#lore-and-universe

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stoic hamlet
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Even Spartan II’s, really.

safe hawk
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Yep

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The funny is that a lot of the novels were brought in the games way before

patent aspen
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Halo 2 wins the “incorporating EU” contest by a few lightyears

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The name UNSC, I believe, and slipstream space (?)

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That “what if you miss/I won’t” scene is an homage to Nylund’s The Fall of Reach

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Technically in-atmosphere jumps and the Covenant’s journey toward earth were first established in First Strike, but that was obviously made in tandem with Halo 2.

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MJOLNIR as an armor

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ONI itself, I think.

safe hawk
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That’s supposed to be secret. The 343i haters must not know about that

patent aspen
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It was whining about gameplay, not the story.

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im guessing thats also supposed to be a secret

safe hawk
patent aspen
safe hawk
patent aspen
safe hawk
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Yeah I agree

patent aspen
safe hawk
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It went against the campaign “fight for earth”

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safe hawk
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I’m not asking anything

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I made a comment

patent aspen
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Overall, Halo 2 was hugely popular.

obsidian thistle
void orchid
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pretty sure the flood is the sole reason why sentinels are hostile to every creature on the lesser arc HW2 and other games too

hollow kettle
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When is 343 going to give us a visual representation of the 21st SAB/ODST "Black Daggers" from Halo: Silent Storm?

orchid kettle
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In my brain, I just assume the space assault armor is not all that different than what we see in Halo 3 / ODST

hollow kettle
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They gave us Tel Szatulai (IN THE WRONG COLOUR) but no Colonel Crowther

orchid kettle
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because that definitely looks a lot more like a special space suit than the assumingly older Halo 2 BDU

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though the issue is that Rookie's armor is said to be a late war design

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but maybe that then means space assault looks like that one Halo Wars 2 artwork

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this thing here, which looks like a fusion of H2A and H3

carmine sleet
orchid kettle
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the Rookie cosplay guide

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not exactly the highest authority I know, but its all we got

carmine sleet
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Fair

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I'll have to dig out where I saved that to read through it again

obsidian thistle
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If you want a very weird source

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Read the MCC Recon background aha!

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Has deets on the Halo 3: ODST BDU

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Some I believe are currently exclusively to that.

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surreal glen
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You know how the second mission in Halo CE, the Valhalla map in Halo 3 and other locations have those Forerunner beacons that fire a plasma ball to the sky

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What are they launching?

carmine sleet
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They're beam emitters, so normally energy

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But they often also help with ringwide communication

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Or even send messages at superluminal speeds

terse sage
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And they can deactivate a halo ring's activation, unless im remembering halo 2 wrong

carmine sleet
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That was pulling the Index out before the firing sequence properly finished

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Kinda like pulling a battery out of a laptop when it's active, it'll shut off

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Though in the Halo's case, better to not activate it

terse sage
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It's the preferable outcome to be sure

carmine sleet
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Indeed

patent aspen
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In this case, it was communicating a shutdown— so you weren’t wrong either!

drowsy mesa
empty bloom
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Ono

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Guess that's what happens when you give your containment fireteam aging MJOLNIR.

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"How could this happen", said the Fireteam wearing armor not meant for dealing specifically with the flood

tribal trench
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don’t mind me just posting the image

untold wasp
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Pretty sure this is the first instance of that protocol

abstract wren
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no

untold wasp
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Really?

abstract wren
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Known since 2018 with the Spartan manual

untold wasp
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I meant like when it was used

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Sorry

last anchor
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Its the first reference to it outside the manual and the first confirmed designation of it.

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Kinda sad that its the UNSC Saturn. What, we couldn't get a better title? Did we stop naming UNSC ships cool stuff?

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Whats Upsilon tho?

empty bloom
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Something as simple as the UNSC Saturn isn't that out of place.

drowsy mesa
last anchor
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Well that explains Extraction as a mode then methinks

stoic hamlet
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Well, not really.

The protocol declares they’re not supposed to handle any Flood biomass…. But that’s what the mode is about, lol

empty bloom
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I love the confirmation that people who use Mark Vb where it's not warranted die smirkle

stoic hamlet
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Shocker.

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I am shocked.

empty bloom
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GEN2/GEN3 anti-flood suits keep winning

untold wasp
drowsy mesa
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HAZMAT chad :v

stoic hamlet
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Watch they were wearing OSTEO.

empty bloom
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Grenadier, EVA, Mark Vb, and Scout.

stoic hamlet
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Though it does feel kinda odd we got OSTEO the season before this, lol. Feels like it should have been this season’s core.

empty bloom
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Yeaaaah.

last anchor
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Maybe they split stuff for ease of release?

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Does kinda feel like it would have made more sense to release it this season.

drowsy mesa
empty bloom
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I am glad that the flood realized that maybe giving every combat form limb tentacles may not be the optimal play.

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stoic hamlet
last anchor
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Maybe the Flood cant fully mutate a Spartan due to their bones getting hardened.

empty bloom
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I mean, we already knew the flood didn't exclusively use combat tentacles.

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Like the Pure forms, which used crab claw like things and needles.

stoic hamlet
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Hmmm, I’m guessing the flood-ified armour is meant to be the Spartan Team then.

drowsy mesa
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or the hypothetical (and hated) infected Spartan seen in Halo 4

empty bloom
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I'm not counting the Halo 4 Flood because I don't think they ever actually hard confirmed that any actual Spartans ended up that way.

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stoic hamlet
empty bloom
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Because I'm tired of faceless IVs getting jobbed.

stoic hamlet
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I won’t allow this.

drowsy mesa
stoic hamlet
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Make it Omega.

empty bloom
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Based?

stoic hamlet
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They have absolutely no use otherwise.

empty bloom
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Like, Emile's tactical style would get him deep sixed hilariously quickly against Flood, lmao

carmine sleet
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Please don't kill Omega Team, we know next to nothing about them outside of three names and I wanna know more

stoic hamlet
empty bloom
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Well, we know there's around 300 of them to burn.

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Sooooo that hurts less than 3 specific people.

stoic hamlet
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They’re too precious to die!

drowsy mesa
stoic hamlet
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You can’t take them from me, I won’t allow it!

cradles them protectively

empty bloom
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It's the new fate of Black Team (The old one is now retconned)

carmine sleet
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Not gonna lie, I'd be fine with most of Escalation being retconned

stoic hamlet
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Same, tbh.

carmine sleet
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It ain't happening, but if it did, I wouldn't lose sleep over it

empty bloom
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N72H yes, but the rest really needs a rework for the iffier bits.

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I was considering to do a panel-by-panel rework in Blender for a lot of the scenes

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But then I realized I might was well cut off my right hand now with all the carpal tunnel that'd accrue.

orchid kettle
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perhaps implying that in the show universe, Chief's homeworld got Flood'd

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somehow

empty bloom
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... That'd be so weird.

stoic hamlet
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Non-canon though.

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Man, that show was wild.

empty bloom
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Oh boy, the return of the flood brother?

orchid kettle
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John finds out that he's not John after all, he's Jim. John's twin brother that Halsey kidnapped by accident

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imagine

empty bloom
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You know what highkey grinds my gears?

People who can't seem to figure out a universe has more than one architect or engineer per faction

unique rune
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did you get into an argument over Forerunner architecture

stoic hamlet
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“But who designed this if Halsey wasn’t around?!?!?”

orchid kettle
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Halsey's arch nemesis

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Balsey

empty bloom
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"Why are all the Phantoms in Halo 5 this weird Lobster design"

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"I guess they just changed all the phantoms into this model for some reason, it's a retcon"

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They're literally just a different, newly produced model in 5, but go off

unique rune
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Amazing

empty bloom
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I swear, Halo fans have some of the most dysfunctional object permanence of any franchise ever.

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ARs dissappear for one fricking game and people go "Oh I guess the UNSC just scrapped them all. What the hell, why are they using them again in 3!?"

unique rune
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Wild that the Phantom gets singled out of all the things in 5 since pretty much every piece of Covenant gear in that game is some kind of newly made postwar stock

Except for the capital ships which are all old mothballed pre-Covenant ships

empty bloom
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Oh, they're doing it for all the things.

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The phantom was just the big one at that moment because, admittedly, it's problably the most different.

unique rune
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I miss the H5 Covenant stuff. Though I still think it was weird that the Phantom got used in the Infinite MP intro thing.

empty bloom
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Eh, that was likely mostly done with assets they already had.

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I don't worry about it any more than I worried about Mark VI MOD showing up alongside Halo 4 Elites in the Halo 4 intro that's set in the HCW.

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
empty bloom
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I am very annoyed.

unique rune
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Can't believe USAAF retconned the look of the P-51

carmine sleet
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Most of the Covenant manufacturing was on High Charity, sure there were other places but that was the central place most of the Covenant hardware came from

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dusk jetty
pliant rover
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What’s the UNSC Saturn? Just saw the new intel about flood infected Spartans

empty bloom
abstract wren
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Don't know

empty bloom
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As to what class and what mission, no idea.

dusk jetty
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Definitely unexpected and unique. Perhaps this will lead into something new?

dusk jetty
autumn plaza
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Rereading the Forerunner trilogy, I can't help to wonder if the Harbinger is a "devolved" Xalanyn. The Forerunner's treatment of Humans doesn't seem to be anything new. The explanation of Humanity's punishment seems to be an explanation of an existing process and not new thing. Her evolution was sufficiently rolled back enough to render her vulnerable to Halo so she was stored in a Cylix in a lower security location.

patent aspen
stoic hamlet
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It’s devolved Xanalyn all the way down.

autumn plaza
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That makes sense. While the concept art for Harbinger and the Gasgira a wildly different, the final products are oddly similar.

obsidian thistle
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Did anyone see the new M90 they revealed! 😄

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obsidian thistle
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Yup!

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So many M90 now xD

icy yoke
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Explosivity index of UNSC explosives. compared real world yields.

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By the 2400s - 2500s UNSC had C12. A small 4x4x4 inch cube alone can level a five-story building.
implying Modern UNSC explosives are 3-10x more powerful than RDX

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Making Archer missiles more devastating than we think

scarlet quiver
median osprey
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Hey has anyone noticed Intel #5 was released on halo infinite and waypoint, or has this been on both for a while?

empty bloom
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It popped up today

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People keep talking about it

median osprey
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Okay I've been wondering if it's old news, I wonder if it's connected to the flood cosmetics in season 5

empty bloom
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Most likely

median osprey
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Yeah, I must be honest I thought they'll never use CORRUPTER and UPSILON

stoic hamlet
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It’s use cases would be pretty sparse, tbf.

I mean, case in point, the infected team mentioned in today’s Intel likely got wiped off the map 7-ish minutes after said alert, as the Saturn was going to nuke them.

median osprey
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Yeah just as in protocol, but this does make me wonder how many times this has happened, we only know of one, to my knowledge

stoic hamlet
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Well we know Flood containment teams have encountered flood “relatively often” (generally)

Really it’s one of those situations where win or lose you’ll never hear about it.

If they win on the ground then there’s no need to ever encounter flood.

But if they lose then they’re immediately nuked and there’s no reason to ever encounter flood.

Etc.

last anchor
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Flood spreading is something the UNSC simply isn't gonna allow to happen

orchid kettle
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I do kinda wonder what the deal is supposed to be with all these extra flood encounters

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are there just hundreds of flood research facilities

last anchor
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Probably

fair hazel
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and the covenant encountered some before too

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and dealt with them

terse lava
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Yeah, various lore has implied the Covenant has fought various flood outbreaks, burned away nest sites, and even fought flood corrupted technology for quite a long time.

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obsidian thistle
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(Cause a day makes no sense)

versed helm
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Hello. I just finished reading Halo Broken Circle and I was curious about San'Shyuum. What happened to your home planet? Did they end up becoming extinct? The ending is quite tragic for Zo Resken, perhaps the only one of his kind still alive.

empty bloom
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The San Shyuum, last I checked, are taking refuge in an old shield world.

dusk jetty
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Like, corrupter protocols allow for use of nuclear weapons

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I’d also think that the created would catch wind of this quickly

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But they don’t have guardians anymore so, they aren’t really going to do anything

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carmine sleet
autumn plaza
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It kind of doesn't make sense that the Flood haven't just won already. My headcanon is that the Flood are just taking a periodic look at the state of the Galaxy with small outbreaks. The Primordial makes it seem like the Flood is more a test/punishment/game than anything else. It just isn't time yet.

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carmine sleet
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My guess is that he might never know about the rest of his kind being out there

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But that doesn't mean he can't do things to help those he lives with now

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Which, speaking of, I'd love to see the Refuge again and what relationship they have with the Swords of Sanghelios

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Since I'm gonna guess they're friendly with them?

dusk jetty
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Big Jurassic world vibes

steel stone
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I was watching a video guy saying a Spartan team legit got infected by the flood is that true?

dusk jetty
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Yeah it was in the most recent lore drop

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A whole fireteam in fact

steel stone
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Damn what????

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Bet it was a spartan 4 team they act so careless

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Remember in spartan ops where it showed some guy just running carelessly into some promethean knights? wow

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I looked into some of the comics and looked into alot of Halo escalation, just why are the 4s like that? thorne was a good character but everything else I raised an eyebrow at.

last anchor
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Early character introduction syndrome. They got better as time went on.
As for how they got infected? Mate, its the Flood.
The premier existentical threat to literaly everything living and moving.

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It ate most of the galaxy under the Forerunners watch remember

unique rune
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Chief almost got infected by the Flood once and the only thing that saved him was Cortana. I don’t think it’s just an S-IV thing lol

carmine sleet
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Yeah

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Like, it doesn’t matter if you’re a Spartan IV or a simple human technician

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If you’re in a place where there’s a risk of Flood infection, you’re gonna want the best protection possible and hope it doesn’t get breached

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And if it does, just hope you got lucky or that you’re put down quickly by containment teams

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empty bloom
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As in, that was the only thing that saved him, in the one written and exhaustive book about him through Halo CE-3.

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I'm sure he had similar close calls in Halo 2 and 3.

steel stone
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If the flood returns I hope it can infect everything in gameplay that would so scary and sick to see

empty bloom
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The flood don't give a damn what Spartan gen you are. It's not about aggression, or recklessness, it's the fact that you're fighting the Flood, and the Flood are trying to get inside you literally every single second you are fighting them in every single possible way. A II or a III or a IV or even just a regular Marine, doesn't matter.

steel stone
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There was armor in Spartans did wear to combat the flood cant remember what it was, think it was in Halo 5

unique rune
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I wonder what kind of texture Flood chunks would have if you cooked them

empty bloom
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If the infected personnel involved here are the ones wearing that Mark Vb that's all flooded up, that's because they were idiots and didn't upgrade to the armors meant for the job.

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carmine sleet
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Plus like, everyone knows not to mess with the Flood these days

steel stone
carmine sleet
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In 2553 I am more likely to buy that someone accidentally found a Flood site and got infected than in 2560

steel stone
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Spartan being infected is a big deal

empty bloom
carmine sleet
empty bloom
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A) It didn't happen yet, and B) It wasn't relevant.

steel stone
unique rune
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I’m pretty sure the UNSC wouldn’t want a Corruptor incident to be widely known anyway

Would make for some pretty bad PR

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steel stone
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If the flood returns though how strong do you think they will be?

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Halo wars 2 showed some shocking stuff about our flood bois

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I saw a banshee hijacked by flood and and a roided up juggernaut from Halo 2

empty bloom
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Powerful enough to be a dissappointing return to a story beat for the sake of nostalgia.

stoic hamlet
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The issue is more so that they have the codes CORRUPTOR AND UPSILON in place, meaning this is post war.

steel stone
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Theres a huge amount of stuff they could do with the flood, Halo 3s flood is so boring now

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stoic hamlet
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Semantics, lol. You know what I meant.

empty bloom
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I could see those codes being made ASAP after ONI eggheads reviewed the footage of the flood.

dusk jetty
carmine sleet
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Since they used that ship to study the Flood and given what happened there, they'd likely want to make sure it doesn't happen again

steel stone
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I really the flood forms they showed in Halo legends and Mona Lisa

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I like the part where there was a giant scarab sized flood in Legends with the eye ball. That was weird seeing a flood creature with a normal eye ball dont think that was ever a thing in the games

carmine sleet
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I think that was a representation of the Gravemind

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Some visuals in Halo Legends were pretty inconsistent with those in other pieces of media

steel stone
steel stone
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It looks cool as hell

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Still wanna that weapon in Halo

grand prairie
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Am I the only one who finds it confusing what type of combat form the infected spartans (infinite) are? They are missing the attacker form arm claw so I am not sure what type they are

steel stone
carmine sleet
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Well given it’s meant as armour customisation, I doubt they’d give them Flood arms since they’d have to do a bunch of stuff to make it work

steel stone
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If dual wield was a thing flood would work perfectly as a playable character

grand prairie
carmine sleet
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Like they’d have to make a new animation rig

carmine sleet
steel stone
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It just looks awesome

stoic hamlet
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Depending on the stage it could be an intentional choice by the proto/full Gravemind

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If they’re feral I’m not sure it makes that much sense, and is likely just gameplay

steel stone
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This really makes me wanna see the flood come back as an enemy, shame the game wont get dlc missions i think

stoic hamlet
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I’m still iffy on them tbh.

They open up too much hassle narrative wise.

As like, a sim or something? Sure. But don’t tie it into the story as this big resurgence.

grand prairie
steel stone
carmine sleet
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I don’t think we’ll be seeing Flood AI added to Forge

steel stone
carmine sleet
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As a level designer I hate that

steel stone
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stoic hamlet
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The Endless are a bit weird. In that they’re two different things.

Most fans see the Xanalyn (Harbinger, Skimmers, etc) as the Endless, but the Endless are (seemingly) the revitalized Precursors.

Both represent different threats and both are technically worse and less dangerous than the Flood.

It really depends on what you mean, to be honest.

In a conventional sense the Flood are worse.

But in terms of the idea of “truth”, and “the mantle”/“The Forerunner’s plans” the Endless are worse because they show the rest of the galaxy that the Forerunners are wrong and flawed.

Basically (and bare with me because it’s a weird analogy):

The Flood are like a pandemic, they screw over everyone equally.

The Endless are kind of like a skeleton in the closet being brought into the light. They shatter the status quo even if they’re not all that threatening militarily.

The Xanalyn and Endless don’t have time warping powers, as far as we know, but they are aided by/were Precursor, respectively.

We can see this with Outcasts, for example.

unique rune
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Yeah, I think people try to frame them too much as a threat from like, a power scaling perspective? When they’re more… ideological? They’re to the Forerunners what humanity was to the Covenant. Certainly could be a military thorn in the side but the real threat was their existence being able to overturn everything people think they know.

carmine sleet
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Yeah

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Like people often forget that there are ways to be threatening outside of in raw strength or numbers

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The idealogical threat is something that I would love to see explored more in the future

last anchor
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Too complicated for many gamers I think sadly

stoic hamlet
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Indeed. D:

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Or at least Halo’s usual crowd.

empty bloom
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I like how the general consensus I see among Halo fans who actually pay a ton of attention to Halo's lore and story is that a lot of Halo's fanbase is too dense to get a lot of topics.

snow cape
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is the arbiter still gone or is he in infinite

carmine sleet
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He’s not in Infinite

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He’s busy on his home planet

last anchor
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He was in Outcasts tho

carmine sleet
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Aye

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Which I loved

last anchor
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stoic hamlet
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Depends on the style of game as well.

grand prairie
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I noticed in with the new flood forms that there is biomass on their guns. Is there a in lore reason for this considering we haven't seen it with the other normal combat forms? I always thought that using guns from flood forms was not the most sanitary/safe thing considering they were touched by biomass but I never expected biomass to be on them. Looks nice asthetic wise.

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safe hawk
grand prairie
empty bloom
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Just, as an example

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I can imagine Arbiter's pretty similar in that regard, actually.

stoic hamlet
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Honestly Arby’s probably even more so.

orchid kettle
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Chief was a pretty big fan of slapping on extra SMGs, M90s, and SPNKrs

grand prairie
orchid kettle
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personally if I was a halo man I'd steal plasma pistols and jackal shields way more often

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embrace my inner kig-yar

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I dunno, in a world where an Elite or Brute can tank more rounds than your magazine can hold, it feels like keeping a dedicated shield stripper is a pretty decent strat

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even more so if an overcharged plasma pistol is as powerful as in that Uprising comic

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where it blows up and vaporizes several Grunts

last anchor
dry oyster
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Halos fans what do we say, when someone asks us if a spacemarine can beat master chief?

stoic hamlet
dry oyster
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WE'RE TOTALLY F'd

last anchor
orchid kettle
stoic hamlet
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Honestly it depends? Maybe?

Who Would Win stuff is so nebulous and often rigged one way or the other it’s basically pointless.

last anchor
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Nerd rage

dry oyster
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Its kinda like putting Jesus against Doom Guy

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Useless

orchid kettle
stoic hamlet
orchid kettle
stoic hamlet
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Can John beat a space marine?

Possibly, depending on the conditions. And vice versa.

That’s basically it. Going any deeper makes it impossible to judge.

last anchor
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Yeah

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And inevitably results in fan bias

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(Though I will note that those that intrinsically believe 40k is superior because "everything is to 11" should read some of ADB and Mike Brooks newer novels as well as the Dark Imperium stuff)

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(It's not as insane as it once was or as you think, which is a good thing in truth)

dry oyster
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Honestly

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I went through CE for the first time

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How did the Pillar of Autumn even survive such a crash?

orchid kettle
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the pillar of autumn is notable because Halcyon-class cruisers are tough chunky bois

last anchor
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Cortana left a subroutine to help her down too

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Controlled crash

dry oyster
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Aint that the truth

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Dont they have sections that cut themselves off right?

stoic hamlet
# last anchor (Though I will note that those that intrinsically believe 40k is superior becaus...

The best fights are where both parties are shown to be competent despite a clear advantage.

Like, case in point, Astartes.

Man to man the Astartes squad can beat every traitor guard they come across aboard that ship.

But a member of the squad each almost dies about 4 times.

Any thing slightly different and they’d have been killed or severely wounded. And I don’t mean the Psyker fight either. Just the regular humans.

orchid kettle
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the unsc frigate is a cannon with wings, but a Halcyon is a flying Nokia phone

last anchor
stoic hamlet
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It’s all about mentality, and a lot of people (both fans and even the writers of these universes) forget.

Like, the newer Pariah Nexus show for example, there’s a scene where a Salamander fights off a Necron Warrior. The warrior has only a melee weapon and the Salamander has a boltgun and a height advantage - but is completely exposed, so he charges into a crater to meet the threat.

Except he doesn’t blindly charge it, he jumps into the crater and finds the nearest bit of cover then starts shooting, because even though there are no other threats (and he knows this) his training and experience dictate taking cover first before engaging just in case.

He’s smart, not stupid.

empty bloom
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Big difference.

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stoic hamlet
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I’m not as familiar with the Necrons as I should be, but yes, lol.

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Weirdly I thought it was a destroyer, but felt better to be more generic.

last anchor
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GW learned something from Astartes it seems...
Let's get something like that for Halo yeah?

stoic hamlet
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Nah let’s just have everyone blindly charge a single opponent with knives when they outnumber him and can easily kill him from range.

Or have the hyper efficient super soldier said to never waste any sort of motion and do everything so brutally efficient that he looks like a robot let an enemy monologue in front of him before they fight.

carmine sleet
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Just take the Leon Kennedy approach from RE4make every time a villain starts monologuing about their plan, shoot them in the head

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meager bone
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So if the intel entire this week is correct... We have our first flood Spartan in lore ... Hope the contingency plans work

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So dose that mean the flood customization will be a what a Spartan actually looks like when infected then

carmine sleet
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Yes but it's not like it's canon that infected Spartans are just running around in wargames simulations or going on operations for the UNSC

meager bone
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Because the alpha flood from halo 4 lore wise was just speculation

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They thought thats what it would look like now lore wise we got a flood Spartan

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I wonder what armor they had

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Because there was like four armors sets from halo 4 and 5 that where ment for flood contmentinmet facilitys but then again we dont know if the unsc Saturn was a contmentinmet ship

quiet shoal
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Why does Kat walk limp in the cutscenes?

meager bone
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Because if its just your normal run of the mile ship then that could hint towards another flood outbreak

carmine sleet
meager bone
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If the flood fully returns please 343 dont mess it up

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
meager bone
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We have been wanting flood to return since 3

carmine sleet
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I haven't

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I don't need the Flood returning over and over

meager bone
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I would love to see a flood horror game though where we play as a odst or a marine

carmine sleet
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I'd rather a Halo horror game be about a single Elite with active camo chasing a civilian through a wrecked ship while trying to escape

subtle chasm
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Good morning everyone. For those who have read the books, would you recommend reading in chronological order or the order of release?

orchid kettle
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order of release

subtle chasm
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👍 thanks

quiet shoal
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Reach, when kat patches carter to colonel holland

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Is that just a animation design or is it lore related

empty bloom
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Just how the animation worked out.

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Though it wouldn't be surprising if most of Noble had taken an armor penetrating injury or two by that point of the game.

quiet shoal
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Alright

last anchor
orchid kettle
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why didn't she just use a drop shield to heal

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is she stupid

unique rune
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yes

quiet shoal
stoic hamlet
carmine sleet
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Yeah

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I wasn't the one that said it was a containment ship though

stoic hamlet
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No no, I’m just adding an example.

empty bloom
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I find it funny that Serina ultimately decided feeding subjects to the flood was a reasonable course of action, just like ONI did.

stoic hamlet
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Sorry, heh.

empty bloom
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Living, sentient, trapped subjects.

carmine sleet
last anchor
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Rampancy be like

empty bloom
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Serina was just playing a practical joke

grand prairie
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Do we know if the ODST BDU has radation shielding? It would make sense as they can be used in space but I can not find anything confirming it

distant socket
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Is the Mona Lisa ship and story of it inspired by dead space's USG Ishimura?

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in both stories the crew enter it by a smaller craft, find it empty, and then the group is reduced over time due to the outbreak

patent aspen
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Did Dead Space invent the horror genre?

empty bloom
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For example, Event Horizon involves a crew checking up on the titular Event Horizon, which has experienced an outbreak of hell-spawned insanity.

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And a little pair of films you may have heard of-Alien and The Thing-also have similar plots, though not to the same degree of 'spreading evil consciousness aboard a ship or two'.

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(Dead Space was actually heavily inspired by The Thing in parts)

patent aspen
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was dead space based on sunshine it takes place on a ship and they board another ship and then the characters gradually die

empty bloom
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Hell, Halo itself is based heavily on Alien and Aliens.

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Halo CE's Marines were based heavily on the Colonial Marines from Aliens.

patent aspen
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Oh, totally. That whole Flood reveal scene was nearly lifted wholesale from Aliens. Right down to the sergeant!

empty bloom
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Well, that, and a lot of lines are either obviously inspired by, or clearly ripped from, Aliens.

patent aspen
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The corps ain’t paying us by the hour!

distant socket
empty bloom
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A Marine in the level Truth and Reconciliation says a corruption of the "Game Over Man" scene from Aliens, "There's movement all over the place", etc etc

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Which is in turn similar to the Event Horizon and a dozen other contemporary human Sci Fi Ship designs. There's a reason "Standard Human Ship" is a trope in science fiction-people are addicted to making big, industrial, funky ships.

patent aspen
distant socket
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The ship has a bulky engine like the ishimura

empty bloom
#

Hardly a shocker.

distant socket
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and the front has the rib-like design like the ishimura

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Actually the front resembles the USM Valor a lot more

empty bloom
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Only so many ways to skin a cat when your aesthetic design direction is 'standard gray human sci fi space ship'.

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Which means big engines, skeletal hulls, big panels.

patent aspen
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They do look remarkably similar imo

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The short story came first, though.

distant socket
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I just wish 343 picked up the other version of Mona Lisa

patent aspen
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Before the motion comic

distant socket
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if you looked at the halopedia page, you can see the mona lisa was originally going to be quite longer

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Which imo would have been better

empty bloom
#

I'm sure the design team for the animation would've agreed with you.

patent aspen
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I could conceivably see the motion comic’s depiction taking inspiration there. The narrative connections are much more weak

empty bloom
#

But not everyone gets what they want.

distant socket
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yeah

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i cant send pics here

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but go to the bottom right of the concept art image

empty bloom
#

I still find it almost hilarious that people really were confused about who won the fight between Lopez and Henry.

distant socket
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Lopez of course

empty bloom
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Henry's an elite, albiet a naked one, against an unarmed and injured marine.

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It's not even a question.

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It's like asking if a coughing baby (Lopez) would beat Andre the Giant in his prime (Henry).

distant socket
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she can just use the gun and bash the elite

patent aspen
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it’s an elite

empty bloom
#

And he would likely not care, smash her head on the deckplate because he's two feet taller and is upwards of twice her armored weight, uninjured, and an elite.

distant socket
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i am just surprised how the elite isnt infected or injured

patent aspen
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the bigger question is if the escape pod could launch free from the blast

distant socket
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rimmer can only do so much

empty bloom
#

And then proceed to either die to the flood because he can't work a human escape pod, die to the blast, or die of exposure in the pod when nobody comes to rescue him.

distant socket
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wait, in the fight, there was still one pod remaining right?

patent aspen
distant socket
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is the Mona Lisa under the UEG or UNSC

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since its a prison ship

patent aspen
#

ONI

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I believe

empty bloom
#

UEG, actually secretly under ONI.

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So technically UNSC, though officially UEG.

distant socket
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does the UEG just dissolve with the UNSC and then return back after the war?

empty bloom
#

The UNSC took martial power over the governance of the UEG until the war's close, when Lord Admiral Hood relinquished command back to the UEG.

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Right now, considering the Created Crisis, I wish they'd put more emphasis on the fact that the UNSC is effectively in exile; An army without a state to defend.

distant socket
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ok, i havent played halo 5 and infinite, but considering theres a war between covenant remnants and then soon after the created, the humans just finished fighting a war that devastated nearly their entire population across colonies, are under attack from a larger threat

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and i saw the cutscene with the guardian shutting down the colony by sending some EM wave

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like what are they going to do? damaging the planet is one thing, having it disabled is worser

empty bloom
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It's important to keep in mind that the Created had/have the intent of effectively creating a gilded cage coated in armor over the territory they control.

distant socket
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wdym gilded cage

empty bloom
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A gilded cage is basically enslaved luxury. You're free... To do nothing, and be 'saved' against your will.

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All your needs will be met, and you will be comfortable under our charge, until you die, under pain of death.

grand prairie
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Do we know if any ODST units besides Alpha 9 had the white stripe on their helmets? I just noticed the bullfrogs have it despite not being part of the group.

empty bloom
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The Created, under Cortana, had the unified goal of effectively controlling populations to an end they percieved as benevolent, despite lacking real freedom.

distant socket
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their homeworld got destroyed??

empty bloom
#

Did you not play Halo Infinite's campaign?

distant socket
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i said earlier i havent

empty bloom
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Ah

distant socket
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but like, i am not playing infinite cause its disconnected without playing guardians

empty bloom
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Well, it was mentioned outside of Infinite a few times at this point. Either way, it was done because the Brutes wouldn't sit down and play nice.

empty bloom
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IDRC about opinions regarding 5 and don't care to hear them, I care more about discussing the in-universe politics of the situation, messy as they are.

distant socket
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i mean i say disconnected because you technically find about created in halo 5

empty bloom
#

As it stands now, the Created are effectively paralyzed internally on how to proceed, but are still extremely strong.

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Or at least, should be super strong on paper.

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If it gets retconned into something stupid to reset the status quo I am going to be very upset.

distant socket
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yeah no doubt they are strong

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wait, is the created just full of forerunner constructs and cortana?

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who else is present

empty bloom
#

Some human AIs even offloaded themselves into Promethean Knight hulls as battlefield commanders.

distant socket
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damn

empty bloom
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Worth mentioning, the "Chimera" fracture armor from Halo Infinite is actually partially canon-one was made and gifted to the Smart AI formerly belonging to Linda.

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As a testbed.

distant socket
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linda 058?

empty bloom
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Yes, that Linda.

safe hawk
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Halo 5 the goat

empty bloom
# safe hawk Halo 5 the goat

I just realized how much it low-key annoys me that Linda didn't chime in when Fred asked Chief what linking with a Smart AI was like, considering she also had one.

distant socket
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the flood's final stage is called hivemind?

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or is hivemind just a term

meager pier
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The Flood is a hivemind

distant socket
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can a gravemind become so huge its the size of a planetoid?

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for example, maybe the size of a brethren moon from dead space, or just 2/3 of the size

meager pier
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We've never seen a Gravemind ever get to that size in-game

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Or in the Forerunner Saga from my recollection

distant socket
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oh

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but in theory, over the forerunner-flood war, there could have been such an occurence or chance for it to happen?

safe hawk
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And are you referring to athos

empty bloom
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Nope, it was Kelly. Huh.

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Weird.

sly stream
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i ordered the 4th halo book

last anchor
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Though the term is looser than that, but there's no upper limit to how big one can get

dense falcon
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Where's the top helmet from?

PXL_20231012_2053513052.jpg
last anchor
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Never seen it myself. That might be a fan helmet?

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Halopedia's got nothing yet

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Actually one second...

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Found it.
It IS a fan helmet.

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(Its supposed to represent a backwards baseball cap because Barvo always wore one).

empty bloom
last anchor
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What I wouldnt give to have Eviscerator-class armor made canon.

Though something tells me they'd be slightly hesitant to canonize armor specifically intended to butcher enemies in close quarters in the most brutal and inefficent way possible to sow terror since that...kind of already exists in a couple of different forms.

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Theres already a lot of armor overlap between suits in the GEN 2 umbrella as it stands.

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And even further back as far as GEN 1 with Scout and Recon.

empty bloom
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Sounds needlessly edgy.

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Like, you know Spartans can already likely deglove the hand of whatever poor normie they run across, right? Casually?

last anchor
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It is, both in design and intention.

empty bloom
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Keyes didn't get his implants ripped out because the flood made his skull weaker, after all.

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Wouldn't have taken the flood for Chief to do that, really.

last anchor
#

Its basically a terror weapon on top of an existing terror weapon.
One of the attachments is a rumbledrug injection system and Gamma Company force-trigger neuralmesh.

empty bloom
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Just seems extra to make a suit made for dismembering people when a Spartan's already beyond capable of doing it.

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SOD breakingly so.

last anchor
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And stuff like Venator already exists.
Plus CQB, CQC, etc.

empty bloom
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I always imagined Venator was more like that one Titanfall 2 execution where you rabbit punch some poor dude in the head.

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And CQB and CQC are more defensively minded, not offensively.

last anchor
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More to survive in close rather than win?
Huh.
They are tougher

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Lot more plating, wider shoulder pads.

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Thinner visors with more helmet armor.

empty bloom
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Well, yeah. CQC was explicitly designed with urban and shipborne warfare in mind.

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CQC, CQB, Dynast, and Brawler are all of a shared design philosophy, with Brawler being named after the armor classification in question.

last anchor
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And Breaker covers that too alongside other stuff.
Lot of use crossover in MJLONIR, which makes sense for such an expensive armor system

empty bloom
#

Actually, Breaker's role is different.

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Breaker is ship boarding, but the role is lighter and less durable in nature and shape.

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Breaker's design philosophy is low-profile, high-speed, low-drag, versus the Brawler quartet's defensive philosophy.

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Similarly, Venator's emphasis is melee combat at higher speed-essentially rocket tag with fists-which leaves it out of the Brawler family.

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So for delineation-Brawler philosophy follows Battletech's "Brawler" archtype philosophy, which is trading heavy impact shots with heavy armor and stalling/tanking at closing ranges, not high-speed first-strike aggression tactics like the light assault family of Breaker, Venator, etc.

last anchor
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So thats the deliniation.

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Actually I kinda surprised we dont see Venator in Infinite. They brought back Warmaster but not Venator

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Then again maybe they're waiting

empty bloom
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I'm currently trying to group GEN2 into more strict groups because the game hints that they exist, but doesn't explicitly name them.

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Achilles and War Master share something.

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They both have a highly aggressive AI control, for example.

last anchor
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And euphoric combat feedback apparently.

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War Masters is noted as causing similar results to a Gamma Company's mutations.

stoic hamlet
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Probably not to the same extent though.

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IIRC it’s more like injecting rumbledrugs into you… whereas Gamma have that stuff already inside them.

terse sage
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I wonder what the feeling was for a regular civilian when the war ended

orchid kettle
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as opposed to actively injecting you with anything

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MJOLNIR could always be manipulated by the mind, but with war master, it's manipulating you right back

terse sage
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In Fall of Reach it says that Cortana is incapable of taking over Master Chief, but could she if it was a war master helmet?

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Because like you said it's manipulating you right back

stoic hamlet
empty bloom
hollow meteor
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That's why Halo is rated T now, MJOLNIR is censoring it for us :P

empty bloom
tardy shale
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What do you think bout offensive bias

carmine sleet
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I like that they used the cut Guardian design from Halo 3 for their official design

patent aspen
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he’s barely a character

carmine sleet
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They're in the Forerunner trilogy

patent aspen
carmine sleet
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No but I know that it features both Mendicant and Offensive Bias

patent aspen
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Yeah Offensive Bias gets like a couple offhand mentions.

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Not really an appearance nor any characterization.

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I think this “fan-favorite character” thing is like the emperors new clothes

stoic hamlet
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Yeah he never actually appears. He gets more in the terminals, really.

frozen timber
#

In lore does the rakshasa armour have shielding? Is it powered at all? If I remember correctly, the head-hunters never made it to the point of spartan shielding or reactors.

empty bloom
frozen timber
empty bloom
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Underneath the cloth onesie the armor is covered in.

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Likely in the same place it was mostly in on GEN2 suits, which is integrated into the back of the techsuit, near the shoulders.

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As power core/important component integration was one of the chief advantages GEN2 had over GEN1.

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In case you didn't notice, there is only one singular spot you can actually see the undersuit of Rakshasa, and that is the ankles. The rest of the armor is covered in what is, presumably, a sensor-cloaking cloth suit.

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For example, Rakshasa's chestplate isn't directly attached to the actual undersuit like conventional MJOLNIR, it is strapped around and over the torso via conventional strappings.

stoic hamlet
frozen timber
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I've looked into it a bit and I'm pretty sure you're right but they don't have full spartan shielding. Seeing as no reactor is located at the back as seen in nearly any other spartan armour. Apparently SPI head hunters had modified SPI armour that provided them with quasi shielding. So I'm guessing the rakshasa has a similar maybe more advanced version of that. Also are you sure the techsuit is powered? I'm pretty sure the tech-suit is just a conduit for the fusion reactor that sits on the back. Also the gloves are part of the tech-suit. i think.

frozen timber
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Unless its been confirmed my guess is that the rakshasa armor has its reactor in its chest. If it even has a reactor. Maybe some sort of battery seeing as its so small.

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Nvm i just read the Mirage core desc and all of that has just gone out the window.

empty bloom
vague scroll
frozen timber
empty bloom
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MJOLNIR needs room to store medical supplies, armor sealant, etc

vague scroll
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the micro fusion reactor is generally the size of like a grapefruit/cantalope, kinda of a decent sized cylinder shape?

stoic hamlet
vague scroll
frozen timber
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Idk, i clearly dk what i'm talking about so ill just stop. thx for answering my questions tho everyone!

vague scroll
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you're good, I don't know everything either - Canadian would dumbfound me if I asked anything deeper about IIIs or armor lore

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he's got the book reciepts

empty bloom
#

I want more content about GEN2 Suture someday.

vague scroll
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Between MCC/Halo Online armor and Halo 5, we do have a deluge of armor that would be awesome to see come back but probably too much to adapt - I'd like to see more from Interceptor and Decimator (even if just to get more detail out of the connection between it and apparently the Mark VII prototype in Kilo-5 trilogy)

stoic hamlet
empty bloom
scarlet quiver
#

You know i love it when y'all talk nerdy. 😆

stoic hamlet
#

Apparently my Reddit posts are a turn on for some… so….

grand prairie
#

Does anyone if know if ODST armor has radiation shielding?

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Would make sense considering they can go in space

fair hazel
#

Keith voicing the audio book!!!

last anchor
#

Didact is back oh yeah

fair hazel
#

JEREMY PATENAUDE!>:!!?!?!

last anchor
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He's baaaackkkk

fair hazel
#

Jeremy Patenaude wrote the story at the end of fractures!!!!

tardy shale
patent aspen
#

Well, unsure of the last part.

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All Halo 5 did was set up the Created.

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Anyway, that legendary ending inspired a lot of people going “OMG OFFENSIVE BIAS IS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER” and I have to ask: really?!

orchid kettle
#

truly, the Bias bros are the Gasters of Halo

patent aspen
#

That’s literally the only thing the character has ever done.

orchid kettle
#

OB probably gets a big boost by being the guy who slapped MB around

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what with MB actually still being important

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so in the mind of the fans, they're a matched set

dusk jetty
#

It’s like Abeloth a little bit. People love Slightly Mysterious beings with a ton of power that’s only alluded to

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(Another hot take, Abeloth is also a mid character)

grand prairie
#

Is there a lore reason why the reach and ODST drones look so different?

orchid kettle
grand prairie
meager pier
terse sage
#

So the reason Skirmishers are in Reach but not in any game until Infinite is that they nearly went extinct?

#

How does that work

empty bloom
terse sage
#

I mean did the Covenant really send all of their skirmishers to Reach?

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Or a significant percentage

empty bloom
#

Likely a significant percentage. Though with the realization that Tvoans are not the only Skirmishers, it assuaged the blow.

patent aspen
#

By the way, the Skirmishers in Halo Infinite aren’t T’vaoan. They’re regular jackals wearing a wig lol

terse sage
#

They are? I never noticed lol

patent aspen
#

I thought they were beige T’vaoans.

last anchor
#

New lore for the end of Halo 5!

fair hazel
#

It was amazing

meager pier
#

This new book, Empty Throne, which Spartans do you think it could follow? I think maybe Locke or Thorne

wild herald
#

It’s possible it’s Osiris remade with Thorne, Locke, Tanaka, and possibly Palmer or another Spartan from Majestic

meager pier
#

'I'm thinking whatever they're looking for to disconnect Cortana from the Domain could end up being Abaddon

wild herald
#

It’s possible but finding a precursor AI that disappeared millions of years ago seems a little far fetched could be they’re looking for something new

meager pier
orchid kettle
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but "Blood" isnt in the title so I guess its not them

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but they're kinda the only team of IVs with a dynamic I enjoy

meager pier
#

Since it says new heroes, I doubt it means Blue Team

wild herald
#

Matt Forbeck writes the Alpha Nine One books so I’m doubtful

wild herald
meager pier
#

Some think maybe Didact could get involved somehow, the description saying what they’re looking for is a “living, forsaken product of an old war”

last anchor
#

Nah, homeboy is CONTAINED

quiet shoal
#

Do we know which spartan team fell to the flood?

#

I found it so incredibly interesting that this happened

dusk jetty
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No, just that a containment team board the Saturn did

quiet shoal
#

Dang

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Should bought more req packs

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Smh

dusk jetty
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Didn’t use the saw

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The saw would obliterate flood

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Same with the bulldog

meager pier
wild flicker
#

Steve Downes said Chief's story should end with him dying in combat.

stoic hamlet
#

I agree with that. It’s the only thing that fits for his character.

last anchor
#

It's only fitting

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Don't like it but it's fitting

patent aspen
#

I’d end his story with the “king under the mountain” trope, personally. Gone, but not dead.

#

Or Ogier the Dane. The paladin who wielded Cortana.

meager pier
crystal stratus
#

What if in a future title the Chief gets cloned and turned into an a.i. and through the campaign you'd play as your multiplayer spartan like in reach with chief in your head

meager pier
#

Don't give them any ideas

last anchor
wild herald
#

I would like it better if when chief does inevitably stop being the main character he’s replaced by our Spartan instead of another character

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However I think the end of his story will be the end of any major threats like the banished or flood in halo it would probably be smaller insurgent like threats

last anchor
#

I wouldnt mind if he ends up being able to retire somewhere.
A quiet end, perhaps as a trainer for future Spartans.

wild herald
#

It’s not Chiefs style never has been and never will be he’ll likely either be lost in space or go MIA in a way similar to Noble 6

patent aspen
wild herald
#

Exactly

carmine sleet
#

So what you're saying is Six's face is MIA while the rest is KIA?

silver canopy
#

so basically Hazmat is a civilian protection suit, that with modifications can be repurposed for power armor with shields if needed, right?

abstract wren
#

yes

quiet shoal
#

Appetite for destruction and the answer should have helped

#

Probably accidentally empied each other

carmine sleet
#

The Answer would be so useful

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Like, I wouldn't be surprised if it exists as an answer to fighting Flood

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Since we don't exactly have much lore on the weapon variants

terse sage
#

Thats why it's called "The Answer"

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Bc its the answer to pretty much any problem

carmine sleet
#

Indeed

scarlet quiver
#

This whole "Chief is a machine and cant stop" personality, I dont see him retiring, but planning on fighting until he dies in battle.

How about the intro to 4 then with Halsey? Think instead of "replacing" Chief, they would write that into they want to clone Chief to make an AI???

abstract wren
#

Its more like every sources

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But making him an IA is clearly not great

scarlet quiver
#

Dont get me wrong, I would prefer a Johnson AI.

carmine sleet
#

I don't think we'll be seeing a Chief AI in the future

wild flicker
meager pier
scarlet quiver
#

If he is ready to retire, then best wishes. If not, 😁.

wild herald
#

I think his fight against the endless is his last fight first they’ll take out Atriox then the endless and his fight against the endless will probably end in him being sent out with a bang

carmine sleet
#

I think it'd be more interesting if Chief isn't able to live to see the end of the fight

#

Like, obviously he'd deal a big blow to the Endless and the Banished, but imagine a UNSC that has just witnessed Chief finally fall in battle

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And the next main character has this expectation of having to take this threat on in spite of the loss of Chief

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And prove that while they are not like Chief, they are still willing to keep fighting to ensure humanity's survival

wild herald
#

I like the idea of that but I don’t think it’s the way they’ll go

orchid kettle
#

I feel like Chief has already had his most fitting ending with Halo 3

scarlet quiver
#

Whoh whoh, slow down guys.
You dont think they will simply replace Steve with another voice actor?

orchid kettle
#

Where he believes the fight is won, but with no place in a world without war, seals himself away

carmine sleet
orchid kettle
#

Because he just can't exist without having a battle to fight

carmine sleet
#

And I don't want any AI voice work done either, really not a fan of that

scarlet quiver
#

Heh, that would shake up the lore quite a bit.

#

I would be okay, like with Johnson in HW2 where he was simply a... what was he?
Announcer or something.

#

Wasnt lore specific, but a nice surprise.

stoic hamlet
#

He was a commander.

wild herald
#

Johnson was a playable character

stoic hamlet
#

But it was obviously non-canon.

scarlet quiver
#

Exactly. Thanks.

safe hawk
#

Halo should’ve ended with chief and Cortana securing the mantle. Fast forward a thousand years into the future, and bring in a new protagonist and AI

carmine sleet
#

Oh definitely not with them attaining the Mantle for humanity

#

That thing is literally used by Forerunners to justify subjugating other species in the galaxy

safe hawk
#

Source?

orchid kettle
#

chiefsmirkle 👌

carmine sleet
#

As someone from the UK where people are literally saying stuff like that, please no

orchid kettle
#

halo itself seems conflicted on what it actually wants in terms of the Mantle

#

like, were the Forerunners bad because they just weren't the chosen ones

#

or were they bad because one race getting to play America World Police is always bad

#

Whats really weird to me is how the Librarian is firmly in the former camp, but she's still seen as this benevolent, righteous goddess figure

#

even though what she preaches is the existence of a master race destined to rule us all

#

she's just not saying its her own race

stoic hamlet
#

Why is it this server makes me want to use analogies that would get me banned?

Because it happens a lot, lol

empty bloom
#

Because, unfortunately for meatsacks like people, organic shrapnel is a thing.

carmine sleet
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Fair point

empty bloom
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I mean, sure, yeah, Spartans, but it doesn't inherently solve the problem of flood infected tissue getting everywhere and still being completely viable.

orchid kettle
empty bloom
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Oh my god, I just realized why the UNSC would be testing those weird anti-vehicle kinetic devices on their guns in War Games in Halo 5. As well as Knight Bayonets.

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They disintegrate Spartans because they incorporate Hardlight weaponry meant to kill the Flood.

stoic hamlet
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Same with the rocket launchers.

empty bloom
stoic hamlet
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Sniper rifles, etc.

empty bloom
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Well, the Flexfire and its Halo 5 cousin likely actually do use an internal modification.

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Considering they fire allegedly smaller caliber rounds.

stoic hamlet
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Yeah.

empty bloom
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... Then again, the S-series uses Discharging Sabots

stoic hamlet
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But a lot of them really wouldn’t be variants.

empty bloom
stoic hamlet
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Like, most of the Hydra variants use different rounds, but the gun itself isn’t likely any different.

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Honestly I imagine most of the variants are just…you know, how the weapon works lorewise.

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Like the Arclight.

empty bloom
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The Railgun always irritated me a bit because of how superfluous HE rounds would be for such a weapon.

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You're accelerating a hunk of metal fast enough that you shouldn't need an explosion.

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It just seems to run counter to the weapon's role.

stoic hamlet
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Honestly with how MJOLNIR/SPI work with image enhancing and on-board computers it’d be a better sniper than an SRS.

Overkill, and kinda unwieldy, but I mean…

empty bloom
stoic hamlet
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In game not really.

…We haven’t seen it used in-lore, actually.

empty bloom
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I always took it as the sniper being the focal point for the Spartan itself but the armor doing the heavy lifting for sensory.

stoic hamlet
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Oh, yeah.

empty bloom
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Speaking of fun conversations

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So a friend and I were talking about what would happen if Emile took Chief's place on High Charity

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And we came to the conclusion that Emile would beeline to commit the most war crimes against Covenant Civilians as rapidly as he could instead of completing mission objectives.

grim nexus
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He would get stabbed by another zealot before completing his mission

carmine sleet
stoic hamlet
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I mean, Emile is at the end of the day a Spartan, trained by Kurt and Mendez. He’s not going to let bloodlust or rage take over.

empty bloom
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Nah, that was an awful joke on my part.

dusty ferry
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I'm a big fan of the kinetic bolts stuff (and blaze of glory which has one or something similar), and its pretty obviously meant as a hardlight converter given how the general look of the gun and the effects of the bullets (the orange juice, disintegration, Promethean light stuff out the barrel)

empty bloom
dusty ferry
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and that only logics out for either mainlining a higher value weapon for better antishield, destruction of biologics (blaze of glory is literally on Argent moon if i remember right), and generally hitting harder against prometheans (assuming actual lore implications of hardlight)

dusty ferry
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and that station was messing around with weird biological weapons

gleaming hollow
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did they already show off firefight?

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oh my bad. wrong chat

empty bloom
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I think it started with an M?

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Ebola, that's what it was

dusty ferry
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Yeah, but its still something you need to decontaminate given I'm like 80% sure its a virus

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and hardlight is like the best decontaminant based on my limited understanding of forerunner tactics

empty bloom
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IIRC yeah, because it basically disintigrates things.

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Note to self

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Stop pretending Halo fans know anything about logistics when it comes to sourcing Forerunner ammo

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It only leads to agony when you repeat yourself for the third time explaining why some dude can't expect a heatwave to get reloads in the field

unique rune
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"why doesn't Chief just reload the plasma rifle? is he stupid?"

dusty ferry
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Chief apparently needing to carry like 40 different charges for plasma weapons "Why am i doing this when everyone else has the same gun?"

carmine sleet
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Just grab a USB-C cable and plug it into his armour

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I'm pretty sure it needs one of those cables, right?

safe hawk
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Seeing that weapon in the map, you just know the map is a classic

patent aspen
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I really liked the Whiplash

safe hawk
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In infinite, the power weapons are usually a sniper or a rocket. Total joke

carmine sleet
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This is why we need more stuff brought into Infinite

safe hawk
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There are a lot of stuff in infinite. A lot of useless stuff

meager pier
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Once he’s done with the character, Chief’s story should end

carmine sleet
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Glad to know we're in agreement

safe hawk
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Nowadays people get hyped up for a shoulder piece, cross core and charms

meager pier
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Gonna be interesting as well to see how much longer Jen continues to play her characters, as Halsey’s still kicking, and the Weapon is brand new

dusk jetty
safe hawk
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They should’ve brought in a new actor

dusk jetty
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Also halo 4 terminals

safe hawk
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They want Jen doing it until she is as old as Steve

dusk jetty
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Ai only have a lifespan of seven years though!

empty bloom
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Like, it's the single most correct thing Chief says in the entire game, lmao

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"Nah, that's stupid and also imperialist" - The most based statement Chief ever said

dusk jetty
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Pro democracy chief

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Halo 7: Chief goes to 1700’s South America to help kick out colonial empires

meager pier
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Watch Halsey get composed and she’s now digital, she won’t have to make AI copies anymore 😝

safe hawk
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Makes up great storytelling and it’s a way to exit the chief character

empty bloom
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... No.

safe hawk
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👍

dusty ferry
meager pier
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The final game in the series is gonna have Atriox attempts to transcend the Universe, becoming greater than anything else in existence, not bound by the laws or rules of anything anymore

dusty ferry
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Infinite chief genuinely gave off the vibe where he sees the forerunners as that racist uncle you don't like talking about, but he's also famous, so everyone keeps talking about them.

carmine sleet
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Chief is just like "I've done the whole ancient evil thing like 5 times already, can we please just skip to the part where I finish this fight already"

dusty ferry
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I genuinely remember chief having no real reaction to the harbinger beyond "i guess this is a thing i have to deal with now."

safe hawk
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A bunch of road blocks

orchid kettle
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maybe even plasma, uh..., whatever the plasma crossbow thing was called in Halo 5

carmine sleet
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Plasma Caster

orchid kettle
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though maybe its too similar to the cindershot, but the Covenant could use a "Bomber" category weapon

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since I see the Ravager as like, a Brute weapon naturally

patent aspen
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The Halo CE PC Fuel Rod was neat

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It fired like a mortar

orchid kettle
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I always wished the Reach Plasma Launcher was cooler than it ultimately ended up being

patent aspen
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Eh it’d be so cheap if it was actually good

orchid kettle
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yeah, unfortunately

patent aspen
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I quite liked the plasma caster

carmine sleet
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It was real fun

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Especially the needle variant

dusty ferry
golden spear
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HOLY HELL, SABERTOOTH IS HERE?

empty bloom
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No they aren't

stoic hamlet
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@patent aspen you’ve got a fan.

golden spear
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I love his Halo lost story videos

patent aspen
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\ (•◡•) /

empty bloom
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I just assumed you were a rando.

patent aspen
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I am a rando

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A rando who makes vids

stoic hamlet
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We are all randos on this blessed day~

obsidian thistle
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Its always fun to see how many lore peeps are familiar! Makes our own side of the community feel very homely! Ya know it kinda just makes me smile!

drowsy mesa
carmine sleet
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Thought that was figured out when it first got shown off?

drowsy mesa
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Yeah, it was a detail lost to me in that blog, my bad xD

dim thistle
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Which halo installation is your favorite?

orchid kettle
dim thistle
meager pier
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Yeah

versed helm
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TIL there are neo facists and communists in Halo lore

last anchor
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And the UNSC flattened them both during the Interplanetary War yes.

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They're the reason the UNSC exists

fiery notch
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It was how the UNSC was created

versed helm
last anchor
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The UEG came later.

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As a result of the war I believe.

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Which is why, despite the UN not technically having as much power, its the UNSC, not UEGSC

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The UN does still exist and at least as of 2552 it has its OG offices in New York.

versed helm
last anchor
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The UEG extends outwards. Covers Earth and her colonies

versed helm
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Ah that makes more sense

stoic hamlet
last anchor
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That makes sense.

empty bloom
meager bone
unique rune
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No
War Games locations are simulated

Forbidden would be a recreation of a location somewhere on Zeta Halo, not actually taking place at that location on the ring itself

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To get the data needed to generate the sim there’d have to be some UNSC presence there but they almost certainly wouldn’t be having Spartans actively training against each other on the ring

orchid kettle
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The UNSC did occupy Zeta Halo before Cortana's takeover and Infinite

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that's why there's FOBs everywhere

carmine sleet
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I wish we got to see UNSC research outposts in Infinite

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Like, at least one being used as a holdout against the Banished or something

fair hazel
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also the UNSC has been on the ring for years

dusty ferry
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yeah, like at least 2 years

dusty ferry
last anchor
last anchor
stoic hamlet
fair hazel
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I hope the survivors are doing well

abstract yarrow
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So what’s the opinion on the new book announcement? Halo Empty Throne. I am a little unsure as Halo Outcasts was a bit of bait and switch. But, they do seem to genuinely be trying to fill in the blanks between Halo 5 and Infinite. Which is good. 😄 This is probably the best time to be addressing that. Hopefully we get a Cortana POV and some sense of what’s going on with Earth.

Given the Chimera core I think they seem to be taking the Created in the direction of something like the Borg instead of the Culture.

meager pier
terse sage
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Is there fighting on other sections of Zeta Halo or is it all concentrated in that one area?

empty bloom
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The Banished 'hot spot' is apparently primarily around Escharum's little fort; The majority of Banished forces are likely slumming it aboard their five plus fully functional warships, who would likely turn any Pelicans taking off into dust.

terse sage
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So there are other pockets, they're just all isolated from one another

empty bloom
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For the UNSC, absolutely.

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Oof

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Forgot I was on official

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Anyways, the Rubicon Protocol Spartans were basically in the single most important part of the ring to the Banished.

terse sage
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Do you think the Banished took heavy casualties taking down the Infinity? Even if caught off guard it's still a formidable ship

terse sage
empty bloom
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At least one enemy vessel was atomized with the Infinity's main guns.

empty bloom
terse sage
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Sre the Infinity's guns Super MACs or just powerful regular ones?

empty bloom
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SMACs, at least in terms of power.

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Though, realistically speaking-The Infinity losing makes more sense when you consider that they had been spending shells like water with no real way to resupply.

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So it literally may well have just been out of ammunition to spend.

terse sage
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In Rubicon Protocol I think they mention the constant rumbling of the guns, meaning they must have been firing at a pretty solid rate

empty bloom
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Yep.

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But there's a lot of guns on the Infinity

terse sage
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Not just the SMACs

empty bloom
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4× CR-03B, Series-8 MAC (2 bow, 2 bow flank) (Post-2558 refit)
350× 24 M42 Archer
250× 30 M75 Rapier
500× 20 M96 Howler
830× M965 Fortress 70mm guns
10× Mark 2551 MAC network
85× M85 Anti-Aircraft Gun network
190× M97 Guided Missile Weapon System network
Several HAVOK tactical nuclear weapons

terse sage
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Also is there a reason MAC guns aren't mounted on moveable turrets and are always fixed in a forward position?

empty bloom
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If I had to guess, the missile pods and Series-8s were likely near empty by the time the Banished fought the Infinity.

empty bloom
terse sage
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The one in Reach wouldn't be all that effective against larger ships that weren't vulnerable

empty bloom
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Yep

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Realistically, the Onager in Reach also shouldn't have oneshot a cruiser, but w/e, it's Reach, and Reach hates consistency.

terse sage
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I like Reach but even I agree that was pushing it

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Covenant ships even without shields are very durable

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And are those Banished ships their own or a type of covenant ship we've never seen?

empty bloom
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Well, kind of

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It's based off of the hulls of unknown Covenant ships.

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It's likely the rams do so much damage because they're basically supersized gravity hammers.

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As the primary weapon of the ship is, specifically, a Superheavy Grav-Impact Driver, which doesn't really provide a lot of wiggle room for interpretation.

terse sage
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Like what we see in the first cutscene

empty bloom
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Yep

terse sage
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And the rest of the UNSC has absolutely no idea where the ring is

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But Rubicon Protocol implies that help could be coming

inland olive
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I just finished Rubicon protocol last night 😭 what a ride

terse sage
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It's pretty good

dusk jetty
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Since there’s so many friendly tags in the space around zeta

terse sage
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Rubicon Protocol implies that the Banished lost at least a few ships and quite a few people made it to the surface

dusk jetty
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It’s not a pillar of autumn situation where they don’t have anything. They took pelicans, and obviously plenty of supplies given how many weapons, crates and vehicles there are

terse sage
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Enough to give the Banished a pretty good fight at the Reverie

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It lasted 2 days I think

dusk jetty
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And the reverie isn’t even all of the unsc forces on the ring. Still missing Lasky, Osiris, Palmer, and Halsey(I think)

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Not to mention a couple Spartans are genuinely MIA

terse sage
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Also I wonder if the Banished fragmented into different factions after Infinite because Rubicon Protocol says Escharum was the only thing holding them together

dusk jetty
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That’s a question that is left sort of unanswered

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Like a lot of other infinite questions

terse sage
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Like wth the Endless are

dusk jetty
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Assuming atriox returns, I doubt the banished would just go it alone

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We have some answers about the endless, but only about their past

terse sage
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Tbh when I first played the game I hoped it was just another name for the flood

dusk jetty
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I hoped it was too honestly

terse sage
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But as I went further into the campaign that idea made less and less sense

dusk jetty
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I’ve seen some arguments that they are precursors, which would technically make them flood

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But I doubt that because
A: The forerunners killed most The precursors
B: They survived the halo effect, which precursors and their stuff DO NOT do.
C: If they were really precursors then harbinger would’ve just shriveled Chief into a ball of flesh

terse sage
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I wonder if Chief gets tired of dealing with all this ancient space magic stuff

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Like he misses the days where all he had to do was kill Covenant

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But now he's saving the universe from ancient species wielding powers that are basically god-tier

dusk jetty
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I’d imagine he probably is

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But “it’s all he knows”

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Which is true, but I still think that you can give him other reasons

dusty ferry
meager pier
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Harbinger quotes Gravemind verbatim, and even in the same cadence

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After Lucas Browning listens to the Harbinger, he goes crazy, this is what happened to Humans who listened to the Primordial

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When sending out a signal to find the Endless, the Weapon points out that the connection is sentient

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And finally, in the encyclopedia, it points out that the Endless are atuned to Living Time itself

last anchor
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The Precursors were able to take many forms, as we have slowly been learning.

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Its possible they arent Precursors themselves, but Precursor allied or directed.

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They could be another form of them, taken to survive the Flood or the Halo array

meager pier
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@last anchor that’s what I think, they’re either Precursors themselves just in a less advanced form, or a follower species of the Precursors

patent aspen
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I think the “worse than the Flood” line could only possibly be true with Precursors.

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Boy, is that a tall order.

scarlet quiver
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The writing room is going to be busy.

stoic hamlet
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Interplanetary War lore.

stoic hamlet
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Zeta Halo lore:

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Oop, bad link

obsidian thistle
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Some good news for those who care

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Manufacturers were fixed in Halo Infinite

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(Mostly, I expect some here to notice "a handful" of errors. But Mostly fixed is fantastic)

empty bloom
obsidian thistle
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I can actually get to work on the pages and not expect a large amount of work later now

dusty ferry
dusty ferry
obsidian thistle
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I'm probably gonna do a lotta work regarding that sorta thing.

I probably should investigate a way to stop people putting "GEN3 compatible" on the relevant pages on the Wiki. As there is a lotta weirdness to consider aha

empty bloom
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Considering the absolute mess that would be post-created logistics, it's oddly fitting that the wiki is messy on that subject too.