#lore-and-universe

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drowsy karma
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They have a lot of room for engravings and the like.

wanton notch
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It's much like a revolver in the sense that it's a novelty item more than anything

carmine sleet
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At least with a revolver, it was something that came about because having a firearm that carried multiple rounds was more practical than ones that had to be reloaded every time it fired a shot. So while they aren't practical today, it was a stepping stone to the magazine fed pistols of today

drowsy karma
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I got to shoot the world's most powerful production revolver (.500 S&W). Even more of a hand cannon than the Deagle

last anchor
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I still want to know how Misrah made the M6 viable. They must have an awesome recoil control system

foggy condor
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Does lockheed still exist in the halo universe thinkingchief

tribal trench
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Mighta gotten absorbed into Traxus or something like that

foggy condor
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What's traxus?

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Oh they make stuff cool

tribal trench
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yeah just some random megacorp in halo

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they build a ton of stuff

wanton notch
foggy condor
last anchor
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And GM makes battlemechs in Battletech

dusty ferry
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GM invented nuclear fusion

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They kinda did more than one battlemech

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They basically revolutionized everything on their own

plain lagoon
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You think people in the halo universe joke about harvest and reach like how we joke about tragedys

dusk jetty
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It’s probably viewed the same way. Disdainful to most disrespectful, and inappropriate

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I doubt someone who served on reach would take kindly to any glass jokes

empty bloom
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I think it'd be naive to think someone wouldn't make jokes about things like that, especially with the crude gallows humor of most militaries.

dusk jetty
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People who didn’t live through them would probably make more jokes about it. Like today

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Or who weren’t directly impacted

empty bloom
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Eh, people can be crude.

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Besides

dusk jetty
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Very true

empty bloom
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It's also an entire two generations who grew up through that

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So that sort of tragedy is heavily normalized culturally

dusk jetty
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Yeah, I just assumed particularly tragic ones like harvest would be touchy

empty bloom
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20-odd years on?

dusk jetty
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Like would Chief like a reach joke? Probably not

empty bloom
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Eh, I don't think IIs are much for jokes anyways, not that they don't make them.

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Tough crowd to tell dead baby jokes to, y'know.

dusk jetty
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Oof 😂

versed helm
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its to bad we never know the fate of the SoF

dusk jetty
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I think we’ll find out eventually

last anchor
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Considering how this seasons named for her

royal relic
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M6 normally is already damn absurd, then there's full auto version of it?

dusty ferry
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i mean, the M6D is automatic

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its just the Z is like mega automatic

royal relic
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which is pretty neat

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wish we have more full auto options in game

wanton notch
versed helm
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fair

last anchor
stoic hamlet
lilac lava
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bes5 person to watch to learn about halo before CE?

last anchor
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Read Halopedia.

hollow belfry
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How come in reach the Mac rounds are unable to kill the covenant corvette?

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during the exodus mission seargeant stacker requests fire support to kill a corvette that’s raining down fire on the civilians but the Mac rounds are unable to damage the warship

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I thought Mac rounds were able to penetrate covenant armor easily?

last anchor
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Final Protective Fire 1 is presumably a mass driver, not a MAC.
The sound you hear when it fires is the same as the driver used during the Pillar of Autumn section.

Covenant ships, for the most part, require heavier shells to crack; the only weapon capable of puncing them out in one go was stuff like Orbital Defense Platforms, and if you fire something like THAT in atmosphere your gonna cause earthquakes.

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Also; plot requirement. Because I do not believe for one second that two missile batteries would be enought o cripple a corvette enough to ensure the escape of dozens of transports.

blissful robin
blissful robin
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Or listen to the audiobook version

lone flume
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Great book either way

latent olive
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How did the Covenant find out about the “weapons cache” on the halo ring during CE?

lilac lava
unique rune
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No, but neither of those are really important to CE.

lilac lava
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the beginning of it all

unique rune
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I mean in that case you’ll have to read the Forerunner Trilogy and the Rion Forge series. And some of the stories in the Evolutions and Fractures anthologies.

blissful robin
foggy condor
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Which d79 model should I get? the darkhorse one or the revell one?

lilac lava
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700/700 means ive gotten all mcc achievement

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if thats what you mean by spoil CE

steel stone
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Halo Reach mentioned Spartan teams echo and gauntlet and red

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Or are they talking about the dozens of dead Spartans from the Lone Wolf mission?

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The location they are fighting reminds me alot of reach's first mission where you suppose to get inside the base while Kat closes the door

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The outside of that base looks alot like that place from the pictures shown

stoic hamlet
steel stone
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My guess was they were the ones fighting under the pillar of autumn against the scarabs and lone wolf mission

stoic hamlet
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No, confirmed on… I wanna say the old waypoint forums.

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Then it comes up again in the newer encyclopedia, from memory.

steel stone
lone flume
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Yeah same. I wish they had a current app like Bungie uses for Destiny.

steel stone
lone flume
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I need to re read ghosts of onyx

lone flume
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Just stared reading Silent Storm

steel stone
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I wanna really start remaking places from the comics into forge in Infinite

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That part of the books where those Spartans where defending the generators, it fits so well as a firefight map

lone flume
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That’s a great idea

steel stone
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And the orbital defense generators too. That could be a firefight map but as a space battle

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Theres so many places from the comics Ive never seen anyone attempt to remake sadly its surprising to me

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My guess is because since its a book theres no pictures showing how they look I dunno

lone flume
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So far Silent Storm is a good read

grim barn
ember hedge
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We don't know the identity of none of the 6 Spartan II's in Beta Red.

lone flume
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Good lord there are a lot of Halo books these days.

ember hedge
lone flume
ember hedge
obsidian thistle
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Being a Halopedia admin sometimes brings you to fun lore! xD

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Finally recorded on the wiki (still need to get the pages more tidy as I aint 100% happy with em yet) the Corp Sports teams! 😄 Misriah Maulers has a pretty neat logo. https://www.halopedia.org/Misriah_Maulers

Halopedia
Misriah Maulers

Misriah Maulers is the corporation sports team of Misriah Armory that take part in OEM intermural sports.

last anchor
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The rest of those you could only get by buying tie in clothes right

dusty ferry
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Some of it was also twitch drops I think

obsidian thistle
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Only the charms are able to be gotten via twitch drops

fair hazel
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I am dissapointed people aren't talking about the chronicle

empty bloom
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I got a nasty cut on my finger around when it dropped while washing dishes and that precluded me bringing it up.

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To me, it reads as a somewhat clumsy way to get into Spartan equivelants being made by insurrectionists or non UNSC powers, because that's the most obvious twist this could lead to.

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Considering Optican is involved, and this is post-Created Uprising, it could also tie into Executors.

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AFAIK, the Created Uprising didn't destroy any and all companies.

humble mulch
empty bloom
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You people exhaust me. :3

humble mulch
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💀

fair hazel
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It was so cool to have Adam back

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Adam exists from a contest for halo wars

empty bloom
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Right

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"“Nor Fel’s getting a bit too confident now that she's sure the Created and ONI aren’t breathing down her neck,” Leon remarked as he updated the feed with the cargo manifest the Kig-Yar had traded. “Not seen these in a while...”"

last anchor
empty bloom
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So maybe I was too hasty in thinking that the Executors may be involved here.

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It could be on the Yappening armor we've seen.

last anchor
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I think it's probably more related to the non Spartan supersoldiers we heard about in 4 and 5

empty bloom
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But I can't say too much even though I know Sam's commented on some things we're not supposed to talk about in too great of detail of here, on Twitter.

last anchor
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Every company with money and resources is probably trying to get them. Optican would be in a better place than most

fair hazel
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the plan of healthcare for all being built was really cool

empty bloom
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But the pass has directly Grunt inspired armor, which is what I'm referring to here, alongside Buccaneer and the other armor.

empty bloom
last anchor
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There was that canon fodder for 5 with more details too

empty bloom
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Cartoonishly evil.

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Surprised she didn't put Chief's Cryptum on the train tracks.

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Oh, misread.

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Whatever, anyways

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It's neat to go talk more about shady company stuff. I like it when Halo delves into cutthroat corporate underworlds.

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Adds more depth to the universe.

fair hazel
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Adam's plan

empty bloom
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Yeah

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Interesting plan, that, wanting to revolutionize medical care in a galaxy gone to hell. It's interesting to see the perspective of someone sitting, watching the galaxy go nuts.

fair hazel
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but this stuff takes place in like 2560 im guessing so i dont thin its tied to the other super soldier stuff that was already mentioned

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i feel bad for the jackals

empty bloom
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I feel bad for Adam, because from the perspective of the Jackals, they just got tricked.

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Deal goes without a hitch for Adam, until the Jackals get turned into exploding pinwheels of meat due to high speed sabots.

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He got away just fine, and likely won't know what's going on if a Jackal Shipmistress batters down his door demanding her prize.

fair hazel
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that too

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also fort deen mentioned yay

meager pier
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Which species would you want to go out partying with? 😆

empty bloom
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Other humans.

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I have a hunch trying to hang with 8'+ tall saurians and monkeys might be hazardous for my health.

meager pier
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Grunts seem like they'd be fun party dudes

carmine sleet
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I wouldn't mind having a small gathering with Elites but any parties would be a no-go for me, too much noise

empty bloom
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Speaking of corporations

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I have a theory Kat's death is why Ushaia lost the contract to produce MJOLNIR's AA variant post HCW.

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Considering how rare MJOLNIR equipped Spartans are, I can imagine the UNSC's procurement department would be extremely critical of armor components failing; And Kat's helmet would've been the only recoverable helmet of Noble's dead.

carmine sleet
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That would be interesting, could be that there was a flaw that wasn't discovered or, more likely, wasn't addressed that led to those components failing

empty bloom
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Considering Needle Rifles have bounced off ODST helmets in the past in novels (Glasslands) and you actually cannot headshot ODSTs or Soldiers (Via helmet hits, not face shots) with Needle Rifles, and Needles don't normally overpen Spartan helmets in gameplay, I wager it's mostly exactly that; An unrealized flaw.

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Succinctly solves many of the problems with the scene.

last anchor
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I like this possibiltu

obsidian thistle
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I love working on the Halo Timeline! 🙂

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Finishing one major part of it feels great.

tight granite
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I don’t understand how Watanabe in Cole protocol is a Major. Isn’t he supposed to be a naval rank?

empty bloom
stoic hamlet
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Saved by the Prowler Corps from being tortured.

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Recruited to ONI

tight granite
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So how is he a major then?

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An army rank

empty bloom
tight granite
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Major is not a marine rank according to halopedia tho

empty bloom
tight granite
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That’s Lieutenant commander in marines I thot

empty bloom
tight granite
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I thot marines were part of the navy

empty bloom
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They are not Navy.

tight granite
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I don’t see marines listed in your link under UNICOM

empty bloom
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IRL marines would beat you with your own jawbone for that remark/

tight granite
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well im trying to learn

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Don’t mean to offend any marines

empty bloom
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They follow US rank structure.

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Look at US rank structure.

tight granite
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is it listed in your link somewhere I’m not seeing it?

empty bloom
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i'm playing EDF

tight granite
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Well I prefer halopedia for the fictional lore of the games universe. If it doesn’t list marines under the UNICOM ranking structure, I can’t take it as lore fact

empty bloom
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UNSC ranks use real life USMC, USAF, US Army, and US Navy ranks.

tight granite
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Why doesn’t halopedia say it then

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It doesn’t speak of marine ranks

empty bloom
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It did.

tight granite
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Plz show me

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I’m a man of citations

empty bloom
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UNICOM RANKS

tight granite
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Unicom doesn’t say marines under it. Only army and Air Force

empty bloom
# tight granite Unicom doesn’t say marines under it. Only army and Air Force

UNICOM forces include regular personnel assigned to terrestrial deployments and Special Warfare Command units like Spartans, sometimes attached from the Navy.
The Unified Ground Command (abbreviated UNICOM or UniCom) is one of two combatant commands in the United Nations Space Command military organization, alongside Naval Command, tasked with coordinating the terrestrial operations of the UNSC's terrestrial defensive forces.[1] It oversees the operational deployments of the Army, Marine Corps, and the Air Force,[2] though administrative control of these forces is kept within their respective branches.[3]'

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https://www.halopedia.org/Unified_Ground_Command

Halopedia
Unified Ground Command

The Unified Ground Command (abbreviated UNICOM or UniCom) is one of two combatant commands in the United Nations Space Command military organization, alongside Naval Command, tasked with coordinating the terrestrial operations of the UNSC's terrestrial defensive forces. It oversees the operational deployments of the Army, Marine Corps, and the A...

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I would be more of a jerk and do a 'let me google that for you' link.

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I'm not that kind of guy though.

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Just pointing it out because this is all very easy to look up and understand.

tight granite
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I haven’t been able to figure it out so it’s not that easy. I still don’t see the part you copied and pasted but I’ll keep reading and try to find it. Thank you.

empty bloom
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I literally just provided you every single thing you needed to read to understand the ranking structure.

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Only thing further I could do to help you is list the USMC ranking structure direct from their website.

tight granite
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Thank you

gusty star
fair hazel
gusty star
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It’s an amazing resource to find sources. This guy is using it as his lore basis, which is a bad idea

cold wraith
empty bloom
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Not happy to be doing so.

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But acknowledging that it's basically what I'm stuck with.

last anchor
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All we really have on it is the field guide is it not?

last anchor
stoic hamlet
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But no, Halopedia does have some issues. There’s a lot of lore, and pages can be left unedited for a long time.

last anchor
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The crew theres only human.

stoic hamlet
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After all~

steel stone
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This has had me insanely hyped since Halo 3 came out but Id like to ask what are the other Halos doing that this time? so many of them have insanely cool looking biomes, has anything been said about them?

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I got see Installation 03 which looked so awesome in Halo 4 sad I never got to explore it

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It was a redish looking Halo, my guess it was a red rocky volcanic Halo which would of been amazing to explore

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01, 06 and 07 and I think 02 were really cool too

scarlet hinge
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Installation 07's hologram, for example, showcases a thick smoggy atmosphere, but the in-game depiction in Infinite is earthlike

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the ones that haven't been specifically pictured could be pretty much anything, but based on precedent will probably be fairly earthlike in nature

steel stone
steel stone
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Question about that what would happen if there was a flood infested Halo Ring? that would be insane to see

scarlet hinge
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you do know infinite is set on Installation 07, right?

steel stone
scarlet hinge
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lol

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yeah

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the Halo 3 hologram projections haven't been relevant to understanding the modern state of the rings for about a decade

empty bloom
steel stone
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That plays into what you said earlier how they are out of date. In a Halo 1 terminal it showed a ring covered in flood I thought that was 07 but could of been 07 in a past state

empty bloom
steel stone
scarlet hinge
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in the terminal, he's discussing the options he has available to defend Alpha Halo, were it to become infested

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it's not actually an event that literally happened

empty bloom
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It is consistent with known blightlands.

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I do find it weird that Halo Wars 2 tends to depict blightlands as having just... Normal trees.

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Dead trees, sure, but they're just regular trees.

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Then again, they were super fresh blightlands.

steel stone
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A flood Halo Ring would be so gross, id imagine it would start morphing and moving pieces of the ring apart

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I really hope the other rings have unique biomes and stuff that makes them standout more

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I look at 06 and its VERY green looking. Id imagne if you explored that ring it would be Guardian from Halo 3 but bigger

scarlet hinge
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well we've seen 4/7 (plus two replacement rings) and they've all been more or less identical in that regard

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so i wouldn't hold your breath

steel stone
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I wont honestly but man would be really cool to see

scarlet hinge
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Installation 03's surface, from Mythos^

empty bloom
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We also see it in Spartan Strike!

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steel stone
scarlet hinge
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it's been in that Mythos art I linked, and a loft of the levels in Spartan Strike that Trench linked

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Spartan Strike's levels take place in a jungle environment

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then there's Escalation Issues #8-10 which take place in a more arid environment again

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in general there's not much reason to assume the unseen halos aren't as diverse in biome variety as the ones we've seen

empty bloom
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I think it'd be pretty boring to have them be all the same on the entire ring.

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Only exception would be a ring that is basically just a 'meatless' frame, with no 'land'.

steel stone
steel stone
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Id love to explore that

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How would it look though?

empty bloom
steel stone
empty bloom
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As much as I dislike Halo 3's general campaign and hate Warthog runs, I get how 3's blew people's minds back in the day.

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That's a hell of a last second. 'Look at this cool freakin ring skeleton!'

steel stone
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Still blows my mind to this day, did you know underneath that level is The Silent Cartographer from Halo 1? someone found the island. Its like the ring was rebuilding that part but was left unfinished since the Halo was tearing itself apart

gusty star
scarlet hinge
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There was a cut Battle Creek remake that was gonna take place on 08

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It's on the Cut Halo 3 maps page on the wiki

steel stone
scarlet hinge
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after Alpha Halo (Installation 04) gets destroyed in CE, the Ark builds a replacement for Alpha Halo - Installation 08

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then that gets destroyed in Halo 3, so the Ark builds another Alpha Halo replacement in Halo Wars 2 - Installation 09

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that one didn't get destroyed

steel stone
scarlet hinge
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that's what it used to be called by fans

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it was never a name given in an official media source

steel stone
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I see now

scarlet hinge
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the rings' numerical designations are akin to the hull identification codes on a warship - if you sunk the aircraft carrier Enterprise (hull code CV-66), if you make a replacement and call it Enterprise again, it'd be hull code CV-67

steel stone
scarlet hinge
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as it's the sixty-seventh aircraft carrier you've built

steel stone
scarlet hinge
steel stone
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Looking at the stuff they removed from Halo 3 it hurts my soul XD

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I really like Tempest's concept art looks so peaceful

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That Longsword though, had so many mysteries behind it

real steppe
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Lore question: are alien races allowed on Earth? Did some just stick around after the Human-Covenant war ended? Are humans chill with an Elite just walking down the street in Paris?

empty bloom
real steppe
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Yes to which? I asked three questions 😅

empty bloom
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The elite would certainly catch some stares. Maybe some scowls.

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There were both peaceful and hostile ex-Covenant hanging around on Earth. Including a few errant Brute packs who had been continuing to hunt humans, but also a slew of refugees from Covenant space due to the collapse of the Covenant-from those who couldn't go home, to those who wouldn't.

real steppe
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I see...

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I imagined there being maybe a pack of Jackals or whatever on Earth just attacking people

empty bloom
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Maybe, but Jackals are typically opportunistic and mercantile by nature.

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Few are really the same sort of madly determined as brutes.

unique rune
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I imagine people generally just kinda have to be okay with a Sangheili on Earth because it's not like any of them are gonna win in a fight with them lol

empty bloom
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That's part of it. You're starting a fight with a 7.5' saurian, that's a bad tree to bark up.

last anchor
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Nothing like having steaming hot meat served by squawking reptavians to make it feel authentic

tight granite
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I wish they’d reprint a collected edition of Lone Wolf

versed helm
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i made something with chatGPT and it may be a bit ridiculous and OP

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who made the earth/halo

last anchor
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Earth was formed naturally as far as we can tell

Which Halo specifically, there's 19 rings total (give or take)

unique rune
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The Halo rings were actually made by Frito-Lay in a Funyuns experiment gone horribly wrong

carmine sleet
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I thought it was Sauron

polar dew
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Well then we still need one more if there’s only 19

hardy tusk
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There's 19?

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I thought there were 7 with a couple replacements

carmine sleet
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Before the array that we see in the games were made, there was another set of Halos

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All but one were destroyed before they could be fired

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The remaining one became Installation 07, Zeta Halo

unique rune
carmine sleet
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We must dig deeper into the conspiracy!

versed helm
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how much does the gravity hammer weigh?

carmine sleet
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42.4 kilograms for the model seen in Reach

blissful robin
blissful robin
real steppe
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Sad

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I just think it'd be really funny for some Sangheili that glassed reach to be nervously hanging out on Earth

blissful robin
real steppe
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What species are on outer colonies?

blissful robin
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Venezia has Humans, Jackals, grunts, and brutes.

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Sedra has some weird subspecies

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There are likely one or two colonies which names I forget with mix Human and Elites

gilded mason
real steppe
blissful robin
real steppe
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Oh okay

blissful robin
real steppe
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Not really what i was referring to - i more meant UNSC territory
But that's neat nonetheless

gilded mason
carmine sleet
blissful robin
blissful robin
carmine sleet
carmine sleet
real steppe
gilded mason
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Sangheili, for that specific incident.

real steppe
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I see

carmine sleet
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Aye, it's only briefly mentioned but it's still former Covies settling on Earth, no doubt in less than stellar conditions

blissful robin
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It is a safe assumption, given ONI's and Humanity's predisposition to aliens, that they are not approved for settlement on Earth and are deported, either back to former Covenant space or a jointly occupied planet. The camp in Rio is simply to process said species that attempt to illegally immigrate.

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And since one tried to nuke the place, none of them are getting in.

gilded mason
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Honestly, I don't see why there'd be any Covie asylum seekers on Earth in the first place.

carmine sleet
gilded mason
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As in, why would they want to go to some place like Earth when there are thousands of better planets to choose from.

blissful robin
carmine sleet
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Didn't we literally have a conversation where me and others explained to you that ONI actively hires an Elite to help them out?

blissful robin
real steppe
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Oh wait,is there an embassy on earth from the Sangheili?

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That would make sense,right?

blissful robin
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Part of it is the Elites were in Civil War that the UEG could not be a part of, as of Halo 5

real steppe
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Sad

carmine sleet
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Being in a civil war wouldn't prevent Arbiter expressing interest in setting up an embassy on Earth

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And given Arbiter's wish to create a consort of worlds, I imagine it's something he definitely would be interested in doing that

blissful robin
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No, but there isn't any evidence of such an embassy.
There are such facilities on other worlds though, like the outer colony of Biko.

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With diplomatic discussions occurring there, on Biko, between an ambassador and a Sangheili delegation...
Until ONI let Sapien Sunrise wreck the place.

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The opposite is also true: there is no UEG Embassy on Sangheilios, but there are clandestine UNSC forces.

real steppe
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I think it's probably one of those situations where there is one but it's just not mentioned

blissful robin
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The Arbiter was living in a cave in Halo 5, there is no embassy

real steppe
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Isn't he literally leading an army in a civil war

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It's been years since i played 5 but i swear he was in pretty decent conditions

west lava
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Yes

blissful robin
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I mean you save him Halo 5.

west lava
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The game makes it seem like you came in the nick of time to save his life, but that really doesn't seem like it was the case

blissful robin
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But Sangheilios is quite worn torn, not a good place for a diplomatic facility

real steppe
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I see

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Fair enough i guess,hope we get an Arbiter game or something since the Arbiter is the best character in Halo and all

west lava
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No way the guy that killed Tartarus and escaped Installation 04 B was gonna die so easily

real steppe
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No way the GOAT is gonna lose

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(Please for the love of god just make an Arbiter game please it's all i want in life)

blissful robin
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Of course the Arbiter wouldn't die. Even if he was close to, they'd just let you save him.

carmine sleet
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In 5 I mean

blissful robin
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Last I checked Vadam Keep wasn't in great condition either after being besieged by Tel'cam

gilded mason
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That was 6 or 7 years prior.

carmine sleet
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Aye, they likely had time to rebuild

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Because it's unlikely every inch of Sanghelios was a warzone

last anchor
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Especially after Infinity gabe them new lake front property

versed helm
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I'm a slave 😦

empty bloom
real steppe
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Oh okay

empty bloom
# real steppe Oh okay

Anyways, we've known since around Halo 4 that there are ex-Covenant holdouts on Earth; Spartan Ops explicitly mentions Covenant Asylum Seekers residing in the city of Rio De Janeiro.

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In fact, that was where the Sangheili terrorist stopped by Spartan Teams was residing when he was put down.

real steppe
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Interesting...

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Swearing is prohibited? Really?

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Okay lemme retype

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Any mention of Jackals? I said this before but i think it'd make the most sense if Jackals were raiding and pirating and junk

empty bloom
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Wait, no, it wasn't Stalker Armor. The hell?

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I know Operation Marsh Flash also happened, being a post-war holdout, but that was wiped before 2552 was out.

stoic hamlet
real steppe
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Gotcha

empty bloom
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Huh. I'm sure the mention on brute holdouts is somewhere. Weird.

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Aah, it was the Halo 5 Rex Visor, my bad.

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Prototypes of that were used to hunt Brute holdouts on Tribute and Earth.

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A planet's a big place, especially post-war. But yeah, technically, an Asylum Seeker might not be a refugee. It's a whole legal definition deal. I'd call them refugees if they're known, but really, it's splitting hairs here.

empty bloom
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But this all is unfortunately centered around a lack of specifics.

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We know they exist, in significant enough numbers for it to be a known quality of Earth, but that's all we know. Lots of leeway in how that gets interpreted. More than zero, less than almost anywhere.

blissful robin
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For all we know ONI deported them all.

runic wharf
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please

stoic hamlet
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The UEG would handle deportation, not ONI. That’s not really their area of expertise.

empty bloom
#

Even then that's a task easier said than done. Deport them where? The joint occupation zone's kind of the only place, but even then you need ships and the crews to handle them to do that.

unique rune
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Given their post history I’m sure their idea of deportation means vented out of an airlock.

empty bloom
#

I mean, probably.

blissful robin
meager pier
royal tartan
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@knotty kindle
Lore question

lucid gale
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Just started reading the second book of the trilogy of the forerunners

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I didn't expect Chakas to be 343 Guilty Spark

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Damn, I loved that character

dusky lava
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Just wanna make sure im remembering this right, I finsihed reading fall of reach a couole months ago and I want to remember correctly (spoilers for fall of reach even tho its really old) || Fred and Kelly were on Reach and believed to be dead, right? (ofc they arent actually dead but I assume this will be explained in later books), and Linda was in a coma of sort when she was on that station with Chief? Did I get that right? ||

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
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But they survived

lucid gale
lucid gale
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Also

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The didact

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From the first book

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I loved bornstellar

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Why they did that choice idk

cedar moss
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Does guilty spark ever die this mf is annoying

carmine sleet
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You could say he's died multiple deaths

void rivet
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Is their a way to write a book, pitch story ideas, or create a animation series or just a film for halo like the final say could be approved by 343 Idk 🤷🏼‍♂️

empty bloom
humble mulch
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is reckoning canon

scarlet hinge
humble mulch
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season 5, reckoning. i hear stories that spartans are now infected by the flood and that was the main focus of season 5, didnt know if thats what it was though or not

scarlet hinge
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over the past year, there've been several short stories published on Waypoint, termed Halo Waypoint Chronicles

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the Halloween story, Saturn Devouring His Son, focused on a 2556 Flood outbreak that resulted in an infected Spartan

humble mulch
scarlet hinge
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there's a full list of all of the Chronicles short stories here, with links to read them (or listen to the audiobooks)

humble mulch
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i just didnt know if the spartans in season 5 were those spartans or if theyre just spooky cosmetics. the lore pages make them feel like they are

scarlet hinge
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it's too vague to really put on for definite

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it could go either way, if we ever got a full visualisation of the story

humble mulch
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its really the lore page for Rusalka that makes me question if theyre the spartans from that story

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its really been something ive been wondering to myself. ive been a bit lost but ive had a friend tell me there are currently at least 4 infected spartans roaming the galaxy, but there are 5 in infinite. 2 armor kits, 2 store bundles, and the battle pass armor set

scarlet hinge
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there are no infected spartans roaming the galaxy

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in the story, the site is vapourised in a nuclear bombardment by UNSC Saturn, a heavy frigate overseeing the operation

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it's left ambiguous whether one of the infected miners was able to escape on a Condor, but everything else in the area was nuked

humble mulch
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its just something ive been thinking about. as far as im aware, the stories were posted with the update so it felt like they would be more connected

scarlet hinge
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they're certainly connected, but i imagine whether the in-game cosmetics are literally those Spartans is probably a level of splitting hairs that was never really intended

humble mulch
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thing is i remember infected spartans in halo 4, but they looked way different, yet people are saying its only now canon that spartans have been infected by the flood

scarlet hinge
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the infected Spartans in Halo 4 was just a multiplayer thing

humble mulch
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could that apply here

scarlet hinge
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yes

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the only infected Spartans, as far as canon is concerned, are those from that short story

humble mulch
#

which are now, as far as we know, dead, along with the rest of that flood outbreak correct?

scarlet hinge
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yep

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there's a possibility there have been other such outbreaks, but if so, they've yet to be depicted or mentioned

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nothing rules out that other events haven't occurred before

humble mulch
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but this is the first we know of

scarlet hinge
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yeah

humble mulch
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kind of lame when you think about it

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i think having them connected more would have been dope

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as far as i know seasons and operations dont really have storys or lore, i think something like this should have at least some explanation as to why it exists. either that or its just another thing for kids to buy with their parents money

scarlet hinge
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the seasons used to have a larger ongoing story, but that was cancelled around the start of Season 4 due to the layoffs at 343

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it sucks, but it is what it is

humble mulch
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and reckoning was season 5, damn

scarlet hinge
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yeah

humble mulch
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well hopefully they do something with spartan combat forms. i doubt well see them in game, at least anytime soon, but now that we know it is in fact possible, it would be a way to bring the flood back and add something new

scarlet hinge
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well it's always been possible

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it's been very consistently clarified since the start of Halo that nothing is immune to the Flood

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the only thing that came close was some stuff regarding Johnson in First Strike, but that was retconned very shortly after by Bungie

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i'd be very surprised if the Flood show up in the next mainline entry in general

humble mulch
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at least with the original trilogy, it always felt like the flood were the main antagonists, not the covenant or whatever faction theyve become now. having them just dropped from the main story feels weird, even with halo 3s ending considering how much its implied that the flood will wait however long they need to to come back

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i could just be speaking nonsense

scarlet hinge
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possibly

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overall, 343 (at least, the side in charge of overall franchise direction - not the ground level writers making these stories) seems largely disinterested in those sorts of elements

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I can't say I blame them, given the Flood was always the part of the original trilogy that had the weakest reception among the general audience

humble mulch
#

that is true, but without the flood, halo is missing the horror element that made it stand out from other shooters (at least to me). sure other games have parasites and zombies but none have come close to how terrifying the flood is as a concept.

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i believe they could figure something out, but i dont want them forced in just to force them in

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i replated CE recently, and the library level sucks so bad with how much flood they throw at you, and i feel like if they force the flood in for no reason, it will feel just like that

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yknow if i just payed attention i would have seen theyre not the spartans from the story.

every single flood spartan in infinite is just a reskinned spartan from noble team

scarlet hinge
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given the time period, it's more likely, too, that Fireteam Leviathan was wearing GEN2 kit

humble mulch
#

only noticed it because i was looking at emile, and noticed his armor looked very close to one of the bundles i bought

velvet rune
#

You can look at installation00s latest YouTube video to see the math on this, but when Chief uppercutted Atriox at the beginning of Infinite, the force of that uppercut was 94.5 metric tons (or 208,300lbs) of force and Atriox took it like it was nothing. Brutes are insanely strong

empty bloom
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I'm sure the math's fine or whatever, it's more just, it's fiction, so it's inherently not going to be the hard number, even if you want it to be really badly.

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It's 'exactly as the plot demands'.

velvet rune
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Yeah the math was based on established values we know from the lore regarding what Chiefs level of strength and jump acceleration would be

empty bloom
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Considering how helter-skelter Spartan strengths in general are, that's... Not the best metric.

velvet rune
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We know how much he weighs, how much force he should be able to put out, how fast he can travel when jumping upwards, it was grounded enough to get a pretty accurate figure

empty bloom
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🤷‍♂️ And gamers are notoriously bad at sourcing information.

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I don't really care how, when, why, or what on the math, it's going to be inherently inaccurate because it's a belief based off of systems that are inherently abstracted off of information that will be, at its core, inaccurate.

velvet rune
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If the lore has established values required to find the force output he’d have throwing that uppercut then it’s pretty accurate is it not? Or has the lore been wishy washy about how strong chief is

empty bloom
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It has been very wishy washy.

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He's maxed out at lifting a hundred tons but nearly losing a wrestling match with a brute. We know a Spartan can't solo flip a tank, but yet a IV has nearly flipped a wraith by landing on it. Spartans weigh half a ton. A IV, after 3-4 months on Zeta Halo, after getting rammed into a wall by a ghost, shot until her sensors stopped working, and her armor was practically falling apart, managed to rip out the intestines of a brute in the process of beating said brute to death-until said brute was cowering and bleeding in a corner; This same IV struggled to wrestle Jega into submission less than half an hour prior.

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Spartan strength is all over the place. The most consistent metric is that they're basically mini doomslayers in melee, but even that's not that consistent.

velvet rune
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Ahh okay. In theory he should be the strongest he’s ever been, he’s 49 years old so he’s had 35 years for his body to get more acclimated to his augmentations and he’s in gen 3 mjolnir which has no cap on the amount of force he can output like the gen 2 from halo 5 did (which is why he didn’t destroy locke)

empty bloom
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That's always been cope by Chief fanboys.

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And a near willful misread of how GEN2 and MJOLNIR safeties work.

velvet rune
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From what I understand, GEN2s max allowed force output is that of an average spartan 2

empty bloom
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GEN2's 'typical' range is such that a Spartan IV and a Spartan II, wearing the exact same make and model of GEN2, will have the same equivalent strength, speed, etc, at least, on paper. That doesn't mean it holds the II back.

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It means that IVs benefit more from some inherent quirk of the GEN2 system, which is not elaborated upon.

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But it's likely connected to the fact that Spartan IVs have a nearly completely different set of augmentations that is similarly invasive but less powerful overall.

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(IV bones are implanted with a carbon fiber lattice, titanium reinforcements, and other fun things; They also have nearly every single organ in their thoracic cavity replaced or heavily modified.)

orchid kettle
#

That thing mentioned in Fall of Reach seems to be because the IIs were still 14 years old at the time, and were told that they needed to eat five square meals a day

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because they're bulking up

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but I assume after a point Master Chief just kinda plateaus

empty bloom
#

We do know augs in general 'solidify', so to speak, even if IIs, presumably IIIs, and IVs all need augmentation maintenance and checkups.

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But I never really got how that was considered a downside for IVs-one would think wanting checkups on your supersoldiers to make sure they aren't failing internally is a good thing.

empty bloom
orchid kettle
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For the IIs and IIIs at least, I just assumed is because they're children

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even if they're weirdly buff children

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Maybe they stay in their prime longer

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but I don't think they get stronger over time

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Like, once a Chief is twenty or something, he's more or less as strong as he's gonna be

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he was a growing boy who ate well and worked out

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but now he's busy doing a million missions a month

velvet rune
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“However, CPO mendez said during "the fall of reach" that spartans (IIs that is) grow stronger with age as they get more and more used their augmentations”

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Spartans also age a lot slower than normal humans so 49 years old for Chief is probably the equivalent to 25ish years old for a normal human.

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The rate at which their cells lose DNA after reproducing is a lot slower than a normal humans, from the estimates I’ve seen spartan 2s should live for about 200 years

orchid kettle
empty bloom
#

I mean, they get stronger with age, yeah, but that doesn't mean they never cap out.

orchid kettle
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and he just says "They'll only get quicker as they adjust to the alterations we made to their bodies."

velvet rune
#

That might be true, but being able to punch faster equates to being able to punch harder

orchid kettle
#

They just got out of physical therapy, recovering from the procedure

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Like, they have to relearn how to move in their supercharged, larger bodies

velvet rune
empty bloom
#

Little detail-Locke actually comes pretty close to physically overpowering Chief near the end.

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Anyways, if it operates like GEN2, both parties in GEN3 are still going to be pretty similar.

orchid kettle
#

I honestly wonder if Chief having the melee powerup perk in campaign is supposed to be saying anything in how he relates to Locke, or if they were just struggling to find any perks relevant for him

empty bloom
#

I think they were struggling a bit to find relevant perks. For example, Locke having a third frag grenade really doesn't make any sense.

orchid kettle
#

its clearly a metaphor for the three things he's been in life

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a Spartan, a hitman, an ONI agent

empty bloom
#

🤷‍♂️

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I mean

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Breakdown wise;

Linda and Tanaka have Advanced Sensors
Vale and Kelly have Speed Booster
Buck and Chief have Increased Strength
Fred and Locke have Frag Expert (and, apparently, Grenadier)

velvet rune
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“I'm pretty sure it was explained somewhere that gen 2 armor functions differently in terms of the liquid crystal layer amplifying the force under the suit. While Gen 1 armor multiplies the wearers strength underneath by a factor of x, Gen 2 brings the baseline up to the average level of a Gen 1 Mk VI armor-wearing Spartan II. It basically caps them at that level, while offering less chances of failure and being overall much safer to the user. People forget that while the Spartan underneath is definitely responsible for the overall success of the mission Mjolnir does the bulk of the work on the physical side. The Spartan project and Mjolnir project are married together.
That's why Gen 3 is a thing. While Gen 2 offered a bunch of QoL improvements to the Mjolnir platform in terms of manufacturing requirements, being user friendly, being budget friendly and overall safer to the individual Spartan, it doesn't do all that much for the Spartan Ils and Ills in terms of performance.”

orchid kettle
#

guess its harder to pick a relevant perk for the leader men

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who are supposed to just be "normal" besides

empty bloom
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Apparently the campaign bonuses are also weaker than the multiplayer Warzone abilities, with the sole exception of Grenadier and Frag Expert being combined into one perk.

orchid kettle
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and Osiris has TWO leader men in it

empty bloom
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It doesn't even cap users to the Mark IV level, what the hell are they babbling about?

empty bloom
velvet rune
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Gen 3 does weigh twice as much as Gen 2 so any spartan should be able to exert more force in Gen 3 if they’re putting their body weight into it.

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I did find concrete info saying that Gen 2 brings the wearer up to the force output of an average Spartan 2 but no one could say for sure that Chief would have bested Locke in Gen 1 or 3 there’s no value on how much stronger Chief is than an average 2, if at all.

empty bloom
#

I love how absurdly insecure people are about that fight.

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And things like this are kinda why.

velvet rune
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Now if we were talking about Sam here it’d be a different story, in theory he should’ve been the most capable Spartan period had he not died early on

empty bloom
#

"They're on par" is the official statement, and people just stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that statement in favor of bellyaching like it matters.

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They'd rather just powerscale and powerscale and powerscale like it's an inherent law of Halo's universe.

velvet rune
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If both of them had been out of armor it would’ve been over quickly for Locke 😂

empty bloom
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I doubt it, tbh. We don't know how wide that gap is between IIs and IVs out of armor in terms of degrees. It could be one or it could be fifty.

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Even then, just saying crap like that is just pathetically petty.

velvet rune
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What I haven’t seen pondered yet tho is if chief would’ve bested him with Cortana in his head due to the increased reaction speed from having an AI

empty bloom
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Problably about the same level of boring conversation.

velvet rune
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In all actuality when I see that fight I assume they aren’t fighting for their lives

empty bloom
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I mean, neither really was. Chief's not exactly in a hurry to kill Locke, and Locke would rather take Chief alive.

velvet rune
#

I highly doubt either party would’ve gone as far as to kill the other

empty bloom
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I really never got why people acted like Locke was 100% trying his damndest to kill Chief and Chief was the one holding back, tbh.

scarlet wraith
#

How is this chat more alive than the general chat? 😭

empty bloom
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Like, they both have no actual reason to want eachother dead, and Locke literally only pulled his pistol because he lost the coin toss with the armor lock and was in danger of failing his mission.

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It's not even like the magnum would've done much to either party, it just seems more like a reflex.

scarlet wraith
#

Also since halo infinite's multiplayer is a simulation and the helmets were coded in by the unsc/oni WHY DID THEY CODE IN CAT EARS!? WHO'S IDEA WAS IT ON THE TEAM???

velvet rune
#

If only chief had landed that shot to atrioxs head at the beginning of infinite 😂

empty bloom
scarlet wraith
empty bloom
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No matter what, the Infinity's out of the picture, and Atriox is effectively killed.

unique rune
empty bloom
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... Assuming he wasn't shielded.

velvet rune
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Atriox isn’t dead

empty bloom
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Effectively.

unique rune
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Getting artificially swole doesn't remove their ability to have fun lmao

empty bloom
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Different statement from is.

velvet rune
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Unless the end scene of infinite was a flashback

empty bloom
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For the purposes of the plot, Atriox is effectively dead anyways.

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He isn't actually dead, but the game, until the end, treats him as such.

orchid kettle
#

apparently the encyclopedia confirmed that he came back and is leading the Banished again after Infinite

empty bloom
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Yep

orchid kettle
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at least that's what Im told

empty bloom
#

That is correct

orchid kettle
velvet rune
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If there’s a round 2 the only way I see Chief besting atriox is by using weapons and abilities, obviously hand to hand combat wouldn’t suffice 😂

empty bloom
orchid kettle
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Bad Blood is personally the most fun I've had with a book about IVs

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and about dealing with the Created

empty bloom
#

I don't think we even know how highly rated A9 is as a fireteam, other than the fact it's massively overstrength for a IV team.

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Osiris was considered the best on the Infinity as of 5; One ODST.
Taurus: Prior history unknown.
Intrepid: One ODST.
Apollo: Changes constantly, no known ODST members.
Majestic: Two ODSTs (Hoya and DeMarco)

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It's kinda funny that we don't actually know the backgrounds of Windfall, Intrepid, or Taurus pre-Spartan except for Horvath.

orchid kettle
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I just meant in terms of them as characters and as a fun group dynamic

empty bloom
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Ah

orchid kettle
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probably helps that they're the only full IV team we get in a book

empty bloom
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I do like how many UNSCAF Spartans there are.

orchid kettle
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unless you're really into the Fireteam Shadow waypoint chronicle

empty bloom
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Well, it doesn't have the mandatory IV death that the last few had.

orchid kettle
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but otherwise it feels like IV teams don't really get to interact with each other much in the written word

empty bloom
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So that's something going for it.

orchid kettle
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IVs in general are weird in the books

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Namely in how much of a background element they are

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I think they're only mentioned in Kilo-5, Hunters in the Dark has two but I think their only purpose is to see Vale headbutt a cyborg so they can recommend her for the Spartan program

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I remember New Blood had a lot of eyes on it partly because it WAS the first time we had a firsthand account of being a IV

carmine sleet
foggy condor
#

Does the unsc have an airforce?

abstract wren
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yes

runic wharf
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@abstract wren why 88?

runic wharf
#

They wouldn’t display it outside their own unit too much, given SF’s tendency to prefer insulation against other units

abstract wren
primal vine
foggy condor
#

I thought that was the army, marines and navy?

polar dew
#

I think that it’s theorized the soldiers we fight with in long night of solace are Air Force and they fly sabres

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I could totally be wrong though I forget where I got that info

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
foggy condor
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Wouldn't an airforce be useless considering how the unsc operates?

carmine sleet
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Not really

polar dew
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The US has an Air Force and a space force

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It’s only logical that in 500 years they would become more specialized

carmine sleet
#

Having a fleet in space fighting a battle while also having to do all the air support on the surface of the planet likely meant the airforce still needed to exist when it comes to planets under UEG control

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Sure there is definitely overlap

polar dew
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Humans like putting things in special boxes and compartmentalizing everything

carmine sleet
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But like, it's not like they have Reach's air force flying off to Harvest to try and take it back. The air support there would've likely been provided by the various naval personnel who were involved in the battles there

polar dew
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I think it’s good to think of it in the way that most countries an Air Force but also have Navy’s which have their own aircraft on carriers

carmine sleet
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Basically

sonic lagoon
#

What was the worst prosecution an Insurrectionist could face?

dusty ferry
#

extra judicial killing, but i guess probably life inprisonment to death depending on what exactly they did (assuming they get arrested and not headhunted)

carmine sleet
#

I'd argue the Midnight Facility is worse than death

steel stone
#

@carmine sleet sorry i think this would be a better place to ask this since its lore related

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If I remember correctly the Halo 2 scarab was made for mining and construction and not too combat oriented is that correct?

meager pier
empty bloom
#

Air Force would actually make more sense than either, because orbital defense is actually the Air Force's job.

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Well, part of it; They run the Super MACs and coordinate space-to-ground fire.

wanton notch
#

Do planetary aircraft fall under air force while larger, slipspace-capable ships belong to the navy?

runic wharf
#

yeah

orchid kettle
#

Nylund was apparently originally of the opinion that there would/should have been only two branches in the UNSC: Navy and Marines

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which I wonder if people would be more accepting of if we essentially just called it UNICOM and NAVCOM

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where NAVCOM is just Navy but UNI contains everything else you would expect

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Like, there's apparently no CMA/CAA Army or Airforce, just Navy and Marines, but lore fans don't really seem to question it that much anyway

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(I guess the idea would be that planets should have been responsible for their own local security, while the CMA/CAA was essentially the federal policing arm in the colonies)

twin venture
#

Is there a lore reason why engineers aren't in halo 4 and later?
Where they freed or made extinct or something?

empty bloom
#

But then you'd have the awkward situation of calling ground forces 'Unies' and not 'Marines', unless their role was the classical Naval definition of Marines, IE naval focused littoral zone infantry.

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I dunno. I prefer the four branches approach because it implies and applies standardization to something that probably should be more standardized if local conditions allow for it.

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Army and Air Force are in-system and domestic, Navy and Marines are intended to be the fluid offensive force.

empty bloom
twin venture
#

I see.

carmine sleet
midnight badger
#

what happend to all the data cortana got on first strike in the covvie ship?

#

did the unsc get to use any of it

last anchor
#

All of it, alongside the Gettysberg, and the Engineers she shoved aboard it.

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Presumably much of it went into Infinity

midnight badger
#

ahh

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makse sense

golden spear
#

Has it ever been mentioned the caloric needs of a Spartan? Because with how much muscle density a Spartan has, they'd need a higher caloric intake than your average human

silent tiger
empty bloom
silent tiger
golden spear
#

Fair

silent tiger
empty bloom
#

They also have an intestinal bioreactor implant, apparently.

golden spear
#

But that doesn't say exactly how many calories they need though

empty bloom
#

Yeeep.

silent tiger
#

there’s no figure given I think, just that they can eat less and gain more power

empty bloom
#

We don't have an actual solid number. I assume quite high, and quite efficiently.

#

We only really know what they eat, not how much.

#

I'm pretty sure IVs can't get drunk, either.

#

Not sure there though.

silent tiger
empty bloom
silent tiger
#

yea

empty bloom
silent tiger
#

true, but I’d imagine drinking wouldn’t be nearly as popular among 4’s as it seems if they couldn’t get at least a little buzzed

empty bloom
#

Dear god do I feel bad for naval MP's who have to deal with intoxicated spartans.

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That's 250 pounds of "I can throw you hard enough to dent solid titanium A"

silent tiger
#

250? More like 1k+ lmao

empty bloom
#

Eh, I'm going with out of armor weight.

silent tiger
#

fair

#

wonder if there’s any regulations against entering a bar in-armor lol

#

for this exact reason

empty bloom
#

Well, we do know that Spartans had their own workout lounge on the Infinity. They might even have their own bar.

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(There's actually specific rules against Spartans using the regular exercise facilities on the Infinity)

carmine sleet
#

If a Spartan was in a bar in full armour, them getting drunk is the last of my concerns in that moment

silent tiger
silent tiger
golden spear
#

I am operating this on an inferred assumption, but my guess is specialized MREs exist for Spartans

empty bloom
#

They do, apparently-in a sense.

golden spear
#

Energy bars I believe

empty bloom
#

Horvath's armor, when he was critically injured by forerunner metal on Zeta Halo, drip fed a dense nutrient slurry while he healed his crippled internal organs.

golden spear
#

But yeah, a drunk Spartan is scary

empty bloom
#

Which apparently is a standard emergency device in MJOLNIR GEN3.

silent tiger
#

GEN3 is so crazy when you think about it

empty bloom
#

I think the safe guess is that IVs and such can get drunk, but it takes a lot and clears out of the system fast.

silent tiger
#

can tank Forerunner energy blasts

carmine sleet
#

I hope we hear from Horvath again

silent tiger
#

has bootleg SPI camo

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can survive vacuum for WAY longer than Gen2

carmine sleet
silent tiger
#

went from flooring Chief to barely bothering his shields

carmine sleet
#

True

silent tiger
#

crazy improvement

#

and the armor can heal way crazier wounds

#

on top of making spartans stronger

empty bloom
#

Gen depictions are super inconsistent, and it always frustrated me.

silent tiger
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I wish Gen3 kept the built-in thrusters

empty bloom
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GEN2 is allegedly less protective, but there's armors praised for being GEN1 levels or greater in the protection front.

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Which, yeah, sure, some might be less protective, maybe, but the GEN2 system in general is a wildly inconsistent system in terms of protection-because it's basically a massive spread of models on a base platform. Maybe an unequipped GEN2 suit has less protection, but Dynast would be way better than the GEN1 average, or at least should be.

silent tiger
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still confused on if the tech suit, software, and specific design specs define a generation or if there’s something else I’m missing

empty bloom
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Personally, for the purposes of my own sanity, I go with the design methodology being the primary factor in deciding GENs.

silent tiger
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only way I can think of that includes Hazmat and Rakshasa under Gen3’s umbrella despite different functions

empty bloom
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GEN1's built as a unit, GEN2's built as a hyperindividualized spread, GEN3 is... I don't know yet.

silent tiger
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that’s what I’m saying lol

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Gen3 seems like what specializations in Halo 4 were imo

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they meet baseline specs but are really specialized, and thus can still be integrated with other stuff that meets said specs

empty bloom
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Addendum, though, Osteo and Rakshasa don't really fall into a true 'gen' catagory. One's an official spinoff and the other's basically an up-rated and militarized spinoff of a civilian hazard suit.

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They happen to meet baseline metrics, but that doesn't mean they're real GEN3, I guess.

silent tiger
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eh, begs the question of what’s “true” Gen3. Like, Mark V [B] and other armors get “ported” to Gen3, like the Mark IV just did under Halsey’s specific instruction apparently. The shoe fits for all of them apparently, which makes defining stuff like Rakshasa (which I’m like 80% sure is just semi-powered and doesn’t have shields) hard

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I assume it’s the combination of techsuit, hardware, and software that defines a gen because of Mirage IIC’s description mentioning how it barely meets standards

empty bloom
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Welcome to GEN3 MJOLNIR procurement, where everything's made up, and the points don't matter.

silent tiger
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lmao

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the whole PMC aspect of post-war armor makes it more confusing as some of the stuff doesn’t even have defined manufacturers

empty bloom
silent tiger
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more fragile? why?

empty bloom
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Because Rakshasa's descriptions usually paint it as an incredibly rugged and durable piece of equipment that is significantly more expensive and robust.

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Mirage IIC's not bad but the plating is typically described as comparatively below spec.

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Ergo, if Mirage IIC's visibly fully plated but generally described as weak, and Rakshasa is typically described as durable and robust, it stands to reason that Rakshasa's plating is stronger, even on the back, than Mirage IIC.

silent tiger
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like, if you exposed both to the elements, Rakshasa would stand the test of time more

empty bloom
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Well, to be fair, it's only a guess that there's not a plate on the back. The only fixed component of Rakshasa suits you see in game that is actually hardmounted to the suit is the helmet and glove backplates.

silent tiger
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plus, it requires less maintenance than a more powered armor like Mirage would

empty bloom
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Seriously, the entire suit of Rakshasa short of the feet is covered in a superpowered onesie.

silent tiger
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is Mirage not also?

empty bloom
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

silent tiger
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more importantly this begs the question; Mirage is way more modular than SPI, it has me wondering if it actually inherited the camouflage of its predecessor

empty bloom
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Kinda? You can't actively see the techsuit of Mirage IIC.

empty bloom
silent tiger
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I just assume it does, as it was its only real advantage over Mjolnir. Wouldn’t make sense for it to not be a baseline spec

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wow

empty bloom
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I mean, powered armor is powered armor, and you can accomplish a ton with just a paint can and a dream.

silent tiger
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major oversight by 343 imo. It was its signature trait that made it unique, surprised it’s not an officially inherited trait

empty bloom
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I don't find it that weird, actually-if the choice was between shields and nonhot active camo, I'd actually go with the shields.

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At least, as a Spartan. If I were just regular infantry I'd go with the camo.

silent tiger
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Mirage is still built for infantry, though

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Dinh wore it prior to augmentation

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I’d figured the upgraded plating from the original SPI would allow more investment into the camouflage feature

empty bloom
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OH right

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We actually do see the techsuit of Mirage IIC

silent tiger
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yea

empty bloom
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So it is the poofy cloth

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Doesn't answer Rakshasa, which is visibly a jumpsuit over the techsuit, but whatever

silent tiger
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but anyways, all this to say I’m surprised camo isn’t inherent in Mirage

empty bloom
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I don't think it's mentioned, maybe it's still there, and they just never brought it up.

silent tiger
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hopefully. Because if it’s not there, it seems like just upgrading ODST bdu’s would have been more effective than sinking money into a whole new project

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without the original’s #1 benefit

empty bloom
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Well, technically, Mirage as a project is actually pretty old, and it always did enhance the strength. The real benefit of SPI and Mirage was always cost.

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It trades defense, overall power, and ability for a lower selling point.

silent tiger
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Mirage is old?

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thought it was pretty recent

empty bloom
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Yeah, it dates back to GEN1 (MCC).

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This goofy looking barrel of a Spartan.

349px-HTMCC_H3_Mirage_Crop.png
silent tiger
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isn’t that still dated around the twilight of the War, though?

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it might’ve been in-development alongside SPI Mark II is my guess then

empty bloom
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Relatively old? Dunno what a better word would be.

silent tiger
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because SPI itself was still secretive

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around the time the 3s were being trained and fielded at least

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like, despite the fact over 900 spartans were outfitted with it, ONI wanted it top secret. It was basically still in RND when Beta was being trained

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to imagine a MJOLNIR offshoot being produced at the exact same time feels a bit oddly timed

empty bloom
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Well, they were already doing some weird stuff inbetween with Headhunters.

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Might be the official term for them.

silent tiger
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yea, but even then that was still just SPI with shields

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wasn’t explicitly Mjolnir

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especially since there were Headhunters with Mjolnir

empty bloom
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🤷‍♂️

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It's confusing.

silent tiger
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it had a niche, but upgrading it past that point raises a whole lot of questions about what benefit it would’ve brought during the war if Mirage didn’t have camo

empty bloom
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Mirage is at least old enough to be GEN1 compatible, which implies at least being older than 5 years as of Infinite.

silent tiger
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true

silent tiger
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best addition to MCC next to the Sabre, Seraph, Broadsword, and Pelican

stoic hamlet
silent tiger
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that’s what I’m saying lol

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Mirage Gen1 throws a bit of a wrench in the timeline

stoic hamlet
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Not exactly.

silent tiger
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?

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having a cheap Mjolnir without SPI’s #1 perk in the field at the apex of the War seems a bit crazy

stoic hamlet
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I mean we don’t know if it can’t take the PR coating/plating.

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The gaps in the armour imply it can’t,

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But we don’t know.

silent tiger
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yea that’s what I was talking about. We don’t have any confirmation if the coating was baseline for Mirage I or II

silent tiger
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I’m more concerned with there being no official statement on it

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which makes the production of Mirage a bit absurd considering personal Active Camo had to be sourced from the Covenant until late into the war iirc

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SPI was the UNSC’s best replica

stoic hamlet
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arguably it’s better in some ways

silent tiger
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well, except Headhunter suits, which were still just heavily modified SPI

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so having a full Mjolnir port that’s arguably less useful than the Headhunter armor just makes no sense unless Mirage Gen1 wasn’t officially fielded

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and that still makes Mirage IIC nonsensical if it still doesn’t have SPI’s main advantage

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slightly less so than the first iteration since the war’s over and there’s actual room for RND, but if PMCs had the budget for upgrading SPI panels to Mjolnir specs I’d imagine they’d include the stealth capabilities as well.

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otherwise you’re still just a bulky target with less protection than Mjolnir and no way to compensate

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and that that point you’re just basically wearing MK IV that doesn’t kill unaugmented people, which imo is less useful than just not needing to get shot at while wearing armor that a full-force punch from a Spartan 2 only dented instead of punching through

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SPI’s defense was already pretty superb compared to ODST and army issued armor, its strength lied in its combination of cost, defense, and the fact that defense wouldn’t always be necessary

empty bloom
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Eh, I'd love to have plating that can tank a power armor spartan's punch. I doubt a normal UNSC helmet's capable of that.

silent tiger
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absolutely

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but regular SPI already did that, so I’m wondering why they’d make only the already-beefy plating stronger for Mirage without carrying over its main advantage

empty bloom
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Err, as an example from another franchise

silent tiger
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the armor was already Mjolnir Lite, removing the camo and beefing the plates removes some of its utility that might as well be filled by people in Headhunter suits

empty bloom
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Battletech has a variant of power armor light called Nighthawk Power Armor.

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Nighthawk's biggest draw was having stealth plating that made it practically invisible to most sensor systems.

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And it was typically stealth inserted and deployed amongst special forces units.

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However, a big issue was that the armor wasn't actually great for a standup fight, as though it could take anti-infantry fire to a degree and was generally able to shrug off attacks by other infantry armed with rifles, it lacked in offensive capabilities beyond first strike sniping and such.

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So in order to make the armor endure better and be more capable of taking on vastly more infantry, they stripped the ECM and stealth systems in favor of stronger and denser plating and an automatic grenade launcher integrated into the suit.

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Basically, Mirage IIC and such is like that grenade launcher variant of Nighthawk; Fulfils a slightly different role from the original to serve a different tactical niche, while retaining the benefits (In Battletech's case, it was having light power armor at all. In Halo's case, it's having a much cheaper 'baseline' assault suit) of being powered armor in the first place.

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Discard and draw, basically.

silent tiger
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makes sense, but the UNSC already had several armors that filled that role; Headhunter SPI and regular Mjolnir, the former certainly cheaper WHILE possessing the camo of SPI and the shields of Mjolnir. Mirage being ported to Mjolnir as a stronger solution to the original yet missing the stealth doesn’t make sense given this context because the role of the Nighthawk’s “launcher” variant was already filled

empty bloom
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Cheaper.

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Cheaper.

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They don't issue MJOLNIR like candy to everybody at all times, and regular unaugmented humans can wear Mirage as well.

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Which is also a significant boon.

silent tiger
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same with headhunter spi, though

empty bloom
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So?

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I mean, it's not like that matters at all, we don't know if that's cheaper-for all we know, it's a deactivated boondoggle for some unknown reason.

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Also, that's kind of an issue with Halo's procurement in general; There's a lot of weird overlaps.

silent tiger
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it was more effective than Mirage and had more utility, especially since Mirage wasn’t even issued en masse. SPI and Mirage were top-secret. In the scope of their roles, SPI and its variants offered more than its offshoot for cheaper

empty bloom
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Hell, that's an issue with real world designs.

silent tiger
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true

empty bloom
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We don't know hard issuance numbers for Mirage.

silent tiger
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we know it was buried by ONI under a facility on Reach due to being top-secret

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and that it was issued for top-secret missions, as well as that it’s a direct offshoot of their second-most advanced platform

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gives us a rough idea of its issuance and its role

empty bloom
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The descriptions for a lot of the equipment paints a pretty overall high amount of usage.

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Particularly with Mirage IIC.

silent tiger
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even if it was issued en masse that still makes me wonder what happened to headhunter spi and why it didn’t step up to fill the role

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of course all of this is assuming Mirage doesn’t have camo

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which isn’t a certainty

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so this is all just hypothetical

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maybe adding shields to SPI is more expensive than just upgrading the plating and everything else to Gen3 specs

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which would surprise me

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but you never know

midnight badger
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drunk spartan, oh lord

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imagine drunk kurt

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need a MAC round to make bro maybe decide to chill

last anchor
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Spartans dont get drunk.

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They're like Space Marines, their internal organs are fortified extensively.

torpid night
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Space wolves

empty bloom
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Gotta override that metabolism.

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I don't think they actually have anything that would specifically stop them from getting drunk, metabolism aside.

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Hence why I assume they just process it really fast and really well.

real steppe
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Is there any way humanity could have won the Human-Covenant war without the factors that occured in Halo 2 and 3?
If I'm correct,it seems the only reason humanity won was because of the good timing the Flood and the Elites being cut off from the Covenant had
Without those things,is there any way humanity could have won?
Probably not but I'm just curious

hot zodiac
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Changing "win" to "survive", one of the core ideas there is that the Covenant is actually teetering on the edge. It's all basically circling it falling apart from the top. Changing the specifics of Regret's assassination could be an idea, but it could easily wind up being something else.

ruby canopy
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Probably not. Without the schism it would have most likely ended with the events of halo 2. If Johnson and Miranda didn’t have the help of the elites, Tartarus would have succeeded in activating the ring. But the sliver of hope would have been if the gravemind teleported chief near the ring’s control room instead of high charity. And the alliance with the flood would have needed to happen then instead of near the end of halo 3

bronze prawn
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what cortana intented to with chief and blue team after taking over the galaxy

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left them in the cryptum forever

empty bloom
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She wanted to keep Chief and co in there for around 1000 years, until Cortana's work was done and the Mantle of Responsibility sheltered all.

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Because she believed Chief didn't understand her, but would once he was forced to.

runic wharf
bronze prawn
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cool

runic wharf
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The UNSC was completely illogical in how they approached the war and it stems from the fact that they fundamentally lacked the information and technology necessary to wage a concerted and focused war effort against the lumbering behemoth that is the feudal Covenant empire

wanton notch
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I wouldn't say illogical... They were taken off-guard by an entire alien empire that happened to be watching them for some time

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I think it was survival starting Day 1 of Harvest

bronze prawn
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the cristal on reach that halsey was researching

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had all the forerunners places in the galaxy, only the halos, or only the alpha halo

last anchor
real steppe
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Alright,thank you for the answers.

versed helm
empty bloom
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Because alchohol is effectively a toxin and gets filtered out by metabolization. If you metabolize quickly, you metabolize liquor quickly.

versed helm
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I do know how it works, thank you. It's just that this is really common, yet no one intends for them to be able to do that

empty bloom
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... Then why ask?

last anchor
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I mean in 40k they intended for it to work that way, it's why they invented Fenrisian mjord

bronze prawn
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how does the delation of the weapon works

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couldnt chief just crush the chip she was inside

west lava
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The chips don't exactly contain the AI, they are just another platform for them to be uploaded in

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In Halo 4 when the Didact destroys Cortana's chip, she is still around because she was already inside the systems of the ship
The tricky part would have been to get her out of the ship without a chip

golden spear
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Thinking about ancient Humanity, they were stupid for not warning the Forerunners of the Flood before they started a war

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I mean yeah the Forerunners were arrogant as hell

steel stone
humble mulch
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Just beat reach and I googled what happened to jun, apparently hes interrogating Halsey at the beginning of 4...but he doesnt sound like jun at all, so either they just replaced his voice actor or that info was wrong

steel stone
humble mulch
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Apparently he now has a role in leading the spartan program as well

steel stone
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Thats interesting

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he survived the events of reach, though how exactly isn't entirely known, he would eventually retire and be selected to run the spartan 4 programs, in halo 4 June makes an appearance, he is the guy interrogating dr Halsey (the same doctor he was assigned to protect during reach) in the intro cinematic.7

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I got this result

humble mulch
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Bingo

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Exact same one I got

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But it doesnt make sense since he sounds nothing like jun

steel stone
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Something still feels off about that being Jun, then again its sort of believable since the Artstyle changed everything in Halo 4

humble mulch
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It would make sense for him to retire after all of his friends died

steel stone
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I dunno

carmine sleet
humble mulch
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I havent touched 5 in years

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Called it

steel stone
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@carmine sleet Do you know where this came from? "he survived the events of reach, though how exactly isn't entirely known, he would eventually retire and be selected to run the spartan 4 programs, in halo 4 June makes an appearance, he is the guy interrogating dr Halsey (the same doctor he was assigned to protect during reach) in the intro cinematic."

carmine sleet
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I have never seen anyone saying he was the interrogator before

steel stone
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Same

humble mulch
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Because it makes no sense

carmine sleet
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And if he was the interrogator, Halsey would have recognised him

steel stone
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But I would like to know where that source came from

carmine sleet
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I have no clue where that statement came from

steel stone
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Maybe Halo Fanon

carmine sleet
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That wouldn't surprise me

tropic forge
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It was a somewhat common theory it was Jun, but the identity of Halsey's interrogator has never been revealed. There do have an actual identity for him, and have as far back as 2018---but we don't know who it is. Apparently there was some pushback on revealing it.

steel stone
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Halo fanon is tons of fun but I just really dislike it,

humble mulch
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So instead of saying its a theory they put it off as canon

steel stone
humble mulch
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Locke aint white

carmine sleet
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It definitely isn't Locke

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He was a Spartan by the time of Halo 4 (Assuming that specific interrogation of Halsey happened just before the events of Halo 4's story)

humble mulch
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Halo 4 messed up the timeline in a bunch of ways anyway

steel stone
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I like to think of the guy being a random ONI agent being all kinds of mysterious

carmine sleet
steel stone
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In that gen2 Mark 6 hybrd mix armor I dunno

humble mulch
carmine sleet
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That scene was not meant to be a literal representation of the events

humble mulch
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Chiefs armor was upgraded by nanobots between 3-4. So why does every Spartan in the intro have that armor

humble mulch
steel stone
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The nano machine thing I sort of understand

carmine sleet
steel stone
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But that flashback scene was awful, so many hate it

humble mulch
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But people will take it as canon, spread info about it, and now people are confused

steel stone
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When doing a flashback scene its important to be accurate to those events, so many disliked it and were confused by it

carmine sleet
steel stone
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They could of easily showed the Spartans in Mark CE armor or done anything else

carmine sleet
steel stone
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They had all the time to give us completely new elites, Spartan designs and a whole new artstyle

carmine sleet
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Those new assets were used throughout Halo 4, it wasn't worth the time and resources to make a Mark IV model for a single short moment in a cutscene at the very start of the game

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Believe me, I have seen stuff get cut in games I worked on

steel stone
carmine sleet
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Again, had they unlimited time and resources, I have no doubt they would've had it be armour that makes sense

steel stone
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Halo 4 was such a mess XD, I dont want to look like Halo 3 even though would of made more sense but man...could of been so amazing

carmine sleet
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To me, it seems like you don't want to acknowledge the realities of game dev for why certain things are the way they are

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Even Halo 3 had plenty cut from it, entire levels, weapons, etc

steel stone
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All I am saying is it feels very strange playing Halo 4 and honestly alot did feel this playing it

steel stone
carmine sleet
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I have heard those comparisons but it will likely surprise you to hear that much of what is in Halo 4 was previously planned back in Halo 2, such as sprint, loadouts (Which was introduced in Reach, not Halo 4)

steel stone
carmine sleet
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I have

steel stone
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Sprint has been in many games but does not make all of them COD to me. Calling in ordances and how the maps were done in Halo 4 MP thats where so many compared it to COD

steel stone
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Sprint in Halo 2 would of been cool but it didnt need that to be the success it was

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Thats an interesting thing to go into, personally I think if all the Halo games had a comfortable run speed, really dont think it needed sprint in my opinion.

bronze prawn
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somebody explain that of the didact having an ¿interview? with the gravemind

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and being the reason of part of his "rampancy"

last anchor
empty bloom
steel stone
steel stone
empty bloom
steel stone
empty bloom
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Honestly, the 'taboo' of Halo copying anyone is one grounded in an inherent misunderstanding of Halo as a franchise, and FPS history in general.

wanton notch
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"Omg, you can run and shoot in first-person. Must be a CoD copy"

empty bloom
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For example, killstreaks as a concept far outdate call of duty.

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Loadouts as a concept also far outdate call of duty.

wanton notch
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It's like saying, because you're a human character, it must also take from Call of Duty

steel stone
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The sprint in Halo 4 and the way players move did make it look like cod to me. I did get to play a bit of Cod MP and I did feel some connection there

empty bloom
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Sprint as a concept in the way CoD implemented it is still older than CoD's implementations, or around the same age. Ever hear of a fun favorite game called Star Wars Battlefront?

last anchor
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God I miss old Battlefront

empty bloom
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Doom, likewise, has sprinting. The first Doom. It worked like some perks in modern games; You could shoot while sprinting. Implementation was, of course, archaic, but the concept of moving slower unless you pressed a button is not novel or unique.

steel stone
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Im not a star wars fan but I did get to play a bit of Batllefront 2 and wow it felt like I was taking part in the movies it was amazing

empty bloom
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CoD's a convenient boogeyman but it was always just that when it came to discussing Halo's problems. Shooters in general are a product of convergent evolution and intentional imitation, and many concepts people decry as copying CoD far outstrip CoD in years.

steel stone
last anchor
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COD just happens to be the best known one thanks to the 2010s

steel stone
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I wanna make my own FPS one day

steel stone
empty bloom
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It is a sad day, my phone is at 1%.

steel stone
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No worries 🙂 Ima be here still

dense vale
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Hello everyone

carmine sleet
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@fringe robin Hey, not sure if it's something you need to be alerted to but the message above this one is kinda sus?

dense vale
last anchor
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No, we are not

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I'm a lore writer first and foremost.
And the lore for GTA is non existent

fringe robin
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this is not the place

dense vale
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I’m sorry

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Not trying to bother

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Happy holidays

unique rune
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So what do y’all think the gameplay for Unggoy Farmer would be like?

steel stone
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Grunt farmer what?

torpid night
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What we farming?

carmine sleet
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How can you be a Halo lore nerd and not know about the greatest bit of lore of all time? Unggoy Farmer is fantastic