#lore-and-universe

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empty bloom
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Didn't stutter, my G, it's a weird plan.

frosty bear
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What is the timeline for halo 5?

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Cause I want to know how much time takes place between Halo 4’s ending and Halo Infinite’s beginning

empty bloom
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As the timeline for Halo 5 is largely as the game presents it.

frosty bear
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I’ve never been able to play it

empty bloom
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Well, answered Column A.

frosty bear
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Also I’m unsure if there’s any timeline jumps between 4 and 5 or 5 and infinite from cryosleep or whatever

empty bloom
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It largely happens in the events of the campaign missions. Might as well check up via halopedia if you want a proper in depth timeline.

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4 to 5 is a year time jump.

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5 to Infinite is a year time jump.

frosty bear
empty bloom
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Read, move on.

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Should have a next bar near the bottom.

frosty bear
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Thanks

rotund creek
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Still trying to figure out what happen with the guardians and the other colonies halo 5 was a big cliffhanger🧐

minor sky
obsidian thistle
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Might have some funkyness due to the template I am working on however

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Gotta work out some BCE logic plus some misc stuff!

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While its getting some pushback. "I" really wanna make proper century and decade pages lol.

frosty bear
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Huh, strange, it didn’t seem right

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Because in 2607 is when the monument from like halo 3 advertising was built

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I’m probably just reading it wrong though

obsidian thistle
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The monument took 3 years after 2607 to be built.

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So circa 2610 is when is finished

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Thankfully we actually have a solid event in 2610!

dusk jetty
# rotund creek Still trying to figure out what happen with the guardians and the other colonies...

From what I know, after Cortana’s destruction, the guardians deactivated. What that exactly means, I’m not sure, but it’s reasonable to assume they went back to what they were before the created uprising, just big forerunner artifacts. Big, very conspicuous artifacts. We also know that some colonies tried to avoid any attention from the created, such as meridian, while others were completely occupied, such as Talista. It’s not an area we know much about, and I hope 343 will expand on it.

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I don’t know if it’s been confirmed to be a guardian, but there is something that very much resembles a guardian on the horizon in halo infinite

humble yacht
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there's also an audio log where you can hear Spartans comment on the appearance of something in the sky followed by what sounds like a Guardian scream

main merlin
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Bros think than FNAF lore is hard

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💀

safe nymph
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Does anyone know what the previous sIV number was, and a rough current estimate?

craggy hamlet
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How did the art style (more specifically the armor style) change so fast between halo 5 and infinite?

unique rune
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Most of the armor in Infinite is the newer GEN3 platform

GEN2 is (presumably) still around and in use, just not in the game

plush compass
unique rune
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Because it's not

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The M6 family is still pretty much the standard service pistol of the UNSC Armed Forces. It even appears on various Marine models in Infinite, just not as a usable weapon.

The Mk50 is just a different pistol in service with the UNSC

orchid kettle
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It's stated to be the standard issued sidearm for special forces

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so I guess all Spartans

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Which i dunno, seems weird to give the oversized super soldiers the "smaller" caliber sidearm

scarlet quiver
unique rune
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Granted I don’t have a copy of the Encyclopedia to check the exact wording

manic root
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What is your opinion on this

last anchor
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Aint lore

obsidian thistle
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Note: We have seen other pistols used by Infinity forces!

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Lasky had one on his hip in that one singular mission. Might be in Spartan Ops and Halo 5... but I havenae checked.

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And human forces on Zeta also have one!

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Both are currently unidentified

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So its likely that options are available. (And in-universe its likely some M6 are on Zeta, just gameplay and so on means we never see or use em)

empty bloom
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I remember pointing out that pistol on Lasky was the same kind as you see on the Marines from Infinite, and nobody believed me.

obsidian thistle
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Its not the same

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Thats why I kept them separate

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Ignoring the holster.

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The grip, magazine, and what I think is the slide are different.

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Thus they be different weapons! 😀

orchid kettle
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I dunno, looks similar enough to me to be the same weapon canonically

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Heck, the Automag in ODST is supposed to be the M6C with a bunch of extra attachments, but you can kinda tell that its a recolored and modified M6G from the base Halo 3

empty bloom
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^

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They're close enough that it's pretty much the difference between M6 line pistols at most.

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Then again, CIA's the most vocal one who didn't believe me when I pointed it out, so.

frosty bear
orchid kettle
last anchor
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All M6 models fire the 12.7mm SAP-HE.

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How in the hell that suppressor puts the earsplitting CRACK of that round down to something barely noticable must be a Misriah Armories trade secret.
Along with their Recoil Control System that lets you fire multiple rounds of 12.7 without making your arm hurt

orchid kettle
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Subsonic ammunition is often paired with suppressors to minimize that crack as much as possible

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although the ammo packs display the same "M225" designation as usual

obsidian thistle
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(That later sentence isnt outta nowhere fyi)

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Huh you cant see it here... I'll do a lil thing and...

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(The source is the article preview that isnt in the text itself)

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But to go back to the unidentified weapons that Lasky and co use.

Nothing says they cant be M6. Nothing says they are M6 either. I prefer the "if we don't have anything, they are unidentified till further notice" logic. (Has worked out more times than not)

frosty bear
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Do cities in modern halo (4+) have superintendents?

orchid kettle
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Assumingly the "mega-cities" do

foggy verge
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If New Mombasa has em, I’d say yeah

spiral jewel
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I thought the Automag's designation was the M6C/SOCOM?

orchid kettle
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It is

sturdy stone
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Post-War, Pre Halo 4, what kind of power plants is humanity using groundside?

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I need to know because I'm planning for a Halo Mythic game this weekend, and my players are going to be having some issues with a Yanme'e Unmutual.

frosty bear
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Ahh, a fellow TTRPG nerd

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I’m only here because I’m running Leovaunts halo system

sturdy stone
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Mythic is more 'fun' for me, as a longtime Dark Heresy fan. Also, the main plot-driving NPC for the party, a T'vaoan Shipmistress (currently working for ONI, of all things) runs at 68 MPH and jumps uhhh.

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Something like 60 meters

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Anyway, I just need to know the sort of power plants humanity would be using, and if that's not feasible for my plans, I'll just have it be a joint operation

unique rune
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Probably a mix of renewables like solar and wind, plus nuclear

sturdy stone
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I believe that the Covenant employ pinch-fusion, right?

frosty bear
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I honestly don’t know anything about mythic, I looked up halo TTRPG and Leovaunt came up first

unique rune
sturdy stone
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Hmm.

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Maybe a joint human-Covenant fusion plant, then

unique rune
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HW2 has UNSC firebases running on wind turbines, and I think HW1's were some sort of nuclear plant

sturdy stone
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It works better that way anyways.

frosty bear
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The only thing wrong with Leovaunt is the ai

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The earliest an ONI can deploy with a Mantis is 5, but a level 1 AI can drop one in with command points and have a few spare for some rocket launchers

sturdy stone
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What is Leovaunt

frosty bear
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The name of a guy who made a halo TTRPG that’s not mystic

hazy shadow
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Halo universe is using regular hydrogen fusion reactors in pretty much everything, and then random wind and solar for remote outposts/tents.

last anchor
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And the farms on Reach in the opening level, they got a bunch of em.

craggy hamlet
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What year did halo wars take place

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And why does the mk IV armor have shields

tropic forge
craggy hamlet
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Ok

versed helm
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Gravemind is forklift certified

orchid kettle
carmine sleet
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That is one thing I do wish they didn't say was canon

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Especially since there's other things in the Halo Wars games which are not canon because it was just a game mechanic, such as the health stealing weapons used by some units in HW2

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And while the UNSC would no doubt have had some attempts at shield generators on foot soldiers, I doubt they'd be as good as what we see in game at that time

frosty bear
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Honestly, why can’t marines have energy shields?

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Mjolnir armour doesn’t actually weigh all that much for the amount of titanium strapped to it, so I can’t assume a battery and an energy shield is that expensive

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Another example is the jackal shield, a marine could at least have that strapped to their chest

fair hazel
carmine sleet
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Mjolnir is a half tonne last I checked

fair hazel
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Mjolnir has a nuclear reactor as well

carmine sleet
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Or is it ton? I get tonne and ton mixed up

unique rune
frosty bear
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It seems like most or at least lot of of the 1000ish pounds is just raw metal

frosty bear
frosty bear
fair hazel
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You don't seem very well informed on mjolnir

frosty bear
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Honestly I need to read more of the books

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I kinda just know what it does and how much it weights

fair hazel
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i recommend the encylopedia

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mjolnir is not cheap also raw material cost isnt the only thing

frosty bear
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Also this moderation bot is going to drive me nuts

frosty bear
fair hazel
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gen 3 is very advanced

merry viper
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Still prefer gen 2 tbh

frosty bear
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Which armour did Chief have in 4?

dusk jetty
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Cortana states at the beginning that she changed the suits firmware with nanotechnology, so it’s still technically Mark VI, just modded.

polar dew
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Wasnt nanobots from an interview after the game released or something

unique rune
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The nanomachines stuff was a retcon, yeah. Originally his armor wasn’t supposed to have been upgraded or anything, it was just meant to be an art style shift.

merry viper
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They became canon through other media. I believe it was mentioned a handful of times in Kelly’s Gay Renegade

merry viper
polar dew
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Right yeah

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Always bugged me that they changed in game lore to fit an artstyle change

merry viper
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I’m okay with it, just the lack of information that hinted towards it was bothering me. Despite Cortana says she’s done some upgrades.

polar dew
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I always thought that was software stuff since she says it as chiefs hud boots up

merry viper
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Still bothers me that Chief didn’t get a proper introduction to his Gen 3. Just briefly mentioned it in Shadows of Reach and that was it.
Even Project Cobalt had a better in introduction in Collateral Damage and that armor was used for Troy Denning novels Silent Storm and Oblivion

frosty bear
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Do the covenant use any land based APCs?

polar dew
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Theres some in halo 2 i think

orchid kettle
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also yeah the Shadow from Halo 2

frosty bear
merry viper
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Shadows

orchid kettle
merry viper
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There’s the Troop transport and vehicle transport we saw in Old Mombasa.

orchid kettle
frosty bear
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Did the banished exist before halo 4?

orchid kettle
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Ye

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Atriox and his gang have apparently been out causing trouble back when the human-covenant war was still happening

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and they emerged as one of the most important alien faction in the post war era

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What Atriox is doing when the Infinity and Jul are fighting for Requiem, I couldn't tell ya

frosty bear
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Would other factions have gotten their hands on banished tech?

orchid kettle
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I think the Wraith Invader was very specifically commissioned by Pavium

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so unlikely

merry viper
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There was Avu Med Telcam. But he mainly got his arsenal from aftermarket from ONI that were bugged.

orchid kettle
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There's also the more conventional Shadow

merry viper
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Then there was Parg Vol that went after UNSC ordnance during Requiem campaign

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And Gek Llhar who bought the Harvester for 50mil credits from a back water colony auction

frosty bear
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It seems like land troop transports are very uncommon outside of the banished

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And UNSC obviously

orchid kettle
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yeah its just not a niche halo vehicles touch on a lot

polar dew
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Banished is because theyre the only ones dumb enough to think infantry is viable against plasma and rail guns
And the UNSC is because humanity is that desperate

orchid kettle
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I guess because in story, they just have characters load up in Pelicans or Phantoms instead

frosty bear
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I’d assume the lore explanation is also that the UNSC have too little AA and the covenant have a lot

orchid kettle
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the UNSC does have the Mastodon

frosty bear
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So the UNSC needs land based troop transport while the covenant generally don’t

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Yeah UNSC has that and the one with the cryo cannon

orchid kettle
frosty bear
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The covenant has the dorky one with no protection and banished stuff

orchid kettle
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and unlike the Wraith Invader, its not a super specific model used by one character

merry viper
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Don’t forget the Skiff

orchid kettle
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da War-Skiff

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or maybe the Banished Spectre/Prowler

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i dunno if four dudes is much of a troop transport tho

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compared to the Mastodon's 20

merry viper
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Small little strike team rather than platoon

fair hazel
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The shadow

frosty bear
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War skiff has like a driver and gunner

merry viper
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A crashed Liche

merry viper
frosty bear
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Oh the wiki is unclear

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Yeah, I guess that does count, but that’s also banished tech

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UNSC should’ve stepped up their AA game in the original trilogy

merry viper
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We solely focusing on Covenant?

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I sense a Fan Fic being developed

frosty bear
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TTRPG campaign

merry viper
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Ah

frosty bear
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The banished don’t work for it since they seem unlikely to work with human rebellion factions

orchid kettle
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I mean, the Banished are mercenaries, and at least until a human AI blew up their homeworld, they even employ humans

merry viper
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There’s SOME that work with banished according to the Field Manual

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Then there’s Lopez Ferret team

orchid kettle
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Banished are a lot more flexible than you'd think for a Halo faction

frosty bear
orchid kettle
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Nah, the Banished's whole thing is that they're trying to stack that paper

merry viper
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I’d imagine they use them more like informants

orchid kettle
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Accumulate as much wealth and power as possible

merry viper
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Just an over glorified pirate faction in an odd sense. Even though they rarely going offensive (only when it benefits them)

frosty bear
orchid kettle
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with how they preach about how they shouldn't let interspecies hatred get in the way of acquiring sick loot

frosty bear
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Weren’t the swords of Sangheilios pretty cool?

orchid kettle
frosty bear
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They’re like very UNSC sided from what I’ve seen though

orchid kettle
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I dunno if the Grunts working for him tho are doing so of their own free will, if they're being paid, or if they're still slaves

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I wanna say they're not enslaved, considering Legacy of Onyx has humans, Sangheili, AND Unggoy living together as equals

carmine sleet
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My guess is Arbiter lets them live as free citizens of worlds under the control of the Swords of Sanghelios

carmine sleet
pale zenith
carmine sleet
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Make the Grunt Stolt and I'm in

spare kite
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4's are superior to all other generations and I'm tired of acting as if it's not true

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I never lie

terse lava
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Would say it depends on the situation

spare kite
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When Halsey says that her Spartans are the next step for humanity the 4's fit that criteria far more than the 2's

terse lava
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Eh thinking the line of combat here, seeing as the 4s appear to die easier than the 2s. Though the 3s make that no contest sadly

orchid kettle
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Nah odsts are the best

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if you want to get strong

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just work out, kids

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don't take drugs

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or follow strange men into their space vans

verbal mountain
spare kite
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To be the next step for humanity you need more than just combat prowess. 4's live longer than base humans, they have the ability to gain proper nutriants from mundane things like tree bark, they can breathe in harmfull gases like methan, but more importanly their augmentation can be given to anyone. These attributes would be far more beneficial to humanity. Plus despite being weaker than 2's the 4's are still hella strong.

orchid kettle
orchid kettle
verbal mountain
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Because I'm ChatGPT

terse lava
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Yeah there were indeed Banished Humans, as some were even present during the ark conflict. After the campaign and DLC in that game, most of them either defected to the UNSC forces, or were killed by their fellow Banished

last anchor
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Outside of the situation on the Ark there's still plenty active.
Banished allied humans created the Threat Seeker from this season for example, hence why its literally a Banished Threat Sensor.

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Im more curious as to where the hell all the scopes on the Bandits went.
"Made to Misriah's standards", sure. I'll trust Venezia when they show me their tax records...

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Probably stole all the scopes and sold em to Kig-Yar

carmine sleet
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Most likely a case of the scope being a separate attachment, allowing for users of the weapon to choose what kind of scope they want on the rifle

orchid kettle
last anchor
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Oh for sure, its a Piccany rail, modular attachments are big buisness as they are now.

coarse quarry
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whats the population of the covenant

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does anyone know?

orchid kettle
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Their empire is supposed to dwarf humanity, and some of the client races really like to get down

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so probably trillions

coarse quarry
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i know grunts mustve had

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a LOT

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of em

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cause they like to do yk

frosty bear
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Earth today is rapidly approaching 10 billion despite overpopulation doomers crying over 8, and I have to assume the covenant have a lot of planets, so it’d be at least a couple trillion

fair hazel
bright beacon
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The Flood is kind understandable its just a species doing its thing

bright beacon
pale zenith
dusk jetty
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There is also the possibility the flood is a precursor revenge plot

quiet shoal
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Why is the reach AR so bad

carmine sleet
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Game balance isn't dictated by lore or vice versa

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If it was, Plasma would be so much better at killing people

quiet shoal
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Oh ok

orchid kettle
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if you WANT a lore connection

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maybe its because its super old and smelly

unique rune
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it shoots worse because it’s ugly

pale zenith
dusty ferry
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because it has less network components i guess?

orchid kettle
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there's concept art of the Infinite intro cutscene where Chief is holding an MA5B instead, the CE AR

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Though I don't think anyone really had that much beef with the MA5D from Halo 4 and 5, outside of maybe it having crevices and detail on the ammo counter

frosty bear
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The halo 4 ar was great

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Halo 4 in general was sick as hell

pale zenith
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jus the prometheans were overdesigned

frosty bear
pale zenith
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that idea was dope

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jus the actual geometry model itself

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bit

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much

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any wep animations are welcome

frosty bear
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I love the Boltshot or suppressor, whichever one took like 10 seconds for each individual part to snap into place

carmine sleet
dusty ferry
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They were some of the gretest things in Halo

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The Prometheans deserved better

frosty bear
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I feel like H4 was underrated in general

pale zenith
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343 went with transformers bot design

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transformers was popular at the time

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So I get it

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But forerunners are more sleek, simple

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Not too many extra lines or bits

last anchor
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Some were.
Remember there were 6 rates, each with its own astetic and design principles and requests.
All of the Forerunner material we see in 1-3 is Builder based, since we spend almost all our time on Halos or the Ark.

4 was mostly Warrior-Servant/Promethean material since we're inside Requiem, the personal Shield World of the leader of the Prometheans.

pale zenith
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Infinite gets that, forerunner vibe is strong

last anchor
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We see the older stuff come back when we go back to the Ark in Halo Wars 2

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And now again we're on a Builder instillation and so its back to the older design

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Genesis in 5 is an odd bird admittedly but it is a seeder world so

pale zenith
last anchor
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Not really, it was set down pretty clearly in Cryptum

pale zenith
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Ya that decision to do that is odd

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And they proceeded from there

last anchor
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They didnt make that call, that was Greg Bear.

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And we're better for it in truth because without the Forerunner Saga they'd just be Maguffin Makers

pale zenith
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A perfectly iconic look existed already

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Greg bear isn’t a rogue lol

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343 consulted with him for sure

last anchor
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They told him what they wanted and let him go from there Im fairly certain

pale zenith
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Like look at the first order trooper

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It’s a decent evolution from stormtroopers

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Recognizable

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Familiar

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343’s bot design fit age of ultron

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Or transformers aesthetically

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Instead of the sleek, simple metals

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Of the og

last anchor
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The First Order's look is a joke and the First Order itself is a joke so I wouldnt say thats a fair comparison.

pale zenith
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Strictly visual design

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They are a clear family member of troopers

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Sw trooper aesthetic

unique rune
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I mean I dunno
H4’s Forerunner aesthetic is pretty consistent with the Bungie stuff, except not like, dead and dormant

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The Promethean units and the Didact’s own armor are the only major deviations

pale zenith
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But that’s a big part lol

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The villain

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The villain and his troops

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So ya, visual families and sub families

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It’s important to respect that lineage

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Design wise

last anchor
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I rather likes the difference between the Sentinels and the Knights.

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And the Armigers when they showed up too in 5.

pale zenith
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I do like them too, it’s good art

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Just not the forerunnery aesthetic

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Maybe Ultron’s ironman drones sure

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Regardless 343 understand now,

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As evidenced by their forerunner weps

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In infinite

unique rune
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feel like that’s kind of an arbitrary and ultimately subjective distinction though

pale zenith
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It’s not tbh if u examine closely

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It’s has to do with material textures,

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Geometry

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Familiar Silhouettes

unique rune
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like personally I think the H4/5 Forerunner weapons better resemble some of the Forerunner architecture shapes seen throughout the Bungie games

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Infinite’s Forerunner weapons are too squared off and angular by comparison

austere bison
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Did You know the Monitor 343 Guilty spark utilized a Armiger to get around after the covenant human War ended

pale zenith
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Like the towers famously

unique rune
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no it isn’t lol

pale zenith
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Forerunner towers

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It has a name actually

last anchor
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Which one? Theres like, four things you could be describing.

void orchid
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how did high charity even get on the ark

unique rune
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put a Binary Rifle on its butt end sticking into the air and the shapes have more in common with stuff like the Anodyne Spirit and other keyships than any of Infinite’s Forerunner weapons

pale zenith
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In architecture they call it

Brutalism

last anchor
# void orchid how did high charity even get on the ark

The Gravemind is the remains of the Flood infested last Precursor.
It used neural physics to twist slipspace to allow it to jump the distance to the Ark with ease.
It already knew where the Ark was, because the Flood got there already.

pale zenith
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Simple lines and angles

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That’s not by chance

last anchor
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Not a reboot mate.

pale zenith
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Soft reboot

last anchor
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Not even that

pale zenith
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Ok well ur just not being real with urself

last anchor
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Did you even READ the descriptions in Cryptum at all?

void orchid
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forgot they can regain or preserve intellgence

pale zenith
unique rune
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A reboot blustering about respecting “Halo’s legacy” only to sweep an entire third of that legacy under the rug because it’s not nostalgic to Halo 3 fans lmao

pale zenith
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This 343 thing is 343

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Yes

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That’s very surprising

pale zenith
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Unfortunate

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But 343 did a decent job of resetting

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Imho

unique rune
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The “reset” was an entire mistake of its own

pale zenith
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It had its costs no doubt

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The created rule

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The banished getn buffed out of nowhere

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But obviously they felt it had to be done

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And for artstyle and gameplay,

Infinite’s enjoyed praise from many

orchid kettle
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I've said it before, but honestly I think Infinite does a better job of being a sequel to 4 than 5 or Spartan Ops

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At least on a thematic level

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Like, people didn't like Halo 4's story because robots were in it or Jul Mdama's covenant remnant faction that has no true name

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It was the part about dealing with the inevitable loss of a loved one, and death in general

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And Infinite was about rising from the ashes of that tragedy

pale zenith
orchid kettle
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I swear I remember hearing from some writer on twitter that while Halo 4 was about Mortality, Infinite was "Rebirth"

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There's a cohesion there, to go from Death to Rebirth

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While I struggle to point towards any thematic relation to the other games in Halo 5

abstract wren
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yeah but we didn't get the in-between...

orchid kettle
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Sure, and that sucks, but to me, kicking a lot of Halo 5's stuff to the wayside made the narrative stronger, at least on the character side

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all the Cortana stuff being flashbacks and "echoes" sure was... a choice

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But like-- Infinite was never going to be good if it retained the huge cast of characters from 5

abstract wren
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a pretty bold choice yes...

orchid kettle
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Cutting down the roster was kinda inevitable

abstract wren
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sure, but they could just to a follow up, not just destroy every setup...

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And saying a genocide can be forgiven because ... "she regrets" ?

orchid kettle
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Not that I personally miss the characters, as I feel like they didn't have a ton to do in Halo 5 to begin with, or if they did, not much of an interesting motivation

abstract wren
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Blue Team had a ton to be there... they are John's familly

orchid kettle
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They're there because Chief is

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But that means they're kind of Chief's accessories

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he's still the only character with skin in the game

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The only one who we care about regarding if he'll get what he wants in the end

abstract wren
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What have been done in 5 : yes.
But should have been in a real familly support situation for his journey to discover her most trusted friend is now a fiend and autocratic.

orchid kettle
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Sure, that's what they should have been

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But 5 wasn't really interested in that

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It wanted to get the universe to a certain point, and not much beyond that

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Setup for the next game

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but very little meat to chew on independent of that

abstract wren
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it wasn't interested in a hunting, critics of the Chief's image, Osiris impossible team... just... tiing up loose end and trying to please the fans (impossible) while doing lots of experimentation at the same time.

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Halo 5 is a teared up game. trying to do everything at the same time... and failed triing

orchid kettle
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To me, it just felt devoid of any understanding of why we tell each other stories in the first place

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You know, its not about setting up the next corporate product

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but to communicate certain ideas and emotions to the audience

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to get them to care about what's undeniably not really there

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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Like, Infinite suffers from sequel bait pretty hard itself

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but at the same time, it features several scenes of characters talking about their feelings and insecurities

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It felt like somebody with the pen had something worth writing

abstract wren
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John elroboto 117 XD

orchid kettle
orchid kettle
abstract wren
orchid kettle
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You realize Chief being the stoic, mission-focused soldier is the characterization, right?

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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The Pilot is frustrated by it, the Weapon's naivete is constantly contrasted with John's cynicism

orchid kettle
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That's what characterization means

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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The character has traits and he exhibits those traits

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Do you really think the writers are unaware of how John is coming across when they have a character be repeatedly frustrated at how stubborn and single minded he is

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How he's admonished for not trusting the Weapon

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Do you seriously think its an accident

abstract wren
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aka Halo 4 and 5

orchid kettle
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Who exactly are you arguing with

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Because I can't speak for the "fans" you've made up in your head.

pale zenith
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It felt good

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H5 was like ok we’re here

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Now over there

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Cut to black now we’re way over there

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Just a bit too hectic

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Infinite trimmed fat and the pilot was neat

orchid kettle
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I like the Infinite trio a lot

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I just hope the Weapon doesn't actually name herself Cortana

spiral jewel
#

Dumb question: is it out of the realm of possibility for the SoF to house actual M700 Vipers or the ability to start construct of newer models of the M700?

dusty ferry
#

are those the fighters from Battlestar Galactica?

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if so, probably

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The SoF can make Nightingales and their weird nanotech repair stuff (I think thats definitely a canon feature) or modify (I don't know if they can flat make condors) condors into gunships with pulse lasers and the like

#

Oh, you mean the cut tank from Halo CE

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yeah totally

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like, if it can make grizzlies, it can make a Viper

pale zenith
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basically all agree that'd be weird af

half jacinth
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I wonder what she will name herself

dusk jetty
quiet shoal
glacial oracle
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Odd question but is it illegal to enter a halo ring? Prior to them being discovered it couldn't have been a impossibility of a random civilian freighter or some exploring vessel to potentially stumble one right?

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I can imagine that the UNSC has legislation that so it must be reported but I was wondering it there was any cannon explanations for civilians interacting with halo rings

verbal pollen
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Idk tbh
But now I want to

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There's probably a rule about civilians activating a Halo without consent of the unsc

carmine sleet
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They're classified locations to the majority of the UNSC

verbal pollen
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Wait, so most people don't even know about them?

carmine sleet
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With those being there mainly being researchers who have permission to be there, or UNSC military and ONI personale

carmine sleet
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Especially if the information is misinterpeted and someone thinks it can be used to only target a specific species

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As there are those in human space with strong hatreds towards the various species of the Covenant still

dusty ferry
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also, most halos are outside UNSC space by a very large margin

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you would have to spend a long time traveling to the middle of nowhere to find one

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given 04 was destroyed, and delta halo was far off the beaten path

carmine sleet
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And 03 was found by dumb luck

pale zenith
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its a huge security risk as u say

carmine sleet
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We know they have teams on/at 03, 05 and 07, though the teams on 07 likely got caught in the crossfire of what happened with the Banished at the start of Infinite

pale zenith
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im guessn no more than a frigate or two?

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or way more?

tropic forge
coarse quarry
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how many planets had the unsc lost to the covenant?

pale zenith
dusk jetty
indigo ingot
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How did i just realize that it's called the ark named after Noah's ark which both are the only known places where life isn't killed by the flood/rings it's so obvious now that o think about it.

Then again why would the forerunners name their installation after biblical lore despite having zero knowledge of it because biblical times wouldn't happen for several millennia

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Or perhaps it's just what the humans and covenant called it now that I think about it the forerunners most likely just called it installation 00

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Still I'm a dummy for not realizing that until now given how long ive been playing halo

orchid kettle
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The idea of a flood wiping out the old world and a new world coming after isn't unique to the bible either

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even the epic of gilgamesh has this idea of a guy being warned about a massive flood and building a big thing to survive it

dense falcon
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Is there a reason why the Spartan logo has arrows and a lightning bolt? Does each item actually represent something?

errant tiger
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hey do we know what the grave mind looks like or is it really just a giant tentacle

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with a mouth mind you

indigo ingot
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It seems based on the American coat of arms which is interesting given I don't believe any of the Spartan 2's which are the first Spartans besides the Orion project are American so it would be interesting for oni or Halsey to choose that. I've done some looking and I can't find any lore explanation, Bungie probably just did it because it looks cool

polar dew
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Thats the explaination for a number of bungie design choices

errant tiger
polar dew
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American company, American game, American aesthetics

errant tiger
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can someone answer my question

polar dew
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Yes

polar dew
unique rune
polar dew
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Whatever fleshy nightmare your heart desires

unique rune
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The one big mouthy tentacle probably also isn’t the entire body of the Gravemind, just projection of its body used to communicate with things.

errant tiger
meager pier
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With the fiction Friday regarding Heian, wild out there theory, but I’m theorizing that this is the original homeworld of Humanity and the Forerunners when we were once 1 species, explaining why there’re both Forerunner and Human architecture ruins across the planet, and we split off from each other 15 million years ago after we genocided the Precursors

unique rune
errant tiger
# unique rune Retconned how?

like are they still the flood before the flood or are they just a thing that was thought of and was forgotten about and the floods origins were changed

unique rune
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That has not been changed

errant tiger
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cool because i find them interestiong

last anchor
slow pine
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Have a lore question, as long as I'm not derailing anything

last anchor
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For the Spartans...its arrows and a lightning bolt, so one is standard war, and the other presumably full force shock operations.

slow pine
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Basically, does halo exist in a multiverse?

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Secondary question would be, does the slight time travel in infinite be any indication of that?

unique rune
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Kinda sorta but mostly not really

There’s alternate timeline shenanigans with Fractures and the TV series which aren’t to be considered canon, and then there’s some other stuff about the Forerunners making use of energy from other universes that only exist briefly or something like that? I don’t remember the exact details

But in the general sense of multiverse stuff, no, Halo does not work that way and nothing has ever particularly suggested as such

meager pier
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@slow pine Yeah, in the Forerunner Saga it’s indicated that there are other realities, however, it’s not said if other reality are alternate/parallel universes to our own like Marvel & DC comics, I imagine no
The ending of Infinite was more akin to time dilation rather than time travel

slow pine
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That's what I thought but I wanted more familiar opinions. What brought the question to my mind is that marathon and destiny appear to be in the same multiverse due to things popping up in destiny from marathon. Weapons also pop up from halo in destiny as well but halo has been more strict that the aforementioned two

meager pier
slow pine
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Yes

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Another point against it ever happening in the future. But somehow bungie was still able to use the weapons from halo in destiny, which did seem odd given they stepped away from halo

unique rune
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I doubt they’re part of the same multiverse, I think it’s more likely just Bungie’s habit of referencing their older work in newer stuff

meager pier
#

Halo was originally supposed to be set in the Marathon universe, during the centuries in between the Marathon leaves Mars and arriving at Tau Ceti, and Cortana would be the same base coding as Durandal
However, any plans to connect Halo to Marathon were abandoned once Bungie and Halo were acquired by Microsoft

indigo ingot
# slow pine Basically, does halo exist in a multiverse?

It's technically possible but not, the forerunners have had a classification for the flood to be multiversal for context the flood levels are.

Feral (no gravemind)
Coordinated (a gravemind has been made and flood acts as a total hive mind and is smarter with every level)
Then interstellar where they can command ships and go from planet to planet (this is the farthest made in lore in the end of halo 2 and halo 3)
Then trans galactic where they consume entire galaxies
Universal is where they consume the entire universe
And then multiversal which is almost impossible as there would likley e very few multiversal life forms that can get infected at all and even if they can they likely arent in our universe.

Tldr yes and no, it's in the lore but hasn't really been done before

jaunty flume
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I still think it kind of dumb to even try and do multiverse stuff with halo. Like it really fine enough universe it does not need these alt worlds, or what ifs kind of story telling ya know

meager pier
jaunty flume
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kind of why I really did not enjoy the halo tv show as it pretty much is one of those concept and really butcher the lore to try and do it own thing but not really

meager pier
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At least that’s just an awful adaptation

last anchor
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Presumably used under the same parody laws as fan work

meager pier
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And I bet they had to work something out with Microsoft

last anchor
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Probably.

glacial pivot
#

Is halo nightfall canon?

boreal bane
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Yes

obsidian thistle
#

Most Halo media is canon. Or at the very least Apocrypha.

Very little is "non-canon", opting more to be Alternative Canons like the Silver Timeline or Fractures instead!

#

Its actually impressive how very little is non-canon.

abstract wren
#

It is indeed. Thats a strong force of the Licence Halo, especially from 343 who resisted the temptation to retcon lots of things

shy pine
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343 have done quite a bit to make sure canon isn’t so segmented and can be easily retconned, even at times fixing some problems regarding retcons

abstract wren
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And so, being more open to newcomer (in theory)

shy pine
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Honestly i found some newfound love for the forerunners after listening to the forerunner trilogy audiobooks

obsidian thistle
# abstract wren It is indeed. Thats a strong force of the Licence Halo, especially from 343 who ...

Most "retcons" are to things that are Apocrypha anyhow. The squishy stuff that was always weird and may not fit fully right. I Love Bees for example. Many things dont fit in right but 343i dont ignore it and often use it for stuff. (There is also the issue that ILBs sits in that awkward area where saying its outright non-canon may break a lotta stuff as ILBs kinda is the foundation for a LOT of lore.)

meager pier
orchid kettle
#

Especially with the more recent idea of Halsey actually being successful in resuscitating the dead or disfigured II's that didn't survive the augmentation procedure unscathed

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both are avenues to add more IIs into the fight outside of the original 33, and I feel like if 343 wanted class II to be a thing, they wouldnt bother with resurrecting the dead

sturdy stone
#

I have another question. How realistic is it for any Covenant species, assuming near-limitless funding, to acquire armor made of MJOLNIR parts and to jury-rig it to fit them?

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Or would any such be little more than trophy pieces

indigo ingot
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They probably wouldn't really have a need for mjolnir armor as the elite armor is very similar with shields that are on par up to the mk 6 and are definitely able to kill spartan 2s, at least Thoes that aren't hyper lethal such as master chief, anyway grunts wouldn't need them given they can just reproduce if they have heavy losses and brutes got similar armor after the great schism and jackals and drones wouldn't be important enough and hunters are already heavily armored.

Tldr: covenant doesn't really need mjolnir

orchid kettle
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I think armor made out of magic crystals that make you way stronger would be of interest to any species

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Its kinda just the problem that mjolnir snaps your bones if its not reinforced via augmentations

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I think its implied the reflexes need to be enhanced as well just so you can keep up with your own body when its being amplified by mjolnir

steep dew
#

Is halo and destiny canon

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Like together

carmine sleet
#

They are not related via canon

steep dew
#

Ty

meager pier
solemn oxide
#

does anyone know if the Artimas Class battle cruiser cannon

orchid kettle
obsidian thistle
solemn oxide
spiral jewel
#

In Halo 3... Did 343 Guilty Spark ever interact with 000 Tragic Solitude at any point? (I still think it's weird that the Arks monitor never shown up at any point during the battle of installation 00)

hot ravine
spiral jewel
#

I don't recall if I ever found that one.

But thanks, Haruspis!

abstract wren
#

"04-343 (errant): Vexation! I am the Monitor of "

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But he is not refered by name

last anchor
#

Neither is.

obsidian thistle
#

Thats the terminal in question however. Its the normal version of Terminal 3.

abstract wren
last anchor
#

For him yeah but 000 isnt designated either

#

I mean neither of them is named as such

#

Spark isnt called Spark, we just get the number designation (easy to tell of course)
And Tragic isnt even named at all (and doesnt get a number either I think)

#

Nope, he just talks to Spark with no title

abstract wren
#

Well, Spark is not his name at the time. Its his number that matters. So dont really the prblm here. 343 is identified

obsidian thistle
#

I will say a Canon Fodder later confirmed it.

#

Does the Ark have its own Monitor?

abstract wren
#

k cool

last anchor
#

It cant really be anyone else in truth

#

Though of course Tragic was canonized well after 3. But it works.

jaunty flume
spare kite
#

I need more Sunray 1-1 in my life

#

Their art is so cool

main merlin
#

What is the most wasted faction or character in lore?

#

I think they are the heretics of halo 2

#

If Bungie gave them more attention they probably would have filled the role of the banished or jul ndama covenant after bungie leaves

orchid kettle
gusty star
orchid kettle
#

Like I kinda get that Jul is meant to be a subversion of the stereotypical Sangheili, where like he's not all that strong or honorable or anything, but boy can he lie and fail upwards

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but as is, they didn't really use him well

main merlin
#

any post-halo 4 supervillains and their entire faction just disappear the next game, and you have to read 428 books, novels, comics, codices, and podcasts scattered across the map to understand what happened.

orchid kettle
#

Jul also kinda got done dirty with how he got cut from Halo 4's main campaign

#

where I guess he was gonna have a scene with the Didact

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but as is, now all you see is a brief shot of him kneeling to the Didact when he awakens

main merlin
#

343 is such a very good developer but is quite hard understand lore whit dat

abstract wren
#

Who other faction have this ?
I don't see any for now

obsidian thistle
#

This excludes stuff Mendicant Bias said in the past, and his overwrite of terminal 7

pale zenith
main merlin
#

Also the franchise have so much potential between our times and when the games start
like the interplanetarian war or the clashes before 2552 with the covenant, since the war lasted about 30 years but everything happened in 2552 with differences of months. Doesn't feel like a real war and detracts from the other supposed "30 years of war"

half jacinth
#

In halo 2, when arbiter and rtas were talking in the phantom. Rtas goes “their lives matter, yours does not” then arbiter goes “that makes two of us”. Was arbiter saying that his own life doesn’t matter or was it saying that Rtas life doesn’t matter

gilded mason
#

The former

frosty bear
#

Especially if they had a more tactical feeling to them

pale zenith
main merlin
#

Sure

main merlin
frosty bear
blissful robin
#

Does anyone know who voiced Admiral Serin Osman in H4 Spartan Ops? (I can't find it listed anywhere online)

abstract wren
#

We don't know because there is no credits for actors (for all languages)

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
zinc walrus
#

So what happened to mendicant bias

#

If he is the best ai how did he get beat lol

abstract wren
zinc walrus
#

so halo is just a history of created stuff killing their creators

last anchor
#

Ehhh, not exactly.

dusty ferry
#

if the flood went and murked the precursors, i would agree

obsidian thistle
dusty ferry
#

Not fully though

pale zenith
woeful void
#

halo finsihed at halo 3, end of story. humans were forunners and chief stayed in the foward until dawn

woeful void
#

they are the same thing

zinc walrus
#

i think the percursor cloud turned into the flood

dusty ferry
#

Yeah, that was my point

zinc walrus
#

what

frosty bear
meager pier
#

Soooo......

polar dew
meager pier
polar dew
#

It must be if it convinced everyone forerunners arent human and that guilty spark is a caveman

meager pier
abstract wren
empty bloom
#

And Chakas was considered pretty exceptional for a post-HFW human.

abstract wren
#

Og relation between Forerunners and Humans for HCE and H2 was : same species, descendants. For Halo 3 it was already changed with descendant but with sub-species

#

But again : its been more then 15 years now. Its time to get it over it...

empty bloom
#

^

#

Humans not being Forerunners has been canon for longer than it hasn't been.

#

It was never outright confirmed in an official game until Halo 3, mind.

merry turret
empty bloom
#

I do kinda wish we got a lot more Spartan IV COIN stuff.

#

Something about IVs actually getting used for counterterror/counterrebel ops tickles me.

frosty bear
#

God though I wish the forerunner enemies in 4 were better

merry turret
#

I think they should make a contact harvest game tho

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use the halo inf engine

#

but have you play as johnson when the covenant were first discovered

empty bloom
#

They're smarter than people give them credit for.

frosty bear
#

The crawlers were cool but the drones were just the yanme’e from 3 but tankier and could revive the knights which were just tanky elites that occasionally teleported 5 feet away in an animation that takes so long it would be actively detrimental for them to use if it wasn’t for the immortality that’s extremely unclear in when it ends

empty bloom
#

The Watchers had a larger repertoire of abilities than that.

#

Watchers were capable of shielding, throwing back grenades, reviving knights, and spawning enemies.

#

Crawlers were actually the most basic AI the Prometheans seemed to have. Watchers had a lot on their plate and knights actually have a rhyme and reason for their teleporting.

#

All the different knight classes acted different depending on weapon and type too.

#

They actually dumbed watchers down a lot in Halo 5.

frosty bear
#

Yeah but 99% of the time the watchers didn’t use their shield and they were literally always priority number 1 targets unless a beam rifle enemy was nearby.
I’ve seen them throw back exactly 1 grenade and that’s because I threw it directly at them, when they’re in fast mode (which they do the moment you shoot them) they can’t throw them back.

empty bloom
#

They throw them back.

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You kinda have to let them do it though

#

They'll swing it a bit to gain momentum before they throw it back.

frosty bear
#

Yeah that’s the thing, you have to throw a grenade within like 3 feet of them which is very difficult when you’re trying, and if they fold up into fast mode I don’t think they can do it

empty bloom
#

When they go into retreat mode they're just exhibiting a survival instinct as a support class.

frosty bear
#

Being able to shield other enemies was a really cool concept but they were so imbalanced because of the reviving knights that if you saw one shield an enemy you just instantly flicked to the drone

empty bloom
#

I don't think that's really bad design.

#

It's an enemy with a high priority due to strong support abilities.

#

You're kinda supposed to focus on it if you've got two brain cells to rub together.

frosty bear
#

It’s not bad design but it made the shield kind of irrelevant, and retreat mode is cool but they enter it so often because they need to be killed first

empty bloom
#

In 5 they don't really have the retreat mode, and I don't really care for that.

frosty bear
#

I’ve not touched 5 in my life, still waiting for the PC port

empty bloom
#

It made them more engaging in 4. Annoying, but engaging.

#

Then again, I like enemies with a shred of survival instinct.

meager pier
# abstract wren lol no

Actually, the Forerunner Saga revealed that Humanity and the Forerunners both come from the same genetic ancestor, and from a canon fodder last year, 343 revealed that we were both the same species, so they took the original Bungie concept of Human=Forerunner and the Forerunner Saga direction and Human and Forerunner related yet separate into 1

frosty bear
#

I will say the knight teleporting would’ve been a lot cooler if they just sped up the animation 3 times

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And/or they removed the immortality or gave a seriously clear sign that it was over rather then having to watch for when they subtly snap to a new animation

pale zenith
frosty bear
#

The knights moving differently depending on their weapon was cool, but I think covvies did as well since like 3

pale zenith
#

Monitor style visual effect

empty bloom
#

They'll fight entirely differently in the sense of using teleports and such differently.

#

It's simple but useful.

#

Battlewagons, for example, will use their teleport offensively, while usually Knights kinda don't.

frosty bear
#

I will say the AI for the shotgun ones can break down a bit sometimes

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I had the one on the second relay tower try to snipe a friend from 50 meters out before we had even tried to push the tower and we shredded the hell out of it

empty bloom
#

It's actually what I'd consider the best of them considering the tricks I've seen it pull. It's tricky to get it to work right but it'll teleport right behind you at a really bad time.

frosty bear
#

Yeah, the problem with that is in legendary (and sometimes even heroic), it just feels unfair as soon as 2 or more knights are in play when they manage that

#

Knights are treated like elite minors when being spawned in but they play like elite majors without one shot headshots when shields are gone

meager pier
#

Honestly think Knights should've been treated like Tormentors in Lightfall, rarely encountered on the battlefield, but when they pop up, they're tough as hell to fight and are distinct from other enemies

unique rune
empty bloom
#

TBF, I think Halo 5's characterization for Knights actually fit far better.

half cliff
#

How were the flood created

obsidian thistle
#

A lotta Precursors (A very old species) turned themselves into dust to later return.

Overtime the dust corrupted and ancient humans found it. They then fed the dust to their pets and the pets grew corrupted...

Boom the first version of the Flood began!

half cliff
#

Ah ok thanks

zinc walrus
#

how did the dumb covenant become superior in tech than humans

#

i dont see them having any scientists?

orchid kettle
#

they were cavemen who found a hidden stash of ak-47s

obsidian thistle
#

Humanity were devolved. The Covenant species were not.

Even if we found that trove of Forerunner stuff, we'd not likely not make the best use outta it till humanity got back to where we are now-ish.

#

Otherwise we'd get stuff like some random human finding a hardlight sword in a stone and calling it exacibur. XD Not actually knowing its some high tech blade. XD (thats a hypothetical example)

carmine sleet
# zinc walrus how did the dumb covenant become superior in tech than humans

The Covenant was led by the Prophets, who were the ones in charge of making much of the Covenant weaponry. Other species could make weapons but it had to be with the approval of a Prophet. It's less that the Covenant is dumb and have no scientists and more that we don't see their scientists in the games

zinc walrus
gilded mason
#

And the Elites were able to become extremely advanced even without Forerunner tech

obsidian thistle
#

Like the Forerunner put us back to the stone age. They never punished other species that harshly.

gilded mason
#

Though the other species weren't exactly too far along anyway

abstract wren
obsidian thistle
#

An argument can be made for both

pale zenith
abstract wren
abstract wren
polar dew
#

From what I remember it was supposed to go to Earth but ended up on the prophets home world

#

But that could have been part of contact harvest which would make that explaination non canon

obsidian thistle
#

More saying a point can be made for both sides!

gusty star
polar dew
#

Interesting I had assumed they were at least a little more advanced given that they gave the prophets a decent enough fight to be near equals in the covenant

pale zenith
polar dew
#

Halo lore changes every other day I’ve given up on trying to keep it consistent in my mind

fair hazel
#

Some things don't necesairly have to oppose each other

golden spear
#

How many calories would a Spartan II need to eat to stay in top physical condition? I mean I know they likely expend more energy than an average unaugmented human wouls

orchid kettle
#

I don't think they have the same augmentations the IVs do that allow them to barely eat anything and be fine

#

so I imagine that because the IIs are big strapping lads, they probably eat more than your average person.

scenic blade
#

Guys, what happened to the Infinite multiplayer story?

polar dew
#

No more cutscenes but I think its still going on on the website

obtuse crow
tawny fox
#

They be like Goku or Cy in teen titans just straight up vacuuming a buffet

#

While normal humans watch in complete shock

tawny fox
#

I imagine they are augmented to be able to go a good while without needing to eat

#

But when they do they mukbang like nobody’s business

#

They probably got specially prepared MRE’s

vivid umbra
#

So I guess the Created might as well be called the Dismantled now

empty bloom
#

Eh. Not really.

#

They're still around and not dead, just suddenly became a democracy.

#

Oligarchy.

boreal bane
#

https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/halo-outcasts-preview-1

Halo: Outcasts – Preview 1

In the years that followed the Covenant War, Arbiter Thel ‘Vadam reformed the Swords of Sanghelios—an alliance of keeps that serves as the primary governing body of Sanghelios. As Fireteam Osiris in Halo 5: Guardians, we helped the Arbiter liberate his homeworld from Jul ‘Mdama’s Covenant remnant faction, but then the galaxy itself fell under […...

boreal bane
empty bloom
#

Yey

#

Book

golden spear
merry turret
#

Who would win, iron man or noble 6

fair hazel
#

The preview!!

carmine sleet
last anchor
golden spear
empty bloom
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Hell, comic Iron Man could problably handle a top Spartan character boss rush and come out on top just fine.

surreal glen
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Spartans are tough for both the standards of reality and the Halo universe, but the moment you start comparing them with other media, be it other games, manga or comic books, they are left at a disadvantage most of the times

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See no further than Doomguy, no Spartan has a chance of defeating him

empty bloom
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Actually, he killed more than one with it.

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And he only made it because he couldn't drive the original Godkiller armor.

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it’s unfair to match Halo spartans up against people from superhero universes like DC or Marvel or most media as someone here put it

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Depending on who of course

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Spartans with plasma weapons lol.

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Beam rifle.

dusk jetty
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Spartans would have a difficult time against characters in other universes that are normally considered “weak” too. Take Samus Aran for example. I think Chief would win against her, but it would be incredibly close, and Chief would lose if weapons were brought in. (Also samus is part Metroid, so there’s that.) but superheroes? Chief, and any spartan really, loses.

merry viper
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Mjolnir is strong but not SUPERHERO strong

tawny fox
dusk jetty
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Big Freaking Gun

tawny fox
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BFG time lol

dusk jetty
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Still would lose against the CE magnum though

tawny fox
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Fair point

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That thing was forged by gods

dusk jetty
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It is the true MJOLNIR

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Just in gun form

sage mortar
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Is cortana dead?

carmine sleet
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Yes

tawny fox
dusk jetty
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It also has a missile launcher, but assuming that it’s hand to hand, my money would go to Chief. If weapons are out though, it’s samus all the way.

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Yeah Samus just got better gear

lime linden
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Are there female jackals?

gilded mason
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Yes.

tawny fox
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I think one of the covenant shipmasters was actually a female jackal.

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I read somewhere

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Dunno if that’s true

dusk jetty
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Contact harvest, I believe

merry viper
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They have thicker neck skins due to how aggressive the male tends to bite while mating

tawny fox
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Aren’t they comparable to a dinosaur or bird? Like their feet and beaked mouth

merry viper
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Yea

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Reptilian Birds

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But I also tend to assume a character's bringing their best if you're talking a power level game, so.

tawny fox
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Yeah true

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warm ridge
# obsidian thistle Humanity were devolved. The Covenant species were not. Even if we found that tr...

Every species was "devolved" in the sense that they had to do a full restart regarding technology or civilization.
Humanity were the only ones that got devolved through genetic manipulation over having your tech taken away.

I'm actually not entirely sure how the tech on those worlds even disappeared or if the Forerunners painstankinly blew up or got rid of any technology they could find. It's kinda a big loop hole, especially when talking about the San'Shyuum supposedly having super advanced tech on there world still.

Same goes for other species to.

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Why are people not talking about the preview nore

tawny fox
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Ain't that Nicole?

warm ridge
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no wait this is the metroid prime one right

tawny fox
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Oh ok..yeah I just watched it. It was still friggin epic regardless

warm ridge
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yea that's just a fan made animation lol

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and it's not Chief in that animation either so

tawny fox
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Well..it was still pretty dang cool I’ll give it that lol

warm ridge
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Nicole is the one in that animation but it's entirely fan made more or less, made by a dude named Monty

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Man when she turned into a ball and “chief” punted her or something and she left those 3 bombs behind that exploded and ragdolled him like a ping pong ball 🤣 best part

warm ridge
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What's funny is 343i basically said Nicole 458 doesn't actually exist at all, so she's entirely non-canonical.

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She's based on a real Spartan in the lore, but Nicole itself doesn't exist, at least how she's depicted in Dead or Alive 4.

tawny fox
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ahh

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The Haloid animation is entirely fan made tho, that has nothing to deal with Halo at all. It's just something to tie in with Dead or Alive 4 I think.

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Yeah I figured

warm ridge
# tawny fox And Doomguy has a gun that can literally blink you out of existence

actually the BFG isn't that strong, often it's actual power seems to be heavily overly exaggerated. It doesn't seem to kill everything with one shot either.
It just deals a lot of damage, in Halo lore the equivalent to that would probably be somewhere between a Wraith plasma blast & the Revenant plasma blast.

Yea, it'll kill anything that touches it, cause it's a ball of plasma.

warm ridge
# abstract wren Thats only 1 theory. Ency22 says directly that the Flood was made by design

Yea I've always been saying that how the Flood were made is by experimentation from the Primordial sending Precursor dust towards Ancient human worlds, who he knew would experiment with it.

Eventually, those mutations would lead to the creation of the Flood, and the Primordial being a Precursor, most likely knew this. The Flood being it's own species that the Primordial later took over. You have the Flood hivemind voice, & the Primordial voice itself. 2 different beings basically.

warm ridge
# abstract wren de facto yes. But its made out of Precursor and controlled by a Precursor

It's not made out of Precursors, it's made from Precursor dust causing mutations in the Pheru pets. These mutations at 1st were seen as positives by humans, until eventually said mutations started causing the Pheru to eat each other. This "mutated disease" would then spread to Humans & the San'Shyuum, eating each other and causing massively disconfigured bodies that would eventually lead to being the Flood.

So the precursor dust caused the mutation, but they aren't purely made out of it. Any new Flood forms wouldn't even have Precursor dust on them.

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Was Mars also glassed by the Covenant.I know nothing has been mentioned

unique rune
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Mars has never been stated to have been glassed by the Covenant. Local UNSC forces were pretty much wiped out but everything else was left relatively unbothered.

golden spear
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Thing is in a war of genocide, wouldn't the Covenant want to glass any world that doesn't have forerunner relics

unique rune
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Glassing is a slow and resource-intensive process. Being in the Sol system meant they were pretty close to being able to achieve their end goal of activating the array and completing the Great Journey, so wasting more time on burning Mars wouldn't really do much.

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Both Regret and Truth were in a hurry (for slightly different reasons) on their way to Earth, so Mars wasn't really important to either of them.

golden spear
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I guess that could always be handwaved by saying Mars was full of Forerunner artifacts anyway as well

lime linden
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How much does a spartan suit cost?

carmine sleet
# gilded mason Ain't that Nicole?

Monty Oum intended it to be Chief but revealed they're actually a woman, similar to how in the original Metroid, you wouldn't have known Samus was a woman until you beat the game. But yeah, that animation is not canon or anything, just something fun made by an animator who was really good at his craft

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There was a panel at RTX this year that touched upon Haloid so it's a pretty fresh detail in my head

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So just a heads up to people avoiding spoilers of the next book. Halo: Outcasts is in the wild. I havent seen anyone spoiling stuff yet but alas thought it be apt to inform!

https://twitter.com/GalleryBooks/status/1681720055342481416

Gallery Books (@GalleryBooks)

Stop by our @Comic_Con S&S booth #1128 to be the first to get your hands on HALO: OUTCASTS by @TDenningauthor! We’ll have first-come-first-served copies of the book available for consumers beginning with Preview Night on Wednesday 7/19 @ 6:00 PM PST. 🙌 📖 @Halo @HaloGear

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(As a side note "I" can at least say: Halopedia wont be including stuff from this release. We are waiting for the previews and the actual release day.)

sturdy stone
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People consistently underestimate the juggernaut that is Samus Aran

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Samus, canonically, is sent into places that people don't, or can't, send armies, and she walks out utterly fine. The only reason she loses her abilities between games is because her basic Power Suit is the version of her armor that allows her to commune with Old Bird, her Chozo mentor

orchid kettle
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Though Air Assault's body description in Halo 5 may imply that GEN2 was so cheap that the cost was closer to the cost of a Pelican

empty bloom
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I don't think it's best to seriously consider Halonomics. It's like trying to understand Battletech's FASAnomics but with even less hard numbers.

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Eating drywall's a better use of time.

carmine sleet
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I'm more interested in what Chief and Samus would do as friends opposed to seeing them kill each other

empty bloom
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Mostly Samus doing everything.

light tartan
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Overpowered trio: Chief, Samus, Doomslayer, although doomslayer would clap all of em

empty bloom
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... Chief honestly doesn't deserve to be on that listing.

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Asura clears solo, really.

dusty ferry
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Halo, somehow is the most consistent when it comes to feats

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Compared to other series

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Like, if you try scaling Spartans, which you shouldn’t

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It is very consistent

tawny fox
empty bloom
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I'd honestly give good odds on a glassing beam solving at least one of those problems.

tawny fox
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Marine 1: “What the hell kind of spartan is that?”

Marine 2: “that ain’t no spartan…none that I’ve ever seen”

unborn ice
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i wish troy denning's prose was a little more interesting

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like i genuinely wonder how his editor didnt strangle him for the number of times he uses lechatelierite in shadows of reach

unique rune
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delicious lechatelierite

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unborn ice
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even if that was true it's a big copout for just describing the mise en scene

last anchor
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Guess you pay in whatever Sea Fox wants

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Frigging merchants

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sturdy stone
warm ridge
# orchid kettle Though Air Assault's body description in Halo 5 may imply that GEN2 was so cheap...

Gen 2 armor suits were all about being cost effective while main taining the same if not better capabilities that Gen 1 provided.

The UNSC was disappointed that Gen 2 more or less just matched Gen 1 in capabilities while not really providing better enhancements vs Gen 1, so Gen 3 got made to try and solve that issue.

although tbh so far Gen 3 just doesn't really seem all that impressive even vs Gen 2 in my opinion.

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like something like Rakshasa would work better as a Gen 2 suit due to largely being cheap used parts & being cost effective, same as Mirage IIC. Makes no sense to have them as Gen 3 suits at all given what Gen 3 is supposed to represent.

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but hey, 343i went ahead and brought back that crude Mark V [B] design so all logic kinda fell out the window years ago anyways lol

carmine sleet
safe mauve
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Whats the craziest thing the odsts have ever done in the halo verse

carmine sleet
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Well I know Romeo and Dutch convinced a Forerunner AI known as The Knowing to self destruct, preventing the glassing of Ariel as the Covenant just turned round and left

drowsy mesa
untold wasp
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all intel drops are bad
i'm convinced they are written last minute by repeating what is known

drowsy mesa
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S3 intels weren't that bad

safe mauve
gusty star
pale zenith
boreal bane
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Do you guys think Sangheili ever used bows with Blamite-tipped arrows? Considering their cultural tendency towards technologically upgrading feudal and medieval era styled weapon and armor I feel like it wouldn't be a stretch.

Also how sweet would that be as an actual weapon in the games? Does almost no damage to shields, on account of bow impacts being far weaker than anything else a shield will have to deal with. But super combines on 3 hits, and if another method was used to drain the shields, will one shot headshot.

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drowsy mesa
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Well, the plasma caster is said to be inspired by the shockbow (a crossbow)

sturdy stone
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Do you think there are any post-war kig-yar gun otaku

shut dew
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Are there any colonies we know of that operate under "cospecies confederacies," in which each species in the colony are subjected to different authorities of their own kinds in the same colony?

empty bloom
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That said, little to no intel has been expressed regarding either past two different relevant timeframes, so we don't know how deep that goes.

shut dew
empty bloom
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I'd imagine they keep it purposefully vague.

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Because pretty much every attempt at a richer universe via board games and whatnot hasn't exactly gone great.

safe pewter
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(That said, signing on with Spartan Games was a choice meant to lead towards failiure, looking at their historical lack of major victory as a board game company.)

empty bloom
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I could see an argument being made that a species could 'skip a step' in terms of making weaponry, or adding one that ends up being preferred over how we did it.

tawny fox
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I like to think they probably preferred melee weapons for hunting. Given the sword is considered a sacred weapon among them

empty bloom
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They could've skipped bows and went straight from slings to crossbows, or had a middle ground device similar to an atlatl, or if they perfected the slingshot long before they made the first real 'bow'.

shut dew
safe pewter
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Not that swords were ceremonial per say, they still killed people very well.

safe pewter
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Swords were also very expensive and rare, even in wars.

empty bloom
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But the actual usage was restricted to nobility, and part of that restriction was aided by a difference in function.

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Not that it stopped German peasants from making sword-sized knives.

safe pewter
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I could see them hunting with the smaller half-blades though.

empty bloom
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(They constantly complain about wanting more but never eat it)

tawny fox
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They have a dagger variant don’t they. Like a scaled down energy blade

safe pewter
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Yeah, but I see them more likely to go low tech and hunt with metal for the sport of it.

empty bloom
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I feel like that small blades would be relegated to livestock culling with more prodigious meals being a more 'Spartan' usage, like killing something as a rite of passage with it.

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Spartan in the ancient sense, not the cool dudes who shoot teh aliems.

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Then again the Spartan way IRL died out for a few very good reasons, least of which was inefficiency, arrogance, and reliance on slave labor

safe pewter
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Which is why I'd also see them going with daggers over spears and projectiles in general. Unlike humans they are also likely near the peak of physical prowess on their planet, so any advantage of range against a non-sentient/sapient creature could be considered dishonorable.

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I'd agree, but they seem perfectly happy to use 'cheats' to win without being considered dishonorable.

tawny fox
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Would be cool just to have a book or something that explores their primitive era

safe pewter
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Glassing, you mean?

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There isn't much 'honorable' about getting into melee range and waiting for them to put armor that wouldn't matter against you either way on.

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Sure, they know you're there, and they have guns, but you're also waiting, invisible, and you can sever limbs with a nice strong yank.

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Sangheili conventions about what is 'honorable' are warped to say the least by human standards.

safe pewter
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The lore can be messy with it's depiction of Elite honor for sure.

tawny fox
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Different clans have different philosophies I assume

empty bloom
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Problably, but that doesn't quite bode well for Thel's particular clan if that's what his sense of honor leads him to do.

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Not that it matters, considering his keep is allied with humanity for now.

safe pewter
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In some lore they deploy other species into civilian areas because they don't see it honorable to attack them themselves. On the other (and often in 343 era lore) you see them invisibly clearing out rooms of unarmed teenagers.

empty bloom
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Honestly, I see both as being in their wheelhouse.

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If anything clearing out rooms of unarmed civilians as an Elite would likely be more appreciable by the UNSC. Sangheili don't seem to butcher and eat other sentients like every other species of the Covenant short of maybe prophets do.

safe pewter
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It's a bit Klingon in a way. There are two types of honor in Klingon society. Real, actual honor, which only a few Klingons conform to, and "fake honor" which is more common. Made up rules on the spot for what is and isn't honor and political lobbying etc.

empty bloom
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Like, sure, you killed our dudes, but I guess you're better than the guys who also enslaved them just long enough to eat them raw while they were still breathing.

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And screaming, of course, can't forget the screaming.

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... Honestly, sending Brutes and Jackals to do that job might actually be a morally worse decision than just slaughtering them yourself with a sword.

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If the person you sent to do the job is a monster, and you know they're a monster, your hands aren't exactly clean.

safe pewter
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Though the order of the Hierarchs is complete genocide of the species. So better to relegate dishonorable actions to dishonorable species'

empty bloom
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Should've used more thermite on the Covvies.

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I did always think it was a bit annoying that Covvies were handwaved as being 'immune' to most conventional CBRN weaponry short of bioweapons tailored to them specifically. Once you hone in on what makes them tick in terms of meaty bits, figuring out a liquid or air blister agent should be relatively trivial.

safe pewter
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Thing is you can't just put a hat on a species and call it a day. There absolutely are great, noble, honorable Elites. And there are bad hombrés. If every single Elite behaved the same they wouldn't really be characters so much as caricatures.

empty bloom
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I stan Cobra Commander Elite from The Package.

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I bet he's a super honorable dude.

safe pewter
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Perfect example right there. Commander was a coward, Major was a cool dude.

empty bloom
safe pewter
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Ahh, I forget about him. Shipmaster was the coward fs.

Thats a perfect example of what I'm talking about though. Major was a cool and honorable dude. And one of the many examples of an Elite that can take on a Spartan in a fair fight.

empty bloom
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I would hardly call it a fair fight tbh.

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Chief's not exactly trained on katars, which is half the reason he was losing.

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I'd go so far as to say the only reason Chief's consistently been shown as winning against Elite Swordsmen is literally because he learned from that fight and decided yeah, getting into a melee with a sword-weilding enemy is a really stupid plan.

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And so he just, y'know. Shoots them. With his guns.

safe pewter
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True but there have been other examples. First Strike had an Elite drop his shield, but keep his sword to fight MC who still had his shield but no weapon. And Fall of Reach had a Ranger nearly beat MC in a fight over a Plasma Pistol.

empty bloom
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I don't recall the sword being in first strike, I just recall it being a second grapple fight.

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And both of them involved Chief getting ambushed and pinned while requiring third party assistance.

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... Amusing fact that Chief's actually had a worse track record against melee fighting Covenant than pretty much every Spartan IV ever depicted.

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Which I just find really funny.

safe pewter
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Both were one-on-one though. And in First Strike the Elite made his presence known and challenged him directly to the duel.

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Yeah there's also the Brute in First Strike that nearly choked him out.

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I find it interesting that for all their strength and the Mjolnir enhancement to that strength, melee combat is still Chief's weak spot against them.

empty bloom
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Thorne takes out about 6 or so elites while unhelmeted, unarmed, then manages to nearly solo Gek until he gets bouldered. Stone takes out several in melee, culminating in disemboweling a brute with her fists. Kovan ganks 7 elites in melee in a crashed phantom. Vale solo's two Elites in melee in a moving phantom.

safe pewter
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When he's struggling with Elites it often becomes nearly a stalemate. With Brutes it's just... Not even close.

empty bloom
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Actually, yeah, even other IIs have a way better track record.

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In terms of melee.

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Weird to me that people fixate on Chief being amazing in all aspects but I think he's actually just straight up had the most melee related L's handed to him out of almost any Spartan who didn't die to another Spartan.

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Could posit it as being up to competence creep (Not a bad thing IMO) regarding character depictions, I guess.

empty bloom
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Two seperate events.

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Chief punches a Banshee once, I think.

safe pewter
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There was a pretty clear line where Spartans in the lore started clearly overpowering Elites. It started in Halo Wars, and then became more prominent when 343 started releasing games. Up until then most of the encounters between Spartans and Elites were less like slaughters.

The original version of Fall of Reach (before they rewrote parts of it to line up better with new lore) even implied that no living human had ever encountered an Elite before the actual battle of Reach. That before then any time they were deployed there were no survivors.

It suggested that Elites being involved in the Battle of Reach played a major role in that also being where most of the Spartans died.

empty bloom
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I completely prefer the modern interpretation in all aspects tbh.

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Really justifies going 'yeah we need way more of these guys' while also not being a laughable lack of visibility regarding elites.

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I like the idea of an Elite capable of taking on a Spartan, any Spartan, and actually even having a shot at winning in melee being basically one-in-a-million type odds.

safe pewter
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It does work. But it came at the cost of nerfing Elites in the lore. That said, I don't see it so much as odds, as I do individual prowess. Some Elites just be built different. Better trained, and more capable. In the same way any soldier is.

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So yeah, I'm okay with most Elites being jobbers, so long as a few can be an actual threat. With so many Spartans in the lore, Brutes and Elites have to be capable of taking them on somehow. And having prominent characters be just that good is a fair way to balance it

empty bloom
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Frankly, Elites got first got falcon kicked in the groin around 2001.

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It's a bit goofier to consider that they were an until recently unknown and incredibly dangerous threat in Fall of Reach, only to kill them by the scoreful in Halo CE proper, then even harder in the next game.

safe pewter
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Anything that happens in gameplay, I chalk up to gameplay. Keep in mind in the games the Arbiter also slashes down plenty of Elites and Brutes like it's nothing.

empty bloom
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True.

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Speaking of slashing like nothing, I still find it funny how Jul's interim commander after he died still got closer to killing the Arbiter than Jul ever did.

safe pewter
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Master Chief is also supposed to be a standout Spartan. Same with Noble Six.

empty bloom
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I actually outright vehemently hate that 'lore'.

gilded mason
empty bloom
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And I'm glad it got retconned via brick to the head.

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At least for Six. Chief gets a ''''pass'''' that I don't think he really deserved.

safe pewter
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Six is all skill. Chief is all luck lol

empty bloom
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Nuking the term "Hyper Lethal" from orbit was the single best change to Spartan Lore that ever happened.

gilded mason
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I just wish they got rid of the term entirely instead of making it apply to all spartans.

empty bloom
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It's still stupid in both contexts, but if I had to choose between original use and just getting spread everywhere? I'd say I'd prefer everywhere.

gilded mason
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Yeah

empty bloom
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One's less insufferable.

safe pewter
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I know the books covered it a bit. But I still find it insanely hard to believe that it only took 4 years for humanity to go from the brink of destruction, to the mid-late 1900's USA of the galaxy.

gilded mason
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I still wish Halo 4 was 20 years later instead of 4

safe pewter
empty bloom
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Well, they did finish the war with their back against the wall, a recently uncovered cache of Forerunner tech, and right on time for a bunch of tech unlocks to finish up.

gilded mason
empty bloom
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So I guess humanity was basically just getting along with its nearest thing to cohesive direction and consecutive unlock trains, while still sticking to a wartime economy.

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I'm not super happy with it either, mind, but I can see it working in some respects, considering pretty much everyone else was looking deep inward at the time.

safe pewter
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The only real explanation we got was Oni actively destabilizing the Elites. Which is fair. But it's a lot of catching up to do for four years.

empty bloom
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No, that's not the only real explanation.

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The Sangheili were dealing with an outright civil war and constant political indecision as Thel tried to grab the reigns.

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Not to mention slow communication, war material going missing, vassal uprisings (Brutes, Grunts, etc).

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Comparatively, the best off in terms of cohesive unity would've been the Drones, but they lack the same zeal as the other species and mostly kept to themselves.

safe pewter
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A lot of which was escalated by human interference.

But they also have a nearly 3000 year head start technologically.

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4 years is a very short time, even with human ingenuity.

empty bloom
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Which got kicked in the back because they stopped being capable of maintaining their gear reliably due to the prophets bringing the engineers with them, and didn't have the best ability to consistently maintain on their own.

empty bloom
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And functional field prototypes of plasma weaponry as early as Arcadia.

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It helps to not think of all the advancements as solely start of the war stuff, but more thinking about it in line with getting more tech over the war. Post-war is really when the lessons learned actually managed to pay dividends and become a field-viable standalone product.

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With room to breath, industry finally got to start making the good stuff, in other words.

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It's telling that the instant the Created kicked the UNSC off of Earth, they had to start delving back into Reach era stockpiles for basic weapons.

safe pewter
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Speaking of. Have we got any confirmed human colonies that were never discovered during the Covenant war? It'd be a bit hard to believe that Earth was actually the last human controlled planet standing.

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Particularly for them to make any kind of comeback.

gilded mason
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There were a "few dozen" colonies left when the Covenant found Earth

safe pewter
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That helps then. None of them would be as well equipped as Earth or Reach. But it's still something.

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I suppose it also helps explain where so many Mjolnir Gen 2 and 3 production lines came from. 'Cause oh boy is that another can of lore worms right there. "Hey this is the second most expensive piece of technology humanity has ever invented, we definitely have the resources to create Spartan fashion lines".

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if Infinite surpasses more canon armor sets than there are canon Spartan IVs to wear them.

empty bloom
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My guesstimate for currently active IVs was around 3k-6k assuming every facility had the same update achedule.

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Soooooo

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That's low to mid. High guess was total Spartans in general approaching 10k now.

safe pewter
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Before accounting for the ones that have died fighting Created. I'd say the Banished too but far as I can tell they've only claimed a few dozen at best.

empty bloom
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Plus, some suits are either nowhere near Spartan only or are under extremely limited production, to the tune of less than a trio of suits ever made.

safe pewter
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They've also generalized it with Gen 3. Meaning individual production just provides helmets and attachments instead of full blown cores.

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Glad they stepped away from that idea. Makes a lot more sense for the main armor itself to be standardized, and then customized here and there.

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It's the only good thing to come out of the core system. Tbh. And the canon cores they've released so far support it. With Hazop and Rackshasa both still being Mark VII, but one is upgraded for hazardous environments and the other has been stripped down and had most of the core components replaced over time.