#lore-and-universe

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obsidian thistle
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Tbf the Data Pads dont explicitly say Assembly is the Committee.

Closest we get is this "A suggestion from the Majority to the Committee" in pad 3 which could very easily be just them addressing that group and not the entire Assembly. 😀

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Tbf also, that whole part of the wiki has kinda remained in limbo as we kept getting told the Assembly was unreliable so we focused on other areas xD

vale mountain
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What is the Halsey's journal book?

obsidian thistle
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Hasnt actually gotten a re-release since 2010

wet pelican
obsidian thistle
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That is reliable! 😉

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I discovered that!

obsidian thistle
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(I done a lot of discoveries as of late for Sangheili... I should totally get the Halopedia pages fixed up and do a mega post somewhere how it was all done!)

wicked wasp
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At the end of reach why didn’t 312’s shields not flair up when Keyes touched him on the shoulder

orchid kettle
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I think the idea is that shields only become visible when they endure a significant amount of damage

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because otherwise Six is always touching air molecules and whatnot

tribal trench
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Thats pretty much it

obsidian magnet
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Wait how is the Didact back? Didn't he die in the comics?

timid skiff
obsidian magnet
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

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I thought he was disintegrated when Chief fired that one random Ring

timid skiff
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Somehow the Didact returned

obsidian magnet
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XD

unique rune
pale zenith
timid skiff
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that's for sure

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Besides, Palpatine was supposed to die as part of Anakin fulfilling his prophecy mission.
The Didact holds no role in any prophecy. 😄

quiet shoal
timid skiff
fair hazel
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I do get annoyed at how careful 343 have been making sure it never said the Didact died and how people are like, he died.

last anchor
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Lot of people never read Last 72 Hours.

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The last they saw of the Didact was him getting grenaded and falling into a giant space hole

hazy shadow
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You can't retcon someone dying in an obscure piece of media nobody pays attention to and then expect the fanbase to keep up with it.

vague ridge
gusty star
unique rune
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Yeah, I mean... in the game he falls into a portal hole thing and is never explicitly confirmed as dead

tacit saddle
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i mean theyre following up an obscure piece of media with another obscure piece of media tho

unique rune
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And so the net result of that is...?

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Like. If you weren't following the books/comics/etc. then the game gives you "he's dead as far as you care" and whether or not you read said books or comics or whatever that ends up... not changing a whole lot.

hazy shadow
hazy shadow
tacit saddle
hazy shadow
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And you have to bring it back in a major way, not a piece of media no one cares about.

tacit saddle
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they did already justify it in the comics though, and idk i like reading the novels as much as playing the games myself so i dont see the issue

scarlet quiver
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Damn, it posted as a link.

tacit saddle
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i mean if you dont care about the comics or books than didact being back isnt going to have an impact on you anyway, nevermind that the premise of this book seems like its gonna be about how he'll either die or never come back

hazy shadow
scarlet quiver
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I might have missed it in yall convo,
For me, it us just about, why?
All this time and effort into writing a book and you choose this??
Why?
Sooo many other great stories could be told or extended.
Did the big heads have a meeting and actually go, this is something people want?

tacit saddle
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theres been way bigger things go down in the eu media already, the games dont need to be the narrative be all end all and if you dont want to read the books or comics then its fine cause the game already has a different main story going on already

scarlet quiver
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They left so many characters out to "spiritually reboot" halo with Infinite. So it seems wierd that they would write a book about his character, when people have been asking about what happened to soooo many more characters with Inifinite. Not once did i hear, " what will happen with the didact?"

tacit saddle
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i do at least

scarlet quiver
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Oh, i will read it. I own all the books, so why not?
But it is a curveball.

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I am just... surprised???

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Not sure what I am. 😆

tacit saddle
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idk ive def seen a fair share of demand for some kind of ur didact follow up so its not much of a surprise for me, i imagine anything directly tied into infinite is most likely to be included in whatever form future campaign content will take, though a sequel to rubicon protocol doesnt seem far fetched either

scarlet quiver
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🤔 i would take either.
Anything to keep Halo moving forward. Just please not another 6 year hiatus.

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Which is a bit of an exaggeration. But it felt like that.

last anchor
heady geyser
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What’s everyone thoughts on part four of the firewall lore

torn lichen
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hi

hazy shadow
boreal bane
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The difference with Noble 6, is that around the few months of the game launching Bungie themselves confirmed him dead and we've seen it confirmed multiple times over the years. With Didact, no confirmation was ever given - pretty much the opposite

orchid kettle
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It's kinda sad how the idea of Chief or any lone Spartan rolling up and enlisting the help of a marine or odst squad is actually supposed to be quite rare

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I always thought those were some of the best moments in any of the campaigns

carmine sleet
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To be fair, Spartans weren't exactly commonplace during the Human-Covenant War

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It's only in the post war that more Spartans have been trained and augmented thanks to the S-IV program

orchid kettle
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I guess I mean from Chief's perspective

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He's usually the leader of Blue Team, if not the leader of a dozen spartans

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Even in silent storm, it can feel like a lot of the time, Chief is just in the same battle as the Black Daggers

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but he's not fighting with them, if that makes sense

fair hazel
dense falcon
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That's something I never understood, why is an energy beam whose purpose is to compose people, a portal?

terse sage
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How long can spartans go without sleeping?

unique rune
terse sage
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To the Domain probably

unique rune
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Yeah, the portal linked to the Composer to send the essences places. They seem to have ended up a bit all over the place.

orchid kettle
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I forget the exact amount

terse sage
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In Rubicon it sorta gives the idea that IV's can at least go a few days without sleeping

last anchor
last anchor
empty bloom
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The longest confirmed time anyone's stayed awake with active attention was 264.4 hours (11 days), and he had displayed issues with concentration, short term memory, paranoia, and extremely vivid hallucinations.

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What's fascinating is, sleep habits can be genetically linked to parents.

bitter yarrow
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He has more monologues to give I’m guessing

fair hazel
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He never died

fair hazel
orchid kettle
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Reminds me of something I heard about in comics, where a character was seemingly vaporized by a death ray

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Only to reveal they were actually chillaxing in a different dimension/time period and were fine

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Like, years after the fact or something

fair hazel
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That comic John literally specified he was contained. The wording used seems so obvious as to what it's trying to say but not everyone seems to pick up on that.

hazy shadow
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The fact that it was said in a comic and not at all portrayed by the characters' reactions in the game is the problem. Nobody acted like the Didact wasn't dead at the end of H4.

verbal pollen
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Isn't there a rule in fiction that if you didn't see them die, they're not dead

fair hazel
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When I saw him fall into the portal I didn't think he was done for.

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The threat at that moment had been averted.

orchid kettle
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there's a lot of instances where like, a character falling off a cliff was a perfectly PG way to kill a character

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precisely because you didnt have to see the splat

distant socket
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i am not sure about didact, but i vaguely remember some video that mentions about some book series in which some spartans trying to stop didact, and then didact tries to talk to this monitor or something, he comes close to activating a halo, and is stopped

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but what i remember definitely from that long ago is that didact is composed

terse lava
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Yeah that was from the comic Escalation. Multiple composers activated around him and managed to compose him. Frankly I am a tad curious as due to that, if his essence has since then been tossed into the Composer's Forge, while also being in the domain

warm ridge
spiral jewel
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as of 2560 whats the current status of Endurance Of Will, as the last we seen of her , she was being used as a part of the War games training on the Infinity in 2558-ish, but with the incident near Zeta Halo ... it seems that her whereabouts are unknown

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though i probably indirectly answered my own question

split hollow
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Is it just me or are the forerunners jerks?

vagrant palm
split hollow
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Well yeah, but, in halo 4 they attacked master chief probably almost killing him.

unique rune
unique rune
split hollow
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Yeah I can agree with that🤔

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The librarian is probably the most kindest forerunner I know of in the halo universe.

pale zenith
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super quick but laskey evac'd on a pelican

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right, when infinity was attacked

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or was he on a lifeboat pod thing

meager pier
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You think we'll learn more about the Endless between now and when the next game releases?

orchid kettle
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probably not

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unless the Endless get scrapped like the Created, then maybe we'll get some stuff about them in a book that was planned to be revealed in a game

meager pier
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Stick with a villain 343!

orchid kettle
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Really it's a miracle Atriox got to even show up for two games

meager pier
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@orchid kettle So much they can do with the Endless, especially with the likelihood of them being Precursors

unique rune
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I’m quitting if they’re Precursors

meager pier
# unique rune I’m quitting if they’re Precursors

Not to jump to conclusions, but there's a lot of evidence to support it at this point

  • Harbinger quoting Gravemind directly
  • After Lucas Browning speaks to the Harbinger, his mind breaks, similar to those who spoke to the Primordial about the Flood
  • Signal that Harbinger uses at the end of the game to locate the Endless is said to be sentient, which seems something the Precursors would have
  • Encyclopedia reveals they're attuned to Living Time, something of course the Precursors would be tuned in to

Other little stuff I missed, but overall I'd say it's looking very likely this is the direction they're heading in

plush compass
meager pier
carmine sleet
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I'm leaning towards the Endless being separate to the Precursors, Harbinger didn't exactly come across as some sort of god-like entity and having it where there were Precursors just chilling on a planet during the Forerunner-Flood War would be weird

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Being related is possible, but they don't exactly strike me as Precursor

meager pier
plush compass
unique rune
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they wouldn’t make those connections if they’re not Precursors
I mean
they absolutely could

versed helm
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Question
How is the mantis reloaded

unique rune
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I don't think the "transsentience" of the Precursors necessarily means they'd evolve/die/etc. like that either, considering their consciousness seems to be unassociated with their physical form which they could apparently change at will

versed helm
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Like I don't see it being reloaded in the middle of combat

empty bloom
versed helm
empty bloom
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You don't generally reload in the actual heat of battle unless you are extremely desperate, and the Mantis is dextrous enough to still maneuver to the right position.

Also, its missiles are likely significantly stronger in universe.

versed helm
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That's cool

meager pier
indigo arch
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Ok this brings up a new question

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Since the flood is just a separate subspecies of the precursors, would the remaining precursors be attuned to its hive mind?

carmine sleet
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I feel like subspecies is the wrong word to refer to the Flood as when talking about their relation to the Precursors

ocean tusk
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what is the issue her

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why cant i copy and paste my lore here

meager pier
final quiver
last anchor
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Why would they doubt that nukes can be small?

last anchor
verbal pollen
obtuse crow
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Facts.

icy yoke
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The W54 is yoeld is 10 to 1000 tons TNT or .01 to 1 Kiloton.

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Havoc is 30 Megatons. Yet size of a medicine ball....

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Mk 17 bomb was size of a small car... half the yield

unique rune
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well gee it's almost like there's 5 centuries between a Mark 17 and a HAVOK

empty bloom
drowsy mesa
abstract wren
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So no 6th Intel. This season was really stingy on Intel...

empty bloom
fair hazel
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Who could it be!

drowsy mesa
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definitely not the Warden

drowsy mesa
abstract wren
empty bloom
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Warden's got more of a uh... Aggressive personality, and he's of an extremely high station. I can't imagine Warden would be scared.

abstract wren
empty bloom
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What structures are cursed, shattered thrice, and big wheels?

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Halo rings.

abstract wren
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any installation ? other ring ?

empty bloom
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Well, which other ones are destroyed right now.

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Oh right, one, twice, that got replaced. And the one still around had Cortana die on it.

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It's Zeta. There really isn't much wiggle room here.

abstract wren
empty bloom
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But I'd love to hear an explanation of how this takes place on lambda Halo.

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Instead of the broken ring Cortana died at that literally has her chariot of choice in the background.

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Like, it's process of elimination, dude, it's easy to figure out here, the only reason it's not literally spelled out is because it doesn't have the words "Zeta Halo".

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Just flowery prose indicating and barely obfuscating-if you're in spray painted swim goggles- a direct answer of "What are they talking about".

abstract wren
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I don't make theories. We don't have any clue what's going on in that intel. It's emptiness. Even the place is obscure (even if Chasm is in the title)

empty bloom
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It's... Not a theory.

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If it is a theory, it's like the theory of gravity.

abstract wren
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k

empty bloom
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So that's just another indicator.

abstract wren
empty bloom
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Anyways, yeah. AI got brought with Cortana to Zeta Halo. Interesting but not surprising twist that she'd have an entourage. Wonder where this mystery AI came from.

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That said, this mystery AI kinda reflects how I've felt about the whole deal-that it's awfully convenient for Cortana to just absolve herself of her sins by dying.

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It's painfully on the nose.

orchid kettle
tight bolt
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Anyone get the lore of the current fractures event?

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I just cant connect the dots of who the two AI talking are

drowsy mesa
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One is Proxy, a new AI who makes it first appearance here
the other is Athos, a AI who worked with Linda-058 in "Halo: Lone Wolf" comic series

empty bloom
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^

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That is in-universe apparently

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Which means Executors are 'real'?

orchid kettle
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I hope so

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They're neat

unique rune
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This Fracture stuff hurts my brain

orchid kettle
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I do wonder since there has been a generally positive reception towards all the new Fracture stuff if 343 will just make all this real

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If the Banished could be made the villains of a mainline entry because HW2 had a really good trailer, anything's possible right

meager pier
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How do you feel about fracture stuff now becoming hypothetical scenarios in canon, rather than non-canon "what ifs"?

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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I'd be up for it if only because the Created are getting their best lore now

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and it'd be a shame if it was all non canon

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Like, musings that some AI may want to finish what Cortana started doesnt mean much until we actually start blasting Executors as part of a game or story

unique rune
indigo arch
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I’d love to see more of the fury tac-nukes

heady geyser
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Anyone know why the mausoleum of the arbiters ends up being out on it's own in the Cortana mission on h3? I know high charity is crashed but it was in an entirely enclosed room in halo 2, with the glass shards hanging above it, but in h3 it's just out by itself?

wet pelican
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https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/e199949a-1a00-4ef4-8d8c-53161397effe/d22acv2-b07abc17-324b-4d80-a4ef-34293e6a5723.jpg/v1/fill/w_1600,h_1265,q_75,strp/haloverse__galactic_map_by_halcylon_d22acv2-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTI2NSIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2UxOTk5NDlhLTFhMDAtNGVmNC04ZDhjLTUzMTYxMzk3ZWZmZVwvZDIyYWN2Mi1iMDdhYmMxNy0zMjRiLTRkODAtYTRlZi0zNDI5M2U2YTU3MjMuanBnIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTE2MDAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.VItMX1ZIM9DE6-zsArBefBgbrKrvvdj1EPxsyNjrQpQ how accurate is this map of the milky way in the Halo universe?

tribal trench
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That is... definitely one of the links of all time

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I'm pretty sure it's spot on

unique rune
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Ehhhh I don't think that's right

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The vast majority of human and (former) Covenant territory are concentrated within the Orion Arm of the Milky Way, which is sort of true in this map, but it still scatters a lot of former Covenant into other regions of the galaxy

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I think it also fundamentally kinda misunderstands the whole difference between Inner and Outer Colony worlds by trying to group them together as though the categorization is based on realspace proximity

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Warfleet has a galaxy map showing the approximate locations of some Forerunner installations and I don't think this matches with it either

fair hazel
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Not accurate at all indeed

hazy shadow
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It also has Earth on it, which is a violation of the Cole Protocol tashi

steep ether
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Kinda impressive that someone put that together tho

steep ether
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Also how come I only see 04, 05, and 00? I’m guessing I’m just blind but

tribal trench
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iirc

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07 was only found a little bit after the events of 2558 (a la, the created uprising)

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and every other installation has yet to be found

steep ether
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What about 03? I believe that one of the books are based there iirc. I’m entirely sure as I don’t read lol

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And 08 is traveling through slipspace off to who knows where

tribal trench
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Do you remember which book?

steep ether
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No sadly

tribal trench
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Looks like it was mentioned briefly in Hunters in the Dark

steep ether
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Also apparently Halsey is being detained there

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Mythos is one

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Spartan strike

tribal trench
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She was on the Infinity as of 2559

gilded mason
steep ether
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Well ik that 03 has been mentioned before

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06 is apparently in orbit of haakuth, somewhere in the perseus arm

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Allow me to correct myself, 08 is the one destroyed in H3. 09 is the one in HW2

meager pier
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You think we'll ever go past 2589? I think that'll always be the furthest we'll ever go in-game?

drowsy mesa
abstract yarrow
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It’s interesting that the canon fodder implies some Created survived whatever battle happened on Zeta Halo. Although that one didn’t last too long as it got trapped in the system as if something was chasing it or the building collapsing around it. Bit odd the Weapon was able to chill there for six months so maybe others could be on the ring or the Weapon was in the only secure part of the ring.

Also, they’re very keen to remind us Cortanas dead and framing that as her getting out of the consequences. I am just saying, it’s all a little sus.

Plus I’d thought Sloan making the Executors was him going rampant again but whatever linking the Domain did seems to be permanent now? I think it’s one of the first times they’ve mentioned the Domain but it isn’t clear whether they still need it to avoid rampancy. But it seems like they aren’t all going insane and Sloan is just being himself apparently. 😬

bitter yarrow
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Here’s a question or 3 , why haven’t we seen the flood on zeta halo despite was it the book points of light or the one after it blatantly saying they have breached the containment zones and are in the lower facilities. Also why have we not visited the tower of pain, not chadloks gaff but the place faber did the experiments with the flood

scarlet hinge
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as for the rest, those places are only relevant to you as an outside reader - they're unlikely to hold much immediate significance to anyone actually on the ring in 2559

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so there's not much reason to go there, and 343 evidently weren't too interested in doing so

bitter yarrow
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Like biologically speaking

scarlet hinge
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if they were thorough, then unlikely not

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they had a few tens of thousands of years to do it

bitter yarrow
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Just was curious because I remembered that was blown up for nearly 5 months by content creators

scarlet hinge
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yeah, for the most part it's definitely one of the weirder things

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out-of-universe, it's likely that the people with the power to make the decisions about what to feature in the game either didn't know or weren't too interested in following up on some obscure locations featured in one of the more obscure novels in the series

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so they simply weren't a priority to include

bitter yarrow
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Ah fair enough I just hope halo wars 2 isn’t the last time we see them

orchid kettle
bitter yarrow
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So what’s more dangerous the flood or the halo 3 rat?

orchid kettle
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well, the halo 3 rat is still alive

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That should tell you all you need to know

bitter yarrow
meager pier
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And out-of-universe, it seems like 343 isn’t interested in bringing the Flood back in-game, at least, anytime soon

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We got them in Awakening the Nightmare, but that was a special occurrence

orchid kettle
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And in Spartan Assault's co op mode

slim thorn
slim thorn
tribal trench
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Ooooh

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That was the one in 4

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right

unique rune
tight bolt
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Same tbh, never liked the flood in gameplay

meager pier
unique rune
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please no

terse lava
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I don't mind the flood as a threat, but I can't see them coming back any time soon as a main threat, as it should be.

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@meager pier I assume as in the end of the entire Halo series?(if it ever ends)

meager pier
terse lava
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Suppose I could see that

fair hazel
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Flood vs prometheans still remains here

terse lava
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Would be nice to see them go at it outside of a single cutscene

orchid kettle
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In general it'd be nice to have a third faction so we can have some three way fights back in Halo

last anchor
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As for the Weapon; she was stuck in that same pillar Chief found her in at the start of the game. Presumably her mission was never actually complete; Cortana destroyed herself before the Weapon could lock her down, and she left something behind.

plush compass
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Is ilovebees canon?

meager pier
# plush compass Is ilovebees canon?

Sorta, like there are elements that appear in other pieces of the canon
However, I think the time travel stuff is just meant to be a fun ARG thing, and not meant to actually be part of the canon

steep ether
spiral jewel
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With the recent Intel transmission, it sounded like some Created AI are wanting to repair the strained relationship between human and AI , as what occurred in 2558 was never their intention?

manic sigil
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From what I read, it kinda seemed like the Created AI are beginning to regret their choices, rather than 'the occurence' being never the intention.

pale zenith
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cant risk it tbh

tight bolt
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Real

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Delete all AI

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Except for the hot ones

carmine sleet
carmine sleet
meager pier
unique rune
carmine sleet
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Thought so

coarse crown
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Genuinely wonder how many AI got locked into long-term storage like Roland, only for them to never see the light of day again just because the UNSC has no way of determining if they're friend or foe.

terse lava
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Roland wasn't put into long-term storage though

narrow garnet
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Roland was still assisting the Infinity when last seen.

terse lava
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Likely thinking of Iona I bet, who Roland talked to in a mock trial disguised as the judge if I recall

narrow garnet
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What I would like to know is…how tf did Leonidas help destroy the S4 training station? He was destroyed by buck and the last fragment shot by Romeo on some planet at a settlement called The Hole in the wall. (Book: Halo Bad blood)

terse lava
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Implied to be another fragment I believe

narrow garnet
terse lava
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Well I mean, it wasn't denied to her, and the story, in my opinion, implied she would be freed

narrow garnet
terse lava
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Figure in the setting she would be one of a few, thanks to her case likely being used to help support those AI who didn't want to join the Created

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well it was another fragment of him

narrow garnet
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Jun tends to learn from his mistakes and trusting Leonidas was a big one

terse lava
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well in this case the fragement was apparently left on the station

narrow garnet
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Also,Jun told buck they were evacuating the station. So there really was no point in destroying it

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I may or may not have listened to the book about 5-6 times

terse lava
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I am just going with what appears to be the case. Jun missed one

narrow garnet
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That’s a possibility.

terse lava
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Still a shame the AI kinda got the kick to the curb thanks to Cortana. I get a feeliing if the Created hadn't been led by her, there might be more leeway for those who didn't join

minor sky
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Do we have any idea as to what happened to the Warden or has he just been "Gone" since Halo 5

abstract wren
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we don't know

meager pier
obsidian thistle
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And thats obviously before Halo Infinite

versed helm
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he's loading humans into his boss arena staircase cannon :D

minor sky
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Figured that'd be the case

spiral jewel
minor sky
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Sucks Halo 5's story was as bad as it was

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honestly Osiris should have been a spin-off or smth like that

versed helm
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do you think there was something more there before the story was "scrapped" and restarted?

meager pier
minor sky
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That and dealing with the grief of Cortana's death

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If Halo 4 was him fighting to save Cortana from an inevitable death, 5 should have been the aftermath of said death and how it affected chief

spiral jewel
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All things considered, Chiefs still dealing with the 5 stages of grief within the Campaign of Infinite

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Though considering the seriousness of the 5 stages of Grief... I don't blame Chief

abstract wren
empty bloom
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Huh, TIL Halo has UNSC produced Nerve Gas.

tribal trench
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huh

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interesting

austere bison
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Character Rankings by battlefield history. Dude Chief, Noble 6, Team Crimson are all rated Hyper Lethal... Watch.. Installation 00 on youtube .. Theyre best known PvE Spartans around. Spartan Ecklund from team Crimson has unveiled herself in HI. I'd say Thel Vadamee the Kaidon is also hyper lethal as in best in field. Easily matching Master Chief in H2. With The Banished from HW2 an HI it appears Atriox would also be considered in the same unstoppable class as Thel.. These above characters could probably take out a group of 4 Ardent Hunters from HI with Mythic on if locked in a room as NPC with a standard rifle... Hyper Lethal can be called S class. Spartan Ecklund might only be considered S class when part of a squad the lore hasn't confirmed this yet to my knowledge.

Where should we rank Spartans Locke, Buck, Palmer, Dinh, Agryna, an the members of Blue an Red team.??.
Spartan Team Mountain failed to survive I'd rate them as B class Team Osiris an Team Majestic probably A or S class.

I assume they would be classed just under Master Chiefs class. If you follow the story we the player are classed as Team Crimson in Halo 4 after completion of Spartan ops... Icarus. Hazardous Duty, Legend. Achievements to validate are PvE aptitude in game MCC...

carmine sleet
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All Spartans are rated hyper lethal

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And I don't think in lore they have Spartans that only run training exersises against one another

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And in Spartan Ops, we're a member of Crimson thoughout, not just at the end of it

unique rune
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A Spartan Will Rise and its consequences have been a disaster on the human race

empty bloom
unique rune
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It means your favorite nobody is an official Bungie-certified Guaranteed Pretty Cool Guy Who Kills Aleins and Doesn’t Afraid of Anything

empty bloom
# austere bison Character Rankings by battlefield history. Dude Chief, Noble 6, Team Crimson ...

That said, Spartans in general aren't reliably rated as number or letter grades. There's ones that are the best in specific fields, but they usually have some competition.

Chief's honestly better than most simply by virtue of plot armor that has outright manifested itself by Infinite into making the enemy purposely cut themselves at the achilles tendons so they have a chance to die fighting against the 'Master Chief', but Chief has never really been characterized as much of a Doomslayer type figure outside of the games. He prefers to fight pragmatically in his better written novels.

empty bloom
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Also Gameplay =/= Canon ability.

lament karma
carmine sleet
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I mean, we're seeing more of a former member in Infinite

lament karma
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True. Eklund, or Dinh I forgot?

empty bloom
lament karma
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Ah, ok

meager pier
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With potential future spin-offs, would you rather play as a Spartan-II, II, or IV?

last anchor
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More IIIs please. I want to rage as a Gamma

meager pier
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Would be so awesome to have a Headhunter game

empty bloom
tribal trench
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This is not a dating server. Take it somewhere else please.

main frost
spiral jewel
empty bloom
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Sorel stacked around 30 bodies in a hallway with boxes and screwdrivers while mortally wounded; Mako held her own in a direct fight with Jega enough to make him bleed (there is elite blood in the room with Mako's corpse); Stone managed to gut a brute in melee barehanded after 6 months of repairless fighting less than an hour after wrestling Jega hard enough to get him to retreat and getting rammed by a ghost.

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Chief managed to crush an elite's skull and... That's actually about his best solo feat in melee, last I checked.

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Oh I think he might've taken down a hunter in melee, but it's been forever since I saw FUD.

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Oh, and he beat Locke, but visibly struggled to do so for a solid half of the fight.

unique rune
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John really is just kind of the “average” Spartan in most regards, in spite of all the hype surrounding him. The one spot we know where he really excels is leadership, but even then there’s also, like, Kurt and Fred, so he’s not especially unique there either.

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# unique rune John really is just kind of the “average” Spartan in most regards, in spite of a...

Honestly, a lot of his biggest feats until 4 were easy to justify. The first three games had him getting support from a wide variety of sources and having a lot of chaos to take advantage of, 4 had him fighting alongside allies most of the game until the last two levels (and even then he's solo fighting numbers I'd hardly call 'overwhelming', even though Didact could've easily done so in the last level).

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I like to think Cortana was basically being his backbone for most of the Mantle's Approach gauntlet and interfering with every single system trying to actually send things to stop him, so that is at least an excuse. Considering a lot of the first half after the boarding is rushing to get Cortana to a Terminal, I like to think I have some weight in that argument.

austere bison
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@lament karma yes it is true. He rated Master Chief Noble 6 an Team Crimson as Hyper Lethal. That's only 3 far ahead of the rest in field. But honestly recall Thel Vadamee survived the GraveMind in H1-H3 also dude if you guys want to argue this check out installation 00 channel on YouTube the guy has done his research into STEM fields an the Halo novels.. do recall most of us would Die in H3 level Cortana on Heroic an who dares say they would have survived H2 level Grave Mind with out getting instakilled at start... Let's not forget HW2 Banished took out a giant ProtoGravemind but this was different.

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An yes John is not the best Spartan at all scenarios but with Cortana an a few other directly helped saved Earth from impossible odds mostly alone... The game almost made him out to be overpowered mc but the novels bring him back to reality

empty bloom
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All Spartans are rated Hyper Lethal. Recommending I00 isn't a panacea.

austere bison
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Yes but the spartans that are playable characters are probably top rated just by default I'm assuming

latent junco
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All Spartans are Hyper lethal to varying degrees, but Chief and 6 are the most lethal

austere bison
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Plus team Crimson play through Spartan ops SolO ... an u may begin to understand thy fear

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I guess we do have to pull from cannon but I got nothing official for Comparison from the Halo wars characters.. Yes they are all Hyper Lethal but where comparing them to other Spartans at work how likely they are to survive an complete the mission.. Sadly the Spartan 3 were wasted they lost to obvious high impact suicide missions an anger problems.

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Unfortunately Halsey is a criminal but must be classed with War crimes who would draft children this idea was terrible but did help halt destruction of humanity.

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An Ackerman SP3s bad idea to give anger implants. Anger clouds reason an more... They should have been treated less like equipment and more human

unique rune
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Like given the feats of other Spartan-IIs, -IIIs, and -IVs, putting 117 and B312 on some kind of “extra shooty cool guy killing man” pedestal is ridiculous

unique rune
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And Kurt added those augmentations to give Gamma Company an extra fighting chance under extreme duress after he watched 600 of his own Spartans die previously. Entirely in the hopes of it making it so they might live to fight another day.

minor sky
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While I think Halo 3's story did everything it needed to do, I do wish we got a little more follow up on the Brutes and Elites feud post-Halo 2

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Maybe it'd be redundant with how H2 ended or just add too much to the story, idk, I feel like the insight into the Covenant was lost in Halo 3, granted thats mainly because the Arbiter wasn't allied with them anymore, but I digress

versed helm
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Oh yeah, I agree.

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We need more Covie stories Post-Schism.

empty bloom
flat echo
meager pier
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If we get games other than mainline entries, I’m hoping it could be something other than Spartans

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343 really just focused on Spartans, while Marines, ODSTs, and the rest get ignored

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Makes the fiction feel somewhat empty

minor sky
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I don't want this to sound like me just being nihilistic or anything, but I figured I'd ask, do you guys think 343i has any idea where the story is headed? Like I'm sure they have some concept of what might come next but theres been a serious lack of narrative content outside of the games and Infinite's storyline didn't really give us a ton of stuff outside of just some basics

empty bloom
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A serious lack?

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Hah.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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No, there's been a ton.

tribal trench
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3 books have come out since Infinite released, and a 4th was just announced 2 weeks ago

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not to mention all the canon fodders

empty bloom
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But a lot haven't tied to the future of Halo, wherein lies the problem.

minor sky
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Ok, when I say "serious lack" I don't mean there hasn't been stuff

empty bloom
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It benefits noone to be disengenuous.

minor sky
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I mean just sorta in following up Infinite

empty bloom
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The most we know is that Kovan and Horvath are likely alive, and that Atriox is back in charge.

minor sky
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I don't think that 343 has no clue whats happening, but I simply was putting out a line of thought for discussions sake

empty bloom
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... I mean

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You should word your questions better

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Because that

minor sky
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Yeah ik

empty bloom
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Was literally the first implication of your statement yeah

minor sky
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I was trying to put forward the thought without trying to come off as someone who just dogs on 343i constantly or is just doomposting

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But like you said, there hasn't been a ton in terms of things expanding upon Infinite's story, least of all the Endless. I really only was thinking this because of 343's track record with narrative inconsistency

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With how in the lead up to 5 they kinda just threw out stuff from 4, and Infinite just had everything with the created happen off screen

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Also I'd point to the shakeups behind the scenes but I'm not in the mood to speculate whats currently going on at a game studio I don't work at

meager pier
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@minor sky I’m unsure if they have much idea of where things will be headed, maybe some broad strokes, but other than that, who knows
And with the campaign team laid off, I’m not expecting the next game to release anytime soon 😞

minor sky
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Yeah thats about how I feel about it

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The lack of any consistant creative vision across the games at 343i continues to be a problem

indigo arch
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In all honesty, 343 needs a game like reach or ODST again. Those two were focused on entirely different things than the rest of the halos. Reach’s goal wasn’t stop the big ring from wiping life, it was survive, make sure everyone got away, get the ai to the ship, and then die fighting.

ODST also was different. Drop, get lost, and spend an entire game finding your team helped by a ghost in a machine.

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I’d love to see a game like that, maybe detailing an ORIAN project mission, against insurgents, or a game like ODST where you play as a spartan 3 in SPI or a silent shadow.

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Or even a game where you play as a flood form. That could be interesting. Gameplay where you’re fighting, but every now and then suddenly your taken over human has a memory flash, and you play through the memory, be that a marine fighting said flood, or innies, or covies. Then back to the flood gameplay

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So much 343 could do with their lore. The amount of things they can do is ENDLESS

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(Pun intended)

bitter yarrow
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That’s the problem with wanting another game like that

orchid kettle
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The main spinoff concept I want is Halo XCOM, but the fact that Gears Tactics already exists makes me think it'll never happen

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since in MS's eyes, Halo already has two RTS games, so why bother with a turned based one

empty bloom
bitter yarrow
empty bloom
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Unless you meant 343's intended audience, which is actually Chief fanboys.

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See Infinite.

empty bloom
# bitter yarrow Idk I get the opposite vibe from twitter

Then your Twitter's a mess. Mine's mostly Bungalow fanboys pining for "The good ol days where Chief was awesome and Noble Team was everyone's favorite" shining through the cracks of thinking Spartans and Elites in general are pretty cool.

terse lava
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ODST was pretty good, lacked a focus on Chief. Wouldn't mind new spin-offs to expand the universe more through the games themselves

empty bloom
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I still think more games with stories in the vein of Spartan Strike or Assault would be neat.

terse lava
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Wasn't one of those just a wargame sim?

empty bloom
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Yes.

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Still an interesting concept.

orchid kettle
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Like Spartan Assault is you as a Spartan IV recruit playing a tablet game that stars Palmer

empty bloom
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It's more the story of what Palmer and co get up to in one, and the whole 'replaced ODST squads or something to showcase the operational differences of using Spartans"

orchid kettle
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while spartan strike has the angle of the protag being inserted into the scenario, replacing the actual operatives

empty bloom
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Which, some people being the ODST fanboys, the latter's likely less popular, but I like the concept of playing an in-universe historical sim.

orchid kettle
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I dunno if its still a tablet game in strike, I think its cooler if its at least happening "physically" for the Spartan to some extent

terse lava
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Eh I figure if they make another game, have it be an actual mission

bitter yarrow
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So uh lore question

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Is hayfever still around in halo

tribal trench
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Most diseases in Halo have been eradicated

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Cancer is considered basically an urban myth

empty bloom
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It's just an allergy to pollen, though it is likely eradicated or the occurance is far lower

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Because humans aren't really afraid of gene editing in Halo it seems

tribal trench
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I did not know that

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I have that

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lol

empty bloom
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Lmao

dense falcon
tribal trench
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Well that’s my source lol

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He hadn’t even heard of Cancer

tropic forge
empty bloom
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Huh.

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TIL.

tribal trench
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Really?

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Not to be a 🤓 but do you have a source for that?

tropic forge
tribal trench
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I’ll have to go digging

dense falcon
tropic forge
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(archived courtesy of Halopedia)

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Kat-B320 was born in the city of Monastir, one of the three "jewel cities" on the colony of New Harmony. Though her father had already been killed in action on Harvest and her mother died of cancer in 2536, the fact that her living grandmother was a retired Army General meant her conscription into the SPARTAN-III program would arouse too many political issues.

empty bloom
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I do wonder what the lore for that new BR attachment's gonna be.

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Probs some sort of 'performance package

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What was it called again?

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A-something?

tropic forge
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The S4 one? I originally thought it was going to be a Bandit situation where someone was manufacturing a licensed/unlicensed copy, but apparently it has a Misriah logo on it somewhere.

tribal trench
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Is that the lore behind the Bandit?

empty bloom
tribal trench
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I haven’t looked into much of Infinite’s stuff

empty bloom
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It was manufactured by Sevine Arms on license

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For export

tropic forge
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Yeah, company on Gao making DMRs and selling them to whoever is buying--human, former covenant, whatever.

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Great little lore detail.

empty bloom
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Which is yet another mark in 343i Halo's long history of making Battletech fan Trenchbird really happy for mentioning that Corporations exist and do things

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(Now for the love of the rings, please let me write a Halo technical Readout plz)

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(I promise I won't swear at all in it)

tribal trench
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But trenchbird, Corporations are directly mentioned in your least favorite halo game several times! You directly go to their buildings during one level!

empty bloom
dense falcon
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Imagine a telecom company having a night club only accessible by helicopter

empty bloom
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Sinoviet was actually what I was thinking of, but yeah, Vyrant counts too

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You learn that uh... Sinoviet execs have an interest in a gaudy portrayal of Chinese aesthetic sensibilities?

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I am serious though, I'd totally tag Sam and tell her this if I were less polite because I've talked to her about shoulder pads before, I have a massive interest in writing several paragraphs over pointless minutae over armor designs.

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I have an unhealthy interest in descriptions of scifi things

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It's my third favorite hobby

unique rune
empty bloom
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... The hell does that mean in regards to Halo?

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"is the strict application (sometimes even extension) of the penance given to an unrepentant and habitual offender"

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That name almost sounds like an inside joke to me lmao

unique rune
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Maybe some kind of special kit for military police...?

empty bloom
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Why MPs?

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Part of me hopes it's a sort of SBR conversion that uses magnets.

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Because I think it looks futuristic and cool and thus that equals mag weapon.

unique rune
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Just the bit about law enforcement or whatever stuck out to me

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Wouldn't be surprised if it also ends up meaning nothing outside of "we thought it sounded cool idk" either

empty bloom
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Thus far, 343's actually been pretty good about theme naming IMO.

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There's typically thought put into it.

meager pier
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Wonder how the quantum translocator fits in-universe, as that's quite wild stuff

dense falcon
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5 bucks they managed to reverse engineer the Prometheans' teleporting

tropic forge
empty bloom
outer swift
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What does shield world mean? I know it was a world that shielded you from the rings in bungie’s canon but 343 changed it and I’m not really sure what they changed it to…

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It says a traveling fortress meant to be an alternative for the rings

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That doesn’t make sense with the name or how it’s meant to be an alternative

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I read the forerunner trilogy and checked halopedia after to see if they corrected the error, but NOPE. That’s the new definition. As much as I love bungie’s universe and humans being forerunners I still enjoy 343’s universe but I don’t really understand some of these retcons.

tribal trench
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It was intended to be the Didact’s proposal for curbing the threat of the Flood. The Ecumenical Council went with the Master Builder’s Halo plan instead, but the Didact still had several Shield Worlds built

outer swift
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Were they meant to be worlds blocking the way of more important structures?

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To SHIELD them from the flood

tribal trench
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I think they were meant to be more like arks

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Like, Noah’s Ark, not like the Minor Ark

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somewhere where forerunner civilization could thrive without the threat of the Flood

outer swift
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Ok

tribal trench
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The idea is that nothing can get in or out until all the flood starves

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At least, that’s my interpretation of Greg Bear’s books

outer swift
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I do like them. Although my fav halo book will still remain Contact Harvest

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Besides that ending scene… If you know you know.

tribal trench
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The one from Halo 3?

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legendary ending?

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Oh… I see

versed helm
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Contact Harvest ends on Sergeant Johnson… Getting it on… If you know what I mean.

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It is the Frank

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arbiter my fav halo character

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Arbiter is so well written is just Halo 2 alone but his ending in Halo 3 with killing Truth at the end and saying “And so, You must be silenced” is absolutely perfect.

versed helm
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Is there any reason why spartan 2s have such unique names?

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Well not all but there's quite a few

tribal trench
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Elaborate on “unique names”

versed helm
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Jai, Vinh, Otto, Randall, Keiich

tribal trench
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I don’t remember Keiich but all those other ones aren’t particularly unique

orchid kettle
tribal trench
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Not every spartan is purely american or western european

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Reach was mainly hungarian

orchid kettle
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it feels like you go from hungarian accents to purely american ones in New Alexandria

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and the city name itself doesn't really seem related to hungarian culture

versed helm
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Keiichi* my bad

tribal trench
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Still

tribal trench
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but it also just further proves my point

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humanity is extremely diverse

versed helm
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Yeah but you'd expect atleast a name as common as luke or something

tribal trench
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Common in the west, sure

orchid kettle
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there's John and Fred

tribal trench
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If I went to russia and asked 1000 people their name, there’s a pretty damn good chance I wouldn’t hear a single “luke”

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same with japan, china, or south africa

orchid kettle
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hell all of blue team seem to have very western names

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John, Fred, Kelly, Linda

tribal trench
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yup

versed helm
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Maybe a luka

unique rune
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Yeah, most of the named ones we know of have pretty standard English language names

versed helm
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Tbh I'm just kinda disappointed there isn't a matthew/matt

tribal trench
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I swear there is

scarlet hinge
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i like the time they had a spartan from yorkshire

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and that spartan was from hell hull

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why on earth would you choose hull lmao

tribal trench
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people from Hull are just genetically superior, what can we say?

versed helm
scarlet hinge
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there is not

unique rune
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If it makes you feel any better, if there was one he probably would've died during the Fall of Reach

lament karma
bitter yarrow
fair hazel
orchid kettle
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Wasn't there

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This idea that shield worlds protected you from the rings versus being created as an alternate solution to the Flood

fair hazel
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Lack of clarification and knowledge doesn't mean change.

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And both are true.

orchid kettle
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though I dunno how much you can attribute that to Bungie when the two big examples would have been Halo Wars and Nylund's Ghost of Onyx

fair hazel
orchid kettle
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and even in that case they're both pretty different

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one is just outright a pocket dimension and the other is more like Requiem as a planet with a shell

fair hazel
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I want a halo infintie map set on Trevelyian and Onyx.

bitter yarrow
tribal trench
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We’ve had… what, 14? 15?

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How many halo games are there?

orchid kettle
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uh

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not counting remasters and re-releases

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The 5 bungos, the 3 343 games, the two tablet games, two RTS games, an arcade game

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am i missing one

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halo online...?

unique rune
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fake and not real

orchid kettle
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no campaign I guess either

tribal trench
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that makes 13 full campaigns

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Would you count the HW2 DLC as another “full” campaign or only a partial one?

unique rune
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probably just partial
neither DLC campaign is that substantial

orchid kettle
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if we mean like a full story

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its kinda arguable that the last one was Fireteam Raven

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their story sure is over lol

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Infinite and 5 both kinda have the issue of feeling like they're kickstarting the next story

unique rune
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and then because 343 has commitment problems said story never comes

orchid kettle
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and HW2 is a bit of a cliffhanger too innit

unique rune
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Yeah

orchid kettle
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Anders just captured by Cortana, Spirit of Fire and Banished still fighting on the Ark

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man, the halo universe just gets weird in late 2558 onward

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lots of stuff just left in story limbo after that point

orchid kettle
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or maybe they just really liked the idea of Guardians showing up and ruining everyone's day

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Since that happened in HW2, HtT season 2, and Legacy of Onyx

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and I don't think the intended interpretation to those cliffhangers was supposed to be "and then they all died"

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but man when we don't get a follow up for years it sure feels like that's the implication now

tribal trench
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So here’s a thing I’ve been struggling to justify for a while

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The trope of “enemy general responsible for thousands of deaths goes turncoat and suddenly is friendly now” is as old as people writing stories, particularly scifi ones

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but with Thel Vadam, he personally saw to the deaths of billions, and the glassing of dozens of no longer habitable worlds

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how can humanity forgive that, even now that his clan is friendly?

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how can they not try him for all the murders he ordered?

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and every other sangheili not part of Jul Mdama’s covenant, for that matter?

unique rune
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'Cause he could probably go Covenant War 2: Plasma Boogaloo on them if they didn't work with him. The general public doesn't have to know about his past and it's in the UEG/UNSC's better interests to stay on his good side.

tribal trench
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He killed billions of civilians and crippled the UNSC military

unique rune
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Sure, but how many people know that Thel in particular was responsible for that?

tribal trench
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At the very least, ONI

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and it’s only a matter of time before that story breaks

unique rune
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So what is the UNSC supposed to do then? Tell everyone "we're partnering with a potential war criminal to avoid extinction"?

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They're not gonna throw a powerful ally under the bus because it's "the right thing to do" because the outcome of that would probably be astronomically worse

tribal trench
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hmm…

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Yeah, I suppose…

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Humanity, while not possessing pre-war numbers, was still really powerful in the post-war

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Between the Spartan-IV program, the Infinity project, and all that reverse engineered forerunner technology, they were a force to be reckoned with

unique rune
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The other big factor here is that the Covenant pretty much just imploded into a bunch of smaller warring factions
So it does skew some things more in favor of humanity

tribal trench
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The Swords were one of the larger factions, to be fair

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and more capable in a fight, generally speaking

orchid kettle
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I was never really wild about how much humanity bounced back and how quickly from nearly being wiped out

tropic forge
orchid kettle
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I dunno if their level of power even really ended up mattering anyway, since the Didact disables the Infinity immediately, the ship is barely in 5, and it gets grizzled in Infinite

tribal trench
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Yeah straight forerunner tech kinda trumps everything huh

orchid kettle
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I guess Spartan Ops is this big planetary war

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though I think its also the conflict I had the least interest in

empty bloom
tribal trench
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Honestly

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Honestly

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I would have taken up Locke’s proposal

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assassination disguised as political killing

empty bloom
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I'm not saying that Locke or even ONI is wrong in the desire, but the reason why it's a dumb move is because that is a powder keg with waaaaaaay too much pointed at me.

unique rune
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That could work but then you risk someone super anti-human taking over in the ensuing power struggle

empty bloom
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Humans fight bravely, sure, but they're also well known for sneaky, underhanded tactics.

orchid kettle
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Yeah in a galaxy full of enemies, there's no real point in making your only friend angry

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I mean I guess we have some grunt friends because they show up in Legacy of Onyx

empty bloom
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I could see the first blame going towards humanity if even an inkling of doubt existed.

unique rune
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At least in the case of Thel he was mostly respected by a good chunk of the Sangheili, so if ONI had gone through with an assassination and, I dunno, installed someone else at the top, who knows if their replacement would be able to maintain the same authority.

tribal trench
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This has definitely worked out for intelligence agencies before

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Yup

empty bloom
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Because humans are so good at puppet statesmanship.

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Yep.

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Except this org is still capable of absolutely steamrolling you if you aren't careful.

tribal trench
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I wouldn’t say steamrolling per se, at least not until the Created uprising

orchid kettle
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Who would win

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the infinity

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or that random sniper ship from Fall of Reach

tribal trench
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Depends on who fires first.

brittle thistle
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the random sniper ship, they had good snipers

tribal trench
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A single shot from one of the Infinity’s Super MACs would absolutely gut that ship

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But the same could be said for the ship @ infinity

unique rune
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Given the Infinity's track record, probably the sniper ship just because Infinity is cursed or something

brittle thistle
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I mean, they got kat but then again kat is a spartan not a ship.

unique rune
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It really is funny just how often Infinity seems to just get owned despite being "the most powerful vessel humanity has"

orchid kettle
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That's kinda the problem with giving the heroes a superweapon

brittle thistle
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they seem to take the L every time they try to enter into a conflict

orchid kettle
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you need to have it not be around if you actually want the story to happen

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Gotta construct the situation in such a way that solving it doesn't involve super mac'ing it from orbit

tribal trench
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as cool as that would be

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I ran numbers a while ago for how powerful a super MAC blast from the infinity would be

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iirc it would have been somewhat comparable to the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs, give or take

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just from the sheer speed

brittle thistle
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Yeah but could you hypothetically concentrate an explosion that large, much less blow up yourself in the process?

empty bloom
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We just see it get jobbed.

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Still, I think the Infinity would've been better as a jobrunner and if it had just deployed a strike force and dipped in Infinite

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Rather than getting BTF(rick)O

distant oxide
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It's a shame that the big green guy who's from fortnite got sent into space at on the pillar of autumn mission such a shame halo is copying fortnite.

heady geyser
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Which ship would win in a head to head battle the infinity or the pillar of autumn

unique rune
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Infinity's much more powerful MACs and having energy shields should make it a pretty easy win against a mothballed old cruiser brought out for one last ditch mission

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(Granted I am underplaying the Autumn's RED FLAG refit a bit but in general I don't think it would be terribly consequential against Infinity)

empty bloom
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It's not even a challenge for the Infinity.

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Barely a speed bump.

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More of a small pothole at worst.

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It's worth noting that the Infinity straight up disintegrates a Cruiser that would've been a legitimate threat to the Autumn in 2559 while committing to OPERATION WOLFE.

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Not with its full weapon compliment, either. A single spinal gun tap.

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I'd go so far as to say the Infinity would still win with Del Rio as its captain if its sole opposition was a Cortana-and-Keyes crewed Autumn post RED FLAG Refit in a duel.

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The Infinity is that much of an overmatch.

tribal trench
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isnt the infinity like

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literally 5x the size

unique rune
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As long as we ignore the goofy Warthog run distance in CE, yeah, that sounds about right

empty bloom
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Infinity also weighs 907 million metric tons to the Autumn's 11 million metric tons.

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The Autumn's a Light Cruiser btw

unique rune
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...Would this hypothetical include Infinity's sub-vessels?

Not that it does anything to skew this match up even remotely in the Autumn's favor

empty bloom
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The Infinity might stand a chance against two of the Frigates that are housed inside the Infinity, lmao.

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You're also stacking a singular three shot light MAC versus four MACs that put out more firepower than an SMAC individually, each.

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Like, I really can't overstate how much of an absurd overmatch this is for the Infinity, lmao. It's just straight up being mean.

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It's like throwing a coughing baby against the Hulkified Pitbull from the 2003 Hulk movie.

gray charm
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Can someone help me understand where and why the flood came out like how did they get here,why are they here,and why they attack us?

tribal trench
gray charm
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Which is better

dusty ferry
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read the forerunner trilogy

gray charm
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Okay where do I read that

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Sorry I don’t know most of this

dusty ferry
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your local library or kindle i guess?

gray charm
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Problem,I ain’t got either of those near me,could you just tell me? Sorry for the inconvenience

tribal trench
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it’s a book trilogy lol

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buy it on amazon, or get it on audible and listen to it in audiobook form

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or you could get it on the kindle app on your phone/tablet

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each book is 400 pages or something like that

gray charm
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Oh bet,thanks

abstract wren
empty bloom
meager pier
empty bloom
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The last known identified precursors or precursor variants are the ones currently outward bound from the Milky Way Galaxy.

meager pier
empty bloom
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No idea what you're on about.

carmine sleet
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I don't think we have enough evidence that they definitely are Precursors in a new form, but I can buy them being something created by them

meager pier
# empty bloom No idea what you're on about.
  1. Harbinger quoiting Gravemind directly and in the same cadence, when she speaks to Lucas Browning
  2. Browning goes nuts after hearing from the Harbinger (like when Humans spoke to the Primordial)
  3. Even before seeing the Harbinger, as he’s heading down the hallway to her office, Browning’s vision becomes tunnel/cavern-like, harkening back to the Gravemind moments in Halo 3
  4. Harbinger saying the Forerunners’ lies are at an end, what we know of history could be wrong
  5. They’re said to be worse than the Flood, which is a form the Precursors have now, thing that would be worse than the Flood would be another version of the Precursors
  6. The signal looking for the Endless at the end of the game is said to be sentient (which would make sense give neural physics)
  7. the encyclopedia mentions that they are attuned to Living Time
    Really feels like they’ve laid the hints and indications, don’t think they’d set this up just for the writers to go “they’re actually just a new species”
empty bloom
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That's a lot of words

unique rune
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I mean I feel like a lot of this could be attributed to just them being attuned to Living Time

and not being directly related to the Precursors in any way

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and we don’t even really know what makes them “worse” than the Flood
it could be just that they’d mean bad things if infected by the Flood
or that their entire existence/survival/imprisonment could be used to tarnish the reputation of the Forerunners (more than it arguably already has been)

than in any sense of directly threatening all life in the galaxy

meager pier
terse lava
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I figure at best, they could have been another possible choice for the Mantle, had Humanity failed somehow

unique rune
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At least not towards a direct connection with the Precursors

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Like Cortana quotes the Didact directly in H5 but as far as we know it’s not like he had any direct role in the actions of the Created

empty bloom
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But like... She's literally planning on making a nanny state that shelters civilizations from war and strife. Making sure they know no more starvation or envy or whatever is kind of the entire point of that sort of mantle.

meager pier
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@unique rune They're more than likely intended to be hints

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All this stuff added together, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, maybe it's a duck

unique rune
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It’s all really superficial and vague though

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Acting as if they’re absolutely going to be revealed as Precursors doesn’t make sense

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Maybe they’ll be more closely linked to the Precursors than other extant factions in the Halo universe but making them actual Precursors? Doesn’t even really make sense

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It’d screw with the power scaling of the universe real hard and doesn’t align with what we know about the Precursors either

meager pier
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@unique rune Would be funky to make these teases, to then just pull the rug out from under us, and since they're a less evolved version of the Precursors, you wouldn't have to deal with the crazy power scaling
With Cortana saying worse than the Flood, idk how the Endless could live up to that build-up if they're NOT Precusors

empty bloom
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Poor threat alignment choice regarding wording or present a different type of threat that can be construed as worse.

tight bolt
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I hope they're not related to the Flood, i always disliked it

ripe basalt
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well, as far as we know, the one thing we DO know about the endless that makes them worse than the flood is that they can time travel. and who knows? maybe 343 wants to keep this a surprise until the next halo game where THEY (or some other gaming studio whenever they make a new, much better halo game) decides to revile everything about who the endless are!

unique rune
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the one thing we DO know about the endless that makes them worse than the flood is that they can time travel
...No? They have zero ability to time travel that we know of.

meager pier
tribal trench
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Where did you get the bit about time travel?

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I think I might know what you are thinking of

ripe basalt
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well, some fans DID say that they can time travel when they brought up the subject on HaloWaypoint fourms, (before 343 closed it) and honestly, i think it would be REALLY COOL if we faced an enemy who can time travel. remember when the harbinger teleportation thing? it's like she can already predict the future of where the master chief was going to strike and then teleport away before he gets there!

tribal trench
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Even the precursors couldnt time travel

meager pier
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@tribal trench Some fans get the notion that they can time travel due to the legendary ending dialogue, not realizing its symbolic rather than literal

tribal trench
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Ah

ripe basalt
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hmm... i don't think so: like the chief said, "This ring, it's different than the others." and even if the endless DOESN'T have the ability to time travel, then maybe there's some kind of mechanism that CAN make you time travel. and forget about what 343 says, we want a halo game that feels more amazing and exciting than all the previous halo games combined, and i think being able to time travel would be a GREAT experience for all of us!

unique rune
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Some people interpreted it as time travel because they assumed the timestamp was for the entire cutscene rather than just the Legendary-only Forerunner dialogue stuff

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we want a halo game that feels more amazing and exciting than all the previous halo games combined
who is "we"

ripe basalt
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uh, all of us?

unique rune
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wrong

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anyone who claims that fans are unified and have any idea of what they collectively want is delusional or lying

meager pier
tribal trench
latent junco
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Dew it

ripe basalt
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no no no... look, what i'm trying to say is... it would be a very interesting experience if we had a halo game where you are fighting an enemy who would be able to time travel! okay, lets say you play that kind of halo game. now think about it for a moment. think about how would the story turn out, what the master chief has to go through, and how will it end, and then tell me what your thoughts are.

unique rune
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Whatever Halo game you're imagining is going to be wildly different from the one that I imagine. And mine different from the next person's.
And so on and so forth

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Like in my mind that sounds super lame because an enemy who can time travel could just repeatedly cycle back time and put the player character into an endless loop of defeat only overcome by silly contrivance

wicked wasp
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In my opinion I feel like Halo: Reach would've been slightly better if in the first mission you fight Insurrectionists for the first half of the mission.

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Would've been cool.

ripe basalt
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would you change your mind if i said that not only the endless can time travel, but the master chief can also time travel and that the Flood and the arbiter would return?

wicked wasp
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@ripe basalt how would you feel about a halo tactical game

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I feel like if there was to be another ODST game it would need to be a tactical shooter

unique rune
carmine sleet
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And like, for the time travel, I'd want it to be handled in a way where there's a reason you can't just use it to win easily

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Like, there's only two specific points in time that you can travel between and because of that, the invaders still have to do a proper campaign against the good guys. But even then, not exactly something I can see Halo doing any time soon

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Plus like, we don't need time travel to bring back Arbiter, he isn't dead

modest cradle
carmine sleet
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Yeah

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And like, I'm British, I'm a sucker for good time travel stories

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But I wouldn't exactly say that Halo is where I am in desperate need for time travel stories

modest cradle
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What-if scenarios would be cool, but apart from that, meh.

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Like "What if Arbiter was on Zeta Halo" or "What if Sgt Johnson survived the Ark"

dapper crypt
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Does anybody know what model of autocannon the [S] Cyclops uses?

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cant find any specifications for it

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just 'wrist-mounted autocannon'

unique rune
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I don't think we have anything more detailed on the Mk.III[S]'s specs

compact hinge
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has anyone in halo lore actuallythought of strapping a slipspace drive to a high yield nuclear warhead , giving it automated coordinates then having a terminal normal space guidance accelerated at a % of the speed of light into the target?

unique rune
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I'm pretty sure slipspace drives are generally considered much too expensive to use simply to guide bombs

steep ether
vagrant palm
fair hazel
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You don't ram things at a percentage of the speed light with slipspace.

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It's doable to strap a nuke into a slipspace missile, expensive but doable, but they emit cherenkov radiation so they're still detectable.

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They sent Spartan-IIIs because nuclear bombs sent into slipspace would be detectable.

flat echo
empty bloom
# compact hinge has anyone in halo lore actuallythought of strapping a slipspace drive to a high...
  • Yes. That was actually one of the plans to deal with the things they used Alpha and Bravo Companies of IIIs on, as Pins said.
  • You wouldn't get anything noticeablyextra by lightspeed% ramming a nuke rather than a solid tungsten rod (Which is also why the Railgun in 4/5 would make more sense with solid slug than HE rounds), but slipspace doesn't innately provide much, if any, extra thrust.
  • As Pins said, yeah, it's not very stealthy, and the Covenant does know to shoot down UNSC thingimabobs.
empty bloom
flat echo
empty bloom
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And even if it did, kinetic kill projectiles like that wouldn't even need a nuclear payload.

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Ramming realspace in slipspace is impossible, yeah.

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Though things somehow end up in slipspace that shouldn't be there...

last anchor
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That hasn't been brought up since Fall of Reach even

empty bloom
civic forge
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What parts of the events of halo the fall of reach are canon with halo reach overwriting and supplanting ? Is there a coherent story for that timeline?

gusty star
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Would recommend Halo Canon’s Fall of Reach timeline video, it merges all the stories pretty well

empty bloom
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Long and the short is that both happened, and the Reach game half was mostly covered up by ONI.

abstract wren
empty bloom
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I could've swore it got noted at some point.

abstract wren
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To me everything is real. And only some chronology of the last day is shucky

empty bloom
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Halo Reach's timeframe is actually really nasty because only one day was the original issue.

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I'm still really trying to figure out where I got that comm blackout thing from.

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I know the Covenant were performing a significant part of that.

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Amusingly, one of the Fall of Reach comics (Issue 4) has a pic of Johnson wearing a weird ODST-Mark IV hybrid armor.

abstract wren
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ONI related is only on the fact that there is combat on Reach but not everyone knows

hollow tapir
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How long is marine basic training and specialist training?

fair hazel
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ONI did keep in the dark so a lot didn't even know

civic forge
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Thank you for explaining CSGOChief

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I'm glad both timeliness are canon

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There was a news story where bungie said the game' events overwrote the book

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So I was confused and disappointed

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But glad its not

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Currently reading the entire book series in release order. I've reached Cole Protocol

carmine sleet
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Hell yeah, I love Cole Protocol

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It's got my favourite Spartan team

quiet shoal
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So how does the campaign revive system from halo 5 work in lore?

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Is it simply gameplay or is it canon

empty bloom
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Alternatively, it's an externally triggered regen field.

quiet shoal
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Oh cool

dusty ferry
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It just fits

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especially with the Halo 5 Gen 2 having a ton of the older stuff integrated into the main suit

autumn creek
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so reach was unhabitable due to the glassing but even 30 years later in 2587 the UNSC were still performing rehabilitation efforts on the planet im i right?

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in my opinion we noble 6 could have boarded the pillar of autumn and join the chief

empty bloom
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The only reason the Autumn survived til takeoff is because Six took back the Onager.

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If Six didn't, the cruiser would've glassed the Autumn and killed all aboard.

autumn creek
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but who knows🤷‍♀️

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it never happened

empty bloom
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It's pretty explicitly pointed out by the fact that the Autumn just dies if you don't do anything at the gun.

autumn creek
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fair

gusty star
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Bro’s argument is gone💀

last anchor
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As is usual

warm wigeon
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the retcons to make Halo Reach work with the books are ridiculous and convoluted not too mention inconsistent

vagrant palm
orchid kettle
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Honestly all things considered, Reach isn't even that egregious of a retcon. Sure, when you lay it out in a timeline sense, you get oddities like Chief hanging out and testing his armor on a planet that's currently being warred over

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But there's really not much that changes thematically or tonally about the story of Reach's inevitable fall

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Lots of people died, there was a moment of hope after defeating a brand new covenant supership that was dashed when a full invasion fleet showed up and overwhelmed the UNSC

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and Fall of Reach already had the idea that finding Halo was thanks to analyzing a previously found forerunner artifact, and not truly a random jump like she will claim during the CE intro cutscene

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Its just, Fall of Reach doesn't really work as a game because the actual battle was over and done with in 40 pages or so

abstract wren
orchid kettle
civic forge
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Even though Fall of Reach wouldn't have made the best game, halo reach could've worked to tie in neatly with the material already published. After watching halo canons reach timeline its clear that when you merge the two timelines together you dont get a neat piece of fiction. I'm still thinking what was bungie thinking when they wrote the fiction for the game

orchid kettle
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But I don't think the spirit of the story really is altered

orchid kettle
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Which yeah, they should have recognized that the book, whether they like it or not, exists and is generally liked by their fans

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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But on some level I can sympathize with wanting to take back control of a narrative that was previously influenced by Microsoft's demand for first party Xbox titles to have companion books

abstract wren
meager path
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I liked halo reach (the game) a lot and the story it told so i'm satsified. I think we can live in a world where the people who prefer the game have their version of events and the people who enjoy the book has their version of events

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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Besides Harvest, which may have been a Nylund invention to begin with, Reach seemed like the only bit of backstory they ever really gave the universe in the games

abstract wren
civic forge
abstract wren
meager path
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idk, it's very much plausible to make it make sense with both the book and the game but I prefer the game over the book anyways so y'know

orchid kettle
orchid kettle
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if you believe Frankie, he claims he wrote most of Reach

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but coincidentally none of the stuff that people take issue with

civic forge
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Similarly, I don't like the halo tv series being based on a fake story

orchid kettle
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how exactly that works, I have no idea

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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At least, thats what Nylund attests to in his blog

abstract wren
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Like most of the things in the book.
Its just that they were letting the author do most of it because they sulked

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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that the issue was Chief being explored at all instead of remaining faceless from the player's perspective

abstract wren
orchid kettle
abstract wren
abstract wren
orchid kettle
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yeah I dunno exactly how that works

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since like, the Latchkey discovery eventually ending up in Keyes' hand is surely like

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the main plot

abstract wren
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like any team, there is struggle and factionnalism, especially after Halo 2 and the whole Arbiter thing

orchid kettle
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besides the alien invasion

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Im also not sure what he means by "date" retcon

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was the whole game gonna take place in 12 hours?

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Very strange, and very weird that a twitter post made a decade after the fact is how we find out about this

abstract wren
abstract wren
civic forge
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What was 343's rationale for the fake plot of halo tv series ?

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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unless like, he wrote all the ambient, random character dialogue

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and that counts as "most" because its most of the word count lol

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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I guess I shouldn't point fingers, if I wrote anything that ended up in a piece of media half as successful as Halo, I'd be riding that high too

civic forge
abstract wren
orchid kettle
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Makes you wonder how different Bungie would be today if Halo CE came out and it was just a humble success

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and they just didn't make a sequel

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and experience the horror of Halo 2's development

civic forge
abstract wren
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Totally different studio for sure.

civic forge
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Halo CE came out at just the right time. There weren't many great fps that time

compact hinge
abstract wren
orchid kettle
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I do kinda wonder though how many elements of Reach's story were influenced by ODST-- or vice versa

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I know both were being made around the same time, and it feels like no coincidence that both featured six man teams of special op soldiers in which you are the faceless newbie

civic forge
abstract wren
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Medal of Honor was in 1999 and Half-Life

orchid kettle
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Kat and Carter were even supposed to have a previous relationship like Dare and Buck

civic forge
abstract wren
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In a alternate timeline Bungie was an Apple developper 🙂

orchid kettle
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you can look it up on youtube

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somebody brings up that cut element of Carter and Kat being old flames, and I think Frankie or Marty or somebody says "well that's still true"

abstract wren
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well, you know if there is a women character, there must be a romance right ? (sarcasm)

orchid kettle
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that sure is a trope in halo

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but i dunno at the same time

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I can appreciate these human characters liking each other

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and having interests outside of shooting aliens

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it sure is out of nowhere in Contact Harvest

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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I feel like its probably older than that

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but halo specifically kinda has had this issue of women barely being present, and when they are, you have to make them romantically available to another male character

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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shoutout to Dirt for like, the only gay character in the series

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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I guess there's no such implication with Tanaka, Vale, Palmer, or Grant

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but I still think its weird that Lopiz is into Fred

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given her backstory and established fear of intimacy

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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he just looks so good without a shirt on it cures her ptsd

abstract wren
orchid kettle
abstract wren
orchid kettle
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At least, not compared to Rion and her daddy issues

abstract wren
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And I'm not saying that there can't be any straight relation too.
Its just not the only relation possible and automatic

orchid kettle
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but I think between the two, Kelly Gay is just a lot more invested in a character's emotions than Denning tends to be

abstract wren
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Like Cortana/John.
To me, there is not romantic relationship. (because she's an IA)

orchid kettle
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I don't think there is either

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(because she's a clone of his mom)

abstract wren
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But for a lot of player and a lots of developpers, there is

abstract wren
civic forge
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Chief and cortana is not an interesting romance

civic forge
orchid kettle
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Of course, the want or the expectation for romance isn't really a guy only thing

abstract wren
orchid kettle
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I write bad fanfic about some Halo OCs going on adventures

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and my fiancé told me she wants there to be romance in it

warm wigeon
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after Infinite just kinda done with Halo

civic forge
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I havent finished infinite yet so please don't spoil story

warm wigeon
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it was just anticlimatic as all hell and this was 343's last chance to pull me back in and they failed colossally

civic forge
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Imo bungie made halo great, 343 not so much

warm wigeon
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can't tell if your being sarcastic or not

civic forge
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I was being literal. I enjoyed all of bungies halo games but 343 hasn't produced the magic that bungie has

abstract wren
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And yet : Halo 4 is here.

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All of the books are here too

civic forge
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Halo 4? Halo infinite!

abstract wren
#

Its just nostalgia that speak

civic forge
abstract wren
#

What's the connection between the gameplay and the armor ?

civic forge
abstract wren
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Gameplay of Halo 4 is very good

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Don't care at all about that. It's just creativity of 343

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DA/ design is irrelevant to me. And it should be for everyone. Its an artistic view

orchid kettle
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Personally I enjoy Infinite's gameplay the best out of the 343 games

warm wigeon
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oh how wonderfully mediocore and mundane what's the cohesive storyline from 4-5-6

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@orchid kettle reminds me of 3 honestly

orchid kettle
#

checkmate

abstract wren
orchid kettle
warm wigeon
#

try the mirror if you are looking for toxicity

civic forge
orchid kettle
abstract wren
orchid kettle
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because I do like it a lot

abstract wren
abstract wren
orchid kettle
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yeah, its hard to be excited about the next game when its very much on the table that what came before will be tossed in the trash

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even if I didn't like Halo 5

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its not a reassuring precedent to set

abstract wren
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And the continuity between Halo 4 and Halo 5 is stronger then in Halo Infinite with any other one...
Its a real shame (but see my previous point on toxicity)

orchid kettle
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even in 5, never forget Jul being killed in the first mission

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granted Jul's only really a thing in Spartan Ops

abstract wren
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and he was prepared in books before as a antagonist.
Just like the Didact.
Wasted potentionnaly because the fans didn't like it because "it was not Halo" and "in the books"

orchid kettle
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like a comic superhero does

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and Sloan was originally slotted as 5's antag and the leader of the created

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rather than Chief fighting one guy for three games, like we all assumed the Didact was gonna be