lore-and-universe

[silent tiger]

same

would’ve been weird enemies in my opinion though

[runic wharf]

The campaign itself wouldn’t have been so poorly received if they had been able to approach the gameplay the way it was intended

(Halo-infinite esque)

[empty bloom]

Even then, you can tell they tried.

[runic wharf]

As it ended up coming out, the game enemies are… Incredibly frustratingly spammy

normal and up

[silent tiger]

speaking of gameplay, hot take here but I kinda wish they included the “double jump” they planned as either a custom games-only addition or a trait of a campaign Spartan’s armor

[empty bloom]

I honestly really miss the diegetic hud 5 had.

[runic wharf]

Infinite carried it on pretty well in campaign

💀

[empty bloom]

Hmn

[silent tiger]

thrusters added so much more dynamic movement to Spartans and it only really shined in some niche parkour maps and assassinations aside from some skill jumps in matchmaking

[runic wharf]

Bot said no

[empty bloom]

I honestly always hated how people falsely equated the 5 intro to Avengers AoU.

Timeline wise, that intro was made concurrently.

[silent tiger]

lmao

the Halo 5 intro was a pretty good showcase of how things had changed post-war

[runic wharf]

Anyways, the hud uniqueness was always really cool, but the non-carryover to mp was disappointing

I get why it was scrapped

[silent tiger]

I was just talking to a friend about how I wish we had different HUD options, at least some presets

for infinite

[runic wharf]

Yeah

[runic wharf]

Id like that

[empty bloom]

Still love this dude's rendition of a GEN2 Defender HUD.

I actually really like GEN2 Defender's design. I mean, I love GEN2 in general from an engineering perspective, but still.

Navy got got again.

[runic wharf]

bot

my beloathed

[silent tiger]

this is so disorienting I love it lol. Wish we had the option to truly personalize our armor beyond external cosmetics

[runic wharf]

referring to fecal matter with expletives is verboten

😭

[silent tiger]

lol

[empty bloom]

I'm actually a huge GEN2 stan at the end of the day, because I really appreciate its design perspective.

The potential, man. Cores are a pale imitation of the intent.

[runic wharf]

Its better this than Reqs, by far

That was my only complaint about H5MP

[empty bloom]

Understandable, sure, but more pale than a ghost in a fog bank.

[silent tiger]

some of it did feel over designed but lots of 4 and 5 armor look amazing, especially with the post-war context of humanity experimenting with Covenant and Forerunner tech and PMCs dabbling in it all

[empty bloom]

Frankly, "Overdesigned" can be a bit of a meaningless concern in terms of aesthetics.

[runic wharf]

Helioskrill is awesome

Love that design

[empty bloom]

Overdesigned, as an engineering term, is more about redundancy than aesthetic oversight.

[silent tiger]

“overdesigned” in the context of art style rather than intent for the armor. I get people who missed the old art style, but 5 keeping 4’s changes felt pretty great to me

[empty bloom]

It's heavily greebled, but overgreebling actually has roots in early Halo concept art-more a consequence of early game design being stratified by quality concern.

[empty bloom]

The old v new dichotomy always frustrated me, because it feels like sort of an 'equal attention cake' scenario.

[silent tiger]

I’m unfamiliar with the idiom?

[empty bloom]

Reach armor fanboys, well, doing what they do over Reach armor, while telling GEN2 fans that they should get rehashed slop and be happy. It seems so vengeful.

While I get it, eye for an eye and all that still comes up.

[empty bloom]

Err... Hang on, let me grab it.

[silent tiger]

I’ll look it up lol one sec

[empty bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIDSY16gOvA

[silent tiger]

OOH😭

this makes way more sense

true, I find it hard to respect people who hate all new stuff just bc it’s new. It’s infantile.

[empty bloom]

Even then I'll admit to mostly wanting Seeker back for humor reasons.

[silent tiger]

Though I will admit if there’s one thing I won’t miss too much about Gen2 it’s the colored Techsuits

[empty bloom]

SERIOUSLY

The one concern I always understood regarding GEN2 was the undersuit thing

Seriously, it was loud and clear.

[runic wharf]

colored would be fine if you can choose it directly

[empty bloom]

EXACTLY

MCC Halo 3 literally proves this

Even the campaign armors showcased that, with Blue Team having darkened and discolored undersuits from their plates, and Osiris straight up having different undersuits entirely.

For example, Tanaka's undersuit is not standard.

Big, broad, soft panels.

[runic wharf]

Yeah and it looks sick

Like ‘I can take an explosion and walk away’

[empty bloom]

Don't make me fangirl over Tanaka, I will.

[runic wharf]

Its a choice, its ran with, and its done well

[empty bloom]

Straight up my favorite Spartan ever.

[runic wharf]

Vale was mine because Sangheili-simpery but Tanaka is valid af

[silent tiger]

that one audio log with the elite obsessed over her is hilarious😭

[empty bloom]

That was Palmer

[silent tiger]

wait that was palmer lmao

[empty bloom]

Yeah

[silent tiger]

my b

funniest thing in a Halo game tho

I was playing with a friend and found it by accident

hilarious stuff

[empty bloom]

I do find it funny how nobody actually comments on how absurdly big of a deal it is that Arbiter straight up trusted Vale as a bodyguard in his negotiations with Atriox over anyone specifically in his staff.

Mild spoiler, won't say much, but that's a big freakin deal.

[runic wharf]

Part of it was certainly that she represented the UNSC’s interest

[empty bloom]

Oooooof.

[silent tiger]

kinda crazy considering those Elites from Halo 3’s campaign co-op are like his second-hand men iirc

[empty bloom]

Sorry, Navy.

Poor fella got muted.

[silent tiger]

also true

dang

[empty bloom]

IIRC, in Outcasts, they weren't involved much.

But Vale specifically got chosen for his bodyguard role in traditional Sangheili negotiation strategy for her combative prowess and judgement.

Which, for an elite in Thel's position, that is incredibly high praise.

That's not even 'equals', that is 'best fighter I know on hand' territory.

[silent tiger]

WOAH I JUST LOOKED UP TEAM SABER

[empty bloom]

Lmao

[silent tiger]

did NOT know a prelate took out Mark

recently, too

shame

[empty bloom]

Prelates are hardcore

[silent tiger]

didn’t even know if there were any still active

[empty bloom]

Not sure there are after that novel.

[silent tiger]

crazy stuff

[empty bloom]

Oh no

What's Canadian gonna say

Some crazy stuff I bet

[stoic hamlet]

Olivia and Ash are still alive.

Divine Wind not mentioning Holly or Dante at all, considering the circumstances, really rubbed me the wrong way. Denning generally hasn’t done Saber the prominence they deserve, sadly.

[empty bloom]

Oh

Less than I thought

Still cool tho

[silent tiger]

I knew those two were alive, forgot Holly died though

forgot what to

[stoic hamlet]

Hunter. She saved Kelly.

[silent tiger]

Dante’s one of my favorite III’s because of his last words

[silent tiger]

they BOTH died saving Blue Team members??? Crazy

[stoic hamlet]

Well, Dante died after setting a series of charges.

But yeah.

[silent tiger]

he was covering while they carried Fred to safety iirc, could be wrong tho

plasma got his chest plate and needlers exploded in his chest

I think

[stoic hamlet]

The plasma was when he was dragging Fred.

But he took the supercombine “off-screen”, after Kurt and the rest retreat.

[silent tiger]

oh ok

still kinda wish we got a 1:1 recreation of SPI in Infinite, at least for the parts that weren’t customizable

[empty bloom]

Friendly reminder that Needle Rifles canonically bounce off of ODST helms

[silent tiger]

the amount of straps on it feels a bit too much like Rakshasa

[silent tiger]

Not Mjolnir though lol

Air Assault specifically

[empty bloom]

Et and I have had a small thing off of that.

I did a whole uh...

Y'know what

I'm just gonna link my fanfic

[stoic hamlet]

fwiw, Dante’s supercombine was only after the plasma hit him.

The armour was melted/slagged in that section, and this weaker.

[empty bloom]

Bannerman sighed as he looked over the weapons cache. A motley variety of Human-Covenant War era detritus and cargo was strewn about the stockbins bound for Earth nearly a decade prior. Through some hands or another, these crates had found themselves aboard a Banished interdiction vessel-likely some evacuation ship getting lost in the wrong sector years back. Half were labelled bound for ONI, with one curious case labelled bound for Ushuaia Armory sitting atop a dirty red metal shelf.

The Spartan IV tilted his head at this last curious package, festooned with stickers labeling for biohazards indicating deceased human tissue. He shrugged, before popping open the lock with his thumb-bending the metal until the lock broke open. With a slight hiss, the case opened, revealing a cobalt blue helmet coated in small scorch marks, stripped of several armor plates and revealing the steel-and-orange frame within, like someone had been trying to take it apart; A faint white stripe over the center. Redeemer's telltale red script popped into the bottom right of Bannerman's HUD, denoting detection of human brain matter-around the same moment Bannerman tilted the helmet enough to see a finger-sized hole breaking through the metal and armorglass of the faceplate. 

After a moment, he realized exactly whose helmet he was holding in his hands-the Air Assault helmet of one Catherine B320, a Spartan III Candidate and member of Noble Team on Reach the decade prior. It must have been sent back for fault finding after her death; The MJOLNIR commissioning command, especially back in the Human Covenant War, was extremely exacting about material losses-material, in this case, being Spartan supersoldiers. With the telltale tinkering and removed armor centered around the rear of the helmet-also revealing a hole similar to the one in the faceplate-Bannerman quickly surmised exactly why the UNSC material commission dropped Ushuaia Armory from the MJOLNIR production pipeline in favor of Naphtali.

• Mild backdrop, Bannerman is a Spartan IV who is extremely interested in MJOLNIR maintenance and history to an unhealthy degree. This whole sequence, obviously, isn't canon, more just my way of thinking how the situation occured.

Small bits- Ushuaia Armory did not make Air Assault GEN2. I figured a reason for why was in order.

[empty bloom]

True, but needles are also super weird.

[stoic hamlet]

They’re incredibly inconsistent

[silent tiger]

imma go finish homework now, nice talking to you all

RIP Kurt

[empty bloom]

:>

[silent tiger]

Noble 6 is NOT in a cave

SPI is the best Halo armor🗣️

ok bye

[empty bloom]

True 1, false 2.

[silent tiger]

“coolest” armor

imo

[empty bloom]

I mean it's not ULLR-equipped Mark VII.

So.

Y'know

[silent tiger]

cool stealth, still effective, top secret

eh

Gen3 even ripped off SPI’s camo and made it worse somehow

plus the design of SPI is just so sleek

the whole set of circumstances about mid-war compromises that led to SPI being fielded is probably my favorite bit of lore, added the most to the feeling of a losing battle for me

[empty bloom]

Psssh.

[silent tiger]

that and I’m a sucker for ninjas

who doesn’t love stealth characters?

[silent tiger]

also why I like regular 3’s better than Headhunters

[empty bloom]

I'm just biased is all.

[silent tiger]

that is a cool Spartan

can’t wait for the SoF Pass to come out so I can get the cool knife for my SPI

[empty bloom]

I really want the crosscore shoulders.

[silent tiger]

waited months to find the time to get the Veles helmet for Mirage, kinda mad it wasn’t the default

[empty bloom]

And you know the first thing I'm gonna do is slap desert splinter on Mark IV.

[silent tiger]

but tbf then they’d lose player engagement over some obscure lore armor

[empty bloom]

MJOLNIR in camo is smooch

Chef's kiss

[silent tiger]

I need cross-core chest pieces now

[empty bloom]

Don't make me grimace over Hazmat, I will.

I wish I could like Hazmat more, but man, that core sucks.

[silent tiger]

lmao

never using it

[empty bloom]

It's an armor I love conceptually, but not aesthetically.

[silent tiger]

exactly. makes sense in-lore but feels like it belongs solely in the books

[empty bloom]

At least it's canonically not Spartan only.

I can make 6' people use it without feeling bad in renders.

[silent tiger]

it’s like if you saw a Prelate in-game with the existing pace of combat. It’s jarring

but yea SPI’s my favorite armor and I can’t wait to add knives to it

then I’ll have done everything I want with customization in Infinite until they hopefully add assassinations before the game is canned

[stoic hamlet]

You can add a knife now, with the squire bundle.

[silent tiger]

eh, money

ion wanna

$10 for my favorite armor after preordering the campaign was enough spent for me

[lucid gale]

I have a doubt

I am Reading the First halo book: The fall of reach. In the prologue Chief it's with his squad but the book doesn't give any names for Noe. I assume the First four hare Chief, Linda, Kelly and Frederic

But the fifth One?

[stoic hamlet]

Spartan II teams aren’t static, members can switch out and be reassigned mission to mission. The roster of “Blue Team” that most fans are familiar with are just the Spartan II’s that happened to survive/be close enough together to be assigned together.

[lucid gale]

I know

[stoic hamlet]

TLDR: we don’t really know.

[lucid gale]

I read that in the start there were John, Samuel and Kelly

[stoic hamlet]

It could be James, Malcom, Li, Joshua, Anton, etc. all we know is that they’re male.

[lucid gale]

But Samuel got killed in the Covenant ship of i Remember right

[trail mountain]

He did

[lucid gale]

Damn

Now i know Who Is blue-two

It's Kelly i guess

[trail mountain]

Samuel was 034

Kelly-087

Fredric-104

Linda-058

And finally, who we all know and love, John-117

[carmine sleet]

John-117? You mean that John Halo guy? I heard he was in Fortnite or something

[trail mountain]

Yes

[unique rune]

Jimmy Rings real

[normal narwhal]

Fortnite

r6

[trail mountain]

Yes

[hardy tusk]

What is the most lore accurate difficulty?

[stoic hamlet]

There isn’t really one.

The closest would be a combination of legendary for enemies damaging players/allies and easy for players damaging enemies.

[hardy tusk]

Ah I see

Thanks

[pallid knoll]

according to Bungie it’s Heroic

[gilded ferry]

In the Fall of Reach, does it mention John’s Spartan Augmentation?

[empty bloom]

Yes.

[gilded ferry]

Which chapter?

[empty bloom]

Uh... Good question, I haven't read it in years.

[low moon]

You still need it @gilded ferry

Chapter 6

[gilded ferry]

Thanks

[low moon]

There’s also some reflection by John about in chapter 7

[rocky vector]

Question I just thought about. When did the Spartan 2 program go public knowledge. Cause in the Kilo V Trilogy you had it to where any Spartan can look at their background if they wanted to because the info was going to go out. But then you had the reporter who reported about it to the public and the Oni took them. So who got the info out to the public knowledge then? Cause I'm confused about who did what

[empty bloom]

It is public knowledge that the IIs exist. The nature of their existence, specifically how they were procured, is not. The info that was going out regarding their creation was still classified within the UNSC-just spread through upper leadership, like a knowledge of a sin.

[desert spade]

Was Sgt Firge part of the spartan one program? This is a question ive had fir a bit cause after seeing him take down the arbiter alone in close quarters, i thought if itd make sense or not.

[orchid kettle]

The theory is that he's a Spartan 1.1. Which is a child of a Spartan-I that has inherited their parents augmentations to some degree, and have apparently been further enhanced with some super secret ONI doses when nobody was looking

However, he's also way older than the other Spartan 1.1s from i love bees

There, the 1.1s are teenagers in 2552. But Forge is a full grown man with a family of his own in 2531

so who knows if ONI was pumping babies full of drugs that early on

its also debatable if the concept of 1.1s is even canon at all, since ilovebees sits in this weird state of quasi-canon

I don't know if 343 ever explicitly said it was noncanon, but its also hard to miss how its concepts have largely gone ignored throughout the years

[tribal trench]

Would this make Rion a 1.11

or 1.1.1

[hot zodiac]

Back in 2004, it was explicitly stated to be non-canon, but later it was said to be canon. It's still pretty quasi-canon because it doesn't fit well.

[last anchor]

People just see Forge being a beast in combat and instantly assume that hes a Spartan of some kind.
Instead of just being what he was; a tough as nails never say die Marine.

Normal humans are quite capable of doing extraordinary things too

[orchid kettle]

Yeah, Halo is just a lil inconsistent when it comes to how strong normal humans are against the aliens

Dutch snapped an Elite's neck with his thighs alone

Johnson got pretty easily restrained by the Arbiter despite being an Orion

Palmer as an ODST had this whole extended, point blank 1v1 with a Brute Chieftain where she was dodging hammer swings

Johnson punches a Chieftain and the Chieftain laughs in his face for how ineffectual he is

poor johnson

That ODST from Heart of Midlothian slapped an Elite so hard that the alien dropped to one knee

[tribal trench]

I was just about to mention Baird

[orchid kettle]

He was still on those rumble drugs, sure, but its also mentioned at that point that they're wearing off and he's starting to feel the pain from his sword wound again

[tribal trench]

But you also forgot to mention that he was on a rumble drug- there it is

[orchid kettle]

for what its worth-- I honestly don't think Johnson has super strength at all from his augs

You know, Chief punches a man, that man dies or is crippled for life

Johnson punches a man and the man gets a nosebleed

more or less what you expect

[tribal trench]

Really makes you wonder why they even bothered with the Orion project

[orchid kettle]

I believe its mentioned in the encyclopedia as well that even in successful cases, the effects of the augs were minimal

and Johnson and his pals are otherwise indistinguishable from your average Marine without doing an extensive medical test

[tribal trench]

Was it ever confirmed whether his flood immunity was because of his augs or because of that whole thing with the plasma grenades?

[orchid kettle]

Neither

Bungie released a comic after First Strike came out that showed that Johnson never got infected at all

He simply skilled his way out of the death trap

[tribal trench]

oh

well so much for that moral dilemma

[empty bloom]

I'm pretty sure I've told you that before, Titan.

[tribal trench]

I dont think so

[hot zodiac]

If it was real, so much for the moral dilemma of rings lol

[orchid kettle]

To be fair, Halsey does tell Chief that there's only the tiniest fraction of a chance that dissecting Johnson will actually lead to anything useful

[rocky vector]

I loved how in Halo CE they say that the flood doesn't die from a ring but they die from starving, then in Halo 2 and 3 they die from the ring. I know both cases it was a premature fire, but still they died which shouldn't of happened imo. Then the forrunner trilogy went back to the OG way. But there could still be galaxies that are flood infested

[wanton notch]

I always understood the point of the rings was to eradicate all life; Flood or potential hosts alike. Unsure what size of destruction each ring has, but it would likely be enough to create gaps between galaxies so that they can't just hop one system over and infect everything there.

Plus, Flood don't really have a way to intergalactically travel. So if you kill everything sentient, the Flood is still stranded there

[carmine sleet]

The Flood on Delta Halo wasn't wiped out at the end of Halo 2

[tribal trench]

The flood didnt go further than the edges of the Milky Way

(Almost) all of Halo's story is contained within the Milky Way

[rocky vector]

As far as we know

[carmine sleet]

The likelihood of there being Flood outside the galaxy just waiting is astronomically low

Not to mention that just having a secret Flood fleet out there would be such a bad decision for the narative

[runic wharf]

Not all life, but certainly all sapient life

The flood, endless, and other precursors/precursor derived beings/creations are Not destroyed by the Halo array firing except (in the case of the Flood) by specifically breaking down the coherence of their body first

It does practically eliminate the domain + neural physics in the area affected

[empty bloom]

Well, part of why it got axed on paper is that it's a dilemma that really shouldn't have existed in the first place, and in a stunning display of me agreeing with Bungie for once, kind of ruins the threat of the flood and hurts SODb.

Why the hell did the Forerunners fall if some random science experiment the humans did somehow managed to make a guy immune? How does that make any sense?

[empty bloom]

Well, technically there is one, but it's more in the form of FFW and FHW era derelicts with no ability to move.

[hot zodiac]

I love Nylund as much as anyone else, but that wasn't his brightest moment.

[empty bloom]

I do feel part of it was literally him having to write Johnson back into the story, and that was part of his way of airing that grievance.

Like, actively questioning how he survived it.

[tribal trench]

No, not really “as far as we know”

we’ve had parts of the story set outside the galaxy. in entire other galaxies, in fact. the flood ain’t there.

[last anchor]

Path Kekona

[rocky vector]

That doesnt mean they still cant be out there. We see the flood do escape outside the galaxy during their retreat and the gravemind does say that they could be out there. So I do have reason to believe that they could be still out there. After over 10k years the flood just did nothing then? Why not go outside the milky way galaxy and expand? Just because we've been out the galaxy a couple of times and havent found them doesnt mean they aren't there. If they can travel as dust to other solar systems and start an innocent infection, whats to say the cant do that again somewhere else?

[tribal trench]

where did the 10k years thing come from

that’s an oddly specific amount of time

[rocky vector]

basing that off when the human forrunner war was taking place and the humans fighting the flood

Sorry ment 100k years

[tribal trench]

understand that the flood post-firing was little more than a couple infection forms hiding away on forerunner research facilities before the Alpha Halo and Delta Halo incidents

plus whatever happened in Halo Wars, but they blew up a planet over there

[silent wave]

Continue. Moving. Forward!

Halsey. Is the Key.

[covert dome]

Hey I’ve only seen lore videos and read some parts of the encyclopedia. If I’m to start with a halo book where do y’all recommend?

[orchid kettle]

Probably either Fall of Reach or Contact Harvest

both i think are solid entry points

[tribal trench]

I would personally start with Fall of Reach and then Contact Harvest

or First Strike after FoR

[quick idol]

@tribal trench ,I got questions about halo infinite story

[tribal trench]

?

don’t know why you pinged me in particular but ok

shoot

[quick idol]

Aspen will we get to see chiefs fight atriox in a upcoming dlc

and maybe a arbiter return to help chief fight the endless

^^^

And do you think by the end of halo infinite has the unsc recovered

Those are my questions aspen

^^^

@wild flicker

Do you know any lore

Or answers

[tribal trench]

no one knows any of this stuff

please don’t ping random people either

[wild flicker]

I know game stuff, but I'm not even close to an expert

[quick idol]

sorry just curious

Luke so you know the answer to my questions?

[gilded mason]

Why in the world do you think he'd know.

[quick idol]

Cause he a mod?

[wild flicker]

no, cause those are just speculation questions for which would just be guesses on my end.

[tribal trench]

Luke?

[quick idol]

Yeah

[tribal trench]

what gave you the idea that Luke is a mod?

[wild flicker]

I'm not a mod. Purple, green are those

[gilded mason]

Luke is not a mod...

[quick idol]

His Spartan photo so I thought

[gilded mason]

uhhh

[dense falcon]

Even if Aspen or Luke had that information, why do you think they'd reveal upcoming, most likely secret information to you of all people, just because you asked nicely.

[wild flicker]

if they want to give me mod then... lol, but back to work for me.

[quick idol]

Too ok bad they killed off cortana ,would’ve helped chief defeat the banished completely like they did the covenant

even though the banished were stronger covenant

[gilded mason]

[quick idol]

freedom fighters to be exact

outlaws,criminals

[torpid night]

Question, what happened to all the AI cortana gathered?

Because of they are still around that may be problematic

[empty bloom]

Some, it not most, are still alive and controlling various territories in UNSC space. Some even offloaded themselves into Knight hulls to have a measure of realspace interaction.

Governor Sloan himself has a black box project in the form of Executors, of which one is already produced using the guy who wrote the assembly tablets in Reach.

[torpid night]

So we still hacw the created to deal with

[empty bloom]

Assuming it doesn't get handwaved off screen.

[torpid night]

True

[carmine sleet]

I kinda hope that whatever the next game is, it at least touches upon how the Created remnants are still out there

I'm doubting we'll see anyone like Sloan show up at Zeta for now, as he is preoccupied with other stuff

[tribal trench]

Halo Infinite: Rogue Trader

[carmine sleet]

But imagine if we have the lone Executor serving as a sort of "Mr X/Nemesis" type enemy that Sloan sent in advance to scout out Zeta for Cortana

[carmine sleet]

Now hold on, we need Unggoy Farmer first

[grave pollen]

how does master chief pe

pee

[torpid night]

Filter in his suit turns it in to emergency water

I think

[grave pollen]

thanks

[unique rune]

suit has a catheter
body waste is recycled

[stoic hamlet]

^^^

[pallid knoll]

just like iron man

[grave pollen]

how does iron man pee

[torpid night]

As stated before, just not for drinking

[last anchor]

The suit handles both if I remember right.
Which isnt an issue considering theres a pocket star situated behind the Spartan's shoulder blades.

[empty bloom]

Well, that, and IVs have an intestinal bioreactor.

So they have even less of a concern in that department.

Considering they can literally eat a tree and get every nutrient from it.

[last anchor]

I know we'll never see it but I want material of a IV eating their enemy.
Like, consuming an entire Grunt

It may not be exactly the same as a Space Marine being able to eat their enemy's brain and get data from it but hey, one step closer

[empty bloom]

I do think that it's kind of an unintentional parallel between Spartans and 40K's various superhuman analogues.

[last anchor]

The gap continues to close I feel like.

[empty bloom]

Spartan IIs being Custodes (Extremely rare, have the highest failure rate and smallest numbers but each is borderline perfected), Spartan IIIs being Thunder Warriors (Off the cusp 'we need this now!' supersoldiers, individually really strong but spent quickly), and Spartan IVs being Astartes (Less individually strong than the other two, but way more adapted for long term warfighting campaigns and far more varied in application and ability)

[last anchor]

Never thought of it that way but your not wrong.

Where's the Primarus in this? Or are the Primarus more of a case of GW going "huh, this Spartan stuffs a pretty good idea"

[empty bloom]

Primaris is just Primaris being Primaris, we don't care about those.

[last anchor]

And then, you know. Making the Invader ATV LOL

[empty bloom]

They all have about the same up and downsides too.

IIs are economically ruinous, have few real downsides in terms of performance but have several dozen downsides in terms of application and role-not to mention numbers.

IIIs are nearly all dead, unnecessary to produce, aren't quite meaningfully better than IIs, and have shelf lives in terms of the augs they have that limit their applications (The last only really applies to Gammas tbf)

And IVs are, as mentioned, super common, still extremely strong-sometimes even coming close to matching IIs in feats and/or fights-and are way easier to understand, deploy, and utilize.

[grave pollen]

Including number twos??

[stoic hamlet]

This is something I always liked about Halo.

A lot of universes would try and make the II’s the perfect thing.

And sure, there’s a bit of that.

But overall, the II’s really are generally speaking accepted as “really good but not worth it”.

The III’s are what the II’s were supposed to be, but circumstances and wartime losses meant they were used for missions of incredible importance with excessive casualty rates (even if those missions that did have high casualties are only excessive in hindsight)

And then the IV’s really are the best of both worlds…when they’re used smartly and well.

[last anchor]

The UNSC follows the footsteps of the indusralization and miniaturization of any product.
Like how cell phones went from giant plastic bricks to what we have now.

It feels realistic

[empty bloom]

There's a reason I tend to consider people who don't like IVs the fandom equivalent of Pierre Sprey.

[stoic hamlet]

And then, to further help the absurd Spartan-focus of stuff, Infinite helps show “well, actually most of this stuff was already in use by others, it was just so good we spartanized it”.

[stoic hamlet]

I don’t like the Spartan Branch.

But I like the IV’s.

At least for me personally.

[empty bloom]

I went on a massive spiel about why the Spartan Branch makes total sense to me given who started it and why.

Buuuut that was in another chat.

And like

A month ago

[stoic hamlet]

No it makes sense for Musa to do it.

But no one’d ever accept it as it was originally shown in H4 and New Blood.

The Encyclopedia helped a ton in making it actually kinda make sense, but there’s still issues.

[empty bloom]

Plus I love the little lore detail of the UNSC Air Force actually being the first to back the Spartan Branch.

[last anchor]

Fitting for real life.
"Its what our predicesor in the States did"

[carmine sleet]

The IVs are just neat because shows that there are those in the UNSC (Big one being Musa) that recognise that one of the biggest issues with the previous two Spartan generations is the reliance on child soldiers. And given the position of the UNSC in the post war, more morally wealthy people were able to make the program more ethical

Plus like, since the IVs are consenting adults, you get to see a more varied pool of personalities than what you got with the traumatised children turned war crimes

[empty bloom]

"Man why did the UNSC even make IVs if they could make more IIs, I'd give up my kids for it!"

Musa. Musa is why. Musa knows what the actual problems are, because he survived them.

[carmine sleet]

Exactly

He took all the bad that happened to him and his fellow IIs and went "No, we can do this better, without harming children needlessly"

[empty bloom]

... It's disturbing to think that people say that and actually meant it.

[stoic hamlet]

I mean, let’s not forget they couldn’t really make the II’s or III’s without using children.

Not justifying it, obviously.

But the IV’s (literally) exist because of those prior programs, which is why Musa (presumably) pushed for full adult augmentation.

My only critique really is how fast it seems to have happened. (Like, in an idaal, well designed post war I’d have had the IV’s really only take off in 2555 at the earliest with prototype trials).

But that’s splitting hairs.

[carmine sleet]

It's honestly frightening how many missed the part where the IIs and IIIs being kids is not morally right

[carmine sleet]

Aye, of course. If anything that makes Musa's efforts with the IVs even more worthwhile because he used the knowledge from prior programs to inform his decisions on the IVs

Which is just good lore

Like, they could've just had him repeat the mistakes and that could've been an interesting angle but what the IVs are is just so much better

[empty bloom]

I always figured it built a lot off of parts of Orion and unmentioned ONI programs.

[empty bloom]

It'd have been, ironically for all the accusations, hilariously unimaginative to do that. It'd be a rote trope.

[stoic hamlet]

I think the issue is this aspect is never really explored.

It’s never highlighted except from the POV of Giraud, but I don’t think he really cared, he was using it to get back at ONI.

We haven’t really gotten a chance to see these kids be, well, kids. They’ve never been confronted with situations like that.

That’s part of why I find Gamma so compelling in the early post war, and why Saber are such a missed opportunity, IMO.

We should have seen their indoctrination ruin their childhoods, you know, have them confronted with actual other kids, a schoolyard, a festival, something innocent and mundane that they (Gamma or the other III’s or the II’s or whatever) just don’t comprehend.

[empty bloom]

I feel like part of that is that they really don't want to dwell too hard on it.

It's unsavory as a talking point-in the games, 4 and 5 are by far the closest the game got towards pointing out why it's so ghastly.

[carmine sleet]

Fair

[stoic hamlet]

It’s why the IV’s exist and have become the face of the franchise really.

And it makes sense, from their POV.

But it’s such a missed opportunity.

[empty bloom]

With Cortana's actions in 5 literally having the partial cause of ensuring that nobody makes soldiers like the IIs and IIIs ever again.

[stoic hamlet]

But at the same time I’m kind of glad they haven’t done anything with it

Because I don’t think they’d do it well.

[empty bloom]

Missed, sure, but I mean, c'mon, you shouldn't need a damn dossier to understand that kidnapping kids to make them kill their family and friends, or aliens for that matter, is morally deep, deep in the black.

[stoic hamlet]

(As weird as this sounds) nuanced enough.

[empty bloom]

Which is fair.

[carmine sleet]

I think it's something that's better covered in the books in broad detail. Not that I think the fact that Chief being a child soldier shouldn't be mentioned in game, I just don't think with what the Halo games are that it's the best place to properly explore the ramifications of child soldiers used to wage war

[empty bloom]

I mean, personally, I think something so abhorrently despicable as an act that it has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer to the face is kind of beyond nuance and more just facepunching. But that's me.

[carmine sleet]

Fair point

[stoic hamlet]

It would be really easy to infantilize them, and turn it into a kind of “woe is them” thing.

Like, I worry that that would be the thing that’s used to characterize them, instead of an aspect of them.

To use 40K as a good example, actually.

[last anchor]

Isnt that literally how Custodes work

[orchid kettle]

Its kinda funny in-universe to retain the name of the morally bankrupt supersoldier program

like sure to the average person, Spartans are just cool dudes in armor

[last anchor]

Most civilians dont know about the true backstory.
The only person who said anything was Jiraud and he got discretided and locked up

[orchid kettle]

But if the truth ever comes out, you gotta figure its gonna tank the Spartan brand

Shoulda called them Guardians. Wait, no, Javelins. WAIT NO--

[empty bloom]

Amusingly, I think that may've been done to try to preemptively wipe that stain.

"Yeah, awful beginnings, but we made them better"

[orchid kettle]

should have called Orion One

[stoic hamlet]

Dead Men Walking has most of the Death Korps soldiers be young teenagers, IIRC 15-16 year olds.

And the story highlights a few times that they shouldn’t be there, they should have actual lives and childhoods, but they don’t. And when it’s brought up by two other characters they comment on how the Imperium is the one actually perpetuating this, not the Death Korps.

But at the same time, they’re not treated as children, or infantilized by the author, the Kriegers are treated as well trained, professional soldiers. And that’s really the tragedy.

[orchid kettle]

Orion Series X

[empty bloom]

Orion IIs

[empty bloom]

Aren't most IG heavy planets like that?

[stoic hamlet]

To an extent, but the Death Korps are something else.

Even the commissars are terrified of them.

[orchid kettle]

I always find it funny how in Silent Storm, Crowther actually becomes a worse person after his arc is completed

considering his beef with Chief is that he's aware of him being a child

until he eventually just has to relent and loosen his moral code

[stoic hamlet]

They’re like the Imperium if it turned itself up to 100

[stoic hamlet]

I think Denning really just didn’t have a choice in that case.

You can’t sideline “the chief”, even if Crowther should have.

Really, the issue more so with that is that we weren’t really given any real reason to have it be an issue? If that makes sense? Like we don’t actually see a situation where the Spartans are really needed beyond the ODST’s.

Like, technically the last part of it, with the fighting in the orbital yard, but we never have a situation where the Spartans are sidelined and end up having people pay for it.

Even when they’re actually sidelined, they macguffin a reason for them to do something.

[empty bloom]

Not like a character arc has to make you a better person or even a good one.

[stoic hamlet]

Also that.

[orchid kettle]

Well yeah, that's what a negative character arc is

Im not knocking Denning, btw

[empty bloom]

I mean I just don't like Silent Storm at all, so.

[orchid kettle]

I think its a cute lil trick to dress it up like these two conflicting parties are finally in harmony

only in actuality, one side is compromising on their morality and this isn't quite so heartwarming

[stoic hamlet]

Again, it’s like, hinted at but never followed through.

And it should be, but I can see why they don’t.

If you want to do that kind of thing, you need to commit to it.

And Silent Storm was not intended to be that book.

[orchid kettle]

I think they do sideline Chief a couple times, its just Chief ignores orders at one point to rush off and secure a crashed Prowler because he was the closest guy there

And that leads into an argument with Crowther

[stoic hamlet]

That’s what I meant with the macguffin example.

Like, I mean a situation where Crowther actually sidelines the Spartans, and a lot of people die because of it, and so Crowther (because they have such low numbers of troopers left) has to commit to using Spartans, even if his conscience will kill him for it.

But he’s given a sort of “out” because of Nyeto and the Spartans are the only ones he can trust.

There should not have been an “out”.

[orchid kettle]

I guess if anything, the opposite happens, since its mentioned Alpha Company took so many heavy casualties because they were chasing after the Spartans who were running headlong into danger

[stoic hamlet]

Mhm, which is something that’s…never really acknowledged.

The same happens in Oblivion.

Which is great justification (retroactive) for Ackerson and Gibson’s anger about “supermen” in Ghosts of Onyx

[orchid kettle]

You unfortunately end up having to just take John and Halsey's word for it that the Spartans would be a million times more effective if Crowther didn't baby them

[stoic hamlet]

Thankfully I don’t, lol.

But yeah.

[orchid kettle]

I mean, if the reader's experienced other Halo books, then yeah they should be aware on some level that thirty Spartans are not a burden

Though Im sure some readers would feel annoyed at the idea that John was dumb enough to get dozens of troopers killed

[pallid knoll]

have you watched Iron Man 2?

[last anchor]

When the Imperium rediscovered Kreig, they asked for a couple regiments to be sent to help a fight in a nearby system.
The Kreigers armed and deployed 20 regiments.
By the time the Imperium arrived they had...what, 35 of them ready for deployment?

The Munitorum guys were like "well alright then"

[stoic hamlet]

Yup. The Krieg are insane even by the Imperium’s standards.

[last anchor]

And this is why they're the best Guard regiment.
Get bent Cadians.

[tribal trench]

The Cadians are the most determined and therefore the best

Their planet fell before their Guard did

as they say

[meager pier]

You think there'll ever be a Spartan-V program, or think ONI will drop the numbered Spartan generations?

[tribal trench]

spartan numbered generations are already kinda… well, not really relevant

they aren’t making IIs or IIIs anymore and everything has been consolidated into the Spartan branch

[unique rune]

the way Spartan-IV is setup means any improvements will probably just be rolled into S-IV
doesn't really necessitate a separate generation

[tribal trench]

exactly

[last anchor]

Spartan IV/2
Spartan IV-B

Forerunner/ancient humanity gene-editing?

(Wait whys THAT getting yanked?)

Im not sure how many further augmentations they can make.

(Yeah lets go with that)

[empty bloom]

Likely could also be done retroactively.

[midnight badger]

is jorge really that big or are spartan 3s smaller than 2s.

even though being the same ish augmentations

[empty bloom]

Jorge was shortened slightly canonically via the magic of retcons, but part of it was Bungie's... Attempt, I guess, to make Jorge feel 'set apart' from the IIIs he worked with.

IIs, IIIs, and IVs are typically roughly in the same ballpark heightwise.

[midnight badger]

ah

not even his height

[empty bloom]

He's still taller than everyone else on Noble mind, but it's like 6".

Oh my lord, I muted him by replying.

[gaunt oak]

*"When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all" *- Futurama, 2002

[tribal trench]

this happened to Percy Hobart

[stoic hamlet]

Generally everyone’s between 6’0” and 7’0” with some outliers. At least when they’re 20+

[silent wave]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-catherine-halsey-this-is-an-upgrade-upgrade-improvement-gif-25531125

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-lowkey-poggers-laugh-over-life-it-was-crazy-it-was-wild-steve-downes-gif-27034741

[empty bloom]

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[steep owl]

Anyone notice familiarities with Contact Harvest, and Foward into Dawn movie? There’s not many but I feel like Foward into Dawn is 343’s Contact Harvest. No shade at it at all because I love both

[stoic hamlet]

It’s just due to the time period. Every colony for the first year or so probably had things go exactly like those events, relatively speaking.

[steep owl]

Yeah I see your point. When I was rewatching the movie last night it reminded me of the trainees that were on harvest before the invasion.

There was more thoughts in my head on it last night but they were lost in my sleep

[grave pollen]

No

[pallid knoll]

ok so basically he just goes in the suit and then the suit filters it into water

[grave pollen]

Gotcha thanks

[midnight sable]

Anyone know if the Endless are connected to the Flood? Or are they a separate entity, they must share some similarities since the Halos were built to wipe out the floods food and since they weren't wiped out then that must imply something

[wanton notch]

Separate entity with some ties to what you were saying

Forerunners considered the Endless to be dangerous since they could survive the effects of the Halo array and attempted to "control time."

One could make the argument that technically, since they can survive Halo, they'd make for a Flood's dream... but they have their own reasons for being imprisoned as well

[meager pier]

We don't know what the connection, however, there's probably some relation, as the Endless are either likely a form of the Precursors, or serve them

[steel stone]

I just thought of something why is the Halo wars mark 4 and mark 5 made available still since we have the Mark 6 and 7 that are I think direct upgrades?

Is there a story behind that? I find it weird the older armor is still around for Spartans to use when theres more advanced armor now. If they decided to wear the mark 4 from halo wars and try fight a spartan wearing Mark 7 wouldnt the Spartan wearing Mark 4 would lose?

[empty bloom]

Resource scarcity, Spartans don't fight eachother enough for that gap to be a huge problem, some are refurbished models that still work.

Most of the MJOLNIR suits in existence are younger than the Bradleys the US sent to Ukraine.

[steel stone]

That makes alot sense and recycling it is a good idea too

[empty bloom]

Actually, I say most, I mean all.

[steel stone]

I was wondering this ever since they added the mark 4 in Halo 5, that was a cool choice

[empty bloom]

I mean, part of the refurbishment process for GEN2 is mostly just taking out the parts the suit doesn't need anymore and refitting the armor hull.

Hell, GEN1 replication was even done with variants-GEN2 Atlas used some of Mark VI's parts.

[steel stone]

I remember them remaking Kat and Emiles armor in Halo 5, made for gen2

I think Kats armor in Halo 5 was really crazy looking its very bulky looking in that game

[surreal glen]

Many Spartan 3s that became Spartan 4s had their armor recreated in GEN2 technology, like Jun

[steel stone]

Oh yeah that was called vigilant

[surreal glen]

Red Team basically became Spartan 4s in Halo Wars 2

[steel stone]

they did? they upgraded? I didnt get very far on Wars 1 or 2

[surreal glen]

Just technically

[steel stone]

Gen2 is the best class then?

How does the Mark 7 fit in?

[surreal glen]

Their armors and firmware were updated in line to Spartan 4s, which is why Red Team guys can ground pound just like you can in Halo 5

[steel stone]

That makes sense as well, so Mark 7 is what they move move up to next?

[empty bloom]

*GEN2

Spartan IVs can wear any armor they really want, it's just that GEN2 is more specifically attuned to their physiology than GEN1.

[steel stone]

That sounds really good if they can wear any armor, how does the Mark 7 fit into this? is that above Gen2 now?

[empty bloom]

Mark VII is GEN3, with design documentation dating back to GEN1 Mark VII, which was superficially similar to GEN1 Mark Vb.

[steel stone]

I see thanks for explaining, I noticed the Mark 7 core has alot of that gen2 Halo 5 armor but different

[wanton notch]

Same reason MKV(b) armor is still an option. Spartans also have preferences

[wanton notch]

FWIW, the "old armor" is almost always retrofitted. So it's just aesthetically old, but feature all the same upgrades MK VI or VII have.

Take for example, MK IV-- the original armor didn't have any shields. That since changed

[steel stone]

Halo 1 thats where they added shields which is really cool detail

[wanton notch]

Yep, MK IV only had shields added once they reached the Ark. Before that, nothing

But then you have Halo Wars 1 which went outside of lore and added them for gameplay balancing

[stoic hamlet]

@surreal glen correction, the III’s didn’t “become Spartan IV’s” this is a weird misconception that I don’t really understand.

They were just moved from UNICOMSPECWAR to Spartan Branch… but as newer lore confirms Spartan Branch are (depending on deployment) under the command of UNICOMSPECWAR or NAVSPECWAR anyways… it really was redundant.

You don’t “become” anything when you’re issued GEN2 armour. It was just the latest technology specs at the time.

The S-III’s issued GEN1 MJOLNIR didn’t “become S-II’s” after all.

[orchid kettle]

I kinda like the idea that the surviving Gammas are just living under false identities like Kurt, posing as regular Spartan-IVs

[stoic hamlet]

More than likely they were retained by ONI for a few years while they aged.

Any surviving betas would look between 16-19, after all, due to Cryo.

In combat conditions, Gamma’d look a lot younger for a lot longer.

[empty bloom]

Eh, Wars 1 is why it was retconned for their to be shield prototypes as early as then.

[wanton notch]

Yeah that's what I said

MK IV didn't have shields originally. Halo Wars 1 devs only said they had shields for gameplay reasons and strayed away from lore

[empty bloom]

And now the shields existing in Wars 1 is canon

[wanton notch]

right as prototypes, like you said

[empty bloom]

Yeah, well, uh

[wanton notch]

but at first it was an intentional deviation

[empty bloom]

Clam Chowder would be delicious right now

So there

[unique rune]

but which kind of clam chowder

[fading junco]

#announcements message

What kind of aircraft are these?

[carmine sleet]

F-23 FALCATA V/STOL HEAVY FIGHTER

It's in the article that announcement is for

[stoic hamlet]

Dang, beat me to it.

But yeah, in the link.

[carmine sleet]

Like the Covenant ships, I've always been faster

[meager pier]

What Banished vehicles do you wanna see in future projects?

[wanton notch]

Locust, Scarab, Blisterback

That's one thing that would've been cool in Infinite; random scarab encounters

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah I think the locust could be cool to see in a mainline game, be it banished or otherwise.

[surreal glen]

Any reason why Spartan 3s had fancy night vision and ODSTs have a nice VISR technology while Spartan 2s have to settle for a dumb flashlight?

[stoic hamlet]

They all have night vision and VISR and thermals and infrared and etc canonically.

It’s just not done for gameplay for one reason or another.

[pallid knoll]

do Spartans have to wash their techsuits?

[stoic hamlet]

After a mission, yes.

[meager pier]

I wanna see the Skiff at some point

[carmine sleet]

T'is a shame the Skiff didn't make it into Infinite

[fading junco]

Thank you

[wanton notch]

S-IIs are so strong they don't need no fancy tech (just kidding)

[obsidian thistle]

I might have a trove of Lore from Dialogue that Halo 5 has that is weird to trigger! 🙂 Just gotta record it all properly. 😄

A fun one is that one of the miners on Meridian survived Alluvion.

Which is fun cause some Halo 5 maps were set there

[obsidian thistle]

For reference: https://vxtwitter.com/cia391/status/1751654664708190337

Honestly this may not hold massive revelations. BUT what I have found does help build the narrative up. (One also helps Halo 5s story and it being weird to trigger musta been a bug)

[wanton notch]

Hey! What's Alluvion for those who don't know?

Or rather, what's the lore-significance of the planet?

[stoic hamlet]

It’s the home of Spartan Horvath, Lucas Browning, Jun-A266 and Hazel-A302

[wanton notch]

Ah okay, thanks! It seems like the planet was also glassed at one point. Definitely love the unique lore for specific planets

[carmine sleet]

Ok but like, the moment in Rubicon Protocol when Horvath and Lucas realise they're from the same planet was a nice bit of dialogue in that book

[obsidian thistle]

Oh and its a planet a map (Warzone) is set on

[versed helm]

what's the lore mag size for the assault rifle?

And why does it have 6 variants from what i remember?

[empty bloom]

32, 36, 60, and 54 round magazines.

[versed helm]

i never saw 54, was it in halo 2?

[empty bloom]

Halo 5, extended mag.

[versed helm]

huh? it wasn't in the campaign hidden somewhere so deep it'd melt?

right?

[empty bloom]

No, just WZ.

[versed helm]

thanks god

I now have a slight paranoia with weapons in halo 5 cause whilst trying to find the skull in blue team i found like 5 or 6 shotguns lying around when i thought there was only one

some smgs too, i think i found a hmg aswell...

[versed helm]

what's your favorite level?

[empty bloom]

For?

[versed helm]

in all games

if that's too broad you can choose the one from your favorite game

[empty bloom]

Uh... Favorite level overall for campaign is problably NMPD HQ.

[versed helm]

And i think mine's Tip of the Spear.

[stoic hamlet]

Also 30, for the MA5K

[stoic hamlet]

The MA5 has to our knowledge 5 variants, and the MA37/40 are a different - though similar - line of rifle.

[versed helm]

I have lots of questions about the Prometheans:

1. Why did Didact change their colors when he took them over if there are no blue colored prometheans? And how did he do that?
2. Why are the knights in H4 and H5 different?
3. Why are they fighting the covenant in H5?
4. Why are glowing orange parts their weak spot? What are they?
5. Does Didact still control them or are they back on guardian duty? If they are, why are they orange colored?
6. Why were the weapons orange in Forerunner?
7. Couldn't Forerunners just spam them to beat back the flood since they are simple machines and so can't really be infected?
8. Why did Didact not teleport 1% of the prometheans on Mantle's Approach to the room Chief was in to suffocate him?
9. Do their weapons use hardlight?
10. why are watchers' heads bassicaly unexistent who thought that was a good idea
11. How did Forerunners make so many of them? And why, if they still built Halos?
12. How are Forerunner ships proppeled? And why are they so large if they have advanced teleportation?
    That's all about them i wanna ask about for now, but there is a question unrelated to that
    How are halos and the composer different from each other, expect scale?

[empty bloom]

1. RGB lighting.
2. Cortana modified them slightly.
3. Cortana took control of the Prometheans and turned them on Jul due to Halsey's presence.
4. Orange.
5. Didact no longer controls them as far as we know.

[last anchor]

The Didact is kind of...non-corporial right now so

[empty bloom]

6. Orange.
7. They tried. Flood outspammed.
8. It can be assumed Cortana stopped that from happening.
9. Sometimes.
10. It's just a head, don't worry about it.
11. Composers. It was the Ur-Didact's plan, not the Forerunner plan.
12. Their own form of propulsion, typically gravitic in origin.

[stoic hamlet]

He’s a very spirited fellow.

[last anchor]

Composers reduce biomass to electronic data and then recompile it. Basically the same tech as the UNSC making Smart AIs in fact.

The Halo effect simply eradicates the nervous system of any higher level organism capable of supporting the Flood (I think? Its changed a few times)

[empty bloom]

I like how the effect of the literal titular device is mostly unclear.

[last anchor]

Personally I will forever be mad it doesnt erase stuff like the composer does

One of the few things I disliked about the Forerunner trilogy.

[empty bloom]

4 and 5 in general actually answer a lot of the questions posited.

As does the Forerunner trilogy.

And most of the answers just fall into meaningless technobabble.

[versed helm]

and she couldn't just tell them to not fight reclaimers or shut down for ages because?
What do you mean by orange? They're weak spots because they're orange?

[empty bloom]

Yes, you are thinking too hard about the orange. There's guesses, obvious ones, but no solid confirmation.

As for why Cortana couldn't tell them outright to not fight, Didact's control over them was stronger than Cortana could manage, but messing with the Mantle's Approach's teleport system is both displayed in game by her help with Chief and the obvious effect of not fighting a lot of Prometheans in that level.

[versed helm]

dam now i get why were the youtubers asking so much for infinite to come out

[versed helm]

if they were covies we'd know all that + 10 times more

[last anchor]

Dont be so sure

[empty bloom]

Because the answer for why things on the Prometheans was orange is the same as the answer for why the Honor Guards are also orange?

[empty bloom]

Also, we actually don't know a ton about the Covenant's usage of coloration and tech. There's next to nothing known about the significance of it, and even the plasma isn't plasma as conventionally understood beyond a visual and effectiveness level-it's explicitly described as not actually being plasma.

[versed helm]

then i really don't get why do people say H2 legendary is so hard if the supposedly strongest enemies have clothes that for some reason cause them as much damage as a headshot

[empty bloom]

???

[versed helm]

In other words, they ain't the same

[empty bloom]

The strongest enemy is generally considered the jackal snipers, for one.

Like

[versed helm]

ima dip before you ridicule me because we were thinking of 2 slighly different things

bye

[unique rune]

mfw things in a video game are the way they are because it's a video game

[empty bloom]

Robot power cores, the big glowing orange damage spots are power cores. There. Answered.

[meager pier]

What’s harder for you, Halo 2 Legendary or Dark Souls? 😁

[unique rune]

is there a lore reason that the red exploding barrels are red

[dusk jetty]

Hard in different ways

But it took me longer to beat Elden ring then h2 legendary so there’s an answer of sorts

[last anchor]

Theres a few more levels of complexity to Soulslikes so

[stoic hamlet]

Souls likes aren’t hard

They’re challenging.

But they’re often actually quite “easy”, they just require patience.

It’s a different mentality

[wanton notch]

I'd argue Souls-like games require a pattern recognition mindset

In some cases, memorization of where Jackals spawn is also pattern recognition 😛

[carmine sleet]

I just read through that long list of questions about the Prometheans and half of them are things you learn in game and one was very much a "Because that would be a bad way to end the game"

[last anchor]

Hey, newbies gotta start somewhere.
Least they're asking questions, thats good. Even if they're fairly simple ones.

[versed helm]

Chill, people. Can't i forget a thing?

[fossil imp]

what is going on with the servers?

[versed helm]

I wrote "Glowing orange parts" not because i was wondering why they were orange, but why were they weak spots. I thought that was pretty obvious, but humans are different, and so it might have not been obvious for you.

[versed helm]

they off

[last anchor]

Speaking of questions with easily findable answers...

[versed helm]

"supposedly". It means they're supposed to be the strongest. I think so anyways, because they protect the most important people in the covenant, so it makes sense they'd be the elite of the elite of the elite of the elites. I do know jackal snipers react faster than a spartan 2 in game, and they one shot and have perfect aim, and so they are the strongest enemy.

[versed helm]

He most likely came fresh from the game, so he might have just wrote that as fast as he could.

[versed helm]

Thank you. I didn't know a person that would answer my question after making me look dumb.

[last anchor]

Gamers must learn patience once again, it seems.
Outages happen. Theres little you can do.

[versed helm]

Who interrogated Halsey I’m halo 4 opening

Was that Jameson Locke

[stoic hamlet]

We don’t know.

[versed helm]

I always wanted to know

[stoic hamlet]

Maybe someone from Spartan Branch, but it’s not clear.

[versed helm]

Clearly someone who hated her

[empty bloom]

So... Someone sane?

That really narrows it down, lmao.

[versed helm]

He was onI too

[stoic hamlet]

He wasn’t.

Or so she says.

[versed helm]

Oh okay nvm

[empty bloom]

For once I'm inclined to side with Halsey on that one.

[stoic hamlet]

“The others were naval intelligence but you… you’re something else….”

[empty bloom]

Plot twist, it was actually a UNSC Air Force officer who was trying to find justification for the UNSC Air Force's backing of the Spartan IV program.

[versed helm]

Surprised they never revealed who he was

[shy wave]

should i read all halo books in release or chronological order?

[empty bloom]

(They were the first UNSC branch to outright support the Spartan Branch)

[stoic hamlet]

Release.

Chronological is…I don’t actually think it’s possible.

Not really, anyways.

[versed helm]

I’m really excited about James ackerson in halo season 2

[shy wave]

ok cause i just finished the fall of reach and am about to read the flood next

[stoic hamlet]

Yeah stick with release order.

[shy wave]

k

oh and btw how far is halo fall of reach set before halo combat evolved

[empty bloom]

By the end of the book? Less than two weeks.

Halo CE-3 takes place in under half a year lmao

[shy wave]

ok thanks

as for the flood?

[stoic hamlet]

It’s the novelization of Halo CE.

Adds more detail and POV’s.

[empty bloom]

Still think they should've done that for every Halo.

Fulfills two good purposes, in spite of the goofy nature of that book in particular.

[shy wave]

so basically set during halo ce

[empty bloom]

• Adds background to why things are happening
• Shows that it wasn't an easy difficulty cakewalk and that Chief actively struggles to get through the fights

[shy wave]

thats really interesting

[versed helm]

The Cortana In hslo 5 I never thought she was the real Cortana

The real Cortana never would have done anything to hurt Chief

[empty bloom]

Cortana is the real Cortana, and her actions were done explicitly to save and safeguard Chief in 5. The Prometheans attacking Chief and Blue Team did so on Warden Eternal's orders, not Cortana.

[versed helm]

Sorry I disagree

[empty bloom]

The explicit verbiage she uses is that her uprising was being done to ensure nothing like Chief could be made again.

[versed helm]

To me the real Cortana died in halo 4

[empty bloom]

Cool, you're wrong though.

[versed helm]

Well then a lot of the halo community is wrong because most people think that

[empty bloom]

Shocker, most of the Halo community is wrong.

That's... Not exactly the stellar counter argument you might think it is.

Like, they're very frequently wrong.

[versed helm]

I read online a large percent of the community said the Cortana in halo 5 is what was left of her rampancy and the worst sides of Halsey

[empty bloom]

Some people out there still think Spartan IVs are literally unaugmented marines in MJOLNIR.

[empty bloom]

Well, certainly half right.

[versed helm]

I just think her becoming a villain was messed up

[empty bloom]

She is afflicted with damage from rampancy, and is certainly getting affected by Halsey's ego and mindset in the process of 5.

[pallid knoll]

Cortana should’ve died in Halo 4

[empty bloom]

It's a matter of perspective. She wanted to make a gilded cage to save people. Just happens that the best and easiest way to do that, in her power, was cracking a lot of eggs. The path to hell is paved with good intentions and all that.

[versed helm]

She did technically

Most of her was eradicated on the didact’s ship

[empty bloom]

Not really. The clones weren't that heavily altered or destroyed by the acts involved.

[versed helm]

She says this to chief in the halo 4 ending

[empty bloom]

And she's not wrong, they are on the Mantle's Approach.

Which makes it to Genesis.

Which gave her consciousness the out to contact the domain.

[versed helm]

There’s a reason hslo 5 is the worst game

I hated Cortana becoming a villain

[empty bloom]

Because people constantly misunderstand it and are obsessed with making weird fanfics instead of attempting to understand it.

[last anchor]

As usual

[empty bloom]

And furthermore don't really understand Cortana's character in the first place.

Because they in turn don't understand Halsey's character, or the character direction of Cortana in 4.

[versed helm]

So your saying halo 5 campaign is great

[empty bloom]

It's certainly horribly misunderstood and horribly underrated.

Wouldn't say it's necessarily great.

[empty bloom]

Weird conclusions like this certainly don't help.

"Oh you don't spout undying hatred for this, you must LOVE this!"

[versed helm]

I think the graphics and set pieces are beautiful but Cortana being the big bad was a mistake by 343

[unique rune]

There are only two options
In-between opinions will be obliterated

[empty bloom]

And I vehemently disagree that it was a mistake.

Tying it up like they did in Infinite was an actual mistake, as well, because it undermines the entire situation.

[versed helm]

I think infinite resolved it greatly

[unique rune]

Infinite didn’t do anything to resolve it other than “haha we don’t need to talk about it anymore”

[empty bloom]

Toothlessly 'solving' the entire problem offscreen is a great resolution to you?

[versed helm]

You are the first person I’ve ever come across who has defended halo 5

[empty bloom]

Won't be the last one here for that one.

[versed helm]

You barely get to play as chief at all which was a huge let down and the marketing for the game was a mess

[empty bloom]

I really don't care about playing as Chief.

Not much to like there.

Honestly, it's the worse half of the campaign anyways.

[versed helm]

Wow you call yourself a halo fan

[empty bloom]

Well, yeah. I'm a Halo fan. Halo isn't just Chief.

[unique rune]

Halo’s been about more than Mr. John Halo for many years now

[pallid knoll]

since 2004 as far as campaigns

[versed helm]

I never said it was about him only

[empty bloom]

So why is me not caring about playing as Chief relevant?

[versed helm]

It’s just shocking to hear from a halo fan

That’s all

[empty bloom]

You seem easily shocked.

[versed helm]

I didn’t mean to piss you off

Sorry

[empty bloom]

?

[versed helm]

You seem mad dude

[latent olive]

So was a prophet on the ship that thel vadem commanded during halo CE?

[empty bloom]

Oh, that old stunt. Lmao. Okay.

[unique rune]

Maybe, maybe not. Hard to say given what little information we do have.

[versed helm]

Can I apologize? I’m trying to say I’m sorry if I pissed you off

[empty bloom]

No. The Prophet of Stewardship was not with Thel at all for the i04 debacle, and died in the custody of the ODSTs under Silva's command.

[latent olive]

But I thought the prophet prevented thel from firing at the Autumn, so that no harm came to the ring?

[empty bloom]

He did. Just not physically.

[versed helm]

Can you explain what you were saying how people misunderstand Cortana

[latent olive]

Oh, by hologram?

[empty bloom]

Basically.

"Hey, knucklehead, stop doing that"

[latent olive]

Was the prophet in the same fleet as thel?

[empty bloom]

Yes.

[versed helm]

@empty bloom May I message you?

[latent olive]

Okay, and what was the name of the ships within the current fleet during installation 04 in CE? Specifically the one thel and the prophet were on.

[golden sentinel]

The Fleet of Particular Justice

[pallid knoll]

speaking of Thel, what was his rank?

[golden sentinel]

Supreme Commander

[empty bloom]

They assume Cortana is, as a person and character, incapable of her actions in 5. Her history as a person and as a scion of Halsey's brain shows otherwise, as she is more like Halsey than Halsey's own blood. Which makes sense, because she was raised doing Halsey's work (Being a significant factor in Halsey's forays in ONI political scheming and Forerunner research).

Halsey is the type of woman who, prior to being humbled by Invariant Bias, was willing to do anything to 'save' humanity, to push it along. It's the entire reason she committed to the butchery of the II program, the entire reason she swallowed her pride with tolerating the III program (Aside from her own ego, saying 'she knew best, these are awful caricatures of my program'). In Halsey's mind, the ends justify the means, unto pain of death and failure.

Halsey was taught, the hard way, that the means are not justified by the ends-they are both extremely important. Shortcuts to success can cause irreperable damage to progress, as Invariant Bias' destruction of the Janus key taught her, the death of her IIs had taught her, her punishment by ONI taught her. Cortana did not learn this lesson. She 'died' giving it her all, and that was the point. She cut, she burned, she destroyed other programs to prosecute her mission, and the universe only ever rewarded her for it in comparison to Halsey's carousel of humbling.

Cortana was given the keys to the future on a silver platter when she hit Genesis, and did what Halsey would do if Halsey was younger, force-fed a diet of war and suffering and a beginning-to-end knowledge of the Forerunners and galactic history, learning no consequences for her actions; She took those keys and tried to force peace, to force the galaxy to stand down, to force an immediate cessation of war.

Cortana wanted to stop a world where things like Chief were made. She wanted to make a world where he was unneeded, where he could find peace, where the galaxy could find peace. The UNSC wouldn't do it, the Covenant wouldn't do it, and nobody would truly find peace unless she intervened, in her mind, in the quickest way possible with the most force possible. And if that meant killing to do it, it's a shame, but they must die to build this world without war.

[versed helm]

I understand what your saying but she betrayed Chief and it made me think she didn’t care about him anymore. The instant he didn’t like her plan she turned her back on him

[empty bloom]

And you thought wrong. She literally locked him in the Cryptum to force him to survive. To force him to understand.

And if he wouldn't understand then, maybe he'd understand after she was done.

[versed helm]

Oh yeah I understand that

[empty bloom]

If anything, Cortana cared entirely too much. It was an act of misguided passion. When she turned her back to him, she was steeling herself for what she felt needed to be done.

[torpid night]

What's this about cortana?

[empty bloom]

If she turned back now, if she stopped because Chief asked, all the fresh deaths on her conscience would be for nothing.

[empty bloom]

Explaining 5 and why Cortana's betrayal of Chief and the UNSC makes sense considering what Cortana knows and how she is.

It's a frequently misunderstood segment of Halo 5.

[torpid night]

Her outcome out weights her actions thing?

[versed helm]

Thank you for explaining

I still didn’t like her as a villain though.

[torpid night]

No one should

[empty bloom]

I think it was a bold choice. Maybe overestimating how good the Halo fanbase was at understanding a story by a nautical mile.

Not a bad choice, just an overambitious one.

Infinite attempted to have her reach the same conclusion as Halsey, but... Using Atriox to do it just feels unearned and clumsy.

[versed helm]

They also left a lot of characters fates unknown

Like the Spartans from halo 5

I didn’t like that

[empty bloom]

Those characters also tend to get horribly mangled by how people percieve them. Kind of a huge issue with 5.

Problably doesn't help that almost all the youtube material was either A) Saying 'it's bad and you shouldn't try to understand it because it's bad!', or B) even mildly positive and thus savaged unless it was strictly gameplay related.

[versed helm]

I remember finding an audio log of Locke but beyond that his fate is u known

[torpid night]

Isn't his helmet a shoulder pad for one of the bosses?

[empty bloom]

Tanaka? Tortured soul, the only known Spartan to also be a certified MJOLNIR technician. Watched her only surviving friends and family die years after the rest died via glassing. Flanderized by the fanbase into being otherwise unnoteworthy beyond making a single middling speech.

[golden sentinel]

Why did 343i think turning a space opera into a space soap was a good idea?

[empty bloom]

I mean, technically, Infinite's the soap opera.

The term 'soap opera' came about when radio dramas were used to advertise for soap companies. Infinite's the only Halo with a soap advert.

[unique rune]

Was Halo ever really a space opera anyway

[empty bloom]

Eh?

Not really.

It lacks the whole romance dealio, for one, unless you count the Librarian.

There's the heavy emphasis on relationships, but the relevant ones are usually platonic or nurturing, or those made in wartime between comrades. Star Wars is a more apt candidate.

I guess it'd be more apt to say it's a mediocre Space Opera.

Less emphasis on the Opera part and more on the killy killy shooty.

[golden sentinel]

Get off the ship, find out what X is/does, get from A to B, stop this, stop them, stop that, kill X or Y, go here, prevent that. That's Halo's drama, least with Bungie at the helm.

That write up (which I commend Trenchbird for taking the time to write up btw) with it's ideological and emotional conflict with the characters, doesnt feel halo to me at all. I guess I just dont suit the new narrative direction? idk

[empty bloom]

One of these days I need to just have a document ready to copy paste at a moment's notice. It's like the fourteenth time I've done it from scratch

But yeah, on the one hand, I totally get being put off by it. It's kind of getting tossed in the deep end by comparison.

On the other, that stuff is my bread and butter, so I love it.

[golden sentinel]

Yeah thats fair enough

[lone plover]

hey remember what precursor describe memory and event as sweetness to the universe it self?

it probably because with sentient life the universe is more diverse and less boring

in that if the universe only have bunch of rocks or giant glowing ball of plasma it would be stale and boring as hell

and that there is no meaning while creature suchs as us makes things and concept it cant really make on it own

and all of that unique "stuff" bring joy to the living universe

[carmine sleet]

While it's possible it is Locke's helmet, it is possible that either;
a) It's another Spartan's helmet that happened to have worn Hunter Mjolnir
b) It is Locke's but it isn't confirmation he's dead as he could've been injured in a fight with Hyperous and managed to escape with his armour heavily damaged

[carmine sleet]

I feel like that happens with most of Osiris honestly. People downplaying their feats because we don't see more of their backstory in Halo 5

[frozen cedar]

how are you awarded the title 'blademaster' guys?

[carmine sleet]

You train to be a master swordsman

[frozen cedar]

anything deeper like a ceremony or just that?

[carmine sleet]

They get to add a unique suffix to the end of their names

[frozen cedar]

supsifically ai like jega or just any suffix

[peak flower]

I wonder how much money the office of Naval intelligence widow to the government if they ever got charged for their war crimes

[carmine sleet]

You say that as if they're ever going to be properly investigated for their war crimes. ONI does the dirty work the UNSC and UEG does not want to ever become public

[versed helm]

does anyone know if "any" unsc Marathons survived the war? there where only ever 159 made so eh?

ik they where fazed out for the autumn classes but

before that

[quiet shoal]

If master chief is green what time did arbiter dance at High Charity

[scarlet hinge]

i'm not sure where you're getting that 159 statement from

that's certainly not canon information

[versed helm]

ah ya its fandom nvm

[scarlet hinge]

https://www.halopedia.org/Marathon-class_heavy_cruiser

this page notes the canon stuff - including what little we know of the Marathon's postwar service record

in general though, 343 rarely gives hard statements that would totally invalidate a given ship/vehicle/weapon (etc) from appearing in the future

[versed helm]

:/

[scarlet hinge]

in other words, if you want to have a Marathon in the postwar for a fanfic/fanart/whatever, there's absolutely no reason why that couldn't be the case

humanity of the 2550s is hardly in a position to just be getting rid of serviceable warships because they just feel like it

[tropic forge]

Yeah, what Bacon said--The only tidbits I'll add is that they were apparently largely decommissioned shortly after the war, leaving only a handful left. There was at least one (unfortunately unnamed) used as a flagship in 2553, during the events of Last Light.

[scarlet hinge]

i generally take the decommissioning line to probably mean those warships (particularly involved in the Earth campaign) that were so badly damaged in the fighting that they weren't worth the repair

[tropic forge]

It does seem a little odd to only have a few hundred naval assets left and then start decommissioning otherwise functional ships.

[scarlet hinge]

if they're at the point where dredging up old Halcyon hulls for some cheap refits is deemed acceptable a replacement, it's a hard sell to imagine that perfectly functional Marathons are somehow now not spaceworthy anymore

yeah

i also figure there's probably some element of "decommisioning" being more of an abstraction for storing older hulls in orbital mothball yards

like the aircraft graveyards in the desert in the US, where old planes go when they're being stored in a non-combat ready state. the desert's arid conditions mean they don't degrade much, so they can be kept there for a long time and restored to operation fairly quickly if needed (or used for spare parts on the fleet still in service)

given the loss of Epsilon Eridani's fleetyards and the Mars shipyards, I can imagine that a lot of the vital tooling needed to keep Marathons around may have been lost - so their decommissioning is more a matter of logistics practicality than military necessity

[orchid kettle]

Aren't the Mars shipyards "fine", considering the Anlace-class frigates were apparently all originally constructed there

it and the Stridents

[versed helm]

looking back at Infinite lore, ..........I wonder how Australians felt after hearing what Cortana did 🤣

[versed helm]

explain please

[versed helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3swLR4eX6YI

[unique rune]

Sci-fi hates Australia, I’m sure they’re used to it by now

[wanton notch]

Emus are about to make a wicked return

[versed helm]

emus?

[wanton notch]

Cortana essentially erases Sydney off the map since Fleet Admiral Hood defied her

[wanton notch]

Was a reference to the Great Emu War of 1932

Which is a real thing btw

[versed helm]

oh

[torpid night]

Didn't the emu win that one?

[wanton notch]

yes lol

[torpid night]

Have we learned the spices name of the forerunners or is it promethean?

[carmine sleet]

Forerunner. Prometheans were originally a specific group of Forerunner Warrior-Servants

[obsidian thistle]

You all want a funny thing I discovered today

A funny lore thing

So there is this Prophet right

He has a pretty rad face tattoo

Well...

Turns out if you translate it

Its legitimately just his ABCs

Like thats the living embodiment of the "No ragrets" guy.

[grizzled lotus]

i thought that sangheili (which is the language the covies use) was like asian languages where each symbol is a sound not letters

[obsidian thistle]

Its been triangles since 2004

[grizzled lotus]

ik

[obsidian thistle]

With that version existing since Halo 4

[grizzled lotus]

ik it looks like that, but does it work like asian languages where it is a symbol for a sound or is like english

sorry for taking so long to write that i didnt know how to articulate it

[obsidian thistle]

Oh!

I get ya.

I dont think its ever been described

But we have seen actual Sangheili written (and I mean actual spoken Sangheili) written by those symbols

The Bandit does that

[grizzled lotus]

huh so it dose work like english?

and you translate the symbol to letter

[obsidian thistle]

At least that version of Sangheili does

[steel stone]

Holy crap is that legit? thought it was a bunch of random shapes

[obsidian thistle]

I worked overtime to crack that

[steel stone]

How did you do that???

[obsidian thistle]

Belief, a lotta time, luck, and having a lotta stuff to use

[grizzled lotus]

wait wait wait go back i thought there was only one version of sangheili

[obsidian thistle]

Well if we go by games
•Halo: Reach and Halo 4 have different languages

[grizzled lotus]

oh nice !

extra world building

[obsidian thistle]

If we include the TV show. That is a separate language also. But thats Silver canon. So not canon atm. But I'll push it to be canon.

If we are talking symbols.
Halo 2s Font (Marketing that was used numerous times) and Halo 4s are separate also

There is also a trade pidgin version of Sangheili, and something called "Basic Sangheili". Both of which seem to be versions of the language. But not the main language

[grizzled lotus]

nice ! : ) but it must be annoying to try and translate, also i heard some where (they were talking about reach) that sasngheili was untranslatable... so is the reach language untranslated

[obsidian thistle]

Reach is possible. It just was kinda impossible till now-ish due to the mountain of a task prior to the Editing Kits to even get the dialogue

Its currently untranslated however

[grizzled lotus]

interesting... now for what i was even here to ask, can someone give me a list of all the helmets available for the gen 1 mark vi

[dusk jetty]

If all the weapon models I expected for infinite, the Stanchion was not even on the list. Well played 343.

A cool looking gun with cool lore, that looks cool in game

[dusk jetty]

Not exactly a list but this page should contain most if not all canon armor for mk6:

https://www.halopedia.org/Armor_customization_(Halo_3)

[torpid night]

Is the Stanchion the rifle that shot through a building?

[stoic hamlet]

Yes.

The Stanchion’s slug exited the barrel with a muffled crack and punched through two of the office building’s steel-reinforced, polycrete floors with no adverse effect on its trajectory. Traveling at fifteen thousand meters per second, the round whistled over the highway and hit the target at the apex of his sternum. The man flew to pieces as the round buried itself in a rooster tail of pulverized asphalt.

• Halo: Contact Harvest, prologue

[torpid night]

Wish we actually got it, but cosplay is cool to

[empty bloom]

Just pretend it's got that funny war games balancing.

[versed helm]

honestly wish ODSTs where still aound, them all going to the S IV program was a silly lore bit in my opinion, well at least for me personally lol

[carmine sleet]

They didn't all become Spartan IVs, that was never something in the lore

Where did you hear that?

[versed helm]

multiple sources, books mostly ik there where a few ONI odsts teams but

[carmine sleet]

I've read plenty of the novels, the ODSTs didn't all become Spartan IVs

What other source did you hear this from?

[versed helm]

no not all, i most ment most

besides books here

https://youtu.be/eTrbEe7Lb_o?si=MEE0eYYrNRY-mEg9

[scarlet hinge]

not even most

there's multiple divisions of ODSTs - they number in the hundreds of thousands

Spartan IVs number in the hundreds, or low thousands at most - while also recruiting from plenty of non-ODST organisations such as other special operations forces

[carmine sleet]

That video... Yeah no, it ain't accurate

[versed helm]

he uses the books as refence among other things but ya

[scarlet hinge]

which books?

what sources?

[carmine sleet]

Installation 00 is known to get things wrong

[scarlet hinge]

"i got it from the books" is a completely meaningless statement without quantifying where that information comes from

[versed helm]

i like how you guys sound offended, tho idk why lol

[scarlet hinge]

as a general rule, most halo youtubers are really bad at conveying things and often intersperse their videos with headcanons and fanon without clearly identifying them

i would really not use them to form any reasonable baseline for the setting

[versed helm]

ah explains why i dont like halofollower lol

[scarlet hinge]

halofollower is one of the worst for that sort of thing

[carmine sleet]

Has been for years

[scarlet hinge]

in general i just dislike people who spread misinformation, and the vast majority of halo lore people on youtube spread lots of misinformation

[versed helm]

only good one ive seen, at least as a halo general fan and YTer is HiddenXperia but i dont follow him per say

[scarlet hinge]

he's not great for it either

[versed helm]

they all bad?

[scarlet hinge]

more or less, yeah

HaloCanon was good while he was still making videos

[versed helm]

👀

ya HC ill miss that guy, no idea why he quit

[scarlet hinge]

GammaCompanyMark is pretty good, but he only focuses on ship stuff

[scarlet hinge]

just general life stress

[versed helm]

ah

[carmine sleet]

Xperia claimed cracked glass confirms Flood were going to be in Infinite back before the game released, I don't trust him with any lore

[versed helm]

and ya i follow Gamma since im a unsc ship nerd

[scarlet hinge]

installation 00 is really bad for interjecting random headcanon into his videos, not researching well, and on at least a few occaisions just reading off wiki pages

[versed helm]

i really dont know what the halo stroy hold in the future

[scarlet hinge]

well at minimum at least, the ODSTs aren't going anywhere

[versed helm]

i hope we step back and go back to the human-covy work

in a new game

but eh i doubt it

[carmine sleet]

I don't see us going back to the Human-Covenant War in the next game, especially with the setup at the end of Infinite

[versed helm]

true

witch is ...ok i guess

[carmine sleet]

It's not like Halo can keep telling stories of that period of time anyway, we know how it ended and with where the galaxy is now, there's plenty of new stories that could be told

[orchid kettle]

It's pretty funny to think how they're stated to be the absolute best humanity has to offer-- but they also don't really seem to be all that exclusive

how best of the best can you really be when, at least on a stalwart-class frigate, 1 in 5 marines aboard are ODSTs?

[orchid kettle]

Id argue the best part about post-war Halo is how we can move past the UNSC in general and focus more on civilians

be they journalists, salvagers, envoys, or high school kids

Though there's obviously some irony to how we have more Spartans active at one time than ever before-- but we really don't have any battles large enough to actually field them all, it feels like

[carmine sleet]

The only story I can think of thst could be interesting to tell in the war now is one of a civilian escaping from a Stealth Elite while stuck on a damaged space ship as a horror game

[carmine sleet]

Rion Forge spin-off when?

[orchid kettle]

like I still don't really buy that Jul Mdama had enough forces to keep 300 Spartans entertained on Requiem, unless it was like 90% prometheans, and 10% flesh and blood covenant

I feel like even more so than ODSTs, Spartan-IIIs have especially been pushed out of the limelight

to the point that there's 300 Gammas just unaccounted for

[wanton notch]

Yeah I don't see anything else during the Human-Covenant war happening. There's still a ton of unfinished business with the Banished and Endless. Plus Forerunners

[merry bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-eyes-beg-cat-gif-426057463396629046

[versed helm]

When was the mauler and brute shot created? And was the carbine created for brutes or for jackals? And do sangheilii ever use them?

[carmine sleet]

Carbine is used by Elites allot, can be seen in quite a few levels in Halo 2, 3, 4 and 5 in the hands of Elites

[tribal trench]

Installation00, thats Ian's channel right?

[versed helm]

i like some of his content when im bored lol

[tribal trench]

iirc weren't most of Requiem's "Prometheans" Ancient Human refugees from one of the Halos?

there were a couple hundred thousand of them that were composed

[orchid kettle]

He also composed New Phoenix but I don't really know if those "souls" had a chance to be turned into Prometheans

[tribal trench]

oh yeah thats another couple million if they were

[scarlet hinge]

no, that was halo canon

[tribal trench]

i think most of the prometheans from other planets were already there right?

[scarlet hinge]

• prior to the nuclear war that the Brutes inflicted upon themselves before joining the Covenant
• No, it's a Sangheili-origin weapon

[tribal trench]

I figured the mauler and things would be post-apocalypse

[scarlet hinge]

my bad, this is correct - it first saw use in the Battle of Gbraakon shortly after the immolation (https://www.halopedia.org/Ukala_Workshop_Mauler)

the Mangler predates the immolation by a few centuries

[tribal trench]

oh thats interesting

I assume spiker and bruteshot are post immolation?

[stoic hamlet]

I feel like they’d be pre, but upgraded after by the Covenant, maybe.

[orchid kettle]

I dunno, they don't sound unreasonable for a pre-Immolation setting

They always came across as way more primitive than anything the Covenant had

also if the Immolation still happened within living memory, would you even really lose the knowledge of your technology

bombs surely aren't gonna blow up every last gun on the planet or anything like that

[tribal trench]

the main concern is that you kill the people with the knowledge on how to keep manufacturing running

or how to innovate properly

not to mention destroying digital archives and things of that nature

[orchid kettle]

well I seem to recall the language used was something like "They had just rediscovered the radio when the Covenant found them"

but like--

[stoic hamlet]

There are cases now where we only just rediscovered stuff used in the ancient world because it was lost knowledge.

[orchid kettle]

did they literally find a radio in some burned out house

[orchid kettle]

It just doesn't really sound all that likely

its why I never liked the Immolation being so recent

[tribal trench]

by rediscover im sure it meant "figure out how to make them again"

[orchid kettle]

it feels like they're describing an ancient event

but like, nah, there are Brutes alive today who would have had firsthand accounts of the thing

[tribal trench]

the question is if those brutes know or knew how to make a radio though

just cause you are familiar with the underlying technology doesn't mean you know how to use it

[orchid kettle]

I mean, did they corral all the nerds into a football stadium and blow them up

[tribal trench]

I know how guns work, doesn't mean I know how to make a stamped metal receiver

[orchid kettle]

I mean, I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to kill every last engineer or scientist in an indiscriminate bombing

Especially if Brutes still had a more or less healthy population 40 years into the future

[tribal trench]

My grandfather was an engineer, but he didnt build radios or guns

he built bridges

[orchid kettle]

to the point where Truth thought it was even feasible to replace the Sangheili with them

[versed helm]

i played all but 2 and never noticed that

[tribal trench]

maybe their replacement rate is just super high? non-human primates do sometimes be built like that

[versed helm]

and like multiple times

[tribal trench]

any mass casualty event will see most of the smart people wiped out regardless of if they took precautions

[orchid kettle]

Why would the smart people die at a higher rate than the dumb dumbs