#lore-and-universe

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twin pebble
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somewhere

unique rune
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I mean there are Flood stored on 07 but I really hope they don’t come back

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I’m so sick of the Flood and all the cries to drag them back into the story for no good narrative reason other than it being The Nostalgic Thing

flat echo
fair hazel
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I want flood vs promethean

unique rune
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I just don’t want to see the Flood back at all
I thought it was stupid when HW2 did and I still kinda think it’s stupid

flat echo
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I would rather exploring the rest of the milky way and new alien empires/civilisations or what happened to the forerunners in exile than the flood returning but eh gotta manage those whiners somehow

minor sky
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The Flood being brought back would be just a bad idea

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They served their purpose

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Them being there in HW2 was a cool DLC thing and nothing more really

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Granted 343i did put the Banished in Infinite despite that not really making a ton of sense iirc just to satisfy fan demand

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also kinda forgoed HW2's story

vagrant palm
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Flood solos all lol they are just that busted

empty bloom
sly wave
fair hazel
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No

sly wave
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did that get changed?

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hol' up

unique rune
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That was never the case

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The Flood are a corrupted form of Precursor, which I would think is where you’re getting mixed up

sly wave
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oops

carmine sleet
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But yeah, no more Flood for me, I wanna know more about the Endless before there is even a consideration to bring back the Flood

distant socket
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the flood is a good enemy and good thing for the story, but they did that for 4 games,(dlc of HW2)

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so like others said, its time for something else

sly wave
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this actually makes me think of something though.
So, it's mentioned a lot in the trilogy that Halo "doesn't kill the Flood, it kills their food." But my question is, when the Forerunners activated the Array after the Forerunner-Flood War, why is it that in Halo Legends you see the pulses also kill the Flood itself? Or is this just the studio taking some artistic liberty or something like that?

orchid kettle
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I guess you could figure it vaporizes the combat forms, but the itty bitty spores live on

terse lava
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While some would argue a retcon, I would say more a clarity. Yes the Halos originally killed only lifeforms, the fact it kills off anything thinking would have to include higher flood forms such as combat forms and proto/graveminds.

orchid kettle
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Since Guilty Spark in CE does add "The galaxy will be quite devoid of life. Or at least, any life of sufficient biomass to sustain the Flood."

terse lava
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Think that would only still work had the gravemind never been introduced

orchid kettle
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Honestly back in CE, before we knew just how long ago the Halos were fired, it makes me wonder if the original implication was that the Halo array killed the dinosaurs

drowsy mesa
minor sky
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You guys think we'll get a proper follow up to Halo Infinite's story in the form of a game or do you think the Endless will just be explained away in a novel while 343 moves on to a new storyline?

obsidian thistle
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The main story probably will be game-based.

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But side stuff or minor context may be book stuff.

Imagine Halo: Shadows of Reach

orchid kettle
fair hazel
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Iratus monologing.

empty bloom
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Dinh, you sly dog, you caught him monologuing.

carmine sleet
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I feel like as soon as Iratus started monologing, my Spartan would've tried to pull the plug on a computer or two, just to see if that would cut Iratus off from everything

empty bloom
drowsy mesa
minor sky
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I think my biggest issue with Infinite's story is, oddly enough, one I share with Sonic Frontiers, where the story itself isn't bad but a lot of it could be summed up as "Too much yapping and not enough happening" . Like most of the story progresses by "you do a thing" followed by "a character talks to you for a minute". And there are some great moments of dialogue and character interactions, but thats like 80% of how the plot progresses.

abstract wren
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Well its like 80% of the story in FPS

minor sky
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Fair, but it is a bit repetitive and doesn't quite get things moving much

carmine sleet
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Hey so not sure if anyone has noticed but I just found a reference to a Banished Commander called Calutus in Forge when you look at the Chopper variant

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Anybody else notice this?

unique rune
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That would certainly explain why it’s called the Catulus Chopper

carmine sleet
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Guessing it was something people were confused by then?

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But it is interesting how it's named after him

unique rune
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Seems like it’s been noted on Halopedia at least

carmine sleet
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Ah, that's good

muted nest
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wait hold on a second

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https://www.halopedia.org/UNSC_Infinity
"Infinity's primary armament is four 27 meter bore CR-03, Series-8 magnetic accelerator cannons capable of firing various sub-caliber rounds, cargo packages, and autonomous kill vehicles with specialized payloads."

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it can fire cargo and kill vehicles

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out of its MAC?

empty bloom
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Honestly a novel use of mac systems.

muted nest
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"Heavy weapons inbound! coming in at mach 30!"

empty bloom
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I'd imagine they reduce the payload's velocity.

orchid kettle
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shoot all that tasty grain into orbit, another ship comes by and picks it up

empty bloom
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Battletech did something similar with nickel and iron rich meteors.

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It's where a significant portion of material for orbital shipyards came from.

tropic forge
high fox
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Does anyone know what a Spartans salary is

terse sage
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We don't really know for sure if the II's or III's even got paid

ashen stump
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They where mildly appreciated

empty bloom
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They did. It's how at least one person caught on to them being augmented as kids. Which is a really stupid weakness to have in your accounting for that tbh.

tropic forge
icy yoke
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Spartan IV had lives beside service so they received the salary entitled.
Ii, III. We're from ground up raised by UNSC. Thus had no civil life to go to. Thus I don't think received compensation

tropic forge
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Someone being a little clever and with a little influence was able to put two and two together.

tropic forge
empty bloom
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I dislike incompetent agencies being shown as hypercompetent despite regularly failing at something that mostly works by virtue of being that hush hush.

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Like how two terrorists got into the Spartan program.

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That's like Wagner Group infiltrating the Seals.

livid moat
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To be fair, if you are talking about the Spartan 4's they had been fighting the covenant so long that they assumed the men in the operation for 15+ years wouldn't betray them and they had excellent records and recommendations.

terse sage
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That was mentioned in New Blood. They assumed they'd be loyal after spending up to 30 years fighting side by side against the Covenant

empty bloom
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That's a dumb assumption, tbh.

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For an intelligence agency, assuming people will stay loyal without solving the initial problems that made them opponents in the first place is a significant lack theorof.

orchid kettle
empty bloom
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I get a story needs to happen, but you should formulate your baddy's plan in a way that doesn't make the protags look like complete morons.

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Same reason I hate MJOLNIR testing happening the way it did.

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Like, you can get stakes across without looking like someone who makes the plot of Halo 3 look like some amazing episode of DS9 in writing comparison.

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The drive should be to make your plot plausible within the confines of the universe you have laid out. Anything else makes you a hack.

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And when you tell me ONI castrated any org under your power, and then you fail to do basic screening even the modern USMC could manage with Corporals drinking glow sticks filled with glass, and your entire organization doesn't just seem incompetent, it looks braindead.

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I don't like assuming the reader is a complete drooling idiot who makes Sloth look like a card-carrying Mensa Member, sorry.

orchid kettle
empty bloom
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Which is the issue. i don't think that problem was displayed anywhere near competently enough. Two traitor IVs? Plausible if unlikely. The way they made that happen? Implausible.

orchid kettle
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Stories tend to place heroes in those overwhelming situations where 99% of the time, victory looks impossible. But its a story because the 1% happened. But for the 1% to happen, that's obviously a lot of little things having to come together perfectly, which usually involves the bad guy dropping the ball in some way when victory seemed all but assured.

empty bloom
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The problem is, that doesn't work for a story about enemy infiltration.

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At least not one written by a writer who can competently write that sort ofthing.

orchid kettle
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I mean, I don't really see why not. At least in super broad terms, stories about spies and the like has a lot to do with deception, exploiting flawed human perception.

empty bloom
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Being polite is hard.

orchid kettle
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Of course all things considered, in the context of IVs, I do find it easier to believe a IV defected to the side of the Insurrectionists after the fact

empty bloom
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I don't like assuming the reader is a drooling knuckle-dragger, and to me, making a plot where the protags succeed purely by blind luck is nothing but insulting.

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Or, in this case... Somehow, the antags.

orchid kettle
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I mean, I didn't say "purely".

empty bloom
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The actual method is suspect but the idea itself overall is sound.

orchid kettle
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There's something to explore there, where the Spartans being recruited for their tenacity and strong sense of justice can actually be turned against the UNSC when the Spartan thinks/realizes that the UNSC isn't the good guy

empty bloom
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I decided I'd treat myself with Snoop Dogg Gin.

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So if I'm seeming inebriated

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That's why

orchid kettle
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And from a narrative perspective, I think that's more interesting anyway than just

empty bloom
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"Scruggs was a traitor all along!"

orchid kettle
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"I was an enemy spy all along!"

empty bloom
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Ayy

orchid kettle
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Its also perhaps kinda lame when we just hear about there being another Scruggs-type guy floating around

empty bloom
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NGL

orchid kettle
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Honestly in a timeline where Mickey didn't talk to that bad apple in boot camp, I could see him defecting/deserting eventually anyway

empty bloom
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I was considering prototyping a blender-made comic that is basically Escalation, but with more suspect issues fixed

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Just to make that all fit more right, I guess.

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Maybe encourage bringing people up to speed for Halo 5's place in time, then Infinite's.

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I got pinged

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Why did I get pinged

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WTH

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@orchid kettle explain

terse sage
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I was making a bad joke

empty bloom
terse sage
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ill just do it again

terse sage
empty bloom
wide leaf
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Im curious to know about Linda in Halo CE....

empty bloom
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That's it

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Nothing else is worth noting

wide leaf
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oh okay, I though that was Linda-058?

empty bloom
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It is Linda-058.

unique rune
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What other Linda could even be relevant?

empty bloom
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She is clinically dead and not worth noting during the events of Halo CE as she is in orbit of the Halo array.

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She's not bad or anything, just

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Y'know

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Dead

wide leaf
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Ah okay, its just i thought she was PRESSUMED dead, you know, to go on other missions or something like that?

empty bloom
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Nope.

dusty ferry
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look, she died for a minute then stopped being dead

empty bloom
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And?

hazy shadow
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She survived. Clinicly dead was not the term I remember being used.

tribal trench
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Her heart had stopped shortly before she was put in cryo, meaning that for all intents and purposes, she was dead

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She was put into cryo specifically so that she could be preserved and revived at a later date

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This plan obviously came to fruition

obtuse heart
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yeah considering Halo 5 shows Linda ALIVE, this just shows that The Fall Of Reach and First Strike were canon

carmine sleet
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She got better

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And honestly, that's great because it gave us the moment when she was sniping Banshees one handed while hanging upside down

minor sky
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Big missed opportunity for Halo in not making a Babylon 5/DS9 type show set on Anvil Station.

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(Mostly) joking, even though that would be dope

minor sky
obtuse heart
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Linda was just playing fallout new vegas for a moment

distant socket
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does jun still participate in his role as a spartan-3?

carmine sleet
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Last we heard of Jun, he was recruiting and training Spartan IVs

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Though I imagine that given the fact that the Created ruined the state of the galaxy, he likely would've suited up again in Mjolnir

distant socket
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I hope to see a day(not in a game, any form like comic,novels or anything) of jun fighting the created or fighting with chief

abstract wren
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why with John ? Why always with him ?

carmine sleet
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People just want to see Chief doing everything I guess?

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Like, would it be neat to see Chief meeting Spartan IIIs? Sure but I don't need him in every story

hollow trout
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KELLY

scarlet quiver
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I dont think they will be bringing back any previous characters, with this whole "spiritual reboot". So if they did have Jun fighting along side someone, my hypothesis is that it would be a new character.

minor sky
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I doubt that will be the case unless 343 decides to kill off every other major character (Lasky, Palmer, Halsey, ect.) who was on Infinity

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Jun himself will likely not appear in a mainline game with Chief

upbeat finch
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I have a question, does anyone know how the elite shields work? Cause I'm a bit confused as to how kinetic bullets do damage or pierce through it, does the unsc use armor penetration on their rifles?

orchid kettle
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The UNSC fires AP rounds, yes

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Shields protect you from all damage, but there's only so much punishment they can take before they fail entirely.

carmine sleet
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Think of it as punching through a really strong spider's web. The more punches it takes without the spider to repair it, then eventually the web will be destroyed. But if you drove a car through that strong web, you'd destroy it faster. Just with the energy shields used on Spartan armour and Elite combat harnesses, it's a projected energy field around their bodies

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The Jackal shield gauntlets are similar but instead of the shield being around their bodies, it's specifically shaped into the shields we see them using

upbeat finch
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And I'm guessing that's why the unsc Marines are the underdogs since it takes a lot of firepower to remove an elites shield?

dusty ferry
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yeah

unique rune
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It's a bit inconsistent with how much it actually takes to overload shielding

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It's certainly an advantage that Covenant forces had on the ground, but in some instances it only takes a few bursts of rifle fire to disable them

Most of the time I would think it's stuff like active camouflage systems and inherently stronger and tougher physiology of most (frontline) Covenant client races

upbeat finch
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I know this would sound far fetched but how come in halo wars 1 that elites don't have shields on them, do they get shields based on their rank?

dusty ferry
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they do have shields in the cutscenes and the like

unique rune
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Shielding varies by role and rank to a degree, yeah
Higher ranks have stronger shields and such

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It's not uncommon for Stealth Sangheili to not have shield generators in favor of active camouflage, as seen in CE

upbeat finch
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But I mean do the minor elites have shields?

dusty ferry
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they do

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stealth elites in CE are probably in ancestral armor or something

upbeat finch
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Oh

unique rune
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Though it's entirely possible that some may not have shields due to the messy arrangement of Covenant forces

dusty ferry
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yeah, the arbiter armor from Halo 2-3 is canonically an older version which isn't as good

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so, if someone has older ancestral armor, it might not have shields

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and culturally, elites might actually use that armor due to honor or something. they do this with energy swords occasionally

orchid kettle
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Well Arby has shields, its just his active camo that's not as good

carmine sleet
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The armour being older also doesn't prevent them from modifying and upgrading it, since when we get to Halo 3, Arbiter has a flashlight on his shoulder and his camo seems to be more efficient than it was in Halo 2

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I do have to wonder if Thel's Kaidon armour has active camo though, because I feel it'd make allot of sense for him to keep that just in case

surreal glen
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Is there a reason why the Covenant primarly uses purple color schemes for their vehicles and weaponry?

orchid kettle
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They just think its neat

junior lily
minor sky
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We're we ever given an offical in lore reason for why the Zeta Halo monitors have different designs?

orchid kettle
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Zeta Halo is unique in how it's technically not from the same "batch" as the other six

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so it may be the case that the weird clam-shell monitors of Zeta are because of that

junior lily
unique rune
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I get the feeling they're probably not something specific to the senescent rings either

Just a different pattern of Monitor shell, maybe older or just from a different set of assembly vats

minor sky
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Ik that something like this is probably subject to retcons but that Terminal in CE:A did show all the monitors including Zeta Halo's original monitor, sporting the same marathon-eye chassis as Spark

unique rune
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Or at least it showed six of the seven
Not really sure if we know exactly which ones

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I think at least three of them are confirmed for sure?

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Or it seems to just be 049 and 343 that we know for absolute certain which is which. The others are unknown.

minor sky
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Exuberant Witness also had a similar design

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Anyway

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I find it interesting how the dialogue from this earlier script made the Didact's reawakening and the Covenant's modivations a bit more clear

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Him being reawakened and thinking the Elites woke him up, and the Elites or specifically Jul I think saying they "came seeking enlightenment", followed by the Didact realizing it was Chief who woke him up again

gusty star
vernal shoal
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A couple days ago I started the Halo books over and am reading in release order instead of chronological and is anyone else annoyed that in Fall of Reach Nylund seems to screw up the timeline? There are several places where he makes reference to when the Spartan-II's were abducted or "procured" and says "25 years ago". Which makes no sense because this is in 2552. 25 years ago at that time is 2527. The Spartans were in their mid teens and already operational in 2527. The Spartans first arrived on Reach as children in 2517 which is 35 years not 25. Anyway, I know it's not that big of a deal but it just triggers me lol. It's like no one proofread the book before it was published haha

carmine sleet
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The book was released back in 2001

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Nobody had any idea on if the first game was gonna be popular back then

unique rune
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Also I feel like we’re missing a little bit of context for this whole “procured” thing
I don’t have a copy of TFOR immediately on hand but it may not necessarily be referring to when they were abducted

Or Nylund might’ve just used 25 years as an approximation since they entered service around that time

scarlet hinge
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when i say the first world war happened a century ago, i don't literally mean it happened 100 years ago

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i use it as a shorthand because i'm socially aware enough to know that in most contexts, no one cares that it was actually 105-109 years ago

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it's not something you need to take super literally

orchid kettle
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People often say that the Covenant war lasted 30 years as well, even when it's really 27 or 28

vernal shoal
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Those explanations would be fine and dandy if the heading of each chapter wasn't labeled with the date and time that the chapter was starting.

orchid kettle
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Doesn't that just reinforce the idea that Nylund knows what the timeline is

scarlet hinge
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again, if it's written from the perspective of a character in-universe, they're probably not going "oh actually 🤓 it was 27 years ago that i was abucted as a child"

hell, i just say i left school 10 years ago now because i generally can't be bothered trying to remember which year it was i finished and how long it's been

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i don't think it's that big a deal

orchid kettle
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because the objective chapter heading is making the statement, instead of a character's fallible narration

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Because Halo is generally written from third-person limited perspective, which is basically just first person in how the narration is colored by the perspective character

scarlet hinge
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^^^

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the narration isn't omniescient, and something described in the text is filtered through the perspective of that character

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it's not objectively true fact like the chapter titles or whatever are

vernal shoal
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No, i left out the exact context so I can see the confusion. Approximations make sense in some instances but the parts of the book I am referring to, the characters SPECIFICALLY are referencing when the children were conscripted and brought to Reach (internal monologues, not actual dialog). Which was a full 10 years earlier than what is written. That's a big gap of time to approximate. It just doesn't make sense because the instances I am referencing are pointing to such a specific time

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Like I said in my original message.. it really isn't that big of a deal. It just feels weird to read a passage that is talking about when the children were first conscripted and the timeline is a full decade off lol

scarlet hinge
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otherwise, just as a general broad point, FoR was written in six weeks so it's just very rushed in general

vernal shoal
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holy crap, I didn't know that lol That's a pretty quick turnaround

scarlet hinge
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it was also done at a time when the full story of the then-upcoming game and the backstory for the setting as a whole were in flux

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at the time, Bungie didn't quite see eye-to-eye with the Microsoft Story Group, and weren't too happy that a book was being written at all

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for them, there were a bunch of new writers being forced onto their creative work and making major (and generally unwanted) changes

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for instance, the name John-117 came from Eric Trautmann - and the active rejection of that name is why Bungie ended up coming up with Master Chief

vernal shoal
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Well that makes me wonder if the Chapter headings were added during or after the main bulk of the story was written. Because if the chapter headers that stated the date and time were added as it was being written, that still seems like a weird oversight haha. I'll just continue pretending the years referenced are correct 😂

carmine sleet
scarlet hinge
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inspired by James Bond, they initially went for "the Commander" - until Robert McLees pointed out that an officer wouldn't be going into combat like you do in the game

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because of that they looked up the highest enlisted rank they could find in the Navy, and settled on Master Chief Petty Officer

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some reports have also suggested Microsoft pitched in at one point and suggested they changed it to "the Commando", which was heartily rejected

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it wouldn't surprise me if, without outside interference, he just went nameless like the Rookie or Noble Six or Mjolnir Recon 54 or [Guardian]

carmine sleet
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I remember hearing about "The Commando" being a suggestion

scarlet hinge
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it was mentioned in one of the old 343 Sparkasts

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wouldn't surprise me though if there was some misremembering and conflation with the 007 Commander thing going on though

orchid kettle
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Yeah it seems like the point of Bungie protags is that they don't have a name

carmine sleet
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And Mjolnir Recon 54 is the guy from the original Marathon, right? I'll admit I don't know too much about that game

orchid kettle
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Because its you, player

scarlet hinge
carmine sleet
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Roger that

scarlet hinge
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also referred to as the cyborg or the security officer

orchid kettle
scarlet hinge
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navy

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not marines

orchid kettle
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I mean, in the context of making CE

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why is he navy

scarlet hinge
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they were probably inspired by the SEALs, in terms of special forces

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according to google james bond is a navy man too, so it tracks given they were copying him

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was gonna paste a screenshot but can't

orchid kettle
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I guess that makes sense

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I honestly wonder what Bungie's explanation was for Chief being referred to as "the hushed casket" in the opening level, as if waking him up was some desperate last resort

empty bloom
orchid kettle
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There's apparently hints in both Marathon and Destiny that the player character is a bit of a soul-less killing machine

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And I wonder if that trend existed in CE

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I mean obviously Spartans are real good at killing, but even Chief in Fall of Reach and First Strike appears to have great remorse whenever a human is unnecessarily harmed, even a human that's an enemy of the UNSC

empty bloom
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Though

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Actually

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That hushed casket part wouldn't have been Bungie I don't think

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That would've been the MS dudes who wrote CE's story for them based off of minimal story notes

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Like, it's possible.

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But I dunno.

orchid kettle
minor sedge
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Guys, does anyone know where to find out about the events between Halo 5 and Halo Infinity?

carmine sleet
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Halo Bad Blood, Halo Shadows of Reach, Halo Rubicon Protocol and the upcoming novel Halo Outcasts cover some of the events, with Bad Blood specifically being the events right after and Rubicon Protocol covering what happened to the Spartans that you can find the bodies of in the campaign of Infinite

hollow blade
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What the hell is Halo infinite story supposed to be about.

abstract wren
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What is this question ? What do you mean by it

empty bloom
hollow blade
hollow blade
vale mountain
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I just found out that the didact was confirmed to be alive in a coloring book

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Why are there important lore details in coloring book

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This should be the last place anybody would expect a revelation that a character thought to be dead was actually alive

vale mountain
hollow blade
vale mountain
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Kinda

hollow blade
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why didn’t infinite follow 5?

vale mountain
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Because people don't like halo 5

hollow blade
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That’s dumb.

vale mountain
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Halo infinite isn't a sequel to halo 5, it's a sequel to several books

hollow blade
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Okay see that’s where I think they should stop. Because I’m not much of a reader and from someone who has played every Halo they shouldn’t follow books.

vale mountain
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343 loves doing this

hollow blade
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I can’t keep up with a story that goes off of books bro

vale mountain
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The spartan 4s were from a book

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The didact is from a book

hollow blade
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What’s that?

vale mountain
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The bad guy in halo 4

hollow blade
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Been forever since I played that. I don’t remember.

vale mountain
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The only way for you to know why he did anything was by reading books

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The only time Bungie required you to read books was so you'd know who doctor Halsey is

empty bloom
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IVs were primarily introduced in Halo 4.

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They may've shown up a tiny bit in a book beforehand but 4 was the main big look.

hollow blade
empty bloom
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Cringe

hollow blade
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Halsey was such a badass bro

hollow blade
empty bloom
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Bungie returning and Halsey

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Both cringe tbh

vale mountain
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There are so many plot threads in 343s games that only make sense if you read books

hollow blade
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and Halsey was cool asl?

empty bloom
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American Sign Language

hollow blade
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???

empty bloom
vale mountain
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They maked the green guy not speak

empty bloom
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Green guy no speak good

hollow blade
empty bloom
vale mountain
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Unlike the cool omega Chad 343 who loves hearing the sound of master chief petty officer 117 talking in his manly masculine voice

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Yeah you're supposed to despise her

hollow blade
vale mountain
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She committed crimes against humanity

vale mountain
hollow blade
hollow blade
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I liked it when he didn’t speak as much.

vale mountain
hollow blade
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Only spoke when needed

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and had cool badass line

hollow blade
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They had something injected

vale mountain
hollow blade
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I remember something from nightfall

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Or it was something on Netflix idk

hollow blade
vale mountain
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None of them got to live a normal life because she wanted to fight rebels

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The only spartan that got to live a somewhat normal life was sgt Johnson

empty bloom
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Johnson was an adult when he was augmented.

vale mountain
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And he was still a spartan

empty bloom
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And Orion/S-I's weren't given the same augs as S-IIs.

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Presumably, S-Is who weren't crippled by their augs over time lived similarly good lives.

vale mountain
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They died

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Of death

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Death related illnesses

abstract wren
vale mountain
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This is not true

empty bloom
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It kinda just wasn't concluded at all, really.

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In books or in games.

abstract wren
vale mountain
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Halo would never leave something unresolved

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This isn't assassin's creed

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Halo would never do abandon something that didn't work

empty bloom
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Halo fans would never sarcastically claim things.

vale mountain
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This is true

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Thank you for bringing it up

obsidian thistle
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I will say Halo doesnt leave stuff unresolved... more they leave em as threads that they (or authors) can choose to pull as the time comes! Just means stuff may take nearly a decade to come back again.

abstract wren
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Well Halo 5 is unresolved (or badly resolved with Cortana for exemple)

empty bloom
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A decade is a pretty unacceptable wait by most modern standards.

orchid kettle
#

which presumably led to books and other pieces of extended material, previously supplemental, becoming necessary to understand the story

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and I guess yeah-- even a coloring book

abstract wren
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what coloring book ??

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You don't even know what you're talking about...

empty bloom
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It was an actual thing lmao

empty bloom
abstract wren
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Just like any coloring book... what's the problem ?

empty bloom
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You just said you didn't know what the coloring book was, so I was just showing it.

abstract wren
unborn ice
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i believe there's short blurbs in the coloring book that are actually canon

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including the didact detail

obsidian thistle
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I'd say the stuff is more stylistic snapshots into canon.

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Not vital by any means

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Nothing important was in that coloring book.

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Nothing new by any means

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@vale mountain for the record. Everything in the coloring book already has a pre-existing source.

The only new stuff was very miscellaneous stuff like Johnson visiting Hotel Zanzibar (makes sense when ya think about it), the Didact thinking of his wife while he was in the domain (we already knew he was in the domain).

Stuff like that!

rotund leaf
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New colouring book just dropped

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You gotta get a new app to use it tho

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It’s the halo waypoint colouring book app™️

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$9.99 a month 👍

boreal bane
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🤨

last anchor
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Usual crank, presumably

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Hurry the heck up Outcasts Im running out of stuff to read. I cant find a copy of Infinite and the Divine anywhere and we got no Season 4 cutscenes

pale zenith
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so how many of the infinity are still alive

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assuming chief rescued everyone he cud

empty bloom
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Anywhere between like 2 people and the entire remaining crew compliment.

pale zenith
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id say that means at least hundreds?

empty bloom
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They're all dead.

pale zenith
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and maybe lasky rallied more?

empty bloom
#

Like

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Dude

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We don't know

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And they won't tell us for a while.

pale zenith
#

: (

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ig its possible for 343 to jus kill lasky

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be kinda lame tho

empty bloom
#

Yep.

tribal trench
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doubtful

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he’s a fan favorite

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at most they’d kill him on screen like Bungie did with Johnson

orchid kettle
#

To be fair, if they changed their minds about killing Locke, I doubt they'd kill the other movie/short series protag who's generally more liked within the fandom

tribal trench
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I’ve just had a thought

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On the AMG Transport Dynamics wiki page - the company that makes light armoured vehicles for the UNSC - it says that they make warthogs, and “civilian vehicles” called the “Capri” and the “Hog”

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The hog is what is always being referred to in Halo Infinite, not “warthog”

scarlet hinge
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wat

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the 'hog is just the golden warthog like in H2A forge

empty bloom
#

I'm genuinely surprised there hasn't been a civilianhog coating in Infinite yet.

last anchor
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Give it time, it'll come.

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Maybe when we finally get proper models for em that arent just extra bits stapled on.

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Warthog Technical; a civilian Hog with an HMG stapled to the back

empty bloom
carmine sleet
unique rune
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Civvie Hog owners must be some of the most insufferable and insecure people ever

empty bloom
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They own a car as big as a semi, so problably

orchid kettle
#

really is the Halo Humvee

empty bloom
#

I do kinda wish Infinite had a stronger effort at being a 'catchall' for all the cool stuff Halo's had over the years, but I get that takes time and effort that can't reasonably be expended.

orchid kettle
#

I wonder if a Jackrabbit is street legal

empty bloom
#

Like, screw it, bring in a Spectre.

orchid kettle
#

It looks like they were planning to

empty bloom
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Give me a sandbox with a Spectre and a Prowler, a Mantis, both flavors of Scorpion, driveable Locusts

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Rockets and Pilums and Railguns and Splasers

orchid kettle
#

There's a wreckage of a vehicle in-game that only appears intact in concept art, and its called a "War-Skiff"

empty bloom
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Screw it, add the Compliance Protocol sword as a useable weapon

orchid kettle
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which is more like a description of what it is rather than its cool Halo name

empty bloom
#

Make it act just like a bloodblade

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Disintegrates people

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I don't really get why the bloodblade is called a bloodblade though.

orchid kettle
#

I think its mentioned in Rubicon Protocol too

unique rune
#

Every day the M808B2 Sun Devil is not a playable unit in a Halo title I am sad

empty bloom
#

It's colored like human blood, not Sangheili.

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And if any version of the energy sword drew actual blood, it would've been the old Mdama's Covenant one.

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(They canonically underpowered their energy swords so that they would cause the enemy to bleed instead of cauterizing the wound fully)

orchid kettle
#

Rhino stans where we at

empty bloom
#

Colossus

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Jerome's Mantis

dusty ferry
empty bloom
#

Grizzly

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Hell, that cut Halo CE tank

dusty ferry
#

make the baselard show up

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who cares, make it the weirdest choices possible

unique rune
#

I miss all the Sangheili vehicles from H5

orchid kettle
#

Im still sad to learn that apparently the Grizzly isn't that good in Halo Wars' pvp

dusty ferry
#

yeah, same with the sparrowhawk if i remember correctly

last anchor
#

Its in Rubicon Protocol too

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The War Skiff

fair hazel
#

Heian! Heian!

carmine sleet
#

Indeed!

empty bloom
#

Like some absolute nutcase decided that making the standard AA AFV into an IS AFV/Tank was a good idea.

empty bloom
#

"Where Mjolnir can offer protection to a Spartan operating in compromised conditions such as these, OSTEO-derived technologies maximize life maintenance effectiveness for extended periods, providing more optimized solutions for a wider range of suitable operators—including non-augmented military and civilian personnel."

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Yep

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Exactly what got said a ton about Hazmat lmao

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"WHAT WAS CANON/NOT CANON IN PRECIPICE?

Technically speaking, all of this Story Shard is canonical.

Each part begins with words from former-“Governor” Sloan in the “present,” reflecting on the state of the Created and certain discoveries he has made (such as Iratus and the Assembly).

In three of the four parts, that is followed by a simulation experienced by the Executor. The actual events of these simulations are not canonical, but the simulation itself is indeed happening which reflects certain areas of the Halo universe that readers may be familiar with.

The simulations were marked by the line “LOAD FRACTURE SIMULATION,” but Part 3 notably did not have this because it is a conversation between two AIs happening entirely in-universe."

spiral jewel
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It's nice getting created lore in our year of 2023

unique rune
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So an Executor does exist. Good to know.

empty bloom
#

It makes me the excited.

fair hazel
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At his has him

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At how

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At his

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Athos

empty bloom
#

What on earth

unique rune
#

That's just uh... erickyboo typing. He's always been a little bit prone to weird mistypes.

empty bloom
#

Interesting.

distant socket
#

did captain lasky survive halo infinite or did he die off-screen/indirectly, heavily referenced

carmine sleet
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Unknown but there is hope Lasky survived

pale zenith
#

maybe missing a limb or so

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prob with palmer

hazy shadow
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Lasky and Palmer... That could work.

empty bloom
#

That said, Palmer and Lasky have good odds on being seperated. Palmer and Lasky were seperated by most of the Infinity when she went down.

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We know Lasky got off the ship, but we have no idea if he made it ringside. And for Palmer, her last known whereabouts were on the Infinity coordinating a defense effort.

pale zenith
#

if they're in completely diff spots

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u'd have "reencounter h4/h5 characters"

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for multiple locations

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game resources wise, too expensive/repetitive

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even if it'd make perfect realistic sense

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like how the open world is quite smol realistically

valid plume
#

arbiter mother isn’t answering all that she sees

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Answering that letter was like asking me yo do the reversal hypecat

boreal bane
#

Stop spamming emoji please

valid plume
#

Ok im slow down

boreal bane
#

No, don't slow down. Stop

carmine sleet
#

I do think it is a shame he didn't appear at all though, one of my few issues in the Infinite campaign honestly

valid plume
#

Oh :/

empty bloom
#

I have many issues with Infinite's story.

valid plume
#

I understand you

last anchor
#

Heres hoping we get more for it at SOME point and its not just...vanished.

little sinew
#

What you guys think will happen to the arbiter in halo infinite?

obsidian thistle
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Halo: Outcasts will hopefully answer stuff!

abstract wren
#

not really its before Infinite

orchid kettle
#

The Banished turned him into a marketable plushie and left him at the top of a mountain

carmine sleet
last anchor
#

Getting some sweet aweet BBQ

carmine sleet
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I hope so

empty bloom
abstract wren
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So its not in Infinite...

fair hazel
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The arbiter is not in halo infinite.

carmine sleet
#

I don't think we'll be seeing him show up on Zeta Halo ever

abstract wren
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Don't think we'll ever go to Zeta ever again too XD not until some years for us at least

little sinew
#

I thought the war against the created was over... You think maybe they got attacked first by the banished?

abstract wren
#

The Banished didn't had enough power to defeat the Created. They used the same tactict of the UNSC as far as we know : hit and run, lots of running

valid plume
grave pollen
#

Wot is the endless

last anchor
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No clue yet.

grave pollen
#

Wish they did some story dlcs

empty bloom
little sinew
little sinew
empty bloom
#

Turns out, immortality is an amazing bargaining chip to someone who lives for a shorter amount of time than brain maturation in humans.

distant socket
#

also, what is the status of the banished, and are they able to match the created?

unique rune
#

The Banished are… around. And considering what remains of the Created still have some degree of control over Forerunner technology…

empty bloom
#

Logically, the Created should still be the big dogs in spite of balkanization.

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IMO.

dusty ferry
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yet they somehow don't fully control UNSC space, let alone the rest of the relevant galaxy

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probably because plot or something

distant socket
#

this is kinda depressing, the UNSC just defeated the covenant, and then have to fight off covenant remnants, and not too long after the created too

empty bloom
#

Overcorrection is a cruel mistress.

distant socket
#

how is humanity going to win though

dusty ferry
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plot

distant socket
#

like against the remains of the created

empty bloom
#

By surviving.

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Joining.

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the Created do, at their core, have the best interests of sapiens at heart.

distant socket
#

isnt the UNSC just fragmented now

empty bloom
#

Yes.

minor sky
#

After asking if she could be shown what is hidden beyond the Gateway, the Warden told her to slumber and embrace the void of silence, lest he be forced to break her. Cortana's fragment asserted that she cannot be broken easily for she is as strong as Roland's legendary sword, Durandal

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Ok, as much as I don't like the "Evil-Cortana" plotline, I'll give them credit

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That is a cool little nod to both her name sake and Marathon

minor sky
#

Also man, we have like, no real lore on the Warden past what did in Guardians

unique rune
minor sky
#

Imagine having a proper outline of events for your new trilogy of games

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This occured to me a few days ago and its been kinda nagging at me-
They had Buck, a character known to be werry of ONI and their agents, be on a team lead by a (former) ONI operative and they didn't do anything with that

tribal trench
#

once you marry a spook, your perspectives change a little

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side note, did Dare ever become a spartan?

minor sky
#

Yes I believe so

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Tbf, Buck and Dare get Married after Halo 5 iirc

dense falcon
#

I don't remember her ever being mentioned for the Spartan program

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In fact I remember she was still an ONI agent during Shadows of Reach, receiving intel from Fred.

unique rune
# minor sky Imagine having a proper outline of events for your new trilogy of games

I mean the thing is I think 343 might’ve had something of the sort at one point
Like some of Halo 4’s cut dialogue seems oddly consistent with Halo 5’s Created uprising

So I’m a bit curious if that was the plan the whole time, but stuff got changed and various things got thrown out due to “feedback”
Because 343 or Microsoft seem to react poorly to that and shove plot threads into story purgatory/hell as a result

orchid kettle
#

which is perhaps why Tanaka says "Wow Osiris, we sure came a long way" in the final game

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when, as is, that line doesn't really make sense unless she's referring to literally the physical distance they have crossed to reach the end of the campaign

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Honestly Locke being a former ONI naughty boi in general kinda fell flat for me, since in both of his appearances, he's already at the point in his development where he's an uncomplicated good guy

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and you don't really hear about how he was one naughty boi aside from I guess suggesting that the Arbiter be assassinated

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I dunno, even a character like Romeo apparently popped a man's head open in the middle of said man hugging his daughter

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which sounds more brutal and amoral than anything Locke had been confirmed to have done, at least as far as Im aware

empty bloom
empty bloom
#

During A9's augmentation procedures and initial deployments she maintained long range contact with Buck.

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Also violated opsec a few times which just tells me Halo has no opsec.

last anchor
#

Cortana did mention the Covies on 04 were running tac data on unencrypted channels so

orchid kettle
#

They did not expect Humanity to understand their holy language

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of Wort Wort Wort

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There's also just this idea in early Halo that the Covenant may have great technology, but they don't really know how to use it to its fullest potential

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they're cavemen with laser guns, I guess

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which isn't exactly a world building detail I like, but I guess on some level you have to explain why humanity can put up any fight at all

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and I guess that explanation was that while we may be weak and frail compared to the average Covenant species-- apparently we're the brainiacs of the galaxy

empty bloom
#

They know encryption, but apparently insider threats are something they're just completely blind to

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Like, you aren't really supposed to tell someone in a unit that said unit is under investigation for a sus imposter. It can mess things up for the investigative team.

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I saw Innie Spartan vent in the wargames sim!

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Well, not everyone would be blind, Instructors and military side leadership would absolutely know.

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Like, if a member of the IV class at AJJAMS was suspected and the class was under investigation, Agryna would absolutely 100% know that the class is under investigation.

minor sky
minor sky
minor sky
foggy verge
#

They’re supposed to be seasoned professionals but yet can’t get along for some reason? Only good IV’s before Infinite were Thorne and…I think that’s all I can remember

orchid kettle
#

I mean, conflict is the very essence of stories

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And conflicts manifest in ways often more personal and revealing than just like, some bad guy wanting to shoot a big laser into/from the sky

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It's kinda why I enjoy Alpha-Nine over any other group

foggy verge
#

Yeah, but contrived conflict just doesn’t make sense. Especially for Spartans.

You gotta remember that by the time you become a IV, you should already have a lot of experience with special teams and such. Almost mandatory to have been an ODST prior to being a IV

orchid kettle
#

I like that they're a bit dysfunctional, how they butt heads, but ultimately they have each other's backs

orchid kettle
#

Not exactly what Id call a conflict aversed group

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Which I dunno, is what I like about them, in contrast to the stoic, perfect Spartan IIs

foggy verge
#

I much prefer the II’s over the IV’s because of that

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Dealt with Rangers in real life while I was in the Army and outside of their intended roles they were some absolute degenerates. Meanwhile, every Green Beret I met was indeed a stoic, silent professional so I guess they did know what they were doing when they made the IV’s mostly jugheaded morons

orchid kettle
#

Its kinda just a matter of writing the IVs as characters more so than the very idea that some of them are jerks

foggy verge
#

I’d say crass and unprofessional more than jerks

unique rune
#

I mean. You can have professionals that just… don’t like each other. And then the whole character arc ends up then being that they’ll put their differences aside to do the right thing to save the day, etc etc

orchid kettle
#

Its about exploring why they're a jerk, what being a jerk is really a cover for, and all that

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but if the exploration just ends at "they're a jerk"

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audiences naturally arent gonna get too invested

foggy verge
#

But you didn’t really see that with any of the IV’s in-game. Idk about the books cause I don’t read much of the new stuff save for Shadows of Reach once, but in-game they were reckless, overly emotional, and downright unbecoming of their station at times in the ways they were being depicted during Spartan Ops, for example.

orchid kettle
#

I mean yeah, that's a big reason people aren't crazy about them

foggy verge
#

Osiris Team was different and better, for sure

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But I also think that’s because they were actually professionals

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Buck was a grizzled ODST squad leader

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Locke was an ONI assassin

orchid kettle
#

People like them a bit better in Rubicon Protocol, I think because its just human nature to be invested in the character's survival when they endure hardships and survive horrible situations

foggy verge
#

It was actually touching to see the IV’s being useful for once and go down in a way that brings respect to the Spartan legacy. They haven’t had to earn **** since being introduced, and I don’t even think Palmer has had a valid reason brought up yet for being so hard on the Chief.

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Even in Shadows of Reach, they try to say it’s because Chief went off to find Cortana, but then it isn’t brought up that Chief has saved the galaxy by his lonesome several times over by this point, so if he needed to go and do something it should be given more consideration.

unique rune
#

I mean I feel like saying that he saved the galaxy on his own is a bit... much. Pretty much every time he's done it is with considerable friendly support.

Most of the time it was because of everything Cortana was doing, he was only necessary because she physically couldn't pull the trigger.

orchid kettle
#

Cortana doesn't get credit

unique rune
#

I'm starting to think she had a point

orchid kettle
#

anymore than Chief's MA5B rifle

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in the average citizen's eyes I guess, he just had a lot of good tools

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but he was still The Guy

#

Girl was at the award ceremony and Hood gave Keyes' daughter a medal before her

valid plume
#

Omg

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This difficulty

valid plume
#

Had to tell her “they” might not even exist 😞

carmine sleet
#

???

fair hazel
empty bloom
#

The day people stop blowing one line out of the water to the point of forgetting that she has a damn good reason to be mad at him in Halo Shadows of Reach is the day my own personal hell will freeze over.

pale zenith
#

But it’s also an odd choice

foggy verge
pale zenith
#

Given chiefs achievements ya bit odd

empty bloom
#

It's one sentence and ODSTs weren't exactly known for having the best cander.

pale zenith
#

Not saying it needed senpai status

foggy verge
#

And Palmer has zero room to be pissy with Chief when she caused a lot of crap herself with her stunt against Halsey.

empty bloom
#

Oh god no, Halsey's hit was a justified mark.

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Palmer was literally following valid orders.

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Halsey had just been caught, red-handed, aiding and abetting an enemy force that was an active and continuous terrorist threat and active and continuous hostile.

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Her later comic showing where she didn't dent in Halsey's skull when she had the chance is still weird, though.

foggy verge
#

I’ll rewatch the scene right now and admit being dumb and big mouthed if she never was told to abandon the order, but I’m fairly certain she was told not to act on those orders but did anyways cause she had beef with Halsey

pale zenith
#

I feel capture wud make more sense

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Than killing

empty bloom
#

He tells her not to, but he is outranked by CINCONI, IE Osman.

#

If anyone there was not following lawful orders, it was Lasky. His heart's in the right place, but the situation looked really, really bad at a glance.

foggy verge
pale zenith
#

H4 Halsey was a bit too mad sciency

empty bloom
#

Yes, I'm aware, I watched the video. That's how I know Lasky is in the wrong and Palmer is in the right.

pale zenith
#
  • egghead insults, idk kinda tropey
empty bloom
#

I don't need to watch it again.

foggy verge
#

I feel vindicated watching Palmer have a tantrum while Thorne - objectively the best IV - is professional and to the point

empty bloom
#

Eh, I get why she's so mad.

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She problably assumed they were there to help, and outright cost her the mission she had.

#

I'd be pretty angry too if some random guy dumped gasoline and lit fire to an engine I was fixing.

foggy verge
#

And naw, Osmin and Palmer are both morons. Killing Halsey was a dumb move and motivated by Osmins hatred for Halsey.

Really wild you’re over here practically drooling over them both but forgetting that Osmin has a LOT of personal incentive to kill Halsey, and apparently so does Palmer

pale zenith
#

ya it’s a bit messy

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Palmer I don’t blame

empty bloom
#

"Drooling"?

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Dude, you don't have to stoop to asanine attempts at degrading my argument by saying I'm drooling over not being a terrorist sympathizer.

#

That's just churlish.

#

Killing Halsey is a valid target and act, but certainly hasty and certainly motivated.

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Especially given the context of Halsey's escape, Palmer's got a looooot of reason at that specific point to want Halsey dead, even if she wasn't disgusted by IIs.

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And I don't imagine Palmer would've jumped to killing Halsey if she wasn't directly ordered to do so.

foggy verge
#

Palmer is a commander of some sort and acts like a child when something doesn’t go her way. She’s absolutely to blame. If that’s how she handles stressful situations in front of her subordinates, she really doesn’t have much fortitude to be leading.

And I’m not degrading your argument. I can see the logic in it and it’s apparent - from my side of things - you believe that there is merit to her following orders from someone who outranks Lasky and the mess-ups Halsey did along the way to warrant her execution.

Halsey is indeed a war criminal. I’m not going to argue that one with you cause that would be dumb and I agree with that sentiment

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Again, though, you have two officers who are getting personally involved - personally in this sense being they are emotionally committed to this thing playing out and have stakes involved in killing her - and not thinking about the ramifications of killing the genius behind their most elite equipment and technological advances and really only considering the short-term of “she’s a ^^^^^ and I want her dead”. We also see first hand that officers can screw it hard when Del Rio is consistently antagonistic to the Chief, dismissive of him the entire game, and gives orders that nearly cost the UNSC Earth. Had Lasky and Chief not disobeyed Del Rio, Halo 5 and Infinite would have had a completely different story to it

empty bloom
#

Eh. I'd blow the greatest mind of our generation's brains out the back of his head if he decided to join the taliban.

#

Granted, Halsey had an ulterior motive all along-but it's not something Palmer or Osman knew at the time.

#

Hell, even Lasky didn't know, he just found it suspicious.

foggy verge
#

Just beat me to the punch on that one

#

But Osmin and Palmer both had personal reasons to see her assassination out. If they weren’t seedy, crummy, abhorrent officers, they would have acknowledged that they were not the best people to decide on the matter and involved their adjacent command to determine what the best course of action was. They should not have had any final say in what happened to her.

empty bloom
#

Osman's literally the leader of ONI. It's kind of hard to lean on another command when you're effectively at the top short of Hood.

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And I highly doubt another leader would actually say Osman is being unreasonable regardless of the fact it's Halsey or not considering what they knew before Thorne's intervention.

#

Like, I'm not saying Osman's not being unreasonable and hasty, but they had absolutely minimal indication that Halsey was doing it out of her misguided sense of ends justified the means until the evidence was literally tossed into a Spartan's hands.

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And frankly, on Halsey's half, she was effectively an indentured servant-she had a very strong motivation to go traitor anyways, but her allegience was to the species, not her own anger.

unique rune
#

Palmer is a commander of some sort and acts like a child when something doesn’t go her way.
I feel like this really isn't something that's weird for the Halo universe, let alone even the UNSC.
We've had like, Col. James Ackerson ordering a nearly impossible test for 117 and Cortana in the Mk.V armor practically designed to kill them just because he was still resentful of Halsey and the Spartan-II program. And even before that he created the Spartan-III program in no small part just to one-up Halsey.

Plus there's also SgtMaj. Antonio Silva who continued to have beef with 117 and the Spartans over an incident from nearly 30 years ago in The Flood

empty bloom
#

It's not even as uncommon as I'd like to admit IRL, the stakes are just lower here.

foggy verge
#

She has to have her own cabinet. Everyone with command essentially does, military or not. If not a cabinet, surely someone she can trust.

And if another leader does, then fair enough. But that’s the issue, isn’t it? She didn’t communicate with anyone and just made a decision on a VERY important matter that she is extremely biased in by herself without getting feedback from anyone. She’s in a unique boat: no one has screwed Osman over (just realized I’ve been spelling her name wrong this entire time) quite like Halsey has…pretty difficult to do given she set the bar high lmao. She would absolutely require oversight on that if she was being honest to the station she held.

empty bloom
#

Oversight or not, I just can't see a scenario where they don't agree that she's taking a very valid course of action from their shoes or hers.

#

At most they'd say dead or alive, preferred alive.

#

Denial in either form.

foggy verge
#

But she never let that play out. Because of her personal beef and history with her, it is almost necessary for her to do if we are talking about her being a responsible and sane character.

#

And because she didn’t do that one specific thing, I can’t believe any sort of justification that the order was warranted because she most definitely did it for personal reasons.

#

Halsey getting killed would have been to serve her ego more than the benefit of humanity

empty bloom
#

Humanity's survival wasn't at stake in Osman's mind and it wouldn't have been if it was Glassman who did it.

#

A rogue agent is a rogue agent.

foggy verge
empty bloom
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Eh, Ackerson actually seemed rather competent given his situations. Enough to be celebrated as a war hero when he passed.

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His hatred of Halsey, on the other hand, well, I get that, because she snubbed a lot of people in her tenure.

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Trying to kill John over it was absolutely unreasonable to do based on that hatred, but his decision to dedicate to a new Spartan Program is actually a pretty reasonable plan of attack, even if it wasn't the best idea to basically copy and improve Halsey's idea.

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Little of column A, a little of column B on him.

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Silvia, on the other hand, was a deranged nutcase who was good at surviving, but not all that good at reasoning or considering other avenues.

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Had a freaking sweet mustache though.

foggy verge
# empty bloom Humanity's survival wasn't at stake in Osman's mind and it wouldn't have been if...

Halsey is absolutely worth more alive than dead. No one has a brain like hers and everyone knows it. If she was just 100% committed to going traitor, then sure, boolet is the best option. But that would absolutely be the last choice I’d make if I could recapture her and figure out wtf is going on.

Her dying would mean development of MJOLNIR and other systems crucial to UNSC and SPARTAN development would be lost. Mk. VII certainly would not have been built, and that was a very massive improvement for the SPARTAN-IV’s.

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Survival of the human race may not have been at the beginning of that train of logic, but surely at the end, if not human supremacy, which is what ONI is shooting for

empty bloom
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Mark VII was already in prototype by that date and likely would've already started a rollout by 2559, considering it was common enough to be mass deployed by 2560.

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Her assistance might have occurred before she went under Jul's lens, considering the time frame.

foggy verge
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And Ackerson was just as bad as Halsey, if not a little worse cause his motivation was career progression. At least Halsey had the silver lining of “we need to care for these children we abducted and give them the most amount of respect we can.” Ackerson basically saw the war orphans he recruited as cattle for his super cool military project that would launch him higher in his Army career

empty bloom
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Sometimes personal ambition and what can be construed as necessity go hand in hand.

foggy verge
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Sure, I’m not one to put a guy down for wanting to better himself. But what he was doing was abhorrent and vile - so was the SPARTAN-II project - and he had essentially no conscious about it.

empty bloom
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Yep.

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I'm sure the project also furthered along the evolution of augmentation procedures alongside whatever ONI was doing. I always took Halsey's hatred of IVs as being very similar to her motivation for disliking the IIIs initially.

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On that note.

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Other people making more pragmatic evolutions to her work rankling her despite being objectively and morally better ideas.

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Not that IIIs were better morally, but more Spartans was objectively better for what they got used for.

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IIs experienced issues with deployment because they were so scarce and it hurt way more to lose one, IIIs lessened that issue, IVs effectively nullified it by comparison to either.

foggy verge
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To your point about VII, I overspoke on her involvement as it says in the lore for the helmet that it was “created with input from Halsey herself.” So yeah, they probably could have pushed it out without her help. Maybe to a point where it wasn’t as strong as it is now, but they would’ve done that regardless.

foggy verge
empty bloom
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It did get retconned a bit so that even the mass groups actually were deployed in multiple missions before the ones that ultimately killed them.

foggy verge
empty bloom
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Since GoO came out, at the very least. It was mentioned long enough ago to be in a Bungie.net site.

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Operation Cartwheel was one of several.

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Ackerson's behavior towards it was unbearably cavalier and never changed (In fact, it's something Kurt was actively fighting against the entire time), but they did get more bang out of their buck. And even shaving what seems to be about 5% off the top towards headhunter or Noble style ops seems to have assuaged at least some of the concerns with II losses.

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Not all, but frankly, even one additional Spartan-tier team in the HCW would be a godsend for some random command.

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I still find it amusing that Kurt's little solution to Gamma Company's losses was to essentially make them rage bombs when they died, considering how little that aug would really do to help them actually live.

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Less of an assist to help them survive a fight but more to just make them at least kill whatever killed them, short of a warship.

foggy verge
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If I recall correctly, wasn’t it to keep them alive? I though the side affect was they would need to stay on it permanently so they didn’t die from lack of having it

empty bloom
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That's what the book says it was for, yes. But realistically speaking, even IV augs are actually seemingly better for that, considering they can outright regrow the artificial organs they were implanted with if they get tossed in a ditch for a few months while unconsciously subsisting on a nutrient drip in an artificial coma.

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There really isn't much a brain augmentation can do if it's keeping you from going into shock from blood loss. Might keep you alert longer, might help you kill the thing that dealt you the mortal wound, but there's not a CASEVAC on an alien world that you got left on by a pod.

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Combine that with the fact that it doesn't really solve the most important (IMO) separator between Mirage and MJOLNIR (The whole 'Can automatically patch up the 8-ball sized gap in your sternum with silly putty, medical grade'), and it really just seems like the only way that augment helps them 'live' is to 'live' in the minds of their victims.

foggy verge
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I think it was more for wounds that MIGHT take them out of being alert. Again from my recollection, but I’m pretty sure a lot of that was he felt that they hesitated and he didn’t want them to.

empty bloom
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From that angle, it makes a bit more sense. It just always seems to get brought up as being a factor when it's already far, far too late in books.

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Like, you aren't walking off that battlefield alive on the Ark when you are straight up disemboweled, sorry. Not when you don't have an entire ER right next to you.

foggy verge
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It really was more of a mental thing than an actual “you’re going to have advanced healing” sort of sitch.

At the later end is where I’m super forgetful of the minutia cause I stopped reading GoO recently halfway through and forgot a lot of the ends smaller details.

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If they changed the rhetoric in the later books I wouldn’t know tho

empty bloom
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Not particularly much, though I have a weird perspective on most Halo books in that I just hate reading anything about Master Chief or Halsey.

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And a lot of the newer books focused on those two in particular.

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Oh yeah, it's Sociology exam time.

foggy verge
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You don’t mind me asking, but did you get out of the service recently or awhile ago?

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Got out 2018 and should have my BS by spring 2025

empty bloom
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A few months ago. Back in December. Joined the Air National Guard, going through college now.

foggy verge
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So you went regular AF to Guard, or have always been Guard?

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I wanna get back in to the Army as an officer, I just gotta get some things set up for my waiver.

empty bloom
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Sorry, on exam thing

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Uh

unique rune
# foggy verge That I’m not 100% with you on since a lot of them were used for suicide missions...

S-IIIs being created for suicide missions is... a bit of a misconception, I assume colored by the whole "trading lives for time" line and Prometheus/Torpedo, then passed along a game of telephone, because it's not quite true.
Because it was more along the lines of making more Spartans more efficiently so that losses would be less significant overall.

So it's true that they were considered more expendable than their S-II predecessors, it was never the intention that they were supposed to be sacrificed outright the way I feel like some people talk about them.
Like in both Prometheus and Torpedo, Alpha and Beta were both intended to make it out alive after completing their objectives. but things ended up going unexpectedly and horribly wrong for them.

empty bloom
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So I got fed up and figured I'd either go guard, and either stay that way and educate myself, or hard reset and rejoin in order to go to another base.

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I even offered to go to Korea every year for the past 4 years, no dice.

gilded mason
unique rune
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Man I hate how "expended" is used there

empty bloom
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It's very clinical.

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But then, considering you are WEAPONIZING ORPHANS, that's about the sort of clinical I guess you'd want to be, dehumanizing them.

unique rune
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I think what really bugs me is that it reminds me of the Zapp Brannigan "wave after wave of my own men" line

And it's like, not 100% false? But also not 100% right either?

gilded mason
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Either way, it's still horrifying.

foggy verge
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Yeah, SPARTANs are an abomination on paper and tragically beautiful abominations in motion.

empty bloom
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Well, depending on your definition of 'abomination'.

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I like to talk about the doctrines used in Spartan deployments because they combine a lot of the strengths and weaknesses of distinct types of unit.

foggy verge
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They’re an abomination in how they came to be

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Even moreso the intent they were designed for

empty bloom
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I really don't like trying to exceptionalize classes. I think of it as a disservice narratively.

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And I think there's a neat addition of narrative tragedy if it's established that IVs being made from adults was not actually a significant impediment to comparative ability.

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I just tend to blanket assume Spartans are, uniformly, more vocal versions of the Retributors from Astartes.

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Effecient, smart, durable.

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Considering the more modern characterization of them being calm, cool, confident professionals; Kovan wiping a Phantom's compliment with contemptible ease in melee.

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Tanaka casually bashing aside boulders for a better movement angle. Vale boarding a Phantom and meleeing the crew.

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Hell, you saw Thorne displaying an insane level of competence by being the first Spartan ever to be seen boarding a Banshee mid-flight.

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With Locke body checking a Banshee and winning shortly after.

foggy verge
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Oh, I meant SPARTANs in general

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Even IV’s to an extent cause they don’t even know how things came to be

mild needle
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I just found out that the UNSC had at least one Grunt member in the post-war era who served as the announcer for their Spartan War Games to add the authenticity of a Grunt mocking them

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YABDA
That's her name
Yabda the Merciless

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She was even stationed on the UNSC Infinity

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Fate unknown as of Infinite

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Look I just wanna say
If Infinite's campaign ever gets its continuation
I want Yabda to return and help Chief fight the Banished

tribal trench
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She would probably be close to death by old age by Infinite

mild needle
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True
But she deserves a good sendoff then
A valiant last hurrah alongside the demon against the Brutes and especially the Jackals

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Afaik Grunts rarely get to die of old age

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...
Man I really wish Halo was given a worthy TV/movie adaptation

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Okay well I mean there was Legends, Fall of Reach, Mona Lisa, Forward Unto Dawn, and possibly others I don't know of that were real nice

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But like
It would be cool if the DEFINITIVE Halo film adaptation was in the same spirit and of as good quality

tribal trench
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Mona Lisa was a animated comic

empty bloom
empty bloom
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They were established as being a turncoat.

mild needle
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Maybe
Maybe
I mean the Banished being who they are I guess she would feel more at home with them

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I just think it'd be cool to see Grunts allied with the humies

half jacinth
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Is there a answer on what happen to the ODSTs that landed on the carrier in halo 3 odst

unique rune
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EMP from the atmospheric slipspace jump initiated by Solemn Penance left the SOEIVs dead in the air. None landed on target and pretty much all the ODSTs save for Alpha-Nine were killed.

minor sky
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This might be a dumb question but I figured I'd ask-
Why were they called the "Storm" covenant?

gilded mason
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They were mistakenly called that in a game magazine over a miscommunication.

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Presumably because 343 was talking about "Storm" elites, which is their rank/role/whatever

unique rune
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And between the Storm Rifle and their sort of baseline rank for most of the enemies being called “Storm [X]” instead of Minor like before…

gilded mason
minor sky
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Gotcha

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I just never saw an offical explaination

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Ig thats why

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For a while my guess was something along the lines of them comparing themselves to "an oncoming storm" or something like that

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Still a little salty about Jul M'Doma's death

gilded mason
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It was pretty bad, yeah

orchid kettle
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The name also got popular with fans because we kinda want there to be a clear distinction between Jul Mdama's Covenant and the real deal

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also The Storm just sounds cool

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honestly I would have leaned into it if I was 343

carmine sleet
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Agreed

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Like, I get why they wanted to stick with "Covenant" from a marketing perspective, it's what we were fighting in the previous games, but the faction you're fighting against is only like the Covenant in that it shares the equipment and species that were of the old Covenant before it fell

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And having a new name like "The Storm" would've helped them allot in helping casual fans know it isn't the same organisation we're fighting

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Instead we've got us going "It's called the Covenant but it's specifically lead by this one guy who is leading a crucade against humanity and searching for the last living Forerunner to help in said crucade but they're not the Covenant we saw before"

unique rune
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Also does not help that Halo 4 does an absolutely terrible job of explaining anything about why the Covenant are back
Much as I like H4's campaign, well...

A lot can happen in four years. Either way, he's probably not alone. We should be careful.
Gee, thanks, Cortana

carmine sleet
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Yeah

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And to be fair, Cortana wouldn't know who exactly they are at that point but it would've been nice if during Reclaimer, we had Lasky or Palmer filling us in on who they are

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I don't know, something like-
Chief: Lasky, I thought the Covenant was defeated back on the Ark
Lasky: They were, now there's splinter groups all fighting for control over the vaccum left behind

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Obviously that ain't perfect but it'd make it clear this isn't an empire that we're fighting to the player

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And dialogue after could go into more detail about Jul's faction

unique rune
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Yeah, just a bit of dialogue like that would’ve helped

orchid kettle
carmine sleet
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That would've also been nice

orchid kettle
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"First the human filth, and then the traitor that calls himself 'Arbiter'!"

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boom, make it real quick that they're some naughty boys who aren't with Arby

carmine sleet
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I don't know, maybe when you are done with the Cartographer in the second level, Chief and Cortana find that hologram because there was a bunch of Covies that set it up there so they could get orders/listen to Jul's sermons

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Heck, have it where we find a couple like that set up in Forerunner structures in later levels the player can stop and listen to to find out additional info

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Which has given me an idea for something

vast edge
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how on god's green flat earth is the quantum translocator a thing? I thought the unsc couldn't use slipspace within a planet's atmosphere

abstract wren
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its based on local portal from Forerunners tech

carmine sleet
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Aye, with the amount of Forerunner facilities they've found over the years, not to mention the constructs that are able to do local teleportation, it makes sense that eventually the UNSC would make some form of localised teleportation device

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I do think it's important to note that the translocator does have Forerunner components as well

unique rune
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Yeah, it’s some kind of reverse-engineered Forerunner tech shoved inside a UNSC shell

last anchor
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They already figured out how to reverse engineer the Promethean's hardlight blades in the form of a bayonet.

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My guess is they pulled it out of a Knight shell

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I wonder if it ruins your insides like point to point teleporters do.

mild needle
empty bloom
empty bloom
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Because you're forced to kill the first enemy you encounter in the game via quicktime event.

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And it's an elite.

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
mild needle
empty bloom
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They literally start to talk about it before the cutscene's over.

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And the reticule would turn red... And they clearly try to kill you.

mild needle
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Guy sees what looks like a guy who died 4 years ago in a derelict ship, a ship coming from the last place where the Flood was seen. Again, I can't assume the dude was even thinking!

empty bloom
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The game kinda can't scream 'these elites are trying to kill you' much harder.

mild needle
empty bloom
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I'm sorry, but I just can't buy someone being so shocked that an enemy with a red reticule shooting at you is trying to kill you that you let them kill you.

vast edge
empty bloom
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Unless you were like

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Under 8 years old

unique rune
mild needle
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I mean
I had just played Spec Ops the Line about a month earlier, too
So like
Excuse me for thinking that maybe "shoot first ask questions later" wasn't the best initial approach after that

empty bloom
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Spec Ops forces you to kill people and yells at you not to play the game you paid for. It's as subtle as an anvil and as insulting as a second falling on the first anvil currently occupying your foot's space.

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And it's a hell of a reach to assume Halo would suddenly adopt that.

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Buuuuut okay then.

empty bloom
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It's also not a huge leap for them to figure out Forerunner tech and adapt a means to interface with it.

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Cortana figured out how to tap into I04's translocation grid within a week, and the UNSC had been pillaging and researching Forerunner tech that seemed to want to teach them its secrets for years.

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UNSC basically hit a massive breakthrough with Covenant technology right at the end of the war, and that was basically a massive key to figuring out a lot of Forerunner tech.

last anchor
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Its amazing what happens when you suddenly have access too all of the tech and the data...

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Trevelyan/Onyx. The data Cortana pulled from all of the various Forerunner structures she visited.
The research facilities on the Ark, 07 and elsewhere.

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Remember, they strapped a Forerunner engine to the Infinity with Halsey's help

empty bloom
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It's kind of like the last century's leaps and bounds of tech. Once you start to figure out a few key techs like electricity and proper mass farming, everything gets a lot easier.

last anchor
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Or how we went from wood and paper and bracing planes at Kitty Hawk in 1903 to putting a man on the moon in 1969

empty bloom
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Well, that's part of that whole century thing.

carmine sleet
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Which makes me wonder if the UNSC looked at that to make changes to the human made drives

last anchor
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I'd be surprised if they didnt

tardy shell
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Who wants to help me do a full legendary run of all the halo games on PC?

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Only played the first three trilogy no spinoff I wanna go back and play all of them from beginning to end

carmine sleet
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Uh... This is a lore channel, not an LFG channel

fossil carbon
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this is exactly the channel I was looking for ahfefhshf

fossil carbon
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So, first lore related question, do the UNSC marines and ODSTs and maybe just the UNSC's military in general have like different camos and uniform styles for each regiment or battle scenario?

orchid kettle
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I dunno about regiment, but yeah we've seen plenty of marine BDUs in other camos

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though honestly its a bit debatable about how many marine uniform styles we've seen across the games are canon, and which have been replaced by later games or remasters

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But for ODSTs, I don't think we've really seen them wear anything but black or navy blue

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But I guess this forest camo is different than usual

fossil carbon
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Tbh, I was curious about it because I found these diff camos and regiments in a fallout 4 mod, so it probably was just a bit of fanon

empty bloom
fossil carbon
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and yeah, in a war as guerrilla as the Human-Covenant, you'd find whatever's available at any given time

runic wharf
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Is there a lore reason as to why Master Chief cannot run in the first 3 Halo's?

orchid kettle
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He didn't feel like it

gusty star
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It’s just gameplay

empty bloom
mild needle
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So, how much do you think the Long Night Of Solace's destruction actually cost the Covenant? CSO supercarriers are huge but it's hard to tell just how much one means to them

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Because like
On one hand you can interpret the huge Covenant fleet that showed up as an instant response that was standing by on station to support the LNoS if it cane under serious threat and they happened to arrive a little too late to save it, which would imply that having that many ships show up to try and support it means that it is massively important

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On the other hand you can interpret it as just reinforcements to take the Long Night's place or even as the rest of the invasion fleet that just happened to arrive a little later than the Long Night and its escorts

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Tbh I thought it looked like they were absolutely pissed about the loss of the Solace and wanted the human world where it was destroyed to be gone immediately

empty bloom
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The cost of the LNoS was apparently more significant in the sense that most ships of its class were apparently considered a rarity after the war's end, enough that even having one was a practically unthinkable prize for any fleet.

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In terms of how much it hurt to lose it, I'd wager it'd be about as significant to the pre-schism Covenant as the US losing one of its major carriers.

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A big deal and not a small issue, but also not ultimately irreplaceable.

unique rune
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The fleet that arrived after the destruction of the Solace just a whole entire separate Covenant fleet operating under the authority of a different Covenant ministry that... just happened to arrive at the time.

Though I imagine that's later lore to try and straighten out the mess that the game's campaign made of the Fall of Reach.

empty bloom
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^

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That as well.

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Personally, and I don't say this often, I prefer Bungie's version of Reach's demise over Microsoft's.

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A drawn out affair with both sides getting caught in slugfests.

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Feels more noteworthy that way. People always go 'Remember Reach!!!' but Harvest was straight up a multiple try sorty by both sides with nasty casualties.

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Reach 'fell' in a day before Halo Reach and just kinda choked out with a whimper because of it.

unique rune
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I think I'm okay with the extended month-long campaign in concept but I feel like the game's execution was a little iffy

empty bloom
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No argument here on that front.

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I just prefer the concept, not the execution.

gusty star
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Agreed

pale zenith
orchid kettle
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I think given how many people got caught up in the emotion of Six's last stand and what not, I think Reach does generally do a better job of eliciting emotion from the audience than the book

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Granted a big part of that is the music and shot composition, and not necessarily the characters or how the plot is strung together

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You could probably argue as well that Sam's death and Jorge's death being so similar to each other is because Jorge is intentionally our "Sam" of the game, and that moment is mirrored in-game

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And I think that's another case where people generally seem more attached to Jorge's death scene than Sam's, and thus, Reach's depiction of events

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Or perhaps more accurately, Jorge's death and destruction of the LNoS is like the game taking Sam's death and mixing it with the Cradle's sacrifice

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since the Cradle also sacrifices itself to take out some big Covenant super ship that just showed up, only for the effort to ultimately be wasted when Reach's defenses are breached anyway

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but I think you could argue that the sacrifice being a character we've been with for a few hours now instead of a ship we just met ironically makes the sacrifice more impactful

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Honestly for how controversial Reach was, it's story was pretty good at adapting the extended universe's tone, as well as hitting on a lot of similar plot points as the original novel, but repackaged in such a way that the events feel more coherent and Reach's fall is given a lot more attention

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Like, as much as I like Nylund, you can tell that he was struggling to come up with a way for Cortana to come into contact with the Sigma Octanus crystal data that would lead to Alpha Halo

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Since it ends up being the case that she's weirdly suspicious that Chief has seen a star chart before, so she digs through an ONI database while the Autumn is fleeing the system, and finds the crystal data

empty bloom
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"You've seen our primary navigational positioning aid before?"

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Well, really, it's more like quaternary, but still.

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And yes, I know you meant those specific charts.

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I'm making a joke.

orchid kettle
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It may be like, "oh these symbols or equations are ONLY for slipspace navigation!"

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but First Strike would later state that Chief was trained how to operate the various stations on a starship's bridge

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so yeah, it wouldnt be weird that he would recognize those symbols

empty bloom
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Wait

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So I'm misremembering?

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I thought it was weird that he recognized specific charts.

orchid kettle
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shrug

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In either case, it very much reads as "Cortana gets a hunch, and luckily that hunch makes the entire game series happen."

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Which I guess isn't that different than the original CE idea of the jump to Alpha Halo truly being random

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and I guess its up to you if you prefer Alpha Halo being random, or something the UNSC had to "earn" in some manner

empty bloom
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E

half jacinth
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E

sick bone
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I don't know where else to put this so.
In halo Infinites forge Spartans
Bertold Vettel
Nina kovan and one other Spartans armor is different then there look in the encyclopedia.
I don't know if this is a 343 problem but I just thought it was weird.

carmine sleet
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They're just meant to be dead bodies in Forge, not representative of how those Spartans look

sick bone
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It just confused me if thay have representation of the armor then gave the name to a different set of armor its just extra work for no reaso

gaunt ember
hard flicker
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Heyo fellow people!

jade cipher
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nobody actually uses these extra channels. why should I use them?

empty bloom
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Literally scroll up.

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Just because nobody's talking in them now doesn't mean they never get used.

pearl edge
dusty ferry
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Announcer guy is possibly a lore character given he talks about iratus during infection

unique rune
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Yeah, he’s supposed to be an AI that’s part of the War Games simulation system. Goes all the way back to Halo 4, with a little easter egg in the campaign mission Shutdown.

empty bloom
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Palmer allegedly does not care for him.

mild needle
# orchid kettle In either case, it very much reads as "Cortana gets a hunch, and luckily that hu...

I always figured that the coordinates of Alpha Halo were something she unknowingly picked up from the Forerunner artifact on Reach. Modern Human and Forerunner systems are actually amazingly good at interfacing with each other and it's pretty well known that the Forerunners wanted humanity to learn their history and their secrets from what was left behind, so they probably just set that particular ruin and possibly others like it to load Halo's coords into any sufficiently advanced AI like Cortana automatically. And when she made the "random" jump, those coords were already there and prioritized themselves as the destination.

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Feels it would make more sense than it being truly random
I mean if we're going by sheer chance then the idea of the Autumn arriving at Alpha Halo or even just any star system and not open space is incredibly unlikely

gilded mason
mild needle
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Ohhhh

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I see

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My fan theory was correct :)

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But then that raises another question

gilded mason
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Well, she consciously made the decision to use the coordinates she found

mild needle
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So in CE:A the first terminal tells us that Guilty Spark saw the Autumn on approach and warned it to turn away or be destroyed until he saw that it was Human and he lowered the defenses to let them in
And what I'm wondering is, didn't he see the Fleet of Particular Justice there, too? Spark could scan the ships and find that one is human, so he could probably also saw it being blown apart by a whole bunch of other ships that weren't human.

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So like, is there a lore reason why he didn't try to defend the Autumn on its approach to Halo, or send sentinels to protect the survivors on the ring?

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Apart from in the ending of the mission named after him of course

orchid kettle
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I forget what the CEA terminals have to say

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but I always figured in CE originally, Spark was just utterly unconcerned with the war going on on his front porch until the Covenant accidentally released the Flood

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and he only saw Reclaimers as a means to an end

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Not necessarily because he saw himself as humanity's faithful guardian or whatever

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He was tasked with protecting the ring and making sure the Flood did not break containment, and that's all he really cares about

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even when that places him in direct conflict with Reclaimers

empty bloom
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Huh

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Interesting

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So I'm looking at Oberon's design and it's clearly the most 'civilian' model of Osteo.

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At least I think so, because it has physical locks holding it sealed.

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And it's made by Jotun

obsidian thistle
empty bloom
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MJOLNIR parity, at any rate.

obsidian thistle
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More its not said to be Mjolnir.

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May have Mjolnir tech in it however

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And 343i may go "yes its Mjolnir".

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But at this current time

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No source! (As far as I am aware)

abstract wren
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For now the Canon Fodder is more or less saying its not a MJOLNIR. Just a UNSC version of the Hazmat

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"Where Mjolnir can offer protection to a Spartan operating in compromised conditions such as these, OSTEO-derived technologies maximize life maintenance effectiveness for extended periods, providing more optimized solutions for a wider range of suitable operators—including non-augmented military and civilian personnel."

orchid kettle
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I still think its kinda weird that Rakshasa is MJOLNIR if we can accept that the player Spartan isn't always in some cutting edge super suit

empty bloom
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Rakshasa strikes me as a Hayabusa style suit.

meager pier
dusty ferry
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OSTEO at least based on the flavor text available in the game right now seems like a mjolnir derived advanced hazmat suit

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otherwise Mark VI CBRN wouldn't have explictly mentioned being a testbed for OSTEO technologies

dusty ferry
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Voidspear is in my mind the more likely civilian helmet

tropic forge
dusty ferry
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I'm not saying OSTEO is mjolnir, I''m just saying some of the stuff behind the project was taken from Mjolnir

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which is one of the only known advanced armor suits rated to deal with flood

orchid kettle
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MJOLNIR is in every piece of Halo tech

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my waffle iron is partially MJOLNIR

unique rune
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Waffle irons would probably look decent as shoulder pads

dusty ferry
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waffle iron shoulders when???

last anchor
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Not soon enough

stable nymph
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I want them now

pale zenith
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but then he quit : (

minor sky
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I am glad that Vale is gonna be returning alongside Arby

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I hope that Outcasts is really good

pale zenith
unique rune
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The cover art shows her in her GEN2 Copperhead but the actual contents of the book may have other ideas, so we’ll just have to wait and see.

minor sky
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I honestly hope it's still the GEN2 armor, as I doubt every spartan got equipped with Mark.VII

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/I actually like the Copperhead armor

unique rune
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The book is set in 2559 so I'd wager it's probably still GEN2, though the GEN3 platform was put into production in February 2559 so it's possible that she could've switched over.

carmine sleet
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Could be a case of Vale not having got her Gen 3 suit yet by the time of the story

empty bloom
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Or, y'know, they simply updated GEN2 to the GEN3 parity a'la Mark Vb.

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God I hope we get some soon.

minor sky
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Additionally, one of Jason Jones' original central ideas for Halo 2 was that Miranda would betray the UNSC by forming a deal with the San'Shyuum of the Covenant, as she believed that the UNSC was responsible for her father's death. In order to get revenge against John, whom she believed directly killed her father aboard the Truth and Reconciliation, Keyes would have strapped a bomb to the Master Chief's armor. Although Jones was highly insistent about including this particular plot point, Joseph Staten was not fond of the idea and "just couldn't figure out how to make [it] work".

I am so thankful this didn't happen

abstract wren
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He had a hard breakup :/

orchid kettle
minor sky
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My bad

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Sorry

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Fixed now

empty bloom
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What a weird plan to fixate on.

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On Jones.

unique rune
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One of the story ideas of all time

carmine sleet
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Definitely a good thing it didn't happen

tulip relic
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oof, I see Korolev armor and immedietly get sad that The Cycle is shutting down...

minor sky
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Unironically a betrayal like that I could maybe see happening within a Marathon game like Infinity where there are lots of twists and turns and changing scenarios (multiple timelines and whatnot)

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Probably just because it vaguely reminds me of Tycho (Kinda-Rampant AI) siding with the Pfhor (proto-covenant)