#lore-and-universe

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bronze prawn
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she died as all life in the galaxy

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when the rings fire

carmine sleet
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You didn't present it like you were giving an example. And just because a species has been round a long time, doesn't mean that they are going to be diplomatic

rocky ember
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Hende why I said ir efuse to believe that canonically Forerunners were made as 30iq braindeads

carmine sleet
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That was just something the Librarian left behind, she did it at multiple Forerunner locations in the galaxy to guide humanity

rocky ember
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Or?

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She physically gave Janus keys

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Surely that's not something like Cortana, which isn't physical

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Also, didn't The Librarian, and Forerunners in general have safe worlds? So how were they wiped by halo rings (i forgot)

carmine sleet
unique rune
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The Librarian seen in the games is some kind of digitized essence, not the actual Librarian. The real one died on Earth when the Halo Array was fired.

bronze prawn
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the actual librarian is forerruner afterlife taking care of his house plansts

ruby canopy
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Not to mention the forerunners attacked the precursors without provocation. So they haven’t exactly proved to be very diplomatic in the first place

bronze prawn
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while having a married life with the didact for eternity ig uess

rocky ember
unique rune
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I mean the point is that they're flawed

rocky ember
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That one still PHYSICALLY materialized Janus keys

carmine sleet
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You think I agree with the Forerunners shooting first and asking later. I do not

ruby canopy
unique rune
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I mean. The physical Janus Key existed, the Librarian "giving" them to humanity is basically just a fancy user interface.

rocky ember
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If a race has mantle of responsibilirt that means they have proven to be consistent and logical

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Not irrational as much and quick-acting

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For obvious reasons.

unique rune
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The Forerunners didn't prove that they had anything lol

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Their acquisition of the Mantle was seizing it by force from the Precursors

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It was pretty much purely out of ego

rocky ember
carmine sleet
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The Forerunner empire was an egocentric society that thought themselves above all others. They used the Mantle to justify attacking anyone they thought was worth attacking, they saw humanity attacking them and used it as an excuse to use their armies against a foe

rocky ember
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Makes sense, ty

ruby canopy
unique rune
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The point is that the Forerunners were kind of awful in spite of (or because of) their advanced status and that was what led to their downfall

carmine sleet
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Basically

rocky ember
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Although, humans also have flaws. Probably more flaws than Forerunners to be honest

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So, its also weird that they have mantle.

carmine sleet
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And like, you can even look at real world examples where countries have attacked others unprovoked and the one being attacked reacted with force. It's not necessarily because one side is dumb, it's because they hate that they were attacked with no reason given

rocky ember
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I mean, humans had to rely on legit old forerunner artifacts to be relevant, which is kind of ironic

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Post-ancient ones at least

carmine sleet
unique rune
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...Because the Forerunners forcefully devolved humanity.

rocky ember
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Yes im aware, but the post-ancient humans got mantle too, no?

unique rune
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No, they're supposed to grow into receiving the Mantle

carmine sleet
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To quote the Ur-Didact "Humanity has yet to attain the mantle"

rocky ember
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Makes sense. So predecussors just intended it

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Not technically given to humanity uet

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Y

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Still doesnt explain much if flood isn't stopped, even Ur-Didact, even with hatred to humanity and with being of insane mind (due to gravemind mental torture or whatever) should have known better than to fite humans and chief insteas of focusing on Flood

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Ur-Didact is the equivalent of Chief bur for Forerunners race, maybe even greater, I mean he was their "supreme commander"
One would expect of such an individual to have a grain of logical thinking (regarding flood as first dangwr and number one thing to solve, so hatred and humanity fighting would be later)

unique rune
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Except they didn't know about the Flood, and all it looked like was that humans were randomly obliterating Forerunner planets.

rocky ember
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I mean... he fought chief

carmine sleet
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Chief isn't an ancient human

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So not sure why you're bringing him up

rocky ember
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Yes, but at the time of FIGHTING chief

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Is what i meant

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He KNEW of flood

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Yet decided to focus on fighting humans and chief

carmine sleet
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The Flood was dealt with by the time Halo 4 happened

unique rune
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The Flood largely isn't relevant in the "modern" Halo universe

rocky ember
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Ah.

unique rune
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They've generally been contained and aren't anywhere near on the level they were during the Forerunner-Flood War

rocky ember
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I mean, Flood is and always will be a number one threat to everyrhing afaik

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Lets fight chief

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So weird how even ur didact was nah fk that lets gight chief

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Sorry my message got deleted

unique rune
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The other thing is that the Ur-Didact is a bit unhinged and irrational given that he was left to stew in his own madness for millions of years instead of being healed by the Domain as intended

rocky ember
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Wasnt he being tortured by gravemind?

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And then slowly healing later

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Not sure

unique rune
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So of course he's not thinking clearly, and even if he was, the Flood problem is basically "solved" for the time being. What was he gonna do, go off to blow up every Flood containment facility the Forerunners left behind?

carmine sleet
# rocky ember Lets fight chief

We have explained this multiple times, the Ur-Didact had a personal vendetta against humanity, that's why he attacked Chief

rocky ember
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Especially since modern timeline didact KNEW of flood

carmine sleet
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The Flood isn't a threat in the modern day, we have also said this multiple times

rocky ember
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"One spore can destroy entire planets"

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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Maybe im just overrating flood

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But yeah, that shoulda been priprity no mstter what instead of chief and humanity in modern timeline

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By the way

bronze prawn
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indeed youre

rocky ember
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Someone dan explain domain thing

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Wasnt didact being healed?

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Aka tortured by gravemind first

bronze prawn
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there is no flood to combat in the modern universe

rocky ember
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Then later kept recovering

bronze prawn
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there no gravemind no more keyminds no more spore around there

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nothing

rocky ember
bronze prawn
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mostt are contain

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and contain the oubreak

carmine sleet
rocky ember
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Particularly the scene with atriox

bronze prawn
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the zone was purged and high charity plund

unique rune
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The Flood on the Ark was contained until Voridus got twitchy.

carmine sleet
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And that incident was dealt with by the Banished

unique rune
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Which wasn't even until a couple years after the Didact was awakened at Requiem.

bronze prawn
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the outbreak at site 22 was also contained

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delta halo outbrak was glassed

rocky ember
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Makes sense. But even Chief when fighting Ur-Didact didnt try to at least tell him what happened

bronze prawn
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the remain halos are OK status

rocky ember
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Which is also ironic

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Just proceeded to get saved by cortana

unique rune
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Why would John bring up the Flood to the Didact? And why would that even change his mind?

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As far as the Didact cares, it's just "cool you took care of it, time to die"

rocky ember
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Makes sense.

carmine sleet
rocky ember
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I know its chief, he doesnt talk nuch

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M

carmine sleet
rocky ember
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But i expected some dialogue

carmine sleet
unique rune
carmine sleet
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Tempting...

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Most tempting...

rocky ember
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Also, do we know if prometheus knights exist even now

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Surely theres something left after didact died

bronze prawn
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their must be hide or sleeping in some shield world

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some loyal to cortana other not

rocky ember
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Figured so. Id assume theyd join humanity

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No one else left so, not like they have much choice

carmine sleet
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Prometheans are likely scattered across the galaxy thanks to the Created, serving whichever AI they were serving under at the time of Cortana's death

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Unlikely they'll join up with humanity

rocky ember
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How strong were prometheans compared to s4s tho? I know of a cutscene where chief (young chief too iirc) just dealt with like 5-6 of them single handedly

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Prometheans still should be basically op/broken vs flood

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They're built for that anyways, and only that

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Id assume about 5 6 prometheans could rival one brute

carmine sleet
bronze prawn
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he means that trailer

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when the didact captures chief

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and watches his life

ruby canopy
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Chief is near 50 chronologically at that point

rocky ember
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Oh was he?

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well that's good to know

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I thought it was at pretty younger age

ruby canopy
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Even biologically he is in his 40s

rocky ember
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as a flashback or something

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Fair enough

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so how good are modern-day prometheans though

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I do know they get manhandled by spartans generally speaking

bronze prawn
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weaker

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lasky kill some so

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definitelly weaker

rocky ember
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Makes sense, nerfed then

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ty

carmine sleet
# bronze prawn lasky kill some so

That's just something that was done for that cutscene, which is admittedly a weird cutscene in how it portrayed the Knights being so easy to kill

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It's an anomaly, not the norm

carmine sleet
bronze prawn
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understable, but was cool AF trailer

carmine sleet
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Oh for sure

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I remember rewatching it over and over before the game released

rocky ember
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Also since we were at Ur-Didact

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couldn't his insanity/mind torture from gravemind be fixed?

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Didn't Forerunners have ways to "repair" and "self heal" and "heal"

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Especially in safe worlds

unique rune
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The intention was for him to meditate in the Cryptum while the Domain helped cure him.
Firing the Halo Array damaged the Domain significantly and made it inaccessible to the Didact, so that didn't happen.

rocky ember
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a big one at that

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How would domain help him heal anyways? isn't that Cryptum doing it?

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Cryptum does halt your age and puts u in hibernation, not sure if it heals you specifically though

unique rune
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The Domain is an information repository but it's also more complicated than that. It's based on neural physics and does peculiar space magicky things.

rocky ember
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Makes sense, so there is a way to "heal" through Domain?

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I've rather viewed Domain as just a "library"

empty bloom
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IIRC he was supposed to use the domain effectively as a library.

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And that was supposed to heal him.

rocky ember
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Yeah I was just curious how would that heal him

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It doesn't technically "heal"

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It's just.. data stuff you can read/know

empty bloom
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It's just got a bunch of copies of 'Chicken Soup for the Forerunner Warrior-General's soul'

rocky ember
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Ah so basically that information would heal him and anything forerunner/promethean anyways

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Makes sense. Thanks

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And I assume Domain is fully inaccessibe nowadays?

empty bloom
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IIRC that's heading into Epitaph spoiler territory.

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Course, before that, it was accessible-after all, it's how Cortana survived, and her using it as cloud storage to 'dump' rampancy junk code was how she was saving other Smart AI, from the looks of it.

rocky ember
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Yeah im just curious if it can be ever accessed

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since it's damaged

wispy wasp
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had assumed the spartan IIIs joined the program as adults, was jane-A203 really only 9 at her death?

pallid knoll
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the III’s were orphans recruited by the UNSC

wise snow
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You might’ve mixed them up with the Spartan-IVs, who were adults

wispy wasp
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recalled the IIIs being orphans but didnt realize they were that young

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my expecetations of the unsc and oni were set too high

sonic talon
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Most spartan IIIs were only 6 years old

unique rune
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I mean, yeah, when they were abducted. They weren’t augmented and deployed until around 14.

sonic talon
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And didn’t master chief single handedly win against 4 ODSTs?

bronze prawn
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indeed

unique rune
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After being augmented, yes.

minor sky
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Quick question- was the Forward Unto Dawn the only UNSC ship present at the Ark during the events of Halo 3, or is there one I'm forgetting?

hot zodiac
tribal trench
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@empty bloom which helmet do you think would be best for a smart AI taking over mjolnir? which would be most efficient?

empty bloom
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"ULLR was a demonstration program for generation-after-next observation technologies and evaluation of the experimental Mímir interface; both of which require a smart AI to function at their full potential"

tribal trench
dusk jetty
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There is the chimera core too lol amongkle

empty bloom
dusk jetty
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Fully aware of that

bronze prawn
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can the huragok get infected by the flood

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if its the case, how is it works, a loguic plague, more biomass ?

rough thunder
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Well theyre like half biological so yea im assuming they can be infected at least the biological parts

unique rune
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No

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They’re entirely mechanical

rough thunder
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Nah the wiki says theyre biomechanical

unique rune
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While they possess no true tissues or organs, their nanomechanical surrogates so closely mimic their biological analogs that they seem almost indistinguishable to observers.

rough thunder
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Then they can be logic plagued cause theyre sentient

bronze prawn
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so they werent affected by the halos array ?

rough thunder
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No

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Halo array killed beings with nervous systems

tribal trench
bronze prawn
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it took me a while to realize that the reason that i couldnt kill the covies in the room was cause this MF

rough thunder
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U mean in reach

bronze prawn
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yeah

sonic talon
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If the flood can corrupt Cortana then couldn’t it in theory corrupt the rings?

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And force them to stop working?

ruby canopy
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They can manipulate those systems, but I don’t think corrupt them

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If they could I would imagine delta halo would have been rendered inoperable as the flood had broken containment there quite a long time before anyone showed up

sonic lagoon
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Can the flood be affected by substances, like chemicals or other materials that affect living things like industrial chemicals?

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Example would be Trogs from Fallout.

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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O

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Corrana shouldnt be affected bu flood

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y

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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All digital

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Cortan straight up should have just been unaffected like promethean knights, all digital mechanical but with intellihent sentience of a brain of their past

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Cortana is AI, but I view her nk different than promethean knights

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A fully digital/mechanical sentient life

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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Which makes it even more ironic

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Its ancient humans brains in them

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Just the flesh and brain is now mechanical and digital/software

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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Its mentioned in wiki afaik

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The whole point of that reclaim thingy that turns them into knights

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Was to have volunteers

ruby canopy
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They’re humans but reassembled. Kind of like what the flood does

rocky ember
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Who keep their brain-sentience

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In the form of digital/mechanical

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"While the Knights are fully machines, their AI is a result of organic minds transformed into software format via a device called the Composer, unlike the Crawlers or the sentinels which are completely artificial in origin"

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@ruby canopy so if they could possess cortana who is even an AI not even organic sentience brain, its a plothole tbf brcause they cant promethean knights (the flood)

ruby canopy
ruby canopy
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Maybe they could corrupt the prometheans as they do seem to have a semblance of sentience, but their ability to disintegrate/teleport seems to make them unable to be captured

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And once killed, they disintegrate. So that wouldn’t work

empty bloom
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I always figured it was largely pointless for the flood to do something like that-but then, I figured knights were mentally too far gone to actually be 'logic plague' afflicted.

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Kind of like trying to brainwash someone who's already braindead.

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But instead of braindead, it's a shackled, corrupted, insane mind.

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No more logic beyond that which their subroutines force.

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Hence why they seem to absolutely hate being idle, according to 5.

ruby canopy
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That makes sense to me. I guess I was thinking along the same lines since they’re ‘reassembled’ upon being digitized

empty bloom
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Admittedly, I think they should've gone harder into helping players and observers understand exactly what messes up Knights so badly.

ruby canopy
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Yeah definitely. Because I try my best to gather what information I can on the lore and that question of why prometheans can’t be corrupted stumped me. I had assumed they weren’t sentient, like more robotic in nature

empty bloom
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But then, I think 4 needed more room to breathe in general.

reef orbit
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What are we talking about

carmine sleet
rocky ember
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Cortana is even, not even a PHYSICAL embodiment of anything

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And cortana is in fact just a hardware-based hologram/ai

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Kind of like RAM memory, peocessor

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So if flood can possess that, then there is 0 reason they can't for promethean knightd

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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No flesh.

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Also knoghts are technically a copy of humans

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Just in a digital and more "less sentient" version

ruby canopy
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And again, the flood didn’t ‘possess’ her

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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The thing that chief puts in his helmet and brain/body too

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About as big enough to fit in chiefs hand

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Then there is also a "stick" hardware of Cortana (the one before chief faced ur didact in Rio's ship when Rio ordered Chief to hand it to him)

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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What im trying to say it that Cortana is stored in a HARDWARE and is a DIGITAL embodiment of Halsey's brain

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Much like Promethean Knights, really.

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So one being affected by flood and one not. Is weird.

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And possibly a small plot hole.

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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Yes. But thing is they arent affected by flood even without that

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Ur didacr specifies that

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"An ultimate weapon against flood"

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Due to them being fully hardware with a software/digital brain ai of ancient humans in them

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Now, im not opposed to the idea that cortana can be affected by flood

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But that means that Prometheans can too

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Its either this or that.
Either cortana isnt affected and prometheans arent either

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Or both are

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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No, wasn't it because they turn INTO MECHANICAL/HARDWARE mess

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Halopedia-wikipedia specifies that

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That ur didact used ancient humans to make actual mechanicals, but keep some brain-sentience of humans in a digital/software means

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And that alone is simply resistant to flood fully

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Aka, flood cant even go anywhwre in it, becayse its all steel and digital

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Its the whole point of using that artifact that turns them into promethean knights

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To make them not be bionic at all and completely resistant to flood naturally, while still retaining human-like brain thinking and sentience somewhat, in a digitalized way

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Flood spores only affect organic materials no matter what, afaik.

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So naturally, Cortana should be excluded, same with Promethean Knights

rotund nymph
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Do Elite and Spartan energy shields get affected in hand to hand combat?

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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Nothing can be done to them by flood

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They're just mechanical parts

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That due to artifact retains ancient-humans sentience (to some degree) to function as an AI sorta

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Im still wondering how does flood enter Cortanas system

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At all. Its just hardware

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Nothing organic.

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Physically un-enterable

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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I mean surely Cortana also had a killswitch?

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Or hibernate mode or something

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Still doesnt explain how does flood PHYSICALLY enter

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Either Cortana or Promethean knights

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Flood is just virus/spores

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Can't physically enter mechanical things

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Its like covid turnin on my PC

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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Unless flood had physical manifestation that can infect mechanical and digital things

rocky ember
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How do they even CONNECT to cortana

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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Couldnt Cortana just... turn off?

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For the time being

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Since nothing controls her, especially not flood

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Verbal communication-external torture does make sense

ruby canopy
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Apparently not, and neither could mendicant

rocky ember
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Because Cortana can turn on and off when its with chief

rocky ember
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Which still brings you back to how they physically and digitally had conteol and access to her

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Because Cortana had 0 reason to not turn off if she could

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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Yes but my logic is, she can turn off when she wants to

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If she can't, shes not in control

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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How does Flood gain control of a mechanic hardware

rocky ember
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Cortana turns off qhen she wants to

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When with chief

ruby canopy
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Just because she stops talking doesn’t mean she is switched off

rocky ember
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Still gotta agree it's interesting

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Considering they all being mechanical/digital and al lthat

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all*

ruby canopy
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I’ll tell you what’s interesting. I was left wondering how I was in an argument for an hour and an half and it just occurred to me that it is daylight savings time

rocky ember
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Heh

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
# rocky ember Yes, VIA what?

The Logic Plague, which as far as we know, requires prolonged exposure to the Gravemind. Mendicant, Ur-Didact and Cortana all spent time speaking with the Gravemind which allowed Logic Plague to affect them

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While Promethean Knights are likely able to be afflicted by Logic Plague, it's likely not worth capturing one to afflict it since they're not an entity of importance unlike the three known to have been aflicted

rocky ember
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Because the whole point of HALO rings is that it yeets all organic/sentient life that might be food for Flood.

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If flood can affect mechanical things/hardware things/software things, then they can get access to Halo rings too and control it if they wanted. Kinda weird.

carmine sleet
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And again, it seems only the Gravemind can afflict someone with the Logic Plague

ember fulcrum
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My question is Why did Regret jump to slipspace directly over Earth, seemingly without any kind of plan? This led directly to the Covenant discovering the planet in Halo 2

carmine sleet
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Regret was trying to escape from Earth as his forces were losing the fight. He chose to head to Delta Halo as he had the coordinates thanks to the Luminary that told him where Earth was also having Delta Halo's location

native coral
sonic lagoon
bronze prawn
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the composer, the shield worlds, that lenkgolo thing at halo nightfall

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the guardians, trying to find a cure ....

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to humans purge full planets trying to prevent flood infestations ....

ruby canopy
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And not sure on that question. Seems to me that those chems would neither positively or negatively, affect the flood

sonic lagoon
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Alright. Thanks for answering my question.

bronze prawn
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is there any lore way to give sense to the warthog run of CE

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the POA its simply not that big

carmine sleet
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There is no lore to explain that, it's just gameplay taking precedent over lore

last granite
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Forunners discovered that the flood were no good so went to war

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War for 1000 years were fighting ancient humans at the time

carmine sleet
last granite
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As the original gods were the origin of the flood

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Due to

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1

bronze prawn
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so, what the original 12 halos acutally do ?

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how they were ¿overrun?

last granite
carmine sleet
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The Precursors didn't intentionally create the Flood

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It was corrupted space dust

last granite
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In order to stop the flood from reaching different universal galaxys

carmine sleet
last granite
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Precursors were hunted by the forrunners

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Precursors turned to space dust to hibernation and hide from forerunners

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When turning back into Precursors they were corrupted or had some thing happen Turning them into corrupted space dust

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Then formed into metors

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Which hit the neighbouring planets

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Which terraformed all planets

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Forerunners responded with guns

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Flood learnt how to adapt and started shooting back and destroying forerunners ships

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Forerunners started to deploy full armada and starting to build rings

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Flood became a type 5 civilisation

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Original flood at Max in our halo universe when we play as master chief they are a Max 3 civilisation

bronze prawn
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you know you can put all toguether in just one big message rigth

last granite
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I'm using mobile

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Continuing on forerunners started to lose war as they were winning and won war with humans as humans were picked as the successor of the precursor forerunners didn't like that hunted precursor creating flood killed off humans next while fighting flood they were quickly over run as they couldn't keep up eventually leading to the activation of the twelve rings of ant matter aka halo eventually due to the activation of rings all life was destroyed with forerunners having stored DNA and lifeforms to repopulate the universe with the halos and different stations acting as live points for repopulation leading to the creation of modern unsc humans elites prophets grunts brutes jackals etc but with them the forerunners stored flood on board stations for testing in halo 1 they were released by covenant same goes for halo 2, 3 etc broke out and consumed all matter in its way

bronze prawn
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if the forerruners knew that humanity should have heir the mantle

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couldnt leave us more technology as a boost

last granite
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All due to one forerunner ship collecting a sample of the flood which broke out of containment releasing havoc and turning the ship into flood grounds other forerunners ships responded to SOS sent by ship was also corrupted and killed by boarding party of flood kept spreading etc

last granite
bronze prawn
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i know but at the end they kinda make peace for humanity being the new owners of the mantle

last granite
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They hunted and killed all humans but left human DNA as forerunner and humans are the same

last granite
bronze prawn
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like if you want someone to clean your house you give him a good broom and mop

last granite
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And realising the flood was knocking on their main door

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They left humanity or remnants to help out and save the rest of the world fired the rings etc

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@bronze prawn Most scary bit about it is that by the end right before firing the rings the flood got to type 10 civilisation

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Meaning they already spread to different universes

bronze prawn
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damn

last granite
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The rings was to take out our universe

bronze prawn
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the other universes flood is still a theory

last granite
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Meaning elsewhere there is a flood infected world

bronze prawn
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hold your horses

last granite
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All graveminds send a sos message

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Meaning all universes flood will come to earth

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Not even the shipmaster from halo 2 can glass that much flood

rocky ember
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I wonder

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lore-wise

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How much would be chief's pay?

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retirement money? something?

bronze prawn
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quiet huge

last granite
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Well

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Let's say

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Master chief petty officer

rocky ember
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E-9

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i think

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But I believe Chief gets bonuses

bronze prawn
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does chief knows about taxes ?

rocky ember
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and Medal of Honor UNSC equivalent

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for single handedly saving humanity

last granite
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96,000 base pay

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Usd

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But due to his full experience saving the world 6 times over he's was offered a promotion several times but declined the offer

rocky ember
last granite
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That's what it says

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Base pay of a master chief petty officer

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96,000

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Usd

bronze prawn
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he dosnt have anything to come back at earth

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you know....

rocky ember
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or irl

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since irl is diff obvi

last granite
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Basically: A Master Chief Petty Officer with experience has a base pay of ~96,000 USD per year. As a SPARTAN-II, he'd probably fall under Special Forces infantry, which would get him a bonus on top of that, and since he's almost constantly deployed, he makes bank on combat/hazard pay. I'd guess he makes the equivalent of 120-150,000 USD per year.

bronze prawn
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over 30 - 40 years of service

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does the time he spent in cryo counts ?

last granite
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Then plus pension which is 30-40 thousand due to his services plus saving the world should increase it to 60 thousand

last granite
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With the newest possible being halo infinite

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But I doubt that as in halo 3 to halo 4 they built the infinite which would have taken upwards of 50 years

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Meaning a lot of time in space

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That combined with the very unrealistic room and size of the ship

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Worst bit being it's a destroyer

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Cut in half

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The size of the map is half the pillar of autumn

rocky ember
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cause i feel like in Halo universe they earn more

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since they're planetary species and all

bronze prawn
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there the credit i think as money

last granite
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No that's realistic unsc

bronze prawn
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no dollar

last granite
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How much they earn then multiply by modern earth

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So possibly upwards of 300 thousand but I doubt that

bronze prawn
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to simplyfi

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hes wealthy AF

cursive dove
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I didn’t play halo wars 2 but I was wondering what happened to captain cutter and the spirit of fire crew since chief fights the banished on installation 07. Are they stuck on the Ark?

last granite
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Put simply half way through the game

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The scientist using a warp hole

bronze prawn
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i got a warnig for saying bad occupied

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geez

last granite
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Goes through space and leaves the spirit of fire

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Stuck to wait as she says she'll be back

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It's been supposedly 200 years when they pop up

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So another 400 should give them time for halo wars 3

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As for halo wars 2 they stole back the new ai Isabella all of red team was wooped by atriox due to their outdated armor and him ambushing them

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They later beat atriox

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And his crew

last granite
bronze prawn
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I understand didact hate ot AIs in epitath now

last granite
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Yeah he was ambushed by the librarian

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Or betrayed

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Then was in cryo causing forerunners to lose flood war

bronze prawn
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the librarian with a rifle is still akward

last granite
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Yeah

carmine sleet
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bronze prawn
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shouldn t by logic the spirit of fire run out of men first ?

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i havent play any halo wars so I dont fully understand

rough thunder
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They had like 12k people i think

carmine sleet
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Also the gameplay shown in Halo Wars isn't exactly 1 to 1 with how the events actually happened

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Am I the only one that missed the Halo Encyclopedia outright saying that the Xalanyn had an active presence in our galaxy? Even after most of their species was imprisoned. That they could be the meddlers of Alpha Halo and possibly the cause of the Flood outbreak on Delta Halo.

carmine sleet
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I don't think any external factor caused the outbreak on Delta

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But the Xalanyn being the meddlers is possible

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But we just know nothing about those meddlers that crashed on Alpha Halo outside of what their ship looked like and that Spark sealed the ship away in a structure

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It is also possible it's a speices completely unrelated and we never get an answer

obsidian thistle
carmine sleet
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That's fair

obsidian thistle
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"meddlers" would be more apt.

carmine sleet
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It does seem like people think that they're a single species when it's been used to refer to many different species, not just the unknown ones

unique rune
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Making the Xalanyn responsible for both those things would be a terrible idea anyways

rough thunder
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343 is no stranger to terrible ideas

unique rune
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A species with minimal presence due to largely being imprisoned, apparently stumbled across two Halo rings by coincidence and caused major problems on one of them?

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Brilliant way to make your universe feel tiny.

carmine sleet
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I think having a Xalanyn ship crashing on Alpha is fine, since that ship never had any occupants exit, but they definitely shouldn't be responsible for Delta Halo's outbreak

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Regardless, I don't think we need to know what was inside the ship that crashed on Alpha Halo

rough thunder
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I mean it was also like a ton of time after the halos were activated

carmine sleet
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Not every mystery needs to be solved/answered

rough thunder
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Like thousands of years so its not out of the question that they just explored a ton and then found it eventually

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What would make less sense is that there is no xalanyn presence on other planets

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We dont really know enough tho

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unique rune
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Space is huge and the Halo rings were placed in a way that just makes them inherently difficult to find, having the same barely-present species find two of them by accident is silly.

It's already silly enough that humanity found one by accident (and one by almost-accident).

carmine sleet
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Do we have a date for when the Xalanyn were punished on Zeta Halo?

carmine sleet
rough thunder
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Idk id guess it was the same year the array was fired though

unique rune
empty bloom
rough thunder
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Lmao

carmine sleet
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Ok, based on that date and the date given for the ship crash on Alpha, I don't think it was a Xalanyn ship unless it was one that managed to escape from being punished by the Forerunners, but I doubt it was

rough thunder
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Those two events are like 50k years apart dawg

carmine sleet
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And now I see why people think meddlers were involved in the Flood outbreak on Delta...

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carmine sleet
rough thunder
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My point is that 50,000 years is enough time for anything to happen really

carmine sleet
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We also don't know the natural life span for Xalanyn either

rough thunder
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We just dont know how many xalanyn were not imprisoned

carmine sleet
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Or much else about them really

rough thunder
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And then theres the fact that they can like edit time

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So its all speculation

carmine sleet
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Aye

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I do hope they are like starfish like in the concept art for Harbinger

rough thunder
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I just wonder how atriox initially found out abt even the existance of the xalanyn

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Id assume the fact that they even exist was kept under wraps

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And prolly only known by the monitor of zeta

carmine sleet
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My guess is from data on The Ark

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But that wouldn't add up

rough thunder
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The ark couldnt have known

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number 1 is it annihlates the compartmentalization protocol

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And 2 it happened after the firing

carmine sleet
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I think at the very least Atriox found Zeta via the Ark's systems

rough thunder
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Well yeah

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But he wouldve had reason to travel there specifically and apparently it was because he found out about the xalanyn on there

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You can find any ring from the ark

carmine sleet
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Do we have a solid date for when Doisac was destroyed?

rough thunder
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2558?

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November 2559

carmine sleet
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Was it really that late in the year?

rough thunder
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It kinda makes sense if you think abut the events of halo wars 2

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Because infinite is 2560

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Plus some like really late 2559

autumn plaza
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They don't have to be involved in either event. The Encyclopedia just says they visited Forerunner sites.

bronze prawn
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why didnt the sentinels of the ark destroy high charity

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im sure they had the firepower to do so

rough thunder
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That wasnt a priority

bronze prawn
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and his primary mission is prevent any more flood outbreaks

rough thunder
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Yeah at that point the flood was everywhere on the ring

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Or the ark

carmine sleet
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The Flood outbreak in HW2 was pretty contained

bronze prawn
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also the one at delta halo, look what happened when you contain and not destroyed

carmine sleet
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It's just odd that High Charity wasn't completely cleansed in the first place after the events of Halo 3 since it's not a Forerunner facility made to study the Flood

rough thunder
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I mean they did basically what they could to stop another outbreak

autumn plaza
carmine sleet
rough thunder
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Maybe the monitor just thought it was easier to make shield (which was protocol) and post sentinels than raze the entire thing

carmine sleet
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Maybe

bronze prawn
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we will never know

rough thunder
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Well that doesnt fully explain why they got out bc there should be automated systems to stop the flood from escaping

carmine sleet
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Installation 08 firing did cause damage to the Ark, so it could be possible that making enough Sentinels to deal with High Charity's ruins was not possible and the best that could be done was containment

rough thunder
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Yeah i guess but solitude or whoever the monitor was i forget put monitors outside of high charity

bronze prawn
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so spark plan when he saw the POA, was to equally kamikaze their sentinels

rough thunder
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But yeah we dont really know the extent of the damage

bronze prawn
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or the ring itself has some big defenses

rough thunder
carmine sleet
carmine sleet
bronze prawn
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i mean in the terminal he treathens

rough thunder
bronze prawn
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the human ship to retire to at least one ligh yeAr

rough thunder
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So he probably wanted to do that as revenge too

carmine sleet
rough thunder
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He prolly wouldve just used the ring's cannons

bronze prawn
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there was a countdown and all

rough thunder
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Yea what abt it

carmine sleet
rough thunder
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He did that because he didnt know the reclaimers were on it

carmine sleet
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The countdown is just to give the ship a chance to fall back

rough thunder
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Once he scanned it and saw that then he let them land

bronze prawn
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so there was those "big defenses" at the 04 but no at the ark

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that kinda weird

carmine sleet
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Just a shame that the Covenant just happened to be there as well, I bet Spark would've had an interesting conversation with Keyes

rough thunder
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Bro had like a million chances to do stuff tho which i dont understand

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He couldve talked to the humans, he couldve stopped them from opening the flood containment facility

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I have 0 clue why he decided to intervene AFTER the flood were released

rough thunder
carmine sleet
rough thunder
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Didnt we see them in hw 2

carmine sleet
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We see some I believe

bronze prawn
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oh yeah i remember those

carmine sleet
bronze prawn
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i never like the desing, its more like a eye and 3 arms

rough thunder
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Spark shouldve acted the second the covenant started poking around there

bronze prawn
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i mean its reazonable to think that spark want to gather some intel

rough thunder
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Monitors in general just dont... interact with whoever is on their ring. lol

bronze prawn
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hes been alone for centuries or more

rough thunder
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Yeah thats why im saying he couldve talked to keyes or anyone really, WAY earlier

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He just did literally nothing until after the flood were released

fair hazel
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He went to see the weird covenant AI

bronze prawn
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that AI particular

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seem to know way more that it should

rough thunder
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Yes but again spark can do multiple things

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I find it hard to believe that access to a containment facility doesnt set off some alarms in the ring's network

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But then again CE has its fair share of lore issues

carmine sleet
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Simply the nature of it being the first game

rough thunder
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(why did we have to go through 3 levels of the library when the index was... right there)

rough thunder
bronze prawn
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couldnt spark gather some more humans to got to the library

rough thunder
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He actually did

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Before chief he brought a marine who died on the last floor

bronze prawn
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still one single marine

rough thunder
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The next one was chief who made it and then there was no point to bring more

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One person is probably better honestly

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But again probably just a lore things

last granite
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empty bloom
last granite
carmine sleet
last granite
last granite
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It also probably has something to do with the lack of sleep

carmine sleet
last granite
last granite
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With how events actually occurs

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It's not supposed to the games give you a general understanding but the books lore and smaller games give you insight and understanding of the events that transpires

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Yes sometimes they will from time to time give lore and information but usually a good place to visit is the halo wiki or for more specifications or terminology that you wish to see in what you search you could ask a fellow person or simply search it up

last granite
# carmine sleet It's just odd that High Charity wasn't completely cleansed in the first place af...

Their main priority at the time was to contain and eradicate all flood they could which was difficult when you see how densely packed high charity was it makes it difficult to kill all flood especially with flood spores and a large grave mind having already been Developed they instead moved to containment and evacuation which the second part they never made to due to the entirety of high charity having been overrun

last granite
carmine sleet
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last granite
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Delta halo is more challenging seeing as they had more security

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But it's probably for the same reason to escape and consume all matter or if I'm correct and delta halo was halo 3 then originally to stop the prophet as he was to fire the ring which would destroy all life including the flood which would kill off its main food source and it would starve

last granite
last granite
bronze prawn
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penitent tangent had one job

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and failed miserably

last granite
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Yeah

bronze prawn
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the forerruners really know had to put really cool names to their monitors

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adjuntat resolution - desponet pire - penitent tangent ....

last granite
# bronze prawn so there was those "big defenses" at the 04 but no at the ark

Mainly because arks defences lied In the sentinel and the forerunners they're once apon a time were created from the ark so safe to assume that during construction they needed more sentinels hence the lack of canons but its also due to the position of the rings the closest one can still defend the ark to tell anyone attacking to turn around

last granite
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Monitors were originally created to be a addition to the libarians collection of data collection and archives

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But were eventually used to help assist the forerunners late into the flood war

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Eventually with the creation of the rings they were designated the new mandatory owners and moderators of the rings as they were not biological therefore they could resist the rings firing

last granite
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If not then there are multiple deleated scenes online that can serve as examples

bronze prawn
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blast the enduring conviction seems way more practical that just doing kamakize stuff

last granite
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Hmm indeed but if we think about it the monitor was probably thinking that he wanted to be a thorn in humanity side

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After all he could've fired up the anti life form system

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Which would 1 contain and depressurisation all lifeforms killing them off if they didn't have solid oxygen

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2

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Burn them alive

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3

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Would eradicate all life forms in space with point defence systems and long range drones

last granite
last granite
reef orbit
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Just finished contact harvest. Amazing book. Not as good as ghosts of onyx

ruby canopy
rough thunder
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100% the ring is at risk if the flood gets released

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Almost every time humanity finds. Ring with the flood out of containment it results in the destruction of the ring

rough thunder
rough thunder
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By extension then there should’ve been outbreaks on every ring. But I think it’s safe to say its all conjecture until we have more info about delta if ever

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# reef orbit Which book do you recommend

If you’re gonna go from one to the other, I would recommend cole protocol first. Get to know a few Spartans/humans and a good storyline. Then cryptum, because I would recommend sticking with the forerunner trilogy one after the other so no information is lost

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The forerunner trilogy is pretty interesting with the insight as to how forerunner society operated

reef orbit
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By series I mean like rion forge and the ace of spades or the ferrets or gray team or master chief and blue team

dusk jetty
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I enjoy books that directly relate the the games in some capacity, like Shadows of reach or First Strike. Not necessarily a novel of the game but important to the game, if that makes sense.

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That’s my two cents

ruby canopy
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The forerunners are interesting, but I definitely am biased towards stories regarding the spartan 2s and 3s

reef orbit
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How about your favorite independent book

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I've only read one so I'm gonna say contact harvest

ruby canopy
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Another really good book is halo evolutions, because that is a collection of short stories that are all really good for the most part

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last granite
last granite
rough thunder
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To maintain the rings

rough thunder
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Not to let it happen and then say oopsies let’s deploy sentinels and fire the ring now

last granite
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Here's a few old answers

The Meddlers.

Soon after the Rings fired, some people got into the quarantine facility on 05 and broke them out. Its explicitly mentioned this was too early, so it cannot have been from the reseeded races, so its possible these Meddlers are of extra-galactic origin.

What happened once they got out? did they consume these Meddlers? we don't really know, its possible but all of this is speculation and implication.

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The whole idea behind the Flood is that they spread through the infection of sentient beings, collecting enough biomass and intelligence to eventually form a gravemind. As far as we know, none of the Halo rings contained colonies of sentient life in the post-firing era. Yet somehow, a flood outbreak was able to manifest itself merely 3000 years after the firing of the rings, without the use of any additional biological hosts. Better yet, a Gravemind was able to form shortly thereafter. (he implies in the game that he's been sitting in the bowels of the quarantine zone for a long time.) How?

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Only one guy has pointed it out so far but there were meddlers that broke into the flood containment facilities on the halo ring, most likely extra galactic in origin because they broke its containment before any reseeded races have even achieved space travel, and caused the flood outbreak on the ring. Its possible that the flood consumed some of these sapient beings and acquired pieces of there technology, rapidly growing its intelligence and allowing the flood to escape containment. There are large amounts of plants and animals on the surface of the ring that the flood could consume to sustain itself to, animals count as sentient. Even with no functioning monitor and a highly intelligent and powerful gravemind the sentinels managed to contain the outbreak to a small portion of the ring, which is impressive.

turbid wedge
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why there was flood on instalation 04? Or... Better question, why would they lock them on the place that (kills them).

last granite
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The flood spread explosively through infecting lifeforms and consuming biomass but they can also spread by consuming nutrients in the ground and flora albeit very slowly. Its why the quarantine zone was a walled off sub zero wasteland. It was to kill off the plant and animal life in the area to stall the flood spread until the Monitor could enact higher level security responses, which of course didn't happen.

last granite
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More importantly when inside the ring when it fires it only sends a outer shock wave so all biomass inside the ring is safe

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The forerunners saved some for research, looking for a cure in case they ever returned

Afaik

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But quote the rings could never kill the flood they could only kill off their food source

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Depending on the form, they could be held in fluid filled stasis chambers like the ones seen on the Halo 3 multiplayer map Cold Storage. This map is set deep within Installation 05 and is a Flood research lab. On this map a Flood tank form can be seen held within a stasis tank.

turbid wedge
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So thats why halo kills all living beings instead of just the flood? They Didnt have cure?

turbid wedge
last granite
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First one is from hiddenxperia is from 1 day ago about the disturbing mystery of the flood cure

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Second one is for is there a cure for the flood?

turbid wedge
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Thank you! I'll look on it when I'll be home from Middle School😄

carmine sleet
last granite
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@carmine sleet Quote I said Quote a very old answer that is the most logical with our current information and options

last granite
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I had to see all of it

carmine sleet
last granite
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As for the passive aggressive it's how I type I don't mean for people to perceive me as a passive aggressive person

turbid wedge
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Guys chill. Remember your training spartans. 😁

last granite
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@turbid wedge Sorry Spartan just a little bit agitated at the covenant today they stole my coffee and I need it back 😅

turbid wedge
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😁

dreamy shoal
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Is it explained why the Dreadnought crashed on the San'Shyuum homeworld instead of arriving at Earth?

last granite
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The Keyship, later called the Dreadnought by the Covenant, was one that had remained on the Ark after the reseeding. A fragment of Mendicant Bias managed to escape his confinement, get into the ship's systems, and leave. He had hoped to go to Earth and help Humanity, but ended up crashing on the San'Shyuum homeworld.

Millenia later, in 2525, the fragment "woke up" and tried to detach the ship from High Charity to complete his task. In the process, he revealed to 3 San'Shyuum, later the 3 High Prophets we know from Halo 2, that Humanity was meant to inherit the Forerunner legacy. With the help of some Lekgolo, the San'Shyuum disconnected MB from the Dreadnought's systems and, in order to hide the truth they just learned, started the Human-Covenant War.

last granite
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Quote he was unable to control it

dreamy shoal
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Thanks for the answer

dreamy shoal
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Still crazy to me that one of the smartest "beings" in the universe ( or a part of it) manages to crash a ship

bronze prawn
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and cortana says that is helping figthing with her

last granite
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Due to her chip still having been recently disconnected after been connected to chief and cortana conscience it resulted in hallucinations and momentary occasions where she would ask chief for help etc

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All Cortana Whispers Source
"If you knew how you were going to die..." ~ Halo Infinite Cortana (Various)

"They'll pair you with another AI..." Halo 4 Cortana (Composer)

"All space. All time..." ~ Walt Whitman, Eidolons (Leaves of Grass)

"Darkness had stretched its color..." ~ Aldous Huxley, Waking "[Humming]" ~ Claude Debussy, Prelude No 4 (Halo 5 Legendary Ending Cortana)

"They let me pick..." ~ Halo 3 Cortana (Arrival)

"Could you sacrifice me..."~ Halo 3 Cortana moment (Sierra 117)

"It had to be this way." ? "I'm here. I'm with you." ? I thought these were from the H4 ending but doesn't seem to be the case, not sure if they're quotes from another part or just echoes of Infinite Cortana

"There will be no more sadness, no more anger, no more envy" ~ Halo 5 Cortana, "Speech to the Galaxy" (Guardians)

"You found me..." Halo 3 Cortana (Cortana)

"You saved us." ? "Forgive me." ? "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing..." ~ Rumi, Out beyond ideas

"This place will become your home, this place will become your tomb." Halo 3 Cortana moment (Crow's Nest)

"I feel certain that I am going mad again. So I am doing what seems the best thing to do." "You have given me the greatest possible happiness. You have been in every way all that anyone could be." "I can't fight any longer." "What I want to say is I owe all the happiness of my life to you." "If anybody could have saved me it would have been you. Everything has gone from me but the certainty of your goodness. I can't go on spoiling your life any longer." ~ Virginia Woolf, suicide note

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This can be linked to the connection between the two being so strong that even when the chip was disconnected chief could still see and hear glimpses of cortana of the past

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It can also be linked to onset rampancy due to her slowly losing her mind

dreamy shoal
last granite
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If I'm remembering correctly

carmine sleet
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The terminals, where there's messages from Mendicant addressing Chief

grim raft
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Hi. Is anyone able to link me a place that has the full Halo books and media canon order? I have been following a couple of great ones but it doesn’t seem they have been updated for a couple years.

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bronze prawn
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when we stare at carter for long he says that this was in our file

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it that means noble 6 lore accurate stares at people for akward amounts of times

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dreamy shoal
sonic talon
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Bruh that is something people say 💀

dreamy shoal
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Ik bro

tough edge
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Does anyone know roughly the Banished vs. UNSC presence on Zeta Halo after the campaign? Is it about even or do the Banished still outnumber UNSC?

tribal trench
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the banished way outnumber the UNSC afaik

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iirc there’s only a couple of frigates and the Infinity’s worth of UNSC forces on the ring

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most of which are very dead

tough edge
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Oof, yeah i figured the numbers didn't look good but... well...

empty bloom
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And whatever happened to the original Zeta Garrison.

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Which still isn't much.

tough edge
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Yeah. Not looking too good, but I'm curious if the next game will be on Zeta still or elsewhere + what the time difference looks like. Guess time will tell

tribal trench
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i think there was also 2 or 3 destroyers mentioned in that one Rion Forge book?

tough edge
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I'm a huge HW nerd so of course I wish the SOF would come, but it's a stretch imo

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Plus, they'd be heavily outnumbered and.... yeah.

empty bloom
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You're acknowledging that it's a stretch, which is frankly better than most people who bring up the SoF.

tough edge
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I like to think I'm fairly rational 🙂

empty bloom
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The Infinity got mollywhopped because as strong as it is, it's still not actually a fleetkiller vessel like... Well, I don't think Halo really has fleetkiller vessels that aren't just punching down on lower tech folks.

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Considering there was apparently an entire damn Banished fleet that showed up (Which would've been nice to see)... Well, unless Cutter's crazy plot powers kick in, I see it falling a lot faster than the Infinity allegedly did.

tough edge
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That's what I mean, we have a "state-of-the-art" ship that was ambushed and taken down (whether you believe Escharum's whole minutes comment or not), and the SoF was definitely not that advanced/armored/prepared.

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So to wish them there is almost certainly a death sentence

empty bloom
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I always figured that was how long it took for an abandon ship order to start after initial boarding tbh.

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With the actual engagement taking significantly longer.

tough edge
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Yeah, "disable" could mean different things to different people, plus Escharum is known for his theatrics

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ie: taken with a grain of salt

bronze prawn
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lasky decide to abandon the ship way to soon

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only 4 minutes, a ship like the infinity should have give a hell of a figth

stoic hamlet
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I’ll be honest, I miss when Halo didn’t have “hero” ships.

Even the special Pillar of Autumn only lasted a single engagement against a large fleet that itself was handicapped by not being able to fire in Halo.

Even the Iroquois, with it’s non-standard racing stripes, wasn’t kept very long and traded for the Autumn, the Midsummer Night was a pet project that didn’t really ever get involved in a large engagement, and was again discarded immensely once it’s use was up.

If the Spirit crew comes back to the regular galaxy/get the chance to, the same should happen to them.

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Out of The Pillar of Autumn, In Amber Clad, Forward Unto Dawn, The Spirit Of Fire, or Infinity what are your guys's favorite ship

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bronze prawn
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Keyes had the particular justice fleet behidn him and some covis already onboard, still he keep the figth until the his MAC was KO

ruby canopy
bronze prawn
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the situation of the infinity wasnt that much better ....

ruby canopy
bronze prawn
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the infinity has been runnin and hiding from cortana and his created, earth is under siege and the rest of the galaxy on a similar stage

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their the most important humans ship available and theres barely half of the crew

ruby canopy
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If not for Atriox they would have been successful, most likely

bronze prawn
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they even had a scourt fleet of six frigates

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I mean, lasky and humanity at that point know what the ring can do and what can it keep, and how dangerous can beif is left it to the banished or the created

ruby canopy
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It’s hard to say what they should do at any given second in a situation like that, but the infinity had a lot more to lose than the poa did

reef orbit
reef orbit
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I haven't read halo epitaph but is there an antagonist and if so who is it

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
severe relic
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I got a question about forerunners

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Do they all have those like pink sacks on the side of their head or is that just the Ur-Didact and the IsoDidact

scarlet quiver
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🤔 that is a good question. Imma gonna look into that.

reef orbit
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Does halo epitaph have an antagonist. I haven't read it yet but I'm just wondering

fair hazel
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Here is Faber

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carmine sleet
reef orbit
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Where can I go where my question will be answered.

rough thunder
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@reef orbit ^

rough thunder
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Idk if u did or not tho

celest lake
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Can someone please explain to me who the Grand Edict was in the lore please

rough thunder
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Well we dont know much about him other than that he survived the firing of the array and was the one who told the monitor of zeta to imprison the xalanyn

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So he was likely on the ark alongside born stellar when it fired but again we dont really know anything

celest lake
rough thunder
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No problem

autumn plaza
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Why are Forerunners so young? The Ecumene is 10 million years old. The oldest Forerunner leader is the Librarian at only 12,000 years old. Where do old Forerunners go? What happened to the previous administration?

unique rune
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I mean we don't really know enough about the Forerunners to say anything about... any of that.

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Maybe they were killed, maybe they retired. You try doing the same job with the same people for a couple millennia and see how you feel about it.

rough thunder
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I mean they probably just did random stuff ig its not super uncommon to think that there was a long time period between the uprising of forerunners and then the firing of the array.

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Its strange though because im pretty sure the capital of the ecumene was built pretty close to the firing of the array like within 50k years. And last i checked theres conflicting info of whether they undertook the mantle right after they swept the precursors or sopme time period within 100k years of the array firing

quiet hearth
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how would a spartan 3 on steroids do against a spartan 2?

empty bloom
quiet hearth
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cool

steep drum
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I hope the Endless look cool

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I mean the Harbinger and Skimmers already do, but still

carmine sleet
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The Skimmers are a separate species, known as the Gasgira. Given that Harbinger commands them, my guess is they're a species that is subservient to the Xalanyn

steep drum
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I personally think the Gasgira and Xanalyn are aquatic in origin

Just judging by their need to float around and their spindly hooked legs (like crustaceans). They probably used them to move along the sea floor and had a lot of trouble moving on land.
Then again they could’ve been tampered with by the Precursors or another race at some point

autumn plaza
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I like the aquatic species idea. It makes a lot more sense than them being land lovers.

tough edge
carmine sleet
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It's actually pretty similar to standard Mark V, lacking the neural lace of the standard one is the major difference in functionality

empty bloom
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^

stoic hamlet
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It’s just Mark V without the AI port, in basically all respects, yeah.

unique rune
orchid kettle
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Technically, I don't believe it's ever stated that the augs themselves are the cost cutting part

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Halsey wanted to delay the Spartan-II augs originally so they'd be safer, but the UNSC rushed right ahead regardless

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so for all we know, these augs are just safer because it's been however many years since the IIs, and the technology has just come a long way

ruby canopy
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Mjolnir was crazy expensive and they just couldn’t afford anywhere near the 900-1000 suits needed

empty bloom
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There's this utterly asinine assertation that "The more lethal the augmentation, the stronger the end supersoldier" in Halo, which isn't necessarily true nor is it the sole indication of worth. Which, makes sense, because most people are inherently really bad at scaling proportional impact on final product through traits into an aggregate result by initial observation.

It's not about being unable to think, it's taking shortcuts to think.

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Spartan IIs are considered the 'strongest' because their acquisition was the most extreme and their augmentations were the most limited and lethal in distribution. Clearly, this makes them the best, and well, you want the best, because the best is objectively the best, and you want all the bests.

Well, no. Not really. It's pretty much the trope of 'super prototype' in the most pleasant way of viewing them, because they have a lot of downsides that tend to get ignored in favor of their positive qualities.

  • Ethically bankrupt (IIIs are too, IVs aren't)
  • Almost comically expensive (In terms of warfare waging capability, the entire fleets that could've been bought with the II program would've been more useful in terms of actual power projection, instead of a poorly conceived punching down counter-insurgency squad)
  • Fraught with design peril (Nearly half were crippled or killed by training and augmentation)
  • Need to have all deployments kept under wraps (Not managing to properly do this has gotten Spartan IIs killed)
  • Need to have low-risk extracts more often than not (Failure to do this led to this being a higher priority through the HCW)
  • Increased detection risk and increased uprising risk if further classes are undertaken (Before the HCW, this would've been a greater concern. IIIs likely would get more of a pass here.)
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That's just a small preview of downsides. Sure, you end up with unfeeling golems of death at the end of it, but 30ish dudes can't be everywhere at once, and they're still just dudes, and are still subject to as many human limits. Pretty much every iterative Spartan program following the IIs was made in a way that solved the solvable issues, further massaged by the lessening cost of what slowly became more distributed and learned knowledge, further reducing final cost. Should there be a Spartan V program, I doubt they'd actually deviate far from the IV program short of an improved physical baseline out of armor or further decreased base aug requirements.

steep drum
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Those forms would be very hard to maneuver on land

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Especially uncomfortable with those feet

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Unless they were some sort of climbers on a super low gravity planet

carmine sleet
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Their concept art drew inspiration from starfish and similar creatures so I am leaning towards the former

steep drum
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Same

tough edge
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Thanks for the information guys, definitely was something I never understood but always saw memes about "S-IIs vs. S-IIIs" that seemed ungrounded in facts

bronze prawn
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so what was cortana/atriox plans with the endless

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I mean, theyre not gonna be just loyal to them just because they free them and the most remarkable thing about them is that the halo dosnt kill them

meager pier
bronze prawn
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was there any other forerruner faction besides the builders, the warriors and the life workers ?

fair hazel
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Engineers, Miners, theoreticals, historians, weavers, speakers, interpreters, juridicals,

celest lake
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Can someone explain the chimera armor for me please?

meager pier
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It's Governor Sloan's hypothesis of soldiers under the Created's control

stoic hamlet
carmine sleet
sonic lagoon
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So what real world helmet most closely resembles the UNSC marine helmet from halo ce-halo wars 1?

slender slate
unique rune
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I don't think there's really anything that looks much like the CH252.

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Maybe the MICH family if you squint...?

celest lake
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Hi everyone so I was thinking about the precursor’s big test for humanity, do you guys think that it’s the flood or xalanyn?

bronze prawn
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I think that still a theory that turns HiddenXperia on every flood video

celest lake
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Yeah I was watching he’s videos and it had me thinking about it that’s why just wanted opinions

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Just started thinking about it and had me wondering

carmine sleet
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Xperia tries linking everything back to the Flood even when it makes no sense

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Like, back before the gameplay reveal for Infinite's campaign, he was adamant that the Flood would show up because there was a crack on a screen

quaint rover
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Does the Mark IV armor that John-117 wears in Forward Unto Dawn and Halo Legends have an official designate or nomenclature? I know that there are designated variants of the Mark IV platform such as the Cobalt armor variants given to Blue Team, and I was wondering if the aforementioned had one.

carmine sleet
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It's not got a name currently, just that it's a Mark IV suit

bronze prawn
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so why in reach the covenant ships just emerged from slipspace like in star wars but at halo 2 and 3 it was required this blue portal to make the travel

turbid wedge
unique rune
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Given that there's only like a month between the events of Reach/CE and 2/3 while pretty much all the Covenant warships we see in the games are a couple decades old, yeah, no, I'm gonna go with that not being the case.

Don't think about it too hard. It's probably just a stylistic choice to make the Reach cutscene look more dramatic.

wise snow
carmine sleet
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To add, slipspace portal visuals were pretty inconsistent in the older games and media

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In the 343i games they got more consistent in how they look

empty bloom
reef orbit
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Is the mantle a real touchable thing or is it an abstract thing like the domain

ruby canopy
bronze prawn
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its like the brutes passing from monkies to big guys with tatoos

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reach lore changing desicions

cerulean topaz
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Something I stumbled across recently; X50 can rebuild planets apparently.

The description of the Blood of Doisac visor describes the planets "only mostly destroyed" remains as fueling generations of reprisal.

Makes me wonder if maybe something like X50 rebuilding Doisac could play into something down the line story-wise.

carmine sleet
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I wouldn't mind going back there

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And we know some Brutes were there during 2554, not impossible for some to have later ended up with the Banished

bronze prawn
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is the installation under banished, UNSC, created control ?????

carmine sleet
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Which Installation?

bronze prawn
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X50

carmine sleet
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UNSC. The planet it orbited was a UNSC controlled planet before Merg Vol's Covenant attacked and ravaged its surface using X50. Thanks to Palmer, Merg was stopped

bronze prawn
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rebuilding doisac to make piece with the banished seems like a good deal

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but i have the feeling that neither seide really care about doisac

molten escarp
unique rune
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That has nothing to do with the question being asked...?

carmine sleet
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I was about to say, that's not what that discussion was about

molten escarp
unique rune
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Covenant ships were better than UNSC ships at slipspace navigation over the course of the entire war, they didn't find a mystery upgrade that made them better between CE and 2.

fair hazel
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That still wouldn't bring back the dead and the entire ecosystem and all

ruby canopy
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Just realized I replied to the wrong person earlier. Sorry nova lol @unique rune

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Not sure how I managed to do that

molten escarp
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I'm just hearing theories that noble six may have survived reach, is there any way this could be proven/disproven?

ruby canopy
bronze prawn
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hes just chilling in a cave with a couch and a TV waiting for someone to IDK

molten escarp
ruby canopy
# molten escarp whats that?

It’s a joke. A lot of people use to say he could be hiding in a cave somewhere on reach. But pretty sure he is confirmed dead as a doornail

molten escarp
ruby canopy
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Or she, however you played the character

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It was an overwhelming force of covenant. No lone spartan would’ve survived that if it makes any noble 6 fan feel better

bronze prawn
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could he tried to a truth and reconciliation thing

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you know, took down a phantom and used to star the slaughter on a covenant cruiser to get the hell of there

ruby canopy
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The other is quite a bit longer, but here is the last sentence. “While he succeeded in his objective, Six fell during the ensuing battle against an insurmountable and merciless covenant force.”

unique rune
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The narrative intention with the cut to black was that "yes they're dead", the whole thing pretty much cleanly wraps up Reach's consistent theme of sacrifice, and then media coming from 343 has repeatedly reinforced the "yes they're dead" thing.

empty bloom
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That and the narrative outright stating Six's sacrifice was a sacrifice.

molten escarp
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Yeah, I'm gonna ignore all of that and just pretend he's still alive 🤑

bronze prawn
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so in theory, in the nine days six spent walking to new alexandria

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most of the events of the book of the fall of reach happened

empty bloom
bronze prawn
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you know the UNSC firing and destroying 1/3 of the covenant fleet, this new secret covenant ship destroying ships from far away to MAC

molten escarp
empty bloom
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Literally every segment of the FoR Naval battle occurs roughly the same day as the final level of Reach pre-epilogue.

hot zodiac
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How does that translate to "not happening"?

bronze prawn
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during lone wolf ?

hot zodiac
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(Not to mention most of the events of the book aren't about the Fall but I digress)

empty bloom
bronze prawn
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yeah kinda weird how a squad of spartan 3s got shields before the freaking master chief

empty bloom
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Not at all.

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Things need to be tested, foolproofed, fully developed. You don't give the best F-22 pilot an F-35 early for the giggles.

bronze prawn
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red team has shields

empty bloom
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Part of the testing. They also disappeared.

stoic hamlet
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To add, those III’s got issued Mark V because they happened to be in a position to get it.

bronze prawn
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i mean, red team and noble team had a long history

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possibly enough the conclude the "testing" part

stoic hamlet
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The U.S’s adopted service rifle going into WW2 was the M1 Garand… but a lot of Marines deployed to the Pacific were issued 1903 Springfield’s.

That’s just how it goes.

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Where you are and how close you are to friendly lines matters more than “how important” you are when it comes to getting new equipment.

hot zodiac
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I felt NOBLE's shields were properly justified, even if it is a retcon

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Red Team's shields less so

bronze prawn
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is emile stupid or is just his AI

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he likes to face elites 30 meters away

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with a shotgun

hot zodiac
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That would fall under gameplay, but I think people will call him stupid anyway

stoic hamlet
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…you know shotguns have to ranges of like, 40 metres, right?

empty bloom
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Considering Emile fails the most assigned tasks in Reach of any Spartan on Noble... Kinda?

bronze prawn
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especially noticed in the pillar of autumm

stoic hamlet
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Like they’re actually realistically the best weapon for Halo’s gameplay ranges. They’d cross map most 4v4 maps easily.

hot zodiac
bronze prawn
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when youre the especialist in close corners combat and sharp object

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you dont face elites that far away

pallid knoll
stoic hamlet
bronze prawn
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he sees two zealots dropping, kills one, takes wait too much to reload and its surprised from behind despite having a motion sensor

stoic hamlet
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I’m not going to use gameplay to judge a character’s abilities, because if I did marines would be tougher than Spartans.

empty bloom
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That's why I judge Emile's incompetence by failing to stop a single elite get through a door, or failing to stop a Phantom from dropping off troops while he is literally 10 meters from it with an anti air weapon.

bronze prawn
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a spanish youtuber called 343 hates him as much as you do

empty bloom
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Wut

bronze prawn
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the thing with reach is that they tried to convince you that youre no longer a lone wolf, this is a team now, but at the combat

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youre the one who does everything

stoic hamlet
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There are games that do the idea better. Resistance Fall of Man comes to mind, for example.

ruby canopy
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The thing that strikes me as most odd is the weight of Spartans. With how dense their bones and muscles are, the fact that Noble team (outside of Kat and Jorge) weigh between 235-250 lbs is just strange

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Chief makes some sense to me, being a relatively slim figure at almost 300 lbs

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I know I’m being a bit picky, but I think Spartans should be at least closer to 350. Those guys in strongmen competitions weigh between 420-450 during competition.

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I know they pack on a crap ton of muscle(also fat). But Spartans having much denser muscle and bone, it makes more sense to me

carmine sleet
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You're making complaints about the game's gameplay and level design under the guise of criticism of the lore

carmine sleet
# bronze prawn he sees two zealots dropping, kills one, takes wait too much to reload and its s...

Emile wasn't wasting time reloading in that cutscene. He kills the first Elite, yells "Who's next?!" in an attempt to intimidate his foe, then immediately got stabbed in the back. The fact his motion tracker didn't pick up on the Elite being directly behind him is questionable as we have no reason to believe his was down. The only Spartan on that level with damaged Mjolnir died earlier on when he crashed a Pelican

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But like Trenchbird said, Emile is written as being pretty bad at his job in Reach

stoic hamlet
carmine sleet
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That is true

empty bloom
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NGL, that's kinda why I like how ODST handled it. Nobody talks about how bad Buck's AI is in ODST, for example.

bronze prawn
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so, why ODSTs dont pick up jackal energy shields

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I mean, it was a mecanic bungie intented in halo 2, and they could be useful as they have no shields

unique rune
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They probably value being able to stabilize their guns with their other hand.

And a big bright glowing circle is very conspicuous.

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Whip out one of those things and you're basically carrying a neon sign advertising your position to the enemy.

carmine sleet
unique rune
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Well, not in the final game, at least. It was a mechanic that Bungie experimented with but cut at some point in development.

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Or maybe I'm misremembering. Looking at it more it seems like it must've just been a quirk of how they were built into the game.
Seems like they could be modded to function as a left-hand weapon for dual-wielding.

bronze prawn
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they can activate and deactivate the shield rigth

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problem resolv ?

unique rune
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I mean, for one, would they even be familiar with the activation mechanism?

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And then when it's not active it's just dead weight that they have to fiddle with in case they get into a fight, at which point they may as well just get rid of it to better conceal their position.

tough edge
reef orbit
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Is the didact in halo 4 shadow of sundered star or bornstellar makes eternal lasting. I having read the second and third forerunner books so don't spoil anything just say whether it is bornstellar or sundered star

carmine sleet
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You're asking a question where answering yes or no doesn't work

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But the answer is the former, the latter is the one that fired the rings

reef orbit
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At the time I was writing yes or no I was thinking the question was is bornstellar the didact in halo 4. That probably sounded stupid. I'm gonna edit that