How to survive the flood you ask?
#lore-and-universe
teal echo
what is a sentinel?
barren ferry
Dude
You're a halo fan
How do you not know what a sentinel is
When they have been in literally every halo game that isn't reach
teal echo
I have not actually played Halo I wish I could đŚ
my dad says I have to be 16 to play it
barren ferry
They're the flying machines that shoot beams of gold or blue plasma
teal echo
cool!
barren ferry
That reside in forerunner structures
teal echo
I'll keep that in mind
teal echo
wow
teal echo
he's not on anything
lol
đŚ
I wish I could play it
but I might as well learn everything about it!
sigh
cedar surge
Halopedia,installation 00,and halo canon are great places to learn the lore
teal echo
thanks!
cedar surge
Last two are YouTube channels btw
gilded mason
Hm. I'd say maybe skip Installation 00
teal echo
why?
gilded mason
Last I remember of them, they sometimes plagarize Halopedia, and throw in their own theories about things that don't seem logical to me.
west silo
Like his scale video?
teal echo
scale video?
gilded mason
And that one video saying that Halsey had the Librarian's geas
teal echo
I might have seen that
west silo
Yeah that obviously fanon
teal echo
well I gtg
west silo
Ok good night then
stable flower
Infinity looks huge af in Halo 4's Infinity level
west silo
Well it is
It's like 5km
Something crazier?
The keyship is 14km
And it's looks tiny in 3
west silo
How did I forget that one
cedar surge
CSO from reach is 29km
main hill
Sentinels are broken in the books
They could fight whole covenant fleets, combine to have more firepower, and theyâre shields are nearly impenetrable except for slow moving projectiles,
They are like droidekas on steroids.
At least thatâs how they are shown in Ghosts of Onyx
gilded mason
Onyx Sentinels are a different type from the usual sentinels, yeah
craggy roost
Monitors have powerful shields too
humble yacht
Do you think the slipspace event that formed under the Composer was for transporting the composed souls to the Abyss?
fringe robin
anyone know what these are? Saw them on Spartan Ops https://s3.amazonaws.com/aegisfate/đŹâŞď¸đ˝đżđŠ.jpg
stable flower
They look like little miniature particle cannons
fringe robin
yeah, it's strange. They were constantly flying overhead during the mission
west silo
I will forever find it fun that the pilots of those pelicans decided it was a good idea to fly straight into the line of fire of the particle gun in 4
warm ridge
Has it ever been described what the Flood's skin actually feels like?
@west silo Del Rio kinda ordered them to, and Lasky told them to get out the line of sight.
If you think that's dumb, look at Halo 3 where you see multiple Pelicans flying directly towards anti-air wraiths..with Chief on them.
@humble yacht From what we know, yes. In fact the Infinity found Requiem because the digitized souls from when they were experimenting on the Composer lead them directly to Requiem. Why? No idea.
warm ridge
actually they did. They found a signal from installation 03 that pointed them there.
The distress beacon was found afterwards, but that isn't what got the Infinity to go there.
https://www.halopedia.org/Composer
under Installation 03
Some of the scientists were digitized by the Composer while studying it and the sensor data from the incident contained coordinates that led Infinity to Requiem
warm ridge
Everyone kinda did. They knew it digitized people into intelligences, they just didn't know what they were for, or how they were created.
Doctor Halsey being one of the scientist who was quite interested in it because the way the Composer extracted said intelligences was remarkably similar to her own, but the Composer was/is far more efficient at doing it.
west silo
Yeah turning people into screaming mad men is really efficient
humble yacht
https://www.halopedia.org/Composer
under Installation 03
*Some of the scientists...
That doesnât make sense because the Abyss wasnât on requiem. I donât think requiem had any connection to the composer.
humble yacht
Why tho
humble yacht
Dumb mystery
west silo
It was on one of the terminal logs on the station in 4
I listened it on halo canon latest video
warm ridge
That doesnât make sense because the Abyss wasnât on requiem. I donât think requi...
Some of the resulting digital intelligences survived, having been transported into the Composer's Abyss on Installation 03, and later to Requiem via a slipspace transit portal connected to the Composer.
Yes, the Composer has no connection to Requiem, only the Abyss itself does. This is also under i03 on the Halopedia article, the very end of it.
@west silo above
west silo
So the composer was putting them in shells on requiem?
dense falcon
Are ODST drop pods recyclable?
cedar surge
In odst there was emergency explosives
So was in 2
But sometimes they also just open up
craggy sierra
I feel like ODSTs as a concept make less sense the more you think about them.
main hill
I will never understand why the UNSC never upgraded the troop carrying capacity of the Falcon or why they never used the Falcon more
It wouldâve saved them a lot
Like I get Pelicans are a thing, but I feel like itâs a bit overkill when you use them for EVERYTHING.
Like why waste a whole as C-130 size plane when you could arguably accomplish the same goal with a smaller, more cost effective vehicle
warm ridge
@west silo I believe the ability to create Prometheans can be done everywhere at any Forerunner building area (see Warden Eternal), but the last time the Composer was actually used had it being pinpointed towards Requiem by the Ur-Didact, so that's where they all went.
junior dome
Is the Didact gone forever
warm ridge
No.
west silo
Like I get Pelicans are a thing, but I feel like itâs a bit overkill when you us...
Answer?
Because it's cool
And the unsc is rich
junior dome
How can the Didact come back
main hill
@west silo but like, if the UNSC was rich the Orion Project probably wouldâve been chosen over the Spartan 2 project
warm ridge
Like why waste a whole as C-130 size plane when you could arguably accomplish th...
They technically do both. Pelicans are required for the more heavy lifting operations, while smaller vehicles are used for others.
1 Falcon can't carry a squad of Marines for example. 2 Falcons could barely carry the entirity of Noble team, and that was 6 guys.
junior dome
Digital ghost?
west silo
He's been composed
west silo
And is in the domain now because he's special!!!!
Well it's your soul esentally getting digitized
So yeah digital ghost
junior dome
Will he become a Promethean
west silo
<@729563068073508875> but like, if the UNSC was rich the Orion Project probably ...
No the casualties were too high
And the soliders weren't worth the deaths to make them
warm ridge
So how's he a ghost
Technically all we know about the Ur-Didact is that he was supposedly composed even though the lead Halo 4 writer had decided against that. Whether or not he actually is, is up to debate, but so far no future lore has been said about the Ur-Didact beyond concept art we got for Halo 5 that showed a fractured version of himself with missing pieces.
west silo
Its why they went with the Spartan 2s they were worth the deaths
main hill
@warm ridge see but the thing about that is that something like the Huey, which is only longer length because of its tail rotor was and is only slightly higher carries 14 troops, They wouldnât have to do much to the Falcon to be able to carry almost as much as the Pelican and it wouldnât have costed as much
junior dome
I thought the Didact was composed in a comic
west silo
Technically all we know about the Ur-Didact is that he was supposedly composed e...
Actually he's last mentioned in the halo coloring book
warm ridge
Its why they went with the Spartan 2s they were worth the deaths
Actually the Orion project had been canned/cancelled a long time ago, long before the S-II project was even considered. The Orion Project wasn't even started by the UNSC.
west silo
That's how he's in the domain
junior dome
Halo Coloring book???
warm ridge
I thought the Didact was composed in a comic
Supposedly, but again no further lore has really been made out about him so far. That's just what we assume.
west silo
Yes
junior dome
@west silo I refuse to believe that
west silo
No its outright stated
cinder sluice
Yea
craggy sierra
Adult colouring books are a thing
junior dome
That's cool, a character like the Didact should not have his story concluding in a coloring book
warm ridge
@junior dome
Sometime after his defeat by John, the Didact was imprisoned in the Domain, reflecting on memories of his wife.
west silo
Would you believe there is a halo version of RISK ?
cinder sluice
Yes
west silo
Yep that's it
cinder sluice
And monopoly i think
main hill
Iâve heard of it
west silo
Yeah
craggy sierra
It wasnât concluded in that, it was concluded in the comic.
cinder sluice
Not monopolly
west silo
The comic just had John saying he thinks he's still a threat
With by all means he should just believe hes dead
Because there's no way the didact could have got out of that
craggy sierra
I could see didact being the harbinger in Infinite
junior dome
Bruh
west silo
The banished do hate humanity
craggy sierra
Motivation wise it tracks.
junior dome
Is the Didact and Cortana in the Domain?
west silo
Even funnier
craggy sierra
Composerâs abyss is not the domain but is kinda similar or something, I donât know, itâs complicated.
west silo
The didact voice actor also voiced a villian named harbinger
junior dome
Oof
west silo
Its all coming together
junior dome
What does the Halo 4 medal "The Ancient One" reference?
junior dome
You get it in Flood matches
west silo
Then the gravemind
junior dome
The Primordial
craggy sierra
But anyways yeah, Didact has a hate on for humanity in particular and might have knowledge and tech kicking around to supersede Cortana so the Banished could view him as their fix all solution.
junior dome
I'm about to start Primordium
cinder sluice
I like it
cinder sluice
Yes i agree
junior dome
So like Cryptum
west silo
So like Cryptum
Naw the stuff in cryptum actually mattered
Basically half the stuff they look at is just filler
junior dome
Ok
west silo
Like looking at a really far mountain
Going to said mountain
Sleeping there
And leave
Without actually saying why they went there
junior dome
Does it take place right after Cryptum
west silo
Yes
junior dome
I remember Cryptum ended after you met the librarian
west silo
Like right after the ring shows up
Bornsteller leaving his family is pretty sad
Then your immediately hit with the he never saw them alive and free again
thorny wren
This is my home
barren ferry
tbh i dont get how people dont know how elites don't get infected by flood spores
its mainly the energy shields.
From what i've heard, they dont let in anything larger than oxygen molecules
and flood spores are far bigger (they're like the size of a human fingernail)
carmine sleet
@obsidian thistle Hey, just as a heads up, OrganicVegan posted a link which shows footage of animal cruelty
small moat
^ yeah seriously, dont click on that
unique rune
What a strange decision to try and push that here.
simple locust
Nihilists are coming
acoustic dock
@barren ferry yeah the energy shield keep spores out
slim thorn
Even when Chief and the Arbiter are captured, they are not infected.
west silo
Well chief is pretty obvious
His armor is sealed and he can breathe in space spoo yeah no spores
The arbiter on the other hand has energy shields
Then again energy shields cease to exist in cutscenes soo who knows
fair hazel
Yay we can now talk about shadows of reach here
cedar surge
So cortana didn't have any reason to check the old military capital of humanity for unsc?
I mean its pretty close to earth
cedar surge
Well she can't?
gilded mason
She can still go the long way.
fair hazel
She's got stuff to handle
gilded mason
Too bad she can only do one thing at a time, and doesn't have other AI to help.
slim thorn
Although I wondered where is that hunk knight eternal at?
Isn't he supposed to be commanding the units in lieu of Cortana?
ashen onyx
wheres mendicant bias in halo 3?
gilded mason
Around
fair hazel
I think managing the known galaxy and dealing with it is big thing
gilded mason
If only we knew what that entailed
And to be honest, securing the Ark is a bit of a notable thing
ashen onyx
you know
if the forerunners like
built a ring around floods home planet if they even had any
wouldnt like
fair hazel
Flood home planet..?
gilded mason
The Flood has no home planet
gilded mason
And by the time the Forerunners got their stuff together, they had already spread massively across the galaxy
ashen onyx
o h
kinda sucks that halo infinite will be the last halo
well i think its the last halo? from what i heard it is
gilded mason
It will not be the last Halo, no
Not sure where you heard that
Perhaps you heard that it will be the homebase for Halo content for the next 10 years and got confused.
ashen onyx
okay thank you for telling me
west silo
Wait a minute do guardians use the same type of FTL as forerunners ships?
With the crystals
gilded mason
Would be logical to assume so
west silo
Wouldn't that mean cortana could just go to the ark like when ever
gilded mason
Probably.
ashen onyx
didnt a ring or the ark blow up
west silo
No
gilded mason
But she didn't. Why? Because _________
fair hazel
It had a bunch of scientists and stuff
gilded mason
Well, Cortana is no match for them
ashen onyx
i wonder where cortana went after halo 5
slim thorn
and Warden Eternal was nowhere to be seen
fair hazel
just prioritizing things I suppose, deal with active threats, then expand and manage i suppose
fair hazel
not everything
gilded mason
Too bad she literally is all alone and doesn't have an army of AI to help relieve the burden.
slim thorn
Not to mention that S-II's most important codes are compromised
ashen onyx
cant cortana like multiply herself if chief had her chip randomly
cedar surge
I mean at the end of 5 she had thousands of smart AI pledging alliegence
west silo
Plus wouldn't it be smarter to have the ark on lockdown?
slim thorn
The Ark doesn't have that feature since the Monitor is also destroyed
west silo
Because you know it produces the galaxy killing weapons?
slim thorn
Unless it was a Shield World
ashen onyx
wait the oracle died
gilded mason
Yeah, that's what I was referencing with my joke, if you were responding to me.
fair hazel
She still has work herself to do
west silo
Yeah it was kinda hard to miss
slim thorn
Also, the Installation 00 has already construct Installation 10
fair hazel
I dont think cortana would assume that the scientists would come in and try to do something with a halo like that
there's no 10
west silo
What that prohibited
slim thorn
There's no 10, but The Ark already construct it
And it's on progress since Anders statement is clear about the Halo rings.
If the rings breakdown, the replacement will be ready.
Unless The Ark's protocol triggers it when the ring breaks down.
west silo
Well when a ring is destroyed the ring creates a new one
fair hazel
No, the ark did not construct a 10
fair hazel
Static Carrilion took it somehwere
slim thorn
Isn't because when the 07 got heavily damaged was enough to trigger the Ark to begin constructing Installation 10?
ashen onyx
what about zeta halo what happened to zeta halo
slim thorn
Zeta Halo was 07
west silo
Its here
ashen onyx
oh
fair hazel
Nothhing confirms that valjyrious
west silo
No
fair hazel
zeta is halo infinite..
slim thorn
I need to take a look at the protocol to establish the Halo Rings
west silo
The ark didn't create a replacement for zeta
ashen onyx
was it announced or did u just get it from haloxperia
slim thorn
Since there are some protocols that needs a verification about it
west silo
They just cut zeta down a few km
fair hazel
it's hiddenxperia not halo xperia
and it's been hinted at and confirmed later on
Zeta halo's been through worse to be honest
west silo
And a lot of ghosts
fair hazel
how, chakas/guilty spark/spark is an old friend
familiar, been through a lot yet still there
west silo
Friend is a strong word
cedar surge
Spark/spark?
fair hazel
why
slim thorn
Is it also the prison for Precusors?
fair hazel
Guilty spark/spark
cedar surge
Chakas last name is spark?
fair hazel
no........
west silo
Most people hate spark
slim thorn
Chakas is the lord of admirals isn't it?
west silo
No chakas is his real name
No
Chakas was a normal human
That was with bornsteller and didact on there crazy adventure
He was injured by the flood then composed to save his life
fair hazel
Bornstellar.
west silo
Yeah
He's was then put in a monitor body and had his memories sealed
Until a Spartan laser unlocked it for him
fair hazel
And, the people who dont like him, pretty sure they haven't seen his journey
those who have been on the journey tend to liek him i think
west silo
Well yeah
fair hazel
so like, yeah, like an old friend
west silo
He's pretty much the Darth maul of halo
fair hazel
um no?
west silo
Yeah he's kinda was
Hes was evil in the first game then disappeared
Was pretty neutral in the second
And evil again in the third
gilded mason
And in 3, he killed somebody simply because he'd destroy an object
fair hazel
the flood is not an easy problem
fair hazel
uh, no he didn't
west silo
But he kept them contained for 1000s of years
Spark just decided that genocide is the way to go
He could have just constructed a quarantine wall
Or throw the infected chunk into space
fair hazel
The forerunners decided protocol be fire the rings
did you not see how virulent the flood had become?
No wall that fast
west silo
So the forerunners were idiots?
fair hazel
Throw the infected chunk to space? The flood is already virulent and you just have them escape pretty much
doesn't solve things
west silo
Oh no the small house is infected but I can stop the spread right now with this gun ?
Nope lets just kill allll the species in a 25 ly radis
fair hazel
2401 became pretty much lazy? and let the flood escape
the flood is not to be underestimated
west silo
And he contained them well
fair hazel
No he didn't contain them well
west silo
And probably would have continued to forever
fair hazel
Uh no
west silo
You sure ?
fair hazel
Uh yeah, considering falling into the flood's hands is far from him containing the flood
west silo
Because it's the elites that deactivated the containment field
west silo
Well unlike spark who nearly doomed the galaxy in 3 days?
Either way the galaxy was pretty much doomed if spark won
west silo
Question?
west silo
How could that have been the standard protocol
If there were no humans on the ring!!!!
How would they fire it
They need a reclaimer
Which for some reason they are missing
fair hazel
Cortana believed guilty spark to have a probable way of activating the ring regardless
which is why they went out to destroy the phase pulse generators
west silo
Spark needed a human
fair hazel
the objective of two betrayls
west silo
And he wasted his time with a marine when he could have done it him self
The library?
Yeah spark is either as lazy as the other monitor or really stupid
fair hazel
Or activating it via alternate ways would take way more time.
Do you now realize the virulence of the flood?
How dangerous they are?
All the instances of containment were pretty much "Blow it up"
west silo
How long could that have taken?
fair hazel
The support ship?
Blow it up
Truth and reconilication? blow and crash
mona lisa? blow up
terse lava
you also forget spark by the time of CE was a nut job not thinking clearly
fair hazel
The halo? Blow up
west silo
If its the "standard protocol" shouldn't it be faster?
Why make it take longer
Especially when it would need something they don't have
A reclaimer
Who just so happens to not be around
fair hazel
Trying to make sense of what you said
terse lava
honestly the better question would be why spark didn't just get help from the Covenant on alpha halo.
west silo
Better question?
fair hazel
That covenant AI was, pretty incoherent to him
terse lava
indeed, they had the tech and numbers to cleanse the flood if spark had given them guidance and help with sentienls
west silo
Who he basically just invited
terse lava
thats the thing, he asked a covenant AI, rather then a member of the Covenant themselves
west silo
Its funny to think if he had just talked to an elite things would have been different
An Holy object basically asking for help
terse lava
I assume the human presence on the ship prevented spark from wiping out the Covenant fleet. Or, far more likely, they actually had proper protocols in their religious texts to keep themselves safe
hell, had he just contacted Thel and Stewardship, they likely would have united rather then Steward doing his own thing
fair hazel
In less than a day of the flood's release, the covenant infected a covenant capital ship.
west silo
The covenant infected the covenant?
fair hazel
Yes..?
west silo
Oh yeah weren't there a bunch of crazy covenant that believed the flood were Holy?
terse lava
.....?
fair hazel
You guys are very much speaking 3rd person omniscient like
terse lava
the Covenant infected...a covenant capital ship? what?
fair hazel
terse lava
The Infinite Succor was infected by the flood....human infected flood
I don't understand where you got that original sentence from
fair hazel
Oh, I just re-read The flood infected a covenant capital ship
fair hazel
accidentally typed covenant instead of flood.
terse lava
think that was mostly just a mod thing
terse lava
anyway, yes the flood infected 2 ships in the fleet, but overall didn't appear to be getting any headway
west silo
Well that alone is pretty dangerous
fair hazel
thanks to the heroic deeds of certain people who've managed to sacrifice, the virulent spread of the flood was halted
west silo
Although the incorruptible was more the crew being idiots
terse lava
well we see both at alpha and delta halo, the Sangheili took the flood outbreak pretty seruously
the crew? it was only the shipmaster
west silo
The crew kinda were insane for going with it
fair hazel
High charity was under the gravemind's contorl
terse lava
they clearly didnt' agree with the shipmaster
west silo
That was kinda too late
terse lava
and there had no mention of them actually going through with his order
yea, High Charity fell more or less thanks to the in amber clad
fair hazel
had it not been for the events that lead to the ark, the flood would have infected the galaxy then and there.
west silo
The HC thing is actually Mirandas fault
fair hazel
Uh, it is likely that the flood would have infected with another ship.
fair hazel
No, they had more than a single pelican.
west silo
Plus didn't flood pull a regret?
And FTL into high charity with a human ship
Really shows how smart they are
terse lava
every known flood outbreak pretty much has been humanity making it worse somehow
rather annoying to be honest. While the Covenant originally released the flood on alpha halo, it was thanks to Keyes it got so bad. Same with delta, humans had already made it through the QZ shields at some point, and later left the frigate over a battlefield teeming with flood
west silo
It was also humans that were going to bring the floood directly to earth
Along with a covenant ship that might have a tracker on it
cedar surge
If Miranda didn't park the frigate so close may be the Flood never would have gotten on
west silo
Who knows they might have been able to get to a covenant ship
Then again the covenant aren't as dumb as Miranda
cedar surge
*a keyes
west silo
I am really curious how the halo TV series is going to handle her
There are many ways this could go wrong
terse lava
eh the Covenant appeared to be smart enough to use only dropships at delta halo. Only one we see go groundside was jiraalhanae controlled. as for the TV series, likely not much will be similar with what we already know of her
west silo
Nah they already changed her backstory
And are making her seem like a main recurring character
Especially with how here struggling relationships with her parents are adding to the story
terse lava
starting to make me actually be glad she dies in 3
cedar surge
Cause of her decisions?
west silo
Here character is just there
Man she really likes going to dangerous places alone a lot doesn't she?
terse lava
well 3 does portray her as the character that's going to get axed
versed helm
The Keyes family is cursed
terse lava
maybe an ancient human Keyes ancestor was the first one responsible for eating an infected Pheru
versed helm
Long family blood line lol
junior dome
Bruh moment
slim thorn
To make matter worse is John could witness every single of the Keyes family's demise.
To make it more interesting, Johnson also serves Keyes family.
cedar surge
Serves?
distant pagoda
what do you mean "serves"
terse lava
Knew someone would look at that the wrong way, saw that coming 20 miles away.
fervent glade
Chief is older than Miranda
Also why is implied throughout cannon that the average Covenant soldier is inferior to the average UNSC Soldier? I understand that grunt's and even jackal's are not much better but they even imply that elites and brutes are not that good. In what universe is the average marine better than an elite?
cedar surge
How is it ever been made that elites or brutes are worse than a normal soldier?
distant pagoda
Well it's obvious, they are very strong
cedar surge
A fully equipped soldier is equal to a brute or marine
distant pagoda
Because they had the strength power same as the spartans
distant pagoda
Yea. that's correct. In melee
fervent glade
elites dont have modifications
slim thorn
Serves?
Sorry. I mean Johnson also serving Keyes family as well. He's Keyes squad leader escort while for Miranda, he's the second-in-command or the field commander.
distant pagoda
the Halo 2 brutes are almost a nightmare cause they take a butt ton of plasma shots and bullets
fervent glade
they said elites can be a little stronger than spartan 2s
barren ferry
What spartans are superior in is experience, which is why anything short of a Zealot, or Ultra usually gets destroyed by a Spartan in a fight
slim thorn
Brutes are basically barbaric and they have more power than the elites.
distant pagoda
not to mention that Halo 2 brutes take 5 shots in the head
fervent glade
I dont think thats accurate
barren ferry
The other two though can hold their own and even win against a spartan
slim thorn
If you can't pop its helmet off, ye.
distant pagoda
Yep
cedar surge
gameplay doesn't equal canon
fervent glade
I think gameplay and cannon are two different things
cedar surge
Yes
fervent glade
gameplay is the general idea
barren ferry
That's why I'm making my campaigns lore accurate lmao @fervent glade
slim thorn
I feel sorry for John though
barren ferry
Via assembly
cedar surge
In lore a few plasma shots or one would kill you
slim thorn
Since he could be the only one that can witness the demise of the Keyes family.
barren ferry
Long story short, keep human weapons the same
Buff plasma weapons to the point human weapons are useless
fervent glade
@barren ferry making a mod?
distant pagoda
I wonder why the brutes's shields in Halo 3 just disappear once you destroy it
cedar surge
A single needle could put you out of the battle
barren ferry
Kind of, just modifying things in assembly
slim thorn
A single needle could put you out of the battle
I think that happens on Daisy-023 isn't it?
barren ferry
For example, I made marines get one shotted by plasma rifle
cedar surge
Also no shields in lore are weaker
barren ferry
Do ODSTs get one shotted by plasma rifles too?
distant pagoda
yes no shields makes you vulnerable
fervent glade
no
cedar surge
Yes
slim thorn
Depends on where they got hit
cedar surge
If it hits the torso you die
fervent glade
Their armor can survive a chieftan hammer swing
cedar surge
Anywhere else gets blown off
slim thorn
An ODST was alive after being skewered by a Spiker
barren ferry
HHAAHAHAHHAAHAA no @fervent glade
slim thorn
To the point where some ODST members must bring a buzzsaw
barren ferry
ODST armor is good, but not THAT good.
fervent glade
it was a cutscene
barren ferry
Not even spartan armor is that good.
fervent glade
a stupid one
cedar surge
That chieftain hit the floor not Romeo@fervent glade
distant pagoda
Question: I wonder where did the needle rifle go after Halo reach?
slim thorn
Romeo was impacted by the shockwave
fervent glade
that level makes the covenant seem so pathetic
cedar surge
What level
fervent glade
NMPD HQ
barren ferry
I made the discount lightsaber do 700 damage per swing @cedar surge
distant pagoda
What level
That needle rifle NMPD HQ
fervent glade
with the chieftan
slim thorn
Romeo did dodge in time though
cedar surge
That chieftan didn't directly hit Romeo
barren ferry
Which caused me to die twice when I accidentally made a Sangheili berserk
slim thorn
If Dutch didn't raise his guard, the Chieftain might be dead
cedar surge
Romeo got hit by the shockwave
fervent glade
that brute literally crushed an ODST and he didn't recieve any damage
distant pagoda
Which caused me to die twice when I accidentally made a Sangheili berserk
Berserk sangheili?
cedar surge
Crushed?
fervent glade
yeah
barren ferry
As in when they pull out the discount lightsaber
fervent glade
Fell on him
cedar surge
That wouldn't crush him
slim thorn
Oh, you mean when Buck kills it?
fervent glade
they weigh over 1,000 pounds
cedar surge
It ain't a discount lightsaber
slim thorn
Yeah, Buck was like pinned by the Chieftain
fervent glade
plus armor
barren ferry
I made the energy sword do 700 damage so it one shots practically anyone or anything that isn't Tartarus
distant pagoda
A brute weighs very heavy like a 100kg I think
fervent glade
that's pretty heavy
slim thorn
But that is after Buck kills the chieftain
distant pagoda
But that is after Buck kills the chieftain
True
fervent glade
yeah it still fell right on him
slim thorn
Ye, I remember it
fervent glade
armor and all
cedar surge
Also turf you are forgetting
barren ferry
I mean they are the exact same thing, both are plasma contained in magnetic fields @cedar surge
Only difference is shape
cedar surge
The whole team had to gang up on the chieftain
fervent glade
yeah
slim thorn
and Buck was literally pinned by the Chieftain's corpses. His armor should have been dented due to the weight.
fervent glade
but for one thing Romeo survived being IMPALED and then Buck survived being crushed
distant pagoda
That poor NMPD police in the end of the level
fervent glade
ODST's must be god's to survive that
cedar surge
Romeo got filled with biofoam
cedar surge
That's why he survived
fervent glade
yeah
slim thorn
Romeo got filled with biofoam
Before the gang evac Romeo from NMPD
barren ferry
Otherwise not even SPARTANS can survive a gravity hammer
So non augmented humans shouldn't be able to
slim thorn
Direct impact can kills a spartan
cedar surge
You know how when your shields come back in 3 the red goes away? That's the Biofoam
Yes it was
barren ferry
Oh come on
fervent glade
at the beginning of the level they say "What about all those covenant we side-stepped on the way up" "Now we get to kill them" Those lines say how much those two fear the covenants military forces
cedar surge
He litterally got filled with Biofoam after gettibg stabbed
distant pagoda
How does biofoam work?
barren ferry
What even is biofoam
fervent glade
gud stuff
slim thorn
at the beginning of the level they say "What about all those covenant we side-st...
They have to sneak around since all they need was to escape.
distant pagoda
I mean how does it work? Is it like it can cover the open wound?
cedar surge
fervent glade
they talk as if killing all the covenant they encountered there would be easy as pie
distant pagoda
Thanks
barren ferry
And this helps against energy swords and gravity hammers how
slim thorn
If they caught Covenant attention, their efforts can be delayed since there will be more phantoms coming in.
cedar surge
You know that kind of talk happens in all the games right
fervent glade
It makes sense for a team of spartan 2s to say that but not 2 odst's
yeah
spartans can say that and it makes sense
cedar surge
Cutter,Johnson,forge,
slim thorn
It makes sense for a team of spartan 2s to say that but not 2 odst's
It happens for all of units that doesn't want to caught any attention.
cedar surge
Also this doesn't say that the average unsc soldier is better than the average covey soldiers
slim thorn
You just need to play smart
distant pagoda
I do have a question
fervent glade
that line wasn't what I meant
cedar surge
These are advanced unsc soldiers talking about killing covenant soldiers
fervent glade
it's mostly books and expanded lore
distant pagoda
Is it possible for every UNSC soldier to have shields?
cedar surge
Could you provide examples?
barren ferry
No
cedar surge
No
barren ferry
Because shields
fervent glade
Yes
distant pagoda
Avail for spartans only huh?
cedar surge
Yes
barren ferry
It's like asking why the republic didn't replace every clone trooper with clone Commandos @distant pagoda
distant pagoda
Well every sangheili has shields
barren ferry
Sangheili aren't foot soldiers
cedar surge
That's because they had the tech and infrastructure for thousands of years
cedar surge
And elites were foot sokdiers
distant pagoda
That's because they had the tech and infrastructure for thousands of years
That makes sense
barren ferry
I mean they weren't the average soldier like a marine
The marines equivalent is a grunt
fervent glade
In halo the flood Keyes mentioned how the covenant would end up losing the ground battles because marines and their equipment was more than capable of pushing them back. But that the covenant would just run back to space and glass everything to win
barren ferry
Maybe jackals
distant pagoda
I mean, It would be cool for every unsc soldier to have shields like spartans
fervent glade
that makes them sound pathetic
cedar surge
No a marine can dispatch grunts or jackals pretty easily
barren ferry
That would be too costly.
west silo
The flood gets alot of things wrong
fervent glade
yeah I know
distant pagoda
Elites are called Elites for a reason
Yea
west silo
Its literally someone taking gameplay as canon
cedar surge
The covenant holds itself back with their religion and practices
barren ferry
Elite Minors are not the average covenant soldier
west silo
And jackals
barren ferry
They're still highly skilled warriors placed in minor leadership roles
And can be deadly if you don't have a spartan with you
gilded mason
In halo the flood Keyes mentioned how the covenant would end up losing the ground battles because marines and their equipment was more than capable of pushing them back. But that the covenant would just run back to space and glass everything to win
In other books, it'd say that only Spartans really won ground battles, and that such victories were fairly rare, but less rare than space victories.
fervent glade
but they speak as if beating the covenant infantry is easy as pie
west silo
No
barren ferry
Only disadvantage the minors have is they are prone to making tactical mistakes
The day at the beach cutscene didn't favor the minor at all either
west silo
Its stated that they can barely hold there own
fervent glade
yeh
west silo
Using better tactics
fervent glade
I can understand 4 odsts beating a minor
barren ferry
He only had like, 1 sniper jackal and two grunts to work with
fervent glade
he gave them a run for their money
barren ferry
The jackal missing his shot and the grunts not even firing their weapons
fervent glade
that jackal missing his shot made it feel really fake
west silo
I think the grunts was more for comedic effect
distant pagoda
I do have another question
west silo
There way more dangerous in the books
barren ferry
Not the average grunt, more so spec ops and ultras
fervent glade
spec ops grunt's are very skilled actually
distant pagoda
Is it really impossible for every UNSC ship to have shields?
west silo
Dang almost killed chief
barren ferry
Lol no
cedar surge
No
west silo
Yes
barren ferry
Not without special circumstances
west silo
Tfor
barren ferry
That favored the grunt
cedar surge
It would take a while
barren ferry
Literally all chief has to do
cedar surge
Like a few decades
barren ferry
Is shoot him in the head
cedar surge
And a stable economy
barren ferry
With a BR or AR
west silo
They nearly blew him up with a plasma grenade
barren ferry
Yes, surprise attack.
cedar surge
But they would be able to give every ship shields
barren ferry
After he was already fighting I imagine
Okay he's trolling
Chief can dodge plasma grenades mate
cedar surge
Who is trolling?
west silo
He underestimated there intelligence
barren ferry
oh my Lord
west silo
And creativity
barren ferry
Again, he can just dodge the grenade
west silo
And?
barren ferry
The grunt almost got lucky, that's it. Even then the grunt still ended up dead.
cedar surge
"Careful chief,that elite is a ultra"
west silo
Remember that time an infection form nearly killed chief?
cedar surge
Yea
barren ferry
Yes, special circumstances
west silo
No
barren ferry
After his shields were lowered when he was fighting.
west silo
Just bad luck
fervent glade
A grunt almost killed chief?
west silo
Yep
fervent glade
w o w
barren ferry
Mate, you do realize his shields were lowered
cedar surge
Many things nearly killed him
barren ferry
After he fought a bunch of flood
fervent glade
how did the story go?
west silo
Well he was being chased by an army of grunts
fervent glade
they can do that?
barren ferry
Doubtful considering elites have trouble doing so.
cedar surge
Yep
fervent glade
I knew they were strong
west silo
And they caught up to him
fervent glade
well it makes sense
barren ferry
And grunts are not as strong as elites
west silo
Yes
cedar surge
A grunt in the SoS called Stolt ripped a Spartans arm off and was the size of a elite
west silo
The arm thing is in the Spartan field guide
cedar surge
Man its brutal thinking about how all the grunts you fight in the games are only a few years old
gilded mason
Grunts being able to rip arms off comes from the Spartan Field Manual
distant pagoda
A grunt in the SoS called Stolt ripped a Spartans arm off and was the size of a ...
Wait are you serious?!
west silo
Stilt is a special grunt
So are Spartans
barren ferry
Stolt is unusually tall for an Unngoy.
cedar surge
Yes
fervent glade
how tall?
barren ferry
And a skilled Unngoy.
cedar surge
Sanghelli tall
gilded mason
Though as said, the arm thing ain't unique to Stolt
cedar surge
Grunts are strong
barren ferry
Even then, an average grunt is cowardly and overall a bad soldier.
cedar surge
If you pay close attention you can see that grunts are actually the size of humans
west silo
A grunt ripped a dude in half in the contact harvest
barren ferry
They run from one sniper jackal being killed
Then why not just run up to marines and do that 24/7?
cedar surge
A brute nearly choked chief out
barren ferry
Ah yes, brutes
west silo
That was just comedic effect
barren ferry
The things that are confirmed to be stronger than spartan II's
fervent glade
elites can be stronger than spartan 2s
west silo
No
fervent glade
chief reported that
west silo
Well maybe
barren ferry
Yes, like I said, it ain't easy for grunts to do that @cedar surge
More often than not they will get clapped by a marine in 1v1 combat if both have standard equipment
cedar surge
This is why its never a good idea to get close to any covenant member
west silo
You know why?
versed helm
You have to remember that grunts are probably always filled with fear. They were enslaved and much smaller than everyone around them. And fear tends to take over you
west silo
Because grunts are barely trained
cedar surge
were
barren ferry
@versed helm this
cedar surge
Still are
west silo
They're basically children with guns
barren ferry
And 117, that proves my point
cedar surge
The grunts are still enslaved
distant pagoda
This is why its never a good idea to get close to any covenant member
Well of course every UNSC soldier would kill them from a long distance
barren ferry
They are easy to scare because of that.
cedar surge
By the created and the banished
west silo
That's why they rely on wave tactics
barren ferry
Only spec ops grunts and ultras are trained to not be that way, even then they can still be scared off
versed helm
I know they still are, Iâm saying they were enslaved into the Covenant
cedar surge
Yea
west silo
There basically ww1 in space
distant pagoda
I know they still are, Iâm saying they were enslaved into the Covenant
By force
barren ferry
And very few grunts actually get up to that rank.
fervent glade
Spec ops and ultras dont train.
distant pagoda
And very few grunts actually get up to that rank.
Yap yap is one of them I think
west silo
Spec ops grunts don't seem really rare
cedar surge
@distant pagoda that implies you can enslave soneone by peace
fervent glade
They are experienced
barren ferry
The greatest grunt ultra still has less courage than an average Elite Minor.
west silo
You sure
barren ferry
Yes I'm sure.
fervent glade
its true
distant pagoda
<@745286022526533652> that implies you can enslave soneone by peace
I think the grunts joined the covenant by force
cedar surge
Yes
fervent glade
unless your Zuka Zamamee
west silo
A grunt made a brute his you know
cedar surge
They were
barren ferry
Nothing in lore supports otherwise.
west silo
Yes a brute
barren ferry
Brutes aren't as calculating or level headed as elites.
cedar surge
Then the grunts did a huge rebellion that ended after their planet got glassed
distant pagoda
Then the grunts did a huge rebellion that ended after their planet got glassed
That's depressing
west silo
They still slaughtered elites in CQC
barren ferry
Okay?
cedar surge
It started after the jackals sterilized a huge number of them on HC
distant pagoda
They still slaughtered elites in CQC
If the grunts have fuel rods
west silo
And a grunt beat one in that area
barren ferry
Why would an elite be dumb enough to get close to a brute
distant pagoda
Cause they are deadly with fuel rod launcers
maiden crescent
Gruntâs history is so sad
barren ferry
I feel as if you're making this up.
fervent glade
grunts can kill elites in physical combat. for their size they are much stronger and tougher
cedar surge
Before the revellion grunts werent even allowed to have weapons
maiden crescent
Before the revellion grunts werent even allowed to have weapons
Yeah
barren ferry
Grunts are NOT stronger not tougher than elites.
west silo
When you think about it
west silo
Oh they are
fervent glade
they are for their size
west silo
So are humans in a way
distant pagoda
Well grunts are deadly if in large groups
fervent glade
make a grunt the size of an elite the grunts gonna win
west silo
Am looking at you oni
cedar surge
Brutes nuked themselves back to the stone age which implies they are smart
barren ferry
Only elite minors are known to make huge amounts of tactical mistakes, which makes sense
They are the least experienced warriors of their race.
west silo
Remembers barns
barren ferry
Also, just because the brutes nukes themselves back to that level doesn't make them dumb
cedar surge
A platoon of odsts got massacred by a wave of 100 thousand grunts
gilded mason
shut
barren ferry
It shows how much they let their feral instincts take over.
distant pagoda
A platoon of odsts got massacred by a wave of 100 thousand grunts
Outnumbered
fervent glade
yeah brutes couldn't nuke themselves if they were idiots
west silo
Why is that a good thing?
cedar surge
Yea that's like throwing rocks into the ocean
barren ferry
Like I said, brutes let their feral instincts take over.
distant pagoda
A platoon of odsts got massacred by a wave of 100 thousand grunts
When did that happen?
fervent glade
they just loose control of their anger alot
barren ferry
They aren't as cunning as elites usually.
fervent glade
"usually"
cedar surge
I think during the battle of sigma octanius 4
barren ferry
But when they become level headed? That's when a brute is REALLY terrifying.
Look at Tartarus and atriox
cedar surge
Yea it was that battle
fervent glade
You can't create a nuke if your a fool
distant pagoda
Yea it was that battle
Before reach right?
west silo
Tartarus was a fool
cedar surge
Yup
fervent glade
they made a stupid decision yes but their not dumb
cedar surge
It was the battle that lead to reach
barren ferry
A platoon of odsts got massacred by a wave of 100 thousand grunts
Wow really it's not like 100,000 is a huge advantage over less than 60 soldiers
distant pagoda
It was the battle that lead to reach
Yea that's true
fervent glade
Atriox, Voridus, Pavium
west silo
He saw that the prophets were using his species and just said ehh
distant pagoda
Wow really it's not like 100,000 is a huge advantage over less than 60 soldiers
Well if a UNSC soldier can make headshots
One headshot to a grunt can instantly kill them
cedar surge
Whats crazier is that blue team managed to kill all 100 thousand
barren ferry
Who do you think ODSTS are? No human being can handle that many.
distant pagoda
Who do you think ODSTS are? No human being can handle that many.
Ik
barren ferry
Even if you headshot them, you don't have enough ammo.
And whats your only option once you run out?
distant pagoda
Even if you headshot them, you don't have enough ammo.
That makes sense...
west silo
That's assuming the unsc basic marine is some sinping god
barren ferry
Close quarters.
fervent glade
how often do drones come up in books?
cedar surge
I don't remember how blue team did it but they managed to kill all those grunts
distant pagoda
Even if you headshot them, you don't have enough ammo.
If they can hold large amount of ammo
fervent glade
I can't seem to find one in any book or comic
west silo
There is blunt instruments
cedar surge
Well they show up in black teams comics along with rise of Atriox
west silo
They were in the black team comic?
cedar surge
Yea
cedar surge
Remember the raid on verge?
fervent glade
I remember in halo legends a drone carried a spartan off a ledge and slammed her into the ground
west silo
Are you talking the rise of atriox?
cedar surge
No
west silo
Verge?
distant pagoda
The black team comic is called "Halo Bloodline"
cedar surge
west silo
Eh eh
fervent glade
de flud
barren ferry
i guess its for the best some of those books are not canon
distant pagoda
*i guess its for the best some of those books are not canon*
Black team is cannon
cedar surge
Yea all halo media is canon
distant pagoda
They appeared back in Halo escalation
cedar surge
Except when not said it is
distant pagoda
But sadly they died by Didact
west silo
There were tentacle sentinels in blood lines
fervent glade
de flud
distant pagoda
There were tentacle sentinels in blood lines
yes
barren ferry
Yanme'e are barely strong enough to carry regular humans off the ground.
cedar surge
You mean themselves
distant pagoda
Yea the worst arc in escalations
I don't know, I mean black team would never stand a chance against didact
barren ferry
Highly doubtful.
cedar surge
Drones can't fly that high without the help of a belt
fervent glade
there are no belt's they wear
west silo
Yeah apparently they use a gravity belt
fervent glade
if so where is it on the drone?
fervent glade
those pods?
distant pagoda
Drones could not wear a belt
west silo
Its not a belt
cedar surge
The Yanme'e share many similarities with Earthly beetles and colonial insects. They are bipedal arthropods with hard exoskeletons made from a glossy chitinous substance, as well as two pairs of veined wings. These adaptations are a response to the high gravity of the Yanme'e homeworld, Palamok; their shells allow them to withstand hard falls, and the thick atmosphere of Palamok allows the winged Yanme'e to achieve just enough lift to perform fluttering leaps or naturally short bursts of flight.[25] In lower-gravity environments, Yanme'e are capable of using their wings for actual aerial maneuvering, but the weight of their exoskeletons prevent them from flying.[1] When the Covenant discovered this natural ability, scientists extended their flight capabilities by fixing gravity-dampening modules to their bodies. The module adjustment gave the Yanme'e the ability to take flight freely, and the species proved to be impressive fliersâparticularly on worlds that had less gravity than Palamok.[7] Yanme'e are also impressively strong, despite their frail appearance. They can also be seen lifting their enemies off the ground to impressive heights
west silo
Just some sort of gravity device
cedar surge
Yea not belts
distant pagoda
The Yanme'e share many similarities with Earthly beetles and colonial insects. T...
That's too much details
cedar surge
Just read second paragraph
fervent glade
if they come from a high gravity environment then wouldnt flying on reach and earth be even easier meaning theres an even LOWER likely hood of them needing pods?
cedar surge
Just like their lore
west silo
Low
distant pagoda
For a question, how many covenant ships you guys think were destroyed during the war?
cedar surge
Couple thousand
west silo
4000 attacked in the start of the war
distant pagoda
the numbers is hard to know about it
west silo
Well maybe
barren ferry
probably at least twice as much for UNSC ships @distant pagoda
fervent glade
I doubt those pods are the reason they can fly
distant pagoda
well we know that 550 ships were destroyed during operation first strike
cedar surge
Merrcy or truth brushed off losing 500 ships easily
west silo
300 during coles last stand
distant pagoda
14 ships destroyed during the battle of earth
west silo
Basically saying they can get more
cedar surge
Possibly thousands during the great schism
west silo
And a bunch during the blooding wars
distant pagoda
Because Regret did not know about the humans on earth
cedar surge
Well the covenant thought reach was tge homeworld
Because it was so heavily defended
west silo
Which is funny because they were preparing to attack earth
distant pagoda
that's true 750 ships... scary man
cedar surge
Yea truth was already preparing his invasion in first strike
distant pagoda
750 covenant ships against 152 UNSC ships
distant pagoda
outnumbered by I think 7:2
west silo
Want to know something sad?
barren ferry
Covenant Cruisers are so superior to the Paris-Class Frigate it ain't even funny
cedar surge
Your comparing a cruiser to a frigate
barren ferry
isn't the paris class heavy frigate the equivalent to this? https://www.halopedia.org/CCS-class_battlecruiser
cedar surge
The difference is gonna be large
barren ferry
or am i mistaken?
cedar surge
No