lore-and-universe

[steel stone]

The spartans in that game were super insane looking

[meager pier]

Seems so, as it seems the Flood is a way to infect species intelligent enough to become even better, as well as eliminate species that’ve become power-hungry

Seems the Mantle was BS the entire time

[steel stone]

I genuinely hope the Endless is just as good if not better than the flood, flood I didnt realize had this level of depth

[meager pier]

I hope the Endless are great, but I don’t think any threat in the franchise will ever top the Flood

It’s THE threat

[steel stone]

Back in the 2010 days with Reach I heard some people talking about the Precursors, didnt think they would go so deep into their origin

[steel stone]

The games do the flood well but they are so easily killed and predictable and some dumb reason cant infect grunts, jackals, invade hunter armor

I just hope they make it so they really effect the story and have them infect any enemy

Prometheans were made to fight the flood. That would so awesome seeing a Knight fight a Flood Juggernaut, lore wise how would that fight go down?

[meager pier]

They can’t infect Lekgolo as they don’t have a central nervous system, and I think it can infect Unggoy and Kig-Yar, but no models were made in the OT

[empty bloom]

They still kinda weren't. Hell, the Covenant made micro Halo rings that they could use to torture people.

Higher peak than the husk of the dead Covenant but lower average tech level.

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah this was a pretty prominent theory though it was more along the lines of “the flood would always exist and it wasn’t an accident”.

[meager pier]

Rather than being a Jekyll and Hyde situation, I’d prefer both sides just being aspects of them, they’re both creator and destroyer

[steel stone]

They are great reasons but makes them less of a threat in the game. I kill a Jackal and Grunt not be worried about those things randomly transforming into something scary as hell that might add challenge or have me change my game plan

[steel stone]

What do you mean by micro halo rings? they actually made one???

[meager pier]

In the novel Shadow of Intent by Joe Staten

[steel stone]

That name is familiar hes the guy that did the Halo 1 up to reach story I think

When you say covenant made Halo ring I think of a smaller ring thats purple XD

Sort of believable they could make something like that looking at High Charity.

[meager pier]

Forerunners experimented with it, and ex-Covie guys were able to complete it

[steel stone]

Ive never heard anyone talk about this I gotta check this out im very curious

[patent patio]

Can't the worms still be used for biomass

[patent patio]

Gameplay too. The flood introduced an entire gameplay dance of being put on the defensive as they swarmed you with their numbers. I hope the Endless have some kind of unique dance as well

[stoic hamlet]

Yes. They just don’t have enough biomass to be infected wholesale.

[patent patio]

Yes what I just said

[wispy pewter]

Have they tried inventing anti flood spray

[last anchor]

Yeah, its called ignited devoilant

Defoliant

[steel stone]

If the flood are an enemy again theres almost unlimited possibilities on how they could do it

[unique rune]

The Flood peaked as an enemy type in gameplay in CE and it’s been downhill ever since

[steel stone]

Halo Legends introduced giant flood creature I think that was bigger than the Halo 3 Scarab. Could easily make that a boss.

https://www.halopedia.org/Flood#/media/File:HL_Origins_BigFlood.png

Halo 3 I think had the best flood because they were much more ambitious, only downside they were easy to kill

Just add in the Halo Wars 2 flood, they got much more insane with the designs and scope

[carmine sleet]

Ranged Pure Forms were nightmares to deal with

[steel stone]

I honestly didnt have much of an issue with them since they were always high up in the open, making them easy to kill shockingly even with a plasma rifle

I will be honest I would rather have the ranged form replaced with the Juggernaut just is much cooler

[carmine sleet]

There is nothing new that can be done with the Flood in regard to the narrative. Their goal cannot be changed, which makes them very rigid in storytelling. Adding in new forms of Flood doesn't change what they are after. And with how much of a threat the Flood is presented as, you can't just keep bringing it back over and over again without weakening the threat they pose

[carmine sleet]

Have you played on heroic or legendary?

[steel stone]

Not since 360, I remember it not being hard at all

I had a far harder time with Halo Reach legendary

I have beat Halo 3 on legendary

[carmine sleet]

I recommend replaying so you can see how annoying the ranged forms are

[steel stone]

Back then I was much more patient I think nowdays I cant be bothered to do all that mess again

[high elbow]

Having recently playing H3 heroic with a buddy, I can vouch: The stupid pure ranged forms are miserable to deal with

[steel stone]

I really depends on your play style really

Surprisingly I didnt have much trouble at all on the Cortana level, think I died 4 or 5 times

I can vividly remember alot my playthrough with the older games for some reason

I do remember Reach legendary that game can my kiss my you know the rest

[unborn patrol]

what 💀

god I hate people who think CE was peak in anything. that was the first draft itll objectively never be the best it can be

[unique rune]

They’re awful in Halo 2 and even worse in 3

[unborn patrol]

skill issue

[unique rune]

I mean it’s not that they’re hard they’re just completely unengaging as enemies

[steel stone]

Narrative Im sure the flood can work, just need creativity and good writing

[carmine sleet]

Halo 3's would be fine if it weren't for how annoying the pure forms are

[unique rune]

I played The Library and Cortana back to back and I actually enjoyed The Library while Cortana borderline put me to sleep

[unborn patrol]

maybe try it above Easy

[unique rune]

I have
on Legendary
multiple times

[carmine sleet]

Cortana's just a terrible level all around

When I find the paper I wrote on that level, I've gotta share it here

[unique rune]

Pure Forms alternate between complete pushovers and annoying bullet sponges and neither is fun

[steel stone]

Thats because they didnt add new forms to fight, level itself should of had more horror elements and fog. You were suppose to fight the actual Gravemind on that level, disappointing that never happen

Cortana reuniting with Chief was amazing but he level did suck and bet I could of done it better If I had a team of modders

[unborn patrol]

that wouldve been cool. boss fights shouldve been more of a thing in 3 like they were in 2

[unique rune]

the land of hypotheticals saves all

[patent patio]

Too strong in two, too weak in three

[unique rune]

I mean, I doubt H2-style boss fights would’ve saved Halo 3’s gameplay given Halo 2’s boss fights aren’t exactly the most engaging thing either

[carmine sleet]

Halo 3 did add new Flood forms, the pure forms weren't in games previously

[patent patio]

They're just unpolished af

[unborn patrol]

yeah crunch issue

I hope

[patent patio]

Honestly both of them could've good if given more time

[unborn patrol]

and not a skill issue

[patent patio]

I mean three

[carmine sleet]

Halo 2's bosses definitely exist the way they do due to crunch

And I imagine if they did plan on having boss fights akin to Halo 2's in Halo 3, they likely got cut early on due to how boss fights in Halo 2 were received by the audience

[steel stone]

In Cortana you suppose to insert cortana into a damaged Scarab and you were suppose move it closer to the Gravemind, mission ended with you causing and explosion that dropped the Mausoleum of the Arbiter on top the Gravemind killing him.

[carmine sleet]

Granted, I bet they wanted to keep us killing Spark as something we actually do in gameplay so I wouldn't be surprised if there was something more interesting planned for when we killed lightbulb but got changed to what we got in game at release

[unborn patrol]

thats insane

[steel stone]

If that was added I bet it may have been the one of the most satisfying missions in Halo

[steel stone]

The journey to the Gravemind boss as well had you encounter flood infected arbiters

[unborn patrol]

oh right theyd have access to those

[steel stone]

As said before its very sad how Cortana ended up I cant defend that mission

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h7oJeZF6tg

The original plan for Halo 3s missions, its gets insane

[unique rune]

Like ultimately I'm not saying this the Flood in CE are particularly well-designed. They're... fine. The weapon sandbox and environment design are doing a lot of heavy lifting as the insane magazine sizes and damage output actually make the whole run-and-gun thing effective, while the level design helps to sell the creepiness factor.

But 2 and 3 aren't particularly good at the latter and the general sandbox nerfs aren't helping either. 3's Pure Forms are promising in concept but the final execution is pretty bad.

[ripe patio]

Hard agree. Halo CE was also out introduction to the Flood, after spending half the game getting proficient at fighting the Covenant. It was a hard change-up with an enemy that behaves completely differently.

Halo CE Flood do 2 things; Run straight at you, and stand and shoot you.
You could shine the flashlight on them to force them to stand and shoot.
You could NOT headshot them.
They sometimes would stand back up.
You could prioritize shooting off their arms.

Halo 2 switched up the flood to behave more like covenant AI units, dodging, retreating, moving around to attack from the side, giving them shields, letting them drive vehicles.
They kinda just turned into covenant that you can break apart with a sword,.

[carmine sleet]

I would like to fight whoever decided that Elite combat forms could spawn with shields

[ripe patio]

I would like to fight whoever decided that if you completely disarm a combat form in H2 that they just die instead of harmlessly following you around like a puppy. In universe the combat form would just keep throwing itself at you, kicking, jumping, floppy-headbutting you (and in Halo CE it was fun to see how many you could get to follow you through the level)

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/never-give-up-no-surrender-monty-python-and-the-holy-grail-black-knight-its-only-a-flesh-wound-gif-14084084

[patent patio]

Yes! If the flood are ever brought back for a game, make it so that each limb can get dismembered. If you take off both their legs, they fall and drag themselves with their hands to you

[steel stone]

Imagine if they added this boss. You can shoot off its limbs and its size is what make its so cool to fight as well

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fdbe1dg548ak51.png

If they bring the flood I hope they use the Halo Legends and Wars 2 variants

They were really awesome with unique looking colours too

[last anchor]

You do enough damage to it and it starts swelling and turning into a Carrier Form

[empty bloom]

I want to go back in time and gutpunch whatever goober thought all combat forms should act exactly the same.

[desert nimbus]

Hit em hard boss

[patent patio]

👊

Pow

[desert nimbus]

Carter out

[thorn spindle]

✈️ 💥

[desert nimbus]

What if secret ending on long night of solace where you keep all marines alive and Jorge survives

[patent patio]

Then Reach still probably would have fallen.

[desert nimbus]

Real

[patent patio]

Idk 🤷‍♀️

[desert nimbus]

Me giggling like a school girl at kat dying for the 213th time

[wispy pewter]

If Noble Team was on the ring they would have defeated the entire Banished forces

[thorn ember]

The infection form on the combat form does count as a head though for 2.

[thorn ember]

Those odds aren't exactly good for Noble.

[terse scroll]

I know nothing of the halo lore. Cortana’s voice is too quiet whenever she talks and whenever I activate terminals the robots voice is annoying. But just wondering is the halo lore good?

[patent patio]

It's subjective

[wispy pewter]

when were they ever

[carmine sleet]

Noble Team couldn't stop Reach falling when they had the backing of a full UNSC military force that was stationed on the planet, they would not be able to stop the Banished on Zeta Halo

[empty bloom]

They don't even have the reputation that made Chief worth pulling punches against.

Reminder that Escharum's arrogance is part of what cost him his glorious victory against Chief.

[carmine sleet]

Indeed

Escharum would've looked at Noble and gone "Who even are these guys?" then ordered the Gabrakkon to be fired upon before Noble could escape

[empty bloom]

Noble Team doesn't even have the Pseudosmart AI that the IVs had.

They have an orbital-stationed dumb AI, but that's it.

One locked door and they get stopped, hard.

[carmine sleet]

Ah, so they're just like Critical Role as soon they encounter a door

[empty bloom]

"Hey, Jega, kill em if you can get an angle" instead of "Follow them"

Honestly, it low key irritates me that we've never really heard of an Elite sniper

Like, one who goes "This sword stuff is dumb. Snipe time"

It'd be a more believable matchup than sword vs Spartan 24/7. There's a reason Jega usually needed to ambush his 'prey'.

[carmine sleet]

Good thing that's an idea I have been thinking about for my own project

Though whether to make it a special rank or a specific character I am debating on

[desert nimbus]

Both, just do both

[unborn patrol]

maybe its an honor thing for them?

like they gotta be on the front lines always

[unborn patrol]

did we ever find out what was wrong with escharum physically? like wasnt he ill and was just looking for a final fight basically

[empty bloom]

No idea.

[thorn spindle]

Escharum got covid-2552 thanks to ONI

[meager pier]

Not sure, but I’m betting it was something akin to cancer
Escharum is Brute Walter White

[carmine sleet]

Atriox, we gotta cook!!

[wispy pewter]

Dude keeps yapping fr

Do you guys think the Spartan Laser will be able to melt a Brute like Atriox

[ripe patio]

Wasn't it an elite that sniped Kat?

[stoic hamlet]

Yes, a Zealot

[ripe patio]

so, yeah. Elite sniper

[carmine sleet]

Zealots aren't a specialised sniper unit though

[ripe patio]

sure, but I was just giving an example of an elite sniper in response to : "Honestly, it low key irritates me that we've never really heard of an Elite sniper"

They definitely like getting their hooves dirty

[steel stone]

Halo Reach did have an Elite sniper type rank planned

He even rocked unique armor and the beam rifle a weapon sadly not in Reach

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/087/288/large/isaac-hannaford-ih-elite-nemesis01.jpg?1439784049

[carmine sleet]

That's concept art, not something that's in the game

[steel stone]

Sorry should of worded it better

I really hope alot of those ranks in the concept are made canon one day, they are more creative than any Elite rank we had seen

There was one even with a hunter arm canon holy hell

[high elbow]

I always kinda assumed Elite snipers would wear Spec ops armor or ranger set. Send a Ranger clad Elite with Jackals as an assassin kill squad type thing

[steel stone]

Spec ops, Zealots and Rangers I think would be great with sniper type weapons

I think there could of been a sniper type armor set tailored to sniper elites somewhere in the lore but never got to see them

[ripe patio]

Meh, sniping from a distance is for cowards like Jackals. Elites charge head long into battle and trample their foes... under waves of grunts

[steel stone]

Thats a brute type of thing but I do see what you mean by that

[ripe patio]

Like, using swords in a setting where you have plasma guns does NOT make tactical sense ever lol. They're just like that

[steel stone]

And are awesome!

[ripe patio]

indeed

[steel stone]

I think that sniper Elite would of made a sick entrance if he was the one that killed Kat

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/087/288/large/isaac-hannaford-ih-elite-nemesis01.jpg?1439784049

[ripe patio]

That said, Elites in H2 use carbines, and Elites in Reach use Needler rifles, so kinda sniper like anyways

[steel stone]

Sounds bizare to say but always thought that needle rifle was a Skirmisher type weapon and not sure why

Maybe it looks cool on them

[ripe patio]

maybe I am misremembering? I thought elites used it sometimes.

They also sometimes use Focus rifles too lol?

[steel stone]

Sounds weird but cant remember many elites using the needle rifle on Reach. I think the ranger ranks do but cant recall the other ranks using the needle rifle

Skirmishers indeed use the focus rifle but not sure about elites

[gusty star]

Rangers are trained as Sangheili snipers

[unique rune]

There's definitely Sangheili Rangers in Reach's campaign that use Focus Rifles.

[stoic hamlet]

They use them in Oblivion as well.

[hexed yew]

I am reading the book rubicon protocol

Is it a good book or nah?

[stoic hamlet]

I mean, it’s all subjective really.

[unique rune]

If you're already reading it I feel like you can start to make that judgement for yourself

[stoic hamlet]

^^^

[bronze prawn]

rubicon protocol

is that the book of that spartan IV that colaborates with a brute

[wispy pewter]

Rubicon Protocol was great 👍.
Great Spartan Characters though it would have been so much better if they met up with characters like Lasky and Palmer or something

[stoic hamlet]

The story does go over why they didn’t, tbf.

[gusty star]

They’re hopefully saving all of the big dawgs from the Infinity for th next game

[empty bloom]

Well, not really because he had other options.

[empty bloom]

There's also a SpecOps Elite in Halo 2 that spawns with one in the first Arbiter mission.

[wispy pewter]

Horvath was too nice tbh, Gorian didn't deserve his friendship

[carmine sleet]

They weren't friends, Gorian literally tries to kill him multiple times

[wispy pewter]

being friends would have been a cooler storyline

[carmine sleet]

Aren't you the person who constantly advocates for the UNSC to genocide the Covenant species?

[wispy pewter]

🦫, I just want them to stop killing humans

[unborn patrol]

crazy

[vivid umbra]

That's a Beam Rifle though.

[empty bloom]

And the conversation started with me talking about Elites using Beam Rifles, which are Sniper Weapons, so the subject was Elite Snipers in general.

Your point?

[vivid umbra]

Yeah I didn't see that part at first.

[safe prism]

Yes

[hexed yew]

Thansk for y’all’s opinions

[thorn ember]

I do note that the religious beliefs of the Covenant Empire are used in some of it's common tactics and strategies. Especially given the whole Ultras/Zealots with their swords.

[dusk jetty]

Their religion is actually a huge detriment in the Human-Covenant war, if you want to look at it at a tactical angle

How many times did the covenant drop the ball because they were afraid they’d hurt the poor forerunner artifact?

[ripe patio]

Counterpoint - Their religion was also the thing that bound together many alien races, allowing them to leverage each species advantages and tech. So yeah, it hindered them operationally, but gave them a huge advantage in all of their engagements (and kept internal strife somewhat suppressed)

[orchid kettle]

well also the threat of overwhelming violence

[ripe patio]

Yes, enforced by the religious leaders and carried out by the Faithful

[thorn spindle]

yea i like the zealotry i dont know how to explain it but it mixes up the story a bit. i dont really know if i consider the Banished to be more interesting yet theyre kinda just pirates so far

only atriox seems to have deeper motivations

[gusty star]

The Banished should be more focused on freeing everyone from tyrants

Just as they did themselves with the Covenant, and how they will hopefully do with Endless are imprisoned because of Forerunner hubris

And that would explain why insurrectionists also seem to be flocking to the Banished

Then they can really live up to their name “The Banished”

[carmine sleet]

Is it bad that I'm today years old when I learnt the Spade seen on the Halo 4 map Landfall has a roof unlike the ones seen in Halo Reach

[gusty star]

No

It doesn’t matter

[steel stone]

I honestly really like that idea, think the Banished portrayed in Infinites campaign was alright but lacking something not sure what though

[gusty star]

A motive

Their motive wasn’t clear

And I think that’s in large part due to 343 scrambling to wrap up the complicated intricacies of the Created storyline while simultaneously trying to start a new story

[patent patio]

Also they don't have their look of HW2 tbh. Especially lack of Banished vehicles 😔

[sonic lagoon]

Ilpdors are my favorite halo animals. Love amphibians.

[steel stone]

Ive not played Infinites campaign in ages, think the Banished wanted revenge on the UNSC because Cortana destroyed the brutes home planet

[gusty star]

That's very poor writing if so. Why would they want to fight a war on two fronts with a faction that's not even at fault for what they're so upset about. Why wouldn't they work with the UNSC to take out the Created

[high elbow]

Aren’t the banished just doing their own thing? I’m not sure they’re actively seeking revenge on humans.

[steel stone]

I cant even tell honestly there was that Brute Eshrum letting his whole team get wiped out by Chief becuase he wanted some legacy

There was a brute at the start saying how chief threatens everything and yet he was ignored

I dont know why but the Banished to me felt like the Space Pirates from Metroid for some reason in Halo Infinite

Were the Banished trying to free the endless?

[carmine sleet]

It's more they hold contempt against the UNSC as Cortana was a UNSC AI that destroyed the Brute homeworld, they're not necessarily trying to wipe out humanity and are more trying to make sure that Zeta is free of any UNSC forces and turn it into a new home for the Brutes

[dusk jetty]

And the UNSC doesn’t want that

[carmine sleet]

Atriox was, yes, but we don't know the why yet

Aye

[dusk jetty]

So it’s both colonisation and self defense if you want to look at it from that angle

Remember, the banished were there first

They ambushed the infinity, not chased it down and killed everyone

[carmine sleet]

Like, the Banished trying to find a new home for the Brutes is honestly one you can't fault them for, and picking a Halo isn't the worst option, it's just the Banished want it in part because they can threaten other species with it

[dusk jetty]

They also fought the infinity on reach they knew they were hostile

Excuse them for taking preemptive measures

[carmine sleet]

There were humans on Zeta back in 2555. We don't know what happened to them before the Banished set up their ambush for Infinity but it can be assumed that the science teams were killed

[dusk jetty]

There’s some lore blurbs on armour pieces and emblems

Pioneer group zeta or something

But they were there for science, and the ONI scientist that Horvath found said that they did try to fight back

The way i look at it, Brutes got tired of being pushed around, Atriox made a sales pitch, doisac got death starred, and it just poured fuel on the fire

[steel stone]

Why would they make a Halo ring a home? sure is fancy but has the flood

[dusk jetty]

Not if you don’t release it!

[steel stone]

true XD

[carmine sleet]

The Flood are contained and would you want to fight someone who has the equivalent to a gun pointed at the head of the universe as their home?

[dusk jetty]

Atriox probably knows about the flood tbh

I bet He’s already found the facility, and if he hasn’t just locked it up, it’s secure

[strange pumice]

Definitely
Especially his experience meeting with flood on Ark

[carmine sleet]

Genocide is not the answer to genocide. Just because Cortana killed billions of Brutes, that doesn't make it ok for the Banished to be in a position where they could kill billions more with a single weapon

[dusk jetty]

No, definitely not I didn’t mean it that way

[carmine sleet]

Can confirm he knows, and he understands the threat it poses

[last anchor]

I mean, the dude crushed an infection form with his bare hands so

[dusk jetty]

I just mean that the banished had every reason to go and shoot down infinity

Assuming that’s what happened, anyhow

[dusk jetty]

And saw a dead proto gravemind, in the context of Zeta halo, he probably knows it’s there

[carmine sleet]

Infinity wasn't what wiped out Doisac

[last anchor]

Atriox just wanted to loot Infinity.

Standard broot response.

Neuron activation etc XD

[steel stone]

What if Atriox was used time travel to stop his planet from being destroyed?

That seem to have been a thing at the end of the game

[steel stone]

Some part of me thinks Infinity should of not gone down so easily and fast

[dusk jetty]

I know, the banished fought them on reach

They know the infinity’s hostile

[carmine sleet]

Atriox hasn't gone back in time

[strange pumice]

Time travelling idea in halo are bad

Just for what?

[bronze prawn]

time travel has been in halo since first strike so ...

[final sparrow]

probably off topic but i dont understand why at the end of halo wars 1 they couldnt go back to the inner colonies

[bronze prawn]

space is stupidly big and they dont have their slypspace thing, so by their own engines had to get back to colonies

[carmine sleet]

That was done in a very limited way without fully understanding how it happened, it's not like they can just time travel like a strange man in an old 1960s police box

[orchid kettle]

Who cant go back?

[final sparrow]

wasnt the spirit of fire not able to return to earth and the colonies?

[carmine sleet]

Because it's not got a slipspace drive, it sacrificed it to destroy the shield world in HW1

[tribal trench]

Ilsa Zane died right? watching the community stage and they are talking about having thought about bringing her back as a banished spartan

[stoic hamlet]

No.

She was never confirmed or what have you to have died.

[tribal trench]

What do we know about her situation definitively?

[stoic hamlet]

She’s with the NCA currently, raising colonies.

[fair hazel]

Did you listen to the audio story?

Also, yay the cast of the books seems very interesting

and also yay new kelly gay book

[carmine sleet]

Oh worm

[obsidian thistle]

Ilsa Zane! She be being brutal atm

https://www.halopedia.org/Ilsa_Zane

We can cosplay her

I should really make a spreadsheet of Hero/Villain character outfits

[steel stone]

Sorry so what actually happen in the end of infinite?

[steel stone]

woah it was???

[ripe patio]

The Fall of Reach led into First Strike, which involved a strange forerunner crystal that distorted time in weird ways

[obsidian thistle]

Thats been changed to time dilation in a sense. Not traditional back and forth.

[carmine sleet]

Regardless, to paraphrase the number 1 expert on time travel, time is less a river and more a weird ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff

[obsidian thistle]

I will say 343i writers have been "VERY" public on not liking Time Travel lol.

And havent used it at all outside "X goes in a room, and time was different to them."

Think Interstellar when they go to Millers planet.

(Except less drastic)

Where its hours/minutes difference instead of years

[stoic hamlet]

Tine travel just causes too many problems, so it’s understandable.

Unless your series is specifically made with it in mind (… and even the ) it’s best to avoid it.

[versed helm]

Well, Atriox freed the Endless. We get a tease that Offensive Bias might make an appearance.

[patent patio]

He better

[thorn spindle]

could be fun, offensive bias and his contraptions vs endless or whoever allies with them. bias can be our buddy perhaps

[bronze prawn]

343 has been teasing offensive and mendicant bias for years

and we have reach nowhere for now

[carmine sleet]

Not really, they fleshed out who they were in the Forerunner trilogy but they weren't being teased to be coming into the story in the modern day at any point until the legendary ending of Infinite (Which only teases the former since the latter died at the end of Halo 3, a Bungie Halo game)

[patent patio]

Well now they have so idk

[empty bloom]

Guess that hopefully stays true. Especially if it kills a few story rumors I've heard.

[steel stone]

I think bias was mentioned on High Charity by Cortana describing it being something more advanced or something

I do wish they gave him more presence in the games, did they they? cant even remember honestly

[carmine sleet]

That wasn't 343i teasing them like what MisterB312 was claiming they'd been doing

[carmine sleet]

The terminals in Halo 3 is where you see Mendicant send cryptic messages to you and directly talk to Chief in the final terminal on legendary

[steel stone]

I think it was a cool part of the game, remember him wanting to make up for his actions

What is he capable of that makes people excited for him? Is it because he looks like the scrapped guardian sentinel from Halo 3s cut mission? Im a very down with that

[pearl shale]

He’s the most advanced ai the forerunners ever created and helped defeat the flood who had mendicant on their side at the time

Wait i was talking about offensive my bad

[thorn spindle]

i hope so also. time travel SUCKS, just keep it at time dilation and don't even use that too often

[tribal trench]

Would spartans be allowed to get piercings?

I feel like I remember one of them dying their hair or something like that

[empty bloom]

IRL military personnel are, and UNSC grooming standards seem significantly relaxed, down to a III having 'claw marks' in her hair. I don't see why not, provided they aren't a significant issue in terms of getting a helm on.

[stoic hamlet]

They’re relaxed but it seems like they are pretty stringent in sone ways.

IIRC Holly was disciplined a few times, considering skirt was going to punish/note down Ash for his hair being something like a few centimetres over regulations I wouldn’t be surprised if the bear claws was an infraction.

But one of those “well, we can’t do much until the hair grows back” kinda things.

[unreal wadi]

https://youtu.be/rFh2i4AlPD4?si=X9X5pduy283G2qcb

25 seconds into the trailer

I believe a lot was cut from the campaign personally, as this cutscene doesnt exist in the launch game

just something to keep in mind, offensive bias has been deployed on zeta as we see in the post credit scene so i could definitely see him making his way into the next Halo

if it ends up being a sequel that is, might be a remake theoretically

[carmine sleet]

Pretty sure that's been debunked as being Offensive Bias

[untold storm]

Grandfather clock is the best kind. But for Halo? Just doesn’t fit

[dense falcon]

...what?

[obsidian thistle]

... I know them all

(And if I say a name... someone here is bound to know or quickly Halopedia it aha)

Oh as a fun note!

Marvin got REALLY close to the Index if we take book dialogue and scripted dialogue seriously.

[empty bloom]

Still don't think that's so much an indicator of his skill so much as it is a rough guesstimation of when the flood showed up at the Library.

... Which would've been around when he died.

(That said, if he was so mangled that the flood couldn't use him, how did Chief even recognize his corpse as human)

[obsidian thistle]

Never said anything about his skill

More that he just got "REALLY" close

[empty bloom]

Oh, most people do, was responding accordingly. Fair enough.

[obsidian thistle]

Like we can reasonably iron down where in the level he made it

Not exactly unfortunately

But the general area yes

[stoic hamlet]

One level to go, I think.

Or… floor, I guess.

[last anchor]

I like to think he was doing okay and then thr Flood showed up in force and got smacked

[untold storm]

Story idea:

Hierarch-turned-Prelate fights his way out of flood-infested High Charity and has to work with a captured ODST to escape. (Influences- Dead Space, Dead Rising, Resident Evil)

[wispy pewter]

Story Idea: The Autobots help the UNSC in fighting the banished

[gusty star]

Why does it have to be a Hierarch-turned-Prelate?

Why can’t it just be a Prelate?

[untold storm]

Because character development

Hierarch starts out as extremely selfish but gradually becomes more caring and less self centered

[gusty star]

Why can’t you just have a Prelate do that

[untold storm]

*character development, also I find a desperate action taken by a character who’s never seen combat before, engage in combat and using desperate actions to survive High Charity’s outbreak

[carmine sleet]

None of the hierarchs could have become a Prelate, we see them die in Halo 2 and 3. And while we don't have details on how exactly they are augmented, I doubt that the process of augmenting a Prelate is something that can be done quickly when in the middle of what is basically a space zombie outbreak

[mellow thorn]

“Vile, disloyal beasts”

[carmine sleet]

And like Ardo said, it's easier to just have it be a Prelate than to try and have them be one of the hierarchs

Like, Mercy isn't exactly someone I see people clamouring for more of, especially not in the context of him becoming a super soldier

[empty bloom]

Ripped apart by tank forms at the end, tragic

[untold storm]

Well… I’d like to imagine a specific soon-to-be Hierarch taking Regret’s position. Having access to classified technology in case of an emergency would by no doubt be an option. Even at a crisis such as that one

Sure call me weird, but I just wanted to brain dump a plot

The point is to avoid the protagonist being a Marty Stu

[carmine sleet]

By that logic then, Chief is one because we didn't see him go through the process of being augmented in Combat Evolved

[untold storm]

Unfortunately yes… can’t argue there

[empty bloom]

@plush summit So basically, all Spartan gens wore GEN1/GEN2/GEN3 as time went on, only usually skipping GEN1 or using a different armor like SPI.

So no gen was ever solely issued out of date or shoddy armor or 'worse' armor in perpetuity, they were just issued what they needed and could be afforded. A III could wear a size appropriate version of Chief's armor, for example.

A IV could hypothetically wear a GEN1 suit of Mark IV (And according to Infinite, some do), but it's more a matter of "We really need people in armor now and this refurbished gear is all we have"

[plush summit]

weren’t spartan II’s all issued mjolnir armor though?

[humble girder]

spartan IIIs are a cheap replacement

most died on reach

[empty bloom]

Roughly 2/3rds of IIIs ever made did not die on Reach.

[plush summit]

they went MIA

[empty bloom]

Of about 900 IIIs (Really around like 1000), only 20 max would've died on Reach.

[plush summit]

noble six is in a cave i promise

[empty bloom]

600 died between Alpha and Beta Company.

Both on two worlds that weren't Reach.

[humble girder]

theres 8 confirmed spartan 3s rn alive

[empty bloom]

And?

[humble girder]

most died

[empty bloom]

That doesn't mean that most IIIs died on Reach.

Most IIIs died without ever even seeing Reach.

The grand majority died that way, in fact.

[humble girder]

alot of the spartans blew up on a station after reach

[empty bloom]

Those were IVs.

And that was under 100.

[wispy pewter]

I'm pretty sure one entire company is still alive

[humble girder]

and more died but i forgot how

[empty bloom]

Gamma Company is mostly alive but unknown status otherwise.

[empty bloom]

They were, but that's not solely due to status.

[wispy pewter]

Rip Mark, it should have been the other Ferret

[empty bloom]

That's just what they are issued. If a mission called for IIs to wear Mirage, I doubt they'd really complain if it was really needed.

[humble girder]

i think gray team is still alive

[empty bloom]

They are. They're patrolling the JOZ with a few elites.

After they cracked a planet by mistake.

[humble girder]

lol

And i think alpha nine is still alive

[empty bloom]

Also, IIIs weren't really cheap 'replacements'. There was a fundamental disconnect between how Kurt ran the program and how Ackerson saw the program; The reality of how the program was ran meant that IIIs weren't really the expendable 'replacements' that Ackerson thought of them as.

[plush summit]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-power-rangers-zeo-too-much-questions-stress-gif-15839011

[wispy pewter]

They didn't die in the last book... Not sure about the Mickey

[empty bloom]

The Mickey

[humble girder]

they became spartan ivs i think

[wispy pewter]

Oh yeah I was gonna write traitor but then remembered his name

[wispy pewter]

I hope Buck still on the ring somewhere

[humble girder]

yea

but its very low he is

[wispy pewter]

I think Alpha Nine saved Veronica in that Halo waypoint. But that was before the event of Infinite

Oh yeah they did

[humble girder]

If he wasn't with lock when he died he might be alive

[wispy pewter]

I'm gonna assume he's still alive

No way they gonna kill off a future lantern

[empty bloom]

Locke's status is unknown, not dead.

[humble girder]

his helmet was on a grunt

[empty bloom]

Strangely enough, literally nobody in the game says he is dead.

[dense falcon]

Brute*

[humble girder]

but spartans go MIA

[wispy pewter]

Spartans never die

Some of them just get obliterated or maimed

[empty bloom]

Famously 9' tall non-hunchbacked non-crustacean creatures, those grunts.

[humble girder]

lol

[wispy pewter]

Monke

If brutes didn't stick with melee weapons they would have conquered the galaxy

[empty bloom]

But no, pretty much everyone involved with Locke's fate as it has been discussed has pointedly avoided saying he's dead.

Hyperius himself doesn't even say it.

[humble girder]

yea

[empty bloom]

The guy who, according to his brother, is a complete fool and coward.

[wispy pewter]

They can't kill off Locke

[humble girder]

isnt bell or whatever her name is looking for a forerunner artifact

[empty bloom]

And couldn't secure a personal kill on a critically wounded IV before said IV killed about 34 Banished in close quarters with nothing but a crate, an AR, a thruster kit, and a kit of screwdrivers.

[empty bloom]

I mean, they could, but it'd be like, super lame if they did, so.

[wispy pewter]

Killing off the only black Spartan

[humble girder]

why do some Spartans take off their helmet near death

[wispy pewter]

So we can see their face

[empty bloom]

Hoya

[carmine sleet]

Romeo

[empty bloom]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/4/42/H4_Render-Profile_CarloHoya.png/revision/latest?cb=20150811222107

[carmine sleet]

Agryna

[empty bloom]

We knew Hoya before we knew Romeo was a Spartan tbf

Ditto with Agryna

[carmine sleet]

True but it's still wrong to say Locke is the only black Spartan

[empty bloom]

Yep

[humble girder]

crazy how noble team died in their roles kat had a tech malfunction emile died in cqb carther died in a leader way and 6 died alone

[wispy pewter]

🦫. I see

I forgot she existed

[empty bloom]

[humble girder]

🥯

[empty bloom]

You have no idea how much pain this causes me

[humble girder]

yea

[wispy pewter]

And Jun survived

Why

[empty bloom]

It's such a bad claim, I hate it lmao

[carmine sleet]

I don't know if I'd call being shot in the head a malfunction

[wispy pewter]

EXPLAIN

[humble girder]

noooo

[humble girder]

her sheild malfunctioned

[empty bloom]

Oh. Oh no. You're not joking.

[carmine sleet]

The shield didn't kill her

[humble girder]

but she might have died anyway

even with a shield

[empty bloom]

If it was a beam rifle, like it probably should have been, sure.

Needle rifles shouldn't penetrate a Spartan's helmet when they can't even penetrate an ODST's helmet in the same game.

[humble girder]

Reach is grim instead being like the other halos were humanity was winning they were losing

[empty bloom]

Did... Did you only play Reach?

[humble girder]

Yea

Jk

[empty bloom]

And like, never touch any other aspect of Halo of any kind, ever?

[carmine sleet]

Humanity was losing in Halo 1 and 2. Even then in Halo 3, it was less of humanity winning the war and more humanity surviving the war due to very specific events happening within the Covenant during Halo 2

[humble girder]

Or in the year reach was based in they were losing hardly

[wispy pewter]

Halo 4 humanity wins a little

[empty bloom]

Halo CE, 2, 3, Reach, and ODST all take place the same year.

[carmine sleet]

In Reach, they definitely were losing the war

[humble girder]

I think in odst while in the drop pod you could see noble team

[empty bloom]

...

[humble girder]

But ppl only said

[empty bloom]

Okay at this point it's obvious you're just a troll.

[humble girder]

You don’t knoe

Lol

[wispy pewter]

Sike

[humble girder]

Jk

[empty bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-4-halo-halo-arrest-him-halo-del-rio-lieutenant-arrest-that-man-gif-17775868661155889686

[humble girder]

Funny to troll a lil

[wispy pewter]

Sarah Palmer was not going to try to arrest the MC helmetless. Smart

[empty bloom]

I mean, if he actually tried to get violent I don't doubt you'd have a fireteam bashing his skull into the deck within 2 minutes.

Hell, 1.

[wispy pewter]

In the show they tried arresting Chief twice and it ended in brain damage twice

[empty bloom]

Chief's good but he ain't 'hold off 5+Spartans' good.

[carmine sleet]

Chief is just the jack of all trades, master of none Spartan

[empty bloom]

Like, he had a rough time fighting Locke. Can't imagine he'd have fun fighting a full Fireteam that are now responding to arrest a now openly in the wrong II.

[wispy pewter]

Don't remind me of that 0.75 speed fight

Sorry, 0.5

[carmine sleet]

Neither of them were trying to kill the other

[empty bloom]

Too bad. Reminder that Locke was physically overpowering Chief at one point.

(The part just before Chief headbutts Locke, Locke was gaining the advantage through leverage)

[wispy pewter]

I prefer Halo followers version tbh

[empty bloom]

Oh, that dumpster fire?

Hey, someone's gotta enjoy trash fumes, I guess.

[humble girder]

🥙

[wispy pewter]

I guess he just hates Locke

[empty bloom]

Oh wow

You don't say

[wispy pewter]

Every Halo fan feelings when he punched Chief in the visor

[empty bloom]

... Nothing? Because I don't consider Chief particularly special?

Or sacred?

[humble girder]

Imagine if they release halo 3 odst remastered

[wispy pewter]

Without him it will be like Star Wars without the Jedi

[empty bloom]

Fundamentally a better property?

[carmine sleet]

I have seen some of Halofollower's "Animations", safe to say he doesn't understand allot of basic animation fundamentals. Then you get stuff like his Helldiver videos which are clearly made for a very specific audience that you just should never cater to

[wispy pewter]

Oh yeah those videos were cringe

[carmine sleet]

Andor exists and it's easily some of the best Star Wars we have

[wispy pewter]

I agree Andor is superior to a lot of shows out there

Star wars shows

[empty bloom]

Do we just pretend people hate Bad Batch now or something

[carmine sleet]

The Jedi are not the be all and end all of Star Wars

[wispy pewter]

Damn I miss tech

[carmine sleet]

I have mixed feelings on Bad Batch but that's in part because I am tired of seeing them use the Clone Wars artstyle for new animated projects

[empty bloom]

The Spartan with the pink techsuit and Mark V helmet

[carmine sleet]

Don't remind me

[empty bloom]

I'd say he fell off cause of it, but that'd imply I thought he was respectable in the first place

[carmine sleet]

Aye, agreed

[wispy pewter]

Yeah that's not the only unrealistic part of that Spartan...

[obsidian thistle]

I do like how Halo is moving beyond Mjolnir Generations now as the primary route.

I estimate if GEN4 becomes a thing. It will be an extreme version of what GEN3 is right now

[wispy pewter]

Gen 4 will have flight

[obsidian thistle]

If GEN1 is a computers in the early years seeing what worked, people only using what was made cause they had no choice.

GEN2 is the specialised computer era where they use the same base (undersuit)

GEN3 is the era where there its more computer standards, and while yes there is indeed stuff made for it. Companies are starting to deviate, not follow, or just use MJOLNIR tech.

A hypothetical GEN4 would be full on standards with groups just making armor based on said standards off the bat or going their own way.

It will be akin to "This operation requires armor that meets the current generation specs".

[wispy pewter]

Honestly if it were up to me Gen 4 should have these characteristics:

1. Flight
2. Ability to be worn and taken off by Spartan themselves
3. Everything Gen 1-3 has

[carmine sleet]

There's no reason for Spartans to be able to fly at all times

Sure a jetpack can be useful but that's mission specific equipment that you don't always need. It'd be dead weight on missions where you're in close range environments where flying is not an option

And like, Spartans aren't trying to be Iron Man

[glossy sun]

Don't thrusters allow for jumps up to high places?

[carmine sleet]

They allowed them to hover and stabilise while falling, but they couldn't fly with them

[glossy sun]

Makes sense

[carmine sleet]

Who was it again here that I was speaking with that suggested that the next Halo campaign should have Jega as a playable character alongside Chief and his story?

[teal forum]

Can anyone help me identify which crates these are and the game they are from? It's upcoming UNSC terrain for Halo Flashpoint. The imgur link are what I'm at specifically but the Flashpoint link is where it's from.
https://imgur.com/a/2m1I3R0
https://haloflashpoint.manticgames.com/products/unsc-plastic-scenery-set/

[gusty star]

Def not from a Bungie game. My guess is 5 or Infinite

[last anchor]

The large water crates are from Reach, you see them in the first level.
The ammunition pallets Im not sure but they might be new.

[carmine sleet]

The generators look like the ones from Generator Defence in Reach too

[last anchor]

Yep

[gusty star]

Well he asked about the crates, not the generators

[teal forum]

Yes the crates not generators!

[thin chasm]

If i were to read Helljumper as a stand alone book, would i miss something by not reading other Halo books?

[gusty star]

Isn’t Helljumper a comic?

[unique rune]

Well. Technically still a book. Sure can read it standalone. Only really loosely connected to H3 ODST and the Alpha-Nine books later on.

[thin chasm]

Yes, that.

[thin chasm]

I see, thanks for the info!

[humble girder]

🍔

[obsidian thistle]

You'll appreciate this after!

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYFg8s7cY3CuKrQVj5G6liVlxidqvmyCK&si=ngV9VGLxkC_Yf0u4

But it isnt required

[thin chasm]

Ohh this is pretty cool!

[obsidian thistle]

Almost lost media that was

Yer welcome

[thin chasm]

Yeah, just finished watching the interviews and reading the comic, man that was such a fun read

i wonder what should i read next from the Halo books

[carmine sleet]

Have you read Cole Protocol?

[thin chasm]

Not yet, this is the first Halo book i've read.

I was thinking of reading The Fall of Reach next. But i might check out the Cole Protocol too if i find it anywhere.

[carmine sleet]

Definitely read Fall of Reach

[thin chasm]

Yeah i found the cole protocol, i'll read both.

[stoic hamlet]

Wait you started with New Blood?

Interesting choice.

I second reading The Fall of Reach.

[strange oracle]

do we know any info on what happened to anders/red team after the events of HW2?

[carmine sleet]

Red Team are still fighting the good fight on the Ark, now with a couple Ferrets and their handler helping them

Anders we don't know

[ripe patio]

OG release order is my recommended book order. Fall of Reach, the flood, and First Strike set the tone for the whole rest of the franchise

[thin chasm]

I actually started with Helljumpers lol

[stoic hamlet]

Spartans, ferret is just a unit designation.

Specifically, the Spartans in question are Gamma Company Spartan III’s, the remainder of Team Saber.

[carmine sleet]

I know, but I like calling them Ferrets

[ripe patio]

the green Ferrets

[last anchor]

Huh.
So the new store armor set, the spooky skull mask and armor...its canon.
ONI actually makes armor designed specificlaly to scare people.

That honestly kinda fits

[stoic hamlet]

I preferred when Section I and II were like… regular military intelligence units.

Really my only issue is the skull plate and the scythe though, really. They just seem a bit over the top for canon.

[ripe patio]

maybe they got tired of spartans hand-carving skulls on their fa ce plate

[unique rune]

Still a little disappointed that the Camazotz stuff isn't canon.
Especially if they're gonna make something like that skull mask canon.

[empty bloom]

What's funny is that the Wrath GEN2 armor (The emile clone in 5) is supposedly built with the scratches added in.

Which might actually be even dumber than Emile's visor in the first place.

[ebon condor]

There's a guy at the end of the assembly line with a knife and Linkin Park blasting, doubling production time compared to normal EVA

[crude stirrup]

Guys

What is the guardian in background on halo infinite map?

[unique rune]

One of them

[dusk jetty]

A guardian of the galaxy

[unique rune]

Who?

[empty bloom]

The guardian in the background on Halo Infinite's map is a Guardian in the background

[wispy pewter]

The Ferrets are armourless tho

[humble girder]

🍔

[stoic hamlet]

Who was this in reply to?

[wispy pewter]

Whoever mentioned them ig

[empty bloom]

So Eclipse sounds a lot like it's meant for teams meant to cause internal strife.

Interesting.

[humble girder]

🥓

[stoic hamlet]

I wonder if it’s a bubble helm to evoke images of SPI?

I’m probably looking too far into it…

[empty bloom]

Maybe, but they slap it on Mark VII. It does seem like a more 'sensible' version of Wrath.

[humble girder]

🍔

[empty bloom]

If it was for SPI it'd honestly make a lot more sense.

[stoic hamlet]

Without the scythe chest, yeah

The skull faceplate I also don’t like, but oh well.

[empty bloom]

Yeah I'm trying not to think about the scythe that's more just a kama in the hands of a Spartan

[empty bloom]

Eh, I prefer it to whatever Wrath's stupid deal was

[stoic hamlet]

It’s really odd, because the helmet itself feels very canon.

But the rest of the bundle just seems over the top.

Though as I mentioned before, I miss when section II was just like, regular military intelligence.

[empty bloom]

@stoic hamlet Executor lore

[stoic hamlet]

Yeeeee!

The bundle overall is pretty good.

Deltajock

[empty bloom]

It's not part ofthe Deltajock bundle

Weirdly enough

It's part of the Stellar Eclipse Bundle

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah. It’s why I’m unsure in the bundle’s… full canonicity.

But yeah, it and Deltajock have some great lore.

[empty bloom]

Eh, I'll treat it as canon until it's stated otherwise.

[carmine sleet]

They do wear armour, we see that in Divine Wind

[wispy pewter]

I should have said SPI-less

[stoic hamlet]

They wear SPI as well, if the mission calls for it.

MJOLNIR as well, again, if the mission calls for it.

[wispy pewter]

Yeah I know but since they were undercover in the latest book they didnr't im pretty sure. Not sure how they will be able to get 3 pairs on the SoF

[carmine sleet]

The Spirit of Fire will work something out. It's not like they haven't been making modifications to Red Team's Mjolnir or anything

Like I doubt they'll make full suits for the Ferrets, but I'm sure they'll figure something out

[empty bloom]

I really don't get why the ferrets didn't wear Rakshasa considering how apparently everyone and their mother wears that damn armor according to Halo's armor release schedule.

[carmine sleet]

Divine Wind released before Rakshasa was introduced to us, no?

[empty bloom]

Yes, but I'm also poking at how frustrating Rakshasa has been for ear-to-grindstone types.

[carmine sleet]

Fair

[sacred patio]

Which armors can we consider canon?

[strange pumice]

I guess all of them

[sacred patio]

Including the Fracture armors?

[carmine sleet]

Chimera yes, the other fractures no

But there is only one user of Chimera and he's following the orders of Sloan

[sacred patio]

Thank you for responding. The truth is that I'm not a fan of canon multiverses or time branches. I'm glad they're not canon and just an excuse to have variety and creative licenses within the team. But please let it stay that way and never consider making the multiverse canon.

[sacred patio]

This sounds really interesting

[carmine sleet]

Closest we're gonna get to a Halo multiverse is the fact that the Silver timeline exists but given the overall reception of the show, I don't think we're gonna see any more stories from that timeline

[sacred patio]

I don’t want to be seen as a hater, nor do I want to disrespect anyone's work. But I sincerely hope that series gets canceled and the idea of multiverses is discarded forever, only to be used as an excuse to provide creative freedom to the art and design teams when creating non-canon content for the armors.

The Halo universe is very rich and extensive, allowing for complete creative freedom when it comes to creating new content. We've seen examples of this recently with the whole matter of the Spartans being united with the Banished.

[sacred patio]

Could you provide me with a link to this information? I'm interested in reading more about it.

[carmine sleet]

Was already working on getting you a link https://www.halopedia.org/The_Executor

[sacred patio]

Thank you very much

[carmine sleet]

You're welcome and have fun learning about the guy behind the datapads scattered across Reach

[wispy pewter]

we still need a Halo: Multiverse story

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-4-halo-halo-arrest-him-halo-del-rio-lieutenant-arrest-that-man-gif-17775868661155889686

[stoic hamlet]

technically Yoroi is also canon…. But as a toy.

[crude stirrup]

And for why he is in map

[carmine sleet]

Tell me more, tell me more! 🎶

[stoic hamlet]

Just that. Mentioned in the last Tenrai chronicle.

[carmine sleet]

Ah

[empty bloom]

Just is

[carmine sleet]

The Guardian was eepy

[unborn patrol]

cortana never got her guardian license and crashed it

[stoic hamlet]

Real eepy hours.

[orchid kettle]

the real twist is that Atriox blew up Doisac himself when he used the Guardian Killer weapon to shoot down the Guardians assembling over Doisac

im not really sure how the weapon sucks the lifeforce out of a world, honestly

[carmine sleet]

I don't think it's a literal sucking of life out the world and more that repeated uses caused irreversible harm to the planet's ecosystem

[orchid kettle]

Sure, I'd just like to know how

is it just venting a ton of green house gases or something

[crude stirrup]

But

The serious question is

Where is arbiter?

And the others spartans of the 2 teams in halo 5

[orchid kettle]

oh apparently greenhouse gases is exactly what's theorized in Silent Storm

[carmine sleet]

He is busy on Sanghelios alongside Vale, Buck is back with Alpha 9 doing ops, Locke is MIA, Tanaka and Blue Team we don't know

[crude stirrup]

Locke?

[carmine sleet]

He's the one you played as in Halo 5's Osiris missions

[crude stirrup]

Yes i know It was with him that I discovered this wonderful game.

but he didn't die? well, at least that's what the grunt from the banished radio said

[carmine sleet]

You can't trust a Grunt who's whole thing was propaganda

[orchid kettle]

I believe at the moment it seems like Locke fought whatshisface and had his helmet taken, but is probably still alive somewhere

[carmine sleet]

I kinda like the version where Hyperious didn't even fight him and just found pieces of his armour

Like, imagine if Locke's just vibing in a new Gen 3 suit and Hyperious found his old Gen 2 suit in the ruins of Infinity

[last anchor]

Must have missed that one

[last anchor]

Tovarious does call Hyperious a coward when Chief murders him With his own chopper to the face at full speed during the fight in the crashed UNSC ships.

Would be fitting for him to consider his sibling a coward for wearing armor he didnt earn.

My personal theory is he kept the helmet after Locke used it impromptu as a bludgening weapon to get free of him.

[crude stirrup]

And the spartan with the IA banished, he is the noble 6?

[carmine sleet]

Six is dead

Like, it's impossible for him to come back from the dead

The only Spartan who is part of the Banished, is Ilsa Zane

[obsidian thistle]

That we know about anyhow

[empty bloom]

He said he was defeated, not killed.

[crude stirrup]

The introduction scene of the season when lauch the bandit

[carmine sleet]

Eklund and Dinh aren't part of the Banished

Dinh just has the shoulder piece of an Elite Enforcer he scavenged in the field

[sacred patio]

I wish they hadn't canceled the multiplayer story. It was one of the few things I liked and gave me reasons to play PVP.

[high elbow]

I second this. The level of excitement I had when we broke into the ONI room with Dinh? And then for MP story to get scrapped? Big depresso

[unique rune]

That was… frustrating. Finally getting somewhere only for it all get canned.

[obsidian thistle]

The story thread isnt even closed

Iratus is currently causing issues

And still is last we saw

[stoic hamlet]

One of those things where we might have been better off, if the… uh… rumours, were true.

[last anchor]

Wonder if that was when the layoffs started hitting

[humble girder]

🍔

[stoic hamlet]

Is there a reason you continue to post that?

Or is this the newest fad of the youth?

[steel stone]

Its making me hungry, just put a burger on

Maybe we should all have something nice to eat I dunno

[humble girder]

lore

[bronze prawn]

so, how is the logic plague actually cured ?

because mendicant bias actually improve in all those centuries in the dreadnough and seemed pretty much back a good guy in halo 3

but the didact was pretty insane in halo 4 after all those similar thousands of years in the cryptum

[empty bloom]

Time, thought, knowledge.

[spark pivot]

to be fair, we dont really know how time works in a cryptum, for him it could've been just a few... uhh, whatever the forerunner equivalent is to a day, but mendicant bias had all 100k years to think over what he did

[ocean kite]

This may seem like a random and stupid question
Also I dunno if it's even the right channel for it so feel free to tell me if it isn't

But I just finished reading Fall of Reach for the first time
And I was doing some research while reading it about Bungie's relationship with the books and their attitude towards them and apparent dislike since it was controlled by a 3rd party
So that got me thinking, was Halsey a Bungie character? Or was she created by the books and then Bungie included her after?
Again sorry if this is a stupid question

[ebon condor]

I guess she was first introduced in a novel so it's the second one

But they included her in a manual for the steel book Halo 2 edition so I doubt they particularly disliked her character

And she was in Reach obv

[empty bloom]

Fall of Reach came out before the first game and most of CE's script was not Bungie. Halsey was only really mentioned in Halo 3 by Bungie.

Bungie's relationship with books and the original Halo Wars team had a lot to do with their team having a massive ego and poor manners.

[steel stone]

I got to watch Act Mans video on this, damn Bungie was not very nice to them which is very sad to see

[wispy pewter]

Doesn't Microsoft have the final say

[hot zodiac]

most of CE's script was not Bungie.

This is the result of malicious telephone info. All story came from Bungie. Joesph Staten wrote all the cutscenes. Eric T, Brannon Boren, and Bungie's Matt Soell "punched up" 80% of the in-mission dialouge from what was already written.

[hot zodiac]

Halsey was the brain child of Brannon Boren, who was with Microsofts Franchise Development Group. Bungie would have to approve of this groups work and worked with them to develop the novels.

Halseys presence in the games would subtly grow until she made her first appearance with Halo: Reach

[deep pewter]

Yeah Bungie was really crappy to people that wanted to support Halo that were outside of their team

[orchid kettle]

I've always seen Halsey as "Nylund's precious baby" even if he didn't literally invent the concept of her.

At least, I don't know if there was any external push to make her so central to First Strike and GoO, so I assume he gave her this whole storyline because he liked her

[meager pier]

I will say, I thank Microsoft for stepping in to defend Nylund, as he was writing The Fall of Reach, and Bungie tried to have the book cancelled, not liking Chief’s backstory being explored or having a personality

Because of Nylund, we got the twisted origins of the Spartan-IIs

[stoic hamlet]

And Trautmann, don’t forget.

Without them we wouldn’t have the Insurrection.

[meager pier]

True

[wispy pewter]

heard he didn't receive royalties for the 343 updates

[empty bloom]

"Malicious telephone info"

Lmao

Lol even

Next you'll tell me Staten saved Infinite's story.

I'm far more inclined to believe Trautmann's side of the story. Better reflects what we know of Bungie's studio attitude.

[hot zodiac]

That is Trautmann's side of the story. People like to misrepresent it.

[empty bloom]

Nah.

He said it pretty damn plainly.

[hot zodiac]

Yes, he did.

[empty bloom]

And it wasn't some stupid 'malicious game of telephone', which is why I know he said it plainly wasn't what you said.

[hot zodiac]

Go ahead and listen to it again. All the story was from Bungie.

[empty bloom]

I've listened to the damn interview, that's how I know it wasn't all Bungie.

[hot zodiac]

Clearly not

[empty bloom]

I'm sorry you disagree.

[hot zodiac]

You read a Haruspis article though

Who he had to correct

[empty bloom]

What are you yapping about now?

I'm talking about the 2011 interview.

[hot zodiac]

Yes, which had been misrepsrented numerous times, notably by Haruspis who Eric had to correct on twitter

[empty bloom]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unborn patrol]

trenchbird really gotta learn how to not be aggressive and condescending all the time

really tiring to watch

[hot zodiac]

But that wouldn't leave us any fun

[empty bloom]

I can solve that.

[unborn patrol]

yeah by learning to behave yourself

its literally against the rules

get a grip

touch some grass

theres a 50/50 chance that when you type here it makes me go "touch grass" or "damn you rude as hell"

[empty bloom]

Oh, I'll redress myself entirely and change my entire conversational attitude because one user on Discord is upset that I get snippy.

[unborn patrol]

yeah Im sure Im the only one thats tired of looking at it

I might be the only one to tell you this

[hot zodiac]

It would have stopped you from being banned in other servers

[unborn patrol]

💀

[empty bloom]

Nah, they let the guy who spammed the N-word back in.

[unborn patrol]

please grow and change as a person

[empty bloom]

I'm not exactly inclined to believe that it had anything to do with a conversational attitude when someone who spams slurs was let back in.

Or when freaking Nighterlev is still hanging around there like a bad smell.

[unborn patrol]

the fact that youre avoiding the topic by trying to bring it onto another person

[empty bloom]

I mean, I know why I was banned. I argued with specific moderators too much and in a similar way to how I do here.

That doesn't mean I can't also fully acknowledge that it was personal and that there were people who were worse than I was.

[unborn patrol]

I dont care about your other server problems and you arent supposed to bring them here. Im specifically talking about how you go about things here, because here is where I see it

[empty bloom]

It came up and you commented. You don't want to get involved, don't comment.

By commenting on what I'm saying when I'm pointing something out, you are literally involving yourself in the conversation.

[unborn patrol]

yap yap

take note or dont. think its only me or think its also others. dont really care, point is youre against the rules and thats it

[empty bloom]

That remark probably would've been more effective if you stopped typing and talking.

[unborn patrol]

yeah but see Im not here to spite you. Im here to tell you you make the atmosphere here miserable at times.

and even if you think Im wrong, its good for you to realize that youre behaving in a way thats against the rules so change it

[empty bloom]

Really depends on who you talk to there.

This? This is absolutely miserable. Talking about other things, not so much.

[thorn spindle]

trautmann i know him he's from rambo right?

[empty bloom]

Uh... Sure.

[stoic hamlet]

I mean… technically.

Honestly I’m surprised someone hasn’t made a meme about that yet.

[meager pier]

While Bungie at large were big fans of the books, Joe Staten seemed to be an outlier

He even wrote 1 of the books

[carmine sleet]

I assume you meant Bungie weren't big fans. Be weird for Joe to not be a fan of the books and then write one

[unborn patrol]

the duality of man

[bronze prawn]

i never expected the whole "touch some grass" argument with halo fans

[empty bloom]

Why not? It's the norm, Halo fans are allergic to it.

[orchid kettle]

Wrote two even if you count the shadow of intent novella

[meager pier]

Prolly too late, but man, it’d be so awesome to get a game with him as lead writer again

[carmine sleet]

He's working for Netflix games now, right?

[orchid kettle]

I will say this battle over who has the illustrious honor of having written CE is kinda funny

Because to me at least, CE's "story" mainly works in the same way a haunted house or roller coaster works, where it's just real good at pacing the high tension moments with the quieter ones

along with twists and turns like the Flood's introduction

But like, a lot of that is built into the level design itself, it feels like.

Even with the "this cave is not a natural formation" anecdote, Trautmann mentions being told how the player encounters a cave mouth and then realizes it is an artificial facility, adding to the allure and mystery of the Halo ring

and it sounds like Trautmann just had to put words to this story beat that was already being accomplished by the people who actually made the level, or at least had an idea of how the level would unfold

[hot zodiac]

The beat-to-beat story of the game would be done as the levels were made, pretty much

By large the story and plot of the game would be done by late 2000 and would get slimmed down and adjusted as development really kicked off

[bronze prawn]

Men I got really frustated playing CE in MCC

like, every f------ room looks exactly the same and i cant find the way out

[strange pumice]

Use anniversary graphics

[carmine sleet]

Yeah, while it makes everything a little too lit up, the arrows on the floor in all Forerunner corridors do really help in CEA

[ocean kite]

Ahh ok, thank you

I do have another question regarding the Fall of Reach
How did none of the Spartan 2s realise Reach was being actively invaded while they returned for the debrief about operation red flag?

[stoic hamlet]

It’s due to a retcon, obviously, considering the book is ten years the games’ senior.

But you can kind of assume it was kept from them, retroactively the book even sort of hints at this, in a few parts.

[ocean kite]

Yeah I understand that reach the game couldn't be considered when writing the fall of reach due to it not even existing yet but from my understanding 343 still consider them both to be canon right?
And I just watched the timeline breakdown of both the game and book by Halo Canon on YouTube and I dunno it just seems wack to me
Like the debrief seems to happen after New Alexandria has already been evacuated and certain areas are already being glassed

Like how do you not notice that when landing back on the planet?

Surely the ships would be visible or something

[hot zodiac]

Yeah, the other characters having to play pretend that the planet isn't being invaded is the most inconsolable part of the differences between the two. This notion was formally canonized in 2011 I think.

https://www.halopedia.org/Data_Drop#tabsection-4-0

[stoic hamlet]

I helped with that video :D

but yeah, I personally think a retcon of the dates for the book, specifically the armour test, would fix basically all the issues with it, but alas.

[ocean kite]

Oh dang no way, nice job, the video was really good!

[orchid kettle]

It is worth mentioning that I think Chief is like, over a thousand miles away from any battle when he's testing Mark V

which would be like trying to spot something hovering over dallas tx from arizona

at some point the curvature of the planet just doesn't let you do that

[unique rune]

the UEG is hiding the fact that Reach is flat
wake up sheeple

[thorn spindle]

Reach is flat, hollow and made of glass!

[warm lion]

Two qiestions. One: Would Atriox or Esharum be okay with sending a full on army of Banished to die just to take one base from the UNSC and even approve a suicide mission like that?

Two: Has there ever been a Spartan team that can remain in Active Camo 24/7 and say the mission is more important then they're own lives, and on top of that. Even be able to fight an entire Banished Legion with only half a base?

[gusty star]

What in the living fanfiction

[wispy pewter]

I mean a few dozen Spartans died fighting in the battle of the Mortal Reverie

Few dozen Spartans there must be atleast a thousand Banished troops

[last anchor]

No, and no

[ocean kite]

Ok I have another question about it all, just making sure I got everything right
Was Halsey aware that reach was being invaded during the events of the Fall of Reach book? Like when she was testing the mk v suit with chief

Or was she also in the dark?

[last anchor]

She knew

Most of ONI High Command did

Or rather she suspected at first and then had confirmation

[fair hazel]

She had also witnessed it first hand

[empty bloom]

Depends on the strategic value of the base.

No-ish. The IIIs were actually expected to 'live', given their precarious situation and the presence of viable evacuation, so I'd say plenty of Spartans did exist who'd be willing to do that, just not in 2560.

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah I could see the banished pull something like that.

If Atriox thought it was valuable enough.

[last anchor]

They'd probably just hit it from orbit

Or drop a moon on it

[lone plover]

why dont spartan get their own version of assault rifle that instead of firing regular 308 nato...it more in line to say..50 cal and such

just like how space marine get bolters instead of las or autogun

[carmine sleet]

It's impractical to have a rifle that's only got a limited number of users

[empty bloom]

Logistics.

It doesn't make sense in 40K but it gets ignored because 40K.

Also, .308 is not a NATO caliber.

7.62x51mm is, but .308 is not.

[last anchor]

Spartans can carry things other soldiers don't usually with ease anyway.
Presumably the SRS99 is not used as a sprint-to-stop and fire weapon by most unaugmented troopers despite what the games say.

The thing is the sized of a flag pole.

[wispy pewter]

do grenades increase in size when spartans hold them

[carmine sleet]

Grenades don't magically change size depending on who holds them

[wispy pewter]

Well unless they have Spartan sized grenades it must be really tough to use a grenade with Spartan hands

[carmine sleet]

They don't make grenades exclusive for Spartan use

[gusty star]

Not great questions being asked today guys

[carmine sleet]

I need questions that'll actually get me thinking

[wispy pewter]

what if the commies won in the interplanetray wars? 🤓

[high elbow]

Try this on for size then:
How is the Rakasha armor set powered? Dev’s response was “Very efficiently” which was not helpful.

Or, more likely, does the Rakasha suit function like a SPI suit?

[obsidian thistle]

Its probably Mjolnir-lite

[ripe patio]

Did any of the outer or inner colonies survive up to the invasion of Earth? If so how many do we know about?

Presumably yes, because wouldn't humans start expanding to all of our nearby stars in every direction, growing out presence like a 3d sphere increasing in size?
Wouldn't the Covenant be attacking from some general direction, and so would be working through the outer and inner colonies only from one main side of that sphere?
If so, that would leave a ton of colonies "behind" Earth from the consideration of the direction of the Covenant invasions, yeah?

[dusk jetty]

Tribute was partially glassed and reconstruction efforts began after the war ended

That’s all I can think of off the top of my head

Regret (and later truth) also bypassed several worlds that I don’t think are named

[stoic hamlet]

There were several colonies that survived the war, we recently got a list in the newest encyclopedia.

There’s actually more than you might think.

(Too many to list)

[dusk jetty]

There’s a lot in the encyclopedia, yeah

Don’t think any of them are particularly important in the broader perspective but there are probably more than just earth and the other solar system planets and tribute

[stoic hamlet]

And even those aren’t all of them, just some.

[ripe patio]

As a follow up, how did it take the Covenant so long to find our main star systems.
Harvest is in the Epsilon Indi system.
That system, IRL, is only ~12 light years away from Earth.
According to this diagram of our local stellar neighborhood, there are NOT than many stars within a 12 light year diameter of Earth (and presumably a similar number around Epsilon Indi) -
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/3_Solar_Interstellar_Neighborhood_(ELitU).png

The Sigma Octanis system (where the tracker that revealed Reach's location was attached) is ~280 light years away, and there are a LOT of stars within a 280 ly radius of it. Was this just a case of the writers not really considering our IRL 3d stellar neighborhood and picking named systems kinda at random?

I guess I should have just searched, it has been discussed before. TLDR: Retcon to say it was a different star system ( Maybe Epsilon Indi II ), or assume that it travelled VERY VERY FAR in 500 years lol

Or "It was just really far when travelling through slipspace" which is a kinda silly solution than just saying "eh it isn't the same as our universe"

[tropic forge]

Could be batteries like some other specialist MJOLNIR variants. The "very efficently" did come across as a little condescending but it's not really a canon issue.

[high elbow]

I had not considered batteries. That would make sense

[sonic lagoon]

How much radiation can the flood take?

[unique rune]

at least 2
maybe even 3

[spark pivot]

Yes, see the halo encyclipedia for the (probably) full list

[sonic lagoon]

In rads?

[unique rune]

unspecific
we don't know anything about the Flood's radiation resistance

[sonic lagoon]

What happens if the flood gets infected with another virus?

[last anchor]

Slipspace is very strange.
Harvest, for example, is only 12 light years from Earth. However, because of how the dimensional "currents" work, and the vageries of FTL travel, it takes over a year at slipspace speed to get there, making it technically an outer colony.

Other worlds have much easier routes; the jump from Earth to Reach for example is basically a straight shot, while the jump from Reach to Instillation 04s position, way out beyond human control, basically in the middle of nowhere, took almost 2 weeks at FTL speed.

[last anchor]

It doesnt.

[last anchor]

Considering that they dont really have any cells besides the FSC that could theoretically suffer a cancerous effect, and their overall resistance to most forms of damage, they'll probably be pretty sturdy to it.

Direct application of radiation in the form of a nuclear strike, however...

But by that point youve already been vaporized

[bronze prawn]

thats actually, very interesting

I always though it was just a hole in the space and another hole in the point you wanted to go

[last anchor]

Thats what it looks like but in actual reality you're moving through an 11 dimensional space that is illogical to the human mind, and requires something like seven trillion calculations a second to keep something the size of the Spirit of Fire moving cleanly through it.

The upside is that since its not "realspace" the speed of light doesnt apply and so you can move as fast as you can manipulate the space

[empty bloom]

I assume behind the breastplate a'la Mirage IIC.

Or in the back under the cloth overlayer a'la GEN2.

GEN2 incorporated techsuit-level fusion reactors that aren't in the hardplate area like GEN1 Mark IV-VI

And what we can see of Rakshasa's techsuit (Ankles, gloves), it is somewhat similar to a 'nude' suit of GEN2

[sonic lagoon]

Why not?

[last anchor]

It has nothing for a virus to work on. Virus's require cells to co-opt and make more of themselves via forced insertion.
The Flood has a single kind of cell; the Flood Super Cell.
It does everything and is refered too specifically as "thinking muscle" in essence.
Basically its multifunctional but bears none of the format of an existing standarized biological cell.
No virus could actually infiltrate it (if anything, the FSC does that instead by aggressively converting anything it comes into contact with into more of itself)

[sonic lagoon]

What happens if it comes in contact with anti-matter?

[scarlet quiver]

Boom.

https://tenor.com/view/big-aj-big-justice-boom-costco-guys-gif-13543695932005238540

[carmine sleet]

Quick question, what colour is Kig-Yar blood?

Is it purple like Elites?

[gusty star]

Yes

[unique rune]

mmm
grape flavor

[scarlet quiver]

Whoa there bud, we talking grape popsicles, or cough syrup???

[unique rune]

yes

[spark pivot]

Frozen grape cough syrup fr

Speaking of, i wonder if popsicles are part of the food stored on ships?

[carmine sleet]

I imagine it would depend on if the ship is commercial/civilian or not. I doubt those would be standard for a military vessel

[stoic hamlet]

The cookbook goes into this.

Generally if you’re on a ship your living conditions and food are pretty terrible.

You don’t really “live” on ships, you get a cryopod and that’s basic it.

[carmine sleet]

Remind me to properly reread my copy of it

[orchid kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-babysitter-halo-odst-odst-halo-legends-odst-bored-gif-27215487

imagine needing more than an apple and a sandwich

[empty bloom]

I like to imagine the UEG does have a few orbital colonies around gas giants and stuff for Helium-3 mining. Or slowboats meant to get it.

Which would, of course, have slightly better food options than the average military vessel.

[wispy pewter]

They should invent those star trek food machine thingies

"computer, a steak"

[scarlet quiver]

For real.

I am fine with the nutritious daily slurry that comes in any flavor you want.

[empty bloom]

This sent me on a random trip of trying to determine if a Star Trek replicator steak would technically be a vegan steak.

[wispy pewter]

I'm gonna assume so since it doesn't kill cows. But it's still technically cow

Hmmmm

[carmine sleet]

As someone not well versed in Star Trek, I'm gonna guess a replicator 3D prints whatever you tell it?

[wispy pewter]

it takes random particles and creates stuff out of thin air, even food

[stoic hamlet]

I think they go over this in DS9, a bit?

And the consensus is “kind of”?

Actually I think the answer is a flat “yes”.

I did like that DS9 kind of commented on that.

[empty bloom]

"Kind of" sounds right. Everything is recycled, even biowaste, so you're technically eating proteins made by other humans. In a strictly technical sense, determined by the way medical clinics work, it could even technically be both vegan and cannibalistic at the same time.

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah.

But I liked that there was at least a little dialogue about it.

Misquoting, but the sentence was something like “you’re eating grey sludge made to look like a tomato.”

[empty bloom]

I just realized you could purposely make a replicator produce prions.

[strong nova]

Star Trek's kinda wore-away at the impressiveness of the replicator over time. Early in TNG, the food it created was portrayed as even better than the real thing, a purified and enhanced duplicate. Then later TNG portrayed it as "well, it's good, it's like regular food, but actually doesn't beat real cooking," and then DS9 further degrades it by saying "actually, it's kinda cheating and this actually isn't real food, just some protein and carbs that have been fancied up."

I'm not personally a fan of that. Most of the time it just feels like an excuse to add some dull-grey nuance to a setting that's supposed to be an inspiring look at a future to reach for; especially given Star Trek's one of the few optimistic sci-fi of that regard. Leave the 'grey sludge' trope to literally every other sci-fi because that's all other sci-fi does.

[lone plover]

what breaks shield faster? with ballistic weapons ...is mass more important or should we try to accelerate a piece of metal as fast as we can?

[patent patio]

Doesn't it depend on the shield?

[unique rune]

I mean
consider how the formula for kinetic energy works

it’s 1/2(m*v^2)

now think about which input makes it increase by a greater magnitude when you increase its value

[humble girder]

🍔

[delicate lance]

I've got a random question, anyone know what rank of Elite is the one that kills Noble 6 in the cutscene at the end of lone wolf? Looks like a field marshal but if anyone could confirm I'd appreciate it cause I got curious lol

[carmine sleet]

Zealot

With assistance from some Ultras

[patent patio]

Zealots in Reach looked so cool 😎

[carmine sleet]

They look good in yellow too

I just wish they didn't give the Elites in Reach black eyes. It never looked right to me

[patent patio]

That's the only thing that gets me lol. The black eyes, but other than that, they really look good

[carmine sleet]

They look much better when they have actual eyes too

[humble girder]

🍔

[gusty star]

It was a zealot, however a Field Marshal was present (the offscreen elite that activates his blade)

[lone plover]

learning the lore of this game make me sad that it doesnt matter how cool the ground stuff are if one can leg it faster than you can there is nothing can do about...

not to mention covenant have shield that can take nuke to the face so....yea....

[spark pivot]

thats only for ships, normal shields for personel are nowhere near that strong

and UNSC usually won ground engagements iirc, they just were horribly outmatched in space

[stoic hamlet]

Dirt paints ground engagements are pretty terrible, whether they won or lost.

As does First Strike.

[spark pivot]

yeah, they were getting their butts handed to them in first strike, although, i may be wrong, but i dont think those marines really knew what they were getting into just yet, bc that was the first engagement with the covenant outside of harvest, so they would've been on the short end of the draw anyways at that point

[stoic hamlet]

In first strike? No, I’m referring to the marines guarding the generators.

[spark pivot]

fall of reach?

oh wait no im mixing up books

mb

[stoic hamlet]

They got absolutely destroyed, and the navy wasn’t involved at all.

Technically it’s detailed in First Strike, but yeah, it’s The Fall of Reach, sort of.

You also have the battle of Actium for ground engagements that were pyrrhic at best.

The battle of Mesra was a loss even with Spartan involvement.

[lone plover]

yea but still dont stop covenant just glass everything for like years on end

[humble girder]

🥯

[muted raft]

Why do people dislike contact harvest?

It's one of my favorites

[empty bloom]

There are several types of energy sword blade beyond blue and red.

Arbiter's personal energy sword as of 2559 is an amber hue. Other notable variants include teal and orange, yellow, purple, white, and others. Typically these alternative colors are a badge of office.

Purple somehow incorporates blamite/kemuksuru, which... Doesn't make sense to me, but whatever.

That's not really how... That sort of thing works.

[unborn patrol]

many colours and patterns

well listed in halopedia

[carmine sleet]

I like the yellow ones the most

[unborn patrol]

arbiters golden one is pretty tight but I really like the new red one they introduced in infinite as well

the characters look entirely actually

theyve always gotten right the look of special elites

[empty bloom]

Weirdly enough, I actually dislike how they took away Arbiter's left arm armor in 5.

Like, guy's on a fasttrack to Jega-dom.

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Bloodblades have been round since before Halo 4, we just hadn't seen them in a game until Infinite (Technically MCC Halo 3 but it was just a skin for the normal Energy Sword)

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He's gotta show off his sick war paint on his arm somehow

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I dont mean the blade thats just a different colour

but the one off the boss

I forget the name

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Bloodblade. It's a Bloodblade

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oh

where have we seen that?

gonna need some evidence

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https://www.halopedia.org/Bloodblade

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Used by the Blade Master

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MCCs colors are also canon

The pink one is infused with blamite

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doesnt mention anything about Halo 4

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I said before Halo 4

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ok doesnt say anything about them existing before MCC

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Look at the list of appearances, there you will see Halo Evolutions, it was featured there in a short story called Headhunters. That came out in 2009

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oh yeah not just a recolour that one

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What machine guns are effective against tanks?

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explosive or armor piercing ones

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Modern day? Not really any.

You’re looking at autocannons, and even then not really.

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Back in WW1 maybe. WW2 you'd be lucky unless you use something sufficiently high caliber. Modern day practically useless.

The crew will know, but the most you can really hope for is destroying optics and other stuff.

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none, youll have better luck with a bottle of vodka and a rag on fire hanging from it

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Bradleys in Ukraine have shown off some very effective use against various T-series MBTs with the main gun, though typically this is because autocannons are felt even by tank crews, who generally dislike getting plinked by a 25mm all day-especially something with the extremely cramped shell of a T-series.

You'll throw a track, break some lighter plating, foul reactive supplemental armors, smash optics, and generally ring the bell of the crew, but you'll likely go through a belt or two if you want to actually kill the crew, who'll likely bail well before you finish that task by killing them with spalling.

Doubly harder if the tank you're shooting has a spall liner.

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Pretty sure if you make a big enough machine gun, wrap some airplane wings around it, and arm it with depleted uranium shells, you can easily cook a few tanks with BRRrRRRRTTTTTTT

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The A-10's main gun is overhyped. It made sense back in its day, but in actual practice the GAU is actually the least essential weapon of the airframe.

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But... brrrrrrtttttt?

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Most of the tank kills achieved by the A-10 in the Gulf War were kills made with missiles.

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tis still a machine gun that could cook a tank (darn you missile ruining rule of cool)

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It could shred IFVs, APCs, and other lighter AFVs, but anything sturdier than a T-72 is likely going to only be mobility killed with an injured crew.

A-10 was mostly made in response to the US Army making heavier approaches to making helicopters and other VTOLs into close air attack platforms.

As an aside, the Scorpion is a terrible tank design.

There's less bad versions (The M820, while still having many design flaws, also has the most aggressive approach to looking like a modern tank design a'la the LeClerc or Merkava; The M808 is closer to something along the lines of an old school M1 Abrams or Leopard 2)

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Rule of cool baybeeeee

Warthogs are a horrible design. Hornets are a terrible design. Falcons are a horrible design. Mongeese are great.
Halo vehicles are not made to be good at war, they are made to be fun and cool. and they rock.

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I mean, they irritate me by not looking more practical, which ruins the 'cool' to me lmao

There's a reason my favorite tank was the one in 5

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The 'classic' M808's turret being so skinny always weirds me out
HW2's M808S fixes that a little bit for me

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Why falcons?

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Yeah Scorpion not having a Railgun makes me angry

Wdym you're using a 90mm?

You're fighting aliens with advanced shielding technology!

Falcon looks cool though, reminds me of those Helis from Avatar

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They have some poor designs relating to the skids and such