lore-and-universe

[versed helm]

you're chancing that we'll get him back, that he wont break; that he wont just die on their terms

[vagrant ocean]

Especially a wisecracker like Lasky.

[carmine sleet]

Also, isn't it proven that torture is notoriously bad for getting information anyway?

[vagrant ocean]

It’s a proven fact.

[versed helm]

there are all kinds of ways to get information

they'll have time to try them all once he's captured

[vagrant ocean]

The Banished use torture, the worst method.

Mainly due to the primary race in the faction being primitives.

[carmine sleet]

He's just sat there telling the Banished stories about his time in the academy and making jokes about how any second now, Chief will come through the door

[versed helm]

bro's speciesist

jk i understand

[versed helm]

you mean, the master chief; who was floating in the vaccuum of space for 6 months?

[vagrant ocean]

“Did I tell you about the first time I saw a Zealot? Chief kicked in the door, only 14 years old, and bashed its skull in with his rifle. Think how many of you will die when he finds out I’m here.”

[versed helm]

tell me this, what do you think happens if the banished have custody of lasky for 6 months

[carmine sleet]

You know prisoners can joke about someone coming to save them, right?

[versed helm]

you know you can only joke for so long right?

[vagrant ocean]

They torture him, try to squeeze information from the most loyal member of the UNSC we’ve ever seen.

[versed helm]

there's a lot of hours in a day to be tortured, a lot of days in a month; and you think he surely won't break after half a year?

[vagrant ocean]

He’d rather die.

You’re seriously underestimating him.

[versed helm]

well yeah, he literally might end up dying from the torture

[vagrant ocean]

Again, torture is the worst method of extracting information.

[versed helm]

if he's smart he'll try to give them false information and stall as long as he can, maybe even try to get them to torture him so much that he dies

[versed helm]

you're seriously overestimating the mental resolve of a human being

if a person was tortured for 12 hours straight, they easily could break

12 more of those in a day

let's do some math

six months of that

how many hours of torture do you expect him to endure, exactly?

i think it would be unfair to him to expect him to hold out that long

banished torture doesnt seem very sophisticated, but there are so many ways to do it

up to 4,000 hours in a torture chamber could make even the most iron clad mind break

[carmine sleet]

Again, torture is proven to not be effective at extracting information from someone

[versed helm]

prove it for 6 months

[vagrant ocean]

Can I just say, what happened to Griffin’s armor after the tower? Personally, I’d at least take the helmet

[versed helm]

every day

[orchid kettle]

nuh uh the Brutes learned about that special key thing from Ackerson

[versed helm]

ackerson played them like a fiddle

[orchid kettle]

and they would have gotten it too if the UNSC didn't blast them to kingdom come

[versed helm]

what he did was genius

[vagrant ocean]

Key of Osanalan, the most powerful Forerunner relic

[carmine sleet]

No because I'm not going to break the law just to prove my point. Kidnapping and torturing someone is illegal

[versed helm]

oh, okay

[vagrant ocean]

I just don’t support torture because it’s inefficient

[versed helm]

i guess the banished will be good little monkeys and obey the law

[orchid kettle]

I do like the idea that the Halo universe is so full of random macguffins that you could convince anybody that there's one nearby if you just give it some cool sounding proper noun

[carmine sleet]

I like to think the UNSC survivors went in and picked it up so that if any Spartan needed repairs done, they could do what they can with those parts

[carmine sleet]

My dude... You asked me to prove torture was ineffective

[vagrant ocean]

That’s what some of my OCs did to make their MJÖLNIR, just used whatever they could find.

[versed helm]

My dude... You can't

it varies person to person

[vagrant ocean]

Those Bravo Kilos will believe anything.

[versed helm]

and that number of hours is what we're discussing

up to 4,000

[orchid kettle]

Typically torture is more so about the victim just saying whatever they think the captor wants to hear to make the pain go away

[noble urchin]

The spartans would rather their armour pieces go towards helping other spartans anyway, something along those lines was said in the rubicon protocol book

[carmine sleet]

Aye

[vagrant ocean]

Torture has been proven to be ineffective by looking at reports from Guantanamo. The people there have been there for YEARS and we’ve never gotten any actionable information.

[vagrant ocean]

That and it’d be a waste of resources to leave it there.

[orchid kettle]

Funnily enough one of the most extensive reports we have on torture comes from the Spanish Inquisition

[vagrant ocean]

Imagine if Chief’s helmet shattered and he had to rock the Mk VII

[noble urchin]

For sure

[versed helm]

im sure the banished will try it anyways

[versed helm]

before, or after being thrown into orbit

[carmine sleet]

I'd hope he could find some paint to make it match the rest of his armour

[vagrant ocean]

Nah, the color difference would be sick. Just Chief kitbashing half his armor with Griffin’s.

[versed helm]

Mark VI GEN3 is the best chief look we've seen

[vagrant ocean]

I disagree. Halo Legends The Package.

[versed helm]

inspired by that honestly

talking about the mainline games anyways

[vagrant ocean]

I liked the cracked visor from H5

[versed helm]

h2/h3 chief would definitely be the next best, to me

mark V after that

[orchid kettle]

I think also even from the Banished perspective, its not worth keeping every last prisoner alive if torture doesn't provide anything useful at first

[carmine sleet]

I wish that was something we could toggle on the Mark VI MOD helmet in Infinite. I want a clean version in game

[versed helm]

the h4/h5 GEN2 armor was kind of cool, particularly the cracked visorbut i rank it the lowest

[vagrant ocean]

I do like how the CBRN attachment for it teases that Gold and Silver teams are still active.

[versed helm]

yeah, i mean; if your VIP may just die anyways - why trust them to not break?

you can remove the chance of them giving in by just smoking them

[carmine sleet]

Aye, Silver I expected to be brought up again after we got confirmation they existed in the main timeline, Gold was a surprise though

[vagrant ocean]

Maybe Maria returned to active duty and is leading Gold? I want Maria back. She’s got potential. Much like Randall she ACTUALLY has something to keep fighting for.

Assuming she had a kid between 2552 and 2560

[versed helm]

actually, im curious

what if it was someone like Halsey?

rather than Lasky

would you count on her the same way, or would you smoke her last second?

[vagrant ocean]

Halsey would do what she did with ‘Mdama.

[vagrant ocean]

Pretty sure the UNSC has orders to never let her escape again.

[carmine sleet]

I hope we learn what Maria is doing soon. Shame she's not been touched upon for years

[versed helm]

which means they'd kill her?

if the risk was posed

[vagrant ocean]

Well, she is a war criminal, that alone would be grounds for her liquidation.

[versed helm]

definitely a war criminal

she's also the fall-guy to be honest

[vagrant ocean]

There’s so many Spartans that need to be touched upon.

[vagrant ocean]

She’s also worked with hostile forces before.

[versed helm]

i wonder about someone like parangosky being at risk of falling into enemy hands

[noble urchin]

Id love to hear from the ferrets i really enjoyed their whole arc, gave me much more appreciation for the spartan-iii

[vagrant ocean]

Nah, she’s prolly on some uncharted world she appropriated for her personal use.

[versed helm]

yeah, im sure of that

[orchid kettle]

parangosky is a fall risk

[versed helm]

but in a what-if scenario?

[carmine sleet]

Important to note Halsey isn't part of the chain of command, she's a civilian consultant during the war and a war criminal after. She's useful, but she isn't a commanding officer

[orchid kettle]

because she's old

[carmine sleet]

Aye. I also hope we get more stuff on Omega Team after the Waypoint Chronicle, they intrigue me

[versed helm]

she has a lot of information, could prove a dangerous turncoat mind for the enemy as well

[orchid kettle]

where's sigma team

[carmine sleet]

Surprised you're not asking for Alpha Team

[vagrant ocean]

Silver Team, whatever Spartans make up Gold, Maria, Naomi (not a fan of hers), Keiichi (MIA as of 2558), Joseph (last seen in 2525), Carris (hasn’t been seen since she killed a man in 2520), and a few of the washouts that might’ve been rehabilitated all need to be talked about.

[vagrant ocean]

?

[carmine sleet]

AlphaBenson has Alpha in their username

[vagrant ocean]

Ah

[versed helm]

let's say parangosky has an ONI escort detail or whatever and is being transferred between worlds or something, and for some reason, some way somehow; innies or the banished or whoever assail the transport shuttle

do you even risk fighting to the last man or do you just self-destruct the whole ship

can you afford allowing any chance of her becoming an enemy hostage/prisoner?

i honestly wouldnt be suprised if she has a bomb inside her head ready to blow in case of a situation like this

[minor sky]

Is a hollow tooth considered passé in the future?/j

[sleek vigil]

Meanwhile Silver Timeline Parangosky...

[twin parcel]

just loredumped the entire halo series to my girlfriend whose never gotten into the lore. safe to say she's flabbergasted.

[carmine sleet]

Well yeah, you don't just dump the lore onto them, you ease them in by playing CE with them first

[twin parcel]

lmao she's played all the Halo games co-op with me

but she's never been into the actual lore, she just wanted to kill aliens.

i think i broke her brain when i started talking about ancient humanity and charum hakkor though.

[sour raven]

EASE THEM IN

[twin parcel]

at least she's not catatonic like when loredumped 40k onto her...

apparently 40k lore will make people unaccustomed to it just shut down to process it.

[sour raven]

Oh

[versed helm]

what'd she do?

[sleek vigil]

She got jumped by hordes of Flood and probably now turned into a proto-Gravemind at Onyx. Flood would extract information about Earth and whatnot from her head.

[sleek vigil]

Well, no one around me cares about Halo, that's why I'm here. 😭

[versed helm]

god damn that's metal as hell

[vagrant ocean]

Dooming that timeline unless Jimmy Rings sets off the Halo.

[stoic hamlet]

Genuinely I find the Silver Timeline so odd with stuff like that.

But Onyx being taken over by Flood does imply the Silver Timeline Forerunner-Flood war was worse than in canon.

[wind surge]

Is the ai in the mission the foundation in halo infinite cortana

I'm wondering because it seems like it is her

[gilded mason]

All will be revealed eventually.

[carmine sleet]

You mean the one Chief picks up from the room full of Cylixes?

[wind surge]

Ye I think so

[stoic hamlet]

All will be revealed in time.

[gilded mason]

You'll find out later

[strange pumice]

No, it's The Weapon

[wind surge]

Ok

[strange pumice]

Not Cortana

[wind surge]

I'm replaying halo 5 and halo infinite on legendary

[versed helm]

yo where'd you get your profile pic from?

[sleek vigil]

I have a suspicion that they planned Forerunners to be human.

My theory is that, John is Didact, and Makee is the Librarian — Reborn.

That's why everything that had ever happened lead John to Halo.

That's also why Gravemind has been waiting for him.

[orchid kettle]

Which Didact

[wind surge]

I looked up Noble six and found a good photo

[orchid kettle]

or do you figure Sundered-Star and Bornstellar would've just been fused into one character

[sleek vigil]

The one who slept with the Librarian.

[orchid kettle]

in hindsight its really weird how only the Didact has a memory-clone of himself running around

instead of like, characters regularly showing up in different bodies because their memories just hopped to a new body

[vagrant ocean]

What happened here?

A TON of stuff got deleted

[twin prawn]

Maybe there was something unacceptable and protocol dictated action

[vagrant ocean]

UNACCEPTABLE!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!!

[native coral]

[sleek vigil]

What happened?

[vagrant ocean]

No clue

[sleek vigil]

You said stuff got deleted? 🤔

[vagrant ocean]

I just got here

Pretty sure

[sleek vigil]

I think I saw some messages thay appeared and disappeared.

[carmine sleet]

(I think we're supposed to be talking about lore, not asking why stuff got deleted)

[sleek vigil]

Will this get deleted too? 😭

[versed helm]

Mod probably saw stuff they didn’t think was fit and banished it to the shadow realm. The Halo Lore chat now has lore of its own.

[stoic hamlet]

This is also going to get deleted, they deleted other people’s messages about stuff getting deleted. So that’s… a thing.

Anyways, how about that Zeta Halo weather, huh? Did you guys catch that game of Tossers the other night? Fun times, fun times…

[obsidian thistle]

Ah Zeta Halo. Loftus did a great thing with that

https://www.halopedia.org/images/e/ee/ZetaHalo_Rotation-SLoftus.jpg?2377a

[versed helm]

Uh, well, I saw a Grunt trip over a rock the other day

Ok y’all, say we get captured by the Halo 2 Gravemind, and say that we address it as the Primordial alongside telling it everything we fans know about it currently. How do we think the Gravemind will react to this?

[high elbow]

I don’t think it’ll care too much tbh. How on earth is modern military equipment (of any country/nation) supposed to stop a flood infestation.

Considering how little space travel is currently available, for anyone to get captured by the grave mind means it’s already on earth and therefore too late

[empty bloom]

You'd basically need to nuke it to oblivion right away with everything we have and even that might not be enough.

[versed helm]

Since the destruction of flood needs to be down to the last super cell to be complete, I honestly think we’d end us destroying our selfs with the nuke far quicker than we could destroy the flood.

[vagrant ocean]

Let’s say an outbreak happened in a rural Australian town, pretty much cut off from civilization. We just napalm and nuke that entire region.

[hardy swan]

Quarantine

Staying at home and wearing masks

[spark pivot]

it wouldn't react lol, and 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999-% of the times that you'd be captured, it'd be by an infection form to the chest and it would learn it anyways

earth would also be cooked

[obsidian thistle]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/halo-waypoint-chronicles-volume-one-cover-reveal

I can spot a good Levi artwork anywhere

Only he can draw Mark V Scout that way

[carmine sleet]

Nice to see Tilson being a major part of the artwork

Oh worm, the one releasing in October is gonna celebrate Halo 5's 10 anniversary

[strange pumice]

Poor doctor
Been killed by a mad foreruner

She deserved a better life

[carmine sleet]

She isn't dead

Like, she's living a perfectly fine life on Genesis these days...

[strange pumice]

And, perhaps most importantly... what did the Master Chief and the Arbiter discuss after that legendary barbeque on Sanghelios at the end of Halo 5?

I like this lane

[strange pumice]

I mean about human form, not promethean

[carmine sleet]

She got "better"

[high elbow]

Her cell needs more enrichment. Prometheans need occasional mental and physical stimulation otherwise they go cell crazy

[lavish jetty]

Did you guys see that Keith David (VA of the Arbiter) got himself a Hollywood Star?

Bit random, but the Arbiter is someone I've been wanting to see more of for quite some time

[sour raven]

Im pretty sure they referencing that one line read at hcs, that downes, keith, and taylor did

[drowsy mesa]

Four new Chronicles, neat
And the second one will feature Benjamin Giraud again

[minor sky]

Very cool

Also is there any reason for why the Delta Halo monitors look different?

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah, that’s the one they’re referencing.

Technically for those who’ve kept up with these, only 10 will actually be new when it releases. Everything else you can find online already.

I do wonder how that’ll work though. Will they delete/remove the ones already there?

[carmine sleet]

You mean Zeta Halo's? The Monitor for Delta looked exactly like Spark, albeit red instead of blue

[minor sky]

Sorry yeah

Zeta

[carmine sleet]

There's seven of them, it get confusing

[sour raven]

Isnt there like a lot of monitors on zeta

[carmine sleet]

Those are Sub-Monitors, exclusive to Zeta

[sour raven]

Potato tomato

[carmine sleet]

But we don't know why the Monitor for Zeta looks so different (Or why the Sub-Monitors look identical to Pyre)

[sour raven]

They special

[reef orbit]

Does anyone else here think that the master chief story books by Troy Denning feel like mission impossible movies?

[hardy swan]

Maybe that’s where he gets inspiration from

[spark pivot]

my guess is they're probably a different model from when Zeta Halo was part of the original 12 rings and required more monitors and were a less refined design

[minor sky]

Thats about as good an answer as I can think of

[carmine sleet]

I can see that

[obsidian thistle]

Monitors can change their shells

That much is known

[carmine sleet]

Ah fair

[obsidian thistle]

As long as the durance is present, it doesnt matter what shell or body it uses

(So yes in theory Pyre is still alive)

[silver radish]

Hola

I love halo

https://tenor.com/view/halo-teabag-gif-12948320

[vagrant ocean]

Makes sense given the size of the original array.

[sleek vigil]

I'm sure his his bulb is supposed to be blue. He's in danger, so red. Like how 343 GS or Resolution turn red.

[carmine sleet]

We've seen Monitors with different eye colours, such as Abject Testament, who had a more yellow colour

[vagrant ocean]

2401 is naturally red.

[lavish jetty]

Is there a Monitor that has a feminine voice, or do they all basically sound like Guilty Spark?

[stoic hamlet]

They’re all different. All unique.

[lavish jetty]

2401 sounds very similar to 343

Not same, slightly different.

I was curious if the other Monitors are the same way, or if others are more obviously different

[carmine sleet]

Exuberant Witness (Monitor of Genesis) and Despondent Pyre (Formerly the Monitor of Zeta Halo) both had feminine voices

But like Canadian said, they're all different

[obsidian thistle]

Thats also a source of Pyre in the CEA shell

Spark changed shells occasionally also but not as drastic

He went from CEA to H2A to H3 (which for all purposes is the CEA one)

[carmine sleet]

Aye, so now I have to wonder why Pyre changed her shell? Was it something to do with the Endless or was it just preference?

[stoic hamlet]

“Look cute, might change my shell later, idk”

[carmine sleet]

Too bad she died before we really got to see her show off her shell to us

[obsidian thistle]

The durance wasn't destroyed I think...

[carmine sleet]

Find her a new body, maybe this next one can be more durable against Skimmers

[thorn spindle]

if i had minions id choose sentinels not those skimmers

skimmers dont even have their own cool gun

[minor sky]

Do you guys ever think the Composer's design is slightly underwhealming?

[high elbow]

Yup. It’s just kind of a chunk of forerunner bits and bobs to me. Like neat, it can digitize people but also looks like a generic set piece

[unique rune]

I’ve never really given it much thought so I guess in that sense you could say that

[minor sky]

I think it would've been cooler if it wasn't so sleek

Thats an issue I have with a lot of Halo 4's Forerunner spaces (especially in Spartan Ops)

[minor sky]

More like the Forerunner ships we see in Halo Wars

Or alternatively if it was the one piece of all white, totally sleek Forerunner structures we see in the game. To really make it feel special in comparison

Idk, I think as it was it lacked that weight/presence as the all powerful MacGuffin of the game

Also speaking of the Composer, one thing I really wish Halo 4 did was have the opening shot of Composer (the level) have a Covenant Assualt Carrier be the first ship we see before being absolutely dwarfed by the Mantle's Approch

We only see Lichs beside it

[vivid scaffold]

Hello, ive played halo 1 2 3 and 3odst 4 (almost done) and 5 (i forgot everthing)

When i was kid i remember there was some kind of mission , we were outside it was kinda dark. It was some kind of natural place. Anyway i wasn't alone there were soliders with me. After killing all the convenants , we see some kind of green light and we are teleported into the spacial ship or whatever of the convenants. We had to save humans etc I remember there was some kind of HUMAN BALL ???? Some kind of experiment or whatever , as far i remember it was someone important, it was scary. Not sure if it was a flood or whatever but it was a ball

Did i mix up halo with another game? im pretty sure it was halo ahh

[unique rune]

sounds like it's probably this mission from Combat Evolved
https://www.halopedia.org/Keyes

[bronze prawn]

why didnt the gravemind use its mental powers on chief and arbitrer

when he talked to the didact after its exile, he show him mentally all the flood has and would cause across the galaxy

he did the same to faber and the librarian I think

rushing their minds with horrors and stuff

[unique rune]

26th century Gravemind probably could only access a fraction of the power that the Gravemind at the height of the Forerunner-Flood War could

[rotund relic]

What happened to the infinity after it was badly damaged (halo Infine)

Was it destroyed?

[bronze prawn]

doesnt the gravemind has the knowledge of all the previous gravemind´s

[unique rune]

Yes but there’s only so much that a relatively localized Flood outbreak can do with its collective consciousness compared to one that’s pretty much all over the galaxy

not to mention that the modern day Gravemind wouldn’t have the same access to a lot of Precursor neural physics-y stuff that the ancient Gravemind did

[rotund relic]

Are we talking about if the flood broke out during halo infinite?

[unique rune]

no

[bronze prawn]

but he was still able to pass the logic plague

[rotund relic]

Or halo 3

[bronze prawn]

and from that seed on cortana he undirectly wrecked havoc across the galaxy again

[unique rune]

logic plague isn’t something that gets “passed”

[bronze prawn]

infects

puts

implants

[unique rune]

it’s not even really an infection
it’s basically just a super advanced form of debate that comes in a variety of forms to convince some sort of intelligence to advance the Flood’s goals

[bronze prawn]

also IIRC epitaph implies that the whole thing with the didact and cortana is HIS plan

bro is some steps above us

[unique rune]

I guess arguably the main thing is like

why would the Gravemind need to do this to either of them

in 2 and 3 they basically all shared a common goal of stopping Truth from firing the rings

[empty bloom]

It was literally a matter of mutual benefit, so it's not like he needed to.

[unique rune]

the Gravemind doesn’t need to mind torture them to make them do what it wants

[minor sky]

Likely

[bronze prawn]

I mean, by the time he tortured the didact the flood already had the upper hand on the war

he WAS aware of the halos

and that they wouldnt work

so i guess it was just him being a jerk ?

something similar with faber with his wifves and children

[river remnant]

Something something…We defeated the wrong enemy…

[minor sky]

#1355503609147822091 message

Quick question because you guys would have more perspectice on this- thoughts?

[minor sky]

I think what would've been cool is if the Composer was hidden inside of a "shell" that the Didact pulls it out of. I remember some concept art showing the Composer having a "Cathedral" look to it, maybe something like that would be cool for the shell

[stoic hamlet]

On the “book translated to a game”?

[minor sky]

Yeah

[stoic hamlet]

I think the set pieces could work, but not the events. There’s an inherent issue with trying to translate stuff into different mediums.

We see the inverse of this with Halo: The Flood, for example.

[minor sky]

Mhm. I still think the events of Empty Throne have too many important pieces being introduced or explained to just be left in a novel which- if we learned anything from Halo 4- not every player will read or even know exists

(On that note, a Forerunner Trilogy RPG or something would be awesome)

[stoic hamlet]

I mean, no, not really? Nothing in Empty Throne actually matters for the next game. Even if it involves characters from Empty Throne

[minor sky]

I'm talking more so in how it gives clarity to what happened between 5 and Infinite

As well as showing the shifting tides in the Galaxy with the Banished's rising and inner-politics

Information and events I believe should be exprienced by fans who aren't engaged with the EU

[obsidian thistle]

As a small reminder! 🙂 The book club this month is live!

https://discord.com/channels/471722331820130324/1379175182991753277

[odd spear]

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the gravemind’s first lines in the game “This is not your grave, But you are welcome to it.” During the outro of regret?

[minor sky]

I believe so

[strange pumice]

Yes, it is

[minor sky]

Of the two lines Jason Jones gave Joseph Staten for "Halo 2's story", I am personally glad that
"I am a monument to all of your sins" made it in over Master Chief saying
"Only blood will pay for this."

Also so glad Miranda Keyes betraying the UNSC was given the axe as well

[latent olive]

So, are the marine uniforms from halo CE, different from the ones we see in halo 2a and 3?
Are the CE marine uniforms strictly for the crew upon the Pillar of Autumn?

[minor sky]

I'm sorry but I just can't imagine Chief saying something like that. Ik it was very early on in the series, but it just feels off for how he was depicted in the games

[karmic gulch]

can non spartan personnel still wear MJOLNIR helmets?

[strange pumice]

No

Mjolnir has been designed SPECIFICALLY only for Spartans

If you tried to use it(as a marine or non augmented human), it will kill you so fast, so you can't even realise what just happened

[karmic gulch]

Oh

I thought they might be able to since in MCC the pilot helmet description says it’s compatible with all armor

[strange pumice]

Marines have their own equipment, and Spartans their own equipment

[hardy swan]

yes normal humans can't wear 300 kilograms of titanium alloy

[stoic hamlet]

The helmets themselves are probably fine.

But they’re much heavier, and likely a regular person can’t bear the weight, but their much heavier actual helmet itself is fine.

technically you can wear the full suit.

The issue is trying to move.

[karmic gulch]

As seen on the fall of reach

[empty bloom]

Still say it's stupid that the guy wearing the armor died. Breaking something, sure, but dying? You're telling me Halsey is too foolish to add an automatic shutoff to a test demo?

[tropic forge]

They turned them off.

[ionic tiger]

I think it’s implied to guy made too sudden of a movement and it spiraled from there. A cut off switch probably wouldn’t have helped.

[minor sky]

If only they had Locke's restraining bolt/j

[karmic gulch]

lol

[obsidian thistle]

Depends on the helmet also

Some are specifically said they can be used

And I been theorising that it also depends on the Generation/version

[stoic hamlet]

It depends on how heavy it is.

But really any helmet, like, firmware, would be totally usable by a regular human.

[obsidian thistle]

Dare using Mark VI Recon always has been a "moment".

And then Dare using Rakshasa years later

Rakshasa probably has a discussion to be had seeing as regular humans and jannisaries can use it

[carmine sleet]

I assumed Dare in Rakshasa was just them using it to make something close to what Dare's gear is within Infinite and not meant to be taken as Dare literally wearing Rakshasa

[obsidian thistle]

I on the other hand think it may be the new "middleground" Mjolnir

A set that anyone can wear

BUT

Its not as good "good" as regular GEN3 Mjolnir.

(Gameplay would never show this)

[stoic hamlet]

She could also just be wearing the armour plates, but not a strength enhancing techsuit. Rakshasa is so barebones the actual thing that makes Rakshasa “Rakshasa” might literally be the actual helmet of the same name, and a specific, accompanying techsuit.

If say, all your armour plates are Mark IV, but just the outer plates… are you wearing Mark IV?

[obsidian thistle]

Ultimately I dont like casually disregarding artwork unless told. Feels "wrong"

[latent olive]

So, are the marine uniforms from halo CE, different from the ones we see in halo 2a and 3?
Are the CE marine uniforms strictly for the crew upon the Pillar of Autumn?

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/déjàvu-gif-13324239

[thorn spindle]

ye they were just halo 1 style i guess it can be explained from whatever lore

but at certain point it jst becomes ok write something to explain diff game style or graphics

[twin parcel]

Honestly i think the best lore explanation is that.

considering my favorite marine army design is Halo: Reach and Halo Infinite, perfect mix of tactical gear and sci-fi.

it's perfect, modern day tac-pouches and load bearing equipment mixed with the classic sci-fi halo marine breastplate and helmet.

now only if we had standardized load bearing equipment for MJOLNIR. where the hell are they stuffing MREs, bedrolls and other equipment.

[unique rune]

magnets

[minor sky]

I keep going back and forth on Halo 4's marines. One moment I'll look at one of them and think "oh this is a downgrade", another I'll look at them and think "These designs are awesome"

[unique rune]

I think the design would be alright if not for the weird default color choice

the mix of sand beige, olive drab, red-orange, and dark grey is

weird and just sort of a bit too much

[latent olive]

What?

[unique rune]

1. Yes, presumably the Marine uniforms in CE are a different variety from the other games
2. No, nothing has ever explicitly stated or implicitly suggested that they were something unique to the Autumn. Halo Wars 2's Armored Marines Blitz card use similar armor to that of the CE Marines so it's probably a safe bet that it's used throughout the UNSCMC

[carmine sleet]

They looked best in black I feel, which gives them a pretty distinct vibe that we never really see with any UNSC troops in the other games

[minor sky]

I remember seeing some photos from a couple of mods that I think smoothed out some of the issues lemmie see if I can find them

https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/1bybjwm/given_the_discussion_a_couple_weeks_ago_what_are/#lightbox

Here

[carmine sleet]

Genesong and Reflow's look better than Mythic's (Minus the ONI security for Reflow, not sure why they have blue shoulders)

This does serve as a good reminder for me to figure out the colours I want for my own mod I'm planning

[unique rune]

I think I’m just too used to how they look normally because these ones all just look wrong to me lol

[carmine sleet]

Fair

[unique rune]

I feel like there might also something off about the texturing and lighting that isn’t helping

[carmine sleet]

Aye, when I tried recreating how the textures work in UE, there was a bunch of weird things about half the marines and how their textures worked

[sleek vigil]

Marines armour has been the most inconsistent.

[latent olive]

Thank you.
Which would be better to use in a animated series, an improved CE marines armor, or halo 2 anniversary marine?

[unique rune]

I... think that mostly just comes down to preference and workload

[minor sky]

I think these are all pretty good, I really prefer the medic's redesign. The original felt too inconsistent with the UNSC's design language

[minor sky]

Probably H2A

One thing that I think was lost in translation between Bungie and 343i is the micro-detail Bungie applyed to the UNSC guns, vehicles, and armor

Stuff like the blood types on the marine's shoulder pieces

[latent olive]

Okay:)

[minor sky]

I may be biased because of how good they look in Blur's animations

[stoic hamlet]

343 definitely also applied those. At least at first.

Infinite has some of the best examples of this, at least to begin with.

They stopped doing it though as time went on, because (if I recall) the person who was doing those details was a contractor or an employee who was laid off.

[minor sky]

Damn that sucks

The guns in Infinite looked way better because of it

[stoic hamlet]

Making literally every piece of art canon is how you get some absurd situations like suits of SPI that are so similar they may as well be the same suit, but because literally every detail is canon, they’re actually different suits.

And there’s no actual reason for that to occur.

But because we can’t just say “artistic license” we’re stuck with that.

Same with say, the now… what, dozen iterations of the Mark IV, V, and VI that were just meant to be the base, already known suit, but now are canonized as some esoteric variant.

[vagrant ocean]

Ultimately I explain the uniform differences as a difference in unit or even manufacturer

[obsidian thistle]

🫠 I like that to a degree.

I guess it comes down to opinion

[stoic hamlet]

I don’t mind it in some cases, but a lot of times it feels egregious.

[empty bloom]

Let me know if/when you need a playtester for it. I'm dying for something to do and actually upload recordings for.

[carmine sleet]

I'm still in preproduction because my neurodivergent brain keeps getting distracted

I also need to hope my laptop won't try and kill itself when I open mod tools

[twin parcel]

oh yeah, let me just strap my bedroll, eight mres and other issued equipment that aren't magnetic to my magnetic holsters

skyrim level logic.

[strange pumice]

Is there any image of the Spartan 4 undersuit?(Halo infinite timeline)

[vagrant ocean]

At the moment there are no images of only the GEN3 tech suit.

[carmine sleet]

Why are you referring to it as "Halo Infinite timeline"? Infinite isn't a seperate continuity to the previous games

[strange pumice]

Sadly, no wonder that i didn't find anything

[orchid kettle]

Spartan Griffin is purely in his tech suit, ain't he

https://www.halopedia.org/images/5/55/HINF-Griffinconcept.jpg?e2ff2

[vagrant ocean]

Oh yeh

[carmine sleet]

We have a good look at his undersuit in game as well

[strange pumice]

Thanks

[carmine sleet]

But also, it doesn't match what it looks like when he was fully armoured

[orchid kettle]

Its possible the GEN3 tech suit isn't really like the GEN2 one where you just slap the armor pieces directly on top

and that like, its just the layer immediately under the outer plating

Like I think for Mark VII you can see how the arms seem to be part of a layer that's underneath the rest of the torso section

weirdly enough the abdomen part of Griffin's suit makes it look more like Chief's Mark VI

I've also personally railed against the idea that GEN1 (and I suppose by extension, Mark VII since it takes so many design cues from Mark VB) is constructed in the same way as GEN2, where you have the Undersuit -> Tech/Exo Suit -> Outer Plating layers as three distinct things

and I think instead, the flexible black material between the colored plates are just part of the same outermost layer, and are just there to give the joints the ability to move

in which case Griffin may just be wearing the undersuit instead of the tech suit, for whatever difference that really makes

In TFOR MJOLNIR was described as like a 3D puzzle being assembled around the wearer, with Sam noting that he wouldn't have the faintest idea on how to remove the suit or put it back on without assistance

and I feel like that doesn't really fit with how GEN2 is

Of course 343 has kept the Brokkr's design from its Spartan Ops days, but I think its telling that they haven't ever really tried to create a similar "armor up" sequence for GEN3 like we got for GEN2

Actually unless you wanna count the "Step Inside" trailer where Chief's suit is being manufactured, where the black material sections are clearly being slotted in together with the colored plating

[minor sky]

I have a question that one of you guys might be able to ask-
On the cover of Glasslands what type of Sangheli design is that? Is it Halo Wars 1?

[obsidian thistle]

Looks like the unused design

From Halo Wars 1

Honestly not a bad choice head wise.

And thankfully we dont see the twig torso aha

[minor sky]

Figured

I do like the final design for the Elites in Halo Wars 1

A good balance of elegance and intimidation

I love the way they have the mandibles droop

[empty bloom]

That's because it is the Mark VI GEN3 techsuit.

Though in Griffin's case it's a hackjob in other ways-for example, he is inexplicably wearing the Walle gloves

[empty bloom]

I feel like it is somewhere inbetween, but Halo 5 also directly showed that some variants of GEN2 had their own 'techsuits' via Osiris.

[obsidian thistle]

I suppose a good thing is that we haven't seen any images of Griffin prior to that event outside a profile shot

So by all means he may have legitimately been using a different techsuit. Just with the Mark VII armor on top it it.

(He is also hiding his hands sooo)

[empty bloom]

Frankly, I feel like they phoned in the campaign Spartans a bit.

Ah well. That's their prerogative.

[obsidian thistle]

Ultimately speaking nothing says that GEN3 and its cores are held 100% to their techsuits.

Its probably the norm

But I'd bet that other techsuits are used for testing and/or preference by the Spartans

Maybe Materials Group wanted to test the Mark VI techsuit with their Mark VII components

A thing that honestly isn't a bad call

Means the RND on GEN3 Mark VI isnt exclusively for 1 Spartan and his cohorts in 1 mission lol

[empty bloom]

I mean I kinda figure Mark VI in Infinite once you hit Hero is a simulated testbed setup

But that's me

[clever token]

Halo enthusiasts!

I'm making a Grunt Heavy for a roleplay server I'm in (a Swords unit who defected from Jul's Covenant). How old should he be?

[sonic lagoon]

What’s up with the Sedaaro Forerunners? They became plants and herbivore animals.

[tight badge]

How did the flood beat the forerunners? Because in game the flood is a joke I only died like 5 times to them

[twin prawn]

Well I don’t think the games are the best approximation of lore considering that an ODST can take multiple plasma shots and also somehow punch Wraiths in game

[obsidian thistle]

Thats not exactly what happened.

Twas more a group stayed on the planet. And over a LONG period evolved to suit the planet.

Another caveat are the main Forerunners tend to change themselves so a LOT of differences may come to that.

There is a running theory the Flood wanted to lose

It deffo wasnt in an oppertune scenario to win

The Gravemind essentially believed it would return... and I have no reason to doubt it

"Resignation is my virtue. Like water I ebb and flow. Defeat is simply the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved... But you imposed."

The ideal scenario for the Flood is a divided universe

And... right now the universe is getting divided

Can the Banished truly fight back a fully released Flood... I doubt it.

They got lucky on the Ark before a Gravemind fully formed

[minor sky]

I personally don't want the Flood back as a major antagonist in the series

I don't know how they'd do it without it just being a repeat or deminishing Halo 3's conclusion

[sour raven]

Idk, there is flood in a lot of places because the forerunners putting them in storage for research

You know, usual forerunner stuff

[minor sky]

And I don't know if the Halo Legends "Enemy of my enemy" solution would work without being a cop-out

Like at the current rate of things in the Halo Galaxy, things will get more and more tense. If the Flood decide to rise back up, I can't see the UNSC and Swords of Sanghelios, Banished, private Corporations, and whatever other groups are out there coming together like that very easily

[carmine sleet]

See that's the thing, they wouldn't be able to do anything but rehash what happened already with them. People don't seem to realise that

[minor sky]

I'm content for the Flood to remain as a neat side story thing

Your Awakening The Nightmares and occasional short stories

[hardy swan]

I think they should deal with the Banished and Endless as villians before moving back to returning the flood

[strange pumice]

Flood is mid
Better moving forward, not back

[thorn spindle]

compare flood during that war and flood in games. u will see why in 5 seconds

[obsidian thistle]

Bringing back the Flood will need to be done right

There is an active infection atm last we saw

But it hasnt evolved into something really dangerous atm

[orchid kettle]

I feel like even with Spartans, the idea that they can just punch tanks to death with their bare hands is kinda whack

Like in Halo 2 you were very specifically only able to melee the lid off the cockpit or backside so you can plant a grenade

but later games decided to cut out the middle man and just let you beat the tank to death

[empty bloom]

I always took it as a gameplay concession to make vehicles less powerful, much like 'doom state' and overal frailty of vehicles.

(That said, I hope they don't listen to the people who hate the doom state mechanic, considering it doesn't actually reduce the viability of vehicles)

[carmine sleet]

I think the only change needed to the doom state is how much it glows

But that's it

It's fine

[empty bloom]

More fire, bigger glow

[carmine sleet]

More fire I'll agree to

[empty bloom]

More *localized glow

Specifically on the weapon and engine of the vehicle

Make it clear ammo/motive system overloading is causing an explosion

Like if your Wraith is in the doom state, the reactor bursts into flame and the gun visibly starts to cook off.

IDK, I'd make the visuals for 'doom state' more mechanically obvious and more visually 'explosive'.

Loud bang, then alarm.

[carmine sleet]

Fair

[dense quest]

all three coexisting would be cool though

[upbeat lake]

I still have PTSD from the 343 Guilty Spark level. 😭

[thorn spindle]

Cooler explosions

[karmic gulch]

I do agree they should’ve limited the players abilities in ODST.

Considering they’re only highly trained personnel, not augmented

They’re still awesome but they don’t have Spartan level strength

[karmic gulch]

I hate the library so much

[orchid kettle]

Ironically if you made ODST using CE as the starting point it'd probably feel more accurate

You can't jump that high, you break your ankles if you fall further than half an inch, and your only real method of dealing with vehicles is to shoot them with your gun

[carmine sleet]

The lore for the Fotus armour is great, we now know the armour features a protective cover for limited-edition vinyl datapacks

[dusk jetty]

Today in halo, Noble 6’s resting place was found during the re-terraforming of Reach with his helmet still there

It’s also bungie day

[carmine sleet]

Bungie day was yesterday

Today is the 8th of July, not the 7th

[obsidian thistle]

New armor lore is neat

I like the Firebee

[empty bloom]

Weird little thing.

[strange pumice]

Yeah, especially FOTUS in mark 7

[obsidian thistle]

Its keeping up the joke lore that. So its likely "squishy" canon

[karmic gulch]

RIP Noble 6

[frigid heart]

🫡

[deep vortex]

https://youtube.com/shorts/IACxnc8j0uU?feature=shared

Hi I’m new here

Not right now that I could. See!

[twin parcel]

the flood in the lore is horrific.

it's straight up nightmare fuel lorewise.

it's like cordyceps fungus on ants and spiders, it hijacks the host and if you've ever seen videos of cordyceps infected spiders they move like a puppet with strings. Except with the flood the hosts are usually alive when they get infected, it literally rips out your mental faculties and what makes you alive and tears it to shreds, iirc it's an extremely painful process.

[versed helm]

They are the weapon of the precursors. They absorb every iota of knowledge ever assimilated into their being, and they can infect entire worlds with a singular super cell. Consider the fact that the gravemind is under control of a precursor

[twin parcel]

the flood in the lore is straight up like a 10x crisis from stellaris on steroids mixed with a healthy dosing of amphetamines.

which is why i'm an ancient humanity fanboy, ancient humanity were fighting the flood and pretty much made them flee the milky way galaxy.

[dusk jetty]

The flood intentionally retreated, to be fair to the forerunners

They wanted to bait out a war between the two before going for the kill

[twin parcel]

which also adds to the fact about how dangerous they are

they're just as smart as forerunners and humans.

iirc ancient humanity sort of had a "scorched earth" policy regarding the flood.

[dusk jetty]

The Primordial is in stasis, but it’s never said he can’t communicate with the rest of the collective whatsoever

And there is probably one or two graveminds as well

[twin parcel]

and just a proto-gravemind is extremely dangerous, i don't even want to think about a threat with two whole graveminds and the primordial.

[dusk jetty]

Scorched earth offensively, as well, it wasn’t just an asset denial, they prematurely would destroy populations just because some flood was present

With no warning

When they did this to forerunners it rightfully pissed them off

…Just as the flood had planned

[twin parcel]

and very much valid too, the flood was extremely dangerous. they effectively cracked enitre worlds like it was cadia from 40k.

[versed helm]

Did you know, at the height of the Flood’s power, the largest gravemind had devoured thousands of worlds iirc

[dusk jetty]

Devoured can mean multiple things in that context

[twin parcel]

jesus.

[versed helm]

Oh he can. He uploaded himself into the hivemind and assumed control

[dusk jetty]

The flood could’ve simply blighted worlds and moved the biomass onto other systems once the job was done

[tight badge]

Speaking of 40k who would win
The flood during the war with the forerunners or the main force of tyranids

[twin parcel]

"ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL" like its mass effect 2

[dusk jetty]

Entirely destroying one world seems contradictory to the flood;

“We MUST create.”

[twin parcel]

I dont think it'd be a win

it'd be a "whose left surviving"

[tight badge]

There is no such thing as a phyric victory for the tyranids

They just consume there own dead

[frigid heart]

It didn’t destroy per se, just assimilated and removed the human or forerunner culture

[versed helm]

“Shockingly, this Gravemind also carried with it the consciousness of the ancient Primordial. The insidious creature had transmitted its essence into the hive-mind’s massive neural network before physically perishing. Now, as long as the Flood survived, so would the Primordial; and with the entirety of the Flood at its command, the last Precursor now wielded unimaginable power in its quest for revenge”. - Halo Mythos Pg. 32
So yea, it assumed control over the ENTIRE Flood hivemind by assimilating into the gravemind

[twin parcel]

like mold, or a cancerous growth.

[twin parcel]

just goes to show how much of a threat the flood is.

[versed helm]

They are just something else.

[twin parcel]

even lovecraft would be too horrified to write something like the flood lol

[versed helm]

I doubt it, Lovecraft is essentially the father of monster horror. The Cthulhu mythos is already mind bogglingly large in cosmology

[twin parcel]

true, my point being is just how mind-boggling the flood is.

[versed helm]

That much is universally accepted by every Halo fan. My favorite space parasite ever.

[twin parcel]

same here! it's literally a galactic extinction type threat. the writers did so good when it came to making the flood.

the halo lore writers in general though are just amazing when it comes to writing up this type of stuff. i can imagine writing the halo lore required two weeks of taking peyote, three weeks of transcending the universe from said peyote in an extreme bout of psychosic, and then putting the experience onto paper.

[tardy olive]

fair? i thought the precursors when the mutated into the flood wanted vengeance towards the forerunners because of the betrayal

[dusk jetty]

Read the post above me

[tardy olive]

ahh

my bad xd

[sonic lagoon]

Well yeah but some became plants and animals to adapt. I’m curious what the animals would look like since they maintain a forerunner styled face.

[minor sky]

I randomly remembered some crackpot theory people had in the lead up to Halo 5 that the ONI guy interrogating Halsey at the start of Halo 4 was Locke. The reasoning was really flimsy and I don't think I bought it that much at the time. Now that I'm looking back on it, I still think the reasoning is flimsy, but I do think that also could've been an interesting twist

Like the question of "Was the Master Chief able to succeed because he was at his core broken?" being asked by the dude hunting him down has some potential

I don't think the scene as a whole would work though. Some of the lines don't feel right for Locke, and it wouldn't make sense for Halsey not to know about the Spartan IVs if Locke was asking while going after Chief.

Granted you could maybe rework the scene to be something like Locke asking Halsey about the nature of the Spartans and Chief specifically before he decides to go through with augmentations

[empty bloom]

I think the real issue of Halo 4 is that it fails to really grasp at the answer to that question in any meaningful way.

Like, 4's emotional plot-with Cortana specifically-is done in a servicable manner, but in terms of how "Chief is fundamentally broken" is handled, it fails to really address the point beyond repeating it.

[minor sky]

Maybe it could've been answered over the course of a trilogy idk

[empty bloom]

I mean, it kind of gets answered between 4, 5, and Infinite-just not in the way I think 4 was really meant to handle.

[minor sky]

Of course said trilogy fell apart after it tossed out most of it's plotlines between games

[empty bloom]

Which is to say, no, Chief is not as successful as he is because he is broken at a core level. He literally fails in 5 because a less broken man would've understood that Cortana made up her mind months ago and reacted accordingly.

Halsey, for all her flaws, understood this.

[minor sky]

For all my distain for Halo 5's narrative, I do think Chief wanting to go after Cortana is in line with past games

[empty bloom]

Oh, no, I'm not saying it was a bad call-it's in character for him.

[minor sky]

No no, I'm agreeing with you

[empty bloom]

Even making it clear the guy's way of dealing with trauma is just bottling it up and punching that bag even harder was actually a smart move even if the dialogue for that chunk is a bit stilted by normal standards (Though fine by Halo standards)

[minor sky]

If the writing was better it could've been a good inversion of Halo 3's scene of Chief putting his trust in Cortana even when Lord Hood advises otherwise

[minor sky]

Which scene was that specifically?

[empty bloom]

Literally the first Blue Team cutscene.

[minor sky]

Oh

Sorry I was thinking of something else

[empty bloom]

5's writing gets held to a weirdly high standard for scrutiny, but even then I'm surprised you worded this like it somehow has worse writing than 3.

[minor sky]

Idk why my mind immidately jumped to something later in the game

That should've been obvious lol

That implies Halo 3 has writing

🥁

[empty bloom]

5 feels like trying to tie three interlinked but weirdly seperate subplots together, but then, I feel like if people had actually gotten to see the Escalation comics as they were intended-via cutscenes in Spartan Ops-people would've been more open to it.

[minor sky]

I still don't care for how they handled events post-4

Escalation is a fine comic (some wonky artwork aside)

[empty bloom]

I mean, I understand 5's plot just fine, I actually think it has some of the more robust narratives in the franchise-It's just that I also realize that it can be confusing for people who don't have a natural drive to interconnect plotlines and actually pay intense attention to linkage of narrative themes.

[tacit reef]

yo are you talking about lore?

[hardy swan]

Yes about Iron Man

[empty bloom]

Like, Cortana's entire arc in 5 is about it being her "Spartan II program" moment.

[minor sky]

But I think having a years worth of events take place between games was a mistake.

(Also I hate The Next 72 Hours)

[hardy swan]

Bucks you know they are gonna hate us right line never happened because nobody hates them

[empty bloom]

Hence the conscious choice to have Jen Taylor use Halseyisms in her speech by the end of the game and utilize the more 'angsty' manner of speaking from Halo Reach (Halsey in the Sword Base level) and Halo 4 (Cortana having her freakouts at the end of the game).

[minor sky]

I still think that was kinda dumb

[empty bloom]

Keep in mind, Cortana's had a vindictive power-hungry streak in her since the first canon she ever got in Fall of Reach.

[minor sky]

Yeah, but thats not really the Cortana we see in the games

[empty bloom]

There are shades (Halo CE, Halo 2's end, Halo 3's cortana moments, Halo 4's freakouts), but you kinda need to understand Halsey more than you need to understand Cortana.

People's opinion on Cortana's personality is heavily influenced by the fact that you are playing as someone Cortana objectively strongly likes, so you don't see her worst excesses... Same with Halsey, who gets venomous in Spartan Ops, on purpose, to establish stronger ties to Cortana's temper- as well as Halsey, and thus Cortana's, tendancy to flagrantly violate decency and security measures to achieve a goal.

[minor sky]

Like a few moments of Cortana reciting Marathon lore in Halo 3 aside, she comes off far less Vindictive and Power Hungry in those games. Her moments of anger mainly coming within the moment with stuff like Spark nearly letting John destory all life in the galaxy or UNSC escape pods being gunned down

Which seem more like a way of Bungie having someone to direct your attention/emotions in the narrative unfolding in front of you

[empty bloom]

Her lines regarding getting into the ring's systems; "It's not a cudgel, you barbarian-" and her joy in cutting Spark down to size.

In 2 the majority of the elements regarding her spicy behavior are evident in how she reacts to people who are her enemy.

As I said-the opinion on Cortana's attitude is largely derived more from how the player interacts with her, which leaves most people blind to her response to things that aren't. It gets conflated as justified, which it is, but the thing is, familiarity can make it hard to reckon with when that spite gets turned against you.

In 4, that anger starts to get directed at allies-which, incidentially, is also establishing that her viciousness can be applied to friendlies who were always friendly, not just her enemies.

But people can brush that off due to sympathizing (Disliking Spartan IVs) or not being directed wholly at them (The few times she gets snippy with Chief).

But in 5, you play as someone who either disagrees with her but she loves (Chief) or someone who is actively her enemy (Locke), meaning you get the grudging and unflinching focus of her spite against people too 'ignorant' to see the obvious necessity of her plan, something tied to her ego, which, suitably, is Halsey-shaped and sized.

[minor sky]

I do see your point, but I still think that 4's establishment of her getting angry at her allies didn't quite work because Del Rio was already unlikeable to begin with and we didn't really get a ton of it. Also killing a character off and giving her a pretty solid emotional send off only for her to (in most player's eyes) randomly come back and decide to be Space Dictator was the wrong move

Hell- I don't even think Cortana returning as a villain is a terrible idea. I just think it was done in the wrong moment

[empty bloom]

It could've used better establishment in 5, is a concession I'll grudgingly grant.

And I'd chalk up the Del Rio thing as a narrative failing of 4-of which there are several.

For example-Del Rio was retroactively canonized as being in the wrong when he called for Cortana's deletion by law, but in the game, despite his shoddy mind for tactics, he is rarely pointedly wrong.

Sending out recon teams was an idea made in the assumption of a lack of risk, for example-a reasonable one, given the circumstance, as Prometheans were a then-unknown threat and a sustained aggressive assault by Forerunner constructs was a relative unknown.

[minor sky]

I think there needed to be a far smaller gap of time between Halo 4 and 5.

[empty bloom]

I'd say either shorter, or longer.

Five years, or 6 months.

[minor sky]

And said gap of time to not have so many vital events take place. I understand that 343i kinda did that to themselves with Spartan Ops taking place 6 months later and then only having one season finished

[empty bloom]

Course, I also think Infinite should've been set nearly a decade after 5.

[minor sky]

But I'd also argue that Spartan Ops was kind of a bad idea. But hindsight is 20/20

[empty bloom]

I'd say it was actually a really good idea... In 2016.

[minor sky]

Right

[empty bloom]

I think a lot of Halo 4's flaws can be chalked up to being overeager.

Which I'd put on Microsoft, not 343i.

[minor sky]

More or less

Somebody in here put up a quote from Ryan Payton about him wishing they made a super faithful Halo CE remake as their first project and then do Halo 4. Rather than jumping headfirst into a highly anticipated sequel to some of the most beloved games of all time

[empty bloom]

Of course, with most of the dev team of 4 and 5 being successfully bullied off the internet, if they aren't already under a two decade long NDA, there's not much meat to really gnaw from the bones of that particular corpse.

[minor sky]

don't you love the Halo community

[empty bloom]

Oh, I love the Halo community so much.

[minor sky]

Everytime I see a "343 bad" video pop up on my Youtube feed a voice in the back of my head has to go "Oh my gosh we get it."

Nobody is happy with how Halo has panned out for the past decade

[empty bloom]

Like, for reference, Brian Reed's wikipedia page was literally taken down because of how much he was demonized via vandalization of his wiki page.

[minor sky]

I'm not, you're not. 343i/HS and Microsoft sure as hell aren't because they are the ones trying to make money off of it

[empty bloom]

That man has been scoured from the internet.

[minor sky]

I feel bad for him. Granted he also has a steady gig in comics

So its not like he is out of work

[empty bloom]

Honestly, he's the former 343i guy I want to interview the most.

No holds barred, I want to know that guy's thoughts from the perspective of someone actually genuinely interested in the story he wanted to tell. I think Halo 5's plot, halfbaked as it is at times, is fascinating.

[minor sky]

There is some interesting ideas in there. But I think it needed 3 more games to get there

[empty bloom]

I mean, Halo had 3 writers enter and exit-well, main writers-between Halo 4 and Halo Infinite.

Brian Reed was involved in Halo Wars 2's story, for example, but he will never get accolades for that by the fanbase despite how much it is liked. He left voluntarily after the game came out and the Forerunner DLC was axed.

[minor sky]

Well he did leave during production, right?

Oh never mind

[empty bloom]

Yeah

I think it was creative decisions but without actually talking to anyone-and nobody seems to want to talk about it-there is no knowing.

[minor sky]

I do feel bad for most of the people involved with post-Bungie Halo

Also the people involved with Bungie Halo

[empty bloom]

It's a hell of a thing to feel pity due to how it goes, isn't it? I mean, it's better to feel pity than unflinching childish rage.

[tacit reef]

what are you guys talking about?

[minor sky]

Well maybe less so given behind a lot of their scars were self inflicted

Thanks, Jason/s

[empty bloom]

The writing and writing teams of Halo through the years and how they were treated. Or, really, the teams in general across the board.

Specifically, treated by both Microsoft, their coworkers, and the fanbase, mostly the fanbase and Microsoft.

[minor sky]

I do think it is important to mention how pivitol the marketing was for Halo 5's reception

[empty bloom]

I'm honestly tired of discussing that point, lmao.

But then, I vehemently hated 5's marketing.

[tacit reef]

microsoft for sure treat worst the the fanbase

[minor sky]

Like, as somebody who was really excited for the game- yeah I was let down to say the least

[empty bloom]

I had the opposite experience-I was dreading 5.

Because the marketing turned me off from it so badly.

I hate rogue supersoldier plotlines. I was convinced a shark was about to be jumped.

[tacit reef]

when did halo 5 even release

[minor sky]

I see

[empty bloom]

So when 5 came out, I was actually pleasantly surprised by what I found. I was actually surprised by how much it was vehemently loathed.

[tacit reef]

yeah i was 3 years old when it came out shesh

[empty bloom]

Man, you just had to come in and make me feel ancient, didn't you.

[tacit reef]

well how old are you to feel that ancient

[empty bloom]

27. I was signing up for the Military that year.

[minor sky]

Personally I think Chief going rogue could've worked well. Especially after Del Rio was one of our first taste of post-war UNSC. Using a man hunting down Chief to dive into his backstory is a pretty natural way of going about it IMO

[tardy olive]

i was 16 in 2015 xD

[tacit reef]

nah man im only 13 you really are old but not that old you know like 3 years and you will be 30 years old guy

[tardy olive]

we old

[empty bloom]

I could maybe see a frame of it, but for me that'd be threading a needle with a camel.

I likely wouldn't even be here discussing it with you if they had gone with that.

[tacit reef]

so yeah you guys have ancient knowladge

[empty bloom]

I remember every stupid argument people had back in the Reach days and I remember how much people hated 3, Reach, 4, et cetera on launch.

People now, they love Reach. Boggles the mind.

[minor sky]

Something something Halo Cycle

[tardy olive]

i loved 3 so much when it released i remember going to gamestop

[tacit reef]

why did people hate halo 3?

[empty bloom]

Same reason they hated Halo 2, same reason they hated Reach. New thing does new stuff thus bad.

[minor sky]

It was a smaller group of people than with 4 or 5

[empty bloom]

Well... Maybe with 3.

[tacit reef]

and what is the reason they hated them

[empty bloom]

WIth Reach, though, whew. That was toxic.

[minor sky]

But yeah, many people felt 3 was a "lost in translation" moment

[empty bloom]

Like, damn, that was toxic.

But yeah. Halo.

[empty bloom]

I mean, I said. They were new games, with new mechanics, and new looks. People hated everything and anything.

[minor sky]

Also didn't help it was coming off of Halo 2's excellent story

[tardy olive]

i had fun on reach there was this lobby/gamemode on reach that it was only assassination it was fire

[empty bloom]

I think 2 is honestly the only Halo game that has a story truly worth even half of the recognition it gets.

[tacit reef]

\what about the 343 games aren't they also hated?

[minor sky]

But Joesph Staten stepped away from the writing desk

Iirc him and Marcus Lehto had a falling out of some sort and he decided to take a break from development after Halo 2 to work on Contact Harvest

[empty bloom]

And then they let Marty take a crack at the story.

[minor sky]

Well to be fair

[empty bloom]

Ooooooh do I have feelings about that I cannot share here.

[minor sky]

They didn't have a writer

[empty bloom]

Mostly angry ones.

Marty makes my freaking blood boil, man.

And I'll leave it at that.

[tacit reef]

guys im just gonna ask already what is the problem with the halo community?

[minor sky]

And they were just tossing ideas around and Marty O'Donnell happened to give ones they thought were good enough to toss in

[empty bloom]

Extremely toxic, gatekeeps for stupid reasons a lot, generally has the media literacy of a damp stump in the woods.

Which is to say, none.

[tacit reef]

so the problem in halo is the community or the games?

[minor sky]

Also a franchise that has spent the past decade with it's shoes tied together

[empty bloom]

I would strongly state it is the community. The games themselves are passable.

[minor sky]

Yes

[empty bloom]

Like, the games have flaws, but even the worst among them, whatever you think it is, is still playable.

[minor sky]

Not to say both are bad

[empty bloom]

I may dislike Reach but I'll still play it.

And enjoy it.

[minor sky]

Halo's community, like most communities, has some awesome people and groups in it

[empty bloom]

It distresses me that the good people are becoming vanishingly hard to find.

[minor sky]

They are the reason Halo still holds more value than a picture for Microsoft to wave around to get you to sign up for Game Pass

[tacit reef]

so the silotion is that the community should start being more peacful and stop being toxic for the new games and fans also for the 343 to listen to what community really want not just a product they want a story that makes them happy that makes the game fun

[empty bloom]

You'd have an easier time getting a camel to thread a needlehole.

... They still teach you kids how to knit and sew, right?

[minor sky]

Halo really embodies the "Nobody hates insert franchise here like it's fans" meme sometimes

[empty bloom]

It's like a splash of cold water with a hint of battery acid, because most of the things I like tend to have fanbases that aren't caustic. Or at least not notably toxic.

Venture Brothers, Mechwarrior.

[tacit reef]

yeah i could feed a lion and it would be easier than understanding the halo fandom

[minor sky]

I would say "Sonic Fans", but most fans are pretty fine

[empty bloom]

Sonic fans are weirdly devoted people.

[minor sky]

I know

[empty bloom]

Credit where credit is due.

[minor sky]

I am one of them

[tacit reef]

me too my fav character have to be vector from sonic heroes

[minor sky]

I think what it comes down to is that Halo is a series that is no longer top dog

[tacit reef]

true true

[minor sky]

And because of a decade of mismanagement, it won't really get back to that position

At least not anytime soon

Of course Halo fans who grew up with the series want to go back to the glory days

[empty bloom]

In order to break out it needs to fundamentally change, which means making the 'fanbase' very angry.

I mean, I'd problably love it, but then, I am not a fan just because I happened to enjoy Halo 3 custom games or something.

[tacit reef]

yeah microsoft need to leave the team to heal a bit or else halo may stop being the face of xbox

[minor sky]

I mean it's not really that anymore

[tacit reef]

then what is it?

[minor sky]

A logo slap next to the Game Pass sign-up screen

[empty bloom]

C'est La Vie.

Can't be head honcho forever.

[tacit reef]

is that french?

[empty bloom]

Yes.

[tacit reef]

wish if i could understand it

[empty bloom]

That's life, basically.

I am not a fatalist, but nothing lasts forever.

[tacit reef]

true halo had its era now its time to let other games devlop and become better

[empty bloom]

If Halo is unwilling to change to meet the new day it dies in darkness. Generally how life goes.

[minor sky]

Xbox has fundimentaly changed. You could argue that it's decline is also Halo's decline. They have moved on from a place of trying to put out exclusives to basically trying to scoop up as much of the market by getting people to use their services. They own the biggest gaming franchises not owned by Nintendo or Sony. Ones far bigger than Halo. Halo is no longer it's most important series.

[tacit reef]

yeah we need to change halo or else we wont be able to change anything and we would have just left our beloved franchise die we should do just like the team fortress 2 fans

[minor sky]

I would argue that it did try to do that and didn't work out. For reasons that go beyond "some fans don't like change"

The thing about change in a series is that it can go wrong both ways

[tacit reef]

but change is how life goes no one can stop it

[empty bloom]

I'd argue it didn't go far enough, actually.

[minor sky]

Change too little, go stagnant and fade away. Change too much, you risk alienation and losing touch with what made it special in the first place.

[tacit reef]

then where is your far enough everyone wants halo to go back to what it was but we cant rivive what is dead

and for sure we cant go back in time

[minor sky]

I go back to that Ryan Payton quote mentioned earlier, I think Halo 4 was just the wrong first impression

[tacit reef]

then they need to try again for the better of halo

[minor sky]

Here it is

[minor sky]

Well they are kind of doing that. But idk if it will be too late or not

[tacit reef]

lets hope they do it right or else the whole franchise will die or be in the control of the fanbase that if they were kind enough to give us control like how valve did with team fortress

[minor sky]

I don't think Halo will die off

It's too, excuse the phrasing, iconic

[empty bloom]

Iconic has been poisoned as a word for me.

[minor sky]

Something something british youtube man

[tacit reef]

so guys when anything i should know about the campain before i get in

[minor sky]

Which one?

[tacit reef]

the halo inf campaign

[minor sky]

Oh

It's fun

A little repetitive

But the gameplay is great

[tacit reef]

so i heard that there is something like a grappling hook

is it hard to use

[sour raven]

Nope

[tacit reef]

k

[minor sky]

Best part of the game

[vagrant ocean]

Easy as hell. It’s so fun.

[patent viper]

master chief go brrrrr

(obviously not accurate halo lore)

[versed salmon]

Iconic as it is, there’s no denying that the gaming industry has changed way beyond what Halo can offer

[karmic gulch]

U probably already know but it’s open world

Also I just started replaying halo 4 and I have a question. Is there a lore accurate reason why chiefs in gen 2 at the start? Or is it just graphics?

[vagrant ocean]

He’s not in GEN2, he never had true GEN2 armor until 5. What’s he’s wearing as a modified Mk VI variant literally called MOD, the semi-official explanation is that Cortana used the Dawn’s onboard nanomachines to repair damage to his armor’s structure and electronics, and ended up redesigning portions possibly by calculating what would be more effective given the current data. She also updated his suit’s software but was unable to repair the large gash in the armor received during the Skirmish on the Anodyne Spirit.

[orchid kettle]

Its supposedly because the nanobots in his armor restructured the whole thing while he slept.

Its not really an explanation given in-game and it feels like something that was just kinda thrown out there offhand

[vagrant ocean]

It was but it kinda makes sense lowkey.

[karmic gulch]

Ohhhh

[orchid kettle]

The justification was pretty much "Uh, its the future, nanobots are in everything!"

when Halo hasn't really mentioned nanobots all that often before

[karmic gulch]

Yeah

[orchid kettle]

I think at most you had Naomi in Mark VII with nanobots

but that's Mark VII, not VI

[karmic gulch]

True

[vagrant ocean]

I’m sure the Dawn had some onboard to help with maintenance

[minor sky]

The official reasoning was something along the lines of "Nanobots, Magic, BS"

[karmic gulch]

lol

[minor sky]

I do love Chief's Halo 4 armor though

[vagrant ocean]

Frank said that.

[vagrant ocean]

It’s a vibe. Especially with the cracked visor in 5.

[minor sky]

A few minor gripes like the way the palm is on the gloves or the holes in the chest plate having the same detail as the undersuit aside- it is an awesome design

You can really tell the amount of love and care they put into it

I do think Halo 5 kind of took away some of the parts of the Halo 4 armor I was fond of

The deep orange visor, darker shades of green, more scuffed up and battle damaged look, ect.

[vagrant ocean]

I want more cracked visor stuff. I love the way it messed with the HUD.

[minor sky]

The cracked visor was pretty cool

Even if it was kind of an after thought in game

[vagrant ocean]

I want to see Spartans walking around with wrecked helmets like Anakin in Kenobi.

[karmic gulch]

Honestly it might be cool to have like a salvaged Mk vi set with a cracked visor and rusted plates, stuff like that

[sleek vigil]

Nanobots are barely mentioned even after that, right?

[frigid heart]

They get mentioned in some armor attachments

[sleek vigil]

I would love if it's rewritten be something like, I don't know:

Cortana learns of GEN2 armours, keeps some of notes to herself and designs John's new armour, leaves those notes to Infinity before never returning again. The epilogue would show us new armour in the distance while Chief sheds his old armour.

You know what? That's been an actually good symbolic start for the Reclaimer Era, if 343 really wanted to say 'We are not Bungie!'

[sleek vigil]

Like shop updates? Please.

[stoic hamlet]

The only other big mention is in Renegades, but that’s it.

[empty bloom]

And the ones in your lungs!

(Lechuza)

[minor sky]

Thats what I've sorta been thinking

Idk I think it'd be really effective to see his Gen I Mark VI armor, all battle damaged and worn taken off piece by piece

Revealing those darkened eyes

I really think Halo 4 needed to be a bit more transitional as 343i's first game

[minor sky]

Actually on that note I have to ask something thats been in the back of my head for a while now-
Do you think it was a mistake to have all the Forerunner lore be told in a series books before the game rather than have that information unfold in front of the player over the course of a trilogy/whatever length of games?

For the record, I love the Forerunner trilogy- a lot

[tardy olive]

i have a question, does somebody know about the sand trap mistery writings on the wall, i always wondered if it means something..

[minor sky]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zYF0fun8w6E&pp=ygUVaGFsbyBzYW5kdHJhcCBteXN0ZXJ50gcJCcEJAYcqIYzv

Here

[minor sky]

But I am asking if it may have been more natural to have the Forerunner's lore and backstory be revealed to Chief first and then get the trilogy of novels diving into the specifics

Because you kind of shoot yourself in the foot giving that information to players when some of them already know it

[orchid kettle]

I do feel like no matter what choices you made, explaining the forerunners' deal was always going to be trouble

they subsist entirely on vibes, the second you try to explain how they fit into our natural history things start breaking down

[minor sky]

For what it is worth, Greg Bear did a pretty damn good job

[karmic gulch]

That’s 4,5 and infinite?

[minor sky]

No

The book series

Written by Greg Bear

Cryptum, Primordium, and Silentium

They detail the fall of the Forerunner Ecumene 100,000 years before the events of the games

[karmic gulch]

Oh

[twin parcel]

that'd be so awesome

i wanna see a noble 6 style cracked helmet

[karmic gulch]

Why could 6 not have stolen a pelican?

[stoic hamlet]

Why would he?

And, more importantly - what pelicans could he have “stolen”?

[minor sky]

And also- how would he manage to get it off Reach

The PoA barely managed to escape

[vagrant ocean]

No Pelicans available in the region most likely, and it would’ve been shot down quite quickly.

He walked from the launch pad to that area, meaning there was no transportation available.

He was alone.

And he died alone.

[vagrant ocean]

No, the Didact was already introduced in 3 via the terminals, not 343’s fault people can’t read.

[minor sky]

Alone? There was clearly an Elite right there/j

In all fairness

Terminals are bonus material that not all players are going seek out nor should they be forced to

[frigid heart]

Elites don’t count as people!

#RememberReach

[minor sky]

"Xeno scum!"

[vagrant ocean]

If you’re deeply invested in the story you’ll look for every crumb. Hence why I’ve analyzed Halsey’s journal 100 times

[minor sky]

Right

[vagrant ocean]

Also one of the comics from the Graphic Novel is getting a sequel chronicle.

[minor sky]

But joe-shome isn't doing that

He is playing the game casually

[vagrant ocean]

That’s on them bro. 343 was handed a decade old franchise, meaning they assumed most fans knew this stuff when they talked about it.

It’s an easy assumption to make.

[minor sky]

You have to mindful that a series that is/was as big as Halo is going to attract a lot of people who are going to be on various levels of knowlage/attachment to the wider universe

Like, if I'm watching a Star Wars film I should be able to watch it both as somebody who wants to watch a fun adventure movie and as a die hard lore fan who knows the name of every character sitting in the Cantina

Both perspectives are absolutely valid, and it is the responciblity of the people producing the project to make sure that people are caught up

Also it's not like the Halo 3 terminals are the most direct/easy to understand pieces of information.

[karmic gulch]

Oh

[minor sky]

They are like the hidden terminals in Marathon. If you want to find them, you can. And if you are, odds are you are more curious about the wider world. But you don't have to read them to understand the main story being told to you

If you read the Strauss terminal in Marathon 1 you are more privy to the cause of Durandal's rampancy and the nature of the Cyborgs, but you don't need it to know the story

[vagrant ocean]

I just remembered something

If you look at Chief’s body language when Del Rio was yelling at him, you can tell it’s taking every fiber of his being to not put his fist through his damn skull.

[frigid heart]

Chief has a bad history with captains and skulls

[sour raven]

Ive learned that people dont read at all at most, take s&d extraction. There is instructions in the mode’s description, which appears when selecting it

[vagrant ocean]

I bet before Cortana’s death Del Rio was sent to hard labor.

Cortana made him bring her lemonade.

[frigid heart]

Lore wise looks like he became a senator

But still tried to arrest Chief

[vagrant ocean]

After Requiem,

I’m talking after the Created uprising

[minor sky]

Del Rio being a senator feels like something that should've been in 5's campaign during a Locke mission

[vagrant ocean]

Lowkey we need a plain Locke game.

More spinoffs

[minor sky]

https://garrettpost.artstation.com/projects/QnX9oZ

I would love nothing more than for this to be made into a game

Also Garrett Post should absolutely do more official art for Halo. His stuff is outstanding

[minor sky]

Actually speaking of artists, why has 343i/Halo Studios not ever gotten Craig Mullins back to do some artwork for the series? Like ik he was a carry over from Marathon, but the dude seems to be freelance and his artwork for Halo 2 is absolutely stunning

[karmic gulch]

Wdym?

[vagrant ocean]

Del Rio was demanding chief handover his closest friend and the person who has kept him alive the past 4 years to some smug bureaucrat to be killed, all while said bureaucrat was ignoring how big of a threat the Didact was. Had Del Rio done what people with higher ranks than him did, which is let Chief do what he wants and give him as many resources as possible, New Phoenix might’ve never happened.

[karmic gulch]

That’s true

Because every time people let chief do what he thinks will work, it works

[vagrant ocean]

Del Rio is responsible for everything that has happened since Requiem.

[karmic gulch]

Yeah

[vagrant ocean]

And, Chief might have been able to get Cortana to Halsey, who could’ve helped her.

At minimum kept her in stasis until a solution to rampancy was found.

[karmic gulch]

Speaking of spinoffs, another Halo ODST game but it’s open world new Mombasa might be peak

[karmic gulch]

Yeah

[vagrant ocean]

I’m a firm believer that the Cortana that entered the Domain was one of her more, aggressive subroutines, ruthless like a young Halsey. That’s why she was so cold to John.

[karmic gulch]

I never thought of it that way

[sour raven]

The logic plague did play a part

[karmic gulch]

Also the “Give. Me. That. Chip.” Scene is peak master chief

I think Del Rio forgot that Chief is probably one of the WORST people in the UNSC to piss off

[vagrant ocean]

It was a combination of Logic Plague (which might’ve induced early rampancy), rampancy, and her more aggressive and nasty subroutines reaching the Domain.

[sour raven]

Yeah

[vagrant ocean]

Meanwhile Palmer and Lasky stepped away knowing Chief might do something.

[karmic gulch]

Because they know what’s good for them

[sour raven]

Its like the writers and animators knew!

[vagrant ocean]

Lasky also owes Chief his life after Circinius IV

[karmic gulch]

Aside from the fact that chiefs chill and wouldn’t kill other UNSC… most of the time…

[karmic gulch]

Was that where halo foward unto dawn took place?

[vagrant ocean]

Yep, at the Corbulo Military Academy.

[karmic gulch]

RIP those ODSTs from the gym…

[karmic gulch]

That’s what I thought

[karmic gulch]

Wait did the ODSTs cause him to fight them? I forgot

[vagrant ocean]

Someone decided to organize that encounter.

I think it was Mendez.

[karmic gulch]

Oh to test the augments?

Btw what’s the average lifespan of a Spartan?

Bcs the field manual says they can serve for over 100 years

[vagrant ocean]

We don’t really know. I can pull some numbers from the void if you give me a few

Mainly IIs

[karmic gulch]

Ok

[vagrant ocean]

Cuz the average lifespan for IIIs is shorter due to Alpha and Beta companies being nuked.

[karmic gulch]

lol

Ok, what’s the numbers for a II?

[vagrant ocean]

Workin on it.

[karmic gulch]

Ok

[bronze prawn]

could the huragok/engineers be composed ?

they are alive but also like half-computer

or is the other way around ....?

[vagrant ocean]

42 years.

@karmic gulch

On average a Spartan-II lives for 42 years before being killed.

The most common age for a II to die is 41,

I did not include washouts nor did I include IIs who are missing.

[minor sky]

Chief is in his 50s, right?

[karmic gulch]

Damn

That’s for the average age their KIA?

[vagrant ocean]

He’s 49

[vagrant ocean]

Most IIs died at age 41

[minor sky]

close enough ig ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[karmic gulch]

Ok

Any of them die of old age?

[vagrant ocean]

Not yet.

The oldest ones are 49.

[minor sky]

Shouldn't IIs have longer lifespans?

[vagrant ocean]

Maybe, but most of them have died due to combat injuries,

It’s only been 35 years since augmentation.

And half of them washed out, and half of the washouts died.

If I included washouts the average would be WAY lower.

[karmic gulch]

Dang

[vagrant ocean]

Hell, we don’t even know if Chief will survive in the next game.

[karmic gulch]

True, as We dont know the plot

though I WILL crash out if he does

For 2 reasons:

1. he’s just too good to die
2. He’s been through so much, he deserves to learn to live life without combat

[vagrant ocean]

Chief probably will die.

At some point

Maybe when Steve retires.

[frigid heart]

Nooooooooooooo

[covert birch]

Of old age

[vagrant ocean]

I wouldn’t count on it. Decades of combat will wear down anyone, even a II.

[covert birch]

My man Chief has been “killed” many times but came back bro is to good to die

[vagrant ocean]

Even legends have to die someday.

[frigid heart]

Not Noble 6!!!!!!!!!!!

He didn’t die!!!!

[vagrant ocean]

Spartan-B312 was killed on August 30 2552 at 23:00.

[covert birch]

Unfortunately

😭😭

[frigid heart]

https://tenor.com/view/saw-fight-lie-star-wars-andor-star-wars-forest-whitaker-gif-9764817256973400251

ONI misinformation

[karmic gulch]

True

Dont you guys know? spartans never die. They only go MIA

[covert birch]

Yeah Noble six he isn’t dead he is just Missing in action

[karmic gulch]

Lol

I mean its just a thing people say in the halo universe im pretty sure

[vagrant ocean]

ONI Directive 930.

[karmic gulch]

Whats that?

[vagrant ocean]

It’s the directive ordered by ONI Section Two that says for the purposes of maintaining morale the UNSC is not allowed to announce the death of any Spartan but instead label them as MIA. The directive has since been rescinded following the founding of Spartan Operations.

[karmic gulch]

ohhhh

[empty bloom]

Presumably because it is hard to explain to families that daddy or mommy dearest being missing, not dead, sucks.

[vagrant ocean]

That and it’s to honor the sacrifices of the 2 previous programs.

[minor sky]

Noble Six is just chilling in a Cave on Reach

With an endless supply of canned Moa burgers to keep him alive

And a collection of rocks with crudely drawn versions of Noble Team to keep him company

[covert birch]

We wish…

[clever token]

Genuine question, y'all:

how bad was classism and racism within the Covenant Empire?

[glass pine]

Unggoy couldn't lead groups, elites held mostly military leaderships, prophets didn't even bother fighting, just took over most political positions

Brutes were basically cast into battle as suicide soldiers

Kigyar could hold no such leadership, only special forces roles

Pretty bad id say

And engineers and drones were all slaves

Kigyar straight up hated the unggoy too

The prophets encouraged class warfare as well

I think each species was given an actual maximum of ranks each with specific roles. Entirely based on species, so they could t even advance in ranks if they tried

[vagrant ocean]

It was a theocratic empire, so we can expect it to be pretty bad.

[vagrant ocean]

Brutes and Jackals could command vessels.

[glass pine]

Yeah, but their general role is the same

Grunts couldn't command ships

They're the ammo

[vagrant ocean]

It took the reformation of the SoS for grunts to be able to command a vessel, such as the Zanar-pattern light cruiser Bad Gas.

[clever token]

I would definitely love to see Mahkee chat with the shipmaster of that vessel

Cuz like, you don't see that everyday, that's for sure