lore-and-universe

[orchid kettle]

Because Id imagine a big part of MJOLNIR's actual cost comes from both the shielding unit and the larger reactor needed to power said unit

[manic osprey]

oh good lord I was right the first time, it's a mini fusion reactor

[orchid kettle]

Since in Fall of Reach, Chief notes that the Mark V looks the same as his IV, just with a bulkier power pack

and obviously the implication is that the upscaled reactor is necessary for all the new goodies

[manic osprey]

the main cost is probably a combo of the techsuit and reactor

[orchid kettle]

which includes that crystal layer as well that can house a Smart AI

[manic osprey]

the cost of materials not so much, but producing a flexible, highly armored titanium nanoweave body suit with internal climate controls etc

the internal gel layer

crystal storage layer for an AI

and then a fusion reactor that's smaller than a football?

[orchid kettle]

which is supposed to be a big deal in a universe where such AIs require their own dedicated data centers

[manic osprey]

yeah

like it's no surprise that it's so expensive

[orchid kettle]

Well thats what I mean

It makes more sense to cut those features if you're looking to cut costs

[manic osprey]

hence why they were cut from SPI

[orchid kettle]

(Not like a ton of characters actually make use of the Smart AI feature anyway)

[manic osprey]

no, it's been what, Chief, Fred, and Jerome?

[orchid kettle]

Naomi had Black Box, and I think Linda may have had one in her comic series?

[manic osprey]

Right. I should've remembered BB, I just re-read glasslands

[orchid kettle]

But for say, the Infinity Spartan contingent

[manic osprey]

but even your AI in infinite MP just uses dumb AI

[orchid kettle]

Roland and any other AI can just talk to them over radio

[manic osprey]

yeah, Roland never left the ship, although we get plenty of good examples as to why pairing a spartan and an AI (or even an ODST and a dumb AI) works well throughout the games

[orchid kettle]

And apparently a fragment can just live in your armor's normal computer systems

if Bad Blood is any indication

[manic osprey]

I never read Bad Blood so I'll take your word on that

but seeing as how the crystal layer acts as part of the normal computer systems, I don't think that's too much of a surprise

[orchid kettle]

Yeah in the story, Buck thinks he's smashed an evil Smart AI's data chip and killed it, but it turns out a fragment hopped aboard one of Alpha-Nine's suits over like, bluetooth I guess

[last anchor]

FOOT

[manic osprey]

that makes sense I guess? we see in H2/3/4/Infinite that AI can transmit wirelessly (or via close proximity) from storage system to storage system

[orchid kettle]

I dunno, Smart AIs have kinda gotten to the point where they just feel like magic

[manic osprey]

||they've always been that way tbqh||

[orchid kettle]

because the story treats the AI fragment as if it can live on and I guess return to "full power" as long as the tiniest sliver remains?

But like-- thats not how data works

if bro didnt upload his memories

then those memories are just gone

[manic osprey]

shh it's science fiction, you're just supposed to accept the handwave

[orchid kettle]

Sif in Contact Harvest also kinda made it clear that her fragment was just a proxy or something that she always had a direct connection with

[empty bloom]

So-thing about cost statements like that, usually, in reality, that sort of statement is basically including the R&D cost. I sincerely doubt MJOLNIR's total material and labor cost was around the price of a Frigate per suit, but the R&D that went into each suit makes each cost as much as a frigate.

[orchid kettle]

It didnt seem like the fragment could exist independent of her

[empty bloom]

Like, the F-35's budget was collossal, but the budget was inflated due to intense R&D, not outright resource cost.

[manic osprey]

the high cost is probably less R&D more long term maintenance

[orchid kettle]

In fact, part of Contact Harvest involves Lighter Than Some having to fix up Sif's data centers so she can then beam herself down into the JOTUNNs with Mack

[empty bloom]

Oh, no, it's 100% R&D.

Maintenance isn't nearly as expensive.

In fact, it's usually the cheapest part.

You're producing known and current tech in known quantities, that is always cheaper than prototypes and unique per-unit build cases.

[manic osprey]

I mean when you're literally throwing unique per-unit build cases into firefights that would destroy modern soft or hard body armor and expecting it to come back

and then expecting to continue to add onto said per-unit build cases

[orchid kettle]

Canon kinda ends up tripping over itself a bit when it ends up implying that Chief is changing Mark IV suits every other week

[empty bloom]

It stops being unique the moment you start making spare parts.

[manic osprey]

I'd expect the maintenance costs to be astronomic

[orchid kettle]

Like, for real. Chief has the Cobalt armor in Silent Storm, and 11 days later, he will be in his Legends armor for FuD

[manic osprey]

Or how he gets Mark V in like August 2552, then completely destroys it by mid/late Sept 2552

[empty bloom]

High, sure. But you're not exceeding R&D costs until the suits are in operation long enough for supply chains to shutter, and even then you'll likely end up still having the specs and finding a new manufacturer.

Or, as some orgs do today, make it yourself via minifacturing.

[orchid kettle]

This honestly may have been retconned out entirely, considering how the timeline for 2526 ends up going Silent Storm -> FuD -> Oblivion

and Oblivion's box art seems to have Chief in the same armor he wore in Silent Storm, which is again Cobalt

[empty bloom]

Okay can Silent Storm not mess anything up for once in its squalid existence

I swear to god, the only time I ever hear about Silent Storm is another way it screwed up something.

[manic osprey]

I also have not read Silent Storm, is it that bad?

[orchid kettle]

I think its probably the best of the Denning novels

but it mucks up a lot of stuff

ultimately I dont really think the second Master Chief trilogy was all that worthwhile

[empty bloom]

The fact it's the second is just... Ugh.

[orchid kettle]

well you can argue Ghosts of Onyx isnt really a Master Chief book, but then I guess the Flood exists

even though its a different author

[manic osprey]

The Flood is the worst of the original books imo

[orchid kettle]

Thats a pretty common stance, yeah

[empty bloom]

I honestly prefer it because it causes the least problems going forward with canon.

And has the least unnecessary additions.

[orchid kettle]

It kinda feels like the Halo book tie-in that Bungie feared Fall of Reach was gonna be

[manic osprey]

I get that Fall of Reach/First Strike/etc cause some issues later on, but they are at least internally consistent with H1

[empty bloom]

Oh, also, Silent Storm is really funny because it basically introduces something that makes Operation Torpedo look dumb.

[orchid kettle]

just kinda this lazy trend of an author really clearly just transcribing their playthrough

[manic osprey]

The Flood isn't even that internally consistent with H1 iirc

[empty bloom]

It does some extra stuff, and some things happen that don't happen in the game.

[manic osprey]

Yeah like the stuff with the ODSTs and Jenkins

[empty bloom]

Nothing really bad per say.

Though... Jenkins is a bit of a snarl these days.

[orchid kettle]

Its mostly interesting imo for being the first time we get to see Covenant prospectives

[manic osprey]

i blame joe staten

[orchid kettle]

But its not fully realized yet

[empty bloom]

Though, I'd bet that the intended view if that book ever got a rewrite, the goal of Jenkins would likely be some gravemind related plot or whatever.

Where he's given just enough sentience and free will to lull the human survivors into a false sense of security like a trap.

"Well, this Jenkins guy clearly means that flood victims could be saved"

[orchid kettle]

Im also not entirely sure if it was super healthy for the universe that active camo was easily countered by thermal optics

[empty bloom]

I mean, easy retcon, the ODST was just smart and noticed elite-shaped objects in the VISR instead of heat sigs.

[manic osprey]

it makes sense

[empty bloom]

Same thing that happens in H3ODST.

[orchid kettle]

sometimes it feels like stories ignore that, and I always felt like Headhunters was implying that their ability to detect cloaked Elites was a recent breakthrough

[manic osprey]

optical camo was never stated to be perfect

[orchid kettle]

In ODST, it silhouettes them, sure, but in the same way that the VISR outlines scenery, which I always thought was a cute middleground

so it kinda fits that Headhunters got an upgrade to where the VISR mode actually properly recognized those silhouettes for what they really were

[empty bloom]

It's the same shade, at any rate. Vaguely like a scenery object.

I could see a particularly attentive ODST going "Oh, shoot, that's an elite, wth"

[manic osprey]

and given the reputation of the silent shadow, isn't it supposed to be implied that the silent shadow have both very, very, very good active camo, and the headhunters have very, very, very good VISR tech?

they are both units that are supposed to be a cut above the rest

[orchid kettle]

I dunno if active camo quality has been a thing beyond like

Arby's armor sucking because his time in camo is limited

versus anyone else, who can be cloaked indefinitely

[manic osprey]

but regardless, active camo was also described as simply "bending the light" around their shields/armor

it was never described to mask heat signatures or sound signatures

[orchid kettle]

It honestly doesnt feel strange for infiltration harnesses to mask heat

if you believe the 2009 encyclopedia, ODST armor does too

Chief in fall of reach also dons a thermal-masking poncho at one point

[manic osprey]

hell with the "light bending" shenanigans it still can be picked up by motion trackers (assuming that they use radar)

[orchid kettle]

its never really been clear how the motion detector actually works

[empty bloom]

Covenant special forces are supergoobers anyways.

[orchid kettle]

I dunno if any Spartan in the books has confirmed that it works through walls and floors like it does in-game

[manic osprey]

I'd assume radar. probably the most realistic assumption

[orchid kettle]

what I find funny is how in 4, it picks up camo Elites, but it makes them blue

[manic osprey]

also keep in mind that infiltration harnesses only originated in reach so idk what to tell ya

[orchid kettle]

which is probably even stranger

[manic osprey]

and in 5 MP it hides your motion tracker signal if you don't sprint

[orchid kettle]

They wear "infiltration harnesses" in Cole Protocol as well

Arby and his team of Zealots

[manic osprey]

i can't remember for the life of me if it masks your motion tracker signal in Infinite

[orchid kettle]

I think it does

Otherwise, why use your tracker dart ability

if your passive motion tracker already does everything it does

[manic osprey]

but I never pick it up and I can't remember if it hides elites who use it since elites with camo are easy to see

[manic osprey]

for wall hacks?

[orchid kettle]

I mean in a way Chief always has wall hacks

[manic osprey]

oh also in 4 if you use promeathean vision camo players/elites show up with a blue outline as well iirc

[orchid kettle]

I do enjoy the explanation that PV is basically a super VISR mode

[manic osprey]

I last read Cole Protocol when it came out so I will once again take your word on that

although in the H2A terminals that show clips that take place during the events of Cole Protocol doesn't Arby wear the standard combat harness?

(not disagreeing with you but trying to remember for the life of me)

[manic osprey]

it's certainly one way to explain it

[orchid kettle]

Arby is in his gold harness in that terminal, yeah

[manic osprey]

I just used it for the wall hacks on small slayer maps back in the day lol

[orchid kettle]

when he should look like a Reach spec ops Elite

Part of the benefit of that harness as well was that it was vacuum sealed, and would protect them from the planet's methane atmosphere

So Arby needs a closed helmet to make it far enough in the story to tussle with Jai

[manic osprey]

🤔

[wispy pewter]

I really don't like the idea of trash can spartans. Using non military grade steel? does that even block plasma?

Anyway after trying it once I quickly went back to the Mark VII core

it just needs a little bit more protection

[unique rune]

They're... not "trash can" Spartans? It's called being resourceful?

Scavenging components is kind of a necessary thing for the operations that the Rakshasa armor is designed for. Would you rather they just wear out their original equipment and run around naked?

MJOLNIR's titanium outer shell is only really any good against kinetic small arms fire and plasma would melt straight through it with little effort. Most of its protection against DEWs is from the energy shields.

[stoic hamlet]

Well, most UNSC armour near the end of the war has ceramics and special coatings to help resist DEW’s, but it’s not great. It helps though.

[sonic lagoon]

There’s also different types of radiation. Is Mjonir protected against all forms of radiation?

[wispy pewter]

I would assume to a certain extent since it can survive in a vacuum. not to mention it's powered by nuclear I think?

[prisma sierra]

Pretty sure titanium can block all three types of radiation rays

[unique rune]

It probably wouldn’t be a very efficient way to shield from gamma radiation

[fallen fox]

Question: Is the Mastadon (UNSC from Halo Wars 2) an Amphibious APC?

(it's not on Halopedia) but I'm asking anyways

[carmine sleet]

Probably not

If it was, there'd likely be a mention of that feature

[unborn patrol]

just goin off by the name Id highly doubt it

seems its maybe a derivitive of the mammoth

[unique rune]

It probably has the ground clearance to ford across shallow waters but otherwise it’s not

[sonic lagoon]

The X-24 FAV is pretty cool. Like the Halo version of the Gears of War APC.

[obsidian thistle]

https://www.halopedia.org/X-24_FAV

For those curious

(cause its not a well known vehicle)

(I do find it amusing that it took the fiction stereotype of "How do we make a thing sound better than the old... oh I know lets double the number and use X to show its a prototype")

[empty bloom]

The goobermobile

[wispy pewter]

the batmobile

[gusty star]

That’s not really amusing more like lazy writing

[unique rune]

I dunno if I'd call it lazy with how inconsequential it is

[wispy pewter]

Halo had really cool names for ships

now you get one word stuff

[empty bloom]

Yes, because 'Mortal Reverie' is a single word.

[empty bloom]

So is 'Port Stanley', 'Argent Moon', 'Tart-Cart', 'Abstract Endurance', 'Bad Moon Rising', 'Buteo's Talon'. All famously one word names, actually. Very uncreative.

[wispy pewter]

I mean when you compare it to names like Foward Unto Dawn and Spirit of Fire...

[empty bloom]

Yes, the famous and legendary wordplay of 'spirit of fire' for a PHOENIX CLASS SHIP.

Your complaint is baseless, my guy. Might want to brush up on your ship name knowledge.

Hell, you can turn it around on Bungie era naming conventions, because that's where ships like the UNSC Red Horse, UNSC Gettysburg, UNSC Grafton, UNSC Gorgon, and such, came from.

[unique rune]

famously cool multi-word name UNSC Savannah

[wispy pewter]

yeah naming your sci fi ship ater a battle on america that took place 700 years ago

weird

[empty bloom]

I mean, it's not as bad as Blaine Pardoe's writing, at least.

[unique rune]

The US named an aircraft carrier after a fictional mystical valley in Asia once, what's the issue here?

[empty bloom]

Having characters in 3152 talking about how bad it is to start removing statues... In 2020.

[wispy pewter]

Covenant ship names are the best

[empty bloom]

I always found the '''criticism''' over ship names kind of annoying because it doesn't hold up to scrutiny once you have a level of knowledge past the most on-the-face surface level.

[wispy pewter]

UNSC Enterprise when

[empty bloom]

Plus, honestly, the UNSC's ship naming scheme is terrible. Just awful.

[unique rune]

The complete lack of solid naming conventions always makes my brain hurt a little

[empty bloom]

And the fact that some are randomly incredibly long. It's like rich people naming their yachts, but it's people who are supposed to be running a competent military.

Ah, yes, I love having to say 50% of a sentence just to say I'm hailing Captain Keyes.

[wispy pewter]

Long but cool. Like Pillar of Autumn

kinda like Helldiver 2 ship names it's always 3 words

[unborn patrol]

I love the names of covenant ships

[wispy pewter]

yes they are so poetic

[unborn patrol]

and they feel apt for the religious zealots that they are

[drowsy mesa]

TODAY IN HALO
2500: Andrew del Rio is born on Earth
2510: Atriox is born on Doisac
2560: Halo Infinite happens

[carmine sleet]

Why do I get the feeling Del Rio would hate having the same birthday as Atriox?

[bronze prawn]

crazy how Earth is under created occupation, Doisac was blown to literal pieces and infinite is of the most hated games in halo

[empty bloom]

Pretty sure 'apathy' is the better term for how Infinite is viewed.

[wispy pewter]

that one map with the Panama looking at a covenant cruiser. is that friendly or nah

[empty bloom]

The Covenant Supercarrier it shoots at when you score?

[wispy pewter]

I have no idea what map it is but theres a big purple ship and a UNSC ship above with the name panama and it's the map wher eusually theres a wasp

[unique rune]

He's saying that the Panama shoots a big laser at the supercarrier when things happen on that map.

I think you can probably deduce how they feel about each other given that laser weapons usually aren't for tickling.

Y'know that reminds me that for some reason the Panama differs between its appearances on Highpower and Deadlock. On Highpower it's marked with H4/5 UNSC signage but the Deadlock texture has the more "classic" styled Infinite markings.

[empty bloom]

Maybe Highpower was made before Deadlock was.

[wispy pewter]

damn all those energy weapons all just to not even do any damage

the brigtlance laser looks cool tho

[empty bloom]

I mean, they likely hit about as hard as MACs-it's just that Supercarriers are Supercarriers.

[wispy pewter]

I am really digging the Mulsanne design. Porbably one of them can replace the Infinity

[unique rune]

What.

[empty bloom]

...

[unique rune]

A frigate type meant to serve alongside a supercarrier is not going to replace said supercarrier.

[wispy pewter]

I mean the supercarrier is destroyed

[empty bloom]

Sigh

[unique rune]

They're not going to replace a destroyed supercarrier with a frigate.

[empty bloom]

The tonnage displacement of the Mulsanne is about 0.9 million tons.

The tonnage displacement of the Infinity is 907 million tons.

The Infinity is as long as about 12 Mulsannes.

[unique rune]

The silliest part of this is that the Mulsanne-class doesn't even have the big prominent cargo bay of other UNSC frigate types so it couldn't even serve as a makeshift carrier if it wanted to.

[wispy pewter]

wonder what ship can replace Infinity, assuming they don't bring it back to life.

[unique rune]

UNSC Eternity, for one.

[wispy pewter]

because we've seen that clas of frigate in two maps and a dead one in a book so if anyone comes to save UNSC in zeta halo it just might be the panama

[wispy pewter]

heard it's unbuilt and stripped for parts for the Infinity

[unique rune]

It's incomplete, yes, but whatever you mean by "replace Infinity" is so unhelpfully vague.

Eternity literally is a second Infinity-class warship and would be the obvious candidate to replace her sister if ever completed.

[wispy pewter]

I mean I don't mean replace like that I mean as the main ship in a Halo game

[empty bloom]

The dead one is also in Infinite.

[wispy pewter]

wonder if Cortana crippled UNSC ship building?

[empty bloom]

Most likely. If they actually cared about the Created having staying power at least.

[unique rune]

She crippled UNSC everything

[wispy pewter]

ah maybe just have the UNSC discover the Infinity's carcass and fix it or something

[rapid river]

Well, I think the UNSC would take anything at this point after the navy was reduced to shambles, aling with the UEG/UNSC's broader infrastructure. Thanks Cortana.

But yeah, a frigate is not going to replace a supercarrier in any function other than being a ship.

[rapid river]

I'd lean much on the Banished discovering the semi-intact remains of the UNSC Infinity and repurposing it.

Its entirely within their modus operandi to repurpose and modify existing starships, and the UNSC completely abandoned the Infinity duting ringfall when the Banished won the naval engagement.

[stoic hamlet]

Don’t worry guys, the Spirit of Fire will save us!

[empty bloom]

The Spirit of Fire's sentinel gun (it shoots sentinels as ammunition)

I really hope they flesh out the Infinity's fall, tbh. Make it a lot more pyyrhic for the Banished than it looks or something.

[carmine sleet]

At this rate, I'm just gonna send this image to people who suggest that unironically

[vivid umbra]

Yeah. It survived two Promethean assaults, yet fell to a Covenant splinter group from hell. Hope it doesn't get left in canon limbo like lots of other things.

[carmine sleet]

To be fair, the Prometheans didn't try ramming what is basically a space ship gravity hammer into the Infinity

[rapid river]

The Infinity's nearly been destroyed/defeated countless times in the fiction.

The NCA nearly took control of the Infinity before it even launched. Five years later, they nearly destroyed the Infinity with a single glassing station.

Jul 'Mdama's Covenant managed to sneak several nukes on-board and if Crimson (the A-team on the Infinity) didn't accidentily stumble on one Sangheili carrying a cloaked nuke, the Infinity would've been blown to bits. Then there's the whole throwing the ship into the sun.

The Banished - a faction much smarter and more effective than the Covenant and certainly its splinter groups - being able to ambush and overwhelm the carrier through greater numbers, precise hits to the flanks with ship sized gravoty hammers to discombobulate the vessel and unleashing boarding parties to overwhelm the crew is hardly some far fetched idea. If anything, it speaks to both the prowess of the Banished and what it exactly took to bring down humanity's prized stick.

[empty bloom]

Four is countless now?

The real stretch of the imagination is that the Banished won in a straight fight against it without it leaving or doing more damage than we hear about.

[rapid river]

The Rubicon Protocol establishes that the Banished had a massive fleet at Zeta Halo.

Witnessing the Banished force firsthand, the sheer number … she hadn’t seen anything like this since the end of the Covenant War.

[empty bloom]

I know.

It is not well depicted in the game.

And frankly, it's a waste of a ship and setpiece, so I refuse to defend its implementation in either case.

We know it iced a few Bannies. Offscreen.

Which doesn't matter at all in-game or in-book.

IMO it should've had its spine punched out attacking Earth to take it back from the Created.

[rapid river]

No kidding. The scene only depicts the Infinity's fall from a very closeup shot of the Infinity. Its not communicating the sheer scale of the Banished's naval forces.

You won't find an argument from me that the scene could've been conveyed better, but as the battle played out, we know for a fact the Banished have a large fleet.

[empty bloom]

I am so tired of being told and not shown.

[ripe patio]

I wouldn't have minded the "6 months later" start to the game if we had spent the campaign rescuing the Infinity's crew members, uncovering what happened, and forming an actual resistance on the ring.

[rapid river]

I'm going to go "well AKtuAlLy" here and say we technically do this in-game. Rescuing marine squads, freeing human POWs from Banished camps, collecting audio logs and creating an actual coherent resistance as the Chief and fellow resistance members take down Banished outposts and eliminate HVTs across their section of the ring.

I get what you're saying though

Would've been good to have Lasky, Palmer and other familiar characters present and actually touch up on the established history of the ring.

But you can't say that the Chief didn't rescue Infinity crew members and create a unified resistance on the ring.

[ripe patio]

I can, because none of the marines you rescue actually matter. There's no named NPCs, you just get more firebases and call in options.
There's no narrative impact or fulfillment. But you are right we get audiologs about the events

None of the banished sites you destroy contribute anything, none of the marines groups you rescue give anything other than "favor". It would have been more engaging of an open world if any of that factored into the story.

[empty bloom]

A version of Halo Infinite where you rescue scattered Spartans who were holding their own but appreciate the help.

Revisit the original Palmer meeting concept.

Chief gets ambushed by a Chieftain, she blows its brains out with a magnum. He saves her from a camoflaged Jega, small miniboss fight ensues as Palmer gets knocked behind a banished shield by Jega, Jega runs after he loses, Palmer thanks Chief for the help.

Add Tanaka to the game, have her running her own "Spartan town" (She's the only certified MJOLNIR engineer who is also a Spartan who is known on a visual level) out of a destroyed hulk of Banished base or something; Explain why some Spartans, like Chief, are still up and standing. Have a nice little quest where you find out, with Tanaka, what happened to Locke.

There's so many options, but none were used in favor of dropping the Reclaimer plotline like a steaming mess.

[prisma sierra]

And in the books the infinite got a shot off it's Mac cannon and destroyed a banished ship

But in the game it got wrecked in 1 minute

[empty bloom]

Still think Escharum's lying about '4 minutes", though.

[prisma sierra]

I guess that's revenge for the Enduring Conviction

[stoic hamlet]

I always felt like a good way to endear the IV’s to people would have been to have one appear in infinite, like, alive and well, in functioning armour. Not a named character at that point, just some random S-IV.

Have the player see Chief basically take charge of the pilot and weapon up to that point, then when the IV saves them, have Weapon or Pilot ask Chief if he’ll have them join the team, but have Chief just look to the IV and go “I’ll follow you”, or something, because they have the experience and knowledge of the area that John lacks.

You know, flip the expected outcome on its head of John “coming in to save the day”.

[wispy pewter]

he did save the day though

he defeated all that none of the IVs at the reverie could except Gorian. And he just came to Zeta

[stoic hamlet]

In this scenario he wouldn’t. That’s the point. In this situation (as @empty bloom suggested) have John be the one that’s saved, and have him defer to the IV’s experience, both because it’s logical to do, and because it’s a great character moment.

[stoic hamlet]

Yes, because he was in fresh armour and had the ability to move much quicker than they could.

[empty bloom]

Hemblo yes I have been pung

[empty bloom]

I still, out of all narrative beats of Infinite, actually have this among my greatest loathings of the story.

Because it feels so unearned.

[stoic hamlet]

We see even severely wounded and in far more damaged armour, Stone almost easily killed Jega at several points.

[empty bloom]

Jega needed a backstab to win that fight.

[stoic hamlet]

John had no handicaps like the IV’s did.

[wispy pewter]

She should have collected explosive barrels smh

[empty bloom]

The IVs honestly had a situation I'd wager even Chief couldn't actually fight his way out of.

They had;

• No special smart AI.
• No special treatment by the enemy.
• No transport.
• No mission.
• No rescue.
• No comms.

And Chief was positively coddled by Escharum by comparison.

[wispy pewter]

what is Ouca or mouse not on the same level as weapon

[empty bloom]

No, not even close.

They are non-volitional AIs, practically dumb AIs.

They can hack like, a door. Or a truck.

[stoic hamlet]

Of course he was going to roll over the Banished. They were stood down and on garrison duty for months at that point, and Escharum explicitly ordered the Banished to not bring their full might to bear on John, even when they could have.

Coupled with his AI and armour (and a Pelican) and John had probably the easiest ringside journey thus far, lol.

[empty bloom]

There are literally six presumably full dreadnoughts over that ring segment, if Escharum wanted Chief dead, it'd be a cakewalk.

[wispy pewter]

Banished let a lot of marines to live for some reason

[empty bloom]

Sport and training.

[empty bloom]

I'm still pretty sure that the comm facility that was being used to spy on Spartan IV comms was actually destroyed like, 5 months after it mattered, almost at random, by a pair of ODSTs.

Just in time for Chief to benefit from it I guess.

[wispy pewter]

if they waited 13 days they could've met up with chief

[wispy pewter]

well then he shouldn't have died to chief

[empty bloom]

He wanted to die to Chief.

Specifically, he wanted to fight Chief.

[cobalt mortar]

remember when master chief said in halo 2 “i am the master chief and im going to destroy this halo 2

[empty bloom]

The point is that Escharum lied to his allies and orchestrated his own death at Chief's hands.

Or at least, his fight against Chief.

[wispy pewter]

remember when chief said he has a score to settle

[wispy pewter]

I just think Chief was simply better. But still lost to Atriox

Kinda want Chief to beat Atriox in a rematch

maybe in Halo 7

[empty bloom]

... He was better, but that's not the point.

Escharum had the forces to kill Chief. That's the point.

[cobalt mortar]

remember when chief said in halo infinite “ this ring is a circle which makes it infinite”

[empty bloom]

It's like, I'm not judging my entire faction by the capability of two guys.

[wispy pewter]

lmao

[cobalt mortar]

HALO INFINTE

[empty bloom]

Chief has one fighter, him, an AI, and a pilot who doesn't even want to be there.

Versus Escharum, who has six warships, an entire standing army, complete air dominance, and more.

I'm not determining that fight based entirely on Chief and Escharum.

Because A) Spartans generally mop the floor with Brutes, and B) It doesn't matter, because Escharum was delibrately pulling his punches-because he wanted the 1v1 to happen.

[wispy pewter]

If chief was at the battle of reverie things might have turned out different

[empty bloom]

How?

They still can't kill a warship, they still lack the munitions to hold off the attack, they still lack an AI, and they still lack a pilot.

Not to mention, the Spartans there were still a full fireteam down and also were festooned with wounds and broken plating. They were not at their best.

Chief's awesome, whatever, but the point of the Mortal Reverie is that the Banished were outputting so much fire on one side of the ship they melted the very ground and encampments.

Like, Spartan, not a Spartan, whatever, you ain't living through that hellscape of fire.

They basically fell victim to the same scenario that doomed the Spartan IIIs years prior-a persistent, aggressive enemy, who abuses the territory and space and munition advantages that they have against a foe that has limited movement and no war goal that exists beyond spiteful, recalcitrant survival.

[stoic hamlet]

Bu-bu-Buh MASTURCHEEF! D:

That’s also what happened to the Spartan II’s on Reach.

It turns out - shockingly, I know - Spartans aren’t cut out for large field battles.

[empty bloom]

Spartans are funny in that it turns out, the same thing that kills them, is the same thing that kills real world special forces troops; Overwhelming and specifically directed firepower on their position.

Spartans just tank more.

[wispy pewter]

indeed

[unique rune]

I’ll have you know that Misterbeef can actually catch bullets with his teeth and he would win

[wispy pewter]

100 to 1 odds is nothing for chief

now that the Escharum is dead there might be a chance for the UNSC to win since their big boss is dead. Still reinforcements would help '

[empty bloom]

Atriox came back, so... No?

And even then, the Banished still have their fleet.

[bronze prawn]

and their banished spartans

[wispy pewter]

welp thats what the IVs thought would happen the banished might fight each other without a boss monkey

[bronze prawn]

and that guardian-killer weapon

[unique rune]

One (1) Banished Spartan who isn’t even on Installation 07

[empty bloom]

And they were problably right. Provided they also killed a few other LTs as well.

For example... Jega.

[wispy pewter]

oh man I want Ilsa Zane to be a boss in like the next Halo game

[bronze prawn]

I understand the character, kinda like it but cant honesly wait to see her killed

[unique rune]

When he’s sneaking around and only engaging small groups of enemies at a time, yeah, maybe. So less 100 to 1 and more 10 to 1, 10 times.

Though he’d probably be exhausted by the end of that.

[wispy pewter]

Gorrila warfare

[empty bloom]

[wispy pewter]

me too

I hate they cheapened the name spartan by adding these fake ones

[empty bloom]

Agony, even.

[unique rune]

You can’t really guerrilla warfare your way out of a siege

[wispy pewter]

he's chief he will figure it out

[empty bloom]

ugh.

I hate Chief so much.

[unique rune]

I don’t even hate the Chief, I’m just sick of the doofy hero worship that ignores the fact that he isn’t magic and can’t just eat the Banished with a snap of his fingers or whatever

[empty bloom]

I love stakeless heroes.

I looooove heroes with absolute zero odds of losing with no actual pressure involved.

If I wanted that crap I'd just go read superman comics.

[wispy pewter]

if he loses there would be no Halo

[empty bloom]

See, that's wrong.

[wispy pewter]

Banished will fire the ring and all life in the milky way will go poof!

[stoic hamlet]

There would because the universe is far larger and more interesting than chief.

[empty bloom]

They don't want to fire the ring. They want to use it to get what they want and they want to use it as an RV.

If your home is literally a superweapon nobody will try to take it from you.

[wispy pewter]

I mean...

sure

[rapid river]

Re: Escharum not deploying his army, as Escharum himself notes, "odds will not break him". Chief's under no obligation to walk up to Escharum's army in an open field, and can move much more freely and faster than any army.

Putting aside the idea of Escharum not trying to kill the Chief (you don't send two of your best assassins to hunt the Chief and say you aren't trying to kill him. I think its more accurate to say that Escharum was testing the Chief by subjecting the Spartan against challenges with the intent to kill, but expected the Spartan to survive.), throwing thousands of troops to kill one individual is hardly an effective use of resources, not to mention difficult when that same individual is spending half the time in Forerunner labyrinths. Yeah, good luck killing him.

[empty bloom]

I would not trust a single word Escharum says about that.

Either Escharum is a moron, or incompetent, or both.

[wispy pewter]

If humans are all reclaimers one of those guardians would sure come in handy

[bronze prawn]

is a brute, he is a moron, incompetent and more

[empty bloom]

The faction literally exists in defiance of that stereotype.

I was being facetious-it's a wildly out of character thing to sya.

[rapid river]

We have no reason to not trust Escharum's word. Especially when we the audience know the Chief's survived stupidly low odds before. High Charity, the Flood, the Didact...

[empty bloom]

He literally lies to his allies in the campaign. Also, the other two are in games with poorly structured plots for similar reasons.

There. Now that I'm out of reinforcements I can talk proper.

[bronze prawn]

hey he managed to piss of the gravemind

[empty bloom]

It's dumb that you can't pause Helldivers 2 when you're playing solo.

[bronze prawn]

either is actually incredible or another weird thing about halo 3

[empty bloom]

The gravemind is always pissed.

[bronze prawn]

I cant stand those gravemind threats and screams to chief, what is the gravemind a cartoon villain

[empty bloom]

Annnnyways.

[rapid river]

And when exactly did Escharum lie in-game?

So Halo 2, Halo 3, Halo 4 and, really, all the Chief focused games are "poorly structured plots"? Not that this directly addresses Escharum's comment on odds not breaking the Chief.

[empty bloom]

Harbinger.

[empty bloom]

Yes, yes, and yes.

Because you're leaving out context on the first one, and the second and third are Halo 3 and Halo 4 respectively.

[rapid river]

And what specific lie did he make to Harbinger?

[wispy pewter]

wonder where is blue team

[empty bloom]

That he'd actually help as promised and try to kill Chief, for the most part.

[wispy pewter]

he did try nd failed

[empty bloom]

Not very hard, lmao

[wispy pewter]

Maybe he's just a dumb brute

[empty bloom]

Yeah the guy who spends literally all his time shouting about how much he wants to fight Chief would totally, totally try to have Chief well and truly killed despite having the opportunity several times and even having a very, very good hunch on where Chief was going.

[rapid river]

I mean, sending two of his Spartan Killers, luring him to the House of Reckoning and fighting the Spartan himself isn't "trying to kill him"?

[empty bloom]

Yes.

Specifically the first one.

I have no doubts Escharum was absolutely trying to kill Chief when they fought, though.

But he was in that for the glory, everything else was done with the intent to weaken him.

[wispy pewter]

like a true Banished

[empty bloom]

Not really. The Banished prize pragmatism, not personal glory.

It's one of the ways they are set apart from the Covenant.

[empty bloom]

(Also, the context on the first is that Chief absolutely does not matter to any sane person aboard High Charity at that moment)

[bronze prawn]

"Man, am I depressed. But hey, just because we lost Escharum, Hyperius, Tovarus, Tremonius, Jega, the Harbinger, a bunch of Chieftains, scores of Lieutenants, tons of our greatest warriors, most of our hardware" All that to "weaked" chief

is weird

[empty bloom]

The Elites don't care because they're getting turned on and everything is trying to kill them, the brutes don't care because they're turning on elites and everything is trying to kill them, the Grunts are just fighting to live through this power struggle, the drones are shooting everything because drones are drones, Hunters are killing everything because they're hunters, so on and so forth.

And when the flood gets involved, it's not worried about Chief-it's worried about the smorgasbord it just got given on a purple platter.

Chief's just one random pixel of green on a 10k by 10k wallpaper that's entirely comprised of blue and purple.

[empty bloom]

Let's break that down.

[wispy pewter]

dude deserves retirement after all he's done. But he's going to finish the fight

it would've been so cool if there were actual alive spartans you can find in Infinite so when you coop campaign you don't play as Chief's twin

[empty bloom]

• Escharum tried to solo Chief (He still had an army)
• Jega tried to solo Chief (He still had Escharum's army)
• Harbinger did not try to solo Chief (Newtana was explicitly helping distract her, and Harbinger did have reinforcements-problably the only realistically truly hard fight in the game)
• Chieftains typically tried to fight you in ones and twos
• "Greatest warriors", hah, I doubt it
• "Most of our hardware" Not even close to accurate, you still have, again, six whole fully stocked warships at minimum
• Hyperius and Tovarus were given minimal reinforcements (It's literally a smidgen of berserkers and a handful of snipers)
• Tremonius' only backup is two jackals

Additionally, most of the Banished fighting Chief had the absolute misfortune of fighting him in tunnels without forewarning, which was the exact same problem they had killing Stone and Sorel.

[unique rune]

Really makes you wonder if Escharum just hated Tremonius

[bronze prawn]

hell i wish i could have played all those bosses

after the second mission my pc put me graphics of ps2

the weapon look bald .....

[wispy pewter]

I think any smart spartan will not put themselves in a situation where they will possibly die

[empty bloom]

They aren't Batman.

So, yeah, they'll try.

[cobalt mortar]

remember when chief said in halo 5 “it would be cool if we were on a halo 5”

[empty bloom]

You don't get to make that choice, though.

[wispy pewter]

remember when chief said "it would be cool if we can have someone else do all the hard boss fights"

[cobalt mortar]

what was your favorite part of halo 4/5

[wispy pewter]

Cortana

[empty bloom]

Osiris' intro.

[cobalt mortar]

😏

[ruby canopy]

That's kind of what I liked about chief's choice. The smart choice would have been to continue the campaign on zeta, the pilot wasn't need at this point, (probably plenty of marine pilots saved at this point) yet he chose to go back for him

Where it would've been easy for escharum to just send endless waves into a room to kill him

[wispy pewter]

I mean canonically probably would happen like firefight mode

[empty bloom]

Except, y'know. Escharum just drowns Chief in bodies until he's out of ammo.

[wispy pewter]

one gravity hammer can kill like 10 grunts

[cobalt mortar]

we need echo-419 instead of the pilot

[empty bloom]

Eventually you just get to a point where you're just sending waves of hunters against a Chief who can't really leave that room.

[wispy pewter]

the banished troops were still wearing their boots

[cobalt mortar]

wtf is this

[prisma sierra]

The infinity

Idk about anyone elsez but sprinting as well

[viscid nexus]

You know, I think the saddest part about Halo: Infinite is that none of the story really makes sense when you try connecting it to Halo 5: Guardians. I still have 6 big questions:

1. Where's Blue Team? Are they Alive? Dead? Missing?
2. The rest of the Spartans on the Infinity, what happened to them? There were nearly a hundred on board during Halo 5: Guardians. Fireteam Taurus, Osiris, Intrepid, Majestic, Bailey, and others have just gone POOF at this point.
3. Where's Captain Lasky and Sarah Palmer? Heck, where'd Halsey end up?
4. Who are the Endless? The Skimmers are just drones, but where's the real enemy at?
5. How did Atriox survive? What is his plan now?
6. What's happening on the rest of Zeta Halo? How come the Banished are only being contested on this one singular continent?

[wispy pewter]

the endless is the harbinger species that can survive the halo rings big DUH

[viscid nexus]

But when do we get to fight them, in gameplay, instead of drip-fed collectible lore?

[wispy pewter]

you literally have a fight with the harbinger

we know theres other spartans around on the ring but 343 made the fates of the captain anhd palmer unknown

[viscid nexus]

I meant as a species! We get to fight one, she's the only one we know about and actually get to see, and The only spartan we met that was still sucking air at the time died two seconds after the fight with Chak Lok

[wispy pewter]

yeah you're fighting harbinger to stop her from releasing the endless...

that was the point

so now there isn't new enemies

yet atleast

[viscid nexus]

Which we never saw after that, and they did return, so where are they?!!

[wispy pewter]

they haven't return yet

[viscid nexus]

Okay, I admit, poor choice of phrase, but still, even with that, there's far too much left unanswered. I mean, the only information we have is drip

fed and not enough

[carmine sleet]

The Skimmers are definitely not Drones, two completely different species

[orchid kettle]

You can basically assume that any established named character who isn't already confirmed KIA is just missing currently but still alive

Which yeah probably means that most of the Infinity's 300 Spartans are dead if they're not existing named characters

[viscid nexus]

I said drones as in machines, not the species

[carmine sleet]

They're not machines

[prisma sierra]

A lot of nameless dudes got killed in Rubicon Protocol

[orchid kettle]

I think the idea currently is that Blue Team, Alpha-Nine, and Osiris were all coincidentally doing something else when the Infinity left to go attack Zeta

[prisma sierra]

I hope blue team is not on Zeta halo

[empty bloom]

Locke apparently got mollywhopped by something, A-9 is pandering to Halo fans somewhere, the rest of Osiris is doing a thing, Blue team is doing a thing

[prisma sierra]

Because if they are on Zeta Halo I feel sorry for the banished

[empty bloom]

I'd be stoked if they like, killed Linda or something.

that'd be pretty cool.

Trenchbird; Professional II hater

[prisma sierra]

Nuh uh not the pretty redhead

Maybe Vale is still on Sanghelios

If Spartan Vs ever become a thing they should for real go back to kidnapping kids

[empty bloom]

Ew. No.

One of a few things that would make me throw this franchise in the dumpster as dumpster schlock.

Ugh.

'Hey we finally managed to stop being degenerate with this'

'Actually nah let's just regress like degenerates'

[carmine sleet]

Can we go a week without someone suggesting that kids should be forced into being soldiers again

[prisma sierra]

How about kids that want to kick alien butt huh

[carmine sleet]

You're focusing on the wrong part

[prisma sierra]

I'm pretty sure the banished and covenant left a lot of angry orphans

[carmine sleet]

Kids shouldn't be soldiers at all

The fact that the IIs and IIIs are child soldiers doesn't somehow make those programs good

[prisma sierra]

You're right

They should be Spartans

Just kidding

[unique rune]

INFANTS

The UNSC should genetically engineer test tube babies to fight their wars for them

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/rwby-weiss-schnee-weiss-schnee-rwby-upset-rwby-volume9-rwby-gif-27617158

[empty bloom]

I am going to explode your breakfast with my mind from now on due to this statement

[high elbow]

I mean. It’s called the Infantry for a reason

[unique rune]

Your threats can’t affect me, I don’t eat breakfast

[latent junco]

I mean you have a point
its not at all a good one, but its a point

[sonic lagoon]

Does the UNSC have any Cyborgs?

[carmine sleet]

Can't tell if the question is rhetorical

[unique rune]

On Reach, a secret military project to create cyborg super-soldiers takes on newfound importance.
I wonder...

[carmine sleet]

Seems a little vague, maybe someone should write a novel that delves into it more

Maybe show their first mission and then cut forward a few decades to show Reach fall

[sonic lagoon]

Marathon had em. The main character was one.

Also yeah, Kat might count, just a cybernetic though, as well as those microchips in peoples heads may count but still very minimal and may not count necessarily as a cyborg. The Pfhor Empire also had a lot of cyborgs, Prometheans Knights to me also count as Cyborgs, in a digital kind of way.

[stoic hamlet]

All UNSC personnel technically fall under the definition of Cyborg.

[toxic dagger]

One question are the skimmers related to the harbinger or banished?

And also what gender is the jackal skirmisher and jackal freebooter?

[stoic hamlet]

They’re related to the Harbinger

[toxic dagger]

Thought so

Plus the skirmisher refers itself to a ship mistress

[unborn patrol]

do any of the armor effects have any footing in the lore? idk how stuff like the flames could be done effectively but some of the team shoulder sigils that look like holograms I could totally see work in their world

even if it isnt lore I could totally see it working in there if they gave it a go

especially if spartan sports are a thing (if the ricochet armor set is anything to go off of)

[prisma sierra]

No it's only multiplayer

But I'm pretty sure Spartans actually wore cat ears

[prisma sierra]

Star Trek told me this is a bad idea

[spark pivot]

Small problem, their test tube babies dont work

[unique rune]

it was a joke
I'm not seriously suggesting that the UNSC do something as morally bankrupt as doing a Clone Wars

[spark pivot]

just sayin ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma sierra]

But clones are based

[spark pivot]

Doesnt matter either way, flash clones dont work, so they cant be used

Or they rather, they work

But not for long enough to make it worthwhile to make and train whole teams for a single mission

[prisma sierra]

Robot army then

[spark pivot]

That already went south with the created "rebellion"

Tbh it was less a rebellion and more a mass AWOL

That turned into a military takeover of the entire galaxy

[cobalt mortar]

use dead spartans and use an ai as a hivemind to control all of them or something

[stoic hamlet]

That’s actually what the Covenant thought Spartans were at first.

[lethal hemlock]

🤓

[wispy pewter]

man zombie spartans would be cool

A UNSC sttyle chappie robot would be so cool

[hardy arrow]

Take all the dead Spartans, infest them with flood, cryofreeze them and then FedEx their butts to the planet you wage a war on. What could possibly go wrong. 😋🫡

[spark pivot]

Considering you just gave the flood a TON of leverage to cause another big outbreak, including a bunch of intel from the spartans, alot could go very, very, wrong

[unique rune]

I think it'd be easier to list what would go right

[hardy arrow]

Okay. What if we use it as last resort. We don't want to "destroy" the planet, for there may still be an asteroid field for example, from which we can mine precious resources, and if we destroy the planet, the field will scatter. But there is a huge covenant war on the surface, with weaponry, that makes it possible to destroy orbital mining ships. The planet is basically lost, but you REAAALLY need those resources from the asteroids for one reason or other. Just drop a bunch of LOBOTOMIZED FLOOD SPARTANS in there and make them consoom. It's better than to waste more precious human lives no?

Lobotomized. 👏 Flood. 👏 Spartans. 👏

[spark pivot]

Thats 👏 not 👏 how 👏 the 👏 flood 👏 works

[hardy arrow]

Lobotomize. 👏 Gravemind. 👏

Just big ol' needle.

[spark pivot]

You would still need to destroy the planet anyways to get rid of the flood infestation

YOU CANT LOBOTOMIZE THE GRAVEMIND

[hardy arrow]

Have you tried it?

[empty bloom]

Welp.

[unique rune]

I
don't think it'd be physically possible to lobotomize a Gravemind

[empty bloom]

It would not be.

The Gravemind utilizes neural physics to be effectively the same at all times, and the intelligence is distributed through all neurological tissue-a Gravemind doesn't really have a brain to lobotomize.

[spark pivot]

Its canonnically not possible

[hardy arrow]

I would try it anyways. I volunteer. Gimme a big ol' stick.

[empty bloom]

The only way you could really lobotomize a gravemind would be destroying so much of its mass that it reverts to a protomind shortly thereafter.

Even then, you're really just kicking the can further down the road, because it'll just come back, and worse, remember what you did.

[spark pivot]

^^^^

[hardy arrow]

Yall are much smarter than I'm.
There is much to learn about the flood and possible ways to lobotomize it for me.
Amma try my big stick technique guys. If you don't hear from me in 7 hours, we need bigger stick.

[spark pivot]

If we dont hear from you in 7 hours, we need a few nukes

[empty bloom]

I'm sure whacking it with a full foreside of the Infinity's MACs would uh.

Well, it'll make a new lake, I guess, but the Gravemind'll likely be all "Oh dangit another setback :C"

[hardy arrow]

Just use Halo 1 Magnum. Boyo got 0 chances.

[empty bloom]

He's not a hunter, so

[spark pivot]

As fun as that would be, what is essentially a space deagle is going to do nothing more than slightly bother it

[slender cedar]

O_O

[marble lion]

Lobotomize the Flood and Gravemind would be impossible. Even try it on The Thing (the alien parasite) it still wouldn't work.

[slender cedar]

How would you lobotomize something that is made of dead things and many many brains anyway

[empty bloom]

I... I just said why you can't.

[spark pivot]

1, it doesnt have a brain to lobotomize
2, see reason 1

[slender cedar]

Even combat forms wouldn't be able to be lobotomized because the brain isn't what's controlling the body it's the infection form

[bronze prawn]

you can experiment with men, you can capture them, you can studied them but you will never fully understand the flood

in the best case you found youself in the point where you begin, in the worst, ||you commit suicide||

[prisma sierra]

Not even the ancestors and the forerunners could beat them

[hardy arrow]

Ye. We need a bigger stick. 80% of my body is prostetic now.

[versed helm]

So how exactly does Iratus work?

[carmine sleet]

He's an AI

He works like other Smart AI

[versed helm]

I see.

[tropic forge]

He's one of the more interesting ideas to come out of the side material in Infinite--human companies attempting to make Smart AI with nonhuman brain donors. I'd like to see more of that.

[tired peak]

when a spartan has a kid how much of the Augmented DNA is transferred

[empty bloom]

Little to none. Gametes don't work that way.

[tired peak]

How much % thoe

1%?

[empty bloom]

0.000000000000000001%

So negligible that it isn't worth considering.

[tired peak]

And dose it work differently with mother's because they are Physically connected through blood flow

[empty bloom]

No.

[tired peak]

Not even the insta blood cloting?

[empty bloom]

See above answer.

[tired peak]

Welp this anser killed my other questions. R.I.P

Will still ask em anyway

Let's say chideen take 50% for this example.

If 2 Spartans have a child whould that have arounf full Augmenteds or still 50%

[orchid kettle]

Spartan 1.1s were children of ORION "supersoldiers", which apparently meant they inherited something

but then also supposedly, somebody pumped them full of drugs as babies and that's what really gave them the magic touch

[tired peak]

Yeah but.. this much*

[orchid kettle]

and that lets a high school girl overpower grown men I guess

[latent junco]

1.1s aren't 110% cannon

[empty bloom]

They're... A goober position, canonically.

One of the franchise original sin type deals.

[orchid kettle]

Probably not. Even the recent Encyclopedia tells us that Orion soldiers, even successful ones, were barely any different than your average Marine anyway

and Spartan 1.1s, at least according to Halopedia, were supposedly weaker than their parents

[tired peak]

Makes sense

Random assortment

[orchid kettle]

Well, itd only make sense in that teenagers would be weaker than their full grown navy seal parents

[tired peak]

But that is training

[orchid kettle]

but you still have them folding other people like omelettes, because the story treats them as superhuman

[tired peak]

Spartans DNA was chemnitz changed

[orchid kettle]

but ORION guys just weren't all that superhuman at all

[tired peak]

But I wanna make a theoretical example

Let's say they get around 50% of there parents

And a child child whoulf have about 25% of the oringal yes?

And what whoulf happen if 2 Spartans had a child. Whould it still be around 50% or more

And 2nd to last what whould happen if 2 DIFFERENT Spartans types had a child

And finaly and spartan II different in genetic transfer because they got Augmented at such a young age or whould it still be 0.000000001%

The possibilitys are insane

[orchid kettle]

You probably don't inherit the augs so much as the innate genetic disposition that makes your body very adaptable to being augmented in the future

Since even in the case of the Spartan 1.1s, which may not even be canon, they had to get their own augs to actually become superhuman

The implication is that they wouldn't have been superhuman otherwise, I assume.

[tired peak]

Whould they be a chance for drict Cellular change chance thoe like Cellular immortality from the men's side. Men always make new Gamates. Women start out with some

[empty bloom]

I always found fixating on offspring augmentations to be kind of disturbing.

[tired peak]

And gametes start out from a starting cell that has that extended DNA Tail

[empty bloom]

I wonder what Merty was gonna say.

[tired peak]

Idk

[dense falcon]

[tired peak]

I need to make a diagram of the spartan offspring

[dense falcon]

You don't, because it's not canon

[empty bloom]

Please do not make a diagram of the Spartan offspring.

[dense falcon]

It's not something TRUE.

[tired peak]

Of cells...

Not embro

[empty bloom]

I can't stutter in text.

[tired peak]

W....w..what d.do.do u mean can't stutter in text

[carmine sleet]

I think the idea of making kids become super soldiers because their parents were super soldiers and the kids may have inherited something from their parents isn't a good basis for a super soldier program

[tired peak]

Not even spartan traits that actually physically alter the DNA

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[tired peak]

Don't spartan II have extended DNA tails on there chromezones for cellular immortality

[empty bloom]

Yeah but it wouldn't be a Halo fan thread if someone wasn't wanting to be creepy about Spartan kids.

[carmine sleet]

I don't think you know how DNA works

[stoic hamlet]

You’d get incredibly diminishing returns, aye.

[empty bloom]

Why even bother WHEN YOU HAVE THE TECH TO DO GENE EDITING ON GROWN ADULTS ANYWAYS

Y'know

LIKE THE IVs

[carmine sleet]

Yeah... Like if the kid of a super soldier wants to go be a soldier, good for them, no need to force it on them

[tired peak]

But don't men constantly make new gametes,

[empty bloom]

Please stop talking about gametes.

[tired peak]

Ok

[empty bloom]

Like, just

Don't force kids to be soldiers

It's not that hard

[tired peak]

Uhhh spartan II's?

[empty bloom]

There are literally thousands of better options

[empty bloom]

Died en masse.

And frankly, IVs have some better feats than IIs at this point.

[stoic hamlet]

The main issue would be the ratio of males to females, really. They won’t be equal and you’ll have a ratio of more or less for each one.

Even ignoring the Spartan aspect here, just simple genetics.

If you have…100 people, but your focus was on genetics, not gender, then you could have 20 men and 60 women, or vice versa, or it could be even more skewed.

By that fact alone the project would be untenable.

[carmine sleet]

Just because they were child soldiers, doesn't mean the concept of child soldiers is good. It's an abhorrent concept that should never be defended

[empty bloom]

^

[stoic hamlet]

^^^

[carmine sleet]

That doesn't mean you can't tell stories about them, Halo is one of many, but it's clear about it not being a good thing

[empty bloom]

Honestly, they're kind of exceptions that prove why child soldier supersoldiers are a horrible idea.

[tired peak]

Just wait till there adults

[empty bloom]

Because you needed to comb for years and you only found 150, could only get around mid-70, and only got like 40 viable candidates.

[stoic hamlet]

They’re a compelling narrative hook. But not a good thing.

[empty bloom]

And even then, some were still headcases.

Looking at you, Black Team.

[tired peak]

What heads* they lost theres

[empty bloom]

... Or just don't earmark them at all. A forced soldier is an unmotivated soldier.

Chaining a wild dog just makes it want to bite you more.

[tired peak]

Very well then... no more child soliders

But cheif was pretty motivated

Or was it cus of cortana

[carmine sleet]

Indoctrination is a helluva way to get someone to fight for you

[tired peak]

O well ima move on now just in case

[carmine sleet]

A terrible way but still a way

[empty bloom]

It's weird that you don't really see the political/philisophical leanings of any IVs who aren't inherently anti-UNSC to some degree.

[tired peak]

Odst member who turned evil?

[empty bloom]

Like, Buck and Tanaka are aware of the UNSC's faults and are neutral; Mickey and Scruggs were outright hostile enough to fight over it. Locke hated them as a kid but is a dutiful hound nowadays. Vale is confused why anyone wouldn't like the UNSC.

You never really see 'true patriot, right or wrong' type Spartans.

[carmine sleet]

Vale my naive Spartan IV, please remember that you almost never existed were it not for your father managing to escape from being made into a Spartan II

[empty bloom]

Vale is so weird.

Super intelligent and allegedly the most intelligent member of Osiris, yet... Politically can't understand why Sloan's people are hostile to them.

[tired peak]

Hmm

[carmine sleet]

Could just be a case of she never really cared for the politics of the galaxy, she had alien languages and cultures to understand

[empty bloom]

Could be. But she also was an ONI intel officer.

[carmine sleet]

True

[tired peak]

Ahhh now I know who.. the spartan that can speak sangheli

Red suit

[empty bloom]

Vale's honestly my least favorite member of Osiris.

[tired peak]

Buck is number 1

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/zanzo-hi-fi-rush-hi-fi-rush-fall-gif-27637664

[empty bloom]

No, Buck is 3rd.

[carmine sleet]

Vale's my favourite for me...

[empty bloom]

I dislike nostalgia additions, even if I like Buck as a character.

Vale annoys me because her writing just feels out of alignment with her squad.

[tired peak]

So who's number 1 on ur list

[empty bloom]

Tanaka.

Who is also my favorite Spartan.

[carmine sleet]

I hope she's doing ok. Wish she gets a book or something soon

[tired peak]

Have u seen HALO: Nightfall

[carmine sleet]

Yes

[empty bloom]

I'm going to be outright pissed if they offscreen her.

[carmine sleet]

Understandable

[empty bloom]

Which I am actually genuinely worried about.

[tired peak]

It was just black team that got off screeed... for now

[carmine sleet]

My bet, she's either on Zeta fighting the Banished, or she's elsewhere in the galaxy

[empty bloom]

Black Team was never on screen in the first place. The drama over them was irrelevant.

They were in a weird comic that few people read, most were upset because "Wow you killed off IIs? Spineless, you have IVs to use for chaff like that!"

Instead of any objective metric of how they were as a squad.

[tired peak]

Guess one of em had no head*

Just fixed up my comic

Picked*

[empty bloom]

Which was mostly goofy love triangle type crap and onyx painted power armor.

They felt like mediocre fanfic OCs.

[carmine sleet]

You seem weirdly fixated on the fact one lost their head

[empty bloom]

Even had a red cortana-coded Smart AI, because ????

[carmine sleet]

Anyway, Grey Team exists so who needs Black Team

[tired peak]

Is was thus commet up here that trench said

[empty bloom]

Black and red aesthetics, weird squad gimmick, out of place romance arc, friendly fire, super high tech secret equipment, poor knowledge of how in-universe firearms work-honestly, the more I think about it, Black Team really does just read like baby's first Halo fanfic.

[carmine sleet]

At least they don't have skulls carved into their visors

[empty bloom]

Yeah, they just have roman numerals. Because... I don't know, someone forgot stencils and spray paint exist.

[tired peak]

Could be worse. Cursed HALO reach helemts

[carmine sleet]

Yeah, they should've just had the number on their shoulders or something

[tired peak]

With Mister chief engraved

[empty bloom]

Honestly, it's funny-you could've instantly made Emile 10X better if you gave him a GUNGNIR helmet to carve instead.

[carmine sleet]

That helmet is funny

[tired peak]

Whoulnd it skewer vision thoe

Cus I got a cheif helmet and I can see the design on the inside of the helmet

[empty bloom]

No.

[carmine sleet]

Mjolnir (And adjacent) helmets are very different to helmets we have currently

Like, your Mark VI helmet you bought is just a fun cosplay prop

[empty bloom]

It's kinda funny how much better Mark IV looks without pauldrons.

[tired peak]

But whould u at least see scratch marks?

[empty bloom]

On Emile's? Absolutely.

Mostly because what he stripped was the anti-flash coating.

So he'd notice when plasma blinded him.

[carmine sleet]

I like to think his engraving is part of why he died, he didn't see more than one Elite drop from the Phantom

[tired peak]

Rember seeing my HALO 4 amouro 4 times in a row in a week timespan?

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/doctorwho-davidtennant-gif-4895323

[tired peak]

I'll show u

#1164394180676681798 message

@carmine sleet ^^^

[unique rune]

eugenics time

[unborn patrol]

I knock that off to poor writing tbh

completely ignoring it on my view of her as a spartan

kind of like cortanas assessment of a cave formation on halo

[empty bloom]

It's weird because I actually think Osiris is written well on the Meridian arc, except for Vale.

[carmine sleet]

Doesn't help there's not much for her to do on Meridian

At least the other three members of Osiris have been on planets while they were glassed

With Tanaka having lived for a time on one

[raven lintel]

Spoiler halo 7: "Somehow Cortana returned"

[carmine sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/back-away-back-away-nope-gif-7856223

[drowsy mesa]

From Facebook's reel about the Banished

[empty bloom]

Really? They can't even get Locke's name right?

[unique rune]

Maybe he has a doppelganger named Jameson Lock

[empty bloom]

Maybe, lmao.

Ugh.

Hyperius just irritates me every single time goofy face is brought up.

Innocent typo, but like, wow, of course, whole thing to have errors on and that's what hit the mark.

[drowsy mesa]

I still wonder why Tovarus says Hyperius is a coward

[drowsy mesa]

Like Jacob Keys

[empty bloom]

Chalk it up to something that likely would've been explained in the story segments that got cut.

[ruby canopy]

I feel the need to point out that these numbers are mostly because of the lack of funding. As it was really expensive because they were built side by side with mjolnir

And the majority not surviving is because this was the first time this level of augmentation was used. And Halsey believed kids had the best chance of surviving the process, if it were adults there would likely be more casualties

[prisma sierra]

The difference between the IVs and IIs is the IIs will kill insurrectionists and not question their orders

And the IVs come from all backgrounds. MPs, Marines, ODSTs and at this point probably even floor sweepers at the UNSC

[empty bloom]

IIs literally questioned this.

[empty bloom]

... Not even close, but thanks for the charming nature of being disingenuous.

Also, it is absolutely hilarious to think floorsweeping isn't 99% of what two of those career fields do when they aren't being told to put guns to heads.

[stoic hamlet]

Of all the generations that will not question orders it would be the III’s. It’s been brought up a few times now that they’re more machine than man in many respects, forgoing morals and any sort of individual focus, instead they’re quite keen to do some pretty terrible things.

The one time we have a III ask not to be put against Insurrectionists it’s because he knows he’d go overboard, and that they were beneath him.

The II’e definitely do question orders though. And show remorse.

[empty bloom]

Wasn't Chief's entire response to the Covenant basically "Oh thank god, I can kill aliens and not humans"?

[stoic hamlet]

Pretty much.

[empty bloom]

Also, I think acknowledging that IVs come from wild and varied backgrounds also completely ignores the fact that for every IV that has moral issues regarding killing other humans, there's another who might take to it a bit too well.

Kind of ironic.

[stoic hamlet]

Yup.

The more varied background means a more varied pool of individuals.

With the II’s and III’s, it’s a lot more static and “predictable”.

[empty bloom]

Half the reason I think they are terminally boring.

[prisma sierra]

That means not all of them are equal then. Because we know there are engineer Spartans and counication experts

Don't tell me they are on the same skill level as an ex ODST Spartan

[empty bloom]

You have a very shallow expectation of human capability.

Very vs.Spacebattles esque.

[stoic hamlet]

Depends on the type of skill set.

Buck might be good at killing, but that doesn’t mean he’s anything other than a grunt. Comparatively, Vale’s skill set lends itself to more options. Or Tanaka, as well.

[empty bloom]

Real life is not an RPG. You don't necessarily have a defeciency.

[unique rune]

That's such a silly and reductive way to look at this.

They all have their areas of expertise and that's why they're all Spartans.

Would you say that some physicians are less valid as doctors because one is a neurosurgeon and the other practices family medicine?

[empty bloom]

My sister is an anesthesiologist. Should I not trust her opinions on liver surgery over my own?

Actually, y'know what, easy test; What do Combat Engineers do?

[unique rune]

they engineer combat, duh

[prisma sierra]

Id understand arms expertise and recon specialist. But I feel like engineering and medics and linguistics can be done by normal humans. I'm pretty sure master chief knows how to set up barricades or tell apart forerunner artifacts since smart AIs prove to be really helpful

[empty bloom]

Annnnd therein lies the shallowness of interpretation.

They can-but there's deeper interpretations, especially in battlefield applications.

A normal Human can comprehend what a Spartan is doing, but the application in the field is different.

[unique rune]

You also don't want to drag down a Spartan unit by saddling them with normal humans lol

[empty bloom]

Also this.

[empty bloom]

So a "Combat Engineer" in reality is also typically the person coming up with how to best breach a structure, and ends up the pointman.

So, would you, as a combat engineer, love to be a squishy fragile meatbag?

When the Spartan, wearing a tank, is using you as a meatshield?

Oh, also, similar cases of a Spartan being better for medics and linguistics can be made.

vale is a competent Spartan and can immediately decipher purposes and languages on the spot.

[prisma sierra]

Idk I feel like tactical breaching is part of the average Spartan training. But yeah having extra training in engineering and medicine should be basic training for a Spartan.

[empty bloom]

A hypothetical medic would be capable of handling fellow injured Spartans when a normal nonSpartan couldn't.

[empty bloom]

It is.

But it's also not trained to the same degree as a dedicated medic or engineer.

I know how to apply a JFAC kit to an injured soldier or airman.

That does not mean I'd do better than a dedicated Corpsman or medic.

I have a general idea on how to best fortify a position for an enemy assault, but I will not do it as well as a dedicated combat engineer.

[prisma sierra]

Hmmm

Huh Vale wasn't even in combat duty before being a Spartan

[wispy pewter]

Probably had training since she defeated two Elites in hand to hand combat

but what reeally pissed me off was a 20 something year old Locke thought he could defeat the master chief

and the fight was soooo disappointing

[unique rune]

She went through the same training as every other S-IV so she's gotta be pretty proficient.

[empty bloom]

Locke was 30. Second, he figured he had a shot, especially with his squad at his back. Third, try fighting someone in their twenties when you're in your 40s. Fourth, Spartan IIs and Spartan IVs are considered physically on par in armor.

Last I checked, John and Jameson weren't wrestling without armor.

Fifth, there's only so much skill you can actually gain in melee.

There is, in fact, a ceiling of melee capability, and Chief was never considered the best II close combatant.

People getting mad over Locke fighting Chief just simply don't know anything about IV lore.

[unique rune]

He also didn't really need to outright beat John, or any of Blue Team for that matter. He either needed to talk them down into coming with them or find an opportunity to get an armor restraint on.

[wispy pewter]

Or he could trust the Master Chief because hmm he saved humanity multiple times?

[empty bloom]

I'd like to think nobody would be naive enough to assume the best.

[wispy pewter]

anyways there is this really funny animation where chief beats osiris in combat

[unique rune]

His job was to bring Blue Team in. Is he supposed to just go back to Infinity and tell them “nah he’s got this”?

[empty bloom]

Yeah, it's stupid, not lore friendly, and is by far one of my most hated things ever of all time. I absolutely loathe every detail of it.

Anyone who likes it immediately gets a -15% relationship malus with me.

I've gotten toothpicks stuck below my nails on a dare.

That animation is worse.

[wispy pewter]

Yes it's weird that the UNSC still doesn't trust 117

[empty bloom]

You say weird, I say sane.

[unique rune]

When he’s rambling about visions of his dead computer lady partner and being weirdly terse and vague with his closest comrades I wouldn’t trust him either.

He may have ‘saved humanity’ but he was in an absolutely terrible headspace during everything leading up to the events of 5.

[empty bloom]

Hell, even until after.

[wispy pewter]

I mean his favorite AI became evil

[unique rune]

Which is probably all the more reason he shouldn’t be so directly involved.

He’s already in a bad spot mentally and now you’ve got someone who was close to him who he thought died as the source of everyone else’s problems, his judgement will almost certainly be impacted.

[wispy pewter]

Yeah he definitely has some regrets but I don't think he will go schizo unless im missing something

[empty bloom]

Meanwhile, Halsey;

"haha I'll bring up Locke as an alternate"

Mother figure of the year, everyone.

[drowsy mesa]

Try to tell that to the community who, even after 12 years, they're still thinking of the IVs as "ODSTs with SPI armor", or deify Chief to ludicrous levels
or even take that animation as canon
or falsify information, like saying "Locke WANTED to beat Chief and proof he's the best Spartan ever" or some childish attitude

[empty bloom]

I have. Several times.

[drowsy mesa]

But well, its the same community who ACTIVELY wishes Locke to be dead, like that will solve world's problems

[prisma sierra]

I think people were just salty their favourite Spartan was punched in the face by a rookie Spartan

[wispy pewter]

idk about rookie but Locke is the youngest amojng fireteam Osiris

[drowsy mesa]

Vale is the youngest (born in 2536), Locke is the second oldest after Buck
Locke was born in 2529, old enough to be a recruited into the S-III Beta Company

[wispy pewter]

funny that Buck is like 50 ish? he should be the leader by age and experience alone

[drowsy mesa]

After what happened with Mickey, he DIDN'T wanted to lead any longer

[wispy pewter]

Oh yeah. I mean Alpha Nine is still a pretty cool squad..

they even have identical armor

[stoic hamlet]

Very much a case where he should have been benched immediately after returning from H4 and if it wasn’t for the Created, he’d also almost certainly have suffered punishment or at least assigned to duties where he can be closely monitored.

And in Shadows of Reach, he himself admits it would be deserved and expected.

[thorn ember]

And that gave you nothing but pain in the brain as you mentioned.

[unborn patrol]

I really wish we get more lord hood. I wanna know that guy is ok

[carmine sleet]

He's been in hiding since the end of Halo 5

[unborn patrol]

yeah

at first I figured he died when cortana attacked but he isnt listed as KIA nor MIA

who knows he might come out of hiding now that the created are scattered

and banished seemingly on a bad term with their leaders dead

will see how atriox stirs that pot when he comes back

[carmine sleet]

The Banished on Zeta don't have contact with the wider Banished forces in the galaxy due to Zeta having moved after Cortana damaged it

[molten pawn]

Hey 👋 trying to see if anyone else wants to form a podcast and small business, am about an engineer level of lore knowledge, not quite the LIBRARIAN but definitely higher than your average Spartan II

[strange pumice]

Cortana mentioned him on Halo infinite campaign

[unborn patrol]

oh true

lack of leadership gotta be wreaking havoc tho

although probably helps that the factions sort out new leaders very easily

[wispy pewter]

at least now the UNSC knows where the zeta halo is.. right? Horvath managed to send an sos

[carmine sleet]

The signal got sent out, but we don't know if or who got it

[carmine sleet]

The forces on Zeta are likely gonna be struggling until Atriox sorts them out. The forces in the rest of the galaxy have leaders Atriox chose to lead if he is absent, like when he was on the Ark

[unborn patrol]

yeah I think forces on Zeta are screwed honestly

with how much chief has taken out already

[wispy pewter]

we need spirit of fire getting that signal

[unique rune]

please no

[uneven maple]

I've always wondered what motive atriox had for faking his death

[unique rune]

He... didn't?

There's a difference between faking his death and going missing after a whole thing where people presumed he died and had no way to verify.

[empty bloom]

"Sir, we received a distress signal from the UNSC Infinity"

'Uh... So? We can't get there, we have no slipspace drive. Thank you for informing me, I guess, Ensign.'

It's so goofy that people constantly forget that the Spirit doesn't have a slipspace drive anymore. Y'know. The thing it uh. Used as a weapon in the first game. Y'know. The entire operative reason for why the Spirit can't leave the Ark.

Y'know.

This Slipspace Drive.

The one in the only thing people apparently remember about Halo Wars 1.

The one that gets slammed into Ripa Moramee.

[wispy pewter]

use magic

[empty bloom]

God, I'm so sick of handwaves.

Or people wanting to be pandered to when it comes to plot decisions.

I'll freely admit hypocrisy on that last one.

[wispy pewter]

idk I just wanna see red team againnn

[empty bloom]

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[wispy pewter]

I read the last ferret book just for 1 page of red team

[stoic hamlet]

Read The Fall of Reach and First Strike. They have Red Team plenty.

[unique rune]

Wanting more Red Team doesn’t have to be the same thing as hamfistedly contriving a reason to drag the Spirit of Fire into a story line that it doesn’t really have any business being shoved into.

[empty bloom]

Also that.

[carmine sleet]

It's more likely that we'll see the UNSC want to take back the Ark once the dust has settled in the aftermath of the Created conflict and we see a team being sent to the Ark encounter the Spirit of Fire

Which would be repeating story beats from Divine Wind but still

Spirit of Fire is not leaving the Ark without help coming

[tired peak]

So with spartan insta blood cloting how whoul blood draws go if there sick and need a blood draw

[unique rune]

Not a single Spartan generation’s blood does that.

[carmine sleet]

I'd be worried if anyone's blood was able to instantly clot

[empty bloom]

Honestly, given the after credits scene of Cortana finding Anders, I would not have been surprised if the original intent was for the Created to be that 'team' sent to the ark.

[unique rune]

Dying of oxygen deprivation as all the blood in my body suddenly clots up inside my circulatory system

[tired peak]

Why do u think Spartans don't bleed so much

https://youtu.be/hqXCTUSsrC8?si=RDyARERhW7SW55lG

[fallow jay]

I’m not sure if the Ark would be a priority. Depending on the state of the galaxy, it may be in humanities best interests to rally behind their strongest worlds and begin reconnecting/rebuilding their forces. The Banished are gunning for them after what happened to the brute homeworld.

We also aren’t sure what the ramifications of the Endless’ release will bring. The Ark is a great scientific curiosity and resource mine but as of right now, the war is on humanities doorstep

[tired peak]

Defect to the banished...

[carmine sleet]

That wouldn't surprise me

[carmine sleet]

I said a team, not a whole army

[tired peak]

Imagine all of humanity on the ark thoe

What whould the sentinels do

[tired peak]

Also isn't the flood on the Arc?

[obsidian thistle]

I wonder if this will be a cause for an ancient allience to reform. Seeing as the San'Shyuum and Humanity groups that dont aline are leading to be the Banisheds headlining acts to cut down.

[tired peak]

Contained but I am sure at least a couple dozen pods are still somewhere on the arc. Because of the Banished opening High Chairity

[wispy pewter]

isn't there already UNSC forces on the Ark or is it just the spirit of fire

[tired peak]

Very few not SoF

I believe

Because who was on the ring first.. Banished or SoF

And there were some research teams there

So I am sure there was a snigfinfemt amount of a armed forces

Sentials are underground hornets

[empty bloom]

Just the Spirit of Fire and some ONI Ferrets. Apparently the Banished slaughtered every single human in the Ark's science camp.

[wispy pewter]

see this is why I want to see war crimes against the banished

[tired peak]

I am sure a few escaped

Unless the Banished is that Chotic

[wispy pewter]

they hunted the humans in the banished as well after what happened to Dorsaic

[tired peak]

Granted they sent amost there entire fleet to the Spartans As soon as the SoF spartans meant Atroix

Yet couldn't they of had peace with the research team. Because they were Open to new members Even humans

[wispy pewter]

nah

thats the thing about the banished

they do war crimes against innocent humans (and grunts apprently)

[tired peak]

But why

For fun?

[prisma sierra]

Yes

They are brutes they are stupid

[tired peak]

Fair LoL

[prisma sierra]

Like vikings except like the Japanese during WW2

[tired peak]

"Come on u dumb apes"

[carmine sleet]

The word you're looking for is efficient, not chaotic

[tired peak]

So who is the smartest Brute

[carmine sleet]

It's contained, and should stay that way, nobody really wants to release it

[tired peak]

Banished released it...

[carmine sleet]

Not intentionally and they cleaned up that mess

[tired peak]

I wonder if any flood is still remaing thoe

[carmine sleet]

It's contained

[tired peak]

For now...

[carmine sleet]

And hopefully for the rest of time

[tired peak]

Idk it whould be great to fight the flood again

[prisma sierra]

No thanks

Right now the villains are the Banished and Created

And the UNSC is already decimated

[carmine sleet]

The Flood are a type of enemy that you have to deal with over everything else if it's on the field, Banished and Created aren't that kind of threat. But the Flood is also extremely rigid in what their goal is, which is consuming all life. The Flood cannot change their goals or motivations for what they're doing. So if you start constantly bringing them back every couple games, they lose what made them such a threat and become more of an annoyance narratively. They worked in the original trilogy because the trilogy ultimately was about stopping the Flood without firing the whole array. Bringing them just because some fans want to fight them again would just diminish that trilogy's impact and make the characters involved look dumb for releasing the parasite they all know not to release

The Banished and Created (And key to this, the Promethean constructs) can be more flexible. Maybe we're dealing with a Brute Warlord who has figured out some techniques that allow for cyborg Banished soldiers and is attempting a power play? That would make for an interesting threat as they wouldn't be like standard Banished

Or maybe we have a Created AI that plans on securing a Shield World that's a cache of weapons. Sure we have seen Shield Worlds before but having Created forces be the threat is something we don't have much of right now so it could be used to explore what those forces would be outside of Prometheans under that AI's command

Both the Banished and Created allow for much more flexibility in what their goals are and their reasoning behind it

[empty bloom]

Frankly, the Created and Banished are both alike in that their flexibility as factions are kind of going to waste retreading tired ideas.

[carmine sleet]

It's why the Promethean constructs are such a good thing to have, they ultimately obey whoever has command over them

[carmine sleet]

That is sadly true... I want them to explore new ideas

Heck, give me a game where we see two competing Banished clans and we stoke the tensions between them

[empty bloom]

It's too bad the nemesis system from Shadow of War got copywritten.

I feel like that'd actually fit the Banished mechanic-wise like a glove.

[carmine sleet]

I have so many issues with WB doing that

[empty bloom]

Anyone sane and decent should

And I wish someone who had capital would fight them on it because it existed before those games

[carmine sleet]

Aye, it'd be like trying to copywrite an inventory system

[empty bloom]

Honestly, the things people ask for don't help, either way.

It's like wanting Jerome to be the new Chief. There's interesting ways Jerome could be introduced to the universe again, but having him be the new Chief would be a huge waste.

[carmine sleet]

But don't you want Edgy McEdge the Death Spartan of the Banished to come in and kill half the Covenant via time travel? /s

[empty bloom]

Ugh.

People advocating for time travel to 'fix' Halo 5 make me shoot blood out of my eyes.

It's a defense mechanism!

[carmine sleet]

See I would have it where people see him as the new Chief in universe but be about Jerome proving that not only is he not Chief, but he shouldn't have to try to be Chief, he's Jerome, not John

[empty bloom]

I mean, I always figured the best way to stick a fork in the problem was having a mixed generation fireteam.

[carmine sleet]

If we get time travel, it needs to be handled really carefully, this ain't Doctor Who were they can afford to play fast and loose with the rules due to having 60 years of history

[carmine sleet]

I'd be down for that

[empty bloom]

Hypothetically, Jerome, two IIIs, two IVs.

[carmine sleet]

So where would Alice and Douglas be?

[empty bloom]

Maybe have the twist be that one of the IVs actually fought alongside Jerome at Arcadia but left on a different ship.

[carmine sleet]

That I like

[empty bloom]

Well, IIs aren't necessarily in fixed squads, and I imagine you could fluff it as being done for the purposes of distributing knowledge.

The IIIs and IVs would be bringing them up to speed and the IIs would be teaching lesser known trade secrets if there are even any left.

Plus, I like the thought of a grizzled IV who's actually physically the oldest member of the squad despite being paired with 'older' gens.

[carmine sleet]

Fair points

Maybe the other two have similar squads or something

[empty bloom]

Yee, that's what I was thinking.

Really, I want to see more intergenerational cooperation in the Halo games. So far it's mostly been idolization or fistfights.

[carmine sleet]

I'm gonna make some changes to my planned Halo OCs

[empty bloom]

Oh?

[carmine sleet]

Because I have one who I had no clue what their backstory would be but you're giving me ideas

[empty bloom]

Ah, fair enough

Glad I could help then

[carmine sleet]

Like my first one is an III, but I think now my second one is gonna be a IV who is in a Rakshasa suit

[empty bloom]

I don't think there's enough good tankers in Halo fanfiction.

[carmine sleet]

Fair

[unique rune]

see this is why I want to see war crimes against the banished
I think gamers deserve to be oppressed.

[empty bloom]

I do not want to be reminded of that tweet, thanks

[sonic lagoon]

Can the flood infect a body infected with a non-flood virus or parasite, like a cod zombie or the dead space necromorphs?

[empty bloom]

Yes.

[unique rune]

I can only assume which one you’re referring to and… yeah we’ll just

not talk about that

[tired peak]

How about a Flood based spin off game

[carmine sleet]

I don't need it

[unborn patrol]

just have flood be an opponent in the zombies game mode in the next game

that game mode has so much potential

[tired peak]

Halo wars 3 with Playable flood fraction

[carmine sleet]

They did that in Halo 4 with Infected Spartans looking like the Flood, people complained

[empty bloom]

Honestly, I wasn't super happy with that from 4 myself.

But for me it was mostly because it broke a lot of custom games that kinda needed classic styled infected to actually function, which is why Infinite's is the best version thus far.

[unborn patrol]

looked sick people just had issues with everything

[empty bloom]

(Allows you to keep your current cosmetics, keeps your Spartan 'normal' so they can function, and clearly distinguishes you from a survivor)

[carmine sleet]

I actually don't get why people hate Infinite's so much

[empty bloom]

Because the community invented this massive 'IT NEEDS TO BE LIKE THIS IF IT GETS ADDED' narrative in their minds, and when it inevitably doesn't match that expectation, it gets lambasted.

[unborn patrol]

I mean halo fans hate change. if theres a fan base known for that its halo fans

[carmine sleet]

Like, they took the concept and made it so much cooler by having it be about the armour being infected by a rogue AI

[empty bloom]

I'd say the cooler there is subjective.

Personally, I prefer it, but I don't care about the canon connection.

[unborn patrol]

its nice that there is one

an explanation to it

[empty bloom]

I care about it because it handles the situation clearly and concisely; It does its job properly.

[fair hazel]

I think I prefer flood

But big issue is that it tied with the narrative but they dropped it

[rocky ember]

Anything that has nervous system afaik.

Even AI (cortana) somehow

[empty bloom]

Logic plague is a known factor because the flood is an all-spectrum 'disease'. Its sentience and influence is insidious, pervasive, and aggressive; And it will seek to corrupt, cripple, and force anything that it can to kill, torture, and despoil.

[rocky ember]

Yes, but it was usually anything with nervous system afaik.

There are some organisms flood can't possess iirc.