#lore-and-universe

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torpid sapphire
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Yeah I can work with that. Red Team already had exceptions to them so it would make sense that they got some form of special treatment.

bronze prawn
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how glassing actually works

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delta halo was converted in glass but new alexandria was like lava

unique rune
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I need you to think for a second about what happens to the superheated ground once it begins to cool down.

bronze prawn
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but in the cutscene of regret the floor seem already becoming glass

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but three days after the destruction of next alexndria the city is still burning

unique rune
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I mean. The Chief is running on a shiny Forerunner metal structure that hadn't been heated up to melting point yet.

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It's shiny and reflective because it's Forerunner metal. And probably also a bit wet thanks to all the water around it.

Not because the carrier's energy projector instantaneously turned it into 'glass'.

carmine sleet
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Plus it's not like it turns it into a perfect sheet of glass that could be used for a window

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The glass is the result of the cooled down surface

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Meridian from Halo 5 is a great example of what glassed planets look like afterwards

unique rune
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delicious lechatelierite

empty bloom
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"Glassing" really would only practically happen on a few types of soil. If there's one thing the soil of most planets isn't, it's "Useable for glass".

Additionally, you'd have a ton of fallout from the glassing, which would make the resulting material very dirty as it cooled. It might shine when the right angles hit it, but the 'glass' wouldn't have a mirror sheen.

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The majority of your materials post-glassing would look more like volcanic glass.

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carmine sleet
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Oh I know someone who would love to get ahold of that volcanic glass real badly

bronze prawn
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so i have read this new book about the didact and the faber part

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faber liked to contaminate ships with the flood and the descontaminet it ?

stray acorn
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Anyone here know what a Casaba Howitzer is? Or how effective it would be in the halo universe?

autumn plaza
reef orbit
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Here's my question: in halo epitaph does it turn out to be like a thing where all the major stuff in the halo universe such as the menachite forerunner crystal or the halos and stuff turn out to be minor objects in the overall plot similar to what the show Loki did with the infinite stones and the tesseract. If this is the case don't tell me what the objects are just tell me yes or no. I haven't read the book yet

bronze prawn
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epitath is more like a redemption arc to the didact

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going from the forerruner human war, to the events of the created, and later to Zeta Halo

autumn plaza
# reef orbit Here's my question: in halo epitaph does it turn out to be like a thing where al...

I'm not sure what you're asking. Promises to Keep gives me the impression the Reach crystal was a very small one. There was a crystal in every Forerunner ship.

The Halos were the culmination of ten million years of politics, corruption, cheating, stealing and killing. Nothing like it had ever been done before. The Builders consumed and destroyed everything the Forerunners ever were and channeled it into an absolute failure of a campaign to defeat the Flood.

vestal sequoia
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since the maethrillian was shot at by a halo but not destroyed doesnt that mean that it is floating around somewhere in the galaxy or do we know where it is or its current status? ilove the design of the maethrillian and would love for it or the greater ark to make a comeback in another halo game

terse lava
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It's still out there, just heavily damaged and currently a mass graveyard of ships and frozen forerunner bodies. Rho 'Barutmee, the Shipmaster of the Supercarrier destroyed in Reach, as seeking its location. Whole reason he was on the human world to begin with

storm lodge
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his armor wasn't MJOLNIR and didnt support smart AIs

unique rune
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That’s… half wrong. B312’s armor is MJOLNIR, it’s just an earlier model of Mk.V that doesn’t support AI interfacing.

empty bloom
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I feel like there's a bell curve of MJOLNIR understanding.

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And most people are in the middle.

carmine sleet
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In part because there is no such thing as a Key of Osanalan, but also because Halo doesn't have Marvel style macguffins in its stories

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The Forerunner Crystal from First Strike has come up a few times but because it's been helpful with specific needs regarding Slipspace travel from the Ark

scarlet hinge
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the UNSC canonically uses them in its nuclear naval armaments, though they've only ever been described in Warfleet - never depicted in a story

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it's about the closest the UNSC has gotten to a home-grown equivalent to a Covenant plasma lance

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they also have bomb-pumped xray laser warheads, too

stray acorn
last anchor
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'plasma spear" warheads are standard ordinance for Longswords tasked with anti-ship duties, alongsie nuclear-pumped x-Ray charges

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Simply letting a nuke go "pop" in space isnt going to do much, you need reaction mass and force, as Preston Cole expereinced when the Innies threw half-slagged astroid into the bridge of the Las Vegas

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Dang it Bacon you beat me to it

frail halo
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So, this Epitaph thing is making the rounds as big stuff. What is needed media to go through before picking it up for best results?

obsidian thistle
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Ok so the key media is
•Forerunner Saga, (Rebirth kinda)
•Halo 4 - Plus its terminals
•Halo Escalations - The Next 72 Hours Arc
•Optional - Know Halo 5 and Infinites story.

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There is other media you could explore

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But thats the most directly related

frail halo
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Thank you!

stray acorn
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Did a bit of math yesterday, and the crew of a Paris class frigate is dead the second they fire the MAC. The Paris class frigate uses a MKII light MAC, which fires 600 ton projectiles at 12,000 km/s. Each if those projectiles has a kinetic energy of 9 GIGAtons of TNT energy equivalent. That's 780,560 Hiroshima bombs, or 1800 tsar bombas, the largest H bomb ever detonated. No wonder Jorge was so worried about using MAC rounds for surface bombardment. Then comes the fun part. Conservatives of momentum means that to chuck a 600 ton projectile at 12,000 km/s, you gotta pick up some velocity of your own. In the case of the Paris class weighing in at 1,532,212.722185 short tons, it picks up aproxamitly 4.699 km/s in the opposite direction of the MAC. But we also have to think about acceleration here. The MAC fires so quickly that I'm calling its firing time instant, which means that the entire crew is going from 0-4.699 km/s, instantly. That's 478.24 Gs!!! The most a human body can take in an instant acceleration is 75! Everyone on a Paris class frigate is killed by their primary weapon on its first firing.

empty bloom
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Not accounting for counterthrust or intertial dampeners, both of which are well within the UNSC's capabilities to the point of being mounted on GEN2 MJOLNIR.

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Alternatively, I would wager the ship is not built like a cinderblock with a gun in it.

stray acorn
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I doubt any ship regardless of advancement could kill of 4.699 KM/S of velocity in the same instant it fires. Although I did forget about internal dampening structures

empty bloom
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Can't kill all of it. Could certainly have design elements built around facilitating the firing of such a weapon, as it's not an insurmountable engineering challenge.

stray acorn
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Fair

empty bloom
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The entire ship isn't built as one case assembly-interial dampening, recoil compensation systems. I also don't think the rails are actually always passively 'on'.

stray acorn
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So then, we need some input on just how much energy the ships absorbs through dampening systems

empty bloom
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Either way, the UNSC is also making the move, slowly but surely, to pulse weaponry akin to the 'sniper' ship from Halo Fall of Reach.

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With the Mulsanne class laser frigate (Highpower) entering standard service.

stray acorn
empty bloom
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I'm saying there's a window where countermeasures would certainly be active to counter the recoil.

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The projectile leaves instantly, but pretty much every design element of the ship and its functional systems isn't being accounted for.

stray acorn
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That doesn't stop the velocity though. It can slow acceleration, but that means the ship will still pick up 4.699 km/s over a longer time

empty bloom
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Emphasis on the latter.

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"Every design element of the ship and its functional systems isn't being accounted for".

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Pedantics a'la Spacebattles tend to have this issue.

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It's a physically impossible challenge because we only see the outside. There's no effecient cutaways-these ships don't even have apertures capable of fitting the troop and parasite vessel compliment they allegedly carry.

stray acorn
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True

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But is still don't think any internal structure could make that MAC shot survivable without having a TON of room for the MAC to recoil.

empty bloom
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Like, if I'd mount a weapon like that, I'd be mounting it in a way where it connects to the 'main vessel' as little as possible, with as many structures as possible making that weapon as stable and reliable as possible. Supported but seperate.

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Considering the inertial dampeners and gravity plates are both standalone, and common enough tech in the UNSC to botch a II deployment, I wager these systems also come into play.

stray acorn
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And we'll never know sadly, unless 343 releases a some cutaway art of a Paris class frigate.

empty bloom
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If they were smart, they'd never do it and keep it as far away as possible.

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You can't force a hammer to love nails. That dog don't hunt.

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In other words, it's what I mentioned the other day; It's an adventure in learning the hard way that science fiction plays hard on the fiction because you're inherently handling unknowable theoretical forces, which writers will only properly understand once on a 80 degree day in the Arctic in January. Most writers, to their credit, will agree that they chose a number that sounds good enough.

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You're lucky to get in the ballpark of feasibility, and honestly, I think Halo might just've shot its shot on Spartan IVs and Laserboat ships-doctrinal and ethical feasibility over mechanical.

dapper pecan
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Is there a lore reason behind why the ODSTs have different armours on Halo Reach, 2 and 3?

empty bloom
dapper pecan
maiden storm
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I have a very obscure and very silly question for the nerdiest among ye.

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How are those rounds supposed to be fired?

empty bloom
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Via a Hydra I assume.

maiden storm
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OH

empty bloom
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Hydra's known to fire EMP rounds as well.

rare rune
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Question and I don't know if it the right place but what happen to the Arbiter after Halo 5 Guardians?

bronze prawn
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i think i remember something about he facing atriox in a campaign for a piece able to destroy guardians

carmine sleet
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Halo Outcasts was pretty fun

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Especially given what Arbiter does near the end

rare rune
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So Arbiter still alive

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Because I haven't seen Outcast yet

warped gust
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So I know this is probably old news to most of you, But I just bought Halo Epitaph just to open the first page to find out Greg Bear passed away.

small lintel
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When is there more SIII lore

bronze prawn
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well so after epitah, the didact has been redemeed ?

forest ember
tribal trench
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ive been told that the Covenant wouldn't even need to glass the planet

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prove me right

last anchor
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Crack the planet baby

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Also on the Hydra: literally nothing stopping it firing rounds equivalent to a bolter in 40k which I think is super cool. All we need is the MLRS-3 version that feeds from a box mag...

orchid kettle
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but that's about all we know. Its tempting to then assume that the Halo 2A uniform is "early-war", but most of its appearances in the franchise are late war or even post-war

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Sunray 1-1 from Halo Wars 2 also kinda muck this up, because they wear both the H2A helmet, and the Halo 3 armor

empty bloom
orchid kettle
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Honestly the Reach ODST just reads to me like a result of limited time and resources more than anything

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most of the pieces were already going to be in the multiplayer for your custom Spartan anyway, so just slap them on a marine/soldier

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rather than update the Halo 3 odst to Reach standards or make a new design entirely

empty bloom
orchid kettle
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personally Id prefer if they just did it like in this concept art

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I honestly feel like the helmet and coloration is all you really need to keep between iterations

empty bloom
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There's a few noteworthy changes I feel should've been more common, especially in Infinite, but then I dog on the Infinite marines for just being lamer Reach Soldiers.

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Like, I dunno. More 'stereotypical movie Marine' type dudes, guys who are just wearing tank tops under their plates and stuff.

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More disheveled.

bronze prawn
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how powerful were the ancient humans

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and why they all look like indian americans

stray acorn
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Dug a little deeper and found I made and error, the MKII light MAC only fires at 30 KM/s, meaning that the crew of a Paris class frigate would not indeed die by firing their own projectile. Sad. However an S-MAC battery fires a 3000 ton projectile at the previously used 12,000 km/s, so it will easily be in the gigaton range

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The S-MAC delivers 46.8 gigatons of kinetic energy! Thats.... ridiculous! I need to do one more calculation.

timber ore
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Another silly infinite armor piece question

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Any idea what they are meant to be fired out of? I was thinking some sort of grenade launcher?

empty bloom
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I'd assume the grenade launcher.

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The M319 one

bronze prawn
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is there any lore reason why guns sound quite different through all games

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despite some being the same model

carmine sleet
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Which guns are you talking about specifically?

bronze prawn
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the assalt rifle, the battle rifle or the DMR

unique rune
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...I don't think any of those have stayed the same model between games lol

carmine sleet
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The closest to the same model would be with the AR and DMR in Halo 4 and 5. But even then, they're different variants

unique rune
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The only one I can think of is like, the M7 SMG between 2 and 3.

carmine sleet
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Oh yeah, forgot about that

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But like, to get back to the question, there's no lore reason for weapon sound inconsistencies between games

bronze prawn
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also, who tf in the UNSC had the idea to make the AR had less bullets

unique rune
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Bungie didn't really change the effects much between games even if they were different models.

carmine sleet
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It's just a simple case of as they got better audio equipment, they updated sounds

carmine sleet
bronze prawn
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in CE we got 60 bullets but at halo 3 only 32

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wait i remember wrong

carmine sleet
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Halo 3 had 32 rounds, not 30

unique rune
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A 60-round magazine of FMJ would be horrible to handle I'm pretty sure

carmine sleet
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And that change was more motivated by gameplay than lore

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The AR in CE was basically an SMG

unique rune
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And ignoring the physical wackiness of trying to fit 60 cartridges into that magazine...

carmine sleet
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Aye

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Bungie didn't really focus on accuracy with the weapons to real world weapons and the rounds they use or the mag sizes they have when making CE

empty bloom
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You can honestly stop at 'accuracy' and have that be the end of it, lmao

crisp cradle
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pretty crazy how all snipers in halo fire APFSDS rounds which r the same rounds used in tanks

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and its 14.5mms thick too

unique rune
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Officially the SRS99 series has always been considered an anti-materiel rifle, so, yeah.

dusk jetty
crisp cradle
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i dont shoot vehicles with weapons i either hijack or blow it up no inbetween

stray acorn
# tribal trench Now do the SMACs above reach

So, Assuming it's a moncton-class ODP (reach had at least one and its the only one I could find the mass of) I'm not entirely sure of the mass and velocity of the projectile, but I'm assuming it's almost if not the same as the gun on the erőd class ODP. in that case, it shoots a 3000 ton projectile at .04c (12,000 km/s) then it would deliver 46.9 gigatons of kinetic energy. I did a bit more math and found that it would accelerate backwards at 1,148g up to 11.26 km/s.

carmine sleet
unique rune
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Telekinesis

carmine sleet
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This is the only use of telekinesis

crisp cradle
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aw man

carmine sleet
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Plasma nades are weapons

crisp cradle
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nuh uh

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equipment

carmine sleet
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A grenade is a weapon

crisp cradle
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nuh uh

grand prairie
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Weapon. Anything can be a melee weapon plus even throwing weapons are still typically considered weapons

queen nebula
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So by technicality Mk4,MK5(b),MK6,MK7,SPI,rakshasa armor are all the cannon and being used by current spartan 4s

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All fractured armors wouldn’t be since there’s no possibility of them ever being useful

empty bloom
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They... Aren't real. Except Chimera. Kinda.

queen nebula
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💀

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No way chimera can be real

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it’s practically breaking a lot of rules within the war

empty bloom
queen nebula
empty bloom
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And they didn't make Spartans.

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They made Executors.

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Which are built into Chimera.

bronze prawn
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now that cortana is dead

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what up with the created

queen nebula
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They by technically are just a dying posey or joined banished

empty bloom
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Nah.

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Not unless they want to pull a rearward pull.

queen nebula
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Wym?

empty bloom
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Logically, Created have the defensive holdings of the former UNSC, which includes ODP networks and armed forces that were subjugated and controlled over the course of the Created uprising.

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They also likely still control quite a few Promethean constructs.

bronze prawn
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like in god know how many months in zeta halo the UNSC hasnt got any reinforcements

empty bloom
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Because Zeta Halo is outside of known space.

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The Banished aren't stuck there because they want to be.

orchid kettle
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which may mean that they dont have Promethean tech anymore

queen nebula
orchid kettle
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ye

queen nebula
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That dude was only worried about his planet

empty bloom
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Kinda iffy. I doubt the Smart AI uploaded to Promethean Knight hulls are suddenly poof'd. Ditto with the guns.

bronze prawn
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so after epitath what is the state of the domain

empty bloom
queen nebula
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He was already a really aged and broken AI

empty bloom
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Sloan was concerned with living, his planet, and humanity as a whole. Which is why he joined with Cortana. His only requirement was that Cortana let him try to save his people.

orchid kettle
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so yeah he probably still has some of those laying around

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otherwise why train your soldier to use it, right

empty bloom
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I figured the guns weren't gone due to the Heatwave, but also the fact that we know Promethean guns don't just go poof when they die.

queen nebula
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💀 can’t even say that word

empty bloom
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I imagine any Prometheans they had with them, were still with them.

bronze prawn
orchid kettle
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more so I meant they likely didnt have the endless waves of Promethean automatons and ships anymore

queen nebula
orchid kettle
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so the Created may be forced to make some of their own troops here

empty bloom
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Oh, endless, absolutely not.

queen nebula
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😭 at least it’s my work shoes

orchid kettle
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i kinda dig the idea of using those training drones from infinite's concept art

bronze prawn
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did cortana pretend to ¿liberate? the endless

empty bloom
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Well, it's a lot easier when your governing council was literally in control of the automation of growing food, industry, space defense, and troop training.

orchid kettle
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as like the basic unit, and these Executors are the big bois

queen nebula
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Well we all know Cortana felt bad for mister chief and blew up if I remember correctly

empty bloom
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Among other things, of course.

orchid kettle
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Id be pretty down with fighting robots that bleed oil and explode into steel scrap

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as opposed to ones that just dissolve into frosted flakes

queen nebula
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So then what does chimera have to do with all of this

orchid kettle
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There's also really nothing stopping Smart AIs from controlling warships in their totality

queen nebula
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We obviously know it’s too thin for a regular spartan body

orchid kettle
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its just kinda "by law" that Cortana has to let Keyes act like he's in charge

bronze prawn
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why the prometheans knigths had those little hands

empty bloom
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I tend to imagine Created forces would be a mix of

  • Low tier automatons
  • Human conscripts or volunteers
  • Executors
  • Remnant prometheans used sparingly
empty bloom
bronze prawn
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one hand his sword in the other his gun but below some tinny hands

orchid kettle
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id assume some aliens would be mixed in too

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like the Grunts are Cortana's number 1 fans apparently

empty bloom
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Well, they likely still have the Unggoy as allies, yeah.

queen nebula
queen nebula
bronze prawn
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grunts are okay with every species in the galaxy

queen nebula
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I feel bad they’re always forced to fight

orchid kettle
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Chimeras are these "Executors" used by the Created to maintain control of their populace

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at least in theory

bronze prawn
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even in the great schism they allied with whoever command them elites or brutes

orchid kettle
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so far only one is confirmed to exist

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but since every waypoint chronicle is inspired by the theme of the current season or operation

empty bloom
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And it's been given to Linda's former AI.

orchid kettle
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we may have more confirmed Executors

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since the key art has an Executor apparently having slain two men in HAZMAT suits

empty bloom
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Oh, also, the first Executor was made out of the crazy dude who wrote the Assembly intel pads in Reach.

orchid kettle
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you could probably make a decent Created faction in a fanmade firefight

queen nebula
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Well if I look at it this way chimera are kinda like combine

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Human beings turned into soldiers controlled by others

empty bloom
queen nebula
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Wicked…

empty bloom
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Eh, it kinda goes against the actual lore of the Created-but not necessarily the lore of the Executors.

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Executors paint a dark picture, but the actual goals of the Created initially were noble under Cortana-safeguarding humanity and the other species, ensuring a peaceful utopia.

bronze prawn
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and every planet that dosnt agree

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is blow up

empty bloom
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With my mood toward Epitaph changed a bit-I could see Cortana's actions actually making the 'gilded cage' desires of her original actions become corrupted by her former underlings.

last anchor
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They're very human in that way

warm ridge
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assuming no spoilers for Epitaph here?

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for right now at least

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or is it fine?

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yes & no

versed helm
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hello

reef orbit
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They need to make a halo books discussion branch

rough thunder
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Question cortana states on alpha halo that it kills the floods food however this is not the case since the flood themselves were killed at the maginot line when the array was fired someone can correct me if im wrong abt that

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So is cortana right or wrong

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Or both idk

reef orbit
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I thought the Maginot line was the thing the French made to prevent the Germans from attacking them

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Kidding

rough thunder
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Ya it is but in halo it was the forerunners protection against its main worlds

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Oh

digital lake
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halo

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mamster cheef

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is tehre a server for halo lore

unique rune
# rough thunder So is cortana right or wrong

You have to keep in mind that Cortana says this in Combat Evolved, when Bungie didn't have a solid idea of what they wanted to do with any of this, long before the any of the specifics of the Forerunner-Flood War had been written out.

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Cortana wasn't necessarily wrong, it's just that the exact nature of the effects of firing the rings has been a little all over the place. It still technically only kills their "food", but the way it's depicted tends to suggest that it still affects infected hosts somehow.

carmine sleet
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Would a better, albeit overly simplified, way of putting it be that, instead of simply destroying the food, it destroys all non-pure Flood biomass? Or is that too oversimplified?

unique rune
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I think that's still a bit oversimplified because then it might get into the weeds about, well, weeds and other plants.

orchid kettle
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Guilty spark does say "or at least sufficient biomass to sustain the Flood"

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so it could be that they'll still exist as like, spores

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but there's no life large enough left to make them a problem again

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This way you can have the idea that the pulse doesn't 100% purge the Flood, but it still vaporizes combat forms and the like

unique rune
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I think it still generally works if you consider infected hosts to be like, "partially digested" and not entirely converted to the Flood. Like if the Halo Array destroyed human food specifically, it'd erase a burger you ate that's still being digested in your stomach without necessarily doing anything to you.

autumn plaza
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I was under the impression Halo killed complex nervous systems. That Flood forms still needed a central nervous system, too. So Halo renders Flood forms into Flood Super Cells trapped in rotting meat.

sage fossil
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Flood exist on every level when the halos are fired no? It just kills their food by deleting nervous systems

broken crest
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Is halo legends canon?

carmine sleet
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Yes to every episode except the episode about Spartan 1337

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Which means the best Brute ever, is not canon

broken crest
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so the arbiter took on an entire covenant army? Wow

empty bloom
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*Events may not occur as shown on screen

carmine sleet
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That event is most likely exaggerated for the rule of cool

broken crest
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Makes sense

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But certain key events like gamma team and whatnot are canon?

carmine sleet
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Like, if you hear a story about a guy who fought an army of 300 on their own. Assume the number is much closer to 30

broken crest
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The unkillable soldier moment

bronze prawn
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so there was a spartan with such a long hair that work with ODSTs

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that probably make the helmet unconfortable

broken crest
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huh

carmine sleet
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Cal-141

empty bloom
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Cal likely had a short cut of some kind. Not big flowing hair that has more volume than her helmet.

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But trope gonna trope, because half of it was basically Samus'ing her.

unique rune
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MJOLNIR helmets are actually like clown cars, which is where John keeps all his snacks

bronze prawn
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about that

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were do the spartans keep their ammo

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i have only seen jorge with a backpack and in legends chief in middle air recharges his weapons with 2 rounds that appear in his leg

empty bloom
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Easiest answer, don't worry about it. Real answer, Spartans likely wear regular kit rigs tailored to fit over their armor.

rough thunder
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Which is what i was guessing but just wanted to make sure

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So the array has and will basically always kill everything

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Oops i didnt read below

rough thunder
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I guess its all conjecture

unique rune
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Yeah, frankly I wouldn't think too hard about it.

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As originally written the idea was that it targeted sentient life specifically and not the Flood, but at some point it had to morph into directly affecting the Flood somehow. Because otherwise whatever Penitent Tangent suggests in 2 and the whole endgame of 3 don't quite work out without that part.

rough thunder
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Yea so ig its just retconned for the most part because the array has always done that at least the neoteric array and thats the only one thats seen any firing besides zeta

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The only outlier is cortanas quote so if u ignore that everything else kinda works

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Btw halo encyclopedia is 28$ is it worht the buy

hot zodiac
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Cortana just explained it poorly. Think of it as her using air quotes

Halo doesn't "kill Flood", it "kills their food". Humans, Covenant, whatever! We're all equally "edible." The only way to kill the Flood is to "starve" them to death.

bronze prawn
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then at halo 3 they activate the ring to kill the flood

empty bloom
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Halo 3 is just... Bad.

bronze prawn
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indeed

hot zodiac
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The usage of Food was a metaphor, Halo always killed nervous systems.

chilly marsh
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Why’d 343 make the reclaimer be a one person thing? Forerunners left stuff behind for humanity as a whole

rough thunder
chilly marsh
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Humans are reclaimers not just the one guy who ends up being the most powerful soldier in the most powerful army

rough thunder
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Its just she explicitly says it doesnt kill flood lol

empty bloom
chilly marsh
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Thought it was changed?

empty bloom
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Reclaimers are select specific people. It's not only Chief, but it's not all of humanity to the same degree.

chilly marsh
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Oh. I thought the Librarian specified Chief and Chief only

empty bloom
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Librarian is... Well, first off, she's a horrible person.

hot zodiac
chilly marsh
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I haven’t played H4’s campaign in a good minute

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That Mammoth mission was so cool.

empty bloom
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Secondly, Librarian's referring to Chief being the first one there and the present indication of her beliefs. If Linda was in the same position, she'd be given the exact same speech.

bronze prawn
hot zodiac
#

Anyway, Reclaimers = certain humans with the proper "geas".

empty bloom
#

Good intentions, terrible methods.

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Actually one of the most common themes in Halo.

bronze prawn
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as a short halo youtube say: all reclaimers are humans but not all humans are reclaimers

empty bloom
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She's attempting to shoehorn humanity into a similar pigeonhole as the Forerunners, to force them to uptake the Forerunner interpretation of the Mantle.

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Done through a misguided sense of love and via colonizing methodologies.

rough thunder
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And then when theyre spacefaring that’s the reason the covenant tryna kill them lol

bronze prawn
#

in theory all flood outbreaks in our current time are fault of the forerruners by leaving "contention facilities" hoping ot get a cure

empty bloom
#

The Covenant were misdirected into trying to kill them.

rough thunder
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Yeah but even still it was the reason

empty bloom
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No, spacefaring was not the reason.

rough thunder
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That’s not what I meant

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I’m saying bc the librarian made them reclaimers

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-> prophets find out from mendicant

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-> oh no the covenant might collapse cuz of this info

bronze prawn
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you mean by making them reclaimers is kinda his fault that the covenant almost extinguish us

rough thunder
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Ya its librarians fault

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But she couldn’t have known it’s just a funny coincidence

hot zodiac
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It's funny because the Librarian didn't even make "humanity" reclaimers. She made a reclaimer geas that some humans have.

rough thunder
#

Welllll thats a 343 thing

bronze prawn
#

sgt johson, miranda, dr anders, the marine that die at the library, were unlucky-lucky AF

rough thunder
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We forget harvest got pinged with a bajillion reclaimer symbols

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I think it was harvest

hot zodiac
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I didn't forget.

empty bloom
rough thunder
empty bloom
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I mean, it's irrelevant where it came from, it's canon.

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Just to make that clear.

bronze prawn
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as sgt johson quote: " deal with it "

rough thunder
hot zodiac
empty bloom
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

rough thunder
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I’m just saying at the time that contact harvest was written

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343 was not a thing

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And that’s what I was referring to

hot zodiac
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I'm making a GS joke

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Johnson says that to Guilty Spark

rough thunder
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No im not talking to u

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I was talking to trench guy

hot zodiac
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It's not necessarily relevant to say where it comes from in this context but noting the inconsistency is relevant

bronze prawn
#

you know in first strike the profet of truth has a different description

rough thunder
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Huh

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U mean minister

hot zodiac
#

I think internally 343i wants to get rid of the "not all humans are reclaimers" part. Who knows what'll happen.

rough thunder
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I predict , like with half of the things 343 introduces

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They will forget about it !

stoic hamlet
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Since Point of Light clarified all humans have Geas/are reclaimers.

hot zodiac
#

Hawk Squad, who knows?

quaint rover
#

Did Spartans have any sort of specialized rappelling gear or harnesses used for scaling structures or cliff faces? Just curious

verbal loom
#

Don't suppose there's any writers here that might be looking for a new project to work on?

carmine sleet
quaint rover
carmine sleet
#

Vale uses a more traditional one in Outcasts

edgy wedge
#

i asked this in the halopedia server but i figured id ask here as well

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i have another question for the halo nerds here
yknow how a lot of covenant species have the name that humans refer to them as, and then they also have like, their own native designations
"Elite" vs Sangheili, as an example. "High Prophet" vs San'Shyuum for another
do "the covenant" have an equivalent moniker for themselves?
like, do they call themselves The Covenant? in english? surely not, right?

wise snow
#

That’s an interesting question

orchid kettle
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given how their society is founded on the holy promise of one day obtaining godhood for all true believers if the other races just do what they're told and let the prophets cook

sturdy monolith
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I’ve been thinking about reading the Forerunner Trilogy recently. Is there anything I should read first before I dive in?

empty bloom
wise snow
autumn plaza
glacial lark
jolly cloud
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Are the sidekick and commando older weapons? Because I always think they look closer to what we use today instead of what we usually see in Halo

sonic talon
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Ngl the forerunners might be even more annoying then the flood

fair hazel
sonic talon
#

Have u ever played halo 2?

bronze prawn
#

red team had outdated gear, atriox was a veteran of the entire human covenant war

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one brute is as strong as a spartan 2

empty bloom
#

Ambush tactics and author fiat.

sonic talon
#

Brutes aren’t the smartest race

sonic talon
#

Exactly, if you just swing ur fist and think it’s gonna hit then someone could easily block ur attack

queen nebula
#

Atriox attacked when their guard was down have it not been down he'd quite literally be defeated easily

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Atriox is quite literally the smartest brute in halo. He knows how deadly spartans can be therefore he attacks from the shadows

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Where is spartan locke?

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while yes they are. Atriox used stealth.

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theres only two brutes who've used stealth. Atriox and unnamed brute from legends odst episode

reef orbit
#

Hey so at the end of the last terminal in halo 3 it says that there is more yet we are not ready. What is the more stuff. Is it the halo 4 data pads or something else

hot zodiac
carmine sleet
#

Well, it's likely just something that was left to be open ended for if they made Halo 4, as in very early planning they did consider doing that before deciding on making Reach. That being said, it's been some time since I read the Halo 3 Terminals so I'm gonna need a refresher

strong sage
#

So how would super earth super destroyers fare againts unsc frigate and other unsc naval ships?

reef orbit
empty bloom
pallid knoll
#

what planet is Elevation orbiting?

tribal trench
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MACs especially

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I think a frigate way outclasses in terms of range

bronze prawn
#

why there wasnt more of those mass drivers cannon in new alexandria

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they seem to pretty much annhilate phantoms and vulnerable cruisers

empty bloom
#

It's a large, heavy, industrial tool that doubles as a weapon.

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... Weirdly, Halopedia doesn't mention this, but I swear that was what it was there for, because they wouldn't have had time to install it.

bronze prawn
#

i mean literally the marine or trooper says to us

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" we install a mass cannon "

empty bloom
#

It's a 103 ton cannon.

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That is literally bolted to the ground.

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You don't just "install" that willy nilly

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They just said "Rigged". I would assume that means they just installed a functional FCS to it, because it's something that gets mounted in an automated fashion on ships like the Infinity.

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It's even mounted on a bespoke platform facing the dockyard.

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Apparently the later 2551 Onager was utilized for destroying space debris. I think it's just a general purpose "break things near me" tool that happens to be a weapon too.

bronze prawn
#

was an elite time for a kamikaze momment

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no mass cannon, no noble 6, nothing stop destroy the cruiser

empty bloom
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Okay?

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God, I love the Epoch.

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sonic talon
#

How come towards the end of halo 2 the prophet of mercy is left to die even though he could have easily been saved, but when Chief came along he helped mercy?

carmine sleet
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Truth wanted power to himself

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And Chief mercy killed him because it was better than becoming part of the Flood

bronze prawn
#

what exactly kill mercy

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the exhaustion of figthing the flood, chief pull the infection form too hard, the flood "contamine" him ?

empty bloom
#

Yes.

hot zodiac
#

I've always thought it was him just being too messed up to live

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"Scrambled the insides"

sonic talon
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But the flood didn’t even try to infect him

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The flood just tried to choke mercy

bronze prawn
#

mercy knows way too much to be just "choked"

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still they can reanimate him later 😉

sonic talon
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But why not do it then?

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The little popcorn would have a host

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A body

bronze prawn
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cause mercy despite being a MF hold that infection form long enough

sonic talon
#

Ig

muted turret
rocky vector
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Hey so Im trying to rmember in I 5think Silentium when the iso didact is at the cousal and mediact bias comes in with the rings and they went off and the menidact biasd talked to the iso didact and if I remember correctly turned him off. How did offensive bias and mendiact bias fought them if he was turned off? Or am I misremembeering this and theres a lot more time in that take place?

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Hopefully this makes sense Im very tired

carmine sleet
hot zodiac
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When Chief pulls off the Infection Form, Mercy lets out a small scream. After that, he's quite the corpse. I'd say it's an example where the Flood mortally wounded him, and Chief did the final blow. Of course Mercy would later be taken by the Flood, but this would be an example of "reanimation"... though presumably he wasn't actually used as a Combat Form.

carmine sleet
#

Most likely used for biomass elsewhere

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But yeah, what Chief did was a kindness that Mercy may not have deserved but he knows what the Flood does and it was better to let Mercy die quickly

scarlet hinge
#

i do kind of like the idea of them shipbreaking hulks by just shooting at it with a big gun though

strong sage
# reef orbit Take a wild guess

I know how armed is a single frigate but well you know superdesrtroyers sure does lots have guns on them but i think the only super earth has in terms is number of destroyers they can deploy dont you think

last anchor
obsidian thistle
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Death doesnt stop the Gravemind getting you

empty bloom
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I'd imagine things like Gallows is kinda the only way to stop it.

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Can't get back neural tissue when it's turned to nothing but atoms.

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Barring any SoD breaking things like 'instant enough that it even starting to infect you is enough', which would've meant Chief was infected and in funny flood hell despite still being alive.

obsidian thistle
#

I just wonder if Keyes is in that sea of voices or if he was spared that fate.

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We never got the full answer if anyone infected at Alpha Halo joined that chorus

empty bloom
#

I feel like, reasonably, they should have.

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Because the distances involved would make things like the cruiser in 3 kinda... Odd, considering the Gravemind was talking through forms at Earth, despite still being at Delta Halo at the time.

obsidian thistle
#

The Flood already knew about Earth

empty bloom
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No, I don't mean "Knowing about Earth", I mean the fact the Gravemind uses its forms as puppets to talk to Chief on Earth despite being at Delta.

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"Armored Casket" and all that.

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Unless infected and protominds (Which I'd assume one was aboard that cruiser) can act as answering machines...

obsidian thistle
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I think its that they were already connected

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Less so the Alpha Halo and Halo Wars shield world ones

empty bloom
#

So it's kinda like an airpod finding feature sort of deal, you think?

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You need them to be close for initial connection and then from then you can find em anywhere using flood-GPS?

obsidian thistle
#

At least till it builds enough mass to become connected.

rocky ember
#

Hi lads, i'm not a big halo player / lore enthusiast but ive been watching cutscenes (ive played older games as a kid too afaik) and im just wondering...
Up to now, why didn't Arbiter and Chief reunite?
Like we are at infinity and iirc Arby (Theel Vadam I believe) and Chief did not unite or seen each other?

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Also, do we have any numbers on how big Arbiters (well technically Swords of Sangheilios) are as of right now?
What's their population and military size compared to UNSC or Banished?

sonic talon
#

343 probably didn’t really care about him

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Bungie sold halo to 343 and the arbiter has been more of a side character since then

rocky ember
#

Yeah 343 might be the explanation.

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Oh yeah im awarw od that. Although logically

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They have to meet sometime I guess

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Since Swords of Sangheilios are allies to UNSC.

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Would make no sense if their paths don't cross.

sonic talon
#

Arbiter probably doesn’t need to do anything more after he finally put an end to the covenant

rocky ember
#

Technically, Arbys

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Are still allies no?

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And aiding/working together

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To be specific, Swords of Sangheilios faction, made after Theel Vadam

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Since not every arbiter (those ones that believe prophets exist iirc)

rocky ember
sonic talon
#

Yeah yeah they changed their name after the covenant made the entire “arbiter” thing look like a joke

rocky ember
#

Yep, I know that part

warm lichen
#

arbiter and the unsc are still allies even in halo infinite but there in different parts of the galaxy i think the arbiter forces were cleaning up the rest of those who chose the covenant

rocky ember
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Im just not followed up on newer story

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So, Infinity

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Hows arbiters doing

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Specifically SoS

rocky ember
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In Infinity or something (i havent played it yet)

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I will have to start from chronologic order. Me as a kid playing halo doesn't help much, since i forgot alot

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And lore advanced.

warm lichen
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well it might be in the books to do with halo but with what intel i read in halo infinite the game they said they SoS were dealing with the remnants of the covenant

rocky ember
#

I see, I was particularly interested because as we can see Banished are the new issue

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So SoS might be able to aid that.

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Hence I was asking if SoS got big yet

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Or still, a smaller, but mighty faction.

warm lichen
#

well before 343 staff got fired from campaign there might have been more dlc for it but will never happen now

rocky ember
#

Interesting. Not even in books or something?

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As i assume books are a bit furether ahead in lore.

warm lichen
#

probably is but i nver read the books lol

rocky ember
#

Ah gotcha.
Honestly such a shame to not see a duo like Chief, Johnson, Thel Vadam reunited

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Or at least the first and last now.

unique rune
rocky ember
#

And the arby mentions that chief was not kust ally to him but s friend and he was sad how he didn't try and find him sooner

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That is before halo 5 right?

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Im a bit rusty. In terms of knowledge as im pulling it off youtube and my old gameplay as a kid

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Thanks though.
Also still, do we know about SoS numbers tho

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Yeah arbies surely desl with their own tjing now, especially remains of covenants

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But im trying to see how they are doing scale wise too. Surely they're not just ur local SoS faction that focuses only on Prophets.
Also what are Createds?

unique rune
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The Arbiter assists with Locke's search for Blue Team, yes. At the end of the events of Halo 5, after Blue and Osiris escape from Genesis, they return to Sanghelios to regroup with remaining UNSC and Swords personnel there.

rocky ember
#

Is theel vazak even arby leader / sos leader still or someone else?

unique rune
#

Thel is still Arbiter and still leader of the Swords of Sanghelios, yes.

rocky ember
#

Thanks. So they're still active even in infinity

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Just not much said about them.

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Or like, in newest story, whatever is the official books

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games are just books but a bit behind on schedule in terms of lore right?

unique rune
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Yes, they're busy doing their own thing concurrent with the events of Infinite.

rocky ember
#

Still canonical

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Thanks.

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Who arw Createds tho?

unique rune
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A faction introduced in Halo 5 primarily made up of AI leading repurposed Forerunner forces whose goal was to take over the galaxy and form sort of their own version of the Forerunner ecumene.

rocky ember
#

Oh gotcha, so Arbys are still hunting those because they are done with Prophets

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And those Createds want to be prophets v2 it seems so they're dealing with that

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Thanks. Still wondering what are their numbers/SoS scale, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Are there any newer books or anything I can check/buy that might have arbiters in it?

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as long as its recent

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Also, I assume Banished take even humans, anyone that follows their ideology.
Have we seem any specific humans/unsc in Banisheds?

unique rune
#

Doesn't seem like we've ever gotten any official figures for the size of the Swords of Sanghelios. Kinda doubt we ever will.

New media involving the Arbiter that may be worth checking out is the novel Halo: Outcasts. There's some other web media like Sunrise on Sanghelios and Battle for the Blood-Moon that involve the Swords of Sanghelios.

rocky ember
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Will have to check.

unique rune
#

All published within the last year.

rocky ember
#

Got it, so about Infinity time?

rocky ember
unique rune
unique rune
rocky ember
#

Yep I figured. I was wondering if anyone notable was in Bamished and was human/usnc

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Also, for games release, what is the norm? A game every 2 years or ?

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Infinite was 2021.

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We should get another this year? Following chrinological order

unique rune
#

At this point, there's not really anything useful for predicting when the next game will be.

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Just gonna have to wait.

rocky ember
#

Yep, im just basing off release dates of all games before.
Average was around 2 to 3 years

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The usual

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Highest was 4.

warm lichen
#

yeah 343 messed up the last game an got told off by microsoft for doing a poor jon so no one know if or when the next halo game be out

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*job

rocky ember
warm lichen
#

halo infinite

unique rune
#

Yeah, the Bungie titles were all about 3 years apart, but then H4 was 2 years after Reach, H5 was 3 years after H4, and Infinite came 6 years after H5. And now we're nearing year 3 of Infinite so who knows what the plan is.

rocky ember
#

Well before it was halo wars 2 which was 2017.
So 4 years max still

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First older games were 2 years apart.

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Afaik.

rocky ember
#

It was Halo 5 guardians then Halo Wars 2

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And that was like 2 to 3 years apartp

warm lichen
#

halo wars was made by ensemble studios

rocky ember
#

Well, still a Halo game

unique rune
#

I'm ignoring the RTS titles because they weren't developed by the main studio. Also leaving out ODST because it was a minor fork off H3 that was essentially just a glorified DLC pack.

warm lichen
#

yeah i know

rocky ember
#

Fair enough.
Well if we take the same devs and median/averages then we should expect a game next year.

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By rhe way, is it better to redo replay halo (all games) in release date or timeline order

warm lichen
#

i dread new triple A games of any big gaming companies lately always half finished

rocky ember
#

In terms of lore

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For example timeline wise Halo Wars is in 2531

empty bloom
rocky ember
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But its a newer title in terms of release date

unique rune
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(Yeah I know I'm just talking purely in terms of release dates)

rocky ember
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Aka, theres games before it

rocky ember
#

Ive not played higher than uhh

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2012 year i tbink.

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Thats when i was around 12 years old.

empty bloom
#

Noble Actual starts in July, with Halo ending in December, technically early in 2553 if you count the Arbiter's end scenes.

unique rune
#

Frankly I wouldn't recommend trying to do chronological order just due to how the chronology of the Halo games works. Like if you were really committed you'd have to interrupt a run through Halo 2 by starting up ODST on a separate machine to try and play missions at the same time.

rocky ember
#

Stop the run in middle of mission

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If another game continues it

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Just unsure how and where one would have to do such a thing.

unique rune
#

Though now that I think about it you should really also have 2 instances of Halo 2 going at the same time if you want to get real technical.

warm lichen
#

easy after the iron clad goes into the big slipspace you go to halo 3 odst

rocky ember
#

Did someone not make a guide / advice on actual playthrough of lore-accurate order?

rocky ember
unique rune
#

In any case I don't think it really makes sense to interrupt the narrative of one game just to insert an entirely different one for the sake of chronological accuracy.

rocky ember
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Though, I am not as knowledgeable

rocky ember
#

If i just wanted a marathon of most-genuine and accueate Halo gameplay

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What would it be?

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Release date and play from oldest to newest?

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especially if i wanted lore accueate cutscenes/timelines from start to finish

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Like a movie. start, mid, end

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Though I do understand when games don't do that. I think even CoD does that. Randomized universe timelines

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Battlefield too

unique rune
#

Just play through them in release order, it's easier to follow and provides a more natural experience than trying to forcefully interweave stories that were not intended to be woven between each other.

rocky ember
#

Is there a HALO pack/dlc or sometbing that might be for this?

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Or just play release date and thats it

warm lichen
#

halo wars 1, halo reach , halo:ce , halo 2(halo3 odst after slispace scene with iron clad) halo 2 after that. halo 3 halo 4 ,halo 5 , halo wars 2, halo infinite.

rocky ember
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Thing iz i want to catchup on all story

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Hence im not sure if doing it that way is better

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Or the release order way

warm lichen
#

ive been playing halo since 2001 so

rocky ember
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I want everything as simple-linear as possible so

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I assume there are no other skipping of scenes or missions between games

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Except the slipspace one?

empty bloom
unique rune
#

Release order will be the most straightforward and easy to follow.

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Chronological timelines are good for putting pieces together after you've gone through something but release order was how the stories were created and "intended" to be experienced.

warm lichen
#

well upto you which order you play

rocky ember
#

Makes sense

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Well, the official way then is release order

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It seems still weird if it skips parts tho

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In terms of timeline

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But ill do the marathon eventually and see. Thanks guys.

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Also, are tv shows, and movies

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Part of the canon lore?

warm lichen
#

er i dont watch the series since i think its an insult to halo games but others maybe more open to answer

rocky ember
unique rune
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The current Paramount+ TV series is not. It’s considered an alternate timeline.

Pretty much everything else is though.

rocky ember
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By paramount one, you mean the one where Master Chief is basically a ragdoll? 😄

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Yeah good thing that's not canon

rocky ember
#

Also, lore wise - John is Master Chief Petty Officer which means in USNC there's higher ranks than him, now, do Spartans 2 get ability to ''override'' higher ranking officers/commissioned, or even flag officers (admirals etc)?

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I'm asking for actual official sources that might show that, logically and practically it's clear even Admirals let Chief do whatever he wants

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Like this

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I'm just checking TECHNICALLY who has to listen to who (if official sources)

carmine sleet
#

That situation isn't Chief overriding command, that's him going against orders to do what he thinks was right

rocky ember
carmine sleet
#

The normal chain of command is still respected by Spartans in most contexts

rocky ember
#

And on top of that made a new order for himself ("i'm going to stop didact if you don't want to")

rocky ember
#

If an Admiral told Chief to go to hibernation mode right now, even if that objectively would be against saving humanity

carmine sleet
rocky ember
#

would the Admiral officially outrank/and out-order him

rocky ember
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Thing is

carmine sleet
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And given what happens after Halo 4, we know he regrets it

rocky ember
#

if Chief has (by ONI standards) "reasons" to save humanity

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or do whatever he thinks saves humanity

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he CAN (I guess) override/AWOL any order

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from any non-spartan

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thing is, i can't find sources

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To be specific

carmine sleet
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I'm guessing that you don't know what AWOL means

rocky ember
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well whatever he did in the vid

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if that's the case

carmine sleet
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Because it's not "overriding orders"

rocky ember
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"Lore fact: after returning to earth Del Rio was relieved from command for abandoning Chief. What a tool."

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This is also a top comment

carmine sleet
#

It stands for absent without leave

rocky ember
#

Oh that's when they send Fireteam Osiris

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"sir you're absent without leave, give us Cortana"

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Still, where would I have best bets trying to find how far chief can go denying/not listening to higher-rank orders

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since technically speaking, Chief's mission is to save humanity and protect humanity, it didn't stop/mission not yet done, still ongoing, and that mission is/was highest possible priority

last anchor
#

Two seperate incidents.
His first time going AWOL over Requiem turned out to be the right call (which is why they sacked Del Rio among other things, and without Chief having done it, there probably wold have have been a LOT more casualties on earth than just the 7 million people in New Phoenix).

The Halo 5 incident was seperate and was an actual AWOL situation, but, again, it turned out to be the right thing to do because, again, without Chief, Cortana would have basically just surprise slapped the entire galaxy worse than she did.

carmine sleet
last anchor
#

True.
Especially considering what happened because he didnt...though, in truth, can we trust Del Rio to have made the right call?
It made it seem like he wanted to initate final dispensation for her.

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Which would have been bad to say the least.

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Im not sure Chief would have been able to stop Mantle's Approach without her.
It was kind of the perfect storm situation

carmine sleet
#

To be clear, I do think Chief made the right choice at the time, nobody could've known what the fallout of that decision was going to be at the time

last anchor
#

(I dont even think 343 did tbh lol)

carmine sleet
#

T'is the nature of the industry

rocky ember
#

If an Admiral comes, and tells chief to hand over Cortana and go Hibernate mode

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Even if it's the objectively right call to do, who ''out-orders'' who

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Technically speaking, Spartans have backing of ONI and are generally seen as "allowed to deny orders" if it's about SAVING HUMANITY

last anchor
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Officially, the Admiral has the rank and pull.
However, even Admirals defer to the hero of humanity.

rocky ember
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But, are there official ways to see, at what point does it end.

rocky ember
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So, no matter what, Chief can't do whatever he wants if someone who outranks him orders him so.

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Although, yes, practically everyone lets him do his own thing.

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But, how do we explain the fact that Chief has "allowed to deny orders" if it's saving huamnity

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humanity*

last anchor
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It ends when the situation no longer requires a Spartan to be useful or effective.
Chiefs not one for space combat, as we see in First Strike.
But on the ground, or in a situation like Requem? People (even officers and those in command) are going to lean on him to do stuff.

We see it all the time. Chief's actual rank means little when comapred to his tactical capabilities and sheer presence

rocky ember
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I think it's mentioned by ONI and for spartans specifically

last anchor
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Spartan, basically.
The man effectively saved humanity, that means a lot to people.
Its part of why Lasky literally gave him a Pelican over Requiem.

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And let him go

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(The second time on Argent Moon is different because they were the only people there, so)

rocky ember
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Yeah. But I'm pretty sure i've read somewhere that SPARTANS are ALLOWED to DENY orders

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if they "analyze" it may save humanity by doing so

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I think even ONI backed that

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so im just checking , if it's mentioned anywhere or was i trippin (not that it happened in most cases everyone just listens to chief and spartans in general)

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Also, why wasn't Del Rio court-martialed for breaching Cole Protocol? Or was he?
Didn't he laid out slipspace to Earth/human's planets (when they're specifically instructed via Cole-Protocol to never do that, as Forerunners/Didact/Covenants can track it)?

last anchor
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Cole Protocol became far less important after the end of the war.

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Also, the Didact knew where Erde-Tyrne was. Always had.

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His wife was the LIBRARIAN after all.

carmine sleet
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Cole protocol was only for during the Human-Covenant War to prevent the Covenant from finding Earth, they found Earth in Halo 2

last anchor
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Also the dude was buried in a Cryptum ON Earth so

rocky ember
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Oh makes sense. My bad. Thanks.

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Also, how come we know last-names of some Spartan2s but not of Chief?

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We know Chief is John-117, no surname.

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Meanwhile Kurt-051 is Kurt M. Trevelyan or Kurt Ambrose (this one isn't his real one, but rather given to him from Colonel Ackerson, as a random one)

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Wasn't Halsey supposed to wipe all identity of all Spartan 2's and I believe only one female spartan got to see their identity (and that's because she worked in ONI at that moment, confirming her father's assumption that she was kidnapped)

So how come we know Kurt's last names (and I believe many other Spartan 2's but not Chiefs? Halsey should know them all and erased them all.
Although Kurt didn't know his name anyways (due to his excessive modifications and mental training/conditioning)

last anchor
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Chief is special and so he doesnt get a last name.

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We know the last names of all of Blue Team tho

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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Some sources I saw speculated that John's surname is Halo. Ironically enough - that's the game's name too (although the game's name is about Halo Arrays mostly)

rocky ember
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When they were all kids

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Halsey erased their identity, all of them

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Yet, we know many SPII surnames

last anchor
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Yes, through manipulation to them.
Their actual pre-yank data is still there.

rocky ember
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And hence only Halsey knows the originals.

last anchor
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Not in the LEAST

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ONI has them all.
Section 3 and Section 0 both

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NAVSPECWEAP certainly does

rocky ember
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Thanks.
I was under impression it's Halsey only for now.

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Why do we know surnames of Blue team though?

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Blue team is also special in a way, yet we know it, but yeah

last anchor
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We know them because they decided to give it to us I suppose.

ruby canopy
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They are, but Chief is the central character

rocky ember
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Fair enough, thanks.

carmine sleet
rocky ember
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Although they tease chief's face/identity too, but still keep it a mystery. Showed only eyes and around it for a split second.

prime rune
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Weren’t forerunners humans

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Or orginially supposed to be

empty bloom
carmine sleet
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For the same of making this quick, within Bungie, people had different ideas. Regardless that doesn't matter as they're a separate species now

empty bloom
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Ultimately they never answered, people were just ride or die for a Halo 2 storyboard because Bungie made it despite them never actually using said storyboard

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This storyboard being the same storyboard where Miranda Keyes joined forces with the Covenant and tries to kill Chief by strapping a nuke on him.

prime rune
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💀

carmine sleet
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Definitely glad that didn't make it into the game

empty bloom
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And people say Makee is bad.

prime rune
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How were the precursors defeated so easily

empty bloom
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They didn't really fight back.

prime rune
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Why not

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You would think that the precursors would’ve created a plan for their eons long project

ruby canopy
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Perhaps not fighting back was part of the plan

desert imp
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When did Earth first begin constructing the ODPs? I know by the events of Halo 2 there were at least 300 in orbit but it was still declared unfinished

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Or is it just generally assumed that after the first interaction with the covenant they began just going mental on the project

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Reach was protected by 20? If memory serves ish so I was just wonderinga bout the time frame

sonic talon
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When the spartan 4s were created they probably stopped construction

empty bloom
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ODPs pop ships from thousands of miles away, Spartans thrive in counterterror and ground engagements. A SMAC can't doorkick, nor should people expect it to.

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We also know an ODP attempted to stop the Mantle's Approach over New Phoenix, so we know they're still in operation-the Infinity's SMACs are just stronger than the ODP's.

sonic talon
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Yeah if you find something more powerful your probably gonna change to that weapon

empty bloom
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Sure, but I don't really see how that's relevant to what I said.

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Also, raw power isn't the only consideration to weapon swapping. Sling-flung rocks have been known to break the sound barrier and can penetrate metal very effectively, but they lost out to bows because bows were easier to train; Ditto with Crossbows; Ditto with muskets; Ditto with cased ammunition.

sonic talon
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Maybe these ODPs cost too much to keep making more of them

empty bloom
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Doubtful. There's no indication they ever stopped.

sonic talon
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But there also is no indication that they kept going

empty bloom
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ODPs just are. It's never been stated if they stopped making them, but considering they were the single most effective naval asset in the entire HCW in terms of raw damage to cost ratio that wasn't a plot-armored green dude, it'd be pretty damn stupid to stop making them.

sonic talon
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Especially with the Sangheili switching sides— an entire pure bred army—they might have just stopped production, or at least slowed it down

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The Sangheili had great orbital defense weapons

empty bloom
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The Swords were the only specifically known large-body organization that actually sided with the UNSC.

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And even then trade seems limited to non-naval assets.

sonic talon
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What about the unggoy

empty bloom
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Much of the Sangheili species were either neutral or threw their lot in with one of the anti-UNSC orgs.

sonic talon
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Lots of them switched sides

empty bloom
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Unggoy's only known post-HCW ally as a species was Cortana.

sonic talon
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True

empty bloom
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There's literally 0 good reasons to drop the ODP program.

sonic talon
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I feel like we’re getting off topic

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Exactly

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But the covenant did deactivate a whole bunch of them to get to earth

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Maybe they wanted to move on?

unique rune
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Move on from what, one of the few weapon systems that can reliably damage Covenant capital ships?

glad river
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where are the ODST'S after halo 4?

unique rune
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Busy doing ODST things

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They’re a relatively large organization so you’d really need to be more specific

sonic lagoon
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Do BMPs exist in Halo?

unique rune
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As in the IFV, or…?

sonic lagoon
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Yeah, I know Jorge has some and the Elephants along with Mammoths kinda fit roles of BTRs. I haven’t been able to find any traditional troop carriers, like the ones in WW2 with the canopies and no weapons.

unique rune
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The UNSC has vehicles like the Cougar, Bison, and Mastodon. They’d probably be the closest analogue to modern day APCs or IFVs.

desert imp
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Appreciate everyones insight into the ODP thing. I must say I agree its doubtful they abandoned the programme as quote: "could punch a hole in a covenant capital ship thousands of miles away" so gottarespect that

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Maybe resource supply issues played some part but it was likely a priority

rocky ember
# prime rune Weren’t forerunners humans

As far as I know that would be the Ancient-Humans that Didact for example made Promethenian Knights (resistant to flood or whatever)
So Forerunners did fight actual ancient-human advanced civilization, shouldn't be likely that Forerunners are just also a part of human race, especially since Predecusors decided to give humans Mantle of Responsibility

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Promethean Knights serve librarian/didact so technically Forerunner, but originally Ancient Humans

carmine sleet
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The Prometheans are constructs made from composed humans and Forerunners, so more akin to Monitors like Guilty Spark

prime rune
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Forerunners are such leeches

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Look at guilty spark

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He was a human once

empty bloom
sonic talon
empty bloom
sonic talon
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Spartan 4s make it so anyone can be a spartan

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Even adults

empty bloom
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Or Marine Force Recon.

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Or a Green Beret.

sonic talon
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ODSTs aren’t needed

empty bloom
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Or an ODST.

empty bloom
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Not as IVs, but as their own seperate section.

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All UNSC vessels tend to still retain ODST drop pod chutes for the same reason they always had; Dropping ODSTs.

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Rubicon protocol and Halo Infinite both directly make mention of nonSpartan ODSTs.

sonic talon
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Or spartans

empty bloom
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Halo 5 explicitly mentions nonSpartan ODSTs.

sonic talon
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Drop pods aren’t just ment for odsts

empty bloom
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I'm aware.

sonic talon
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But rather anyone that wouldn’t die dropping thousands of feet

empty bloom
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But them being used by Spartans doesn't invalidate the many, many common sources stating ODSTs are still a thing.

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And the common sense of "Of course they didn't get rid of ODSTs, because there are literally hundreds of thousands of ODSTs, but under 5 figures of Spartans"

sonic talon
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Im just saying, why be an odst when u could be a spartan

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ODSTs are cool and all

empty bloom
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Because "Anyone can be a Spartan" is a gross misunderstanding of how Spartan IVs work.

sonic talon
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But Spartans out master them in everything

empty bloom
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Like, actually incredibly incorrect.

sonic talon
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They’ve been replaced

empty bloom
sonic talon
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They did

empty bloom
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Stop spreading misinformation.

sonic talon
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This isn’t the first time the unsc has replaced something of power

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Think of Cortana

empty bloom
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Doesn't matter, ODSTs aren't replaced.

sonic talon
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In infinite she’s been replaced

empty bloom
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Okay?

sonic talon
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Look it up

empty bloom
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And what do either of these have to do with the price of butter in china? It's replaced with a new number, I'm pretty sure.

dense falcon
# sonic talon They’ve been replaced

Literally nobody has said the ODST program was replaced with the Spartan-IV program. Sure, a lot of Spartan-IVs were picked because of their ODST past, but that's it. New generations have joined the Marine corps, and have fought their way into the ODST corps. There just hasn't been any mention in media.

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The ODST corps has not been disbanded.

empty bloom
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Well, there has been mention, they just haven't actually shown face.

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A few ODSTs get gutted and almost eaten in Rubicon Protocol, which takes place in the months before Infinite's campaign actually starts.

dense falcon
sonic talon
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Im not saying they’ve been completely abandoned

empty bloom
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A few dozen get wiped out in Outcasts.

empty bloom
sonic talon
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Im just saying the unsc is trying to move on

empty bloom
dense falcon
empty bloom
dense falcon
sonic talon
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Just because something has been replaced doesn’t mean it’s been abandoned

dense falcon
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You might want to go look at a dictionary...

empty bloom
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How this is going

sonic talon
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Xbox 1

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Was replaced

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By Xbox X series

dense falcon
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I don't have the time to explain to you why these two topics are completely unrelated.

sonic talon
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But Xbox 1 hasn’t been abandoned

dense falcon
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I'll just come back to ask my question later.

sonic talon
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Im not saying they are

dense falcon
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You aren't relaying correctly what you want to say

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Read the info we replied with and think about it

sonic talon
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Then what happened to them

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What has the official Creators of halo 4, 5, and infinite said about what happened to them?

empty bloom
sonic talon
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343 hasn’t done anything about these amazing marines

empty bloom
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They literally have.

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Several times.

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Absolutely none of what has been said has been anything about them 'replacing' ODSTs.

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Everything that has been said about ODSTs by 343 is that ODSTs are still around, doing ODST things, but they are not actually involved in the campaigns of those games, only doing things as ODSTs do offscreen.

sonic talon
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Ohhhhhh

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Wist

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Wait*

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I wasn’t really thinking clearly

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Yeah ur right

fair hazel
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Wasn't it like 800

empty bloom
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That's only 67 dozen, hardly a blip on the radar.

carmine sleet
rocky ember
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Forerunner constructs would be more likely those mechanic robots that aren't hostile and just fix things (forgot name, who are just a biomechanic floaty gas entity)
Covenants did use them for artifacts after they captured one or some
One even fixed Chief and his armor I believe, which was then shot by some colonel or whatever as it now contained Mjollnir armor knowledge, and didn't want to risk anything

carmine sleet
rocky ember
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They still remained sentience and knowledge. Just in a digital version.

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Like a digital brain and machine body.
Which is why it's effective against flood too.

carmine sleet
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Not all of the Knights are ancient humans

rocky ember
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Well, not many volunteers

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I believe majority was Ancient Humans

carmine sleet
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The Promethean Warriors under the Ur-Didact were the first of the Promethean constructs

rocky ember
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They were under The Librarian too (blue) and under Ur-Didact (orange)

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Im just saying this because it isn't likely for Forerunners to be humans or human race

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(Since thats whqt the guy asked)

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Since they basically fought Humanity and Predecussors gave Mantle of Responsibility to Humans

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And generally speaking Didact used enemies/ancient-humans to make promethean knights

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So yeah not likely to be same race.

carmine sleet
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There's nothing to speculate on that topic because we have evidence that proves Forerunners and humanity aren't the same species

rocky ember
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So not sure what are we arguing, I was just giving more examples of why Forerunners aren't humans to the guy that asked

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Although technically - Forerunners and Humans do share ancestors.......I guess?

Since Predecussors made both, afaik.
Well the ancient humans at least.

bronze prawn
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the forerruners were aware of rampancy ?

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if so, didnt seem obvious that the monitors of the halos will develop a rampancy through all those centuries alone, therebefore making their installations less "efficient" and vulnerable like delta halo

sage fossil
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forerunner made sure to compartmentalise or how ever you put it, the monitors, so if flood got to them , they couldnt give them info ?

carmine sleet
sage fossil
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ah yes, i read the question wrong so i give wrong answer, oopsie xD

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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So I was just noting it.
Although yeah, they aren't of same race (forerunners and humans)

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What I personally don't get in lore tho... ur-didact, or forerunners in general wanted mantle of responsibility and to deal with flood, couldn't they done it via diplomacy with humans? Humans probably don't care about mantle of responsibility as much but they'd for sure want to deal with flood, possibly allying with forerunners for flood specifically

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Covemant war - understandable
Banished - understandable
Even human vs human rebellions, understandable

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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But forerunners vs humans seemed like very weird. Forerunners were basically a smart and advanced nation, surely they didnt fight humans just for memes because of mantle of responsibility, such an advanced race knows that flood is bigger threat and should be sealt with first

rocky ember
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To be the next "successors" making them both like "special kids" or the "ones dad and mom really like" out of all races

bronze prawn
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mean like for what I understand

rocky ember
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Theres low tier civilizations too, that predecussors didnt care at all

ruby canopy
bronze prawn
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out of nowhere the humans beigin to destroy entire forerruners planets

rocky ember
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Or rather

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Rest wasnt special

ruby canopy
rocky ember
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Look at Tier 1 or low tier civilizations and races, literally forgotten by even Forerunners, even more bu predecussors

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Or whatever is classified as lowest

rocky ember
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But out of all galaxies and civilizations

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Its clear predecussors favorite kids was humans

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And forerunners, upto humans mantle

ruby canopy
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Not sure if they were favorites, but the precursors just might’ve seen humans as having better traits to take up the mantle

rocky ember
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Who else would be their favorite?

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Forerunners were really good at it. Then humans came

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Took the mantle.

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I mean I honestly think forerunners shoulda kept mantle too

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But them goinf to war with humans proves the mantle isnt for them

ruby canopy
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Kind of just had all this mixing and matching of genetic variations and what humans became seemed to be right for the job

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Precursors may not have favored anyone. They just wanted the species that best fit for responsibility

bronze prawn
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its crazy how two entire empire as the forerruners and ancient humans coexist for a long time

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until one decided to begin to destroy others planets

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like, they were aware of each other before that ? had like reunion or something ?

rocky ember
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So, shouldnt matter, main point is because forerunners take mantle of responsibilirt very serious, almost religiously, its sacred to them and they believe they are the one race that has to have it no matter what

ruby canopy
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I believe that was because ancient humans were running from the flood looking for a place to go and the forerunners took it as an act of war. Only realizing that after wiping them out

rocky ember
bronze prawn
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you know, if you purge planets as you escape for a parasite

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you will eventually run out of planets

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or both will get extint

rocky ember
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Since if ancient humans war was a mistake

bronze prawn
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whaerever happens first

rocky ember
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Instead of apologizing to current humans and offering alliance to focus on flood wiping

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They fight current humans because they have mantle of responsibility, lolz

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Males no sense for such a rational (given the circumstances) race, so advanced and knowledgeable

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Their idolatry of mantle of responsibility is undersrandable, but what isn't understandable how they didnt realize flood is a bigger issue and they need all the help they can get. Especially if the help is the one that was given mantle of responsibility which means they should know what threy're doing

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Aka humans

bronze prawn
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if japan attacked pearl harbor because there was an atlantian fleet forming beneath it, ready to attack the "free world"

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you wouldnt expect the US to focus on the atlatian just in the japanese

rocky ember
carmine sleet
rocky ember
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But not just ur didact. Forerunners in general wanted war vs humans no?

carmine sleet
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To the Forerunners, humanity had just started attacking them with no reason

rocky ember
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Although not sure if forerunners were there. Humans surely were.
Covenanrs were too.

rocky ember
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I mean. The librarian surely did

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They built safe worlds for that.

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Completely shielded from halo and flood.

bronze prawn
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after the defeat of the humans at charum hakkor

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was when the forerruners realizes that the humans werent attacking, they were escaping

rocky ember
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Like, current chief fighting current forerunners

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
rocky ember
rocky ember
ruby canopy
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He is the last forerunner I believe

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Last known

rocky ember
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Is he? Well idk if Librarian is alive

bronze prawn
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actually he is gone right

rocky ember
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In some form

rocky ember
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There are 2 ur-didacts

bronze prawn
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the didact and the librarian finally reunite

rocky ember
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If we want to be technical

carmine sleet
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There is only one Ur-Didact

bronze prawn
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in their mantion at the domain with the usual " took you long enough"

rocky ember
carmine sleet
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The other Didact is the Iso-Didact

rocky ember
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And another that was original and went somewhwre else

bronze prawn
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the iso is the one who fleed to galaxy rigth

rocky ember
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Or the other way around

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Dont rememver

bronze prawn
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with his family to have a nice and quiet life

rocky ember
#

B

bronze prawn
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to die alone

rocky ember
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Also, can we consider The Librarian dead?

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I mean, she gave Halsey the Janus keys

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"Dead" but not so dead