#lore-and-universe

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empty bloom
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I'd assume yeah

wispy edge
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Yeah but richtofen has also killed gods

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Plus there's the summoners key

empty bloom
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I don't know zombies lore. If he's a godlike being, problably not. If he's the same mortal he's been a few times, then he could problably just get killed by a sidekick shot to the skull.

wispy edge
empty bloom
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Hell, if he's just a normal dude I'd wager a few Marine MPs with nightsticks could just club him to death if he was an unarmed human.

wispy edge
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Richtofen mostly used it to travel through the victis and ultimis universes and trap the ultimis crews souls in it after he killed them

tawny fox
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Though it’s been a long time since I played zombies so I forgot some of the lore. I’m pretty sure Richtofen was just a normal human scientist before getting involved with the Dark Aether and time traveling or whatever

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The UNSC might have some trouble but they probably will eventually kill him

versed helm
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I gave up trying to understand the zombies storyline when I found out that there were multiple timelines and characters from different universes and such.

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Reminds me of the terminator movies, just can’t wrap my head around it

scarlet hinge
wispy edge
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He's time traveled so much that there is enough element 115 in his blood to power a portal

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(I'm talking about primis not ultimis)

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But we have some magic goobaly gock like the staffs and the summoners key

quiet shoal
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ODST lockclear was the coolest book ODST imo

fair hazel
clear beacon
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Literally talking about a didact continuation story a couple days ago

clear beacon
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I think the way they went out was very ODST

quiet shoal
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Indeed

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Went out with a massive bang

nimble heart
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Man, why are they bring him back. Let him die

unique rune
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I mean. The point of Epitaph is kinda to finally conclude the Didact’s role in the current universe. He’s been stuck in story limbo for years and they’re finally trying to close it out.

clear beacon
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I keep forgetting to turn off the ping, my bad.

clear beacon
plush compass
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Doesn’t the didact have some sort of logic plague thingy

clear beacon
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I don't think so.

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I think he just went mad.

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Let me double check.

plush compass
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Yeah maybe it’s the other didact

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Because there’s like two of them or something

clear beacon
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There's the ur-didact which is the one that went mad. And the iso-didact that activated the halo-array

plush compass
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I always thought it was weird that there were two directs

clear beacon
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Have you read the forerunner trilogy?

plush compass
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No but I’ve read halopedia and watched lots of videos

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Didn’t the didact like put his mind inside another forerunner or something?

clear beacon
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Kind of

peak otter
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I have a question for anyone who knows I am still newer to the halo world mind you: Did cortana choose noble team for the mission to get her off reach for a specific reason

clear beacon
plush compass
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Probably because 6 is hyper lethal and stuff

clear beacon
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Yar^

peak otter
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I am not sure where I heard it from but someone said noble team each had a quality of the master chief and together they were a close approximation of him

flat echo
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and thus been stuck in like 50k years in pure silence

clear beacon
flat echo
clear beacon
peak otter
clear beacon
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Not all of them make militias go away or save the galaxy

plush compass
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Yeah but the problem is that Halo Reach conflicts with the Book Halo: the Fall of Reach in some parts

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So there’s some fogginess

flat echo
clear beacon
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With things like this you gotta squint a bit

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Bungie wanted to do their own thing with reach :(

plush compass
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Yeah reach was still great game

flat echo
plush compass
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Wish they made a space battle game though

clear beacon
flat echo
flat echo
clear beacon
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Oh expanded Universe

flat echo
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expanded universe (anything not games)

clear beacon
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Yar

plush compass
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Oh

clear beacon
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Whaaaat

plush compass
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343 or bungie didn’t like the EU?

flat echo
plush compass
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Ah

clear beacon
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I think the book's telling of reach was better than the game, personally

plush compass
clear beacon
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Don't get me wrong I love noble team but there's just something about a squad of 20+ Spartans free falling to earth and holding back a borderline armada

clear beacon
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💀💀💀

plush compass
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No 💀

clear beacon
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Aint no way

plush compass
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I thought first strike took place after

flat echo
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there's also the lack of different vehciles which SoF had available and would've helped a lot

flat echo
clear beacon
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The beginning of it explains what the other 20+ Spartans that weren't Chief, Linda, and that one who lost his arm did

plush compass
plush compass
clear beacon
plush compass
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Huh

clear beacon
plush compass
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I really need to get more books

clear beacon
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I have about half of them

plush compass
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I’ve literally only read Fall of Reach and The Flood and Evolutions

clear beacon
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Reading Rubicon protocol rn

plush compass
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Rubicon is like Infinites time right

clear beacon
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No shade

flat echo
plush compass
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Did the wider UNSC ever have access to the new vehicles in Halo Wars 2?

clear beacon
flat echo
plush compass
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Nice

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That means that they could be in a future mainline game

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Jackrabbits would be kinda neat in infinite for like quick ground travel

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Although I don’t get why the banished had none of their high tech vehicles in infinite

flat echo
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mostly for nostalga, thats also kinda why everything is more closer to the covenant than the banished

clear beacon
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Also a lot of the banished was destroyed on the ark

flat echo
clear beacon
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By Cutter and SoF

plush compass
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Yet the biggest ship with the most advanced tech gets destroyed by like just some ships

flat echo
clear beacon
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Ong

plush compass
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They kinda could’ve gone to add some more HW2 stuff to infinite though

clear beacon
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👹👹👹

plush compass
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They need to add 👹 to halo

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👹 would be super cool

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He’d beat Craig in a fist fight any day

surreal glen
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Has it ever been explained why the Covenant primarly has purple vehicles?

unique rune
surreal glen
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Or why the UNSC vehicles are named after animals, while Covenant vehicles are named after supernatural spooky entities

unique rune
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Just UNSC naming conventions

flat echo
unique rune
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Covenant vehicle names as we know them are UNSC nicknames for them

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Kinda like how NATO assigns Soviet/Russian military equipment specific reporting names

surreal glen
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Well it makes sense for me

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After all, Grunts, Jackals, Elites, Hunters, those are definitely how humans call them, not the Covenant themselves

terse sage
surreal glen
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If the Infinity wasn't in need of constant repairing, maybe her sister ship, the UNSC Eternity, could see the light of day

flat echo
terse sage
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By this point it's safe to assume that the Created took control of the Eternity

flat echo
surreal glen
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Are the Created defeated after Cortana's sacrifice tho?

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Or they just don't have a leader now

flat echo
terse sage
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I'm pretty sure Sloan is now in charge

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iirc

surreal glen
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Would make sense seeing how he betrayed Fireteam Osiris

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Or, all of Meridian

flat echo
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I would assume by the title "high Auxiliary" but perhaps perhaps not

surreal glen
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Might be interesting what Mendicant Bias and maybe Offensive Bias' roles be in this AI uprising

plush compass
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Yeah I was just thinking that

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I’d guess he’d just metaphorically slap them and say “I tried that and everything died”

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If mendicant did it

surreal glen
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Wouldn't be the first time Mendicant Bias messes things up

flat echo
plush compass
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If offensive bias saw them he’d just slap them and then kill them

terse sage
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Don't forget we saw one of them in the Halo Infinite trailer

plush compass
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The trailer?

terse sage
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In the reflection of Master Chief's visor

plush compass
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Huh neat

terse sage
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Never saw it in game, which was a bit dissapointing

plush compass
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I knew they said that “offensive bias has returned” in the legendary ending though

surreal glen
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After all the most accepted theory is that Mendicant Bias was responsible for taking the Forward Unto Dawn with the Chief to Requiem and the Spirit of Fire to the Ark, he tries to help, but it backfires

plush compass
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(Even though I haven’t even tried infinite legendary)

terse sage
surreal glen
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And apparently Forge mode is canon, monitors do have the capacity to move Forerunner pieces and build

plush compass
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Yeah mendicant was down there and the banished were meddling and so Mendicant said “frick these fools I need someone to get these apes off this flower shaped hula hoop

terse sage
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But what did Mendicant have to do with the Forward Unto Dawn arriving on Requiem?

flat echo
plush compass
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Why would mendicant send it to requiem though?

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Did he want to free the didact?

surreal glen
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Yep, while the explosion of the incomplete ring would have made the FUD change course as it crossed the slipspace portal that originally connected Earth and the Ark, getting into another planet, a Forerunner shield world coincidentally, is no casuality

flat echo
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most likely because of the librarian than anything else

terse sage
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I thought the portal collapsed due to damage done to the Ark

plush compass
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Oh yeah librarian wanted to like put the librarian super magic power inside of Chief

surreal glen
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Freeing the Didact was definitely not part of the plan

flat echo
plush compass
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Maybe knew the Storm Covenant were going to free didact so he sent Chief there to stop it?

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Except that’d mean somehow mendicant knew about the storm covies

terse sage
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Storm covenant didn't exist yet

plush compass
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Yeah

terse sage
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The covenant had collapsed maybe a day before that

surreal glen
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Not like they could since Forerunner artifacts can't be operated by anyone else other than humans and Chief was supposedly, the first human on Requiem, in a long time at least

flat echo
plush compass
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Maybe Mendicant just chose a random forerunner world to send him to so he could do some reclaiming

meager pier
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Anyone else feel kinda bittersweet about Epitaph? Of course it’s nice to see him return, but with his being his final entry after such a long hiatus and wasted potential, I feel pretty mixed

terse sage
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Depends on how good Epitaph is

plush compass
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By him do you mean Mendicant or Didact?

meager pier
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Didact

surreal glen
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It's the same I think about Halo 3, humanity gave the Covenant a chance to win by following them through the portal, because had they not followed, the Covenant wouldn't have had a human to activate the rings

flat echo
terse sage
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We see in Halo 2 that the covenant sometimes take prisoners

flat echo
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like how they didnt need a human to activate the ships in Halo wars but did to make it faster

terse sage
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Might have had a few prisoners with them when they travelled to the ark

surreal glen
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I'll take the prisoners explanation

plush compass
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Covenant trying to go one minute without kidnapping a human to activate a space hula hoop:

surreal glen
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Monitors call humans reclaimers for a reason

flat echo
plush compass
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Who were the precursor’s third choice to take the mantle?

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I hope it was the grunts

surreal glen
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I bet it was

terse sage
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Probably San Shyuum or Sangheili tbh

flat echo
meager pier
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I’m guessing the book is gonna be about Didact coming to terms with everything he did and what he became, and him reaching the Epitaph tower is gonna be a metaphorical journey for him to come to a sorta conclusion like Walt did at the end of Breaking Bad: “I did it for me”

plush compass
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Doesn’t Walter white die in breaking bad

surreal glen
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Sangheili are not a bad choice, they are about as smart and competent as humans

meager pier
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@plush compass Yeah

plush compass
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And would that make the didact a meth dealer?

flat echo
surreal glen
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The prophets were pretty much space popes

terse sage
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I think the Sangheili should have done it because they are (mostly) levelheaded

flat echo
plush compass
flat echo
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lol

surreal glen
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Oh Halo is filled with religion references

plush compass
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Yeah

terse sage
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Tartarus is a not so subtle example

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(Greek mythology)

plush compass
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Yeah literally named after the underworld

surreal glen
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Like how the Ark and its rings were made as a last resort against a certain Flood that was about to end all life, hmmmmmm

plush compass
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And the flood was created by angelic beings being corrupted into some devil wasnt it?

terse sage
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Never thought of that

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Yeah the Flood are an evolution/corruption of the Precursors

flat echo
plush compass
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And also John 1:17 is some Bible verse or something

surreal glen
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There's a part in the Halo Escalation comics where Blue Team are going through a place where composed people are being stored before being repurposed as prometheans. And it's quite literally Hell

plush compass
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Do prometheans that are killed die?

surreal glen
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Nope, their essence is digital

flat echo
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the forerunner or digitalized?

plush compass
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Like do their digital consciousnesses disappear or do they go somewhere to be repurposed

surreal glen
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They are indeed immortal, but they can lose their physical form, which is you destroying a Knight's or Soldier's armor

terse sage
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Are they now trapped in the Domain or something?

plush compass
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That kinda makes them even more effective

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If they can be put back into more promethean bodies

surreal glen
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Like Cortana said referring to Warden Eternal, he has a single mind, but millions of bodies

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As long as a place where a digital consciousness can place itself exists, they keep living

plush compass
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So warden is still just chilling somewhere right

flat echo
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domain

surreal glen
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Yep

flat echo
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he was supposedly supposed to be the didact so eh

surreal glen
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The Chief has access to the Domain btw, thanks to Librarian's evolutionary gift

terse sage
flat echo
surreal glen
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When Cortana traps Blue Team inside a Cryptum Cryptum by the end of Halo 5, the Chief could have accessed the Domain to think and reflect while accessing to endless databases, the rest of the team tho, 10,000 years of nothingness as Cortana had originally intended

terse sage
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Does the UNSC have specific units designated for Flood combat/control should they ever break out again?

plush compass
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And shotgun

flat echo
plush compass
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I’d say the best way would just be to call in Shipmaster and Glass them

surreal glen
plush compass
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Yeah Chief has a type 2 combat skin or whatever when the recommended is like very higher than 2

surreal glen
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To his credit, hardlight weapons would be more effective as they disintegrate, but to the UNSC's credit... SHOTGUN

plush compass
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Gun that shoot bullet that shoot littler bullet

terse sage
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Another good way to counter the flood: artillery

flat echo
plush compass
surreal glen
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Where was the promethean arsenal from Halo 4 when the Flood was most dangerous (The Library / Cortana)

terse sage
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I was playing Halo Wars 2 firefight with the squad and my whole job was to build artillery

plush compass
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And Anders’ sentinel upgrades to artillery mean they never get to your base

flat echo
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or pehaps other locations

terse sage
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I would build Mega Turrets and as many Blisterbacks as possible

plush compass
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Oh yeah I forgot about blisterbacks

terse sage
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I really like them

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Kodiaks are good but Blisterbacks are so easy to reposition

plush compass
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When I first played infinite I’d give nicknames to different arrangements of marines of razorbacks

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All sentinel beam was lazerback

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The skewer was a blister back

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And shock rifle was tazerback

terse sage
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Nice

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Sometimes I give all my marines ARs then throw them into battle

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While I just watch

plush compass
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I just put ‘em in a car and then sit in the open

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Until a dang grunt throws a grenade and kills them all

terse sage
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That's why I get them out

plush compass
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I wish there were wraith invaders in infinite

terse sage
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But there's one spot on the map where enemies spawn in high numbers near a FOB, so I just test out different Marine configurations there

plush compass
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If you could hijack them and then have all your marines in a safe mobile garrison then it’d be even better than in the razorback

fickle viper
plush compass
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Truth?!?

terse sage
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truth and reconciliation...

plush compass
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Prophet of Truth also

fickle viper
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Google it: "For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ."

clear beacon
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Chief is Jesus confirmed?

fickle viper
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Illuminati comfirmed

plush compass
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Their logo is like literally a triangle thingy

fickle viper
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It's so on the nose it flew right by

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lmao, you got more nuggets?

plush compass
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I bet that ONI is planning to deploy Freddy Fazbear into Zeta Halo

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Also that the UNSC is preparing an army of Peashooters if the Flood ever returns

fickle viper
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I'll pass, pretty gruesome backstory, that Fazbear..

terse sage
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Someone needs to remake the arbiter and chief back to back but replace arbiter with freddy fazbear

plush compass
meager pier
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With Epitaph being the conclusion to the Didact’s story, how do you hope his story is wrapped up?

flat echo
meager pier
plush compass
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Probably i think that won’t happen I think because um if that happened they wouldn’t make any more games 🤓

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(He’s definitely gonna kill a lot of people at least)

flat echo
plush compass
flat echo
plush compass
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Oh yeah who could forget Dustin

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Um I was looking at the Halopedia page for earth and it’s very disturbing

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It says the population was approximately 10 billion pre-Battle of earth

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And 200 million post battle of earth

flat echo
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where did you think those ships landed

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after being blown up

past breach
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yo the didact is back?

plush compass
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Dang so literally less than 1 percent of the population survived?

gilded mason
flat echo
gilded mason
terse sage
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A lot were evacuated

flat echo
terse sage
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And the population recovered pretty quickly after the war ended

gilded mason
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You can't evacuate basically 10 billion people from a planet in a few weeks.

plush compass
gilded mason
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Not even the Forerunners were capable of such a fast response.

terse sage
plush compass
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Honestly I’m surprised the Rebels didn’t just take over earth when they had the chance after Earth got so crippled

flat echo
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but with 2-3 billion casualites

terse sage
gilded mason
flat echo
plush compass
terse sage
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It's not too unfeasable

flat echo
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also evacutation started when covies were first noticed not when they hit the ground

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*in system

terse sage
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Where would they go tho?

flat echo
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other colonies as both gravemind and covies missed rest of the solar system and also plenty of colonies still existed but not any major

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so spread out most likely

plush compass
terse sage
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Mars and Luna got hit hard

flat echo
terse sage
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They were hit by Truth's fleet I believe

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Not Regret's

flat echo
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ah possibly

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also there were the entire rest of the inner colonies as I'm pretty sure only the outer colonies were the ones hit by the covenant at that point

terse sage
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Reach

plush compass
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I wonder if they ever renamed Uranus in Halo lore

fickle viper
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Killcount Covenant: 23 billion, Cortana: 12 billion (a lot less if you count humans)

flat echo
terse sage
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Reach was by far the most important Inner colony world save Earth

flat echo
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ah ya you right

plush compass
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Was Reach actually close to earth?

vagrant palm
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Remember reach

plush compass
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Or was it just called an Inner colony because it was closer to earth geopolitically and stuff

flat echo
terse sage
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Reach was strategically one of the closest planets to earth not including the Earth solar system

flat echo
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from earth

terse sage
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Tbh Reach was probably more important than Earth by the point of 2552

plush compass
terse sage
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Most of the shipyards, military training, military command, and industry was located on Reach

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Not to mention the titanium mines which was the primary producer of the metal used to build UNSC ships

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Meaning that after the fall of the Outer colonies, Reach WAS the supply line

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Which makes the fall of Reach even more devastating for the UNSC

flat echo
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it was also a main transit point and headquarters/training centre for military

gilded mason
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A quote from a guy who talked about the Earth thing before (a little long):

One month to evacuate 7.7 billion people means that roughly 256 million people are being moved every day non-stop for 30 days straight; that's comfortably more than two-thirds of the population of the United States every day. All those people have to be rounded up in some way in order to funnel them through the orbital elevators and orbital stations that will take them to the evacuation ships. That alone will take a huge amount of time. It will take days for people to get to just get to the space ports and orbital elevators as millions of people will be converging on departure sites, clogging transport routes.

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Once at a departure site, they have two options; it's either an orbital elevator or a surface-to-orbit transport. Those are seriously bottlenecked in this scenario. Ten million people have to move from the ground into orbit every hour to hit the 7.7 billion target by the end of the month. Standard civilian evac ships have a capacity of 600. 17'800 of these must depart every hour from departure zones across the globe and then dock at orbital stations to let the refugees alight so that they can board the deep space ships. A further problem here though is the amount of available orbit-side docking ports that this armada of transports would need in order to facilitate such an unprecedented movement of people. There's also the life support capacity of the orbital stations, which I doubt were ever designed to handle several million people passing through them every hour non-stop.

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Once in orbit, you would need 700'000 ships equivalent to a Phoenix-class colony ship with its capacity of 11'000 people in order to get them out of the Sol system (And they would need to move them out of the Sol system as the UNSC would have to operate under the assumption that they won't be able to hold Earth. They would have to assume that once the Covenant are in Sol, every human location within Sol is going to get destroyed).

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Sorry that it took up a whole page, lmao

terse sage
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We know that the battle of Earth took at least a month

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About the same time as Reach did

flat echo
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the evacuation ships are slipspace compatable are they not?

gilded mason
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Don't think so?

terse sage
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Back to what I was saying, Reach was arguably more important than Earth

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Earth was more symbolic, but Reach had all the things the UNSC needed to continue fighting

plush compass
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But earth had capybara

terse sage
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Without Reach, logistical issues would become nearly unfillable the longer it dragged on

plush compass
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Probably

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And capybara is

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And earth had rat

terse sage
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As powerful as a capybara is, I don't think it could replace a Marathon Class Cruiser in combat

plush compass
terse sage
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Halo 3 rat vs the entire Covenant High Charity fleet

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Halo 3 rat solos

flat echo
terse sage
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I mean a Condor has a slipspace drive

flat echo
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not the banta which was the one used in halo wars and presumably halo legends to evacuate

plush compass
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Seriously though how have humanity not eradicated rats by the time the Covenant join the battle

unique rune
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I’d imagine it’s because it wouldn’t achieve much and could cause other problems ecologically

empty bloom
timid oar
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I've always liked how humanity isn't too developed in Halo

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makes it seem much more plausible

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worth looking at a lot of the concept art for Reach because it really helps with world building in a way they couldnt quite accomplish in the game

slim thorn
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Where's the channel to discuss upcoming book?

boreal bane
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Start a thread for it

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I think you should be able to

slim thorn
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Halo: Epitaph

orchid kettle
# timid oar makes it seem much more plausible

I dunno about plausible. You'll definitely get plenty of people insisting that we should be shooting lasers or 3D food printers should have solved world hunger by the 26th century or whatever

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But I do think it gives the setting a lot of charm when the characters may be on a different planet a hundred light years away from Earth-- but they're still driving pickup trucks and wearing denim jeans

timid oar
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i just see it as humanity being too busy fighting one another and expanding outwards to focus on technological development

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maybe it's a little too similar to present for 2500 but at the same time we could easily be stuck in the solar system by then

orchid kettle
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Well Im sure people would argue that if we're fighting each other all the time, weaponry would surely be the first thing to develop rapidly

timid oar
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that assumes portable lasers are not far from our current tech

orchid kettle
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And that's apparently why the Insurrection was created-- to explain in Fall of Reach why the UNSC already had Spartans and warships before the Covenant appeared

timid oar
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I would say the Spartan's are a fluke though, not representative of humanity's development

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and the ships never seemed super far fetched to me

orchid kettle
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Yeah personally Im not sure why Nylund/Trautmann were super concerned about the UNSC already having MACs when the majority of the story is set in 2552

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where humanity has already been fighting aliens for 27 years

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probably not that strange to think that if they had starships, they had weapons on those ships

timid oar
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it's kinda all built around slip space though or we'd still probably be stuck in the sol system

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or at least im assuming slip space is what let humans become an inter-stellar species

orchid kettle
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yeah, probably

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MJOLNIR development though is pretty whack in Halo

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Chief seems to have a new suit on a bi weekly basis

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and each one is supposedly as expensive as a destroyer

timid oar
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that's what i like about halo though, you don't need to read books to understand the background of humanities expansion outside the sol system, it's pretty much apparent by just playing the games and paying attention

orchid kettle
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The UNSC probably could have had a whole fleet if they kept all the money they use to keep Chief dripped out

timid oar
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true but how many ships can one Chief destroy

orchid kettle
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Hmmm

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He and blue team blew up a lil covenant frigate in Fall of Reach

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He blows up a carrier in Halo 2

timid oar
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i think spartans being for crushing insurrectionists is probably the least plausible aspect for me. they are so overkill for that

orchid kettle
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in First Strike, Chief fights on some space station, buts its mainly another guy making a heroic sacrifice that wipes out this whole battle group that was headed towards Earth

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so its debatable if any of those ship kills are Chief's

timid oar
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he only really needs 1 ship kill to justify his expense

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given UNSC ships aren't really a match for the covenant

orchid kettle
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He does blast through the Banished ship in Infinite pretty easily

timid oar
#

bit of a wee ship tho

orchid kettle
#

So like, Chief having those wacky exploits in 2552 and beyond feel like they're supposed to be the exception

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and not necessarily what Chief does every thursday

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I dunno, the book set after CE has Chief still wounded and exhausted from the events of the game

timid oar
#

well they did fall under the navy no

orchid kettle
#

and I kinda assume every game takes a whole lot out of Chief

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rather than this idea that he breezes through them with no issue

timid oar
#

from just playing the games i assumed it was the opposite, Noble being on planet and under the operational control of the Army was an exceptional case

orchid kettle
#

In First Strike, the book after CE, its supposed to be the first time somebody's ever actually captured a Covenant ship before

safe pewter
#

Wait wait wait.

First they bring the Didact back in a comic book only to kill him off again in that same comic. And now they are bringing him back AGAIN in a Novel?

I'd ask who greenlit this, but the answer is clearly Bonnie, Kiki, and/or Frankie. A final, bitter curse. Clear evidence of treachery long exposed.

timid oar
#

Well, it probably had Staten's blessing but that doesnt really fit in with you narrative lol

orchid kettle
#

I think the idea of the book is to be an apology for trying to wrap up the Didact in a comic in the first place

#

Since the description of this book says this is the Didact's "final fate"

#

I don't see them actually trying to bring the didact back into the main story after all this time

safe pewter
timid oar
#

probably never know unless he publishes memoirs after he retires from the industry

safe pewter
#

Oh and as far as the conversation about First Strike is going, I take most of the lore of the original quadrilogy of books (Fall of Reach through Ghosts of Onyx) with a grain of salt. Large swaths of it has been retconned out of existence over time.

Fall of Reach claimed the Battle of Reach was also supposed to be humanity's first recorded encounter with Sangheili, and that they only theorized the existence of both them, and San Shyuum. Both lore points of which have been tossed out the airlock by almost everything else that takes place before CE in the lore.

empty bloom
#

But hey, at least it's funny because of how silly that statement was.

boreal bane
orchid kettle
#

So this means Thorne's family is still "alive" too

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😏

terse lava
#

Yeah, everyone that got composed is still technically alive within that "Composer's Forge."

abstract wren
last anchor
#

On the Didact; I think hes undergone something I was toying with as a possibility for Smart AIs as far back as when Cortana was revealed to have made her way into the Domain in 5.

Direct consiousness integration

verbal pollen
#

Hey, are we fighting irl in live fire? How come no one dies fr?

empty bloom
#

Plus most things you'd shoot someone with in MP are not actually something that could pen another Spartan's armor.

#

IE, the Sidekick's not actually headshotting your opponent most likely, it's just simulated as doing so.

#

Also, the training itself isn't done in the same literal way as "Wargames" multiplayer; It's done entirely differently, with more in depth behaviors, goals, etc etc.

#

Jimmy McGee, Tea bagger extroardinaire, isn't actually doing that in universe, or even there.

meager pier
#

Oh wait, wrong series

orchid kettle
spare kite
#

343 possibly giving the Didact a proper end maybe?

spare kite
meager pier
flat echo
meager pier
last anchor
unique rune
#

Psh, Spartans don't need to teabag when the hologram armor ability can do it for them

bronze delta
#

Good Spartans salute the fallen without the aid of fancy shmancy gadgets

vagrant palm
plush compass
#

“Tell it to the grunts who ain’t even got pants”

versed helm
#

"Wort wort wort!"
-Every elite in existence

vagrant palm
#

“Brute ships! Staggered line! Ship Master, they outnumber us, three to one!” — Major Elite

“Then it is an even fight. All cruisers fire at will. Burn their mongrel hides!”

indigo arch
#

Well darn it

boreal bane
boreal bane
obsidian thistle
#

A lotta cool stuff here!

abstract wren
#

A little bit disappointed that there is no precision on the last cinematic (chronology for the ONi base, what is this armor (SPI ? Mirage GEN1 ? GEN 3 ?), when did Dinh came there for the last time, what armor did he wore, and how did Iratus get away

obsidian thistle
#

I believe there is a lil bit of confusion of the SPI set G059 wore also. As it sports the og SPI design, not the MCC Mirage version.

abstract wren
#

that too...

dusty ferry
#

G059 came out before mirage

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At least, to my knowledge

unique rune
#

Battle Born and Meridian Divide reissues
does this mean there's still a chance that book 3 could be published

terse lava
#

maybe

vale mountain
#

Does the 2010 rerelease of fall of reach actually fix the lore inaccuracies?

unique rune
#

It changes some things to be more in line with later lore additions but for the most part it's the same book as the original 2001 print

vale mountain
#

Something that confused me in fall of reach was, were coordinates leading to halo random?

#

I get that Cortana used the forerunner artifact to find the coordinates but that was only because master chief recognized the same coordinates as the random slipspace jump

hazy shadow
#

They both analyzed the data from... Whatever planet that was that Keyes became famous for and while plotting the jump Cortana realized they were actually galactic coordinates and used them to plan the jump impulsively.

unique rune
#

The coordinates were pulled from the Sigma Octanus IV artifact

hazy shadow
#

Yeah, that one!

slim thorn
slim thorn
fervent birch
#

I hope Dustin Echoes is alive by the time 4 takes place, I think he’d make a cool Spartan.

#

Spartan Echoes

verbal pollen
#

I love the part where Chief mistakes Dustin Echoes for Cortona. It's like gee Chief, that be a dude
Laughed so hard

empty bloom
#

I really hope that a retouch on the Created in the future actually bothers to portray them as actually terrifyingly efficient

#

Really do it justice in the sense of the fact that they're AI with all the military usage that Halo AI are afforded.

fervent birch
#

I swear I think I remember hearing from….. HiddenXperia(?) that makes Iratus could become the new leader of the Created.

abstract wren
#

lol

empty bloom
#

Though that one's more credible than some of the others I know of.

#

Even if I don't think it's the smartest of twists, consdering he's so aggressively Banished.

#

... Actually, no, it is stupid. It completely misunderstands the entire philosphy of majority of the created.

abstract wren
#

and of the Parias

hazy shadow
#

Well, the Created factionizing in the first place makes no sense, yet here we are with it in cannon, so nothing is off the table anymore.

empty bloom
#

Mild seething

#

Then again, they were banking on the whole Cortana leadership thing, and apparently Warden just took his ball and went home. So some factions calling for different things makes a bit of sense to me.

#

... Which means they went with the stupid "Cortana hacked him" comic instead of the smarter in-game "Yeah she made a good pitch and I kinda vibed with it". Ew.

abstract wren
empty bloom
#

... Warden Eternal, Cortana's main Enforcer and a Forerunner construct of some variety.

#

That massive 14 foot tall angry dude with a sword

abstract wren
#

Don't know him :craig:

#

Seems like 343 too. Still no idea who he is for exemple, and what he did after 5

empty bloom
#

They didn't really do anything with anything after 5.

abstract wren
#

Exacly

bitter yarrow
#

What’s the lore implications of diadact coming back from the dead a third time

gilded mason
#

He never died in the first place.

bitter yarrow
#

Didn’t he die in halo 4

gilded mason
#

Nope, he just fell into a slipspace portal.

bitter yarrow
#

What about the comic where he was disintegrated

gilded mason
#

The whole thing with that was that he was getting composed. John even says in the comic itself that the Didact didn't die from it.

orchid kettle
bitter yarrow
orchid kettle
#

apparently this book is his "final fate"

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so i assume he's just going on a vision quest where he'll realize he's been a naughty boy

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before dying for realsies

gilded mason
#

he was just a silly little guy

bitter yarrow
#

What’s the bet he’s just warden eternal

orchid kettle
#

Warden Eternal has been around for a while, I would assume

#

but who knows

#

apparently originally, the Warden was just another Promethean enemy type

#

Like Knight or Soldier, there would have been Wardens

bitter yarrow
#

Oh i getcha like the silly gooses in the covenant

orchid kettle
#

The geeses but yes

bitter yarrow
#

I see

abstract wren
empty bloom
grizzled lintel
empty bloom
# grizzled lintel Please explain

Basically, Warden was the guardian of the Domain for a very long time. One Forerunner was essentially 'uploaded' into the Domain, named Keeper of Tools; He awoke in his 'slumber' to find Cortana and Warden Eternal conversing and enacting the plan of forcing the Mantle on the galaxy.

#

He was shocked at the fact that Warden was actually walking once more.

grizzled lintel
empty bloom
grizzled lintel
empty bloom
#

Hope it helps.

clear beacon
#

Is it known when modern humans discovered ancient human/forerunner technology?

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I ask because planets all across the galaxy have been described to contain or hold forerunner technology but humans only really seem to learn that the forerunners existed when Alpha Halo is discovered.

#

"This cave is not a natural formation" type beat.

terse sage
#

Does modern humanity even know about ancient humans?

clear beacon
#

Yes.

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In the forerunner books 343 GS is recounting his tale to ONI Intelligence officers and reveals that he was once a human and describes his travels with Bornestellar.

terse sage
#

That must be a massive revelation for the average human

clear beacon
#

I don't think ONI goes around telling people this stuff.

terse sage
#

True, it is ONI

clear beacon
#

Like I don't believe the public know about the Flood.

#

They just think that the covenant showed up and glassed half of Africa.

terse sage
#

New Mombasa was completely destroyed, right?

clear beacon
#

Iirc it was yea

terse sage
#

And the Streets map in Infinite is just a simulation

#

Because that city doesn't exist anymore

clear beacon
#

Streets map?

#

Oh

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Multiplayer

terse sage
#

And Bazaar

#

Both are set in New Mombasa

clear beacon
#

I could be wrong but I think the multiplayer maps are a mix of canon and non-canon

#

Like it wouldn't make sense that Spartans are fighting at a banished salvage sight 💀💀💀

terse sage
#

They are all simulations for wargames

#

Based off real places in the Halo universe

clear beacon
#

Aight

terse sage
#

They're not actually fighting at that area, just using a simulation for training

unique rune
#

The maps as we see them in Infinite are Old/New Mombasa in the midst of reconstruction efforts

quiet shoal
unique rune
#

Parts of it were, sure

tight bolt
#

What's even the difference between dumb and smart AIs

#

Like what csn a smart one do that a dumb one can't

terse sage
#

Dumb AI's are built for a specific purpose and are limited in what they can do

#

Smart AI's have no such limits

tight bolt
#

Ah I get it

#

So a dumb AI specilised in naval combat would be just as good as a smart AI in it, but not in any other areas?

terse sage
#

Right

#

They are limited in what they can learn and do, while Smart AI's could do anything (within their 7 year lifespan)

tight bolt
#

Makes sense yeah

#

Thanks mate

terse sage
#

No problem

#

Another thing is that Dumb AI's don't have a lifespan, while Smart ones live about 7-8 years

tight bolt
#

Auntie Dot confirmed alive?

terse sage
#

It's possible technically

tight bolt
#

Based

empty bloom
#

... So I guess technically it is rebuilding, just from scratch.

empty bloom
pale zenith
#

like backup files

vale mountain
#

How did Cortana disable the truth and reconciliation?

tawny fox
#

I think she took out one of its AI’s if i remember right

verbal pollen
#

AI assassination

vale mountain
#

I find it funny that James was nearly killed by a halo 1 hunter

plush compass
#

Why

vale mountain
#

I get that they didn't have shields yet but they're still the ones from halo 1

plush compass
#

In the fall of reach and the flood I don’t think the hunters were canonically worm colonies yet

vale mountain
#

Meaning they weren't the big strong ones

#

The only hunters they had to go on were the ones from halo 1

#

And they still almost killed Linda and james

tawny fox
#

Yeah the ones in halo 1 are a joke gameplay wise at least and also quite stupid.

terse sage
#

Is there a canon reason for why the UNSC doesn't use the Falcon or the Hornet anymore? Were they just retired from service?

river marlin
unique rune
vale mountain
#

Man who only gave the infinity wasps and pelicans

terse sage
#

It's canon that some vehicles we don't see in the campaign were at least present during the battle at Reverie

#

Like the Wolverine from Halo Wars 2

unique rune
terse sage
#

Like the wolverine

vale coyote
#

Do you think sanghelios got hit with Cortana's not death star weapon ?.

terse sage
#

The Guardians?

#

It was a major target and one of the first to be hit

#

Oh nvmd i thought he was talking about the emp pulse not the planet killer

unique rune
#

Considering no media ever mentions Sanghelios being destroyed by the Guardians' combined fire mode I think it's a pretty safe bet that it didn't

terse sage
#

It was a heavy target in the opening phase of the uprising

vale coyote
#

Kinda feel bad about doisak

terse sage
#

I'm not saying that destroying a populated planet is ever ok, but the Brutes probably deserved it most in line with the Prophets

vale coyote
#

Yeah plus they were cannibals in the books at least.

terse sage
#

And they committed basically ever warcrime known to history on a regular basis

#

To the point where it's a part of their culture

vale coyote
#

Cortana hated kangaroo's so much that she sunk Australia off the map .

tawny fox
#

RIP Kangaroo Jack

terse sage
#

she was finishing what the Australians couldn't

vale coyote
#

Where do you guys think the rest of the unsc Infiniti is ?.

terse sage
#

she finally eliminated the Emu from the earth

terse sage
versed helm
#

Fun fact, shipmaster is wanted by oni

terse sage
#

And Locke tried to assassinate Arbiter

versed helm
#

Because when the shadow of intent was being trailed by three long swords, they were shot down mysteriously

clear beacon
#

Also the hunters got the drop on them.

terse sage
#

I haven't read all the books, but what happened to Hood during the Created uprising?

clear beacon
#

He escaped Sydney's destruction

#

Dont completely remember if they say where to

vale coyote
#

I think it was to zeta halo most wanted to regroup there .

clear beacon
terse sage
#

I don't think that's true

#

Infinity was at Zeta Halo on a mission to stop Cortana, not because it was a rally point

clear beacon
terse sage
#

The Banished intended to turn Zeta Halo into their new home, but not the UNSC

vale coyote
#

The last book was about locke wondering the zetan desert .

terse sage
#

Last book?

clear beacon
#

Are you talking about Rubicon Protocol?

terse sage
#

Locke isn't in that, I don't think he was even on Infinity

clear beacon
#

some brute has his helmet on his shoulder

vale coyote
#

Yeah Rubicon protocol and there is another book coming out about the didact .

terse sage
#

I thought he was away on Operation: Breaker Trip

clear beacon
#

It's on Hyperius's shoulder

vale coyote
#

I don't know they keep rebooting the story every time it's quite annoying

night sinew
#

When are we getting an update on Professor Anders and the Spirt of Fire?

#

That would be cool

unique rune
#

What exactly they've been up to after that hasn't been elaborated on

empty bloom
empty bloom
#

At least nothing confirmed.

vale coyote
#

Halo outcast will explain what happens to the arbiter daring halo infinite.

meager pier
empty bloom
#

Honestly, don't blame em.

#

It's always some new garbage for him to deal with behind the scenes with Chief

vale coyote
#

Sangehli ipa's hit difrintly datruesteva

empty bloom
#

...

tawny fox
#

..

quiet shoal
#

Quick question

#

During first strike, did everyone have the same looking Armor and helmet or did it have some variation

#

Did the mark V have variants like the gen one and two?

terse sage
#

I think they all looked the same

#

Because Locklear mentions not being able to tell any of them apart

orchid kettle
#

Like on the cover of Ghosts of Onyx, it features three Spartan-IIIs in different armor, but its because Kelly is still in Mark V, Fred/Will is in Mark VI, and Kurt is in SPI

#

And you can see that the Mark V and VI are identical to what Chief wore in CE and 2

#

so the idea of "armor variants" wasn't really a thing yet

terse sage
#

But Reach makes that a little complicated

orchid kettle
#

well in reach you got six spuds on screen so you gotta be able to tell who's who at a glance

#

while a book will always tell you if it's Fred or Linda who just did a cool backflip and kicked a brute's head clean off its shoulders

terse sage
#

But canon wise, armor variants clearly did exist

#

Maybe the Spartan II's (not including Jorge) just all wore the default

#

And the III's who had Mjolnir used the variants

edgy wedge
#

i have a question about halo canon

#

well

#

two questions

terse sage
#

Fire away

edgy wedge
#

is there a known origin to the covenant religion. did the prophets invent it themselves? is the idea that they specifically are the reclaimers or whatever, and that people who serve them can follow them through the great journey? or is the religion less specific, and they're just the appointed leaders of it?

#

my other question is way more straightforward just like, how long exactly did cortana and master chief know each other before the events of halo 1. its implied in that game that they're familiar but the ending of halo reach seems to show cortana's first like, revealing

terse sage
#

For the first one: The Prophets developed their religion after discovering forerunner artifacts on their home planet. They then used a forerunner keyship and traveled to Sanghelios, fighting a war with them until eventually they formed the Covenant together

gilded mason
#

And the Cortana we see in the game Reach is a fragment split off from the main Cortana

terse sage
#

This actually led to some debate between the prophets and the elites before the Great Schism over why Humanity wasn't given an invite to join the Covenant

gilded mason
#

Yeh, and a movement was started among the elites that was sympathetic to humanity's plight.

terse sage
#

Some Elites believed that since Humanity was putting up such a good fight despite the overwhelming odds against them, they had earned an invite

edgy wedge
terse sage
#

The Prophets and the Elites were the founding species. Prophets provide political and religious leadership, while the Elites are military leaders

edgy wedge
#

so where does access to the great journey come from? fealty to the religion? or is it a racial thing? again, from the perspective of the covenant itself, not the objective truth

gilded mason
#

Mistranslation/interpretation of ancient Forerunner texts regarding the effects of the Halos.

edgy wedge
gilded mason
terse sage
#

How long was Cortana working with Halsey before meeting Chief?

gilded mason
#

A couple years, I think

edgy wedge
#

its not that a close connection cant form in that time especially like, for soldiers. but im not sure the writing really shows its work for making it seem like that's whats happening (that growth)

terse sage
#

And that, combined with the time on the Forward Unto Dawn, equals 7-8 years I guess

#

Also, people say Cortana is Chief's best friend, which I really don't understand

gilded mason
terse sage
#

He's known Cortana for like a year, but has been fighting a war with Fred, Kelly, and Linda by his side for almost 30 years

#

And other spartans like Will, and Sam who was chief's best friend before he died

edgy wedge
#

cuz like by the time halo 4 happens, MC is completely devastated by leaving her behind. its not that i cant accept that, its just that stories typically have to do a lot more to make me believe two characters have grown so devoted to each other. look at the last of us for instance, thats like the sole focus of that game

empty bloom
#

People get really attached really fast sometimes and Chief always maintained a very strong 'barrier' between himself and other people.

#

Cortana, by all accounts, seems to have found his actual weak spot.

edgy wedge
#

its the glass-tapping

hearty kernel
#

I wonder how close John and Jorge were during training.

empty bloom
#

Likely about as close as John and Black Team.

#

Not exceptionally so.

terse sage
#

Or if Kat and B-312 knew each other during training

#

Same spartan company, so they had to have at least met

empty bloom
#

300 and change is a lot of people.

#

If they met, it was likely a fleeting glance.

terse sage
#

5 years is plenty of time to meet 300 people

empty bloom
#

And?

edgy wedge
#

in fact, they were lovers /j

terse sage
#

It's possible they at least knew each other

empty bloom
#

It is plenty of time, but time isn't the only factor. If she knew him, she didn't say a word, and he clearly didn't know her.

edgy wedge
#

incidentally, ive never understood the way some people view cortana and MC's relationship as being romantic either

empty bloom
#

Because it gets framed as romantically in a sense in the Bungie games, loosely. Rather heavily in segments of Halo Legends.

terse sage
#

Was there anything going on between Kat and Carter? He seemed the most upset by her death

edgy wedge
#

they have more of a holmes and watson thing than anything, which is to say if its romantic in any way its at best a wishy washy queerplatonic thing. they're just very devoted to each other. im not sure i buy that master chief is even capable of intimacy or wanting intimacy

empty bloom
#

Possibly. Even if there wasn't, her and Carter were the last two founding members of Noble.

terse sage
#

Carter and Kat were the only survivng members of the original Noble Team by Reach

empty bloom
#

Yes I just said that

terse sage
#

I'm pretty sure Thom was also in the original team, but died during the Deliver Hope trailer

empty bloom
#

I'm not actually sure if Thom was a replacement or not. I know I like the dazzle camo he apparently used more than 'Six but V1'.

terse sage
#

The one in Infinite?

empty bloom
#

Though Noble's team comp in general is kind of weird

#

Yes

#

You have a Leader in Carter, Tech/Comms in Kat, Sniper and Demo Expert in Jun, CQC and Grenadier in Emile, Heavy Weapons in Jorge. Spartans don't really 'need' Medics or standard riflemen or 'pilots' to any exceptional degree.

terse sage
#

Carter and I believe Jun could fly a Pelican

empty bloom
#

Like, I know Six's role is kind of 'open to interpretation', but even Majestic's was obvious (Thorne is essentially an in-training auxiliary due to his armor choice and a soft confirmed standard Spartan Fireteam size of 4)

terse sage
#

It's werid that all the Spartans in 4's campaign use Recruit

empty bloom
#

A bit.

#

I theorized either they;

  • had a full load of Recruit Spartans and the Infinity was just a prominent 'first stop' for new Spartans (They get to see a wide variety and the Infinity is the most dedicated ship for deployments of Spartan personnel due to the existence of Spartan Town)

  • decided to go with an ODST-styled look to attempt to scratch that itch for ODST fans, as Recruit is vaguely similar to ODST.

  • Can be assumed that Spartan IVs were wearing varied armor in-universe around Chief

  • Infinity Spartan Command purposely paired Chief with primarily Recruit-Class Spartans in order to get them to glean something from his performance.

#

I mean that was also an option, but I figured the second kind of covered it.

terse sage
#

Considering how a lot of the missions chief went on with the spartans in 4 were high risk, it would make more sense to have a more veteran team going with him

empty bloom
#

Yep.

#

You also would fight alongside...

#

About three Fireteams?

terse sage
#

Are Spartan 4 fireteams groups of 4 or 5? We see examples of both

empty bloom
#

And you don't get any real choice on the first two as they were part of the Scouting team

obsidian magnet
#

What was that station that Cortana destroyed all about?

terse sage
#

Laconia station? It was the primary training facility for Spartan IV's

empty bloom
obsidian magnet
#

And also no more Jiralhanae

#

They’re gone

terse sage
#

So Thorne isn't necessarily a full member of Majestic, just a temporary member so he can get experience?

empty bloom
#

Temporary or permanent until they can glean whatever they need, I'd say, because he ultimately ends up leading Majestic and usurping DeMarco.

#

But then he was intended to swap to Osiris after the events of Halo Escalation, so.

#

And keep his Recruit armor, which is even more baffling.

terse sage
#

When does Escalation happen?

empty bloom
#

Between 4 and 5, closer to 4 than 5.

terse sage
#

It would make sense to get a replacement for Buck in Osiris since he left

empty bloom
#

As far as we can tell, so did Vale (New book has her playing supersoldier diplomat with Arby).

#

So Locke and Tanaka are kind of on their own.

terse sage
#

They might have split up to different fireteams or gotten new members for osiris

empty bloom
#

And Majestic is apparently not on the Infinity anymore, neither is Crimson or Apollo.

#

I find it amusing that those three are soft confirmed as safe

terse sage
#

Was Alpha Nine present?

empty bloom
#

(Crimson and Apollo get namedropped by Agryna in the firing range if you do well, described as talent scouting for you in particular).

empty bloom
#

Honestly, I do think a lot of Escalation, while mid, still has a right to existence; It needs some TL&C, some smoothing over, and some other elbow grease-maybe novelization to get its points across better.

#

It served a purpose, it just needs to have its waters less... Muddied.

#

But then, I'm also usually entirely against retconning relatively recent lore provided it isn't catastrophically inaccurate (IE Fall of Reach and Halo Reach), and even then I'd rather settle it in the newer media's favor on the justification that the newer media is generally better informed on the universe (Which grew) than the older material.

terse sage
#

I made up some explanation for matchmaking in infinite

empty bloom
#

The canon explanation already exists.

terse sage
#

It's spartan 4 wargame training I know

empty bloom
#

It's "War Games don't actually work like this", yeah.

#

For all intents and purposes, War Games seems to operate like one of two things; Tight knit and established Fireteams competing against eachother in a simulation of live battlefield conditions, multiple Fireteams competing against eachother in a simulation of live battlefield conditions, or an AI-controlled simulation of live battlefield conditions.

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Also worth noting that Stietzer's voice apparently belongs to an actual in-universe Smart AI (That Palmer apparently doesn't like), which would go a very long way to explaining why the "Opfor Covenant" are actually pretty damn close to the real thing.

terse sage
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Or singular spartans training for solo operations or working with random other spartans

empty bloom
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Yep.

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Teammates missing every shot, teamkilling, and general tomfoolery kind of isn't a thing, though apparently Breakout matches were.

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That said, Breakout seemed more about friendly competition that served a battlefield purpose, so it's not quite as goofy.

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It also likely didn't play exactly the same.

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Christ, I am such a huge nerd.

terse sage
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This is the channel for that

terse sage
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Is rumble pit just the spartans goofing off?

surreal glen
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Probably

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I bet spartans get so bored when not on active deployment that they created Grifball as a sport in the war games and watch it like your average football

terse sage
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Grifball Galactic Cup

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Each Fireteam participates in the tournament

last anchor
last anchor
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Also on Grifball; even Spartans need exercise.

orchid kettle
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I say "6" just because of Noble. Halopedia seems to think Castle Team in Spops had 6 members when they died, but I think its kinda dubious

tight bolt
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Btw what happened when grey team blew up a sanghelli planet?

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Like why didnt an elite-human war break out

gilded mason
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Nobody outside a few individuals knew Gray Team did it, at first.

tight bolt
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Surely the elites found out eventually

gilded mason
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Yes

tight bolt
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Like who else could pull off something like that given that the covenant didn't exist at the time

gilded mason
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Eventually the UEG and the SoS worked out a deal regarding it.

tight bolt
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What was the deal?

gilded mason
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Basically Gray Team had to join a joint-species team to do stuff.

tight bolt
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Lmao

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"billions died so ig you get to train with the people who did it"

abstract wren
gilded mason
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Some in positions of authority, at least

abstract wren
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Yes, Vadam for exemple. But not all of the population that survived for exemple

gilded mason
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Ye

tight bolt
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Fair enough

vale coyote
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Every time I say doisac some one take a shot of tequila.

orchid kettle
vale coyote
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Doisac

orchid kettle
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It was also apparently the case that Gray Team didn't know the war was over, because it takes weeks or months to get anywhere

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and they just couldn't get anybody on the line to tell them no

tight bolt
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True yeah

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However that's still billions of innocent sentient beings lost

empty bloom
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If they knew at any rate (They 100% would, Ex-Covvie opsec seems useless at the best of times)

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Like, considering half of his major factional opponents had a primary platform of "Yeah we're still religious and still hate humans"

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And the UNSC would likely not have much of a choice in the matter if they wanted to stay on good terms, so I'd wager whatever diplomats were on duty that day were very pleasantly surprised to hear that is all the Arbiter wanted.

terse sage
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Maybe Arbiter also wanted to retain somewhat positive relations with the UNSC, so demanding a lot of reparations would be too damaging

empty bloom
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I mean, Arbiter's got a lot behind him even from his detractor's point of view.

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He still culled the Prophets, and he still revealed the truth. Even those who still hate humans can't really argue that.

terse sage
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And was key in bridging the alliance between Humans and Sangheili during the Great Schism

empty bloom
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Yeah. Point is, Arbiter had considerably more power than the UNSC did in terms of freedom of action. He'd likely end up unifying most of the Sangheili behind him again, at least temporarily, if he decided to change tact.

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Conversely, there really wasn't anything the UNSC could realistically do about Grey team, short of attempt to get an exchange or something.

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If the Arbiter said "We're square if I publicly execute all three and you denounce their actions as rogue operators", attempting to wage war over it would be insane. Even attempting to spring them with other Spartans falls outside of the purview of deniable ops, and no Ex-Covenant forces could realistically spring them without being looked at with suspicion.

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So all the UNSC could realistically do is have counter-offers, and hope for the best. I don't have many doubts that the UNSC would actually risk the possibility of having to chance at survival against a reunified Sangheilios/Ex-Covenant led by the Arbiter, so I'd wager publicly they'd 100% throw grey under the bus if they had to.

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What's 3 IIs compared to a chance of Humanity getting utterly wiped out to a man because they jumped the gun on thinking the human race was extinct.

terse sage
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It's absolutely something ONI would do

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Or just the UNSC in general

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Throwing Gray Team under the bus

vale mountain
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Oni throws everyone under the bus

surreal glen
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Remember the second mission in Halo 5 where we go to an abandoned ONI space station and there's a room with jackals being experimented on

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Yeah, something really sinister was going on

terse sage
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It's ONI

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Almost everything they do is sinister or has an ulterior motive

vale mountain
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How did oni know Cortana was Alive?

tribal trench
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hm?

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I dont think they did?

quiet shoal
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I really hate how the inssurarionists got absolutely clapped by the covenant because the UNSC left them for dead meat

tribal trench
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why would the UNSC do anything less to the uh... inssurarionists...

edgy wedge
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Is there any meaning to this notion that master chief was the "last spartan" in Halo CE

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It's something you see thrown around but I can't see any way for it to be true

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Was it just retconned? or was there some kind of in-story change/reveal

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This has been driving me mad for like ever

unique rune
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It’s just a marketing thing that’s sort of true at the time

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As far as the UNSC would’ve known, John was the only Spartan-II they really knew was still alive and kicking at the time of CE’s events

terse sage
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Most were assumed dead on Reach

manic bridge
unique rune
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Well, sure, but five of them didn't even exist at the time of that writing and Gray was considered out of contact so the UNSC had no way of knowing otherwise

manic bridge
manic bridge
unique rune
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Yeah, like, in the context of lore as it is now, it's... iffy and requires a lot of handwaving to make sense.

But at the time it was written, it was sorta true.

terse sage
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Linda was clinically dead, James was floating in space, and all the spartans sent to the generators were assumed dead

obsidian magnet
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I just found this out today with my friend but the mission ONI ALPHA SITE in Halo 3 ODST inside the building there’s a Reach Memorial wall listening all the deceased soldiers and top leaders like Cole Preston, Dr. Halsey, and some other person.

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I didn’t recognize any names in the list of soldiers/people expecting Noble Team members on there

terse sage
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*Preston Cole

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Bungie hadn't made Noble Team yet

edgy wedge
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how come they hadnt been found before that

empty bloom
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Killing Covenant.

obsidian magnet
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Oh yeah right this was before Reach came out

empty bloom
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Because the planet fell while they were there.

terse sage
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Their goal was to defend the MAC generators

edgy wedge
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what was the covenant still doing on reach ?

obsidian magnet
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But yeah that was a fun discovery after all these years

empty bloom
terse sage
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Glassing

empty bloom
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The Covenant love salting the earth to send a message.

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Not the literal earth but dirt

manic bridge
empty bloom
edgy wedge
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why did u ping urself lmao

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but pls do share this video

terse sage
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I was thinking that

empty bloom
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Advertising is weird.

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It's not like it's really a hard concept to grasp, regardless. The Covenant were intent on burning everything on Reach to glass, and capturing whatever smidgin of Forerunner tech they could get their grubby little mitts on.

terse sage
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Like that weird slipspace crystal

empty bloom
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Or the Azsod Artifact, or whatever was in random museums.

empty bloom
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At least, they most likely wouldn't be.

terse sage
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Because they aren't dead, just missing in action

empty bloom
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They're considered MIA even beyond possible reason. The only reason IVs get counted as KIA is because they have families and such for next of kin purposes, where such frivolity is just wishful thinking.

terse sage
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For some reason the IV's also seem to know about the origin of the II's, even though it's supposed to be SUPER classified

empty bloom
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It's kind of iffy on which ones know and which don't. Some seem to know right away, others have no idea until they've already been a Spartan for years.

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Personally, while I'd utterly loathe everyone involved in the program, I'd simply take solace in knowing almost everyone involved is either dead or in prison, so justice isn't entirely ignored.

terse sage
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The Black Box AI's donor was involved in the II's right?

empty bloom
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No idea.

terse sage
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Just looked at halopedia, he was

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He unalived himself out of guilt over it

empty bloom
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Yep

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Though I wonder how his brain was intact enough to work for AI.

#

Bleeding out I'd assume?

terse sage
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He probably did it in a way that kept his brain intact

empty bloom
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Brains go bad fast. Really fast. So you need to die in the right spot.

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As in 'dying on the operating table' fast

surreal glen
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Which is weird because the entire purpose of clones was to replace the kidnapped children into the Spartan program, and those clones died in a few years or so, so it wouldn't make any sense to train them to be spartans

tribal trench
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well

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at the time, book, singular

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The same game also calls spartans both “Cyborgs” and “Clones”

surreal glen
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It extended to some point in Halo 2 where you have a music track named "The Last Spartan" and some IWHBYD dialogues where marines refer to the Chief as a cyborg

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By the time of Halo 3 tho, Blue Team had been established and the game to some minor extent emphasized the fact that Master Chief is a human

unique rune
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I’d wager it’s probably a remnant of some early idea for Spartans that didn’t get rewritten for the final game

minor sky
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Bugs me to no end how Halo 4's story got shafted with "The Next 72 Hours"

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Everytime I revist that game it gets me invested in what'll come next only to be reminded that Halo 5 has little to really do with Halo 4's narrative

empty bloom
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It has more than people believe it does.

minor sky
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Sure it has it

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But like, I wouldn't really call it a direct follow up

empty bloom
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The majority of it regarding Cortana's behavior going through 5. Which... N72Hrs doesn't touch, so.

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But yeah, even if I actually really like parts of 5's plot, I really don't like N72H.

minor sky
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The part about N72Hrs that bugs me the most is how the Didact is just tossed aside

empty bloom
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Would've been better off just saying his piece is off the board after 4 with no follow up.

minor sky
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By the end of 4 it seemed he was shaping up to be a great rival to Chief going forward, but instead we got Chief stabbing him in the eye which I can't tell if thats just the writers trying too hard to sell the story or in character for chief, maybe a bit of both

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Honestly stuff like Black Team dying via beheading and the aforementioned knife to the eye does kinda make the story come off as the writers wanting to make the story fit a certain tone without actually having the writing to back it up

empty bloom
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Black team getting iced is at least something that makes sense within Didact's power range.

minor sky
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Sure

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But it was really just killing off a bunch of pre-existing characters to show "the Didact is dangerous"

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Speaking of Halo 4's storyline, did we ever get any information regarding that original version of Halo 5 with Chief in the cloak?

empty bloom
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Nope.

empty bloom
minor sky
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Yeah, kinda just makes their deaths feel empty

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Oh well, maybe just maybe 343i will commit to their storyline moving forward and not just have Halo 7 say the Endless died off screen and we shouldn't worry about it

empty bloom
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Well, Halo Encylopedia at least confirmed Atriox is apparently still alive, kicking, and leading his Banished.

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After the events of Halo infinite at least.

surreal glen
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Halo Infinite itself confirms Atriox is still alive

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Legendary ending

empty bloom
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It just confirmed he was still kicking. Encyclopedia confirmed he's also made contact with his forces.

hoary sigil
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Shame we probably won’t see him reunite with his forces in the game.

Edit: was there amy instances where atriox was diplomatic with the UNSC? Only example that comes to mind is a bit of dialog with cpt. Cutter in HW2

scarlet hinge
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nothing in particular, though it's unlikely has has much reason to be. He was sent into UNSC guns for years, so there's a good chance he has somewhat of a personal vendetta against them

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he's chill with humans overall though, and is happy to work with them and have them in the banished

quiet shoal
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No really

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Instead of pulping him

timid oar
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chief had it coming

quiet shoal
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He kindly throws him out

quiet shoal
scarlet hinge
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ignoring the facetiousness, it's repeatedly stated a number of times (particularly in Divine Wind) that Atriox was happy to have humans working in the Banished, and even had them in his forces on the Ark. The Long Shields clan (Pavium and Voridus) had a few humans in their ranks

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as far as Atriox is concerned, admitting humans into the Banished is something that's up to individual clan leaders. Escharum has a lot of personal distaste for humanity and refuses to permit them in his forces at all - it was a big point of discontent between his forces and the Keepers of the One Freedom on Reach

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after Atriox """died""", Escharum assumed command of the Zeta Halo forces, so his directives become law

quiet shoal
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What book was that in?

scarlet hinge
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the Reach stuff was in Shadows of Reach

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the stuff regarding the Long Shields was in Divine Wind

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in SoR, the Keepers of the One Freedom join the Banished, and have a handful of Spartan-IIIs in their ranks (who are actually sleeper agents planted in the organisation by ONI for reconnaissance)

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after the Long Shields' adventure with the Flood in HW2, they decide to kill all of the humans in their clan in the hopes that they'll satiate how annoyed Atriox is at Spirit of Fire's forces (and his general distaste for that clan's incompetency)

quiet shoal
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Ok

scarlet quiver
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Yea, Long Shield ending the humans seemed kinda crappy.
But oddly realistic. You can work with an Employer for a decade, and they will still ax ya.
Given the commitment the humans made to the clan, I wonder if the Long Shields took them out mercifully or brutally.

obsidian magnet
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I’m reading Cole Protocol and on Chapter 42. I think I continued/started around 30 or so. Can somebody explain what happened from Chapter 1 to 29 in a summary?

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I’m a bit lost what’s going on, I know that Thel is on a mission to stop Reth and that Delgado meet Gray Team and Keyes saved those ODSTs and all

minor sky
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You guys think it was ill-advised to make the Banished the main villains in Halo Infinite?

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I ask mainly because
A- the way it screwed with HW2's story
B- the Banished really aren't justifited as being a giant big bad based on what they've been set up as

obsidian magnet
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What’s Jai’s armor?

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And Andriana and Mike

unique rune
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At the time of the events at the Rubble they'd have been wearing some variation of the Mk.IV platform

terse sage
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I thought Mark 4 was all supposed to look identical?

unique rune
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H2A Terminals give 006 some unnamed variant that bears some resemblance GEN2 Recruit.
Then there's the unnamed armor assigned to... someone on the cover of the book.

unique rune
terse sage
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Is the stuff we see in the Fall of Reach animated thing canon?

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Like I don't think it's canon that Sam wore the CQB helmet

unique rune
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I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be taken as canon

rocky vector
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I count it as a canonically interpretation

unique rune
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IIRC the whole thing with BR85s appearing in TFOR Animated was handwaved as "experimental early models" or something like that so I think it's safe to assume that applies to most of the visual oddities

terse sage
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Is the br in Infinite considered a downgrade to the one in 4/5 in canon? It's the Br75 vs the Br85

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The one in 2 is the Br55, so they go up in numbers and not down

unique rune
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Presumably it's just an older model, may not explicitly be a downgrade

terse sage
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Like the Scorpion too

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The one in Infinite is an older model

obsidian magnet
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I keep seeing Mjolnir Mark V armor

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Like Halo Reach styled armor

terse sage
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The reach armor is mark 5

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So it makes sense that it'd be reach stylized

vague ridge
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I just went into a rabbit hole of 6 and Kat, and how they’re both Beta Company, which led me to the discovery of the fateful Operation:TORPEDO where 298 Spartan III’s from beta company were killed in a successful assault on a covenant refueling plant, really interesting read, but man…honestly got me kinda emotional about their situation…6 is by far my favorite halo character…

past trail
orchid kettle
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I swear there was some old material that hinted at Six surviving TORPEDO, but it got pretty quickly changed

vague ridge
vagrant palm
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How did the flood find/get into earth and the ark in Halo 3?

abstract wren
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For Earth, by a ship (Indulgence of Conviction).
For the Ark, with the infected Great Charity

wet pelican
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so I've got a question guys, is there a translated numbers system used by the Covenant or other race in Halo that is different from human numbers? I'm doing a school project where I need to get some numbers that are written in a different numeral system than us

orchid kettle
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In The Package short, there's like an alien bomb countdown

wet pelican
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interesting

orchid kettle
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so people have surmised what the symbols are for 0, 1, 3, 4, and 5

wet pelican
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Yes, I might do some further digging because I need 0-10 lol. But this still is insanely helpful. Thanks

runic pendant
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You know what, I’m gonna say it, it’s pretty disappointing that yet again the meat and potatoes of the halo “story” is being told outside of the actual game with this Epitaph novel. I mean, it’s nice we get something but kinda lame that it’s not in a game.

abstract wren
tawny fox
unique rune
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That is the Minority’s position, but all life is a cycle of destruction.
Assembly real?

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We will order the Committee of Minds to convene.
Assembly real.

Ish.

abstract wren
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The name is Committee not Assembly

fair hazel
#

Wow this fracture

unique rune
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Also huh I guess this confirms Athos joined the Created. Interesting.

abstract wren
unique rune
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Yes I know
I'm just pointing out that it's pulling a fair bit of terminology regarding this AI stuff from what we know about the Assembly

abstract wren
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" [Minutes, plenary session, Committee of Minds for Security]" -> " who else but this Assembly will save our creators from themselves?"
to me, it's the same thing. Halopedia just over-interpreted (not the first time)