lore-and-universe

[orchid kettle]

I like there being some drawback like that to your supersoldier characters. Like the Gammas if the drawback wasn't that they flew into a murderous rage but instead just got, I dunno, really bad tummy aches or something.

[severe gorge]

This bit of lore without the context makes me so excited to make this video lol

[stoic hamlet]

We do kind of see that with PATTONWOLF, at least.

[orchid kettle]

There's a lot of stuff about the armor fiddling with you in some manner but I guess I'd like it better if it was some universal thing about the IVs

since otherwise it feels like at some point the wearer is the only one to blame for their eventual crashout

maybe don't use the helmet that gives you waking nightmares next time my guy

[severe gorge]

What game moments are good for SPARTAN lore so I can go in and get clips

I don’t feel like replaying every single game so I’m gonna go in and load specific missions

[empty bloom]

On the contrary, that's my least favorite bit of canon-at least, the ridiculous fan assertion that it's something that only IVs should have, or that it doesn't make perfect sense as a 'drawback', or that it's somehow lethal or particularly noteworthy.

It's making a bad excuse for canon that doesn't make logical sense in-universe, when what exists does make some amount of sense. Of course you're going to do aug maintenance on augmented personnel, it's how we know IIs have it-one blurb of dialogue in a menu screen and common sense.

It's also pretty crap to have IIIs get this super awesome fugue state that only barely negatively affects them at all, actually, and people want IV organs to explode or something ridiculous.

[severe gorge]

I didn’t know SPARTANs had dedicated maintenance but like you said, its common sense to the degree I just assumed

[empty bloom]

The only thing that we really know negative about IV augs is that it takes time for their augs to 'settle', which tracks with IIs-the days after the augs started were the ones where the bad things happened, and once they cleared it they were fine.

The entire point of GEN2 Recruit Armor was to basically help the Spartan 'acclimate' to their new augmentations.

Without combat stress doing them in.

[severe gorge]

So the SPARTANs body just takes a bit to get used to it?

[empty bloom]

I mean, considering they had so much done to them, it also makes perfect sense.

[severe gorge]

Trench you’re very helpful, thank you for all the stuff you just said

[empty bloom]

:>

I try

[severe gorge]

I’m gonna use that info to start research

[empty bloom]

It's not even like IVs never have aug issues.

Apparently they sometimes reject corneal implants.

[severe gorge]

I have no idea if my first YouTube video ever being about the SPARTAN Program is a good idea but I’m doing it anyways.

[strange pumice]

Aren't Ilsa Zane not being broken?
Or am I missing something?

[empty bloom]

Ilsa Zane isn't a normal IV.

[stoic hamlet]

She’s angy.

[orchid kettle]

It seems pretty well entrenched in Halo's logic to me. If nothing else, it just appears to be a fact of the Halo universe that augmentation procedures yield better results on children vs full grown adults, down to the recent Janissaries and the Manipulars of the Forerunner Saga.

Meanwhile, it appears the IVs have skirted around this issue by scooping out all the original innards, replacing them with some lab grown super equivalent, and stitching some titanium-A and whatever material MJOLNIR's exo suit is woven of. Which I think is smart.

Im also just of the mind that action sequences are perhaps the least effective in the medium of novels, and I think of those sequences, the kind where one super being fodderizes their opposition is the worst.

Like the irony to me is that Id like IVs more if they were weaker and or experienced greater drawbacks because I'd be more interested in seeing characters who are able to be active participants in the kind of stories Halo likes to tell while also dealing with situations where shooting their way out isn't always the best choice.

and honestly even in a visual medium I feel like one super cool guy ripping through mooks gets real old real fast

[high elbow]

Power fantasies can very easily get super boring super quick if they’re not your thing.

You make an interesting point though. Seeing drawbacks of IV augments would be interesting. To borrow from the cyberpunk universe, the idea of a CyberPsycho Spartan that used the Warmaster interface too much is interesting.

[stoic hamlet]

It depends on how it’s done.

Astartes does it exceptionally well.

But the opening of H5, and… Avengers Ultron, for example are just not very good.

[last anchor]

What else would you start on, the UNSC?

[severe gorge]

The Forerunners I suppose

[severe gorge]

to whoever suggested Halopedia, you're awesome

[severe gorge]

The SPARTAN 1.1s are very interesting. Wish we saw more of them in the lore

[hardy swan]

They are ancient greeks

[bronze prawn]

Why didn´t the covenant send fleets to ther other halos in H2 ?

In the terminals Regret discovers the location (due to the luminary in meridia) of the halos and the ark

if the main fleet and high charity (with the prophets) are in delta, why dont send fleets to secure the other halos ?

[still cipher]

because they were tunnel-visioned on that 1 ring

[unique rune]

Because Regret wanted to keep the information to himself to secure his position in the Covenant hierarchy. Didn’t share it with any other commands.

In general, anytime the Covenant does something that doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of practical sense, it’s because of political infighting.

[neon remnant]

Am I right to believe that the Halo: Reach game retconned the lore from the Fall of Reach book?

[unique rune]

yes and no

Bungie’s original intent with the game was to generally have it overwrite the novel’s events as their take on the fall of Reach
but in a way it’s always kinda had to awkwardly coexist with the novel in canon so it didn’t fully retcon the book

And then 343’s approach is that they’re both intended to be equally canon with some extra retcons that have been made to smooth it out a little bit

[neon remnant]

Right cause in the book cortana was already on the pillar of autumn before the fall of reach and didn't have to be escorted as well as the chief being already on the ship too.

Also I don't think the pillar of autumn participated in the battle of reach in the game

[sour adder]

Hi, is there a spoiler chat for Halo Empty Throne?

[neon remnant]

Why does Prof. Anders see a guardian at the end of halo wars 2?

[strange pumice]

Cuz Halo Wars 2 are going in the same time line on Created Uprising

And Cortana, controlling Guardians was able to intercept Halo ring

[sour adder]

👀

Hope Empty Throne has a hint of her fate

[neon remnant]

Ah so that means the Professor was never able to communicate with earth via the ring?

[strange pumice]

Yes

[neon remnant]

So effectively the spirit of fire is still stranded on the ark... sheesh

[strange pumice]

It's better than allowing banished to occupy the whole forerunner installation

[carmine sleet]

When it officially releases next week, there will be a spoiler channel for the novel

[carmine sleet]

Halo Wars 2 is set in 2559, just a few months after the events of Halo 5. And considering how dangerous a Halo is, it makes sense Cortana would intercept Installation 09 as it travels through slipspace. As for Anders and her fate, we do not know what happened to her after 08 was intercepted

[orchid kettle]

Still pretty funny to me how Halo 5's legendary ending showed us that Cortana was in possession of a Halo ring, and then HW2 showed us Cortana capturing a Halo ring

But the two rings are not connected.

[wispy pewter]

People say they last saw James 005 jetpacking out of reach, how is he still alive

[severe gorge]

As I was reading about SPARTAN missions, I noticed all UNSC operations are capitalized. Why?

And why is SPARTAN and ORION capitalized?

[carmine sleet]

We don't know if he's alive. He could've been scooped up like Kurt was but as far as we know, he hasn't been

[orchid kettle]

Probably for the same reason anyone uses a code name, so that somebody listening in or who heard about it out of context wouldn't know what the deal with it was?

oh you meant specifically why they're capitalized. If its not based on some real world practice than probably just rule of cool.

[severe gorge]

Yeah because its all in all caps

[hardy swan]

Just because

[severe gorge]

Alright, cool. Wasn’t sure if there was a lore reason, but if its rule of cool, that is indeed cool

It makes them sound more badass

[hardy swan]

Why do you think 3 letter agencies are all caps

[still cipher]

It's an acronym, that's why.

[severe gorge]

Whats the war between the colonies and UNSC called?

[severe gorge]

Thats a acronym and each letter means something. Not whats happening here

SPARTAN and ORION are not names based off multiple words

[hardy swan]

Bleh

[severe gorge]

Specifically Secessionist Union v UNSC. Seen multiple names, don’t know what to call it

[hardy swan]

The American Civil War

[still cipher]

Because those are projects not organizations....

[severe gorge]

You’re not very helpful

[severe gorge]

I didn’t think SPARTAN was a project, I mean development was but SPARTANs are a military unit

[still cipher]

Operations and projects in the military can get all capitalized for specific meanings, designations, or even generations of tech

[severe gorge]

Wait that makes sense, thanks lol

[still cipher]

So if you see a Mark, that implies Naval, but if you see Gen for generation that generally implies Army. But that's under the US, not necessarily followed by the UNSC

[hardy swan]

I'm sorry. It was called the rebellion. In which various factions rose up to overthrow the galactic empire to restore democracy and the republic

[severe gorge]

And then at least for SPARTANs its complicated by them eventually being a unique, separate military branch.

But I see what you mean

[still cipher]

Because we see Mark VI....Gen 2 or Gen 3 armor, yes correct on the spartan branch

[severe gorge]

Which, side note, I think its cool they got their own thing

Kinda defeats the original purpose of ORION

But still

[still cipher]

Armaments: missiles rockets, also follow that, depending if built for Navy, Army, or Air force...etc.

[severe gorge]

“During this operation the full unit of ORION soldiers was deployed to recover the sub-orbital transit station over Eridanus II. This marked the only time a full unit of operators was ever deployed throughout the program's existence — they completed their mission with only a single casualty and without being detected.”
-On Operation: CHARLEMAGNE

They were apparently stealth deployments

So giving them a dedicated military branch is odd

I’d also like to know how that one single soldier died

[hardy swan]

Yeah makes no sense whatsoever to me that Spartans are an entire branch. They should fall under the Navy

[severe gorge]

And they did originally, don’t know why they changed it but its neat

[hardy swan]

@severe gorge
The Insurrection, also known as the Outer Colonies Insurgency, is the proper name given to an undeclared civil war fought between the various policing and military organizations of the Unified Earth Government and various loosely organized groups of rebels over control of the Outer Colonies, which began in the year 2494.
-Halopedia

[hardy swan]

I believe it was a 343 invention

[severe gorge]

I revoke my previous comment earlier. Thank you.

[hardy swan]

Yeah I was just trolling you

[severe gorge]

Oh then that makes sense. 343 has grown on me, but some decisions still tick me off

[orchid kettle]

Best guess I have is that Musa, the guy who proposed the formation of the Spartan branch, wanted to give the supersoldiers a voice in the UNSC and some manner of protections as opposed to just being ONI's lapdog or whatever

[carmine sleet]

It was a post war development, decided by a Spartan-II washout known as Musa

[hardy swan]

And they are still ONI lapdogs

[orchid kettle]

Yeah Musa isn't very good at his job

but i guess the sentiment is nice.

[hardy swan]

Doesn't Musa know the UEG is just a puppet of ONI

Any military branch answers to them

[severe gorge]

I’d imagine he does. I knew of Musa, didn’t know that was him

For having played all mainline Halo games + ODST, I know shockingly little about UNSC lore

Its embarrassing honestly

[carmine sleet]

Not really, there's plenty about the Halo universe you don't see by just playing the games

[severe gorge]

Granted I never played multiplayer

[orchid kettle]

My cope is that Blackbox is just a massive Parangosky simp and was glazing her super hard

[severe gorge]

Well I’m trying to start a YouTube series of Halo lore so now I’m replaying games and really getting into it

[hardy swan]

Blackbox will be dying of old age by 2560 and I feel sad for him

[severe gorge]

And I bought a Remember Reach bumper sticker because why not lol

[orchid kettle]

Especially now that we have that lil extra lore about how ANVIL Station exists as this lil gesture of friendship and cooperation with the Sangheili because Hood went over Parangosky's head, knowing that Kilo-5 was jeopardizing their relationship with the SoS, and decided to take matters into his own hoods

Which at least paints this picture of a power struggle in the UNSC rather than one person as the undisputed god king

[severe gorge]

Which I love

its so much more in line with the rest of humanity’s lore that the UNSC would have inner struggles

[hardy swan]

Nuh uh

[severe gorge]

For Christ’s sake they fought a undeclared civil war and really only stopped because aliens began attacking

And even then the stop wasn’t immediate was it?

[wispy pewter]

Ong I need to read kilo 5 again. But unfortunately my Kindle decided to erase all my Calibre books

[wispy pewter]

Betraying potential hinge head allies was a stupid idea. But Parongosky was right that if you kill them all then all potential threats would be gone forever or for a very long time

The UNSC Infinity over Sanghelios unchallenged was very cool tbh

[orchid kettle]

Issue I've always had is that Arby should have already had his hands busy anyway with dealing with the remaining Brute Covenant Loyalists that were supposed to continue to plague the Sangheili for years, according to The Return in Halo Evolutions, which is set in 2559 funnily enough.

So there's not really any point in creating a civil war to distract them when they should already be distracted.

Nevermind the absurdity of sabotaging your only real ally in a galaxy full of big bad aliens that may still want you dead. Or may exploit your weakened state after 27 years of genocide.

Outcasts I think presents the most interesting relationship dynamic between the UNSC and SoS, where they're allies, but not quite so buddy-buddy that they're about to let the other control the weekly macguffin superweapon.

[uncut lion]

Keep cooking, spartan.

I'm listening.

[orchid kettle]

I guess now we're supposed to think the Brutes plaguing Sangheili space in 2559 are probably the Banished

[empty bloom]

Not a big fan of that as a concept, tbh.

I preferred the more intercenine post-war infighting between a lot of factions, not the more "Everything involves the Banished" type deal we seem to have now.

[orchid kettle]

It is kinda funny to think how wide of a spectrum Jiralhanae belief is in the post-war

From true Covenant loyalists to the biggest Covenant Haters

[orchid kettle]

I do feel like 343 kinda misunderstood the positive fan reception to the Banished as them needing to put the Banished in everything, versus perhaps just continuing to make more distinct factions that are rooted in the franchise's history and have unique aesthetics and motivations

[empty bloom]

I'm annoyed that I never bookmarked the article, because they literally said as much in the leadup to Infinite's launch.

[orchid kettle]

I mean the Banished motivation isn't really "unique" its just unique that an alien faction this large is all about the money

but obviously scavengers and pirates have existed as concepts in Halo before

[orchid kettle]

I am once again begging 343 to make Sapien Sunrise a larger presence in the post-war setting

They obviously don't need to be some peer state to rival the UNSC, but at the very least they should feel like the primary human antags of the post-war era as opposed to more innies

[carmine sleet]

If they ever gave me a job on the games, just know that this is one thing I'd be directly addressing by canonising my own Covenant splinter group that wants to use Forerunner technology to augment themselves since they believe it will make them closer to their gods (Which is in a way true considering the Prometheans that are composed Forerunners)

[orchid kettle]

I'm pretty partial to the idea of somebody who's out to wipe out humanity, or at least, their presence on the Halo rings, not for any religious reason, but because they've realized that it's pretty risky to let humans, the only race capable of activating the rings, set up bases on said rings

Just your basic motivation that sounds reasonable on the surface (wanting humans to not touch the big red button that kills all life in the galaxy) , but the methods are obviously where they become villainous

Which maybe yeah is a bit cowardly since it may end with the villain's valid viewpoint going unanswered, but that may be an inherent issue with trying to create a believable motivation for a character who ultimately needs to be defeated through video game violence

or perhaps should I say a rational motivation, since we can believe people have irrational motivations for the things they do

[severe gorge]

the insurrections go so, so much deeper than i thought

good god

[stoic hamlet]

Most things in halo do.

[spark pivot]

ngl

the halo universe is just the American revolution but with aliens attacking Britain

[empty bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[orchid kettle]

nuh uh its the american civil war+ vietnam war+world war 2+aliens

probably a healthy heap of America's involvement in the middle east too when Innies became suicide bombers in 2007

[last anchor]

They rammed a civilian starship too at some point right

[inland holly]

we need a halo game where we travel to the proxima centauri system.

[carmine sleet]

Nah, aliens attacking Britain is a regular occurrence here, last week was Zygons

[carmine sleet]

Why specifically that system?

[inland holly]

it just sounds interesting imo

[unique rune]

It would never happen given it’s a real system with a known distance from ours

[orchid kettle]

Halo used to use real systems until they ended up placing Harvest near a star that was a meager 11 light years away from Earth

in direct opposition to its supposed status as the UEG's furthest flung colony that was pushing up against the edge of Covenant space

think they learned their lesson after that became a whole debacle

[wispy pewter]

the fact that Alpha Centauri the closest star to ours is not in the Halo universe

if they ever go there they can probably rescue the Robinsons or something

[hardy swan]

When ships enter slipspace do they have to travel inside that dimension or do they instantly teleport to destination

[stoic hamlet]

They travel inside that dimension sublight.

It’s supposed to take time, but Halo basically ignores it’s own stated lore on this, to my eternal irritation.

I have a Reddit thread that goes over it:

https://old.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/16dbj3g/how_humanity_fights_their_wars_interstellar_travel/

[hardy swan]

Huh didn't know you need to be in your birthday suit for Cyrosleep... That is totally ignored in the games because then the cutscene between Anders and Cutter would be... Different. In fact no one in Halo wars 1 and 2 were

[dusk jetty]

The flood does say chief gets blisters/rashes from being woken from cyro in mjolnir too early

And then you have the first HW2 cutscene which ignores the cryosleep rules lmao

Like Canadian said, it’s always contradicting itself

[glacial coral]

I got a question. In Halo Infinite, the Brutes that immediately go berserk and try to rip you to pieces rather than pick up a weapon. Are they being given the 'rumble drug'?

The same one that Baird used in Midnight in the Heart of Midlothian?

[empty bloom]

No. Brutes have their own combat stimulants.

[glacial coral]

Okay. Thank you.

[spare kite]

I gotta stop reading youtube comments. It not good for my health lol.

[bronze prawn]

how the UNSC keeps its war effort at this point of the halo universe ?

the created have seized plenty of planets and even earth

have they been doing hit-and-run tactics this time, they have some industrial colonies elswhere ... ?

[hardy swan]

People have previously mentioned that Cortana didn't have total control of human space or something like that.
But then again she did destroy or take over most of the UNSCs industrial planets....

I really just want them to get over this and make the UNSC strong again

[empty bloom]

Same can be said of most social media these days.

[spare kite]

True but I watched a youtube short where the creator ended the short by saying that Jorge is actually the average size of a 2 lol.

[empty bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crush-crusher-skull-halloween-gif-26163235

I mean he's not as tall as Reach makes him look but he's not the average

The average IV, going off of total characters, is just under the average of the IIs, lmao.

By like, an inch

[spare kite]

Gonna cause a stroke to the "the 3's are shorter than the 2's" crowd if u tell them this.

[empty bloom]

Pffft. I cause enough by saying I don't like Spartan IIs much.

My favorite Spartan is Tanaka, and that causes some hate.

[spare kite]

Palmer is my meme choice. Chief almost gets chocked out by a brute while she 1v1's a chieftain as an odst

[wispy pewter]

they are

[empty bloom]

By splattering him using grenade physics, lmao

Oh and kicking him IG

Or was that grunts she did that to? One of the two.

[wispy pewter]

batman level gymnastics are always stupid especially when wearing titanium armor

[hardy swan]

The only good Palmer is Corporal Palmer

[spare kite]

She rams all three with a warthog but the fact that she can just charge a chieftain, jump over the swing from the chieftain, get her gun under the armor of the chieftain and blast away always gets a laugh out of me. Its just such a crazy outlier lol. Honestly outside of Marvin I cant think of any other feat from baseline humans that rival it.

[wispy pewter]

if she didn't have plot armor at that time she would have been pancake

[spare kite]

I do wish we got more media showcasing Odst's. I really enjoyed Helljumpers. A complete opposite from the wackiness of Initiation, it imo shows the Odst's in a really good light. Not too over the top but u can definitely see that they're a step above the marines.

[empty bloom]

Buck canonically taking out both Hunters with an AR and Shotgun.

[spare kite]

I gotta finish Odst, but yea that would be crazier

[empty bloom]

Honestly until they canonized it, I had assumed what canonically happened was that Buck did what I assume Rookie did and slipped by ASAP.

[spare kite]

I dont have New Blood on me does it say how he did it? It would be a bit wacky if he did it the same way Palmer did the Chieftain, but I could see him better pulling it off if he like planned it out and stuff.

[hardy swan]

The bullets were made of vibranium

[stoic hamlet]

I can’t recall if he did it with an AR or shotgun, but overall his area of engagement was much more conducive to a fight, lots of cover, height advantage, plenty of ordinance lying around, and there were marines with him, at least early on.

[obsidian thistle]

I would quote what he did from the book... but he uses "choice" language aha. But essentially he went for their backs. And didn't say what he used.

Source: Halo: New Blood, chapter 8

@spare kite @stoic hamlet 🙂

Did take him awhile at least for him to lose contact with Dare.

So it wasnt a kill quickly sorta deal

[hardy swan]

I would make a joke but I would get muted

[fresh granite]

In Outcasts, there is a mention of Sangheili drinking vessels. I assume these would be markedly different from human drinkware due to the different facial structures?

[obsidian thistle]

https://www.halopedia.org/images/3/36/Escalation_-_Delban_bar.png?20140616005620

That should help

Same comic that has a Sangheili puking their guts out

HOORK

[hardy swan]

These guys are wearing clothes

[obsidian thistle]

But yea @fresh granite they drink from cups

[last anchor]

Social media commentary of any form.
We've essentially reached the mid point of the barrel where any motion results in a perpetual downwards piral

[empty bloom]

I'm sitting here begging Halo to move off of Twitter and onto Bluesky.

[last anchor]

Im not sure that would help, consdiering people moving over from one to the other simply result in the same conversations happening in my expereince.

Its mildly less caustic, though. And no bots (so far)

[empty bloom]

There's less transphobes on Bluesky.

[carmine sleet]

My main Twitter is dead these days and the only thing I use it for is to retweet the same tweet saying I'm over on Bluesky

[empty bloom]

I completely removed all my Twitter accounts, tbh.

[carmine sleet]

But also aye, less transphobes is a great thing too

Only reason I've not outright deleted them is to make sure nobody scoops up my @ on there

[last anchor]

I only keep it for official news from a few gaming companies and, annoyingly, the Center for Whale Research, since they too wont move over to Bluesky despite my extensively long detailed email about it...

Social media migrations not easy though, so I suppose its just gonna be.

[empty bloom]

Mhmn.

[stoic hamlet]

Center for whale research

Well that just makes sense, you know, with you being an Orca, n’all.

[last anchor]

Indeed

[woeful vortex]

is there a book which talks a lot abt reach? cus i heard that the fall of reach book isnt mostly abt reach

[empty bloom]

There's not really many books exclusively and only about the battle of Reach, they mostly talk about things happening during without a broader-view perspective.

[woeful vortex]

oh i see:(

[silk marten]

How many colony worlds does the UNSC have?

And how many humans in total population inhabit the galaxy

[terse lava]

@silk marten 800 colonies(from full worlds to small settlements) and 39 billion humans before the war with the Covenant

[spare kite]

I recall seeing some comments about the 39 billion figure or a similar figure simply being the sample size that Halsey used for the Spartan 2 program. Meaning that there could be more. Whether or not thats true or not idk, but it was an interesting thought that I came across.

[hardy swan]

400 years of spreading across the galaxy like peanut butter

[terse lava]

Guess the Covenant's 3400 years of space travel is jelly then.

[hardy swan]

Even after the HCW I'm gonna assume human population is still higher than most covie species lol

It's canon that humans in the Halo universe multiply like rats

[terse lava]

why woudl that be?

Eh I don't know about that

the booklet that came with the LE of Halo 3 gave population numbers for the Covenant homeworlds

they alone were several billion

[hardy swan]

How much

I mean yeah that's a couple of species together

[terse lava]

no, the species of that planet, not multiple species

for example, Doisac, the brute homeworld, had a population of 12.5 billion

[hardy swan]

All dead rip

Cortana killed 13 billion monkeys wth

[terse lava]

Amusnely Sangheilos, the elite homeworld, formely had a population of over 8 billion

Though still feels weird High Charity had a population of 7 billion

[empty bloom]

I mean you'd only need a space with the square footage the size of Rhode Island to fit 8 billion humans in standing room.

[wispy pewter]

I love sci fi mega structures

[terse lava]

But who'd even want that tight of a set up?

[empty bloom]

Basically, the population density of New York applied to something the size of High Charity means you'd have room for a population roughly 2 trillion in count.

High Charity is, ah, very big.

[terse lava]

Indeed it is

The main city is so tiny compared to the station itself

[empty bloom]

For size reference; Rhode Island is 77km by 60km. High Charity's widest floor is 348km across.

[terse lava]

Does make ya wonder how many other stations the Covenant had that could have come close to High Charity

[versed helm]

I just realized how powerful the covenant can be

[bronze prawn]

so like the covenant has some "capital worlds" in their space or high charity just work as it

does high charity just floats around space as ships and ships gather around it or it has a designed planet to orbit ?

[terse lava]

@bronze prawn It acts as the main capital of the Covenant as a whole. It travels around their territory for tribibute or halting rebellions

[fresh granite]

From what I've read in Outcasts, a Sangheili Keepmaster is the equivalent to a majordomo or butler?

[sonic lagoon]

How did some covenant planets not know about the great schism occurring?

[tropic forge]

The Covenant famously lost planets for years or decades to pure bureaucracy, and that was when they were operating as intended. A civil war, comms as a chokepoint and deliberate suppression would all exacerbate that.

[sonic lagoon]

Also what conflict took place between 2090-2103? Halopedia says it was of a similar scale to WW2 and the interplanetary war, was it WW3? https://www.halopedia.org/2090

https://www.halopedia.org/2103

[unique rune]

If it’s not mentioned by Halopedia then there’s a pretty good chance it’s never been specified

[sonic lagoon]

What can we infer with all other given information about the post WW2 period? Is the History of earth just the same till that time or does it split off at some point? Can we infer any wars after WW2 did happen in the halo universe?

[sonic lagoon]

Also the only source listed in Halopedia is Halo Glasslands for this unnamed conflict.

[sonic lagoon]

Were the earth, moon, and mars the only locations humans could have had a war at that time?

[high elbow]

It’s possible, especially if it’s before the creation of slip space drives

[sonic lagoon]

What was the UEG considered to be when first established in 2075 until 2170? How did it govern the moon and mars? Were they colonies are at that time and how much representation/power/autonomy did they have? Did the citizens have voting rights or any rights?

[obsidian thistle]

Yea... its very offhandly said in Kilo-5

I'm amazed we even got years for the timeline

[obsidian thistle]

It probably was more a thing that existed than a governing body.

Imagine more something a lotta people agree to.

[sonic lagoon]

It can also be stated that NATO still possibly existed for most of the 21st century, possibly even until the 26th century. Not sure. https://www.halopedia.org/North_Atlantic_Treaty_Organization

[obsidian thistle]

I'd imagine it closer to NATO of all things lol

Or a department of the UN

That evolved to be more

[sonic lagoon]

Also got some civilian uprisings against UEG from 2475-2483. https://www.halopedia.org/2475

Then after that more outer colony violence after People’s Occupation and the Secessionist Union after being denied the right to secede in 2487.

[fair hazel]

Can't wait for the book tomorrow

[carmine sleet]

Wish my copy was arriving tomorrow but alas, gotta wait an extra week

[stoic hamlet]

Humanity had colonized Mars, the Saturnine and Jupiter Moons, and had a few other space outposts before Slipspace drives were invented. The Interplanetary Wars occurred over a hundred years before their invention.

[hardy swan]

Today book is out

[sonic lagoon]

Do hard-light projectiles count as energy based projectiles or just as something different?

[hardy swan]

They didn't even go WW3 route it's just the UN Vs commies

[sonic lagoon]

2160-2170 for Koslovics and Frieden but maybe predecessor groups for the 2090-2103 period? I’m curious if it involved Russia, Serbia, China, Iran, Iraq, or Congo.

[hardy swan]

Literally sounds russian and atp I think the USSR didn't collapse in the Halo universe

[sonic lagoon]

In Fallout the USSR did not collapse until the Great War in 2077, so maybe so.

So does the US government still exist in a localized form in Halo or was it absorbed and divided?

[last anchor]

It did. Russia is a singular bloc similar to the URNA, united Korea and the European Union

[strange pumice]

As more I hear interesting details, then more I realize that Halo are actually cannon in real life

So we need just to live more enough to see Mjolnir armor

[hardy swan]

We already have exo suits

One thing about technology in Halo is their lack of robotics.

[strange pumice]

But also Halo has augmented soldiers, and we don't

[last anchor]

Mostly due to morality more than technological knowhow to be honest

For the best in truth

[tribal trench]

The government of humanity is literally known as the UEG

United Earth Government

UNSC stands for United Nations Space Command

the different nations of the world elect a singular prime minister to represent the entire UN iirc

afaik it’s a “separate but whole” thing

i’m sure CIA is here to either correct me or elaborate

[obsidian thistle]

The UN still exists. But is very much just an admin thing for Earth.

[versed helm]

ONI glassed my home world

[obsidian thistle]

The US however...

https://www.halopedia.org/United_Republic_of_North_America

That kinda evolved into that

[sonic lagoon]

How is the UEG divided?

[obsidian thistle]

Departments

[tribal trench]

that’s a better question for CIA

he’s like… probably the most renowned lore expert

[obsidian thistle]

https://www.halopedia.org/UNSC_Department_of_Commercial_Shipping

[tribal trench]

aside from people like Haruspis

[obsidian thistle]

Like that

https://www.halopedia.org/Unified_Earth_Government

This page isnt to bad either

[obsidian thistle]

Naw yer gonna make me blush aha

[sour adder]

Empty Throne released now!

Seeking a thread here 👀

[wispy pewter]

Turns out the UNSC isn't as crippled as I thought it was

[obsidian thistle]

Planning on it. Just getting some minor stuff sorted! 🙂

Halo: Empty Throne Spoiler chat thread!

Please use said chat for discussions on Halo: Empty Throne until otherwise stated! 🙂

Please note: I also dont have the book till the 27th aha! (Shipping sucks) So if I myself cant join in. Sorry but I certainly have stuff I plan to discuss once I do! (Which I'll do there aha)

[carmine sleet]

I've gotta wait a week for my copy, which is a shame

[obsidian thistle]

Halopedians and other peeps not getting copies due to shipping and regional issues aha!

But alas #1341462109581606922 please use this chat to discuss the book! ❤️

[empty bloom]

The real question is, do we get a cool paint job for to celebrate this book too?

[stoic hamlet]

Not that I can see, sadly.

[latent junco]

Nope
Unless it'll be like tomorrow or sumn

[empty bloom]

:c this does not spark joy

[obsidian thistle]

As a side note cause I know a LOTTA people use the wiki

I would like to remind everyone that Halopedia does not mark or hide spoilers for recently-released media.

If you wish to remain un-spoiled for the new novel, I recommend being wary while browsing the wiki!

(This isn't me being critical on the wiki fyi. 😁 I and my team just know some dont wanna be spoilt. But we cant stop recording stuff after they release)

[woeful vortex]

is the best start into the halo universe (after having played the games) reading the fall of reach, the flood, first strike and ghost of onyx?

[obsidian thistle]

Yea The Original Series isnt a bad place to start

An alternative route is reading Halo: Mythos if you can get a copy.

Halo: Contact Harvest isn't bad either if you want a story about the start of the Human-Covenant War

Halo: Legends is a good pick also if you prefer to watch something.

[woeful vortex]

kk thanks:) i think i will 1st give the fall of reach a try

[obsidian thistle]

Halo: Legends may be available on a streaming platform ya have? (Prime in the UK last I checked)

[woeful vortex]

ye i have sites... totally legal ones

[obsidian thistle]

(I only suggest Legends cause its something I know people may have access to quicker than the novels)

[woeful vortex]

oooh this is the animated one, cool i have been thinking abt watching it. generally are halo movies good and do they add to the lore or not really

[obsidian thistle]

I enjoy them. But your enjoyment may differ pending several factors.

[woeful vortex]

oh kk will look into some movies as well then.

[hardy swan]

Having to wait 7 days for the book...

[obsidian thistle]

Doesn't look like it this time

[wispy pewter]

they said book release on 18th but on Amazon it's 25 lol

[obsidian thistle]

Yea the books been delayed for a lotta folks.

But if you own it, you can discuss stuff in #1341462109581606922 🙂

[sour adder]

25th for the majority?

[obsidian thistle]

Seems to be region based. BUT interestingly enough most Halopedians and a LOT of lore peeps tend to be UK based so that may put forward an illusion of a majority

[stoic hamlet]

The lore community tends to skew Commonwealth, oddly.

Aussies, Canucks, Scots, English, etc.

[unique rune]

American fans can’t read, obviously

[tired peak]

Books suck

[obsidian thistle]

😦

[high elbow]

I don’t know what the says, but I’m offended

[carmine sleet]

It says that Spider-Man's name is Peter Parker

[dusk jetty]

It’s Bruce Wayne actually

[glacial coral]

I finished Empty Throne. Chronologically, I've placed it between Epitaph and The Rubicon Protocol.

Also, Emperor Nova, I am an American and I prefer the books over the games mostly. So yeah, I can read. And Scorpion, the books do not suck.

[stoic hamlet]

pretty sure they were joking, lol

[unique rune]

the world may never know

[bronze prawn]

I find it funny how some days ago Kammyshep mention how terrfiyng was the EMP over Earth

and in the book today it was a disabled frigate what destroyed Sidney

[hardy swan]

But is the Opera House still there tho

[stoic hamlet]

That was known as far back as Fractures, released in… 2018? This book just confirms the Plateau did detonate.

Though that was actually informed in a canon fodder a few months back.

[bronze prawn]

im just through the half of the new book

are all halo books the same ? "oh we need (--------) thing to (------------) but first we need to go to (----------)" "oh no, all other factions are here"

[wispy pewter]

that was quick, and yes

[glacial coral]

@bronze prawn the kilo five trilogy wasn't. Honestly it's still my favourite collection of halo novels.

[still cipher]

i like this Octavio Morales guy

all his interesting ONI stuff behind the scenes

[wispy pewter]

no u

go spilers

[tired peak]

bruhhhhhhhhh.... i see it now

[last anchor]

Thats not the case with Contact Harvest.

[supple mountain]

Kinda dumb question but Im just curious, are flood keyminds able to move? Not like planetary orbit but rather towards let say another planet.

[sonic lagoon]

What do you call a grunt that doesn’t believe in ghosts?

[prime sinew]

what

[hardy swan]

still waiting man

[sonic lagoon]

I don’t have a response to it actually. See if you can make one. I just type it out before I forgot it, too good to forget.

[high elbow]

Devin. We call him Devin

[sonic lagoon]

Hooray.

[tired peak]

dose it have the URF in it thoe?

[last anchor]

No.

Unrelated rebels show up but arent part of the actual events on Harvest.

[orchid kettle]

Im also kinda annoyed we're going with the idea that there even is an actual URF instead or like, a random disconnected group of rebels that just pop up on a planet by planet basis

[covert tide]

Controversial Theory here:
Everyone is constantly arguing about whether or not Forerunners and Humans were the same species, Well I had a Crazy Theory
What if Humans are descended from A VARIANT of the forerunners or the two were part of the same genus or species family, and that humans are the last of the Sapient species, in which there were other species similar to Humans and forerunners in such genus or species family, but ultimately died out.
It would make sense with the chief in the books saying the Technology felt familiar despite never encountering it before, and coincide with Guilty Spark in 2 betrayals saying: "Why would you hesitate to do what you've already done?" implying that he's encountered someone like Master Chief before.
along with coinciding with the Religious symbolism and the gravemind saying "I Am a Monument, To All Of You Sins". along with Dr Halsey in reach saying the data she & Cortana were siphoning was "Knowledge, a Birthright from an Ancient Civilization
This Theory could Truly fix the halo lore that 343 broke when they took over the series, along with their argument that the 2 weren't the same, along with the extra lore they established.

[unique rune]

this

this isn't even a theory this is literally just how it works

Forerunners and Humans are both just derived from the same ancestral species

[covert tide]

Halo studios nor 343 ever mentioned this was the case

[covert tide]

No bungie was trying to hint at Humans and Forerunners being the same species.

[unique rune]

343's explicitly confirmed that humans and Forerunners came from the same "base stock" in the 2022 encyclopedia

[covert tide]

This theory would also have a bit of irony seeing as the covenant worshiped the forerunners and humans were similar to the forerunners and in this theory descended from an unnamed variant of the forerunner species.

[carmine sleet]

Also the idea 343 "broke things" by making humans and Forerunner separate is not true at all, Bungie were the ones to establish the two were separate via the Halo 3 terminals

[unique rune]

Nothing ever really broke since at the end of the day nothing really changed humanity's status as the Forerunner's chosen successors regardless of them being directly related or not

[carmine sleet]

Aye

[covert tide]

That and there would still be a lot of the Religious symbolism that is common in the Halo Games, with how the top 3 most popular religions, have had the same angel appear to someone, and how the 3 had a similar origin.
I'll link my sources here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6p0ECMPiBw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvvzhxO_P5A&pp=ygUbcmVsaWdpb3VzIHN5bWJvbGlzbSBpbiBoYWxv
Also: Original message got deleted by the higher ups so yeah made some edits

[covert tide]

Just think it would be nice for Halo studios to give some more details on the whole Humanity and Forerunner Connection is all.

[carmine sleet]

There's not really much else needed but what Nova already mentioned, humans and Forerunners come from the same "base stock"

[unique rune]

I don't think there's really much more to be elaborated on
They've been explicitly confirmed as just being closely related and descended from a shared ancestor

I feel like the exact nature of the link between Forerunner and human is just sort of... overlitigated and ultimately really doesn't mean a whole lot in the grand scheme of things

[carmine sleet]

Like, the two species evolved into different things, one ended up becoming the space fairing empire which made the death hula hoops which can wipe out a galaxy, the other had a space fairing empire, got defeated by the ones who made the death hula hoops, regressed, indexed for when the death hula hoops were fired. Not really much else needed

[covert tide]

ok at least 343 had the same idea i had and implemented it in a compatable way earlier

[hot zodiac]

This isn't accurate. A proper breakdown can be found here:

https://www.halopedia.org/Terminal_(Halo_3)#Human-Forerunner_connection

[obsidian thistle]

Tldr: Its not a simple answer

[ionic tiger]

I think it can safely be said that humans and Forerunners being the same species was the original plan. However, for one reason or another, we got content proposing that they were distinct by Halo 3. I know some folks try to say it was deliberately slipped in in secret, but by all accounts it was no great secret and there was just a lack of concern from all involved. Given Bungie wasn't going to make a follow up to 3 they probably figured it didn't matter.

[hot zodiac]

There's a factual issue, there isn't any material of Halo 3 that proposes that humans are a distinct species from Forerunners—but on the other hand it's also important to note the volume of material of the original, and the continuation of the idea after any issues, is paramount to how much the studio did in fact believe in it, and more importantly, how well established it was

[empty bloom]

Ahem.

Youtube fan videos aren't primary sources.

[carmine sleet]

The idea it was "slipped in" also falls apart quickly considering that for stuff like the terminals, they'd need to be reviewed and checked over to make sure they're good for shipping in the release build of the game. They're pretty well polished when looking at it purely from the game design side of things and considering how easy they are to find, QA testers would've definitely been checking them out

[empty bloom]

The stuff they got their info from is the source, find that and post it.

I swear, it's like nobody knows how to cite anything anymore.

[carmine sleet]

Like, a dev's face hidden on a moon in the skybox is something that would be missed, as that's not something most people would be paying attention to unless something was seriously wrong with it (Like the sky being bright pink when it shouldn't be)

[orchid kettle]

all this talk about 4runners but when will we finally discuss the best toyota model, the tacoma

[orchid kettle]

Doesn't Paul say that the terminal team and campaign team were either at odds, or just not communicating with each other about this topic?

For what its worth as well, Im really not sure how else you're supposed to interpret the Librarian geeking out about Earth and calling it [Eden] aside from her somehow feeling on some spiritual level that she's found her species' homeworld

And you know, the Garden of Eden was the place humans were banished from.

unless of course you're not really supposed to draw any deeper connection than just "wow this rock sure is pretty"

in which case personally if I was the writer Id choose a different word

[ionic tiger]

You aren't wrong. I think her saying that the humans on Earth being "so much like us" does a lot of heavy lifting. Like us, but not us. Yet it could easily cut the other way.

[orchid kettle]

wow i didn't know kendrick lamar existed 100,000 years ago

Honestly to me it reads like Bungie just had no idea how to explain Humans = Forerunners

[ionic tiger]

Like I said, they were probably banking on that never being a relevent thing after they were done.

[orchid kettle]

are we earth apes shaped to look like forerunners, did we split off at some point and the proto-forerunners somehow ended up in space with no knowledge of their original homeworld

[ionic tiger]

Guess 343 decided it was easier to go their direction in that regard.

[hot zodiac]

It reads to me like certain people made a mistake

But fans misinterpret and then 343 comes along and just makes what they think the fans know the lore as, and canonize it

The lineage of it is really easy to see

[orchid kettle]

I feel like Halo 4/the forerunner saga aren't really all that compatible with the 3 terminals anyway considering how it introduces Ancient Humanity as a near-peer civilization and clones the Didact so he can be the guy from the terminals and the villain of 4

Terminal Librarian has no reason to be confused about the earth monkeys in that scenario

[hot zodiac]

I've thought a lot about that and I think it just comes down to people simply liking it too much to notice or care

Which is backwards to me, but subjectivity is a beast

[ionic tiger]

That's fair, I'd even say I fall into that category. I can see the gaps, but the characters and universe woven by the Forerunner trilogy and its related stories just resonate with me.

[orchid kettle]

I've kinda just gotten used to thinking of each individual piece of Halo media as existing in its own version of the universe

whether it be in terms of like, writers having different interpretations of characters or the state of the universe clearly changing course behind the scenes in major installments.

[last anchor]

And further in Point of Light where the Librarian speaks to Orion Forge

[glacial coral]

Do you think they'll ever release t

he waypoint chronicles as an official novel?

[obsidian thistle]

I hope so! I want those on my bookshelf lol

(Also toss in Rebirth and Sacrifice so those have a second physical option as the previous versions are rare to get. Seriously try and get a Walmart Shadows of Reach lol, so glad that wasnt done again. Star Wars does it all the time and it urks me)

[wispy pewter]

4 more days before the book hits my Kindle 🤪 I can't waiiiiitt

[glacial coral]

@obsidian thistle Don't forget the Adjunct from The Fall of Reach, The Flood and First Strike. The new books don't have them either.

[obsidian thistle]

They do

I have one

[obsidian thistle]

Yea just checked my copy

The Adjunct is 100% in the Gallery 2019 release of Halo: The Fall of Reach! 🙂 @glacial coral

I dont own the Gallery The Flood or First Strike yet. But I'd assume the same

The only one to really look out for is the Titan Books vs Gallery Books New Blood

The Titan Books (UK) release lacks the Coda at the end tying it to Halo 5 better.

The Gallery Books (US) release has the Coda.

That admittedly is the only re-release that Titan did.

And yes I know its a pain to get Gallery Book copies in the UK.

😛

[glacial coral]

The only old books with Adjunct were TOR books. I checked the Gallery books at a store. They don't have them.

[real merlin]

Do the UNSC have FTL sensors?
Or any other faction for that matter

[covert tide]

well how should I cite it??
would be more than happy to learn

[empty bloom]

I... I just told you.

Like, the statement is literally the message above it.

Unless you mean like, MLA formatting

[spark pivot]

Yes, just about everyone with FTL has that by now I think

[real merlin]

Did the UNSC have it pre-war or during human covenant war?
Or is it kinda like the situation with the infinity having some reverse engineered forerunner stuff?

[spark pivot]

they didn't really have it till the end and after iirc

it would mostly be reverse enginnered covie and forerunner tech

with some good old human brute-force-it-until-it-does-what-I-want-it-to

[stoic hamlet]

They had Slipspace monitoring stations, but that’s not a thing really until late war.

[covert tide]

Quick question
If there are limits to slip-space travel couldn't humanity have figured out how to utilize dark energy (The stuff expanding our universe faster than light) to do FTL travel or is that just outright slower?

[hardy swan]

Zefram Cochrane wasn't born in the Halo Universe so they did not invent any other FTL travel

[glacial coral]

Okay. Halo: Fleet Battles.

I'm seeing lore about characters briefly mentioned in Halopedia that are sourced from this game.

Is there any database with full, specific lore about characters, events and such from this game that I can find? I crave Halo lore.

[stoic hamlet]

Halopedia’s your best bet.

[ember hedge]

The Gallery version of "The Flood" and "First Strike", do have the adjunct sections in the back of the novel.

[ember hedge]

I own the Gallery versions of all the Nylund novels, they all have the adjunct section in the back of the novel.

[obsidian thistle]

Unless its like 3 characters lol. Most have alt-appearances in the lore! 🙂

[glacial coral]

@obsidian thistle Any lore I can gather, print and catalog, I find fascinating.

@ember hedge Forgive my indiscretion. I was not aware.

[latent junco]

Ik this has been asked here like a billion times, but what's the best order to read the Halo novels in? 😅
Just got Empty Throne a few days ago, but I would like more at some point, so I was just wondering, since I've forgotten lol

[stoic hamlet]

Release order, due to how Halo’s universe has developed over the years.

[latent junco]

👍

[obsidian thistle]

I'll always say picking a Series isnt too shabby either. Though starting with "The Original Series" or Halo: Mythos (if you can find a copy) is highly suggested

Cause once you read the original series

You can effectively jump anywhere any have a strong understanding of the fundamentals

I'll have the Halopedia release order list done tonight however if you want a link to use however! 🙂

[glacial coral]

I prefer chronological order.

[obsidian thistle]

You really shouldnt lol. Chapter hoping adventures are something I cant recommend

Plus it gets weird if you are being loose on it

[carmine sleet]

It's at least not as bad when playing the games in chronological order, since the main thing you need to do is play ODST in the middle of Halo 2, but I can't help but imagine the nightmare it would be to try and read the novels in chronological order

[obsidian thistle]

I did

Its what got me noticed by various lore communities

[carmine sleet]

Fair

[obsidian thistle]

https://web.archive.org/web/20201111175404/https://www.halowaypoint.com/en-us/forums/db05ce78845f4120b062c50816008e5d/topics/halo-canon-order-halo-3-and-before/23bec818-d9c5-4932-981b-61efe8532f61/posts?page=1

Extremely outdated

But that was what I maintained until I joined Halopedia

2009 to 2016 (I mighta added a few things here and there)

(Also some mistakes I cant change now)

Eeww knowing what I know now. That is VERY wrong

(Yes, it you are very knowledgeable on Halo lore. You'll see a lotta micro mistakes)

And a primary reason chapter hoping isnt recommended.

If you can do it. Power to ya lol

[carmine sleet]

Oh wow

Also seeing the old Waypoint layout is a real blast from the past

[unique rune]

Not only that but you’d also have to be playing two instances of Halo 2 at the same time since the Chief and Arbiter parts of the campaign have some overlap lol

[obsidian thistle]

And dont get me started with the Spartan games

Do you play them when the framing device happens

Do you play them when the sims happen.

[obsidian thistle]

And Halo 3: ODST gets funky with the epilogue after Halo 2.

And Halo Reach gets funky ending after most media

Yea canon order if you do stuff loosely becomes very unorganised

[stoic hamlet]

You poor bugger, lol

Did you go all out? You know, read Forerunner Saga first, then parts of Broken Circle, then parts of TFoR, then the flashback on First Strike, etc… Because that’s real dedication.

[obsidian thistle]

I did it all for the community cause back then I wasnt even a Halopedia editor

[stoic hamlet]

Oh god, lol. I like to think I’m committed, but even I can’t do that,

I think the constant switching would slowly kill me.

[sonic lagoon]

What faction was Halo Infinite’s the Crusher supposed to belong to? https://screenrant.com/halo-infinite-datamine-unused-enemy-crusher/

[high elbow]

I could see The Crusher being some wildlife weaponized by the Banished

[sonic lagoon]

It reminds me of these four armed enemies from Turok.

[dusk jetty]

100% banished

I recognise the concept art

[carmine sleet]

Well... I just learnt that it's now gonna be March 4th when I get my copy of Empty Throne...

[wispy pewter]

well it's the 25th or me already and the book isn't in my kindle yet

[vale mountain]

Chat so i have a question about the lore. Im reading first strike and theres a section where halsey says that the forerunner artifact master chief got from cǒte d’ azur is a star chart that leads to the star system where reach is. But in fall of reach it led to halo, so like how did halsey get epsilon eridani from it?

[glacial coral]

I'm guessing it's a star chart that just has Reach as one of the locations, but it leads to Halo

[vale mountain]

Also whats the lore reason master chiefs longsword magically transforms into a pelican

[stoic hamlet]

At the end of Halo CE?

[wispy pewter]

more than meets the eye

[vale mountain]

In first strike

As soon as it crash lands in the covenant starship they it turns into a pelican

[unique rune]

Johnson & co. were using a Pelican. Chief met up with them and transferred over.

[stoic hamlet]

The Longsword was destroyed, used as a decoy.

[empty bloom]

Bit of a weird question. I'm content running this my own way, so I'll go with how I want, but I want to ask; How would a nonbinary/genderfluid Spartan best be handled in the Halo universe?

My current main character for the fan novels I've been working on, Spartan Bannerman, doesn't have a set gender identity; I don't want to portray them as innately male or female in identification, but enough to indicate that they are male-to-female in a nonbinary biological sense of the matter. Both to indicate the franchise's status as a post-politicized sense of gender identity, in respect to current issues, and reflected the sort of person that would end up being a Spartan.

[stoic hamlet]

I suppose you could look at how Dirt handled its LGBTQ characters, small appearance though they were. admittedly they were side characters, not POV, but in terms of, say, everyone’s reaction to them, that’s your best bet, I think.

[empty bloom]

Are you kidding me?

One sec have a rules beef

That is some crap

Alright, beef done with-LGBTQ folks should have more leeway to say the actual, specific, terms of our identity in this server. That is infuriating to handle.

[wispy pewter]

so what's the word between Maam and sir

[uncut lion]

Miss.

[steel aurora]

Let me guess, the Q word is censored?

[spark pivot]

I believe the one for g is also censored

Anyways what do we think the forerunners would think of hamburgers and french fries

[steady wedge]

I really want some new creatures for the banished

The skimmers were a good begining to add New things

But i want more on halo 7

and i want the engineers back

[carmine sleet]

Maybe Chief should've tried taking the Didact to a fast food joint and getting him the largest burger possible

[spark pivot]

yes

[wispy pewter]

hoomans and endless

Jannisaries as bossfights

[steady wedge]

Maybe guys in a banished mech suit would be cool

[carmine sleet]

The Skimmers are pretty unique in that they were incorporated into the Banished on Zeta after Harbinger was released from her Cylix. The rest of the Banished is made up of former Covenant, mainly Grunts, Jackals, Elites and Brutes. They do have Engineers but I imagine they weren't in Infinite due to the dev teams focusing on the new enemy types we got

[carmine sleet]

Grunt Goblins

[steady wedge]

Multiple mech enemies

That would be awesome

(that would be a good excuse to add back the mantis)

Easily one of the bes vehicles in the franchise

[carmine sleet]

We don't need an excuse for it to come back, it just should

[steel aurora]

didact needed a moa burger fr

[carmine sleet]

Make it a double Moa burger just to be safe

[wispy pewter]

those space monkeys are the size of Mantises

[steady wedge]

I like mechs

And Halo needs more mechs

[wispy pewter]

and robots

[steady wedge]

Im surprised that bungie never tried to add a mech suit to their games

[carmine sleet]

Brutes are not as big as the Mantis

[steady wedge]

We already have plenty of robots on halo

[carmine sleet]

The Promethean constructs and Sentinels are robots for the most part

[wispy pewter]

none by the UNSC tho

[steady wedge]

Do anyone here remember the cut unsc drones

[carmine sleet]

Sure the Knights are made from human and Forerunner essences but they're still a robot enemy faction

[steady wedge]

They were suposed to appear on halo infinite

[carmine sleet]

I don't think we need UNSC robots in Halo

[wispy pewter]

it's just adds to the lore

[carmine sleet]

You mean the drone used for Outpost Discovery?

[wispy pewter]

500years into the future robots should exist

[steady wedge]

They reminded of the DB's in the coalition gears games

[wispy pewter]

I want Halo 7 to include those Venezian alibaba spartans

[carmine sleet]

Robots do exist, they're just not used by the UNSC for combat

[wispy pewter]

I don't remember them being used for logistics or labor either, like how clankers do eveyrhting in star wars

[steady wedge]

These guys
https://images.app.goo.gl/Ty6oYasaRg2a9XMb8

[wispy pewter]

Chappie

[steady wedge]

Theres a small flying drone in halo wars 2 If im not mistaken

[steady wedge]

Titanfall 2 spectres

[carmine sleet]

Oh those guys. Yeah I don't mind that those were cut

[steady wedge]

Yeah

They looked out of place for the halo universe

[empty bloom]

The more common term for sapphic. I sent modmail about it though admittedly I was likely too tilted.

[empty bloom]

I do, I would've loved seeing them.

[empty bloom]

'Comrade'

[carmine sleet]

I think this is the second time we've ever disagreed on something

[empty bloom]

I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often, I'm a very disagreeable person.

[carmine sleet]

Eh, I guess we have similar thoughts on a bunch of stuff

[wispy pewter]

I think combat bots would have been cool

[steel aurora]

Nah that’s kinda wild

[vocal bolt]

[vale mountain]

The pelican was filled with explosives and used as a distraction

The longsword was the ship they flew in on

[teal forum]

Posting here incase I was asking in the wrong channels. Looking for high quality images of the Brute Warriors in Infinite that wore the purple armors.

[carmine sleet]

Like the guy on the left here?

[sonic lagoon]

They exist in Fallout.

[versed helm]

CRAIG!!!

[carmine sleet]

Halopedia has plenty of images of both the blue and the purple clad warriors seen in Infinite

https://www.halopedia.org/Jiralhanae_Warrior#Screenshots

[carmine sleet]

Fallout isn't Halo, they're two different franchises. Just because something exists in one, does not mean it should exist in the other

[sonic lagoon]

That’s a self-evident statement.

[teal forum]

Yes the one on the left! Looking for more images to help with painting a miniature.

[carmine sleet]

There's plenty on Halopedia like I said

And I imagine loading up Forge and spawning some in would also be a good way to get pictures too

[glacial coral]

Okay. So you know how you can watch a series and occassionally an episode will focus on a flashback or a historical event before the show? Well I prefer Halo with that idea when enjoying the entirety of the fiction in chronological order. That said, here is my list of how to enjoy Halo.

Halo: Cryptum
Halo: Primordium
Halo: Silentium
Halo: Contact Harvest
Halo: Collateral Damage
Halo: Silent Storm
Halo: Oblivion
Halo Wars Genesis
Halo Wars
Halo: The Cole Protocol
Halo: Battle Born
Halo: Meridian Divide
Halo: Helljumper
Halo: Bloodline
Halo: The Fall of Reach
Halo: Fall of Reach (Bootcamp)
Halo: Fall of Reach (Covenant)
Halo: Fall of Reach (Invasion)
Dr. Halsey's Journal
Halo: Reach
Halo: The Flood
Halo: Combat Evolved
Halo: First Strike
I Love Bees
Halo 2
Halo Graphic Novel
Halo 3: ODST
Halo: Ghosts of Onyx
Halo: Uprising
Halo Landfall
Halo 3
Halo Legends
Halo Evolutions (Vol I + II)
Halo: Initiation
Halo: Broken Circle
Halo: Glasslands
Halo: The Thursday War
Halo: Mortal Dictata
Halo: Lone Wolf
Halo: Last Light
Halo: Hunters in the Dark
Halo: Nightfall
Halo: Smoke and Shadow
Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn
Halo 4
Halo: Renegades
Halo 4: Spartan Ops
Halo: Escalation Vol. 1-4
Halo: Envoy
Halo: The Fall of Reach Animated Series
Hunt the Truth
Halo: Point of Light
Halo: New Blood
Halo 5: Guardians
Halo: Bad Blood
Halo: Tales from Slipspace
Halo: Fractures
Halo: Legacy of Onyx
Halo: Retribution
Halo: Rise of Atriox
Halo Wars 2
Halo Wars 2: Operation Spearbreaker
Halo Wars 2: Awakening the Nightmare
Halo: Shadows of Reach
Halo: Divine Wind
Halo: Outcasts
Halo: Memory Agent
Halo: Epitaph
Halo: Empty Throne
Halo: Rubicon Protocol
Halo: Infinite
Halo Waypoint Chronicles

[unique rune]

I mean, they pretty much never show that side of the Halo universe anyway

[carmine sleet]

Indeed

[stoic hamlet]

Notably, Halo’s UNSC (like its inspirations) isn’t really “our” future. It’s a future borne from the idea of the late 90’s early 2000’s, and it will always struggle to mend the original ideas with the newer lore.

Like how, for example. The UNSC only ever used drones as UAV’s and the occasional assault drone, like the MAKO or the WOMBAT.

But now they’re using drones as we see them used in Ukraine, among other battlefronts, because that sort of lore is evolving.

[carmine sleet]

It's basically the double edged sword of setting something in the future. Yeah you can come up with these cool ideas for technology and where humanity goes but like, it's quite possible your idea of the future will suddenly become very outdated very quickly or be completely wrong when the year it's set in comes around

[unique rune]

I'm pretty sure if 343 introduced more combat robots to the Halo universe people would be complaining about them ruining the aesthetic

I've seen enough "durr they're making it Gundam!" or whatever dumb nonsense from the HW2 Johnson stuff

[strange pumice]

Why does their armor looks like scavenged and have(maybe?) some parts of spartan Mjolnir piece chest?

[stoic hamlet]

I personally don’t like the Mantis and all that, so I agree with those people, in principle, lol

[unique rune]

on some level I do get it
it's really just the immediate comparison to mecha anime that twigs me because it's ultimately like
nothing like that

similar to all the "GEN2 looks like Power Rangers" stuff

if you're gonna complain at least don't use stupid buzzwords that don't line up with reality is my point

[strange pumice]

I liking more GEN 2 more than mark VII

[carmine sleet]

The funniest one is when people go "Halo 4 and 5 was designed to look like the Power Rangers movie that came out in 2017", completely ignoring both those Halo games predate it

But also the armour in 4 and 5 doesn't really look like that anyway

[unique rune]

It's kind of besides the point but I think the GEN2 armors actually look more like Heisei-era Kamen Riders lol

[teal forum]

Thank you!

[carmine sleet]

I kinda see what you mean with some very specific details but they're still pretty distinct from that style

[unique rune]

Yeah, they're not really that similar but I think it's a better comparison than Sentai/Power Rangers

[carmine sleet]

Fair

[last anchor]

The fools would not understand Gundam if they saw it

[high elbow]

I think more than a few armor parts in Infinite mention how Atriox took inspiration from UNSC manufacturing and design

[carmine sleet]

I believe it's some of the early Rakshasa armour pieces which mention that

[empty bloom]

You won't be so eternal now that you made it known you dislike the Mantis.

[empty bloom]

They look like Metal Gear cyborgs/Crysis armor.

... That said how could you hate stuff this neat?

Don't be a creep.

[versed helm]

Lol

[steel aurora]

You must’ve enjoyed those random armors added to h2a

[empty bloom]

Mmmmn, you are correct.

[empty bloom]

(This helmet is the one I want in Infinite the most)

[steel aurora]

They’re a little much for me, I’m kind of glad they were added to the black sheep multiplayer lol

[glacial coral]

Only armour I wear is ODST armour.

HELLJUMPER FOR LIFE, BRUH!!!

[obsidian thistle]

*Seeker

[sonic lagoon]

Are plasma shields immune to water? 💦

[steady wedge]

Gen 2 reminds me of the cerberus armor from mass effect

Wich i think is dope because i like mass effect

[steady wedge]

Probably

Gen 2 with tatical stuff is peak however

[marble lion]

Some of the H2A armor do have some Kamen Rider look designs.

[hardy swan]

For a society built on AI it took Cortana becoming evil for them to build a fail safe against them... 😂

[sonic lagoon]

Do plasma weapons work underwater?

[hardy swan]

Spartan IVs looking down on ODSTs is so ironic considering many of them were former ODSTs

[unique rune]

I’m. fairly certain that’s generally not a thing

[stoic hamlet]

It does come up, occasionally.

[empty bloom]

Not really much of a thing, though looking down on ODSTs would make sense for many IVs.

The personality best expressed by many (non-main-character, IE A9) ODSTs is that of the modern Navy Seal, which is to say, is largely self-serving, independent, and arrogant to a fault.

I say that fresh off of reading off yet another SEAL book.

[fast heron]

I think it’s the other way around, the ODST’s hated the Spartans

[hardy swan]

I just read that one page where the IV was complaining about ODSTs slowing them down and Jai shut him up

[empty bloom]

The IV would be right to-it's rude to point out, but accurate nonetheless.

Vale actively gets hindered being around unaugmented troops and it ends in a friendly fire incedent, and Chief himself notes that being around unaugmented troops is more of a hinderance than a benefit to Spartans.

[sonic lagoon]

How much stronger were Spartan 2s compared to 3s?

[hardy swan]

A lot

[empty bloom]

@stoic hamlet Your pet project has arrived.

[fast heron]

A pretty decent amount lol

[empty bloom]

IIs and IIIs are equal at worst.

[fast heron]

I wouldn’t say that

[hardy swan]

If it was a II that punched Halsey she would have died

[fast heron]

I think Lucy def held back

[stoic hamlet]

My wha-oh.

oh

[fast heron]

She knew how to hold her strength back

I think

[empty bloom]

There's a reason I called in Eternal Canadian. I dislike IIIs and cannot be objective, even if I know they're good.

Eternal knows them way better than I do.

[fast heron]

I don’t mind the 3’s, but speaking of them

Did the spartan 3’s know they were expandable and probably going to die? If so, why did they keep fighting?

[stoic hamlet]

Adriana, actually.

Notably, Merrick was right, but he misunderstood why the Helljumpers were there. Their mission was just as important, but didn’t rely on speed.

[wispy pewter]

because they get to die killing aliens

[empty bloom]

ODSTs don't like IVs per say, at least partially because some ODSTs, allegedly, view ODST-Spartans as being something of turncoats. It's largely machoman weirdo thinking, IMO.

[stoic hamlet]

I do be well known. Pathogen188 on Reddit, and GenisisRed is also a good person to ask, but he’s not in this server, AFAIK.

[wispy pewter]

Why did I search merrick on halopedia to spoil myself 💀

[stoic hamlet]

…ah, damned, thought I was in the spoiler thread. I apologize.

[empty bloom]

No idea on GenisisRed, but I know Pathogen188 and I have had some beef in the past.

[stoic hamlet]

They’re one and the same.

Genesis is his discord.

[empty bloom]

Ah

Either way it was literally over like

Covenant Carbine stats

[wispy pewter]

Nah it's fine im still on that epic space battle

also they renamed the infinity mac cannons

[empty bloom]

(He thinks it hits like .50 BMG, I think it hits like .50 Beowulf)

(As I am a gun pedant, I am clearly right)

[fast heron]

Since Spartans 3’s used SPI, I have heard that SPI isn’t mjolnir, is this true? And is this also why they die much easier than other Spartans?

[empty bloom]

IIIs didn't die easier than other Spartans, though I'd honestly argue IVs seem the hardest to actually kill at this rate.

[fast heron]

Other than the missions

[wispy pewter]

why did they have to kill Mark

[empty bloom]

Like, seriously, Horvath recovered from near-death in a freaking ditch.

After getting deeply impaled.

That's not normal, lmao

[fast heron]

True lol

[fast heron]

Which part of lore is this again?

[wispy pewter]

yeah but die to 7.62s

[wispy pewter]

He was part of the ferret team in I forgot what book

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah in terms of feats IV’s have the best survivability. Though III Gammas are said to have the best survivability, due to their augmentations.

Though his armour definitely helped.

[wispy pewter]

My Kindle deleted all my books for some reason

[empty bloom]

If I shot Chief in the ribcage with a 7.62 he would likely still die. Spartans don't get bulletproof skin and muscle.

[fast heron]

But is SPI not mjolnir? That would explain some things in my opinion

[empty bloom]

SPI is kind of a halfway point.

[stoic hamlet]

It’s a separate exoskeleton.

[fast heron]

And the headhunters would use full-on mjolnir?

[wispy pewter]

I know titanium A can help against plasma but also know that after a few hits from lead it gets penetrated

[empty bloom]

Sometimes. Or they might not.

[stoic hamlet]

They used both.

[empty bloom]

Not really?

[stoic hamlet]

It’s a bit weird.

[fast heron]

Why would they use a weaker mjolnir armor?

[empty bloom]

Procurement is not a graph. Each is assigned as one can, should, and must.

[stoic hamlet]

Because SPI is better than MJOLNIR for the missions they were on.

[fast heron]

Ah, true

[stoic hamlet]

It still is, in some respects, but it’s been supplanted by Mirage. (Which is basically SPI 2.0. PAAI, if we want to be pedantic.)

[wispy pewter]

so is this like the 2nd or 3rd Spartan IV turncloak. Atp I don't care about spoilers, will probably reach there by tonight

[stoic hamlet]

You might not care, but I’d swap to the spoiler thread, because others likely do.

[wispy pewter]

okay I will have to find ity

[empty bloom]

Are

Are you kidding me

Another one?

Oh my god.

HS, for the love of god, please stop doing that damn trope.

[stoic hamlet]

But to circle back, @fast heron, out of armour II’s and III’s are roughly equal in speed and strength. Gammas are an outlier though, obviously.

[empty bloom]

Good 'ol Gammas, fanfic bait extraordinaire.

[fast heron]

Without armor, maybe I can see that

[wispy pewter]

Didn't Master Chief say the IIs outclass others in brute force

[empty bloom]

Chief is not an objectively reliable narrator.

[fast heron]

Which is pretty true

In my opinion

[stoic hamlet]

Weirdly they’re not used as much as you’d think, at least as far as I’ve seen.

(Thankfully)

[empty bloom]

True, I mostly see Betas.

[stoic hamlet]

John was referring to the IV’s and contesting Halsey’s own comments. But he states as well that pretty well all Spartans are equal in his eyes.

[wispy pewter]

I agree with him, but I also agree with Trench that they should stop with traitor spartan storylines

whoever is doing the background checks and selection proccess should do their job better

[neon remnant]

In which halo books are the forerunners/precursors covered in the lore?

[latent junco]

Cryptum, Primordium, Silentium, and Epitaph I think

[spice crystal]

i want to discuss halo lore with anyone who wants to talk about it.

[hardy swan]

Why is it called United Nations Space Command and not United Earth Space Command

[wispy pewter]

Stolt needs his own book

[neon remnant]

Kewl Ill give them a look

[glacial coral]

I know all that I can. For I own quite the collection of Halo lore.

[verbal pollen]

Bro, when they dropping Spartan Vs?

[carmine sleet]

I don't think we'll be seeing a Spartan V program any time soon

[wispy pewter]

when enough of IV's become traitors

[tender brook]

because they're primarily focused on exploring and defending space, not just earth

[narrow tinsel]

My guess is because they had lots of colonies before the covenant arrived and you know did what the covenant does

[spice crystal]

It's because they have traveled into different colonies, so they are still nations, the next closest name would be United Colonies Space Command. besides, it would take a lot to do the re branding, and they couldn't either way because not all colonies are united. most of the outer colonies are insurrectionist.

sorry for getting back so late.

if you like to adress me, please @ me.

[unique rune]

Because it predates the UEG becoming the primary governing body of human-controlled space and no one ever bothered to update the name

[spice crystal]

rebranding is a hassle

[stoic hamlet]

There’s really no reason to. In truth.

[carmine sleet]

Indeed

[unique rune]

Spartan-V will involve kidnapping infants to be augmented at 12 months with a 99.99999% fatality rate because surely this will produce the greatest soldiers the galaxy has ever seen

according to the people that think Spartan-II was the best thing ever I assume

[sonic lagoon]

They could just take em at birth and make em 30 feet tall.

[obsidian thistle]

I believe unless HS go all in with SIVs dying out (they aren't yet) then it would be more "These SIVs were augmented different" or they'll ditch the number and go "These Spartans were augmented different."

I do believe the future is Spartans are Spartans, they aint a number.

[carmine sleet]

Yeah, honestly could see that happening, not really much point of numbering the program after a certain point

Sure there would be different generations of Spartans after the original IVs all die, but they wouldn't need to give them a number by that point

[sonic lagoon]

If they are a different size, a different number would be necessary. Unless the just classify them differently without numbers if they make different sizes at the same time.

[carmine sleet]

We're not going to be seeing 30ft tall humans in a Halo game, it'd be impractical to have super soldiers that big for missions and be a logistical nightmare for specialised gear for them

[sonic lagoon]

More like special unit, like Goliath’s to assist smaller Spartans. They could use cannons and giant melee weapons.

[carmine sleet]

My dude, that'd still be super impractical for humanity to engineer from humans and be a waste of resources

[sonic lagoon]

Fighting goliaths and other giant enemies would be useful.

[carmine sleet]

Humanity doesn't need to bioengineer a 30ft human to fight those things

[unique rune]

they should make Spartans that can combine with each other like a horrible flesh Voltron

[sonic lagoon]

They could do 100 foot tall Spartans to destroy scarabs.

[spark pivot]

We've done just fine with 7ft spartans

[carmine sleet]

Yeah the difficulties with taking down Scarabs isn't going to be suddenly solved by making literal giants (Which would be a logistical nightmare to even feed, let alone actually field in combat)

[stoic hamlet]

There is a case to be made that II’s and III’s have some aspects on the IV’s (depending on POV) thanks to ||empty throne|| but I can’t imagine we’ll ever see this actually come to the fore in any meaningful way because it’s the anthesis of how Halo is presented to the masses.

Even though, IMO it should be a more prominent aspect of the fiction.

[empty bloom]

Well, that's just a pure strain flood

[unique rune]

this is true

[high elbow]

How would you even deploy Spartans that big? Or would one spartan pop a syringe and transform

[sonic lagoon]

Give them hover engines, like on the Pelicans or spacecraft.

[high elbow]

That might work. Especially if we replace the “Spartan” with heavily armored machinery and weapons! That way we can have a massive weapon of war that gets piloted by specialized troops trained to fight and move in giant suits of armor.

[spice crystal]

No lets be realistic

It would be more of like a power rangers thing. Just a giant mantis powered by a spartan and with a smart ai like cortana

[dusk jetty]

We have that, it’s called the Colossus

[high elbow]

Dang. And here I was hoping no one is gonna notice

[wet prairie]

Looooooooooreeeee.

[dusk jetty]

Cyclops and mantis told me they’d like to be in the umbrella too

[spice crystal]

Yay

[amber solstice]

This is the latest comment in the ongoing lore discussion begun by @spice crystal

[stoic hamlet]

If it’s from General chat, do we really want it shifted to here?

[obsidian thistle]

So the Halopedia thing some of y'all here been pestering me to do will be ready tomorrow lol. XD

Love y'all, you lot deffo keep me busy!

[hardy swan]

So is James the only example of a Spartan exploding his armor

[stoic hamlet]

Grace, in First Strike. Though she was already dead.

[spice crystal]

james 005?

[hardy swan]

James Bond 007

[spice crystal]

no for the armor, james 005 armor didnt explode, he took a needler round to the side and it slightly removed a piece of his armor

[hardy swan]

I think you need to read the book

[spice crystal]

i have

no one activated his nuke that destroys his armor

only his thruster pack "exploded"

read the new book "empty throne" and "Fall of reach" by Eric Nylund for more context

[spice crystal]

i believe page 48 of Fall of Reach

a needler round detonated next to his thruster and his thruster "exploded" sending him into space

sorry for the misinformation the first part, i havent read it in a while.

[hardy swan]

Idk what you're talking bud. He literally kaboomed himself to save Chloe

[spice crystal]

james 005?

[hardy swan]

Yes his AI is called Lola

Missing in Action

[spice crystal]

sorry for not repsonding, im trying to find where your coming form on this.

in fall of reach chloe wasnt in the book

there were two teams, space team, chief, james, an others were in charge of boarding a disabled UNSC ship to purge the nav data per the cole protocol

there was also a ground team, in charge of locating and retrieving doctor halsey

are you talking about Fall of Reach?

[spice crystal]

i cant find an AI named lola in that book

[hardy swan]

You're trolling

[spice crystal]

no im not

ive read 3 different wikis and the book

[spice crystal]

if im wrong please tell me where you know this bc now im genuinely confused

[hardy swan]

Empty Throne

[spice crystal]

oooooooh

[hardy swan]

Is that a spoiler for you

If it is my bad

[spice crystal]

lol i thought you were talking about Fall of Reach

no its not

i watched two summaries, read a wiki, and most of the book

[spice crystal]

you had me panicking to find the right information because i thought you were talking about Eric Nylund's Fall of reach

[hardy swan]

Oh yeah because I thought we were talking about him in general

[spice crystal]

i assumed bc its fairly new that people wouldnt be talking about it much

but yeah, any questions anyone has about halo lore or specifics id be happy to talk about / help with any.

[carmine sleet]

Pretty sure there's a spoiler thread for Empty Throne talk

Which I am avoiding since I'm unable to read it right now

[spice crystal]

yeah thats why i thought it was Fall of Reach

anyways who else loves discussion lore?

[obsidian thistle]

Through very popular demand. The Halo novels by release date. https://www.halopedia.org/List_of_Halo_novels_by_release_date

(I still prefer grouped by series aha, y'all just worn me down)

So yes. This means there is 37 currently released Halo novels/novellas, and 35 released books (36 if you got the 2 volumes of Evolutions)

You can skip the novellas if you go for Fractures also.

[spice crystal]

Anyone who wants to discuss lore/ has questions/ wants to discuss "fanfic" details just @ me

[empty bloom]

Or

Y'know

You can just uh

UH

Chat here.

Y'know.

The dedicated lore channel.

That's also an idea.

[spice crystal]

i meant @ me in this channel

that way i get a notification and can check it out

[glacial coral]

Sooooo....no canon fodder this month, huh?

[spice crystal]

idk?

[carmine sleet]

Didn't they say they were slowing down to one every two months or something?

[glacial coral]

I don't remember that. But I suppose it makes sense.

[stoic hamlet]

Yes. Next one is in March.

[orchid kettle]

Only thing to talk about really would be Empty Throne but that'd obviously be a bit pre-mature.

[carmine sleet]

I imagine they could just talk about the armour from both this month's and next month's operation

And maybe also more info on the Fuel Rod SPNKr's origins in universe

[last anchor]

Venezian testing log.
"Subject 43 missunderstood loading instructions; firing mechanism inserted backwards. Subject reduced to component molecules, bar lower torso and feet. Revising external design to include instructions on proper loading procedure (see baseline M41 example)
"Admendum: Corporate noted that self-ionazation is not one of the processes that Vulpine Arms covers. External modification reverted."

[spark pivot]

Self-ionization is not one of the processes that we cover is wild lol

[last anchor]

"Vulpine Arms is not liable to cover misuse of our products. Insurance and refunds only applicable to in field use and are only eligible if full legal proof is provided"

(Venezian lawyers are the only thing nastier than Jannisaries)

[spark pivot]

that's true until I wack em with their gun after it blows up in my face

also how does the trigger being inserted backwards screw the gun up that much 😭

[last anchor]

Not the trigger, the firing tube's

You know how you load the M41 by putting an entire rotating ammunition cassette in? They put it in with the firing barrels facing backwards

[spice crystal]

can i get a refund? it blew the entire right side of my torso off.

inserting an image would be possible if i could press both buttons to do so.

[high elbow]

Depends. Was usage of weapon in question within manufacturers guidelines? Or did you get creative

[spice crystal]

yes

[sonic lagoon]

Did Spartan team omega have color insignias like red team?

[hardy swan]

No. And your insurance claim is denied

[spice crystal]

dang it. welp, idk what i supposed todo with life

i found a way to fix it, its called flood induction, they give me the immunity shot from avery johnsons blood and i get infected by a flood infection form. but because of the serum i gain the strength, speed, regen and all that stuff fom the flood, therefore my body is fixed. and my insurance covers it all!

[sonic lagoon]

How many grunts do single elites lead?

[sonic lagoon]

Also what vehicles did Insurrectionists use?

[sonic lagoon]

Also who is the Spartan on the cover of ghosts of onyx with mark 6 armor?

[stoic hamlet]

Technically it could be any of Blue Team - Fred, Linda or Will. But now it’s basically only able to be Will.

[dusk jetty]

Will is dead though

If im not mistaken

Like, confirmed KIA dead

[surreal bay]

Will is killed at the end of the book shortly before the survivors on Onyx flee to the shield world

So it would make sense for him to be on the cover

[spice crystal]

depeds on the fireteam.

[spice crystal]

unsc vehicles

also modded plasma rifles

[sonic lagoon]

Which ones?

[spice crystal]

depends, they could get any by intercepting unsc transports

mongoose, warthog, razorback, wasp, pelican, scorpion, hornets,

[spice crystal]

it all depends on how well the transports are protected

[stoic hamlet]

A lot of Insurrectionists are also just rogue CMA units.

So anything they have when they defect or secede.

Honestly most Insurgent forces we’ve seen have been proper military, not like your modern day insurgent or Star Wars Rebel.

Only in… I think Dirt, Contact Harvest and a few instances in Last Light (which also had proper military units) have we seen Insurgents as anything other than professional military outfits.

[obsidian thistle]

The Will theory! My baby

I love how those theories are the ones fans keep going back to. My impact is forever held till HS nuke or confirm em

[stoic hamlet]

I mean I know originally I assumed it was supposed to be Fred, but if HS just keeps the GEN2 stuff, it kinda has to be Will, by proxy.

Even if I don't like it.

[obsidian thistle]

Blame H2A and how Mythos kept it

Two points that mean it cant be Fred

[stoic hamlet]

I do, lol. Trust me, I do.

[hardy swan]

Toyota pickups

[spice crystal]

i got a question, what do you think wouldve happend if a rogue sangheli got access and control of the domain based on what we know about the UNSC and the sangheli?

[hardy swan]

Humanity can't catch a break. If you read the book you know the domain is where Cortana gets control of the guardians

You know I don't understand UNSC technological advancements. They know that the Sarissa class Mac can literally one shot covenant capital ships and even penetrate forerunner alloy. And yet it's not already on every class ship the UNSC has.

[spice crystal]

its big and a lot to have though

[sonic lagoon]

Chadians used em, they good.

[spice crystal]

dude, that was three hours ago.

[empty bloom]

Do you know why we don't give every tank a gun the size of the Schwerer Gustav?

[latent junco]

Prolly because it's expensive af

[wispy pewter]

Apparently only the Infinity and victory has it post 2557

[steady wedge]

I really want a halo mercenary spin off game

Its a thing I've been thinking for a while

[stoic hamlet]

Weirdly, Valiant-Class warships are said to be the only ones able to use it, which seems suspect.

Vindication-Class should definitely be able to be equipped with them, and while the Punic technically should as well, it already possesses a twin-linked SMAC battery, so it doesn’t really need one.

[wispy pewter]

Ah yes Punics are really cool and they should have them.

[hardy swan]

Two got destroyed on the latest book lol

[carmine sleet]

Isn't there a thread for spoilers on the new book? I'd rather not learn even small details like this while checking this while I still haven't got access to it

[hardy swan]

My bad 😬

[obsidian thistle]

#1341462109581606922

Please use this chat Lore peeps if you want to discuss Empty Throne

It hasn't been a month yet

Though I may keep it active a week longer to account for regions who got it a week later

[stone moss]

the halo series should end with master chief sacrificing himself for humanity, where he can take off his helmet before his death, and finally reveal his face to the audience. also the final antagonists in the game can be atroix, the flood, and some forerunner ai that believes itself as like a godlike entity bringing salvation by lighting the rings

[carmine sleet]

I don't need Chief's face to be revealed, nor sure that be seen as what the series ends on

And I don't need to see the Flood again. We've already had enough games focused on fighting the Flood

[stoic hamlet]

We already know what John looks like, anyways.

[strange pumice]

Basically, Master Chief it's you
Flood are sealed on The Ark
And Chief's sacrifice isn't the best way to end his story

Like, he just found Weapon and pilot, and you said that he should sacrifice himself
And the new main antagonist is still Atriox(Also banished) and Endless

[civic forge]

Chief shouldnt be sacrificed. He should be reunited with his family.

Chief shouldn't have his face revealed because being faceless makes him relatable to people of different races

[strange pumice]

And what I said
Chief it basically you

[latent junco]

Have none of you seen the H4 Legendary ending

[civic forge]

That was a kick in the teeth

[strange pumice]

Yes I have
He has pretty nice blue eyes

[civic forge]

I thought they were black

Lol

[strange pumice]

No, they blue

Just covered in shadow

[carmine sleet]

I have, but I just couldn't care less about seeing his full face. It's not a big deal to me if we do or don't

It's like that spider guy in NYC, I do not care who's under the mask, they just seem to be doing a good job protecting people

[marble lion]

Chief's story is very far from over. He most likely to used for another decade (if Halo Studios decides to). And the Flood are sealed on other Halo installations and possible on other Forerunner worlds and contain on the Ark. I don't see the Flood returning for quite some time (several years).

[carmine sleet]

There's nobody in the galaxy currently that'd be dumb enough to release the Flood (Or let those who would be anywhere near any known site where the Flood is contained) and bringing the Flood back would just be retreading ground we've already gone over in Halo 2, 3 and HW2

[stoic hamlet]

“There’s a difference between being the best, and the best known”, as John says in Shadows of Reach.

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/exactly-gif-3397598315635453816

[civic forge]

Don't read if you havent read Halo: Primordium. What happens to Mara the ape by the end of the book?

[covert tide]

(Probably Dumb) Question here:
when the Ancient Humans began to ask the Primordial questions, they asked the primordial about the flood, The primordial (AKA the last precursor and first gravemind) gave an answer so horrifying many of those who questioned the precursors, well i can't say here but you likely know what I mean.

My question is what exactly did the primordial say that horrified the humans to this degree???
To my knowledge and understanding, this sort of question is never answered or any hint of an answer again. Any Theories??

[bronze prawn]

there are plenty of reddits post about it

Installation 00 has a video about it

Every theory gets more stupid or more reasonable than the last you hear about it

knock youself out

[covert tide]

Any good links you can provide for a starting point?

[bronze prawn]

"what did the primordial tell the humans" put that in google and about 5 reddit posts would appear

[covert tide]

OK,
Also the Primordial once told the Ur-Didact (the one we met/defeated in Halo 4) that once the humans succeed the forerunners, there would be one final ultimate test for them to prove their worthiness of upholding the Mantle of Responsibility
Any idea what it could be?
Could it be the Xalanyn or flood or something worse than both combined??

[stoic hamlet]

The one I subscribe to is “The flood is god”

Which is basically canon anyways.

[carmine sleet]

I'm doubting the Endless are some "final test" for humanity

I'm honestly hoping they are just their own thing

[bronze prawn]

HydenXperia mentions that every 4 months or so

[covert tide]

You know the YT link?
Cause this sort of thing could be the plot for Halo 7, with the Endless being the true main antagonist after the human covenant war. Despite this being just a potential idea.

[carmine sleet]

HiddenXperia... I'm assuming he still tries to link everything to the Flood?

[stoic hamlet]

He does.

[bronze prawn]

that his thing

[stoic hamlet]

It’s kind of his thing, yeah.

For better or worse.

[covert tide]

Pretty sure he speculates that the flood returns whenever theres a flood easter egg

[bronze prawn]

I guess like a decade without the flood in a game has droven him mad about them

now everything everytime everyone is somehow related to the flood

[covert tide]

Halo Studios could have have the endless be connected to the flood OR EVEN the precursor to an extent. Think it would be interesting to see the precursors return to destroy their creations as revenge against the forerunners

[marble lion]

He always tries to link the Flood in any capacity either directly or indirectly in any shape or form.

[covert tide]

Wouldn't be too surprised
Especially when he can't stop Overpraising halo 2 for even 1 second, just like how Teen titans go cannot do the same with toilet humor. But I don't want to digress.

but another thing: If the Xalanyn are immune to the halo array, Are they worse than the flood because they can just freely use the things whenever they want to or is it something else??

[stoic hamlet]

See my comment from a month ago that explains it here:

#lore-and-universe message

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-dameron-heavy-sigh-star-wars-sigh-sighing-gif-26030273

[carmine sleet]

Well there's nothing saying the Xalanyn are related to the Flood, which I think is good

At most we have Harbinger echoing words the Gravemind says, but that could mean anything

[covert tide]

Exactley it could be anything

[spice crystal]

nope, they most likely told the humans the potential of the flood, its evolution, and the reality of what the galaxy would become if the flood prevailed.

[dusk jetty]

Cortana also quotes the gravemind

And the Didact

[spice crystal]

true

he would eb the wisest being in the galaxy