lore-and-universe

[warm ridge]

This is definitely heavily implied

[west swallow]

I mean, you’re not answering why they didn’t just hole up in their crystallized reality bunkers haha

[fading flume]

I mean, theorizing doesn’t necessarily constitute that each theory has an argumentative logic to it. And as I’ve already stated, we’ve had blatant confirmation that it is a Precursor. Forethencho’s speculation is not nearly providing a sound argument to that.

Greg Bear had his own idea, and Halo may or may not have changed that. Regardless, the later informational guides are meant to provide vastly more reliable information

[west swallow]

Well yeah, until it changes or new info comes out. Forthencho’s claims are still canon and I’m betting on there being something to it

I like when Halo embraces the weird

[warm ridge]

Again..it's precursor prison. What part of this do you not understand?

You can understand how to build a jail, how it works, everything about it. This doesn't suddenly mean you can break out, the exact opposite. You can't be serious

[west swallow]

Which not saying they’re factual, but I think there’s something there

[west swallow]

I understand the claim, I just think it’s silly and uninteresting when something else imprisoned the Primordial

That may be the case, which would be a bummer to me, but I’d accept it

[fading flume]

…it quite literally states in multiple guides (which are far more recent and actually meant to be guides and not some ambiguous theorizing) he’s a Precursor. Must I cite them?

[west swallow]

I never said he’s not a precursor. I think you’re missing my point

[warm ridge]

Because the Primordial's then form was likely mimicking the Flood..?

Precursors can change there forms at will to whatever they want. They aren't limited by there body at all.

[west swallow]

Why mimic the flood? Why not change into the flood? Why need to die to transition to the Flood?

[fading flume]

That Precursors are Gravemind’s? The Flood and the Precursors are two different parities. They are never explicitly stated to be synonymous, and all the Gravemind amounts to is a compound intelligence of the flood. And their can’t be multiple independent Gravemind intelligences, so then you’d have to argue they are all under the same intelligence (since THE Gravemind is the hivemind) which they’re not

[west swallow]

I’m saying my thoughts are canon

I think you’re both missing my exploratory arguments

[warm ridge]

A connection with the Primordial & Flood, not the wider Precursors itself.

Regardless lore can change, much of what Greg bear wrote was still brand new at the time & a centralized direction was still being ironed out by 343i.

[warm ridge]

I did though, they allowed the Forerunners to rebel. Simple as that really.

[fading flume]

This is definitely true, considering I’ve never seen any guidebook tie the Gravemind to Preucrsors in general while they did with the Primordial. Whole point of the Gravemind is universality (all are one), which the Precursors definitely don’t have considering one of them went rogue (the Primordial)

[west swallow]

Im well aware of the current canonical understandings of these topics, I probably should’ve explicitly stated “I’m looking to explore nuanced thoughts on these subjects”

I think there’s room for interpretation on these things, but I probably have the wrong crowd so that’s my bad haha

[warm ridge]

Other Precursors are likely to of done it, nothing wrong with that at all.

He isn't hard to imprison, the Iso Didact was able to do it on Installation 07, likely because he let himself be captured

[fading flume]

Trust me, this is the best crowd you’re going to get on the internet

Reddit Halo Lore has like, 2 or 3 people who know what they’re doing from what I’ve seen

[west swallow]

Ya’ll are shutting me way down so I don’t think so

[warm ridge]

That's just how Precursors are, beyond your understanding. It's motivations make no sense because that's the whole point.

[fading flume]

Trust me, there’s much worse than this out there😭 consider the fact on YouTube a majority of older fans don’t consider 343 canon

[west swallow]

This is why I think it’s possible it imprisoned itself

[fading flume]

Heck, people have made vids on why 343 is a fan fic

[warm ridge]

They aren't Canon tho

[west swallow]

I’m saying this is the worst place, I agree there’s worse, but there’s not much room for expiration of ideas here

[warm ridge]

I don't do those, I just do canon only.

[west swallow]

That’s kind of boring though, at some point you’re just reciting facts rather than thinking critically at potential outcomes of lore

[fading flume]

But when you say “my thoughts are canon” it’s positioning yourself to have a more objective argument, not one based on speculation. I’m getting mixed messages with “exploratory,” so that may be the root of it

[warm ridge]

100%, each Precursor operates as it's own being.

[west swallow]

I was saying the opposite

[fading flume]

[west swallow]

Like, I’m positive my interpretations won’t come to fruition. I just like exploring different angles

[fading flume]

Ah

[warm ridge]

I recite facts to correct misinformation people have spread around to the point of actually affecting Halo Canon itself.

It's not boring to me at all when so many people misunderstand what it's saying in plain english.

[west swallow]

Eh, I get that argument, but it’s hard to make friends that way

[warm ridge]

This definitely doesn't help it either (people who think 343i lore is fan fiction)

[fading flume]

Someone once said to me “Bungie is the REAL canon” after I told them what licensing laws are😭🫩

[warm ridge]

It's funnier when you catch them using 343i made lore to explain Bungie lore

Like they don't actually realize over 95% of current Halo lore is 343i lore

[fading flume]

Yep, so basically all of what they say is limited to “the forerunners are actually human.” I remember someone saying that these remakes will somehow be made to retcon 343’s own canon and bring back the human-forerunner agenda

[west swallow]

I’ve got friends I’ve grown up with the last 2 decades that I can theory craft with, but we’ve been sharing the same theories over and over again so I was hoping to get some new ideas 🤓

[warm ridge]

I saw that a few times. Makes me wonder if they know the exact opposite is happening

[fading flume]

If you delude yourself hard enough, you can pass any lie detector test, because you genuinely think it’s true in every capacity

[fading flume]

Hmmmm, maybe try talking about the future of Halo

Like what’ll happen in this whole Zeta-Halo arc

[west swallow]

I suspect the Glow is more than just a dimension of photons and that the Endless maybe store their consciousness there. Still early theory there so I don’t have much basis for that yet beyond visual indicators for the Harbinger and her lament in Edge of Dawn

I still like theory crafting the Forerunner Flood era too much hahaha

[vagrant ocean]

And those people are idiots.

Like, genuine morons.

[vagrant ocean]

That person ís stupid.

[fading flume]

Oh of course, they will eventually be replaced by younger folk (like me) who were raised on and with 343

[vagrant ocean]

I was raised on all of it, I just grew up while they stagnated.

[fading flume]

They will live in bliss with their awful head canons. Just be glad the “why 343 is basically a fan fic” video has like 10k views only.

Genuinely, do I need to explain licensing laws and the legality of Bungie literally giving Microsoft their entire franchise and saying “buh bye”

[unique rune]

I mean to those people it doesn't really matter about all the legal technicalities of the matter
you could explain all you want and they would not care
it just boils down to "not Bungie = not Halo"

[fading flume]

That’s the same conclusion I’ve reached, and I can’t believe I even bothered wasting time in the YT comments.

In another instance, a poll of well over 10 k votes had 82 percent of people saying Sam-034 (as he died at 14 years old) could beat CURRENT Fred in close quarters combat, but not Jerome🫩

[wispy pewter]

But can Fred without armor defeat a gorilla?

[unique rune]

probably

[fading flume]

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if he could with his immense strength and reflexes

[modest marsh]

Having strong opinions about Sam’s fighting ability is weird considering he barely gets to fight anything

If you go off of the TFOR comic, he gets knocked over by a jackal kicking him lol

https://imgur.com/a/6Ov4kIW

(I wouldn’t trust the comic as authoritative because of how it differs from the book but I just find this choice amusing)

[unique rune]

tbf I don't think any of them have strong opinions about that either
it just comes down to
-Sam is from the based iconic old lore
-current Fred is in the bad stupid peefourpee games
-Jerome is kind of from the based iconic old lore when Bungie ran things and has basically always been depicted with the ICONIC Mark IV armor

[wispy pewter]

Remember when 343 almost hired new people for Cortana and Master Chief

[warm ridge]

Remember when Bungie almost made forerunners human

Fun times

[wispy pewter]

Would have been better

Remember that Moonfall movie where it was revealed that ancient humans built the entire moon

[ionic tiger]

No

[minor sky]

I wonder if the platform the Didact comes out of his Cryptum on was intentionally made to be the same shape as the Ark

I am most likely reading way too much into it

[carmine sleet]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone noticed that during development and the person responsible for the design was like "Oh, that wasn't intended but it works for what it does"

[vagrant ocean]

You mean when the movie immediately became terrible?

[carmine sleet]

Was that one by the same person who made 2012?

[marble lion]

Yes, Ronald Emmerich. He also directed “Independence Day” and 1998 “Godzilla”

[carmine sleet]

I didn't realise he was the same person who directed Independence Day

[vagrant ocean]

Ok, Independence Day was a fun movie. But 90% of his filmography is TRASH.

[minor sky]

At least Stargate is solid

and gave way to three much better TV series

[vagrant ocean]

I have a feeling that if Sam didn’t die in 2526 he’d be the tallest Spartan, considering he was already the tallest by then. I like to imagine grown up Sam to be like Fezzik from Princess Bride, which is basically what Jorge is.

I legit can see Jorge saying “Not my fault being the biggest and strongest”

[minor sky]

At that rate Sam would have the Didact looking up to speak with him

🥁

[vagrant ocean]

I like how there’s several Spartan-IIs that are just freaks of nature in terms of strength.

[minor sky]

I always like when we get accounts of the spartan IIs which describe them as almost inhuman

That was one thing Alex Garland's script did pretty well

Specifically with how he described the opening flashback on Reach playing out

On the note of that script, I really love how he had Jenkins give Chief his pistol and then worked that particular detail in with the reveal of the Flood

That reveal is a great showcase of translating something designed for an interactive exprience into a traditional piece of media. Part of why the insane Marine works so well in the game is because how you spent 4 missions fighting along side them. When you find that marine hiding and speaking crazy and he fires his gun at you, it is a really effective subversion.
But in a film it wouldn't have the same effect as you haven't been saving and killing aliens along side them, you've been watching Chief do it. So taking that moment and recontextualizing it to have Chief give Jenkins his pistol back- only for Jenkins to shoot himself with it- is a really striking moment that still manages to achieve the same effect

[vagrant ocean]

We get one of the first accounts of that on September 27 of 2520. Candidate-137 accidentally killed a handler while reversing a pin. This tracks given how she doesn’t know akher own strength and thus has difficulty regulating it, and the handler probably underestimated the strength the 10 year old had, most likely due to not reading her file or not being informed.

[wispy pewter]

Went from a disaster film to a sci fi lol

[vagrant ocean]

Went from disaster film to slop.

[unique rune]

movie of all time

[wispy pewter]

It wasn’t that bad tbh. Watched it in the cinema

Disaster movies is like 99% Action and 1% story

[minor sky]

I like to imagine that the REAP-X Quad Walker was, canonically, a concept that never made it beyond a few blueprints.

[modest marsh]

Nope actually the Thrill Squad used it (who are definitely canon)

[minor sky]

Thrill Squad?

[modest marsh]

https://youtu.be/hyk2AzefH4g your move Halo Studios

They should AT MINIMUM get their own waypoint chronicle

[minor sky]

Yeah I'd be down for that

[pallid jay]

Hey

[minor sky]

The Jellyfish better be in Halo 7 or this series is dead

jokes aside, the name jellyfish would fit for a small UNSC submarine. Think the underwater equivalent of the Honeybee

[pallid jay]

Hello

[wispy pewter]

Must have been the wind

[minor sky]

https://youtube.com/shorts/_G9VlpqqQfs

They quite litterally brute forced their way to the Ark

[marsh lintel]

headcanon: cortana decided that chief shouldn't be able to see how close he is to death after halo 1 for some reason. ||he then proceeded to turn his hp bar back on|| in halo 5

[modest marsh]

what would be the point of that

[marsh lintel]

being honest here, the only valid reason i can think of is that it's kinda creepy knowing that you'd almost certainly die in one or two more hits through the shield

[modest marsh]

Halo lore itself obviously doesn’t adhere to the gameplay logic of an arbitrary amount of damage killing you instantly without any apparent degradation

[minor sky]

One part of Halo lore that never gets old is how comically large the Binary Rifle is

[vagrant ocean]

Or how short the sniper rifle is compared to modern rifles of similar caliber.

[minor sky]

Forerunner weapons being so giant makes sense when you consider the average size of a Promethean Warrior-Servent. But it is still none the less

[severe wind]

whats the forerunner like structure at the end of halo reach?

[carmine sleet]

The one you see on The Package? That's a crashed Forerunner ship

https://www.halopedia.org/Babd_Catha_Forerunner_vessel

[minor sky]

I like to think that it looks like the one labled 32 on this piece of concept art

https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/f/f5/H4_ForerunnerShips_Concept_1.jpg

[severe wind]

that too i guess

but the glowing structure at the end when i think Halsey is talking about you?

[spark pivot]

The ship?

[severe wind]

not this one, but at the end of lone wolf? after the battle there seems to be a ship

[vagrant ocean]

That’s not a Forerunner vessel. It’s a human colony ship from the 2580s.

[severe wind]

ah ok

[tight badge]

Without shields is Mjolnir more durable than Tungsten

[vagrant ocean]

Prolly.

[modest marsh]

That is a complicated question that’s going to depend on how you’re measuring “durability”

[tight badge]

What protects better

[modest marsh]

tensile (pulling), compressive (squeezing), shear (sliding), torsional (twisting), and flexural (bending)

It depends on the method of deformation being used

Mjolnir also has different compositions and thicknesses

[carmine sleet]

Also would depend on where you hit the person wearing the suit

[modest marsh]

Generally speaking the armor plate itself is described as primarily using a fictionalized titanium alloy-polymer composite

It’s also been attributed as using materials such as ceramics, steel, carbon nanotubes, and hyperdiamond film

There’s probably some tungsten used innately in one or many compositions that has been used

The advantage of composites is they can make up for deficiencies that a homogeneous material would have

[modest marsh]

In any case, Ti-A being the primary construction material for Mjolnir already implies a degree of resilience that is largely unobtainable by using mundane contemporary materials

It’s what they make their warship hulls out of, which are notoriously resilient against high velocity collisions

Broadly referred to as "Titanium-A," stacked nanotube-reinforced titanium and elastic polymer composites provide excellent protection against both hypervelocity impacts and directed energy weapons. Warships are fitted with thick plates, while civilian vessels have only what is needed to prevent superficial damage from micrometeorite impacts. More advanced armor plating, which was introduced late in the war, incorporates superconducting elements to lessen the effectiveness of Covenant plasma weapons.

[tight badge]

I just made this connection, NOVA bombs remind me a lot of project Sundial

Project Sundial was a plan by the US to make a 10 giga ton nuke to act as the ultimate deterrent, the train of thought being if you attack us we will destroy the world

kind of like MAD but way more destructive

[modest marsh]

The strategic purpose of NOVA are a little different, theoretically it would be a fleet killer that could be deployed, but it remained an issue of locating viable targets and delivering it discreetly

SUNSPEAR being the rare instance in which it was deliberately used for its intended purpose because they managed to secure intel on a major covenant colony

The methods Gray Team used to actually get a NOVA on Glyke are messy but at minimum it required the use of their custom prowler which was destroyed in the process

[modest marsh]

Also to be clear, “asset denial” is already codified into UNSC protocol via the Cole protocol and possibly other provisions that predate it

Ships and stations seem to at minimum have the ability to scuttle themselves on demand, either by causing a reactor meltdown or detonating a nuclear device

It’s an extreme case but the Prototype suit had a built in 300 MT nuclear device

[prime mauve]

Yeah they usually don't have a planet's worth of assets to deny with a single bomb

[wispy pewter]

Sia

[warm ridge]

mjolnir armor plates are tougher then tungsten yes, because the titanium it uses doesn't actually exist irl

tungsten is also a brittle metal, it easily fractures & breaks. It wouldn't be able to handle the abuse MJOLNIR goes through when worn by a Spartan.

The only advantages Tungsten might have is -

• tensile strength (Tungsten has twice the tensile strength of titanium, aka you will have a much harder time trying to pull Tungsten apart vs Titanium)
• extremely high melting point
• better radiation shielding (it's actually better then lead)

none of which would be all that useful in a MJOLNIR situation, except the high melting point, but a high melting point isn't gonna do much if all it takes is one hit with a Gravity Hammer to shatter the armor plating.

even in normal situations I would not recommend using Tungsten as armor at all. It's just not a great against ballistics.

[spark pivot]

Using it as radiation shielding would be useful for EVA varianta

[prime mauve]

I think they might have meant titanium A vs tungsten in a context where the tungsten is used for armor piercing ammunition against titanium

Instead of making the armor out of tungsten

[warm ridge]

Titanium still wins.

Tungsten is probably the worst metal you could use for conventional ammunition, due to what I already said, it's brittle.

[prime mauve]

Agreed

[warm ridge]

Upon impact that tungsten will shatter into a million pieces. It's like the glass form of metal.

[prime mauve]

It is useful as a sabot core but just the tungsten? Nah

[warm ridge]

well yea because the tungsten keeps the person shooting the weapon from getting radiation poisoning lol

like I said, tungsten is an excellent radiation shield. It's better then lead. The problem with tungsten is that it's heavy as hell which is why you don't see it used everywhere when it comes to radiation protection.

[warm ridge]

before someone says "it's also way more expensive"
when you get into areas where you need lead or tungsten to shield yourself from a certain amount of radiation that ordinary concrete can't do, price isn't really a factor anymore. It's all about weight.

[prime mauve]

Sabots currently use very dense penetrator cores to get inside armor, and the dense materials used for that generally use depleted uranium alloyed with other metals to become "staballoy". A more expensive alternative is making the penetrator out of tungsten. The main difference with those two cores besides cost is that the depleted uranium one has explosive power when hitting its target.
But for armor, what you mention about its protection against radiation would definitely be a big factor I think.

[warm ridge]

It's useless as armor because of it's brittleness. Any sort of impact will cause it to shatter.

Using it as a internal liner mixed in with a flexible material could work, but as actual armor? Useless.

[prime mauve]

So basically the conclusion is that you gotta wrap that tungsten in other stuff to give it its use for offensive or defensive purposes.

[tight badge]

Anything but make armor that actually exists

[warm ridge]

I wouldn't recommend using tungsten alloys either, any sort of metal you mix in with tungsten greatly increases it's brittleness. That's something you just can't avoid.
It won't be as brittle as just pure tungsten anymore sure, but it's still more brittle then something like Titanium or Steel.

[tight badge]

Or rather using stuff that does exist to make something that cant/doesnt

[warm ridge]

I said mix it with a flexible material for a reason, a sheet of tungsten doesn't like being "bent" or "moved" at all. It's not flexible at all.

It's why I compared it to glass earlier. You can't "bend" glass, moment you try the thing just breaks.

[prime mauve]

Which is why I said "wrap"

Like take the APFSDS example

The tungsten is the core, and its high density is placed in the middle for a reason

[warm ridge]

I'd recommend reading through the convo to understand a bit more about tungsten

[prime mauve]

But the rest outside it is other metals, not alloyed to it, just packing it in so the tungsten keeps its shape until impact

[tight badge]

I mean Sci-Fi using stuff that doesn’t exist like the titanium alloys in Mjolnir

[unique rune]

wow
science fiction being fictional
imagine that

[tight badge]

If you’re going to use real stuff make it actually work

[unique rune]

what on earth is remotely real about anything about MJOLNIR

[tight badge]

Titanium is a real thing

[unique rune]

they made up a titanium alloy because it implies that it's relatively strong but also relatively lightweight so it sounds believable enough to a casual audience

it's not that deep

[tight badge]

If it’s not that deep than shut up

[warm ridge]

Because of it's hardness & heavyness. When used in rounds like APFSDS's, the tungsten round inside is heavily protected by softer lighter metals, in order to prevent it from shattering or breaking upon impact.

If it was just tungsten only, it might make a dent but not have any real penetration.

[prime mauve]

Exactly

[prime mauve]

Which I have been saying since this comment

[warm ridge]

And that's not a situation that involves a moving spartan. When you say "wrap", you imply wrapping it with a sheet. You're not wrapping a Spartan in tungsten lol

APFSDS rounds aren't flexible.

[prime mauve]

Okay, you are taking both my statements about armor piercing and armor as one

And getting confused about it

[warm ridge]

No, I just think you're misunderstanding the convo. Wraps are bad.

[prime mauve]

What I was going with the APFSDS train of thought is that the Spartan would be getting hit with something like it, with their Mjolnir on

And that just tungsten would not work well against that

[warm ridge]

No one was talking about what a Spartan would get hit by lol

[prime mauve]

I was agreeing with you about your comments about the flexible material for the anti-radiation protection

[warm ridge]

regardless Spartans in Halo are getting hit by plasma

[prime mauve]

I was

[warm ridge]

but you were replying to me, where I wasn't.

[prime mauve]

Right here

[warm ridge]

Just read this. Answers all the questions.
#lore-and-universe message

[prime mauve]

Okay then that person really wanted a tungsten armor?

[warm ridge]

He's talking about using just Tungsten in just about anything, Sabot rounds aren't pure tungsten anyways. The tungsten in those types of rounds is just used to make the round heavier primarily. Beyond that, it's useless. There's a reason Sabot rounds switched to depleted Uranium.

[warm ridge]

.

[prime mauve]

Okay that is quite a silly idea and I get your responses to him now lol

[tight badge]

Not really

I asked a question of whats more durable

[prime mauve]

Costs, availability, added boom.

[warm ridge]

which I answered & explained why Titanium is better

[warm ridge]

Costs & availability would be irrelevant here.

[tight badge]

Then stop putting words in my mouth about me wanting tungsten used in everything

[warm ridge]

don't ask me what he's going on about now btw i'm just as confused as you are lol

[prime mauve]

I mean those are literally the reasons they go with depleted uranium.

No worries

[hearty whale]

b

[tight badge]

c

d

[warm ridge]

While true, the main reason all the main militaries switched to DU for cores is due to it having more consistent & better penetration over-all vs tungsten cores.

[prime mauve]

Yeah that too

[warm ridge]

I mean it's really the only reason. Cost at these scales is all but irrelevant. Saving what amounts to just a couple thousand dollars on ammunition really isn't considered at all.
It's not like they're saving 1 million dollars per bullet.

[prime mauve]

It's not that

It's that they have uranium enrichment for all the other military and energy uses they have already

[warm ridge]

This applies to availability to, a country can literally just open a bunch of tungsten mines and..wala. Tungsten surplus.

[prime mauve]

So by using that process and making the byproduct into something useful, they are saving up on the extra supply chain for mining

Cost per unit may not be an issue but reducing the moving parts of the supply chain a little bit does seem like something they would go for

[warm ridge]

I don't think you're understanding this is all but irrelevant. Like I told you, cost & availability at these scales is irrelevant.

Iodine, Mercury, Silver, Helium, Gold, & Platinum are far less abundant then Tungsten is in Earth's crust.

[prime mauve]

Another factor is who owns the tungsten mines

[warm ridge]

.

Wouldn't be hard at all if Tungsten was suddenly in demand.

It's VERY abundant compared to the other things I just mentioned.

That means it's also cheaper to mine btw.

[prime mauve]

The biggest tungsten reserves in the world are in China, then Canada and Russia. Canada's was extracted from a single mine that closed up in 2015. So the geopolitical factor is very much a thing that I'd call a cost for countries like the US and Europe.

If political rivals can start getting in the way of your supply, it definitely is a factor to look for some alternative

But to bring it back to Halo, that would not apply anymore as the UNSC could simply have the tungsten mines needed in any colony at a writer's whim

[warm ridge]

Known reserves & deposits. Again, this is irrelevant.
If the USA was in deep need for a ton of Tungsten tomorrow, it'd begin mass reopening a bunch of Tungsten mines right now.
Same goes for Canada & where ever else.

The reason why this hasn't happened is because it's not commercially viable for local companies to bother doing it. Because it's not in demand.

Not sure why you keep sending irrelevant info that practically doesn't matter to what I said

[warm ridge]

Understand what irrelevancy is before bringing info up that ultimately doesn't actually matter.

[prime mauve]

...k then

[warm ridge]

Like the UNSC, do you really think Gold is all that hard for the UNSC to find & use vs modern day USA? No, it's really not.

[prime mauve]

I'm done with this if it's irrelevant

[warm ridge]

It's why I said "cost at these scales is irrelevant", because at a certain point an extra 1 million is seen little more then as a tax write off when you're using billions of dollars.

In the USA's case, a couple trillion every 5 years lol

In the UNSC's case in Halo, far more then whatever the USA does now. The scale would involve multiple entire planets so, yeah.

[prime mauve]

Yeah

[warm ridge]

I don't think it was ever confirmed to be a Human colony ship in the 2580's was it?

[vagrant ocean]

It says here it is https://www.halopedia.org/Unidentified_colony_ship

[tight badge]

What else would it be

[modest marsh]

That naming is apocryphal/speculative

[prime mauve]

It looks human

[modest marsh]

It’s loosely based on existing cruiser designs

[prime mauve]

Shares some design language with the Halcyon, especially the backside

[modest marsh]

You might say it incorporated forerunner elements based on the shape and blue lights

[prime mauve]

The blue lights could hint to hardlight

Sort of like how it was incorporated to the Ace of Spades

[modest marsh]

To be honest I don’t think it’s really meant to be interpreted literally, Bungie was vaguely hinting at an optimistic future for the setting years after the war ended

[unique rune]

it’s very much meant to evoke “advanced human ship” but the page jumping to it being a colony ship might be a bit much

[modest marsh]

There is a date but I would dispute the specifics of anything we see until it shows up in something else

[prime mauve]

Yeah it could be any kind of ship.

[modest marsh]

Like, is the date referring to Halsey’s eulogy for Six?

[modest marsh]

It could be that, it could be the scene we see on Reach’s surface

To be honest I do not think Reach will realistically look the way it does in that scene by 2589 given the severity of the glassing that occurred and the relatively slow progress they’ve made resettling planets that were attacked

Meridian was specifically denoted as a planet (moon technically) that was largely spared from severe damage in spite of being glassed, and even with its much smaller surface area is projected to take decades to deglass

Advances in terraforming technology notwithstanding

Maybe they discover the Halo equivalent of a GECK in some Forerunner reliquary

[warm ridge]

This has kinda sort of already happened I believe.

At least when it comes to the Grunt home world it has.

Wouldn't be that big of a leap to make if said tech somehow made it onto Reach over the years.

[tight badge]

Wouldnt be surprised if they built something like it, not sure if it would work on glassed world or just previously flood controlled planets

[modest marsh]

We know of this at least https://www.halopedia.org/Lifeworker_terraforming_vessel

That said, I somewhat doubt that humanity will be operating Forerunner ships in 2589, but maybe I’m wrong

[tight badge]

You were right, if a GECK and space ship had a baby

[prime mauve]

Reavian pioneers just got really good at removing the lechatelierite and putting some nice grass over it and put an extra effort in making sure the Noble 6 mountain would be in good condition for the photoshoot

[unique rune]

delicious lechatelierite

[prime mauve]

Troy Denning approved

[modest marsh]

The noble 6 helmet being there is particularly egregious because like, how did it not get buried by several meters of dust and ash even if the surface there didn’t get melted

Also, because of Outpost Discovery, apparently it was discovered at some point (which I guess helps square with the PoV shot being diegetic if its footage that someone recovered)

[prime mauve]

Maybe it's a propagandized picture, like the Halo 2 cover art of Chief dual wielding SMGs that was in-universe propaganda

And was heavily edited

[modest marsh]

The premise is a little silly though cuz I don’t think they’d just leave it there like an unmarked grave

It’s not attributed to anyone in particular even in the OD exhibit

[warm ridge]

Also ironically supports a theory I have that every Halo campaign is actually a simulation used to train all Spartans.

It's all recorded from a 1st person POV, and the "war games designers" built arena's based off what got recorded.

[prime mauve]

Chief has been through just about every situation a Spartan can go against so his combat data would make damn fine scenarios for simulations

[warm ridge]

Back when 343i was making trailers for Halo MCC, it really supported this theory. Various other pieces of Halo media also seem to support it.
Even lines said by the Gravemind directly to Chief & Cortana were all recorded by the MJOLNIR armor that ONI has direct access to.

pretty much anything & everything Chief saw or heard, ONI has the ability to swipe through it all at moments notice.

[prime mauve]

And turn it into training material? It would be very smart

[warm ridge]

Yes, that's how the entire War Games multiplayer map stuff works in the 1st place. It got recorded / analyzed, and a "3d projection" was created based off it.
Which is then turned into a training arena for Spartans via simulations.

The areas still exist, they're all real in the Halo universe.

[prime mauve]

I don't know if ONI would just give the unfiltered version for training. Maybe to very highly vetted and trusted Spartans

[warm ridge]

They would.

Most Spartans already have clearance levels that let them have access to said classified data.

It's how they became Spartans in the 1st place.

[prime mauve]

At what point of training would it be given?

As a test of sorts, maybe?

[warm ridge]

Vale for example knows what & who the Gravemind is. The only way she'd be able to know any of this is if she saw at least a little bit of the things Chief went through.

[prime mauve]

I wouldn't say it's the only one

Cortana's logs would also be a source

[warm ridge]

The point is she would've had to known Chief went through it, because most of the known info comes from those encounters. Some of it came from Spark as well, but not most of it.

Don't think you realize ONI isn't 100% aware about every single little thing that happened to the Forerunners or every encounter we know about in the Halo universe itself.

[prime mauve]

It would be more accurate to say that it would be the only human account of interacting directly with the Gravemind.

[warm ridge]

And Cortana's "logs" are based off what Chief also went through, sooo...yeah.

[warm ridge]

High intensive combat training simulations?
What do you think?

[prime mauve]

Man I was liking your idea but you kind of always have to have the last word, don't you?

[warm ridge]

This is actually something modern USA does already. No where near as advanced obviously, but close.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1t_B-FXgq0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6SfnRhEiTQ

Airplane Pilots use a similar thing. All based off real world data, real flight paths, accidents, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1RfVHK3Vt8

Real world data to build your simulation off of is always better then trying to "fake it". Which is why the Halo campaigns actually being simulations for Spartan training makes perfect sense.

[warm ridge]

Not saying every single Spartan has access to the same type of classified data btw @prime mauve
Just that, enough Spartans would have to be aware of certain things. You really think Locke wouldn't know if Vale knows? Palmer? Musa? Most of the UNSC leadership?

An entire Spartan Fireteam dedicated to destroying the Flood exist as well.

https://www.halopedia.org/Flood_containment_Fireteam

[vagrant ocean]

There’s one seen on Oasis in Infinite. It’s a Lifeworker ship.

[glacial coral]

Has there yet been an official explanation as to why Hyperius has Locke's armour on his right arm?

[carmine sleet]

No. Unless you want to take the Propaganda Grunt's word that he's dead. But the Propaganda Grunt says allot of things which are easily disproven

[strange pumice]

And some phrases are breaking the 4th wall

[wispy pewter]

the propaganda grunt literally breaks the 4th wall

[frigid heart]

Wears red? Funny? Annoying? Breaks the fourth wall?

This grunt must be Deadpool

[prime mauve]

Deadpool's mask colors adapted for a Grunt's gas mask would look very neat ngl

[prime mauve]

Given how some Spartan IVs just love taking their helmets off maybe Hyperius caught Locke in one of those moments and Locke left it behind while retreating

Maybe Hyperius had a guy at the Watershed Division factory sell him a Hunter class helmet for aura farming purposes

[carmine sleet]

I kinda like the idea that Locke's already moved onto Gen 3 Mjolnir and Hyperious found the pieces of Locke's old armour being prepped for disposal

[prime mauve]

Dumpster diving in a chunk of Infinity for loot that ups his street cred...no wonder Tovarus kinda looked down on his brother

[modest marsh]

It’s not just the helmet, the cuirass is also there

[tight badge]

Hit Locke with the devious lick

[prime mauve]

Spartan Locke, so as not to be outdone by that one time Commander Palmer filled up her helmet with grenades to attack the enemy, took off his chest piece and used it to bash a Grunt into paste. Then he ran away. Hyperius scavenged it a moment later.

[ionic tiger]

Tovarus notably calls Hyperius a coward if you kill him first. Might not tell us exactly how he got Locke’s gear, but it maybe tells me he isn’t beyond wearing trophies he likely didn’t earn.

[modest marsh]

I think this is a general vibe of the Spartan Killers and other Banished who claimed to have “easily” killed Spartans

Stone for instance was killed by Jega…but only after months of deteriorating health and armor functionality, and even then he waited until she was distracted to stab her in the back

That bum was losing to her in a 1v1 moments ago

[wispy pewter]

named characters always have an edge duh

[stoic hamlet]

He also only killed Roland due to getting the jump on him, and stabbed him in the back, waiting until both Spartan III’s thought the area was clear.

[vagrant ocean]

How dishonorable.

[warm lion]

If Multiplayer is canon as simulation. Does that mean technically that if we're fighting alongside Elites in Halo 2, 3 and Reach, does that mean that the maps are just simulated in the training room on Anvil Station?

[bleak lynx]

I think my message was canceled 🥲 but I try again ..I wanted to share the fact to invented a lore around 8 possible squads (eagle, cobra, hades, Valkyrie, hazard, cutlass, valor, rampart) in Halo infinite . A little lore that talks about a family in the forge multiverse.

This lore is at the base of an halo championship I have built for my friends as well! Please have a look any feedback is welcome !

The lore (translate in ENG with any web browser)
https://boxalmatch.github.io/noblepartyguildswar/storia.html

[warm lion]

Uh dude, that looks like a scam. That's probably the reason it got removed

[bleak lynx]

Ahh no it is not! It is a website on GitHub I built for my friends to play this halo championship using forge maps — that s is literally it!

[warm lion]

I understand, but scammers do that all the time. That's why it's getting removed. It's such an easy scam and pretty common. So, they're playing it safe. Plus, you also have no roles which is also pretty common for a scammer/bot. Not saying you are one, it's just the common thing they've been doing

[bleak lynx]

Ok ok I did not wanna look like a scam I even post this championship website on this discord in “show and tell” section to ask for feedbacks et al.

[warm lion]

Well, then that's where it should go I think. Not sent to every chat since that's what spam bots do

[bleak lynx]

The championship template is for playing on halo infinite , but I built a lore behind it . A story of guilds and I thought would be interesting as lore expansion of halo but from a different perspective . I just thought we can talk about “lore” and “lore universe” here in this chat , so I place my little contribution

[carmine sleet]

Most maps we see are simulated environments in training facilities such as those on Anvil or the Infinity. And any Elites seen are most likely Elites onboard Anvil Station or with other units working with the UNSC. Breakout in Halo 5 and the maps for that mode are an exception as those are meant as live fire exercises

[warm lion]

Cool. So if I'm playing Reach Multiplayer and have an Elite ally, it could be implied as me playing a War Game aboard the Infinity or Anvil Station?

[unique rune]

Yeah

IIRC the situation with multiplayer for CE through Reach is a bit vague but 343 did give some maps official War Games designations so it’s implied that at least some of them were part of it

[vagrant ocean]

It’s confirmed that H2A, H4, H5G, and HI’s multiplayer are all simulations.

Other than that I unno.

I guess H3 counts cuz they added the Anvil armor.

Maybe the maps in CE, H2, and HR are canon simulation maps but that might be it.

[unique rune]

Maps from 2 and 3 got War Games designations from the old Waypoint universe info so they exist in some form in that context and Jeff Easterling has previously suggested that one could retroactively consider previous MP to be part of War Games

[warm lion]

This would explain Forge Mode as well

[unique rune]

Big picture it’s not terribly important and it’s generally just extra worldbuilding stuff, though ultimately there’s nothing stopping one from considering something like Reach MP to be some version of War Games if they wanted to

[warm lion]

It also explains why in Invasion we only see Elites and Spartans fighting and not the rest of the Covenant

[prime mauve]

Playing as an elite on Anvil Station's simulations with Halo 2 graphics because you have really bad eyesight and everything looks low res to you anyway

[stoic hamlet]

It should also be noted that, from the canon War Games we’ve seen, the actual “matches” we play aren’t canon.

Just the maps.

[prime mauve]

Thank goodness, my team's horrible performance from that last game of Slayer should never be canon

[crimson oak]

How exactly were the organic flood forms even effective against forerunner machines? Like the infected organics should have limitations, like muscles for example are slow being powered by chemical reactions vs electricity or whatever the forerunners used. It’s like comparing how fast someone can throw a ball vs a rail gun. There is simply no competition.

Shouldn’t forerunner tech speed blitz through organic flood like mowing grass?

[obsidian thistle]

Maps - Gamemodes - Armor (mostly) = Canon

Forge = UNSC Cartographer Initiative

Weapons have "War Games balancing" so will differ from reality and maybe even how we see it.

The TLDR is "technically" everything we do can happen. With those fundamentals. But the nuance is gameplay (what we do) itself is non-canon

Even in a technical level armor has been suggested to even be simulated

Thanks Timmy helmet

Thanks Flood mode
Thanks Iratus mode

[prime mauve]

That's pretty much the point of what the UrDidact wanted to do with the Prometheans in combination with Shield Worlds. The Promethean Knights could probably mow down Flood combat and pure forms by the dozen and keep going for a long while before getting overwhelmed by the numbers and the firepower brought forth from the combat forms' weapons or the pure forms offensive organs. But the amount of Prometheans that would be needed to really turn the tide of the war in any scale that mattered was a lot more than the Forerunners were willing to commit. So they locked the Didact up. And when he was freed and tried getting back to the Ecumene, the Master Builder put him on a derelict ruin ship and threw him at the Flood. And when he got back from that, crazy and desperate, he began Composing humans to try and build up the Promethean numbers to maybe oppose the Flood, but then he got zapped by his wife and put in the Requiem Cryptum.

If the Forerunner council had decided to use the Didact's idea and Composed trillions of people to fight the Flood while everyone else hid in Shield Worlds, it could have ended up better for the Forerunners but maybe much worse for everyone else, if the Lifeworkers' budgets got put into this instead of the Halos and the Conservation Measure.

[modest marsh]

This depends on which game you’re talking about being used as the framing device of the multiplayer experience

Halo: Online (and retroactively MCC) is the only entry that explicitly addresses the presence of playable Elites as diegetic

Halo 4 and 5 Wargames take place on either Infinity’s War Games deck or the Munera Platforms

Playable Elites are not present in those because outside of a handful of Swords of Sanghelios liaisons, there aren’t any Elites to perform training exercises with

Infinite’s War Games take place at the Academy using a mix of real live fire environments and virtual sims, and no Elites are present there either

[plain mesa]

I have a thought on the upcoming Halo Campaign Evolved reboot what if Halo Studios did this? also they are respecting the original material from Combat Evolved that makes it great, would they make Thel Vadamee appear in a few little custscenes away from Chief's cutscenes as a Supreme Commander of his fleet before he became the Arbiter in Halo 2, him on his flagship CAS Assault Carrier: The Seeker of Truth and he could be tasked by the high prophets of Truth, Regret, and Mercy to protect Halo and be called back for disciplinary action after Alpha Halo is destroyed which will lead to Halo 2's trial. also on another note it could be a great excuse to bring Zuka Zamamee a Special Ops elite who was hunting Master Chief (and possibly Yayap his Grunt companion) to appear keeping it true to the light novel Halo:The Flood and technically it's true lore to the franchise and it respects Bungie's version of Halo as a whole, there is so much potential to add Zuka in both the Pillar of Autumn and The Maw remake when Chief scars his armour in the Pillar Autumn mission as he was part of the boarding party of that game and will be killed later in The Maw by Chief himself before the warthog run. (This is an idea concept to think about nothing said in stone, and also it respects the lore of the Halo Universe.)

[carmine sleet]

The game isn't a reboot

[unique rune]

why is all of this like one sentence

[stoic hamlet]

Media literacy and grammar is dead.

[carmine sleet]

Yeah, the formatting makes it real annoying to read through the whole thing

[unique rune]

I feel like I'm getting dizzy from reading it
between the formatting/lack thereof and the actual contents

not sure how adding Zuka 'Zamamee is in any way respecting whatever Bungie wanted CE to be

[carmine sleet]

Bungie were not too big on the novels after all

[plain mesa]

Sorry if it was too long but it's at least lore accurate and true to the story how else could i have explained it? also sorry i meant Remake not Reboot.

[unique rune]

I mean
you could have just said
that

and at the day I mean
yeah sure what if they did any of it?

they sure would be referencing other bits of technically relevant Halo media

there's not really much further to go with a hypothetical like this

[prime mauve]

The Flood is not a light novel, it's a normal novel

[carmine sleet]

For the Zuka point specifically, I also don't really know how it'd be implemented without it feeling odd. Because there's no real reason to do something like slapping a health bar with a name on the Spec Ops Elite at the end of The Maw. He was just some Elite who was trying to kill Chief to the player, just another obstacle in his way.
Maybe they could have Zuka show up in the distance as a Spec Ops Elite you can catch a glimpse of before cloaking, but honestly, I don't think it's needed at all

[prime mauve]

We can probably expect Campaign Evolved to have the same cutscenes as CE except for the new missions, those likely have their own new cutscenes.

Extra stuff could be added as Terminals

[carmine sleet]

I'm fully expecting the biggest changes to the cutscenes will be to any dialogue which doesn't really fit in with current lore

Or just any line which is a little clunky

And well, the camera placements will be different

[unique rune]

I will be disappointed if they change the cave line

[carmine sleet]

I think they'll keep that but change the cave to look more like an actual cave at first

Like, the line doesn't work in CE because the cave is very much not a natural looking formation

[stoic hamlet]

The health bars and such never really fit in infinite either, IMO.

Halo’s better when it doesn’t try to force “hype moments” like that.

[carmine sleet]

Aye, I am inclined to agree. But at least Infinite only slapped them on the bosses and not every enemy (Looking at you Destiny, let me turn those and the damage numbers off)

[prime mauve]

Damage numbers in FPS games are such a bad trend

I turn them off everywhere I can

[carmine sleet]

Like, in a mode like Warzone in Halo 5, I can understand the health bars being there on bosses. The mode itself is designed around two teams trying to get points, knowing how low a boss' health and how many points you'll get is useful within that context

[prime mauve]

We were not meant to see that our attack caused 105 ranged damage + 0.5% poison damage

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah but even the idea of “bosses” never really fit Halo, IMO.

It’s often done better in something like 40K, but even in 40K it’s usually called out as kind of insane, or the “big fight” isn’t actually treated like a big deal by the characters.

It doesn’t really make sense for a Spartan to treat a random Elite as any more or less of a threat on a personal level.

[carmine sleet]

Aye

Like, Chief really should've taken down Chak 'Lok with about the same difficulty as every other Elite wearing that same harness

But for the sake of the game, he was given more health and a name and health bar above his head

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah.

We know Spartans consider certain Sangheili and Jiralhanae more dangerous, but it’s more based on type, not individual, and even then it depends.

[prime mauve]

With the Brutes I felt like the health amounts did match their hype

Chak Lok and Jega less so

[carmine sleet]

I didn't mind Chak taunting Chief over the large hologram though. That was nice and I wouldn't mind seeing more of that in Halo 7

[modest marsh]

There are kind of “boss fight” moments that have happened in halo’s fiction but usually the circumstances around them rather than the abilities and personality of the opponent are what make the encounter important

[prime mauve]

Giving them more health to make the fights last long enough to have dialogue was nice at least

[obsidian thistle]

I'm just thankful gameplay = Non-canon so weird health doesn't factor into stuff lol

[modest marsh]

They could make it work diegetically

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah but that’s kind of what I mean.

Logically speaking no one would ever really allow that kind of banter, they wouldn’t have the energy, necessarily.

It’s ludonarrative dissonance.

(Which is fine, to be clear)

[modest marsh]

I’d go as far as to say Halo was originally pretty innovative in terms of making its combat “feel” realistic in spite of its arcadey contrivances

[carmine sleet]

You know, I think funnily enough, the Parg Vol fight from Spartan Ops is exactly what I want from other named characters we might fight in gameplay in future games

Like, we fight him exactly like every other enemy

Do wish he had unique armour colours though, just to make him stand out a bit more

[modest marsh]

Something that shouldn’t be taken for granted is the fact that Halo, much like other fictional settings, plays fast and loose with realism insofar as what is plausible, with TFOR itself depicting the teenage Spartan-IIs denting and warping metal armor plates with their bare fists and outpacing computer controlled targeting systems

The Flood ratchet this up further because what they’re doing is effectively reconstituting organic matter into its idealized format for whatever purpose they’re trying to accomplish

A flood infected human is physically on par or even superior to a Spartan in mjolnir armor

Aesthetically they might look like they’re rotting and thus fragile or something but in reality they are a perfected anatomical weapon or tool for a being that far outstrips the understanding of any mortal being

One of the first things we see the flood do is a swarm of infection forms smashes open a door that previously was stated to require explosives to blast open, and intuitively that speaks volumes to the physical abilities of actual combat forms

[crimson oak]

“By the dozens” that’s way too low. If they were relying on pew pew weapons, for comparison we already have weapons like the M16 Vulcan with a 6,000 RPM fire rate. If you had a flying Promethean with 100 of these strapped on itself, it could have a kill rate of 100 million flood per minute if they were arranged like grass on a field. 10,000 of these prometheans would be killing 60 trillion flood per hour.

Also if these flood are mostly civilians, the amount of flood that can actually retaliate would also be small.

[crimson oak]

Weren’t they assisted by computers though? I’m not sure they were operating totally on their own. The comparison was probably when the targeting systems were operating automatically vs when the Spartans are working with them

[prime mauve]

Civilians would not be used as combat forms for very long, if at all. They could be combat forms for the short term, but when trillions of people are infected the Flood is at a much higher level than what we have encountered so far

[modest marsh]

“Yes. The trainers in those exoskeletons can run at thirty-two KPH, lift two tons, and have a thirty-millimeter minigun mounted on self-targeting armatures—stun rounds, of course. They’re also equipped with the latest motion sensors and IR scopes. And needless to say, their armor is impervious to standard light weapons. It would take two or three platoons of conventional Marines to take that bunker.”

…

The trainers turned and fired at the shadow, but it moved with almost supernatural quickness. Even the self-targeting systems couldn’t track it.

…

The last guard on the bunker turned to fire at John. Halsey gripped the edge of her chair. “He’s at point-blank range! Even stun rounds can kill at that distance!”

As the guard’s gun fired, John sidestepped. The stun rounds slashed through the air, a clean miss. John grabbed the weapon’s armature—twisted—and with a screech of stressed metal, wrenched it free of the exoskeleton. He fired directly into the man’s chest and sent him tumbling off the bunker.

The point here is that the Spartans biologically on their own are already overpowering the most sophisticated combat exoskeleton they have available besides Mjolnir

It’s a very anime-coded scene

[crimson oak]

So what were the flood infested forerunner cities turned into? Because I’d guess prometheans were mostly only used against ground based infestations since anything else other than that would just be space battles

[modest marsh]

They were used for ship killing, which we see depicted in halo 4 itself

They’re shown to be able to swarm ships and penetrate their hull to destroy them from the inside

[crimson oak]

Yes, but most ship engagements were extremely long range

[prime mauve]

Graveminds and, when the world was sufficiently infected, pure forms that would wildly outperform the Halo 3 forms

Basically the Halo Wars pureforms on steroids

The Prometheans would probably still perform well against those

Juggernauts and other big boys would probably also show up

[modest marsh]

That loses all meaning in the context of ship battles that occur as massive causality violation due to rapid slipspace jumps and relativistic real space velocities

They can teleport across astronomical distances near instantaneously

[crimson oak]

Didn’t they have cybernetic implants though? So they were not completely biological

[modest marsh]

The only relevant synthetic material was the ceramic coating on their bones

Their muscle tissues are synthetically enhanced, but purely in terms of fiber density and protein structure

They’re still made out of the same “stuff” we are

Of course, it’s possible HS will retroactively apply additional synthetic organs to the IIs and IIIs like the IVs have

As of right now, it basically just PED treatments

[wispy pewter]

If those exoskeletons can provide such benefits to normal humans why aren’t they standard issue

[crimson oak]

When I asked if these forms were mostly infected civilians, I meant the flood not possessing advanced forerunner weapons because I don’t see even pure forms being able to target prometheans since I’m assuming with how advanced their technology were, are moving way faster than our fastest missiles which at Mach 20+

[prime mauve]

Like, them riding a War Sphinx?

[crimson oak]

That but also on their own I thought they could fly

[modest marsh]

This is addressed, they’re impractical to field in virtually any context

They have advantages in the very specific circumstances of encountering light infantry in a close quarters environment where they have a defensive posture

The main reason is they lack the power generation to be deployed anywhere without being tethered to an external supply

Later developments in compact energy generation has made that more viable, but is also extremely costly for such a specialized and niche weapon system

[prime mauve]

They got thrusters but they seem more for EVA combat and for landing safely to ground when deployed from heights

[modest marsh]

Also, light infantry can do things like enter confined spaces or maneuver around concealment

Spartans have the benefit of wearing an exoskeleton that is relatively compact for the degree of enhancement and protection it offers, but even they have occasional problems with regards to size and weight constraints

[prime mauve]

They generally get very lucky with weight

Like sinking in a swampy environment or plummeting through a plywood floor really would be embarrassing for the Chief

[icy yoke]

Spartans comes to weight are rather odd. Maneuvers standpoint they are heavy. A Spartan is 200-300 lbs and MJOLNIR weighs over 300 kg average

Distributed that weight on feet even size 30 shoes

More issue sensors determine what environment can support your weight.

[sleek furnace]

The halo universe sucks blog it

[coarse hamlet]

shows up
"halo universe sucks"
leaves

[vagrant ocean]

Not me genuinely feeling superior to people who think the Insurrectionists were 100% justified.

[prime mauve]

I don't think anyone was 100% justified in Halo except maybe the Marines that teased Johnson for his old music

[vagrant ocean]

They don’t know peak.

[prime mauve]

Also the Huragok, those boys are alright and I forgive them of any wrongdoing

[orchid kettle]

[dusk jetty]

Universe so bad two of its games are the 1 and 2 spot best sellers on og Xbox and 360

If I sent something this dumb I’d leave too ngl

[vagrant ocean]

He prolly prefers COD or Killzone.

[stoic hamlet]

Don’t diss Killzone like that. D:

Shadowfall sure.

But 1, 2, and to a lesser extent 3 are great games.

Mercenary’s not bad either.

[vagrant ocean]

It is a dead franchise tho. As much as people say Halo is dead they have no idea what kind of pain KZ fans are in.

[modest marsh]

It’s probably on the list of things to inevitably get the remake/reboot treatment

[coarse hamlet]

If they would just put killzone and resistance on steam or gog ;-;

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah but comparing it to COD is just offensive.

[fair hazel]

did i miss something or are the halo chronicles volume 1 delayed

[prime mauve]

When were they planned to release?

Honestly I don't really like them so far so I wasn't looking forward to the compilation and wouldn't know the release date

[fair hazel]

I thought it was march

[vagrant ocean]

It’s always been May.

[vagrant ocean]

I wonder what the pop punk scene is like in the 26th century.

[brittle bear]

Dead. Gone. Except Paramore for some reason

That’s what my money’s on

[vagrant ocean]

I bet Green Day is somehow still popular.

[dusk jetty]

If Queen is alive green day has a shot

[warm ridge]

pinging cause I assume this is important to you but -

between August & September of 2025, the Simon & Schuster website was updated to say the book would be releasing May 26th, 2026 instead of March, 2026.
The Amazon listing was also updated to match this new date.

It's never been officially acknowledged by Halo Studios at all, although the latest Canon Fodder from 18 days ago (Parasites Cake), had Alex Wakeford saying we'd learn more about the book later this year.
So, if the delay wasn't real, that wouldn't of made much sense to say cause the book should be releasing next month. Not later this year aka May.

[obsidian thistle]

If its not said by Halo Studios or S&S in a official statement.

Assume all dates are placeholder

[warm ridge]

well the only official date acknowledged by Halo Studios was March, 2026 🤷‍♂️

https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/halo-waypoint-chronicles-volume-one-cover-reveal
7 months ago "Coming in March 2026".

Simon & Schuster says "Publisher: Gallery Books (May 26, 2026)" on the website though so Idk.
under "Product details"
https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Halo-Waypoint-Chronicles/Jeff-Easterling/Halo/9781668215227

just gotta wait and see what happens

[fair hazel]

I guess there was a delay and yeah I found that but you beat me to posting it

i had that in my mind for a while

[warm ridge]

The only hint of acknowledge honestly seems to be from Alex Wakeford on the last canon fodder article. So I guess the delay is official.

[prime mauve]

I think the last few books got delayed too

Unless I am misremembering

[somber idol]

KZ fans exist..?

[somber idol]

The next book look really cool

[stoic hamlet]

Yes? It was a very popular franchise for many years.

[somber idol]

Its just a joke

[stoic hamlet]

Sorry, lol

[somber idol]

Don't take me too seriously 🤭

[prime mauve]

Parasite's Wake? YESSSSS

[stoic hamlet]

In a heated argument on another server, I think it’s spilling into my other messages.

[somber idol]

At least something that look promessing

[prime mauve]

Parasite's Wake seems to have everything I could want for a side story for CE. It builds on The Flood and it stars the unsung badass Marvin Mobuto AND his squad so it might have a strong cast and a war story like Dirt (probably my favorite of the short stories so far, though the Mona Lisa is a close second)

Like remember the whole "the tv show should have been Band of Brothers with ODSTs" argument that has been repeated and memed on for years? Dirt is one story that really could have worked for something like that. And Parasite's Wake could be even better for something like that.

[stoic hamlet]

Halo desperately needs more side stories involving other characters.

Some of its best stories have been about “random” characters without any connection to the big stuff.

Like Dirt, Breaking Strain, etc.

[prime mauve]

A Marine centric story like this has been a long time coming!

[somber idol]

The universe has so much potential like this next book but they prefered to take some Time to make book about useless char

Well that's what i think after all but anyway

[stoic hamlet]

One of the series biggest issues is that it’s wide as an ocean but deep as a puddle, because we only skim the surface and focus on the same tired characters.

[prime mauve]

I wouldn't call Mobuto useless. Futile, maybe, because he couldn't survive the Library. Definitely tragic.

[somber idol]

No i'm thinking about past book

Like for example Outcast i think this one was about Vale ?

[stoic hamlet]

Vale’s definitely not useless either.

[prime mauve]

Outcasts had Vale and the Arbiter and to a lesser extent Atriox as protagonists

[stoic hamlet]

The issue with Outcasts was it bait-and-switched partway through IMO.

[prime mauve]

My main gripe with Outcasts was that they didn't give Arby enough people to fight

[stoic hamlet]

I described it in my Reddit thread as “having a chocolate cake presented to you but then halfway through it gets swapped for cherry pie.”

And I like both things, but I was really engrossed in my cake.

[prime mauve]

He defeated a swordsman that seemed to be pretty much his equal and got him to switch sides but on the other hand you had Vale giving the stranded Elites a lesson in CQC, Big Boss style.

And also the LARGE ODST straight up ripping an Elite's mandible

[stoic hamlet]

Modern halo media tends to focus a lot more on the esoterica, and that’s all well and good, but it tends to sideline the modern day plots and universe.

[prime mauve]

Arby is in the cover, give him some combat feats too!

Also the bounty hunter guy deserved getting some comeuppance, he betrayed everyone pretty blatantly and could have used a beat down.

[prime mauve]

Yeah and sometimes it really works, like Epitaph's whole deal, and in Outcasts I think it was a strong moment, especially with the interaction with the Netherop ||Precursors|| that was inspired by Denning's experience in his heart surgery (which was what delayed this one book)

[carmine sleet]

Ok, I didn't know that specific bit was inspired by his heart surgery

[minor sky]

Doesn't Killzone 1 collapse under its own framerate?

[vagrant ocean]

It was also marketed as Sony’s answer to Halo.

[prime mauve]

Never played it but the Helghast do have extremely cool kit ngl

[stoic hamlet]

Not by the developers, though.

[vagrant ocean]

Well, we all know who is truly in charge of marketing.

[vagrant ocean]

It’s basically the Wolf Brigade from Jin-Roh.

[stoic hamlet]

Great anime, btw. Highly recommend it.

[prime mauve]

Jin-Roh is such a load bearing story ngl

[modest marsh]

the irony of ratchet and clank being the real halo competitor from the devs' point of view after the first one

[prime mauve]

Up there with Akira imo

[stoic hamlet]

The opening 12-ish minutes are still one of my favourite sequences. It’s just dripping with flavour.

[carmine sleet]

https://youtu.be/WrEjSfhRdlQ

[vagrant ocean]

I have the trilogy, still haven’t opened it.

[prime mauve]

Real

[old pebble]

What victories did the UNSC achieve during the war that didn't end with the Covenant returning afterward and glassing the planet? (looking at you Harvest)

Cuz the average UNSC vs Covenant battle was pretty much "We lost 67 Ships to destroy two Covenant Phantoms"

[fair hazel]

Concord's one

[prime mauve]

Preston Cole's last stand definitely counts

Over 300 Covenant ships destroyed with just 70 UNSC ships lost, and no human colony involved to get glassed later

[stoic hamlet]

Sigma Octanus IV is a big one.

The battle of The Rubble.

On a technicality Onyx

Earth, Mars, the Jupiter ahd Saturnine moons.

Tribute, kind of.

Boundary, apparently.

[modest marsh]

Chi Ceti

[old pebble]

Samuel got smoked but, ye

[prime mauve]

Operation Silent Storm was also really successful, though it was more an ONI op

Than Navy

[modest marsh]

The commonwealth took a beating but otherwise a decisive victory

[prime mauve]

A bit sad it ended up in the boneyard in Reach

[stoic hamlet]

Atlas. Ariel, Cappela. Ballast, Criterion, Circincus, Erdenet, Jastolo, are all colonies attacked but not glassed through various stages of the War.

[modest marsh]

Nah that is a pretty optimistic outcome considering

In service for ~50 years and still mostly intact? I’ll take it

[minor sky]

Trove in Halo Wars 1

[prime mauve]

I feel it's sad because it couldn't be recycled in time to live on in spirit

[prime mauve]

That's true

[modest marsh]

Ngl there’s a good chance it’s superstructure is still in one piece, just buried in lechatelierite

[prime mauve]

I think it would be a neat easter egg if a frigate in a future book had some pieces made of the Commonwealth's titanium that did get processed before the glassing

Especially if it was for patching up Infinity or something notable

[modest marsh]

Glassing is very good at reducing soil into glass, but unless an energy projector was directly striking the hull its unlikely to have melted

[prime mauve]

Or even better using it for a diplomatic ship to Sanghelios or something. Using the metal of a first contact ship to make a ship that leads the future would be poetic.

[minor sky]

Oh that'd be rad

[old pebble]

Well, it was never said that Eternity was discontinued, only that some of its resources were used to repair Infinity, i guess they could've used the Commonwealth to continue the construction

[old pebble]

"Yeah Now Give It To Some ONI Officer"

[prime mauve]

"The titanium for this hangar door was sourced from UNSC Commonwealth, decommissioned 2552. The bathroom next to it from UNSC Eternity aka the parts kit of legends."

[prime mauve]

"Hello I am Ambassador John Smith. No I have no idea what the Mona Lisa is lol. Also, how would you like some food? I promise you it's super safe to eat."

[stoic hamlet]

Technically it wasn’t a first contact ship. There were several engagements before the Commonwealth encountered the Covenant at Chi Cheti.

It was just the first time the Commonwealth had encountered Covenant forces.

[prime mauve]

Yeah fair enough

Still I think any ship that survived the first year of the war after having been in harms way has a special merit

[vagrant ocean]

First Battle of Arcadia.

[vagrant ocean]

I don’t see Eternity entering service for at least another decade.

Most of her systems were cannibalized to refit and repair the Infinity and the UNSC is still quite scattered atm.

I wouldn’t be shocked if she’s just a wireframe superstructure atm.

If that.

And this is assuming that whatever potential AI working at Special Assembly Plant Concord didn’t go rogue and sell out its human compatriots.

[wispy pewter]

that was like in pre 2552 wasnt it

8 years has passed

[sleek vigil]

We Halo fans love using the word 'Brutalism' quite a lot, yet even a moderate observation of the Forerunner architecture reveals that it is not Brutalist and it never was.

The Forerunner architecture is fundamentally anti-Brutalist in its ethos despite the superficial 'raw, exposed concrete' aesthetics, as it subverts the fundamental ideal of Le Corbusier's philosophy core — béton brut.

Brutalism can be somewhat of an 'all or not' philosophy. If there are to be any ornamentation, it must be the by-product of the building condition itself — something that came into existance because the materials were used in a certain way, not because someone intentionally added silver and golden flourishes for exuberance.

Form follows function, but as one comes to understand, the Forerunners did not build purely for function; they built for power, for pride, for exuberance, for transcendance.

A 'Space Cathedral' that is 'Brutalist' would be an oxymoron. Futurist Monumentalism not to be confused with Brutalism.

[minor sky]

Elaborate on that last detail?

I have found the brutalism comparison to only half true. Like, there is undoubtedly a lot of simularities but the look of the Forerunners doesn't quite hit that mark

Especially when Halo 2, and especially Halo 3 pushed further away from the design of Halo CE

There are plenty of times I have looked at irl buildings and thought to myself how parts of them look like Halo structures though lmao

[vagrant ocean]

That was literally a month before H5G.

[minor sky]

If Infinity has gone missing or was even destroyed, I suspect ONI would want the Eternity to get more attention

[vagrant ocean]

The issue is that she’s still a shell by 2558, I doubt they can get her fully built in under 3 years.

[minor sky]

Right

But I can see it showing up or being mentioned somewhere else

[vagrant ocean]

It’d be a better use of materials to repair and upgrade existing assets such as the scare amount of Punic and Valiant super vessels.

[minor sky]

Less as a Deus Ex Machina ramming into Banished ships and more as a small reference that ONI is working on it or something

[vagrant ocean]

Or to manufacture more picket style vessels.

[vagrant ocean]

Even then, from what I can gather ONI isn’t really in charge much anymore, and it’s the actual military that’s doing the work these days. I’d blame that on the sanitation efforts following the Reclamation and the destruction of several ONI stations by the Created.

[minor sky]

Cortana did it! She blew up the deep-state!/j

Actually, on that note, were the Created at all aware of Anvil Station?

[vagrant ocean]

I don’t think so. I remember reading somewhere that Anvil Station didn’t have an AI caretaker to encourage cooperation between the personnel.

I was correct

It was mentioned in a Canon Fodder.

[vagrant ocean]

Like, I know that TECHNICALLY Al-Cygni is an ONI operative she seems to be more of an actual admiral than Osman or Parangosky ever were.

[minor sky]

Oh right, duh. I just listened to Anvil Accord the other day

[vagrant ocean]

I legit pulled this out of my tuchus.

And I was right.

Dang I love my autism sometimes.

Yeah I think the design of Anvil is what saved it compared to places like Laconia.

It also could help them in terms of standard combat thanks to them potentially developing forms of hybrid combat using Spartan and Sangheili martial arts.

It is speculated that Naxos and Virgo suffered the same fate as Laconia as Leonidas was onboard them as well.

There is a fifth station that was commanded by acting COSSPAR Jun-A266 but it is unknown if it’s still active.

At the moment A266 is currently the highest ranking Spartan in the branch.

However due to the unknown status of S-104, S-117 is the highest ranking Spartan-II still active.

Interestingly enough, the highest ranking Spartan-II that was successfully augmented or rehabilitated is S-051 who held the rank of Lieutenant Commander, meaning he outranked even the Chief in 2552.

[sleek vigil]

I added additional detail.

[minor sky]

Thanks! I really like the "Space Cathedral that is Brutalist" analogy. Though I would argue that there is maybe a difference in tone with certain structures that shy away from the angle of "pride"

A lot of areas do carry a very "tombstone" sort of feeling. Though plenty of that can be blamed upon the atmostphere or lore surrounding the Halo rings

Still, very good argument

While I take issue with some of the finer details, I do think Requiem did sell the grand scale of the Forerunners at their peak

The reveal of the floating towers is one of the best moments in the series (and one of the best uses of Neil Davidge's score)

[stoic hamlet]

Kurt was part of the initial augmentation wave, and was augmented successfully.

He wasn’t a rehabilitation.

But yeah, he’s technically the highest ranked S-II.

(Jerome is a Commander, but that’s a brevet promotion and more title than official rank, in his case, akin to how, for example, the highest ranking officer on a ship/the one in charge is always addressed as captain, even if they’re only an ensign, or lieutenant.)

[warm ridge]

I'm pretty sure that belongs to Serin Osman aka S-019, not S-051. She was a Spartan-II who was rehabilitated, now she's a Admiral & head of ONI.

[sleek vigil]

I believe intention matter. Brutalism does not intend on creating any specific 'mood', it's moreso about radical honesty of it's material. Forerunner architecture, even 'tombstone' ones, carry some kind of unknown significance - that they are more than functional and honest piece of architecture.

[minor sky]

True

[sleek vigil]

For a much more accurate depiction of Brutalism, I would point towards Reach City from Halo: The Television Series: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/04Xm6y

[minor sky]

I do dig the design of the city, even if the name is uninspired

[sleek vigil]

It has a major 'pre-planned corporate-contracted settlement' appearance going on.

You could argue that name makes sense for the kind of city I Imagie it is.

[minor sky]

Sure, I just think it is kind of uninteresting

[sleek vigil]

For sure.

Esztergom is mentioned few times, although we never see it

[minor sky]

The TV Series does have a ton of small Easter Eggs pop up

[sleek vigil]

There is a certain liminal beauty to the city, even if might feel oppressive standing there.

[minor sky]

which makes it kind of funny when the main plot of the show fails to be representative of the games and their characters

[sleek vigil]

I think you'd appreciate this: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/RykxoD

[minor sky]

mhm. A lot of the buildings do feel like they'd fit in New Mombasa

[sleek vigil]

I have all these obscure images saved, been wanting to upload them to Halopedia for a while.

[sleek vigil]

True, but they occasionally grasp the concepts and do it quite well. For example, the topic of luck was handled quite well in season 2, I would say.

[minor sky]

though I do think a few lean too far away from that grounded feel

https://www.halopedia.org/Reach_City#/media/File:HTV_ReachCity_Architecture_Concept_2.png

[sleek vigil]

I've seen it. Quite interesting.

They also translated the Forerunner designs well: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/9EvoZv

[minor sky]

My issue has a little less to do with the shape of the structure and more to do with how they go about making it look like, y'know, a building

[minor sky]

absolutely

[sleek vigil]

I see

In any case, the WHITE TOWER is canon.

[minor sky]

I will admit that I don't know if I care for the EPCOT-esq layout of the city

[sleek vigil]

It's shaped like an Octagon?

[minor sky]

The single shape, pseudo-mega structure layout to be more specific

[sleek vigil]

Ah I see.

It does make the settlement appear more larger than New Alexandria.

If you noticed it, you'd see they quietly redesigned rgf buildings in season 2 to resemble New Alexandria.

[minor sky]

I find it more interesting for cities to be designed around their environments rather than against them

[sleek vigil]

I would agree with that, but both Reach City and New Alexandria reject it.

[minor sky]

New Alexandria, from what I can gather, does seem to be more built around the land it is on

I can't find a proper overhead view of the city, but this concept art from Issac Hannaford seems to be fairly close to the final version

https://www.halopedia.org/New_Alexandria_(location)#/media/File:HR_NAGlassingConcept.jpg

[minor sky]

Also, yeah this looks great. I love how it shows off the devastation done to the planet's environment

Everything in New Alexandria seems to be seated right between the mountain range and the shore line. It reminds me a bit of Hong Kong and how that city relies heavily on vertical structures to make up for the smaller amount of land

[vagrant ocean]

She wasn’t really rehabilitated, as she never served as a Spartan.

[vagrant ocean]

Key word there is OR.

[prime mauve]

Osman just had her augs interrupted when she started showing rejection to them and didn't end up getting them all. She only got partial upgrades before she had to stop.

[vagrant ocean]

Correct

Her injures were repaired but rehabilitation in this context implies she was brought to combat status.

[prime mauve]

And as far as I recall we haven't seen Osman firing a weapon in anger like ever. Unless we count torpedoing allied ships...

[vagrant ocean]

Imo she’s basically Ephialtes of Trachis.

I don’t think she’s fired a weapon since basic.

[prime mauve]

I think that she is implied to have been more of a case officer than an operations officer in ONI. Running agents and collecting info and the like.

Even as leader of Kilo 5 she was management and not labor

[vagrant ocean]

Exactly. She’s a desk jockey, and the worst kind of desk jockey.

Like, RA Musa Ghanem at least did something that helped humanity. He made the Spartan-IVs.

Osman decided to screw over our only allies after the war.

[prime mauve]

That kind of was ONI policy at the time so I'd say the buck there still stopped with Parangosky, and that other movements by the UNSC and ONI in later years walked back on that early policy, with stuff like assassinating Telcam and generally angling for the destruction of the groups that were actual outright threats like the Keepers, and also the implied support for stuff like the Anvil initiative and Elites aboard the Infinity (even if it was more about ONI not sabotaging those efforts)

[vagrant ocean]

It’s why I always separate ONI from the UNSC.

Because ONI has on several occasions actively sabotaged UNSC efforts.

[prime mauve]

But yeah Kilo 5's mission against the Swords was just silly. The entire universe was NOT giving our boy a chance to even give the alliance a try.

Telcam and the Servants were radicalized, arming up and on a warpath less than a month after Thel got back from the Ark.

ONI I could get it if they explicitly went "The Arbiter is a pal now but he was killing billions of humans four months ago. And our only other high ranking friend in the Swords glassed a good chunk of Earth. And their culture of assassination is concerning. And we know the number three guy could be an enemy." But personally I'd see that as all the more reason to stick up for Thel in all ways and keep him in power

[vagrant ocean]

Especially since that the Kaidon appeared to be extremely dedicated to reform.

If anything that should be encouraged

Not sabotaged.

[prime mauve]

Yeah

[vagrant ocean]

But then again something like reform would terrify ONI.

[prime mauve]

I do think ONI later does shift to better support that. Maybe it was Operation Far Storm that finally got it into their thick heads

Like by the time we get to 2558 the relationship is definitely stronger, even with the mistrust every once in a while

[vagrant ocean]

Took them five years meanwhile the UNSC was dealing with the direct result of their screwup.

“So you’re telling me that is destabilizing the traditional leader of a culture led to a species-wide civil war that is now affecting our colonies?”

[prime mauve]

"Hey in our defense he didn't seem like he'd be the traditional leader for too long and also Remember Reach."
"Parangosky you can't say Remember Reach every time there is a more complex argument like you are Cato the Elder saying Carthago Delenda Est."
"Yes I can. I am 187 years old."

[vagrant ocean]

Marge trying to pull the Reach card when she was sucking down soufflé in Sydney.

[prime mauve]

Lmaooo

"I am a survivor I will have you know!"
"...really, ma'am?"
"I fell off my chair and I couldn't get up so I used my LifeAlert and sent an ODST platoon to save me."
"Thank you for your sacrifice."

[vagrant ocean]

“SERIN!!! I NEED MY BONE SUPPLEMENTS!!!”

“JUST CALL A VICE ADMIRAL TO GET IT FOR YOU!! I’M BUSY SUBVERTING UNSC POLICY!!!”

[stoic hamlet]

I mean, tbf to ONI, that civil war would have happened anyways.

I highly doubt Kilo-5 giving Telcam’s group…. A few cases of Plasma rifles actually massively affected their weapons stores.

[vagrant ocean]

Didn’t ONI also frag a few SoS vessels?

[prime mauve]

At least one

[warm ridge]

Rehabilitate = restore (someone) to health or normal life by training and therapy after imprisonment, addiction, or illness.

Also, she was still classified as a Spartan even if she never did any missions alongside the others. She had to hide her identity to prevent people from linking her to the program as well aka people knowing she was a former Spartan.

She did have her health fully restored after becoming a wash out & was put directly into ONI. AKA Rehabilitated.

[vagrant ocean]

This is just an argument of semantics. She didn’t hide her identity, her handler Marge did. No one is gonna piss off the pet of the most powerful woman in the UEG. Osman was not brought to operational capacity as a Spartan. She’s technically one due to being conscripted, but the minute she was taken in by Marge she ceased to be part of NAVSPECWEP which is the structure for Spartans.

If she’s a Spartan, so is C-095.

The wiki doesn’t consider her to be successfully rehabbed, so neither do I.

Especially since on official records she’s dead, not unlike Team BLACK.

[warm ridge]

She didn’t hide her identity, her handler Marge did.
Entirely unimportant. She hid her identity, and kept hiding it while inside of ONI.
Someone other than me and the select few in ONI knows who I am.
To this day the only people who ever knew about it was Black Box, Margaret, Naomi, and a handful of other people tops. (one's that aren't already dead anyways).

I mean if what you're arguing is semantics sure, but the stuff I'm telling you isn't semantics at all.
I’ve always been a spy in a blue suit. She’d never felt like a real naval officer. ONI had taken custody of her as a fourteen-year-old, educated her, put her through the ONI commanders’ program, and reinvented her. She’d deployed in ONI’s fleet before, but she’d never had day-to-day command of a ship. Now she was going to find out the hard way if she could cut it.

Osman was not brought to operational capacity as a Spartan
No one's arguing this, because it's not relevant.

The wiki doesn’t consider her to be successfully rehabbed
It does, because Grasslands directly states she was repaired, which is what being rehabilitated means.

[plain mesa]

In future Halo games does anyone think there will be more forerunner vehicles? all we got was the phaeton in halo 5.

[thorn spindle]

Yea

[prime mauve]

War Sphinxes would be cool

[plain mesa]

Definitely lets hope they do it on Halo 7 if there is one in the works? War Sphinxes feels like the forerunner Mantis plus air capability like some sort of Forerunner Iron Man.

[prime mauve]

I think they could be more like a Broadsword or a Sabre fighter based on what they look like
https://www.halopedia.org/War_sphinx#/media/File%3AEnc22_WarSphinx.png

[modest marsh]

this isnt to say that gameplay elements are beholden to lore accuracy but i feel like a war sphinx would be impossible to abstract as a drivable vehicle without making it feel dramatically nerfed from what its supposed to be

[plain mesa]

True but it does say this in the Halopedia's first line. War Sphinxes were midsize Forerunner fighting suits used during the time of the Human-Forerunner wars.

So it must have had both ground and air capability.

[prime mauve]

You are right, maybe the legs fold somehow and I am not seeing them

[plain mesa]

Think of it as a Mantis on Steroroids lol.

[prime mauve]

It probably walks faster and more fluidly. More like a Titanfall titan.

[warm ridge]

Way, way bigger then that.

[warm ridge]

Just for comparison sake -
Halo Mantis =
9 ft 3 inches long
19 ft wide
18 ft 6 inches tall

War Sphinx =
65 ft 7 inches long
40 ft wide
32 ft 10 inches tall.

Titanfall Titans =
We don't have exact data on this, but guesstimates place them anywhere from -
24 ft tall all the way to 33 ft tall depending on which Titan chasis we're talking about.

[prime mauve]

I was thinking more about their locomotion than their size and how Titans really walk where the Mantis is much stiffer but thanks for the analysis anyway.

[warm ridge]

The fluidity would be unnatural looking is the point. It's highly advanced Forerunner tech that's far better then anything the UNSC or Covenant can operate.

think the advanced Terminators, but taller, bigger, and more deadly. Also capable of flight, & space travel.

oh and they could merge together, operating as a single unit.

[coarse hamlet]

war sphinx just barely shy of the elephant, unsc keep winning

[plain mesa]

Damn thats big probably as big as a guardian? or i could compare it to the mech's from Neon Genesis Evangelion.

add the Terminator Logic

[coarse hamlet]

the fandom page on guardians gives a length of 1.4 kilometers(i assume thats wingtip to wingtip?)

evangelions bounce in size in the show depending on what looks good for the scene but the low end is 40ish meters
in rebuilld they're consistently 80ish

[prime mauve]

Halopedia has that as its height

[coarse hamlet]

anyone got the warfleet book?

[prime mauve]

Yes! Are you looking for a specific page?

[coarse hamlet]

yes! 88 and 89, looking for how the book phrases the size of the guardians

[prime mauve]

I'll go look for them

[coarse hamlet]

thankyou

[prime mauve]

Would you also like the screenshots? I can dm them, seems like we can't post images here

It says: "Length: 1,413 meters"

[coarse hamlet]

i think image posting is a role given after youve posted a whole bunch, yeah id appreciate it my dms should be open

[prime mauve]

Gotta keep on posting then!

[coarse hamlet]

think im in the hundreds of posts and the people i see with the role are in the tens of thousands so uh... i wish you well on that great journey

(assuming that is in fact how the role is gotten, theyve never actually specified how to my knowledge)

[prime mauve]

Has the narrator for the Waypoint Chronicles compilation audiobook been announced?

I haven't been a fan (to put mildly) of the short stories and was thinking of giving them another chance in audiobook form. Maybe more for completion's sake than anything else.

But I really, really hated the narration in the audio versions posted to youtube. The narrator gets way too close to the mic and is far too breathy.

So if the compilation has old reliable Scott Brick or someone like that I might check it out

[plain mesa]

Did you all know in Halo 3 the Cortana mission we got that didn't live up to everyones expectations used to be a Halo 3 version of Halo 2's High Charity before it was replaced by the crashed flood covenant cruiser from floodgate?

Also in the cut version you could fight undead flood versions of the past arbiter's before Thel Vadamee and also somehow make a damaged Scarab walk to The Mosuleum (correct me if wrong) and blow it up collapsing the Mosuleum and killing the Gravemind by it falling on him.

Different to the result we got in the final game but alas it wasn't meant to be.

[merry grove]

fighting the old arbiters converted by the flood sounds like a cool idea.

such a shame that so many things were cut from halo 2 and halo 3.

but still legendary games.

[prime mauve]

Given their role was to die for the Prophets I wonder how many of those Arbiters would be in any condition to fight us even with the Flood reanimating them?

[unique rune]

probably not many

most of them were probably empty if anything

[prime mauve]

Gravemind: "This iconic firefight needs to happen. Twenty of you, Elite Combat Forms, are gonna go there and put on the armor, then get into the sarcophagi, and jump at the Chief and the current Arbiter. I'll slow em down with an unskippable Cortana vision. Prank em, boys!"

[merry grove]

i mean. even infected, it's still the flood, right?

[prime mauve]

I just don't think most Arbiter corpses would have ended up whole to be buried there

[plain mesa]

There are approximately 182 Arbiters buried at the Mouselium.

i just searched it

182 caskets that could have been reanimated.

[prime mauve]

But like does each one have a complete, preserved corpse that wouldn't just be a skeleton by then?

Also what would they do with for example Ripa's spot there? Put a placeholder? Just a representative armor?

[plain mesa]

They are preserved in the stasis pods we see in there

[plain mesa]

more likely put on Ice or preserved in another way.

[prime mauve]

Mummified maybe?

[plain mesa]

Probably?

[prime mauve]

That'd be a badass look for the Flood...now I really wish we got that battle

[plain mesa]

Maybe eventually when they get to the Halo 3 remake which will be years from now hopefully as they are doing Campaign Evolved now we could petition for it maybe if many fans are on board they will enjoy Cortana even more and i'd love to battle about 182 Arbiters if it's not too overwhelming? maybe spread out over the map? instead of all 182 being in the mauselium.

[prime mauve]

I think they could easily throw at least a tenth of that at us without it becoming too overwhelming and still be a boss fight

[plain mesa]

Maybe? but it will be a great prelude to the Gravemind boss fight if that ever happened to collapse the Mauselium on him. by blowing up a damaged scarab cortana controls.

There is evidence of unused scripts and unvoiced and bit of the environment that looks like a Halo 3 version of High Charity though minimal, my guess Bungie's time ran short and we got the stressful level of Cortana level instead?

[unique rune]

yeah this is kind of the big problem with the Arbiter thing since like
they were expected to die on their missions? and given the stakes usually associated a good number of them were probably just unrecoverable

most of the caskets were probably just symbolic and didn't actually contain anything

[plain mesa]

Maybe so, but it kept me wondering how that worst level apparently most people say would have been one of the best levels if Bungie had more time.

[unique rune]

I doubt it

[plain mesa]

But it's a "what if" hopefully if there is a halo 3 remake one day we could potentially see what would have been?

[unique rune]

probably not

if 343/HS remade Halo 3 without it being exactly faithful to Halo 3 they would get crucified

[vagrant ocean]

They could deliver a 1:1 remake of H3 and still get crucified.

[unique rune]

this is also true

[plain mesa]

The reason i say this is because of Halo Campaign Evolved and the new content cofirmed that wasn't in combat evolved so you could say they could be "so called" crucified for that?

[unique rune]

the new content is stuff added onto Halo CE
not massively altering what was already there

[vagrant ocean]

No. People are like, disturbingly obsessed with H3.

[plain mesa]

Plus the 3 prequel missions

[unique rune]

frankly I think trying to fix an all-Flood mission especially with the way Halo 3's Flood and weapon sandbox function is just a farce in general because all-Flood missions just tend to be terrible unless you have the CE shotgun and Magnum

looking back at the canned High Charity mission concept I think it probably would've been worse than the mission we did get because a huge chunk of progression through it would've been tied to the Scarab setpiece

Halo 2's "stand on a gondola/elevator and survive" sections were awful and I can't imagine this Scarab section being any better

[plain mesa]

You can't say that for certain all we're basing this on is conjecture, and Bungie given their little time had to make do with what they had at the time so my guess it would have been at least better than what we got.

[unique rune]

I mean, sure, but nobody can definitively say it would be better either

I'm just going off of what was in a previous Halo title and how Halo 3 ended up working and trying to extrapolate from that and neither of these datapoints gives me any confidence that what is essentially getting stuck on a gondola fighting off waves of Halo 3 Flood would be any better than running through the confusing meat hallways and butthole doors of the Cortana we did get

at least with the Cortana that ended up in the game my pace is dictated by me (barring the horrible pace-destroying visions that they thought were a good idea) and not a slow-moving platform

[stoic hamlet]

I think the Gondola was the best iteration of that.

Mainly because it wasn’t in a closed space.

[carmine sleet]

To add to this, the Scarabs in Halo 3 are good for a player to board and destroy, but are not at all designed with the idea of the player having to stand on them for a long period of time defending against waves of Flood. It's too small for there to be any strategy which would make it feel fun to fight on beyond the simple boarding and destroying loop it exists for already

[carmine sleet]

Let's be real, they have people wanting to crucify them over stuff like artwork celebrating the series turning 25 this year. They're gonna have people attacking them no matter what they do with a hypothetical Halo 3 remake or a hypothetical Halo multiplayer which is 1 to 1 with Halo 3's gameplay like some very loud people love to demand

[ruby lagoon]

Question for anyone who may know, what in the world happened to the Spirit Of Fire and Prof. Anders after the events of Halo Wars 2?

Or did we even get any info on their whereabouts?

[carmine sleet]

Spirit of Fire is still on at the Ark fighting the Banished forces there, they picked up a couple Spartan IIIs and their handler/team leader thanks to the events of Divine Wind. Anders is unknown as we've not had any follow up to the scene of Anders confronted by a Guardian

[ruby lagoon]

Ok thank you, its good to know the Spirit is still kickin around.

[carmine sleet]

Aye, hopefully one day they'll bring the spotlight back to it, but I imagine the focus this year is gonna be all on Campaign Evolved

[wraith garden]

idk wat was bout the basion ship to recede the precursors was supposed to get out of the milky way with like some of forunners thing including sparks new body did it fail cuz harvest i heard somewhere

[carmine sleet]

That ship hasn't been heard about since it set off

[prime mauve]

Bastion was a whole planet flying off into the unknown, partially because the Librarian wanted her Precursor Nice Guys plan to happen and partly because Spark is getting kicked if Chief finds out he's still around

[vagrant ocean]

Chief just PUNTS the armiger’s head into the stratosphere.

[prime mauve]

"That's what you get for not even thinking about Sergeant Johnson in your three novels."
"One of them was a big prequel, Reclaimer."
"I'll kick you again."

[vagrant ocean]

Joyeuse being absolutely befuddled about the situation

[plain mesa]

Also if David Scully has retired who do you think will be the next SGT Johnson Successor?

Unless they pay Scully to come out of retirement or resort to the one they hired in Halo Wars 2? Or just hire another one altogether?

[coarse hamlet]

The one in halo wars 2 did a good job so thatd be my pick

Keep it as consistent as you can

[plain mesa]

The Ball is in Halo Studios's court now

[prime mauve]

David Scully is still active afaik

Imdb has him appearing in Campaign Evolved

I guess that means the new original missions

[unique rune]

isn't IMDb based on user contributions
I feel like I wouldn't quite trust what it says until we get more explicit confirmation of anything

[plain mesa]

IMDB is as reliable as Wikipedia they are User Contributed.

[carmine sleet]

It is based on user contributions. Anyone can add names. I recall people adding everyone under the sun on the Avengers Doomsday page last year

[unique rune]

me when I spread misinformation on the internet

[modest marsh]

His name would appear there anyways because it’s still his voice even if it’s just old lines

[plain mesa]

Unless Halo Studios Confirmed the Actor, Johnson's Voice Actor remains Unconfirmed.

[minor sky]

Make it like the final brawl in Shenmue

You and the Arbiter side by side just clobbering each of them

[plain mesa]

That cut content might work if enough people get on board? I'm hoping for the gravemind boss battle in the future and Halo Studios might finish what Bungie Started. The Mission Cortana was initially going to be named High Charity, with a layout that is a Halo 3 Version of the Halo 2 mission High Charity.

That Mission Cortana that map was meant to be after Floodgate also there is a line that didn't make sense but made it in the final game Miranda Keyes said and i quote "Find the crashed floodship overload it's engine core, we either destroy this city or risk losing the entire planet." and we never do that in floodgate.

[minor sky]

Yeah, it was very rushed for time

Having just gone through the level multiple times to beat the par-score, I will say that it isn't as awful of a level as I recall. It still sucks though

At least the art-design is great

[plain mesa]

It is. also thats not the only cut mission there is one called Guardian Forest where you pilot a Pelican against something called a Guardian Sentinel (and not the Guardian from Halo 5) it was supposed to take place between the missions The Ark and The Covenant.

All we got of Guardian Forest was the Multiplayer map Guardian

[carmine sleet]

I think if we do get a Halo 3 remake, I doubt they'll be making it based off of cut content. I think the story does need some reworking to fix pacing issues, but I doubt they'll be adding in stuff like the original version of the level Cortana or bringing in the Flood infected Arbiter corpses to fight

Like, that latter one especially just wouldn't make much sense to add from a resources perspective since they'd only appear in one specific room on one level

[plain mesa]

Something tells me that Halo Studios wouldn't want to make an almost carbon copy of the original Halo 3, but make it in their image while staying faithful to the story, and they knew Bungie was pressed for time.

[carmine sleet]

I'm not saying they would make a carbon copy of Halo 3

I'm just saying I don't think a hypothetical Halo 3 remake will be based on the cut content of Halo 3

That's not to say they couldn't pull inspiration from cut content, but it shouldn't be what it's primarily based on

[plain mesa]

The reason i say that is because of Campaign Evolved. the 3 prequel missions and cut content you didn't get to do in the original Combat Evolved game back in 2001 they are expanding the library as well.

[minor sky]

If they did remake Halo 3, I would be pretty peeved if they didn't remake Cortana to be more like its original version

Like, that is the only real reason I'd want a Halo 3 remake

In the same way the New Mombasa levels are the main reason I'd want a Halo 2 remake

[carmine sleet]

They never said anything about cut content being used as a basis for Campaign Evolved. Not sure where you're getting that idea from

[unique rune]

They haven't even said anything about expanding on existing missions, just adjustments to improve gameplay flow

The Library probably isn't going to be wildly different from the original version

[plain mesa]

They said they'd expand the experience also that goes for missions like The Library. i stand firm with my belief and the proof to the contrary, unless you can prove me wrong?

[unique rune]

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2025/10/24/halo-campaign-evolved-answering-the-big-questions/

The Library is a perfect example to demonstrate how the team is thoughtfully enhancing existing spaces in an authentic way. Halo: Combat Evolved’s seventh campaign mission is a key example of where it felt right to make tweaks to several areas to create a new experience that balances nostalgia with the expectations of today’s gamers.

“We learned from Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary that there was still an appetite for things like better wayfinding, navigation, and diversity in enemy encounters,” Szlagor says. “In The Library specifically, which features several Flood encounters, we wanted to reevaluate the pacing and enhance the environmental storytelling. We’ve added new lines to Guilty Spark, which guide players through the level, and there’s new dialogue that gives more insight into the narrative as it plays out.”

“We’re not changing the stories, it’s about refining and adding context to this moment, and other levels like it, so players can stay on track.”

[plain mesa]

I never said anything about changing the story

[unique rune]

nothing they say is actually very helpful or clear but it's pretty evident that the idea is they aren't fundamentally changing anything

they're making changes to add functionality and weapons from other titles and make the gameplay experience more refined
nothing about whatever you mean by "expanding" The Library and such

[coarse hamlet]

im curious if theyll showcase any of the flood levels or keep them under wraps until release. id probs do the latter if i were them regardless of how many changes were made

nowhere near the same levels of xen but the second half is a bit weaker than the first and itd be neat if they got a black mesa style revamp to that entire half

[plain mesa]

Also anyone can read and take that either way?

[unique rune]

I mean
I guess if you enjoy making stuff up sure

[plain mesa]

No i don't enjoy making up stuff, i like to focus on the facts and it is left up to interpretation for now until more is relased officially.

[unique rune]

yes and you're interpreting things into information that isn't there

[plain mesa]

Lets just agree to disagree until more is revealed.

[carmine sleet]

I'm with Nova on this, they're remaking the game using the existing levels as the basis. They're not going in and outright changing everything, but making tweaks to make things flow better or to provide more clarity. Tweaks could mean anything from bringing back the arrows we see in CEA's Library or be bigger like giving the player access to vehicles more often on Two Betrayals

They're not going to be doing something like bringing in the Stealth Tank which was cut from CE and giving us a whole level focused on us using that

[warm ridge]

They are massively altering what is already there, lots of missions are being redesigned & changed.
We've already seen some of this with the Silent Cartographer mission, and that was just half the mission.
They've also already admitted that the Library is receiving most of the changes.

We're also getting entirely new enemy AI being present that wasn't in the game before, like Flood pure forms. New enemy AI animations, new weapons, and tons of other stuff.

It's not a 1:1 "remake" at all.

If they decided to do a Halo 3 Remake, it'd be more of stuff just like this.

@plain mesa above

[warm ridge]

I can absolutely confirm to you right now without even knowing what a Halo 3 Remake would be like, we're not battling 182 Arbiters. Story wise will likely stay relatively the same / near identical, it's not going to change. Just missions being redesigned / rebalanced / new weapons / vehicles / etc.

[plain mesa]

Yeah maybe your right but unlike the prequel missions in Campaign Evolved it could still happen, maybe it will happen maybe it won't also many people complained about the mission Cortana.

and tweak it as a modernised expansion without effecting the Story.

[unique rune]

...Did we watch the same Silent Cartographer mission preview? It is by and large the same as the original but with shinier and more detailed graphics and mechanical adjustments to bring it more in line with newer Halo titles.
I know they're adding weapons and some new enemies. And the redone animations are... yeah, of course they're all new? Everything's been rebuilt but it's not really deviating from how CE already worked.

[warm ridge]

It clearly is, Idk what you saw.

[unique rune]

I don’t know what you saw either

[warm ridge]

Already explained it, same comment you replied to just earlier.

[unique rune]

you really didn't but ok

I don't want to interact with you

[warm ridge]

not my issue 🤷‍♂️

[coarse hamlet]

it would be really funny if they kept the fake wall hiding a stash from CEA

[carmine sleet]

I don't play Combat Evolved enough to know about that

I wanna know more

[thorn spindle]

is it true im gonna have to fall asleep before next halo releases

[warm ridge]

Technically they've already shown a very, very tiny glimpse of the 343 Guilty Spark mission in the roundtable reveal video. It's something I think a lot of people missed, mostly because it's just really dark & you can't really tell what you're looking at without pausing it & recognizing stuff.

[coarse hamlet]

in the library theres some dead marines but with the CEA graphics theyre hidden from view by an ill placed wall

[carmine sleet]

Oh lol

You know, they should add that as an Easter egg. Maybe hide something powerful in that spot

[coarse hamlet]

thats what im saying

[carmine sleet]

Make it a gold CE Magnum which insta kills everything, but you only have 3 spare mags

So basically a homage to the Golden Gun from James Bond (Specifically how powerful it was in the games)

[coarse hamlet]

could put a mongoose in there

get to atv the rest of the level

[carmine sleet]

A Gungoose with SPNKrs mounted to it

The SPNKrgoose

[warm ridge]

@coarse hamlet time stamped it, it's the outside area. You can even see the crashed Spirit.
https://youtu.be/e-tXi1NC_aU?si=pIJyIS6D2-PnNPrh&t=299

Assuming that scene showing the Flood infected human form is also from the 343 Guilty Spark mission to

[plain mesa]

Also the reason i mentioned it previously this also. is have you all heard of The Digsite Project.

[warm ridge]

yea but how does that relate to this

[carmine sleet]

Digsite is not an indication of any of the things we will see in Campaign Evolved

[somber idol]

Silent Cartographer doesn't need more..

But the last part of the game does

Honeslty if they don't drasticly change some level like Two Betrayals that's a bad idea

You can keep the core story untouch but you can at the same time rework and remake entire levels

Which Halo fan or newcomer will want to pass the same room during 40min?

It was acceptable at the time for obvious développement reasons but that's not acceptable today

[plain mesa]

It says Halo Studios hire modders to restore cut content and that's the point of the Digsite, and also i never said they'd definitely do it.

[warm ridge]

No modders were ever hired for Digsite, and that was purely a thing for Halo MCC.
It's an entirely free thing that Halo Studios hand picked certain people to do in order to restore cut content for MCC's mod tools.

no one ever got paid for it except for the employees who organized it

It's still an on going thing afaik

[unique rune]

I mean, sure, but nothing they're saying in any of these interviews or other material is actually indicative of major redesigns or overhauls. Even with The Library at most they've only said it's "a perfect example to demonstrate how the team is thoughtfully enhancing existing spaces in an authentic way."

I don't know what that specifically entails but it sure doesn't sound like they're fundamentally changing how the mission works.

[unique rune]

And I just rewatched the gameplay preview, I genuinely don't know where you're getting the idea that things are significantly changed. Barring some rocks being moved around the layout and progression is pretty much 1:1 with the original mission.

[somber idol]

I agree, but i think they're not smart if they don't do it
That will be mainly bad receive by the player

Halo CE issue aren't a secret i assume they know what to expect

If they don't do something i don't see the point of this game

[warm ridge]

yea..? Story / progress is largely gonna be the same. Mission design is not. It's a remake, not a remaster with a new coat of paint.

Also, more then just "some rocks" got moved around.

[somber idol]

People here who read the new book who reveal things about the endless

Without spoiling anything, do you think those revelations are important and are they a way to throw the endless away like they did with the Didact?
Or are they something with potential wich Can bring interesting perspective for future games ?

[carmine sleet]

Nothing in Edge of Dawn indicates they're throwing away the Endless

[warm ridge]

the entire 1st area is altered pretty heavily, it's no longer just a "flat" sand beach.
Many other areas were also altered heavily.

The long stretch of area where you drive the Warthog up to the 1st Forerunner facility got altered pretty heavily to. The 2 giant rocks aren't there anymore, Jackals aren't on top of them, and you drive over a sand dune that wasn't there originally. Less tree's, but the trees that are there are much thicker in size.

The "Silent Cartographer" facility itself has also changed in size & shape. The platform is much smaller. The ceiling is much, much higher. Lots of tiny details & things have changed to, it's pretty obvious if you compare them side by side.

The "path into the interior of the island" area was dramatically altered, just like the 1st area. Tree log is gone, more rocks, the tree that was blocking the Warthog from driving up to the Hunters got removed.
The path itself has also completely changed, all the rocks & tree's that used to be there have all been removed, to make room for the Warthog to drive into it.

I could keep going on, but if you still disagree with me, then I don't see any point in trying to explain the areas after this. Just doesn't seem worth the effort. @unique rune

We haven't seen any of the new weapons they're going to be adding in either, which I believe were intentionally removed from the Campaign demo version we got on purpose.

[somber idol]

Cool
I like their potential

I just hope they will not get rid about it like they did with their last games

[warm ridge]

I do think the Endless will show up in the next game, but honestly? There entire species was trapped on the ring itself. Outside of just blowing the ring up, or them becoming friendly with us, they aren't gonna last all that long as a "real enemy" regarding the future of the franchise.

They aren't exactly a "space faring species" with there own ships or anything. It's just Banished weapons & vehicles.

[somber idol]

Well we don't even know what they look like aside Of the harbinger
We don't know what they are capable of

[warm ridge]

The Harbinger is an Xalanyn, you really think another Xalanyn is gonna look all that different?

[somber idol]

Maybe there is a différence between mâle and female..
Or others..

They can do what they want with it, its an alien species

We don't know that much

Weapon, technology, capacity

[warm ridge]

We do honestly.

[somber idol]

From the new book?

[warm ridge]

.

[somber idol]

Ok but you just know how one of them look that's it

[warm ridge]

does a human female look drastically different vs a human male?

as if it could be a different species

if the answer is no, you got your answer

also you said no spoilers so it's pretty hard to explain this stuff to you without it

[somber idol]

So every animal look the same beyond their sexe ?

All the universe need to follow the rules of human genetics..?

Its an alien species they can manage it how they want

[warm ridge]

does a female sangheili look all that different vs a male sangheili?

you wanted me to eliminate the human aspect so

[somber idol]

There is planty of example of sexual dimorphism in the nature

That's not something unusual

[fair hazel]

im really wondering if you had said the same thing if the harbinger was male

[somber idol]

Idk

It was just an example of possible différence amon other that could happen

[coarse hamlet]

This is a thing that has happened where the different [either of the two main categories (male and female) into which humans and most other living things are divided on the basis of their reproductive functions.] are mistaken for different species. Its also very common in scifi and fantasy to have extreme dimorphism with halo landing in both categories.

[unborn patrol]

They didnt even throwaway didact did they? He was the big bad in a game and that was that. On top of that theres stories outside of the game about him. Not throwaway at all imo

[fair hazel]

Well, he should have been in more halo mainline for sure

[unborn patrol]

I hope they can flesh out the endless well

[unborn patrol]

Why? He died in H4

[fair hazel]

he didn't die in halo 4

[unborn patrol]

Well whatever happened to him. I dont think anyone was left missing and it was like a good conclusion to him

Even if you get no outside context

[fair hazel]

many people wre actually

[unborn patrol]

Why?

[fair hazel]

especially after the comic

[unborn patrol]

What are they saying

I only know of I think an audio story thing about him?

[unborn patrol]

Idk its cool looking but for some reason doesnt feel halo?

Wonder what you needed to do to this guy to kill him if he was left like that after H4

[fair hazel]

he's a forerunner

[unborn patrol]

Not sure what that means for this killing part

Needed to hit him with flood?

[fair hazel]

no..

but forerunners arent just like an elite or a brute

or a hunter

[unborn patrol]

Obvi

[modest marsh]

I don’t think the Didact is important because he’s a forerunner

He’s a character that parallels the status and personal struggles of our hero which entails some level of thematic weight

[carmine sleet]

Plus it would've been nice if he did show up again in a game

[prime mauve]

The escalation comic could have just been omitted and have him falling into the Domain directly after Halo 4 like Cortana did

[warm ridge]

Didact is like one of the most requested characters to get more material out of for many, many years. There's a reason he got an entire book dedicated to him, and people want more of that. Especially if it involves him being in the games again.

[unborn patrol]

Never seen the hype personally

Like I havent witnessed it

[warm ridge]

You probably just don't pay attention to Halo all that much I guess 🤷‍♂️

If your idea is "i just know the games" then yea, you don't.

Ur-Didact's probably the most requested Halo character ever to have new appearances

[unborn patrol]

It isnt my idea

I just pay less attention to the conversations around these

Here like once a week too

[wraith garden]

well didact is now in domain living his heaven life but is he still able to like reincarnate into another promethean commander?

[thorn spindle]

I guess so

[minor sky]

ehhhhhh

Idk

I think Arby might take that title

Or the Spirit of Fire crew

Or Alpha-Nine

Still, I do think 343i fumbled the Ur-Didact in Halo 4

Hell, Josh Holmes said as much in his GDC talk

[minor sky]

I think they should've used Requiem as a vessel to explore the Didact's character

[minor sky]

I do really think Requiem was under utilized as an environment. Had the game been longer I think a lot more time getting to take in the planet and its history would've really benifited the game

[fresh granite]

I have a stupid headcanon: Sangheili can't drink coffee because it gives them gastric distress or something

[thorn spindle]

like humans i guess

[modest marsh]

Theorycrafting about dietary considerations of every alien species is going to be marred with the simple fact that the setting relies on a number of convergent evolutionary coincidences that make individual amino acids, enzymes, and minerals compatible across races in spite of every reason for that not to happen

Like, animal species on earth already have vastly different dietary compatibilities, not the least due to the fact that our gut microbiomes are delicate and unique ecosystems that can vary even between members of our own species to significant degrees

There are humans whose gut bacteria convert carbs into ethanol

If halo were “realistic”, we arguably shouldn’t have a similar genetic structure to the aliens, which has the knockdown effects of mitochondria or equivalent organelles functioning significantly differently

It’s cliche but I don’t blame a lot of scifi settings with coexisting humanoid aliens to just say we were seeded by some higher power to justify the similarities

As far as we know, that isn’t true of halo yet, even if the Human/Forerunner origin story leans in that direction

[prime mauve]

Elites can't drink coffee but they can chug Monster energy with gusto and human businesses make bank selling them flavors like Monster Zero Ultra, which they find to be "honorable" and refreshing

[modest marsh]

Long way to say, I think that excluding Hunters (who are lithophagic) the series is just going to treat the humans and aliens as largely identical in terms of what they’re allowed to eat for simplicity’s sake

[prime mauve]

Meanwhile, Jackals think that Gatorade is a high class beverage they serve in special occasions

[modest marsh]

An Elite could probably buy an entire Walmart birthday cake and just tank the ultra processed 100 ingredient list

[prime mauve]

Also something I think would have been a devastatingly demoralizing move by an alien with a human product would be if Truth had stolen Johnson's cigars and smoked them to taunt him while they activated the Ark

[modest marsh]

Contact Harvest casually dropping that the prophets have tobacco was an odd choice

I’m not sure if the point was to further cement the idea that humans = forerunners by specifically using a plant from Earth

Or if it was just “tobacco” in the colloquial sense and its actually some other plant

[prime mauve]

"You are, all of you, vermin. Cowering in the dirt, thinking... what, I wonder? The rich, smooth, hearty taste of this cigar? It's wonderful. I almost sadden that those who manufactured it will be washed away with a divine wind."

[prime mauve]

Maybe Greg Bear's idea of the Human-Prophet alliance could explain the plant being in both homeworlds

[fresh granite]

So no assumptions about dietary restrictions then

In this postwar fic I'm writing the default feeling of Swords Elites towards humans is "why are you so weird"