#lore-and-universe

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abstract wren
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Why not. Its ideas. I might have been good or bad, we'll never know

orchid kettle
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though I dunno, there's concept art of a cool robot Didact

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so who knows

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My theory tho is that, since Escalation seemed like a dumping place of otherwise cut ideas

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since the portion following Majestic was supposedly meant to be Spartan Ops Season 2

civic forge
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Where can I purchase the comics?

orchid kettle
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Blue Team showing up to fight the Didact after the end of Halo 4 may have originally supposed to be a mission you would play

orchid kettle
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or you can buy the physical collection of them on amazon

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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Making a proper Didact boss fight as your first mission definitely would have been a bold opening

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and a bit of an apology for those who were disappointed that he was defeated with a QTE last time around

abstract wren
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with defeat of the Chief ❤️

undone crater
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Is it true marathon and halo share a universe?

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Because I saw someone draw a few connections between the reclaimer glyph and the logo of marathon.

gusty star
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No.

undone crater
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Cool thanks

carmine sleet
fair hazel
abstract wren
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Yes in 1 chapter of Spartan Ops but its like the UNSC logo of Halo 5 used in Infinite maps. Its errors

quiet shoal
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Yeah doesn’t escalation do that?

abstract wren
quiet shoal
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Yeah

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I really liked those comics

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I wish it showed how Halsey lost her arm though

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If it did I completely missed it

empty bloom
quiet shoal
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Ohh wait when she got shot?

empty bloom
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Yes. Jul's forces cut off her arm then cauterized her armstump.

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Which, considering what the rounds she got hit by are capable of, I can't imagine there was actually much left holding her arm together other than splintered bone and sinew. It might've been a writeoff either way.

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Actually, the only reason I wish we didn't go for the Banished instead of having another Ex-Covenant leader take control of Jul's counterculture rebellion, is because they actually had some really neat worldbuilding details in 5 regarding them.

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Jul's swordsmen specifically calibrated the heat of their energy swords to be capable of lopping off limbs and causing grievous injury; But it was specifically calibrated to prevent proper cauterization, which was meant to cause damage to the enemy's honor due to the Sangheili cultural stigmas regarding blood.

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Which is also very well thought out, in that it would encourage sword-wounded Sangheili to further refuse medical care (to stop the bleed), opting instead to die in glory on the battlefield-ensuring that a deep nick in a duel, even if the issuer of the wound dies, would be lethal for any victor of Arbiter's forces.

quiet shoal
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Oh cool

orchid kettle
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Both Cortana and Durandal from Marathon are named after legendary swords, with Cortana apparently having originally gone crazy in an earlier draft of CE's story, similar to what happens with Durandal

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What I find strange is how in Halo 2, when Lord Hood is handing out medals, he makes reference to a "United Earth Space Corps".

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Which is very similar to the United Earth Space Council from Marathon

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and is a name we've never heard of before or since in Halo

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Though, stuff like there being a class of ship called "A Marathon-class Heavy Cruiser" is probably just a cute lil easter egg, since the UESC Marathon was a colony ship, not a heavy cruiser or whatever

orchid kettle
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It's probably more like what From Software does with the Soulsborne series, where they just REALLY like the idea of a medieval society crumbling and the player being immortal in-universe in some way to explain respawning

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So there's a lot of "It's like poetry, it rhymes" going on between titles

drowsy mesa
last anchor
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Ohhhh boy

minor sky
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Question:
Would you say its a proper analogy to say that Bungie's Halo was an action movie while 343i's Halo to a certain point was a sci-fi political drama?

surreal glen
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Considering what the plot of Halo 2 is, no

minor sky
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Fair, I simply mean more in terms of overall tone

abstract wren
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Only Halo 5 was more drama and "political".

minor sky
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Like the larger universe as a whole, with stuff like Oni being a more present figure and the aftermath of the war with Humanity's new place as one of the more powerful factions, the whole Hunt the truth audio series, ect. Ik this analogy kinda falls apart with the direction they took post-Halo 5

abstract wren
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Right, if you take from all the licence/universe. Yes, its more realistic and so, more drama

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343 just expanded the universe, you have to make more drama.

minor sky
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Hell, I'd argue Halo 4 had some of the with Del Rio and the change in the UNSC from being an underdog fighting a seemingly unstoppable threat to now being a galatic superpower with a ship the size of a city

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Anyway, simply a question I had on my mind I'd figure I'd ask you guys

abstract yarrow
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So with that recent lore article have they basically stated Executor is canon?

Also, either they’re elaborately trolling with all the simulation stuff but I really picked up on:

“Sloan reveals that Proxy is an aspect of himself, a stabilized fragment that serves as another set of eyes for him to observe and incite movements that are critical to our survival.”

I am just saying. There’s some weird stuff in campaign and we didn’t get the whole story.

abstract wren
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Everything in this Fracture is canon

abstract yarrow
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Oh yeah. But it’s still a simulation. Whereas the end strongly implies Sloans gone full Belisarius Cawl. 😄

abstract wren
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Only part is simulation.
Sloan is part of the Assembly/Comitee now. And made an Executor

abstract yarrow
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I thought so. But I wasn’t sure if they were going to pull a fast one and say Sloan was in AI jail with him being in a simulation.

So yeah. They seem serious about this so, maybe they show up during the multiplayer season in some capacity. It is good, they should use the space to set the stage for future stories.

I mean it really moves the Created away from being a Forerunner faction and quietly replaces Prometheans with Spartans.

Unfortunately Marathon seems to be leaning heavily into that as well.

fair hazel
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So I'm trying to understand the begining correctly too

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The person who wrote the data pads is the one being transformed right?

abstract wren
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yes

obsidian thistle
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Well "found" and maybe wrote the last one (debated that is)

civic forge
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Who thinks the scene with chief and makee canoodling was unnecessary as Spartans are typified as not involving themselves in intimate relations?

boreal bane
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Randall-037 had a family

civic forge
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That was before he trained as a spartan though isnt it?

boreal bane
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Don't believe so, but I'd need to look up to confirm

ruby barn
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My message was deleted because it had the word "secos" in it... That literally happens in the show...?

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Im so confused

boreal bane
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We're a family friendly server here. While some things may be part of media releases, certain words are still filtered here

empty bloom
boreal bane
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Please don't bypass those filters

empty bloom
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The only Spartans who would have intimate relations before their Spartan augmentation would be Spartan IVs like Spartan Palmer, Spartan Locke, Spartan Buck, Spartan DeMarco, etc.

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Orions technically weren't Spartan-Is when they were augmented by project Orion, so I don't really count them.

ruby barn
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Why is trenchbird allowed to talk about intimate relations

empty bloom
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Because I'm not explicitly saying what you did and leaving ambiguity in my statement.

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I'd mean any sort of romantic relationship if I were to be specific.

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I think you saw a different show than I did.

civic forge
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My show had grunts

heady geyser
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Everyone thoughts on the final firewall lore

coarse crown
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Enjoyed it. Little bit worried as to how Executors might be handled if we ever need to worry about a Created enemy roster, but beyond that I'm just happy to have anything other than static with regard to the faction.

heady geyser
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I can’t wait to see what 343 have in store for season 4

abstract yarrow
# coarse crown Enjoyed it. *Little* bit worried as to how Executors might be handled if we ever...

Yeah. It will be a problem if they’re sold as being Spartans and Chief ends up killing them like Elites. Yes, lore wise gap isn’t that great. But it might be a little off.

I think it will make more sense to use them as a mini boss like the Brute Chieftain and keep the Forerunner soldier or something else that fits with this new direction for the Created for the line units.

But yeah I really liked it. Good to see them addressing the wider galaxy stuff. They have kept things ambivalent. Is Sloan just on one ship or does he own Earth and a few planets. They’ve left it open to do whatever they want.

Also, just IMO, one of the main reasons I think people did not like Prometheans was because people felt they were missing out on the Flood. So, you don’t cut something out to add the Created. Destiny does it fine with multiple antagonists and an open world game should make that easier.

empty bloom
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Still think it's pretty much a must that one fights Chief about as effectively as Atriox did.

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Otherwise it kind of udnercuts the entire idea of how strong they are.

empty bloom
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The multiple enemy factions thing works in Destiny pretty well due to most of the factions both A) Fighting eachother, B) Generally not being overpoweringly strong compared to the player's faction or within the scope of the other factions, C) The environments of Destiny being fairly distant and unique locales and gating stronger enemies off due to sheer distance.

coarse crown
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I've been tossing around some fanon stuff for the Created's leadership structure, so when the Encyclopedia dropped I was happy to find I was close to the mark with what amounts to an overseer having local control of Promethean forces from a Promethean body, along with a direct line to the higher "collective."

My standing questions now revolve around two points. One is the Guardians, if they don't work anymore without Cortana running them, are they just hanging lifeless in their previous stations... or did they "retreat" from their stations so as to not be easy targets for any enterprising faction looking to get grabby with Forerunner tech?

The other's the level of... oppression the Created waged on populated worlds. I imagine standing policy was to force UNSC garrisons to stand down and disarm with the help of some overly eager Armigers blinking into command centers and armories. Did they just follow the policy of Sol and start dropping bodies left and right, or did they "detain" them somehow?

empty bloom
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Thinking about it more in terms of logical usage of power, the Created likely had the standing policy you mentioned-forced disarmament. Likely incentives to change sides as additional forces as a more kind 'face' than Knights and Soldiers.

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That said, I can't imagine they extended that mercy to UNSC's naval forces specifically over Earth in the first few months.

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Also, the Created would've had de facto control over inner colony means of production, from food to commercial products to armaments to shipbuilding yards, due to those fields all being extensively Smart-and-Dumb-AI run.

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It's easier to control a populace when you control everything from the water they drink to the air they breathe to the food they eat to the clothes they wear.

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Personally, given the sort of speech Cortana opened with, I prefer to think of Created rule as a gilded cage, surrounded by barbed wire.

coarse crown
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It makes sense to take Earth off the table. In one series of moves they wipe out a majority of their standing command structure, cripple whatever's left, and the few survivors run terrified into the black void of space trying to escape it all.

Losing the Infinity was a bit like Japan not netting the Carriers at Pearl, because it comes back to bite both sides in similar fashion later on. But with Sol effectively neutralized, it gives the Created time to cement their rule over the Inner Colonies, while setting the stage for wrangling whatever Outer Colonies feel like pushing their luck.

But it's like you said, a gilded cage. The Created relied on the effectiveness of the speech to put down a majority of resistance, and the Guardians as more of a last resort. When they took out Doisac, they unleashed the decentralized might of the Banished against themselves, and that's obviously a bit more of a problem than the equally decentralized but far more scattered remains of the UNSC's military power. It jeopardizes their long-term plans in big ways because the Created didn't have the resources to go chasing rats back into their holes from day one, and every day those cells were allowed to continue to function, the larger the threat they pose.

empty bloom
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Well, thing is, part of the reason the UNSC got hit so much harder by the Created is because the Created effectively were the logistics arm of the UNSC. Half the reason you don't hear about as much on-foot personnel running offices and warehouses and whatnot is because they were run by AI networks.

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The Banished were already used to fighting on the run, and were logistically kitted out for long-haul fleet ops. The UNSC effectively had its entire logistics structure crutch kicked out from under it, even harder than the Covenant war in some aspects.

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So yeah, the Banished in general were a threat that Cortana couldn't really avoid dealing with (Because Atriox wanted Forerunner tech Cortana needed to keep her hold), and unfortunately, they weren't nearly as susceptible to what she was doing as the UNSC was.

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After their behind the scenes 'power up' from their HW2 incarnation, the Banished were kind of a stirring giant, that the Created had the unenviable task of, as the current closest thing to a superpower, dealing with. And their rock was a lot less effective than David's.

coarse crown
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Imo, Cortana blowing Doisac to bits did nothing to the Banished but galvanize the Jiralhanae as a species against her forces, which would explain a good chunk of their power increase. Just about every surviving Brute with a lick of common sense opting to join up with Atriox and company for a shot of payback at the angry blue lady.

Doisac and Sanghelios had similar problems with their ongoing conflicts, but Sanghelios' fight was freshly wrapped up. If the Elites didn't accept the offer of peace to help rebuild, they could've... or perhaps should've posed an equal threat to that of Doisac, which before the Guardians blew it up, was still waging its own version of the Blooding Years.

empty bloom
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The former makes a lot of sense, but I don't think it really explains the power jump on its own.

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Waaaait.

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Okay yeah that makes more sense

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So Doisac would've been destroyed before the Ark invasion.

coarse crown
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. . . Yeah.

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Think so.

empty bloom
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I don't see any hard evidence really saying as much, but it would make sense.

coarse crown
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Yeah, I just realized that myself. Because otherwise Cortana would've gotten Escharum on Atriox's voicemail...

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But if Atriox is around to take the call, he's also there to rally the survivors, pledge to take the fight to Cortana and her human creators, and then to direct them to the Ark as a means of equipping themselves to such ends.

empty bloom
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It is confirmed that what's left of Doisac is getting space strip mined for resources.

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Whiiiiich if it happened right after Reclamation, and Cortana didn't apparently stick around or patrol Doisac, would mean the Banished suddenly had a windfall of raw material to support a heavily militarized colonization operation to take over and colonize a Halo ring, and about a year to turn that raw material into weapons of war.

drowsy mesa
empty bloom
drowsy mesa
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The wording on the Encyclopedia implies that

empty bloom
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If so, that's a massive shame.

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And I am extremely dissappointed in that in that case.

fair hazel
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Doisac in between halo wars 2 and infinite.

empty bloom
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yep, extremely dissappointed.

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Well what the hell's his excuse for going to the Ark then? Just because he felt like doing something goofy like that for no good reason?

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Yep, literally just wanted to make a Halo ring for the hell of it.

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Though Doisac's actual date of destruction doesn't seem to be listed anywhere easily accessible.

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Like, I don't get it. They played cagey with the date, only for it to be on an incredibly tight schedule, instead of taking a more sensible approach of giving an actual reason for the Banished to be so invested in prohibitively hard to obtain Forerunner equipment fraught with risk.

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If you had the Doisac destruction right after the Created, say a few days after it all started, while Atriox was navigating the internecine conflicts on Doisac's surface, you'd;

  • Automatically have Atriox in the perfect position to get the majority of his species on his side on a much more reasonable timeframe to explain their sudden explosion into the forefront of the universe.
  • Automatically explain why they basically just had an explosion of new ships (Resources from Doisac+newfound cultural desperation)
  • Automatically explain why Atriox was so bound and determined to get a Halo Ring to crash on on the timeframe he was on (Summoning bigger fish)
  • Automatically explain why the Banished were spread so thin (No current 'home planet')
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Versus now, where all of that comes across more as a sort of shotgun blast attempt to try and justify the Banished as a cohesive powerhouse when they reasonably shouldn't be as powerful as they are, and shouldn't be as uniformed as they are either.

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Dunno, I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. I just get easily irritated by something that is on paper an easily solvable timeline problem that shouldn't really interfere with all that much aside from it being weird that a few characters don't really mention it.

lament karma
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I'm just here for Team Crimson lore...

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also, lorewise, how old would Delta company be in infinite if they had been trained

empty bloom
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So mostly old enough to drive.

drowsy mesa
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I've read the Encyclopedia and yep, Doisac's destruction takes place between Shadows of Reach and Halo Infinite

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literally, between October 12 and December 12, 2559

empty bloom
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Huh.

drowsy mesa
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The Encyclopedia says Cortana destroyed Doisac when Atriox readied his forces to the journey to Zeta Halo

orchid kettle
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If Atriox was coming to kill her anyway just because she'd be in the way

dusty ferry
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The created nanny state should have been given more time to develop tbh

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The banished as they were presented in halo wars 2 don’t come off as the threat required to make infinite work correctly

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If wars2 had had a third dlc which set up the endless, that would have probably helped

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Honestly, any real buildup to them would have made the banished feel more imposing by proxy

empty bloom
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That's one of the biggest criticisms regarding the Banished, yeah.

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And it doesn't help that 343i literally stated in a press release that the biggest reason they went with the Banished was because players seemed to like them.

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Which

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I can't imagine making a statement like that so brazenly. Of all the things people fixate on 343i saying, the fact that wasn't one of them speaks volumes.

dusty ferry
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Yeah

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343 has this annoying habit of trying to please everyone instead of sticking with what they wanted to do

abstract wren
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And Banished in Infinite are more Covenant like then real Banished... a shame.

empty bloom
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Eh, I kind of accept that as a gameplay/ability concession.

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Most of the Brutes involved in the Banished served in the Covenant, and it's just an easy readability thing.

dusty ferry
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Yeah, the dialogue and the like at least kept their style

empty bloom
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I mean I guess I get it from the perspective of doing a quick and dirty axing of 50% of the campaign like is alleged

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But... Man, they did not damage control from 5 in a cohesive or well-managed way, in my opinion.

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Course, almost everyone involved in that is also axed except for the Content Creators involved in demonization, because they never worked for 343i.

orchid kettle
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Yeah it'd be kinda hard to make every enemy red and silver and expect players to be easily tell ranks apart at a glance

orchid kettle
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And honestly for me, the best parts of living in an AI-controlled dystopia are the type of stories perhaps best served in books or audio dramas than fps campaigns

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I can't help but feel like Halo 5 2 would still be Chief jumping across the galaxy, getting in big fights with robots and aliens

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probably culminating in a final confrontation on a Halo ring

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Not to mention that if we maintained the Halo 5 cast, it'd kinda just be natural that the campaign wouldn't have time to really do much for a majority of the cast.

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Having like 12 characters is good in an rpg that has time to set aside an hour of time to a side quest or two that fleshes each one out

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but in a 4-8 hour campaign, its not really feasible.

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Not impossible, but definitely presented a lot of challenges for what they must have seen as too little benefit.

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abstract wren
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and in design and gameplay

orchid kettle
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Definitely wish we had a lot more unique units

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either outright new aliens like the skimmers or new types of existing aliens

abstract wren
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In itself, Banised in Infinite are red Covenant. We don't see the difference in the organization for exemple. (tribal, band, mercenaries). And the brutality of the faction. And revering Atriox... not great at all.

orchid kettle
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when the main new thing Brutes do is throw suicide grunts or fusion coils at you

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Its not the hugest gameplay shift

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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nah Drones can throw you off with how mobile they are

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their closest successor is more like Halo Reach skirmishers

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who can overwhelm the player with speed and numbers

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of course Reach had Drones, but only like twice in the whole campaign

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if anything Drones would have been nice if only because itd been so long since we saw them

dense gorge
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You can fit a total of like five or ten magnums into an elite’s mouth. Do with this information as you desire.

unborn ice
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the created were inherently way too overpowered of a faction in the first place

orchid kettle
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Im sure in practice, they were just gonna be Prometheans with Covenant backup, as Cortana had conquered the various races of the galaxy

empty bloom
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Like, the UNSC-in-Exile was a good start, making them more desperate scavenging type stuff. Increase the UNSC's ability to counter Promethean tech through more ingenius methodologies, and utilizing pilfered and reverse engineered Forerunner tech or proven anti-robotic countermeasures to close the gap on a skirmishing level while seeking to cut off Cortana from the Domain or the Guardians.

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As it stands, the Created, as is, are still too powerful for the curbstomped UNSC to really take on, even without the Guardians, or at least that's the case if 343i has any real consistency. Which is kind of the same dynamic the Covenant had-they'd win in a straight fight, so UNSC had to fight smarter, not harder.

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I don't think that outright killing Cortana and that having the effect of basically entirely killing off the Guardians was a very good plan narratively, but that die is cast.

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(At least the excuse for the Warden not being at Zeta Halo is simple enough to be "Cortana didn't want him warpathing to kill Chief again")

last anchor
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"Please stop trying to murder my husbando, Warden, its getting annoying."
(Frustrated Prometehean frog noise)

orchid kettle
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when we were told the Warden had a bajillion bodies

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I originally thought that meant that next time we saw him, I dunno, he'd be a boat or something

vernal marlin
vernal marlin
# empty bloom I used to think so, but honestly, that's problably because they never got fleshe...

When you think about the actual concepts, I can see them working.

The UNSC in Exile
An AI or group of AIs rising up

I just don't think it was done very well or fleshed out enough. That could've been the story of a whole trilogy, with the first game ending with the Created rising up as a new threat, the 3rd game being their ultimate defeat and the second game could be.... a variety of things. Gathering allies. Infiltrating occupied planets, lots of potential stories for both the games and in book

The Created idea could work in the right scenario

empty bloom
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unique rune
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I feel like that's become one of the funnier things about 343's games to me

Like with every game you get pieces of some bigger, grander Halo title that they really want to make
But in the end it never comes together and we end up with stuff that feels a bit incomplete

Between 4, 5, and Infinite I think you can see different components that would all mesh together really well, but the systems are stuck in separate games so they just
can't

empty bloom
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It's a pretty big issue.

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They don't really stick with one concept too long, or stick with a 'bad' concept long enough to hurt something.

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It's a really unforunate and challenging situation.

last anchor
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Too big ideas, not enough force behind them?

empty bloom
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Pretty much, yeah.

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Though I think, personally, the Didact's way less compelling than Cortana was as a villain.

vernal marlin
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It helps that we knew Cortana after 4 Games + a little bit of Reach (and the novels if you've read those) to connect with her which makes players be compelled more towards her than the Didact who me meet and gets "killed" in the same game and has a similar motive to the other factions, kill humans.

Cortana going rogue could've been brilliant if done correctly, such as using the Logic Plague to corrupt her as an example,

unique rune
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If I have to hear about the Logic Plague one more time so help me god

vernal marlin
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It was just an example, and a common enough one where I thought logical to put here as an example. I'm sure that with good enough writers there are other ways to make Cortana become an antagonist.

drowsy mesa
empty bloom
empty bloom
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She doesn't even need much of an extra motive, just to be like her mother.

drowsy mesa
empty bloom
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Tell me about it.

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I've been yelling it into the void for five years.

drowsy mesa
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Literally, Halsey said it to Locke
That Cortana was created using herself as her matrix

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Literally, she was saying "she's thinking like myself if I have that kind of power"

shut dew
empty bloom
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Honestly, I know there was this spot of drama about... I think it was either Reed or O'Connor? Saying that Halo 5's story was going over people's heads because the community consists of basically idiots.

While I'm paraphrasing, and don't even know if it truly happened, it's kind of how I feel about it at this point.

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Which is bad to say, but like... Come on. Half the answers are right there.

gilded mason
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Wasn't that about how Cortana was actually ~morally gray~ and people just didn't "get it" or something?

shut dew
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The Logic plague theory was only popular due to youtubers pushing it and it completely falls apart at the first sign of scrutiny. Think about the amount of contrivances required for the Flood to effectively DC Comic-like master scheme everything so Cortana conveniently goes insane at the right time

empty bloom
shut dew
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She could've just noped the Index and be like "see ya chief"

empty bloom
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You kinda go morally gray the second you find yourself in Halsey's workspace.

gilded mason
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I'd agree more if it wasn't for her needlessly killing a whole lotta people she didn't need to.

empty bloom
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See, that's the thing.

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It's treating it as 'ends justify the means' in that case.

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Cortana needed to get the jump on the UNSC, needed to act fast, and needed to essentially blindside everyone who stood a chance.

gilded mason
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I mean that it was pointless. It was death for death's sake.

empty bloom
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I just explained why.

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It's why the Guardian focused directly on Locke and co instead of dipping right away.

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She was operating on an extremely narrow time table with plans that went beyond just one world, one battle.

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And that also required, y'know, people not getting away to talk about it.

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Whether the method of doing so being so barbaric, was up to personal choice or just the Prometheans being overzealous, eh, jury's out on that one.

drowsy mesa
empty bloom
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Yeah, him.

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I really don't like most Halotubers.

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... or any, really.

empty bloom
gilded mason
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What was the point of letting them loose to murder the people of Meridian in the first place?

empty bloom
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Harder to get away when you're dead.

unique rune
unique rune
gilded mason
empty bloom
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Media literacy is fun.

drowsy mesa
gilded mason
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Thing is, you don't need that, as said.

unique rune
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I'm pretty sure it's just because people cannot let go of the Flood for some reason

orchid kettle
gilded mason
drowsy mesa
shut dew
orchid kettle
gilded mason
shut dew
orchid kettle
gilded mason
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Eyup

orchid kettle
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dontcha remember halo 4

drowsy mesa
orchid kettle
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Well, outside of Halsey in the legends short constantly making Cortana quotes, Halsey and Cortana aren't really all that similar, at least in what we see in the games.

I also personally see the whole "Cortana did what she did because she's really Halsey in a blue body suit" in a similar light as the whole "Muh Logic Plague" thing. It just kinda removes Cortana's agency as a character.

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Nevermind the idea that Cortana isn't her own person who has been shaped by her experiences. You can argue with muh logic all you want, but honestly I find it to be a very pessimistic view of how people work, even these fictional digital people.

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And speaking of this race of digital people, I think its kinda gross to take this group who have previously been characterized as fully sentient but denied the same freedoms and rights as people and make them the next big oppressors of the universe

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Because, you know, the second you replace "AI" with any historically oppressed group, and your story is about how the second they got an ounce of power they'd flip the script and oppress the rest of the world even harder

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I dunno, I just don't think its a world perspective I wanna hear

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Even if its true. You know, we're all people, we're all the same, so any group with a vast majority of power would probably treat the minority poorly. But I don't think stating that really helps anyone or makes the world a better place in anyway.

empty bloom
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Guh

gusty star
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I’m not sure that’s what they were going for when they wrote the Created lmao

empty bloom
last anchor
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Cool Matrix AI baddies maybe

manic root
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Why does infinite have skirmishers can someone explain that to me

fervent birch
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I just found out that Sergeant Johnson was freakin 78 when he died. That threw me off so hard, especially since I assumed he was in his md to late 30s.

heady geyser
orchid kettle
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well I think in Infinite, the skirmishers are just normal Jackals in supersuits

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rather than the subspecies we saw in Reach

dim sand
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Yeah I haven’t touched halo wars in awhile but the jackals just have salvaged armour like all the units I think there different to reach

dusty ferry
unique rune
unique rune
dusty ferry
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yeah, i wasn't entirely sure of the friendly fire stuff anyway, but i remember hearing it somewhere

unique rune
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It’s apparently from some old gaming news article that got a few things a bit wrong or something like that, IIRC.

As it currently stands the Skirmisher rank was just expanded to have history that extends further back in Kig-Yar culture to include other Kig-Yar populations.
It’s not my favorite explanation but it’s not the worst thing they could’ve come up with I suppose.

dusty ferry
dusty ferry
empty bloom
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It really kinda started with the Brutes.

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Because of the drastic change from 2-3 Brutes.

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Mmmmn.

dusty ferry
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yeah, brutes have been constant in their changing artstyle

empty bloom
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Also, random aside, I like how they went full space orc Banished in the new map.

dusty ferry
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which map?

empty bloom
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Scarr or whatever

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The new BTB map

dusty ferry
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ahhh

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yeah, it does have the "Evil fortress of the demon king" feel to it

carmine sleet
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Have they said what kind of banished facility the new BTB map is?

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I assume it's some sort of foundry or something

tropic forge
warm ridge
warm ridge
warm ridge
carmine sleet
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Do you have examples of it appearing in those older games?

dusty ferry
warm ridge
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warm ridge
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warm ridge
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That was a lot of replies just noticed that 😳

fervent birch
abstract wren
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I have the same logic. To me Cortana is Halsey without restrain

shadow ice
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I've never actually known what happened to blue team by the events of infinite

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Anyone know?

dusty ferry
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the closest thing we know is Fred testing the morrigan helmet

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if that occurs after the Infinite prequel where they got the stuff to make the weapon

orchid kettle
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"Skirmisher" is apparently just a role a Jackal can occupy

dusty ferry
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yeah, they are just wearing the same stuff, but its not that they have much if any enhanced abilities due to the equipment

orchid kettle
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the encyclopedia calls it "extensive armor", which I guess just means they have sleeves

dusty ferry
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i mean they get hand shields?

orchid kettle
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yeah i honestly can't help but wonder if running around and blocking bullets with your wrists like you're wonder woman is really that effective

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versus just like, having the usual jackal shield gauntlet but turn it off and on as you need to

dusty ferry
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its probably about the same

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at least within gameplay, skirmishers are easier to kill

orchid kettle
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Yeah what made Skirmishers a threat in Reach was more so their numbers and mobility

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but Infinite throws like one Skirmy at you at a time

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and by itself, that's just a defenseless Jackal

dusty ferry
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i dunno, reachs were honestly just as easily dealt with

fervent birch
orchid kettle
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Nah, Reach skirmies came in larger numbers, ran faster, jumped around a lot more often, and had access to two handed weaponry

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Infinite skirmies will only ever use the needler it seems

dusty ferry
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really?

orchid kettle
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yeah, you don't remember having skirmishers run around with needle rifles and focus beams?

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because they could

dusty ferry
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no, the infinite ones only having needlers

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i swear to god they like 80% of the time have the carbine

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I mean, its been a hot minute since i played infinites campaign, but still

orchid kettle
orchid kettle
dusty ferry
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weird

orchid kettle
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There's concept art of Skirmishers where they ARE the Reach subspecies

plain tulip
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is locke and shaq related

orchid kettle
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so it makes me wonder if they wanted to do more with the enemy

dusty ferry
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i mean, in infinite a lot of enemies feel easier to handle from how open everything is

orchid kettle
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yeah, Halo games in general have been having this issue of engagement distances being increased with every game

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and not every enemy is really equipped to handle Chief cross mapping them from a mountaintop

dusty ferry
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the banished also lack a decent midrange weapon

warm ridge
# abstract wren I have the same logic. To me Cortana is Halsey without restrain

Not even that, Cortana has Halsey's brain. The Cortana we see in Infinite & Halo 5 is a fragmented, insane Halsey brain that lacks empathy and a bunch of other emotions that Halsey has.

Halsey can change her ways, make decisions and see what's wrong. She wouldn't go around killing millions of people for the "greater good", she'd kill a few, because killing millions is immoral to her and always was.

To Cortana, likely due to rampancy, she lacks this decision making capability even when she was confronted by Chief directly about it.

orchid kettle
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They're pretty good at angling the Ravager

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but the Ravager feels strangely rare

warm ridge
orchid kettle
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maybe because they're mainly the weapon of Brute Captains, who themselves are not all that common in Infinite

abstract wren
warm ridge
dusty ferry
abstract wren
dusty ferry
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the banished have explosives and small arms and snipers

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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Purple Brutes can have commandos and BRs sometimes as well

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but the BRs specifically feel like once in a blue moon

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and you'll more often see commandos and bulldogs

dusty ferry
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yeah, the UNSC arsenal is like 4 different rifles it feels like

orchid kettle
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It kinda bugs me how the Purple Brutes go unexplained in the encyclopedia

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they're apparently just "Warriors" like the little Blue brutes

empty bloom
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I still think utterly removing the agency lessens the cut, which should not be the ideal.

orchid kettle
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despite having a preference for human weapons and sometimes appearing with shields

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while Blue Brutes will never have shields, and will only use one-handed weapons or the pulse carbine

dusty ferry
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apparently jump packs are also not exclusive to higher ranks either

warm ridge
warm ridge
dusty ferry
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it shows up on like 1 map in multiplayer, and maybe in 3 locations in the campaign

orchid kettle
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I wish Infinite threw higher ranks of Brutes at you more often

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I think I was like 10 hours in before I came across my first non-boss chieftain

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and a Marine kicked him to death before I even really got to fight him

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I think its really cool how Brutes have jetpacks, and Elites have active camo

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but if Brute captains use their jetpack for anything at all

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I just don't see it

dusty ferry
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like, the only elites we see camo are the ultras and up. apparently basically anyone can get a jumppack

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i don't think we see that in game though

orchid kettle
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or rather, spec op Elites will probably join the fight already cloakes

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They use it a good amount, to the point that it seems like just as much a staple as their energy sword

dusty ferry
orchid kettle
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which I think is cool

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Elites use invis and dual wield, Brutes use jetpacks and wield turrets

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that's the dream right there

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too bad Elites don't have their plasma rifle, so they don't dual wield

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but weapon swapping is pretty neat. But they only seem to see Ravagers as worth picking up

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maybe a stalker rifle if one managed to fall near them after you killed its original jackal owner

thorn monolith
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How many carriers survive the human covenant war

Apparently some Orion class carriers spent the final days of the war fighting in covenant supply lines, and there was several punics left by 2552
But there’s not a mention of either of them or the epoch after 2552

manic root
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@heady geyser how do you know this I'm just curious reach is a prequel it had the skirmishers they were nowhere else in the series except back in infinite I was just wondering if there was a lore explanation for why.

empty bloom
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Skirmishers in Halo Infinite are basically an organization seeking to and succeeding at emulating the subspecies.

manic root
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How do you know this there just jackals pretendeding to be skirmishers

empty bloom
manic root
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@empty bloom Halo Encylopedia 2022 edition page 433. Do you have this quote

empty bloom
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They got all the data from that

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First three sentences of the Skirmisher section of the Kig-Yar article, Page 433. "Within the Covenant, the role of Skirmisher was held almost exclusively by T'vaoans, a subspecies of kig yar that developed on an asteroid within the Y'deio system. What the banished observed soon after conscripting the Kig Yar was that the mantle and practice of the skirmisher extended far beyond the T'vaoan legacy, deep into the ancient past of all Kig Yar. Many Rhuutians took it upon themselves to powerfully and unambiguously demonstrate this:..."

manic root
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I'm reading it right now

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I really liked this guy's explanation of the skirmishers during halo reach I wish he could make a follow up for infinite

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A link to his video

thorn monolith
quiet shoal
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ha ha green boi go brerreerehwial

manic root
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@thorn monolith he elaborated on their origin and why they were only in reach and nowhere else in the series

thorn monolith
carmine sleet
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I just stick with the "Bungie hadn't come up with them yet" explanation when it comes to the Skirmishers from Reach

empty bloom
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Honestly, Skirmishers originally being a subspecies never felt quite right to me.

scarlet quiver
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The implementation of them is solid. They require you to recognize them and utilize a different tactic during gameplay.
On the other hand, the subspecies idea might be more interesting if we had more lore on their differences in culture and how they see each other.
But I am biased. I use everything as an excuse for 343 to create/expand the lore.

empty bloom
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I feel like their more aggressive looks and the fact we literally saw one tackle and kill an MP in 4 to be more than enough reason.

scarlet quiver
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That was pretty sweet.

empty bloom
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Something like a more aggressive jackal or a halfway between regular Jackals and Skirmishers.

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Kind of like those energy shielded Skirmishers, but with less speed and a bit more health.

scarlet quiver
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What you are saying right now, i have been saying for the Unggoy. Yes, they have their "variants" as well. But the Unggoys are my fave, so more is always nice.

empty bloom
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Y'know, I just realized that people bring up Chief shrugging off losing a solid chunk of leg muscle in Shadows of Reach and healing in a day or two as though he healed that wholly on his own a lot.

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But... IIRC, he had synthetic muscle grafts implanted at an aid station because of that wound.

empty bloom
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I wonder if anyone at 343i would be able to explain the significance of the Dying Star variation of Lightrifle, and the fact it's the only third tier Forerunner weapon in Infinite with light orange instead of blood orange livery.

dusty lodge
last anchor
empty bloom
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But as I said, it's the only one with an 'off' color scheme.

last anchor
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Perhaps its an indication of it being handed to higher level prometheans?

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Id want to know who in the heck in the UNSC is handing white and green paint to weapon companies to make the variations like they do...

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Who cleared the Blaze of Glory's colorscheme?

empty bloom
unique rune
last anchor
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Selling to civilians after the military said no.
"Flashier colors to show off your allegiance!"
Like a jersy XD

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If we ever see those variations again at some point I wouldnt say not to them having different models either, that'd be nice

empty bloom
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(Lightrifle) Dying Star - The appearance of highly mobile and mutable Flood Pure Forms quickly lead to Promethean countermeasures. Advanced LightRifle that fires adhesive pulsewave explosives; as few as three nearby explosions will prove fatal to even a shielded Spartan.

(Scattershot) Didact's Signet - Made by the Didact's own hand to reward his most elite Prometheans. Advanced Scattershot that fires fast-moving, long-range projectiles with stronger homing behavior after ricochets.

(Suppressor) Razor's Edge - As extinction loomed, desperation led the Forerunners to experiment with volatile derivations of hard light. Advanced Suppressor firing fast-moving metastable energy shards. If multiple shards strike a target they will create a "supercombine" explosion.

(Binary Rifle) Twin Jewels of Maethrillion - A twin missing its sibling. Advanced Binary Rifle modified with dual beam emitters that enhance the rifle's anti-armor utility.

(Boltshot) Open Hand - Right hand of Endurance-of-Will, the Didact's loyal lieutenant. Advanced Boltshot that fires a swarm of tracking bolts with each press of the trigger.

(Incineration Cannon) Heartseeker - Forerunner Warrior-Servants were relentless on the hunt. Advanced Incineration Cannon that fires tracking energy charges.

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There's nothing that sticks out to me regarding Dying Star over Razor's Edge and Heartseeker.

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But Didact's Signet, Open Hand, and Twin Jewels sound... Especially unique.

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Which is what confuses me, as as I stated, Dying Star's the only Promethean T3 with a unique color pattern

last anchor
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Open Hand is very much unique, its a distinct weapon for Endurance.

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Sadly, her Knight frame in Warzone doesnt weild both

empty bloom
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Wait, it actually wields open hand?

last anchor
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No

empty bloom
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Ah

last anchor
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But the description says left and right hand of her

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Meaning presumably that, in flesh form, she weilded one in each hand.

empty bloom
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I'd imagine her actual knight form looks different than the reality in-universe.

last anchor
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Very much so presumably

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Variation by both it being a simulation rather than actually a battle and also in-game requirements.

empty bloom
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Maybe it wields the Open Hand in the little grabby arms.

last anchor
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^

empty bloom
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Those cute little things.

last anchor
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The vestigal ones finally have a use; they can hold boltshots

empty bloom
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Or do cute things like pet crawlers.

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I'm just saying

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Nothing would be as cute as a Knight patting their little crawler friend with the smol arms

scarlet quiver
empty bloom
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The writer did good work til they went nutty.

meager pier
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Here's a question, how is Chief's in orbit of Zeta Halo at the beginning of the game, when Agryna says at the academy in season 1 that Zeta Halo went missing

tribal trench
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My best guess is that zeta disappeared into slipspace at some point and the infinity followed the trajectory

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the infinity, of course, having chief on it

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i haven’t read any of the post-infinite books though so someone probably knows better

meager pier
flat echo
tribal trench
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maybe i’m misunderstanding

flat echo
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ya before tha ambush

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just checked "everyone is missing, the infinity, the ring all of them"

meager pier
# tribal trench wdym

If Zeta jumped into emergency slipspace jump after Cortana did the explosion, with Chief doing his coma in space and not on Infinity or Zeta, not sure how he'd be chilling there haha

flat echo
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well it isnt actually the exact quote but ya it had to be before the ambush as no one mention anything happening to the infinite

flat echo
tribal trench
meager pier
tribal trench
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if it was after, then it’s possible that Chief got pulled into Slipspace with the ring

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We know he can survive slipspace in his suit because of Halo 4

flat echo
empty bloom
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The Infinity was, presumably given Agryna's dialogue, dragged with Zeta.

gaunt oakBOT
tribal trench
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just cause that’s annoying

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not mad or anything

empty bloom
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oh come on Titan you ping me all the time

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Except when you don't

tribal trench
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🤓

empty bloom
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🤓

empty bloom
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(which covers more mental issues than physical, but it was also interspersed by 6 months of unconscious 'healing' from the absolute wrecking from Atriox, so who the hell knows with him.)

meager pier
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And poor Esparza, being pulled in as well

empty bloom
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Literally anyone involved would have been pulled in except for, apparently, a significant portion of the Banished fleet.

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And that's mostly evidenced by the startling lack of Banished fleet assets at the Zeta Halo jump point.

meager pier
empty bloom
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it's like, six or seven dreadnoughts.

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One above, one dead, four-five orbiting.

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Unless a significant portion is grounded, most would've been left behind.

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The Infinity killed something to the tune of four dreads before it got taken out and was dealing with a 2552 Reach sized fleet nearly on its lonesome and crippled.

tribal trench
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went down swinging

empty bloom
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Wish we COULD HAVE SEEN IT

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Instead of being TOLD

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But hey

tribal trench
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i’ve been working on something actually

empty bloom
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I'm a nice guy, I won't hold it against them.

tribal trench
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can you send me the passage where it says that that happened

meager pier
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@empty bloom Can't blame Tremonius when he says "It is his [Atriox] fault we are stuck here!"

empty bloom
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Tremonius is completely correct when he said that, yes,.

meager pier
empty bloom
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Escharum needed to maintain order, so he's still correct in essentially sending Tremonious to die.

empty bloom
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I have Rubicon Protocol on my desk.

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Freaking pings.

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Ugh.

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Whatever, you know what I mean.

tribal trench
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ur good

tribal trench
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even if it’s like

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8 pages long or whatever

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i’ve been wanting to animate part of it

empty bloom
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less than I'd hope. One dread was confirmed gutted through a hole, midsection.

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one dread has roughly a third the mass of the infinity.

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So I don't quite know where I got the stats of four dread kills from.

meager pier
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Really hoping in the next game we see Lasky, dude deserves to get some spotlight, criminally underused

empty bloom
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Name a character, any character, from reclaimer stuff. They went underutilized in Infinite.

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It's the consistent sore spot in infinite's plot and a glaring problem to anyone who didn't hate that arc with an obscene passion beyond reasoning.

tribal trench
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is Hood dead by now?

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Guy must be like

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120

meager pier
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No, that's not a joke

tribal trench
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I think I remember trench telling me about that actually

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@empty bloom what happened to Roland

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I know he didn’t side with Cortana

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Is he safe? Is he alright?

meager pier
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But hey, at least he's getting his conclusion in Epitaph...

empty bloom
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He wouldn't be the first UNSC loyal AI to go turncoat when confronted with his own mortality after all. Better to shunt him to an HDD before that happens.

tribal trench
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I imagine being put in an HDD is like being put in one of those precursor time prisons for an AI

empty bloom
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Kinda. I'm joking when I say it, but the end concept of what happened to Black Box is nonetheless the same.

abstract wren
tribal trench
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what?

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yeah, there are

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lol

abstract wren
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No, no books takes place after Infinite

tribal trench
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post infinite as in after the game came out

abstract wren
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Almost the same, Ency stops at the end of the game

meager pier
abstract wren
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But it could be in the 3day-period John is not on the ring

obsidian thistle
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I'll need to see if any dialogue changes in the post-game clean up for everything.

When beating the game normally before ya... deal with Escharum. The outposts often refer to Escharum as "alive". This cant be the case post-game so will clearly have changes

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Only one I went out my way to check was Annex Ridge due to the fact that theres unique Dialogue for if you dont find any ring artifacts. (Its nothing special fyi to my disappointment)

abstract wren
obsidian thistle
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I was more talking about Outposts. But thats also a good call to check! 🙂

pale zenith
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were there

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spartan II's on zeta

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besides chief i mean

pale zenith
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ik it was mostly Spartan IV's

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but im curious if SII's were fighting too

unique rune
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No sources have confirmed anything in either direction

But I’m gonna go with probably not

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The rest of Blue was redirected to some other mission shortly before the events at 07, Red remains out of contact, Gray is busy doing Gray Team things along with some Sangheili, Omega and Naomi were still active last time they got any updates but I very much doubt they were with Infinity

orchid kettle
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Its definitely one of those situations where 343 is probably leaning towards no IIs except for Chief, but there's no hard evidence against you if you wanna like, write a fanfic or something about your OC Spartan on Zeta Halo

thorn monolith
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Though then again any spartan we’ve seen die whose body is someone ok might just get revived by ONI

candid aurora
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what happens to spartan lock?

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after halo 5

unique rune
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currently unknown

minor sky
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It sucks that Thorne wasn't really used past Escalation. But I can understand that with his actor being busy doing Star Trek stuff. Still, I liked Thorne

carmine sleet
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Huh, didn't know his actor was doing Star Trek

thorn monolith
#

So was harvest a line installation

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I was going through halopedia and It noted that in halo blood like the main control center of the installation likes very similar to the relic on harvest

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As for why the UEG never got shot down the second they got close could be simply do to time as entire landmasses might have formed simply over the control center and other systems rendering it obsolete until they were uncovered

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It also could explain how the planet despite being about a third the size of earth it has nearly equal gravity is that it might not be made of the simple materials any normal planet would be made of (outside of gas giants)

dense zealot
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Did the covenant have any weapons that could match the range of UNSC macs and weapons?

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Also, how did they deal with the missile swarms released by UNSC ships?

unique rune
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Point defense lasers and energy shields were generally capable of dealing with UNSC missile barrages

thorn monolith
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Actually I’m pretty sure a plasma lance can hit 100 thousand kilometers a way so yes

tribal trench
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I’m not necessarily sure about the range of a plasma lance but I know that theoretically a MAC could fire an infinite distance

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Of course you have to take into account the fact that after a certain distance your enemy could dodge the attack, like a modern ship versus a torpedo

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but with things like the Infinity’s SMAC you (the guy getting shot at) would have to be several hundred light seconds away at least before getting that chance

latent junco
tribal trench
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with the size of space that’s not really an issue

latent junco
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True

tribal trench
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unless you are fighting directly above a planet

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but no human is going to shoot at a covvie ship which has a populated planet behind it anyways

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same reason modern soldiers don’t generally shoot at enemies on the top of buildings or whatever

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that bullet is gonna come back down and kill some unlucky fella a mile away

icy yoke
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At a distance of 60 feet, a 1° error in aim causes a 1 foot error in impact point, a large target say 100 meters long, that error is acceptable, the round will hit the target, albeit not exact dead center... At 60 miles, 1° error causes missing by a mile.

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target 100 meters long means you're off by nearly 5000 feet. So the gun must be adjusted to a fraction of a degree. Be it gun or laser the tracking must be accurate within one-ten thousandth of a degree past 100 miles. In a moving situation where warship and target are moving simultaneously this is unacceptable. On the other hand if the goal is to fill the sky/Space with fire, then a mass salvo is desirable.

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Thats why missiles are ideal weapon...they're steerable

void lagoon
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They forget this is halo and these are spartains, not cloth clad marines in bulky junk? The new core looks like cyberpunk 2077 medical police. This hardly feels like halo anymore. Is it even in the books?

empty bloom
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IE, a cloth covering over the well-armored techsuit for the purposes of redundancy, sectioning, and easier decontamination procedures.

empty bloom
void lagoon
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Isn't the techsuit supposed to be all environment? If not than hazop was completely useless

empty bloom
void lagoon
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Mopp gear is the spiritual techsuit

empty bloom
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I'm asking because it's basically the explanation for why the armor looks the way it does.

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HAZOP does not necessarily have the same design goals as HAZMAT. They're different armors meant for similar, but different, tasks.

void lagoon
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I just don't see it. Why not use hazop if your techsuit is armored and sealed

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It's just encombering

empty bloom
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Because HAZOP might not be able to do something HAZMAT can.

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For example, it's likely much easier to decontaminate someone wearing HAZMAT safely compared to a HAZOP wearer.

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Due to the cloth layer being pretty clearly an overwrapping.

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Also, development can lead to a lot of seeming redundancy or replacement of other equipment. HAZOP wasn't without its issues.

void lagoon
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Ill admit. I know jackal about halo lore. Apart from flood and odst. But wasn't hazop used to fight flood? The most problematic thing. I can see hazmat being for iritus (I think his name is that) it's a whole different problem with need for a new solution. But they still get infected. And with the line of work spartains are in, hazmat is easily penetrable because it's got a lot of cloth, well, more rubber, immediately making the spartain rely on the tech suit

empty bloom
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Halo lore draws from real life sources at times.

void lagoon
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Also im pretty sure you can see the tech suit in the abdomen of hazmat

empty bloom
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Nope.

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Just a different texture.

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HAZOP wasn't used for flood, also. HAZOP was more meant for dealing with radiation, and was designed before the UNSC knew of the flood.

void lagoon
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I know it has a different appearance but it looks like it's somewhat it's own thing... just me

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Ah my b

empty bloom
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HIVEMIND was the GEN2 prototype for dealing with Flood, but it never really got used for that as far as we know.

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"OSTEO combat engineering suits incorporate an array of contingency systems focused on surviving extended operations in extraordinarily harsh working and combat environments. HAZMAT armor is for those who specialize in delving into the heart of dying Forerunner facilities, for hunters operating in blighted waters and poisoned winds, search teams exploring sites scarred by chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons used in the Covenant War, and even more insidious threats the galaxy has to offer."

void lagoon
empty bloom
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Not really.

void lagoon
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Ah

empty bloom
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Even then Reach Hazop didn't make much sense because you'd need more than a change of helmet to be significantly better off in most environments.

void lagoon
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Fr

empty bloom
void lagoon
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There we go, now we are getting somewhere

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Thank you, im feeling much better about this

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You have convinced me of its use

empty bloom
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Personally, I prefer HAZMAT as a concept because of the whole oversuit thing. I can't really figure out how the hell you're supposed to safely decontaminate someone who has armor coated in a blood agent or something if they don't have a cloth overlayer.

void lagoon
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My main issue is it just doesn't feel like halo anymore

empty bloom
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That's stupid.

void lagoon
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I only love rashaka cause I feel like a marine

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Alright

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Owe

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It doesn't look like a spartain. Why is that stupid?

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I came to halo for spartains

empty bloom
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I think it looks like an armor that would conceivably exist in Halo and the main advertised helmet is literally a Mark VI variant.

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It just looks like MJOLNIR with a cloth covering to me. Like how Rakshasa looks like a Halo 4/5 Techsuit someone put a onesie over.

void lagoon
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All I have seen is that stupid cup visor

empty bloom
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(Because that is literally what Rakshasa is visually)

void lagoon
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I got that, but nobody sees that

empty bloom
void lagoon
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To you, you see deeper

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But nobody else does

empty bloom
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Top right helmet.

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Sounds like a them problem.

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I'm not responsible for other people's incompetence at media literacy.

void lagoon
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I seen it.

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Do nip

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Also im pretty sure that helmet is not the base helmet

empty bloom
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It isn't.

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But it is in the teaser.

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And the promo image.

void lagoon
empty bloom
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Center left of splash image, in the black and green armor.

tribal trench
void lagoon
empty bloom
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E.

void lagoon
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But anyway. I just miss spartains, now the spartains are getting more and more visually closer to splitgate. And you sound like a real jerk over text. I know I know. Not your problem how other people see you. So goodbye forever

empty bloom
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Lmao, okay then.

timid oar
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pretty cool

empty bloom
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Damn, that's actually really pretty.

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Too bad some mean blue lady had to ruin it.

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Sorry, purple now.

timid oar
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makes me wanna see a Halo Infinite prequel where you play as a spartan or odst during the war over the ring

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was there even much action on the ring pre-destruction?

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very reminiscence of how the ring looked in the E3 2018 trailer

orchid kettle
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I mean, the Weapon is in the ring's systems

empty bloom
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Well, there was the initial survey and science team on Zeta Halo, with its armed contingent.

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Which would've been there when Cortana got there, let alone when Atriox showed up, assuming they weren't killed to a man.

orchid kettle
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granted maybe they just uploaded her from space or whatever, but it otherwise seems like she was placed there by Chief to begin with

empty bloom
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I honestly still have no idea how that Weapon plan really worked.

timid oar
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yeah a prequel would help understand the timeline of events lol

empty bloom
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Like, Chief was necessary for it but it really looks like he wasn't.

abstract wren
abstract wren
# timid oar yeah a prequel would help understand the timeline of events lol

The timeline is explained a little in Ency22 : its all in the same time..
Cortana and Atriox comes at almost the same time. Cortana just a little bit in Advance. The Banished comes and installed themselves while Cortana is still there.
While there, the Infinity comes (the Banished knowing it is coming ["ambushed"]) get smashed . The Weapon goes to the ring. Cortana damage the ring.
Atriox defeats John. Start of game

unique rune
minor sky
carmine sleet
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Been meaning to start Discovery on recommendation of a friend, I'll be sure to get on with that ASAP then

minor sky
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Eh, its not great

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Alex Kurtzman isn't the best choice to head Star Trek

coarse crown
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Thumbing through the armor lore while I'm waiting on the update to download, some neat stuff.

dusty ferry
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how? is it up somewhere not in game?

empty bloom
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Cylix updated itself.

abstract yarrow
# empty bloom I honestly still have no idea how that Weapon plan really worked.

Because it’s sus and it didn’t work.

The Weapon is Cortana. She wiped her memories so she could be with Chief again. These gaps in the narrative are there on purpose because there’s likely a twist such as Atriox having taken the actual Weapon from the Infinity which he used to capture Cortana. Which is what we see him with in final cutscene.

empty bloom
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He didn't have the Weapon in the final cutscene. He was releasing the Endless.

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Nice theory, don't agree with it in the slightest.

dusty ferry
empty bloom
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Cylix.

dusty ferry
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i don't know what that is

empty bloom
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It's a website that shows all cosmetics in Infinite.

dusty ferry
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ohh

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thanks

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why does cylix label Athlon as HCS?

empty bloom
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IDK

coarse crown
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iirc, the helmet's whole reason for existing is War Games.

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And that's HCS' bag.

abstract yarrow
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He holds out his hand like we see Chief do with the Weapon through the game when it hops on the platform. So it’s a mysterious AI of some kind and has control over the installation like the Weapon. He also jokes that he has no need of Cortana because he already has the copy. Plus it’s mentioned a few times that Atriox went to the Infinity to get the Weapon.

With what we are told. So, he went to Infinity, realised she wasn’t there and then went ringside. Found Cortana, who he didn’t need the Weapon he thought he needed at all. They kill eachother. While the real weapon is safely in a bunker surrounded by Cortanas memories waiting for Chief. With this all timed so that the Weapon only had a bit of her memory deleted before Cortana interrupted it. With her last deleted memory being Cortana meeting Chief. When the audiolog explicitly says Weapon has no memory of Chief.

That is very sus. 😄

dusty ferry
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Trendlock is a wacky helmet

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why does a random corporation need to outfit its security forces with mjolnir grade equipment?

coarse crown
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Covenant weapons are out in the open.

dusty ferry
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isn't mjolnir liable to kill unagmented personnel?

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are we going to get actual followup to the halo 5 "corporate supersolider" thing

coarse crown
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I wouldn't go that far.

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We're only allowed to kill aliens and other players, don'tcha know.

dusty ferry
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i meant any followup on what the corporate supersoliders actually are

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because they get mentioned like once

coarse crown
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I know it's gonna be a pain to find... but where?

abstract yarrow
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I mean, with them dropping the multi story now I am not even certain they’ll continue the current story. I could see a full reboot or Elseworld like they did with Modern Warfare.

Don’t want it, but they might well go down that road.

coarse crown
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They haven't dropped the story entirely.

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iirc, there's still the in-game cutscenes, and the lore dumps they put on Waypoint.

dusty ferry
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we might get some stuff from the waypoint posts

coarse crown
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Not the most ideal place to get story for a multiplayer game from, but it's better than nothing at all.

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. . . Sometimes. I mean, I imagine the past two seasons could've been like... a page or two of information leading up to where we are now.

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And I doubt much is gonna happen with S4 as a result.

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Actually it's kinda weird that the things getting the most writing weight put into them have been the Fractures, what with Entrenched's Sky Marshals, and Firewall giving us a look at what's going on with the Created...

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Meanwhile the academy's just had a really bad... week?

empty bloom
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It got spun off into a MJOLNIR variant kind of like Mirage did.

dusty ferry
empty bloom
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Ah

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I didn't know that.

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I didn't install the update fully yet

dusty ferry
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if it was a HAZMAT, i'd get it

coarse crown
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SECURITY's also been for non-MJOLNIR personnel.

dusty ferry
coarse crown
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Same way that ODST and MP were, kinda sorta.

empty bloom
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One of several MJOLNIR variants in the GEN2 days were also developed for Spartans geared towards defense of UNSC MIC facilities.

dusty ferry
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ODST apparently spun off MJOLNIR as of Infinite

coarse crown
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Yeah into that whole... drop a spartan from orbit and hope for the best suit.

dusty ferry
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its mentioned in the Mark V ODST shoulders

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so it went Mjolnir, ODST, and then back to Mjolnir

empty bloom
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And Spartans in general never really had a monopoly on the actual tech. A helmet isn't actually going to hurt you, but the version a guard for a facility would wear is going to lack a lot of the more MJOLNIR-geared parts like the reliance on a fusion reactor for power and the shield waveguides.

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Like how MAKO was used more by Army divers than Spartans.

dusty ferry
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yeah, I'm just really hoping the one reference to corporate supersoliders pays off at some point

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TRENDLOCK is a favorite among Emerson's quick reaction forces, though officially it does not exist as a realized Mjolnir spinoff. A handful have managed to find their way into UNSC hands as a result of ONI special intervention\asset reallocation. the flavortext for reference

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the way its phrased implies to me that corporate supersoliders are going to come up sooner or later

empty bloom
coarse crown
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Yeah.

dusty ferry
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In like, one of the story shards

empty bloom
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Oh, I'd want it too, but I literally will never once expect it to come up ever again.

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It's one of the things that irritates me most about Halo.

coarse crown
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But, hey, it's a step for fanon writers to go that isn't "rogue spartans."

dusty ferry
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because the flavor text from entrenched did come up in last sky marshal

empty bloom
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Flavor text offers a way cooler game than Halo, lmao.

dusty ferry
empty bloom
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Corporate supersoldiers, drone swarms, augmented ONI agents near-peer to Spartans

dusty ferry
empty bloom
coarse crown
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Man.

dusty ferry
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that makes way too much sense

coarse crown
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The gene pool by like... 2700 is gonna be wack.

dusty ferry
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they had Orion's for like 60 years at least

empty bloom
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I mean, half of the IV augs are just utterly unlike the II and III augs, so I'm sure it's something they learned from too.

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I still find it funny how IV bones should actually be stronger than II bones.

minor sky
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So seasonal stories are gone or just the cutscenes?

dusty ferry
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there is no way minor augmentation isn't some sort of common factor, or was going to be one if the whole created hadn't happened

orchid kettle
empty bloom
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Because II bones are ceramic 'reinforced' and IV bones are fullerene lattice interweaved? Impregnated? Some word like that.

dusty ferry
orchid kettle
dusty ferry
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what

empty bloom
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Because the fullerene lattice is mentioned for IVs.

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Carbon Nanotube reinforced bones.

dusty ferry
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its specifically ceramic for the IIs

empty bloom
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It sounds like IV bones are a mix of aformentioned Titanium A and the Fullerene Lattice, actually, I forgot I've had this convo before

orchid kettle
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Just "Titanium-A and composite sheathing"

minor sky
empty bloom
orchid kettle
empty bloom
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I know it does.

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Because as I said

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I've had this conversation before

coarse crown
dusty ferry
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seriously, who got the titanium?

empty bloom
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But they also got Fullerene Lattices.

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Because both is cool.

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And Carbon Nanotube bones are really cool.

orchid kettle
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Their muscles are also woven with a similar material as the mjolnir exosuit

empty bloom
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And anyone who wants to argue against carbon nanotube reinforced bones should be exiled from this dimension by force.

orchid kettle
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so they're kinda like a living suit of mjolnir themselves

dusty ferry
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that also seems like a real reason to not have like a hundred thousand S IV's

minor sky
orchid kettle
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they apparently have no end of it

empty bloom
orchid kettle
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because power scalers would be mad

dusty ferry
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There is honestly very little evidence they are weaker

empty bloom
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I mean I'm mad because yeah, the evidence is slim to none.

orchid kettle
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honestly Id be down for weaker Spartans

dusty ferry
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its like, just Buck being poetic and like a single thing frank said around the release of halo 4

empty bloom
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Then again you have people who think they're literally just Marines in suits.

orchid kettle
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Im not super wild about characters being so powerful that you need to throw a million soldiers at them just to be a threat

empty bloom
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When they're people who could turn Andre the Giant into a pretzel and outspeed Usain Bolt's record in a Marathon.

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Without the MJOLNIR.

dusty ferry
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i mean, why even augment if its just the mjolnir doing all the work

orchid kettle
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well because mjolnir kills you

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if you're a normie

dusty ferry
coarse crown
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Kind of a drawback.

orchid kettle
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you at the very least need to be tough enough to use the armor with no ill effects

empty bloom
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Some guy got downvoted to oblivion for saying that was a stupid design issue because it really shouldn't be capable of breaking bones like that, to that degree. I honestly kind of agreed with him.

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Like, the guy's joints should be messed up, 100%, but his bones shattering?

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Dying?

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After a certain point you'd just pass out entirely from the pain.

dusty ferry
orchid kettle
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I mean, sometimes stuff like that is just for dramatic effect

empty bloom
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And that's with the absolutely boneheaded Halsey moment move of not having an auto OR manual shutoff for a trial run. Or doing a full suit strength test with a living user.

orchid kettle
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It sticks more in your mind why only Chief and friends can use the super suit if the guy twists himself into a pretzel and explodes

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than if like

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it just sprained his knee

empty bloom
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Like, you should've known how much energy the myomer would output before you had the armor even constructed.

dusty ferry
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like, the objective truth is that the neural interface tech just wasn't ready for Mjolnir when that test happened

dusty ferry
empty bloom
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Not as entertaining, still gets the point across.

orchid kettle
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I mean, yeah, not really as memorable.

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Well thats the thing, aint it

dusty ferry
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oh yeah, i keep forgetting the UNSC has some ridiculous medical tech

orchid kettle
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The book is entertainment

empty bloom
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I think getting the point across is almost always better than doing things purely for shock value and dramatic effect.

orchid kettle
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its not information

empty bloom
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But then, I'm entertained by technical accuracy, and actively hate embellishment for story value.

dusty ferry
empty bloom
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Oh neat my Infinite just finished updating

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Halo time

dusty ferry
dusty ferry
empty bloom
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Waiiiit.

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Or did you mean he does a bad job talking up the tech.

orchid kettle
dusty ferry
empty bloom
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Because some of Battletech's earlier writers were really fond of explaining things like orbital mechanics as asides and talking about how the planet the characters were landing on were unique for having a quirk in-system that was actually well thought out and possible.

dusty ferry
empty bloom
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Because Battletech, for being about stompy robots, is also really big on the actual universe being really grounded and practical.

dusty ferry
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I don't want to complain about the guy for forever, he's not a professional author, i shouldn't expect that much

empty bloom
# empty bloom Because Battletech, for being about stompy robots, is also really big on the act...

There's about 2,000 variants of one mech that only has like 5 official variants at the time the statement was made, it's literally just abstracted into just being 5 odd variants because nobody wants to clarify that an Archer ARC-2R-RAWL is different than an Archer ARC-2R-CWEI because they were produced on two separate planets on opposite sides of known space, one of which only had Macintosh combat computers to draw from and the other used a series of circuit breakers that were rated for 40 less volts than the other.

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The weapon's names are colloquial and aren't actually called 'Large Laser' or 'Autocannon 5' in universe (Until the writers got more varied in skill and number, and lazier) because those are simplifications made for the player's benefit, because nobody wants to have a stat chart for a 55mm autocannon firing a 15 round burst versus a 95mm autocannon firing a 3 round casette burst, but both are classified as the same Autocannon class in tabletop.

dusty ferry
#

thats some fun Battletech facts i didn't know about

empty bloom
#

I can nerd out about it all day because, man, the technical detail the books go into are freaking great. I'd straight up kill for a franchise as big as Halo to have a level of painstaking attention to detail and strong effort at grounding the media like that.

dusty ferry
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I would as well

empty bloom
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Time to reset all my cores and start fresh with new drip for a new season.

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"Second Chance" Chest - Better to have half your body volume be filled out with biofoam and medigel than expire messily under the wan(ing?) light of an unnamed star.

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Based turbobiofoam injector

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Oh neat

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@dusty ferry Direct flood reference for one of the chest attachments

dusty ferry
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Really? heck yeah, lore on Hazmat

empty bloom
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Flood Super Cell spore intake and containment filter.

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Also apparently one of the upcoming coatings for it is literally just the Elite Minor's armor color and textures

dusty ferry
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interewsting

empty bloom
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Lmao.

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So I asked Sam a while ago about the shoulder lore for Mark VII and got an answer

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And one of the new shoulders for Hazmat is called "Hitek shoulder plate".

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And the description is "You are asking a lot of questions already answered by the name."

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I feel called out.

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Wait.

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Apparently there's a Mark VII [B].

dusty ferry
#

Huh

coarse crown
#

huh

empty bloom
#

One of the new shoulders mentions it.

dusty ferry
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yeah, i wonder if thats gonna come out soon

last anchor
coarse crown
#

You guys reckon there's a limit on how many times you can fire a SPNKr in a day, like we've got on the Carl Gustaf?

dusty ferry
#

do we have any quantum translocator lore yet?

unique rune
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Unless there’s a way to inspect equipment details I don’t believe so

obtuse crow
#

Here ya go.

empty bloom
carmine sleet
modest cradle
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So... with no sign of Infinite's Campaign being continued down the line, are we allowed to just make our own canon?

obsidian thistle
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Nothing stopping you for writing your own stuff. It just wont be considered canon on Halopedia. 🙂

Plus Halo canon aint stopping just yet.

empty bloom
#

Which was already solved by virtue of the backblast but whatever.

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Like, the Pilum's strength by comparison is the fact it's a reloadable mag-fed tube, but the two launchers serve different uses in universe. The Pilum's missiles are for light vehicles or superheavy infantry, which is seen more readily than heavier AFVs.

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And the SPNKr is more for dealing with things like Wraiths or other MBT/SPG/TD/etc analogues.

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Both design methods are valid and don't really step on one another's toes in universe. The Pilum's should be a bit more maintenance heavy but allows operators to carry more rounds on their person and deliver on target faster.

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And the SPNKr's tube system, while cumbersome and not really a boon, is pretty much something you have to deal with when you're talking about a rocket in its size range. The dual tubes are likely a size saving measure (That could be done better), but the rotary's a bit dumb. Either way, your job's a bit easier when you're not wrangling two separate 102mm tubes.

last anchor
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I feel like the Pilum is a Spartan weapon, the extra maintenance is just added to the stuff needed for their suit and body

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All gets done when they get back to bass

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Base

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The SPNKr is the unaugmented humans weapon

orchid kettle
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Which perhaps makes more sense with the Halo 1-3 design, where the weapon is at its most simplistic

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Only thing you're keeping between reloads after all is the trigger and handle

obsidian thistle
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Just casually held onto them.

carmine sleet
#

I'll admit that I've not yet read Halo The Flood

empty bloom
#

The Pilum's meant for unaugmented soldiers and marines for dealing with knights and hunters.

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Also, maintaining MJOLNIR and a Spartan vs a rocket launcher is a way different question.

orchid kettle
obsidian thistle
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The mission itself doesnt even have a rocket launcher.

unique rune
#

Maybe he was using the tubes to carry extra snacks

spiral jewel
#

@obsidian thistle perhaps it's somehow cut content that somehow made it into the books?

empty bloom
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I doubt it. Bungie was so locked up tight that there was actually a huge amount of drama on their end regarding CE.

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So I doubt that it would've been anywhere immediately noticeable.

icy yoke
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UNSC doesn't have equivalent an RPG

unique rune
#

I mean. Functionally that’s what the M41 and M57 are for.

empty bloom
# icy yoke UNSC doesn't have equivalent an RPG

They don't but presumably the CMA did. The UNSC doesn't seem to have a particular need or want for an RPG when the M41 and M57 (And technically, the MLRS-1 and MLRS-2) basically do the same jobs in most situations.

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It is far from unheard of for the UNSC to employ several different ammunition varieties in all of its launchers, from EMP-tracking rounds in the MLRS-1 Hydra to triplepacked M29 50x137mm manually guided proximity airburst rounds in the M57 Pilum.

vivid umbra
minor sky
#

Speaking of Rockets/cut content, I find it kinda funny how the cut surface to air launcher in TPS Halo CE is basically what the Halo 5 rocket launcher ended up as design wise

#

Anyways, when is that Didact book coming out?

empty bloom
boreal bane
minor sky
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Cool cool cool

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While I love the Didact, and I'm happy he's getting a proper conclusion after being unceremoniously thrown away in the Next 72 Hours, it does kinda bug me that Halo 4's main villain's final fate is tied to a novel and not a game. granted, Infinite's not getting campaign content anytime soon

minor sky
#

I mean it might have

empty bloom
minor sky
#

Yeah, still it is pretty indicative of 343i's backeards thinking with EU material (at least during Halo 4 and 5)

empty bloom
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I would say more overzealous response to backlash.

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And an attempt to be multimedia tbf

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But then

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I feel like you'd be absolutely insane to not want to be a successful multimedia franchise

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Like, actually a brain-dead troglodyte

minor sky
fair hazel
minor sky
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Locke

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I think

fair hazel
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There's at leaslt H2A terminal and nightfall but literature would be nice

empty bloom
#

Locke getting apparently offscreened*.

*citation needed, not provided by franchise

minor sky
#

Locke being present in Infinite's story as a survivor of Infinity putting his ONI training to use would be neat

empty bloom
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Or Tanaka, or Palmer, or Lasky, or Roland

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You get the point.

minor sky
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(But once again, Infinite isn't getting story/campaign content anytime soon)

empty bloom
#

Probs should stick to characters who were last in a game.

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Hell, Tanaka actually would be a decent character to be the sponsor of some Spartan core, considering she's literally the only canon Spartan who is actually fully maintenance and modification certified to work on MJOLNIR.

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As in like, near-Halsey levels of mechanical field tomfoolery.

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You just never got to see that aspect of her character because, well, honestly, 5's plot hinges on nobody getting actually crippled MJOLNIR.

minor sky
#

It would be neat to have Osiris' members be developed/fleshed out more instead of 343's "Poochie died on the way back to his home planet" approch

empty bloom
#

I'm honestly convinced that it was a massive overreaction caused by a few YOUTUBERS WHO SHALL NOT BE NAMED

minor sky
#

Yeah yeah

empty bloom
#

But I say that like

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Every damn time the convo comes up

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So

minor sky
#

Fan backlash aside, I do think it was kinda on 343i's hands for how often they like to drop plotlines and then start something new

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Granted iirc they didn't really seem to know what their endgame was so maybe that was to be expected

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Moral of the story is- when you're starting a big grand sci-fi narrative, know where your story is headed

empty bloom
#

Doesn't help when your first story lead dips the second the game's out.

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And the second is harassed out of the field by the fanbase.

pale zenith
minor sky
boreal bane
#

That's normal for a lot of game developers. People get a big project under their belt and then move on to do something else

minor sky
#

Probably best shown with how Halo 4's campaign team left and the multiplayer team stuck around. The multiplayer turned out pretty solid with them being able to evolve and improve, while the Spartan Ops team was made in charge of getting a campagin made and out the door

boreal bane
#

You still get lots of people that stick around, there still folk at 343 that have been there 10+ years

minor sky
#

Compare this with Bungie who did have the same few creative voices between games

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4, 5, and Infinite all sorta went in their own directions with a seeming lack of proper cohesion between releases

pale zenith
empty bloom
#

Like

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This was about a year ago now

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He played it and talked about their design process

minor sky
#

Ik there was a lot of crunch

empty bloom
#

It was... Very ambitious.

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And not the best way to do that.

#

Honestly, I think Halo could've used a Gears Hivebusters sort of mode for that deal instead, and just tie narrative events to completion or something.

minor sky
#

I really think Spartan Ops should have been an expansion or something akin to Opposing Force or ODST

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Something to hold people overbetween releases, adds some new content and characters/lore, have some additional stuff for the main game, ect.

empty bloom
#

Like a live seasonal story with cutscene events?

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Perhaps tied to some new characters to flesh out Spartan IVs and how they work?

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And perhaps they could give players cool free rewards for completing those events too.

#

Just some short in-game cutscenes would work, really, so long as it moves the plot forward little by little.

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Man, wouldn't that be great.

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😢

#

I will never emotionally recover.

distant socket
#

are spatial phenomenons like blackholes mentioned in halo works

empty bloom
#

I don't think any have been specifically discussed as a hazard short of like, supernovas and such.

meager pier
#

I'm hoping there's some PvE thing of any kind that could push the story forward in some form, even if we don't have cutscenes, and it's mainly voice-over dialogue dduring gameplay

empty bloom
#

Like, there's not gonna be much reason to pick a fight near a black hole.

frigid kernel
#

I have a question about the halo reach lore

mild needle
#

Imagine if there was a squad of formerly covenant aliens who were recruited by the UNSC to fight the banished and they had a Spartan supervisor

I think that would be a kinda fun story

Has the UNSC ever done that?

mild needle
empty bloom
frigid kernel
mild needle
empty bloom
#

Basically just spent a few weeks dying until he ran out of lives (The surface of the planet was charred and unliveable)

frigid kernel
#

Maybe noble 6 DID respawn and is now playing multiplayer reach (this isn't possible ofc)

carmine sleet
meager pier
turbid prawn
#

He’s a lone wolf, so he’s hiding somewhere

tribal trench
#

@empty bloom Just out of curiosity, what is your opinion on the "spartans never die" policy?

empty bloom
tribal trench
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I thought it did extend to IVs

empty bloom
#

It does not, last I checked.

tribal trench
#

Well that makes a lot more sense

empty bloom
#

That said, I'd imagine it's actually still a significant part of a Spartan charter if one exists.

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As it's clearly more symbolic than anything else. Anyone who legitimately would believe that likely isn't in the job of putting rounds on target and likely isn't anywhere near a battlefield even by two or three degrees.

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(That's also why someone saying "B-But I thought Spartans never die..." likely is something like an office clerk or a teenager/child, albiet a weirdly written one).

empty bloom
tribal trench
#

yep

empty bloom
#

Gotcha.

tribal trench
#

I thought it extended to the IVs as well

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which didnt make much sense to me

empty bloom
#

I don't think it's actually explicitly outlined anywhere, but they've been explicitly outlined as being KIA before, not WIA or MIA.

twin pebble
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somebody think that the flood is alive and will gonna come?

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twin pebble
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it will return, be cause, there a lot of halo, i dont know if the are in halo zeta but if the master chief escape of the halo, he can find the flood