lore-and-universe

[orchid kettle]

Which may be why Keyes is fairly on the up and up, aside from how he's aware of Chief's origins and doesn't seem the slightest bit perturbed at that.

but otherwise he's pretty heroic

[wispy pewter]

the comic drew them extremely buff

I guess the show did lean towards UNSC being the baddies

[stoic hamlet]

They’ve always been the baddies, to an extent.

It’s just more nuanced, often, in the books.

[versed helm]

Everybody's the baddies in a war

[versed helm]

Oh, they drew them like the Adeptus Astartes sans the armour

[empty bloom]

Realistically that's not actually the case.

Like, the UNSC wasn't fighting a war with itself, and the Covenant's causus belli was xenocidal extermination. The UNSC's defense being to the point of experimenting with bioweapons is justified in light of that.

(For reference, utilizing WMDs on your own soil if the survival of your state is at stake is actually legal; Up to and including CBRN weaponry. If the US were invaded, we would be well within our rights to nuke our own bases if we lost enough ground.)

[wispy pewter]

There would be 12 craters on Japan if they even got close

I honestly think what gray team did was justified. Not that nuking a planet is not wrong, it's just giving them a taste of their own medicine

[carmine sleet]

Uh... Silver Team hasn't nuked a planet

And why are you talking about turning Japan into a crater?

[versed helm]

The US has 12 bases in Japan

[wispy pewter]

Oh damn it's gray team

[unique rune]

"obliterating planets is justified because they did it first" sure is a take

[fierce cradle]

@unique rune Can I DM you something?

[last anchor]

And by god we would as needed Im absolutely sure.

Huh. Isnt that what happens in World in Conflict? The US draws Russian forces into Cascade Falls and drops a nuke on em.)

I wanna know what Sycamore was honestly.

How do you make a bioweapon that works against a xeno species...

[stoic hamlet]

Trial and error, I would think.

[carmine sleet]

Aye, gotta study the species and learn how to target their DNA

[carmine sleet]

Well Jean is known for those kinds of takes

[unique rune]

Yeah...

[empty bloom]

Pretty easy. They're going to be covered in what causes the Xeno equivelant of the common cold, and such; And like humans, they'll have high concentrations of bacteria and viruses in their mouths.

So you have the body cells and the virus/bacteria, which you can modify because Halo's humanity is absolutely capable of genetic engineering.

The issue is finding ways to disperse your agent and have it work as planned.

[last anchor]

Thats where the Spartans with the MK IV Sycamore filter comes in I assume

[empty bloom]

Well, whatever the plan was, it clearly didn't work as well as was hoped.

[patent patio]

I'd say there's no actual bad people in war. They all are fighting for their own beliefs and reasons

I mean I dunno what the deal with Truth is but idk

[stoic hamlet]

The last time I went down this rabbit hole I got banned, so I’m just gonna recommend you rephrase that.

[unique rune]

Everyone may be the hero of their own story but sometimes they're just terrible people.
I feel like I don't need to go further than that.

[patent patio]

Is truth like actually bad bad tho. Like does he actually believe in his religion

[unique rune]

I mean

considering he was in on the secret about the Covenant’s entire religion being based on falsehoods and misinterpretations and used that knowledge to get more power for himself

I feel like you can do the math on that pretty easily

[patent patio]

Cool I didn't know that

Sorry not really a lore enthusiasts :< I don't know my stuff

[versed helm]

Yeah, Truth was not best San Shyum out there

[obsidian thistle]

So seems there is a soft retcon I found! 🙂 One that may change a SMALL tad how we view a weapon.

So historically sources say the MA37 is a MA5.

The MA37 (MA5 for Marines and Navy) first entered service with the UNSC in 2437, it has remained the primary service rifle of all branches of the UNSC ever since.

Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20141013183336/http://halo.bungie.net/projects/reach/article.aspx?ucc=ordnance&cid=24580

A few folks had issue with that due to how different the weapon was, but it was never really a problem lore wise.

A few other sources collaborate that source.

Now it seems that this relationship has changed.

the MA37 still remains uncontested as the primary service rifle in planetary defence spheres, despite the near-universal adoption of the MA5 by the Corps during the war.

Source: Halo Encyclopedia (2022) - Page 163

This paired with the fact the MA40 is said to use "a number of made to the MA5 production lines". While also keeping it linked to the MA37.

If the direct relationship with the MA37 and MA5 is kept. Then the MA40 gets weird.

So now I guess what I'm saying is we now have two distinct MA ICWS series currently in use!

The MA5 series, and the MA37 lineup.

Unfortunately what I showed doesnt fully retcon the old sources. More that a case could be made that a retcon happened.

But hey may make some folks happy!

Certainly made some in the Halopedia circle

(May also end the "MA37 is the first MA5 debate")

[wispy pewter]

so they have been using t for a 100 years

[obsidian thistle]

My "old" interpretation is the MA37 kept seeing improvements over the years and was akin to the MA5C circa 2552.

But this changes the interpretation

(The old one was based on a decal Bungie and at the time 343i opted to ignore)

[carmine sleet]

Speaking of weapons, are we to see the Reavian Claw as a variant of the BR75, variant of the 55 or a separate model of Battle Rifle?

[obsidian thistle]

If the weapon models share nothing from the old model AND dont have any of the old name in its name OR Lore

I view it as separate. At most an alternative

I like to view it as those BR55 Red Team found on Reach that they used during Operation First Strike

But for all its worth we dont know

[carmine sleet]

Roger that

Here's hoping we get some more info about it one day

I do like the idea of it being the First Strike BRs though

[dim talon]

So, what makes the mjolnir armor what it is?

[stoic hamlet]

The Spartan inside it, technically.

[unique rune]

This question seems too vague to provide any real response

[empty bloom]

Dense armor plating with heavy metallic fiber weaves for joint mobility. Heavy systemic shield lattice systems through ought.

Dense myomer-style musculature spread through the entire armor, controlled by physical and mental impulse.

Several dozen pounds of life support and CBRN equipment to ensure a Spartan can fight and breathe under airless moons and unbreathable stygian skies as easily as earth's surface, whether on death's door or fresh and healthy.

Neurological connections ensuring seamless parity between operator and armor, festooned with enough electronics to detect a ship leaving slipspace a thousand miles away or more.

And one post-human supersoldier clad in the plating, with ceramic or carbon nanotube-enhanced bones, dozens of augmentations, and a lifetime of warfighting experience no matter the generation of Spartan, II, III, or IV.

[carmine sleet]

And sometimes an AI too

[empty bloom]

Sometimes.

[carmine sleet]

I like the one that sounds like the Curious Cat

[empty bloom]

There's a lady in my head who says I get a pizza party if I kill enough of you.

(Circ)

[carmine sleet]

Not used Circ much, always prefered Fret and Lumu

[empty bloom]

I like Circ because she is unhinged and happy

[carmine sleet]

Fair

I like Fret for the aforementioned reason and I like Lumu because Erika Ishi is fun to have in my head while playing Halo

[empty bloom]

She says you're in Chief's league, that you'll get a pizza party, pretends to be a crowd shouting for you, and fangirls over murdering things with hardlight.

Best cheerleader AI ever.

[carmine sleet]

Oh worm

[unique rune]

I used Circ for a while. Then Iratus. And now the Superintendent. I should change back to Circ.

[empty bloom]

Iratus is... Interesting.

I don't really like him much because of his comments when you pick up a BR.

(The "Burst Fire" line annoys me)

[carmine sleet]

I think I used Iratus once?

[empty bloom]

I really don't like Butlr.

[carmine sleet]

But then swapped back to Fret so I can hear Akechi screaming any time I use the Needler

[empty bloom]

Butlr sounds too much like someone I knew back in High School who faked a British accent.

[carmine sleet]

As an actual British, I hate him for trying to sound like a posh person

[unique rune]

I always found Butlr to just be kinda boring.

[stoic hamlet]

I’m sad we didn’t end up getting that one cut AI voiced by Cherami Leigh

[bronze prawn]

why the spartans dont have integred CQC gear in their suits

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-pattinson2021-gif-18213870

[carmine sleet]

What do you mean?

[bronze prawn]

like the predators

many times they just rely on knifes or pick up energy swords

wrist blades could be very useful, specially considering their augmented strenght

[carmine sleet]

Because wristblades just aren't really common on Spartans

Like, the UNSC isn't gonna waste time making wristmounted knives for Spartans when they can just hand them a combat knife like all the marines carry

[unique rune]

Also, they like. Carry knives.

[carmine sleet]

And outside of their armour, there's not allot of Spartan exclusive gear because it'd be pointless to do so

[unique rune]

A Spartan’s integrated CQC gear is their own arms and legs. And head if it comes to it.

[carmine sleet]

Indeed

Like, Chief killed ODSTs in an organised fight while unarmoured, he doesn't need a knife to kill in CQC

(Though Chief wasn't intentionally trying to kill in that fight)

[empty bloom]

They do, sometimes. It's largely up to the Spartan.

That said, if you can casually shove your fist through the average human's skull or rip out a brute's guts in melee, you really don't need a knife.

[stoic hamlet]

They’re a,so just not actually very usable, either, despite what anime and etc would have you believe. You have no real range of motion with them and they can break easily.

[carmine sleet]

And that's why the katar will be the superior blade!!

Or just a normal knife or sword

[empty bloom]

Some of the... 🤢

Banished wrists aren't terrible.

[high elbow]

Wait, anime has been lying to me? My life is ruined

[stoic hamlet]

Those aren’t really the same as wristblates though, technically.

At least the one Rakshasa one almost seems more like a sort of parry buckler.

Where it’s brought up in front of you to deter a charging brute, or protect your head.

[empty bloom]

True.

Crimson Compliment isn't really great for melee, but fulfills a nice blocker purpose.

Sharp Bracer is similar.

Sharp Bracer is mostly similar to Doisac Kiss.

And judging by the description, Spinewatch sounds intended for a similar role, but the hooks kinda don't make sense.

As a random aside; I wonder if the new Helioskrill showcased today is still worn by the unnamed member of Fireteam Apollo.

[patent patio]

Imo, standard knives have way more utility then a blade being stuck on your arm

also

Why waste money making armored plating with blades when you can just flex tape a knife to your arm :>

[thorn ember]

I'm sorta reminded of that quote from Ace Combat Zero in regards to war.

[thorn ember]

Ask Batman that question.'

[wispy pewter]

they should have a blade on the arms that comes out like Gipsy Danger in pacific rim

[carmine sleet]

Those are meant for pure defence and parrying blades, not for offensive attack

[unique rune]

Congratulations, you now have a knife with an additional point of failure so that it can get jammed up on the battlefield.

[orchid kettle]

I really like the taser knuckles from rakshasa

[carmine sleet]

Should be noted that Pacific Rim was all about being cool as hell and isn't exactly all that based in reality

[versed helm]

Plus, Pacific Rim was NGE through the eyes of Hollywood. We all saw what those eyes did to Halo

[carmine sleet]

You mean the film that never got made and turned into District 9?

[empty bloom]

Make a bunch of utterly ridiculous redesigns then get scrapped and having ideas used for District 9 instead?

I mean, you can tell me how 'bad' we had it with Paramount, but it's not like Bungie was gonna get a better movie lmao

[sonic lagoon]

Why are flamethrowers effects against cyclopses?

[carmine sleet]

That's gameplay over lore

[sonic lagoon]

So in lore are they ineffective?

[carmine sleet]

Though I imagine being inside a metal mech while surrounded by fire wouldn't be fun regardless

[sonic lagoon]

Are flamethrowers effective against Spartans in lore?

[spark pivot]

not very

bro would move much faster than the flamethrower, and unless its napalm or somn it probably wouldnt really mess w their armor too badly

[sonic lagoon]

What if it was napalm?

[spark pivot]

no clue, idk how napalm does against titanium

[empty bloom]

The Halo Flamethrower fires napalm.

So...

[spark pivot]

oh

[empty bloom]

Realistically, not a lot of things, even mechanical things, particularly enjoy being on fire.

[spark pivot]

funny fact: the halo flamethrower isnt even a weapon, it was meant be used to clear brush

[stoic hamlet]

I mean, most knives aren’t used for fighting, they’re used to clear brush or help cut down trees. Like the Kukri.

It’s not surprising the flamethrower’s main role would be clearing brush. Even in WW1 and WW2 they struggled to be really useful once the psychological effect wore off.

[spark pivot]

it also doesnt help that you had a explosive target the size of you on your back

[sonic lagoon]

What bullets in lore are not effective against Spartan armor?

[spark pivot]

uh, probably most pistol rounds under .50 cal

im suprised the sidekick works at all tbh

it fires 10mm

[sonic lagoon]

How many MM thick is the armor?

[carmine sleet]

I chalk that up to gameplay over lore

[spark pivot]

not sure exactly, but its titanium alloy, and uhh, just go look up people shooting titanium

[spark pivot]

me too lol

[carmine sleet]

Unless the UNSC is fielding magic bullets now and we weren't told

[spark pivot]

the sidekick would be great for marines, but it loses its effectiveness as soon as you leave ODST's

[stoic hamlet]

Unless you’ve got specialist rounds you’re not penetrating MJOLNIR.

Honestly you’re probably not getting through SPI or ODST, either.

[spark pivot]

to be fair, the main rounds for the m6 pistol was SAP-HE (semi armor peircing high explosive)

[spark pivot]

ODST you can probably get through, SPI is a question of if you can get a lucky shot, although not anymore probably bc Mirage IIC is at the minimum specs for gen 3 mjolnir, which by itself is probably a hard time to get through

[carmine sleet]

Sure but Magnums aren't exactly a traditional sidearm, they're meant to have much more stopping power than a standard pistol

[spark pivot]

m6 is the standard issue pistol '-'

[carmine sleet]

I'm talking in regards to real world weapons

[spark pivot]

fair

[carmine sleet]

Heck, I barely use the hand cannons in Resident Evil because it's just not the kind of pistol I like

[stoic hamlet]

Regarding the 10mm sidekick, Veta Lopis’ has an SAS-10 in Last Light chambered in 10mm, and Fred notes it “wouldn’t even scratch his paint”, though he was likely embellishing.

[spark pivot]

not really, tbh all it would really do would be scratch the paint

the most that happens is he has a few nanometers of lead plating on his armor now

you need to really pack a punch to do more than discolor titanium

[stoic hamlet]

I meant he embellished by saying it wouldn’t scratch the paint. But yeah.

And then even regular marine BDU is good enough to stop a few MA5 rounds, with Sergeant Lopez taking a trio point blank to her chest plate in The Mona Lisa, and only really getting knocked over.

[spark pivot]

tbf it could probably stop the rounds, but you're likely going to have broken ribs/internal bleeding

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah.

[empty bloom]

UNSC's Titanium is well above whatever titanium we use.

[empty bloom]

I mean, she didn't.

Going off of armor feats, I generally assume even the .50 BMG is not penetrating actual Spartan armor, at least not right away, if it is hitting the hard plates.

Soft coverings, you're shrugging off AR rounds.

I mean, the former isn't gonna feel great, and likely is hurting some internal stuff, but nothing a Spartan won't heal from.

And like, yeah, a Spartan getting magdumped with an AR in the head at point blank isn't gonna be feeling the greatest.

[orchid kettle]

Enter the nefarious Scruggs and his Spartan-slaying SAW

[empty bloom]

The comic characters had a little bit of an 'oopsy' there.

IDK. Maybe he had The Answer and that's why he won.

[versed helm]

Is the kenkuri knife a UNSC standard knife? Or is there another type of blade that the Spartans used

[empty bloom]

Spartans use a lot of different knives.

It's largely up to personal choice.

The M11 is apparently the standard for the Spartan branch, allegedly.

[orchid kettle]

I have no idea how accurate this would be in reality since we're dealing with scifi energy shields to begin with, but I once wrote a lil thing where a Brute got lathered in napalm, and while his shields protected him from actually being burned, they couldn't stop him from suffocating. Either from smoke inhalation or the fire around his head burning up all the oxygen around his mouth or whatever.

[versed helm]

Really? I would think the kenkuri would be, I’ve seen in a lot of different art for Spartans.

[empty bloom]

Emile's the only Spartan who ever actually canonically lugged one around that's specifically named.

[orchid kettle]

that's not the Spartan Field Manual knife

😏

[versed helm]

Oh, well that is a bit of a bummer

[empty bloom]

Eh, like Emile, it's overrated.

[empty bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/yuckers-yummers-homelander-its-yummers-gif-10513465113292340707

But yeah known knife models are pretty diverse

Just like real life

[orchid kettle]

the 26th century ka-bar

[empty bloom]

Soldiers like their knives. Wouldn't surprise me if a cool knife is a prize for some Spartan commendation in the Spartan branch or something.

[versed helm]

Yeah you’re right

I wouldn’t mind having a Jim Bowie knife if I was in the UNSC.

[stoic hamlet]

Knives also have more utility than just killing, as well. Even Spartans would want some utility with their blades.

[orchid kettle]

for me its the blamite knife from Contact Harvest

[empty bloom]

Still wish we'd see more hatchets, batons, etc

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah.

[orchid kettle]

we have the shovel

what more could you want

[stoic hamlet]

I’m glad we got the E-Tool

[empty bloom]

We have a shovel and a hatchet, but that's about it.

[stoic hamlet]

Where’s the hatchet?

[orchid kettle]

i dunno how effective itd be as a melee weapon considering it folds in half

[stoic hamlet]

Ah

[empty bloom]

Oh, yeah, in a Spartan's hands it is not gonna last long.

[versed helm]

What about an Swiss Army knife I wonder if they have revised it

[empty bloom]

There's also a brute shaving razor.

[glossy tartan]

i have a question. sometimes i see the arbiter's last name written as "'vadam" and other times as "'vadamee"

why is there 2 es at the end sometimes?

i've also seen shipmaster's name spelled as "'vadumee"

[carmine sleet]

The "ee" is a suffix that denotes an Elite serving within the Covenant

When the Covenant betrayed the Elites, many stopped using the suffix

Another suffix that is still in use is "ai", as seen in Jega 'Rdomnai, which denotes a master swordsman

[glossy tartan]

huh, neat

[split raft]

Is there a possibility that noble six survived reach?

[carmine sleet]

No

Six is super dead

[glossy tartan]

are there any other elite suffixes or is it just ee and ai

[thorn spindle]

he got hyper killed

[gusty star]

We know of at least two others:

-ro: Indicates individual holds a position in public office

-dai: Indicates individual is a sword master in specifically the short-path method of combat

There are likely more we’ve seen that we just didn’t know were suffixes

[split raft]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

[autumn coral]

Don't some elites have a little plasma spike imbedded in their forearm armor? What is that thing called?

[inland lion]

do you have an image

[carmine sleet]

Energy dagger, seen in Reach

[autumn coral]

Found it!
https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Energy_Dagger

[gusty star]

Wrong. That’s Halo Fandom

Don’t use that

Go to Halopedia

[empty bloom]

Yeah, Halopedia's the better source for pretty much everything.

[last anchor]

Weapons right, at least

[empty bloom]

I can't remember if it was fandom or the fanon wiki that had like, dozens of ammo that's never shown up.

[carmine sleet]

I imagine that it'd be the fanon wiki

[thorn spindle]

i thought it was that energy shield that the elite had in that first halo showcase

like the forearm shield not their armor shield

[carmine sleet]

You know, I wonder what Escharum was suffering from in Infinite? Like, some sort of illness for sure but what kind?

[thorn spindle]

old man disease

[empty bloom]

I'd assume cancer, but brutes also are the shortest lived (Natural lifespan wise) Covenant species IIRC.

Soooo it could also be any number of things; With such high competition in brute culture, aging brutes would likely be frequently overstressing their lungs.

And that'd make them susceptable to whatever their equivelants to particulates are; From infections to simple dust.

[spark pivot]

Radiation sickness?

They arent exactly big on safety

[carmine sleet]

If it was cancer, I wonder how much research the Covenant had put into dealing with it?

[empty bloom]

Well, I imagine the genetic degredation of the Prophets lead to them aggressively working on cures for it.

[carmine sleet]

Fair

[empty bloom]

As for everyone else... Elites have cultural reasons to see cancer as genetic darwinism, Brutes have cultural reasons to see it the same way; Grunts don't generally live long enough to care; Hunters likely shed cancer-stricken worms; Engineers are engineered so thus likely can't suffer from it; Drones don't live long enough; Jackals... Iffy, we know nothing about jackals and their relationship with medicine.

And on the fringe; Dazreme likely don't have a lot of knowhow on the subject that doesn't use forerunner tech, Sharquoi are dumb brutes, and Yonhet are culturally close enough to humanity that I can see them having human-style approaches to medicine, if lesser.

[carmine sleet]

Yeah

No doubt Arbiter would challenge that regarding how his people see it

[versed helm]

Question: I heard something about Humans finding species that have gone extinct on Earth inhabiting other worlds in the Halo universe, is that actually true?

[unique rune]

no

Reach had large birds named moa because they were similar to extinct Earth moa but they are not directly related as far as we know

[versed helm]

I knew something seemed weird about that as I haven't seen any verification about these "sightings"

[versed helm]

I mean like I heard Woolly Mammoth-like creatures with 4 tusks were found on a random Forerunner installation, and elephants on Earth had 4 tusks at one point millions of years ago.

sorry for the ping btw

[unique rune]

I’m like 99% sure there’s never been anything of that sort mentioned

[versed helm]

must've been either a dream or the internet tricked me yet again

dunno where I got it from either

[carmine sleet]

Also it's not impossible for convergent evolution to happen where two creatures on completely different planets evolve to have similar traits

[unique rune]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s some derived from some sort of lore tidbit that ended up horribly mutated over time due to a game of Internet telephone

[versed helm]

Sounds about right. Also I promise I didn't get it from some YouTuber, I remember it being on some wiki page but I don't remember how I got to said wiki page

ah got it from this https://www.halopedia.org/Mammoth_(Installation_00)

[empty bloom]

IIRC there have been several animals very close to those seen on Earth, but nothing specific.

[versed helm]

I mean I wouldn't be surprised if The Librarian took some Mammoths to be reseeded elsewhere after the Halo array was fired

I mean if they can do that to intelligent lifeforms whats stopping them from bringing aboard wildlife as well?

like lets be real here: where are humans going to find meat after they arrive back at Earth post-Halo firing if all the wildlife was likely wiped clean from the planet's surface?

[unique rune]

IIRC they did include less intelligent lifeforms which is where all the reseeded planets got their flora and fauna from

[versed helm]

that explains it then

because there's no way the intelligent lifeforms like humans wouldn't starve without having prey or plants around while they reestablish civilization.

heck, I can't even go an entire day without eating lol

[tired peak]

Canablizabesim exist*

My spelling is so bad LoL

[thorn spindle]

canablitzem*

[unique rune]

cannonballism

[versed helm]

Most odst and marines had “dumb” ai right?

[empty bloom]

IIRC the only dumb AIs seen in use by unaugmented personnel thus far have been in special forces units or deployed at roughly the Battalion level.

[versed helm]

Ah okay

[bronze prawn]

are the Pheru extint

you know the pet species that was given the precursor dust and eventually mutate into horrible flood forms

[empty bloom]

Yep

[bronze prawn]

thats too bad

they looked cute

[sonic lagoon]

Do any of the spaceships have anchors? ⚓️

[carmine sleet]

Like the ones seen on ships that sail Earth's oceans?

What would they be trying to use one of those for in space?

[dusk jetty]

There has to be gravity for an anchor to work…

[carmine sleet]

Exactly

Like, dropping an anchor into space just means it's gonna be floating next to you

[versed helm]

Could just anchor onto an asteroid

[carmine sleet]

Then you'll be dragging it along with you

Or get slung in a direction you don't want to be going in depending on the mass of the asteroid

[versed helm]

I mean reverse thruster could be an anchor

Actually I take that back, that’s more of a break than a anchor

[carmine sleet]

I'm pretty certain Jelly is talking about the real world anchors given how they've asked similar questions in the past

[orchid kettle]

I imagine you "anchor" yourself by just finding some steady orbit near some other planetary body

[carmine sleet]

Aye, no need for any physical anchor

[thorn spindle]

what species is closest to crab?

[carmine sleet]

Grunts

[patent patio]

Unless you put in thrusters or whatever on it idk

But like how practical is a spaceship to have anchor?

[thorn spindle]

i think they mean like stuck in orbit via gravity acting as anchor like moon or space station

maybe in future each planet has an orbital anchor u can just park your stuff in certain area / circle of space

empty space

[carmine sleet]

Jelly's questions normally refer to things currently possible and/or used in the real world and they've not yet indicated as such what they mean so I had to assume they meant ship anchors, not objects orbiting other objects

[thorn spindle]

wut like a giant anchor aircraft carriers use?

[carmine sleet]

Aye

[versed helm]

why would they

if anything if ships had anchors in space they'd be all sorts of screwed when near a black hole let alone any celestial object with a gargantuan gravitational force

[spark pivot]

they'd be screwed anyways in that case, anchors or not

[versed helm]

fair

[sonic lagoon]

How would ODSTs fare against Power Armored Brotherhood of Steel members?

[high elbow]

Helljumpers would definitely loose in a fist fight. Otherwise i feel like it’s a matter of equipment

[stoic hamlet]

They’d probably do much better. Assuming they had a B-Net connection/uplink.

People really underestimate the B-Net’s capabilities.

[orchid kettle]

I guess it probably depends on how effective fallout weaponry is on ODST armor and vice versa

People always talk about human armor getting a special coating that makes it resistant to plasma weapons, but I honestly don't know if we've really seen this in action outside of Spartans

or if it does exist, if it really makes a meaningful difference

[thorn spindle]

gotta armor all marines with reinforced carbon carbon and other thermal shields

how much impact force does plasma bolt have

[empty bloom]

We have, TJ Murphy.

Takes a full pulse carbine burst to the plate and is able to ditch it before it hurt him.

The second burst, on the other hand

[high elbow]

Oh yeah no for sure. Assuming it’s a faction vs faction scenario and not a 1v1 as I assumed, the ODSTs have this in the park.

[carmine sleet]

This ODST vs Brotherhood of Steel conversation is reminding me of a conversation I had years ago with someone about who has the better power armour, the Spartans or the Brotherhood of Steel. Like, the person I was speaking with was convinced Mjolnir wasn't good at all

[orchid kettle]

To be fair, if you were a normal person, MJOLNIR would be pretty worthless to you

unless you like being turned into a pretzel

[carmine sleet]

True

But like, the person was trying to tell me that Mjolnir would be useless against everything in Fallout, despite the fact that we know it would be useful

[stoic hamlet]

People forget that when they were developing Power Armour they were already resource starved.

But that’s just not true for MJOLNIR.

[carmine sleet]

Aye

[pulsar osprey]

Question how did half jaw lose his half of his jaw?

[unique rune]

Lost it in a sword duel dealing with a Flood infestation aboard a Covenant vessel during the events surrounding Installation 04.

[carmine sleet]

This comic which has more details https://www.halopedia.org/The_Last_Voyage_of_the_Infinite_Succor

[unique rune]

Very curious if there's any significance to the Thermaleon helmet seemingly being based on Rtas specifically.

[carmine sleet]

Aye, it is odd from a lore standpoint it's based on his features

Like if both sides featured mandibles, it'd just be simply detailing and we'd all be going "Oh, I guess the Elites that made this helmet wanted it to look more Elite-like"

And if both sides lacked mandibles it'd not be noticeable

[pine yew]

id imagine its purely because the operation is centered around halo 2's birthday

oh i forgot this is the lore channel whoops

maybe his "half jaw" became a sort of calling card following the end of the war? i know the mark of shame became a sort of rallying banner under the arbiter, maybe something similar happened with rtas' forces?

[stoic hamlet]

Rtas brings all the boys to the yard.

[pine yew]

he kinda was the big sangheili general that helped forge the alliance with humans, like yeah arbiter was the figurehead but it was rtas' ship that came to earth and bolstered our forces, it was his ship that went to the ark

[thorn spindle]

Do jackals have feathers?

[orchid kettle]

Skirmishers seem to

otherwise they have "quills"

[last anchor]

Same base of production, really.
Quills are just feathers without branching extentions.

Peel the "soft" bits off a feather and you'll find a hard stylus at the center, basically a quill.

[obsidian thistle]

Hey thank you all for being an amazing community to record Halo information for! (Halopedia turned 20 today and I am just thankful to ya lot and so many others)

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-halo-dance-dont-start-now-emote-gif-19811461

Happy 20 years!

[steel stone]

I remember seeing seeing these on youtube they looked so detailed and so gory

I loved the comic with Chief on the Forerunner Dreadnaught trying to reach Truth, felt like it was a mission that we missed out on in Halo 2

[peak garden]

I know this is not lore, but what is the coldest line in halo? For me it is, “I am a monument to all of your sins” From the gravemind in halo 2 I believe.

[tired peak]

i though he said that in halo 3

[stoic hamlet]

Halo 2, first time you meet him.

[tired peak]

nvm it was halo 2 just looked it up

UNSC infinity time

unitl i finnaly get tired

Infinity is a ship so unquie that is has its own ship class(Punic Class Destroyer).

The infiity can be devided up into 4 sections- Hull section 1-4.
1 is the front of the ship with its front faceing wepons
2 is the crew quarter area
3 is the underbelly ports

4 is the engines

like any other vehical in the UNSC that all ultize Titanium, not any kind of tititium but Titanium 50 due to its unqie intercations with Plasma based wepons such wish that the covandent greatley ultizase

it has 22 protons 28 neturons and 22 electrons. (add the protones and neturons for the 50 in titanium 50)

the ship is slight larger than a covandet CAC

with a size of
L 5,694.2 FT
W 2,733.9 FT
H 1,041.2 FT

it was created in the Oord clould that is located singniftley close to the SOL Syetem being only between 1k to 100k light years away

it took 9 years to make and whould of been 8 years if there wasnt an hijacking event by a rouge spartan

welp im tired now

Good night yall

so just watch thishttps://youtu.be/pngSo_Lt2oM

or even this https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SXHMnicI6Pg?feature=share

[carmine sleet]

Infinity isn't a Punic at all, it's an Infinity-class supercarrier

[tired peak]

you can blame halo peida then

[carmine sleet]

Halopedia has it correctly listed

[tired peak]

or was it halo fandom

one of the 2

its to early

and all i been doinf is rick rolling peplie

[obsidian thistle]

Ships are one of the most careful curated things on the pedia. Helps we have someone who cares about them on the team!

[carmine sleet]

Indeed

I just don't get how they got the idea that Infinity is a Punic when it's always been its own class of ship

[wispy pewter]

They have transportation inside the ship

[gusty star]

That guy can barely spell and also stayed up three hours past announcing he was going to bed, so who knows what goes on in his mind

[empty bloom]

Scorp is certainly a character like that.

I do wish we'd see the Punic more often.

Gets kinda boring seeing frigates all the time.

[unique rune]

relatable tbh

[stoic hamlet]

I’m hoping Empty Throne gives us some good fleet action.

[rustic jasper]

chat i got a question

how strong are the canon energy shields?

[rustic jasper]

i’m talking about the shields on a spartan and an elite

[stoic hamlet]

Spartans are generally stronger. Until you get to Zealots where it somewhat evens out, Minor’s and Majors, and Ultras are quite flimsy, comparatively.

[rustic jasper]

i see, but it seems to be inconsistent

chief’s shields can tank autocannons and 3 shots from a ma5b drop it by a “hairbreadth” while an elite’s shields can be dropped with a single shot

[stoic hamlet]

It’s dependant on the type of Elite.

Spartan shields are also derived from Jackal Energy Gauntlets, not Sangheili combat harnesses.

[rustic jasper]

is that why they’re as strong as they are in lore

[stoic hamlet]

As far as we know, yes. Per the fall of reach, anyways.

[orchid kettle]

Energy shields may also differ writer from writer, scene to scene, for reasons that have nothing to do with lore

Pacing, I imagine, is a big reason, especially in any visual medium where Chief seems to mow down Elites as if they're wearing nothing but paper for armor

[rustic jasper]

that is so weird

[carmine sleet]

That's how it is when you have multiple writers working on expanded media

Star Wars also has stuff like this where the effectiveness of certain things varies between writer and medium

[orchid kettle]

Chances are, there is no definitive number for how durable shields are in Halo, and the writer likely isn't calculating how many kilojoules does a Brute punch deliver anyway

So everything is just kinda up to the writer's interpretation.

[last anchor]

Dont get me started on 40k lasguns...

[carmine sleet]

I won't ask, I keep myself away from 40K as much as possible

[orchid kettle]

reading the fan wiki article for lasguns was quite an experience

"These weapons are often derided as mere laser pointers, only useful in large, overwhelming numbers."

"Also it can kill a Space Marine if you aim it juuuuuuuust right."

[last anchor]

Sometimes they scour the paint off ceramite and you have to aim for the eye lenses or the joints
Other times, they vaporize whole chunks of plate with each burst and if you have a well disciplined fireteam you can bring a target down in seconds.

[fair hazel]

Energy shields do get stronger over time. Halo 3 vs halo infinite case in point

[empty bloom]

A few seconds after taking damage, specifically.

[feral jungle]

just finished Contact Harvest. I really liked the AI focus in that. any other books people would recommend that have heavy AI character involvement?

[versed helm]

The kilo five trilogy

[orchid kettle]

Cortana is a pretty common POV character in First Strike

[obsidian thistle]

Halo Fractures has a story called Saints Testamony in it

[glacial coral]

Hello. I have two questions for everyone here.

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/ask-away-lauren-german-chloe-decker-lucifer-go-on-shoot-gif-17389987

[glacial coral]

Question one. Are y'all familiar with the Canon Fodder lore drops on Waypoint?

[orchid kettle]

Best I can do is one answer and one vague non-answer

[orchid kettle]

Perhaps.

[carmine sleet]

Aye

[glacial coral]

Okay. Well I've trying to find an archive of all the lore stories put up there. Not the Waypoint Chronicles. The other fiction they post.

I'm trying to make a physical printed archive of all digital-only Halo lore. But at the moment I don't have time to search through over 150 posts.

[glacial coral]

So question 2 is, does anyone know where an archive is?

[gusty star]

https://www.halopedia.org/Canon_Fodder/Archive

[glacial coral]

Thank you.

[teal forum]

https://youtu.be/Z5N0BWNJ0FY?si=O6HOZkI2rSlJv5D6

[lone plover]

given spartan"s size....should we just straight up give them m2 50 cal as main weapon?

like....50cal machine gun with stocks and use it like it a assault rifle

[unique rune]

no

[stoic hamlet]

No

[stoic hamlet]

We answered this the last time you asked:

#lore-and-universe message

The answers won’t change.

[last anchor]

Jorge already did that, its called carting around an M247H

No, the inside of the 247 is not propriotary, I refuse to believe its anything but an upgauged Ma Duce

[lone plover]

sorry i forgot....

[wispy pewter]

Automatic anti material rifle

[versed helm]

I’m writing something about halo and I have a couple questions, what is the standard frigate for odst drop pods and like what was the most common frigate during the human-covenant war. What were most frigates interior like and where did most of the fighting happen besides the rings and earth

[orchid kettle]

There's not really a "standard frigate for odst drop pods". Seemingly, any warship larger than a corvette can launch ODSTs, be it a frigate, cruiser, or whatever. But the Charon and Stalwart class, the types seen in Halo 3 and Halo 2 respectively, are light frigates with multi-mission capabilities, while it seems like the Paris from Reach is mainly for combat.

[versed helm]

Ah okay, because I was looking into the frigates and I was a bit confused which ones drop odst or not so I decided to ask here

[orchid kettle]

I don't remember if the interior of a frigate is explained in any great detail, but I imagine a ship that was built with functionality first and foremost, and comfort for the crew and marines aboard would be a tertiary consideration at best. You gotta be efficient with weight in space, after all, so I doubt its particularly spacious or cozy.

[versed helm]

Would like a barracks room filled with like 12 bunks be too big?

[orchid kettle]

it is shaped like a big gun with wings, it doesn't seem like there's a lot of avenues for people to move from one end of the ship to the other

[orchid kettle]

Honestly there may not even really be "barracks", at least not for Marines.

quarters for the crew so they can rest between shifts during long slipspace journeys, probably, but that's probably little more than a cot in a closet.

[versed helm]

Ah, well that throws a wrench into some of my plans

[orchid kettle]

Yeah, the way Halo's set up, Marines seem to spend as much suspended in cryo as they do awake and fighting

They don't really just hang out

[versed helm]

Infinity class would be really the only example for like barracks and other stuff would it?

[orchid kettle]

In my own writing I was thinking of a potential workaround being that the Marines are thawed out about 24 hours before the ship exits slipspace to make sure the Marines can eat and let any disorientation from cryosleep pass

maybe less than 24 hours if you don't want to commit space to them actually sleeping in bunks

[versed helm]

I forget that cryo was a major part in the Halo universe

[orchid kettle]

honestly I think the writers do too sometimes

like lately we've had characters getting around in Condors, which are just Pelicans with a slipspace drives strapped to their butts

but like-- it takes weeks or months to get anywhere in Halo. And there are no cryopods. What are they doing in the meantime, exactly?

Where is the bathroom

[versed helm]

Who knows where it’s at maybe it’s just a plastic container that they use the bathroom in and have an ejection chute.

[orchid kettle]

there is a bucket in the corner. Everyone politely looks away.

[unique rune]

community piss drawer

[versed helm]

100 push ups for staring

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

This is me seeing the conversation right now

[orchid kettle]

but yeah if you wanted like a scene of Marines just hanging out on a ship, I think its possible, it'd just probably be like, in the cafeteria or in the armory while they're gearing up

[versed helm]

Ah okay thank you I’ll work something

Imagination is key

[stoic hamlet]

Per Warfleet, most naval crew had a single sleeping pod for themselves, but would often share the same pod with another person if they needed.

Marines were basically in cryo for the entire trip. Heck, in Dirt, the ODST’s are only woken up during a battle because the captain is worried they’ll be boarded.

It might take a ship three weeks to leave a system, but the marines are going to be sleeping for the entire duration, and that’s not even counting Slipspace.

[high elbow]

It makes sense to keep everyone iced until they’re called upon to serve. Less of a drain on food that way.

Also very depressing to think about. Serve for 20 years, spend most on ice mostly without aging, return home to find any friends and family you have left that much older. F in the chat for Captain Cutter

[orchid kettle]

They apparently get leave, at least.

No clue how often.

[high elbow]

It makes sense for them to get leave. The on ship greenhouse probably can’t compare to the physical act of being planet side for some time

[vestal carbon]

Have any of the books ever touched base on how cryo sleep affects the aging of the human body?

[orchid kettle]

It basically halts it.

I find it strange honestly how the SoF crew can sleep for 30 years without any health complications, personally

but I guess if there were any complications or side effects, they were either super minor or didn't happen to the characters we care about

[carmine sleet]

Don't forget Cutter waking up looking younger (I know, different actor playing him but still, it's funny to me)

[vestal carbon]

So if it halts it would the life expectancy of humans be drastically longer then since the invention of cryo sleep ?

[high elbow]

New Blood mentions it directly I think.

[orchid kettle]

Sure. But it's not necessarily something every average citizen deals with.

[high elbow]

It’s like Spiders Georg. Cryo sleepers are an outlier and should not be taken into consideration

[unique rune]

Also I don't know if I'd really consider being stuck in a fridge functionally near-dead and unable to do anything a meaningful extension of life expectancy

[wispy pewter]

Yeah that's how cyro works in sci fi

[versed helm]

I just noticed a new audio book is coming out with an Elite Councilor and Avitus. A potential new legendary Elite swordsmen?

[last anchor]

Possibly. Though something tells me he's not making it to the end

[tired peak]

spartan lazer existed for 2 games****

[carmine sleet]

Splaser was in more than two games and wasn't exclusively used by Spartans

[timid trail]

Word

[last anchor]

Lets see...
First officially appears in Halo 3
Wielded by Jerome in both Halo Wars (meaning it was operational as early as 2531, boy that got some eyebrows raised)
In ODST, Reach, 4 and 5.

Its a savagley satistfying weapon either way. I miss it.

[orchid kettle]

how often did the spartan laser show up in 3's campaign besides you spawning with it at the start of The Covenant

[carmine sleet]

Final mission, in Johnson's hands

Though it should be noted that it's found in Dutch's hands in ODST on both levels you play as him, as well as being used by an Army trooper on Exodus in Reach and being found on Pillar of Autumn in the cave right before Boneyard

Oh! And the crashed Pelican at the start of The Covenant featured a Splaser in the wreckage (I think it depends on difficulty selected though)

[stoic hamlet]

Tbh, I always liked that detail.

Though I felt it should have been vehicle mounted first.

Like, it was already a thing on some aircraft or tanks, then ported to infantry use… but it seems almost like the opposite is true, and I don’t understand it.

[last anchor]

I'm fairly sure that's what the case was

It started off on the Hawk and then they made a man portable version

[muted raft]

Brutes vs master chief, nearly unkillable
brutes vs seargent johnson, a little squishier but still damn hard to kill
Brutes vs some random civilian with a 10mm pistol, weaker than a grunt
:/

[fair hazel]

Waypoint chronicle!

[versed helm]

Indeed you were right. I so dearly wished for the High Councillor and Avitus to duke it out.

Ultimate agility vs ultimate strength

Ultimate intelligence vs ultimate brutality

Ultimate precision vs ultimate pulverization

Whenever a notable Brute and Elite engage in a fight to the death, it’s becomes a spectacle for the fandom.

[wispy pewter]

Brutes are always 900 kilograms when the plot needs it to be. Otherwise they are just there to die

[versed helm]

Maybe it was a pistol amped by the precursors

[pine yew]

just imagine the damage if it was 11mm

[spark pivot]

Didnt a brute manhandle the heck out of chief?

[empty bloom]

Caught him in a bearhug, but Chief was pointedly injured, in heavily damaged armor, and fighting for about a week straight.

Chief also won that fight without aid.

Also... Brutes die to regular guns pretty often, an unarmored Spartan would.

[muted raft]

And then they go ahead and Shrug of full mags from ma5bs in the Cole protocol

[empty bloom]

But then Chief and crew dome them in short bursts. Best not to think too hard about how hard it is to kill a brute.

[muted raft]

Were let to beleive the brutes drive to kill is so strong they will ignore life threatening injuries to finish the job, but mark, a spartan 3 with a knife just slits their throat and they don't fight back while they bleed out

[stoic hamlet]

I mean, adrenaline even among humans can cause that sort of variance.

If you get a good shot, you drop, but if the shot is poor, the cut not deep enough, and etc, you could tske dozens of stabs or cuts or gunshots to bring down.

[thorn spindle]

whenever i got adrenaline from big injury i just become like zombie, can barely walk and if i tried to talk i couldnt hear if i did. it seemed to be more like a mumble moan to my senses

but at least it masked the pain so its worth it. Maybe thats just me in shock tho and not just adrenaline

[sick agate]

Are the AIs in multiplayer dumb ai?

[stoic hamlet]

The ones in Infinite? Yes.

[patent patio]

Even Iratus?

[empty bloom]

The Iratus you use is a defanged (allegedly) copy. More an emulation that's been heavily downgraded.

[patent patio]

Ah alr

[wispy pewter]

Huh, I thought Iratus was an AI from a dead brutes 🧠

[obsidian thistle]

The "main" Iratus is created from a Jiralhanae brain.

The one we can equip in multiplayer is a copy made based on it

[wispy pewter]

Oo

[grim viper]

Can somebody tell me what happened after the human covenant war?

[pine yew]

well... a few things happened

for starters, every one of 343's games takes place after the end of the war

and also most of the books released in the last 15 years take place after, except the forerunner trilogy

[carmine sleet]

And Silent Storm and Oblivion are during the war

[pine yew]

its really hard to get specific about what happened "after the war" because theres so much.. it'd be like asking "what happened after the industrial revolution"

[wispy pewter]

Halo happened

[grim viper]

Yeah but like,in halo infinite or any other 343 games we are fighting,in halo 4 we still fight the covenants and some other guys in Requiem then in halo 5 we fight idk who coz i dont have halo 5 and then we have the banished in halo infinite (and covenants) so we fight covenants after the human-covenant war ended???

[carmine sleet]

Splinter factions consisting of Covenant warriors that have varying reasons to fight humanity

In Halo 4 and 5, we fight Jul 'Mdama's Covenant

In Spartan Assault, we fight Merg Vol's Covenant

And then there's other groups like Castor's Keepers of the One Freedom

[grim viper]

And why are those fighting us?

[pine yew]

if i remember correctly, jul is just racist? he knows that forerunners arent gods like the covenant said but he still hates humanity and wants to wipe us out, he thinks the arbiter's peace deal with humans was made out of cowardice

but i havent kept up with castor and merg vol, ive been meaning to read up on them though

[orchid kettle]

So yeah at first, 343's best idea was that the Elites didn't like that we had so many dang colonies

Despite having a ton of colonies themselves

Then Jul gets kidnapped by ONI because he walked in on them making a deal with the leader of the Sangheili Anti-Human Club he joined, and that's more so why he specifically hates humans so gosh darn much.

Now though anti-human Sangheili have a bit more motivation, as we've learned in Envoy that Spartan Gray Team accidentally nuked an entire Sangheili world because they didn't know the war was over.

In the Suban waypoint chronicle, we also hear that ONI being the ones fueling the Sangheili civil war, which is what Jul discovered, has become a far-reaching rumor. Giving Sangheili antagonists further reason to dislike us.

As for Castor-- dude was just a true believer in the Covenant's goal of the Great Journey, but there are humans in his faction so clearly he doesn't follow everything the prophets once said.

[empty bloom]

Since when has that ever stopped a formerly pseudo-Imperialist from being pseudo-Imperialist

"We have plenty of colonies, so I guess you guys can have some" is something I'd never imagine any species used to playing space super empire saying, lmao

[orchid kettle]

It's just not a motivation with any real weight in Halo's narrative

[empty bloom]

That's a goofy angle to go off and I wish you luck in convincing someone else of it.

[orchid kettle]

Jul after all immediately acquires a more personal reason to wage a crusade against the UNSC, as does Jul Jr I guess

[pine yew]

theres a jul jr?

[orchid kettle]

Thankfully I don't have to because it's such a minor element that most people even forget that it was supposed to be the initial motivation.

[orchid kettle]

Yeah his mom dies in a battle and he blames the UNSC

I always find it interesting how fans come away from Kilo-5 thinking ONI is infallible or cunning when it kinda seems like the point is that ONI basically made a lot of these problems it now has to clean up in the post-war era

HtT season 1 I think has a similar vibe if you don't buy the idea that it was some weirdly elaborate setup to scapegoat an up until then loyal asset

In how ONI was just so full of themselves that they were about to release a Master Chief origins documentary that was rife with inaccuracies and easy to fact check errors

[orchid kettle]

Its also more so the issue of why this is even a pressing concern right this second. Alien characters in a scifi are allowed to be every bit as racist as humans, there's just no real reason for the Sangheili to feel this strong about it that they'd launch into a bloody civil war about foreign relations with some monkies in nowhere space.

Not when the Jiralhanae and San Shyuum are out there and far more deserving of their ire

Its why I say that Glyke is the missing ingredient. It and the nova bomb shatter the Sangheili image of perceived security, and cement being on the wrong end of human vengeance as an actual cultural fear for 'Telcam and ONI to prey upon

"Better us than them"

[tired peak]

1. Every ODST becane a SPARTAN-IV or retired

2. lots of covandent spliter fractions

the dicated is walking around in a desert attacking spartan black team

ditack*

i cant spell

[empty bloom]

Not true in the slightest.

[unique rune]

The ODSTs were all sent to a farm upstate where they can run free

[empty bloom]

Based, if only they stopped mailing their armor.

[grim viper]

So they become normal ppl?

Not engaged in the UNSC

Oh and how many of all the ODSTs survived the human-covenant war?

[unique rune]

…That was a joke.

[grim viper]

Oh..

[empty bloom]

I don't say things for no reason.

ODSTs were always just on the same Performance enhancers as normal humans; Good old steroids and cortisols.

They aren't augmented, just muscle-headed jocks at worst.

[empty bloom]

ODSTs survived as a special forces unit post-war. Most Spartan IVs who have been revealed since Halo 4have been non-ODSTs.

Halo Infinite has audio logs specifcally calling out ODST units, and Rubicon Protocol points out that they not only exist but are still heavily utilized by Infinity personnel.

[orchid kettle]

Kinda the thing with the post-war setting is that stories either expand past the UNSC, or when the UNSC is involved, its largely restricted to just Spartans and maybe ONI agents.

Or a diplomat recruited by ONI in the case of Envoy.

Conflicts, outside of the games, aren't really about these huge epic planet-wide battles, so Marines and shock troops don't really get a chance to shine.

[tired peak]

So 90% of the odst did not become spartans?

[orchid kettle]

343 may also be hesitant to show them directly in a post-war game because during Halo 5's development, they apparently toyed around with the idea of giving ODSTs an exoskeleton. Power armor similar to what we've been seeing recently with OSTEO being available on the market for normies.

But apparently they didn't see this as a new development in-lore-- they actually planned this as a way to retroactively explain away ODST's gameplay

[orchid kettle]

That's correct. ODSTs aren't quite as few in number as you may have been led to believe. Every ship larger than a corvette appears to have drop pods, after all, and if the Stalwart/Infinity is any indication, they could comprise as much as 10% of the Marine Corps.

in the Stalwart's case, or maybe more accurately, the In Amber Clad, the rate was 25%, but it's probably not that drastic.

[tired peak]

Then where the "hell" did the Helljumperz go?

Bad pun 5

[orchid kettle]

Conveniently off screen, perhaps because 343/HS doesn't quite know what their post-war design should be.

[carmine sleet]

Also quite probable that the ODSTs were not featured in H4, H5 and Infinite because they focused resources elsewhere as they're not all that different from standard marines when it comes to the gameplay

Plus when you look at 5 specifically, there isn't anywhere in that game's story where ODSTs would make sense to appear

[orchid kettle]

It does feel like it wouldn't have been too hard with Infinite since they could have just taken the Reach ODST armor pieces, slapped them on an Infinite marine, recreating what Bungie did back in 2010.

But I guess its debatable if the Reach ODST was even really meant to be its own design, or if Bungie just slapped something together to represent them, but it wasn't like, hard canon or whatever

If I recall, we've been told that the Bullfrogs were originally just Army dudes with jetpacks, and it makes me wonder if ODSTs were added in at more or less the last second

[carmine sleet]

Wouldn't surprise me

And the textures for the ODST armour the player can use in multiplayer can be used on the marine version too so either it was made for the Spartans first, then brought over to the marine rig to create ODSTs, or they made the armour pieces for the ODSTs then brought those pieces to the player rig so players can cosplay as ODSTs

[wispy pewter]

343 forgot ODST's existed

[carmine sleet]

They didn't

Let's not try and push the idea that they forgot about them, especially when we have seen them give us multiple armour sets based off of the ODSTs in multiple games

[stoic hamlet]

Also they appear in the books quite frequently.

Which makes sense. They’re a book creation, first and foremost

[carmine sleet]

Aye

[pine yew]

and also there's been concept art in almost every game, indicating they were intended to appear but likely got scrapped for time

not to mention that time 343 pitched a new ODST game and it got shot down by microsoft

if it were up to the devs, we would already have the ODST sequel we all want

[stoic hamlet]

Tbh, I’m okay with this.

Now that Helldivers 2 is out, I genuinely don’t think 343/HS could do the same type of game as well as Arrowhead have.

And I don’t mean that as a slight, to be clear, I just genuinely don’t think they can do it. They kind of wanted to, with the Multiplayer story, but it was so disconnected and disjointed, and the focus was entirely on PvP for the longest time that it’s just impossible to see it really occur.

[pine yew]

right but this was before infinite was even in development

if 343 had been allowed to go forward with the odst plan they would have been almost 5 years ahead of the curve

[orchid kettle]

I honestly do wonder just how accurate that statement even is

like, is it only "like helldivers" because you pick a loadout and drop in via pods

is it really the entire structure and core gameplay loop

[pine yew]

i imagine it would have been less "helldivers" and more an iteration of the odst game we already have that would, incidentally, resemble helldivers

i could see firefight being The Main Game of an odst 2

[stoic hamlet]

It would still be competing with Helldivers though.

A lot of people see Helldivers success as a lightning in a bottle thing… but it sort of was and it sort of wasn’t.

Helldivers 2 is (aside from the perspective change) the same gameplay loop as the first one, pretty much to a tee.

And that loop was first tested way back in 2010 with Magicka. AH have had over a decade to perfect the style.

But behind that, there are other games that are similar to Helldivers that were already out, like Darktide, but it suffers from much the same issue as Halo’s rendition would, in that it’s all sub-menus and loading screens. Helldivers, both the first and the second l, is all cohesive.

[orchid kettle]

and if the latter, how do you fit that into what I can only assume would be a more traditional story rather than like, the idea of the galactic war and how its a thing every player influenced

[pine yew]

considering that odst is what brought the mode to halo

[orchid kettle]

if it was mainly Firefight The Game that'd be pretty cool

but I honestly wonder if there'd be pushback from Microsoft, since Gears is also known for its Horde Mode

[pine yew]

yeah, and considering gears 5 released in 2019 im sure that's what it was

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah, IMO, Gears actually makes more sense as a “Helldivers” game, loop wise.

[pine yew]

microsoft didnt want competition between their own games

[orchid kettle]

friggin' Gears

they took my Halo XCOM from me too

[stoic hamlet]

Really though, I think that whole situation just shows the hypocrisy of Halo fans.

“Don’t chase trends!…. But chase that one!”

[pine yew]

yeah, halo is full of "damned if you do, damned if you dont" sorta people

[orchid kettle]

at least, I can only assume that Microsoft will now never go for a Halo XCOM because they see it as Gears' side piece now

I imagine it was happening with Helldivers specifically because of much they resemble ODSTs

though we have a fanmade mode meant to emulate CoD zombies too, but I kinda feel like that's part of a growing want in the fanbase for Firefight to really evolve past what it was in ODST

because ever since it has kinda just felt like a cute lil distraction rather than like a true and proper third experience

[pine yew]

the way i see it, right now firefight only comes in Slayer. but proper pvp has slayer, and ctf, and assault, and infection and grifball, etc etc etc. it would be cool to see firefight expanded to have more objectives and modes

[orchid kettle]

Zombies and Horde Mode also have more things to worry about than holing up in one location and surviving, like getting points to purchase fortifications, unlocking more of the map, buying weapons and upgrades

Even ME3 had a greater variety of objectives that encouraged moving around the map, like needing to grab a briefcase and then defend the player carrying said briefcase

while Firefight has kinda just been resting on its laurels as just "more Halo PvE action"

[pine yew]

i will say, on the topic of adding more objectives, ive always wanted Spartan Ops to come back in the form of proper standalone campaign missions that dont need to be connected to an existing story. cut down for brevity of course, but still

[orchid kettle]

pve action that takes place in one location and it doesn't really replace the story or sense of forward progression offered by the campaign with anything else

[pine yew]

make them feel like proper "Spartan Operations"

[carmine sleet]

This is why Warzone Firefight from Halo 5 adding in objectives like "Defend X area for X time" and "Kill this specific target" was a good thing and should've been continued for Infinite, it tried to evolve the mode

[orchid kettle]

its wild to me that Reach's campaign gave us sentry guns with health that you'd have to run out and reactivate

but those weren't in firefight

[carmine sleet]

I forget those exist sometimes

[pine yew]

but, wildly, they reappeared in halo 4 for dominion i think

[carmine sleet]

Aye, with a new design and plasma pistol overcharge shots

[orchid kettle]

I agree, but I think the issue is what those objectives actually were

Like, you were probably already going to kill 100 grunts as part of just playing the game

final bosses were neat though

[wispy pewter]

Halo 7 needs to add a grunt bossfight that has 1 hp

[carmine sleet]

Fair. If nothing else, it at least showed us they were willing to push what we did in Firefight

Like, honestly, it'd be interesting to see a Firefight mode where you have objectives akin to Invasion from Reach. Like you have a team of four dropped in and you need to run in, grab a goober and get out

While dealing with Banished or Forerunner or whatever enemies

[orchid kettle]

Actually now that I think about it, I wonder if ME3 was the inspiration for that ODST Helldivers game

[carmine sleet]

Or bomb something with Andy

[orchid kettle]

because that game is also about doing random objectives on a map while working with your team, and it ends with a final holdout section as your evac arrives

[carmine sleet]

Could be possible

[orchid kettle]

Its just not a huge map

[carmine sleet]

But alas we don't know the details of that pitch

[orchid kettle]

ME3 multiplayer but as a whole game would have sold me

[wispy pewter]

what I wish happened was the Halo squadrons game

[orchid kettle]

Honestly I think this would make me more interested than a Helldivers clone if only because of the implication of classes-- and potentially playing as other races

[grim viper]

Hey,I’m going for a training and I had a question:If the energy sword can cut even Spartans,then how do they hold the energy sword,did any fatal accidents happen?

Like in the grip,when you hold it your hand is “in” the sword. (Sorry for my English I don’t know how to say it)

Bye!

[bronze prawn]

So I just read this new "sad" history about some elites at delta halo before the arrival of the arbitrer

I never though the covenant would need to "drag" elites from other sectors to fulfill the ranks

[pine yew]

were elites "dragged"? i thought the dude was on like... a punishment detail

[stoic hamlet]

One was on a punishment detail.

One was there for compulsory service.

Though, honestly, acting as a bodyguard for a guy who’ll never really be under threat of violence due to his political station doesn’t sound that bad to me.

[pine yew]

i imagine the punishment comes from either 1. their society values "honorable combat" so getting stuck with a guy who wont ever be near the fighting essentially means you never get to be honored in combat or 2. as a scribe, you'd rather be writing books and preserving historical records instead of shooting people

either way, not a fulfilling use of your time

[grim viper]

Maybe not grip but handle

If you shake it,the sword can cut you right?

[stoic hamlet]

The punishment detail was the scribe yeah. He had offended his local minister and so was assigned as an escort.

[orchid kettle]

Doesn't seem like it. What's happening, as far as Im aware, is that the plasma is being shaped and more importantly contained within these electromagnetic fields being emitted from the handle

Clearly contained well enough that your own hand doesn't burn or anything from being that close to superheated plasma

[empty bloom]

'In order to punish you, we're giving you a gun and telling you to put your life on the potential line to bodyguard this dude' is such a wild concept.

I get the dishonor comes from not doing stuff, but still

[stoic hamlet]

I mean, personally it sounds like an honour, to me.

[velvet raven]

Is this the best place to talk about the books or is there a better channel?

[velvet raven]

If MS treated the Halo franchise the way GW treats 40K I think it would actually be an improvement

Sure, not all of the 40K games work. Some of them are bad. But there are games!

[stoic hamlet]

This is the spot!

[velvet raven]

I read through Cryptum pretty quick, but I started on Primordium probably over a month ago and I have a hard time bringing myself to touch it

I guess making that comment is my way of fishing for y'all's opinion on Primordium

I managed to get in two chapters today. I'm at 7 now, so last put the book down at chapter 5

[carmine sleet]

New Canon Fodder!! http://aka.ms/CanonFodder159

Got some details on the MA5K Avenger too

[stoic hamlet]

And a new character.

[drowsy mesa]

It appears Luro 'Taralumee (The Package's Shipmaster) is now part of Sali 'Nyon's Covenant

[stoic hamlet]

Not necessarily.

It could be a different covenant sect.

There are “a thousand petty empires”, after all. All claiming to be the Covenant.

[drowsy mesa]

Its just weird that mentions Operation WARM BLANKET

[carmine sleet]

Because that's the mission seen in events of The Package

[stoic hamlet]

WARM BLANKET could refer to the entire Miridem campaign.

The Operation TORPEDO patch in Infinite shows a Hyperion missile, as pointed out recently by one of Halopedia’s admins, and we know before the Spartans of Beta Company attacked Pegasi Delta the UNSC tried to nuke the site from orbit.

[muted raft]

Are there any other books that describe the events of the games like "The Flood"?

I really enjoyed reading about things ive played through firsthand, visualizing the levels and enemies

[carmine sleet]

The Flood is the only one that does that

[stoic hamlet]

Technically New Blood refers back to ODST, and Palace Hotel is a novelization of Halo 2’s metropolis.

[muted raft]

Unfortunate

[obsidian thistle]

There is isolated stuff here and there

Nothing totally solid however

We know B312 finds the data pads.
The Rookie finds the audio logs.
Master Chief finds the CEA, 3, and 4 terminals.
And a handful of overworld activities are canonically done prior to the final missions in Halo Infinite.

(No idea on the Halo 5 collectables however)

[last anchor]

Alternatively it could apply to the specific form of cruiser that they were boarding and its capabilites (like, say, seperating it's entire lower half)

[strange oracle]

why did the huragok leave after the war?

[carmine sleet]

What do you mean by leave?

Because we know that they're helping multiple factions within the galaxy even going into 2559/2560, such as the UNSC, Swords of Sanghelios and the Banished

[pine yew]

yea theres huragok on the Infinity

[thorn spindle]

they live to fix stuff theyre never gonna leave

[high elbow]

Shout out to the Halo Wars 1 Huragok, using a model based of the original design for Halo CE

[next vortex]

unless they're killed off en masse

[carmine sleet]

This has not happened to the Huragok

[acoustic bobcat]

In the halo multiplayer, when we respawn we still have the same armor and everything we customized. Are there mutiple version of the same spartan with the same voice?

I know this is a multiplayer game and there is no permadeath

[carmine sleet]

It's a simulation used to train Spartans

They're not cloning Spartans for combat, cloning technology in Halo isn't that good

[acoustic bobcat]

So they don’t actually die?

[carmine sleet]

No

[acoustic bobcat]

So you are saying that they are in a simulation and not in their actual world

[carmine sleet]

That's the idea behind the majority of the multiplayer modes

I believe Breakout from Halo 5 is meant to be a live fire exercise but don't quote me on that

[acoustic bobcat]

I see

Has that been the case for all halo games?

Cause how would it be a simulation if you hear them in pain after losing health or breathing?

It also says you killed them whenever you beat them?

I am just confused

[wet ledge]

What are you talking about..?

[acoustic bobcat]

How the multiplayer is a simulation

If it is or not

Or if the events in the multiplayer are based on events happening from the games

[wet ledge]

Just finished watching 2 seasons of halo 💅💅✅

[acoustic bobcat]

Nice

[wet ledge]

Not so

200000000$ for that..

[carmine sleet]

Halo 4 is the first to introduce the idea that the multiplayer is canonically something in universe

Characters showing pain via grunts and breathing is just for the sake of giving the player feedback that makes sense when being hit or taking hits

[acoustic bobcat]

Okay

I wished they would not make it a simulation to show that the multiplayer is actually happening at a location in their universe

But that would not be possible as they respawn

[carmine sleet]

They gotta train somehow

[acoustic bobcat]

Yeah I know

[carmine sleet]

Like, they're not actively pitting Spartans against each other to kill one another

[acoustic bobcat]

That is true

[carmine sleet]

And they do also partake in exercises outside of the simulations but that's just not really shown within the games

[acoustic bobcat]

I still wished it was based on actual things happening In the game

Even if it might break the canon

But I am not saying it needs it though

I am just saying

[wet ledge]

What’s your opinion about Halsey?

[acoustic bobcat]

Who?

[wet ledge]

Dr. Catherine Elizabeth Halsey https://g.co/kgs/XezofKV

[acoustic bobcat]

Don’t really know any anything about her

[wet ledge]

Omg, how disrespectful!

[acoustic bobcat]

Sorry

[acoustic bobcat]

Are the campaigns not a simulation?

This is the last question I will answer for now as I have to go to bed

[wet ledge]

What’s your time zone?

[acoustic bobcat]

EST

[wet ledge]

Good morning

[acoustic bobcat]

So halo 4, halo 5 and infinite’s multiplayer is a simulation but halo 1, 2, 3, odst and reach’s multiplayer actually happen within the game or are all the multiplayer modes in halo based on simulation?

Goodnight for now

[carmine sleet]

All multiplayer is a simulation. There's no red and blue Spartans running around waging a war with one another while Chief is defeating the Covenant in Halo 3 or while Noble Six is defending Reach

[acoustic bobcat]

Okay then

[carmine sleet]

Halo 4 simply introduced the simulation concept to explain how the multiplayer works

[carmine sleet]

Doctor Halsey is in Halo Reach, 4 and 5

[acoustic bobcat]

Never played the campaigns of either of those games

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-4-halo-halo-arrest-him-halo-del-rio-lieutenant-arrest-that-man-gif-17775868661155889686

[acoustic bobcat]

Don’t even think about it

[wet ledge]

She is an icon, she is the best
She kidnapped 117.

[carmine sleet]

Oh no

A Doctor Halsey defender

I was hoping we wouldn't have to deal with people defending war criminals for a while

[wet ledge]

💔💔💔

[wet ledge]

Anything wrong with that?

[carmine sleet]

Halsey has done allot of war crimes

[wet ledge]

Yes, and?

[spark pivot]

Ends do not justify the means.

Even Halsey herself knew that

[unique rune]

god forbid women have hobbies

[unborn patrol]

lmao

[merry tulip]

so do we know if "halo studio's" is going to be ditching the infinite zeta halo thing?

because i dont mind how halo infinite has set up stuff for maybe the UNSC to come to zeta halo and they tackle bigger things

[carmine sleet]

I prefer using that for anyone I deem as a "Silly". Halsey definitely is not one of the Sillies

[carmine sleet]

Nothing indicating this right now, though it is a popular speculation in the community right now. I hope they don't drop what's happening on Zeta Halo though, I want to know more about the Endless

[merry tulip]

im just sick of 343 making a storyline then instantly dropping it the next game lmao

[carmine sleet]

Well, again, nothing indicating the storyline's being dropped right now

[merry tulip]

yeah i guess we will see in the coming years what they announce

[carmine sleet]

Kinda hope the Swords of Sanghelios are the ones that got the signal from Zeta Halo sent out during Rubicon Protocol though, be neat to see the UNSC survivors getting help from an Elite fleet

[merry tulip]

just seeing the UNSC again would be nice

there is something in the lore about another infinity being built

[carmine sleet]

Eternity, she's not finished and likely won't be showing up at all since they used parts of her to repair the Infinity after someone fired a glassing beam on her

[merry tulip]

ah fair

[unborn patrol]

that would be cool

[carmine sleet]

Like, I don't want Arbiter or Half Jaw to be the main Elite leading it, simply because it'd be nice to see the others that are important to the Swords of Sanghelios be involved in things

[versed helm]

We haven't seen Half Jaw since Halo 3, would really be refreshing to see him again by Arbiters side in the next game.

[carmine sleet]

He's coming back in an upcoming book

And Arby is too busy keeping the peace on Sanghelios, I doubt we'll see him going off and galivanting to a Halo

[strange pumice]

I don't even know that Rtas' Vadumi doesn't have another pair of jaws

[unborn patrol]

I would wanna see new elites. Especially the presence of female ones since they are spoken of but never shown

[carmine sleet]

Agreed

Though if they want to play it safe in the sense of bringing in characters we already know, there's N'tho and Uzse from Halo 3 and Hunters in the Dark

Since those two make much more sense if we need a friendly Elite we've already met

[versed helm]

As much as I love books, seeing him in the games themselves would be nice, the voice actor for him in Halo 2 and Halo 3 really immersed you in the character, especially if we were to get an Arbiter/Chief hybrid campaign again which would be awesome, where in the start of the next game perhaps you play as Arbiter searching for Chief on Zeta Halo and you fight alongside Half Jaw. The possibilities are endless.

[carmine sleet]

I don't think Half Jaw's VA will return. He's kinda not the best person

[elder tide]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AiAi6oFjbyQ&si=Q4blcyAr5etLK0rT

This fan animation is super bad***

[versed helm]

It doesn’t look that bad

[fervent birch]

But yeah, the Stanchion is such a cool weapon

[stoic hamlet]

I’d love to see the confetti maker appear in a game.

Or the M6C/J

[fervent birch]

As cool as the stanchion would be, I don’t know how they would balance it while still making it accurate. It should one shot any player with a body shot, has a 4 round mag, should do a ton of vehicle damage, and practically instant projectile speed

The best I can come up with is giving it a charge time like the railgun

But even that technically isn’t lore accurate

[fervent birch]

You mean the M6J/C?

Or do you mean M6C /j

[stoic hamlet]

Ah, didn’t catch that. Yeah, the M6J/C

Also a properly, carbine correct MA5K would be nice.

[last anchor]

Originally I wuld have said the fanbase would have died
But as it turns out theres more people who remember the MA5K than I originally thought and so here we are

[last anchor]

Just bring the railgun back. Easy.

[fervent birch]

Exactly. No matter how you add an accurate Stanchion as its own thing, it just becomes an objectively better version of the Skewer, Sniper, or Railgun.

[pine yew]

i would balance it with limited ammo, personally

yeah you can kill just about anything in the universe with it but if 4 shots is all you get, then what you shoot becomes important

[fervent birch]

That’s a good point.

[fervent birch]

Only one mag, charge before shot, maybe make it so you can’t hold the charge forever (maybe 5s?), and a decently long downtime between shots. And then of course you gotta give crazy knockback to anyone killed by it, since having it blow enemies to pieces is a bit more gore than any of the games have ever done

Just imagine shooting an elite with a stanchion and they go flying back like 20 feet

[pine yew]

theres a few mods that add the old CE covey sniper to the game, and thats almost exactly how it works

so i can say with 100% certainty it would be INCREDIBLY satisfying

[fervent birch]

If I can say one thing about my time playing the EA Star Wars Battlefronts, it’s that ragdolls are always incredible. When you have so many powerful sources of explosions, bodies can go flying everywhere. As cool as scorpion and spanker rounds are, they just don’t have the same ragdoll feel as hitting someone dead on with an AT-AT and watching the body fly up like all the way to your eye level

[last anchor]

Bethesda level ragdoll

[sonic lagoon]

What tanks were used in the Rainforest wars?

[unique rune]

never specified

[carmine sleet]

We don't have much on the 2100s in general

[unique rune]

Predates the Viper and Scorpion

[acoustic bobcat]

I know we talked about the multiplayer being a simultation. But are the campaigns based on a simulation or do the actual events actually happen in story?

[carmine sleet]

The campaigns are actual events that happen

[acoustic bobcat]

That makes sense

[acoustic bobcat]

Sorry about the argument with the simulation multiplayer thing that happened today

[stoic hamlet]

The campaigns actually happen, but not 1:1, at least visually.

[patent patio]

Campaigns are real

Or are they?

[wise snow]

Where did we find out that the Endless are immune to the halo array? Was it mentioned somewhere in Infinite? I keep seeing people bring it up but I never found out where the piece of info came from

Maybe I missed something in the campaign

[stoic hamlet]

It’s mentioned in infinite, in an audio log, but not that they’re explicitly immune.

Just that they’re not dead.

[wise snow]

Ah I see

I never did get all the audio logs so that explains it

Thanks

[stoic hamlet]

Np~

[empty bloom]

IIRC a Ghost mentioned in one of the SoF logs in HW2, for example, mentioned a brute driving a ghost that gets hijacked by Chief; But there isn't a single Ghost driven by a brute in any section where Chief would be able to hijack it in 3 on the Ark.

[sonic lagoon]

How do prometheans and sentinels handle under water? I know one construct can go underwater.

[lyric tendon]

i dunno

[empty bloom]

Well, a member species of the Covenant fringe outlined in the Halo Encylopedia is wearing the severed head of a Promethean Knight as a helmet, so presumably well enough to survive long enough to be a trophy.

Said species is defined as being an underwater civilization.

[glass walrus]

I just finished Reading halo Cryptum

I didnt understand the ending, where bornstellar becomes the didact

[sonic lagoon]

I means that he becomes a less destroyed version of him, without all of the bad traits of the real Didact.

[glass walrus]

So he has two personalities in his body? Both bornstellar and didact?

[sonic lagoon]

Well kinda an extension. He is Bornstellar now with the memories of the didact.

He is the hero and uncorrupted, the man the Librarian wanted the original didact to be before he went crazy.

[sonic lagoon]

I don’t think he’s dissociative though, he’s pretty stable mentally.

[drowsy mesa]

I can only think on the Ark level

[versed helm]

Is there any material pertaining to ODSTs that isn’t New Blood?

Like post-Halo 3.

[carmine sleet]

Like specifically Alpha 9 or just ODSTs in general?

Because Alpha 9 has Bad Blood and one of the recent Waypoint Chronicles

And ODSTs in general show up in a whole bunch of books

[obsidian thistle]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYFg8s7cY3CuKrQVj5G6liVlxidqvmyCK&si=E7MY-SaEg2ewI7vF

🙂

Thats a personal favourite of mine

[terse lava]

had actually forgotten about that, good find

[orchid kettle]

Cole Protocol released after Halo 3, but its not set after Halo 3

I think really its just Kilo-5 and the idea that ODSTs are "recruited from all three services in the UNSC", which has confused fans for years because there's four branches in the UNSC

best guess I have is that the "three services" are the UNSC, CMA, and select planetary defense forces. Which is the same pool Spartan-IVs draw from.

after all, Gage jumped directly from being in the CMA to being in the ODSTs

[carmine sleet]

Has there ever been any speculation as to why Line Installation 1-4 has red on its entrance? Like, when it comes to Forerunner stuff, outside of Colosseum (Where it was specifically lighting for), I can't really remember any time we saw red as a prominent colour in Forerunner architecture

[orchid kettle]

I think the only time we've seen stuff turn red is when a Monitor goes crazy mode

Assuming Tangent wasn't red to begin with, of course

[empty bloom]

Red was prominent as a glow color in Requiem's Cauldron region.

In terms of actual physically coloring things red, "Mythic" tier Promethean constructs in Halo 5 were also red.

For example; Mythic Knight.

[carmine sleet]

I feel bad for forgetting about the red Prometheans in Halo 5 but I assume that was purely for making it clear that they're a different rank to the player

[carmine sleet]

And I can't believe I forgot about the red lights there

But like, red Forerunner metal seems rare

[empty bloom]

Halo tends to (rightly) assume that your average player is too...

... to be able to tell what something's rank and capability is by an overall visual profile.

So I'm not surprised they went with color coding, I'm more upset they didn't say anything lorewise about it.

Of course, I'm not sure what makes a Legendary Warden different from a normal Warden or Mythic Warden. Do they have more Warden-dom than the normal Wardens?

[carmine sleet]

I think they just had more health? But that doesn't matter when you have four Scorpions, a Wraith and two Banshees shooting at them all at once

[empty bloom]

I mean more in like, a lore sense.

[carmine sleet]

Ah, yeah no clue

[unique rune]

They Warden harder

[orchid kettle]

he turns the W upside down for Marden

granting him a very impressive power boost

[stoic hamlet]

Everyone knows W stands for Wumbo.

It’s first grade.

[twin sentinel]

halo isnt real fellas, pack it up.

there is only

fotnite

r

[patent patio]

What the sigma

[still chasm]

Does someone knows about the lore of the hiden weapons in halo 5 campaing?

[carmine sleet]

Some are experimental variants, like the Blaze of Glory shotgun. Some are used by specific individuals, like the two boltshots Closed Hand and Open Fist (Endurance of Will), Oathsworn shotgun (Kelly) and Nornfang sniper (Linda). Some are just simply variants, like the Sword of the Faithful beam rifle

Then there's the Fury Storm Rifle which is said to be cursed due to scripture written on the weapon

[stoic hamlet]

It should be noted that Oathsworn isn’t a specific shotgun.

It’s just a generic term for any shotgun Kelly has modified, but they’re not really special, in and of themselves.

[carmine sleet]

Aye, but given its appearance in the REQ system, I thought it would make sense to mention regardless

[stoic hamlet]

Fair fair.

[still chasm]

Ohhh thank you

[last anchor]

Check the flavor text for them

Most have their existence explained there

[obsidian thistle]

I kinda adore the fact we got War Games balancing from those descriptions.

[desert nimbus]

I'm pretty good at tweaking war games balancing if I do say so myself

[grim viper]

Can the master chief eat?

[carmine sleet]

Yes

Being a Spartan II doesn't remove his ability to eat food

[grim viper]

What does he eat?

[carmine sleet]

Same food as the rest of us. Though his diet likely just consists of whatever's standard for UNSC military most the time

[orchid kettle]

I think at one point he or some other Spartan eats two MREs because they're just so dang hangry

It's mentioned in Fall of Reach as well that immediately after augmentations, John and the other Spartans really had to eat a lot to bulk up to their full potential, which is interesting since it implies that acquiring the full benefits of their augs was something that took time to truly develop

as opposed to like, a captain america serum situation where they just pop out looking like a beef cake

[thorn spindle]

Navy ship food 😑

[empty bloom]

This tracks. The entire purpose of Recruit GEN2 is to allow the IVs time to acclimatize to their augs as well.

[orchid kettle]

Makes you wonder if Helljumper's depiction of John beating up those ODSTs as a scrawny beanpole is perhaps the most accurate one, vs HtT insisting he was this massive buff dude with a baby face.

Since if its right after augs, surely he's just taller without actually having gained a ton of muscle mass yet.

[thorn spindle]

yea maybe he was same size just everything was edited to be harder and stronger

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah that’s what I figured as well. It would track with other depictions of young Spartans giving people the creeps/making them feel uncomfortable.

[teal forum]

https://youtu.be/6T5NLidGfBE?si=teF6EQK_1FmzUWid

[sonic lagoon]

What would happen to a Promethean or sentinel struck by a proton beam? Like the one from ghost busters?

[thorn spindle]

idk what mythical metal that prometheans or sentinels are made of

depends on that i guess

[blazing raven]

Is there a reason the people on Reach speak Hungarian?

[unique rune]

The earliest settlers of the planet were predominantly of Hungarian descent

[wooden jolt]

not all people on Reach speak Hungarian, but some colonists are of Hungarian descent, as pointed out by @unique rune

[blazing raven]

Thats neat that they did that then

[wispy pewter]

Bolts, Nuts

Microchips

[fair hazel]

I never liked that joke personally

[grim viper]

So he eats smol chips

Hahahaha

[pine yew]

only the smallest doritos

[wispy pewter]

Why not

[glass walrus]

How did atriox managed to get back in milky way if he was stuck on the ark in halo wars 2 with all the banished?

[carmine sleet]

Portal complex on Reach under Castle Base

Shadows of Reach details the events

[fair hazel]

In canon, spartans don't see them as these robots. But in the silver one, they went with that more

[blazing raven]

Whats the difference between the RECON and SCOUT armours? Do they fill the same role? All I could find was that they were developed simultaneously and I think for the same role

[pine yew]

i would imagine recon is more for information gathering and stealth, while scout is more like a first-contact pioneer unit that engages enemies before the main force gets there

to put it in context of missions, you would want Recon for reach's nightfall where you're trying to get information on the covenant spire network, but you'd want Scout for Halo from CE where you're in unknown territory and trying to gather supplies and rescue survivors

[blazing raven]

I see, thanks

[orchid kettle]

"As with the RECON variant the goal was to improve the armor's stealth capabilities with no impact on endurance; however, the SCOUT variant relies more heavily on advanced materials."

They're basically the same thing built by the same people originally.

They just accomplish that goal in different ways, apparently. With Scout having "advanced materials" and Recon having "emission bafflers".

Halo 5 also gives them each something a lil extra. With Scout, its apparently better at directing air strikes once the user is behind enemy lines, while the Recon helmet has the latest intrusion software from ONI.

[obsidian thistle]

Is fun to think about Recon being adopted by ONI and Scout being the more common helmet in the wild.

I am a lil saddened we never actually seen Halo 3 Scout used anywhere as its got a vibe that Halo 4/5 only aluded to.

https://www.halopedia.org/images/f/fa/HTMCC-H3_Scout_Closeup2.jpg?20210727002713

(Granted it did give me Oddworld Scrab vibes which is one of the coolest yet weird designs for a creature in a video game)

[pine yew]

oh yeah, i miss the original scout

halo 3 is close to my perfect look for spartans and the unsc in general, its a good mix of grounded military and 80's sci fi anime look

[glass walrus]

Halo 3 is the perfect videogame

[pine yew]

i disagree, its my favorite halo game but i also think its kinda mid

love how the spartans look in it tho

[glass walrus]

Question: Halo Battle Born Meridian Divide is a sequel to Halo Battle Born?

[stoic hamlet]

Yes.

[carmine sleet]

Sadly never finished Meridian Divide, just couldn't get into it

[unique rune]

all I really remember from it was thinking “oh those kids are dead now aren’t they” before finding out that they were supposedly subjected to a different proto-S-IV thing to Ilsa Zane’s cohort

[orchid kettle]

Honestly it just felt like a retread of the first book with a silly ending

Im kinda okay with the idea of high school stereotypes surviving an alien invasion is something we keep contained to one novel

The second book has some very strange characterization too, with ONI begging these kids to do their dirty work for them as opposed to just sending Owen back in alone, and Victor just flips from being a film geek to a battle-hungry jock out of nowhere between books.

[sonic lagoon]

On Halo CE level halo what type of trees are present?

[versed helm]

"Master Chief is inarguably the best Spartan to ever wear the Mjolnir armor and take up the fight to protect humanity" - Halo: Official Spartan Field Guide. Found the book at Barnes and Nobles, thoughts?

[carmine sleet]

Best in the sense of he's the most well rounded Spartan, jack of all trades type with good leadership skills. And a sprinkle of luck but that can't be measured exactly

Other Spartans are better at things like sniping, melee combat, are faster or stronger than Chief

[versed helm]

Pretty much

[versed helm]

Funnily enough the other members of Blue Team, including Sam, represent those better abilities. Kelly is faster, Fred is a better H2H fighter, Linda is the better shot, and Sam is stronger

Linda actually 2v1ed Kelly and Fred in a training exercise pretty recently in a comic, she’s a peak character

[stoic hamlet]

I’d personally disagree with it, but mainly because I just dislike the blatant hero worship John gets from everyone, fans and actual characters alike.

Rubs me the wrong way.

[versed helm]

Well he’s done ALOT of stuff for humanity

There is a reason for his worship, after all.

[unique rune]

the Chief glazing is pretty silly

out-of-universe I kinda get it but the stuff that 343 keeps putting into canonical material is getting kinda goofy I think

[orchid kettle]

I do think part of that is unavoidable the second Halo 2 had a cutscene where John is surrounded by cheering marines and video cameras

Woulda been nice if the dude stayed frozen in space though so he never really had to reckon with his celebrity status

[stoic hamlet]

Shadows of Reach has my favourite response to the idea of John being “the best”:

”I appreciate your concern, Master Chief.” She looked back over her shoulder, squinting against the glare of John’s helmet lamps. “You are the Master Chief, right? Just wanted to confirm.”
“Affirmative,” John said. His GEN3 Mjolnir had a trimmer appearance than the GEN1 armor he had used during the war, but it still had his service number stamped on the breastplate. “117.”
Boldisar gave a small smile and looked forward again. “I’m glad they sent the best.”
“There’s a difference between being the best and the best-known,” John said. “All of us are pretty capable.”

One could argue it’s just him being humble, but I definitely think it’s what’s actually the case.

He’s not “the best”, he’s just “the best known”

[carmine sleet]

Agreed

Like, he knows that there are Spartans that can do what he does better than him, he's just had to be the one to save the galaxy because he happened to be the one that was there

[velvet raven]

Is there an official or unofficial Halo book club?

[versed helm]

I mean, who else has done what he’s done? In Infinite alone he wiped out the Banished leadership on Zeta Halo, and some of the deadliest the Banished had to offer inhabited that ring.

[versed helm]

Good point

[versed helm]

No, he’s the best as in how Michael Jorden or Tom Brady are the best in their respective areas.