Mistaken
#lore-and-universe
gilded mason
distant pagoda
From the Halo 2 scene when Lord hood noticed that there are 15 covenant ships and he said 'Something's not right, the fleet that attacked reach was 50 times the size"
gilded mason
Hood is known to exaggerate
cedar surge
That was hyperbole
distant pagoda
That's how I know
west silo
That is also hyperbole
distant pagoda
15 x 50 = 750
barren ferry
which UNSC ship is the equivalent to the standard ccs class battlecruiser @gilded mason
cedar surge
The SoS did not actullu glass half of Africa
west silo
The infinity?
barren ferry
what
cedar surge
Hood was exaggerating the threat
west silo
Or a an Orion class
gilded mason
which UNSC ship is the equivalent to the standard ccs class battlecruiser <@!260...
Doubt there's gonna be any 1:1 match, but I assume a UNSC cruiser would be closer to a Covenant cruiser
distant pagoda
Hood was exaggerating the threat
Well 750 covenant ships attack Reach
cedar surge
There wasnt
barren ferry
which one though?
cedar surge
That is false
gilded mason
Hell if I know.
barren ferry
you mean the best ships in the UNSC arsenal like the pillar of autumn? @gilded mason
or infinity?
west silo
Yes
distant pagoda
There wasnt
There was actually. If you managed to pay attention to what Lord hood said about 15 ships attacking earth
west silo
The infinity is the unsc best ship
barren ferry
didn't know the covenant outclassed them by that much
cedar surge
It was 315 ships @distant pagoda
gilded mason
I just mean UNSC cruisers in general would be closer to Covenant cruisers than frigates would be.
west silo
That's the point of the series
barren ferry
to the point where the best UNSC ship is equal to the standard covenant cruiser
cedar surge
That was hyperbole @distant pagoda
barren ferry
*covenant
distant pagoda
It was 315 ships <@745286022526533652>
It's true. But more covenant fleets showed up
cedar surge
Only the surrounding area
west silo
Voi?
barren ferry
Although i am talking about the standard ship the UNSC uses for engagements with covenant ones
west silo
Frigates
barren ferry
which is probably the paris class frigate
so yeah the covenant cruiser just stomps the frigate
cedar surge
More covebant fleets didn't show up
First it was the sneak fleet
Then it was a the main attack force
west silo
Where?
cedar surge
Then reach was gone
barren ferry
what exactly do you call those types of battles (like the ones in star wars where star destroyers and dreadnoughts engage each other with starfighters and shit)
cedar surge
Space battle
cedar surge
Battles in space are just space battles
barren ferry
i meant the type of conflict
west silo
Space battles
barren ferry
yeah may as well call it that lance
distant pagoda
More covebant fleets didn't show up
I think they did
barren ferry
i was expecting something like capital ship battles or something lol
distant pagoda
I mean what Lord Hood said in Halo 2 could be cannon
distant pagoda
since he said the fleet that attacked reach was 50 times this size
cedar surge
He was exaggerating
distant pagoda
How can he be esaggerating?
west silo
Because he's hood
cedar surge
He can
gilded mason
Because that is a thing people do
cedar surge
And he has
west silo
Its one his character traits
distant pagoda
Maybe...
west silo
But it was just one city
cedar surge
They just glassed voi and surrounding areas
distant pagoda
Maybe they did glassed South Africa too
gilded mason
Voi...is nowhere near South Africa
west silo
Anyone remembers that time chief took 6 fuel rod shots to the chest
gilded mason
Was that in that bad comic?
distant pagoda
Well If you remember what Rtas said: "One single flood spore can destroy an entire species"
west silo
And just shrugged it off
gilded mason
That doesn't change the fact that half of Africa was not glassed
west silo
Was that in that bad comic?
It was honestly a pretty great read
distant pagoda
Was that in that bad comic?
No it was in the Uprising comic
cedar surge
But why would they glass a location nowhere near voi
west silo
Sure the art got weird
gilded mason
No it was in the Uprising comic
I know. I was talking about Uprising
west silo
And he couldn't understand the brutes for some reason?
distant pagoda
```No it was in the Uprising comic```
I know. I was talking about Uprising
Ah I see
west silo
Why was that again?
distant pagoda
And he couldn't understand the brutes for some reason?
Well because 117 dont know what is the Key of Osnalan
west silo
Ahhh
distant pagoda
Which is fake
west silo
Booooo
cedar surge
@distant pagoda "Hood tends to speak in hyperbolic form, such as when he stated the Fleet of Sacred Consecration was fifty times smaller than the Fleet of Particular Justice, or when Rtas 'Vadum was forced to glass the city of Voi in order to stop the Flood from taking over Earth, where he remarked 'Vadum "glassed half a continent", despite Voi being the only glassed part of Kenya."
west silo
No but really chief took 6 FR shots and us fine
distant pagoda
And he couldn't understand the brutes for some reason?
James Ackerson said about Key of Osnalan on earth which is not real
west silo
But a single jackal is what stops him
cedar surge
No cursing
gilded mason
based jackal
distant pagoda
No cursing
Ik just mad that's all.
Chief could have ended the war by killing Truth
west silo
But then no 3 halo game
west silo
Go on
west silo
Hahaha
distant pagoda
How is the Io station in the beginning of the Halo uprising comic that contacted chief still alive?
west silo
What you mean?
distant pagoda
This station
distant pagoda
west silo
The covenant had bad aim that day
distant pagoda
Well if you remember the Halo 2 terminal when the Io station detected the regret fleet discovering Earth and it was orbiting above the station
west silo
Wasn't that at Mars?
cedar surge
Nah Jupiter
west silo
Talk about lucky
cedar surge
Plus it may have been able to hide itself
west silo
Am pretty sure the ship was right in front of it
And I don't think it had camo
Man bloodlines was wacky
Especially the love plot
distant pagoda
Am pretty sure the ship was right in front of it
Well because of relationship
west silo
I honestly don't know how to feel about it
distant pagoda
I don't understand why the covenant did not destroy the Io station?
cedar surge
Man bloodlines was a wierd introduction to halo
cedar surge
When did it take place?
distant pagoda
When did it take place?
which one?
cedar surge
Bloodlines
west silo
Yeah the triangle
cedar surge
And I think destroying a probe station would alreafy alert the unsc
west silo
And the plot twist was weird
cedar surge
A intelligence station suddenly going down in the Sol system?
west silo
That somehow made him create some world
cedar surge
That's gonna drag some attention
distant pagoda
And I think destroying a probe station would alreafy alert the unsc
I mean Cortana in Halo 2 said that "Probes are en route"
west silo
They seemed pretty surprised in 2
cedar surge
Yea probes going into slipspace
distant pagoda
it's crazy to think that Io station was spared
west silo
But in 2 the covenant come off as less a apocalyptic threat and more like a party's over thing
Especially how they reacted to them finding earth
distant pagoda
In the end of the Halo 2 terminal, we last see regret's fleet orbiting over the station. And I thought station is going to be destroyed
cedar surge
Man playing through odst and seeing dead elites with engineers floatimg over them was sad
distant pagoda
Man playing through odst and seeing dead elites with engineers floatimg over the...
True 😦
cedar surge
Some of them saw the fall of the forerunner empire
distant pagoda
Quick to adjust is cute
west silo
So how did black team get off the installation?
cedar surge
How else
west silo
Wasn't the point that it shot down everything?
cedar surge
Stealing the covenant ship and killing every last covenant
Yup
And they killed the monitor too
distant pagoda
yup
west silo
Yeah
cedar surge
Romeo and dutch?
west silo
It was wack
cedar surge
Or was it dutch and mickey
west silo
It was pretty great
cedar surge
Yea havnt read that yet
Read the fall of reach comics,the rise of Atriox,bloodlines,escalations(sadly) and yea
west silo
Its pretty comedic
cedar surge
Just like alpha nine
west silo
Especially when they were in the reactor
Tho it doesn't explain what's the thing the covenant are looking for in the end
cedar surge
So in odst when I turn on visr there are a bunch of covenant signs
Who is putting them there
And how come I can only see them with visr
west silo
Maybe Virgil?
cedar surge
Nah havnt
west silo
Tho the armor testing and last sunrise in New mombasa aren't my cup of tea
And our boi rtas backstory is pretty great
He basically became Isaac Clark for a day
cedar surge
He was on a support ship during the flood outbreak at 04 right
west silo
Naw he was sent there on a mission
The ship has the best name ever
The infinite succor
cedar surge
Great name
west silo
They knew what they were doing
west silo
A next comic you can read is lone wolf
cedar surge
Its good?
west silo
Yes
And the art style is pretty great
Its follows linda
The story is pretty basic and the ending was pretty much an ad for outpost discovery
But it does make linda show linda being well linda
unique rune
Infinite Succ
cedar surge
If Linda was that mad upon seeing the state reach was in imagine the blind fury Spartan 3s have
And oh that's why
distant pagoda
Naw he was sent there on a mission
That mission even made question
Well when I looking through the comic I noticed that the grunts are using human's assault gun
west silo
If Linda was that mad upon seeing the state reach was in imagine the blind fury ...
Spartan 3s weren't raised on reach
That was onyx
And there homeworlds was already gone
So they were already angry
west silo
Well when I looking through the comic I noticed that the grunts are using human'...
What comic?
distant pagoda
I have never seen a grunt using a human gun in the Halo graphic novel
west silo
Me neither
distant pagoda
The part where Rtas's team investigating the infinite succor ship
distant pagoda
No the spec ops grunts were using human weapons against the flood if you see carefully
terse lava
the various Huragok, Bungie said they are supposed to be stories told in a way the Huragok could understand
also yes you are correct, there are a few panels were unggoy were indeed using human assault rifles
cedar surge
I thinks its more out of disgust
Some jackals would rather fight bare handed than pick up a human weapon
While some brutes gladly use human weapons
versed helm
Some jackals would rather fight bare handed than pick up a human weapon
i think you mean elites here
gilded mason
Nah, jackals, too
west silo
That's surprising
Especially since they were fine trading with humans
Although that was technically a trap set up by truth
gilded mason
Especially since they were fine trading with humans
Remember that not all members of a species have the same personality. Gawsh.
west silo
Looks at elites and brutes
Yep
Also all grunts are comedians according to the games
Or crybabies
gilded mason
Yup!
west silo
I wonder if thrusters will make a return in infinite
After using them allot in 4 and 5 I have become very attached to them
So it would be sad to see them permanently gone
Or maybe it's because my first halo games were 4 reach and 5 which all had flying abilities
stable flower
I'd love to see MC return to the Ark and see his reaction when he realizes what he did at the end of Halo 3 to stop the Flood didn't work xD
patent tree
Ae
slim thorn
Nah, he did able to stop the gravemind
jolly furnace
I wonder how MC would react if he ever learned the Gravemind's true nature and the sheer scope of its role in the shaping of events over the last 110,000 years
versed helm
He'd probably just ready his AR and ask what he has to shoot first
versed helm
Also all grunts are comedians according to the games
Isn't there that Grunt who beat the bejesus out of a S-III? I can't remember that grunt's name
jolly furnace
If only shooting it would actually permanently kill the Gravemind
safe siren
Isn't there that Grunt who beat the bejesus out of a S-III? I can't remember tha...
Stolt?
cedar surge
A grunt enlisted in the SoS under rtas
terse lava
yes, that's Stolt
west silo
So the training bullets in red vs blue are actually canon?
The ones that cast around the area hit and paralyze the area
There mostly used in odst training camp
terse lava
yeah, they took something canon and put it in their series
carmine sleet
Aye. It is important to note that while Red Vs Blue borrows allot of elements of Halo, the series itself is not canon to Halo's lore
cedar surge
AI gods,time travel,alternate universes arntt canon?
carmine sleet
There is no time manipulation armour enhancement that's canon to Halo
west silo
We're joking
cedar surge
So what are the blue stuff the towers on halos fire into space?
west silo
No clue
humble yacht
They don’t fire them into space
west silo
Will probably find out in infinite
They seem to be very important
Well from what little we see from that game anyways
Because giving any little thing from that game that isn't from food snakes and mega construx is hard
jolly furnace
So what are the blue stuff the towers on halos fire into space?
Its probably excess plasma generated from Forerunnery machinery. Some of the towers are signal amplifiers. It depends on the location and purpose for each tower really. They served different functions .
fair hazel
Spartan ops has them do stuff
carmine sleet
Aye, the first of the missions located on Ragnarok, I was replaying it earlier
jolly furnace
On Requiem, the beam emitters are used as stations for delivering navigation data[2] and function as part of the shield world's teleportation grid, featuring teleportation portals that can transport objects to various other parts of the installation.[3]
Around Installation 00's Citadel, three barrier towers featuring beam emitter towers were used to project an energy barrier that surrounded the Citadel.[8] The weather control systems on the Halo rings also feature beam emitters.[9]
fair hazel
And on halo infinite they're used... to deliver hope?
jolly furnace
Who knows?
It may not be important
It could be just there for nostalgia
to capture that HCE feel
I mean how many people actually care or asked what all the beam emitter towers did in Halo games
fair hazel
That one was a joke
west silo
The more I look at infinite it just looks like CE remastered
west silo
I was never really fund of it
jolly furnace
they are trying to capture nostalgia
cos many fans want it back
Even the cover art is similar to CE's
west silo
But but 30 second combat loop!!!!
Or something
I really don't understand that thing
Wasn't it only relevant in CE and that's because it served as a glorified enemy spawn mechanic
jolly furnace
Im sure some of those people used Sprint to save themselves in MP
CE? Sprint wasn't in that
west silo
I know
The argument people use is that sprint breaks halo combat loop by giving you an escape
Which how is that a bad thing?
west silo
Me neither
west silo
It's just something that eventually pops up in every halo YouTube comment
jolly furnace
I wouldn;'t know
west silo
Along with people crying that they want bungie back
As if they don't have there own problems with destiny
west silo
Why do people think the created won't show up in infinite?
jolly furnace
i dunno
they will
by mid way i think
we got 10 years of expansion
so they come in somewhere
west silo
Especially since cortana is already shown
jolly furnace
I don't recall her show
west silo
And even with 343 saying it's a continuation of 5 people still its a reboot
west silo
Basically god of war 4
jolly furnace
Yah
jolly furnace
Its going back to older art style
while keepin 343i touches
and seems to be more open world akin to CE
thats it so far
gameplay wise who knows
jolly furnace
well main story will be linear
west silo
Full on assault
Or a more stealthier way
west silo
That would be cool
jolly furnace
H4's requiem allowed it kinda
west silo
A like choices have consequences thing
But that also leads to more work
On 343 behalf
jolly furnace
U won't get that in plot story
main story won't change based if i go sealth or full on attack
west silo
Save brohammer or let him die
jolly furnace
We won't get that
jolly furnace
Hmm
west silo
Just like will never get a marine type halo game
jolly furnace
Halo isn't like that unless they give us a prequel set way in the past and have details by skecthy in canon
jolly furnace
Just pretend Infinite Warfare is a prequel
west silo
I actually enjoyed that game
jolly furnace
Halo won't do human vs human war cos rating
west silo
T?
jolly furnace
I never play Warfare game so I can't say anything on it
west silo
Oh yeah infinite is T
west silo
Just tone down the blood?
west silo
Isn't games like overwatch T?
jolly furnace
I dunno
jolly furnace
Its not like aliens were we can make bood a different color
cedar surge
Isn't the flood one of the only reasons halo gets a M?
west silo
Are brutes blood red?
jolly furnace
No
cedar surge
Yrs
jolly furnace
depends
west silo
Yes it kinda is
jolly furnace
some games its purplish i think
west silo
Without the flood halo is mild
jolly furnace
But again Brutes are aliens, not humans
west silo
Like there isn't even any dismemberment
jolly furnace
How many people know or care about EU when it comes to the ratings board people
jolly furnace
In general 99 percent of people who decide things like game ratings don't know or care about EU of games
or their content
west silo
I thought you meant care about the expanded lore
jolly furnace
Only whats seen in the games
how much blood and violence
etc
More of those means higher rating
west silo
But aren't all the games in the MMC rated M?
jolly furnace
less of that lower rating
jolly furnace
Yah
west silo
Oh well it doesn't matter we can't do anything
jolly furnace
M rating in 1-3 for flood and blood
M in odst for blood
and human on human violence/killing
west silo
Its either buy the game and its good or buy the game and its bad and 343 goes under
jolly furnace
4 for composer scene
west silo
Man 343 better gets this right
Am excited for it but Jesus it's looking like duke nukem forever all over again
Especially with the radio silence
jolly furnace
On Brute blood - In Halo 2, Jiralhanae blood is a dark shade of blue, while it is red with blue splotches in Halo 3, and is red in Halo: Reach.
Ah yes duke nukem - thats was f up of epic proportions for most
I'm still waiting on Serious Sam ports for this gen and next gen
jolly furnace
I think a new Serious sam is in the works
I dunno
As for DukeNukem... ya
not worth for many from what I saw
jolly furnace
I don't think they will
jolly furnace
I never played it enough to know or recall really
west silo
That was great little feature
Really helped when you wanted to get to an area without walking the whole way
jolly furnace
Yah
west silo
The slide I don't know
jolly furnace
i rarely used slide
west silo
Its seemed really use less in the game because of how short and just useless
It was
And that's coming from someone that's none to abuse sliding in COD
west silo
I just don't see the problem with sprinting
jolly furnace
me either
west silo
Do most halo fans not play games with sprint?
jolly furnace
i dunno
tender knoll
I play CoD a lot
west silo
Nice
west silo
I don't have console now
So am content with COD mobile
To be honest when I first played reach when I learned that you can't sprint without an ability I was shocked
Me and my friend ended up playing the entire game with the sprint ability
Only switching for the jetpack
jolly furnace
i used jetpack alot
I;m gonna head for the night
need sleep
pleasure chattin with ya
nice to have a reasonable discussion with fellow fans about typically contentious topics for games
versed helm
Why do we never see Spartans dual wield assault rifles
fringe robin
I would imagine it's impractical
versed helm
I don’t buy it
At least they do with SMGs. With that kinda RoF, they could drop armies of thralls in seconds
I mean, I wish most the lore wasn’t so boring with their arsenal. They have so much opportunity to use whatever weapon they want, however they want to
And they all just stick with an MA5C :/
cedar surge
Well its the standard
But I have seen some people get angry that some Spartans use stuff like the SMG or the magnum or really anything smaller than a MA5C as their main weapon
Palmer uses 2 magnums
Cake gas her SMG
Locke uses a BR
In escalations a Spartans main wweapon was a railgun
versed helm
I’ve never seen complaints like that.. Unless you’re referring to people being upset with Palmer one-shotting Promethean knights with her pistols. To that, well, fair enough
The more, the merrier for me. Heck, I wouldn’t stop with SMGs and magnums at all. I want to see them use Beam rifles in one arm, and a SPNKr in the other
Things like that, often
west silo
Well practicality I guess
Duel wielding weapons bigger than magnums and smgs would probably come off as silly
versed helm
Outlandish, but not silly for a Spartan. They can make an efficiency with weapons impossible for a Marine or ODSTs. As soon as you have superhuman dexterity, strength, reflexes, accuracy to the degree they have, it opens you up to things that would look bizarre
Ironically, it’s more of a dissonance to not make use of their resourcefulness
versed helm
???
For the context, it’s.. insanely professional lol. Just look at Linda sniping Banshees one-handed, upside down in First Strike
west silo
Then again after playing wolfenstein for a bit there really is no reason besides game balance
versed helm
Exactly. But I feel like the canon underplays what you can do even in gameplay.. a lot
west silo
She did do it with one weapon
Spartans can't run
In gameplay
9 metre falls are insta death
versed helm
I’m aware not everything in canon correlates
west silo
Knee deep water is dangerous to Spartans
versed helm
But it’s often inspiring lore
versed helm
Not all elements. Many “gimmicks” are apart of the real lore
versed helm
Ripping of turrets, flipping vehicles, boarding etc. dual wielding is simply apart of that, as seen in the H2 cover
versed helm
There’s no reason I can imagine that’d stop them pulling off a wolfenstein in the books
Mhm
They’ve lifted heavier things than Scorpions in recent books
west silo
It all depends on a scene in SOR
versed helm
Well, plenty of scenes show that range
Punching a speeding Banshee and forcing it to crash, for example, isn’t something you can do in-game — but it’s still apart of their abilities
That’s arguably better than just flipping over a tank
west silo
Spartans can also regenerate now
cedar surge
Yea a healing factor
Wasn't it john was healing a injury that should have taken a few months?
When the banshee nearly shot his leg off
versed helm
He heals about 10x quicker than someone with bed rest, while still combat-active
versed helm
And all in a day
Hm
west silo
Basically the doctor lady said his injury had healed pretty fast and was shocked when he said just little under a day
versed helm
Well, it’s impressive in long-term engagements for sure
Perhaps even in firefights. Recovering from concussions and such
muted creek
can a normal person mate with a spartan? could it ill them?
humble yacht
😐
craggy sierra
If we say yes are you going to go plague the world with a really bad RP?
muted creek
Cool, i was worried chief would have to settle with a lady brute
cedar surge
Uh
west silo
Elites are better
muted creek
I like the jackals, man halo infinite needs to show them eating dead marines or civilians
humble yacht
They wouldn’t
UNSC would never allow a civilian expedition to something as dangerous as a halo
west silo
Well the earth is pretty much gone
cedar surge
No its under cortana
west silo
So they have to have somewhere to go
cedar surge
As is most of the Orion arm
Plus what?
Cortana isn't kicking off the civilians
That woukd be inefficient
She needs workers
west silo
Am pretty sure almost everyone on earth is dead
humble yacht
Doubt it
cedar surge
I mean yea its gonna have a lot of dead people from the falling ships but
west silo
Can a ODP stay in orbit without power?
west silo
Well that's good news
cedar surge
But for anybody in atmosphere...
west silo
Aren't ODPs way bigger than satellites?
cedar surge
Yes
cedar surge
Man earth is gonna have a lot new lakes
west silo
Man imagine if one of the ship that crashed on earth exploded like the POA
cedar surge
Plus out of every single place for civvies to go why a halo ring
Not to mention the unsc wouldnt have any control over that
west silo
So much for cortana's plan
cedar surge
Since the unsc is only on a fee ships and hidden bases
muted creek
For running experiments on, that why they have civvies
west silo
What?
west silo
Covenant don't experiment on humans
cedar surge
If they need to experiment they use prisoners
west silo
They just kill them
gilded mason
Didn't stop ONI before
cedar surge
That's abdolutly the fastest way to lose any support now
cedar surge
The entirety of the unsc is on a single ship plus some smaller ones
cedar surge
Using civvies in completely unethical experiments(which they can't even do) s the fastest way to lose the last of their support
Yes I noted that
With smaller ones
cedar surge
That was when they were a entire nation
And weren't under the foot of cortana
The unsc don't have any control over any colonies now
Cortana is in complete control
west silo
Wait what are we talking about again?
muted creek
I'm pretty sure the earth government in Halo is tyrannical
west silo
Nah
cedar surge
Point of view
west silo
Its pretty good all things considered
west silo
Unless you live wayyyyy in the outer colonies
cedar surge
Yea In the like 5 left
cedar surge
But yea orange said that the unsc would bring civilians to a halo ring to test on them
Yea like there are no other people to test on
Nothing starring with the word pri
west silo
Why would they even experiment on humanity?
cedar surge
Yup the unsc would start doing that now when they havnt before
To justify having jackals eating dead civvies on a ring
spiral jewel
Is it safe to assume that , at the end of the mission "Assault on the Control Room", Foe hammer picks John up outside the entrance to the Control Room,.... I don't remember if it was ever stated in game or in the novelization "The Flood
cedar surge
Plus bringing random civilians on weapons of mass destruction is just asking for them to be fired
Or unleashing the flood
Or activating a composer
Or all three
west silo
Well depends on if the infinity has refugees
And by infinite everyone evacuates the ship
Onto the ring
cedar surge
I don't think those 10 seconds cortana gave them to run is honna allow for that
west silo
Maybe the rescued civilians from other places
Its takes place like 3 years after 5
Anything can happen
cedar surge
Plus if ONI ever needed to do experiments they already have prisoners and aliens for that
muted creek
Also do you think they are gonna have locke die?
west silo
Yes
cedar surge
That would be the cowards way out
west silo
I don't want him to
cedar surge
But yes
cedar surge
Because killing off a character after them not being received well
west silo
Or a bland player insert?
cedar surge
Because he was boring in his game and took up most of the missions when it didn't look like that in promotion
cedar surge
Yea that would just be a cowards way out. No addressing the issue. Just killing him off
west silo
Like they did to jul
All because people didn't like him in ops
Jesus
Is that how you fix a character?
Just kill them off?
cedar surge
Man if halo 4 didn't receive so much backlash for its story I wonder about the halo 5 plot
And well maybe a "heroic death"
west silo
Dang didn't didact get the same treatment?
humble yacht
It’s widely regarded as the best halo story among the games
humble yacht
Yeah I don’t think that’s the majority opinion
muted creek
I mean like have a bossfight where you kill him, and have chief be like respectful to him as he's dying. Something like taht
cedar surge
Numba company bad praise the God bungie
west silo
You'd be surprised how bad you'll get roasted for saying halo 4 story is good
muted creek
Halo 4 had a badass story
cedar surge
Itss a system
gilded mason
I am lukewarm on H4's story.
west silo
Like Jesus for every person that likes 343 there are hundreds that will roast you alive
cedar surge
The old games get prayed to like gospel. The new one gets trainwrecked
west silo
Yeah
gilded mason
I think it did a pretty bad job actually explaining this new universe the player is now in.
cedar surge
Oh yea Remeber when that guy came here and started nonsensical arguments and called us 343 fanboys wwhen he wasn't willing to admit any of bungies faults?
west silo
It made didact very stereotypical
gilded mason
"A lot can happen in four years." being a fairly emblematic phrase.
west silo
I hate humanity
cedar surge
With his hypeman
west silo
Everyone dies
gilded mason
Since that was all players got for why we were suddenly fighting "The Covenant" again
west silo
Man that's bad
cedar surge
Oh yea I absolutely hate this about post war
west silo
Its literally just happens
cedar surge
How everybody acts as if the covenant is still around
Its covenant remnants
Its one more word
gilded mason
And then the Librarian does a huge infodump cutscene that introduces a bunch of huge concepts players might not be aware of, like humanity suddenly being a peer race to the Forerunners and having a war with them.
cedar surge
You can't take up your issue with the covenant. You can't have prace treaties with them. Its gone
west silo
Especially since the last game was about how you destroyed the covenant
humble yacht
it's not perfect but at least it has actual drama and characterization
west silo
And how the game didn't even mention arbiter
humble yacht
and isn't overly drawn out like H2 or filler like H3
west silo
2 wasn't drawn out
gilded mason
Yeah, I don't see it
west silo
Sure the levels could get a little repetitive
humble yacht
H2 was totally drawn out
muted creek
Halo 2 was not drawn out by any means
humble yacht
totally was
west silo
Especially since you were fighting sentinels and flood most of the time
humble yacht
several levels were just Point A to Point B levels, nothing important happened
west silo
2 has the best story if you ask me
gilded mason
Same
humble yacht
you could fuse several levels together and improve the pacing
muted creek
Halo 2 was the best for story imo, 4 is the second best
west silo
And many things were cut
muted creek
reach wasn't good at all though, i thought it was bad
humble yacht
Is that it was rushed
yeah, which means it has problems
the fact that there is a reason behind the problems doesn't mean the problems don't exist
west silo
Did you know the infamous giving the covenant back there bomb thing was taped on
cedar surge
Crunch time isn't good
west silo
And was supposed to be its own level
cedar surge
Yea it was supposed to be miranda strapping a bomb to chief and kicking him out the airlock right?
west silo
Yep
cedar surge
I'm glad that got cut
humble yacht
that would have been pretty dumb
west silo
They actually think the cutscene was worse than the level
muted creek
I think it was cause her daddy died, and she cried
west silo
Because it was very dumb cool but dumb
cedar surge
Oh yea are we not going to mention that Keyes was alrrady absorbed before chief broke his skull
humble yacht
Miranda's character was better off not being so petty and misinformed
cedar surge
It was mission critical
gilded mason
Yea it was supposed to be miranda strapping a bomb to chief and kicking him out ...
That was for later
west silo
Oh Lord
cedar surge
He had to do it to defend earth
gilded mason
Miranda and Truth would agree to do the bomb thing to kill both John and the Gravemind at the same time
cedar surge
That's one of the last Spartans in existence you fool
I feel like there was another idea for halo 2 on this level
west silo
There probably was
gilded mason
Which level?
cedar surge
The dumb level
west silo
The bomb thing
gilded mason
Ah.
west silo
Man bungie really hated halo as early as 2
gilded mason
Yeah, after he gets strapped up, he gets into a Forerunner tank to drive towards Gravie.
west silo
They just wanted to get it over with
cedar surge
Man its like no one has a good time making halo
west silo
Halo truly is cursed
cedar surge
Cursed halo plug in
west silo
Every halo developer went through hell
gilded mason
Apparently one reason why Jason Jones was so insistent on that bomb thing was that he wanted to see John fight on when he had nothing left, and everything's been taken from him.
cedar surge
Bungie 343 ensamble spartan games
Dang they all went through hell
Wouldnt that be treason for miranda
For trying to kill one of the "last" Spartans in existence?
west silo
Its ironic that bungies pet project that they actually wanted to do
Nearly ended up crashing and burning
On it's launch at that
muted creek
I also wonder how their gonna handle the whole cortana story they made, it's gonna be hard to turn that into something intresting
west silo
It's can go three ways
1 Crash and burn probably needing a reboot in the far future
2 We can get past it
3 it actually leaves a very emotional story
1 and 2 are the most likely outcomes sadly
cedar surge
Infinite story might slam on its face
west silo
It's not that I don't have hope in 343
Its just that infinite barely shows us anything
muted creek
I think they could do something really intresting, it's gonna have to big though, believe me
west silo
343 has that game under a basement at this point
cedar surge
Infinite got two teasers,1 gameplay trailer, a gamppau showcase
All other information came from toys or food
west silo
Yes
cedar surge
Nah its under cement
cedar surge
I don't like AI in 4 and 5
cedar surge
They look so physical and not holograms
humble yacht
this is the lore channel,
west silo
Halo has some neat lore
cedar surge
So the keepers at reach weren't all the keepers right
west silo
Yes?
west silo
There keepers
cedar surge
Several clans at reach?
humble yacht
yes
cedar surge
Wasn't it 3?
humble yacht
there were 3 dokabs at that meeting
muted creek
I also wanna see johnson one last time in this game
humble yacht
that ain't happening
muted creek
as a flashback or someting
humble yacht
He's alive in spirit, more like
west silo
At least in the records
cedar surge
Wgen he compared the new generations in SoR to new Miranda or new johnson
He compared chapov to them
Chief only 41 though
I wonder how long a human can live by then
west silo
What?
cedar surge
Huh?
humble yacht
don't worry about it
muted creek
Oh yeah, chief is like 50 right, but his body is like early 30's. it would be cool to have him see the difference in age from sleeping in the freezer
cedar surge
He is his 40s
muted creek
How old is his body though, the freezer delays aging
cedar surge
But he has been in cryo for long stretches
humble yacht
not that long
cedar surge
For example look at cuttee
Well he been in cryo once for 4 years
But other times its likely days or weeks
humble yacht
i think you could add up all the other times he spent in cryo and it wouldn't be anywhere close to 4 years
could probably round it up to 5-6 years total spent in cryo
that's being generous
west silo
Wouldn't that mean everyone in halo is older than they look?
humble yacht
maybe
west silo
Because almost everyone spends time in cryo
west silo
Plus I don't think anyone goes years in cryo
muted creek
I don't think anyone can just go into cryo, they would get freezer burn unless protected like chief
humble yacht
I don't think anyone can just go into cryo, they would get freezer burn unless p...
lol, no
gilded mason
You're actually supposed to go in naked usually
gilded mason
True, true
muted creek
also i would like to see female convenant species, I don't think we have ever seen them
gilded mason
We've probably seen plenty female grunts and jackals.
cedar surge
We've seen them in the books
I think vale talked about them in 5 too
Weren't they also in 5?
gilded mason
Nope, only voice, no visual
Though of course, based on descriptions, Elites have no real outward differences between male and female
humble yacht
humans simply may not be able to see the dimorphism
gilded mason
Well, yeah. It'd be a bit odd if even Elites themselves wouldn't be able to know
west silo
We saw a female in legends
humble yacht
legends was stylized
west silo
And one in shadow of intent
humble yacht
probably not an accurate representation of elites in general
gilded mason
Indeed
gilded mason
Tul 'Juran?
west silo
Yeah
muted creek
I would imagine a female elite would look kind of like an ape, the other aliens might look the same or reproduce in some other
gilded mason
I would imagine a female elite would look kind of like an ape
Not sure what you mean there
muted creek
I'm sorry i meant a brute
west silo
Well we have never seen a female brute
humble yacht
there's no reptile that looks like an ape
gilded mason
He already clarified
humble yacht
brutes are more ursine than apeish
muted creek
or grunt babies, they gotta be cute
west silo
Nah
west silo
I like the brutes that actually wear armor
gilded mason
Not the drawing
west silo
You know make them out to be more than space monkeys
gilded mason
Ah, here it is.
https://www.halopedia.org/images/5/55/MMO_Brutes.jpg
west silo
Because boy are the brutes just less hairy wookies
gilded mason
Looks more alien than simply "space ape"
west silo
They look like there heading to a festival and less a warzone
humble yacht
space ape
... spape
west silo
That sounds adorable
So what tech level were the San shyuum before they left there homeworld?
west silo
What's tech 3 and 4 again?
versed helm
I’ve noticed how comical trends, or factoids, about certain Lore abilities don’t translate into any grounded substance in Halo and other franchises
Things you see people do in comics are not really what they’re able to do
how many spartans were active from CE to 3? how many more/less since?
Depending on the person and context
Uhm
for the longest time i thought 117 was the only one
Idk
Would be amusing of an idea, but nah
humble yacht
for the longest time i thought 117 was the only one
That’s because Bungie wanted you to think that
versed helm
oh, sorry for interrupting
on the kardashev scale, 4 means having the resources of a whole planet; 3 is a star; 2 is the solar system; 1 is the whole galaxy
i don't think halo lore uses that one though
gilded mason
Yeah, Halo uses a different scale
versed helm
oh wait thats wrong
type 1 has a planet's worth of resources; type 2 is the solar system; type 3 is the galaxy
Chief being the only spartan has some decent weight to it. If it weren’t for the strongly established lore, I would’ve liked to have explored that a little
It’s a little too typical for franchises to branch off away from blanketing statements that come from the source material. Often, not in a good way because it’s so predictable
cedar surge
Calling every single Spartan to reach from every battlefield doesn't seem like such a good idea
Though yea
I think there are more alive Spartan twos than the ammount that actually survived the procedure
cedar surge
Has he ever really been overrated in the first place?
last anchor
Its more fun to solve problems by yeeting supersoldiers at it too
versed helm
yes
“The Last Spartan” idea is a bit like the Jedi purge in Star Wars. It loses dramatic tension a little when you find out Obi and Yoda weren’t the only surviving Jedi. And the longer the lore builds, the more Jedi survivors there are written in which thins the emotion dry
i liked tlj
I.. alright
misread a little
Mm
Lol
cedar surge
I think only like 100 Jedi actually survived the purge out of thousands
versed helm
what's the current state of humanity in halo?
cedar surge
Enslaved under cortana
versed helm
after 3 i got the impression it's just hanging on
but looking at the lore since it's like they were just injured a little
gilded mason
after 3 i got the impression it's *just* hanging on
You'd be correct before 343.
cedar surge
somehow
versed helm
Still.. 100 out of thousands isn’t as mythology-inspiring as a legacy for the suvivors as “literally two Jedi left”
I thought the Infinity was all that was left and that they were stranded on Requiem
cedar surge
No
Humanity has a few dozen planets left
Compared to the thousands of colonies the covenant left behind
So yea
If anyone really focused on them they could wipe em out
Home fleet got wiped out twice for dramatic tension
And pretty much all colony locations are know
So sometimes it bounces from a utopia to a police state depending on the colony
ocean ibex
Technically you’re correct, all of humanity’s colonies are under created control
versed helm
am I right to think humanity's tech is overall quite stagnant considering almost 600 years of advancements?
gilded mason
Eh, it varies
cedar surge
I mean
gilded mason
Some stuff is similar, some is amazingly advanced
cedar surge
Guns would still be effective
Like the unsc navy is very advamced
And so has the medical industry
ocean ibex
Humanity had no need to advance their ground weapons and vehicles
ocean ibex
They still use the same tanks and armored vehicles from 300 years prior
cedar surge
If it works don't fix it
muted creek
So is the human government prejudice, like i would imagine most humans hate the aliens. Do they even allow aliens to visit?
ocean ibex
They had no need to design new weapons during their 300 years of peace
versed helm
i'm not sure those 300 years were very peaceful
cedar surge
There have been a bunch of new designs
versed helm
werent there plenty of rebellions?
ocean ibex
Yes, there are many sangheili refugee centers in Rio De Janeiro
west silo
They were pretty peace
ocean ibex
However they’re not official UEG citizens
cedar surge
Yea it was a golden age
versed helm
on the subject of sangheili, why are there never female versions of the aliens?
west silo
The innies thing is actually really resent
cedar surge
There are@versed helm
versed helm
as an alien fan myself I'm fine with a few asexuals, but not all of them
gilded mason
Yes, there are many sangheili refugee centers in Rio De Janeiro```
Which is kinda odd to me. Not regarding humans allowing Elites to stay there, but...why would Elites go to some human dump to stay rather than a more peaceful Elite-centric colony?Because halo doesn't focus on them?
versed helm
@gilded mason through wanting to improve relations?
muted creek
After the war, the sangheli are pretty cool and sided with humans, but the rest of them tried to commit universal suicide
versed helm
understand their new allies?
cedar surge
Not all sanghelli sided with the humans