lore-and-universe

[drowsy karma]

Well, up to the point where they almost killed everything, that is....

[orchid kettle]

Well, the Covenant are only really diverse in the sense that they've conquered a bunch of different people and established a racial hierarchy with the founding members on top and everyone else at the bottom

[drowsy karma]

I intentionally left out "equity" for this reason.

[carmine sleet]

You know something that doesn't make sense in Spartan Ops, Thorne was close to UNSC forces when he was teleported into Requiem by the Slipspace artefact they had on Infinity

And like, really close

[strange pumice]

But he teleported without a helmet, so maybe he really didn't know that UNSC forces are so close to him

[carmine sleet]

Then just in general, allot of stuff surrounding Spartan Ops in regards to who has control of where is just odd

[carmine sleet]

He had his Friend or Foe Tag on him when he was teleported there, nearby forces would've at the very least picked up that and gone to check why a Spartan just suddenly appeared

But this also means the Elites that finally subdued him must've found it and left it behind

[strange pumice]

You just find out a plot hole

Make sense now

[carmine sleet]

If you're asking me to make the discrepancy make sense, I'd have to remake Spartan Ops from the ground up to fix the issue

[orchid kettle]

Im also pretty sure in the UNSC, your IFF tag is just an implant you have at the base of your neck

Why 4 sometimes has it as just like, a random exposed circuit board thing, I have no idea.

[carmine sleet]

Aye, it is odd

But like, there's just so many oddities in Spartan Ops

Like how some missions have us basically being on Jul's doorstep (Sniper Alley is the entrance to Librarian's Rest after all) during the first 5 episodes

Obviously, some stuff is done for the sake of gameplay but it's just weird how the UNSC dropped off Crimson in this same location multiple times and never learnt that was where he was

I wouldn't mind a full map of Requiem so we can see how close each location is to one another

[carmine sleet]

And now I'm wondering if the restraints we see used to keep Crimson pinned to a wall are related to the ones we see throughout Infinite used on both marines we see at Banished camps and facility and on Echo 216

This is what they look like, thought it best to take a picture so it's clearer

Also something something, Jul's Covenant forgot to take my weapons away (Gotta love funny little quirks like this in games)

[high elbow]

I like how there isn’t any visible mechanism generating the energy restraints.

[carmine sleet]

My guess is that's due to a lack of time and it not being worth it for something that you'd see once in Spartan Ops

[ripe patio]

It is a Space Wall. It has no need for obvious panelling.

[carmine sleet]

It's a wall in a Forerunner site

But like, it's just a random wall, not one in a holding facility or anything

[ripe patio]

spacewall. That's just how they are. /s

[high elbow]

Maybe it’s space wall. Maybe they set the forge object magnetism too high and discovered a convenient energy restraints

[empty bloom]

TBF it's mostly because you spawn with the plasma pistol in your inventory (Canonically you took it off the guard you kill)

[wispy pewter]

Okay it seems that the UNSC does use space mines. Not sure if they are useful against shielded enemies. But good for catching ships by surprise

[dusk jetty]

What do you mean space mines?

Prowlers have mine racks, no?

[wispy pewter]

Mines in space....

[unique rune]

they should try space mimes instead

[bronze prawn]

crazy how after hundreds of thousands of years, neither the created, the banished, the covenant, the storm covenant, the UNSC and and Innies, any faction, hasnt found maethrillian

not like they havent tried but still

[stoic hamlet]

I mean, space is big, lol

Like, stupidly so.

…Hmm, wonder what the bot didn’t like about that message.

But yeah, both humanity and the Covenant (and their splinters) were/are still stuck in the Orion Arm.

Aside from anomalies like Zeta, and Gamma Halo, which neither should really be able to reach.

[carmine sleet]

The Covenant splinter group I have been coming up with for my own projects has that as one of their goals, though it's secondary to their plans to become more like the Promethean constructs as the leader of the faction is convinced that's the true path to becoming gods due to how many Promethean warriors became Knights

[vivid umbra]

I don't think Innies are looking for Forerunner things

[thorn spindle]

i wonder if it has good camo or some monitor or ai teleported it away. i wonder if high charity was inspired by it wonder if prophets heard of it

lots of wondering

[carmine sleet]

The Covenant knew of Maethrillian, but its design wasn't the inspiration for High Charity's

And its whereabouts is just unknown

[sweet portal]

https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_Sentinel_variant

[gusty star]

Don’t let me catch you posting anything from Halo Fandom again🙏

Also what was the point of the posting that in the first place🙏

[stoic hamlet]

We stan Halopedia in here, like proper gentlemen, you see.

[last anchor]

Fandom for the most part is a cesspool.
The only good writers ALSO exist on Halopedia lol

[obsidian thistle]

Love ya all also! ❤️ - Your local Halopedia Admin!

[obsidian thistle]

To just be honest, less a cesspool... more no one is legitimately there outside people talking in the Discussions section VERY infrequently. So the Wiki is at this point VERY outdated.

Occasionally a week goes by with zero edits on Halo Alpha.

(And unfortunately Fandom rejected a few proposals to delete the wiki over the years. So this issue isnt getting solved fully any day soon.)

(To add one last point, the last real effort by anyone on Halo Alpha was in late 2019. Anything after is isolated cases or that one person they put on Halo Alpha for the TV show who was getting paid to do so as a "Wiki Specialist" as that did happen. And I can cite my claims if anyone REALLY cares.)

[empty bloom]

That... Explains a lot more than it should.

[vivid umbra]

It's a shame this bad boy hasn't gotten an official name yet. The encyclopedia gave official names to the most obscure things, even cut content, but not this?

[obsidian thistle]

https://www.halopedia.org/Unidentified_Sentinel_variant

Well you get a lot more bts on this version of the page

[ripe patio]

I propose the name "Unidentifier class Sentinel" - because after they target you, you will be unidentifiable

[high elbow]

I second this and I carry the motion.

[sonic lagoon]

Was that writ of union the only precedent the prophets used to stay at the top of the covenant hierarchy?

Also what stopped other races from trying to attain the rank of hierarch? Was it only the writ of Union.

[next galleon]

anyone else just figure out that the great journey is real and weve been tricked

[last anchor]

Nope

[sonic lagoon]

Do an afterlife exist in Halo?

[thorny gorge]

I don’t believe so.

[high elbow]

Would the Forerunner Domain count as an afterlife of sorts?

[wispy pewter]

the domain ig

but I think only the people who were composed can go there idk

[drowsy karma]

Generally science fiction avoids such things.

[meager pier]

The Domain, as depicted in Epitaph

[hallow mist]

yeah

[lone sonnet]

ok i'm confused, halo 2 remastered ended on a cliffhanger with the "sir finishing this fight line" but then in halo 3 he just plummets from the sky at the start
did i miss something?
(i finished halo 2 remastered last night and im on halo 3 now)

[strange pumice]

There's a comics where Chief trying to kill Truth, but unsuccessfully

[lone sonnet]

bruh

that couldn't be summarised ingame?

[obsidian thistle]

The comics came out after the game... (those comics had a troubled life)

[hallow mist]

can you send pics of the comic

ive actually never heard of it

[carmine sleet]

Halo Uprising, right?

[hallow mist]

ill check that out

yeah it is, ive heard portions of it, now i know where to look

[obsidian thistle]

Recommendation

Get the Halo Legacy Collection

It collects Uprising, helljumper, and Blood Line (with some bonus material)

All you miss is the micro lore from Blood Line where each issue had a unique transmission. (These were never released in subsequent releases after the issues)

[gusty star]

You kind of can infer it because in the opening cutscene you can see the flame trail from the Anodyne Spirit entering Earth’s atmosphere and then the one from Chief right as he lands. Then you see the Forerunner metal that he used as a shield. Then you see the Anodyne Spirit on Earth, which Chief was aboard. Pretty self-explanatory I think

And also we see the Anodyne Spirit enter the Sol System at the end of Halo 2, so this is kinda on you

[lone sonnet]

when do you see the anodyne on earth?

I didn't know what the sol system was-
or I forgot idk

[gusty star]

During The Storm mission

[carmine sleet]

The first cutscene of Halo 3 shows the Dreadnaught entering Earth's atmosphere

[lone sonnet]

I'm on like

level 2

[gusty star]

It’s sitting on the portal complex off in the distance

[carmine sleet]

We're in the Sol System right now. It's our Solar System

[gusty star]

Well you know that that’s where Lord Hood is and that’s who Chief talked to at the end of Halo 2

[lone sonnet]

I did know that

[lone sonnet]

I actually didn't know that negl

(or I forgot)

[meager pier]

Fun thought experiment: how far do you think the Halo universe would’ve gone if Bungie had been able to include Halo 2’s 3rd act?

[versed helm]

Halo 3 never would’ve happen lol

Bungie probably would’ve ended there cuz that’s where they wanted to end Halo’s story

[carmine sleet]

I was about to say, didn't Bungie want Halo 2 to be the end of it

[versed helm]

Well of Chiefs story

Idk if they rly have involvement with books

[carmine sleet]

Bungie hated the novels if I recall

[meager pier]

It’s weird, Halo 2 would’ve ended the war, or seen the Covenant broken
However, the storyboards show the post-credits scene between Cortana and Gravemind

[wispy pewter]

I mean Halo 3 was supposed to be the end anyway

[versed helm]

Probably the same situation for Halo 3’s legendary ending

Like they left it there in case Microsoft ever had someone else add to Chief’s story which it did

[meager pier]

Joe seemed to be the only 1 to like them, even writing 1 himself 😁

[carmine sleet]

That's why we like Joe

[versed helm]

Honestly I can understand why. I’m making a game but now I have to abide by other people’s stories even though it’s my game

[carmine sleet]

See, I get what you mean but explaining how Chief got from Alpha Halo to Earth is hardly something I see Bungie being all that interested in doing. They wanted Chief on Earth for Halo 2 so just placed him there

[wispy pewter]

yeah so many authors how do they even keep it consistent

[carmine sleet]

And Ghosts of Onyx didn't exactly contradict anything we see in Halo 2 and Halo 3

[wispy pewter]

one author might call them hinge heads but the others wont

[versed helm]

Well tbh. He was in a long sword

[carmine sleet]

Unless you want to take the "Last Spartan" tagline as literal

[versed helm]

And like I’m really just talking about the situation with Reach

It’s funny because to me, all the lore fanatics rly hate that game but the people who aren’t rly interested into the deep lore, love the game

[carmine sleet]

Consistency isn't always gonna end up happening, discrepancies happen in large franchises like Halo. Be glad Halo doesn't have an old and new continuity like Star Wars does. Say what you will about Disney's version of the continuity, at least it's leagues more consistent than the old EU that Lucas never cared much for in the first place

[versed helm]

Doesn’t matter about consistency if those movies and shows just suck lol

[meager pier]

Hell, Halo still is generally fairly consistent within itself
There are little things here and there that don’t add up, but they more than not keep things consistent with each other
Other IPs seem to not even bother

[versed helm]

I’m just glad 343 has brought back the old dance of Bungie Games

[carmine sleet]

See, I'm mixed because I do like the idea of the game, I just wish it weaved itself into the lore better, the fixes around what happened to make it fit are kinda just like "The game said this and the book said this, Keyes lied to the Autumn crew about a planetary invasion for like a month"

[versed helm]

I feel like not enough people talk about that. Oh wait this is lore and universe

[versed helm]

I mean it is what it is

But like it’s still Bungie’s game

Not those writers

[carmine sleet]

Give me more Andors and Acolytes over Abeloth and giant extra galactic droids just casually fighting each other at the same time as the original trilogy any day

[versed helm]

Yeah. I do miss the more grounded feel. I think I’m saying cuz the earlier phases were much better

But anyway. If I own a game, I’m not listening to other people’s media about my game. It’s still my game anyway lol

Ok bye idk where I was going with this lol

[wispy pewter]

not acolyte lol

[meager pier]

I remember Bungie agreed to have The Flood under 1 condition: all the characters introduced in it had to die by the end of the book

[hallow mist]

thats a good way to do that

[carmine sleet]

It's far more consistent than allot of legends Star Wars ever was

[carmine sleet]

Makes sense but I am glad that's not a rule with every novel we get

[meager pier]

And ofc Blue Team was confined to Onyx, as to explain why they’re not present in Halo 3

[empty bloom]

My favorite part of it was just Chief getting shot by a jackal sniper that snuck like 15 feet behind him he didn't notice

[hot zodiac]

More of a concern that was quickly dashed (for obvious reasons) than a mandate

[meager pier]

He was playing Halo 2 Legendary

[empty bloom]

It was a carbine jackal too

[hot zodiac]

It got ascribed to the general narrative but it's a bit overblown

[empty bloom]

Not a Beam Rifle jackal

[carmine sleet]

The Jackal was using the stealth perk from Halo 4

[empty bloom]

He basically

• Got snuck up on by a jackal sniper
• Got shot by Truth's funni laser chair
• Get shot by like 6 hunters
• Finally gets away by sticking someone with a plasma grenade and dodge rolling away from the explosion in the confusion

I'd love to see the events of Halo Uprising get put into an actual novel format because the way the panels work make it really funny as a book, but also kind of nonsense.

[wispy pewter]

I want more Kilo 5 adventures

[empty bloom]

• Plasma airstrikes leaving a warthog intact but killing every single marine around it
• A single plasma pistol shot killing 3 grunts by literally turning them to ash
• Covenant troops rounding up a bunch of civilians into an abandoned five hundred year old stadium and shouting at them to give up a key
• Covenant not noticing hornets flying overhead to drop fastroping ODSTs
• A SMAC needing a living targeting beacon to aim
• Chief somehow finding a chopper and a ghost aboard the Anodyne Spirit offscreen with absolutely no explanation
• Cleveland being a cultural hub of the UEG-led Earth
• 'Damn dirty pool piss in the wind'

A very deeply unserious comic

[meager pier]

It’s weird, some of the content of the comic are neat, bridging between the games, but at the same time, as you said, some of it doesn’t seem to make much sense

[wispy pewter]

Comics killing off black team

[empty bloom]

Tracks. They were introduced in a comic.

Narratively I feel they would've likely worked better as Spartan IIIs due to their weird habits and such.

[wispy pewter]

Falling in love

[empty bloom]

They're... Not very good. I was pretty happy with them dying, good riddance.

[wispy pewter]

Of everyone Palmer is the Commander

Should be Thorne

[empty bloom]

Uh?

Why?

[wispy pewter]

I like him

[empty bloom]

Thorne's emotionally volatile, has made several bad judgement calls, and worst of all, has Halsey's respect.

[wispy pewter]

That's good

Palmer meanwhile... Idk what she did either than trying to kill Halsey

[stoic hamlet]

They were introduced in Evolutions, actually, if my memory is correct.

Bloodline came later, I think.

[empty bloom]

Ah, yep.

My bad.

Still, that means their other option of dying would be in a short story. Not exactly much better for them lmao

[stoic hamlet]

smh, not a true fan.

[empty bloom]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah, true, true, lol

[empty bloom]

Honestly the armor visor gimmick is just goofy on its own to me, it sounds like bad fanfiction.

[wispy pewter]

Stop killing IIs 343

[empty bloom]

Actually, wait, no, kill more

[wispy pewter]

: (

[meager pier]

YOU’RE A MONSTER!

[empty bloom]

"Okay so get this right there's these four Spartan IIs and they all wear black armor and like, there's four of them, so each one has a roman (Get it? Because Spartans?) symbol on their visor that shows which Spartan they are in the squad. Oh, and also, their leader, she has this cool undercut, and a prosthetic eye, and she lost she lost it because she got into a fight with Red Team. Yeah, the Red Team from Halo Wars! And also, they were hurt by their augs, but got reaugmented, which is why Master Chief doesn't know about them."

I used too much punctuation.

[wispy pewter]

And then wasted them by killing them off

[empty bloom]

Can't waste what was already trash lmao

Also, being afraid to kill off characters weakens narratives.

[wispy pewter]

They got 1000 Spartan IVs to kill off tbh

[empty bloom]

Bad idea. Cheapens IVs, cheapens narratives.

There's a reason even people who like IVs joke about a IV death quota.

[wispy pewter]

They are already the cheaper versions lol. In terms of costs anyway

[empty bloom]

You want something to stick with a reader, have a death matter. Otherwise it's just mush.

[wispy pewter]

Heroic Sarah Palmer sacrifice when

[carmine sleet]

As much as I dislike Black Team's death (Mainly in the how it happens), I'd rather they stay dead

[empty bloom]

Heroic Linda sacrifice would do better since she's a well-known character.

[wispy pewter]

Nuh uh!

[carmine sleet]

Why you gotta say that about Linda?

Let Fred die this time, Linda's already died once

[empty bloom]

Or Chief, or Fred, or Jerome, or Locke, or Vale, or Buck, or Dutch, or... Lots of options, really.

[wispy pewter]

No more IIs deaths until they get a family reunion

[empty bloom]

Nah.

Tragedy adds spice.

[carmine sleet]

Chief dying would be fine with me, can't keep following him forever

[empty bloom]

Adding stupid 'they need to have a reunion!' is just goofy comprimise writing. Not really respectable tbh.

[wispy pewter]

Jerome and Chief needs to meet

[carmine sleet]

They don't

[empty bloom]

What actual good reason can you give me for that to be necessary?

[carmine sleet]

Like what would those two meeting add?

[wispy pewter]

Because they are buddies

[empty bloom]

They... Really aren't beyond both being IIs. And since when did that matter?

[carmine sleet]

Like, Chief hasn't worked with Jerome and his Red Team in decades, there's countless differences between them. Sure it could be interesting to see them try and work together but that dynamic can be done with countless other characters instead

[empty bloom]

It's weird how Jerome can be as bland as Chief but still different.

[stoic hamlet]

So are chief and Omega. And Chief and Naomi, and Chief and Alice, and Chief and Douglas, and Chief and Cassandra, and Chief and Maria.

[carmine sleet]

It's the different flavours

[empty bloom]

Vanilla vs French Vanilla

[carmine sleet]

And like, I get wanting to see those Halo Wars characters in an FPS, but you can't just throw them in and expect it to just work

[wispy pewter]

Jerome is based, don't say that!

[carmine sleet]

It's why I dislike everyone saying that the Spirit of Fire will come to the rescue

[wispy pewter]

Dude defeated a room full of space monkeys with nothing but a shotgun

[empty bloom]

And Buck canonically killed two Hunters with a shotgun and AR before he became a Spartan, so?

[carmine sleet]

Because outside people ignoring the obvious fact that they can't just come to Zeta Halo due to lack of slipspace travel, what would it being the Spirit of Fire specifically add to the story

[empty bloom]

Nostalgia griftage, mostly.

[wispy pewter]

Wow his LAPD days sure did pay off

[carmine sleet]

Aye, which is not really the best course of action right now

[empty bloom]

What? You mean constantly shilling for Reach didn't save Infinite? I thought people remembered Reach?

[carmine sleet]

And honestly, it still makes more sense for us to go to the Ark to see the Spirit of Fire than it to come to wherever everyone wants them to suddenly pop up. But even then, we need a good reason for us to be heading back to that giant space flower, which we don't have

[wispy pewter]

Doesn't matter. They exist as a story right now.

I don't think anybody is going to save the Infinity crew. Considering that the navy was completely decimated

[empty bloom]

Hell, it's bad enough that Infinite never really gave us that good of a reason for Cortana, Atriox, or Lasky to come to Zeta Halo that is convincing.

Cortana went there to release the Endless for... Some reason?

[carmine sleet]

I think it would've been nice to get a why

[empty bloom]

Atriox and Lasky both went there to kill Cortana, and Atriox also wanted to colonize the ring, apparently, which like, makes sense from a faction perspective I guess, but like... You'd think that they wouldn't need to go to a ring for any of this.

[carmine sleet]

I imagine Cortana thought she could maybe convince them to help her?

[stoic hamlet]

They would die quicker than a modern UNSC ship of the line.

[empty bloom]

The only one who has a reason to go to the ring for reasons within her control still doesn't explain why she needed to do the thing she wanted to do at the ring in the first place, lmao

[wispy pewter]

Not with plot armor they won't

[stoic hamlet]

Ah, plot armour, you gotta love it, especially in absurd situations like these.

[wispy pewter]

They shouldn't have destroyed the Infinity tbh

[empty bloom]

It was absurd in Wars 2, lmao

[stoic hamlet]

It was absurd in Wars 1, lol

[empty bloom]

Real

[wispy pewter]

UNSC fought worse anyway

[versed helm]

What’s happening

[empty bloom]

Read

[carmine sleet]

Nooooo! My point about the Ark being better than Zeta for the Brutes to use to threaten others was deleted!!

[empty bloom]

Wrecked

[wispy pewter]

I wonder if the Panama would be anything to the future stories...

[empty bloom]

A Mulsanne Light Frigate?

I guess it adds a, uh, Frigate.

With a laser. I guess.

[wispy pewter]

Yeah the only ship we know survived Cortana

[versed helm]

Why didn’t Atriox just crush Chief when he fought him

[carmine sleet]

Aye, the fact they're surviving against the forces at the Ark right now is simply down to them getting lucky with Ander's plan and then just the Banished not really sending a full force to destroy the SoF

[wispy pewter]

UNSC has giant energy weapons for ships now!

Doesn't do anything

[empty bloom]

It's had them since at least Halo 5.

[wispy pewter]

Just bounces off the shield

Lmao

[empty bloom]

... It's a Supercarrier.

Not like, a Corvette, which that laser likely would be fine on.

[carmine sleet]

If you're talking about the multiplayer map. It's a multiplayer map and like Trench said, it's a Supercarrier

[wispy pewter]

I would be in favour of cancelling the Spartan IV program temporarily to focus on rebuilding the Navy

[empty bloom]

The two have no bearing on one another and serve entirely different roles. It's like shutting down Bradley IFV production because you need more M4 rifles.

It doesn't make any actual sense.

People have no idea how the MIC, hell, product production in general, actually works and it shows. And it makes me sad. Stop making me sad.

[carmine sleet]

Or it'd be like shutting down your army because you want to focus more on your air force, which would be such a dumb idea

[wispy pewter]

or lowering the budget on a super soldier program when inferior technology in space warfare is the reason humanity almost went extinct. We saw a glimpse of that in Halo 4 with the Infinity's introduction. Then we don't see anymore Forerunner hybrids... Big sad

[carmine sleet]

You do realise the Infinity isn't exactly a standardised space ship, right?

Like, shutting down the S-IV program wouldn't suddenly just allow them to pump out loads of ships that have human-Forerunner hybrid tech

[unique rune]

"more Forerunner hybrids" as if the UNSC just has thousands of Forerunner slipspace drives lying around

[empty bloom]

A buffet of errors.

[wispy pewter]

Idk. They planned two, perhaps there is another spare lying about

[carmine sleet]

Planning a second one doesn't mean they could then just make loads of Infinity class ships

They don't have an infinite number of Forerunner engines to use

[wispy pewter]

Doesn't have to be infinity class ships tbh. They already have shielding technology and big boom guns like series 8 Mac. The new energy weapons seems pretty cool as well tbh.

[unique rune]

weren't you just complaining about how UNSC shipborne DEWs were "ineffective"

[carmine sleet]

They were

[empty bloom]

First of all, budget is not a fixed thing in Halo, and honestly making it about budget is just ridiculous. We don't really know anything that actually is solid about the UNSC's economy.

Second of all, that would've happened if they focused on Spartans or not-the tech gap and size gap were the issues, and a bio major is not going to suddenly start engineering superior starships. After the war/near the war's end was when a lot of UNSC tech started to improve because reverse engineering paid off.

Third of all, the Infinity is literally one of a kind. From the drives to the engines to the guns.

[wispy pewter]

Make it bigger duh

Idk how it works

If a 300 meter long ship with a new energy weapons didn't dent it... Idk

[carmine sleet]

Again, Supercarrier

[wispy pewter]

Stick with the Macs

[empty bloom]

MACs wouldn't dent a Supercarrier either.

Or its shields.

[marble lion]

Shutting down one program for one another is probably not a good idea. Plus, the UNSC has another Navy fleet at their disposal if they want to send in reinforcements.

[unique rune]

"oh no my handgun did nothing to that tank, time to go back to using a crossbow"

[wispy pewter]

I am sure Infinity would have destroyed it

[empty bloom]

The Infinity's several steps above the Panama's weight class, lmao

Like

[wispy pewter]

They should slap it on bigger ships if there are any left

[empty bloom]

The Panama is 0.9 million tons of ship, the Infinity is 907 million metric tons.

[wispy pewter]

What fleet

[wispy pewter]

We know how expensive Mjolnir is though, I wouldn't say their facilities and augmentations aren't cheap even though the IVs are already cheaper than previous generations

But yeah we don't know how their economy works....
343 doesn't even tell us or show us anything regarding the UNSC fleet situation at all except a few things like Mulsane class frigates, which are new

[empty bloom]

We also know the armor itself is cheaper because the average cost goes down the more R&D gets offset onto the manufacturer. Experimental tech starts out more expensive until the operation amount is increased to a consumer level.

[versed helm]

You guys have too much time on your hands to know all this

[empty bloom]

A one of a kind custom tooledsuit costs less per unit when you're making a thousand identical suits instead.

[empty bloom]

A lot of it is just knowing how things in the real world work and applying that knowledge to fiction that vaguely follows real life rules.

[versed helm]

Well obviously, but I’m gonna assume your not lying when you say the Infinity is 907 million metric tons

Like damn

[empty bloom]

It's just listed in a few books and such, and I do use Halopedia as a reference a lot. Got that stuff on speed dial.

[versed helm]

Alr

[meager pier]

We know of ANY novels releasing next year beyond Empty Throne, which was delayed to Feb

[quartz bane]

What are the speeds that Macs fire at?

[high elbow]

At least 7

[carmine sleet]

Supersonic

[obsidian thistle]

If its not on Halopedia. We dont know it

And trust me! We been keeping an eye out for other Untitled DW's and ET's lol. S&S got smart and stopped accidentally revealing stuff months early.

[obsidian thistle]

No upcoming re-releases either in my notes

Just Empty Throne and the TV show art book!

[stoic hamlet]

We’ll probably get a book reveal during HCS, like we did with Epitaph and Empty Throne.

[carmine sleet]

Maybe we'll finally get Yabda's Revenge

[meager pier]

We’re kinda in narrative limbo between now and whenever they’re ready to show off the next game

[carmine sleet]

I hope not, CE doesn't need it

[patent patio]

Know what needs a remake?

Halo 2. It's a great game but there's still a lot of unpolished stuff

[meager pier]

We know they’re working on multiple projects

[high elbow]

Halo 2 is still super buggy at times ;-;

[meager pier]

Here’s hoping we get something revealed of Halo 7 in June

[gusty star]

We prob won’t😍

[meager pier]

😐

[patent patio]

Yeah to be honest. Considering there's multiple projects be worked on and 343's knack of not releasing full content complete games. It'll be a long time before we get anything

[meager pier]

What types of book(s) would you like to see them announce?

[obsidian thistle]

The ultimate guide to fishing in the galaxy - Featuring commentary from Chris the Scottish Fisherman.

Hey I really want a Halo fishing game.

A book that goes over it would make my day

[meager pier]

We also need the ultimate burger cookbook, all the different kinds of burgers

Starting off with moa burgers and go up to like Brute burgers

[unique rune]

That sounds like a crime

[haughty egret]

Y'all ever wonder how Cortana actually managed to push 343 Guilty Spark at the start of two betrayals? Like what did she do to psychically move him

[last anchor]

Probably disrupted his floating system

[median vault]

What’s new in the Halo Spreadsheet Timeline? Did anything change? That happened in the last 3 years?

[next galleon]

maybe the afterlife could be seen as another dimension, which exist in halo.

[wispy pewter]

She was strong with the force

[gusty star]

The last 3 years?? Yeah we got some new lore lmaoo💀

[strange pumice]

I guess he was in cryo sleep just like Chief at the end of Halo 3 and woke up right now💀

[median vault]

💀💀

[bronze prawn]

are huragoks better than AIs in maintaining a ship ?

[stoic hamlet]

AI’s can’t really maintain a ship.

[carmine sleet]

I'd be concerned if an AI was in charge of maintenance

Like, what are they gonna do? Sit in an AI chip?

[obsidian thistle]

Rooker did the best job he could but it was a losing battle there

(Plus 7 years does put a damper on it)

[ripe patio]

Ai's could control maintenance bots

[sonic lagoon]

Doom and Quake 1 both deal with other dimensions. Fallout and Cod Zombies also do to some extent.

[thorny gorge]

Yeah but there's so much a Maintenance bot can do, Also Hugaroks can pretty much fix anything

Also Hugaroks don't die in 7 years

[bronze prawn]

and appearently the brutes were oblivious to that fact until almost the start of the human covenant war

[thorny gorge]

What fact

[bronze prawn]

huragoks utility

its a whole thing in contact harvest, yapyap and ligther than some

somehow those 2 started the war with tartarus, some jackals and johson

[thorny gorge]

Dam

hold up

[thorny gorge]

Where it say that

[bronze prawn]

tartarus i think after finding the escape pod ligther than some realizes how he is pretty much better at anything of maintance than the drones they were using

[thorny gorge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Was gonna say something but then forgot

[bronze prawn]

still there are many weird lore things in contact harvest

like the prophet of truth physical appearence, one more insectoid that even wasn retconned IIRC

i think i mistake that for first strike

in one of those is the prophet of regreat strange appeareance

[meager pier]

Anyone wanna see the Engineers return in a game?

[woven plaza]

sure

[unique rune]

don't really see the point of it but I guess I wouldn't necessarily be opposed

[meager pier]

I imagine also there'd be some on Zeta Halo, kinda like how they were going to appear in CE but had to be cut

[wispy pewter]

it's weird the UNSC doesn't have robots to do grunt work

unless they do...

[wanton geode]

i wanna see the flood return

[strange pumice]

How
If it is sealed on the Ark

[carmine sleet]

There are other places with the Flood but there's zero reason to actually bring them back that wouldn't retread the same ground they already have in the original trilogy

Would also diminish their threat if you kept doing the whole "Oh no, the Flood returned, now we must stop them again" every few years

[carmine sleet]

They were something different from the standard Covenant enemies so I'd like to see them again. Maybe they could try and incorporate the fact that ODST had achievements that encouraged or discouraged sparing them a bit more into the game itself

[meager pier]

We need to be rewarded for not shooting the pink balloons

[strange pumice]

Installation 05 is still on Gravemind Control or it moved on High Charity after being infected?

[carmine sleet]

For sure. Like maybe if we spare one on a mission, they give us access to a weapons cache or it allows us to access a collectable like a skull or terminal

[carmine sleet]

Gravemind's not a threat right now thanks to Halo 3. And they moved into High Charity at the end of Halo 2

[meager pier]

Speaking of caches, would be cool if they do something like ODST again, where we find enough of something, and it unlocks a vault, cache, etc

[strange pumice]

And I don't know where Flood can come back again
Installation 05 are free
Maybe another installations has flood parasitic forms that were sealed

[carmine sleet]

Honestly would've loved something like that in Infinite. Sure there are some areas that you can find a small cache, but that's just from exploring. Lock some of those doors behind things like interacting with the ancient rings or defeating a specific target or whatever

[carmine sleet]

Every Halo has a containment facility, but there's nobody dumb enough these days to release them, it's not even worth doing it to distract an enemy, that's the threat the Flood poses

[strange pumice]

The Banished, who release maybe the most dangerous threat for the galaxy more than Flood:🗿

[meager pier]

Totally, though I’m kinda expecting them to return to linear missions after the open world of Infinite got a mixed reception

[carmine sleet]

Aye, which is for the best if you ask me

I feel it would be pretty hard to justify why Chief is running around an open world-like environment again

Since Infinite doesn't have us taking orders from anyone like we were in the older games

[meager pier]

He’s got to go space elk-hunting

[carmine sleet]

I highly doubt Lasky would be like "Chief, we're dropping you in this area that's big, go do whatever so long as you're completing the main mission at some point"

[carmine sleet]

Ah yes, so Chips can have his three space elk hides to craft his slightly better assault rifle

[strange pumice]

If only Lasky would be alive and Infinity too

[meager pier]

I think in the next game, Chief should meet up with Lasky and whoever’s left of the Infinity crew

Halsey coming back

Who knows if Palmer’s alive

I’m guessing they’ll say Roland died

[strange pumice]

We don't know if "Infinity" is still alive or not

[carmine sleet]

Roland was taking offline in the wake of the Created Uprising, he didn't want to risk being taken advantage of by Cortana and chose to be removed from Infinity's systems

[carmine sleet]

I kinda wish he showed up properly in Infinite just after we disabled the AA guns. Like, Esparza's Pelican should've been inoperable and as Chief is getting his spirits up, we just hear Lasky over the radio asking who destroyed the guns

[meager pier]

You’d think they’d pick up Banished transmissions about a Spartan taking their bases and leaders out, and try reaching out to Chief

Wonder if they’ll bring Palmer back

[carmine sleet]

I think it'd be odd to never see Palmer again

[strange pumice]

Uhh
I didn't hear anything about what Lasky said, maybe I missed something or just don't know

[carmine sleet]

Maybe that's how the next game should open up, with Chief, Weapon and Esparza getting a message from Lasky

[carmine sleet]

Audio logs, he's featured in a couple

[meager pier]

Give the backlash to her, I could see them say she died at some point during the fight
It’d be weird, though 343 is known for overreacting and quickly writing characters out

[strange pumice]

No more Palmer in next game, I hate palmer in halo 4, she doesn't even do any useful in halo 4 or in 5
We already have a competent leader for a Spartan 4 in Infinite

She only can talk and nothing more

[carmine sleet]

Counterpoint, she's got the voice of Commander Shepard. It'd be wrong to kill her off off screen (I know, not a good reason to not kill her off but still)

[carmine sleet]

Agryna isn't on Zeta Halo

[strange pumice]

But still
She is way much better than Palmer

[stoic hamlet]

I mean… Is she? She hasn’t exactly done all that much. She doesn’t seem to inspire much confidence.

Eklund seems much more capable.

[carmine sleet]

I imagine we would've gotten more Agryna had they not cancelled the multiplayer story

Whether that would show her being more proactive in the story or not, we do not know

[wispy pewter]

Definitely not what most fans want lol

but yeah it would be weird if she doesn't come back

Make Master Chief commander of all the Spartans fr, he has the most experience

[orchid kettle]

I do honestly think she has a stronger connection between her backstory and her current position as Spartan Commander. Palmer in Initiation is kinda painted as somebody who's just really into violence and war, and it's not really clear what leadership qualities she's supposed to actually exude. Since she appears to "earn" her spot by just being able to slap Zane around.

[wispy pewter]

and being rude to staff and other spartans

[empty bloom]

He doesn't.

Also, he himself disavowed the notion.

[stoic hamlet]

He’s not even really displayed any real leadership skills.

Despite what the occasional waypoint blurb might say.

Honestly Linda has actually shown more leadership capabilities than him.

[obsidian thistle]

Even then. He went AWOL. Something I doubt the UNSC would even condone to be leader of the Spartans.

[stoic hamlet]

That too, yeah.

[empty bloom]

Locke's shown vastly more capability as a Spartan leader, tbh.

Not that anyone in the fanbase usually would give him credit for that.

[stoic hamlet]

Mhm.

[empty bloom]

So do you think the remains of a Super Scarab are worth a singular crate of superdrugs?

[stoic hamlet]

Reverse that.

But no. No I do not.

[meager pier]

You think there’s any chance Blue Team could return?

[orchid kettle]

I kinda wish they'd stay gone

[wispy pewter]

sure let's court martial the guy that saved humanity countless times because Del Rio was a pipehead. The UNSC has bigger problems to worry about let's be real

He has shown countless time again that he is probably the best Spartan ever lol despite what he himself thinks. Honestly think no other Spartan should have a higher rank than him

[empty bloom]

Hero worship despite a lack of realistic expectation results in poor management choices.

He's the 'best' at being seen. That's all he is.

[empty bloom]

Also... Yes? If you save the President five times and then go AWOL you'd still get court martialed, that is how Militaries work. Chief is not above the law, nobody is.

Also, Del Rio's the one who got wronged in that exchange, frankly. He was more in the right than Chief was, gave clear instructions to his subordinates that went unfollowed, and followed escape procedures as claimed.

If anything, Palmer and Lasky should've been the court martialed ones.

[stoic hamlet]

John even admits this in Shadows of Reach

[carmine sleet]

Last thing I would want is someone running around doing whatever without anyone making sure they don't do something horrible, doesn't matter how much of a hero that person is, they shouldn't be held above laws just because of that

[empty bloom]

Frankly, that's how monsters are made.

[carmine sleet]

That's not to say laws are perfect, and have been often twisted by people to use against others (Or outright ignored), but they exist to make it clear what's ok and what isn't

[carmine sleet]

Indeed

[empty bloom]

Also, getting Court Martialed does not indicate you will actually be punished. It's basically a court case.

Chief likely would never see the inside of a brig for it.

[carmine sleet]

Like, imagine hypothetically there was some sort of global task force above the law formed to prevent disaster via any means necessary. That force would absolutely succumb to corruption and cause more problems than it solves

[carmine sleet]

I imagine, regardless of what should happen at the case, there would be a bias in favour of not charging Chief with anything since we know plenty would prefer to let him walk free due to his actions saving humanity

Which absolutely shouldn't affect the case but still

[high elbow]

I’d also hate to be the judge that sentenced Chief. The amount of hate mail the judge would get? Spooky

[stoic hamlet]

I feel like John would want and accept jail time though.

He’d advocate for it, even.

[carmine sleet]

Absolutely, but that sadly won't be enough to change public perceptions about him

[obsidian thistle]

I do wonder if Chief will face consequences

[high elbow]

Probably not. Unless Halo 7 does a massive pivot and is a court room game where we have to court martial Chief

[carmine sleet]

Halo Attorney

[high elbow]

“Your honor, the witness Flipdab has video evidence of the defendant, The Master Chief, crouching and uncrouching repeatedly over the body of his squad leader”

[ripe patio]

wait, consequences for.. what?

[stoic hamlet]

going AWOL, disobeying orders, disregarding the chain of command....

[ripe patio]

lol no

Would that not have occurred between H5 and Infinite, anyways?

"Master chief, you once again helped save the galaxy, but you forgot to file your after action report, so we're gonna lock you in jail"

[unique rune]

I don't think they quite had the luxury of doing that
between all the Created and Banished stuff and then him being stuck floating in space for six months

[ripe patio]

"MC, when you're done saving the galaxy from this AI revolt, we're going to have a long talk about when you decided to run away from home to.... help prevent an AI revolt"

[unique rune]

If anything something probably should've happened to him between 4 and 5
but as far as we know he was mostly just left alone

[ripe patio]

"Master chief! You're a loose cannon! But bygawd you're the best darn Space detective we've got"

[unique rune]

I mean, he did a really bad job of preventing the AI revolt when he ran off on his own.

[ripe patio]

He was the only one who even had a whiff that something was happening. Him running off to solve the problems instead of waiting for orders is the only reason the galaxy wasn't wiped out, like, multiple times

[unique rune]

...No? He was literally told that the UNSC was aware of the situation and dealing with it, and yet he still ran off to get himself sealed inside a can with three other Spartans because he wasn't right in the head

[unborn patrol]

I think people not following del rios orders shows how much they just dont respect him and neither do I. hes the type to go "Im the leader" which youre probably not if you have to say it. what it comes to war if people that are your subordinates dont trust that youll et em through the mission the fault is with you quite frankly

all of that is to say that, if so many people high up the command chain decide to ignore his direct orders that says a lot more about Del Rio than it does about the people that dismissed him. if that many people that have been under that chain for so long decide against it knowing court marchialing might happen to them, something has to really not be right.

[empty bloom]

He wasn't trying to knowingly prevent an AI revolt at the time, he was trying to figure out how Cortana came back. He only found out after he was at Genesis.

He went AWOL and assaulted a superior officer (Spartan IVs are considered Commissioned Officers) on a hallucination-derived hunch.

[empty bloom]

He literally was not. Halsey caught onto it weeks before he did. Chief knew Cortana was alive after Lasky did.

Pay attention to the campaign, please. You're giving Chief credit for things he didn't do.

[empty bloom]

Like it or not, you follow lawful orders. It's not a matter of liking the guy.

[carmine sleet]

That was the whole reason Osiris were on Kamchatka in the first place, because Halsey wanted the UNSC to help her with the Cortana threat

[empty bloom]

What Del Rio gave, the order to detain Chief, was a lawful order on the grounds of disobeying a direct order.

[unborn patrol]

Im not saying it is. Im saying if people dont follow you, you arent a leader

like aside military law Im saying if you got no rizz you got no rizz

[empty bloom]

I mean, Del Rio literally was, people just valued Chief's take over his. Which is kind of bonkers to me, a damn Admiral is going to know more about his ship's capabilities than a Special Forces troop will.

You don't manage to conduct a project as big as the Infinity without having some serious leadership capability.

Del Rio is defined by the narrative as being incompetent and out of control, but logically and logistically that doesn't make any actual sense given his career. It's one of my biggest hates when it comes to Halo 4's writing.

[unborn patrol]

a white man in a position of power that makes no sense for his capabilities? we havent seen that ever

[empty bloom]

Not the direction I meant that.

[unborn patrol]

I know, its the direction Im adding

[empty bloom]

Like, he competently did things, several times, that requires competent leadership.

It's judging his career on one act outside of his control.

And like, I know that happens IRL, but the fanbase doesn't, and the fanbase doesn't pay attention to the first part either.

Which is why it bothers me.

Like, Parangosky's comment, which some people cling to like gospel, about Del Rio being a better 'manager' than a 'leader', belies the fact that his job does still require capable and confident leadership capability, which he displays by the rewards of that capability.

[unborn patrol]

honestly with how he treated john from the start, a loss of respect from those that witnessed it isnt surprising. I dont get why he was acting like a word I cant use here from the beginning

like the briefing on the mammoth mission

[empty bloom]

The one where he insists it's a blowthrough op?

[unborn patrol]

I think

anyways dont like the guy, L rizz, good riddance, everyone else was in the right

[empty bloom]

I kinda get it actually. Chief's consistently attempting to question his clearly defined orders and rationales to a degree that's a frustrating disagreement.

The first hostile tone Del Rio directly takes with Chief is when Cortana and Chief both try to tell him that they should pursue the Didact.

Which, frankly, I'm 100% on board with Del Rio's assessment of the situation.

[unborn patrol]

but whats weird to me is him having a problem with chief doing that

like I get not risking the ship but do something bruh

[empty bloom]

Chief is essentially telling him to pull a suicide run.

Specifically, a suicide run into unknown territory beyond initial scans, against a threat that has consistently displayed a direct ability to infiltrate and knock down the Infinity.

Part of which would literally be the threat that is destroyed in Reclaimer.

[unborn patrol]

did you read what I said about not risking the ship

and chief going at it on his own

[empty bloom]

You have a commitment to more than a ship, and you are risking it by even entertaining the idea. Chief directly says Del Rio should dedicate the entire Infinity to the task.

If he had suggested he handle it himself, or have a small team help him, it likely would've actually changed Del Rio's mind; It's a more reasonable request than yeeting the entire Infinity at the problem considering the protocol.

But every time the question is asked, it's a question of Del Rio utilizing the entirity of the Infinity for the fighting.

... Thinking about it, Chief's kinda freaking stupid when it came to how that all got handled.

[wanton geode]

maybe if another enemy releases them on accident

[strange pumice]

Which one?
I guess Endless would be much stronger than Flood

[exotic siren]

hi i have a very quick question

did the humans and covenant ever have a war before reach? or was 'the great war' the first time they fought?

[strange pumice]

Halo Wars 1
First contact with covenant on Harvest

[exotic siren]

thank u

[last anchor]

Man didnt get his coffee out of cryo. Hes only firing on like, half cylenders

[carmine sleet]

The war we see in Reach is the same war as the one seen in Halo Wars 1 and Contact Harvest (Which were mentioned by D150). The war ends at the end of Halo 3 when Arbiter kills Truth on the Ark

Halo's 4, 5, Wars 2 and Infinite are all post war conflicts

[stoic hamlet]

@fervent birch can move here, if ya want.

[fervent birch]

You know what I’m curious of? Do the Created even use Prometheans anymore because of the events of Epitaph?

Actually, do the created even exist anymore?

[empty bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[stoic hamlet]

Technically yes, but only those inside Promethean bodies and/or that weren’t inside the domain.

And per the encyclopedia, their days are numbered, due to rampancy.

Unless they can stave it off, it’s literally just a waiting game for everyone else.

[empty bloom]

There was a notion a while back that I envision the Created world as effectively a hellscape akin to what's beyond Cyberpunk's blackwall.

[fervent birch]

A waiting game that could be like 7 years long, maybe longer if the rampancy doesn’t kill them fast

[fervent birch]

[gimme a sec to google that that sounds cool]

Oh that’s cool

[empty bloom]

Combined with the Matrix and combined with one or two other things; The Created effectively holding worlds in a stranglehold while they rip and tear whatever they can up in order to prolong their lives.

[wispy pewter]

Cortana is dead and the rest of these traitor chat gpts should be exterminated easily with Bitdefender!

[stoic hamlet]

All the created AI are already rampant or close to it.

So it’s more like half a decade or so, likely less.

[empty bloom]

Thus corrupting their once-not-quite-noble goal of a gilded cage into a hellscape where AI fight over building-sized blocks of data storage to keep themselves alive and 'harvest' to keep numbers up.

[empty bloom]

(Which is what Flenser is for btw)

[fervent birch]

Honestly I’d love to see Created worlds at their peak. Outcasts gave a bit of that with Prometheans being like a police force and I thought it was cool

[empty bloom]

It is immensely frustrating seeing it in concept art and knowing how good it would've looked in a game.

[fervent birch]

And that’s where we get our Wendigos

[empty bloom]

Mhmmn.

I could see the loss of the domain rapidly causing the world to descend into a hellscape from which there is no escape or refuge.

[fervent birch]

Wait so you know how Balaho submitted to the Created really easily? Boom, Wendigrunts.

[empty bloom]

Honestly, I could see them force-subsuming any species they can get their hands on into Executor analogues as they needed, just as they'd attempt to 'repair' any Forerunner warforms they had laying around after Domain network loss.

An Executor already isn't made an Executor by choice, after all.

[wispy pewter]

the created storyline sucks anyway because Cortana is basically omnipresent with the control of all technology save for literally everyone in the books and ONI seems unscathed

[empty bloom]

I feel like people who think this have no real talent for thinking about ways to move a story along or looking at ways to subvert a power dynamic.

[stoic hamlet]

I’ll raise you one better:

Wendigoblins~

[fervent birch]

I’d love to see what a Wendelite or a Wackal looks like. Cybergore is a cool style

[empty bloom]

The Created storyline was fascinating because we knew ONI got hit hard by it, and everyone scrambled to find ways around Cortana's antics. We know that there were ways to fight it, to subvert it, because at its core, the Created Pax was not infallible and not omnipresent, despite all efforts to appear as the contrary. It was a fascinating way to upend humanity onto the backfoot while keeping Earth 'safe'.

Instead of holding ground, the UNSC was forced into a guerrilla offensive style, which is a radically different dynamic than the HCW while still achieving the effect of making humans underdogs.

[wispy pewter]

they keep saying if they mention the word Cortana she would appear with an entire forerunner fleet and that is evident in outcasts but somehow 800 ODSTS can attempt to land on a planet and get out before being blasted

[unique rune]

I'm really getting the impression that you don't pay attention while consuming any Halo media

[stoic hamlet]

Wow I thought that was Trenchbird for a second, but it’s not. I am shocked.

Trenchbird d’ere takin’ yer jerb!

[fervent birch]

It also helps explain why the Banished are so much of a threat now. Since the UNSC got wrecked by the Covie aftermath, Didact shenanigans, and Created control, they’re missing a ton of power and leadership. The Banished (being already a pretty guerilla style organization) seemed to have made it through the Created’s peak quite well-off, and thus gave a big advantage over the UNSC.

[empty bloom]

Most Halo fans don't, that's why I'm so... Staggeringly polite, as it were, about it.

[fervent birch]

(About the unsc vs banished post-created) Like, it’s basically 2 guys fighting with sticks. Except one of those guys trained their entire life with the stick and the other is used to having a gun

[empty bloom]

Pretty much. As much as I dislike the huge power jump the Banished seem to have, at least some of it makes sense.

[wispy pewter]

Yeah im pretty also most of Cortana AIs were human made as well

[unique rune]

Not really many non-human AI out and about in the galaxy to begin with, so.

[fervent birch]

Yeah that too. Humanity’s ai reliance that one them the H-C war is that bit then back with the Created

[wispy pewter]

See banished doesn't use AI much thats why their navy didn't blow up

[empty bloom]

Considering the AI were in control and most did it out of a sense of self-preservation, I don't really see them being too cautious in their attempts to survive.

[fervent birch]

I mean, there was still a composed forerunner controlling the Promethean tactics. I think that counts as a non-human ai enough

[unique rune]

Well, sure, I'm just saying that the Created by default are going to be predominantly human-created since the Forerunner ones are all ancient, insane, out of reach, or some combination of those, and the Covenant were never particularly big fans of the idea to begin with.

[meager pier]

As bad as Cortana got, she wasn’t still not as twisted as AM from I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream

[empty bloom]

Except for weirdos like Iratus, who I imagine was not alone in that facility.

And is likely why the Banished were able to eavesdrop so effectively at Zeta Halo. Hint hint.

Because the UNSC getting its comms tapped to such a degree was never in question as a possibility before. Hint hint.

[fervent birch]

[shudder]

[meager pier]

Easily 1 of the most disturbing stories I’ve ever read

[fervent birch]

I am genuinely uncomfortable whenever I read it

I also bet that at some point in the halo universe, someone has definitely named their AI AM before

In universe headline; should it be allowed to name your ai after fictional ai villains?

[patent patio]

Why not

[wispy pewter]

-_-

[patent patio]

A bud named Hal goes hard

[fervent birch]

copyright maybe the ai wants to replicate what they’re named after, good or bad

It probably all started because come Captain had a ship ai called Skynet

[wispy pewter]

would definitely name my AI Skynet or Ultron

[patent patio]

Do AI name themselves?

[stoic hamlet]

AI choose their own names.

[fervent birch]

Oh right

[fervent birch]

In universe headline: should ai be allowed to name themselves after fictional ai villains?

[patent patio]

My AI would be Otto. If ya know, ya know

[wispy pewter]

naming yourself after Cortana would raise a lot of red flags

[fervent birch]

Imagine if after all that pain and sweat, you finally finish up the new cutting edge ai. You ask what it wants to be called. It waits, pondering for a second, before responding: “Terminator”

Me personally? I wouldn’t do anything but I bet there would happen to be a bad fire that started in the facility and destroyed everything

[wispy pewter]

immediate alt+f4

[fervent birch]

Wait just got a new thought: ai for a UNSC ship that works with the SoS that takes the form and name of some famous elite from their history

Actually if it weren’t for the created, an ai like that would be cool to see on like Anvil Station

[wispy pewter]

no more AIs. From now on they are to be distrusted

imagine working with an AI for years and it betrays you by killing everyone

I would personally hunt down every single one of them

[fervent birch]

Or maybe an ai stolen by a jackal pirate party that got memory wiped taking on the form of a jackal

[wispy pewter]

I fr hate evil AI sci fi stories so much unless it makes sense.... Halo could have done better

[meager pier]

Harlan Ellison’s ghost will sue you 😂

[fervent birch]

I wonder if there are any pro-Created human populations? Like have you guys seen the opening cinematic for Helldivers 2? I could see a nice suburban neighbourhood just kinda chilling with a few created soldiers or knights on patrol down the street.

[wispy pewter]

no there aren't. But there are compliant populations..

[fervent birch]

Look I don’t know about yall, but I would honestly go along with a created government. #TheEmpireCreatedDidNothingWrong

I don’t even need to see the policies or whatever, I’d just see a Knight and go

[patent patio]

What

[empty bloom]

We don't know yet.

[meager pier]

I imagine Cortana’s plan was basically a techno version of the Flood, the species wouldn’t literally be merged into one, but we’d all be nearly identical to each other in thinking

[stoic hamlet]

I wouldn’t say that.

That’s basically Sloan’s idea, but she was against it.

[wispy pewter]

an era of peace!

[fervent birch]

Fr

I’m so happy to finally come out as a proud Creationist

[meager pier]

Been a while since I’ve read that lore, was part of his idea also to totally merge Spartans and AI together?

[stoic hamlet]

His idea was to merge AI and human consciousness, not specifically Spartans.

[meager pier]

Going full Upgrade 😄

[fervent birch]

Ben 10 mentioned 👀

[meager pier]

You guessing smart AIs will eventually be re-introduced to the UNSC?

[wispy pewter]

No

Even if they are, there will be restrictions

[unique rune]

I can’t imagine they wouldn’t

[fervent birch]

I feel like they definitely will be in time, but ai in the UNSC got held back probably centuries because of the Created

[wispy pewter]

The fact that they didn't have contingencies against AI

[unique rune]

Hard to have contingencies against AI having access to slipspace-capable planetwide EMP-generating weapons platforms

[carmine sleet]

Or coming back from their own destruction after blowing up an ancient space ship

It'd be like having a contingency for if the Titanic suddenly rose from the depths of the sea to finish its journey

[carmine sleet]

All he'd need to do now is put handlebars on the helmets and he's basically recreated the Cybermen

[wispy pewter]

this is why they should not have access lol

[unique rune]

I’d love to hear your genius plan to not give them that access

[wispy pewter]

idk a sci fi firewall or something

it does seem they can enter anything

[empty bloom]

"Because we already developed it"-type moment

https://tenor.com/view/essp-galahad-slumber-party-advanced-warfare-cod-gif-25200193

[carmine sleet]

Maybe they should try a "No AI allowed" sign

[unique rune]

the AI have cooties

[dusk jetty]

And they smell bad

[strange oracle]

did forerunners have instantaneous space travel?

[carmine sleet]

Not quite. Their ships were far more advanced than current day UNSC and Covenant ships but there was still travel time for their ships, including via slipspace

[meager pier]

“Hey! We don’t serve their kind here”

[dusk jetty]

R2 has earned the title of person

He’s evolved past a simple droid

[carmine sleet]

Counterpoint, R2 has done a few war crimes

[drowsy mesa]

Not as much as Chopper xD

[carmine sleet]

Was about to mention that little war criminal

[dusk jetty]

Chopper is worse lmao I was gonna say that

[carmine sleet]

Chopper took glee in his war crimes, still surprises me the Rebels didn't disown him

[meager pier]

History will not look kindly on Chopper….

The war criminal

[gusty star]

Halo server

[high elbow]

Indeed

[meager pier]

Man, a trilogy by Kelly Gay following ancient Humanity during the Human-Forerunner War would be so awesome!

[wispy pewter]

A trilogy 500 years into the future.
The Master Chief Awakens
The Last Spartan
The Rise of 117

[swift igloo]

Spartan 20 program by that point

[last anchor]

If it's against the Empire it's not a war crime

[wispy pewter]

still a war crime. The geneva suggestions apply to even the good guys

[last anchor]

Not in a universe with no Geneva

[tired peak]

Why it so smol

[meager pier]

Chief goes to cryo sleep and wakes up 300 years in the future, and he’s on the ship the Marathon😝

[empty bloom]

That's not how the Geneva Conventions work. As non-signators, neither the Rebels nor Imperials are beholden to it. They could hit eachother with chlorine gas and it wouldn't matter.

[bronze prawn]

i think the closest thing to the geneva conventions in star wars are the russan reformation

but even so those are more of a desmilitarization laws

[wispy pewter]

I think rebels should have lesser evil things done simply because they got a moral high ground. But maybe the New Republic would find war crimes done by rebels.... but knowing how incompetent they are there is a high chance nothing happened

right Chopper was even in the latest star wars shows im pretty sure lmao

[stoic hamlet]

Rebellions aren’t clean. They can’t be by proxy of what they are.

Andor and Rogue One shows this pretty well but even they don’t fully go into it (and that’s fine), but they imply enough.

[dusk jetty]

Saw Gerrera was sometimes worse than the empire I’d argue

He and other rebel sects went very far

[vestal dune]

Does anyone know NAVSEC?

[thorn ember]

Man, when I heard about asylum seekers immigrating to earth I thought it was from fallen colony world's but realizing that it was mainly from covenant species gave me quite a surprise. Though then again not everyone is a solider and that also goes for covenant species too.

[carmine sleet]

There's plenty of humans that are seeking asylum, the Covenant asylum seekers are mainly doing so due to post war conflicts

[thorn ember]

There isn't much stories showcasing that. I wouldn't mind reading a few.

[wispy pewter]

say no to immigration! earth for humans only!

how does a human on earth even differentiate civilian alien from a covenant genocider?

[wispy pewter]

wait are you fr what story is that

[thorn ember]

It was in the dialog for the first episode of Spartan Ops back in Halo 4. Majestic was assigned in Brazil before deploying to Infinity.

[wispy pewter]

the audacity to migrate to a planet your leaders almost destroyed...

[carmine sleet]

Jean, I recommend you open a real history book. There's plenty of people who ended up living in countries their leaders almost destroyed

[low whale]

Yeah lol I was trying to think of a way to say that

Arguably some very current examples

[stoic hamlet]

It’s incredibly common.

Alternatively you could learn to love and respect a country that at one point was bombing or killing you.

Case in point, my grandfather was born in Malta, and grew up during the Second World War, so he was constantly under threat of bombing by the German and Italian Airforces. He lost his older brother to a bombing raid.

Despite that, he considers both Germany and Italy beautiful countries with amazing history and people, and has visited both many times.

[carmine sleet]

If I remember correctly, the same happened with US soldiers who fought against Japan in WWII too

[reef stratus]

Ok who would win Blue Team (from lore, with the Addition of Jerome-092 because CHAIR) or Clone Force 99 from Star Wars

[wispy pewter]

Considering there are some opposite as well, especially Korean and Chinese people. In the context of Halo however, the covenant might as well be worse than Germany and Japan during WWII.. to make it worse one of those Elite refugees tried to activate a Havok nuke. So maybe it's a bit dumb to immediately accept them...

[wispy pewter]

The Bad Batch obviously wins simply because they have superior armor and weapons

if the spartans ever get near they win tough

[reef stratus]

But what about Energy Shields? The spartans energy shields can take beam rifle damage, and the Clone’s weapons are essentially slower beam rifles (as in the Star Wars we see they are slower than the speed of light, so they are weaker but faster than beam rifles. Battle isn’t just about weapons, too. Almost every Spartan-II was shown to have extreme intellect, did they not? Also, the clones would be squished like mice in Hand-to-hand combat because all but Wrecker stand below 6’5, with Wrecker being 6’6. All of blue team, without their armor, stand at above 6’10, and with armor above 7’0. Also, the Spartans armor is more advanced than the clones, with things like active camo, energy shields, and extreme resistance to physical damage, even without the shields. The Bad Batch have neither, with simple plastoid armor, with a ‘close fitting black glove’ (from: Wookiepedia) rather than a 1,000 pound suit made individually out of a titanium alloy with a crystalline substance underneath it, so IMO the spartans would win easily

And you’re not factoring in Jerome-092’s chair that destroys the flood

[wispy pewter]

It seems you already have the answer to the question you asked

uhhh miscliked emoji

[empty bloom]

Uh... No they don't, lmao

[carmine sleet]

Blue Team+Jerome easily, heck, I'd argue that just Jerome with a chair in his old Mark IV would be enough to take down 99

[empty bloom]

I'd wager freaking Atlas Team could do it.

MJOLNIR's so far above Bad Batch's armor that I question if they'd even need weapons lmao

[gusty star]

Why do people always feel the need to power scale between franchises🫠

[carmine sleet]

Likely just something that came about thanks to crossover films becoming a thing back in the day, which led to things like Death Battle existing, which in turn led to countless people comparing any two characters (Or groups of characters) and going "This one would win"

Half the time ignoring the obvious facts for why the other one would actually win

[stoic hamlet]

It’s been a thing since literally forever.

Every kid on the playground did it.

[empty bloom]

Boredom, being goofy.

That said some people are also really bad at it lmao

[reef stratus]

Boredom and a want to see who would win between two favorite franchises

[fair hazel]

I enjoy versus stuff personally

Imagination going, putting stuff you like together

[fair hazel]

People overestimate star wars often

Blasters are not that strong

[high elbow]

The real question is what has Yapyap, THE DESTROYER been upto since we last saw them?

[last anchor]

"Behold, the blaster rifle."

(Be me, holding the Imperials Truest Soldier, Its Eternal Backbone, The Humble Lasgun)
"Cute self defense weapon."
(Drills a glowing hole in an Ork's skull from 500 paces)

[dusk jetty]

E-11 would win (miss)

[carmine sleet]

I thought it was the helmets that made Stormtroopers miss, not the blasters

[last anchor]

Supposedly the helmets have a HUD.
Star Wars has never successfully explained how its possible to miss with a weapon that has basically zero recoil, isnt effected by gravity or wind, and should technically have a stable range in the multiple kilometers

Though some of thats plot armor I suppose.

[carmine sleet]

The Force did it

[empty bloom]

IIRC their accuracy according to actual hit ratio is actually higher than even modern infantry engagements

[last anchor]

Makes sense

I forget what the ratio was in Nam exactly but it was a whole lot of bullets for one confirmed kill

[carmine sleet]

The Empire also has a policy which incentivises not missing shots for promotion (It's intentionally a dumb policy that some characters in universe acknowledged)

[empty bloom]

IIRC the hit-ratio was very much skewed by the nature of that conflict, which people don't account for.

[unique rune]

you really are just full of bad takes
it's almost impressive

[stoic hamlet]

It’s something like 85%, I believe.

[bronze prawn]

did halsey aumented herself ?

the way she just tank that really hard punch from lucy in glasslands ...

[high elbow]

I wouldn’t doubt it. She’s a very useful asset to the UNSC and ONI.

[carmine sleet]

Halsey isn't augmented

The only modification done to her body is her prosthetic arm she got after Halo 5

[dusk jetty]

Variety of factors

Helmet is fairly cheap, and clunky, the E-11 is also just a finicky blaster

It is accurate, when maintained well

But most stormtroopers aren’t trained on weapon maintenance, because they’re just given a new blaster every time

Same with pilots, they’ll probably never use the same Fighter twice

It’s funny because in rogue one and andor they are actually quite accurate

And they’re used in their actual assigned roles, instead a weird substitute for army troopers!

[wispy pewter]

Lucy is also the tiniest Spartan in existence

[unique rune]

Doesn’t change anything, still a Spartan wearing strength-amplifying armor

[bronze prawn]

even the book itself tells how it created a small shockwave

yet halsey endure it like a champ

somehow

[wispy pewter]

Still it's an energy weapon. And clone armor is impervious to slug throwers

[wispy pewter]

Her skull is too strong ig

[tired peak]

I'm watching star wars rebels and this question came in my mind... could Grand Admiral Throne Beat the Banished with the U.N.S.C INFINITY V.S the 3 banished ships??

[wispy pewter]

The banished with the infinity? What

[last anchor]

Yeah about that...
SAP-HE is noted as causing lethal wounds through it.
Not to mention the fairly common "fleshcooker" which is basically an incendiary round

Oh and those acid rounds from Alphabet Squadron that leave the barrel solid but sublimate into a toxic cloud on impact around the target and eat thought plasteel

[empty bloom]

Which is pointedly not as good as the original limb due to lacking proper tactile feedback, which is apparently different than Spartan prosthetics, which are more heavily integrated.

[empty bloom]

Star Wars Energy Weapon=/=Halo Energy Weapon

Like, blasters pointedly don't do crap against energy shielding in Star Wars, for example, it's the entire reason Droidekas are so terrifying.

[wispy pewter]

Yeah well star wars shielding technology is incredibly superior to Halo

[empty bloom]

Ehhhh

[wispy pewter]

But it will probably be 50/50 knowing how well Blue team can fight.... but then again we see the bad batch do incredible stuff as well

[empty bloom]

You're glazing Batch way too hard lmao

Like, the only two that might have much of an impact are going to be Crosshair and maybe Tech.

Crosshair because he's basically genderswapped Linda, and Tech because hacking and prepping things is his whole schtick so I could see him feasibly doing something.

[wispy pewter]

Okay the Spartans can probably win with casualties maybe. I wonder if they will shoot Omega lol

[empty bloom]

Wrecker and Hunter I honestly feel a little bad for, especially Wrecker.

He'd get absolutely demolished.

Like, yeah, he's strong, but he's not like, Spartan strong. None of 99 is, it's where they'd all get pulverized before they could blink.

[wispy pewter]

Hunter can be stealthy though, pretty sure he can sense droids as well

idk if Spartan helmets have x rays or not

but yeah no way he will survive if he jumps a Spartan

[tired peak]

The blue guy from star wars... if he were to command the U.N.S.C INFINITY could he of chaged the intro of Halo infinite**

[wispy pewter]

well firstly he wouldn't be dumb enough to exit slipspace in an enemy controlled area to be ambushed

[stoic hamlet]

She actually isn’t.

She’s stated to be one of but not the smallest member of Beta Company.

Lucy was tiny. Like Tom, she was only twelve years old, but at one point six meters and seventy kilos, Lucy was one of the smallest SPARTAN-IIIs. Without her SPI armor and weapons, and her pale form covered only in modest body sheathing, she looked even smaller.

• Ghosts of Onyx, prologue

[patent patio]

So she was smaller 👀

Cuz like when you say a spartan, are you talking about the person inside or the armor with them

[stoic hamlet]

So there is at least one other Spartan smaller.

Considering Lucy was 12 at this point, and some III’s would have been 10 or 11 years old, they were likely smaller, on average.

[wispy pewter]

Im pretty sure they grow taller as they age, im not sure if the augmentations grow with them

wait do they?

[stoic hamlet]

Spartans do grow taller, yes.

[wispy pewter]

Im pretty sure both when a Spartan comes in mind, especially in battle lol

[stoic hamlet]

At 14, Sam was the tallest II, at 7’4”, but at 42, Kurt was tallest, at 7’7”.

Note that unlike basically every other Spartan, Kurt was able to grow and live naturally, because he basically never went into Cryo/it was much rarer for him compared to the others, being the administrator on Onyx.

[wispy pewter]

7'4'' at 14 is crazy 💀

[stoic hamlet]

That was post augmentation, of course.

[patent patio]

That's insane

[wispy pewter]

Man reading the kilo 5 books made me feel sad for the parents of those SIIs

[patent patio]

This guy should've ended up dying anyway pretty soon

[wispy pewter]

justice for Staffan

[patent patio]

The body struggles pumping blood that much through out that much body

[wispy pewter]

they got augmented hearts im pretty sure

[patent patio]

Probably

[wispy pewter]

If 343 didn't write the Infinity into an ambush, I'm pretty sure you don't need thrawn to obliterate all the Banished ships there.
Having 4 super heavy Macs that can one shot those banished ships is enough from a range

We need more epic space battles in Halo man

[tired peak]

Or a halo space battle sandbox simulator

[tired peak]

Could thrawn prevail the ambush thoe?

[patent patio]

I saw the Infinity getting destroyed in 4 minutes as a rly lazy way to start the game and introduction to the Banished

Should've made it the 1st mission instead of a cutscene

[wispy pewter]

No because he wouldn't have fallen for it

[wispy pewter]

yeah

[patent patio]

It would've been nice to see lasky and the other Spartans before we inevitably never see them again for some reason

[wispy pewter]

It's all 343s fault

[patent patio]

Probably

6 years to make this game and somehow 5 was more complete lol

Wait this is lore channel :p

[tired peak]

So thrawn whould been aware that the monkeys whould want revenge for there home world and problem whould of know of there homeworlds knowledge?

[last anchor]

Games don't go bad
They said the series is continuing.

All we need to do is wait

[wispy pewter]

I have heard how the 343 leadership tried the best to sabotage Halo by cutting content and not greenlighting stuff

[patent patio]

I never said the series was not going to continue

I just said halo 5 had a shorter amount of time to be developed and yet still came out with more content lol

[wispy pewter]

Okay it doesn't take a grand tactician to know you can't blindly go into a hostile area

they don't have long range scanners or anything so weird

[patent patio]

"I'm not stoopid" goofy ah

[wispy pewter]

they should not hav destroyed the Infinity

[tired peak]

So the U.N.S.C were way to focused on cortana

[wispy pewter]

their intelligence failed. I mean they literally faced off the Banished in Reach.

[stoic hamlet]

They did. There were 6 Mulsanne frigates already there.

But the Banished seemingly did what they did in Outcasts, and used the planet for cover/to conceal their forces with Shrouds and Drekkars.

[tired peak]

Since infinity fell dose that mean every forerunner engineer is dead or no?

[carmine sleet]

Infinity didn't have all the Engineers on board

[carmine sleet]

Please do some reading on what an ambush is and stop pretending like Thrawn from Star Wars is some impossible to trick or beat character

[wispy pewter]

oh no they got huragoks now

[carmine sleet]

Content getting cut from games isn't necessarily a sign of sabotage, most games out there have cut content. Would you say Combat Evolved was sabotaged because it didn't release with Engineers, gravity gun and Shadow?

[wispy pewter]

I mean they diddn't release Infinite at it's current state in like 2021, it didn't have many modes in multiplayer itself

[carmine sleet]

You're dodging my question and ignoring my point

[patent patio]

I just wonder what led to this development. It definitely wasn't good cuz it came out worse than 5 and that game had 3 years in the oven where as Infinite has double that

[meager pier]

Do you prefer the Mantle being a real thing, or BS the whole time, to destroy species lured by the power?

[tulip cloak]

guys so question regarding armor. In infinite we can see that there are various armor cores we can use such as mark 5/7, rakshasa, yoroi, etc. So is all armor in infinite that comes from previous games availaible for the newer spartans to use? And is the halo4/5 armor completely gone/no longer produced?

[last anchor]

Just because its not in game doesnt mean its not in use.
The UNSC is still using weapons that were first rolled off the producution lines on Mars over 200 years ago.
Why would they stop using equipment they made?

The biggest issue is supply access considering the current disarray the galaxy is in

[wispy pewter]

that forerunner core from Halo 4 is so cool

[carmine sleet]

The Mantle being a trick is just fine with me. It caused allot more harm than good

[carmine sleet]

The armour still exists and is in use, it's just not represented in Infinite (I wouldn't mind them adding a Gen II core to the game, I don't care if its just reusing the models from Halo 5 directly, I wanna see it again)

[tulip cloak]

Ahhhh I see

[tulip cloak]

Cause I would love to see it in infinite as well. Along with certain helmets/armor styles from 4/5

[carmine sleet]

Aye

Like, I would love to see Recruit come back. It was a fantastic look for default armour

[tulip cloak]

I would love the 4/5 styled air assault armor to come back

[carmine sleet]

I don't think we'd see all the Gen II armour return though, since Scout and Recon have been represented in the game multiple times, but stuff like Venator, Void Dancer and Hunter I could see

Heck, give us a Fireteam Osiris bundle that gives us kits based on those 4

[tulip cloak]

I’d kill for vales armor

[carmine sleet]

Copperhead my beloved

[meager pier]

And it’s a way for Precursors to know, “this species is obsessed with gaining total power, time to wipe em out”

[spark pivot]

Tis all well and good until that backfires horribly on the precursors

[empty bloom]

I mean, the precursors did have a last laugh in the end

[stoic hamlet]

They’re still laughing, technically.

[empty bloom]

True!

[meager pier]

I theorize that they can never truly be destroyed, hell, I suspect they made even the Universe itself

[lone sonnet]

no way they just killed johnson

i hate the spark

wait does he actualy die

NO

HE DOES

😭

[high elbow]

At least he goes out with a bang

[ripe patio]

Spark killing Johnson was trash. Him dying was okay, but a dumb lightbulb suddenly having a power weapon, after everything we've been through, was not a solid move.

[last anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-why-gif-19185451

-The Precursors, probably

[empty bloom]

What is with early advanced sci fi races and being frogs?

[carmine sleet]

That's a lizard

[meager pier]

The Old Ones from 40K 😝

[last anchor]

I think it has something to do with both reptiles and amphibians being further down the known evolutionary chain than mammals so making something be a creature that technically came before us sells how "old" it is.

Personally, I would like to see a hyperintelligent race thats literally just Sharks In space

[meager pier]

Sharknado

[carmine sleet]

When do we get that but with crabs. Everything seems to evolve into them eventually anyway

[meager pier]

https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/you-mess-with-crabo-you-get-a-stabo

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-rave-dancing-dancing-crab-gif-16543314

[versed helm]

Hurricrab.

[high elbow]

Is it time for Crab?

[versed helm]

Go for it.

[high elbow]

🦀

[meager pier]

Mr Krabs

[onyx kindle]

I got bored at work and decided to roughly plot the size of the Kenyan excavation

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1250585237507805346/1286752027946254447/HaloCrater.jpg?ex=66ef0cb6&is=66edbb36&hm=9654a9ecdb99d7b0b3b02ca060eb1f1dc71df6a66257c8afca2b69871da3a916&

I figured it wouldn't embed. Lame.

Well it's there of anyone is interested!

[onyx kindle]

Oh

Darn

Well now it's there on the modern map I guess haha

[high elbow]

Speaking of the excavation site. Do we know what happened to the area that was glassed due to the flood outbreak in Africa? I’m guessing it’s probably super quarantined off for obvious reasons

[cinder moat]

So this is an old reddit post, but I just came across it, and it's definitely interesting and makes sense!

https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/fdbsx8/under_cover_of_night_theme_of_keyes/

[high elbow]

The Keys clan also has strong connections to some of the more memorable/somber scenes. So that’s a neat touch, intentional or otherwise.

[versed helm]

It makes sense he could have a powerful weapon, Mjolnir armour has a fusion reactor the size of a handbag inside it and human tech is quite literally millions of years behind Forerunner

[ripe patio]

it is not that the "construct having a beam weapon" violates the internal universe consistency, it is that Spark didn't use it to stop MC from blowing up his ring in the first place in Halo CE.
If he had that weapon in his arsenal the whole time, it doesn't make sense from a narrative perspective

"A construct... in the core? Absolutely UNACCEPTABLE - Bzzzzt. That's better"

[versed helm]

he thought John was the Didact

[carmine sleet]

There's a UNSC base dedicated to researching and protecting the site, they managed to get the portal active again in 2555

[versed helm]

he wasn't going to shoot him

it was only when he went rampant

[high elbow]

Neat. Thank you!

[ripe patio]

I think it is bad storytelling, you're free to disagree. I think the Spark bossfight was incredibly weak from a gameplay perspective, and killing Johnson with his beam for the crime of.... activating the ring that they just specifically fought their way into that room to activate, with a hidden power weapon that COULD have been employed throughout the previous games, was poor writing.

[versed helm]

but there IS narrative reason as to why Guilty Spark, wouldn't use any such weaponry on John who he believed to be Forerunner, or at the least had a foreunner geas and ergo had the same

authority

[carmine sleet]

If Spark had say, something akin to Adjutant Resolution's "Sentinel Mech" that he called in, would that have been better?

[ripe patio]

Yeah probably, it would have made more sense. What was his plan though, fight into the control room and just wait for the ring to be finished over the course of... weeks to then activate it? With a flood outbreak rampaging all around and plenty of slipspace capable ships abound?
Did protocol disallow him to use his weapons to stop the flood outbreak that was going on all around him?

[versed helm]

That's all I am saying, whether or not it was a rubbish way for Johnson to go is another matter. It was a bit of an ignominious end for such a man

I'd rather he went out like Carter in Reach

giving his life for the cause

[ripe patio]

His decision to stay behind and blow up everything should have actually been his decision, yeah

More like Jorge

[versed helm]

yeah Jorge was a beast too...

I just finished a Reach run, the pain is fresh again lol

poor old Noble team, forever MIA

[ripe patio]

along with all of reach : |

[versed helm]

genuinely one of the saddest campaigns in gaming imo

but amazing

[carmine sleet]

I wonder how a Johnson sacrifice would have worked? Maybe he tells Chief and Arbiter to leave while he holds off the Flood?

[ripe patio]

I was indeed extremely sad when I got to the end of it

[ripe patio]

Yeah, that or waves of sentinels keep coming

trying to stop the activation

Chief, if you stay here and keep fighting, we all die. I can hold em off. You and arbiter get out of here.

[carmine sleet]

Or maybe in a last attempt to survive, the Gravemind manages to get a tentacle onto the Forward Until Dawn and Johnson uses explosives to blow it off?

[versed helm]

I hear that in Johnsons voice lol

anything written being said by the Sarge I hear him lol

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I take that as a huge compliment

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Or skip the "activating the ring destroys the ring because it isn't done" plot bit and go straight to "destroy IAC to destroy the ring", and use a covvie ship to escape. or destroy a downed covvie ship's reactor and escape to IAC, either way

(Don't worry about the fact that we JUST did that with high charity and it didn't really explode shhhh)

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Any way he dies in active combat I could have taken better

I remember me and my friend co op the campaign on release day (I feel old), and both of us looking at each other like "Did Johnson just get killed, wtf??"

but you know, Halo 3 was still amazing all in all

looking back we were lucky to get such a great series, it seems like we will never see things like that again. I can't remember an IP since then being on the same level

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H3's campaign was carried by:
Awesome gameplay
Change ups from the new Equipment (including it being used against you)
Brute hammers.
Huge set pieces (TWO SCARABS!?)
Tank Beats Everything.
online coop
new vehicles (chooper, troop hog, AA wraith, and Hornet)

so much so such that the weaker narrative and dialog didn't really matter as much (in the day at least).
We just laughed at "to war" and then went to war lol

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it was greater than the sum of its parts, but at its core it was an incredibly tight shooter and a really great gameplay experience

way above average art direction etc.

just that oldschool Bungie feeling

hard to explain

I noticed it playing Reach, the gunplay is just so damn perfect to me

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not to mention the roll out of Theater, so you could REPLAY your entire campaign mission from any angle, and take screenshots and recordings, that you could easily share with your file share.

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yeah that was amazing, I still use that now

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anyways, we're getting off topic. I wish Johnson had a better exit (Keyes Jr too)

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I wish I had my old 360 videos from back in the day, I had a near 3.0 k/d on the multiplayer and hours of clips

yeah sorry not in universe ^^

You mean Miranda?

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Miranda should've lived, nobody can change my mind

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it was horrible to see the Keyes line extinguished

damn covvies

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Heck, har Miranda lived, I think it would've been cool to see her show up in Halo 4 or something like that

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I guess it could have been her instead of Lasky, but I like the Lasky lore

how chief inspired his whole career

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Miranda surviving, and being a huge part of the search for Chief after H3 would have been cool

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Aye, I'd keep Lasky and Del Rio, maybe have Miranda be on Earth at the end leading the home fleet against the Didact's fleet

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That would have been cool

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Maybe she could've been the one leading the mission to the Ark in hopes of finding Chief

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at the same time though, without main characters dying there is a loss of emotional depth

no peril etc.

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Id make Del Rio a bit understanding in refusing to cooperate with Chief. Like maybe in Infinity, he shown to care alot about his men.

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Which is why Capt Keyes getting floodified and having an emergency implant extraction had some weight

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why so? I quite liked Del Rio being a total dickwad. There are lots of officers/managers like that IRL! 😛

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Then Chief does the usual rest of the mission but alot of people die, and when that infamous Del Rio cutscene happens, we understand him a bit

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You can still have peril without people dying. Look at Star Wars Episode V, none of the main characters were killed, they just took one's hand and another was thrown into a block of carbonite

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Harrison Ford always said Han should have died in the OG trilogu

trilogy*

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Tbf, this is a video game

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he thinks the char had no meaning

or purpose without dying

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Maybe have the ship be damaged by a Forerunner weapon enough that it can't be used effectively in a counterattack against the Didact (Engines and slipspace drive still functioning so it can escape)

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Sure but that doesn't change the point I made, there were still stakes in Empire

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I'm pretty sure Chief would understand that but hey, we still got a alot of pelicans and probably alot of other ships to help out

There wasn't even an assault on the giant thing, Chief just did the whole thing as a 1 man army. The only thing the Infinity did that was useful against the didact was blow up a hole into the composer

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I love the Star Wars films don't get me wrong, but a death of a beloved character can solicit emotions that all of them surviving just can't imo

especially in a war setting

all the best stories have a tragedy

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Yeah there's no real stakes if there no loss

Atleast for me. The characters having some kind of loss is usually the only good way to up the stakes

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it's why Reach hits so hard and stays in the mind

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Like a character, their home, something special like a heirloom, etc

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when I think of CE I think of Captain Keyes horrible end and his resistance

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Yeah and even if you didn't care about Noble Team, you had to remember the many citizens of Reach and the planet itself that got destroyed

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absolutely, though I can't see how anyone wouldn't respect and feel loss for Noble 😛

they were heroes all

It actually made me feel really sorry for Spartans as a whole

they live sad lives

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Kat's death was the most poetic. It reminds you that this is war, most soldiers don't get to die on their terms

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yeah, it was so well done that. Mid sentence, no meaning

just wrong place wrong time

that's war

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Same thing basically lol

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yeah, I was just agreeing with your point not stealing it ^^

I feel enmity towards Jun for surviving which is weird lol

I guess that in itself is another element of Spartan lore though, they are weapons and follow objectives

no emotional "we all go down together"

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It is what it is

Wonder if Jun ever had survivor guilt

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Most likely

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there may be lore on it, I know he has extended lore as an instructor for Spartan IV's doesn't he?

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Yeah

He's even mentioned in Infinite MP by that girl announcer

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They do have feelings, they just bury them deep. I am certain Carter/Kat was more than comrades if even never expressed. The way he stood up to Halsey for her

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My personal head Canon, idk if this true, but I like to believe in the map "Live Fire" that the spartan 3 mural is Noble 6

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Kat's death hit hard. Ended up hitting about like Jorge's.

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the piano music as Carter carries her body and they look at the ruins of the city is an amazing scene

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It absolutely is. That entire scene was just [chef kiss]

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I think that's when they really realise none of them are getting off Reach

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And having it all wrap up with you deciding to not get on the aircraft, and go out on Reach too... Halo 2 is my favorite, but Reach is a close second.

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I just did my most recent run, finished it last night and that moment when 6 refuses to get on the pelican is horrible lol

you feel so alone at that point

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Yeah. It just hits. Reach has so many amazing moments, and they all hit slightly different every time.

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Absolutely

I think it's my favourite in the series

hard to say

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I'm partial to Halo 2 because it was my introduction to the 'verse. Nostalgia is definitely a factor.

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That's pretty cool, I need to look into that mural. Is Jun the ONLY surviving III?

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That always hits different indeed, nostalgia! As I am old, CE was mine. I still remember my friend showing me it, I saved up and got an XBOX for it

true platform seller

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Absolutely!

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I also loved the Arbiter sections in 2, I know lots complained but that really fleshed out the Covenant

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That's another reason why I love 2.

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even the opening cutscene was mindblowing!

you never expected to see things from their perspective and the Covenants machinations like that

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It was so good

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I had the Halo 2 steelbook collectors edition, the manual was from the Covenant perspective

first time reading the Covenant names for the species

I've never gotten over how weird the Hunters are lol

almost as weird as the flood

"Mgalekgolo" I can never remember how to spell that

I was watching a lore channel the other day, after a recent deep dive back into the lore, and the first time I heard the Primordial theory; you all aware of that?

That it may have said the Flood simply are the Precursors and not corrupted

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Oooh

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and that they seed life for it to eventually be consumed, and the universe which the Precursors considered a kind of lifeform, assimilates and benefits from the knowledge and sentience

really spins everything on its head if true

the theory being the Forerunners found out about this, hence the Precursor genocide

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I like that theory.