#lore-and-universe

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obsidian thistle
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Was a big factor in the Created happening

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To many "John" or "Spartan-IIs" caused the crisis if they knew John stopped Cortana getting deleted.

strange pumice
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Now imagine
If Chief really give Cortana for deletion, Halo universe would be another
No Created Uprising, no Zeta Halo and Harbinger would left sealed in her cylix

stoic hamlet
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If Cortana had died before arriving at Requiem the universe genuinely would have been better off.

deep citrus
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Edge of Dawn is a weird novel. It feels like a video game. Which i guess is the point. But because of that everything just feels kinda off.

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deep citrus
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The story wouldve been better if they wouldve stuck to it longer. Very little in Halo seems to have time to sit.

stoic hamlet
deep citrus
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Its basically had 3 major antagnoists added, killed, and added again in 3 games

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stoic hamlet
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The lore has flip-flopped on it over the years.

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generally, their armour is coloured based on the mission's enviorment, if possible.

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vagrant ocean
empty bloom
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It's the real Cortana insofar as any Cortana was real.

vagrant ocean
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I do not understand that reference

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A seperate instance. The "cortana we know" is the Cortana of 5.

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Even if the Cortana we "know" is "dead" this Cortana is still "alive" despite being a "copy".

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As far as that Cortana is concerned there was no 'moment of creation' that was suffeciently distinct from another segment of her lifespan. She won the cointoss.

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It's why framing it as "The Cortana we know died" is factually incorrect-this is the Cortana we know, even if Cortana "died". There was no loss of consciousness for this Cortana, and her existence as one of the priors is seamless. She's a, the, a, Cortana that survived.

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If the Cortana survived, among a series of clones, they are all the.

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-Break to explain Soma, all of which is spoiler texted because it's a spoiler.-

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||So basically, in Soma, the player character, Simon, is a clone of a brain scan, the original Simon's flesh-and-blood body having died decades ago to a brain injury.

The existing clone of Simon is a brainscan taken as a 'default' scan used for testing decades later. This is the first clone we know of, but it is also the currently only existing one we know of. As the game goes on, you end up having to clone Simon again and again to continue. The thing is, each 'clone' is, from their point of view, an absolute continuance of the original clone; Each is unaware of any continuity beyond the most obvious; That they lost the cointoss of awareness of their situation.

When one clone wakes up, it is where it needs to be. Where the other wakes up, it has been betrayed and left to rot and die in a chair, unable to do anything but move around a room.|| The Cortana in 5 is in a similar situation; As the last 'surviving' clone, she has the transferrence of continuity, and as far as anything actually works regarding digital systems like her, she is effectively the new original, as she won the continuity coin toss.

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Although by sheer technicality she wouldn't be, the nature of digital life ensures that, for all intents and purposes, as the surviving entity able to go forward and experience+perform, she is the Cortana. Nothing notable has changed in this continuity to justify calling her anything but the surviving original beyond mortal, flesh-and-synapse misguided perspective.

lean drum
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What wouldve happened if the prophets gave up their power and allowed humans to join the covenant

wispy pewter
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What would have happened if Master Chief slipped on a banana

unique rune
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people would complain about the banana disrespecting Chief for the next 20 years

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He probably wouldn’t like that

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still heron
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still heron
orchid kettle
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Some of them, at least. Its mainly just that he's treated like a petulant child throwing a tantrum, and 343 is obviously putting their thumb on the scale

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Because they don't want Chief to like actually disobey a legitimate order from a respectable captain

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that could rub people the wrong way

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So you gotta make sure the audience understands that even outside of Chief wanting to stand up for Cortana because they're pals, Del Rio is also just not a man worth listening to in the first place in the eyes of the narrative

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stoic hamlet
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Honestly if Alvarez had been Infinity’s Captain I think the overall situation would have been much more interesting.

Even if he was breaking a law. Even if he was just as hotheaded.

Because he actually has an entirely understandable reason to see forerunner stuff and just up and leave, and there’s nothing John can actually say to justify staying that doesn’t just seem like madness.

minor sky
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Alvarez?

lyric flume
# minor sky Alvarez?

He was in command of the Site-22 ship that let a Flood Spartan get away on a Slipspace Capable Ship

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and that ship crashed on a habited world with ships on it

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that now has been confirmed to be currently iun the process of being infected

minor sky
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Ah

lyric flume
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pretty big mess

minor sky
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Yeah I haven't kept up with the Waypoint Chronicles like I should

lyric flume
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you should watch some of the hiddenxperia videos on this stuff

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they're pretty good

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what do you guys think is the best Halo Story (only from Books, Waypoint Chronicles and posts from Employees)

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Mine is Ghosts of Onyx

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unique rune
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nothing in the story suggests there is anything that could be used to get anyone off planet and going anywhere else in a timely manner

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the human pirates had been stranded there for years and the only Covenant infrastructure present was a space station that was eventually rebuilt into a citadel on the planet’s surface
because the Covenant forces there were intentionally exiled there for being Flood-worshipping freaks

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the closest chance they would’ve had was the wrecked Condor but that thing was

wrecked

and even if it hadn’t been destroyed, Condors are real small and their slipspace drives are noted to be slow and have limited range and need frequent maintenance so its usefulness would’ve been limited in that respect

warm ridge
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No.
Even with S-IV's, you're not getting 100,000 Spartans in just 30 years. It's not feasiable at all.
Even his "thousands" in 20 years, just not feasible. We're just now breaking 1,000 past 2558 for the S-IV's, and the S-IV's have existed since around 2552 / 53.

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He was extremely serious about it yes, but the goals were ultimately just not realistic.

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warm ridge
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The lack of Halo rings in certain parts of the galaxies means they're entirely unprotected. There isn't a "single combined pulse", the Halo rings were 7 pulses all at once.

As of right now, here are all the Halo rings missing.

  • Installation 03 since July, 2557. The Composers Forge AI took it somewhere for "repairs", and never brought it back.
  • Installation 04 since 2552, destroyed.
    • It's replacement was also destroyed with the Ark being heavily damaged. A 3rd replacement was launched in 2559 after the Ark extensively repaired itself, but one of Cortana's Guardians intercepted it in the middle of slipspace. Current status is unknown.
  • Installation 05, decomissioned by the UNSC. The ring was partially glassed to contain Flood contamination due to it lacking a Monitor that could guide Sentinel forces. It's firing mechanisms were severely damaged according to Spark, because you interuppted the firing sequence. This caused all other rings to enter stand by status.
  • Installation 07, Hundred thousand years ago the Forerunners teleported it to Ephsu I in order to imprison the Endless, so they couldn't affect the Forerunners ability to give the Mantle over to Humanity. It was moved again to an unknown location due to the ring entering emergency slipspace after Cortana blew up part of the ring herself.

tl;dr
4 out of 7 rings are no longer in there original positions. 1 of which hasn't been there since the rings were fired.

warm ridge
# strange pumice And besides, the Mjolnir is too expensive to manufacture

The S-III's weren't meant to use MJOLNIR in the 1st place, they were largely meant for suicide missions they weren't meant to come back from. So they got equipped with cheaper armor. They're quite literally the definition of use once, do the job, and throw away because you can't be brought back.

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If they did come back, great! Send them on another until they don't. Mission accomplished either way.

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Think of them like plastic straws. Some are used only once, others are used multiple times.

warm ridge
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Slightly better, most of it comes from experience, but I'd also argue augmentations & genes play a bigger role in it to.

Lore wise it hasn't been defined a whole lot besides people in the UNSC considering S-II's to basically be "Gods", while S-III's are demi-gods. Simple as that really.
By the time Reach falls, the S-III program is already 20 years old. Plenty of time for all the S-III's seen in it to gain some amount of experience.

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FYI the Spartan IV's are just as capable given what logic we're using here.

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I believe this is the direction they're going with for future Halo games, but this is just speculation 🤷

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Possibly some minor retcons involving the original games yes, like new lore being put into the games, new weapons, vehicles, etc. that weren't present before. New areas as well. Stuff like the Flood Juggernaut figure appearing in Halo CE, or the Flood tank form from Halo 3 also appearing.

but if you're asking if they're going to change anything regarding Halo 4, 5, or Infinite's out come?
0% chance. Not happening.

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That's not true at all.

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strange pumice
warm ridge
# strange pumice Idk, really Like, they're humans too, kids, yeah, orphaned But sending them to s...

Parangosky whispered,
**“You want to trade lives for time.” **
Ackerson paused, carefully weighing his response, then said,
“Yes, ma’am. Isn’t that the job of a soldier?”
Parangosky stared at him. Ackerson held her gaze. Rich and Gibson held their collective breath, speechless.
“Is there another option?”
Ackerson asked.
“How many worlds are now cinders? How many billions of colonists have died? If we save a single planet, gain a few weeks, isn’t that worth a handful of men and women?”
“Of course it is,”
she whispered.
“God help us all. Yes, Colonel, yes, it is worth it.”

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Whole point was to buy time until they could figure out a better way to fight the Covenant, by sending S-III's on suicide missions that more or less were / are suicide bombers. @strange pumice
Like I already said though, if they survived the bombing, great! Now do another one.

wispy pewter
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There’s still 300 of them somewhere around

warm ridge
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You no longer need to keep producing the equivalent to suicide bombers if the war they were built to fight ends.

Why everything went towards the S-IV program instead

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In fact, if the war hadn't ended, they had another company that was about to begin training if it wasn't for the Onyx conflict.

Because of the Onyx conflict it was likely being redirected else where but the war ended so.

wispy pewter
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But did the war really end tho

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carmine sleet
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The Halo 4 terminals have plenty of footage of Forerunners, you're not going to find footage of Precursors since there isn't any

velvet briar
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someone in a different server just pointed me there as well

stoic hamlet
# warm ridge Whole point was to buy time until they could figure out a better way to fight th...

Notably, the II’s were also being used in this way, per Silent Storm:

”I should think the answer is obvious,” Halsey said. “We mass at the strong points. It will take the Covenant at least two years to locate all of our undefended worlds, and by then “the Materials Group will have reverse-engineered—”
”I think you need to make FLEETCOM understand that, Admiral Stanforth. There is nothing you can do to save those people—not until I can give you the tools you need to fight.”
[…]
”I’ll try to clear that up,” Cole said. “The Covenant ships are protected by energy shielding that nothing short of a nuke or a Mass Accelerator Cannon can penetrate in one shot. Since their vessels are faster and more maneuverable than ours, that’s a problem.”
”Because you never get more than one shot,” Avery surmised.
“Sometimes not even one,” Cole said. “To make matters worse, their plasma beams cut through our Titanium-A armor like it’s paper.”
“And their pulse lasers are damn near as bad,” Stanforth said. “So we’re trying to find a way to fight that doesn’t involve fleet-to-fleet engagements.”

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empty bloom
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Hah

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There was someone here a few days ago who was saying brutes lost radio and rocketry and such due to the great immolation

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And I'm finally sitting down to read Empty Throne, and it directly confirms that the immolation itself was well within living memory of many brutes by the fourth chapter.

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warm ridge
empty bloom
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There are better people to come across as condescending to.

warm ridge
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Wouldn't surprise me if Escharum was well over 100

empty bloom
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He's 88.

vagrant ocean
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Blammo

minor sky
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I forget how recently the Brutes were forced into the Covenant

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Looking through the concept art on this page it really does strike me how reminiscent of Halo 4 some of the interiors feel

unique rune
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I still find it baffling that there was so much disdain for the Forerunner aesthetics of 4 when most of it is pretty consistent with the Bungie stuff but with shinier graphics and more lights to indicate show that they’re active

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I will grant that the Didact’s armor and the look of the Promethean units themselves was a bit of a departure but the weapons and structures really weren’t that far off

carmine sleet
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To be fair, there is a reason for the Prometheans having a more unique design compared to other Forerunner stuff

minor sky
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I think the big issue with 4's Forerunners is how a lot of environments lack a bit of, for lack of a better word, "focus"

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Bungie was really good as making Forerunner environments easily readable and able to flow together nicely. Halo 4 has that in plenty of locations but not as a whole

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It is a lot more uneven

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Requiem and Forerunner's environments bounce between looking phenomenal and messy very often

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How much of this can be owed to the Xbox 360 being massively underpowered by 2012 idk

empty bloom
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There's a reason pretty much every Halotuber that is big now started out during 2012-2016.

hot zodiac
dusk jetty
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I really don’t see the problem with different forerunner architecture

hot zodiac
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You can feel it's "pretty consistent" if you must, but the reason why few agree with you is simply beause that's not what the idea was.

dusk jetty
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Like halo 2 and CE are different just from the first time we step foot on either ring

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It’s kind of a nonsensical criticism

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Promethean weapons are also sick as hell

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unique rune
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ok

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unique rune
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Like I'm not even saying it's the same as what you see in Halo 3 or whatever but it maintains a lot of elements like the big grandiose towers, hatred of 90 degree angles, love of flying buttresses, weird vaguely delta-shaped hexagonal sliding doors, etc.

empty bloom
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I do find it funny how some of the most loathed elements of Halo 4/5's forerunner artstyle were prototyped in Reach.

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... And 3, actually.

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If anything 4 and 5 actually had less Forerunner greebling.

minor sky
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This storyboard one of the funniest images I've seen come out of Halo's devlopment

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vagrant ocean
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BRO

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LITERALLY SECTION TWO UP IN HERE

empty bloom
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huh

carmine sleet
empty bloom
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What

carmine sleet
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Like, people just want someone to lose a hand for the sake of it

minor sky
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Kind of like they did in TN48H but less horrible

empty bloom
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For example, Chief losing a hand because he slapped a nuke.

vagrant ocean
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He def should’ve taken some sort of damage. There is no way in hell that MJÖLNIR can withstand 30 megatons.

wispy pewter
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Chief is too strong

minor sky
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You could say that Cortana did something to shield Chief from the damage

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With the last of her power, Cortana is able to teleport John away from the vessel before it was destroyed and meets with John for one last time inside a bubble of hard light.

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Per Halopedia

still heron
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minor sky
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Yeah but if they killed him off there, there wouldn't be be the best line in the entire game

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modest marsh
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If his hand was unprotected then effectively the rest of his body would be too

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minor sky
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Cortana teleported him out of the Didact's ship at the last second

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Hell in the earlier concept art Chief watched the Didact's ship blow up

muted arch
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Master Cheeks

modest marsh
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but also they walked back the extent of the damage done from the original intent

minor sky
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Shame we didn't get the visual of the crashed remains of the Mantle's Approch scattered across a planet

warm ridge
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What you should be wondering is how his ribs weren't straight up shattered the moment the Ur-Didact punched him right in the chest.

I get being a Spartan & all would allow him to survive this, but it clearly knocked the breath right out of him

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Remember, the Didact didn't just "shove him off", Chief got punched off and was basically thrown a pretty far distance away. Effortlessly even.

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modest marsh
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Funnily enough, the Scorpion’s gun is one of the few things specifically noted as being imminently lethal to a Spartan in the official field Manual

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Spartans are cautioned that Mjolnir armor and shields are not rated to withstand 90mm cannon impacts and caution should always be exercised in situations where enemy forces have access to these vehicles.

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modest marsh
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Just because an armor system is “rated” for a specific caliber or weapon system does not mean it is advisable to disregard it as a risk

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NIJ level IV plates can pretty reliably stop most intermediate caliber rounds for instance, but that rating qualification expects only a certain number of strikes before failure

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Functionally Spartans can “ignore” most small arms weapons for a few seconds but massed fire in a prolonged battle will eventually degrade their shield and armor

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So like 9mm

modest marsh
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I mean, realistically I don’t think conventional 9mm has enough energy behind it to meaningfully deplete the shields let alone damage the armor plates

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The specs appeared on his HUD even before he finished speaking, and he began to read them off. “With a one-forty-grain armor-piercing round, the SAS-10 has an effective range of sixty-two meters. Even at five meters, the round’s velocity would only be three hundred and eighty-nine meters per second. You wouldn’t even scratch my outer shell.”

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And Mjolnir is a titanium alloy

modest marsh
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Denning just be throwing out numbers ngl

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wispy pewter
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Not really a spoiler but: Kelly Gay basically wrote Master Chief as 450 kilos

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In Gen 3

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Bit of a weird question but who would win Team Fortress or Noble team. And just to be fair the mercs get everything, the Sci Fi guns, Bonk, Über Charge, soul selling and being god’s favorite

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modest marsh
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No if anything this makes him lighter than average because most descriptions of armored Spartans put them at a flat 500kg

wispy pewter
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Oh

modest marsh
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Or even the armor itself is 500kg before the Spartan

wispy pewter
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I swear I saw a number of 300kg somewhere before

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modest marsh
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That’s what you get when you subtract Chief’s known mass from the given total mass of the armor

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Noble Team in game all have armor lock

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If you’re wondering about a “lore compliant” interpretation of what would happen, for one the mercs obviously have the issue of being susceptible to being shot and dying instantly in spite of how they behave in game

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modest marsh
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I don’t think this is something they actually do “in narrative”

empty bloom
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That's only Medic anyways.

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Who can still die. And be exploded.

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Scout is god’s favorite

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Doesn't matter.

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Bugs Bunny clears ez.

modest marsh
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That one is odd because obviously within the TF2 narrative, God doesn’t ordain that Scout fights Noble Team from Halo

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Him having “in universe plot armor” is only relevant if that mechanism accounts for scenarios that haven’t been predetermined

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If TF wants to win, engineer and sniper distract them, scout with bonk also plays distraction whilst über heavy hits them with the atom destabilizer gun, than they have a chance

empty bloom
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I guess.

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Or they all get pulverized because Spartans.

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There's not even an 'atom destabilizer gun' outside of mods anyways.

modest marsh
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Instead he wakes up in a hospital bed with every limb broken

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empty bloom
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No, he wouldn't.

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He punched out all of scouts blood in like 4 hits

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And then snapped soliders spine

modest marsh
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Do I need to find the quote of Master Chief exploding an elite’s head with his fist

empty bloom
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And a Spartan's physically capable of giving someone the Skorpion treatment because they feel like it.

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Or Predator, whichever one involves ripping heads and spines out for your preferred flavor of the day.

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empty bloom
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Which MK was the one with the fatality where you rip someone's head out from the bottom down via the spine?

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I think it's one of MK11's

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empty bloom
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In a fan animation.

modest marsh
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I think even counting that doesn’t really change the outcome of a fight either way

empty bloom
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Heavy also still dies to 3 direct pills, 3 direct rockets, et cetera

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So do Spartans

modest marsh
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Heavy can only be uberred for a few seconds at a time which is clearly telegraphed and analogous to something Noble Team should already be familiar with in setting (Overshield/invincibility power up) and he’s too slow to meaningfully capitalize on this advantage

empty bloom
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I don't know why I'm bothering to entertain this premise.

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Am I really this bored.

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I guess

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I only though of this because the silly people going up against noble team was funny

stoic hamlet
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On the topic of “normal” humans fighting super soldiers, I don’t think we’ve ever had an instance of a normal person coming close to matching a Spartan in CQC, have we?

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I know James fighting a Jannissary resulted in a normal human effectively getting turned into goo just for being in the vicinity of the fight.

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Because 500+kg of power armored supersoldier does not do good things to bones.

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Yeah but surely a fairer comparison would be with armor vs without

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But then again, TFOR has unarmored Spartans fighting marines in prototype power armor

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There was also that 7 foot tall ODST that Arbiter thought was a Spartan for a moment who happened to be in the path of Vale's elbow and proceeded to have parts of his brain introduced to his own face completely by accident.

modest marsh
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And very easily obliterating them

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The worst showing in CQC a Spartan's had is still Palmer and co fighting those marines in sparring in the comics

stoic hamlet
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I’m kind of surprised Halo hasn’t really had a Lucifer Black analogue.

I mean technically the ODST’s, but there’s no human force that actually seems to match 40K’s Lucifers in skill and prowess, when if anything you’d think Halo would have had something come close.

Odd, actually thinking about it.

empty bloom
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But that's also vaguely implied to be in a sparring setting and they got tasered while not wearing MJOLNIR, so you could handwave part of that as being more of the limits of the scenario coming into play and not a 'real' fight.

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Or someone at ONI realized it's hard to explain why the people they're hiring who aren't child abusers keep coming back dead from training.

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Maybe that's why nobody knows what happened to the folks willing to beat up kids who Mendez hired. Silenced by being fodder for the II training.

empty bloom
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And presumably, Kobold drones also fulfil a role between Marine and Spartan.

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How good of a place is a UEG inner colony to live (when an alien isnt pulling your limbs off)

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Varies.

wispy pewter
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lean drum
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Does a Spartan II in MJOLNIR power armor have more punching power and can lift more weight than an average Elite?

stoic hamlet
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Yes.

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Spartans in SPI have more punching power and can lift more than an average Sangheili.

lean drum
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Thank you!

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They seem to be stronger then Elites but weaker then Brutes.

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Halo lore is cool

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They are right to call Chief demon. He’s has like Captain America enchantments combined with a John Wick skill set

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You say that like Captain America doesn't have a better skillset lmao

lean drum
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Oh dang. Is Captain America as good as John Wick when it comes to guns? I’m unfamiliar with how good Cap is with firearms.

empty bloom
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I mean kinda yeah

minor sky
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Cap doesn't need guns, he has a giant dinner plate he throws at people

marble lion
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It depends on which continuity that Captain America might use a gun or any kind of firearm is available. But he will mostly will stick with his shield

wispy pewter
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he mostly uses his shield

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wispy pewter
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I think in the entirety of the MCU he only used a colt in the first cap movie and the rifle on the helicarrier

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Was there ever a book or something which followed up what happened with the Spirit of Fire, or its crew, or Anders after Halo Wars 2 or has that just been untouched for a few years now?

empty bloom
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If one was planned it didn't come to fruition.

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wispy pewter
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2 spartans and one woman

stoic hamlet
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Technically three, though by the end of the book, it’s just two out of five Spartans left.

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tranquil cairn
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Random lore idea.

Yapyap the destroyer.

His rebellion is canon and had more grunts die then the banished had.

My theory the throne of woe was a contact point for a forerunner AI, who tricked yapyap into opening a few grunt cylixs. As ancient grunts where tribal stage during the fore runners time, said grunts where armed with rocks.

Also it still scares me that grunts can punch through spartan armor and throw rocks hard enough to down aircraft. but I think that likely isn't a canon part. granted the punching hard is canon, if you get a grunt to melee in h2 or h3 they will one shot you (only possible with mods, they are just strong.)
Also this would explain why his cannon fodder and ankle bitter units don't have methane packs.

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both are devistating.

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granted I think that is just because the jackles use their shield as their melee weapon.

carmine sleet
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Ok, that doesn't change what I said

tranquil cairn
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modded games make them a bit weaker.

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Also both bungie and 343 love bringing cut features back as canon.

empty bloom
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If there's a melee anim for grunts and jackals in 2 or 3 I've never seen nor heard of it.

stoic hamlet
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I mean, gameplay isn’t canon anyways, so….

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minor sky
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4 did make the massive mistake of letting all Grunt ranks be able to charge their plasma pistols though

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That and letting enemies be able to supercombine needler rounds

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And guess which enemy rank is known for having large numbers and surrounding players while carrying Needlers and Plasma Pistols!

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I really wish 343i's first project let them understand the deeper nuances of the Covenant's gameplay more

hardy swan
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Really wish HS stop treating Spartan IVs like they are expendable

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They die in every short story and new book releases

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obsidian thistle
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Just to be crystal clear on that

minor sky
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They didn't develop that, Saber Interactive did

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minor sky
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Yeah but I wouldn't call it their "first game" when it is a remake of a pre-existing game, primaraly developed by another studio, while 343i worked on their main project

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I don't think I've seen anybody who worked at the studio think of it as being the team's first game

carmine sleet
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I wouldn't call CEA a remake, it's a fresh coat of paint on an already existing game

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carmine sleet
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Aye

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Like, a remake would be like what happened with Resident Evil 4 (2005) and Resident Evil 4 (2023)

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carmine sleet
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Campaign Evolved is a remake even without the 3 new missions

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Like, it's a full on remake

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Truthfully I can't wait for Halo CE2, purely because it is the start of a 3 game set that will likely be on the same engine and gameplay loop. which means using established modern gameplay, power ups, and tools. while fixing H2s story, H1s second half, (as lets face it only the books fixed that), and just giving 3 a fresh coat of paint.

Also I am wondering how the Johnson story will go as they show chief in his Mk IV armor the one that didn't have shields.

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likely being done to establish and allow them to have one shielded palyer characters for the other two games for side stories.

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that said if I see one jackal sniper in CE I am "strangling" the person that added it.

stoic hamlet
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We don’t know that they’re redoing H2 and 3, this is a rumour with no source or even inkling of a source. There’s nothing to even imply it.

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Of all the games, 3 has the most issues that need fixing, though. Its story is atrocious and writing is abysmal. It’s carried mainly by three “hype” moments, but otherwise it’s the weakest of the trilogy by far.

unique rune
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they should just replace every single enemy with a Halo 2 Legendary Jackal Sniper

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that would make the games 50000% better

minor sky
unique rune
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is it though
a remaster implies it's the original thing but with improved visuals
a remake is
re-making the thing from the ground up

carmine sleet
minor sky
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I ment to say "Halo CEA is a Remaster"

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Remaster = old game with improvements
Remake = old game made again from scratch

unique rune
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okay so we're all on the same page

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fixing H2s story, H1s second half, (as lets face it only the books fixed that)
I still want to know what any of this is supposed to mean lol

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fixing H2's story is
I dunno what that entails

like its main problem is that it just ends on a cliffhanger for 3 to pick up on and fixing that is just taping Halo 3's campaign onto it

and CE is... fine? it does the usual Bungie thing of "here's all the missions you just went through but backwards" but I don't think there's any major writing snags

carmine sleet
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It's purely the gameplay in CE where the issues lie in the latter half. Which I imagine will be the focus of any changes done there. Such as better balancing encounters, easier access to vehicles of some kind in Two Betrayals because we all know how bad trekking through those canyons is on foot, stuff like that

minor sky
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I've come to the conclusion that the original trilogy doesn't need to be remade so much as specific levels or sections would benifit from being touched up

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Halo CE, Two Betrayals sucks. Total slog of a mission that has one or two decent encounters
Halo 2, New Mombasa is heavily compromised. From Outskirts locking you in one location for ⅓ of its time, the super linear vehicle sections that consist mainly of driving in a straight line, and the stilted Scarab encounter- there is a lot that could be improved
Halo 3, Cortana need I say more?

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But generally I think the games hold up very well, warts and all

hardy swan
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They should be moving forward

minor sky
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I agree

tight badge
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Is the ark out of range of the halo array

unique rune
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yes

lean drum
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So cool

minor sky
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Yeah

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Shame midnight releases are dead and buried

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Anyway, quick question-
Has there ever been a moment in a piece of EU media of a Grunt elbowing somebody?

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This was a thought that occured to me while looking through concept art the other day

pallid abyss
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i played a competition at gamestop in NJ to win Halo2

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at midnight release

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the Metal Silver game set

minor sky
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Sounds like a good time

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I unfortunately missed that bus

empty bloom
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I feel like the whole "Worshipping media so much you wait a full day for it to come out in the rain and cold" was kinda bad

gusty star
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It seems like it was more about the community feeling. These were events

minor sky
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Yeah

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It isn't too different than people holding watch parties or conventions

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People come together around a shared interest

vagrant ocean
obsidian thistle
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Retool it so its Wills missions in Mombasa

deep citrus
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You know. Something that reallu bugs me about 343i is how tbey seem to have misunderstood humanities role vs chiefs role

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Chief didnt solo win the war. And if it wasnt for multiple planned blunders from the covenant humanity doesnt. But humanity itself shows extreme levels of determination and grit. The navy was far more decisive to any one battle.

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Its really shocking that even in the books chief basically operates alone. I figured that was just something in the games

modest marsh
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Probably just the flood

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Because I can’t think of one besides edge of dawn where he’s basically alone

stoic hamlet
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The Flood specifically calls out he’s not used to fighting alone.

carmine sleet
gusty star
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As we’ll as other UNSC forces

still heron
fickle gulch
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Someone should make a banished version of high charity

still heron
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Considering what happened to Doisac, that could be one of the endgame goals of the Banished.

wispy pewter
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Isnt their goal making one of the rings their home

vagrant ocean
minor sky
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I got Edge Of Dawn the other day and I haven't gotten super far, but I am really enjoying it

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Kelly Gay's writing is so good

undone gale
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I just heard a summary of the new book and man I gotta say I'm really happy we are getting more content about halo lore but I'm also extremely sad that the spirit of fire or red team from halo wars were not mentioned at all.

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did they forget the spirit of fire and red team exist? Like come on those guys were the first ones to put lead to banished faces

unique rune
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they’re also stuck at the Ark with no practical way to get anywhere else in the galaxy

why would they be relevant in the book that follows up on Infinite’s events

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unique rune
# undone gale I mean atriox made it off surely they can find a way too

Atriox was one guy with the support of an army and a Forerunner slipspace crystal that could get him off the Ark

the Spirit of Fire is a single outdated barely combat-ready ship whose only option is to keep said army at bay where they can

they’re really not in a situation that gives them any convenient outs

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I mean, sure, but that really has like, nothing to do with anything going on in Infinite. If they ever get around to picking up with the Spirit of Fire’s situation it won’t be in the Infinite tie-in book

undone gale
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Or even a continuation of the story will set my mind at ease really

still heron
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I get you, but they can't really do anything about it yet. Maybe they'll find a way but one day. Though there are so many different story threads that haven't made progress in years it's hard to keep track of it all.

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And the wiki as someone mentioned a while ago is quite behind on updates that it'll take a while to have everything up to date.

minor sky
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I for one am excited to see the fate of the Spirit of Fire crew to be revealed to us in 2033

deep citrus
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Maybe theyre the unified human resistance to the banished. Though if the UNSC could survive the covenant not sure how the banished plan to fight swords of sanghelios and the unsc.

wispy pewter
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they'll brute force their way heh

stoic hamlet
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# undone gale I just heard a summary of the new book and man I gotta say I'm really happy we a...

me too! i included them in my fan fic sequel to Infinite, Halo: Judgment, and i was hoping they'd make an appearance once EoD was announced. in my "alt history" version, they were reoutfitted with a new slipspace drive and asked by Hood to join him in securing Zeta Halo alongside the Swords of Sanghelios. since the Omega Expeditionary Fleet was destroyed in Empty Throne, there are only three UNSC ships available in the sector.

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it's quite long, but i'd love any feedback from lore lovers in the channel. check it out in #1076327824924872755

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A good analogy is like expecting someone fighting in Normandy to comment on the battle of Iwo Jima. Why would they care? Why would it matter?

carmine sleet
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I also doubt Atriox would've gone to Chief as he's holding him up by the neck "Hey so I encountered some Spartans from the Spirit of Fire while I was at The Ark" at the start of Infinite

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But also, we do get a reference to the Spirit of Fire during Infinite via the pillars which broadcast Atriox speeches where there's a random chance for them to play dialogue from Atriox talking about fighting UNSC forces on the Ark. But it's given in a way where it makes more sense than Atriox just randomly bringing it up when conversing with someone who (From Atriox's perspective) he's about to kill

unique rune
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it would be really weird if he mentioned the Spirit of Fire still being a pain in his neck to anyone at Zeta Halo considering that would be a morale boost for surviving UNSC forces, if anything

carmine sleet
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Indeed

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It also doesn’t make sense because no one knows that the Spirit is even still around, be they Banished or otherwise.

Heck, we don’t even know.

hybrid pilot
# undone gale I would like to read that tbh

please do! you can find the link in my status or in my recent post in #1076327824924872755 . it's quite long but i assure you it's worth it. Master Chief and Atriox get their showdown, Cortana (the erstwhile Weapon) discovers a complete record of her forebear's memories and redeems her name, we find the USNC Infinity with Lasky, Palmer, and Halsey alive and well, we learn that Pax Cortana destroyed the Silent Auditorium for yet another reason (won't spoil it, but she was sticking it to the Gravemind), and we see the Arbiter and Rtas return to Prophet slaying. There's a Flood-worshipping cult called the Arisen Covenant, several missions as Red Team, a huge space battle, ship hijacking, a mutant menagerie in a Palace of Pain, Slugmen, a corrupt ONI agent, Jannissary mercs, new UNSC captains, Lord Hood toting a shotgun, a chubby Xalanyn called the Herald, ODSTs burning out the Gravemind's hive, and a final confrontation with the Gravemind's Emissary, a Keymind that takes the form of infested Elite councilor. I'll be adding synopses for all 16 missions to my site soon, but that's a teaser of what's in store. I'd love any feedback!

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Honestly with the SoF being a pain in the rear for the Banished on the Ark. like destroying an entire ship, ONI not picking up any chatter on their whereabouts is surprising considering they are the best intelligence agency in the galaxy

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what is there for them to pick up
everyone stuck on the Ark is stuck there and out of reach from pretty much everywhere else unless they get someone on the other end of an Ark portal facility
so there’s no word coming out of there

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unique rune
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yeah I don’t think Atriox is itching to let news of losing the Enduring Conviction and all the other stuff going on get around

wispy pewter
vagrant ocean
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But I guess not a single Banished mentioned anything about what happened on the Ark

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Not even Cortana knew apparently

vagrant ocean
wispy pewter
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Right

unique rune
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because only like one Lich’s worth of Banished came back from the Ark

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and the Created’s resources and reach have been limited the entire time

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it’s literally a recurring plot point that they cannot actually be everywhere all at once

wispy pewter
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I remember them being so anxious about saying her name around anything digital. But I guess there isn’t much any way news of the SoF could reach the galaxy.

Hopefully we get more stories on them

minor sky
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Besides Atriox, did anybody else of note come back from the Ark?

unique rune
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I don’t think there’s been anyone specifically mentioned

gusty star
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Okro 'Vagaduun and Zeretus were pretty notable

stoic hamlet
unique rune
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ah
my memory has failed me

gusty star
stoic hamlet
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minor sky
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Which book had the short story with Locke and Tanaka?

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Do grunts actually taste like lobster

wispy pewter
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I wonder if the soldiers stuck on Zeta Halo have ever feasted on hunted grunts

noble urchin
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Are there any instances of Covenant species actually being eaten? I feel like jackals would be the prime pick to chow down on

carmine sleet
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The Brutes make reference to tossing Thel 'Vadam in with some Jackals when they are taking him to meet Truth and Mercy in the Mausoleum of the Arbiter

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Imagine this you’re A grunt the only things you know are be stinky and die from a workplace accident and during a war you see humans eating your kind

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Id be terrified

empty bloom
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Grunts likely ate humans well before the opposite.

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Also, given their homeworld's conditions and the average diet of grunts... Cannibalism is likely not uncommon. Or at least not rare.

indigo gale
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To think those little fellas can rip off human arms too

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wispy pewter
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But very dumb

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If they taste like crab, they will go well with chilly

indigo gale
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Im not a sea food guy, im a see food guy.

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I see food i eat it

wispy pewter
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What if you see sea food tho

indigo gale
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Ill look away

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🤓

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indigo gale
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Ooh look a little koala for a side dish

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minor sky
tropic drift
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Just finished reading edge of dawn

I’m not gonna spoil it but I now want halo 7 even more than I did after beating infinite

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minor sky
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I know Halo CE's story had gone through the chopping block and is full of quirks because of it- but I figure I should ask- is there any real canon explaination for the level being called Two Betrayals?

obsidian thistle
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If I had a hunch

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It may have been a Spark betrayal.

Then the hypothetical Cortana goes bonkers betrayal due to being inside Forerunner systems.

The latter ultimately never happened... till years later with that being 1 argument to what happened to form the Created

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Ultimately the second betrayal is up to how you interpret it. And well...

Its one rad level name regardless

noble urchin
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Cortana goes bonkers would also be a pretty tough level name

empty bloom
lapis steeple
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How would the Flood take over a typical(Walking dead or something) Zombie

carmine sleet
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Unknown

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Halo doesn't have multiple types of zombies with different origins walking around for us to hazard a guess

vagrant ocean
vagrant ocean
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Do you think Blow Me Away is a song in the Halo Universe?

hybrid pilot
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"sarge, why do we always have to listen to that old stuff?"

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"son, breaking benjamin is your history"

minor sky
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I like to imagine fandom for Breaking Benjamin had a massive revival in the late-25th Century/Early-26th century

minor sky
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I wonder if it would be a bad idea for them to bring one of the book writers over to the games. Obviously, books and video games are two different things but it wouldn't be unheard of

vagrant ocean
minor sky
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Yeah that is more or less what I'd be thinking

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(Can you tell I've been enjoying Edge Of Dawn)

modest marsh
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I recall denning claiming to have consulted on infinite but he is uncredited in the game itself

minor sky
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# minor sky When was that?

My understanding is he was one of their first picks during the transition period from Bungie to 343i, but was snubbed by Chris Schlerf, and then again between 4 and 5 when they were looking for Chris’s replacement

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Things were moving pretty fast so its understandable that they couldn’t just wait for Eric to be available or vice versa

modest marsh
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It’s fine to get fresh eyes on the project but when it comes to the long terming planning of such a large franchise, cycling out leadership within just a couple years did incredible harm to the flow of things in my opinion

empty bloom
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Not wrong, but I have the feeling the issue was driven by external pressure, not internal politics being bad.

minor sky
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Especially after how Halo 4 ended

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Having the dude who played a key role in developing Chief beyond "Big green tank" be there to guide his further development would've been a great fit

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It really does suck how much the Campaign team shifted between Halo 4 and 5

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From my understanding, a lot of people who didn't leave were moved into different positions and I think that kind of screwed with the continuity between projects

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@modest marsh who was it that worked on Halo 4 that was a writer or narrative lead on Mass Effect 1 and 2?

modest marsh
stoic hamlet
minor sky
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No no, Chris Schlerf went to Bioware after 343 not before

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Armando Troisi is who I'm thinking of

minor sky
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I've been thinking about a quote from the end of his "Halo 4.... 4 years later" video, about how "Halo as a series has never truly peaked". Letting that quote sit with me after so long leaves me with an odd sense of disapointment/lament but also optimism for the fact the series can still do great things

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RVB, Is Spartan Meta canon

unique rune
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no

tight badge
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Good, hes terrifying

stoic hamlet
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RVB isn’t canon anyways.

warm ridge
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due to Jeff Steitzer's lines being mixed up / jumbled up with all of Halo 4's dialogue into a single folder
I am being forced to categorize just about every single line almost. Well, I'm doing this myself just because "well if I have to do this, might as well get it done while I'm here", rather then just skipping everything and specifically looking for Jeff's lines only.

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Mainly focusing on Palmer, Chief, Cortana, Halsey, & Red vs Blue lines just because they're the most easily recognizable.

Trying to do other ones like Del Rio, Lasky, & Roland but there voices over radio sound so similar next to each other it's pretty hard, so I'm just leaving a lot of it unnamed.
Not even bothering with Spartan Ops characters like Miller or the other guys because of this. Unless you know these dudes voices by heart, it's just not feasible.

modest marsh
# tight badge RVB, Is Spartan Meta canon

the closest equivalent to the meta right now would be Ilsa Zane, a unsc defector who underwent an experimental augmentation protocol that makes her physically on par with an armored spartan, who is now working with the banished and has paired with Iratus, the brute AI

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minor sky
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FYI, Claudia Christian plays the role of Susan Ivanova in Babylon 5

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And having seen all 5 seasons and replayed a ton of Halo 4, I figure her voice would stick out to me super easily

warm ridge
minor sky
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Thats what I think but I honestly don't know where

warm ridge
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Halo 4 had plenty of female related voices in it, quite a bunch actually.

warm ridge
minor sky
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Maybe it is Spartan Ops

warm ridge
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Campaign to.

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They both use the same Marine related voices so.

minor sky
warm ridge
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for Halo 4 she's even listed as just "additional voices"

minor sky
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As are a bunch of other people

warm ridge
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yea, Halo 4 had a ton of voice work put into it. Way more then you think.

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Halo 5's the same way.

minor sky
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If it is Campaign, my money would be on Composer

warm ridge
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I've never heard her voice so I couldn't tell you if I've heard it or not yet honestly

minor sky
warm ridge
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DM me @minor sky

minor sky
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Listening to these again and during Reclaimer they seemed to make it a lot more clear that Del Rio is actually just a jerk/not suited for his role

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While I don't know if that would be the angle I would take, I do kind of wish they left those lines in to make what comes later a little more organic

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If that was the angle they were gunning for, they should've gone the whole way

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Well ok, maybe not to the degree he was in the storyboards

minor sky
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I get the idea of not wanting to take away the impact of Cortana's death, but I also kind of don't know why they'd make her death feel so definitive if they were planning on bringing her back

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Then again, they may have just been weighing their options at the time. Tim Longo said at the HCS panel that the idea had already been around before he joined 343i. He also said that he pushed for the idea, wanting to make the villain somebody more personal

modest marsh
minor sky
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Yes I am aware of Bungie's idea

modest marsh
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halo was conceived as a marathon sequel with all that entails

minor sky
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But that was a different team with different narrative goals

modest marsh
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maybe but the corrupted red cortana was around since 3 and prominently depicted in legends/FUD

minor sky
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Cortana's rampancy in itself felt like a pretty natural direction to take after 3. And I do think Halo 4 sends her out on a pretty good note

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Her coming back as the villain, while it does have some neat storytelling possiblities, I still think was a bad next move

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If they wanted to really commit to evil Cortana they should've just directly set it up at the end of Halo 4. I.e. rather than having her die off, Cortana's fate is left open with a rampant piece of her escaping the Didact's ship or something like that

carmine sleet
# tight badge RVB, Is Spartan Meta canon

Red Vs Blue has always been an officially endorsed fanfiction based off of Halo's multiplayer. There's shared elements, such as shady government programs and a war with a "Covenant" of aliens, but Red Vs Blue has never been part of the official Halo canon

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carmine sleet
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It's been referenced as far back as Halo 2 via various Easter eggs

tight badge
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Florida being sunk was my favorite

empty bloom
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Halo should canonize the sinking of Florida unambiguously

carmine sleet
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Having spoken with someone who used to live there at my acting lessons, even Floridians agree that's the best course of action

minor sky
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I can't remember where but my favorite joke at the expense of Flordia is "The Armpit of America"

minor sky
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It is such a small detail, but very funny once you realize it ia there

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The conversation in Crows nest is also hilarious

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And in infinite calling in a scorpion theres a small chance of it being named Sheila

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minor sky
warm ridge
# minor sky I recall Jason Jones making a comment about Cortana being tied into Durandal or ...

No that's true, back in Halo's super early days (likely before it was even called Halo), they had ideas being thrown around about Cortana being built off of Durandal's code. It was a very short lived idea. Along with this, any ties Halo & Marathon had were severed completely more or less.
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/QVH0J

Any other references or "similarities" you might find between Halo & Marathon (such as the Marathon symbol showing up in Halo), are merely easter eggs. Nothing more.

minor sky
# minor sky I recall Jason Jones making a comment about Cortana being tied into Durandal or ...

Ftr, during Halo 2's development, Jones, the "project lead" was away working on another project. He told Joesph Staten that the story of Halo 2 was

"I am a monument to all of your sins", "The cord, I am going to cut it.", and Master Chief looking at a burning Earth and saying "only blood will pay for this"
Also he was very adament about Miranda betraying the UNSC and siding with the prophet of truth

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Thank goodness Joe Staten was in charge of (most of) the script

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A lot of Halo 2's development woes come from Jones deciding to split the studio up in two

warm ridge
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which it ultimately became anyways

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Then it became the "Destiny studio" lol

minor sky
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In hindsight, if Halo 2 was done on time/finished as intended they maybe could have been able to move on

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Hindsight is 20/20, but not prioritizing the giant project your owners are putting a ton of attention on is a big fumble

warm ridge
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problems they continue to face to this very day 🤔

minor sky
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It is almost like Bungie has been this way since at least Halo CE and the image they've painted of themselves is kind of BS

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The reports coming out about Nu-Marathon's development seem to paint a picture of a studio more obsessed with trying to maintain their legacy/being in-love with their own reflection

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I think the most mind blowing thing about Bungie I've learned is that it wasn't Activision who screwed up Destiny's development

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It was pretty much self-inflicted

warm ridge
minor sky
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The thing is, just like with Microsoft, Bungie signed a contract

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They knew what they had to do

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But also like Microsoft and the "two more halo games" agreement, Bungie didn't really feel like following through

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Fyi, after the Peter Jackson game fell apart Bungie was like "ok, our second Halo game fell apart. I guess we don't have to do it"

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Until it was made apperant that they did need to put out something, hence ODST going from DLC to 60 dollar game

warm ridge
# minor sky The thing is, just like with Microsoft, Bungie signed a contract

oh no no.
Microsoft completely bought Bungie back in the year 2000. MS straight up owned the entire company, and all it's IP's (halo included).

It wasn't until 2007 where Bungie signed a contract that allowed them to leave Microsoft, but they had to make 2 more Halo games (ODST & reach).
They were also allowed to keep all the game IP's Microsoft owned due to the buyout back in 2000 (Marathon, ONI, few random game IPs developed by them in the early 90's like Pathways into darkness), except for Halo obviously.

minor sky
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Oh no, I was reffering to the 2007 agreement

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Also ONI and Myth are owned by TakeTwo

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A quirk of the Microsoft buyout

warm ridge
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oh wait yea I got them mixed up

minor sky
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TakeTwo had a minor stake in Bungie and they got those two IPs in exchange for Microsoft's full purchase

warm ridge
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yes i'm aware of Take Two's investment in Bungie at the time

minor sky
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It is a shame Microsoft and Bungie didn't work out. They could've been their version of NaughtyDog or Insomniac

vagrant ocean
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Wait, where spoiler thread

minor sky
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I just realized I left my copy of Edge Of Dawn that I was planning on reading during a trip

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:(

warm ridge
minor sky
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I might just get a free trial of Audible and listen to the audiobook

empty bloom
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Bro got MAD shrekt

sly python
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Does shrek exist in halo universe?

vagrant ocean
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That would require Smash Mouth to exist.

minor sky
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Both are universal constants

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I'm positive of it

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Anyway, this is totally just the Doctor Who fan who just really started listening to Big Finish's audio dramas, but the thought occured to me that maybe it would be cool for Halo to get a range of dedicated Audio Dramas

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Speaking of which, I sometimes wonder if Halo will just one day have a proper "wilderness years"

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Probably not anytime soon

lapis steeple
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Is midnight in the Midlothian canon

minor sky
# minor sky Probably not anytime soon

But the thought occured to me and I can picture a world where Halo's story just exists in Novels, Comics, Short Stories, ect. I mean it isn't too hard to imagine when the EU material has been doing the heavy lifting for so long

minor sky
stoic hamlet
minor sky
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Oh sorry I misread what you said

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Who is the Halo equivalent to field marshal Zhukov as in covered head to toe in medals

hardy swan
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Master Chief

lapis steeple
hardy swan
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“Alright what does a war hero have to do to get some lubrication around here.”

indigo gale
carmine sleet
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We've seen Chief helmetless multiple times

indigo gale
carmine sleet
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The Fall of Reach animated series is the most notable time within game canon

indigo gale
carmine sleet
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Legendary ending of Halo 4 (Also way to shift the goalpost)

indigo gale
carmine sleet
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He's still helmetless in that moment

hardy swan
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cant be caught without it

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silly thorne wasnt wearing his and he got teleported without it

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gusty star
indigo gale
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stoic hamlet
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Violence is never the answer.

fading flume
empty bloom
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indigo gale
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Shrek is hot

indigo gale
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# stoic hamlet Violence is never the answer.

Except when it is, when a senile old man and his friends from the homeless shelter start killing you with lasers simply pick up a potato sized rock and throw it at his head trust me he will never recover

wispy pewter
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🎻 is not the answer

icy yoke
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Violence never answer
What if its jeopardy question

minor sky
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I came across this video earlier today

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An excellent look behind the scenes

frigid heart
minor sky
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Doesn't even have 3k views and has just been sitting on Youtube for 9 years

minor sky
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He mentions only getting to have one brief meeting after Reach came out

empty bloom
minor sky
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Like a sci-fi writer

tight badge
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He looks like a character in an Adam Sandler movie

minor sky
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I still stand by my statement that Empty Throne should/would be a great game

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Not as a traditional Halo game

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But a lot of the sequences here feel ripe for adaptation + how it basically serves as Halo 5's proper follow-up

kind vessel
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I’m reading the Fall of Reach right now. Solid novel

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lapis steeple
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Why did ONI think it was a good Idea to mess with the hyper intelligence Hive mind zombies without any further thought

unique rune
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because they aren't omniscient

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they didn't have the full picture of what the deal was with the Flood so they still thought it could be controlled and weaponized

carmine sleet
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At the time, all they knew was it was an alien parasite, I can't blame them for not knowing something which couldn't possibly be gleaned from helmet cam footage or first hand accounts from survivors of Alpha Halo

stoic hamlet
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It’s also a case of ONI realizing they were in over their head and burying it once it got out of hand.

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stoic hamlet
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ONI didn’t know they weren’t just mindless zombies when they sent the Mona Lisa.

unique rune
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yeah they didn’t have any reason to believe they had any understanding of stuff like slipspace

stoic hamlet
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Also, there’s no way for Smith and co to have known, anyways.

vagrant ocean
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Even if ONI knew I doubt they’d tell marines.

empty bloom
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They aren't... Bad.

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But retrospectives being what they are, they kinda set up a lot of stuff in stone that could've used a lot more smoothing out.

indigo gale
empty bloom
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As a random aside, the fact a lot of people in the Halo fanbase read the supersoldier equivelant of "The ones who walk away from Omelas" and thought "Gee maybe we should have tortured kids fight our wars" causes me psychic damage.

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Like, it is infuriatingly to witness that level of recklessly stupid naivete.

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... Because someone here might not know what that first thing is, The ones who walk away from Omelas is a story from 'New Dimensions 3' in 1973 about a kingdom that is positively utopian, with nobody feeling strife or worry and being constantly prosperous... At the cost of a child being effectively tortured their entire short, brutal life, in the dark.

stoic hamlet
empty bloom
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Had nothing to do with Nylund

stoic hamlet
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Faaaaiiiirrrrr

empty bloom
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I've just been engaged with some doofus on Reddit about it for the past two days who insists that the Spartan Program wasn't that bad and Halsey isn't a bad person for being the ringmaster because she "Was nicer to the IIs than the alternative"

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So it's on my mind a lot at the moment

scarlet niche
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I recommend changing this chat to “lore-and-multiverse”

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Calling Halo a universe is circular because there are universes and AUs within the Halo franchise

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So, sticking with your grammar, what you’re basically saying is the Halo franchise is a universe that has universes in it. Therefore, what you’re then saying is a universe is made up of universes.

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If you want more info on the true definition of “multiverse,” contact me. I filled in all the holes within the illogical, multiversal dilemmas, redefined a lot of things that didn’t make sense so it could fit this entire organized system😎.

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stoic hamlet
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Man… bait used to be fun.

scarlet niche
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“Bait”??

gusty star
scarlet niche
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Whoever controls the name of these chats

gusty star
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And since when were there universes within Halo

scarlet niche
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It’s pretty obvious if you’d just read

scarlet niche
gusty star
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What other franchises are in Halo?

scarlet niche
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Halo is the franchise

gusty star
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Besides a nod to Lord of the Rings in one book

scarlet niche
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💀💀💀

gusty star
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You know that “Universe” is referring to the franchise right?

scarlet niche
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Yes, and it’s wrong

gusty star
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Like the world of Halo

scarlet niche
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Because there are universes in Halo

gusty star
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How is it wrong, I ask again

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What universes

scarlet niche
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Literally the other Halo games. Literally the alternate universes that people make. Literally that halo show on Prime that I think is called Red and Blue or smthn💀

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With fandom comes the making of AUs where people want to make their own fan-fiction

gusty star
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Lol what????

scarlet niche
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Are you seriously asking me this????

empty bloom
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You got your answer.

scarlet niche
empty bloom
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And the answer was no.

gusty star
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You know this is the official Halo server right

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Not a fanon server

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We discuss real lore here

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Not fanfiction

balmy crow
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i dont know what's going on here but it's gonna stop now

empty bloom
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Oh btw @stoic hamlet I think Empty Throne threw a bone to Hyperius haters

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As he allegedly 'made a name for himself' in the HCW on the side of the Covenant.

stoic hamlet
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Mhm.

empty bloom
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Kinda gives some background to how he might have such a high Spartan killcount-likely means it happened before Zeta Halo, likely when he was still with Covenant troops

stoic hamlet
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Yeah. Might’ve been deployed to mop up PROMETHEUS.

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Alternatively he was with the Banished on Rangiren and got a Headhunter.

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Personally I’d have preferred if he’d killed an S-II… but HS killed any chance of that, so…

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stoic hamlet
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Please? Can we just kill one Spartan II?

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It's all I ask

stoic hamlet
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Sorry, no. ‘fraid not.

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# gusty star And since when were there universes within Halo

This is by a pure technicality, but the Greg Bear Forerunner novels not only clarify that Halo metaphysically subscribes to multiverse theory as it is discussed in theoretical physics, but the Forerunners could travel to/interact with them and in fact functions as their primary form of energy production

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Since anything the forerunners do is a big conservation of energy problem

stoic hamlet
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Yeah but that’s not technically multiversal as was alluded to above.

empty bloom
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The fella just wanted to yap about his fanfics

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Don't think the issue overall is worth giving air to, especially since mods said nah

stoic hamlet
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Mods said “no, bad” and spritzed us.

empty bloom
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Jokes on them, birds love getting spritzed with water

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lapis steeple
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I think my most hate part of HW2 is the reveal. The spirit of Fire has been lost with all hands for 2 Decades then suddenly they find an installation and don't even see Covenant and we were building up the reveal of what has happened since they went into cryo... And then they just Did it quickly off screen

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Also why did we switch from Mark's to gens

carmine sleet
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Because the Mark system wasn't quite the right way to describe what was going on with Gen 2 Mjolnir, and thus, they dubbed it Gen 2

unique rune
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designating by marks still happens anyway considering we got Mk. VII

carmine sleet
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Also true

carmine sleet
# lapis steeple I think my most hate part of HW2 is the reveal. The spirit of Fire has been lost...

The Spirit of Fire not knowing what exactly happened over the previous three decades since they went missing wasn't a big mystery. For many players, they already know the war was over thanks to playing the main games. Plus getting to see the reactions of Cutter or Anders learning the war was over but then immediately having them go into fighting against the Banished on the Ark would make for a tonally weird moment. Since they can't really celebrate the war being over if they're being attacked by a new faction helbent on wiping them out of the sky

unique rune
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I'm not sure what you're asking for them to have written other than just a whole entirely different campaign story

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You can't drop the outcome of the Human-Covenant War like it's some big dramatic reveal because Halo 3 happened and that was kind of a big part of that game already. The only big reveals to be had are the Spirit of Fire's crew reacting to whatever happened after they went into cryo which... is shown?

vagrant ocean
dense falcon
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And Samuel

vagrant ocean
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And Jorge

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Keichi is also dead

unique rune
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they should kill more

carmine sleet
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Careful, we'll get "Halo Rise of Tribute" where it's revealed Sam was never in that armour /j

vagrant ocean
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As is Joseph

modest marsh
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The point that was being made is that there is a noticeable hesitancy to change the fates of Spartan-IIs compared to 10 or so years ago

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James being brought back from the dead to be killed off was a strategic decision since technically we’re still net 0 Spartan

carmine sleet
vagrant ocean
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Thing is the community would still be upset if they killed any more IIs.

unique rune
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yeah I'd say James barely counts given everyone had assumed he'd been dead for the past 20 years

carmine sleet
unique rune
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oh c'mon

modest marsh
carmine sleet
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The robot ones will make her faster

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We can rebuild her

vagrant ocean
carmine sleet
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Yeah she's fast. But she can be faster

unique rune
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they should start augmenting dogs as part of the Spartan program

gusty star
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Can’t really blame the community too much when the last IIs to die (Black Team) went out doing absolutely nothing, didn’t even get to see them engage the Didact lol. It was the lamest deaths ever

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And Nylund killed off so many Spartan IIs I’m really not surprised they’re hesitant to kill more

unique rune
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I was annoyed about the thing with Black Team but in hindsight
I don't think it really bothers me as much now

because sometimes stuff just happens
not everyone gets to go out in some dramatic heroic showdown

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you can have super lame deaths and it's fine

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like the idea that Spartan-IIs need to be conserved so they can be used to go out in a blaze of glory just feels so silly and kind of immature when you think about how many of them just went out due to random freak occurrences in TFOR

vagrant ocean
carmine sleet
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Give us a II who died tripping up over a brick

vagrant ocean
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That’s 11, 13 if you include James and Linda.

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That is most of the IIs.

gusty star
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At least they were in combat

unique rune
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and fighting the Didact wasn't...?

gusty star
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We didn’t see it lol

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Also the other IIs died fighting for some sort of mission

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Black just stumbled upon him and died

indigo orbit
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Not to interrupt but how long did TFOR last

vagrant ocean
indigo orbit
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In the game it's different than the book

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unique rune
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the game makes it so it's roughly a month-long military campaign
the book is effectively just the last two-ish days of that month thanks to retcons

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stoic hamlet
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More III’s died at Reach than II’s, now.

They lost more after Reach than during it.

stoic hamlet
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Issac and Vinh disappear, Beta and Gamma Red were left unknown.

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But they still died, at least so we were led to believe.

obsidian thistle
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I'll say this... and you know the song and dance already

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There was honestly no real way to solve it any other way. Unless you revived like most dead SIIs who died during augs

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Blame amount of SIIs who were killed during the war, the amount of Spartans introduced, AND the amount of Spartans we see post-war

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It was a impossible scenario for the writers to do nicely

stoic hamlet
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Ehhhhh, I disagree.

obsidian thistle
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The amount of SIIs we see or know about post-war kinda do put a damper on stuff

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The amount who died prior also put a damper on it

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It really was a "lose-lose"

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Do you pull from the washouts and "dead from augs", do you retcon stuff to make it work.

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I will say I probably would have killed Vannak

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His death in the show was legitimately really well done

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stoic hamlet
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Omega and Silver didn’t need to live.

Omega had a single canon fodder before their short story, you could easily say they died and their appearance in HW2 was noncanon (which it was, anyways).

Silver also have no reason to live. They have no canon tie-in media, and won’t have one even announced at least likely for another year, even ignoring that they have no actual place or purpose in canon that isn’t filled by other II’s.

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It’s a case where Nylund technically left them open to living, but thematically it’s better if they died IMO.

It also completely ruins the most recent chronicle about the Fall, killing any sort of weight it had.

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There’s so many things wrong with how they handled the Fall of Reach, and recent stuff just exacerbated it even more.

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Once again, it’s 343/HS taking the worse of the paths they had laid out for them.

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Like, you would think the company who had to save the crashing train that was the Created Narrative (a situation thrust upon things, left to sit for years, then finally worked on almost a decade later) would know not to throw stuff into the pot that could have ramifications on narrative, characters, and etc, without having things in place to immediately make those things work.

But then they… did just that, again.

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stoic hamlet
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Yeah but they were the easiest retcon ever. Like, authors weep for those retcon abilities.

obsidian thistle
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Silver Team I'd have preferred synergy with the show. But eh wasnt my list

stoic hamlet
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All they had to do was say the data was corrupted.

Heck, they pulled the same thing with Infinite in a visual medium.

obsidian thistle
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If Silver had to exist

stoic hamlet
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They had an out, is my point.

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More than one.

obsidian thistle
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I'd make Kai the only survivor. With her team being SIIIs or SIVs

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A twist on the show

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Vannak surviving kinda may cause some issues down the road for fans who dont know the show is its own continuity

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Riz 50/50 if I'd make survive or turn her into WIA like her silver counterpart. (They can still do this which would lower my issues a small tad)

hardy swan
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No need to kill anymore Spartan IIs since that is now the job of the IVs

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Die doing absolutely nothing

vagrant ocean
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We could also kill more Gammas.

unique rune
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343 is allergic to doing anything with the Gammas

wispy pewter
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Spartan IIIs are special

empty bloom
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I think the next book should start with Linda getting countersniped by a Jannissary with a Stanchion

wispy pewter
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That should warrant carpet bombing all of Venezia

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Do we have any lore of how the UEG formed

empty bloom
# tight badge Do we have any lore of how the UEG formed

The UEG was formed in 2075 as a sort of evolution of the United Nations, before getting swiftly involved as the primary Earth Government during the Interplanetary Wars where it proceeded to finish a war with Communists and Corporation-backed Fascists by swiftly destroying both.

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By 2170, a new wave of Earth patriotism (I hesitate to say 'nationalism' as Halopedia uses) radically evolved the UEG fully into what it is as of the rest of Halo's history.

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Personally, I wish more people remembered that the UNSC directly formed as a result of the need to make piles of Fascist skulls to dissuade others from following that death cult of an ideology.

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I hope we get a game or something that explores it and in general I wish we got more prequel games for stuff like Gears of War or Killzone

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carmine sleet
wispy pewter
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carmine sleet
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Ignore Jean, they do not speak for the whole community

wispy pewter
carmine sleet
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You know not every story needs to tie into the current day, right?

wispy pewter
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Yeah but there are better side stories that can be taken place in the current timeline, Heck it would be more interesting if you go back a 100,000 years instead

carmine sleet
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Explain why? Because I feel it's pretty dismissive to go "We shouldn't tell stories about something if it doesn't directly connect to the current day" and then not properly explain why

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Like, I don't care too much about the conflicts in Halo from 100 or 200 years before the current day, but that doesn't somehow mean interesting stories can't be told

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wispy pewter
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Halo Reach but its
Charum Hakkor

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an Interplanery war game would feel less Halo-y and more COD tbh

carmine sleet
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You're shifting the goalpost, first you were claiming any stories told in that period was bad. Now you're making it specifically about games

wispy pewter
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But John Evil mentioned games first. If we were to have a non main title game there are plenty of other stories that can tie into the main titles instead. However, UEG history and all that can be better told in books or short stories

tight badge
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I think the Forerunner-Flood and Human wars are better left mysteries

carmine sleet
wispy pewter
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so we have a progression of the story

carmine sleet
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And stories do get progressed, within the mainline games

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To use an example of a game we already have, I wouldn't call Halo Wars a game which progressed the story after Halo 3, because well, it was a prequel story with little to no ties to the original trilogy beyond a couple small references

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@wispy pewter I belive this because the forerunners are made to be these mythical godlike figures compared to the UEG who are literally the main characters

carmine sleet
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Halo can and has told stories which do not progress the universe before

wispy pewter
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Would you rather: Game with Naomi and Kilo 5 or a game about the UEG fighting German backed commies (apparently)

But I guess, at the end of the day, anything is acceptable. I just dont think going back on humanity's lore like that seems to be interesting as a game. Maybe before the HCW yeah, maybe.

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carmine sleet
wispy pewter
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Ok I admit defeat, Maybe an interplanetary war spin off game could potentially be interesting 😮‍💨

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They are tall Voldemort looking aliens

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carmine sleet
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We've also learnt enough about the Forerunners from the novels as is. Not to mention a Forerunner-Flood War era game would likely be a much harder game to sell to people than people think. Most casual people don't think about the Flood when it comes to Halo, they think of the big green man fighting the purple aliens

wispy pewter
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actually come to think of it. a secret level episode of whatever could be a greta medium to tell Halo's past or interesting lore. But Microsoft wont do that

tight badge
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Or helldivers

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obsidian thistle
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Mysteries are fun. But eventually yer gonna get bored seeing "X is mysterious" for the 6th time in a row.

Need new mysteries to keep us interested.

HS just allowed the Forerunners to be expanded and with it opened new mysteries to go with it.

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Precursors and the Ancestors seem to be the new bread and butter of mysteries

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And I aint against that

vagrant ocean
obsidian thistle
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There were fans getting annoyed at seeing a mysterious Forerunner macguffin appear each time for the longest time

vagrant ocean
obsidian thistle
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Mysteries can be fun but Bungie and early 343i had that issue.

vagrant ocean
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Lowkey the Ancestors are a cool mystery.

marble lion
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Mysteries is one of the few key themes for the Halo series. It brings up interesting mystery for fans interested, eventually the said mystery needs to be revealed and resolved.

small path
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They've fully explained the forerunners to the point they're not particularly mysterious

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But they also can't just do precursors

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||they seem like a good way of introducing more precursor influence and maybe tech into the game without actually introducing a race of OP space gods||

marble lion
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The Endless is the new mystery and threat which are more worse then Flood. We know who species are, the Xalanyn. The Endless is most likely to appear in Infinite’s sequel and hopefully there would be better explanations on where, there plans, and why they are immune to the Halo arrays firing.

small path
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||which is why I think they're going to drive that side of the lore into the games more||

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Stupid autocorrect

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Spoilers for the new novel

marble lion
small path
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Not sure if anyone outside of ONI knows though

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But modern humans have had direct encounters with precursors

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Not just ancient

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And iirc they didn't work for ONI

empty bloom
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I mean, I'm still convinced that the flood and precursors are the same thing in a cyclical sense (the precursors started as flood, became precursors, then became flood again), because we have enough info on the precursors that biologically it makes the most sense.

small path
empty bloom
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And in almost every recent Halo book, precursors have been involved.

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Or at least their tech.

small path
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They're literally precursors in that they're one evolution of them

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But so are certain plants, and arguably now the Endless

empty bloom
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That's literally part of why I believe they are formerly flood-turned-Precursor-turned-flood.

small path
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Neither are they currently all flood

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Some are helpful

empty bloom
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Because they aren't monolithic, because some are pacifist. I believe that Precursors are, on some level, sentient biological nanites and are, to a degree, a memetic species.

small path
empty bloom
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As the flood is also effectively biological nanites, and all existing examples of Precursor tech sounds a lot like the flood's way of interacting with the world-and how the Domain operates.

small path
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Imo they've definitely been the flood before, or at least some have. But I think they've also been basically anything you can imagine

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Dating back to maybe even before the universe

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I don't think the flood are particularly different to anything else they can be in that respect

empty bloom
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Eh, I don't really care much about the timescale. A big theme of Halo is cycles and breaking free of them.

Because, y'know. Big stupid ring.

small path
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I only say the timescale thing because that's the implied age of the domain

empty bloom
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The precursors themselves being a cyclical species of nanites that perpetuate as an emblematic cycle of violence and creation would be on par for the franchise.

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And narratively speaking it's thematically fitting.

small path
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In fact that's confirmed false rn

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There's at least 2 other forms of Precursor currently active in the galaxy

empty bloom
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Didn't really say they did...

small path
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I guess that almost places the endless as a sort of opposite

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Very similar origin, but instead they represent a new creation and nurturing

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Kinda

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But then again the plants already do this

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My only thing with this is the fact they can exist metaphysically too so they're not all necessarily part of this kinda cycle

craggy atlas
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Who thinks the Prophet's homeworld isn’t gone and that they have colonies like any species? Please raise your hands and say aye.✋

minor sky
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While a lot of my issues with the story come from it being.... not very good, it occured to me that one aspect of The Next 72 Hours I really don't like is how "try-hard" some of it comes across

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The Didact getting stabbed in the eye, members of Black Team getting decapitated or their limbs torn off, the broken visor showing Chief's eye, ect.

minor sky
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I don't remember where I heard this critque, but I remember somebody talking about how Halo 4 didn't really give a straight answer as to what purpose Requiem served. And while idk if that is completely the case, I do think the game could've leaned into the setting's concept of "Forerunner Military Base" a lot more

unique rune
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I guess it’s never really clear about Requiem’s purpose other than
-Forerunner
-contains Didact
but at the same time I feel like it’s really not that important?

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like the function of a Shield World isn’t really relevant to anything going on in the campaign

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it’s a Forerunner structure that houses one of the last living Forerunners and that’s kind of the only thing that matters to Halo 4’s narrative

minor sky
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I think it is less about it being a McGuffin like the Halo rings were and instead incorporating its function into the locations you visit

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Like the Gas Mine or Sentinal Factory in Halo 2

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Those locations aren't super important to the game, but they do make great use of their locations to give you insight into the world and make things a bit more interesting

unique rune
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I’m just struggling to figure out how you could do that for Requiem without it feeling weird or contrived

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most of the structures and locations that you visit on Requiem have pretty specific functions that are immediately relevant to what’s going on rather than just sort of incidental

minor sky
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Have one of the locations Chief and Cortana go to be some sort of military complex or Warrior Servant shrine

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Like before they run into the Didact

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Good place to do some foreshadowing

minor sky
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Requiem (the level) and especially Shutdown are guilty of this

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I think Requiem's issue with it comes from how the level flows from one area to the next

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Meanwhile Shutdown is where the game's Forerunner architecture falls flat into a mishmashed mess

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I've used this comparison before, but take the Gas Mine in Halo 2 and how it used the context of its setting to direct the level design. Then look at Shutdown which attempts a similar "dynamic environment" thing; it has no real purpose in the context of the environment other than "the developers wanted it here"

minor sky
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Because that is an area the game could've really used more focus on

unique rune
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I dunno, to me that feels like it’d be getting unnecessarily sidetracked

maybe something to explore more in Spartan Ops but that feels like it’d just be an awkward tangent to go off on when the campaign is primarily about Chief and Cortana trying to get “home” safe
H4 already has a clunky infodump cutscene inserted into it and I’m not sure if it’d be a good idea to have more like that in the main campaign

warm ridge
# vagrant ocean And now the hardliners are getting upset by them being explained.

I have no idea why people get upset over things finally getting answered / explained.
Mysteries are meant to be explained, stories are meant to evolve. Not just stay forever as questions that never get answered.

You could say it like "Everything has a beginning, and a end." The end of every story is meant to complete it. Not leave open ended cliffhangers that just frustrate the readers / watchers.

warm ridge
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Forerunners would've recognized & detected that immediately if they were.

minor sky
warm ridge
minor sky
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Like, we learn about the Composer with only three levels left to go

wispy pewter
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If the arrays target all life then how can a life form be immune unless…

warm ridge
warm ridge
# small path There's at least 2 other forms of Precursor currently active in the galaxy

5 actually.
2 Precursors from Outcasts book, currently following Rosa Fuertes or are following the "Guardian Killing Weapon".
-# More so hinting towards Rosa because they stated if she ever mentions there existence to anyone, she gets erased.
2 Precursors who turned themselves in plants, currently located on shield world Bastion.
1 Precursor aka the Primordial who controlled the Flood, and may still control the Flood in the modern day, but this is never said anywhere.

minor sky
empty bloom
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Also, you think CBRN isn't canon to Halo.

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That alone makes any of your takes hardly worthy of consideration.

warm ridge
# empty bloom Naive, not a counterargument, flatly wrong.

You are entirely wrong because so much stuff exist that goes against that belief.

  1. The Flood are a "creation" from the Precursors perspective, lead by the Primordial. We don't know when they were created, but they aren't Precursors.
  2. The Precursors were supposedly "planning" to delete the Forerunners anyways, as confirmed by the Primordial.
  3. "Millions of other species from the dawn of time, beyond and before. We create, We delete. It is our nature. It is our right."
warm ridge
warm ridge
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Halo 4 has so many lines in it that get overlooked just because people want to rush from point A to point B.

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Halo 5 also has this issue, 10 times worse actually.

minor sky
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Oh 100%

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So much of Halo 5 suffers from telling and not showing. Which is ironic given how visually dense Halo 5 is

warm ridge
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Halo 4 does a waay better job of explaining stuff and going through it all though. Honestly it's kinda the only way they could do it, not without extending the game by another 10 missions or something.

minor sky
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I honestly think that two extra missions would go a long way

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Halo 5's issue is that important details just aren't paid attention to because players would rather rush through a mission as fast as possible rather then take it slow & pay attention to what all is going on.

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It's bad when the most info players got out of Halo 5 are the times when you're forced to slow down, forced to stay in position, forced to wait.

minor sky
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And then drizzle some more story beats throughout the other levels

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Obviously, I'm not a professional writer/game designer, but this approch makes the most sense to em

warm ridge
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believe that's the case, I know Halo 4 was supposed to have more missions that did get cut. It also has a ton of cut dialogue.

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unique rune
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they are immune to neither

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Lekgolo eels are still susceptible to Flood infection, their aggregate forms just don’t get infected the way that individuals of other species do

the individual eels also still have their own central nervous systems

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Fine. Hunters are immune

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Nerd

wispy pewter
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Unless you’re a plant

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Or SpongeBob

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How are they sentient or feel without a nervous system?
The only explanation is that they have Halo proof skin

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Like for example HUNTERS

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There's also examples of animals on our planet which don't have a central nervous system

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Most are in the oceans

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So stuff like clams, starfish or sea urchins

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carmine sleet
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He indeed was not cooking

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You can cook starfish however (I don't know how it would taste because I don't eat fish)

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carmine sleet
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I believe in them