#lore-and-universe

1 messages ¡ Page 38 of 1

boreal bane
#

Nice!

stoic hamlet
#

I saw! Congrats! 😄

empty bloom
#

Glad to have it in specific writing :3

carmine sleet
#

Congratulations!

last anchor
#

The Brutes have always done that, even when they were still with the Covenant.

#

Thats just their thing.

#

They've taken human prisoners to mess with for years.

#

One of these days I'll try and get a question in...was that via Twitter?

#

Next Halo game:
Halo-Ferrets.
You see the Spirit of Fire because its a Republic Commando style squad based shooter with you commanding Jerome, leading Lopis and the Ferrets into battle.

#

Instead of just going incapacitated when they take enough damage, your Gamma's go bonkers and attack the largest, nastiest enemy, taking them down before going incap

stoic hamlet
last anchor
#

Next time

stoic hamlet
grizzled lotus
#

theory, Ripa 'Moramee has such wired mandibles because he is the son of a bungie elite & a 343 elite

grand prairie
#

Do we know how Sanghelious and the other created controlled planets were disarmed? With so many weapons finding themselves in wierd places and some forgotten about did they just destroy the factorys or did they try and manualy remove every single weapon?

primal dirge
#

do we know anything about the fireteams from the season 3 emblems

grizzled lotus
grizzled lotus
#

you can not take wepons away from a race like that

grand prairie
#

Especially with the factorys being there and weapons being everywhere and in all sorts of wierd places

empty bloom
#

They would confiscate weapons as they found them under pain of death.

#

And Elites may consider themselves warriors, but they aren't necessarily idiots for the most part.

grizzled lotus
grand prairie
#

So it was more of they took them as they manualy found them

empty bloom
#

Yep.

#

Part of the issue of Created rule is that they controlled in a fashion that was ignorant and uncaring of the martial tokens that militant cultures prize.

#

Which, to be fair, they knew the elites and whatnot valued martial prowess-it's just that they didn't care.

grizzled lotus
empty bloom
#

I've yet to actually finish it.

grizzled lotus
#

heh

empty bloom
#

I just know, logically, there isn't really a possibility of complete disarmament in the time frame Halo 5 to Halo Infinite provides.

grizzled lotus
#

yeah

empty bloom
#

And the Created, for as long as they have the Guardians, are sure as hell gonna prefer the stick to the carrot if your decision is to chafe under their velvet glove.

grizzled lotus
#

can't wait to see a book/game about a sec-ops SoS* group liberate sanghelios *(swords of sanghelios)

grand prairie
empty bloom
#

I wouldn't hold your breath for a game about it.

grizzled lotus
empty bloom
#

Based 343 tbh

orchid kettle
empty bloom
grizzled lotus
empty bloom
#

I mean they don't smirkle

grizzled lotus
#

#sangheili preferred species

empty bloom
#

I bullied them back in the day

grizzled lotus
#

noooooooo 😦

#

i feel discriminated against

#

you heretics can burn

empty bloom
#

:3

#

Anywho, at least for the most part, the Created had seemed confident that they could enforce a peace on the ground through force of arms and control of... Well, pretty much anything.

#

Which, to be fair, if the primary way your forces get around is through what is effectively digital reconstruction and teleportation, you might have a point to thinking you have an edge when it comes to controlling things.

stoic hamlet
grand prairie
empty bloom
#

Yep

#

No more driving your fully armed Ghost to the mall.

grand prairie
#

Also does anyone know if there were any Jackals loyal to any of the postwar factions (Swords, Banished, ect) or were they just working for them for the money?

empty bloom
grand prairie
#

Hmm

#

Thanks

carmine sleet
grand prairie
warm pumice
#

Why did the Librarian destroy all of the key ships, and then plan on keeping the portal buried on Earth for humans to go and claim the Mantle if she destroyed all of the transportation to the Ark?

carmine sleet
#

The Keyships were destroyed to stop the Flood from reaching the Ark

#

It wasn't a long planned decision, but an in the moment "I need to stop them or else our plans will fail"

terse lava
#

Think he's more so asking, "How was Humanity to make it to the ark to claim their birthright when they lacked the location of the site and any transportation to it."

carmine sleet
#

That doesn't really change my answer, the destruction of the Keyships was a decision made to ensure that the Flood were not able to get to the Ark due to the circumstances at the time they were destroyed. Had there not been a risk of Flood forms commandeering one, they wouldn't have been destroyed

warm pumice
carmine sleet
#

I don't know if scrapped is the right word, as the Forerunners still intended on humanity inheriting everything they made, but it definitely hindered that goal

last anchor
#

A setback, but presumably one they hoped humanity would overcome eventually.

#

The Ark is accessable through simple spacetravel, after all. It takes months but its doable.

#

The Absolute Record exists, Requiem existed (might still exist?)

#

Humanity reaching the Ark specifically wasn't the only option for their reclamation

obsidian thistle
#

Sooo I need a lil help!

#

A tiny lore query that has stumped me

#

So as some may know Halo: CEA's Halo has fins!

#

Now onto my question! Where in Primordium do these even come into play!

#

I'm beyond stumped!

#

(Note: This isnt me bashing CEA, more trying to work out a mystery!)

orchid kettle
#

but Im not sure how that relates to Alpha Halo at all

#

since they're two different "production runs", for lack of a better word

#

(I also 100% do not believe that they were there intended all along and we just couldn't see because it was 2001)

dusk jetty
#

As for the fins, I’m going to assume just stylistic design choices, and possibly just slightly different variation in each installation

#

05 looks nothing like 04 in anniversary editions

#

And spark did mention he “played” with sections of the ring in the terminals, for lack of a better word

#

Although most of the array shares similarities, it wouldn’t be a stretch to assume each monitor may have changed some things about their installation, after all, they’ve had hundreds of thousands of years to screw around with it

#

I will admit that I’m not a huge fan of the outer ring design in CEA. The normal design we see in 2A is much better in my opinion, gives a simplistic, yet vast sense of scale, whereas this one just kind of looks like a part of a ship.

safe hawk
#

Halo infinite being the sequel to halo 5 is like if episode 7 was the direct sequel to episode 3

carmine sleet
#

If you're referring to the Star Wars films, your comparison doesn't exactly work

#

Halo Infinite is a story that has more ties to the events of Halo 5 than episode 7 has to episode 3

#

Not to mention that it's following Chief, who while he has less of a prominent role in 5, still was in that game

#

The main protagonists of episode 7 were new to that film

safe hawk
#

Rise of the created = rise of the empire

dusk jetty
# safe hawk Halo infinite being the sequel to halo 5 is like if episode 7 was the direct seq...

Not really. Infinite has a part of its story that does relate to 5, but the overall premise is sort of separate, and the story was planned after halo 5, (assuming the legendary after credits scene is not just an Easter egg.) whereas episode 7 pretty much ignored the prequels because they came such a long time after them. 50+ years after them, whereas infinite only takes place about 2 years after 5. And the sequels were not planned AT ALL. no communication between directors of movies whatsoever

carmine sleet
empty bloom
#

I like 5 but the two situations aren't really all that comparable to me.

carmine sleet
#

Thank you!

#

Like, I get people love to compare Halo 5 to Star Wars for some reason but there's much better things to compare than this

empty bloom
#

I always felt like it borrows more from JJ Abrams Star Trek than Star Wars, lmao

carmine sleet
#

You know, I can see what you mean

empty bloom
#

I think outside of cinematography, though, comparisons like that are just attempts to achieve symbolic slam dunks on the opposing opinion. It's like competitive navel gazing.

#

Perhaps it would be more constructive to actually promote your opinion without trying to degrade the other side with denigrating statements.

safe hawk
empty bloom
#

You know, as opposed trying to be Aozalai or something

#

Which is what this comes across as to me.

carmine sleet
#

Wait? Was that aimed at me?

empty bloom
carmine sleet
#

Ok

safe hawk
#

I was simply making the comparison in the sense of how a major portion of the story was not told. But continue.

carmine sleet
#

We see the rise of the Empire in Star Wars

safe hawk
#

….

empty bloom
#

I don't trust innocent comparisons because they usually are not so innocent.

safe hawk
#

Okay

carmine sleet
#

It's a big part of the prequel trilogy

safe hawk
#

That’s on you my guy.

carmine sleet
#

You brought up the Star Wars comparison

safe hawk
#

Yes. Because of the notion that it’s episodic. You tried to make the comparison of universes

#

A major part of the created story was skipped. That’s why I said what I said.

grand prairie
#

Does anyone know if the gravity axe from the R6 Collab Trailer is a cannon version of a non diminisher of hope gravity axe?

placid shard
#

What does the halo reach dog rags look like, currently making a cosplay and wants to make the fallen Noble 6 tags for the gravity hammer

empty bloom
placid shard
quiet shoal
icy yoke
#

Namely it's bizarre machab aliens

#

Unlike star wars trek has a Earth bound social history that guided its development

#

People treat stat wars it's more fantasy fiction in a space dwelling society

#

Star trek isn't utopia fiction. It's dystopia aversion fiction

#

Halo is in similar front they're in the stages humanity went thru before interstellar cooperation

dusk jetty
# icy yoke People treat stat wars it's more fantasy fiction in a space dwelling society

It pretty much is for the most part, andor and rogue one are outliers in their realism but for the most part, Star Wars is pretty laid back compared to halo or Star Trek. There’s plenty upon plenty of lore for it however, for example, incom corporation produced the x wing for the empire, but due to its cost to manufacture (the empire was cheap and looking to cut down on costs after the clone wars wherever possible) they went with Sienars design for the tie fighter, and nationalized incom and seized all assets instead under the guise of collusion with anarchists. (They weren’t wrong actually, incom was becoming disgruntled.) Not to mention Raith sienar was a friend of Tarkin and Palpatine and often had first dibs on most starfighter contracts anyway. Kuat drive yards had most of the capital ship contracts.

Dear me, I’ve gone on a rant about fictional starships again

#

This sort of lore is definitely still around for halo, but the depth you get isn’t as deep. Part of the reason I admire the dedication people have to both franchises.

radiant panther
#

What if the BOB Elites are just random Sangheili who are cosplaying as Elite OCs.

empty bloom
icy yoke
stoic hamlet
empty bloom
scarlet quiver
#

😳

grand prairie
carmine sleet
#

I don't think that BOB has an explanation yet

empty bloom
#

I've just been assuming they're a specialized subvariant of the Evocati.

#

As the General Harness is somewhat similar to the Seneschal armor, it could be that at least the white-armored General Harness BoBs could be Seneschal order members.

blissful ether
#

Harvest was the first planet to get attacked by the covenant, it was captured by them however the UNSC continued and continued pushing. After 5 years they finally retook it however by that point 80% of the planet had been glassed, nontheless it still provided great morale for the human forces

empty bloom
#

I still think fighting that hard for a harvest (hah) world wasn't the best strategic decision, but then I figure it's not exactly that weird at that stage in the war for the UNSC to overestimate its reach.

blissful ether
#

in my opinion they should've pulled back in the 1st or 2nd year

#

save up men and ships

#

hell first few months

grand prairie
grand prairie
orchid kettle
#

probably just a weirdly drawn carbine

empty bloom
#

Probs where the pulse carbine came from.

orchid kettle
#

since Elites in HW2 replaced Jackals as the alien sniper unit

grand prairie
#

Or maybe its a carbine that is full auto and thats what the storm rifle spinny thing is for

orchid kettle
#

HW2 art is just weird

#

There's one you can see in Firefight I believe, where an ODST has some strange fusion of the silenced SMG and the battle rifle

grand prairie
orchid kettle
#

I think artists just take a lot of liberties

#

sometimes you get weird weapons that don't exist canonically

#

sometimes they clearly just take a png of a weapon's in game model and insert it into the artwork

#

sometimes both

grand prairie
#

Yep. There was also alot of MA37s (or 40s) that were missing their yellow stripe.

grand prairie
empty bloom
dusk jetty
#

Don’t look at reach spartan concept art either

#

It’s a very acquired taste

#

(Especially Jun)

empty bloom
grand prairie
vapid quail
#

Speaking of weird armor, could I get an answer on why in the world the Mark IV Blue Team wears in Halo 4: Forward Unto Dawn looks like Mark V [and Gen 3 Mark VI in 117's case].

unique rune
#

The in-universe reason is just that the MJOLNIR platform was constantly iterated upon and dozens of variants were being field-tested at any given time
Some of these developments would feed into later models, others wouldn't

vapid quail
#

Ah, that makes sense.

unique rune
#

And then IRL they were just reusing some existing assets to help with production

vapid quail
#

That was my assumption.

vapid quail
unique rune
#

The suits used for Fred and Kelly are just slight modifications of props from Reach's Deliver Hope ad

empty bloom
vapid quail
#

Ah, cool. I still need to watch that one.

vapid quail
empty bloom
#

Halo Legends took place when they'd all still be wearing Mark IV.

#

Though, plotwise, it leaves a lot to be desired.

vapid quail
#

Ahh, I see...

#

So much cool stuff to watch!

safe hawk
empty bloom
safe hawk
# empty bloom What was it?

It was his theory on whether Cortana was really evil. He was saying that maybe she was preparing us for what’s to come.

The endless

#

Recorded this video 2 years before any info on infinite

empty bloom
#

... Hmn.

#

I mean, I guess. I still think the gilded cage thing makes more sense.

vapid quail
#

Interesting.

empty bloom
#

As the Endless were more something she was all "So?" about?

vapid quail
#

If Cortana knew there were worse things than stuff like Prometheans and Flood, how did Halsey or John not know?? They were, like, super close at points.

#

Unless....

#

The Gravemind revealed these things to her in H2??

empty bloom
vapid quail
#

Fair point.

empty bloom
#

She had access to the whole of Forerunner history leading up to the firing of the Halo rings, and the knowledge of her whole life at war; Stopping war damn the means is a pretty freaking good reason.

#

But she played her hand too fast, with too little, and problably didn't plan for getting merced in under a year.

vapid quail
#

Mmm.... very good thought.

empty bloom
#

She didn't start a line of succession in case she died, she didn't offer use of the domain freely to other AI, the Warden and Guardians didn't have access. I still like to think the Created have access to Forerunner constructs like knights and soldiers and such, maybe keeping just enough domain access to not choke and die considering Sloan's behavior not immediately turning to panic because rampancy was at his throat, but other than that, there's really nothing she explicitly set up that they could use once she died.

safe hawk
empty bloom
#

Preaching to the choir.

safe hawk
#

I was hoping for a Cortana and the weapon standoff

#

But we didn’t get that

vapid quail
#

Yeah, this all makes waay too much sense, LOL.

safe hawk
#

Sad panda

vapid quail
#

Me too.

safe hawk
#

Halo fans make me sick

empty bloom
#

It's mostly frustrating to me because many of the people who hated Cortana's actions claimed to understand her character.

safe hawk
#

That was me in the r/ halo discord a half an hour ago

empty bloom
#

It's like, the one thing the game is actively screaming in your face for most of the runtime.

safe hawk
#

My brain was melting

empty bloom
#

I avoid r/Halo like the plague for a reason.

safe hawk
#

Some arguments are cool there

#

But MAN

vapid quail
safe hawk
#

They were saying how the games should’ve told you that Cortana was still alive after the chief and Cortana moment in 4

#

Like… 😂

empty bloom
#

Eh. I mean, I do think there should've been one at the end of Spartan Ops.

#

Because it would've made sense there for it.

safe hawk
#

THAT

#

would’ve made sense

#

Or like Halsey picking up on the signal that is familiar to her

vapid quail
#

Exactlyyyy....

safe hawk
#

But I liked that they didn’t say anything about it

#

I hate this new trend of spoiling what the next entry is going to be focused on in the previous entry trend

empty bloom
#

Hell, just having the Cortana data orb effect more often would be interesting.

#

The little orb she turns into when she goes rampant in 4.

safe hawk
#

Nowadays, movies tell you everything in the movie before it’s released

empty bloom
#

I mean

#

It would've been a hell of a subversion though

#

Hinting at ghosts in the system of Cortana, making everyone go "She's totally gonna come back" beyond the obviousness of it being Cortana.

#

But you'd still have the twist that she came back in a way she didn't even expect or know about at the end of 4, and made the best of it

#

"Turning Evil", though I've never really considered it evil in the conventional sense.

vapid quail
#

Naw, I never saw her rampancy as evil...

#

More like, losing control of a storm she's been fighting.

#

After all, she still cared for John, at least, right?

empty bloom
#

She dipped real hard into her Halsey origins.

vapid quail
#

WYM?

safe hawk
safe hawk
empty bloom
# vapid quail WYM?

Pay attention to how Cortana starts to talk about Blue Team as Halo 5 gets closer to its end. It deepens a bit towards Halsey's vocal range and she starts to use more 'halsey-isms' in her language, like referring to Blue Team as her Spartans.

safe hawk
#

It’s the little things

empty bloom
#

Cortana's base action in the game are already very Halsey in nature. Enacting a major plan for the 'human race', in a way that can be construed as violating the very point of the act, with no care for consent. An act with the best of intentions, done with a cold heart, from someone who knows better, in the most pure and most corrupt sense of that term.

vapid quail
#

Ohh...

#

Wow.

#

You're so right..

safe hawk
empty bloom
#

Oh, yeah. That's about the point in the level (Plus the start of the next one) where it kinda flenses back a layer or two into Cortana's headspace at that time, and the results aren't the prettiest.

safe hawk
#

Chief was her only way to experience morality

#

In some capacity

empty bloom
#

Cortana was raised by her mother and Chief, effectively. She never stood a chance.

safe hawk
#

Created for one purpose

#

Chief was the bescon of her sanity

empty bloom
#

I wouldn't say beacon. More like an anchor that kept her from showing why Halsey having power over things is a bad idea for well-laid plans.

safe hawk
#

That’s a better term

empty bloom
#

For all her faults, Miranda Keyes was smart to follow the example of her father, as opposed to her mother. Halsey's a caustic person.

safe hawk
#

She wanted complete control

#

She essentially made the ideal child

vapid quail
#

Really did.

safe hawk
#

A perfect physical vessel in chief and a mind she could control with Cortana

#

Frankenstein in mjolnir

vapid quail
#

The perfect mindless weapon.

#

Brain and brawn.

safe hawk
#

Exactly

#

Order and chaos

#

Yin and yang

#

Can’t have one without the other when it comes to balance

vapid quail
#

Exactly.

#

John was just used.

#

Brainwashed, and then sent out to kill.

safe hawk
#

His monologue in 5 at the end confirms his moment of clarity

#

When he called Cortana out for her hypocrisy

#

I wanted him to say like mother did for us

#

But that’s wishful thinking

vapid quail
#

I wonder if it haunts him...

#

Cortana.

#

Think of how close they were.

#

Even if it was a facade.

safe hawk
#

Considering that she was connected to him via neuro

#

Of course it haunts him

vapid quail
#

Mhm.

safe hawk
#

Another things the games don’t really explain throughly

#

People were to believe they shared a bond when in fact their “bond” was more technical

vapid quail
#

Yeah.

austere bison
#

Cortana was like John's holy Spirit or lady wisdom

lament pike
#

Hi

dusk jetty
#

Do we have a name or reason for the differing ODST bdu’s from 2-3 or are they just style differences

eager ingot
#

I have no idea

unique rune
#

They're different BDUs but I don't think they've ever been given specific designations

grand prairie
dusty ferry
#

It’s probably like a ship class specific thing tbh. Assuming most drop pod equipped vessels have some level of micro forge or whatever they are called

carmine sleet
#

Pretty sure it’s just a simple case of them being different gear with the same purpose, like how real world militaries have different BDUs to each other

orchid kettle
#

I always dug the idea that the H2/Reach armor are more or less light and heavy versions of the same BDU

#

and the Halo 3 and Halo 3: ODST variants are the Space Assault armor mentioned in Silent Storm

#

though, that has the problem of the Rookie cosplay guide calling the armor out as a "late war design"

silver canopy
#

So Spartans 3 are weaker than Spartans 2. That was stated by many sources I found.

But what about Spartans 4, i know their origin, but their power level was never clearly stated. How do they compare to gen 2 and 3 ?

orchid kettle
#

The deal with any generation of Spartan really is what makes them truly exceptional is their experience, training, and technology

#

Im curious what sources are telling you that IIIs are definitely weaker, since the only time a II and a III have met in combat involves one party having the magic suit that multiplies your strength while the other doesn't

abstract wren
#

S-IV have better social skills and experience with other branches
S-II are however a better moral (they are indoctrinated) and discipline

silver canopy
orchid kettle
#

Well yeah, a big reason why is because the IIIs, barring some exceptions, didn't get MJOLNIR

#

when one suit is said to cost as much as a destroyer, you can see how easy it is to save on cash

silver canopy
#

Okay, than based on the implants/other changes to the body alone, how do they compare?

abstract wren
#

S-III can "only" run up to 30 km/h while S-II can go up to 50 km/h (Kelly is an exception

#

And S-III have a silhouette of an young ODST, while S-II are generally bigger

silver canopy
abstract wren
carmine sleet
#

It should be noted that there are some big advantages to the S-IIIs being smaller than the S-IIs, especially for more covert operations where being obviously a Spartan would be detrimental to the op

abstract wren
#

true

orchid kettle
#

I assume because 30km/h, in the context of an augmented scifi super soldier, isnt even really superhuman

carmine sleet
#

I would assume the average for an S-III would be similar to an S-II in terms of speed

#

Obviously if the S-III was in SPI against a Mjolnir clad S-II then it’s clearly who would be faster

orchid kettle
#

for reference, ya boi Usain Bolt achieved a record of 44km/h

carmine sleet
#

But put them in the same armour or take them both out, I’d expect that they’d be similar in speed

orchid kettle
abstract wren
carmine sleet
carmine sleet
orchid kettle
#

augs or not

#

III generic requirements are a bit more lax, but relatively speaking, not by that much

#

considering Halsey originally identified 150 possible candidates, but was forced to only choose 75 because of budget constraints

#

while the IIIs first had a wave of 497 possible candidates, then 375, and finally 330

#

like, it went from choosing the Top 0.1% of humanity, to the Top 0.15%

abstract wren
#

and you're asking too much precise question for somethings that have no real answers

stoic hamlet
stoic hamlet
# silver canopy Every single halo lore channel on YouTube. They clearly say that Spartans 3 are ...

Quality over quantity isn’t really applicable here.

There are more III’s than II’s, but their overall quality is generally on par or better, due to technological and augmentation advances.

It’s more akin to look at the II’s as… idk, the first IPhone when it first rolled out. Incredibly advanced, but also expensive.

Whereas the III’s are more like a modern IPhone, or other touchscreen device, now, due to technology advancing, they’re much cheaper, more advanced, and more ubiquitous than ever before, but they’re not worse than the original IPhone.

#

And the IV’s are like that but even more so.

abstract wren
stoic hamlet
#

I have the book on hand, just need to know where to look.

#

I would caution using YouTubers as actual sources, also. Not just for Halo, but in general. If you’re not using the actual source, you could be getting a bad read.

That includes Halopedia, as well.

#

Also, I think someone might have messaged me as well, but the server ate it. @silver canopy it might have been yours? Not sure. I had two pings, but only saw the one message.

abstract wren
#

we have the time and the distance (and yes, its an average)

stoic hamlet
#

Then it’s unreliable and a poor comparison.

Ghosts of Onyx has the III’s in Mark II SPI.

Shadows of Reach has the II’s in GEN3 MJOLNIR.

There’s not a great analogy I can make here, maybe like, an entry level sports car versus a top of the line, state of the art super car.

The examples are so far from each other they’re not worth acknowledging.

abstract wren
#

Its still not the same speed. If a S-II with armor is 50km/h, S-III can't go to this speed when its stated in GoO its only 30hm/h

stoic hamlet
#

It’s not stating they can only go 30 KPH.

Just that they did.

There are plenty of examples of III’s matching those speeds when in MJOLNIR.

You have Noble Team sprinting 96 metres in under six seconds in Halo Reach.

You have Kevin-A282 sprinting over rough terrain to catch up to a warthog (technically he doesn’t catch it, but the ‘hog has a several minute head start and he only arrives maybe 5 or so minutes after it, and he’s far out in the hills. Not a great example, though)

You have Tom-B292 in Legacy of Onyx described as going so fast he was outpacing a warthog.

You’re making an assumption that 30KPH is their maximum sprinting speed, but nowhere is this actually said.

The Fall of Reach gives the II’s sprinting speeds as (roughly) 60 KPH out of armour, we know in MJOLNIR it’s much faster (by proxy).

But we don’t know the base sprint speed of an average III. The comparison by its very nature is flawed.

And I say that as someone who’s done a few posts (now outdated) on the subject.

abstract wren
#

You’re making an assumption that 30KPH is their maximum sprinting speed, but nowhere is this actually said. -> prologue of GoO, 2nd

#

But i see the counter exemple you provide

stoic hamlet
#

I have the book on hand, let me post the actual excerpt.

#
  • He sprinted. Stealth was no longer an operational priority. Getting to the factory where they couldn't be strafed was all that mattered. Behind him, Lucy, Adam, and Min fell in line, covering the rough ground in long powerful strides at nearly thirty kilometers an hour.*
  • Ghosts of Onyx, prologue

Again, it’s not stated to be their maximum speed, or even an exertion. It is stated to be a sprint, but nothing is said about it being their maximum achievable speed.

On the next page, we have this:

Tom forced himself to run faster, ahead of Lucy, Adam, and Min, darting from side to side. They understood and mimicked his evasive tactic.

So here he’s running even faster, but also zig-zagging, which would slow you down (and even if it didn’t it would cut into your overall time).

abstract wren
#

Yes ,it depends of the context.

dusk jetty
# silver canopy So Spartans 3 are weaker than Spartans 2. That was stated by many sources I foun...

The way I see it, II’s augmentations we’re going extremely invasive, so anyone that survived them and uses mjolnir is going to be exceptionally strong even for Spartans. That’s not to say that III’s and IV’s are weak, no not by any measure. In fact they’re pretty much at least on par with them in at least the strength category. Speed is difficult to measure because even Chief sprinted, he only topped about what, 50-40km/h? And he sprained his ankle doing that too, so even a Spartan that pushes themselves couldn’t go faster then a lot of cars

#

It’s funny knowing I could outrun a spartan in my Outback

#

Again, a lot of different examples of a Spartans top speed have been given, so they make it hard to pin down

empty bloom
stoic hamlet
#

He did.

stoic hamlet
patent aspen
pallid knoll
patent aspen
#

Probably halo media

#

maybe that’s crazy talk idk

pallid knoll
#

any specific media?

patent aspen
#

Here, I would suggest you read Halo: Ghosts of Onyx.

#

This interaction made me sad.

empty bloom
patent aspen
empty bloom
#

Well, allegedly, HiddenX uses Halopedia as a resource.

#

Which...

#

Keep in mind, I don't like HiddenX.

patent aspen
#

Halopedia is a better source than Halo lore channels at least

empty bloom
#

I'm also not saying he's right, I'm just saying, Allegedly he uses Halopedia, even if, after seeing his videos, I don't believe it.

safe hawk
empty bloom
safe hawk
gilded mason
#

True fans only trust information revealed to them in dreams and hallucinations.

empty bloom
#

The best source of Halo lore is a conversation with Trenchbird when he is two tallboys or more deep.

safe hawk
#

I am a fan of kammyshep. His channel intrigues me

empty bloom
#

I actually did just buy an acoustic cage for my mic.

#

I should probs start actually using it for wht I bought it for.

stoic hamlet
patent aspen
empty bloom
#

13 years ago

#

I was a wee babby Trenchbird back then

safe hawk
#

I don’t trust anyone halo knowledge if their favorite halo game is 3

empty bloom
#

A Trenchchick you could say

stoic hamlet
empty bloom
#

No, that would be even earlier.

#

A part of me wants to ask for a collab with Eternal because his armor dives are great, but the other half is unsure about partnering with other people for content purposes if I'm just starting out on lore dives. Especially considering I want to go deep as possible.

#

Eternal meaning Eternal Canadian.

#

:>

stoic hamlet
safe hawk
#

And Canadians are W’s

stoic hamlet
#

:3

empty bloom
#

Michigan's pretty close to Canada.

safe hawk
#

It’s also close to Detroit

#

Detroit basically an industrial Florida

empty bloom
# stoic hamlet :3

But yeh, I was considering asking if you'd want to collab and work on writing deeper voice dives slightly rewritten from an in-universe perspective on MJOLNIR plating. I've had a few ideas in mind, the sticking one being the only Spartan OC I ever wrote fulfilling a pre-Created directive as he crashed ONI stations to prevent them from falling into enemy hands.

#

As you've kind of been doing stuff that I've been keeping locked away in the endless menagerie of folders on my desktop.

last anchor
#

I'm interested already

#

I need me some Oculus Imperia style Halo material

empty bloom
last anchor
#

40k YouTuber who does his videos fully in universe

#

So he's not just a YouTuber reading stuff from the wiki, his character is a scribe of the Imperium of Man working for the Administratum

#

(Ref for anyone here who's a 40k fan cause his stuff is REAL good)

empty bloom
#

gotcha.

last anchor
#

I'd love to see a lore video done by a Created AI "teaching" an Executor

#

Or a UNSC militia training video

#

Something in universe

empty bloom
#

The idea I had in mind was a Spartan who fulfilled a similar role as Tanaka. A former combat engineer type.

last anchor
#

Someone who knows their stuffn

empty bloom
#

In his case, tasked with safekeeping MJOLNIR variant records and describing them as a go-between for Spartans and their technicians.

#

While also turning all field examples found to boiling metal.

last anchor
#

Nice

empty bloom
#

Kind of like that one SM OC who keeps showing up in Youtube shorts

#

The one wearing purple and tan with a skull logo

soft pasture
#

How fast are elites in halo? like how fast they can run in mph or km/h

gilded mason
#

Seems to be the same range as Spartans, maybe faster?

empty bloom
#

IIRC they were fast enough to make jumps Kodiak actually needed to use his thrusters for.

gilded mason
#

Yeh

unique rune
#

what would happen if one of them stepped on me

asking for
science

gilded mason
#

just asking for a laugh haha

empty bloom
soft pasture
#

Bones break

soft pasture
#

(if u are not a spartan ofc)

empty bloom
#

Then again, that was a jump, not an outright sprint.

#

Though, digitigrade structure is better for speed, but not endurance.

#

It's a bit iffy.

gilded mason
empty bloom
#

I wonder if Kodiak was more of a 'slow' heavy armor Spartan

stoic hamlet
empty bloom
#

I have no idea what variant he is wearing.

#

Mark VI MOD shoulders, Ricochet(?)/recruit wrists, something near AA helmet, something near Outer-Plated legs

gilded mason
#

N’tho moved back from the gap, just as Kodiak and Holt had, and started to run. His muscular saurian legs pumped with a fierceness that they had yet to see, accelerating at an astonishing rate.

Even Kodiak had to admit that the Elite’s speed would easily carry him across.

gilded mason
empty bloom
#

I think it's kind of a case of rocket tag when it comes to Spartans v Elites in many respects.

gilded mason
#

Rocket tag?

empty bloom
#

Whoever hits soft first, wins.

gilded mason
#

Ah

empty bloom
#

Soft being regular bones and meat.

#

For the unintiated.

stoic hamlet
empty bloom
drifting kestrel
#

Anybody specialize in ONI ranks?

stoic hamlet
patent aspen
#

They're technically Navy yeah

stoic hamlet
#

Except for liaison officers. Who keep the ranks of their parent branch.

drifting kestrel
#

I understand the US Navy ranks

#

I just don't know if they do it the same way in ONI

stoic hamlet
#

That’s not really how it works, not even IRL, really, either.

drifting kestrel
empty bloom
drifting kestrel
empty bloom
#

It's more determined as a hybrid of what level of secrecy you are upheld to mixed with rank responsibilities.

stoic hamlet
#

In ONI’s case, it depends on your section, then your department, and then your sub-division, and then what your level of clearance is.

stoic hamlet
drifting kestrel
#

I see

empty bloom
#

Local man nerfed by automod

drifting kestrel
#

Thats crazy

#

I just wanted to see if they had some special "crap" that I needed to know. Thanks guys

stoic hamlet
#

Np, happy to help!

empty bloom
#

I am exceedingly angry to help

patent aspen
#

I didn’t help at all.

orchid kettle
#

Ya'll ever notice how it's never really been explained what Mendez was

#

considering he's Navy enlisted with a million combat medals

#

Like, I have no idea if he was ORION, an ONI agent, an ODST corpsman, or part of some other NAVSPECWAR group that's never been mentioned before

empty bloom
patent aspen
#

I believe he was brought on due to his expertise as an instructor

empty bloom
patent aspen
#

I mean he had tons of NAVSPECWAR experience but that wasn’t necessarily why he was brought in.

empty bloom
#

He was, by a scant 3 years, the best "Hand to Hand and Phystraining Instructor"

#

Which... Being known that highly would, really, be a good way to not get the job of chief instructor for a clandestine training program involving literal child soldiers, but whatever.

#

That's a chief role in a military in the millions, that's a bit of a footprint.

patent aspen
#

And he gets away with it twice lmao

empty bloom
#

Mendez is honestly just a really weird character. The man spent over two decades of his life training child soldiers and only felt really bad about it when some ONI-aligned ODSTs started to hate him for it.

#

Which, people diss Mal and Vaz, but they're 100% correct in their assessment in how much they should hate Halsey and co.

patent aspen
#

Oh, Kilo-Five having Mendez have a problem with Halsey was a lil too much

empty bloom
#

Something about stepping out of the sewer.

#

It was awfully convenient for him to grow a conscience when he wasn't the one under arrest.

patent aspen
#

That stupid epilogue

empty bloom
#

Actually, I get hating Halsey more than Parangosky.

#

Halsey was more central to the program.

#

Parangosky was an extra degree removed from all decisions.

patent aspen
#

She approved it all.

#

Halsey is just a civilian scientist

empty bloom
# patent aspen Halsey is just a civilian scientist

Halsey is 'just' an avowed ONI-aligned scientist who signed off on the lives of over 100 children getting augmented and scarred by her experiments because she was mentally capable of choking down how awful she was as a person. Nobody sane should have sympathy for Halsey or Parangosky.

gilded mason
patent aspen
patent aspen
empty bloom
patent aspen
#

Yeah like the Sparta thing

empty bloom
#

The point is that she signed off on the list in the first place. The amount she got was largely irrelevant because she went through with it regardless.

gilded mason
#

I think the initial proposal was 300, they decided 150 instead, and then the budget got cut to 75

patent aspen
#

But I know that 343i sometimes goes a-retconnin’

empty bloom
#

Regardless, Parangosky and Halsey went off what they knew, but Halsey's regret of the past is no more an absolution than Parangosky's acceptance.

patent aspen
#

Sure

#

Parangosky has no moral highground at all from my vantage

empty bloom
#

But it's also largely irrelevant giving the context.

#

It's like expecting the CIA to care or punish the agents responsible for drugging people in the 70s and 80s for experimental reasons, it ain't gonna happen.

#

It's why the concept of ONI blaming Halsey for the Spartan program was always hilarious. It doesn't matter how guilty or innocent Halsey is, she is the designated scapegoat, and ONI can sculpt the narrative as they wish.

patent aspen
empty bloom
#

I mean, that doesn't mean I think Halsey is innocent because she felt bad or was complicit.

#

She's absolutely guilty all the same.

patent aspen
#

Dude I’m not saying she isn’t

empty bloom
#

Jussayin.

#

I've always been midly irritated by the two wrongs make a right philosophy when it comes to Halsey and ONI.

#

But she's kind of the ur-example of a "Just following orders" approach.

patent aspen
#

Parangosky, who does the Spartan-II program + a bunch of other evil crap is not morally superior to the woman who did the Spartan-II program

#

It was such a bizarre moral stance Kilo-Five took there

empty bloom
#

It is a bit of a gray area.

#

Parangosky had a lot of fingers in a lot of pies during her tenure.

patent aspen
#

It’s a darker gray lol

empty bloom
#

She has a wider stance to support her gray morality.

#

Halsey was very in the black for even working on the Spartans in the first place as she envisioned them.

#

Tragically, the subject of the IIs is nuanced, so it can be... Difficult.

patent aspen
empty bloom
#

The IIs, largely, don't seem to mind what became of them, but is that a coping mechanism, or the truth?

#

Eh, I think it can be whittled to a philisophical nub.

#

But make no mistake, they're both deep in the dark gray until Halsey displayed the traits that led to the Created uprising at Requiem.

patent aspen
#

I thought it was thrown into the sun

empty bloom
#

In other words, performing subterfuge that led to the Infinity getting boarded and nearly destroyed, thereby justifying all precautions taken against her, under the mistaken notion that she simply 'knew better' and that the Infinity's crew's lives were inherently worth less than her getting a percent closer to humanity's dominance.

#

IE, the continued justification that she used since the II program of the means justifying the dominance related ends.

patent aspen
#

Where do the created factor in

empty bloom
#

The created factor in when Cortana went through a similar equation to justify her own ends when it came to the ascension to the Mantle after her seeming death at the Mantle's Approach.

#

It is not a literal factor, it is a symbolic one. Halsey trusts her own ends over her organizations, likewise for Cortana.

patent aspen
#

Right.

empty bloom
#

In other words; Parangosky is absolutely an awful person, but a realist. Halsey is an awful person, but a narcissist with a gold end intent. The reader's jury is out for which is worse considering end damage.

#

Both ultimately failed at their end goals in current canon, mind.

orchid kettle
#

I still find it funny how Halsey was apparently able to slip the clones by Parangosky at all

#

"Hey wait a second, why do the kids we kidnap keep getting reported as 'Deceased' instead of 'Missing'?"

empty bloom
#

People's reaction to a modern amber alert is annoyance. It's that awful.

#

I do not mean literally 'funny', mind. I am not laughing.

#

I saw that, Braveexpress.

orchid kettle
#

and if anything Halsey has too much of a conscious, being warned by Deja that if she keeps delaying the inevitable, she will be replaced by somebody who doesn't harbor the same protective feelings towards the children

empty bloom
#

I'm still glad the UNSC's major leadership beyond Parangosky is just ineffective, not made of monsters.

orchid kettle
#

I think its pretty lame to backtrack and suggest that its just the evil ONI bois infecting everything

empty bloom
#

I never got that out of it.

#

More just that ONI is the chief source of the problem.

orchid kettle
#

I mean, I think there is a direct quote from Black Box where he thinks about how HIGHCOM believes they're in charge, when in reality its ONI

#

"You'll note I didn't mention HIGHCOM, and that's because all ONI sections lie to HIGHCOM and tell it that it's the most powerful body on Earth, which generally works well at keeping the old buffers convinced that they make the decisions."

stoic hamlet
#

Tbf, BB is biased.

#

But yeah the whole “actually ONI bad” is dumb and contrived and I massively dislike it.

orchid kettle
# stoic hamlet Tbf, BB is biased.

to be also fair-- Halo has weirdly been obsessed with the idea that humans are not in control of their own destiny ever since the idea of the Assembly in Halo Reach

#

be it because ONI puppets the UNSC behind the sscenes, or because of the Librarian's geas

#

heck, it may even go back as far as the original Halo 2 cut ending, that suggested that the Ark on Earth guided human evolution

gilded mason
#

I'm so sorry, BraveExpress. 😔

tropic forge
#

Message deleted for swears....pffffffftttttt

stoic hamlet
#

Yeah, but the Geas thing is just, really icky if you actually think about it, and implied some awful stuff no matter how you slice it.

And the ONI bring the puppet masters and actual monsters idea just doesn’t track with like… anything logical.

stoic hamlet
orchid kettle
gilded mason
orchid kettle
#

but not nearly as fun because there's not a russian cowboy who meows like a cat

tropic forge
#

Is malarkey blocked? Let's find out.

tropic forge
tropic forge
#

ONI being unscrupulous is some of the most interesting stuff.

orchid kettle
#

I also personally wonder if the decision to place all of humanity's evil at ONI's feet is because Halo (and apparently other video games) has been enjoying sponsorships by the actual US military

#

so you cant criticize the UNSC too much, because its essentially Space USA

#

but you CAN make ONI the evil bad ones that are merely infecting Space America

empty bloom
patent aspen
patent aspen
gilded mason
orchid kettle
#

I think the actual US Marine Corps sponsorships for HCS events is also partly why the depiction of Spartan-IVs in Halo 4 and 5 kinda concerned me

#

I guess Halo was always going to make the military look cool, but it seems especially sus when the Spartans get to live in a big super ship and play laser tag all day

#

and there's apparently no "dark side" to being a IV

#

aside from the occasional traitor I guess

patent aspen
stoic hamlet
# tropic forge I see a lot of people advocate for ONI as the villain which is anathema to me.

I always liked the idea of ONI being antagonistic but with genuinely good intentions.

Like, it’s interesting actually because our first real glimpse at ONI comes from Ghosts of Onyx, with the meeting to green light the III’s, and the actual characters there aren’t really.. they seem a lot more compelling as very grey, morally awful people who do actually care.

You have Ackerson, who stated in the first ~3 paragraphs vis internal monologue that he hated being there and wanted to go back to just being a soldier again.

You have Gibson, who seems similar to Ackerson but with more experience under his belt, and seems more angry at how pet projects are getting greenlit and snubbing his combat troops.

You have Rich, a Rear Admiral who openly drinks and flaunts chain of command, and who definitely seems to have his own sort of demons, or he’s just so jaded he doesn’t care anymore.

And then Paragosky, who seems both incredibly ruthless but also clearly aware of how many skeletons she has.

And they’re all joined together by this desperate need to save the species by damning their souls, condemning hundreds to save billions, and they add it to the pile of all the other sins they’ve committed, because at the end of the day it has to work, because of it doesn’t then humanity dies.

There’s no “HFY”, no “we’re superior” undertones, no moralizing, no monologues or anything, it’s just a group of tired, jaded, cynical people in a room that doesn’t exist on a ship that was never built having a meeting that never happened.

And it’s so much more compelling than “ONI BAD BECUZ!”

patent aspen
empty bloom
#

And isn't a tuber.

patent aspen
orchid kettle
#

Yeah, I always liked to think of ONI as the UNSC's shadowy arm

stoic hamlet
#

ONI are at their best when they’re Captain Maxwell from Star Trek TNG, or Sisko from Deep Space Nine.

They do some awful stuff, and you know they’re in the wrong, and maybe even need to be held accountable, but you also understand why they do it, and can sympathize or at least pity them.

orchid kettle
#

But still an arm

#

And the characters just kinda have to deal with the fact that the system and institutions they serve aren't all pure hearted good guys

stoic hamlet
orchid kettle
#

I still hold to this day that humanity was never really at stake during the Insurrection-- the UNSC/UEG just would rather kidnap a bunch of kids and turn them into supersoldiers to squash the rebellion rather than lose all those worlds and their tasty resources

patent aspen
#

She’s just a narcissist now. She had no greater purpose behind her actions and is therefore worse than Parangosky.

#

Canon is in a great place. That’s what Halo loretubers say so it has to be true.

#

Wow I’m just going off

gilded mason
# patent aspen She’s just a narcissist now. She had no greater purpose behind her actions and i...

It pained Halsey to see Reach so barren and lifeless. [..] But her disquiet ran deeper than that, perhaps because the desolation reflected her own misgivings about some of the work she had done there.

Not all of it, but enough that she had to practice lucid dreaming if she hoped to get any sleep at all. It had been on Reach that Halsey had conscripted seventy-five six-year-old children into her clandestine SPARTAN-II program. She and her staff had molded them into the finest warriors humanity had ever produced, bioengineered super-soldiers who could be deployed in small numbers to leverage the outcomes of major battles and put down the Insurrection that had threatened to tear apart humanity’s nascent interstellar civilization. But the cost had been terrible. Thirty recruits had perished during the physical augmentation procedures that she herself had designed and performed. Another dozen had been crippled. She had been able to rehabilitate a number of them, but not all. The loss still weighed heavily on her.

That had been forty years ago, when Halsey had been one of the youngest and most trusted scientists working for the Office of Naval Intelligence. At the time, she had told herself she was sacrificing the few to save the many—and, of course, her superiors had agreed. But even then, such platitudes had done little to soothe a conscience burdened by the knowledge of what she had stolen from those children.
Shadows of Reach still shows her to be pained by what she did to the children, and her having the idea that doing so would save humanity.

patent aspen
#

But people seem to have forgotten that she thought the alternative was so much worse.

gilded mason
#

Ah

patent aspen
#

And if Halsey thinks something is true, I really think we’re expected to follow suit.

#

She’s supposed to be one of the smartest people in human history.

#

I mean all of this is totally silly. But, in universe, “kidnapping children and turning them into weird cyborg killing machines” was supposed to be like the only solution for some reason.

#

A narrative conceit I guess.

orchid kettle
#

But like-- surely the Innies aren't gonna Innie anymore if you just let them secede from the UEG

#

even if the issue then becomes rival human factions competing over respurces

#

the threat could only ever be that the UEG would lose

#

Because mutually ensured destruction only works because the countries launching nukes at each other live on the same planet, and can react to one missile launch with another

#

Meanwhile, if your planet gets NOVA bomb'd, there's no time to NOVA your enemy right back

#

Humanity simply cannot be so easily extinguished by itself if we live on hundreds of worlds

#

The Covenant, with their more advanced technology, tried to kill all of humanity over the course of 30 years and failed to find every last world and settlement

#

It's just not plausible that humanity could do what the Covenant couldn't inadvertently

#

But like you said-- its just a story conceit. The Carver Findings are essentially the sci-fi equivalent of a prophecy that pushes the plot forward, because without its existence, the characters don't have motivation to act the way they do.

#

For what it's worth though, I think Nylund on some level understood this

#

considering he never really has the Innies do anything heinous in his work, and his last story contribution, the Impossible Life and Possible Death Of Preston J Cole, ended with the main character running off with his Innie girlfriend on some secluded world where they'd never be found again

dusk jetty
#

And I agree with Margret. ||The clones were completely unnecessary and were there for Halsey’s own conscious.||

safe hawk
#

This is why Halsey should’ve been introduced in the OT

orchid kettle
#

To be fair, I feel like Halsey, out of all the extended universe characters, has a decently smooth transition into the games

#

You meet her in Reach, you get that she's a genius but also super haughty

#

and then the intro of the next game further clarifies what her past actions were

#

(Though I do take issue with Halsey trying to defend and justify herself, as First Strike showed that she stopped believing in the "lives spent" idea)

stray acorn
#

My messages keep getting deleted

#

Why did the marines in the desert level of halo 3 not think the forward unto dawn could handle atmospheric flight? It clearly has the ability to deliver cargo (in the case of the level, some m808s) to planetary surfaces, hence the cargo elevator, so why did the marines who were assigned to the vessel question it's ability to hover there and drop off the tanks for chief?

orchid kettle
stray acorn
#

No, it's because it was a copy pasted message?

orchid kettle
#

its a gun with engines on the butt

#

how is it hovering above ground

stray acorn
#

My thought is it's using its maneuvering thrusters

orchid kettle
#

Even then, that's a lot of weight for the thrusters alone to be counteracting

stray acorn
#

The thrusters would be pretty high thrust, especially if it's designed to outmaneuver other craft in battle

unique rune
#

I just think it’s a weird line to have when uh. Just a couple missions before, uhhh. You very clearly see the Dawn and another ship of its class operating just fine in-atmosphere.

Like.
???
https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/6/6c/Storm1.jpg

patent aspen
#

There’s a lot of weirdness happening in that level

orchid kettle
stray acorn
#

Fair point, it probably is just an offhand line, it just got my gears turning, so I asked here

#

Found this on Google, UNSC ships use antigravity manipulation technology in order to hover and float. This is the same technology that lets them generate artificial gravity fields inside starships, but working in reverse. UNSC ships use antigravity manipulation technology in order to hover and float.

patent aspen
stray acorn
#

Lol

patent aspen
#

Except in the middle of a battlefield

stray acorn
#

I never realized how fast ships in the games are until I played that level

unique rune
#

To be fair, it’s not really helpful if she puts it down on the opposite side of the Ark where nothing important is happening

orchid kettle
stray acorn
#

And close enough for those m808s to be useful

patent aspen
#

And our getting tanks is just a bonus

#

Not that it makes any sense

stray acorn
#

Right, they have magic FTL drives, but only like 2 weapons that track.

orchid kettle
#

At least they go out of their way to mention how crude and inefficient human slipspace drives are to Covenant

patent aspen
#

FYI the In Amber Clad was floating around in Halo 2, too.

stray acorn
#

Also true

orchid kettle
#

but i guess humanity just has anti-grav more or less on par with the gravity, and nobody cares

#

you'd think there'd be no reason to be impressed by a grav lift when you can keep half a million tonnes suspended in mid air on anti-grav alone

stray acorn
#

And the weight has to be dispersed evenly, or your basically sitting on a giant invisible pressure washer,

orchid kettle
#

and I guess that's more or less the limit, since they thought it was important to give the Autumn disposable boosters in Reach

stray acorn
#

How did they get the Infinity airborne without those Boosters in 4?

scarlet quiver
#

I am confused why we have all this advanced tech, but still use rubber wheels and tank treads.
Clearly, the levitation vehicles are more efficient over terrain.

stray acorn
#

And standing under a ship hovering should be fatal, as we can clearly see that antigrav is putting all that weight on anything on the ground, which is why we get damaged when the dawn pulls up

#

They could also be too costly to scale so far down, like with the MACs

stray acorn
scarlet quiver
#

🤔
Oh yea, makes complete sense.
Especially now, given the current state of humanity.

stray acorn
#

Especially if you consider they were badly losing a war, they were probably just trying to pump out as much as they could of what they know works, rather than spending a ton of money testing new tech that is only partly proven for warships at the moment.

stoic hamlet
scarlet quiver
empty bloom
orchid kettle
orchid kettle
#

so I assume a lot of stuff carried over even when they became a space empire

stoic hamlet
raw iron
#

Did spartan Vale have a relationship with an elite at one time or am I tripping?

patent aspen
#

Or reading erotic fanfic

#

Or reading between the lines because that definitely happened but it’s never been confirmed.

empty bloom
vapid quail
#

Whoa, FR?

empty bloom
#

Yes, he recorded poetry affirming his desire for her.

#

From what we know about Palmer's attitude regarding Sangheili (She is on the Xenophobic side of the spectrum as far as UNSC personel go), it likely did not have a snowball's chance in hell of being reciprocated.

#

To Vale's credit, as far as is known, she mostly finds the Sangheili fascinating, not dateable.

#

But then, anyone with an interest in history would. Most of the ruins you fight through in Halo 5 on Sanghelios were considered beyond ancient history for the Sangheili when humanity was still building the great pyramids, and the Sangheili culture even under the yoke of the Prophets was rich and fascinating.

last anchor
#

Spartans think and learn faster than a normal human, and Vale was far more perceptive and neuropliant before that, as shown by her learning Sangheili in six months through nothing but captured COM traffic.

patent aspen
empty bloom
patent aspen
empty bloom
#

A slipspace flake wasn't as stupid.

#

It was time dilation, not time reversal or future knowledge.

#

The second the plot of Halo turns to going back or forward in time to cause dumb garbage to happen, I'm ragequitting this franchise.

meager pier
patent aspen
patent aspen
empty bloom
patent aspen
meager pier
#

Remember when it seemed they were gonna use time travel as the basis or some element with the cancelled MMO Titan? Lol

patent aspen
#

Probably what First Strike’s crystal was setting up

#

I think

meager pier
#

@patent aspen I wonder how they would’ve explained the time travel in that oof
If they would’ve gone with the Back to the Future route, it’s all a loop, or creating a new timeline route

patent aspen
#

We know the end of that story lol

meager pier
carmine sleet
#

It’s not like they couldn’t renovate or modify the temples after they finished building them

patent aspen
#

I wonder how Vale knew they were pre-Covenant.

carmine sleet
#

She’s studied the culture of the Elites, that’s no doubt included history lessons as well

patent aspen
#

My understanding of their history must need work

#

I assumed the Covenant wasn’t around before the Covenant was around

empty bloom
patent aspen
#

We’re talking about the Titan MMO

empty bloom
#

Okay, good.

patent aspen
#

That does sound crackpot

empty bloom
#

I've seen that rumor floating around and I am as unhappy with it as I was with that stupid logic plague'd cortana theory.

patent aspen
empty bloom
#

And it didn't confirm it.

#

The Prophet involved just said 'well, I guess?'

patent aspen
empty bloom
#

I'm going to call it a stupid theory that would've been a stupid plot if it was hard confirmed.

patent aspen
#

Like I’m not fond of it either

carmine sleet
patent aspen
carmine sleet
#

Like, this just feels like you’re trying to make it seem like time travel was hinted at in places it wasn’t

patent aspen
#

No that wasn’t what they were going for

#

It was 343i screwing up

carmine sleet
#

You’re the one suggesting the Covenant travelled back in time to record their formation in ruins on Sanghelios, not 343i

patent aspen
#

Yes. It was supposed to be joke.

carmine sleet
#

Your joke didn’t work

patent aspen
#

Because, in reality, 343i just put murals of the Covenant’s formation in these ruins and then added dialogue that said otherwise.

patent aspen
carmine sleet
#

Something being ancient doesn’t prevent someone coming along and adding something new

patent aspen
carmine sleet
#

What?

#

I’m using what is the most logical solution

patent aspen
#

No the most logical solution is time travel dont @ me

#

slipspace flaked real good

#

Endless in Halo 5 confirmed.

carmine sleet
#

That is not the logical solution in this situation at all

#

And the Endless are not confirmed as time travellers

patent aspen
#

True.

#

lol

#

Sorry I was gonna keep this argument going

#

But I think I’m experiencing character growth.

#

Those murals were obviously not supposed to be foreshadowing time travel.

meager pier
#

Man, speaking of which, I hope we get more about the Endless in the next few years

patent aspen
meager pier
patent aspen
#

Damn it I was hoping you’d respond “what does the Nothing have to do with the Endless?”

#

And I’d say “that’s exactly what we know about the Endless.”

#

🥁 pshh!

patent aspen
meager pier
last anchor
patent aspen
last anchor
#

And then after he was died they used the fact he fought back to make the title into one of dishonor and death.
It wouldnt be out of the realm of possibility for them to go "we better make sure they dont ever forget what happened during the War of Beginnings, get chissling on those ancient ruins"

patent aspen
last anchor
#

The San'Shyuum have always been manipulative and deceitful when it comes to other species. Its just how they roll.

patent aspen
#

that’s racist

last anchor
#

To be fair, sentience works like that so
A non-manipulative species does not find itself standing alone and independant for long I would think.

#

Anyway. There's almost always a logical and simple explanation for oddities in game.

#

Some can be more stretched than others but most are fairly workable, without having to go into stuff like time travel

patent aspen
#

I was not meaning to genuinely suggest time travel, there.

empty bloom
patent aspen
empty bloom
#

I'm aware.

patent aspen
#

However, many of their walls are adorned with carvings that depict the formation of the Covenant.

empty bloom
#

I'm not actually aware of there being any specified heiroglyphics or texts regarding the depiction of the formation of the Covenant.

patent aspen
#

They are visual depictions of the Sangheili and the Prophets.

last anchor
#

TBH I always figured those were in reference to the War of Beginnings.

empty bloom
#

Well, technically, the Sangheili and the Prophets were at war for nearly 5 decades.

last anchor
#

Which was, technically, pre-Covenant since it lead to its founding.

#

Yeah exactly

empty bloom
#

Which Halopedia's page regarding the War of Beginnings specifically mentions and shows the murals depicting.

#

Such as this one.

#

And this one.

1600px-Ruins_Mural_9.png
#

And finally this one.

Ruins_Mural_4.png
#

They're pre Covenant in the most literal sense, as in, it is directly dated to around when the WoB ended.

patent aspen
#

It’s depicting the war and the alliance.

empty bloom
#

🤷‍♂️

#

Still no time travel though.

patent aspen
#

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD I WASNT BEING SERIOUS

empty bloom
#

I'm gonna keep treating it like you were.

last anchor
#

This is the Halo lore channel
we're always serious here XD

carmine sleet
#

Indeed

#

We deal in serious lore here, like Unggoy Farmer and how they should make it a real game

empty bloom
#

Unggoy farmer should NOT make it to a real game

#

I should HIT HIM with a BRICK

carmine sleet
#

At least I’m not one of the people who treats the cut Halo 2 ending as more canon than the actual canon

empty bloom
carmine sleet
obsidian thistle
#

😄 That one keeps making the rounds occasionally

#

Halo 5 can be very pretty at times!

#

Those murals are no exception

safe hawk
terse lava
#

Ya know speaking of time travel, I almost wonder if such a thing may have been attempted by the Precursors and early Forerunners, and been met with absolutely nightmarish results. We see in Mythos mention of "prisons of crystalized space-time," where things that neither Precursor nor Forerunner could defeat. Whatever those are, could have been the result of said attempt.

dusty pilot
#

yo

#

imagine

#

if Emile looked like Kanye West as a direct descendant LOL

boreal bane
terse lava
#

......what?

carmine sleet
#

But definitely no "I'm from the far future and I'm here to warn you about the Flood" situations

meager pier
carmine sleet
#

Like I said, I like the idea that the attempt at time travel failed, so then it can be pretty clear that time travel isn't an easy thing to do

meager pier
carmine sleet
#

I remember

#

But like, I'm not saying I want time travel, I'm saying that I want it to be something that nobody has managed to do outside of very specific circumstances

empty bloom
empty bloom
#

@orchid kettle :3

IMG_7990.png
#

Thoughts on accuracy?

versed helm
#

I don't like Dr. Halsey. John was taken from his childhood and forced into war.

#

And a lot of children died from the Bio meds

#

and injections

#

But it all was for a reason I guess

#

Using spartans to crush human rebellion and stop world wars

meager pier
dusty pilot
#

was there ever a discussion/theory about if the Halo 2 Heretics ever had a small cruiser, took guilty spark with them and headed for earth for a alliance with the humans?

do you think they would have worked like the seperatists in Halo 3? Joint Operations? or would they have all been killed? at least a few hundred heretic members were in that mission i swear...

how would they integrate (if at all) with the rest of the Seperatists in Halo 3? would the covenant still try find the index on Delta Halo and would it be the same? sending the Arbiter in? betrayal?

carmine sleet
#

If they had decided to ally with humanity, they’d likely search for survivors at Alpha Halo before anything else

#

Though whether they’d be able to get to Earth is a whole other issue, as outside of not having a cruiser or any other slipspace capable craft, they had no idea where Earth was

#

And the Autumn can’t exactly have its NAV data salvaged

#

I do have to wonder what Sesa’s plan would’ve been had he managed to escape in the Seraph fighter, since outside of an outpost on the moon of Threshold, he couldn’t exactly escape anywhere

empty bloom
safe hawk
empty bloom
#

Important addition

safe hawk
#

How can I forget

patent aspen
#

Which is like the lamest type of “time travel” ever but it might count

meager pier
patent aspen
#

I thought Sarcophagus was “time dilation” because time flowed differently there.

#

But the other two aren’t really expanding/contracting time

#

They instantly jumped like three days in the future. That doesn’t sound like dilation.

#

Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you mean.

meager pier
#

@patent aspen I think the Auditorium may have had a type of dilation around it, and when exiting, they returned to the same time flow as the rest of the ring

patent aspen
safe hawk
#

@empty bloom was blue team using jet packs in ghost of onyx?

#

I’m trying to recall

#

I remember reading about it

empty bloom
#

I don't have it or I'd tell you

#

I think they used something called a T-Pack

safe hawk
#

Were spartan 2 capable of orbital drops without pods

empty bloom
patent aspen
empty bloom
#

I do not count Halo 2 (He got stopped before he started burning up) and I do not count Halo 3 (He fell from too close to the Earth for it to be considered orbital).

#

Halo 4 I count, which is the goo-avoider.

tribal trench
#

wait when did he fall in 4

patent aspen
tribal trench
#

i am neglecting to remember

empty bloom
tribal trench
#

oh yeah

#

…wait how did he survive that

patent aspen
#

He had a piece of debris or something

tribal trench
#

requiem is huge, the gravitational pull would have to be at least twice earth’s, if not way more

empty bloom
#

No, that was 3.

safe hawk
#

Would you consider the drop the s4s did in 5 a drop from orbit

empty bloom
#

No.

#

It was visibly high atmo.

#

Actually, it looked about the level a HALO jump usually takes place at.

patent aspen
empty bloom
tribal trench
#

yeah

#

had to have

empty bloom
#

After all, if Infinity fell to orbit 'properly', Chief would've been backing up a 100km debris field.

tribal trench
#

even infinity would have had to have reverse thrust jets and such

empty bloom
#

It pointedly had zero power, last I checked

#

It was nearly entirely manipulated

tribal trench
#

they were able to send out communiquĂŠs

empty bloom
#

Hmmmn. Maybe it was just anti-movement.

tribal trench
#

secondary (or tertiary) emergency reactor?

empty bloom
#

You know what was likely nightmare inducing?

tribal trench
#

something to dampen the inertia of a fall from high orbit, at least

empty bloom
#

Cleaning up the personnel filled hangers that had a Mammoth rolling around in them.

#

Gooey.

tribal trench
#

if I had to guess, everyone - and the mammoths - was probably locked down

empty bloom
#

The trailers showed Mammoths breaking free of their moorings.

tribal trench
#

i don’t think i’ve ever actually watched the trailers ngl

#

that’s on me i guess

empty bloom
#

All good

#

Trailers are dubious canonity at best anyways

#

So it could also have not happened at all

#

If it was convenient

tribal trench
#

true… like that time chief ambushed a bunch of prometheans that were… walking somewhere? for some reason?

#

or the entire hunt the truth campaign

empty bloom
#

Whew, sorry, what was that? I think I just got possessed by the spirit of r/Halo.

carmine sleet
#

I’ll perform the exorcism to get the spirt out of you

safe hawk
#

Was the OT halo games written like war films

tribal trench
#

n-no…?

safe hawk
#

A guy on twitter is making the argument that they were

empty bloom
#

Oh, see, there's the problem.

#

Halo fan, on Twitter? They'd rather gnaw their arms off in insensate rage than have fun.

safe hawk
#

I’ll send you argument in the DMS. It’s pretty hilarious

empty bloom
#

... What the hell am I reading?

#

It's not even the Halo game designed to read like a damn war movie

#

That's Reach

tribal trench
#

it was written like a military sci-fi video game

safe hawk
#

I don’t know who takes the crown for horrible halo 5 arguments; people on twitter or people on discord

#

Reach was the closest to a “war-like” halo game than the others

carmine sleet
#

I assume this is under that one post of the intro to Halo 5 because some people deem it as “Not Halo”

tribal trench
#

i heard that the intro to halo 5 was hand animated by one dude over the course of a couple months

#

i can’t remember where but big if true

safe hawk
#

It was the avengers/power rangers

#

Definitely not halo

#

Because all of the avengers have power suits and shoots weapons

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
# safe hawk It was the avengers/power rangers

The power rangers comparison is really funny to me because the closest Power Rangers ever got to looking like Halo was the film from 2017 but you’d still have to squint really hard

tribal trench
carmine sleet
#

Plus I don’t remember Blue Team forming a giant mech

safe hawk
tribal trench
#

destruction in houdini, particles in the rendering soft or after effects

empty bloom
unique rune
#

How could you miss the Megazord that they summoned in the climax of Halo 5 to fight Cortana’s Guardians?

empty bloom
#

Have I mentioned that I hate Halo youtubers?

tribal trench
#

once or twice

empty bloom
unique rune
safe hawk
#

Roland is actually zordon in disguise

carmine sleet
empty bloom
#

Even then

#

Anyone who says they were always too mature to enjoy power rangers is a liar

carmine sleet
safe hawk
#

Halo YouTubers spread misinformation? That’s absurd!

carmine sleet
#

There’s also some who believe in some very questionable things to put it lightly

safe hawk
#

I think halo 5 was heavily influenced by the power puff girls

tribal trench
#

i think regular show did more to influence halo 5

empty bloom
#

Okay but Regular Show is based so

tribal trench
#

Adventure Time >

carmine sleet
#

Nah, we all know that Morbius was the big influence on Halo

tribal trench
#

Morbheads UNITE

empty bloom
#

#morbheadsunite

carmine sleet
#

I did cringe allot when saying that

empty bloom
tribal trench
unique rune
#

the best part of Halo was when he said “IT’S HALOING TIME” and haloed all over those guys

empty bloom
#

God, I feel bad for the guy who played Morbius.

tribal trench
#

i don’t

carmine sleet
#

I don’t

tribal trench
empty bloom
#

... What, did he do uncouth things?

carmine sleet
#

Matt Smith is who I feel bad for in that film

safe hawk
#

More and more I’m questioning whether those people were halo fans because they loved the universe or that they were attached to the popular game at the time

tribal trench
empty bloom
#

I was talking about how the guy was the central star of a movie so bad it bombed twice.

tribal trench
#

you can go ahead and google all the stuff he did

empty bloom
#

That's gotta sting.

empty bloom
tribal trench
#

i dareth not repeat what he did here

carmine sleet
empty bloom
#

I recant my feeling bad

unique rune
carmine sleet
#

I know some definitely think that Halo 3’s story is way deeper than it actually is

#

To the point that they refuse to acknowledge the flaws in that game’s story

empty bloom
#

It's very tiring.

safe hawk
unique rune
#

Like for most people who get all the sort of feel good fuzzy memories about 3 or Reach I’d bet that it’s mainly like, associating feelings that are more a result of things that happened to coincide with the game than the game’s qualities all on its own

safe hawk
#

CHEEF is halo and halo is CHEEF

carmine sleet
#

Like, don’t get me wrong, I enjoy Halo 3’s campaign, just not for the story

carmine sleet
#

Like, give me one more game focused on him to finish his story

safe hawk
carmine sleet
#

Then focus on someone else

unique rune
#

3’s campaign is… well, I very much dislike it, but to someone who has fond memories of staying up late playing co-op with friends, yeah, obviously they’re going to view it differently

safe hawk
#

They put the factory reset on Cortana

#

He’s going to be around for a hot minute

#

Never forget the flood suddenly learning the English language

unique rune
#

It’s not necessarily a position I’d agree with but I’m also not here to get into the weeds about what it means to be a “true fan” because that’s a stupid can of worms all on its own

carmine sleet
safe hawk
#

Wort wort wort was outta here

carmine sleet
#

Yes

#

Because it was done to ensure the player knew what was being said when we were playing as Arbiter during his side of Halo 2

#

Plus like, it doesn’t ruin my sense of immersion that suddenly the Covenant speak English

orchid kettle
#

I mean if you wanna get that pedantic, you could argue the humans in Halo shouldn't be speaking English either

#

or at least, an English we barely recognize after 500 years

patent aspen
#

Also, it’s hollow.

#

I’m pretty sure we can guess it has artificial gravity.

shell rivet
patent aspen
safe hawk
last anchor
last anchor
patent aspen
pallid knoll
stoic hamlet
safe hawk
stoic hamlet
stoic hamlet