lore-and-universe

[versed helm]

yeah it's mega

[cinder moat]

Went to play 2...hadn't updated my MCC in so long that there's 20 gbs of updates 😂

[versed helm]

oh no lol

I was going to start CE today but I am too tired, no way I will survive legendary this dead to the world

[cinder moat]

OOF. Yeah, go sleep, then legendary.

[versed helm]

incidentally imo Halo 2 is by FAR the hardest game solo on Legendary

[cinder moat]

Is it? I haven't tried it on legendary yet 👀

[versed helm]

some encounters seem almost broken lol

even in the first level xD

[cinder moat]

YIKES lol. I shall make sure I'm stocked up on coffee for that run.

[versed helm]

don't have a precision weapon? May as well restart the level for some encounters

my mantra in my head for Reach was "give me a DMR and I will conquer the world"

but it's the same for the battle rifle in 2 and 3 basically 😛

[carmine sleet]

There's a few others from Alpha and Beta Company that are still alive, then there's Gamma Company which is (With a couple exceptions) still alive but we don't know what most of them are doing these days outside of the Ferrets

[versed helm]

I will look into that thank you

I have made many deep lore dives over the years, but I forget sometimes how deep it goes

there's always stuff I am learning about the universe

[carmine sleet]

Rosenda is where I recommend you start looking, we learnt more about her the other year with the Noble Contention event in Infinite

[versed helm]

oh wow she was on Noble team!

[thorny gorge]

Rear Admiral Osrun said something about what the gammas are gonna do

Forgot it

But definitely remembered Osrun said smth bout it

[stoic hamlet]

As of right now we don’t know what they’re doing, but they’re probably headhunters retained by ONI.

We know they’re not part of Spartan Branch.

[stoic hamlet]

Note that that’s not terribly special. Spartans have no real set teams or rosters, they go where they’re needed, moving from team to team depending on the mission.

For example, Fred and John both have commanded Red Team, Linda commanded Green Team, Kurt’s commanded Blue, etc.

[empty bloom]

I always found it kind of funny that Noble Team got so much credit for fighting on Reach, when both the ops they were most influential in were both under the radar and secret.

Like, damn, I guess Gauntlet and Echo are chopped liver.

[patent patio]

Well to be fair, they were in a video game

And like a majority of the Halo community has never even read the books which is totally fine

[stoic hamlet]

Trench’s point is that even in-universe Noble get an absurd amount of unnecessary shoutouts.

Like, they have a statue of them in-universe, but there’s nothing for the other III teams on Reach, or the Spartan II’s.

[rustic snow]

why so much lore

[stoic hamlet]

Likely nothing for the other III’s either, which was kind of the point of Ghosts of Onyx, but then Noble and co kind of destroyed that aspect… oh well.

[versed helm]

I think it's more so we get to know them, fight as/alongside them. Of course people will focus on and gravitate towards them

we see them all die

[empty bloom]

In universe

Not in the game

[versed helm]

ahh

[empty bloom]

I figured they obfuscated what IIIs actually were like how they obfuscated what the IIs were.

Which in turn is why IVs being adults never really hit anyone as a surprise, because it was assumed that was always the case.

[versed helm]

Yeah that is weird, poor writing in the fluff

I'd expect a monument for them all in general

As said, nobody really knows what they did/are doing any time so it is weird to single out one group

[wispy pewter]

They have a lot of space for more monuments

[versed helm]

I don't know, unglassing a planet must be a real pain in the rear

[wispy pewter]

a Master Chief statue

[versed helm]

not while he is still alive, it's bad luck and John needs that 😛

[spark pivot]

A monument of spartans that 90% of people outside if ONI didnt know existed?

[versed helm]

better than a monument for one specific team nobody outside of ONI knew existed

[wispy pewter]

well now they know!

[versed helm]

the public know Spartans exist in general, they are fed all sorts of propaganda about them as winning the war etc. So a general monument would do no harm

[wispy pewter]

Yeah a Marine Corps memorial style with the UEG flag

[empty bloom]

That must feel crappy for all the people who made that W possible.

[patent patio]

Yeah but like how much do they know?

Do they know that children were kidnapped to make the spartan 2s?

[last anchor]

"Read, nerd, read!" I scream, holding my well worn signed copy of Fall of Reach to the streamer's face.
His flesh melts and cracks, boiling away to reveal the inhuman form of a disguised man-child beneath at the sheer presence of information that cannot be obtained by playing the game and then ignored.

[patent patio]

That was uncalled for

Lol

[last anchor]

Its like vampires and garlic.

The power of Nylund compels you

"You fool, I have read Fall of Reach, you hold no power over me."
Holds out Mortal Dictata
Anguished screaming

[patent patio]

Alr

[unique rune]

no
not officially

rumors about it circulate within parts of the UNSC but the general public has no knowledge of such a thing

[patent patio]

What about their augmentations? Did they know the scope of the risk?

[unique rune]

no

[patent patio]

Alr

[unique rune]

the general public knows very little about anything behind S-II and S-III
because for their purposes they don't really need to know anything about those parts

[versed helm]

Nooo they don't know that, it would be a PR disaster

they are simply told there are Spartan super soldiers who are turning the tide of the war

tbh this is where I contradict myself, and the need for ANY monuments really because they don't tell the public Spartans die, hence the MIA thing. Again for PR, they are described as invincible

[bronze prawn]

whats exactly the problem with the S-III

like, they were kids and teens who wanted revenge for their loved ones against the evil covenant

from the ashes, the will of humans to improve themselves to figth those alien bastards

[wispy pewter]

"I volunteer as Spartan!" -12 year old Orphan

[unique rune]

the fact that they're children

I really don't understand how Halo fans struggle with comprehending that child soldiers are a bad thing

[versed helm]

Yes it is

Totally not trying to justify it, but being trained since childhood is a major advantage anyway

[empty bloom]

Kids cannot consent to what they went through.

[versed helm]

Yeah I know

[empty bloom]

Not you

The other one

[versed helm]

Damn

😔

[unique rune]

I mean, I guess if you want developmentally stunted slaves, sure

[versed helm]

Idk. A guy having 10 years of soccer would clap a guy have 5 years of experience

[unique rune]

I mean, I guess? You don't need to train as a child to make that happen though

[versed helm]

It helps though

I know what your saying, it didn’t have to happen but it happened

[unique rune]

I'm not a developmental specialist and I'd have to do more reading on that whole field but I would bet most of the gains of doing things as a child are from the social experience, not because they got an extra few years of kicking a ball around or whatever

[versed helm]

It’s a bit of both. Having friends make practice more fun but it’s mainly muscle memory and coordination

Cuz like getting decent touch on a ball is already a good advantage when your playing in toyball, etc

toyball ranges from kindergarten to 8th grade

If you get that good touch at like grade 4, you have 4 more whole seasons to better refine and develop your touch

There’s a reason why joining high school sports expects you to know what your doing

Like if I want to join baseball for freshmen team, but never played the sport, I shouldn’t even join the team in the first place

[wispy pewter]

if someone wants to join the Spartan IV program they need years of experience right?? right?? nah there are literal 20 year old SIVs....

the quality fr went down

[versed helm]

Idk, I’m just talking about elementary, middle, and high school sports

[wispy pewter]

don't expect kids to learn how to fight, if they want adults it should have atleast years of experience

in combat

[unique rune]

Spartan-IV candidates are either proven veterans or relatively new recruits that show promise
They have to go through all the same rigorous qualifications and training regimen so claiming that the quality went down is flat out false

[versed helm]

I think they expected that the kids they took couldn’t fight, that’s probably why they trained them?

[wispy pewter]

Nah they just wanted child soldiers like Halsey did for the successful SIIs

idk what Halsey's reasoning for kidnapping kids, but she did mention it in Spartan Ops

[versed helm]

Probably to keep the whole program classified

Idk i just made this up

[unique rune]

jesus you really don't pay attention to Halo media do you

[versed helm]

Is bro getting flack for not reading into Halo Lore?

[unique rune]

It's stated outright in The Fall of Reach, they picked children because they're easier to indoctrinate and that the augmentations would provide the best results

[unique rune]

It is a pattern of behavior

[versed helm]

Omg im such a loser for not reading a video game book

Wait this is lore channel, my bad

[unique rune]

S-III went with children for pretty much the same reason as S-II

[versed helm]

What are they accepting?

Sorry if this didn’t made sense, I just looked indoctrinate up and google said it means to teach an individual to accept a belief uncritically

[unique rune]

UNSC good
don't question the UNSC ever
shoot the things the UNSC tells you to

mostly for the purposes of fighting the Insurrection

when they were shooting humans and not genocidal aliens

[versed helm]

Oh yeah. The UNSC aint rly portrayed as good guys in media right?

[unique rune]

Yeah in most non-game stuff they've got a whole lot of questionable stuff going on

Still nominally "the good guys" but with many skeletons in the closet

[versed helm]

Damn. Should make a whole spin off game about that

Fighting humans and UNSC vehicles would be dope

Sad it was never fully fleshed out and only was seen in Quarantine Zone

Maybe the real main bad guys were the UNSC all along

[wispy pewter]

feels bad for Staffan and especially Remo who didn't get to know the fate of his son

[versed helm]

I’m taking this from Halo Legends, not only would they believe UNSC good guys, if they didn’t, they remembered they had no life to go back to

They got replaced by a clone

Wait a minute, why not clone people with the best genetics and make all those clones spartan 2s

[wispy pewter]

Yeah and the Kilo 5 books went into detail about this dude that for some reason just knew his daughter was kidnapped and replaced by some government conspiracy

he was right

[versed helm]

Were 500 years into the future, we can create instant travel ships but cloning someone is just out of the question

[unique rune]

Regular cloning takes too long, full body flash clones are flawed and deteriorate rapidly. If they augmented cloned children the issue would be that they'd basically break down too quickly.

[versed helm]

So regular cloning would yield better results?

Wait how long are we talking about

[unique rune]

Probably? I don't think Halo has ever done anything with entire cloned humans. Or really anything with normal clones at all for that matter.
Presumably they'd probably develop at a regular rate like any natural-born human, which would take too long.

[versed helm]

So profit of a fundraiser, make 500 cloning machines and there you go

You just gotta wait a whole year

[versed helm]

What did he do with the clone

Did she just die

[unique rune]

Well, compared to kidnapping and flash clone replacement, normal development rate would take an extra six years, along with all the development and education that would have to come with that

[versed helm]

Ah damn

[unique rune]

Given that they were strapped for time and (relatively) on budget, that extra six years probably would've sunk the project if they'd tried it that way

[versed helm]

Welp, Jean just got muted

I wonder if cloning will ever get utilized again in Halo

[unique rune]

It'll pretty much always be around for generating replacement organs for transplant but I doubt it'll ever have much role beyond that
Lots of established in-universe regulations regarding the whole deal

[empty bloom]

Flash cloned, so likely dead.

[empty bloom]

General rule of thumb is that there's a reason most actual militaries, as opposed to militias, utilize trained adult soldiers and never use child soldiers. If child soldiers were legitimately good for combat, they would be utilized, but as WW2 showed, it's an act of desperation and control, not an act that produces effective troops.

People like to quote Sparta as being undefeated; But in reality, their society was mostly effective due to discipline and slavery castes; Not due to their soldiers being strictly superior due to being raised from a young age to be soldiers.

Too much dependence on both of those things to be an effective state was actually what led to its eventual downfall as a political entity.

[stoic hamlet]

It’s diminishing returns, really.

[unique rune]

Yeah, I was thinking about it more and it was just like. Most of the job-specific things needed to make an effective soldier can and are taught to adults, and it’s really more important you go into the whole thing fairly well adjusted and able to work as part of a team.

[empty bloom]

Really, that last part's a society-killer in general, lmao.

Being capable of having faith in your compatriots is vital to a working machine.

[stoic hamlet]

Everyone quotes Thermopylae, but they forget that the Spartans were a minuscule part of a much larger force, and many of the others were just as well armed and armoured.

[empty bloom]

And the Spartans also had slaves carrying and handling most of their crap.

[stoic hamlet]

The Spartans were more symbolic than anything else.

[versed helm]

On the kidnapping kids topic from earlier my two cents = morally bed, yes. Did it work, yes. Would humanity have survived if they hadn't done it? No

[empty bloom]

Arguable.

[versed helm]

and kids not having the consent to choose etc.

[empty bloom]

Removing Spartans from the equation in the first place basically changes the flow of events in general, and Halsey was known to destroy other promising projects in her wake to get her way.

[stoic hamlet]

The Spartan II’s and III’s were invaluable but both programs were reprehensible.

But they paved the way for the much better SIV, so…

^^^

[versed helm]

and they kept humanity alive in that time also, otherwise humanity would have been steamrolled

[empty bloom]

They did a terrible job of it then.

Spartans get a lot of the credit the UNSC Army, Marines, Navy, and Air Force should get.

[versed helm]

I don't see how, they won key actions and executed key missions that lead to humanity surviving

[empty bloom]

So did all four of the others.

[versed helm]

doesn't matter

[empty bloom]

Absolutely matters, incredibly so.

[versed helm]

without the Spartans and specifically what they did it wouldnt have been enough. End of

[empty bloom]

No, there's no end, lmao

[versed helm]

there certainly is

[empty bloom]

You're arguing with someone who knows better on the subject.

[versed helm]

we saw how humanity was saved, through the work of Spartans in key events

[empty bloom]

It's like saying the Bin Laden raid was why Seal Team Six 'won' the War on Terror.

[versed helm]

evidently you dont

[empty bloom]

And we saw how humanity survived to have Spartans even do their job. The fleets of men and women sacrificed just to cover for power-armored glory hounds who ultimately barely managed to do their jobs themselves.

It's a galling lack of scope.

[versed helm]

the work of the larger military was of course a necessary component, but would not have sufficed alone

both were required

[empty bloom]

Nope, Spartans were all that was needed.

You said so yourself.

[versed helm]

I never said that actually

quote where I did

I said without them humanity would have fallen

[empty bloom]

They didn't need ships to go anywhere, they didn't need armies to cover for them, they clearly didn't need marines and army troops sacrificing themselves to save civilians.

[versed helm]

not once did I say only Spartans were required

[empty bloom]

Chief coulda won the war single handedly starting at Harvest if he was there first day!

[versed helm]

you're arguing with yourself lolo, with an opinion you made up and put in someone elses head

[empty bloom]

Nope, you're wrong, end of

[versed helm]

good job

[empty bloom]

Lmao

[versed helm]

quote where i said only Spartans were needed

I will wait

[empty bloom]

I was doing it purely to be annoying, lmao

Because you were being annoying

But hey, you dragged me down to the idiot's level and beat me with experience, kudos.

[versed helm]

you did all that yourself

your choice

[empty bloom]

Anyways, talking about how the Spartans 'won the war' is an ignorance of how wars are won in the first place.

Spartans were barely a blip on the radar in the grand scheme of things; One cog of a larger machine. That's why they are not the sole inheritors of the title, nor should they be.

[versed helm]

They made winning the war possible through key actions as I said, they didn't just "win the war" I simply said they were a vital component to the war being won. They were absolutely necessary

[empty bloom]

And your definition belies the fact that they weren't the only ones, and they weren't the most critical to actual survival of much of the human race in terms of actually being alive.

As for if they are necessary-I strongly disagree.

Without Halsey kicking down other more promising programs constantly in the field of power armor, for example, suits like the Prototype Suit likely would've rose to prominence much faster, and are arguably better than a Spartan.

[versed helm]

so without them who brings Cortana out of Reach? Or who stops the Covenant activating the Halo rings without the people who did?

[empty bloom]

If Halsey's not in the picture, things change.

[versed helm]

things would be even worse

[empty bloom]

The Covenant only found the ring because of the Autumn, after all.

Which was because of Cortana.

[versed helm]

besides we only have the actual story to go by, and it shows that the Spartans were necessary. This is silly hypothetical talk

fan fiction

[empty bloom]

Wow, it's almost as though the conversation discussing how much the actual Spartans matter would go into why or how things would change without them being there.

[stoic hamlet]

Well, they would have still found Delta Halo.

Though, interestingly p, Humanity would have found a ring first regardless, thanks to the battle of Tribute.

[empty bloom]

Ah, right, i03.

Well, we can skew that a bit more.

So no IAC at Delta means no slipspace jump onto High Charity for the flood.

Because IAC likely would've died at Earth.

Buuut with the whole Unyielding Heirophant getting destroyed thing, it would likely have changed Regret's tactics at Earth... Or made the UH better.

But that also is contingent on the UNSC finding other ways to deal with other problems and, really, they'd have still ultimately lost most of the same ground because Spartans are offensive creatures, so that's also fun.

I don't actually think a Spartan team ever actually 'saved' a specific planet, only side objectives while a planet was already falling to a superior force, which is part of the issue with saying they're humanity's saviors.

So like... One dude, who was genetically predestined to save the galaxy anyways.

Considering the IVs, and the whole genesong crap, that would likely have ordained Chief, or another would-be II, to fulfil a role that still enacts the same overall plan.

(That's also why I hate the genetic legacy thing)

[empty bloom]

Because IVs were still ultimately always going to be a thing.

[versed helm]

All conjecture, the fact is that's fan fiction. I'd rather discuss actual lore

[empty bloom]

Womp womp.

Actually

I got a good fanfic for you, you might like it.

[strange pumice]

Wort wort

[empty bloom]

So I was thinking of writing up this Spartan II team that consists of four characters, all of which are people that Master Chief knew from training. One of them gets into a fight with Red Team and stuff, it's pretty cool, one even loses an eye.

And like, they all fail to get past the augmentation stage, but are eventually rehabilitated into full Spartan IIs.

So they all get dressed up in this cool black armor with these roman numerals on their helmets, to show who's who in the squad, y'know, cause Spartans.

I don't know, I haven't worked out much of a story for them yet, but I was thinking about giving them an AI that's kinda like cortana, and they team up with some elites and stuff.

[woven plaza]

sounds morally gray call em grey team

[strange pumice]

Any ideas to their names, or only name and number like Fred-104?

[empty bloom]

I was thinking like, Margaret-053 or something.

For the leader.

Dunno why, just, y'know, feels right.

[strange pumice]

Margaret, this name sounds familiar for me

[empty bloom]

Huh, weird. Shouldn't be!

[empty bloom]

Nah, I was thinking "Black Team". Goes better with their armor and theme.

Theme being like, they do ONI's dirty work.

Not like, Headhunters or killing rebels and stuff though, more just fighting Covenant.

[strange pumice]

it's a pity that not everyone will understand what the matter is

[empty bloom]

Oh, I'd hate to confuse someone.

[strange pumice]

No, actually good name for team leader

[empty bloom]

'Margaret'.

No offense to anyone here named that, but who the hell in the UEG is just going around naming their kid 'Margaret'.

[unique rune]

Y’know I’m almost surprised they had the restraint to not also give Black Team red visors.

[swift igloo]

Y’all think that once the UNSC gets back on its feet that they are gonna let John keep the weapon? Considering what happened to Cortana lol

[spark pivot]

Jun is still alive, and probably would've been the one to make it, also im sure atleast a few others knew about noble team outside of ONI, that being soldiers they interacted with

[meager pier]

They’re some kind of black ops team

[empty bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-squad-sucide-will-smith-gif-22583748

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-wear-a-disguise-king-shark-the-suicide-squad-ill-disguise-myself-ill-cover-up-gif-26315172

[rustic snow]

i never delve deep into the meanings of everything in halo. is there a reason for johnson living after the legendary cutscene in halo ce?

is it even canon?

[carmine sleet]

The legendary cutscene isn't canon

Johnson managed to get off Alpha Halo via a Pelican with a few other survivors

[rustic snow]

good to know, lol. it’s been on my mind but i never asked about it

[meager pier]

Are you saying Johnson didn’t hug an Elite?!

[sullen smelt]

No he did. Johnson has teleportation powers. Didn't you know that Johnson is Omnipotent?

(Obviously a joke lol)
Johnson was originally just a Marine with a slightly larger character role. until the books of what occurred after/during Alpha Halo were released

But the omnipotence is much more funny to imagine.

[meager pier]

He's above the Universe, something us corporeal beings can't fathom

[sullen smelt]

He is behind comprehension. His mere existence is a blessing to us mere mortals.

[meager pier]

Especially to the ladies

[sullen smelt]

Well of course. He knows what the ladies like.

[patent patio]

If we're talking about that, anybody remember how Chips Dubbo was at Delta Halo and the Metropolis city in halo 2 at the same time

[thorny gorge]

Yeah one example is Buck due to him getting saved by Noble 6 during New Alexandria

[versed helm]

And cop a feel of its bum xD

[stiff gate]

Does anyone go through the Halo books or audiobook versions of them? I’ve been listening to all the Halo books lately, and right now I’m in Halo: Legacy of Onyx.

[gusty star]

Go through? What do you mean go through? Like they’ve read it?

[carmine sleet]

That is what they mean, yes

[gusty star]

Lol that’s a weird question

Like yeah people have read the books

[stiff gate]

Well some people only play the games and don’t bother reading or listening to the books with expanded lore. Which is a shame because the books are really good.

[steel stone]

Sounds weird to bring up but I wish we got a mission in Reach that was based off that part in the fall of reach comic where dozens of Spartans were defending generators from armies of covenant.

[stoic hamlet]

That’s taken from the book First Strike, released in 2003.

It long predates both the game and the comic.

[carmine sleet]

It also wouldn't make sense for Noble to be there since they are S-IIIs who had a different mission

[high elbow]

It would make for a good firefight map though. Or maybe a BTB Invasion style mode

[obsidian thistle]

I totally dont know folks... do I?

(Some book rarities there, the Silentium isn't hardback in that set cause it includes the only physical release of Rebirth... and exclusive to one weirdly limited release.)

And zero idea why my Mortal Dictata is MASSIVE

[stiff gate]

I wish I had the books physically like that. But I’ve only been getting the audiobooks on audible. The audio versions usually have good narrators though, like Scott Brick for example.

[obsidian thistle]

You are in for a treat when you get to Primordium

[strange pumice]

He for sure the Halo book fan

[stiff gate]

Actually I tried to listen in chronological order so I started with the Forerunner books. And they were awesome! I can’t wait to get to the Epitaph book about the Didact as well.

[orchid kettle]

In theory that's what Generator Defense Firefight is based off of

but its kinda rough since its hard for four players to defend three generators in totally separate areas, so most games Ive played just become a matter of pouring all resources into defending only one

[stoic hamlet]

The only books I don’t have are Warfleet and Mythos, everything else I’ve got as physical except the Forerunner Saga, Silent Storm, Last Light, and Kilo-5.

I don’t have the reprints either. Admittedly.

But I’m not counting them as separate.

Since Retribution I’ve gotten all the books early, if I can.

[obsidian thistle]

I think I prefer the term Halopedian! 😉

Flows off the tongue better!

[pliant valley]

Why does Infinite call the bandit rifle an assault rifle?

It’s more of a DMR in my book, but I guess it can shoot in auto technical, but idk how much of an assault rifle that would make it in my book, maybe a Carbine?

Since it does have a shorter barrel, but idk about it being called an Assault Rifle

[carmine sleet]

I think it's just called that for the sake of gameplay, the Bandit is still a DMR, it just doesn't have the ACOG style scope the previous iterations of the DMR comes with in previous games

[pliant valley]

It’s just weird to me, cause it’s an assault rifle I guess, and I bet it would be preferable for the banished because of how little soldiers would actually want to use up the ammunition in the rifle in auto

And I guess it would probably be more comparable to the US Military’s experimental rifle, the XM5

Just feels weird to call something like that an AR when it’s been the DMR for years in my head

[carmine sleet]

Again, likely just a gameplay thing. It's not anything deep

[unique rune]

Yeah, it's literally just a gameplay thing to indicate its intended sandbox role.

[stoic hamlet]

It’s not a carbine either.

It might have a carbine variation, but the M392 and M395 are definitely not carbines.

[unique rune]

I still think they should make silly-looking elongated versions of the Covenant carbine and pulse carbine to justify the carbine name

[last anchor]

T-51 EXTENDED

[last anchor]

The only difference between an AR and a DMR is the barrel length usually.

[carmine sleet]

New short story!! https://vxtwitter.com/halo/status/1838339258144170311?s=46

[patent patio]

Potential new threat!??

[upper coyote]

Halo: Venezian What's the alien in the yellow tunic?

Yonhet?

[last anchor]

Aye.

Both of them are

Also:

-Human grappleshot use, indicating its not just Spartan-sized. The mention of wrist mounted indicates the possibility of larger units as well, backpack or grapplegun-style comes to mind.
-Dare's in Rakshasa, unsurprisingly, as its basically a full upgrade to the usual ODST blacksuit.
-The "Yeller" mentioned is the Halo 3 AIE-485H Heavy Machine Gun, though that specific nickname hasnt been used for it since the original Halo Encyclopedia.
-The drone Dare uses is an attachment for Rakshasa's wrist, and is the canonization of the change of lore for that specific armor piece, as like in the story it was originally mentioned to be a targeting system and rangefinder and its now a drone.
Mirrored further in game by it specifically being a targeting system they duct-taped rotors too to turn into a full scale drone.
-Gretchen continues to dual wield things though she has upgraded from the M7 SMG to the VK78, which makes sense as the VK can throw a lot more lead down range much faster. Also, Spartans can in fact still dual wield to the surprise of no one.

-"Shiny" and "shindig" are direct quotes from Firefly, used, to the surprise of absolutely no one.

-Timeline wise, this story takes place before Hippocractica, indicating that Optican has its hands in the Jannisaries somehow.

[empty bloom]

Janissaries actually aren't really 'new', they were mentioned for the first time a while ago.

[patent patio]

My bad

[empty bloom]

NP, it's not a big deal. Was kind of a small thing.

[last anchor]

New threat timeline wise

By the current events of Infinite it will have been...8 months since this story took place

[patent patio]

I kinda thought it was gonna be the Endless or something lol

[empty bloom]

Jannissaries were first mentioned back in January of this year.

[last anchor]

Apparently thats enough time to get the Jannisaries out and active and to have their own armor sets in the field.

[last anchor]

They were mentioned in armor before Boggart, Trench

[empty bloom]

I was going to say "Such as Boggart"

Not "First mentioned with Boggart"

So judgemental, SMH

[last anchor]

Lol

[patent patio]

I thought it was a brute in armor

[last anchor]

No thats a human.

[patent patio]

Oh

[last anchor]

Atcuatlly let me fire my game up I'll be rihhhggggtt back

[empty bloom]

"Super-soldiers can no longer remain the dominion of Spartans—of the UNSC. Our industries span numerous colonies, whole sectors of space, and they must be able to level the playing field on their own terms."

[stoic hamlet]

Well, there might already be some running around, the soldier who escorts Callie to the amphitheater seems like he might be a Janissary. He’s not a guardsman, after all.

[empty bloom]

Ah, seems Adam Andrews went full in on non-Spartan supersoldiers.

[stoic hamlet]

Though I guess he could be a corporate guard.

[last anchor]

The Conqurore helmet mentions "home grown mercenary super soldiers", and that was dropped in April of this year.

[empty bloom]

"The UNSC can’t protect these people and Created intervention seems more akin to blindly tossing a grenade into a crowded room."

Uh

Adam

Buddy

What sort of person do you think is going to want these supersoldiers

[last anchor]

Anyone who can pay, presumably.

Which considering he runs the largest medtech company in human space...

Two words; profit stream

[empty bloom]

"ONI had once done the same and the results had ultimately helped them win the war against the Covenant. “Janissary” seemed an appropriate reminder that history had a habit of repeating itself, and this time it would be ONI on the receiving end."

Lmao

Okay that's funny

Looks like Dare's pulling a Halsey

[last anchor]

Dare has a sense of humor

Also, the recently released Assailer helm mentions that human Jannisaries dont tend to take frontline roles.
But its not capitalized there...

Perhaps the term is more flexible.

[patent patio]

And she's got balls btw

[stoic hamlet]

He seems… alarmingly, hopelessly naive.

[last anchor]

Hmm.
"Rarely take frontline roles but its the fastest way to further augmentations"
Why does that nottttt sound good to me.

Also, Camazots mayyyyyyy in fact be canon. At least, the helmet might.

[stoic hamlet]

This is part of what I just don’t like about them.

They seem so…weirdly tied to the banished with all their descriptions and everything, but then here they seem like an Opticsn endeavour.

Who is it? Or is it both?

If it’s both… why can’t it just be Optican? Why do we gotta tie everything to the Banished?

[empty bloom]

I think it's Optican doing it because they think it's a good plan to allow for open source Spartandom.

[bronze prawn]

im a bit lost, someone give me a sitrep

[empty bloom]

And the Banished are basically going 'oh cool mercenary supersoldiers'

[bronze prawn]

new spartans ?

[empty bloom]

No.

New Spartan equivelants.

[stoic hamlet]

I mean, basically.

But it just feels so disjointed. They look so banished in theme and look, it doesn’t feel like they’re a human endeavour.

[last anchor]

They're a Venezian product, I think is what the deal is.

But Venezia is very much in the hands of the Banished right now because the Banished have the money
Also in the story itself, the Yon'het doing the speaker basically says "you'll work for many masters".
Meaning they're fully mercenary super-soldiers.

Dare's title is probably what lead to the improper use.

[empty bloom]

I'm not exactly a fan of the kit being exclusively tied to Rakshasa and Mark VII.

[bronze prawn]

i always pictured venezian as a tattoine cantine but for the entire planet

[empty bloom]

Because it muddies the hell out of what Rakshasa is, and it muddies the hell out of who the hell uses Mark VII anymore.

[last anchor]

(As if Rakshasa wasnt a mess BEFORE)

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah, but with the Banished so tightly connected, is there any real difference?

They’re not technically Banished but they’re always framed around Banished seasons and stories and with very Banished armour and etc.

[empty bloom]

Like, my guys, 343, buddies, you have an entire civilian-used armor core that is openly purchaseable right there. Did you forget you added it?

[last anchor]

Probably.

Hazmat went out the window the moment Saturn Devours his Son was done

[bronze prawn]

343 is expert in including things to the lore and then forgetting about them

[last anchor]

Well, they cant run wild with the lore as much as Im sure we would love for that to be the case.

[empty bloom]

I mean ultimately I'mma just run Boggart, it's the best looking Jannissary armor IMO.

But maaaan do I wish it was a core instead.

[last anchor]

Add it to the list of things we want. Etc, etc, etc.
Sigh.

Well, new lore. Callbacks. Good stuff. I'll take it.
Just dont dump it in the shadows and forget about it like you did all the other stuff PLEASE

Im STILL waiting for more Armiger spam to flatten resistant worlds guys.

Where's my ground-covering Crawler swarm

[empty bloom]

Annnnnd gone offscreen.

[last anchor]

Yeah pretty much.

Pain

[stoic hamlet]

Don’t worry, we’ll bring it back in over a decade.

[bronze prawn]

as a king said after a magical music box went MIA said: "when and how is impossible to calculate, so we will wait"

[meager pier]

What'd yall think of the short story?

I thought it was fine

[last anchor]

Good details, some nice grimdark.

Its a start. But we'll need more.

[meager pier]

I wonder if they're trying to set up Human mercs in the Banished as enemies in Halo 7

I doubt it, but it could happen

Though teens as mercs is really messed up

[bronze prawn]

its time for the halo saga to include human enemies

the corrupt cop in halo 3 odst was a nice test

[patent patio]

Halo 2 Rebalanced is working on this concept for Sacred Icon. Quarantine Zone too to further fine tune fighting the UNSC vehicles

They have a good template rn to work off so there's something to take inspiration off

[empty bloom]

Anyways here's how the Spartan III program is morally just

[stoic hamlet]

lol

[meager pier]

Not certain, but I think Empty Throne will have Ilsa Zane as an antagonist, setting her up possibly being someone we'll face off with at some point

[bronze prawn]

ah rigth, her ...

[meager pier]

Hope she can be written better in possible future media

Right now, she comes off as some weird fan-fic villain

[versed helm]

😆

[bronze prawn]

its like " oh wow, a new evil spartan"

[meager pier]

Are you telling me turning a bunch of war orphans into drugged up soldiers ISN'T good?

[bronze prawn]

its not like they were kidnapped and turned into super soldiers with drugs that could killed them

the UNSC isnt capable of doing that, rigth ?

[meager pier]

Calling her the "Banished Spartan" was a bit of an eye-roll

[empty bloom]

She is very unserious.

[orchid kettle]

I honestly wonder how serious that "pay off the debt, and you can go home" promise is

[empty bloom]

A laughable lie.

[meager pier]

Never expected to see Yonhet back

[empty bloom]

I did, 343 likes its little pet lorebits.

I wonder if this is the canon look of the trainer "Taskmaster" Janissaries.

[meager pier]

Would you not mind seeing them in the Banished as well?

[fair hazel]

that new story

its really tying a lot of things together

it's really setting up the universe as something really interesting

[fair hazel]

hazmat IS more for Hazmat stuff though

[empty bloom]

Right, but a lot like a mining-grade nuclear warhead, it's a lot easier to get than something that was initially established as being a hyperspecialized suit of MJOLNIR not available to the public.

[wispy pewter]

Oh Jod...the are pushing down the idea of non UNSC Spartans

[empty bloom]

🪨

[wispy pewter]

We get it 343 you hate the UNSC 😵‍💫

[meager pier]

Man, this story makes me wanna see Alpha-9 in a game together again

Minus a certain dude...

[last anchor]

Thats my assumption

[empty bloom]

Taskmaster does look nice on Hazmat tho.

[wispy pewter]

The traitor?

I think he's sitting in some brig rn

[meager pier]

A certain rookie

[wispy pewter]

I don't like the storyline Halo is going down now

[empty bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/mindblown-explode-headshot-happytime-murders-happytime-murders-gifs-gif-11848020

Rookie be like

[last anchor]

Helljumpers are lucky to get open casket funerals really

[empty bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/looney-tunes-daffy-duck-welcome-to-my-world-looney-tunes-back-in-action-welcome-to-my-life-gif-22411182

[empty bloom]

Also Hazmat Jannissary taskmaster goes hard

[wispy pewter]

Ugly

[empty bloom]

Bruh it's not a mirror turn your screen on

[wispy pewter]

Reported for being mean

[meager pier]

There's some stuff they're doing that I'm not a fan of, but if they can nail it with Halo 7, we could be back on track🤞

[wispy pewter]

The more waypoint stories they make of the post war situation... The more I dislike Infinites storyline

[empty bloom]

[meager pier]

Though not many of the Waypoint chronicles tie into Infinite's campaign, or loosely
Most of them have just been whatever for me

[empty bloom]

Honestly this is cementing my thoughts that Boggart 100% should've been a core, and part of me thinks it's kind of a retroactive 'kicking themselves' moment with its interaction with eaglestrike a bit.

[last anchor]

Mmmm.
Sticking it on Eaglerstrike was kind of odd

I assume it might have been picthed as a core on its own but making an entirely new core is just out of their wheelhouse right now
but making pre-designed armor work with an existing core might be easier.

[wispy pewter]

Hating the UNSC is okay, but joining an enemy alien faction is where I think a havok nuke needs to be used

[meager pier]

If she's in Halo 7, hope Chief ragdolls her like Hulk and Loki, and then Rookies her

[wispy pewter]

I'm sorry, who?

I was talking about the outer colonies as a whole tbh. But the Banished Spartan should be dead, I agree

[meager pier]

Zane

Her joining the Banished and becoming the "Banished Spartan" lol

[unborn patrol]

We need a turn coat spartan in the main game story imo. It could be introspective for John too and through that the audience. We see the world and the war only through the eyes of the UNSC so were heavily biased. Could be a good wake up slap to see the other way

[wispy pewter]

That is an insurrectionist speaking

[meager pier]

If we see a bad Spartan in a future game, mainly in Banished ranks, hope he or she is written well and a good motivation
Not just "she's crazy and a big jerk"

[unborn patrol]

That too

Like they need to be given real reason to join

[wispy pewter]

Unfortunately she is just that, as explained in the comics

[unborn patrol]

Make them a symbol of what the wrong doings of an imperial force like the UNSC can do to people

[unborn patrol]

Doesnt need to be her

Can be a new one

[wispy pewter]

Don't have to turn this into some kind of Star Wars honestly

[unborn patrol]

Why would you go there lmao

This isnt a unique idea to really any franchise

[wispy pewter]

Because the UNSC is based and has been there since the beginning. Really the insurrectionists are just side plots

The bigger threats should always be alien

[meager pier]

A Banished Spartan is like a Chaos Marine 😄

[empty bloom]

Except ludicrous because the Traitor Astartes had good reasons for going turncoat. Mostly.

[dusk jetty]

A banished Spartan is a traitor and will be dealt with as such

(You know, a Spartan hunter like Locke would be pretty based in this context)

[wispy pewter]

Yeah give him the Vale treatment. An entire book for himself

[last anchor]

Big E was a pretty bad dad tbh

[empty bloom]

I find it weird how people claim Arby's treatment was criminal and meanwhile Locke is just there like chopped liver now.

At least thel was co-op ;v;

[fair hazel]

a lot of people seem to be allergic to the idea of non-spartan augmented humans

but those seeds have been planted A LONG time ago now

[meager pier]

Hours had some serious dad issues😂

[wispy pewter]

it's a boring storyline. Takes away the uniqueness of Spartans as a whole as well

[stoic hamlet]

They’ve been planted, but IMO the way it’s being done right now is a waste.

It’s far more compelling as a human led corporate initiative, not a Venenzian/banished one. We have enough banished power plays as is, we don’t need yet another one.

Making them purely a corporate entity without Venenzian or banished involvement would have been far more compelling.

[wispy pewter]

Good idea

[fair hazel]

Optican

It's one of the many possible avenues for it

[fair hazel]

Yeah over the years the spartans are less monopololized

Bound to happen, and also, the direction of humanity, closer to their past selves

[stoic hamlet]

Yes, but it’s being done through Venenzia, is my point.

It would be far more interesting if it was a conglomeration of the various corporations without Venenzian or Banished involvement.

[wispy pewter]

Heroes of humanity now turned into soemething everyone has.... I hate it

[fair hazel]

I like the venezian involvement

Heroes should be determined by what they do

[wispy pewter]

why havent they invaded Venezia yet

[empty bloom]

"Uniqueness" lmao

Bigger fires to put out.

[fair hazel]

Did you listen to the story?

[stoic hamlet]

Ehh, not quite.

It’ll take a long time for non-UNSC Spartans to be comparable man-to-man.

[fair hazel]

They address that in the story and in the books

[empty bloom]

You are so gonna put your boot in your mouth for this one, calling it now.

[wispy pewter]

I don't remember all the details

[empty bloom]

I'd bet actual money they'll somehow figure out how to make better Spartans than IVs or something ridiculous lmao

Death quota death quota

[stoic hamlet]

Probably, lol.

But I mean( logically, it takes time to build up that pipeline and they’re almost starting from square one.

They see the finished product, but that doesn’t mean they can 1:1 replicate it….

…realistically, anyways.

[stoic hamlet]

Tbf, I do actually think Jean has a point with that comment. Venenzia (and Gao) have survived longer than other colonies that have seen violent put downs, like Mamore. Post War, between 2553-2558, the UNSC could have easily pulled a FIREBRAND on both.

[empty bloom]

I always figured the UEG was more interested in retaining and retraining its military within its own borders before it wanted to burn Venezia's governance.

And was content playing mischief maker from afar in the chaos outside its territory.

[stoic hamlet]

I mean, it wouldn’t necessarily be in their best interest, but we’re never really given a reason why they didn’t at least come down on Venenzia or Gao hard. They absolutely could have with basically no repercussions.

At least, none more than they were already experiencing.

[wispy pewter]

considering now that they are besties with the likes of Banished.... or the keepers of one freedom, same thing tbh

[empty bloom]

I mean, considering Gao and Venezia were both anti-UNSC to the bones?

You're asking for an occupation when you're struggling to occupy your own land.

[fair hazel]

Post War galaxy isn't the same as during the war

[wispy pewter]

I don;t even think the UNSC has the capabilities. It seems right now they are worse off than during the covenant war

[stoic hamlet]

It’s not, but my point stands. There’s never been any real indication why the UNSC didn’t censure both of them. No reason has ever been given.

[empty bloom]

"We could take Gao and Venezia down, they're vulnerable"
'They aren't the only ones'

[stoic hamlet]

Trey.

But I’m not talking full invasions here, lol

[empty bloom]

(#delriodidnothingwrong)

[fair hazel]

There's a whole web of in universe politics and repercussions

that makes the universe more interesting too

[empty bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-4-halo-halo-arrest-him-halo-del-rio-lieutenant-arrest-that-man-gif-17775868661155889686

[stoic hamlet]

That we’ve seen?

[wispy pewter]

Don't even need an invasion, only one side has tactical nukes and orbital bombardment capabilities

[fair hazel]

Welcome to full blown civil war

[stoic hamlet]

I mean, no.

Both sides definitely have nukes, lol

[wispy pewter]

o

[empty bloom]

And a Navy.

Venezia's is just outtonned by a few OoM.

[stoic hamlet]

They can’t withstand a UNSC force of comparable size, but yeah both sides definitely have a naval presence.

[meager pier]

Palmer was like “I don’t wanna end up like Loki”

[empty bloom]

Even if you go to ground you're invading a rat's nest of mixed tech and a crapload of humans and aliens happy to defend their little messed up arms bazaar.

[empty bloom]

No? lmao

Chief ain't that strong

[stoic hamlet]

When the UNSC controls all incoming and outbound traffic? All those wartime policies to search ships entering a system at (nominally) predetermined points haven’t gone away.

Basically, my point being, we should have even a Cold War situation develop at least, but the UNSC seem to have ignore both threats for no discernible reason.

Dare’s explanation here doesn’t really track either, I mean, in the moment it certainly does, but I can’t imagine ONI would just let that situation go.

[empty bloom]

I'll admit that Halo's attempts at portraying a clandestine superspy world are...

*Bad.

Like

Bad bad.

[wispy pewter]

my guess is that it will lead to larger insurrections. But that didn't stop the UNSC before has it?

[empty bloom]

I'd honestly call it amateurish.

[fair hazel]

The UNSC Does NOT control everything as it wishes it could post war

[stoic hamlet]

To be clear, my issue isn’t that it’s being left alone

It’s that there’s no logical reason given for why.

We have no real plausible justification for why this stuff hasn’t seen some sort of action taken against it.

[fair hazel]

Especially after the end of the war saw a certain type of military de-escalation and SOME return to more UEG control

After the end of the human-covenant war it's harder to justify draconian control

[stoic hamlet]

I mean…. Is it?

[fair hazel]

the UNSC haven't been the GOOD good guys sure but they're not star wars empire type

[wispy pewter]

Only one actual clandestine spy thing ONI almost pulled off was crop genocide

[fair hazel]

Yes. Many people who joined up the UNSC did so because of the war, not that they loved the UNSC

[stoic hamlet]

With planets like Dretheus V, Cheyell, Oban, Harrow, Sedra and others all being openly attacked, two of them destroyed and one besieged? Covenant remnants still in the Epsilon Endrani system until 2555, basically pointing their guns at Tribute in a stand off?

It’s not like the war’s damages and its issues are suddenly gone.

[fair hazel]

it was just for the sake of humanity and their people

They aren't, but you're not going to sell that to the broader human population

that does and would absolutely have repercussions to remain as draconian

[fair hazel]

There's been other stories

[wispy pewter]

Yeah don't doubt that

[stoic hamlet]

The UNSC are in the worst state they’ve been in their entire history, the war is over in the loosest sense of the term. Glassings are still happening, worlds are still being attacked by Covenant ships, it’s still very much a shooting war in every sense of the word.

I’d liken it to the end of WW1. You had armies agree to a ceasefire in November 1918… but neither side actually stood down until the middle-late 1919. Until the treaty of Versailles was actually signed, troops were still in the field, ready to go over the top on both sides.

That’s basically what the universe is like post war. The Covenant groups clearly don’t see the war as concluded, and neither does ONI or some members of the UNSC, and with what we’ve seen, why would they have any reason to believe it so?

Yet the universe acts like it is.

Mind you, it’s a requirement of the series, because you can’t really have Master Chief retire, or whatever, there will always be war and the like, but really, large scale, nothing has changed for the UNSC since 2552. They’re in the same spot they’ve been in since 2525, if not worse.

There is no real reason for this sort of “it’s all good now” attitude to exist.

A weary “maybe it’s over” sure.

But no one should really be this optimistic, no one should be this naive, lol

[wispy pewter]

and then there was the whole Cortana thing, idk how that affect the galaxy

the latest waypoint mentions that the created just shoots everyone down during a conflict

[meager pier]

What further advancements do you think ONI could make to the Spartan program?

[wispy pewter]

Halo 4: Introducing this awesome flagship, humanity no longer on the defence or whatever
Next two Halo games: on the run, on the defence

[last anchor]

Funny enough the Chronicle touches on that

[meager pier]

Man, we better see the crew of the Infinity in Halo 7

Maybe even the ship itself

[wispy pewter]

Totally fine, somehow the Infinity returned

[latent junco]

there's a high chance we won't see Infinity again in the next Halo, although more of the crew is possible
Infinity was destroyed in the Battle of Zeta Halo

[versed helm]

having the infinity destroyed that soon was one of the more dumb pieces of writing

if it is indeed confirmed to be destroyed, I thought there was some question about that

didn't he say it "fell in 4 minutes"

as I recall

yeah just checked, he said it became a memory in 4 minutes.

[strange pumice]

Yep you right
I've apologised about misinformation

Since banished have old covenant ships and corvettes, so it's pretty possible that the Infinity was destroyed so quickly

[slim thorn]

Why we don't have news about Infinity AI, Roland?

[last anchor]

Same reason we don't know anything about Lasky, Palmer, or any other returning characters. They just arent the focus right now

Also, surprise to see you here, Valk. Small world.

[carmine sleet]

Banished Dreadnaughts are basically giant gravity hammers, they're designed for close quarters in space, which almost everyone else would never do because of how dangerous being that close to an enemy can be

[carmine sleet]

Chief isn't the Hulk. He's tactical, he wouldn't just smash someone around back and forth to defeat them

[meager pier]

“Puny Spartan” 😄

[slim thorn]

lol. I've been playing Halo for a while.

[carmine sleet]

So here's a question about the newest chronicle, is the Phantom Dutch and Gretchen use to evac Dare the same one that Alpha Nine stole in New Mombasa?

[versed helm]

I just meant writing the Infinity out of the universe so soon wasn't necessary imo. Feels pointless they ever introduced it just to have it get wrecked by the smelly ape aliens

Couldn't even give her a cool death. I just don't like anything 343 do story wise

[wispy pewter]

I agree with you. They shouldn't have destroyed the Infinity

[stoic hamlet]

I doubt it, logically speaking.

But then, Halo kind of threw logic out the window when it comes to ships, so we’ll probably learn that it is.

[carmine sleet]

Fair

I was just mainly surprised they showed up in a Phantom

[empty bloom]

It's kinda wild that like

Halo just has canon child debt slaves now

And that just gets dropped so... Underwhelmingly

Lmao

[wispy pewter]

Wow even more child soldiers! Atleast this time they are 15

26th century and there isn't a train station in the city

[obsidian thistle]

Not just any child soldiers. But mercenary ones.

If you think the Spartan-II and IIIs were bad this is kinda worse in comparison. The UNSC/ONI at the very least has rules (often bent ones but still) and Halsey still got punished.

I aint sure Venezia will have those same rules and many of these children may just die before they even become jannisaries.

But in comparison they may be more dangerous than the SIIs and SIIIs in theory due to that

[wispy pewter]

They doing the ottomans now

[stoic hamlet]

Some are older, some are younger.

[empty bloom]

Some probs sold themselves into it if they're on the older end

Or voluntarily just wanted to be supersoldiers.

Something tells me they overall aren't picky.

[empty bloom]

Eh, wanton brutality, in reality, tends to lead to less disciplined and effective soldiers.

If Halo were actually a realistic and practical world you'd see IVs utterly demolishing these guys.

[wispy pewter]

Venezian super soldiers have Mjolnir? Wth

[empty bloom]

Knockoff MJOLNIR, if any.

But there's been knockoff MJOLNIR since at least 2558.

[wispy pewter]

They need to be stopped

[obsidian thistle]

There is seemingly adult jannisaries

I think either this is prep for years to come

Or there will be a story with these children

[wispy pewter]

I want to see them betray Venezia or something

[empty bloom]

th did Venezuela do?

[wispy pewter]

Oops

[wispy pewter]

Totally secret advanced weapons. I wonder if they are even half as good

[empty bloom]

Well apparently everything before Boggart tended to kill people

[carmine sleet]

I imagine that's full suits. No doubt they'd at least fielded some Jannisaries wearing standard Venesian militia armour

[stoic hamlet]

I also wouldn’t say they’re the Ottomans, they’re more akin to the Genoese or Landsknects, or the Swiss. Or other mercenary units.

Janissaries would actually most be similar to the UNSC Spartans.

Though even there it’s not a 1:1

[empty bloom]

Even Spartans aren't really similar to real Spartans because Halo is very fond of mixed metaphorical names.

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah.

[empty bloom]

Spartans wearing... Armor named after a hammer.

or how Hazmat has an armor named after an African god of iron and war.

(Ogun)

Or was it iron and fire?

One of the two.

[stoic hamlet]

An actual human janissary in halo would be if the Covenant captured human children, converted them to their religion, and used them as Honour guards/shock troops.

[last anchor]

ONI kept it this entire time for infltration missions just like this.

[empty bloom]

I mean tbf I would

They kinda got Dutch and Dare's way of speaking wrong though.

[last anchor]

Alpha-9: Delivers perfectly working intact enemy craft to the Office
The Office: "Its free real estate"

[empty bloom]

Like, Dutch doesn't randomly toss "Mike-Foxtrot" into his dialogue.

[last anchor]

He only has like...4 lines tho

[stoic hamlet]

There was a lot of that dialogue especially between Buck and Dare I disliked. It didn’t sound like them at all.

[empty bloom]

They over-emphasized the coded alphabet swears.

And... Who just randomly drops an unwarranted MF's in where Dutch did?

[stoic hamlet]

I think he does say Mike-Foxtrot as a battle dialogue. But the context here felt off.

[empty bloom]

That's why I'm pointing it out

Like

The combat dialogue version is different from his normal way of talking

Actual personal dialogue is quick, terse, swear-free, and matter-of-fact. On-mission.

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah.

[empty bloom]

I mean granted this is a continued thorn I have with a lot of dialogue in these stories

Real people, the kind of person who'd become a supersoldier just to be better at killing in a way that isn't being a Shadow the Hedgehog style edgelord, don't talk like that lmao

[stoic hamlet]

Overall he’s the one I’d least expect to swear or use that parlance.

But even then, I could see someone belt it out, Hocus does in the intro of The Covenant:

“Mike-Foxtrot, Covie triple A!”

It still sounds. A little odd, but it works there, because it’s an exclamation.

[empty bloom]

You'd figure Spartans would talk somewhere between Halo 4 IVs and Halo 5 IVs.

Matter-of-fact informative.

(Even the IV dialogue in 4 is notably bereft of wasted terms, and Osiris on the whole doesn't really waste askew terms any more than, say, Noble does)

[empty bloom]

Also, I don't think anyone in A9 really did that aside from Dutch's battle lines, come to think of it.

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah. The IV dialogue is actually really technical in-game. It’s really jarring, when compared to Majestic.

[empty bloom]

Look up Spartan IV Halo 4 dialogue on Google to refresh my memory and remember if they say anything nontechnical
Fourth result is a reddit thread about someone whining about Spartan IVs

Wow thank you Halo fanbase and Google very cool

[stoic hamlet]

Honestly I want more of that technical, kind of stilted dialogue.

There’s a… half-life 2 fan animation, where the regular combine Civil Protection struggle to say the terms and codes, they have proper human pauses and etc… then the one augmented soldier just says it flawlessly, and it makes him so much more unsettling.

[empty bloom]

Yep

The one where he gets half his brains blown out by a shotgun and keeps fighting, right?

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah.

[empty bloom]

Patient Zero

[stoic hamlet]

Yup, just so.

That’s how II’s and III’s should act, IMO.

IV’s I give them kind of a pass, but even they should be a bit more… off.

[empty bloom]

I think Rubicon actually struck a pretty good balance with that concept through Stone and Kovan.

Where their sense of duty and protectiveness both overrode their senses of self-preservation and kept them working tireless paces for days at a time.

The dialogue doesn't perfectly reflect that, but it takes an inhuman mindset to shrug off having half your body crippled by an injury and to keep on trucking without a stop to catch your breath.

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah.

It’s an aspect of Spartans that should be highlighted more.

[empty bloom]

I think I should write more lmao

[stoic hamlet]

I did like that in Divine Wind, where, mind you, they’re Gammas, but Veta is kind of freaking out about how injured they are, while Saber don’t even acknowledge it.

[last anchor]

"Im still mobile. I can still fight."

[wispy pewter]

Yeah we need Hovarth to be in Halo 7

[polar delta]

what if cortana purple version from HALO CE and HALO 2 come back, i say just like that. Unless it's explained in the novels or comics. I think it suited him well, the blue I've never been a fan more than that.

[stoic hamlet]

AI can choose their colours, so she chose to change to blue.

[meager pier]

Cortana went back to purple in Infinite

Partially to callback to CE, with Infinite being the spiritual reboot, and also to differentiate her visually from the Weapon

[polar delta]

objectively, it is better purple or blue? I judge on the final design.

[meager pier]

I'd say blue is Cortana's best look

[wispy pewter]

blue is better, purple looks evil

purple is the color of the covenant

[polar delta]

ok that true many people like blue version, but i dont know, purple cortana is a little bit nostalgic for me

[patent patio]

🤷‍♀️

[pliant valley]

Not to mention the core that would have made more sense for an oni agent, Mirage

[versed helm]

would brutes like bananas?

[high elbow]

I heard their weakness is bananas

[amber solstice]

@terse quest has an extremely interesting perspective on the lore structure of Halo. You guys might find this pretty neat!

[terse quest]

Ok lore theory time: in universe, Norse mythology is based on ancient forerunner artifacts the Vikings found

[amber solstice]

I think this fits very well with one of the overall foundations of Halo lore, which is that downstream civilizations' "creations" were in fact the result of Forerunner activity.

[terse quest]

Ragnarok is very similar to the firing of the halo rings, Odin and his brothers killing Ymir lines up very well with the precursor war, Norse runes are very similar to forerunner glyphs, etc

[amber solstice]

Reminds me a little bit of how Assassin's Creed shows that many of humanity's discoveries were due to Isu activity and items.

[terse quest]

Ymirs body was literally used to create the earth in Norse mythology which pretty well lines up with forerunner use of precursor tech as well

[amber solstice]

It would also be a cool--perhaps disruptive--added perspective that Forerunner vs OG Human wars were Ragnarok, meaning that we are living in post-Ragnarok and the whole life/death/rebirth is cyclical.

[terse quest]

Yeah I was thinking it was either that or the firing of the halo rings

Forerunner history on earth would have been written prior to their firing, right? So an ancient people would have seen them as an incoming conflict rather than one that has already passed

Most of the people fated to survive Ragnarok are the children of the gods, and considering the whole concept of reclaimers being the children of the forerunners it also makes a lot of sense

[summer cove]

I’m a little spotty on some of the details but ancient humans were at war with the forerunners because they were eradicating the flood on forerunner worlds, despite forerunners living there. When the forerunners won, they devolved humanity to cavemen

[terse quest]

Certain gods even return from the underworld which could be similar to reseeding

[summer cove]

So early human myths/religion would have likely been influenced by their contact with the forerunners, primarily the Librarian (if I had to guess)

[terse quest]

Yeah, that could also be it. I was thinking it would be more likely to be about the forerunner-flood war though, since I doubt any ancient human accounts would have survived the forerunners on Earth

[summer cove]

There’s no real indication if the same myths/religions exist in the Halo universe though

[terse quest]

Those humans that were contacted by the librarian were also wiped out by the halo array though

[summer cove]

Their stuff would have been left behind for when reseeding occurred

[terse quest]

Well yeah, but that was after the devolving

I guess any records of the librarian would have been there though, you're right

Actually there are quite a few myths/religions that fit with forerunner knowledge in universe which could be interesting to explore

343 write a book about the Vikings stumbling on forerunner technology and basing their religion on them and my life is yours

[summer cove]

The librarian also imprinted geas onto certain humans to carry out parts of her plan

Not saying that included any religious aspect to it

https://www.halopedia.org/Geas

[thorn spindle]

i wanna be a chosen one 😭 but nope

[safe prism]

Something I often wonder about is how the flood on installation 04 were actually 'contained'.

We see the various empty rooms that the flood are kept in, but there isn't any equipment inside of the rooms that would keep the infection forms alive for 100,000 years.

[carmine sleet]

In the terminals we see Spark visit a lab with Flood contained in large tubes. I'd assume that's somewhere deeper in the facility

[ripe patio]

clearly not very well

[orchid kettle]

on Zeta Halo they're evidently held in cylixes that require a Reclaimer to open

but clearly this couldn't have been true on Alpha OR Delta Halo because the Flood get out without human intervention

[ripe patio]

Kinda wild to be leaving tubes full of hundreds of hyper lethal parasites without any sort of self-detonation system if the containment is breached. "Yeah one infection form can topple an empire, but we locked the door so they should be fine"

[dusk jetty]

It’s the monitors job to pay attention tbf

[carmine sleet]

Also it's meant as a research site just as much containment

I imagine that you need to be able to easily access samples so that you could study and try to understand it, regardless of the risk it poses (And so long as you have the right clearance)

Though obviously the security for getting in and out is clearly not the best

But this does beg the question, how did the Covenant get in exactly? I haven't yet read Halo: The Flood properly so maybe the answer is in there and I just don't know

[vivid umbra]

The Forerunner's should've put automated turrets in their complexes. Most technologically-advanced species but they fall short on security. Hell, there aren't even Sentinels present in the Alpha Halo containment facility. It's like they weren't expecting civilizations to discover their rings and accidentally release the Flood some millennia after their wiped themselves out.

[ripe patio]

"We need to keep these super dangerous, galaxy ending organisms for research, so that if some day our Reclaimers eventually face this threat again, they can maybe have a better way to fight them" - "Okay but what if they accidentally unleash our research specimens?" - " .... skill issue"

[dusk jetty]

I imagine the covenant and banished both simply just brute forced their way through. You can see that the banished have some sort of brace or something on doors in multiple levels in infinite

[bronze prawn]

sometimes just sometimes i think that the forerruners keep flood samples alive in the rings to just f*** with humanity in the future

like, "we couldnt handle the problem, have luck handling it, bastards"

[carmine sleet]

Aye, which is some nice visual storytelling. It tells us exactly how the Banished accessed sites without needing to tell the player with the words "They have the technology to brute force their way in"

[dusk jetty]

Heh, “brute” force

[carmine sleet]

It's what they love to do

[bronze prawn]

the forerruners really need to to improve their contaiment facilities

[unborn patrol]

There are humans in the banished arent there? Bit of a loop hole for that

[ripe patio]

Banished teaming up with insurrectionists would have been a neat thing to explore

[fair hazel]

It's something that's been going on, either a little explored or mentioned

[unborn patrol]

Not even that like, arent there literally humans in the ranks of the banished? Like not even insurrectionists workig with them, just them in the banished

[fair hazel]

Yes

[unborn patrol]

Yea

[empty bloom]

They did, tbf. Just not all of them.

Forerunner turret security seems somewhat... Confused. They typically place turrets around facilities that are important for defense, but not inside facilities that would have a threat that requires containment.

Forerunner general tactics seem to primarily involve a sort of swarm-based doctrine in general for dealing with most threats, with heavy units being supported by a horde of lighter units, so maybe they valued the mobility of a deployable swarm over localized static defenses in most scenarios.

[thorn spindle]

sentinel swarms!

[empty bloom]

Yep, and general Promethean tactics (Standard formation being 8-16 crawlers per Knight with 1-2 watchers on overwatch for the Knight as active defense)

I always found it kind of amusing in a meta sense that Forerunner and Covenant tactics echo eachother in some ways; A large force of fodder with various quirks supporting diverse support and homogenous heavy infantry.

It's also amusing that might=leadership in these circles as well, with Knight Battlewagons (Halo 4 version) and Commanders toting heavy weaponry (Extended knight hardlight khopeshes and incineration cannons/Scattershots) that excel at taking out more or less any conceivable threat.

[bronze prawn]

how bad was faber and the didact workrelation

to never be any prometheans knigth in any halo ring

[empty bloom]

Uh, extremely poor. Both sides hated the other.

[wispy pewter]

Nuh uh. Destroy those traitors

Maybe they had a point in rebelling against the UEG, but the moment you team up with genocidal aliens is where I draw the line.

[last anchor]

Ehhh. The Banished aren't the Covenant

They just want power, resources and leverage

They're pirates more than anything
They just happened to get in front of the UNSC recently so they're the focus

[wispy pewter]

What did the UNSC even do to them again? Their description in Rubicon Protocol puts them on par with the covenant when it comes to crimes against humanity

A single ship SoF could kick their butt

The Infinity and her entire fleet got destroyed 💀

[patent patio]

🤨

[unique rune]

Do you just fall asleep whenever anyone says things during the cutscenes in Halo campaigns? Because the games have never been particularly vague about what the Banished supposedly want

In Halo Wars 2 they wanted to take control of the Ark, in Halo Infinite they want to take control of a Halo ring

The UNSC has gotten in their way on both occasions
And in Infinite they're particularly mad because they're still a bit upset about humanity creating Cortana who kinda blew Doisac to pieces

[empty bloom]

Keeping in mind that the Banished... Don't care, because they are effectively a brutal kleptocratic confederation and pirate state.

They don't really worry about 'crimes against humanity' because they don't consider killing people brutally a crime.

[bronze prawn]

still every faction by the events in infinite is in a poor state

under new management and stuff like that

[empty bloom]

Well, Atriox canonically came back right after the events of Infinite

[bronze prawn]

now hes gonna release the endless ☠️ 😨

[empty bloom]

Due to the largely decentralized nature of the Banished, they also thrive just fine under the situation in the current galaxy.

[bronze prawn]

I wonder if he has a bigger plan in mind

he just release the endless and has current conflicts in the ark and in zeta halo

[last anchor]

"Atriox is gone? Hmm, unfortunate. MORE PLUNDER FOR US INSTEAD!"
(Goes and ransacks a random planet with giant crust breaking drills)

[empty bloom]

"Man, sure is cool he taught us all that stuff about breaking the chains of oppression. Where are the slaves? I'm hungry"

[unborn patrol]

I like that they have hypocrisy like that. its realistic

[fair hazel]

forerunner turrets can look so cool

[empty bloom]

Mildly annoyed that Halopedia doesn't include the Halo 4 AA Forerunner turrets.

[carmine sleet]

You mean the big ones on Reclaimer?

[unique rune]

I think they're talking about the ones on the Mantle's Approach trench run

[fair hazel]

At cia to get info

[empty bloom]

Those and the ones you see in Spartan Ops.

Which are kinda the same turrets.

[fair hazel]

https://www.halopedia.org/Z-8250_heavy_artillery

[empty bloom]

Mmmn.

[obsidian thistle]

^

Those are the turrets

All the pages are missing is the alt-missile things they fire

[tired peak]

Looks like the front of a light rifle

Or was it a binary rifle

[empty bloom]

I was noting that they were absent from the turret collection page tbf

Disambiguation

[bronze prawn]

"a CAS attack the ark" using the heavy defense guns ❌ Use swarms of sentinels ✅

[carmine sleet]

The Spirit of Fire and Isabel don't exactly have the best knowledge of how to use Forerunner systems, most people in Halo's modern day don't. It's allot of guesswork and hoping they're not standing inside a giant Forerunner microwave or a Flood containment facility

[obsidian thistle]

Its artillery. Not a traditional turret like the others have in their names.

There isnt even turret in its name (or "A" name for it), which is kinda what we primarily use for those pages or their use.

I'll discuss this however with my team but I'm uncertain its suitable

[high elbow]

This raises a very good question. How effective would a microwave be on Flood matter?

[carmine sleet]

Depends on what percentage of it is water, microwaves work by displacing water molecules to heat up what's in the microwave

[safe prism]

Why didn't the Forerunners just put the flood in microwaves? Were they stupid?

[strange pumice]

Don't forget about that they are saved Flood parasitic form on Installation 04

[ripe patio]

Microwaves are just a certain wavelength of light. Different materials have different responses (reflection vs absorbtion) depending on the wavelength. With intense enough light, anything will burn.

Usually we call those: Lasers.
The specific frequency that your Microwave Oven uses happens to be readily absorbed by water. Flood certainly have water in them.
Infrared lasers heat up pretty much everything. Visible light lasers are very good at going through gasses without being absorbed, but the color of a material indicates what light it absorbs vs what it reflects (black means it absorbs everything, white means that it reflects everything in the visible range)

With enough time and energy, any laser will burn anything

[carmine sleet]

Just a minor correction, microwaves aren't light, they're a form of electromagnetic radiation. Light also falls on the electromagnetic spectrum

[ripe patio]

nah, differen't em waves are still light. You can argue Light implies visible light in common parlance, but it is still all light

photons gonna phot-on

[last anchor]

Its just wavelengths of energy

[tired peak]

What about the Cooling lazerz that the pillar of autom had

[ripe patio]

laser cooling is super neat way to use properties of light to slow down atoms / molecules, but is the opposite of "using a powerful burst of light to add energy to a system and burn the foul beast to ash"

[wispy pewter]

they need to borrow photon torpedo tech from Star Trek

[river remnant]

Really think that 343 should’ve made a Sanghelios campaign for Halo 5 rather than put Master Chief, A female Sangheili protagonist would’ve been great considering how desperate the SOS was for soldiers, even to the point of breaking cultural norms

[carmine sleet]

The decision for the Swords of Sanghelios to allow women to serve in their military didn't come from desperation, it came from Arbiter and Rtas recognising their traditions were holding their society back

[stoic hamlet]

I do kind of find that odd, though.

There’s nothing that really shows Thel or Rtas as being particularly progressive, either in the games or in the books.

I mean, you could argue the fall of the Covenant caused that chsnge, but it seems like a pretty massive thing that would see far more upheaval than what we get from Outcasts, and I can’t imagine it was all that respected of a decision even among Thel’s supporters.

[obsidian thistle]

All it takes is one drop to start a wave! Or at least thats how the saying goes I think

[carmine sleet]

Or one spark to light a flame

[last anchor]

"I'm Arbiter Thel 'Vadam, and I approve this message."

All the other kaidons: "Oh, well if the Arbiter says so..."

I like to think a lot of them really aggressively tried to follow his example and it made for some hilarious miss-steps that eventually ended up with female Sangheili in positions where they could actually help.

Like Makee getting her vessel.

[ocean kite]

Where should I go for learning about the lore related to humanity being sabotaged by the forerunners when the forerunners weren't selected by the precursors? I'm not very knowledgeable on that part of new halo lore so wanted to catch up on it
Is it covered in any of the newer games or just the books?

[unique rune]

Mostly just the books
You’ll find pretty much all of it in the Forerunner novel trilogy (Cryptum, Primordium, Silentium)

[strange pumice]

I don't know who thinks it's before, but I guess 7 Halo rings represent 7 deadly sins
I don't know which will be correct, but some kinda dumb theory from myself

[unique rune]

I don’t think it’s that deep
Bungie just really liked the number 7

[strange pumice]

I just remembered FNAF times when every piece of story was turning point for all games

And now time comes for Halo

[marble lion]

7 is basically Bungie's favorite number. They always include it in almost of their games as references.

[patent patio]

With FNAF, the smallest detail really did mean alot

I think at this point, Scott had just changed up the lore again and again to screw with MatPatt lol

[empty bloom]

If I were to stick a needle anywhere and have Thel's woes caused by anything, his societal progressiveness in the form of highlighting the importance of medicine and allowing women to fight in his army would be the cause of a few of his woes.

[carmine sleet]

Also like, which of the sins would be which ring in the first place? I can't exactly say 04, 05 or 07 represents any. Not to mention 08 and 09 were brand new. Were they representative of new deadly sins?

[unique rune]

bonus sin DLC

[carmine sleet]

The DLC sins!! The worst kind!!!

[strange pumice]

As I said it's dumb theory
I thought no one would react to that

[unique rune]

Gluttony 2, new and improved for the 2552 model year

[untold storm]

She was criminally underused and screwed over…

Could’ve been a nice departure from Master Chief

[austere reef]

Master Chief should have retired after Halo 4

[untold storm]

Like… He needed a break

[carmine sleet]

Here's hoping his story ends in Halo 7

[untold storm]

Halo 5 was the perfect opportunity to go in a different direction with the introduction of Locke with the Guardians and Mantle’s discovery and (hypothetically) Mahkee’s story with the near end on the blooding years.

[obsidian thistle]

I do kinda hope the number scheme is abandoned at this point.

Halo 5 didnt need it

[gusty star]

I would argue Halo 5 did need it because it was the transitionary title between the numbers and numberless titles

Since it had a mix of both

[wispy pewter]

What would Halo be without John 117. He's literally the face of Halo

[safe prism]

Eh, I don't think it would be too much of an issue at this point. Don't get me wrong, I love Chief, but the universe has expanded enough that there's definitely storytelling that can continue on without him if need be.

[wispy pewter]

You're right Jerome 092 is still like 20

[stoic hamlet]

Replacing John with Jerome would show there’s no confidence in the universe.

Halo should move on to being a setting, not a story, where many different sagas can occur.

[thorn spindle]

im confused

[patent patio]

He or she is talking about how Halo needs to start using characters that aren't on a Halo ring rn

But his only argument would probably work in a book or spinoff like ODST

[unique rune]

Franchise have moved on from a single main protag all the time, why should Halo be any different?

Why does Halo need to be The Master Chief game forever?

Other than bowing down to Microsoft's marketing department or whatever

[safe prism]

I mean, at a certain point he's going to *have * to be done.

Master Chief is going to have actually accomplished so much that it'll be difficult to believe. He's already played a huge role in the ending of the Human-Covenant war, destroyed multiple Halo rings and the Ark, been to many different forerunner locations, defeated the flood twice, been genetically improved by the Librarian, killed a living forerunner, and fought against the banished.

Though he is a fictional character, if Microsoft keeps him around forever, his list of accomplishments is going to become kind of unbelievable (even in the context of the game world).

[unique rune]

in Halo 69 it will be revealed that John-117 has been a Precursor this whole time and is thus immortal
but also possesses the ability to manipulate the universe to his will to a limited extent, explaining his "luck"

/s

[wispy pewter]

there is always a universe reboot

[safe prism]

God I hope not

[wispy pewter]

a reboot will allow for a more consistent and connected narrative

[unique rune]

Sounds more like a great opportunity to make more people jump ship from the franchise

[versed helm]

-_-

I mean your right but Halo does not need it

[wispy pewter]

Soon™

[stoic hamlet]

Can confirm, would jump ship.

[carmine sleet]

It would need to be a really good story for me to stick around after a reboot

But yeah no. Please no reboot. Just show us new characters in new situations and how they're dealing with it

[strange pumice]

True, reboot would be an awful choice

I saw so many reboots in video games, but they all was really awful

[wispy pewter]

Master Chief prequel games maybe

[carmine sleet]

That'd be like asking for a Star Wars spinoff based on Anakin Skywalker

Like, a Halo spinoff shouldn't focus on Chief. It should be focused on someone else's story

[unborn patrol]

yeah we know enough

whole universe is built around the guy I think thats enough

ODST style game where we play as Johnson would be incredible

[carmine sleet]

So long as it's not retelling Contact Harvest, I'm down for it

[wispy pewter]

ODST 2

I want Kilo 5 in a game

[meager pier]

I think its because we’ve been with him since the beginning, and many don’t think they can have a worthy or successful successor character

We’ll see what they do

[unique rune]

What does a “worthy” successor to the Master Chief even entail? Like, for the first three games of this IP’s existence he had like zero personality traits outside of “occasionally snarky”

[strange pumice]

Everyone talking about Jerome 092, that he could be Chief's successor
But he is right now on Ark, so he can't even escape

Or a Blue Team

[unique rune]

All they really need to do with a new Halo protagonist is “looks cool” and “shoots good”

[meager pier]

What I dread is they’ll use AI to replicate Steve’s voice, thus Chief is able to stick around forever

[strange pumice]

Will see in future, who could be Chief's successor
Right now Chief main protagonist
So nobody actually knows who would be after Chief

[meager pier]

And who knows how many more games Steve will star as Chief 🤷‍♂️

[patent patio]

So like the should the protagonist be quiet or have an apparent personality

[unique rune]

I mean I’d prefer an actual character instead of a blank sheet of paper

[carmine sleet]

See, I'd lean into the idea that the new protagonist is stepping into the shoes that we know aren't easy to fill. Have them be someone who tries to live up to Chief's legend but clearly can't. Then have someone make it clear to them that they shouldn't try to be the "Next Master Chief" but instead try doing things their way

[strange pumice]

Chief on Infinite campaign talked only during cutscenes or when found Forerunners audio logs on Zeta Halo

[carmine sleet]

He talked outside of those moments too

[patent patio]

Chief has his moments

[unique rune]

Uh, no, he absolutely talks during gameplay

[patent patio]

Yeah but it's usually like "No"

I like Infinite's Chief. It's like a mix of Bungie and 343

[carmine sleet]

I remember him talking with Echo 216 and The Weapon quite a bit during gameplay

[unique rune]

Did we play the same Infinite campaign? He talks quite a bit during gameplay

[patent patio]

Yes

[strange pumice]

As I said, on the Infinite campaign

[unique rune]

Obviously they’re gonna keep gameplay dialogue shorter compared to cutscenes but like. He absolutely has plenty of dialogue that isn’t just yes/no.

[patent patio]

Si

Idk some people love their emotionless cool characters

Goblin Slayer and the Doom Slayer for example

[unique rune]

Halo doesn’t need to be either of those franchises and hasn’t meaningfully ever benefitted from a silent protagonist

[gusty star]

Infinites Chief is near perfect

[patent patio]

Yeah but how would Halo benefit from that. The obvious alternative is just to have other engaging characters

I'm just saying that a silent blank slate character hasn't made any of the past Halos bad

Actions speak louder than words anyway

[carmine sleet]

If I was in charge, I'd either go with Grey Team as our new protagonists, give us someone completely new or make Vale the new face of the series

[unique rune]

Most of the actions Chief does in Bungie’s games are purely reactive and don’t say anything about him as a character

They’re pretty much all just because someone else told him to do it

[patent patio]

^

People are like that ig. I mean you can't deny Chief is a fan favorite among a majority of the fans

[unique rune]

I don’t see how the silent protagonist thing has made them any better as games though

[patent patio]

I just said it didn't make the games worse by any means

[vestal furnace]

i enjoy a halo game of characters interacting with US more than we do to them

[unique rune]

I mean, I’d argue they limit the ability to actually write characters and the whole idea of making John silent has clashed with the fact that he does have an established personality and history

[strange pumice]

Grunts are barely interacting with us(like gamer, not to Chief)

[patent patio]

Tbf, He still has his moments in the Bungie games

[vestal furnace]

yea but his personality and history just doesnt conflict with the player’s thoughts throughout the story

[patent patio]

They aren't much but they're special when it happens

[vestal furnace]

If he makes a baddass one liner or an unintentional joke. Its because they will be memorable in some way

But its not marvel character material

[patent patio]

And because this doesn't happen so often. If he was making these sorta lines every minute, they get old and boring fast

But idk why were whining in the first place. Infinite has the perfect mix

[vestal furnace]

Chief and the Weapon are the 2 doing the heavy lifting

everyone else either feels unfinished or just kinda drawn out too long

the hand of atriox isnt a bad idea but you can tell some were hyped up for nothing

[patent patio]

He's able to have a chat with Echo 216 and give him some hope.

The way he respectfully sets the marine bodies away at the start of the 1st Halo Infinite mission

His one liners ,"No" "Oh I like it"

His moments with the weapon

[vestal furnace]

if the next halo game isnt chief as a protagonist. I may as well be a silent one. experiencing the halo world in my eyes is just more fun

The world is expanding so much, i rather wanna see world building than more characters

There definitely needs to be a story where you arn’t the sole reason the world is saved all the time

But also effective because Chief’s story in infinite feels like an entire intro for him in practice

[carmine sleet]

I could only see a silent protagonist happening if our multiplayer Spartan is the protagonist

[vestal furnace]

i dont see anything wrong with campaign perspectives like Call of Duty

[gusty star]

We lost the multiplayer narrative just as it was getting interesting😔✊

[patent patio]

Way to go

[strange pumice]

It would be cool actually

[polar delta]

This was kind of the case in Halo Reach.

[vestal furnace]

i could go on a rant of how i’d want it to be but it be awkward and weird in a public server to rant abt dead meat

[strange pumice]

Noble six at least have own team that he interacted with

[stoic hamlet]

Ehhh, B-312 has a very well defined backstory and history.

[carmine sleet]

Why would you be talking about dead meat when talking about cancelled story content? It's a game, not a butcher shop

[stoic hamlet]

We knew basically everything about him before the game even released just due to context clues.

[vestal furnace]

Idk what i just read

its 10am man

[stoic hamlet]

actually it’s 1:30pm, smh

[empty bloom]

Just like a Canadian smh

[carmine sleet]

It's 6:32pm

[carmine sleet]

You're the one who started talking about dead meat

[strange pumice]

It's 8:32 pm for me

[meager pier]

There’re some that would think “the story started with Chief, it should end with Chief”

Which is, odd

[steel stone]

I love that about Halo 3 how it ended. Started with him coming out of Cryo and ending with him going back into Cryo

That game had so much great memorable moments

[stoic hamlet]

Just ignore the “story” around it though, of course.

The moments are all it had.

[vast edge]

Quick question: Is Captain Dare from ODST in the Marines, or Navy? Because she seems pretty young for a Navy Captain

[carmine sleet]

She's ONI

[steel stone]

Only parts of the story I didnt like was when they killed off Johnson and Miranda, Truth to and extent

Finding Cortana on High Charity was amazing but the story and level design was a letdown for me

[empty bloom]

[steel stone]

I cant find much to mad at with Halo 3 campaign just all round very fun playing. There was alot of scrapped missions im sad that didnt make it into the game

Forerunner city holy crap, would of sick exploring

Guardian Forest too

[stoic hamlet]

She’s Navy, an ONI field operative.

[empty bloom]

Keep in mind that the HCW is a time period where aged officers are dropping like flies, so a lot of higher promotions are going to swing in fast.

Plus, officers in Dare's vein are more likely to be promoted faster due to how that sort of field works, promotion wise.

Special forces tend to rank up faster, to a notable degree, due to further training and engagement opportunities. A field intel officer who regularly embeds with special forces is going to make rank rapidly.

[steel stone]

Question where is the Gravemind in Halo 3? why is he just a voice now?

Did he grow so large he became High Charity? also said he was rebuilding himself on the Ark somewhere???

[empty bloom]

Inside High Charity. Graveminds are not really tied to a 'physical' location as much as one might expect-the sheer amount of biomass getting transferred would likely mean his consciousness' primary hub went to High Charity.

It's also why you can't truly kill the Gravemind.

[steel stone]

Is there really a source of where the flood comes from? is there an actual source where it could be attacked and be properly killed off?

[empty bloom]

If you somehow managed to completely annihilate every single trace of Precursor tech and the flood in the galaxy, yes.

[patent patio]

Problem is you can't track every single speck of biomass and spore out there 😔

[empty bloom]

"We did it, we wiped it all out!"

Except, y'know. The countless dead Forerunner ships drifting between systems stuffed to the gills in biomass.

[patent patio]

Yep

[steel stone]

I hate to see planet sized flood monster, imagine what it was like during the flood war

[steel stone]

Do you think we will get to see a Precursor in the games? they look really huge

[empty bloom]

Maybe?

IDK

[steel stone]

This has been on my mind, can someone explain what this is?

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/7d4cc70b-f7c4-499a-a91a-f3e86b8b39f0/d656rpc-c45c1d62-5f13-4688-bfd6-9bd3f73c0f98.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_388,q_75,strp/halo___reach___ridgeline_by_halomika_d656rpc-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9Mzg4IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvN2Q0Y2M3MGItZjdjNC00OTlhLWE5MWEtZjNlODZiOGIzOWYwXC9kNjU2cnBjLWM0NWMxZDYyLTVmMTMtNDY4OC1iZmQ2LTliZDNmNzNjMGY5OC5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTAyNCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.DzpoQSRXdF6x_J3xNBb6i7xf5vbAiym0CMS74pEf4H8

This image does not do it justice compared to seeing it in the game. Its some crazy massive forerunner tower city, whats the story of this place?

This was a Reach map thats the crazy part

[carmine sleet]

It's from the Anniversary map pack Reach got to celebrate CEA, it's a map set on a Halo

So it's likely just some Forerunner buildings on the Halo the map is set on, most likely Alpha Halo given that's the Halo we're on in CE

[steel stone]

Noooooooooooooo I hope not that ring!

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/mudae-evangelion-neon-genesis-evangelion-gif-24418826

[steel stone]

Bruh I hate if that was the case because it would all be destroyed XDDDD

Bruh I really wanted to explore that XD

Maybe its 05 from Halo 2?

I dunno about the other rings

[gusty star]

I mean there’s no reason they can’t make it a playable area if they wanted to just because the ring was destroyed

By that logic you wouldn’t be able to play on Ridgeline at all

[carmine sleet]

It could serve as a location for another multiplayer map easily

[meager pier]

We technically already have, the Flood is a form of the Precursors

The Endless are likely connected to the Precursors as well

[steel stone]

Thats right because MP is just a simulation

If that place was explorable what the inside look like???

That place looks very important since it connects to other structures

[steel stone]

I remember that, they turned themselves into dust trying to escape forerunners and it got corrupted

That sounds weird saying

[meager pier]

Epitaph hints that maybe the Flood isn’t a corrupted version of the Precursors, but their other half 😳

[steel stone]

wat ._.

[meager pier]

Conversation between Didact and Primordial/Gravemind: Primordial: “That which we create, we also destroy”
Didact: “Just as you were set to destroy us! That is why we rose against you!”
Primordial: “Forerunners. Humans. Millions of other species from the dawn of time - beyond and before. We create. We delete. It is our nature. It is our right.”
Didact: “You breathe hypocrisy.”
Primordial: “And Forerunners never see the Mantle for what it is. A test, merely. And all ultimately fail. Humanity will be tested next. And, like you, they will feed and grow fat on preeminence and power, on hubris and righteousness, and when they are at their ripest, the Flood will feast once more."

[empty bloom]

Makes sense tbh. There's a reason they got so powerful in the first place.

[steel stone]

Holy crap

"Humanity will be tested next. And, like you, they will feed and grow fat on preeminence and power, on hubris and righteousness, and when they are at their ripest, the Flood will feast once more."

So when humanity will become super advanced the flood returns to kill them???

Sounds weird to say but Halo 5 I think the UNSC were the most advanced