lore-and-universe

[stoic hamlet]

With a lot of 343’s stuff, it’s a case of “just because you can, doesn’t mean you should”.

[empty bloom]

Like that stupid motorcycle collab?

(Nah it's actually kinda cool but it feels tone-deaf)

[stoic hamlet]

That’s a lot of stuff in halo, tbf.

It’s there because it “needs to be”, but because it needs to be.

Well, most franchises nowadays.

[empty bloom]

I will die on the hill of the starfighting game being something that should've been there.

[unique rune]

Starfighter not being real will always make me sad

[stoic hamlet]

Agreed.

[prisma sierra]

Having to wait 4-5 years just to know what happened to the rest of the Infinity's crew

Maybe they won't even show

[empty bloom]

Honestly? I feel like they won't show.

[prisma sierra]

Please don't kill Lasky

[stoic hamlet]

Screw infinity.

What about the rest of the galaxy?

[prisma sierra]

BOOOOOOKS

[empty bloom]

Uh, sorry, all on Venezia.

[unique rune]

God I can't wait for Halo 7 to resolve the Banished and Endless conflict offscreen so we can fight some other Covenant remnant we're only hearing about for the first time but are somehow threatening the entire galaxy

[prisma sierra]

Almost every Halo game has one Spartan and it's usually Chief

[empty bloom]

"Gee Trenchbird why do you hate Chief so much"

[stoic hamlet]

See, get rid of the “galaxy ending thing” and that’s not a bad idea.

Halo needs to go smaller scale, not bigger.

[empty bloom]

There is literally

[stoic hamlet]

If the original trilogy was WA2, then everything past that should have been the Cold War.

[empty bloom]

An entire damn region of space

[stoic hamlet]

But like… it isn’t.

[empty bloom]

Where elites and spartans and ODSTs work side by side.

Doing cool frontier crap.

[stoic hamlet]

That too, yeah.

[empty bloom]

AND NOBODY TALKS ABOUT IT

[stoic hamlet]

Halo has enough space for a ton of potential side games, stories, etc, that have nothing to do with the end of the world.

[prisma sierra]

I would want a game where you can crush anti UEG rebellions

[unique rune]

I see you enjoy the taste of boots

[empty bloom]

I mean, it's not like the UNSC is the COG.

If I had a nickel for every time Microsoft had the protag faction be actual or considered goosestepper types, I'd have two nickels.

Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice

[prisma sierra]

Hate how the UNSC was rebuilding after the HCW only for that to end after one game

The entire galaxy is now the same story of a Guardian showing up if you fire a weapon

[unique rune]

I mean. That wasn't really the case.

The media we did get in between 5 and Infinite makes it pretty clear that the Created were still spread thin and would only respond with a Guardian if they had reason to believe a major conflict was going on or about to start. Something that easily could be explained in a game if they had actually made a sequel to Halo 5.

[prisma sierra]

And all we get are books. Which is great. But we know that Cortana can hear from literally any piece of technology

I liked Outcasts because it was Thel and a Spartan. We need more Elite and Human team ups.

[empty bloom]

I still love how that book showcased what makes a Spartan better than an ODST without actually having the two fight eachother.

[prisma sierra]

The ODSTs are canon fodder as always. Like 800 of them died before reaching the planet. Then rest all get crushed by stranded elites

[empty bloom]

I do still think that number was... Very extreme.

The ship they launched from can't even carry that many Pelicans.

[stoic hamlet]

It also had the ODST’s get a few “wins” against Vale as well. Armour and augmentations don’t mean much next to experience.

[carmine sleet]

I hope we see that Elite again at some point

[carmine sleet]

The wait this time is not the fault of 343i, there's been countless things that have happened in the past few years that has meant they weren't able to continue the story

[prisma sierra]

Infinite was released during the peak of COVID. I am jealous of other game franchises that release a game every 2-3 years

Battlefield and COD probably has more funding though

[carmine sleet]

Covid isn't the issue I'm talking about, I'm talking about hiring freezes and contracts not being renewed and layoffs and people with no clue making decisions that affect the people that actually do know how to make games

[last anchor]

That's an endemic issue for gaming rn

[carmine sleet]

Indeed

And I wish I could say I didn't know how it feels first hand but alas, I was one of the many who got laid off last year

[stoic hamlet]

The world, really.

Not just gaming.

[stoic hamlet]

Well, they can do that because it’s not one studio working on CoD. It’s three or four, from memory.

And they basically rotate every year. So while you’re seeing a COD game every year (to debatable quality) the dev cycles are pretty average fare for a game like that with about 2/3 years to work on them.

[empty bloom]

Each of those studios is also larger than 343 and has additional small studios providing extra support.

Larger than 343 pre-post-Infinite gutting, mind.

And if I'm not mistaken, each of those studios also has more permanent party personnel by percentage.

[carmine sleet]

It's rare these days for a single studio to be behind a AAA game, Infinite has a few studios supporting 343 during development. Wouldn't surprise me if the same happens for the next game

[empty bloom]

Yeah, Infinite had about 7 support studios, each of which provided something.

... Weirdly, Halo 5's only listed as having two-Skybox Labs (PC Port for the Forge) and Liquid Development.

[woven plaza]

for infinite we had:

• 343 (duh)
• Skybox Labs (the GOATs)
• Certain Affinity
• Sperasoft
• The Coalition
• Axis Studios (cutscenes)
  and probably some others

[zealous pecan]

What do u think it was like being someone in high charity after the forerunner ship left and the people in there were left for themself with the flood

[stoic hamlet]

Not a fun time.

[empty bloom]

Chaos. Darkness. Panic. Screaming. Gunfire. Desperation.

Even escape wouldn't be a solace, stuck in a debris field of the thinking, living dead, that just want to embrace you.

Not exactly a fun picture.

[prisma sierra]

Absolutely no sympathy for covie scum

[wispy pewter]

im jealous

COD is literally microsoft as well

[empty bloom]

It wasn't before but still had that structure and made bank off it.

Frankly, if you're churning out games cyclically like that, you're basically setting an impossible standard for other games to beat by sheer volume, and to make matters worse, CoD's team is pretty damn high effort on the asset and animation front, which results in a more presentable overall package.

[wispy pewter]

no matter how bad people say Cod infinite warfare was the campaign was goood

so sad no Halo 7 official news

[empty bloom]

It was literally one of the single most comically predictable and bland plots I've ever played.

Good set pieces, though, so I can see how it tricked a lot of kids into thinking the story was actually worth the price.

[unique rune]

I don't remember much about it other than only ever having to wallrun like once

And I guess flying the plane was kind of fun

[wispy pewter]

Jon Snow played a villian in the game

people hate on futurisitic COD but I enjoyed Advanced Warfare a lot. Kevin Spacey 💀

you know what Halo needs? a popular actor

the closest is the rookie cop dude

[unique rune]

Admiral Hood is literally played by Ron Perlman.
Thel 'Vadam is played by Keith David.

The Gravemind's voice performance was done by Dee Bradley Baker, Travis Willingham and Laura Bailey both have respectable careers as voice actors as well.

Really not sure what your standards are for "popular actor" but Halo's voice cast isn't just a bunch of nobodies.

And somehow I completely forgot all of Alpha-Nine being played by Firefly cast members.

[wispy pewter]

o

[empty bloom]

Basically, everyone involved in the plot was a complete idiot, major plot developments are basically "And now this is happening!" with no connection, a great deal of sacrifices and such feel unearned.

The robot is easily the best character in the story by virtue of actually having the least robotic acting.

[unique rune]

Oh yeaaahhhh
Ethan was fun

[empty bloom]

The entire UN Navy gets wiped because of one insider threat, who... 'takes care of the loose end' near the climax of the campaign, on his own, despite literally having the player character at their mercy.

The player character in question wearing power armor and getting knocked out by a wooden door.

[unique rune]

I’m kinda glad I don’t remember much of it lol

[last anchor]

This is why it needs a rerelease and a resetting in Halo as the Interplanetary War.
replace the entire "final assault" bit on Mars with the proto-ODST drop

[wispy pewter]

Ethan is why I want robots in Halo

like Chappie as well

[empty bloom]

I'm cursed with remembering that game horribly well despite only playing through the campaign once.

[unique rune]

That bad, huh

[empty bloom]

I think it's because every level had me finding something new to hate.

From the subtle-as-a-sledgehammer-to-the-jaw dialogue to the comically stupid evil Mars forces

Like, it's a game that was more about looking cool than making sense, and even then it ripped off Blacklight Retribution to do it.

[wispy pewter]

weird how the UNSC doesnt use drones

I hope for advanced warfare 2 someday

[empty bloom]

They do. They use them abundantly.

Cutting edge loitering munitions, Wombat UAVs, repair and support drones, etc etc

[unique rune]

Sometimes I get the feeling you've never played a Halo game

Or at least bothered to pay attention while doing so

[last anchor]

I remember Blacklight Retribution. That was supposed to be HUGE wasnt it?
Like MAG, and Medal of Honor...ha.
I remember Machinima doing adds for them.

[empty bloom]

I'm barely convinced most people who say they hate Halo 4/5 have ever actually played 4 or 5, so.

[last anchor]

Honestly people hating something they havent tried does not seem all that unlikely

[empty bloom]

I see an inordinate amount of takes along the lines of "I thought it was okay until (youtuber)" or "I got so bored that I quit halfway through"

[carmine sleet]

Why you reducing Nathan Fillion down to just that? He's done so many fun roles outside of just that

[prisma sierra]

Can't wait to see him in a green lantern costume lol

[jade cape]

having finished the Kilo-5 trilogy I can confidently say B.B. is my favorite A.I. in all of Halo

might’ve been my favorite character out of that entire trilogy tbh

[carmine sleet]

If you want more Black Box, I recommend listening to Hunt the Truth

[jade cape]

where can I find it?

[carmine sleet]

Soundcloud, for free

I also always forget how good of a cast it had

[jade cape]

how am I just now finding out that Peter Serafinowicz voiced BB

that is absolutely perfect casting

[prisma sierra]

Black Box is actually blue

They should have killed off Ash or Olivia instead of Mark 😭

[carmine sleet]

I was gonna mention that specific casting but thought it best to leave it as a surprise

But just you wait, there's someone else who will really surprise you

[hollow sentinel]

hey guys why did the heretic covenant armor have distinct breathing things? is there a lore reason or is it just how they decided to design them lol
and was the covenant heretic "clan" actually big enough to manufacture their own armor and vehicles like that? pretty impressive

[amber solstice]

@empty bloom

[carmine sleet]

Their armour is repurposed equipment meant for use by artefact hunters within the Covenant. The breathing apparatus they used was for the environment they were in

[orchid kettle]

I think the idea is that its just what workers in the gas mine wear

[carmine sleet]

And yes, you can question why the Covenant strike team sent in to eliminate them weren't given specialised breathing apparatus

[hollow sentinel]

oh fair, makes sense

[hollow sentinel]

also yeah they probs wanted arbiter to die

the brutes weren't with them either

[carmine sleet]

Not just Arbiter not using any breathing apparatus

[hollow sentinel]

yeah i know, shipmaster too

and the other guiz

would they want to kill shipmaster?

[orchid kettle]

Maybe, supposedly Truth's been working on the Brutes usurping the Elites' position for a while now

[carmine sleet]

It's most likely just an oversight on the part of the devs and not got any lore reason in this specific context

Because it'd be odd if you were sending in the best of the best to a hazardous environment without the equipment needed to survive and that somehow not tip them off you're planning on replacing them

[orchid kettle]

As evident by the Brutes turning on the Elites early in New Mombasa, and the Shadow of Intent novella states that the Prelates were training Brutes behind the scenes, grooming them for command

[hollow sentinel]

who's the prelates? i need to look that up

[carmine sleet]

Prophet Super Soldiers

[orchid kettle]

Special San Shyuum bois who got augmented and trained to be warriors

[hollow sentinel]

oooh damn they look cool
basically spartan elites?

[orchid kettle]

and their absence is explained by them mainly training Brutes in secret-- and then almost all dying when High Charity got Flooded

[carmine sleet]

No because they were Prophets, not Elites

[hollow sentinel]

oh god lol yeah

for some reason i didnt process that

[orchid kettle]

Prophets, actually. Shadow of Intent is full of characters who break convention

From a giant Grunt that leads Elite Rangers into combat to a female Elite warrior in a culture that doesn't allow women to fight in the military

[hollow sentinel]

is there still a society of san shyuum? i thought they all died

i thought the prophets were like the last of their kind

i guess the soldiers have to come from somewhere?

[empty bloom]

Alas, busy day for me today.

Slipstream handled it so it's AG tho.

[carmine sleet]

The remaining ones are in hiding

[orchid kettle]

Prophets were never the last, the ones we see are just a radical offshoot that escaped their planet with the Dreadnought

[carmine sleet]

Stolt my beloved!! And don't forget that Tul is in part why Sangheili women are allowed to fight in the Swords of Sanghelios

[orchid kettle]

There's still a whole planet of them

[amber solstice]

That meme has been the picture in my head of when I can tell you're ramping up, so it was still good to finally realize that dream.

[hollow sentinel]

didn't the san shyuum fight the elites in a big war?

was that whole war a little portion of the planet then?

[carmine sleet]

That was long before the Human-Covenant War

[orchid kettle]

The Dreadnought alone allowed them to fight the Elites to a stand still

but they lacked in all other areas

And the resolution to the conflict was the Writ of Union, which established the Covenant

but before Broken Circle, another book, the location of the San Shyuum homeworld was lost

so the Prophets are all descended from the handful of radicals that originally launched themselves into space

[prisma sierra]

Didn't the didact kill all the Prophet species on their home world

Unless his wife repopulated them

[carmine sleet]

If the Didact wiped them out, he did a bad job at it given they founded an empire millennia later

[prisma sierra]

That's weird. What is up with Epitaph saying Didact did some war crimes against them

[carmine sleet]

War crimes includes allot more than just wiping an entire species

[prisma sierra]

I see. Since the Didact has kicked Cortana out of the domain and all that, what is Empty Throne even going to be about.

[carmine sleet]

Pretty sure that's not about Cortana not having access to the Domain

[stoic hamlet]

It’s a concurrent narrative to the opening battle on Zeta Halo.

So, aside from that, and what we know of the synopsis, who can say.

[drowsy mesa]

That was Faber, not the Didact

[drowsy mesa]

Another UNSC vs Banished conflict, with Banished winning it

[prisma sierra]

Yay to the first part. Nay to the last part

[drowsy mesa]

Why not? I thought it was rule in the new Halo lore: Banished must be superior to every other faction except against the Spirit of Fire and Master Chief

[empty bloom]

I just checked it, what he said is true, like 100%, it's all true

[unique rune]

big if true

[prisma sierra]

Because they are aliens and worse of all the monkey ones

[unique rune]

cope

[prisma sierra]

Says a Brute

[carmine sleet]

Brutes are more than just savages who kill, not all Brutes are part of the Banished

[prisma sierra]

Nah. We have never seen a good Brute, unless I'm mistaken. We have seen Unggoy and Elites living with hoomans

Even the Kig Yar trades with humans post hcw

[carmine sleet]

So you're assuming that based on the fact that we've mainly seen Brutes fighting against the protagonists in most stories which feature them, that all Brutes are evil

[prisma sierra]

I mean the way they are described killing humans and hating them... Yeah

I think only Castor was chill with humans in the banished

There's already a banished Spartan and I hate that Idea so much. Traitors

[stoic hamlet]

I mean, Lydus and Maccabus seemed pretty good, all things considered.

[unique rune]

I think we already had this argument like a month ago lol

[stoic hamlet]

So a typical Halo argument.

[orchid kettle]

In the one Maccabeus POV chapter we get, we see that he's not really bothered at the prospect of genociding the humans-- he's just having a crisis of faith because he's being told to also destroy the "Oracle" in the process.

Personally I don't mind Brutes being naughty, but I do prefer it if their one saving grace is that they really do love their packs/family

Its just that very rarely does that love and compassion spread to anything else

[stoic hamlet]

Well, we get a few POV’s of his.

Overall, for a brute, he’s pretty even tempered. Able to control his rage and, had that crisis of faith not occurred, he would have probably eagerly welcomed humanity into fold.

And, I mean, if we’re using that as our basis, then many of what people would consider “good” characters don’t make the cut, like Thel, John (to an extent), etc.

[orchid kettle]

Even John had the tiniest hint of doubt when he was killing unarmed Covenant civilian workers in Silent Storm

and we know he regrets how noncombatants got caught up in the Watts abduction mission, enough so apparently to consider the mission a failure

[stoic hamlet]

Like, using Spacewaffles criteria, no Covenant character regardless of race fits the bill, because they all abetted and assisted with genocide in some way. If they were part of the Covenant military then they were complicit, and our big rebellion at the end of the war only occurred because the Brutes struck first, it had nothing to do with not genociding humanity.

Really though, my point is that “good” is relative.

[orchid kettle]

Sure, but I feel you could argue that any Brute in his position would feel similarly

Ya know, they're just following orders, nothing personal against the humans because they don't know anything about them

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah which is my point.

“Feeling bad” doesn’t absolve someone of the action. They still carried it out.

So the criteria can’t be so basic.

[orchid kettle]

But in the context of Contact Harvest, we are supposed to consider the contrast between how Maccabeus and even Dabad initially reacts to the order, versus how Lighter Than Some is clearly outraged enough to help the humans instead

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah, of course. LTS (well, all Covenant characters) are there to showcase some aspect of the religion/religious values in general.

You have the ones who just use it for profit but who don’t believe.

The ones who use it for power but don’t believe.

The ones who believe in a more pacifist mindset.

The ones who are more moderate.

And then the fire and brimstone type… though I would consider Maccabeus to be in the moderate camp myself. I’m honestly not sure there are any fire and brimstone in CH. maybe Mercy, I suppose.

[orchid kettle]

What's probably a little weird is how Atriox's backstory sounds like the origin story of a hero

The dude's whole thing is freedom to decide your fate and racism is bad

But also he kills people, so a villain he be.

[carmine sleet]

To be fair, he is a soldier and warlord

I think it's less he's someone with great beliefs but shown killing so that means he's bad and more that he simply doesn't care for petty squabbles between different aliens when it comes to what he's after

[orchid kettle]

Im curious if the point is that he is a hypocrite

He may not care about the interspecies rivalry with the Sangheili, but sure is strange how the Unggoy are "conscripts"

He may think everyone should be the master of their own destiny, but when you kill them, it sure sounds like you decided their fate

[high elbow]

What is Atriox’s goal anyway? Is he just chasing more power/Forerunner artifacts? Control the Halo Array? Or does he have a more secret plan in motion

[carmine sleet]

It's one that's shifted based on what's happening in the galaxy, back when the Covenant was around, it was survival, when it fell, it was to amass power within the vacuum left by the fall of the empire, then when Cortana destroyed Doisac, it was use a Halo as a new homeworld for his people

Which has me wondering, and I am sure I have asked about this before, but was it before or after Atriox went to the Ark when Doisac was destroyed?

Because like, the timeline surrounding that is unclear to me

[high elbow]

I mean, it has to be after right? Doesn’t the flashback where Cortana shows him the destruction of Doisac happen on the ring itself? It’s been awhile since I played the campaign though, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a hologram flashback

[empty bloom]

Because Spacewaffles is a typical Imperium fanboy type, this is established

[unique rune]

this is true

[empty bloom]

Apparently, despite being a perfect explanation for why he even goes to the Ark, no. The destruction of Doisac happens around when he gets the Guardian killing superweapon.

The actual timeline is

• Ark
• Reach
• Doisac
• Superweapon
• Zeta

But the sensible chain should be

• Doisac
• Ark
• Reach
• Superweapon
• Zeta

I was really confused and irritated by it the first time because, as a chain, it makes more sense for Doisac to be the last straw for Atriox to make up his mind about going to the Ark and killing Cortana. It's a hell of a gamble to slow boat to the Ark and not something anyone should lightly do.

But as it stands, we still have absolutely zero idea on why Atriox even decided the Ark trip was a good idea, he just seems to have decided it.

[carmine sleet]

Agreed it should be before Ark

[empty bloom]

I tend to get bothered by 343i's story team because there's little nitpicks like this that always get on my nerves.

It's like the insistence on Palmer being a Corporal before she became a Spartan.

[carmine sleet]

Also like, it's not like Cortana couldn't have quickly contacted Atriox to negotiate with him soon after the end of Halo 5

[empty bloom]

When there's a narrative scruple about her being an LT, it makes more sense to say she was an LT and the corporal rank was in error; It provides better backing on her character's modern role. But the insistence that the Corporal is the correct rank satisfies nobody but the original writer of that lore.

[empty bloom]

If he took over all of Doisac? Absolutely.

I mean, I'm still super pissed that they went with her DEATH STARRING a planet

[carmine sleet]

If anything, it would make lots of sense if Cortana was going about and attempted to negotiate as to not need to use a show of force

[empty bloom]

Because it does not fit her 5 era MO at all

[carmine sleet]

I wish she at least used X50 or a similar facility that she moved via slipspace instead of a bunch of Guardians. At least with X50, it's a slow death to the planet it's used on

[empty bloom]

Or even just. Y'know. Burn cities or something.

[drowsy mesa]

It's
Ark - Reach - Doisac - Superweapon - Zeta Halo

[empty bloom]

I said that.

Like, that is literally the first chain I stated.

[drowsy mesa]

Upss, read wrong
I though you mixed Doisac and Netherop xD

[empty bloom]

Mmmn.

[drowsy mesa]

My bad 🤣

[empty bloom]

AG.

[carmine sleet]

Yeah that also works

[empty bloom]

But yeah-it rankles me from a storytelling standpoint because we still don't know why Atriox went 'screw it, we'll go to the Ark and mess with some scientists'

[carmine sleet]

He decided to do a silly

[empty bloom]

And like, you can kinda read between the lines (They wanted it because... Power I guess?), but that's such an annoyingly nothing answer.

[carmine sleet]

Aye, like what happens after he has control of the Ark?

Is he gonna go "Look at me, I'm at the Ark, I have a gun pointed at the head of the universe. If you attack me, I'll use a human to fire the rings!"

[empty bloom]

It's almost as though Halo Wars 2 actually has a really flimsy story and isn't the best launch point for an attempted narrative rekindling

[carmine sleet]

At least with the motivation of Doisac being destroyed first, the idea of being able to threaten anyone with a Halo makes more sense, he's threatening to do what was done to his people to those who oppose him

It doesn't make him right but it fits better logically

[empty bloom]

Guh.

If I had a nickel for every time they had a weird absentee writer problem in a favored sci fi franchise of mine that resulted in a really poor first-foot-going-forward for a new narrative epoch, I'd have two nickels.

Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that Battletech and Halo both did it.

(Course, Battletech's was caused by a woke-phobic writer going full turbo mask-off and taking it out on his writing by writing massive rants about how the Confederates were right, but conversely I feel Halo's was actually caused by executive meddling and ensuing narrative panic)

[carmine sleet]

Honestly, yeah, I wish Halo Wars 2 didn't feel like it had stuff cut from it's base game story

Like, Cutter just keeps getting wins against the Banished without anything really slowing him down

Can't help but wonder if there was something in the middle that got cut in development

[obsidian thistle]

I'll always say Halo Wars 2 has an ending problem.

It sets stuff up. And never decides to end most of it

Its initial mystery of "who sent the SoF crew to the Ark" is never answered for example

[unique rune]

Yeah, I was gonna say it feels a lot like the beginning of a story that doesn’t really go anywhere

[obsidian thistle]

Dont get me wrong

I adore Halo Wars 2

Flaws and all

But I'll never say that isnt its biggest issue

[carmine sleet]

Aye, and I'd be fine if some stuff was paid off in the game. But alas

Like, at least who brought the Spirit of Fire to the Ark. I know we discussed who it couldn't be here a month or so ago

[obsidian thistle]

And I get it to an extent. You want players to play Multiplayer in HW2 for ages

But when you are told MP is non-canon.

That kinda puts a hamper on it

[unique rune]

I always thought the non-canon aspect was a super weird choice

Just call it a strategy simulator or something

[obsidian thistle]

The funny thing is Halo Wars 2 actually mentions War Games in one phoenix log

So it was set up

[last anchor]

Is that what set Mage and the other guys off when that one writer got let go

[prisma sierra]

SoF better than Infinity confirmed

[obsidian thistle]

SoF wasnt battered for nearly a whole year, losing most of its competent staff, and getting civilians.

[prisma sierra]

You're right Infinity just had the most advanced weaponry and technology humanity has ever created, 300 or more Spartans and somehow got destroyed. I hate 343 for that forever

[unique rune]

Spirit of Fire also just has bonkers plot armor because Atriox never just had the Conviction blow it out of the sky for whatever reason

[prisma sierra]

Same infinity that can emergency slipspace without power btw

But still got boarded and crushed

[unique rune]

I mean, it was caught off guard by Banished dreadnoughts, several of which were on a collision course with it

Jumping to slipspace with another warship lodged inside you isn't going to do any favors for anyone

[obsidian thistle]

Infinity is also a bigger beast, losing half its experienced crew, and making up for it with civilians.

I'd like to see civilians deal with the outcome of the Banished trying to get in.

(Also the SoF was severely underestimated)

[prisma sierra]

Rubicon Protocol did. Browning got his butt saved by some Spartan

[unique rune]

Lucas Browning was a combat medic, not a civilian

And for that matter there's only so much that a limited number of Spartans can do to make a difference on a sinking ship

[obsidian thistle]

We saw how the Pilot reacted fyi

Or at least the outcome of that

Imagine that but with a lot more and less routes to escape

[prisma sierra]

I feel like it's pretty ballsy to board a ship with 300 "demons". But Atriox was there

[obsidian thistle]

But ultimately, Infinity wasnt in a good position prior to Halo Infinite.

[unique rune]

They literally rammed like two of what were essentially warship-sized gravity hammers into the Infinity, it wasn't just any boarding action

Everyone onboard would've been in disarray and scrambling to evacuate and fight off boarders without getting crushed by debris and bulkheads

[prisma sierra]

They were probably waiting for the Infinity huh...

[unique rune]

...Were you even paying attention during Infinite's campaign???

Of course they were waiting for Infinity, that's what you do during an ambush

[empty bloom]

Mage?

[last anchor]

Mage Leader. Mid level youtuber

Got super mad about them firing this guy

[last anchor]

People seem to forget Atriox literally yeeted those ships too. Like, "oh they're built for ramming they're fine"

No. Those ships are gone. Atriox paid for the Infinitys fall with thousands of Brutes

Just straight up threw the crews away with the ships

[empty bloom]

Ah. Yeah, Pardoe was the kicked lad.

[molten pawn]

Doea anyone remember the only other Spartan who had the same weapons master title, of a similar level as Chief, but whose name is Jack, specifically good with knives, I know the YouTuber who said it but can't find it in his videos

[empty bloom]

No Spartan exists with that criteria in canon.

Someone's fanon, or they don't know who Fred is or what Fred's name is.

[last anchor]

Fred is and always has been the knife guy

[empty bloom]

Which is weird, because he literally just played with a knife once to start with.

[ruby canopy]

I'd say Li was the best in hand to hand combat

Fred is gonna have to take 2nd in this one

[carmine sleet]

I can't wait for someone to go "But that's not very nice, they should've allowed the Infinity to get ready before attacking them"

[prisma sierra]

Pretty sure that's what happened because I'm pretty sure you can't actually know where the exact place the Infinity would drop out of slipspace...right

[carmine sleet]

That isn't what happened, Infinity was ambushed by Banished forces

[unique rune]

Slipspace can be monitored to track things coming through and predict where they’ll exit.

Human tech for that during the war was a bit lacking in fidelity but I’d imagine equivalent Covenant systems and their derivatives would be better at that.

[carmine sleet]

Aye, and since Atriox and the Banished is known for plundering old Covenant tech and making improvements, it'd be surprising if they didn't have that kind of tech

[prisma sierra]

Sensors must be down to be able to be ambushed in space

But they probably met an entire Banished armada orbiting the ring

[last anchor]

Thats exactly what happened. They didnt know the Banished were there already.
Atriox just showed up before and went "oh hey, the Infinity's here...YEET"
And threw five of his ships at it.

And then Cortana dabbed out, blew him up (I guess?) and yeeted Zeta Halo through slipspace.

[carmine sleet]

I think the goal was less Cortana trying to kill Atriox specifically and more just disabling the Halo, if it killed him, that was a bonus

[empty bloom]

Realistically, you'd be able to detect the incoming physical signature of something the Infinity's size before it really got there.

[tropic forge]

They can, or at least the Covenant could. It's how they got the UNSC The Heart of Midlothian.

[carmine sleet]

Aye and it's unlikely that technology was lost in the post war era

[prisma sierra]

Rip UNSC infinity I miss you

[hard lodge]

Did something happen to them?

[prisma sierra]

I believe the Infinity's pronouns are she/her

[woven plaza]

unfunny and unoriginal

[carmine sleet]

The Infinity was badly damaged, most likely destroyed at the start of Halo Infinite

[hard lodge]

Ahh okay I thought you were talking about the clan lmao, wasn’t the ship Infinity the one destroyed at the beginning of Infinite?

[carmine sleet]

Clan?

And yes, Infinity is the ship heavily damaged/destroyed at the start of Infinite

[gusty star]

Bro what☠️☠️☠️

[hard lodge]

Yes there’s an Infinite Halo Clan (Group of people) called infinity

[gusty star]

I understand that, I’m just astounded that that’s what your mind went to first

[empty bloom]

I mean, it is nautically correct I suppose.

[woven plaza]

considering the Communiteh®, i am disinclined to have good faith

[hard lodge]

To be honest, I didn’t even see the name of the category lmao, it was the first channel that opened when I loaded up the server

[empty bloom]

Mhmm.

[upbeat fiber]

make a new halo

ill be good

[carmine sleet]

They're making one but we don't know much about it

[upbeat fiber]

yeah i know

i just hope it doesn't get cancelled

[tight vale]

I hope it doesn’t add extra storyline like re remake

[upbeat fiber]

ye

[carmine sleet]

How would they add an extra storyline to a new game they haven't made yet?

[tight vale]

By making a reboot with an extra storyline?

[carmine sleet]

And your proof they're making a reboot is what? That companies unrelated to 343i have done so in the past?

[tight vale]

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/report-microsoft-is-considering-bringing-its-flagship-xbox-ip-to-playstation-for-the-first-time

[carmine sleet]

So based on hearsay and rumour

[tight vale]

^

[tight vale]

if theyre rebooting ce I hope they dont add extra storyline like the RE remake.

[stoic hamlet]

There’s only a single source that says we’re getting a reboot but they haven’t actually given any sources themselves. For all intents and purposes there is no CE reboot, even if one is being made.

[carmine sleet]

Me saying 343i are making a new game is not me somehow confirming they're making a CE remake

[carmine sleet]

And repeating what you already said isn't going to convince me

[tight vale]

IF they reboot CE

[tight vale]

I never even said they’re doing a reboot all I said IF they do I hope they don’t add an extra storyline.

Why’s that hard to understand?

I literally said the exact same thing in my first statement

Did you even read what I said?

[woven plaza]

if 343 releases an experimental walking simulator called Halo: Fall of The Risen, it should have 8.2 Channel Surround Sound audio and a dubstep soundtrack

[tight vale]

saying I hope something doesn't happen isnt confermation it will happen

[vivid umbra]

Yeah, it's in canon limbo along with a million other things.

[prisma sierra]

Anyone knows what's the biggest thing humanity has ever created

[tired peak]

What was hasleys reactions on captin keys death?

[tired peak]

INFINITY

[little stone]

Or Miranda's death too

[tired peak]

O I forgot bout her LoL

Her death was very emphasizesed as much as it should of been

Wasnt*

[little stone]

It was too much for her to handle

[tired peak]

He probably dose

You seen how he reacted in halo 5

As weird as it it... it's probably true

[pearl shale]

Anyone know what anvil is? Other than something about elite/banished themed armor

[carmine sleet]

Anvil Station, it's the site of a joint training facility for the UNSC and Swords of Sanghelios

It dates back to the cancelled Halo Online and MCC had an update themed around it a few years back

[prisma sierra]

That's cool

Wonder what would be in the operation

[carmine sleet]

Armour pieces and spartan points

[prisma sierra]

The Mirage core only has like 3 stuff

Since now Cortana is dead and the guardians are destroyed, the UNSC can finally rebuild

[carmine sleet]

Cortana isn't the reason why that core has less exclusive items compared to the other cores

[amber solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/korg-foundation-foundations-ragnarok-thor-gif-22890793

[prisma sierra]

Nah... Human supremecy fr. I am racist

[empty bloom]

That's dumb.

[carmine sleet]

Agreed, no one species should be seen as superior to others

[prisma sierra]

Except the jiralhanae is a backwards society that likes to fight and fight and dominate.

The Elites didn't have medics until Thel copied the UNSC

It seems many species never went through an enlightenment period. Must be hard considering they were under the covenant empire.

[empty bloom]

Humanity had a similar philosophy at one point and arguably still does in large swaths of the world.

[empty bloom]

Humanity has had many glaring societal flaws such as this for centuries that have gone unaddressed.

[empty bloom]

From some point in the future we'll undoubtedly view now as this in the future.

[carmine sleet]

It's untrue that Elites didn't have any medical knowledge until the modern SoS was formed. And honestly, I want to see more alien doctors in Halo

[last anchor]

They had medical stuff they were just dumb (and manouvered by the San'Shyuum presumably)

Actually come to think of it didnt they literally have something about like "underground doctors"?
(Also presumably the civilians back home would need some kind of medical treatment)

[unborn patrol]

they just left the wounded to die?

not surprised if true

[tired peak]

And the one doctor they had got it's neck shaped because it was treated a grunt with a punctred lung instead of a elite with a broken ankle

[spark pivot]

Yes

The elites lost most of their technical and medical knowledge once they joined with the prophets

And cultural stigma didnt help

[unborn patrol]

yeah they seem a bit strange about fixing things. like supposedly that one elite from banished with the robotic arm is looked down up on by sangheili because of the arm

they really just expect him to raw dog it with one arm

[spark pivot]

Yes

[unborn patrol]

its like they just go "whatever happened to you it is final"

[prisma sierra]

Or just die with "honor"

[orchid kettle]

I always felt like it was a mistake to make the Sangheili the way they are

They're a "warrior race" but also hate the idea of wounds and scars

Im sure it's also a bit culturally insensitive how often they commit seppuku in Cole Protocol

It's almost to a comedic degree, where seemingly the slightest mistake can only be rectified with your life

Begging the question of how any Sangheili actually manages to survive more than a couple weeks in the Covenant military

[unborn patrol]

lots of pride on these fellas

[prisma sierra]

This is why I hate warrior races in sci fi

[unborn patrol]

idk I get it to a degree

its an extreme imperialist japan kind of deal

I wonder if the pride and hubris of them became worse in the covenant

[carmine sleet]

I imagine the Prophets likely stoked that side of the culture to try and make them more loyal

"If you kill this many of our enemies, you will be allowed on the Great Journey even after death" or something along those lines

[unborn patrol]

yeah

and in general missions greater than yourself tend to make people extreme

[empty bloom]

OTOH, it does seem it's less 'don't get injured' and more 'don't show a response to injury' now.

The aversion to prosthetics and such also apparently isn't that universal, as prosthetic eyes and such are at least known to not be universally hated. Getting a prosthetic limb doesn't seem to be a completely insurmountable faux pas.

[unborn patrol]

it ties in well with the shipmaster having lost mandables but not getting prosthetics in place

would probably lose face if he did

Im just imagining the ideal alpha male in sangheili society missing limbs and stuff and being all casual about it

[empty bloom]

One of the Sangheili in outcasts basically spends half the book ignoring a Spartan inflicted compound fracture because if he paid attention it'd lend a damning to his injury.

[unborn patrol]

is there any concrete lore on when headhunter teams began popping up? I cant find anything on when they started training or were fielded

[prisma sierra]

It's weird the second Kilo 5 book mentions that the Infinity could rival forerunner ships. I wonder how true that statement is

It's also said it's superior to any Covenant ship even pre HCW

But I'm pretty sure there's a Covie ship thats like 28 kilometers long lmao

[carmine sleet]

Size isn't everything

[unborn patrol]

28km sound hyperbole

idk how big the covenant city ship is tho

[prisma sierra]

High Charity? I think it's bigger than our moon

[prisma sierra]

Hehe I agree 👍

[carmine sleet]

You're the one who was using the size of a Covenant ship as a measurement of how powerful a ship was

[prisma sierra]

But then you made a compelling argument. I doubt even a big ship like that would stop 4 series 8 Macs

[carmine sleet]

If you mean High Charity
Diameter: 348 kilometres
Height: 505 kilometres

[empty bloom]

I'd imagine it could take on like, a corvette or something.

[unique rune]

more face than he’s already lost, at least

[unborn patrol]

[slender cedar]

For a Sangheili with half of his jaws, Shipmaster sure has the darn smoothest voice I've heard from an alien

[last anchor]

The jaws arent particuarly useful for shaping sound

[thorn ember]

That's probably how the UNSC translators hear them. Otherwise we'd be hearing wort noises.

[prisma sierra]

Wort wort wort

I wonder how female Sangheli sound

Do they sound like women or what

[carmine sleet]

Halo 5, Mahkee 'Chava, she's on the COMs throughout the Sanghelios portion of the game

[prisma sierra]

How I wish that game is on steam

[last anchor]

Watch a playthrougj

[sacred rain]

lads

are there yanmee in the banished at all and are there anyc oncrete examples of them

[tribal trench]

iirc after the Schism most of the yanme’e went off to live with their queens in independent colonies

[carmine sleet]

There was a hive that was almost recruited but they were being mind controlled and Atriox didn't like that so he killed the one who was mind controlling them, destroyed the device and let them all go

[empty bloom]

Also Atriox: 'I sure do love having grunt slaves'

[carmine sleet]

Yeah... He maybe should've been consistent with his whole "Those in the Banished are part of it of their own free will" thing

[empty bloom]

Meanwhile it seems like half of his most trusted warbands are dedicated slavers.

Up to and including a lovely pile of concept art of enslaved elite soldiers.

[prisma sierra]

I think it's just 343s fault in the inconsistency

[turbid wedge]

I just want to say that i'm not hating the show... I compared SDV class heavy corvette from the games And also from the show. there Are some Small changes.
Red: the corvette from the show has a little different top on front for example those ends on the bottom in the games Its just round. + On the inside we Have different interior And unique ship bridge And driving controls
Green: the Corvette in the show has different shape of the hangar doors.
Blue: the Corvette from the show Is little higher.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1191419906651066441/1256614573281378325/IMG_20240629_161621.jpg?ex=66816905&is=66801785&hm=46a983b39740f39595d3753232fa17e32c0d644f202a7d9b2e905c92049ad2b5&

[carmine sleet]

There's differences like this between what were originally meant as the same ship design but in different games, makes sense for models made 10 years apart to have differences, especially when one is a high-poly asset used in a TV show compared to the lower poly asset used within a level

Wouldn't surprise me if they decide to tell us that the TV show Corvette is a different pattern to the one from Reach

[turbid wedge]

well.. UNSC is still saying Covenant corvette so i dont know.

[prisma sierra]

It's funny to me how post HCW Sanghelios went back to a pitchfork civilization with ships they didn't know how to repair. It would have been so easy if ONI wanted to wipe them out

[carmine sleet]

That's because multiple Covenant ship patterns can be classed as a single type by UNSC

Like how there's multiple patterns that are all cruisers

For example the Zanar-pattern and the Varric-pattern

Granted those two have more visual differences than the Corvettes you were talking about but still

[unique rune]

Sometimes things are also just slightly different looking without any in-universe explanation

Like the changes made to 117’s Mark VI armor between 2 and 3

[carmine sleet]

Aye, that too

Just wish they made his armour more consistent between 2 and 3 when they made H2A

[empty bloom]

They literally explained in the trilogy why it would not have worked if they had tried it overtly.

And that was why they were trying to use grain.

[last anchor]

And the space-cow meat

[last anchor]

Plus occasionally Covenant ships will just...mutate during construction.
They aren't so much built as they are "grown" in assembly forges via nanotech swarms, assembled on an internalized level and then filled in with the usual Spaceship Stuff (tm) and sometimes it just...doesnt look exactly like its supposed too.
If its just a cosmetic thing the Covenant slapped a stamp on it and sent it out.

Even the Covenant doesnt follow the same organizational structure ONI did.

[carmine sleet]

Yeah but that goes against Spacewaffle's desperate attempts to try and be an edgy person who thinks that genocide against the Elites should have happened as soon as Truth was killed

[empty bloom]

I know. Because cringe edgelording is gonna continue no matter how much pesky knowledge of the actual franchise is thrown out.

[prisma sierra]

Just read through that part. So that's why they were feeding Jul...
And they call Halsey evil

[empty bloom]

She literally is.

[prisma sierra]

Kidnapping children for a super soldier program Vs genocide... I mean

The way they treated Thel was just mean

[stoic hamlet]

Thel tried to genocide them first~

Not saying it’s right, just devils advocating here

[prisma sierra]

Yeah hinge heads kinda deserve it but Thel at that point was an ally.

[empty bloom]

And a mortal ally.

[empty bloom]

Comparing evil acts like it matters who did what is how awful crimes get ignored.

Halsey did wrong. ONI did wrong. ONI does not have a monopoly on evil because what Halsey did was arguably less bad than what they did.

[stoic hamlet]

^^^^

Considering her actions in First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx, as well, she’s not exactly in a good spot even disregarding the Spartan program.

[kind locust]

How did Cortana talk to Master Cheeks in those snippets in halo 3

[empty bloom]

Basically, the Gravemind used 'neural physics' to interface with Chief through Cortana's subroutines, and attempt to mess with his head.

[kind locust]

hm. I was wondering why she sounded so cryptic

[empty bloom]

It's not super well done in 3, mostly because of how vague and weird it actually is.

[kind locust]

yeah i didnt really understand it for a long time

[empty bloom]

Storytelling isn't really 3's strong suite.

[kind locust]

eh, i like halo 3 story. doesnt top halo 2

i just found it odd

[strange pumice]

I think those Cortana messages look more like screamer
I am always scared off

[carmine sleet]

Don't forget it's also horrible for people who are sensitive to flashing lights. Easily the worst thing in Halo 3 for people like me

[empty bloom]

I'll be honest, I never actually thought about that as an issue, because, well, I don't have it. But it makes sense.

Wonder how the hell that got okayed.

[carmine sleet]

I have no clue

Like, I just have sensory issues, but I can't help but feel for anyone who potentially gets seizures

[empty bloom]

They don't even really add anything of value tbh.

Like-as much flak as Cortana got in 4 for her moments in that, at least they didn't get rid of that much player agency when they happened.

[carmine sleet]

Those were also significantly better in presentation too, didn't block the screen and flash loads of really bright lights

Heck, even accessing the Beacons in Mass Effect is less painful than the Cortana Moments in Halo 3

[empty bloom]

Honestly, I don't know what would be better for a hypothetical 3 remake-reworking them entirely, or removing them entirely.

I'm not sure they even really add much to 3's story.

[carmine sleet]

Aye, if they had to be kept, I'd present it similar to what was done with Cortana's rampancy in Halo 4

That's the idea I had when I wrote about it at uni

[obsidian thistle]

Fun reminder that while ultimately she never went for it. Class 2 was a thing till she was disappointed in the candidate pool.

Wasnt the ethical issues behind it, or knowing what happened to Class 1 "washouts/deaths". But what I said above.

[silk marten]

How many Missile/Gauss Warthogs would it take to take down a Scarab?

[prisma sierra]

I'm gonna assume a Gauss gun would do significant damage

[scarlet quiver]

One Gauss hog could shoot the knees to drop the scarab, then drive behind it. While it is down, shoot the shield in the back and further destroy the dingy (I forgot what it’s called).
Therefore, one hog, but two Spartans.

[unborn patrol]

Or one hog and one spartan if they really got that dog in em

[carmine sleet]

Or just two crazy marines

And their hog

[unborn patrol]

Or just on his own, the sith lord jar jar binks

[carmine sleet]

Well Darth Jar Jar is finally a thing (Thank you Lego for letting the team go nuts for once)

[last anchor]

Only if they're playing specific music.
Either Dukes of Hazard or that weird Mexican polka that RvB made famous

Though I suppose something from Initial D would work too tbh

[last anchor]

The component your thinking of is the Scarab's combined power supply and command/control core (basically a battery with a bunch of Lekgolo around it)

[carmine sleet]

The RvB Warthog song is Los Dos Laredos / Acordeones De Oro

[last anchor]

I wonder how much interest that song got becuase it was in RvB.

Its like, what was it, Camel by Camel cause it was in that Animal Crossing animation.

[unique rune]

Oh hey there’s an Operation: TREBUCHET emblem for the current HCS event thing

Neat

[scarlet quiver]

Yes, yes, thanks.
I thought there was a name for it? Guess not. 🤷🏽‍♂️

On the other note, I bought that song just to play it in my car.
Not that it has a turret or resembles a warthog in anyway, but a man can dream.

[last anchor]

That on right now?

[unique rune]

Yep

[last anchor]

What channel?

[unique rune]

EuroHaloLeague and LVT seems like

[last anchor]

Cool, thanks

[mossy arrow]

what if we nuked the ncr

i mean unsc

[empty bloom]

Uh, you nuked the UNSC. Good job.

[carmine sleet]

I don't see any logic in such an idea, it's just gonna cause people to be real mad at you for doing so

[unborn patrol]

nuked them where

kind of a loose concept

[mossy arrow]

everywhere

idk where they are bro lol

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/stitch-throw-book-gif-10576226

[unborn patrol]

has there been a spartan with all limbs fully prosthetic?

curious if having so many prosthetics would somehow be bad for performance or if they could "dial up" the abilities of the spartan somehow

both, even

[mossy arrow]

i mean from a technical standpoint theyw ould still be slower than the average spartan

idk anything about prosthetics in halo

but if they sre anything like irl prosthetics

snythijg with arms would slow down their arms immensely

their legs would prolly still be fine tho

i could be completely wrong tho

idk anything about halo prosthetics sooo

[empty bloom]

Spartan prosthetics run the gamut from replacing-armor to under-armor prostheses. There isn't a lot of canon on how they specifically plug in and operate, but it's generally assumed that they are on par with the MJOLNIR the Spartan wears.

They have hypothetical strengths but realistic weaknesses.

[mossy arrow]

ty for correcting me again i know nothing about halo prosthetics

so i compared em to real prosthetics

[unborn patrol]

Yeah Im kind of assuming its an extension of the suits function. Like how you operate a spartan suit

[empty bloom]

They're obviously a lot more advanced. Personally I always thought Kat's arm was the stupid way to do prosthetics because it means a massive amount of custom hardware compared to an upgraded version of a normal prosthetic.

[unborn patrol]

Idk what normal prosthetics youre referring to but I imagine you gotta design a combat prosthetic a bit differently. It cant be delicate and needs to be fixable when on the field etc

[empty bloom]

The problem with Kat's prosthetic specifically is that it's an externally mounted piece of equipment that lacks a shared integument with the rest of MJOLNIR for all but the shields, but would also necessitate not only a ground-up rebuild to accomodate the shield waveguides, but plug properly into the suit itself in order to benefit from MJOLNIR's power requirements to output the physical force to keep up; Whereas a more 'normal' prosthetic would simply benefit as a normal limb would from all the armor plating.

[unborn patrol]

Mmh right

[empty bloom]

Kat's prosthetic would need to be more specifically calibrated and customized specifically for its job and still ultimately would be more fragile and easier to damage, making it a liability even if it is hypothetically easier to field-service. It has exposed cable linkages, exposed parts, etc etc.

While each Spartan is absolutely a fine-tuned Tier 0 asset a'la our modern above-Seals style human assets who are exceptionally rare, there's a limit to practical versus personality, and prosthetics like Kat's cross that line.

[prisma sierra]

Ah yes, Nuggets

[prisma sierra]

No more central military government. All colonies are independent. That's cool!

[prisma sierra]

Now imagine if humans found forerunner stuff 2-3 hundred years earlier and reversed engineered them

Contact harvest would have ended in 2 seconds

[unborn patrol]

I doubt it wouldve opened up to us any sooner

That one scientist on spartan ops put it well:
Were monkeys banging on a nuclear bomb because we like the sound it makes

[unique rune]

I'm pretty sure human society would've just destroyed itself fighting over access and control of Forerunner artifacts if discovered that early

[thorn ember]

Fact. The main question would it be friendly fire, or because we opened pandora's box?

[stoic hamlet]

2 to 3 hundred years earlier would be around the Interplanetary wars, so yeah, we’d have killed ourselves trying to get access.

[carmine sleet]

Please don't be weird towards disabled people

[unborn patrol]

Yeah wth

[versed helm]

what would be a good lore accurate combo for halo reach?

[prisma sierra]

Jun's armor

[carmine sleet]

The default armour is basically what Six wore. Though I think they'd at least have some pouches for ammo and at least one shoulder piece

[versed helm]

i went looking thru a list of spartan threes and six was the only default mark v(b)

im trying to be unique but honor a spartan ig?

[carmine sleet]

Though if you want an alternative to the default helmet in Reach, Six did request a Recon helmet but we don't have any concrete confirmation they got it

[carmine sleet]

Honestly, there's not really much on Six because that's kinda the point. Six is meant to be projected onto by the player so whatever your armour looks like is his armour

[latent junco]

Personally I have my Reach armor as a rough armor for one of my OCs

[versed helm]

thats fair, i recreated dante-G188 just now, kinda just recreating and seeing what fits

[carmine sleet]

Where'd you learn what Dante's armour looks like?

[versed helm]

halo wiki, idk if its lore or not

[carmine sleet]

Which Halo wiki? Because some are less trustworthy

[versed helm]

halo amino

[carmine sleet]

Ok, don't trust that one. Best one of the Halo wikis to trust is Halopedia

[versed helm]

is halo fanon trustworthy?

[carmine sleet]

Definitely not, that one is full of fan fiction

[versed helm]

wait fanon is fanfic crud

[carmine sleet]

Which I ain't against existing but it's not good for actual info

[versed helm]

crud he had the odd armor that aint on halo reach

[carmine sleet]

Aye, SPI

[versed helm]

so i cant make him

ill have to make a spartan 3 with MJOLNIR

hmm

[carmine sleet]

You could look at Owen or Hazel

[prisma sierra]

I would love SPI armor in game

[carmine sleet]

Mirage armour exists and is in two games

[prisma sierra]

Is Jun's armor on sale

Darn it I don't have access to my game for three weeks

[prisma sierra]

Yeah too bad In infinite the customisation is like 3 pieces of chest armor

Which are all expensive and ugly

The base core looks great though

[versed helm]

i made owen and his armor has been cosplayed a bit so i think its right

[carmine sleet]

I count 12

[prisma sierra]

Is Owen that guy with the teens

Oh he is... I will probably read that book but idk about a YA book

[carmine sleet]

It's just a book

[prisma sierra]

Oh. Either faulty memory on my part or it didn't load

[versed helm]

he has the light blue armor a security left shoulder, mark v mjolnir right and JFO helmet

[prisma sierra]

I feel like civilians would be confused by a 6 feet Spartan

[prisma sierra]

Cool

I currently just use Gen VII core because it looks great

[versed helm]

oh im on mcc, the halo infinite armor doesnt interest me

[carmine sleet]

Not really. Are you confused by someone being a specific height in the real world?

[prisma sierra]

I mean considering that Spartans are usually 2 meters and more in height.

I'm so confused right now

On the halopedia Owen is almost the same height as Chief

[carmine sleet]

Height variation in super soldiers isn't a crazy thing that would confuse people

Like, the fact you think it's confusing is more confusing

[prisma sierra]

I thought Spartan IIIs were shorter. Like I thought they were average human height

[stoic hamlet]

They tend to run shorter, yes.

But not all of them are.

Hazel-A302 is 6’3”, for example. Olivia-G291 is 6’2”, Ash-G099 is 6’4”.

But we really don’t know many of their heights out of armour. Aside from Noble Team, we don’t know many III’s at all.

That’s what happens when there are a thousand of them.

[prisma sierra]

I see

[tawny temple]

Started reading the short stories in Halo Fractures this weekend. The first two were pretty damn good, I guess I wasn't expecting such a strong start

[unborn patrol]

is this confirmed? I thought they had them in that just so that it wouldnt create a look for 6 and people could then make one themselves

Id imagine a specialized spartan like him would have a bit more to his armor

[empty bloom]

It's canon.

[unborn patrol]

weird

[empty bloom]

Mark Vb is the specialized armor.

[stoic hamlet]

He did requisition a RECON helmet, but it likely never arrived in time.

[unborn patrol]

Recon wouldve totally fit him

I tried making him an armor in Infinite some time back. Recon helmet, EVA left pauldron, mark v right pauldron and kukri on the chest

[obsidian thistle]

They never wore it when they died

Source: Halo: Outpost Discovery

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah. More than likely the request went through but it never arrived.

[obsidian thistle]

There is "areas" where B312 could have changed up their kit

If this scene is canon (impossible to know)

Then B312 pretty much up-armored at least once prior to the Long Night of Solace mission

Before ditching that stuff

[stoic hamlet]

Mhm. And the games’ visuals are always of dubious canon in general, especially with B-312’s unique situation.

[empty bloom]

I tend to assume that the only time that B312 could've gone without repairs is LNOS to NA, and TP to TPOA. Everywhere else there'd be time for at least minute fixes (Blown fuses, biofoam refresh, etc etc)

[last anchor]

What I wouldnt pay to have that entire thing on my wall.
I think I HAVE all of those posters on my bookshelf, but I dont have places for em yet.
(I think I have them all. I need more frames...god why did they make the stuff from the Loot Crates so FLIMSY?!)

[prisma sierra]

Wait when was his helmet found? I thought it was at the end of reach in like 30 years

[stoic hamlet]

Per the text in the info box, it’s a replica.

[unique rune]

People were heading back to Reach as early as 2553. Someone had to be working on resettlement for the game's end scene to work out.

[prisma sierra]

Yeah but they just left his helmet there ig

[last anchor]

They have more important things to deal with than finding combat scrap
Like not dying to the Banished who showed up and murdered a good hundred or so of the Revian settlers.

Presumably the helmet will eventually be found, cataloged, and stored for later decomissioning or classification alongside however much else was left behind on Reach. The place is a giant trash field.

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah it’s a single piece of random armour on a planet littered with random pieces of armour. It’s basically meaningless in the grand scheme. Even highlighting it like that seems out of place.

[prisma sierra]

It's a Spartans helmet not a random piece of armor

Noble Six

[unique rune]

It’s a random battered piece of armor that would look like any other enclosed helmet to someone not particularly invested in the military

[empty bloom]

You're right, it's a Spartan's helmet.

A Spartan from a misbegotten generation and it will likely be studied and catalogued for future armor design informing.

[unique rune]

Deglassing crew are not gonna care lol

[empty bloom]

I'd argue they absolutely would care, because it's a payday that Materials Group is gonna look over to see failiure points.

Salvage rights and whatnot.

[unique rune]

Right, fair enough

[prisma sierra]

I mean the helmet is gonna be there until 2589 according to the ending scene of Reach.

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah if anyone cares it would be more for the design and stuff, not for any particular history or who wore it.

[empty bloom]

I really wish we weren't tied to having that be hard canon because it's really dumb for it to be anything other than allegorical.

Or metaphorical or some other fancy way.

[stoic hamlet]

“Where did it fail, how did it fail? What can we learn from this?”, etc.

[empty bloom]

That's kinda why I assume Kat's death was why Ushuaia doesn't make new Air Assault designs.

[prisma sierra]

Pretty sure by then Mjolnir would be way more advanced. The helmet would just be in a museum of heroes or something

[empty bloom]

You'd think, but there's still idiots who think that Mark IV from 2535 should be worn by Spartan IVs in 2560.

Or that Spartan IIs would still be using it.

On purpose, of course.

[prisma sierra]

If it works it works. Usually because there isn't any other option

[last anchor]

Imagine someone finds it and just keeps it on the mantle
They dont know whos it is, its just a cool shattered helmet they use as a conversation piece.

Or it ends up in some dudes private LARPing collection like reenactors have

[unique rune]

Using the crusty broken helmet as a fruit bowl on my dinner table

[prisma sierra]

Do you guys think there's still a skull in there

[empty bloom]

Six wasn't wearing it when he died, so... Why would it be?

[unique rune]

The Sangheili that ganged up on him ripped his skull out and placed it inside the helmet, obviously

[prisma sierra]

Based Jerome

[empty bloom]

Jerome doesn't have a choice.

[prisma sierra]

Yeah. The only reason Spartans should be using old tech

[stoic hamlet]

When you see war memorials and etc come up, it’s almost always by former units and their families. Case in point and because it’s personal to me, the Newfoundland War Memorial had its 100 year celebration just today, commemorating not just the memorial but in a way a promise made by veterans of the First World War to bring one of their comrades home.

But that ceremony today was done and precipitated by people who wanted to honour that century old promise.

All that to say that B-312 and the Spartans (especially the III’s) have no such families or fellow comrades able to pour in money and etc to make these memorials. That was the entire point.

[last anchor]

Heard about that actually.

[prisma sierra]

Halo has Spartans using Mk IV achieving same feats as Mk7 like Cal fighting a brute with a gravity hammer

[empty bloom]

Well... That's because MJOLNIR's great.

[last anchor]

Also Jerome isnt wearing MK IV anymore anyway, its MK IV Isabel MOD

[empty bloom]

Keystone GEN3 isn't exactly going to be worse than Mark IV.

[last anchor]

Honestly post MK IV most innovaction has been itterational and overal minor advancements, bar the sudden jump to shields in MK V

And even them, prototypes on the IV platform seemed to work okay anyway.

Its kinda like cell phones or computers, once your past a certan hurdle, every following advancement is just incramental increases in specific things.

[stoic hamlet]

It was quite moving. Honestly.

I wasn’t born in Newfoundland but my family was, so while I can’t directly trace my lineage back to the Regiment, I’ve got Newfie blood in me and I feel a connection to them.

I echo the thoughts said by a few different people, the Premier, the current regiment commander, and a few other local historians. I hope he’s proud to know we still care. That we haven’t forgotten.

Anyways, my sappy anecdote aside. Yeah, it’s unlikely that helmet would logically have any significance whatsoever to your common people, and would likely just be something noted but otherwise not really thought about.

[obsidian thistle]

Ultimately speaking, I did find it weird that they chose to replicate B312s helmet

Would have thought a Mark IV helmet would have been better

[empty bloom]

I mean, in-universe perspective, it's weird. IRL... Well, there's a reason I tend to criticize the Reach focus of modern Halo.

[obsidian thistle]

Seeing as there apparently is a battle tested helmet that survives that John-117 wore

Thanks Halo 5

Would have fit into Outpost Discoveries in-universe timeframe also

[empty bloom]

I always found it weird that John himself specifically would be well-known enough for them to dedicate memorials specifically to him.

You'd think that the UNSC would, realistically, dedicate memorials to the sacrifice of the away team of the FuD and her accompanying sister ships utterly, not specifically Chief.

[stoic hamlet]

It’s out of universe slipping in, basically.

I appreciated that Shadows of Reach had him constantly rebuff that whole hero worship stuff.

[empty bloom]

Right. I get them naming a facility after Johnson, though.

You'd also think they'd name a ship of the line after Chief for one reason or another. ONI still has his last name.

[stoic hamlet]

The Field Manual/the lead up to Halo 5 was peak (and by that I mean the worst) little era of that hero worship stuff.

It’s just so… ugh.

Infinite leaned into it a bit too hard as well.

[empty bloom]

It sucks because it feels like Horvath is such a good character for a good chunk of everything and then suddenly

"Chief, if you can hear this... we need you. Now more than ever."

Like, bro, you are a Spartan.

[prisma sierra]

There's a giant chief statue

[empty bloom]

You'd think they'd devote it to the Spartans as a whole instead of just Chief is the thing.

[stoic hamlet]

But he’s not Master Chief so therefore he’s basically worthless. Duh.

Everyone knows Master Chief is and always will be the saviour of everyone.

[prisma sierra]

Because Chief is superman

[empty bloom]

Like ashes in my mouth.

[stoic hamlet]

And we must show him utmost reverence.

He can do no wrong.

Praise Chief.

[empty bloom]

I do find it funny how Chief basically hogs all the glory from Miranda "Gloryhound" Keyes.

[prisma sierra]

Infinite proved Horvath right by having Chief beat everyone like the endless woman and Eschsrum and Jega singlehandedly

[empty bloom]

Yeah, that's part of why Infinite's plot sucks.

[stoic hamlet]

Well even rename an established rank that has hundreds of years of precedent in dozens of navies around the globe because it’s confusing when Chiefs around.

[empty bloom]

"Master Chief, good to see you sir"

Seven older Naval NCOs and an eighth goliath in green armor all turn and look

[prisma sierra]

Based Chief walking down the Spartan section of the ship and everyone looking at him like a god

[unique rune]

Masterer Chief Pettiest Officer

[stoic hamlet]

And all of them blow a gasket at the “sir” remark.

[prisma sierra]

Nah Chief is just incredibly skilled. Which makes me dislike the fact that so many other Spartans died

[empty bloom]

I tend to write my IV OCs as being anywhere from "We're better" to "Yeah, they're Spartans, so what" about IIs and IIIs, even Chief.

[empty bloom]

Cool opinion, I disagree with it.

[prisma sierra]

Real IVs respect the OGs

Unlike Locke

[empty bloom]

LOCKE LITERALLY RESPECTS THE EVERLOVING HELL OUT OF CHIEF

[stoic hamlet]

I just have my OC’s be average nobodies. Even among Spartans. Middle of the road, background characters, basically.

[empty bloom]

HOW THE HELL DO PEOPLE FORGET THAT

IT'S LITERALLY ALL OVER THE DAMN PLACE

DID YOU PEOPLE EVEN PLAY THE DAMN GAME

[prisma sierra]

No because it's not on PC

[stoic hamlet]

You mean the ORION’s from the 2300’s?

[prisma sierra]

Lol

I mean the SIIs

[empty bloom]

God

I really do hate how people are so damn vapid that they can't register that Locke wouldn't have gone through half the crap he did if he didn't respect Chief.

[prisma sierra]

That weird trailer where he kills the Chief

[empty bloom]

Which was being written from a perspective of disgust for the Chief falling so far.

And also isn't canon.

[prisma sierra]

The unnamed canon fodder Spartans in Rubicon Protocol

[empty bloom]

There's also a ton of circumstance around Rubicon and the Infinite Spartans that people just... Kinda ignore.

[stoic hamlet]

^^^

[empty bloom]

6 months in austere conditions, many injured before they even made ringfall. They were basically in the same position as big red team from Fall of Reach, but worse.

Chief at least got to handle Halo CE, 2, 5, and Infinite relatively fresh. 3 and 4 are weird.

[last anchor]

CE only lasted 3 days
2 less than one technically (plus 3 weeks in slipspace)
5 is a day or two

And then of course Infinite which apparently lasted less than a day

[prisma sierra]

Rakshasa would have came in handy in that situation

[stoic hamlet]

Any armour other than Mark IV-VII, really.

[empty bloom]

Eh, I wager Hazmat might be a bad call as well if you don't have a Tanaka or something.

... Then again, having Tanaka there at all would've helped.

[last anchor]

Why is she literally the only member of Osiris we dont know what happened too

Well, I guess Lockes still missing. I feel like Tanaka never got anywhere near the attention the rest did

[prisma sierra]

I mean we don't know if Bucks alive either post infinity

I thinknVale is on Sanghelios

[carmine sleet]

Of all superheroes to compare Chief to, Superman is not the one to compare him to. Chief is someone who is ok with killing, Superman isn't, it's a defining trait of the Man of Steel that he avoids killing. Chief is more like Captain America given that they're both military and unless it's been changed without me knowing, Captain America doesn't have a no kill rule

[prisma sierra]

Yeah the reason even other Spartans look up to him, is because he's not just a Spartan. He's the Spartan

[carmine sleet]

If I recall correctly, each mission in 5 shows a date at the beginning and shows it takes place over 5 days (Unless I'm miss-remembering something)

[carmine sleet]

You didn't read what I said. I was pointing out your comparison of Chief with Superman not making much sense, not disputing why people look up to Chief

Like if you're a war hero, people look up to you in the military, that doesn't mean you're worshipped as a god

[prisma sierra]

Idk I said superhuman because he seems to do everything no one else can and come out alive.
Very lucky indeed.
But yeah Chief kills

[carmine sleet]

I'm guessing that you don't have much knowledge about Superman

[last anchor]

Im not counting slipspace travel for these, just active combat

[prisma sierra]

Idk about superman and being worshipped but I mean like Horvath asking for Chief makes sense considering he's Chief and known for all the things he did.
But maybe superman is the wrong comparison idk he's like a superhero at this point based on his reputation. He even has mini figures and statues

I bet his propaganda is like: Master Chief defeats 9 feet long ancient forerunner warrior with barehands

[carmine sleet]

Ah fair

[stoic hamlet]

It should be noted that’s more due to him being there when no one else was rather than him actually being any better or others being worse.

He was in the right place at the right time, but it didn’t need to be him.

[carmine sleet]

Then why did you decide to compare Chief to Superman in the first place?!

[last anchor]

Waffles takes seem to be spectacularly uninformed and surface scratch level

[prisma sierra]

Because he's a superhero...

[carmine sleet]

Like I said before, Captain America is a much better character to compare Chief to when it comes to superheroes

[empty bloom]

Most people don't really know a lot about their favorite superhero.

(See; American Police's obsession with The Punisher despite him literally directly telling cops in the comics that they're idiots for even looking up to him)

[carmine sleet]

Aye, that is true

But like, there's even basic info about some characters that thanks to films not really bringing it up, has been basically forgotten. Like Black Widow being a supersoldier like Captain America

[empty bloom]

Was there ever a Black Widow solo movie?

[carmine sleet]

There is, came out in 2021, two years after she was killed off in the MCU

It's not the best

[empty bloom]

Ah.

[carmine sleet]

The film was basically doomed by being a story that we knew wouldn't have any impact on anything

[empty bloom]

Ah, fair enough.

[carmine sleet]

Yeah

[empty bloom]

(My favorite superhero is War Machine)

[carmine sleet]

(Mine currently is Red Widow, who has been abcent from Marvel comics since 2016)

[empty bloom]

Oughf

[carmine sleet]

I learnt about her from someone I knew, found her neat as a character and wish Marvel would do something

Though to be clear, she is not to be confused with the other Red Widow that exists and can go Hulk mode for some reason

[empty bloom]

Who also should not be confused with Red Hulk, who is always Hulklike and gets hotter when he gets angrier.

And is also General Ross.

And was originally going to be played by Harrison Ford in the MCU.

[carmine sleet]

Don't forget to not confuse with Red She-Hulk either

[carmine sleet]

I forgot he was taking over after the previous guy died. Didn't know he was who they originally wanted in the role though

[empty bloom]

That said.

It's actually really funny.

That a ton of Halo fans don't really understand or recognize Chief like, as a character.

They just see, well, as Waffle mentioned, a generic 'superhero' type thing.

[carmine sleet]

Yeah

Like, Chief is a hero, but he is not a superhero. He's someone who cares about getting the job done more about how it's done, which is the opposite of most superheroes

Like, Batman is someone who has always stuck to his no kill rule, he refuses to break that rule no matter what (Unless written by Zach Snyder). Chief doesn't have that rule and will just shoot his way through bad guys because that's just who Chief is

And that's not even delving into the fact that Chief doesn't have an alter ego or disguise like what most superheroes have. Chief is just Chief. He's not hiding who he truly is like how Clark Kent keeps it secret that he's Superman, or how Bruce Wayne is actually Batman to the point that subconsciously he's always calling himself Batman

Chief is just a nickname John ended up with based on his rank

Will say though, I think Chief and Black Widow would get along given the fact both are child soldiers made by shady government organisations that were kidnapped from their homes

[unborn patrol]

its the funniest thing to me that they use his logo

thank god I dont live in that joint

[prisma sierra]

So chief would canonically kill a sleeping grunt

[obsidian thistle]

Weirdly I dont think Halo: The Flood ever goes over that part. So its still player choice

[carmine sleet]

I should actually get to reading my copy of that book

[stoic hamlet]

It does depend on the interpretation, though.

The end of The Killing Joke heavily implies he ||kills Joker||, for example, and his earliest version did use guns.

Batman in Snyder’s take operated mostly on the older I don’t have to kill you but I don’t have to save you either” mentality.

And I mean let’s be real here, most of his equipment would seriously maim or kill someone, IRL. It’s been memed to death at this point, lol

[carmine sleet]

Snyder's Batman rams his Batmobile into a truck, killing the occupants riding in the back and has machine guns equipped to it

And while yes, those very early Batman comics do show Batman killing, one of his creators regretted letting the character kill in those early stories, having brought in the no kill rule a year after creating the character in the first place

[stoic hamlet]

Aye, but I’d say a benefit of DC is that they can do basically whatever they want. You have Red Son Batman who does kill, Injustice Batman, etc. there’s no reason Snyder s Batman can’t also be different.

At any rate, I’d most compare John to the newer Wolfenstein games, mainly *New Order and Old Blood

[prisma sierra]

Alternate universes. But the best universe is where Batman doesn't kill. No offense Snyder

[spark pivot]

Batman without his gear vs unarmored chief, who wins?

[stoic hamlet]

… does Batman have prep time?

[tame coral]

why do flood abominations glow?

[unborn patrol]

Batman is just some fascist white guy do you really think its a battle

[tired peak]

Same reason the Gears of War lambits glow

[carmine sleet]

Batman, while still a really competent fighter, has nothing he can use against Chief if it's just the two of them with none of their gear. Chief was able to kill a man with a single punch just after his augmentations were implemented, Batman can't exactly just stop that

[carmine sleet]

Just an artistic decision made by the person who designed them. Makes it more alien when something biological glows

[spark pivot]

Better matchup, bruce lee vs chief with no armor

[empty bloom]

Bruce Lee gets bodied even harder than Batman did because Batman hit Charles Atlas superpower levels but Bruce Lee was still just a normal, albeit famous, highly trained and skilled, martial artist.

[spark pivot]

I highly doubt this tbh

[empty bloom]

Doubt it all you want, even if it's stupid to doubt it at all. One's a comic book character and the other is a literal real person.

Bruce Lee's weaker than Batman because Batman has consistently been portrayed as doing stuff physically beyond what Bruce Lee could even consider doing. Batman's a load of comic book magic crap, which is why he's a more fair fight against Chief than Bruce Lee is, even if both would get absolutely destroyed in a cage match with Chief.

Even then, not convinced Batman would lose because he's still smarter than Chief is, and trained in fictional martial arts that break physics.

Come to think of it.

[last spoke]

it all boils down to plot armor

[prisma sierra]

Batman is peak human without augmentations. He's also incredibly intelligent. But one punch from MC even without Mjolnir he would be in the ICU

[stoic hamlet]

He’d be dead, lol.

The trainers had to wear full body exoskeletons because they kept dying in hand to hand combat exercises.

[last anchor]

And even with those exoskeletons one almost died, Kelly dented his chest plate with her bare hand

[prisma sierra]

Wow they are so mean

[tired peak]

And isn't Kelly the Sniper? Imagine the Punch form one that Activley uses brute force

[last anchor]

Kelly is the fast one
LINDA is the sniper

[stoic hamlet]

You’re thinking of her fighting the III I believe.

Pretty sure John or Sam was the one to dent the armour.

But your point stands.

[ruby canopy]

Bruce Lee would get bodied by today's mma fighters

Even within his own weight class which I imagine would be about 135-145 lbs

[obsidian thistle]

Vs debates are meh. Give me a fun/interesting story instead! 🙂

This is me pretty much saying "whoever wins a vs debate is up to the author. The real skill is making it fun to read, and not I like X over Y better so X wins."

[prisma sierra]

Santa Claus Vs Didact

[carmine sleet]

Better scenarios are taking two characters from different franchises and seeing what they'll do if they're working together

[ripe patio]

How would the Flood impact the WarHammer 40k galaxy?

[tired peak]

Ooooh tks

[last anchor]

What the Tyranids take weeks or months to do (plus generations before via Genestealer cult) the Flood can do in six hours

Take that as you will

[empty bloom]

With less initial forces.

[ripe patio]

Do Tyranids use non-biological tech like the flood will happily do?

[last anchor]

No.

[ripe patio]

Do they retain the memories of the biomass they incorporate?

[last anchor]

No

[ripe patio]

or do they just eat everything and steal dna to make adaptations?

[last anchor]

The latter

[ripe patio]

dang flood you scary

[last anchor]

They need to consume and digest biological matter so that the Norn Queen can splice it into later forms

They can reproduce quickly but they still require a chance to reproduce

[empty bloom]

I think they technically do, it's just specifically their own forces, and specifically of those forces it's the Hive Tyrant.

[last anchor]

Fair, but thats a pattern basically.

[ripe patio]

Flood infested Space Marine go AUUUUUGGHHH

[empty bloom]

BROTHER I AM INFECTED HERE

[ripe patio]

Wait, that's just a chaos marine

[empty bloom]

No, it isn't.

That's not even a plague marine

[last anchor]

Mutation and flood super cell conversion are different entirely

A Chaos Spawn, MAYBE, but even then.

[ripe patio]

An army of flood infested orks and space marines showing up in your sector:
Aw man here we go again

[last anchor]

I am actually curious how the Flood would handle the Black Carapace situation considering it basically hardens the entire chest cavity.

Or is that the other thing with the rib cage and the Carapace goes in after that

[empty bloom]

Honestly the only thing I could really see in the 40k universe giving the flood a direct run for its money is;

• Necrons (inorganic, lack souls utterly, have no interest in the thoughts of biomass as a rule)
• Daemon hordes/Chaos (organic followers but the bulk of their real forces are just immaterial creatures)
• Tyranids (would likely just evolve acid blood or something or treat the flood like necrons and just avoid it)

[ripe patio]

The necrons are kinda analogous to the prometheans eh?

[empty bloom]

Meanwhile everyone else fighting the flood largely lacks either base immunity or the ability to adapt and make an immunity.

[empty bloom]

Except sentient and not possessing even Halo's equivalent of a soul.

[whole bear]

Does Master Chief has a resistance to the Flood like Johnson?

[empty bloom]

To the point of one of the main Necron leaders being unable to find a way to return his species to flesh because the mere concept of the soul is not something in his mind.

[ripe patio]

Better hope the Orks dont just decide to collectively pretend that Flood are food to incorporate into their life-cycle

[last anchor]

Also, Necron weaponry works wonders against biological material since you dont even need to burn it.
Cant spread FSC if youre nothing but disconnected atoms

[empty bloom]

Johnson isn't immune.

Or resistant.

That was lore Bungie retconned.

Actually one of the few retcons Halo's ever had.

[last anchor]

And handled fairly cleanly in truth

[whole bear]

But that would be cool af

[empty bloom]

It's literally one of the dumbest canon concepts to ever exist.

[last anchor]

Nylund wasnt really doing his best work with that was he

[empty bloom]

Basically craps all over the entire concept of the Forerunners and their sacrifice.

[ripe patio]

and the value of one soldier vs knowledge of flood immunity was kinda poorly weighted

[whole bear]

I should start paying more attention to Lore, shouldn’t I

[empty bloom]

Come to think of it, the flood's usual strategic level tricks wouldn't actually work on Orks.

[ripe patio]

"But the forerunner didn't have plasma grenades!?"

"We will infest you and gain access to all of your memory and technology" - "Wait... its all just choppas?"

[stoic hamlet]

“Always has been.”

[empty bloom]

Trying to logic plague anyone near Ghazghull and he just goes 'Nah unorky thinkin, krump em'

[ripe patio]

Red weapons kill flood on contact

Done.

[last anchor]

"Oi, whutz dat thing?"
"It aint right, KRUMP IT"
And then like 60 Boyz dogpile in with choppas

[empty bloom]

Ork flashlights start to act like hardlight to the flood (the orkz don't understand hardlight)

[last anchor]

Actually its the same reason genestealers dont tend to target Orks for conversion too.
Infected Orks just dont sit right and cant really hide.

[stoic hamlet]

But yeah the two biggest threats to the Flood in 40K (only threats really) would be the Necrons and Chaos, though Chaos would kind of just be a stalemate.

[empty bloom]

I feel like the Tyranids would just take their ball and go home.

[ripe patio]

An oddboi would get the idea that if you put a bucket on your head, the infection pods cannot infect you and it is so.

[last anchor]

"No."
Leaves to go back where they come from lol.

[empty bloom]

Leaves and takes up agriculture at home for unlimited biomass

[stoic hamlet]

It’s the Abe Simpsons meme.

[last anchor]

...you think the Tau would be as stupid as people sa they are and try to negotiate with the Flood, or would they just go "NO" and start dropping plasma into them.

I think they're smarter than the memes say and they'd know something you dont try to make a pact with when they saw it

[empty bloom]

Tau are smart enough to know puppeteer parasites are no bueno.

[ripe patio]

"Join our collective and we will end all wars... cmon tau"

[last anchor]

Angry weeb noises

Actually all it would really take was one Kroot going "ay no I aint dealin with THAT" and the Tau would probably agree

[empty bloom]

That's the Eldar.

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Kroot Shapers know their stuff

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Tau aren't weebs.

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Fair.

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Eldar are.

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"This does not please the genome. We out"

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They literally use shurikens.

Like, as primary weapons.

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That one ork youtuber just made a video on it did he not

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evolution vs created beings one?

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Course Tau would still be screwed.

Imperium falling alone dooms about 90% of the galaxy.

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I wouldn't be surprised if there was a 1000 page fan-fic about a covenant station being overrun by flood, blowing their reactor, and ending up in the warhammer40k universe

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And that's assuming they don't use their alleged galaxy killing WMD

I did start writing a fanfic about the Covenant invading the Star League of the Battletech universe.

General consensus? Star League curb stomps the Covenant more often than the opposite.

[whole bear]

You could be the one to write it

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(When your smallest standard unit routinely outtons a scarab, and outguns a scarab, and outspeeds a scarab, and outarmors a scarab, it might be time for the Covenant to pack it in)

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I do not know enough about warhammer. Casual fan only.

I wonder if the full, pre-civil war covenant could hold their on in WH40k universe though

space marines are on a pretty similar power level to spartans, yeah?

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Single, massive, Russian accented NO, and the next thing you know theres black and tartan clad mechs blasting bagpipes right inside your house.

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Depends on who you talk too/argue to the ground with but the basic consensus boils down to "yes"

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How does the covenant navy compare to the Imperiums?

Both are kinda utilizing "ancient tech we dont fully understand and cannot use to their full potential" yeah?

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The Covenant have more understanding of their tech than the Imperium ironically enough.

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Engineers go BRR

they've both got Energy Shields, both have Lance/laser type weapons. Both had boarding craft. Both have types of Torpedos (plasma torpedoes are probably more powerful for their strong tracking ability alone)

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They're internally guided by a living person I believe yes

Someone on a Covenant vessel is directing the torpedos manually

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I take it back. WH40k space combat is goofy. Halo kinda tries to still be realistic comparatively

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It's more 'I kills it with my battleships' in actual practice, funny enough.

Even hilariously unoptimized, Battletech warships still move and fight like they're in The Expanse.

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Naval PPCs have ranges in the tens of thousands of kilometers do they not?

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Even without shields, basically the only thing that would reliably realistically threaten SLDF warships would be the pulse lasers... Which Battletech warships already defend well against because they also have lasers and the armor to tank the fire.

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And bigger lasers too.
Funny, plasma in BT doesnt show up until later and its weird plasma

But then again, melting armor is...not an unnew thing for BT is it?

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Nope.

Battletech armor is by nature ablative composite

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Carbon, titanium, steel and hyper-hardened diamons lattice if I remember right?

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Yep

Depends on the specific armor but yep

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Each mech sheathed in ablative sheets that are fully modular.

Which is why you can refit a Mech for battle in a couple of hours with the right equipment.

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Which IIRC does have a canon high as hell Mohs hardness because of how the BAR rating works

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It would have to be hard considering some of the ballistic weapons these things tote around.
The AC20 is no joke

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I tend to assume the old school LOS style or 'Yeah this is the canon range' alt ruleset is canon for Battletech ghns.

Where the rules team went 'yeah basically if you want real canon ranges just multiply all the gun ranges by like 5x'

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The average Atlas Lance would out-ton the average Deutoros Scarab by about 230 tons, outgun by about... 4-5x the weapons with more mass, outrun by about 4kmph at a standard run (not a sprint), and outrange by a significant margin.

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And thats not including the morale support if its a Steiner lance.

Nothing the Mailed Fist likes more than to stomp on a smaller opponent.

"BUG! SQUISH IT!"

(Can you put jumpjets on an Atlas? You probably can I bet)

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Also, armorwise, that Scarab's crew would be pounded into meat paste (a single shell from a 90mm smoothbore presumably APHE shell penetrates the side armor of a Scarab in one or two shots)

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Theres a LOT of empty space in there too for aggressive overpenetration and spaal

LRMs are like, stupid big too arent they?

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Yep

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An LRM 20 firing is like droping almost 2 dozen telephone poles on someone

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Not that big.

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Really?
What am I thinking of thats telephone pole sized?
Arrow 4 maybe?

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Mechs are actually pretty damn small sizewise, the Scarab is actually nearly 30 meters taller at the gun.

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Fair, stuff like the Locust is barely 2 stories tall

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It's just that in terms of volume mechs are more compact and waaaaay better at damage propagation.

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And the armors overall more dense too in a lot of places.

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Yep

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This is reminding me that I need to play more Mechwarrior 5 to prepare for Clans.

Its war crime time, with Clan Weed Cat!

[bronze prawn]

so, what is this hole thing with the station anvil ?

[orchid kettle]

It was the setting for the now cancelled Halo Online game where it was a training station for both Spartans and Elites from Arbiter's faction

since he and the UNSC are pals

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that sound like wasted potential

like half of things in the halo universe tbf

[whole bear]

So while I was searching for a Noble Six funko pop, the result ‘Noble Six, ghost of Reach’ showed up and I forgot to google. Is he actually a protector spirit or something?

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no

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Damn

That would be awesome