lore-and-universe

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah, III’s being cannonfodder would be more like, sending them into a failing UNSC defense that’s already lost just to buy time.

But they only ever were deployed aggressively, on high risk raids.

They’re commandos. By their very nature they kind of can’t be cannon fodder.

Deep Winter posing as Kurt, not Kurt himself.

[orchid kettle]

Still, fans have become weirdly touchy about "suicide mission" and "Spartan-III" being in the same sentence, and I feel like that attitude needs some re-evaluation

[prime rune]

too be fair cortana was literally 1 of a kind

i doubt the unsc could make another cortana in a short time span

[strange pumice]

Meanwhile, the new Chief's AI, "Weapon" : I am a joke for you?

I'm pretty sure that she will have the same life time span as Cortana

[carmine sleet]

In the sense of she was made using living tissue, specifically a cloned Halsey, at the time of her creation, sure. But as we see in Infinite, Weapon was made via the same method thanks to Blue Team retrieving the other flash cloned Halsey brains during Shadows of Reach

[carmine sleet]

Gotta agree there. Like, the missions were definitely high risk, but they weren't intended to be suicide missions

[orchid kettle]

Well "suicide mission" itself isn't really a defined military term to begin with

[carmine sleet]

My non-military self did not know that

[stoic hamlet]

It’s a bit of a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t”.

Because saying the missions were “suicidal” is technically true when just speaking quickly.

But it’s not really true when actually looking at things.

But a lot of people (case in point with this discussion) just take the short form answer and roll with it, and it causes a ton of broken telephone, in a sense.

[orchid kettle]

I remember trying to find some hard figure for what constitutes a suicide mission, and it basically just came down to "vibes"

[carmine sleet]

Basically stuff like "20 small space fighters vs the large planet killing space station with a full fleet"

[stoic hamlet]

III’s are fatalistic, but not suicidal.

Like the Death Korps of Krieg,

Honestly the two groups are rather similar in how the fandom approaches them, it’s kind of neat that it’s basically the same memes that take on a life of their own, and end up negatively impacting the entire group as a whole.

That’s I think why a lot of people jump in, I know that’s why I do, because it perpetuates an incorrect reading of the text and stereotypes that just aren’t true in practice.

[orchid kettle]

Well I'd imagine its a similar thing with like, "Hey did you know the average life expectancy of an Imperial Guardsman is however many minutes or hours"

[stoic hamlet]

More or less.

[orchid kettle]

but then there're characters who are obviously like multi-decade veterans

and thus did not literally die within fifteen hours

[high elbow]

Or like the Helldivers of Super Earth. Yeah the odds are really grim and we expect death, but if you come back that’s super cool too!

[stoic hamlet]

ehhhhhh

It depends with them. Because there’s actual satire there.

[high elbow]

This is very true

[carmine sleet]

Isn't there a whole implied cloning thing going on with the Helldivers?

[orchid kettle]

Nah that was a fan theory that got shot down

AH wanted us to know that every life is a fresh faced recruit with a ma and pa they will never see again

[carmine sleet]

Ah fair

[stoic hamlet]

That thing is also a weird case of a meme going way beyond its scope.

Because 15 hours was just for a single Warzone on a single planet, but then for whatever reason it was then made canon at large.

But the book it originally comes from is very clear that it’s an average, and most people in said Warzone die super early, which drops the average down. But if you live past the initial drop your odds of survival go way up.

[orchid kettle]

I really liked Fifteen Hours when I read it, but Im starting to realize that its got a somewhat different tone than the other Astra Militarum books I've been dipping my toes into

[stoic hamlet]

With the Helldivers, there are so many “tiers” that a lot of new recruits die, but the vets are long lived, and groups like FGW Rangers who are on another level entirely.

[high elbow]

Geez. Now I almost feel bad for dropping Eagle Stratagems onto my teammates

[orchid kettle]

like, in Fifteen Hours, the MC is only there because of a clerical error, and there's a couple more muck ups on the Empire's side before the kid dies without ever really accomplishing anything particularly grand or heroic

which paints a very different picture imo than like, Cadia Stands

[stoic hamlet]

It’s similar to Dead Men Walking, in that sense.

Or small elements of Gaunt’s Ghosts, like the last stand of Nineteenth Platoon.

[sonic lagoon]

Didn’t the guy who flew that U2 plane over Soviet Union get told to kill himself if he was caught by the Soviets but didn’t? An interesting example of people not being incentivized to follow orders.

[wispy pewter]

Didn't 300 SIIIs die in one single battle

[carmine sleet]

That doesn't mean the mission was intended to be a suicidal one

[high elbow]

I think the Covenant were alerted to the UNSC forces way earlier than expected which is why it lost basically everyone

[prime rune]

chakas lore is so sad

gah damn

[unique rune]

The first time it happened, they were fighting for nearly a week straight without additional support before Covenant reinforcements showed up and wiped them out. The second time it involved a lot of getting bombed before seven Covenant cruisers appeared and overwhelmed them.

[stoic hamlet]

For anyone curious, I have posts going over both PROMETHEUS and TORPEDO:

https://old.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/11zx8jx/operation_prometheus_or_why_alpha_fell/

https://old.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/1f7hws2/operation_torpedo_or_why_beta_fell/

And a (likely) timeline for Gamma Company:

https://old.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/1dz3o8k/gamma_company_a_timeline_of_events/

[orchid kettle]

I always thought it was pretty clear that Kurt was just beating himself up about what happened to Alpha because that's what a father does, believe that there was always something more he could have done to better prepare his children

And not like, an actual failing of his part

[carmine sleet]

New Canon Fodder!! https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/canon-fodder-dawn-of-lore

Really hoping the new novel announced is post Infinite's campaign

[stoic hamlet]

I’ve got a good feeling it’s wither right after H4, or yeah, post infinite.

I cannot imagine people would like it to be post Infinite though, lol

And I think Kelly Gay could do a good job with an immediate post H4 story.

[carmine sleet]

I feel like there isn't much really to explore with Chief's character post Halo 4's events that hasn't already been done (Regardless of how well it was done), and we've been waiting to see what happens next for ages with Infinite

[stoic hamlet]

Though I’d love war era stuff.

The other Spartans aside from Blue Team are so underutilizes, I wanna go back to the days when “Blue Team” wasn’t a set in stone, static thing.

[carmine sleet]

Like, I don't want the novel to be dealing with anything too big, mainly just show us Chief reuiniting with other UNSC forces and see how they react to everything Chief did

[high elbow]

That could be super interesting, especially if they showed us the perspective from everyone except big green himself. Though this would be better in short form media like a Waypoint article or collection is stories I now realize

[strange pumice]

Is the Janus Key from Halo 4 is still a thing, or it is are completely forgotten?

[carmine sleet]

Disappeared during the final arc of Halo Escalation

[last anchor]

Kreigers understand the power of the shovel
S-IIIs understand the power of the shovel.

Together, many skulls are caved in

[last anchor]

I mean, its "A Master Chief Story" and its titled "Edge of Dawn" so I would ASSUME its probably pushing his story forward somewhat
She did do most of the backfill work with the Rion Forge stuff too.

[last anchor]

Most of the post Halo 4 stuff is her work anyway isnt it?

Most of the books that happen post 4 but pre-5 were all written by her (and its almost all the Forge trilogy's later parts, mostly)

[orchid kettle]

Edge of Dawn sounds Halo 4 related if anything to me

Like, maybe immediately following Cortana's death, when Chief begins throwing himself into mission after mission with Blue Team like we see in their Halo 5 intro

[carmine sleet]

We kinda already have that from Escalation

[orchid kettle]

I dunno how you could really make a book out of that though, since it feels like the idea in Halo 5 is that he obviously hasn't really made much progress on the whole "getting over it" front

[carmine sleet]

Like yeah 72 Hours isn't the best but it is Chief immediately after Cortana's death

[orchid kettle]

and Kelly Gay is usually a lot more focused on a character's emotional journey than pure plot

[orchid kettle]

how could you remind me that 72 hours exists

i wouldn't do that to my worst enemy

[carmine sleet]

Because I am cursed with remembering it

[orchid kettle]

I still think it's real funny how even when Epitaph was coming out, somebody at 343 admitted that you could just pretend that the Didact fell into the Domain as a result of Halo 4's ending and it wouldn't really change anything

[empty bloom]

I've been saying that for years tbh. But for me it was on the utter gooberness of N72H.

[prime rune]

imagine if halo forward until dawn had the same budget as the halo tv show

[orchid kettle]

If anything itd probably make more sense considering how Cortana also ends up accessing the Domain ultimately as a result of being on the Didact's ship

You don't even need to say "uh actually, you didn't see this bit, but at the last second a piece of the ship made an emergency jump to Genesis"

Cortana could have just transmitted herself or one of her duplicates through the portal

[prime rune]

I hate the endless

[carmine sleet]

You've met one of their species, that's hardly enough to judge the entirety of them

[prime rune]

If the forerunners gave a flying crap about making sure the flood never infects the galaxy again, they would’ve killed the precursors

[stoic hamlet]

Arguably it’s very human though, lol

[empty bloom]

I feel like most sentient species that exist would have that mindset of pre-judgement based off initial interaction. It's largely what kept our ancestors alive.

[carmine sleet]

I guess that's what makes me different, I try not to judge a species by the actions of one

[carmine sleet]

Uh... They kinda did do that. It's why the Flood is a problem in the first place. If the Forerunners didn't go on their whole genocide against the Precursors, there wouldn't be any Precursor space dust infecting ancient human pets, leading to the Forerunner Flood war

[prime rune]

ummm

the forerunners literally said the endless had the potential to be ‘worse than the flood’

[carmine sleet]

The Forerunners are known for being biased and exaggerating

[prime rune]

not in this case it’s just common sense

[carmine sleet]

And until we learn more about the Endless, we have to acknowledge that we do know next to nothing about them

[prime rune]

if the forerunners fighting the flood for 1000+ years

and a advanced species that is presumably ‘worse than the flood’

[carmine sleet]

Like, we know they survived Halo's fire, but we do not know how

[prime rune]

does it make sense for the forerunners to keep them around

at all

?

[carmine sleet]

Wait? Are you under the assumption that the Endless and Precursors are the same?

[prime rune]

no they aren’t

[carmine sleet]

Ok good, you're not assuming they're the same

[unique rune]

why is it that every time this comes up it's always read as "they're physically more dangerous" and not "the Forerunners are scared of them because they could be witnesses to the Forerunners' crimes against everything and aren't easily deletable"

[prime rune]

the grand edict literally tells us ‘the endless have the potential to be worse than the flood’

[unique rune]

Today we do what it takes to maintain order. To preserve our truth.
The campaign dialogue isn't even subtle about it lmao

It pretty bluntly just implies "they know too much and can harm our legacy"

[empty bloom]

Was gonna say, there's plenty of reasons they could be worse.

[prime rune]

too be fair the precursors weren’t sunshine and rainbows

[empty bloom]

I've been under the assumption that they're examples of the permanence of the precursors

And I've also been assuming that Precursors are actually more like... Nanites or a virus or bacteria, but a sentient species. In that they were effectively always the flood, they just used to be benevolent.

Owing to the human in Outcasts getting 'infected' in a sense when she was cured by the Precursor tech.

[high elbow]

It’s very possible the Endless are “worse” than the Forerunners, but it’s also a “History is written by the victors” thing I assume.

[carmine sleet]

One day people will understand that being physically dangerous isn't the only way to be dangerous

[prime rune]

being able to survive the rings is crazy

[empty bloom]

Maybe once they start teaching critical thinking in American schools again.

[prime rune]

and threatens the forerunners plans

[empty bloom]

Hahaha. Like that'll ever happen.

[prime rune]

but yet again we don’t know if the flood was meant to devolve into the way it is now

precursors always had an illusive hierarchy

they literally do whatever they want

I guess it’s safe to say that most precursors subscribed to the belief of the ‘living universe’ and took the rebellion as ‘this is natural!’

[last anchor]

And the bit at the end where the Netherop local is talking to the voice that sounds like the Gravemind almost
The Precursors being single cellular and modular does make sense honestly

[stoic hamlet]

Because media literacy doesn’t exist anymore.

[orchid kettle]

The Endless are worse than the Flood because you don't even get a cool tentacle arm to go with all the brainwashing

[sonic lagoon]

What is the lowest caliber bullet that can penetrate mark 4 MJOLNIR armor?

[thorn spindle]

Depends on plot armor

[sonic lagoon]

Lowest caliber ever shown.

[last anchor]

7.62x51mm AP

It didn't go all the way through tho it merely buried itself in the undersuit

[wispy pewter]

Bro almost got one tapped by M61

[sonic lagoon]

Is the 5x23 for the SMG smaller or bigger than those?

[last anchor]

Far far smaller
Your not getting through MJLONIR with an SMG. FORGET IT
Your scratching thr paint at best

[wispy pewter]

maybe they should make bullets with Halo titanium

[unique rune]

Titanium is used because it's lightweight relative to its strength

When you're making weapons whose ability to cause damage is reliant on their kinetic energy (read: mass and velocity), that isn't exactly a selling point

[last anchor]

Tungsten is far superior

[sonic lagoon]

In campaign do any enemies damage it with SMGs, like the flood? I know the Arbitor’s armor can be damage by it in campaign.

[spark pivot]

No, the smg doesnt even scratch arbys paint lol, it just breaks his shields iirc

[spark pivot]

With enough shots it would work, but that would be atleast a full mag aimed at the techsuit, and with no shields

[carmine sleet]

I think they're going off of gameplay and not the cutscenes

[spark pivot]

Ik, but they mentioned the time arby was shot, so thats why I said that

[carmine sleet]

They mentioned being shot by any enemy though

[spark pivot]

I know. I was replying specifically to the end of their message.

[stoic hamlet]

Nah even the techsuit should rank a full magazine. Unless it’s literally laser accurate and hits the exact same point with every shot. But even then I don’t think it’d pen.

[spark pivot]

Thats not how body armor works...

Or materials in general anyways

[last anchor]

That'd require the Spartan to stand still anyway and that ain't happening

Also in Fall of Reach Chief in his new MK IV bounces multiple live rounds on the training course on Chi Ceti IV

[stoic hamlet]

If it’s SMG ammo, it just doesn’t have the composition to penetrate, so it would be more akin to “breaking the suit over time”.

But that’s not exactly penetrating, on a technicality.

[stoic hamlet]

We know a single round of DU 12.7mm can penetrate, from *Silent Storm.

You’ve also got 7.62 MUTA.

But both of those are specialty ammunition.

[last anchor]

Right
He wanted the smallest mentioned
Thats the 7.62 MUTA

[stoic hamlet]

Mhm.

[empty bloom]

Given that the techsuit is apparently made of titanium nanocomposite while the outer shell is titanium alloy of an unknown variety, it checks out that it'd be hard to pen with anything resembling normal weapons fire-if it's anything like UNSC's starship titanium, it's gonna shrug off most conventional ballistic payloads.

The piezoelectric musculature of the armor likely would also serve, incidentially, as additional armor-anything to add distance between you and the rounds, after all.

Waitwaitwait. Hellbringers are considered to be wearing powered combat exoskeletons now?

[tropic forge]

Yeah, based off a single line of ambient dialogue in HW2

[empty bloom]

That's certainly... A stretch.

[sonic lagoon]

Oh ok so cutscenes supersede gameplay?

[spark pivot]

Maybe ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spark pivot]

Locke and the group in halo nightfall do, idk sbout the rest of them

[hardy swan]

Cutscenes are not entirely 100% canon either way

[high elbow]

Maybe it’s like SPI? Only kinda powered for a specific purpose, like cooling and respiration shenanigans.

[spark pivot]

Go watch Halo Nightfall, Locke and his crew use the armor briefly when they land on alpha shard

[high elbow]

I thought that was specifically Nightfall armor set.

[spark pivot]

idk, thats the only ODST shaped power armor that I know that isnt mjolnir ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tired peak]

Linky:https://youtu.be/aPVXkRlSOaw?si=jVD0t63BSSYEiGpW

For halo Nightfall

[high elbow]

I already have it on my Xbox lol, but yeah. It’s the Nightfall set shown, not the Hellbringer equipment.

[orchid kettle]

"Powered" in this context is usually used to mean like, assisting the user's movements through mechanical means

Like how you have powered steering in a car

I honestly don't know what about SPI makes it semi-powered power considering a breakdown of the suit tells us that each limb is being assisted, so I tend to think Nylund just really wanted the acronym to sound like "Spy" when pronounced

[stoic hamlet]

This is likely also why Mirage IIC is called, well, Mirage IIC.

II = two/to

hence IIC = “to see”

[vestal furnace]

it lacks the energy shielding system

[neon remnant]

To anyone who has read the halo books, which ones can you recommend and why? I've only played through all of the campaigns in the MCC collection so while I know some halo lore I would love to know more of the stories it had to tell.

[vestal furnace]

Usually a “Power Armor” is something that enhances mobility of a user. But considering this is the Halo universe. A “Semi-powered” suit would be just a weaker version of the already mjolnir suit

The suit can be worn by anyone as well so already its a much weaker design

[stoic hamlet]

If we want to be pedantic, MJOLNIR didn’t really get energy shields until 2551 on a large scale, and SPI (in the form of Mirage) had variants around at least before 2553, which would have had shields in 2552. Further, SPI suits were testing energy shields in the mid 2540’s as well.

So the difference is really only around a single year, if that.

[vestal furnace]

imo the difference is how unique Mjolnir is vs SPI

Mjolnir had to be special and unique for the Spartan

Spi is worn by anyone, its cheap and used for stealth

[hardy swan]

Kilo 5

[stoic hamlet]

It still fits the description of a powered exoskeleton though.

The “semi” in Semi-Powered could refer to its use of batteries, though, rather than a fission of fusion reactor.

Really though, MJOLNIR seems to have shifted more to a type of exoskeleton, essentially the catch all for powered armour worn by Spartans.

Like how “Kleenex” is just a brand of tissue, but people use it as a descriptor.

For example OSTEO and MIRAGE explicitly aren’t MJOLNIR, yet they’re used in the same parlance and MJOLNIR’s been applied to them as a descriptor.

[stoic hamlet]

Generally I’d recommend the original books by Eric Nylund, so The Fall of Reach, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx, to get a large breadth of lore about the overall universe.

[vestal furnace]

another in-universe language imo we cant necessarily apply with real world logic to describe something ig

Cause i bet Bungie’s original intentions was just “it has no shields so it’s a semi” and didnt think much of it

[wispy pewter]

it's powered on 50%

[stoic hamlet]

Bungie had no real say in the III’s under Nylund, they seem to be his beast alone.

Under Bungie, MJOLNIR didn’t have shields until August 2552, but SPI even in Ghosts of Onyx we know was being tested in the 2520’s, or thereabouts. So the shield aspect wouldn’t have factored in to the name because MJOLNIR wouldn’t have gotten shields for another two decades.

[vestal furnace]

like Jean says ig, it runs on 50%

[stoic hamlet]

But yeah, it’s likely hard to pin down what was originally intended.

I’d guess it was more about the pun than anything else.

[neon remnant]

Cool Ill definitely give em a read. Cheers my man!

[stoic hamlet]

Happy to help.

[vestal furnace]

i honestly wonder if the sidekick calibre was a total mistake

there’s 0 way it is 10mm and its the size of a spartan’s hand

That thing is a civilian sidearm

it makes total sense the Magnum was 12 rounds of .50 when its THAT size

[empty bloom]

There's few, if any, firearms in Halo that volumetrically can carry the amount of ammo they are allegedly in the caliber of.

[vestal furnace]

im not surprised since weapons like the AR carry a 36 round yet look the way they do

I just think 10mm is a bit outrageously a mistake

Cause even the Halo 2 magnum was a civilian weapon and that thing fires desert eagle rounds

[carmine sleet]

Was it said to be a civilian model?

[stoic hamlet]

The M6C is a military model.

Though like with modern firearms, you could probably find some version of it on the civilian market.

Like we see with the M392 Bandit.

[vestal furnace]

In halo 2 it also was sized pretty well

your pinky didn’t fit holding it

[empty bloom]

What's amusing to me is that the sniper is actually one of the few Halo guns that carries less ammo than it should.

The mags can volumetrically hold around the same round count as the S7 Flexfire, about 10 rounds.

I guess the UNSC has a big thing for both hammerspace magazines as well as California round restrictions.

[carmine sleet]

This is why I just don't pay too much attention to the rounds each weapon fires

[woeful vortex]

hey im thinking about getting into halo lore by buying books. im curious as to how much do the games matter. so does the game add many things to the plot or follow the books. cus i dont wanna get started with the books and then later on realize that im missing crucial information bc i haent really payed attention to the role of the game(bc i have played the games but it was a while ago and dont know if i could finish the games again)

[patent patio]

No

The books and games have like their own stories that don't really get in the way of the other

[carmine sleet]

At most you'll get some things like how we learn more about what some characters were doing during the events of some games (Like with the Didact post Halo 4 in Epitaph or the other members of Blue during Halo 2) or where some things came from (Like with the brain used for Weapon's creation from Halo Infinite) but the games are not required to enjoy the novels

[woeful vortex]

oh kk thats great then

(tho i hate the fact that i ownt be able to buy the books in my countryes language cus Master chief was translated to simply Boss. i mean yes they are mostly synonymphs but still, i wanna read a story abt master chief so gonna get the english books)

[wispy pewter]

Who is James 005

[tropic forge]

James Bond homage, I would assume.

[wispy pewter]

Oh he's the guy on the cover of Empty Throne

[daring cloud]

So how much of the UNSC is left in Halo Infinite?

[empty bloom]

As many as plot demands.

[carmine sleet]

James Bond is 007, not 005

[tropic forge]

I am aware.

[carmine sleet]

While Halo has got references to the Bond franchise, it ain't that Spartan where those references are

Trevelyan is the last name Kurt was given after he was recruited to train S-IIIs. Which when combined with Onyx's designation, 006, is a reference to Goldeneye

[stoic hamlet]

Ambrose was his surname to recruit the III’s. Trevelyan is his actual surname.

[hardy swan]

After the Infinity being destroyed not much really....

But somehow they can still get stealth ships to pass by Cortana everytime

Just build every ship with stealth from now on

Like a Romulan bird of prey

[wispy pewter]

UNSC prowlers literally looks so cool they remind me of those modern navy ships

[carmine sleet]

My bad, got 'em mixed up due to being super sleepy

[turbid willow]

You mostly have to understand the games and then from there you got most of it done. The books are Totally separate from the games because the developers of the games and the book writers are both different people. So each side has its ups and downs.
Like I said for now replay the games and then from there you can read the books as all the books are more supplementary/not necessary. Hope you enjoy !

[obsidian thistle]

So here is something that just re-released that I think is relevant for here! 🙂

Written by Frank O’Connor and adapted by Juan "ONE" Richard Feliz, the ‘Midnight in the Heart of Midlothian’ motion comic has been re-released on Youtube!

Check it out below: https://youtu.be/RlIS-8MRk0M

[zinc harbor]

What is canonically the appearance of a slipspace rupture? Is it the flatter swirling clouds we see in H2A or more of the spherical black hole with a blue energy swirling around it?

[high elbow]

I always assumed it was the black hole with energy when it came to human designed slip space engines. The clouds I could see be a result of the covenant’s more advanced slip space tech

[orchid kettle]

I think I always liked it when an entry rupture was just this big orb that swallowed the ship whole, but on exit, the ship just appeared out of a pinpoint of light

[stoic hamlet]

I liked the depiction in the Forever We Fight trailer, made it seem kinda eldritch.

[teal forum]

https://youtu.be/xJVCXaPq_ME?si=Feov8-WNsJ4bBk2F

[prime rune]

the forerunners are idiots

having flood samples in your own halos/shield worlds

with literally little to no security

[timber cipher]

Actually, the flood was contained by the Guilty Spark, and sentinels. But due to the humans, and the covenant research facility, it caused the flood to escape.

[unique rune]

Shield Worlds didn’t contain Flood samples. That would have been counterproductive to their intended function.

Other Flood storage sites had numerous security measures in place but one of the other big things was that installations like the Halos were intended to be nearly impossible to find so no one could break in and let them out.

[dusk jetty]

(Trove)

[obsidian thistle]

Trove actually was a Forerunner War thing

[obsidian thistle]

The Flood arrived at the Shield World and they locked it before anything could get inside

Years later the Covenant found it and over a few years... they let the Flood presence grow from inert to a Proto-Gravemind.

[unique rune]

Yeah, I didn't mention Trove because the Flood wasn't intentionally stored at the installation, it was just being a problem on its outer surface.

[carmine sleet]

The Halos do have security measures, the Sentinels for example, are one of many measures. The only reason they got out on 04 was due to the UNSC and Covenant sticking their noses in every facility they could and on 05 we just know the security measures there were compromised, likely by an unknown alien species getting nosy

The idea that a Halo had no security measures to prevent an outbreak is just wrong

[glass walrus]

One thing i really want to see in the halo franchise is the installation 06 as well as the other installations we didnt see yet

[orchid kettle]

I still kinda like this theory that suggests, back when we didn't know anything about the Forerunners, that they were just so peaceful and reluctant to take life that they couldn't even bring themselves to fully exterminate the Flood

[obsidian thistle]

I do like the narrative of the Covenant finding the Shield World and how its expanded by unique map dressing....

I may do a video on that...

[glass walrus]

There are still many many shield worlds to discover

Along with other forerunner facility

[prime rune]

in halo 1 the door was lousy

and the covenant broke in and released the flood

youd think you invest a little bit more into that goddamn door

i mean, at the very LEAST it shouldve been only able to be unlocked by a reclaimer

[unique rune]

I mean
it's a mechanical door built on technology that the Covenant have thousands of years of experience of making work for them without the natural intuition that humans supposedly have for figuring it out

Even if they couldn't get the lock to budge they probably would've just dropped a Scarab on it and started blasting

[reef orbit]

What are we talking about

[empty bloom]

Doors

[hardy swan]

And then in the show they had the flood in some drive lmao

[stoic hamlet]

I’ve always preferred windows, myself~

[neon remnant]

Other than halo wars 2 is there anything else I need to know what's going on between the span of time of halo 5 and infinite?

[wispy pewter]

Cortana is dead and the didact met his wife

[empty bloom]

Shadows of Reach, Rubicon Protocol, Outcasts, and the new book I forgot the name of.

Empty Throne.

Sigh Apparently they're making another Master Chief book too. Can't wait for that to have more "This is more effective than a Havok nuke but isn't nuclear" type things.

[carmine sleet]

Kelly Gay is writing it if that helps

[empty bloom]

That's better at least.

[hardy swan]

Why isn't it the same guy who wrote the last 3 MC books

Are these authors working for Halo or what

[stoic hamlet]

Why didn’t Nylund write Glasslands?

Authors for franchises are contracted to write books, it doesn’t mean they’ll write the same things.

[hardy swan]

Fair enough

[obsidian thistle]

I adore Kelly and Troy. But I would love other authors more often! 🙂

[hardy swan]

Dayum he wrote Star Wars books

[wispy pewter]

im so bored whats the date of release for empty throne

Feb 18 😭

[neon remnant]

Daaamn come on 343 what happened to having most of the lore in game...

[empty bloom]

Halo's always been a multimedia franchise. Most of the lore has never been in the games even in Bungie's day.

Halo isn't Mass Effect.

[neon remnant]

I mean it didn't take extra material to make sense of what was going on in the story which is what seemed to happen after halo 4. Even if you only played the games from halo 1-3 you knew what was going on more or less.

[obsidian thistle]

I'll say this

You really dont need to read the books to enjoy the games.

[ornate solstice]

Be a rebel, only buy the books and never play the games

[hardy swan]

Me

Jk I own all the 343 games

Halo 5 excluded because they hate PC players

[obsidian thistle]

Be me. Own most Halo media. Edit the wiki. Become Wiki Admin. Get over 17k edits on the wiki.

[strange pumice]

That's a lot

[obsidian thistle]

To those skeptical lol

My goal is 100k eventually. XD

[strange pumice]

I guess you need to sell your life to demons to reach this count💀

[glacial coral]

I have every piece of lore from Halo. And I do mean every piece. I'm also curious for Edge of Dawn in November.

[wispy pewter]

I hope I survive until November

[glacial coral]

I'll be honest. The games are a lot of fun. All of them. But since I'm a fan of the lore, the books seem more enjoyable occassionally.

[wispy pewter]

yeah I like reading Halo books

I just wish there is an ongoing main timeline show/animated series

[glacial coral]

Do you arrange your books/games in release order, alphabetical order or chronological order?

I have arranged every game, novel, graphic novel and movie in chronological order.

[wispy pewter]

I just read 2011 books and above

I skipped a few tbh

like somebody's daughter, the first 3 didact books

I want to start reading that book about Owen and random ahh kids

[orchid kettle]

There was kinda an attempt at an in-game codex with that dumb kinect feature for CEA where you could tell Cortana to "analyze" things

[empty bloom]

I've seethed over that a lot before lmao

[orchid kettle]

they were real desperate for kinect to matter back then

Honestly I only ever remember liking it a bit for Skyrim if only because if you could remember the Shouts, you could have full access to all your superpowers without having to pause and swap

of course then you sounded like an idiot yelling out the fake dragon language in the middle of the night

[junior rivet]

What was your reaction to the dead Spartans on lone wolf?

[empty bloom]

"Huh dead guys"

[orchid kettle]

Most common interpretation is that they're just Gauntlet and Echo, mentioned way back before Kat died

I honestly wonder if they're meant to be somewhat deeper than that, like if Bungie originally wanted these to like, literally be other players' dead Noble Sixes

only instead of actually grabbing a random selection of player armor from the internet behind the scenes, it just faked it by randomizing the armor

[junior rivet]

There’s still the rare chance one of the Spartans could’ve resembled an actual players armor

[orchid kettle]

I have no proof this is the case, it would just feel really underwhelming and a bit out of character for Bungie if these dead Spartans were just a capstone to something mentioned offhand hours ago in the story

[junior rivet]

Or maybe they’re just a subtle way of saying “you’re next”

[latent junco]

Never noticed them tbh
Or I did and forget now

[hot zodiac]

I've seen a lot of people say they're Beta-Red

[high elbow]

I forget, was that spot supposed to be a Rally Point or an Extraction Zone? Or was it a spot everyone decided to die at. I assume it was an possible extraction zone considering the radio tower

[carmine sleet]

It could've just been a spot that UNSC forces were holding out in, regardless of if it was picked to be a rally point or not

Either way, not much we could do about the already dead Spartans that were there. Could they have been Gauntlet or Echo? Could they have been intended as Beta-Red? Who knows? But I don't think it really matters who they were at the end of the day

[high elbow]

I’m happier thinking they were just other nameless Spartans (ignoring the fact there were other Spartan IIIs on reach)

[obsidian thistle]

Series for me!

[glacial coral]

@obsidian thistle Series?

[obsidian thistle]

Yea Halo novels have series

Only ones "scattered" is the individual novels.

Dont ask why Mortal Dictata is massive

I legitimately no idea how I got that massive copy

[obsidian thistle]

You say that like I havent already sold my soul to Halo. XD

[neon remnant]

Nice collection

[obsidian thistle]

Its technically an outdated photo as I have the newer version of Meridian Divide

[glacial coral]

How do I add photos? I would LOVE to show y'all my Halo material.

[hardy swan]

You can't

[glacial coral]

Also, I'm not sure how many people know this. But Cassandra Rose Clarke actually wrote a third book for the Battle Born trilogy. Unfortunately, even though it was finished Scholastic wouldn't publish it. But now that Simon & Schuster are publishing the other two, I don't see why she can't publish the third one now.

[obsidian thistle]

It wasnt written

[stoic hamlet]

She wouldn’t have written it if they weren’t going to publish.

Contract books are only written once, well, a contract’s been agreed on.

[obsidian thistle]

At most

There probably was an outline

With notes from 343i not to kill Owen due to his ties to Outpost Discovery

[stoic hamlet]

Likely, yeah.

She almost certainly had an idea of what she wanted to do even if there wasn’t an actual outline.

[glacial coral]

Well.....crap.

[obsidian thistle]

There is a strong theory that the Publisher didnt continue the series as they abandoned their AFK Line of novels pretty much entirely outside their weird Level Up Annuals

[glacial coral]

Sooooooo.....I have another question.

Anyone have a favourite novel?

[obsidian thistle]

Halo was pretty much a casualty of a larger thing

[teal forum]

https://youtu.be/OYuqXIMQcYg?si=trgGakm1_ditdtcP

[glacial coral]

That's not a novel. It's a gun!!

[last anchor]

They were also the print carrying the RWBY novels, weren't they?

Hence why we only got three of those

[obsidian thistle]

Yup.

I believe their most popular run was their FNaF books

[last anchor]

Unsurprisingly

[obsidian thistle]

Halo honestly didnt stand a chance even if the AFK line survived.

It sucks

Hey it got us re-releases with extra stories in them years later so I cannae complain outside the limited US release like all re-releases of Halo novels (barring New Blood)

[obsidian thistle]

As a side note

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X · Jan 30, 2025, 9:07 PM

Seems we may be getting names for the H2A Anniversary ODST armor parts

[stoic hamlet]

Oh that’s a great point, hype.

Finally.

[obsidian thistle]

Helmet may be weird

But I hope its just a Operator/Military Police scenario

And its an updated version of the helmet. And not a new one outright

[orchid kettle]

M52D Assault Vest

i will never forget the mention of M52B in reference to the Halo 2 classic marine chest

[obsidian thistle]

Looks more closer to the og Halo 2 ODST (Which still exists thanks to Armor Testing)

[stoic hamlet]

It would thankfully still give us a name.

[obsidian thistle]

Would be fun to say the Halo 2 ODST BDU is a unique version also

Right now we treat them as the same thing as H2A on the pedia

But I am now sitting on a proposal to change that pending on the chests name

[ancient thistle]

i just finished ce and started halo 2 are the arbiters like the spartans in the covenant

confused me

and what exactly are the forerunners

[carmine sleet]

Arbiters are disgraced Elites given a second chance to "reclaim their honour" in death, and often are sent on missions where they are meant to die. Outside of their armour being older and purposefully worse than armour worn by the rest of the Covenant, they're still just an Elite

And you will learn more about the Forerunners, don't worry

But considering that you're where you are, the main things you need to know is that the Forerunners died long ago after fighting the Flood, being forced to used Halo to end the conflict. The Covenant believes the Forerunners used Halo to transcend into godhood, but as we learn in Combat Evolved, Halo wipes out life in all the galaxy

[ancient thistle]

yea something like that

the covenant wanted to figure out what it was

and was captain keyes a traitor i dont get it cortana said something was up

did he release the flood on purpose

[hardy swan]

They like to run

[carmine sleet]

If I say anything else, it would spoil things from later games and I'd rather not ruin that surprise

[ancient thistle]

ok

[carmine sleet]

Keyes wasn't a traitor

[ancient thistle]

cortana said that keys was on something

when they were on the halo control room

[ancient thistle]

ok imma continue playing

thx

[carmine sleet]

Cortana tells Chief that he needs to stop Keyes from getting into the containment facility because she had just learnt what the Flood is

It's not that Keyes was betraying anyone, he was going to accidentally unleash something that they were not equipped to deal with

[ancient thistle]

ohh

also last question are like the elites the highest level of fighters in the covenant or the brutes

does it get explained

[carmine sleet]

It's a bit of a messy political thing with the Elites and Brutes, but the Elites were one of the founding species of the Covenant alongside the Prophets, the Brutes were the most recent species to formally join the Covenant

You will see more relating to that the further into Halo 2 you get

[ancient thistle]

ok

[sonic lagoon]

Why did some remnants allow brutes in?

[high elbow]

Brutes make soldiers/mercenaries and some still believed in the promise of the sacred rings.

[obsidian thistle]

Plus not all Jiralhanae are the same

Even Jiralhanae were in Juls Covenant

[sonic lagoon]

How did his covenant start?

[obsidian thistle]

Though Jul getting messed over by ONI pretty much

[carmine sleet]

Anyone think the new Fuel Rod SPNKr is related to the same team behind the Gespu-pattern fuel rod gun?

[obsidian thistle]

Introducing the Fuel Rod SPNKr, a rocket launcher that has been heavily modified by the Banished and fires Venezian-repackaged fuel rod munitions.

[carmine sleet]

I see

[last anchor]

Waste not want not

[obsidian thistle]

Welll

[last anchor]

I would assume the Gespu team was related somehow tho
This might be a cheaper alternative, and Venezians are all about profit

[obsidian thistle]

https://www.halopedia.org/images/9/97/HINF_-_Event_-_Anvil_Key_art_(no_logo).jpg?20240703013630

[last anchor]

Rifht

Its not the first one we've seen

[obsidian thistle]

Venezians have been working on Rocket Launchers

A lotta the weapon models have hints at being tied to Venezia over the Banished

So its very much something that has a precedent

[empty bloom]

I wonder if they redesigned the SPNKr so radically to appeal to their xenos clientele.

[obsidian thistle]

I more wonder if its a result of having the ability to grow stuff.

They did restart a Covenant factory satellite

And created Boggart, the whitesteel items, and hypothetically other items using said stuff

Yes there is a cool side narrative in the armor descriptions if you search it out

[empty bloom]

I know, CIA, I was gonna make a whole channel on it lmao

But you meant that subjectively

Right

Anyways

[sonic lagoon]

What armor did the servants of the abiding truth wear?

[stoic hamlet]

Whatever they had available to them.

[sonic lagoon]

What are the armors shown on the halopedia page?

[hardy swan]

Why is it called a spkr when it's entire design changed

[versed helm]

SPNKR*

[last anchor]

Because it's a modified M41 not a new weapon system

[thorn spindle]

entire?

HUH???

[hardy swan]

Yeah it doesn't even shoot rockets?

[last anchor]

Its still an M41 pattern weapon system

Its simply utilizing a proprietary ammunition

[woeful vortex]

in halo reach the game, the ppl on reach speak hungarian and there are some hungarian cities mentioned as well. Is the hungarian language mentioned in the books as well one way or another or not?

cus as a proud hungarian, maybe id wanna buy the fall of reach if some cities are really mentioned there and etc

[obsidian thistle]

Just makes me wonder Smash and Grab is considered a Spnkr or not.

[hardy swan]

Some colonies in the Halo world are oddly country specific. Like Naomi is from are all Swedes

[wispy pewter]

It seems the Magyars found their way to Reach

[sonic lagoon]

We’re ancient human flood cults inspired by the religious fanatics in Dead Space? They are extremely similar and Isaac has armor that is quite similar.

[stoic hamlet]

They’re majority populations because those groups funded the colonization efforts.

It’s no more odd than real world colonies during the age of exploration.

[calm zodiac]

And with Madrigal from the Paramount+ show. Kwan's whole family--who'd been on Madrigal for generations--speaks Korean.

Idk if that counts or not, tho

[last anchor]

Harvest was settled by flyover state people with a Norse backing

[timid oar]

I wonder what happened to 2401 Penitent Tangent

[glacial coral]

Obviously multiplayer in Infinite is between questionable and disappointing in new content.

But is anyone else besides me enjoying the Armory Infinitium entries as well as the Waypoint Chronicles?

[steel stone]

What is new lore for the fuel rod rocket launcher? have a feeling the banished raided some unsc bases and merged the rocket with a fuel rod as an experiment

[glacial coral]

@steel stone I am definitely looking forward to it.

[empty bloom]

Venezians did it but basically that yeah

Of course Venezian can mean ex-Covenant species or even bannies

[steel stone]

wait a sec theres another species that worked with the covenant???

[glacial coral]

Yes. I can't remember the name, but it's in the Halo Encyclopedia.

[steel stone]

Little off topic hoping they remake those OG elites from Halo 1 making thema canon species, they look so cool

[glacial coral]

Like the Yonhet, the second extra species wasn't used for warfare but for labour.

[steel stone]

I guess many of them were on High Charity

[glacial coral]

Actually, no.

The labour species were used outside of High Charity.

[steel stone]

ok

how did they look were they weak as grunts or something?

[glacial coral]

Dazreme

Sort of like fish people.

https://www.halopedia.org/Dazreme

[empty bloom]

Uh... Venezians are residents of the planet Venezia, which is home to humans as well as ex-Covenant species.

[steel stone]

that looks freakin cool, i like the shark head design on the head

reminds me of the zoras from zelda, makes me think there were some inspiration there

shame we never saw them in the games as a cameo or something I like their design

[glacial coral]

So far, the Encyclopedia is the ONLY appearance of them.

[steel stone]

thats really cool we might see them in future games or something

[glacial coral]

We haven't seen a Yonhet in a game. So I ain't holding my breath on that media. Books, maybe.

At some point, we are going to need a waypoint chronicle or novel giving an official explanation as to how Hyperius got Locke's helmet.

Plus, I also remember that 343 Guilty Spark said in one of the CEA terminals that each Halo ring was only given one Monitor. And that each needed two to prevent distractions from tasks happening and that it was a mistake on the Librarian's part. Yet Zeta Halo has a Sub-Monitor.

[steel stone]

id rather have it shown in the games or have as a cutscene

i hate most of the cool stuff seem to happen in the books

[glacial coral]

Sorry that you feel that way. I love the books. But I'll take any form of media, just to explain what the hell happened.

[steel stone]

i really didnt know that there was cool stuff like the chimera armor during the reach days with the data pads and that stuff

[steel stone]

I love the books too and dont let some random guy like me stop you from doing so but feels like they could something much higher that could maybe please both people.

[glacial coral]

I am still thankful for Waypoint Chronicles. Nice to get extra fiction durimg downtimes.

[empty bloom]

The fact they make Chief be the one who ends Hyperius is irritating

Shoulda been Locke getting revenge

[neon remnant]

who are the endless in halo infinite and why are they reffered to as being more dangerous than the flood???

[hardy swan]

Probably recovering from his first encounter LMao

[empty bloom]

Because 'dangerous' can mean a lot of things.

And we don't know. I've been assuming they're related to the precursors.

[hardy swan]

Immune to the ring but not a bullet

[neon remnant]

🤔 hmm and theres no lore on them?

[empty bloom]

There's barely any, yeah

I assume they're related to precursors based on what we know of them

Like that's not a baseless belief

[neon remnant]

I see

[glacial coral]

The Endless are not more dangerous than the Flood.

They are the Flood's cheat code.

[empty bloom]

that's a fan assumption.

We don't actually know what makes them considered so dangerous.

[glacial coral]

The Endless are immune to the Rings. If the Flood ever actually infected them, then the Flood will be close to, if not completely, unstoppable.

That's why the Endless had to be locked away. Under no circumstances are they ever to be infected by the Flood.

[stoic hamlet]

They might not even be that.

They’re dangerous ideologically as well.

Because they were around when the Forerunners were, they can throw a wrench into the Forerunner’s plans.

Literally just by existing.

[empty bloom]

The flood are already nearly unstoppable.

[empty bloom]

Keep in mind that the flood are not killed by the rings.

We do not know how the precursors survived a ring firing. if it was an element of precursordom, that'd actually track, because so are the flood.

Neither are killed by the rings.

[wispy pewter]

They should explain how they are immune because there are no life forms without a neural system

[unique rune]

…Tons of living things lack nervous systems. Even on Earth.

[wispy pewter]

I mean sponges yeah

[unique rune]

And in the context of a fictional universe the writers can really just make stuff up as they go, it wouldn’t be impossible to just say that life developed on a planet with wildly different selective pressures that never led to anything resembling a central nervous system in complex multicellular organisms

[empty bloom]

I always figured the precursors were something of sentient nanites, but biological in base nature.

In some degree. Whether that be silicate-based or otherwise. Effectively, precursors could be their very technology.

With the flood being more a 'return to form' than a 'degradation' of their kind.

And the Endless being a sort of 'symbiosis'.

[late whale]

Was it ever explained how the UNSC Spirit of Fire wound up at the Ark Installation, even though the ship lost its Slipspace Drive?

[stoic hamlet]

No. It’s not been made known.

[glass walrus]

Nope, they just spawned there

[woeful vortex]

hey i just checked the chronological order of halo books, and saw that there are 9 books before the fall of reach. so is it a bad idea to start with the fall of reach book?

[stoic hamlet]

You should read release order if you can manage it. Halo’s books build on one another, even within separate series.

[woeful vortex]

Oh okey, tgats reassuring.. That i can start eith the fall of reacj. Btw are there any books abt noble6? Cus while the game abt reach is abt him, i only see master chief on the cover of the book(im very new to halo lore btw)

[carmine sleet]

There's no novels featuring Six

And outside of Jun showing up in a couple, rest of Noble don't feature in any either

Which honestly, you'd have thought they'd have done something on that front, just to give people more of Noble Team considering how beloved they are by more casual Halo fans

Sure we got the Waypoint Chronicle the other year focused on Noble Team before Reach, but that's really it

[sonic lagoon]

How effective would a squad of ODSTs be against a squad of BOS Knights in power armor?

[potent dove]

Have you read Halo: Epitaph? It essentially confirms that The Flood and the Gravemind are the Precursors

[carmine sleet]

I'm pretty sure that's where Trench got the idea from

[potent dove]

And the individual Flood parasites aren't themselves destroyed by the Halos, they just wipe out their sources of food by destroying every lifeform with a nervous system, which would kill anything with enough biomass for the Flood to use

So the Forerunners likely only encountered life that basically functions as it does irl, whereas the Endless are "alive" in a totally different way

[empty bloom]

Yes, that is where I got the idea from.

[carmine sleet]

I remembered a thing!

[empty bloom]

Granted, I believed that before epitaph.

[potent dove]

And the Skimmers are also seemingly Endless/Xalanyn in some way

[empty bloom]

I cannot say the word I want to say here. Speech to text refuses to recognize it, but it rhymes with synthetic.

[carmine sleet]

Likely just species that are related, I theorised a while back that the Gasgira (Skimmers) are a species that are subservient to the Xalanyn a while back. So while this analogy isn't one to one, the Skimmers kinda like the "worker bees" to the "Queen bee" that is the Endless

[empty bloom]

Anyways, I believe the endless are basically infected with whatever bonded with the prion affected character from Out casts.

Or at least a kissing cousin of the concept.

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/nanomachines-son-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-gif-20057254

[empty bloom]

I believe that the base nature of the precursors is itself infectious like the flood.

[carmine sleet]

So basically you hope you get infected by the beneficial spores and not the ones that reshape you into a space zombie

[empty bloom]

Kind of, but it's more like the space zombie is what you get when you force the beneficial to die.

[carmine sleet]

Fair

[empty bloom]

In other words, the flood are what the precursors were before they evolved to be something beyond a parasite.

They had to have come from somewhere, so what better than being an evolved protein chain hive mind?

[carmine sleet]

That does have me wondering about the Precursor Seeds on the Eden. Because if you are correct, could that mean that whatever planet it lands on ends up with a similar "nanotech" to Netherop?

[empty bloom]

I actually just remembered those LMAO

In this case, I would assume yes.

[carmine sleet]

Fair

[empty bloom]

Considering that we know that blightlands occur when ambient flood cell counts reach a certain amount. I wonder if it functions like that one giant fungus colony in real life.

[carmine sleet]

Why am I suddenly reminded of the Mold from Resident Evil? Sure there are differences, but a major thing it can do is help someone infected with it survive and heal from injuries that would kill most people. But it can also corrupt and make monsters, which is what the monsters seen in RE7 and Village are

[stoic hamlet]

It was pretty well implied through, well, implications.

Epitath just confirmed it.

[hardy swan]

It was Q

[late whale]

🤨

[wispy pewter]

lol what other explaination there can be either than it's Jod

[last anchor]

Cool, the Mold rules

[sonic lagoon]

So what reasons did human pirates have to pirate things?

And what equipment did the Castoffs have?

[hardy swan]

UEG

[orchid kettle]

Stealing things is just cool, really

[unique rune]

A good pirate never takes another person's property!

[carmine sleet]

Aye, and we try to make sure we only plunder long lost treasure

Or stuff that was already ours... They just didn't know it yet

[high elbow]

It’s not stealing, we’re just Treasure Hunting things. The fact it happened to be in a locked chest is coincidental

[sonic lagoon]

They just borrowing it for a few decades.

[patent patio]

Until it's your stuff getting stolen lmao

[high elbow]

If I can’t protect my stuff from getting pirated, maybe I didn’t deserve it :p

[obsidian thistle]

Reminder even I can be a dunce sometimes lol. I just realised there was no intro to the Halopedia timeline.

I been working on that thing for years

I should have thought "this needs a intro"

But nope

I didnt till today

[teal forum]

https://youtu.be/EBmOdckfcZY?si=9B_S0d5ulkqtaS2d

[obsidian thistle]

Ok so yea, please don't randomly put links in if ya have nothing to contribute to it! 🙂 Nothing against I00 (adore the guy) but this unfortunately comes off as spammy if all ya post is his links 😦

(And trust me I do adore I00, one of the few LoreTubers still around atm. And a friend aha)

[teal forum]

This is the most applicable sub channel to post the lore vids.

[orchid kettle]

Nah you see, this merely activates my revenge sidequest

[obsidian thistle]

Again just posting links "comes off as spammy" unfortunately. :/ Especially if you "have nothing to contribute to it" and just link it.

(Again nothing against I00 here. I wanna be crystal clear)

[spark pivot]

I am severely fighting the urge to tell 00 about this lol

Engineers are cool tho, wish we saw more of them

[last anchor]

Presumably everyone here already knows what he says

Or it's been discussed before

I really wish we had more lore related channels...we have good ones now, sure, but the seirss hasn't been around long enough to really get the kind of video I want on it

I wanna sit down for two hours ans hear the entire history of the Spartan program, but like the longest video I've found on it is...20 minutes maybe?

[glass breach]

I haven't watched the series at all

[empty bloom]

Trenchbird's 16 hour essay on why the IVs are objectively, mathematically, the best program

[wispy pewter]

morally the best but IIs are still superior

apparently teens can be IV's now

[last anchor]

I'd watch that without hesitation
Just be sure to do a lot of complicated as hell math

[empty bloom]

Considering I'm in the "There are likely around 9K+" crowd uh

Yeah lmao

[empty bloom]

Superior at being a nearly dead breed isn't much of an accomplishment.

[wispy pewter]

if we take out the being kidnapped as kids of the equation, they are physically and physiologically superior. Not to mention they don't need maintaince to their augmentions

apprently the III's need booster shots to keep them sane

[unique rune]

if we take out the part that makes them morally reprehensible they’re all hunky dory

and also ignore the obscene expenses
and psychosocial development problems

and the necessary lead time
and stringent generic screening
and 50% fail rate despite the screening and expenses dumped into a bunch of abducted six year olds

Spartan-II is a deeply flawed proof of concept at best

[last anchor]

They did what they were meant to do: paved the way for later versions

Someome has to bite the bullet and be the guinea pig

And now the UNSC can mass produce the IVs and should be as fast as they can when they stop being fractured and scattered

[hardy swan]

I hate the term mass produce for what's supposed to be a super soldier program

They are supposed to be rare and extraordinary

[last anchor]

No. No they aren't

They're the hammer upon which all other foes are shattered

There's no reason for the UNSC to not mass produce them now

If you have a reliable weapon that works, use it.

[wispy pewter]

One thing about Spartan II's I like is that their criteria is so strict only people with batman levels of peak human intelligence are chosen and like Emperor said only 50% make it trough

[wispy pewter]

I also think the UNSC should focus on their navy because ground battles are meaningless if you have space superiority

[hardy swan]

I hope the Infinity is alive somewhere

[empty bloom]

We Mass Produce Navy Seals the best we can.

The concept of scarcity informing importance has always been a foolish one.

If the UNSC could replace every single one of its line infantry with Spartans, it absolutely would.

[empty bloom]

They do. The bulk of major notable post-war advancements have almost entirely been either Naval or Industrial in nature.

For example; Focusing on reverse-engineering the Covenant Tech that most closely aligns with UNSC war doctrine (Pulse Lasers), developing new methods of fabricating and refining materials or construction, etc.

[last anchor]

And absolutely should because drowning your foe in an endless wave of supersoldiers is better than sending a few on some important missions

[empty bloom]

Plus, IVs would, in a realistic setting, have diversity of approach over normal IIs and IIIs.

They come from diverse backgrounds and operational knowledge.

[hardy swan]

Some good the Spartan IIIs did

[empty bloom]

I mean, we know more about the impact of their missions than we do for the IIs, last I checked. Chief notwithstanding because he is a statistical outlier at the end of the war.

[last anchor]

And we barely know what Cheif did
Less than a dozen missions right

[stoic hamlet]

They did what they were supposed to. They went where no Spartan II, ODST, Marine, Ranger, or Navy Ship could go, killed a ton of aliens, and disrupted Covenant supply lines, blunting assaults before they could muster.

And they put down a coup or two, to boot.

[pseudo trench]

anyone know if SGT Avery Johnson has a middle name?

[hardy swan]

Avery

Junior

Johnson

[obsidian thistle]

Planning on it! 😉 (at least me)

[unborn patrol]

did the parents of the spartan 2 children ever figure out that their dying children were clones?

[carmine sleet]

Some did

Such as Naomi-010's father who went on to meet his daughter years later

[unborn patrol]

huh

anyone else do anything with this realization?

[unique rune]

I'm pretty sure Staffan Sentzke (Naomi's dad) was the only one who ever found out. At least that we know of.

Er, my bad, Arthur-079's father also figured it out and helped Sentzke with that whole deal but died before he could really do much more with it.

[empty bloom]

One attempted to glass earth.

[high elbow]

Glassing the earth feels a bit overboard, but I get it. I too would glass the earth if I discovered my hamster was secretly alive the whole time

[obsidian thistle]

A lotta cool lore in this update

Cant wait to wiki it

[empty bloom]

So from how it sounds, the Mark IV setup-the uh, EXO set-is an offshoot of, what I assume, is the old school powered armor that Mickey wore in the last A9 book.

That sound about right?

[orchid kettle]

Probably not. Buck recognizes the suit as an early-war design, but then uses the word "apparently" when describing how it has an exoskeleton, which to me always read as an aftermarket alteration made by the rebels

Or was it that he recognized it as old because it was from "the war"? Either case, it's something he recognizes at a glance as odst armor, and I don't think that'd really be the case for ORCUS if it never really saw widespread success as anything but spare parts for Spartans.

[sonic lagoon]

Does there UNSC have frogmen?

[teal forum]

Halo lore video about the Plasma Repeater. A Reach classic.
https://youtu.be/xrD86dW7V84?si=YNLlbOwwyG2_FPPD

[hardy swan]

Underwater soldiers?
I don't think so

[latent junco]

There is sub-aquatic Spartan armor, but iirc it's more specialty than actual military branch

[hardy swan]

No way a 1-300 kg Spartan is gonna float

[latent junco]

900 (ish) kg*
And there is thruster systems for MJOLNIR too

Plus, old diving suits were basically the same, they were heavy on purpose to reach the seafloor

[hardy swan]

900 kg is the weight for brutes not Spartans

[latent junco]

MJOLNIR weighs about a ton

Ok nvm it is half ton
Thought it was a ton

Still tho

[hardy swan]

M8 I think it was Kelly Gay or Dennings that mentioned an armoured Spartan weight that went somewhere 300 kilohrams

[latent junco]

It says half ton, I just thought I read 1 ton somewhere.

[hardy swan]

900kg is the weight of Brutes. Which makes no sense but yeah

[stoic hamlet]

Yes. The Army has underwater divers.

[unique rune]

That is. Incorrect.
Jiralhanae are given an official weight range from around 500 kg to 700 kg, which is… about comparable to a typical horse?
And considering they’re like 8-9 feet tall and built like a brick wall…

[empty bloom]

There are confirmed Army divers, which also utilize similar armor to the aquatic-focused MJOLNIR armors.

[woeful vortex]

in the fall of reach book, would i read of a lot of hungarian cities?

[last anchor]

No. Most of the book doesn't take place on Reach

[obsidian thistle]

May I recommend taking part in the conversations here than just linking I00 vids! 🙂 Its still kinda spammy. Thanks!

I get yer a fan of his but this channel isnt a place to just link his videos! Last time I'll say this going forward! Thanks! 🙂

[sonic lagoon]

Any photos?

[obsidian thistle]

Its funny how most Reach lore on the planet itself isn't in the books, or games but reference books and web pages

[unique rune]

The bit about lots of Reach’s original settlers being of Hungarian descent really doesn’t factor into anything. It’s mostly just a bit of extra trivia/worldbuilding to explain why the farmers and Jorge speak a bit of Hungarian in the game.

[spark pivot]

nope

tbh I don't think there's even one mentioned

[dusk jetty]

And the names of some places/geographical areas

[wispy pewter]

unrealated, but the swedish decent colony Naomi is from, the main city is called New Stockholm

[spark pivot]

completely random, but I want to see a spartan who uses a katana in lore

bonus points for wearing hayabusa or yoroi for the armor

[hardy swan]

I want to see a Spartan using a spear and a bronze shield

The fact we don't have a Hoplite based core yet

[latent junco]

We need some of the MCC Sparta/Roman Spartan armor back

[patent patio]

Damn a shield type weapon in a Halo game would go great with dual wielding ngl

[night scaffold]

Since Halo Studios won't give us a proper Sangheili Core, my headcanon is that Yoroi is an alternate version of the Sangheili. All their armor, Honor, and lore seeming to fit rather well.

[spark pivot]

I'd guess that's because the sangheili (atleast from what I can tell, this is all my own thoughts and guesses) seem to be somewhat based off of how feudal Japan operated

[patent topaz]

did the zeta halo move after cortana blew a chunk off the ring?

[carmine sleet]

Yes

[obsidian thistle]

Hmmm not the same but...

https://www.halopedia.org/Hieu_Dinh

Dinhs the closest we're gonna get probably

Him having a personal blade called the Wolf Fang

[patent topaz]

so is the infinty still around and flying?

[obsidian thistle]

At the current time its status is unknown

[patent topaz]

considering there isn't giant pieces of the infinity flying around zeta or crashed into zeta it most likely is still around plus would make a awsome cinematic if the infinity finally reaches back to zeta halo to help chief at his time of need

[carmine sleet]

We only explored a small part of Zeta, it's possible that parts of it are on the areas we don't visit in Infinite's campaign

But as CIA said, the status of Infinity is unknown

[wispy pewter]

it would be a mistake to destroy the infinity

[brittle grove]

Halo's Reclamation genesis begins at FF7. Jenova is the Librarian. Prove me wrong.

[carmine sleet]

What?

[brittle grove]

Jenova

IS

the Librarian

gene seeds

1000 lifetimes of planning

[carmine sleet]

Halo and FF7 are not the same franchise

[brittle grove]

the link is there. the stories bases are cut from the same foundation

[carmine sleet]

Ok, they can have shared elements in their stories, but that doesn't mean the two are linked

And what do you mean with "Halo's Reclamation genesis"?

[brittle grove]

show me the disimilarities that distinquish one story from the other.

dissasociate the two stories enough to prove me wrong

i didnt ask for your dumb statement

[carmine sleet]

I haven't played Final Fantasy 7 but I'm pretty sure the plot doesn't involve ring worlds capable of killing life in the galaxy, rampant AI, a guy in green who doesn't talk too much or the largest ship humanity has ever made in its plot

[brittle grove]

dont speak

be gone

read up

then come back

[carmine sleet]

What?

[brittle grove]

youre not well knowledged enough to include yourself in this discussion

[carmine sleet]

You're claiming that Halo and FF7 are linked when they are not

[brittle grove]

Prove me wrong.

[carmine sleet]

I don't need to have lots of knowledge to tell you they're not linked

[carmine sleet]

And you still haven't answered this

Oh, they're muted. Anyway

[steel aurora]

lmao

final fantasy and halo are linked, prove me wrong but if you are confused by this comparison I am going to insult your intelligence 😂

[last anchor]

I mean, Monty Oum liked both
Does that count as a link?

[spark pivot]

Average person with 0 knowledge about halo be like

[steel aurora]

He started cussing me out in DMs btw

[carmine sleet]

He did but he liked so many things

[spark pivot]

Ngl now I wanna go watch a playthrough of FF7 JUST to prove this man wrong in every way I can

[spark pivot]

What did you even do??

[last anchor]

What was bros plan anyway.
Come into a server and start an argument with stupid commentary?

[spark pivot]

You didn't get to talk to him once

[last anchor]

Theres like, six social media sites he could do that on.

[spark pivot]

That was exactly it

[last anchor]

Well, thats unbelievably dumb.

[spark pivot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Some people got a -20 on their intelligence, idk

[last anchor]

Then again, when I was at HCS I saw some appocolyptically blind people at the 405th booth.

[carmine sleet]

Yeah, I'm confused about that too

[spark pivot]

What happened at the 405th booth 😭

[steel aurora]

trifled with a muted person ig

[last anchor]

Someone said "thats a lot of really good Spartan armor you got there."
Not a single Spartan was present, it was four ODSTs and someone in ONI officer uniform.

(Shoutout to Peaches, she was MAD cool btw)

[spark pivot]

XD

To be fair, its easy to confuse a spartan and ODST if you don't know anything besides whats in the games

[last anchor]

Aye.
And the armor's not locked to either party either. MJLONIR can accept non-MJLONIR armor plates without issue and a lot of MJLONIR designed components later became mass produced.

[empty bloom]

This is one of the only chats you can see when muted.

So if you're a chronically online loser with weird takes about connections that don't exist, you can see people making fun of you here. Hi, friend.

[carmine sleet]

I guess I'm lucky in that I've never been muted (Outside of testing purposes)

[empty bloom]

I always found it funny that the parity of slapping anything you can on AFV's continues onto... Power Armor, in Halo.

But yet, not the tanks themselves.

[last anchor]

Im actually kind of surprised they've never put limits on this chat.
But at the same time anyone who's into the lore usually tends to be a lot less rampantly aggressive than otherwise.

[last anchor]

I think there's mention of up-armor kits for Scorpions.

Actually, yeah. Some of the MK IV chest plates utilize components recycled from Scorpion ERA packs.

And no composition test beds that didnt make it to full production

I think we can assume that, even if we dont see it in-game or in-books, the UNSC is not simply just...leaving their armor without any kind of add on components. They have too many military industrial companies for that.

I assume at some point or another someone tried to make a refelctive armored Scorpion to ensure it could survive more hits from plasma fire.
But it was so shiny it couldnt be deployed normally without instantly forming a drag race.

[empty bloom]

Laughs in exception

Then again, I've never been banned.

From here.

[last anchor]

I assume the flame wars happen in other social media aspects.
Im fine with that.

This is where you go to get your first proper taste of deeper lore if you have questions or comments and then if you go right into the deep end of the pool theres the Halopedia discord.

And Reddit, I guess

[empty bloom]

But yeah-I was aware, I just find it funny that we've never really seen it actually get depicted.

[empty bloom]

Eh, Halostory is a cesspool of confident incorrectness.

[last anchor]

There's a reason I dont go there. Or interact with most of the fandom outside of the hyperniche sections.

Also, they really should depict more upgraded Scorpions.
I know they stopped doing vehicle models a while back but like, come on. You only ever gave us some for the Hog and then stopped. Theres unused model pages for every other vehicle.
Give me a Scorpion with enough ERA to make a tank nerd's eyes water

Will ERA work against plasma? Who knows

[empty bloom]

I always figured no. It's not fun to be in a vehicle when ERA does its job, and Plasma sounds tailor made to cause chainfires of Kontakt plates.

[last anchor]

It is basically a sun

[dusk jetty]

I remember there being slow mode here I think

[carmine sleet]

As far as I know it's never been in this specific channel

And that's dating back to my early days here

[sonic lagoon]

What are you talking about?

[obsidian thistle]

Lets not worry about it!

[thorn ember]

Anyone remember besides the Plasma Rifle and Carbine, what other weapons the Elites use during the war? I know the repeater, sword, and fuel rod was seen but rarely.

[thorn spindle]

beam rifle i guess

[orchid kettle]

Basically just any weapon in the Covenant arsenal really. Besides Brute-specific weaponry of course. And chances are for them, the plasma pistol is an actual backup sidearm, and not their main weapon like it is for Grunts or Jackals.

[neon remnant]

Is there any lore out there that covers more of chief and blue team and stuff like them going on missions besides halo 5?

Also more lore covering red team would be nice as well.

[hardy swan]

Master chief books

[stoic hamlet]

The Fall of Reach, First Strike, and Ghosts of Onyx
The same for Red Team, on a technicality. And yes, I’m counting it, no, I won’t give in to modern lore.

[neon remnant]

Does the modern lore go more into either team?

by modern lore you mean 343 lore?

[last anchor]

That being that there's multiple Red Teams probably

[neon remnant]

Brah what lol

ye I was referring to the ones in halo wars

[dusk jetty]

There’s one offhandedly mentioned in Reach, as well as gauntlet and echo, all of which are presumably Spartan III teams as well

[last anchor]

And the one from First Strike under Fred deployed to the orbital generators

S-II team composition is unsurprisingly flexible

[hardy swan]

Halo wars 2

Red team also appeared in the last ferret book

[pliant valley]

I’ve been looking at each halo games’ armory of weapons during the events of their campaigns, and it’s really interesting to see how much they thought about each games armory in the context of each of their stories, like CE having mostly close ranged weapons for the UNSC due to the forces on board preparing for ship to ship combat rather than a ground battle.

In halo 2, the battle rifle was being used for a planetary defense force which would have like the precision the rifle brought in comparison to the AR and was more effective than the long outdated DMR (which was used on reach since it’s mostly a world filled with veterans and the BR had been slowly replacing the DMR in a lot of planetary forces, but the people on reach stood by the rifle they’d be using for years, even if the BR was better)

[wispy pewter]

PDF hahahah

[pliant valley]

Also, UNSC military structure is wack. Army forces are really independent in comparison to a lot of branches and they can be vastly different from planet to planet

[latent magnet]

eod oni calls the shots anyway

[glacial coral]

Does anyone remember Sali 'Nyon? I'm really excited and curious for Empty Throne's release so we can find out what he's done.

[stoic hamlet]

I remember him~

I also possess and have finished the book

[dusk jetty]

I found empty throne at a barnes and noble yesterday, have yet to start it though

Need to finish God Emporer of dune first

[glacial coral]

@dusk jetty You saw it already at a store?!

[dusk jetty]

Barnes and noble

2 copies, on the science fiction shelf

[glacial coral]

Okay, I gotta go check mine tomorrow!!!

[hardy swan]

But the book is not even oit

[dusk jetty]

I would show you a picture but

It’s not unusual for a company to put items on shelves before the labeled release date 🤷‍♂️

[hardy swan]

Ship it to me

Kidding

[stoic hamlet]

I got mine Thursday.

But I could have gotten it Wednesday, just didn’t have the time.

[wispy pewter]

I wonder if Amazon Kindle will have it

[stoic hamlet]

Not yet. E-Books don’t tend to release early.

[wispy pewter]

sad

[neon remnant]

Is there a particular order to read these? Should I start with fall of reach?

[stoic hamlet]

I’d always recommend release order, yes.

[neon remnant]

Cool I just found a ton of halo books at a barnes and nobles. Gonna pick up fall of reach

[neon remnant]

How long did the human covenant war last?

[wispy pewter]

burp

[latent magnet]

50 ish years

games only really take place towards the end of the war

[neon remnant]

Crazy

[carmine sleet]

The war wasn't 50 years long. It began in 2525 and ended in 2552/2553

[neon remnant]

roughly 27 years then?

[glass walrus]

Yes

[stoic hamlet]

27, almost 28.

[glacial coral]

@neon remnant In my opinion (which is usually faulty), I prefer to read them in chronological order. Then again, I prefer to experience the entire fiction in chronological order. If anyone wants a list of how I'd go through it, just ask.

[obsidian thistle]

I... dont recommend that lol

The Forerunner Saga at the start is a whiplash to anyone starting out lol

And I adore those books

I will say this

I am making a page on Halopedia for the books in release order

Too many people kept getting at me for us not having that lol

I still way prefer the series groupings however

Canon Order however is a mess of chapter swapping

< The guy who maintained the Halo Canon Order circa 2009 through to 2016

[empty bloom]

You basically need to have like four-to-six books and comics open at least around the same time frame to have a canon order, up to and including reading several at the exact same time.

[obsidian thistle]

Your saying this to the guy who used to do this and didnt maintain a Wiki at the time lol 😉

[empty bloom]

I figured you knew, I was just emphasizing :>

[obsidian thistle]

I remember this was during the time we didn't know when Headhunters took place cause we didnt know if the cast was Alpha or Beta company lol

So there was a lotta "This was the earliest X happens"

A true canon order is impossible with the knowledge that some stories arnt specific on time

Especially with early post-War stories

Kilo-5 started a trend of not including exact dates in stuff

Which ended 5+ years later

Praise be Troy and Kelly

[empty bloom]

Finally, a good reason to dislike Traviss' writing beyond her being a politically horrible person.

Hmn. So looking at sword colors...

Light of Joori and Darkstar are both kind of interesting.

Kaidon's Guard is likely used by Thel's personal guard, but we've never seen any commentary on Thel's guards before.

Light of Joori and Darkstar both sound... Religious in intent?

[carmine sleet]

Probable they've got ties to religions from before the Sangheili joined the Covenant. If I was gonna try and incorporate a species into my space empire, I'd appropriate or allow them to keep some aspects of their species' religion

[hardy swan]

So are the prophet names given by the humans or are they translations

[obsidian thistle]

They probably have some Sangheili term for the words

Like there probably is a word for Regret.

A word for Prophet

And a word for of

In the Silver Timeline. It seems they often didnt say the "full" title

Q'iitu
Q'aatu
Gaik'inat'u

[hardy swan]

Halopedia says known by many species as prophet but the other pedia says known by humans as prophets

[obsidian thistle]

Halo Alpha is... erm... 6 years dead

[hardy swan]

Oh

[obsidian thistle]

I dont recommend that Wiki if yer life depended on it

It also has no team on it

So like no one is fact checking what goes on that wiki

[hardy swan]

Halopedia is the official wiki is it?

[obsidian thistle]

Official no

[hardy swan]

Ah

[carmine sleet]

It's the best wiki for Halo lore

[obsidian thistle]

But is maintained by me and a ace team

[carmine sleet]

Oh yeah, that reminds me, CIA, do you need pictures of last month's operation armour?

[obsidian thistle]

Go ahead! 🙂 I'll never say no. If you want to just upload em yerself, I'd love ya for it lol

I'm busy doing screenshots of Halo 5 armor aha

[carmine sleet]

Will do, I have a couple pictures I got last month

And let me know if you need any help with that too

[strange pumice]

Halo 5 armor was hot🔥 🔥

[obsidian thistle]

This was a personal favourite of mine I took yesterday

[hardy swan]

That Spartan looks thicc

[obsidian thistle]

Not as good as the HELLCAT images I took however

Those slayed hard

[carmine sleet]

Channelling Kelly, nice

[obsidian thistle]

I tried to make the armor fitting

HELLCAT I opted to take pictures on a Forerunner map with a Suppressor

And that genuinely flowed hard

People can make up their own narrative. I just opted for suitable

https://www.halopedia.org/images/5/5e/H5G_Multiplayer_HELLCAT_Ground_Pound.png?20250207211116

I actually didnt intend for that image to go as hard as it did

As a fun note: Its really cool to see how accurate Infinites HELLCAT is

[carmine sleet]

Glad to know we have similar thoughts for taking images of the armour. I went with a Banished focus for Dominar

[obsidian thistle]

For the Venezian themed stuff, I'd use one of the various Venezian themed weapon models. 🙂 Redsteel Tooth, Acquisitive Reach, Smash and Grab, Mercilessly Cutthroat.

None of the Vicious weapons + Whispered Fear

[carmine sleet]

Fair. I did use a Whispered Fear for Dominar since it felt fitting (And the only one of those weapon models I have access to)

[obsidian thistle]

But for the more Banished stuff like Savage, Emissary, so on I'd use the Vicious weapon models

Seeing as its a sub-theme

[carmine sleet]

Fair

[obsidian thistle]

Oh this wasnt a criticism:)

Just how I'd imagine doing it

I am glad Fractures are getting weapon models now

Means I can make fitting images that dont use canon stuff

[last anchor]

"Elite Ancient Human warriors drop onto unsuspecting Forerunner Warrior-Servants, Battle of Charrum Hakoor."

I have all these models I should start taking screenshots for you guys

Actually put some use to it

[last anchor]

Do we have anything with the BAR model involved?

Might as well actually use it

[obsidian thistle]

Nope. I should probably get a buncha images of Eaglestrike stuff with the BAR

Thats a post-H5G mission

[last anchor]

I can get started on that if you want, I have all the armor and the weapon

What do you need?

[obsidian thistle]

Honestly. The best thing about Wiki editing is you can do what you want as long as it makes sense

So honestly just do stuff! :]

[last anchor]

Fair enough.
I was more curious as "what armor do we not have stuff for" but it looks like theres a little bit for everythign

[stoic hamlet]

https://old.reddit.com/r/HaloStory/comments/1ils2vt/interesting_worldbuilding_from_halo_empty_throne/

My worldbuilding notes on empty throne, for those curious.

[empty bloom]

Removed

[stoic hamlet]

I saw. Not sure why. I’ve done half a dozen of these posts before.

Very peculiar.

Messaged the mods to see why.

[hardy swan]

Oh man. Now I can't wait for the book

[dusk jetty]

For what it’s worth I took a look, I’m very glad that this is something that’s mentioned. Gives the whole battle more depth

I started last night, good read so far

[glacial coral]

I went to Barnes and Noble. They didn't have it.

[stoic hamlet]

Appreciate it.

[latent magnet]

amazon it is then cry

[opaque dew]

Do the elites really hug like a swan does

[carmine sleet]

That's just a thing in fanart

But I do like the idea of an Elite hugging like that

[stoic hamlet]

My post is back up, if you want to read it.

[high elbow]

Elites never hug. They arm wrestle to show affection, even in trying times

[glacial coral]

I GOT IT! I'VE GOT EMPTY THRONE!!!

[obsidian thistle]

Lucky aha

I need to get a copy later

IE when it arrives

[opaque dew]

Do elites ever have human friends

[hardy swan]

Arbiter and Chief

[opaque dew]

Yay(wish I was one)

[hardy swan]

DM me a screenshot of every page

[glacial coral]

@hardy swan I........don't think I can do that.

[high elbow]

I mean. Not legally but…

[sonic lagoon]

What type of weapons did Yonhet mercenaries use?

[hardy swan]

Nerf

[spark pivot]

yes

[opaque dew]

(Wish I was one)

[sonic lagoon]

How large were the Doberman Gators?

[unique rune]

we don't know

if anything I'm pretty sure most of your answers can either be found on Halopedia
or if they're not on Halopedia then it's never been elaborated on

[stoic hamlet]

^^^

[sonic lagoon]

I’m considering using some Star Wars legion minis to paint up like the Doberman Gator. Proxy figures, like proxy soldiers but for miniatures you know, get the job done.

I’ve used a dnd frost salamander as an Ipldor

[drowsy mesa]

Man, just one week before Halo: Empty Throne

[still cipher]

I got it already, currently reading from my Barnes and Nobles

[stoic hamlet]

I’ve had it since Thursday.

[hardy swan]

Does the UNSC have a navy seals equivalent or do they just use ODSTs and Marines for covert operations?

[zenith cloak]

I think its the ODSTs cause technically the marines and ODSTs are navy

[orchid kettle]

We don't necessarily have an exhaustive list of special operation units in the UNSC, but it seems to me that in most cases, the ODST is treated as the primary special forces Marine, while in the Army they have the Rangers.

Johnson in Contact Harvest refers to himself and his boys as "NAVSPECWAR Marines", and fans think they're fellow former ORIONs like him, but it's pretty unclear and if you wanted to be super pedantic, then "NAVSPECWAR Marine" could be used to refer to ODSTs as well.

[orchid kettle]

I should specify that when I say "treated", I mean in the case of how 343/HS uses them in stories, not necessarily how the UNSC treats them.

[wispy pewter]

ONI used ODSTs and a Spartan for covert operations

[carmine sleet]

Many of the operations Spartan IIs and IIIs were deployed on were covert

That's not exactly new information

But ONI also has plenty of other operatives they use for covert operations. Same with the Navy and other UNSC branches

[orchid kettle]

It did feel like for a while that ONI often treated ODSTs as hired muscle, with ONI agent themselves often appearing in stories as just like, the occasional shady spy who's reluctant to let the rest of the cast in on what's truly going on.

But then we just got agents like Locke's team and the "Howlers" from the Rion Forge trilogy, and you start to wonder why ONI even bothered bringing ODSTs along on that Midsummer Night mission

Ferrets I think are a pretty good compromise since undercover work is obviously something your more conventional military members aren't going to be doing all that often

[silk marten]

Are there parts of the galaxy that are unknown to either the UNSC, Covenant and Banished?

[wispy pewter]

considering that the milky way is 100k lightyears across I would say probably

[spark pivot]

Yes, but the banished/covenant know far more than humanity does

[boreal bane]

https://youtu.be/jsgDUv0LlrU?feature=shared

[still cipher]

is there a properly updated lore timeline anywhere right now? heck even an excel spreadsheet? I noticed halopedia is not really updated either....not sure if Reddit had one

o nvm found it thankfully, Afterbang's Halo timeline on a google spreadsheet, originally made by CIA391

[zenith cloak]

Hey does anyone know the range of the Halo Arrays?

Like how far they reach when fired?

[latent junco]

25000 light years

[zenith cloak]

Jeez ok thanks, thats terrifying

Appreciate the answer

[latent junco]

Np
And yea, the full array is meant to reach across a galaxy

[zenith cloak]

Yeah thats true, with all 9 i think it was

[carmine sleet]

Seven. The Array that was used only has seven Halos

08 and 09 were both constructed to replace 04

[spark pivot]

iirc a single halo had a blast radius of ~15k lightyears? may be wrong

[severe gorge]

Working on a YouTube video about the generations of SPARTANs. What are some solid out-of-game resources? I have the Halo Encyclopedia and have been reading through but thats not super detailed

I’d like to include as much lore and information as possible about each Gen, as well as details about how many units and prominent figures there are in each one

[carmine sleet]

Halopedia is gonna be your best friend

[severe gorge]

Is that a website?

Or a physical book

I do hope the video comes out well. I plan to do a couple more after about the wars between Humanity, the Flood, and the Forerunners when the Rings were created, and also about the Human-Covenant War and Great Schism

Lord knows those get messy

[carmine sleet]

It's a website, basically the Halo Wikipedia

[stoic hamlet]

Aside from getting the actual books that delve into the generations, Halopedia is your best bet. @severe gorge

[severe gorge]

And which books do so?

Which novels I mean. I have First Strike and eventually am gonna get the other Reach novels

Actually I imagine Halopedia would have the information those books would have for free so nevermind

[obsidian thistle]

I do recommend the novels! 🙂

< Halopedia Admin

< Overall bad at Halo but great at the lore! Apologies if I have ever been on your team.

[severe gorge]

I don’t play Halo multiplayer

I have played the stories

Frankly have zero interest in multiplayer modes

I’m far more interested in Master Chief and the lore

[severe gorge]

Unfortunately I have little to no money to spend on books outside of the current series I’m reading. So. And I’d like to get the video out in the next 6 months so unfortunately I’ll have to use Halopedia

Maybe later I’ll make a updated version

[latent junco]

25k

[stoic hamlet]

Ghosts of Onyx for the Spartan III’s.

Fall of Reach for the Spartan II’s.

The IV’s only really have New Blood and Escalation… but you’re better reading the articles on Halopedia, in truth.

Those are the big ones, but like with a lot of long running franchises, a ton of “disconnected” books still move the needle forwards.

[orchid kettle]

Encyclopedia and Spartan Field Manual are probably your best source for IVs as well

Initiation is also a thing that exists I guess

[severe gorge]

I have Initiation the comics

The full 600 page omnibus

Should I read that for info?

[severe gorge]

From what I understand there isn’t a ton of info about IV’s.

[orchid kettle]

You can, the issue is that it was more or less our first real breakdown on what IVs even really were or what they stood for, and it's been elaborated on more since

[orchid kettle]

Honestly its more so that it's just so spread out across all the material, compared to the IIs and IIIs getting a novel each detailing what they're all about.

[empty bloom]

I'd say Rubicon Protocol and Outcasts are currently the ones to beat for IV rep.

With SFM and Escalation being the only ones that really talk about IV augs at all.

[orchid kettle]

Rubicon has a lot of info, but I dunno if you necessarily learn anything new about IVs from Outcasts

[empty bloom]

I figure mindset and a clear differentiation between actual strength compared to the folks people compare them to.

IE the 7 foot ODST brick house that gets folded by an accidental elbow to the skull after having a quarter of the book mentioning how Thel would think the guy's a Spartan if he didn't know better.

[orchid kettle]

I wish this idea of unstable augs or aug maintenance was a larger factor