#lore-and-universe

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distant socket
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tbh if its not for extensive atmosphere flight, then i would believe heading straight to the nearest side of the ring and escaping is probably the wisest choice

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and also, how will cortana and chief well do even if they succeeded using a lifeboat

errant verge
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Still mad they put the H4 shoulder pads behind a paywall.

orchid kettle
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I feel like it's not entirely inaccurate to say that Spartan-IVs have replaced ODSTs

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mainly in terms of like, the narrative and their role as the inbetween of Master Chief and the common man

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That mission with the Mammoth in Halo 4 where you spawn with a handful of IVs helping you out I believe is meant to be Halo 4's take on the series tradition of dropping or deploying with ODSTs in tow

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As seen in Delta Halo, The Ark, and The Package

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It's hard not to notice as well that recent stories that have included the ODST in a notable role tend to be prequels

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or in the case of HW2, as part of a cast that's lost in time, having been frozen for twenty years

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And of course, the most famous ODST characters are Spartans in the current story

bronze delta
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I am ecstatic lol... Replaying through Halo Reach, and the lake on the edges of the Sabre Facility is Farkas Lake, and one of the ODST's in a book I'm working on is named Aliz Farkas. She's even from Reach

orchid kettle
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I've got an ODST character called Edwards

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and Lamar Edwards from Envoy is a former ODST

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clearly, Buckell and I use the same online random name generator

bronze delta
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For my crew, I LOVED the lore that we got with Nightfall and Sedra. My entire ODST Fireteam are what I call "Nordics", worshiping the Norse gods and all.

last anchor
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A bit much, but I dont think the UNSC has any particular religious oversight considering Maya Senkar was saved by that one Trimultive dude.

bronze delta
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Whatcha mean?

last anchor
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An entire team worshiping a Terran god structure? Not the most likely.
Unless they're ALL from the same planet and that planet happened to have that kind of religious bent.

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ODST teams arent usually recruited wholesale from the same planet though.

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They get assembled like Alpha-9 did.

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One of them being Norse could work I think but literally the whole team seems a bit extensive

orchid kettle
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Christianity still seems pretty prevalent, given Dutch and apparently Tanaka

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i assume Tanaka's thing is being religious. She keeps wanting to say prayer before missions, but she kinda just makes a speech about how they're all good friends.

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considering how much of the UNSC/UEG is the american military in space

bronze delta
# last anchor An entire team worshiping a Terran god structure? Not the most likely. Unless th...

Ah I see.

First thing first; no offense taken or perceived, so hopefully this doesn't sound defensive lol

The foundation for this subtheme comes from a line said by Michael Horrigan, saying that the Sedrans "still believe in Valhalla". As well I've moderately expanded it to where Harvest had more than a little Scandinavian cultural influence, as a lot of the planet is centered around that culture.

Three of the squad are devoted Nordic. The Fireteam Leader is Sedran, second in command (Farkas) is an immigrant of whom the culture and faith resonated, as is the third, who joined the squad early on, while they were still based on Sedra.

The fourth in the squad is branching in to Nordism as she's not-so-covertly dating the third, and the fifth isn't anything in particular.

orchid kettle
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Well with Harvest, they're actually supposed to be the American midwest

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Its just that Sif thinks the populace will appreciate her accent since its based on a distant related culture

bronze delta
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Without going too deep, that tracks lol

last anchor
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That makes more sense. Good. You've thought this through.

Personally I always figured the whole "still believe in Valhalla" was more of a throwaway line rather than any connection to Sedras actual religious views

orchid kettle
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but it seems like Mac the Cowboy did a better job of being marketable towards the population

last anchor
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This is an interesting take

bronze delta
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They've got Sif, Loki, the Jotun, as well as many cities that are named for Norwegian cities

orchid kettle
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Like, it annoys Sif that people apparently don't "get" what she's trying to accomplish by presenting herself that way

bronze delta
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I mean, one of the supercontinents is "Edda" lol. It's cities are Bifrost, Utgard, Gladsheim, with the Hugin Sea and the Munin Sea

orchid kettle
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Yeah, Halo in general really likes nordic names along with MJOLNIR, HRUNTING, and GUNGNIR

bronze delta
orchid kettle
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its just kinda Sif and Mac's dynamic that Mac is more laidback and relatable, while Sif appears haughty and overly intellectual

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of course Halo doesn't really get too into civilian life or what cultures exist and what they do outside of war

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I guess the exoticism is left to the aliens, but humans in halo feel weirdly uniform for having lived on far away planets in tight communities for so long

bronze delta
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Which would be good to see, yeah. I've also got a lot more tying in mythology to the Human experience, but I'm keeping that one relatively close to the chest

orchid kettle
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Halo's not exactly the best for the aliens either I find, with their culture sounding like they all do exactly one thing

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though I guess for Jackals, you could say that its not so much that they're all pirates, but that they're just extreme hoarders. They base all of their value in how much material things they own

gilded mason
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they should hoard my heart

orchid kettle
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like in Cole Protocol, that Jackal leader's most prized possession was just a heap of junk

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but it was a lot of junk

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so that made him the best

last anchor
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"This...is my stuff."

gilded mason
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jackals are actually dragons

last anchor
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Its getting better, at least.

orchid kettle
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i bet there's a funkopop collector jackal

gilded mason
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You know it

bronze delta
orchid kettle
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no

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no words

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only vibes

bronze delta
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Bah! Well, I have a Kig-Yar "queen" character in one of my short stories named Chur'R-Maat who has a lot of junk, her most prized being an ornate headdress. One of the two protagonists refers to her privately as the "Junk Queen" to her partner

gilded mason
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yaas queen 💅
collect that junk

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So what's the story about?

bronze delta
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An ONI agent (familiar character) and a Sword of Sanghelios (original character) are investigating a Kig-Yar digsite on Valyanop, which turns out to be an effort to uncover a Guardian. It's mostly set in early 2559

gilded mason
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Could it be Dare? Also, sounds neat

bronze delta
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Not Dare lol.. Since it's a canonical character, it's Talitha Macer, the pilot from Nightfall. Currently in my writing (until contradicted by official canon) she was inspired by Jameson Locke's example on the Alpha Halo shard, and was admitted to ONI Section I with recommendation from Locke

gilded mason
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Kewl. 👌

bronze delta
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One of my favorite innovations that I don't mind sharing public was naming Energy Swords. One second, let me find that

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Kel'amnsir, or "light claw"

gilded mason
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What's the backstory for the SoS agent?

bronze delta
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She's from a Sangheili colony word, Kurotta, and is the sole survivor of her keep, which was glassed during the Great Schism by fledgling members of the Servants of the Abiding Truth; or more accurately a forerunner group to them. After the war she recruited into the SoS, as the Arbiter allows for female Sangheili soldiers, and now strives to prove her worth and earn her sword

gilded mason
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👍

bronze delta
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I can't remember if Kurotta is canonical or one that I made

gilded mason
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Sounds like an OC

bronze delta
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Same with Valyanop; I think that was a Kig-Yar moon?

orchid kettle
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I wish I had the drive to write more

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turns out, if I don't have external obligations like "school"

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i don't do much of anything

bronze delta
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Oh don't feel alone, I haven't touched those stories in a year or so thanks to chronic depression lol

orchid kettle
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What gets me is that I have been picking away at this one chapter forever

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every time I come back I end up rewriting what I already wrote instead of actually adding new things

terse coral
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I'm just a little confused here, how do Xalanyn survive neural physical attacks?

gilded mason
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We don't know what happened that made them survive

fair forge
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what’s the lore behind the chimera armor core

orchid kettle
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if they didn't get folded by the funny monkey man immediately

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I think the lore for one of the helmets also implies that eventually, after so many years, the Created would have experienced their own rebellion

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and they would have fought amongst each other

bronze delta
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I am still so disgruntled that the Jiralhanae went "space ape", but are still classified as quasi-ursine (bear-like)

gilded mason
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I miss rhino-bears 😔

orchid kettle
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I'm cool with their current design

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the halo 2 era brutes were always perhaps too Wookie-ish for their own good

bronze delta
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I think Halo 3 hit the right spot for them

gilded mason
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The cancelled MMO unironically had the best 3d model for them that I've seen

bronze delta
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But I think we can all agree that Halo Reach was NOT it

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Do you have a link to the MMO depiction? I haven't seen that one!

gilded mason
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Sure in a bit

bronze delta
orchid kettle
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I like them in Infinite

bronze delta
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Infinite is good, don't get me wrong... But just draw the snout out some more

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Just a wee bit

orchid kettle
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I think what would be best would be brutes being able to have different faces at all

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some look like halo 3, some have the super exaggerated brow of Reach

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hopefully with pupils

gilded mason
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kino

bronze delta
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That's.... Interesting

bronze delta
terse coral
acoustic yarrow
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so, when did Jackals learn to talk? Did they finally bite the bullet after they realized that humans like Grunts more?

unique rune
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Pretty sure some of them would’ve learned how to speak human languages as early as the 2530s, given that some were trading with humans at the Rubble.

bronze delta
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I think they've always known human languages, it's just never been shown before 5

unique rune
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Their speech being rendered in English in 5 and Infinite might be reflective of improvements to UNSC translation software rather than the Kig-Yar suddenly learning English.

bronze delta
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That's possible too

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Ech, it's from Glasslands that we get that Kig-Yar can speak English, but have trouble pronouncing 'f' sounds. Boy, Traviss really liked making aliens look incompetent in all manners...

verbal pollen
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It's not uncommon when learning new languages to struggle with certain sounds
The R is one major culprit in real languages, as many languages have different sounds for it, and many are difficult to learn

bronze delta
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While that is true, she really put emphasis on the Kig-Yar (and the Sangheili) biological inability to produce those sounds. While it somewhat makes sense, on the other hand it just reads as problematic in that no other sounds give issue, and harping on it reads as antagonistic. At least to me; admittedly I hate that book for several reasons, many of them canonical.

fair forge
bronze delta
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From Halopedia: "In the Firefall universe, human civilization on Earth was toppled for a time by a failed uprising of infolife. During the reign of the infomorphs, those humans who did not escape into exile were subjugated and governed by various competing infolife collectives called assemblies. As infomorphs existed only as digital data, they relied on cybernetically-augmented humans known as Executors, who were clad in Chimera armor, to enforce their will in the corporeal universe. Executors were carefully crafted assets with some amount of individuality, but infomorphs could also control them directly if necessary. Executors had a limited operational lifespan at the end of which they would be terminated to make way for new iterations; the more effective Executors would have their essences digitally compiled for future Executor generations, but if a particularly valuable one was in danger of falling into hostile hands, it was usually preferable to have it self-destruct."

unique rune
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I need to recheck the description stuff in Infinite because I genuinely don't understand where 90% of that stuff even came from

bronze delta
unique rune
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I know the Halopedia page cites that Waypoint post, but said Waypoint post says like… nothing about Firewall.

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I know some of it sounds accurate from what I read of the Chimera core in-game but some of it also sounds speculative or entirely made up

bronze delta
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Yeah, I just noticed that

unique rune
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Booted up the game to check, and, yeah, it appears to be partially accurate to the info we’re given but a lot of it feels like it’s using speculation to try to fill in gaps.

fair hazel
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Oasis is very interesting

abstract yarrow
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What do you guys make of the Mercury helmet description. Seems to say Created still control human worlds and are a thing.

In the Mark VII armour core the new Mercury Helmet has the following lore tidbit.

“Adapted from what could be interpreted of the strange records recovered from a Created data archive, Mercury may be a glimpse into an unsettling future being built on occupied UEG (UNSC) worlds.”

bronze delta
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Ominous

abstract yarrow
bronze delta
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Basically yeah, from what I can gather

fair forge
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are executors sentient and free thinking or just machine?

unique rune
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They’re cyborgs. I don’t think any of the information we currently have really says much about how much free will they have.

fair forge
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next season will hopefully be about them

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they are my fav thing in halo

unique rune
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I'm sure we'll get more once the Firewall event actually launches later this month.

acoustic yarrow
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You know what would have stopped Cortana, if the Forunners had a good Firewall or Antivirus

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Or if they give one of those "I am not a robot" checks

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Like imagine Cortana having to figure out which Forunner structure is the supermarket as they all look the same

heady geyser
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Who else can’t wait to uncover live fire secrets before it was a Spartan training course

distant socket
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since the rings are no longer being used for its true purpose because the flood is somewhat contained and killing everyone is not a first choice, after humanity fully studies the ring like they did, what are they going to do to the rings then

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are the just going to keep it there, or deconstruct it and use it for their own construction

heady geyser
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Study them

distant socket
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i am talking about when they fully study it

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to the core

heady geyser
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Best bet they’ll just leave them as is

unique rune
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It’ll be a very long time until anyone manages to fully explore a Halo ring

heady geyser
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It’ll most likely take the unsc a very long time to fully study the rest of the rings

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I believe the only halo rings that haven’t been discovered are Beta, Epsilon and Eta/Kappa

tawdry wagon
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pretty sure the ring can target specific species, tho im not sure if the unsc would go to those lengths

distant socket
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the UNSC has studied and known what the flood can and can't do right?

tawdry wagon
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i wouldnt say entirely

distant socket
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I mean in the last few years they have to know something about it

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cuz I hope now the UNSC knows at least some cautions against fighting this parasite

tawdry wagon
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halo 4 and 5 have some armors designed specifically for flood encounters, but im pretty sure thats as far as it goes. mainly as a result of the flood invasion of earth. other than that, its just kinda on a case by case encounters.

unique rune
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They’ve studied what they can, it’s just kinda hard to study something like the Flood.

tawdry wagon
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i guess any description of flood procresses written in literature can be described as in world research of the flood

acoustic yarrow
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Trying to figure this out, were the Endless immune to the effects of the rings, or were they immune to the fllood?

hazy shadow
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1 we know for sure, the other is unknown.

unique rune
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They're supposed to be immune to the effects of the Halo array, somehow.

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Flood immunity was never mentioned though.

acoustic yarrow
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and if it was to to the Rings, were the Forerunneers afriad that by getting effected, the flood would become immune to the rings?

unique rune
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Presumably the whole "no living thing is immune to the Flood" still stands.

acoustic yarrow
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ah okay

unique rune
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The Forerunners were more afraid that the Endless would be able to... reveal their crimes and failures, I suppose?

hazy shadow
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Nah, the Endless were one of their failures, and became one of their major crimes. Their concern was the Flood being able to survive the Halo array, given that it's cost of usage was wiping out life in the galaxy.

acoustic yarrow
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so the Endless were made by the Forerunners?

and if it was option one, well, the Forerunners were going to die to atone for their crimes, and humanity and thee Covenant would have discovered it as they found more

hazy shadow
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Endless were not made by the Forerunners, or likely even the Precursors. As far as I know, their origin is currently unknown.

acoustic yarrow
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I hope we find out more about the endless, all we know is what they look like thanks to the Harbinger

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and considering that Cortana thought they were a bigger threat then the Flood

unique rune
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The Forerunners only found out about the Endless’ existence after the firing of the Halo Array. I would imagine they were probably created by the Precursors like most sentient life in the Halo universe, but we don’t really have anything to work with right now.

robust jay
unique rune
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I mean. Some Forerunners survived.

acoustic yarrow
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maybe they were the last one made as they saw what the Forerunners were doing holding the mantel?

robust jay
acoustic yarrow
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and yeah, Didect is the most famous survived, and my guess, reasearches on the ring that were being protected

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some needed to be around to make sure the deed was done

robust jay
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Is the palace of pain in the same installation?

acoustic yarrow
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as moniters were not allowed to leave the rings

unique rune
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The Ur-Didact was imprisoned in his Cryptum, some others at the Lesser Ark survived like the IsoDidact/Bornstellar and Librarian/Chant-to-Green

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There’s handful more whose names I don’t recall for sure

robust jay
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So far I have only read the fall of reach

unique rune
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A lot of them first appear in the Forerunner Trilogy but their post-firing stuff is detailed more in other stories, like Promises to Keep in the Fractures anthology.

robust jay
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oh

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And palace of pain
Is it in zeta halo?
The flood might make a return if the palace of pain is there

acoustic yarrow
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it just makes sense to have some survive, since moniters are not allowed to leave their instalations, so having Forerunners aroyund helped to moniter the galaxy until enough Flood died to begin seeding

unique rune
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The Palace of Pain was located on Installation 07.

However if 343 brings back the Flood I will genuinely consider quitting Halo because I am sick and tired of this fanbase’s obsession with them.

robust jay
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They can be a little different from flood

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I guess the chats in large servers die faster

hazy shadow
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I'd be fine with the Flood making some sort of comeback, especially if they decimate the Banished. Would finish out the whole "spiritual reboot" arc. But I can understand some people's distaste for the archetype.

unique rune
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I actually don’t mind The Library as a mission and will actually defend it to a degree, I just think the Flood don’t have much narrative purpose anymore

robust jay
robust jay
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Dont tell me the banished follow a similar goal as the covenant

hazy shadow
# robust jay spiritual reboot?

Infinite being a reboot of the series and franchise. Banished are close enough in that they are the implacable winning adversary that beats everyone except Master Chief ie the player.

robust jay
unique rune
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Like any time they appear, you pretty much have to drop every other running plot point to shift to the Flood because they’re supposed to be that much of a threat

Then you have to shut them down at the end of that storyline or else the entire fictional universe is doomed

Which in turn has the effect of making the Flood a less credible threat every time

robust jay
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Its weirdly fun to discuss lore here

hazy shadow
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The idea is that the one thing the Flood can't beat is unity. Whether it's unity within the different factions of the Forerunners or between different warring species of the Covenant and Humanity, the whole point is that they can't be defeated unless everyone cooperates. That's why the Forerunners ultimately fail and Humanity 100,000 years later ultimately succeeds with the help of the Elites and other elements of the Covenant getting their acts together.

robust jay
acoustic yarrow
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I do love 343 Guilty Sparks as you get there and you just notice something wrong, llike how there are no Elites around, Jackals and Grunts running or guarding doors, and that marine who shoots you the moment you get through a door. That level did suspense better then some actual horror games

light plinth
obsidian thistle
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I remember seeing the radar show something out of bounds watching me back in the day. That level was just great! (Easy in hindsight though lol)

iron flint
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Question. If Dinh is a Spartan IV why was he seen wearing Mirage armour?

north helm
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is there a actual lore difference between the halo reach assault rifle and the halo infinite one

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ik they both have different names but from what i can tell they are almost identical

carmine sleet
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Infinite's MA40 is a newer model, Reach's is the MA37

robust jay
obsidian thistle
light plinth
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Imagine if 343 made a small story about those two Marines and Jackals

iron flint
unique rune
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No, Mirage is still being updated. The version seen in Infinite is the latest iteration designed for compatibility with GEN3 MJOLNIR

bronze delta
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From what I've gathered the Mirage is an upscaled, MJOLNIR-adjacent form of SPI. The SPI armor still exists, Mirage is different

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Or what Emperor said lol

iron flint
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That makes more sense.

obsidian thistle
iron flint
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So Mirage is essentially SPI but fitted for the modern day?

abstract yarrow
unique rune
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It's... kinda funky. Mirage is kinda like ODST in that it's a cross-platform series of armor components

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So Mirage-class gear originally existed for the SPI platform but also had a variant made to work with versions of MJOLNIR

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ODST similarly has versions of the helmet, chest plate, shoulder pauldrons, etc. designed for either normal human or Spartan use

iron flint
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Thanks for the information.

obsidian thistle
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MIRAGE IIC armor builds on the foundation of the GEN1 Mirage and Semi-Powered Infiltration (SPI) armor program to create low cost, multi-role powered assault armor that meets baseline GEN3 Mjolnir standards.

Thats the Infinite description for Mirage IIC

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Its not GEN3. But meets its standards!

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@unique rune ^hope that clears that up

unique rune
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👍

bronze delta
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I still do want to see GEN2 and GEN1 cores, or at least a GEN3 Copperhead

trail jacinth
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Just noticed there is extra sets of instructions on the M392 Bandit for the safety, but written in Sangheili

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Visions of playable Elite in the near future...

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But alas, it might just be a dream...

wicked geyser
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Security helmet = Among us in halo

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Also is Balor and mirage the best helmets in the SPI/Mirage IIc core?

acoustic yarrow
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Do Spartans get in trouble if they modify their Armour too much, or was Galsey just salty that Jorge made changes to it

bronze delta
bronze delta
acoustic yarrow
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I guess if Emile was allowed to scratch a skull into his helmet, almost anything is allowed

unique rune
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There’s some regulations on armor personalization but I think there’s only really so much you can do to tell the 7-foot death machine “no”

fallen trellis
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To quote; "Some next gen venture piggybacking on the last three decades of my work"

bronze delta
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Well, yes, but I don't think she blamed Jorge for it

fallen trellis
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She was still very happy to see him.

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A tease would just be something like "What on Reach are you wearing", and not the "What have you done to my armor?"

bronze delta
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In Halsey-speak, I would imagine that's her teasing Jorge while also trying to get him to tell her who modified her armor

fallen trellis
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Rewatching the scene, I absolutely adore the spice between Halsey and everyone in the room who's name doesn't start with a J.

bronze delta
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"Commander are you a puppet or a Spartan?"

abstract yarrow
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You know I didn’t notice until this season but the ONI symbol with that single eye looks a lot like Hal from 2001 Space Odyssey. Definitely in the promo image where they flip it and you have Irratus superimposed behind it.

serene kiln
bronze delta
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Halsey was more bitter (rightfully so, I think,) in that Ackerson pulled a Henry Ford. The Spartan-III's and Mk V[B] was made by cutting her out of the Spartan Program and quite literally stealing her work

obsidian thistle
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Thats been lore since Halo 4. 🙂

gilded mason
obsidian thistle
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Hard to say really.

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I was however talking about the UNSC going "you can do this"

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Instead of Spartans just doing it.

bronze delta
silver perch
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Here's a question how do sangheili's exactly kiss?

obsidian thistle
bronze delta
obsidian thistle
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c. Individual armor pieces can be requisitioned for each Spartan based on mission need, but selecting based purely on cosmetic desires is discouraged. Any customization of armor color must conform to UNSC Equipment Code Rule 20.00.62.

Halo 4 Limited Edition

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So it is personal choice. But with a massive caveat

terse coral
silver perch
bronze delta
bronze delta
silver perch
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Thx

terse coral
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I'm not calling them animals... just saying it's a human idea

bronze delta
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How many other sentient creatures do we know, though?

silver perch
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Huragok kissing be like booping snots

verbal pollen
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Is there any significance to the oni symbol on the door in live fire, or are they simply teasing that there's more behind it

heady geyser
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Before live fire was a spartan training ground it was an oni site

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They just painted over the ONI symbol

acoustic yarrow
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And you got to admit, that paint was resiliant

heady geyser
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I feel like oni or the unsc a hired cheap contractor lol

acoustic yarrow
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I mean, it lasted how long before that one grenade took it off?

And I remember reading a while ago that Elite Minirs would kill themselves if they did not get promoted to Major after a mission.

Got to say, kind of messed up

dense falcon
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That doesn't sound right...

heady geyser
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What doesn’t sounds right

acoustic yarrow
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I think Elite Minors killing themselves if they aren't promoted after a mission

heady geyser
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Oh

gilded mason
rich coral
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Why do the covenant speak English? It’s been bothering me for a while and I wanted to know if there’s a canon explanation

gilded mason
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They learned how to speak english. And for when they're speaking sangheili, the UNSC has translators.

versed helm
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ayyy wassup gius

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casual 3 year old behaviour

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😄

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anyways anyone want to catch a game>?

gilded mason
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Is this a bot

versed helm
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no

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@gilded mason

bronze delta
gilded mason
bronze delta
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Ah, gotcha - all I saw was the grenade bit lol... Was that ever actually stated in a source? Seems like fan-lore

gilded mason
bronze delta
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Mmm, gotcha. Yeah, that's a really old source lol

heady geyser
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Gotta love those old sources lol

heady geyser
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I have a feeling that oni was behind Dinh mission failed

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Because no why yanme e’s can take out three squads of Spartan IV

bronze delta
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Nah, Yanme'e are terrifying. Especially if it's a hive

heady geyser
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Idk if Dinh and his team was fighting a hive during the battle

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Never mind it was a hive

last anchor
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They weren’t IVs either

bronze delta
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They were. They were wearing Mirage, which is the GEN3 revision of GEN1 Mirage, branched off from the SPI armor

sick current
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And every single Covenant species decided to speak it? I feel like they would think that speaking human languages would be against their religion.

bronze delta
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For the longest time it was, worthy of only Kig-Yar and Unggoy to convey messages to the unworthy. After the war, stigmas began to die off, and some Sangheili know English. Mostly, though, it's translators

gilded mason
sick current
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Yes, but why do they speak it as a preferred language

gilded mason
gilded mason
bronze delta
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I don't think they're so much speaking it as a preferred language. What we hear in-game, for example, is likely translators at use.

gilded mason
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Ye

sick current
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That's what I thought, however, Thel Vadamee's trial doesn't have Anything to translate it

gilded mason
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And when in scenes with only aliens, that's for the benefit of, you know, the audience.

sick current
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Yes

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Suspend my disbelief

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Is your pfp based off a specific elite?

gilded mason
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Ye, that's my drawing of my Elite character, Orta 'Rakom.

bronze delta
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Love OC characters. I need to draw my own Sangheili

acoustic yarrow
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Here I am calling them Elites, Brutes, Drones, Grunts, Jackals, and Hunters while those around me call them by their species name.

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Although, I bet their are humans in the lore that still call them by those names

bronze delta
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For sure, and I write those by-names often. But also go so nerdy as to branch into sub-species, like the T'vaoan Kig-Yar

acoustic yarrow
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The skirmishers?

gilded mason
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Yes

acoustic yarrow
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I am a very old school halo fan, so I still calk them by those names.

Seriously, I was 7 or 8 when I played the first game

rich coral
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Why are there no Grunt/Jackal combat forms?

bronze delta
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Likely not enough biomass to support a combat form for Jackals, though I think Grunts become the Carrier form

gilded mason
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Jackals and grunts can both become combat forms.

rich coral
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Makes sense, Jackals are pretty skinny

gilded mason
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Was mainly a matter of dev resources making it not too big a priority to fully model and animate floodified models for grunts and jackals

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After all, if we only had Halo 2, would people say that brutes couldn't become combat forms?

bronze delta
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Fair point

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Also for people into lore, I posted a fanfiction of mine in Show-and-tell; feedback and critique would be very welcome, as I'm looking to expand it

unique rune
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I think some Unggoy combat forms appear in the Halo Wars games
Not sure about Kig-Yar

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The whole "not enough biomass" thing was just speculation from McKay(?) or one of the others in The Flood IIRC

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Though weirdly Kig-Yar are just entirely absent from the second game.

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God I still hate how the H2A infected Spartans look. The infection form sticking out of the mouth just... eugh.

obsidian thistle
# last anchor They weren’t IVs either

Well... about that.

Dinh in the Enemy Mind cinematic says memories. Not memory.

This means it could be essentially a crash course on Dinh.

The Intel suggests that the Warthog part was prior to becoming a Spartan.

But that doesnt rule out the Catalyst scenes from being set when he was a Spartan! (Which the first "Story" drops in Season 2 confirm)

As a new recruit, Dinh’s fireteam was sent to raid a fledgling Yanme’e hive within a derelict Forerunner facility. The operation met a catastrophic end, leaving Dinh seriously wounded and claiming the lives of his team.

last anchor
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Clever…

obsidian thistle
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Yea its not as clear as I'd have liked.

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But the lore exists and is pretty straightforward

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Tldr
Circa 2553: Operation: INTERIOR EXILE happens. Dinh warns against doing something, but it happens anyway. (Resulting in everyone dying aka the Warthog scene) Someone called Bayleaf notices this however and tries to accelerate Dinhs career.

Later: Dinh becomes a Spartan-IV Recruit and has a team. Is set upon a Drone hive in the Catalyst (fitting name lol) facility and his team dies again.

verbal pollen
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Come on Dinh, get good

dense falcon
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They were Halo 2 drones with no head

versed helm
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If anyone would help me create some lore for my armour please DM me

junior cave
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After the cutscene in Operation: Uppercut where Jorge stays behind to destroy the covenant supercarrier, how long did it take for Noble 6 to travel to New Alexandria after re-entering Reaches atmosphere? I've heard it took between several days of him walking and only a couple of hours.

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It is an interesting scene to think about as this is a period where Noble 6 was alone trying to reconvene with the rest of Noble.

bronze delta
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Do we know where the Long Night of Solace crashed down?

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Scratch that; While the mountain range where the Solace crashed is unnamed, Operation: UPPER CUT took place on August 14th, and Spartan B312 arrived in New Alexandria on August 23rd. So he was traveling for 9 days

junior cave
# bronze delta Scratch that; While the mountain range where the *Solace* crashed is unnamed, Op...

Wow, super interesting. It comes to mind whether or not there was any notable events which occurred, like engagements with Covenant patrols or foraging for sustenance you know? We never really see that aspect of a Spartan so it could be inferred their suit has everything they need to keep them going. Still just really cool to think that even after a experiencing a devastating loss to the team, as well as the physical trauma of re-entering atmosphere with just his armor and a re-entry device, 6 presses on for nearly a week to carry out their next mission

junior cave
bronze delta
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Honestly with those 9 days, we could have an entire second campaign. For reference, the events on Installation 04 (Halo: CE) took place in 4 days

junior cave
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Man I would love to see something like that, of course it will likely never come around since Bungie is long gone and I dont think 343 likes to bring up old material, but that concept is a winner for sure. Such a hauntingly beautiful campaign

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Great contrast to the rest of the original games Reach tells.

bronze delta
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Don't forget that 343i put out Fireteam Raven, which takes place entirely alongside Halo: CE. As well with all the recent "throwbacks" like the absolute plethora of content for the Mirage/SPI armors, it's not outside the realm of possibility to revisit older moments in the timeline to expand them

junior cave
versed helm
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How evil is the UNSC?

heady geyser
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I’m pretty sure the unsc isn’t evil

unique rune
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Well
They’re not great

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Most of the time they’re not outright “evil,” but they have more than their fair share of morally repugnant deeds

heady geyser
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If you want to talk about evil ONI is the best example of pure evil

spark pivot
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ye

spark pivot
heady geyser
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Don’t forget they kidnap children and force them to kill humans before the covenant war

last anchor
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ONI is just an intelligence organization.
All of them do dirty stuff, thats just how it goes.

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Always have

unique rune
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I mean, ONI is still part of the UNSC. Can’t exactly talk about the latter without them.
They might be responsible for some of the more notable horrible things they’ve done to people, but the UNSC has done some messed up stuff even putting them aside. See: Far Isle.

last anchor
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True.
But if they were perfectly good and did nothing wrong, they wouldn't be an interesting or realistic faction.

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See; the United Hindu Collective in BattleTech, who stopped existing after 20 years following the Ares Conventions because they got attacked by literally everyone around them because they didnt believe conflict was the answer to anything and didnt have a standing army.

bronze delta
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Yeah... The Outer Colonies have some legitimate grievances, and the UEG sometimes fringes on fascism

timid skiff
bronze delta
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We knew about that before Travissty's harping, though

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Sorry, I do not like her stuff

last anchor
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She could have handled it a whooolllleee lot better.

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Technically Nylund did it first.

timid skiff
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*The Mortal Dictata recognize a central principle that no human should be brought into existence or coopted primarily as a convenience for others. Each life is equal and valid. SPARTAN-II broke that law on every level. *

last anchor
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Yes.
So?

timid skiff
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I just bring that up, since I happen to re-read the book just now, and the person above asked how is the UNSC evil.

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so whats the matter?

last anchor
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No, they asked if they are, not how

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Two different questions.

timid skiff
last anchor
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How evil as in "are they good or are they evil"

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A sliding scale

versed helm
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I'm saying how evil as in what level of evil

timid skiff
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the UNSC is morally gray, but here is smth more evil than not

last anchor
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Basically.

#

You dont get a straight answer in a series like Halo

#

Kinda like asking "how evil is the Covenant"
Or the Flood for that matter.

timid skiff
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like I said, its morally grey area

last anchor
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Glyke says hi

timid skiff
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iirc

versed helm
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Like failing to supply a planet with resources, and the moment they rebelled, the UNSC brought down their fist on them

bronze delta
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In large part the UNSC didn't know the details of the Spartan Program. ONI kept that tightly under wraps (until Travissty's absolutely stupid addition of Parangosky declassifying it - thank the gods Hunt the Truth Season 1 undid that). While there was always the presence of rumors, no one knew anything for fact. As terrible of a person that he was, Ackerson tried bringing that all to light.

Later on, Ben Giraud did the same thing, trying to bring it to the attention of UNSC leadership, who didn't know. Aaaand we all saw how that played out.

last anchor
last anchor
timid skiff
last anchor
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Yeah

bronze delta
last anchor
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Went sideways in Season 2 with Maya.

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We got the teaser of that second reporter following up on Ben and then she gets arrested never to be seen again.

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And now Mayas suddenly involved in the Guardians stuff instead.

versed helm
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Where do I read this lore?

bronze delta
# last anchor Went sideways in Season 2 with Maya.

Ah. So here's how I see the whole thing with Hunt the Truth.

Season 1 served the purpose of

  1. Undoing most of the terrible narrative additions that Traviss put in, namely declassifying the Spartan-II Project. Now, rather than being known information, it's covered up as some Innie sympathizer trying to smear the Chief, and
  2. A test-run and foreshadowing for the Chief going AWOL, and indication of what that would do to the universe as a whole.

Season 2 continued off that, with FERO getting disillusioned with ONI and going rogue herself, and tying in more directly with the Guardians.

TL;DR Season 1 was cleanup and foreshadowing, Season 2 was tie-in to Halo 5

last anchor
#

It makes sense, but I still would have prefered following Petra.

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But thats me.

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Halo 5s advertising and tie in stuff is still some of the weaker material I feel.

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Fixing Traviss's miss-steps did have to be done and for that Im glad.

bronze delta
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Mmm, so far as weaker material and tie ins, I'd say it's beaten out by Halo 2 and Halo 3. The Axon Clips (I Love Bees) took years to become canon, and Iris was always taken as very fringe, relevant really only to the Terminals, and even that I feel had to be fought for to be included

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Hunt the Truth receives so much flak, I think, because fans expected trailers and clarity, but it was literally built on misinformation and investigation

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Also personally, I'm very glad that Legacy of Onyx undid Traviss' ableist handling of Lucy-B091. Frankly I think everything from Halo 4 to 5 is mostly undoing her shoddy handling of canon.

obsidian thistle
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The only thing that needs to be explained is how Mendicant Bias managed to take over an AI near/at Earth while stuck on High Charity.

last anchor
bronze delta
bronze delta
last anchor
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Insert extended commentary about Traviss here.
Very least, she only had them for part of one book and then that was it.

obsidian thistle
# bronze delta Oh, I mean from what I've read it was a struggle to get it into Halo 3, as it cl...

I'd read this! Goes into the whole thing better than anyone really. Cudos to everyone involved getting that section cleaned up and updated on the pedia! (Wasnt me lol)

https://www.halopedia.org/Terminal_(Halo_3)#Production_notes

Halopedia
Terminal (Halo 3)

The terminals in Halo 3 are Forerunner terminals that provide insight into the history of the Forerunners, primarily the Forerunner-Flood war. The terminals are a continuation of the Iris alternate reality game used as viral marketing for Halo 3. They clarify a great deal of the Iris story line by naming the authors of different messages and by ...

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(Gosh I need to replace that IGN image urgh its horrible)

high fox
#

What did you guys think of fracture entrenched

bronze delta
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It was okay, but I'm more interested in Drengr

unique rune
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Fractures in general haven’t really gripped me
They’ve mostly just been “oh yeah they exist I guess”

last anchor
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Entrenched was the one I was most interested in cause I live for that grimdark world war stuff.
Last Sky Marshal was nice.

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So was the jacket.
Beyond that its...just kinda there.

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Nice alternative, more armors never bad.

unique rune
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I like the Panzerdoll and Megaframe armors in H2A a lot but I’m gonna assume we’re probably never going to get any other fiction on them, so, uh…

carmine sleet
last anchor
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8 wasnt it?

heady geyser
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Which tier is humanity base off the technical Achievement tiers

unique rune
heady geyser
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I’m looking at that and tier 3 said that for the most of 25th and 26th centuries, humanity stood at this level and was wondering if they advanced a tier or not

icy yoke
bronze delta
acoustic yarrow
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I have to ask, why did Cortana think it was a good idea to destroy Doisac and show it to Atriox? That just made him more driven

icy yoke
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Ironically humanity's slip space capability is roughly on Par with humanity from Star Treks warp. With an average speed of 2.6 lightyears per sideral day

bronze delta
icy yoke
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Tier 2 allows widescale energy manipulation on man portable scale.

acoustic yarrow
junior cave
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"Well done, Noble 6. Halsey assured me we could count on you."
"Not just me, sir."
"They'll be remembered."

acoustic yarrow
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They def are

junior cave
#

"Canonically, Noble Six held out for several hours and the last stand eventually involved an entire Covenant army, complete with Wraiths and a variety of air support.

So the Covenant as a whole clearly thought of Six as a massive threat and not just another bug to be stamped out. And the Elites, of course, saw a massive opportunity to bolster their honor.

Since the Elites are always chasing honor, they all wanted to have a chance at being the one to take the Demon down, hence why they didn't simply glass the area Six was in and be done with it."

acoustic yarrow
#

Damn, if Master Cheif is the demon and ODSTs were called imps, what was Noble 6 called? Devil?

gilded mason
#

Probably just another demon

bronze delta
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Canonically Spartans were called "demons" (translation) because they were, to perception, faceless and assumedly souless. It was also inconceivable for a human to be as strong as a Sangheili. Traviss' addition of "imps" is just... cringe

acoustic yarrow
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I like that ODSTs were called imps. They were still a threat but were nothing like Spartans

last anchor
bronze delta
icy yoke
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Technological readiness Tiers .
7: Pre-industrial, society obtains majority of its energy from.biomass or traction (animals or slavery) some primitive automation like windmills or waterpower. Humanity 10,000 BC to around 1000 AD

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Tier 6: Industrial, society obtains energy via contrived fuel reliable energy supply either industry wide renewable, biomass farming or hydrocarbons. Agricultural improvements and transportation technologies allow urban populations to be fed. New technologies in medical and engineering allow sustained population beyond ecological limits. Where environmental and social problems occur, typically socities whom fail solve these issues collapse or fall to conflict. Humanity 17th century to early 20th century

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Tier 5: Atomic: society focuses technical efforts on cleaner energy production, environmental circumstances associated with advancing energy society

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Like waste heat, radioactive waste

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Electronic waste

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Etc

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Humanity 1950s with first atomic power plants came online....

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Tier 4: Space Age: societies begin space exploration using primitive transportation

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This I found obnoxious because we had more advanced methodologies for space travel decades ago...never implemented. Curtailed by economics and societal problems

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Tier 3: space faring: society develops long term space habitability.

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Seed ships. Colonies on outer solar system or generation vessels development

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And extraction of energy and resources from space such as solar power satellites or raw asteroid or comet materials

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Inevitable long term colonization requires development of a Faster-Than-Light propulsion technology

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And..... compaction of computational and energy resources to power such advances (Fusion and advanced computers)

bronze delta
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I'd say we're still at Tier 4, as we're exploring as far out as Mars

icy yoke
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My Tier made 2.5

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2.5 Society embarks on capacity of space exploration and colonization

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But mainly the adoption of a Faster-Than-light based technological threshold.

bronze delta
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We're not there, though. Even the ISS is short term, and relatively within orbit of Earth. In terms of space-faring, we've got our hand on the doorknob, but haven't quite stepped outside yet

icy yoke
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2.5 is like Federation from star Trek

bronze delta
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Oh I should be clear; I mean humanity today lol... Not the UEG

icy yoke
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In this case., widenscale adoption of a FTL technological threshold

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FTL Propulsion

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FTL COMMUNICATIONS

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FTL SENSORS

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FTL computational demand tasks

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FTL processing

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Tier 2: Interstellar: society enjoys widescale energy manipulation on man portable level, FTL development redundant and commonplace. Possible post industrial society or command economy. Where energy and labor are resources as opposed to food, materials

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Tier 1: world builders : widescale energy manipulation, augmentation of fundamental forces. Ability to creates amazingly large, complicated and durable structures with exotic artificial materials

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Tier 0: transentient, society output of industry or power no longer bound by technology or its development.

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For that 2.5 Ya need development of FTL everything

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Can't fly FTL without FTL sensors and communication

acoustic yarrow
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NASA says we are at tier 0.3, and that tier 1 is when we can fully harness earth's energy and have colonies on other planets

icy yoke
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You're talking Kardashev scale

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Humanity is 0.74

north helm
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Stupid question but why wasn't the fleet the covenant sent to earth as large as the one sent to reach

acoustic yarrow
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Because they were not expecting humans

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They did not think that Earth was humanities home

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As Cortana said to chief, they were shocked by this info. And that a transmission from Regret stating that "no human presence was foretold"

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The Covenant only found Earth because that was where the Slipspace to the Ark was

north helm
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Ohh i see thank you

whole lantern
#

So guys. I know I'm behind, but I just watched forward until dawn and I wanna know, was the movie base on actual lore accurate events. I don't remember in reading about this in halo lore, but I'm probably wrong.

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And question 2, why in the movie were the Marine Cadets so surprised when they saw the Spartans, were the Spartans a secret ONI program at the time?

gilded mason
whole lantern
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@gilded mason Thanks, makes sense..

bronze delta
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Yeah, FUD is before the Covenant is even a widespread known thing; it's why there's mostly talk of fighting the Insurrection before the last act

icy yoke
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Earth was kept classified to not reveal it as homeworld

knotty jungle
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So..... where did the rest of the flood go? Like the entire ring that was infested with flood..? Edit: In halo 2

gilded mason
knotty jungle
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Ah okay thanks lol forgot about that part. Just odd that it was even there to begin with i guess lol

acoustic yarrow
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I wonder if after the war, any of the Covenant species joined a human religion and vice versa

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I am sure there is one Brute who heard about Norse Mythology and decided to follow it

last anchor
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Nothing we've heard of so far. Humanity doesnt have a unified religion like the Covenant did.

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More like a thousand seperate random ones including several that dont currently exist here on Earth that evolved outside of Terran space (see; the Triumverant or whatever that cult from Hunt the Truth is called)

icy yoke
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Jalhovas witness xd

inner smelt
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Hi everyone, wondering if I could get some opinions on something. I have an idea for a map I want to make in Infinite and I like trying to fit within the lore, despite not knowing much outside of the games. What do you think of the idea of there being some kind of amphitheatre located within High Charity that Elite “gladiators” would compete in for bloodsport, similar to the Roman colosseum? Is this silly? Or do you think this would actually exist in High Charity? Any reason this wouldn’t fly? Or perhaps there’s already something written about it? Would love to hear your thoughts, thanks.

gilded mason
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I think that would fit very well

bronze delta
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Also funny enough; I know you mentioned a Jiralhanae taking interest in Norse Paganism, but I've got a Sangheili curious about Valhalla

inner smelt
# gilded mason I think that would fit very well

U think? More ideas I had, to try make it make even more sense, I know multiplayer is set inside the War Games simulation so I thought maybe the covie had their own version of (not war games) but some kind of simulation technology and that during the treaty-period the UNSC experimented with cross-compatibility between human and covie technology and one of the breakthroughs was a War Games arena based on a covie simulation of some kind of amphitheatre in High Charity…

knotty jungle
inner smelt
acoustic yarrow
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Isn't Mendicant and Offensive Bias on Zeta Halo?

gilded mason
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They are not, no

acoustic yarrow
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Oh I thought they were

gilded mason
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Offensive might be? Maybe? But it's been 100,000 years so he might've left

acoustic yarrow
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But isn't Offensive Bias an AI? How could he leave?

gilded mason
#

How did Mendicant Bias travel around the galaxy?

acoustic yarrow
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I figured the Flood took him since he was corrupted byvthem

inner smelt
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I know a fragment of him was inside High Charity at some point, that’s about it

gilded mason
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He can take control of Forerunner systems, including ships

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Hell, doesn't even have to be Forerunner ships

acoustic yarrow
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Oh wow, Forerunner AIs are really good

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From what I know, Mendicant Bias was the smartest, and I think Offensive Bias was made to fight it after the flood corrupted it.

The final battle being Offensive holding back Mendicant

gilded mason
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Yep

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And as soon at the Halos fired, OB was able to defeat MB in a couple seconds

left oak
bronze delta
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Like the other ancilla, Offensive was strong and swift and brave, but he had something none of the others had...

icy yoke
#

Lore wise. How FTL sensors work for UNSC. We talking RADAR, LIDAR... but scifi it's always scanners that do
...what.

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Wavespace.. slipspace. Propagation of EM signals faster than light

deep coral
#

i was wandering why the hunters and grunts are with the elites in halo 2 but not halo 3

gilded mason
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As to not confuse players. Lore-wise, it's a lot more mixed

acoustic yarrow
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how would you even make faster then light communication? I mean communication sent by the internet is already very close to lightspeed, how can you make that faster?

winter ridge
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What y’all reckon will happen with UNSC. I’m not exactly up to date with the current situation but I’m really curious if UNSC will build its way back, co if i’m right there are still a few survivors who fled to another planet/place?

acoustic yarrow
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well,,, the headquarters in Australia is down,, thee Infinity is destroyed, and any ships left probably have no idea what is going on so will stay quiet until something comes up

knotty jungle
knotty jungle
acoustic yarrow
#

ah

and that AI whho was talking about how the Covenant never took down the Banished, I think there was a reason for that.

the Covenant had full focus onn humanity, the Banished was just seen as a nuasannce

sick current
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What was the spiderlike creature the flood took over in halo 3? The one that could morph into a large, tanky flood, or morph into the one that shoots needles.

versed helm
sick current
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Both, honestly I couldn't figure out what creature it was

versed helm
sick current
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I suppose they can just re-arrange biomass

versed helm
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There's also an carrier which is that big fat one that bursts out the infestors (popcorn flood)

versed helm
sick current
versed helm
sick current
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Is stalker just the normal one?

versed helm
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The one that just crawls around

bronze delta
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They're Flood Pure Forms

sick current
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Completely made of flood?

bronze delta
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Correct, yes. You'd basically start seeing more of those the more complex the Flood gets, progressing toward it's Extragallactic phase

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Or whichever the phase is where it controls the fabric of the Galaxy; I'm still waking up lol

versed helm
bronze delta
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The burster?

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Oh, HW2 duh. Yes, they're theoretically infinite in forms

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Pretty much whatever the Flood would need at the time

versed helm
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Oh, that makes sense

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So even a juggernaut can change?

bronze delta
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I believe so, yes

surreal glen
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Flood are only limited by their imagination and stage

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At their strongest, the Flood become intelligent enough to create their own technology

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Not to say ships

unique rune
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meat boats meat boats

icy yoke
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Flood are assimilators thus their intelligence Is based on host they infected

last anchor
sullen briar
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(i would imagine lmao)

surreal glen
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Yes

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When a Gravemind is formed, it keeps the memories of every previous Gravemind, as well as every living being its biomass was formed with

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So yeah, they are very wise

tawny fox
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Don’t the flood also choose who they want to be a gravemind? Like they pick out the most intelligent being they can find as the basis?

sullen briar
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i think the protomind or whatever it’s called does that and then it evolves into a gravemind over time

terse lava
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In a sense yeah. We see in Last Voyage of the Infinite Succor, an infected San'Shyuum becomes a "core" piece of a forming proto-gravemind. The Flood speak and taunt Rtas 'Vudamee through him as well

sullen briar
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mhm

versed helm
tawny fox
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Yeah

versed helm
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I don't think they specifically pick a certain person, since they gain more information with each creature they infect, but I think since Keyes stored most of the information on the UNSC, he was chosen to be the protomind, old though, I'm not the smartest

last anchor
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High ranking or important people tend to be cores of proto minds

terse lava
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yep

heady geyser
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I always wonder how did the gravemind grabbed penitent tangent was it because he neglected his duties and allowed the flood to breach, grow and subsequently capture him

zealous pecan
#

Was Sergeant Johnson really around 70 years old at his death

steep ether
icy yoke
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Factor 2 variables.
1: Johnson enhancements to his physiology might partially slow the aging process
2: how much time he spent in cryogenic stasis.... at the time Spartsns were valuable resources not to be wasted.

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Thus preserved for posterity long as possible.

bronze delta
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I just realized something to add on to my theory of Jorge-052 surviving. Firstly, TL;DR the slipspace drive wasn't a bomb, and transported everything within the field as-is. I've got a two part theory going over this.

Aside from the Banshees, Seraphs, and possibly Phantoms that all have slipspace drives that Jorge could use to escape... There's also a Pelican with a Slipspace drive right there in the deck bay of the Ardent Prayer.

As mentioned in my theory Part 2, if Jorge is able to befriend a Huragok (not hard, seeing how he managed Sára Sorvad), that Huragok would absolutely be able to assist him in making the Slipspace drive functional on the Pelican enough to where he could return to normal space and perhaps even back to UNSC space, if he's reintroduced away from Reach

zealous pecan
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Even if he did get off the ship the explosion was huge

bronze delta
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There wasn't an explosion, though. It was a slipspace field that was projected, and it destroyed the Long Night of Solace because a large portion of the ship was teleported away.

Everything inside the field was transported as-is, and the Ardent Prayer was intact. It's very similar to the In Amber Clad hopping along with the Solemn Penance and sections of New Mombasa buildings

gilded mason
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Thing is, there'd be no way for Jorge to survive being so close to it.

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The field expanded from inside the ship, so the anti-slipspace shielding wouldn't help at all

bronze delta
# gilded mason Thing is, there'd be no way for Jorge to survive being so close to it.

There's precedence. John-117 has survived slipspace directly many times before, as did a UNSC Marine in First Strike. They armored up the Pelican, sure, but that was operating off assumption rather than a known factual risk. Beyond technicians working on FTL drives disappearing, it's actually not really known how Slipspace works, and I'm pretty sure Halsey even states that much

zealous pecan
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R u saying that he could have been teleported somewhere

bronze delta
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Precisely, yes

gilded mason
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Considering Jorge never returned, I'd say he wasn't able to survive. Either from radiation, starvation, or being ripped apart by an expanding portal.

bronze delta
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Not necessarily that he most definitely was guys, but more that there is absolutely precedence for him reasonably surviving

bronze delta
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If Jorge were to return in some capacity, I could see ONI using his apparent death to reassign him as an unlisted asset, using him for covert missions that could be "off the books".

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That, or it just hasn't been written about yet. We've mostly gotten stories from John's perspective, and he can't know everything. Jorge could have been active again as early as 2553, and John could have been non-the-wiser. Lack of story about him would just be that it hadn't been written about yet.

gilded mason
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It'd be a bad idea to retcon his death either way.

bronze delta
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Upset to fans?

zealous pecan
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Yeah even if he did survive they wouldn’t add him back

bronze delta
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I could see something along the lines of him being encountered by the Spirit of Fire crew on the Ark, perhaps having survived there all that time. Maybe, that is a long time

obtuse crow
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And how did he get there?

bronze delta
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Could be the same way John got to Requiem - Mendicant Bias

gilded mason
bronze delta
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Fair

zealous pecan
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I wish they put jun in one of the other halos

bronze delta
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It'd be... nice... to see him, but anymore he's more administrative. Honing his cooking

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I still wish Kat would have survived

zealous pecan
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Elite no scoped her

bronze delta
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It would have made more sense for the Sniper to have been Sniped

hazy shadow
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It's cuz she didn't keep her head in the game.

abstract wren
zealous pecan
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Did the drones go extinct

bronze delta
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They did not, no

obsidian thistle
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Currently I dont think Halo has outright made a species go extinct in the modern era so far.

bronze delta
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The San'Shyuum are very close. If Janjur Qom was truly destroyed, there are somewhere around less than 1,000 San'Shyuum remaining after the fall of High Charity.

gusty star
dense falcon
last anchor
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And the planet convinently getting wiped out JUST as High Charity was finished certainly seems to hint that there might be purestrain San'Shyuum chilling somewhere too.

bronze delta
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True it might not be the case with Divine Wind. With Janjur Qom, though, it's destruction is held to have happened in 648 BCE. While the San'Shyuum may have been lying about that, keeping that lie going for thousands of years would be quite difficult

steep ether
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i mean, they kept the true story behind the great journey a secret for who knows how long

bronze delta
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That's a little easier to maintain than an entire planet being destroyed. Any spacefaring race could say "Well, actually not..." when they find Janjur Qom. With the "Great Journey", there wasn't really much evidence that it was false until around 2525.

vivid umbra
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I wonder why that Elite Field Marshall from Reach is still unnamed, considering many other generic Covenant NPCs have gained names.

bronze delta
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The one that killed Kat?

zealous pecan
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Because there’s multiple of them

bronze delta
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The Field Marshall belonged to a lance known as the Devoted Sentries, and none of them are named. However it's the group of Zealots that we see all throughout the game, starting in Visegrad and ending in Asźod

last anchor
bronze delta
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I mean, Humanity did the same

zealous pecan
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Didn’t the unsc know where the ring from halo 1 was

gilded mason
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Only because Cortana had coordinates to it

sick current
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So, if the flood managed to absorb all sentient life, what would it do?

bronze delta
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Persist as the purest form of life, according to the bitter ideology of that faction of Precursors

sick current
bronze delta
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Yes, and correct. Some Precursors fled the galaxy entirely toward the end of the war. It's possible that some hid in different forms of existence. The Flood came from a group that decided to reduce themselves to molecular dust and wait it out to reform. It became corrupted, and resulted in the Flood, who - through the Timeless One, the First Gravemind - took the view that revenge on their creation was justice

sick current
heady geyser
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Speaking of that unidentified forerunner ship whatever happened to it after operation white glove

bronze delta
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Unknown, but it also could have been damaged when Halsey's lab was nuked

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Ope, wait that was part of WHITE GLOVE

heady geyser
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I was about to say that was part of white glove

zealous pecan
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Does master chief really have every medal except for POW

bronze delta
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Yes and no. Yes, he did have those medals bestowed on him. However because he was not subordinate to the UNSC branches of the Army and Air Force, as well as civilian agencies, it's unlikely that he actually earned them, and more likely that ONI bestowed them on him to bolster morale

heady geyser
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I can’t wait to learn more of live fire secrets as an oni site

last anchor
heady geyser
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True

hexed shuttle
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So, is our Spartan a survivor of Laconia Station’s destruction or was I taking what Agryna during the intro cutscene said the wrong way

acoustic yarrow
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don;t think ours was from their

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just a spartan coming in

obsidian thistle
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Impossible to say.

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All we know about player Spartan regarding their pre-Tutorial life is this...

In Halo Infinite, you are part of a new wave of Spartan-IV super-soldiers. Starting your training journey at a hidden facility on a frontier world. Preparing to replenish the ranks of humanity’s heroes. Preparing to write a new chapter in our fight against relentless and imposing opposition—proving yet again that humanity doesn’t really like being on the back-foot for long. Your journey begins at the Avery J Johnson Academy of Military Science.

And that Laurette Agryna picked us.

Laurette: "You did good. Really good in fact. I knew I picked well."

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@hexed shuttle @acoustic yarrow hope that helps! 🙂

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Its possible they lost a hand if the Recap is to be trusted

versed helm
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Then the fat dude named Marquise comes in and kills everyone with his black powers

gusty star
hexed shuttle
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Ah, it’s kinda confusing. Laureate says Laconia changed everything like we were there or something @obsidian thistle

last anchor
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Might mean the first round, the Alpha-9 op to get Mickey out

last anchor
cobalt quiver
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Is there any reason why a modern spartan might opt for the Mark VI Gen III over Mark VII?

orchid kettle
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Sensuality

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I assume in-universe there's not really a huge difference, perhaps beyond Mark VI GEN3 being way more sturdy

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Chief gets Atriox'd and left in space for six months and his armor is no worse for wear

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while in Rubicon protocol, we hear about how Mark VII needs constant maintenance like a race car

icy yoke
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Eventually advent of nano technology upgrades variant differences between models of armor don't matter

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I assume example miniaturization if critical hardware components

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Biggest was downscaling portable fusion power supply

obsidian thistle
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Mark VI may have different benefits.

Like a interesting case would be Spartans choosing or getting missions in Mark V/B armor. Mark V/B has a ton of armor and equipment that are proven so it has that benefit

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(Note the armor was upgraded to GEN3 standards)

icy yoke
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The Mk VI improvements over the 5...

  • Armor density improved decreased physical volume and bulk.
  • better longer lasting shields
  • More compact power supply
  • streamlined , less actuation points to grab.
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Mark VII was made more for increased modularity. It's more a versatility improvement than technological gamechanger

drowsy lintel
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"You know how expensive is this gear son?"

steep ether
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"Tell that to the covenant."

bronze delta
cobalt quiver
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not really, just say the Generation

bronze delta
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Well that's the current problem, as there's the Mk VII at the tail end of GEN1 (what Naomi used) and the "Mk VII" that we use in Halo Infinite that's GEN3 "Mk VII". Which is really the baseline GEN3 set that's modeled after the GEN1 Mk VII.

tiny oracle
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Was lord hood or Jacob Keyes marines at the start of the war or do they have any lore before the games

meager pier
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Keyes and Hood were Navy

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Hood actually served under Captain Cutter early in the war

tiny oracle
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Anything about Keyes

last anchor
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First time we see Keyes appear is when he joins Cathrine Halsey to round up the first batch of Spartan-II trainees. Before that hes just a Navy officer.

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You dont seem to understand how the UNSC's organizational struture works do you

tiny oracle
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No lol I’m not a lore nerd

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I just wanna what Keyes and lord hood did before halo

last anchor
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Mostly just officer things.

obsidian thistle
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I can just toss this here! Covers essentially what yer asking! 🙂

https://www.halopedia.org/Jacob_Keyes

Halopedia
Jacob Keyes

Captain Jacob Keyes (service number 01928-19912-JK) was a commanding officer and one of the most brilliant tacticians in the UNSC Navy. He commanded great respect as a highly skilled strategist and inspirational leader to those under his command. His many decorations, thirty-five years of combat experience against the Covenant and Insurrectionis...

whole spindle
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i just finished reading contact harvest for the first time…

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johnson kinda uhh…

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he bones down.

last anchor
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Yes. This is known.

whole spindle
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I HAD NO CLUE!!!

unique rune
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To be fair, this is Johnson that we’re talking about here.

whole spindle
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he knows what the ladies like ig

dense falcon
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This is where I draw the line and ask y'all to switch to a different topic.

whole spindle
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mb g

tranquil canyon
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stupid question but which unsc branch yall think had the least amount of casualties

heady geyser
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It hard to say because we only see the navy and marines in game

dense falcon
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I'd like to think air force because of their reduced number?

heady geyser
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Did we ever see the unsc Air Force at all or no

unique rune
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Some of the UNSC personnel in the Halo Reach mission Long Night of Solace are probably intended to be UNSCAF given that the Sabre program was something under their jurisdiction.

severe cosmos
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I mean in parts of reach there is space based missions but I don’t think they qualify as unsc air force action?
and I’ve been immediately contradicted with the same incident I mentioned 😆

heady geyser
icy yoke
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"YoU KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE THIS GEAR IS SON"
7.65 million credits

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Oh...you're one r
Those math whizzs

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How much does a MJOLNIR cost?

heady geyser
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A normal human body wouldn’t handle MJOLNIR

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Your body would be crushed by the weight of the armor

crystal frigate
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Or snapped by the response time.

heady geyser
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I forgot the person in the fall of reach movie that was crushed by MJOLNIR

unique rune
fading barn
surreal glen
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Yeah

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Not confirmed by anyone, only rumored that Spartan Agryna from the Halo Infinite multiplayer is related to Johnson

icy yoke
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Weight of MJOLNIR isn't the issue. The 2nd layer is piezoelectric nano mesh of artificial crystal that act as musculature.

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But it's hyperreactivity to even modest movement amplify force exerted.

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Thus would tear muscle of normal human

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Spartans are reinforced. Presumably as they acclimate it becomes less concern.b

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Presumably UNSC us also workin bugs out to accommodate non augmented humans.

bronze delta
bronze delta
surreal glen
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Of course, this is not confirmed by anyone

bronze delta
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Or insinuated anywhere, really

icy yoke
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How compact is the miniature fusion power plant in MJOLNIR.

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It must produce considerable energy to allow a 1000 lb machine haul on just two legs

gusty star
last anchor
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Its no different than "Locke and Johnson are related"
Catalog put that down too.

They are apparently both Terrans however, though Johnson was born in the Chicago Industrial Zone and as far as we can tell Agryna was born in the former UK

icy yoke
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Question: do UNSC ships possess equivalent to inertial dampening aboard ships for sublight acceleration and deceleration

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Controlled deceleration at sublight speed may take too long to mitigate and navigate around obstacles.

abstract yarrow
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How is the Intel stuff posted on Discord? I am curious about new stuff they’ll be adding for the fracture event.

bronze delta
unique rune
obsidian thistle
# abstract yarrow How is the Intel stuff posted on Discord? I am curious about new stuff they’ll b...
  1. Intel for this Season goes here. (Kinda suprised we never got a ingame thing this time)
    https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/echoes-within-intel
Halo Infinite | Echoes Within Intel

Season 3 of Halo Infinite is here, which means it’s time for another round of Intel! For those not in the know: Intel is a series of data drops that provides some additional lore and context to some of the narrative elements of each season. Intel can be found both here on Halo Waypoint and […]

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  1. Fractures probably will have a similar thing
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This may help a tad answer stuff. I presume it will be like last time however and also be on Waypoint! (Cant wait for the canon aspect)

https://twitter.com/haruspis/status/1636806569818980390

Alex Wakeford (@haruspis)

Fracture: FIREWALL begins on Tuesday, bringing with it a new four-part story shard titled "PRECIPICE"

Each story shard will feature a canonical testimony from Sloan, followed by a Fracture simulation that explores a series of hypothetical scenarios the Executor must undertake...

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abstract wren
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They can't let rest the Created story arc... If they liked it so much why is it not in Halo 6 ?

obsidian thistle
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Technically it is still a faction.

abstract wren
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Practically it just disappear from the universe

obsidian thistle
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We might learn more from Sloan if we are lucky!

abstract wren
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But why would we want to ? Its 1. irrelevant 2. They killed the story arc telling everyone it was not Halo...

obsidian thistle
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I'd not say its irrelevant! It still happened and 343i to my knowledge didnt retcon it out! 😀 Plus there is many like myself who wanna know more about the Faction and their small rule + how the remnants are handling things!

abstract wren
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I didn't say it didn't happened. I said its irrelevant.
Halo Infinite story is not about the created...

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I would have like to know about them... if they just didn't got sidelined, and destroyed offscreen with 1 line of explanation.

  • If 343 stayed itself
fair hazel
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I dont see much point in making those comments. I’m going to be interested in these things

static ginkgo
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Anyone else feel like the intended emotional impact of Cortana's final goodbye message to Chief at the end of Infinite is severely mitigated by the atrocities she had committed? Razing Syndey to destroy the UNSC headquarters there, killing 70 Spartans aboard Laconia Station, and, worst of all, near-completely genociding the Jiralhanae race by outright destroying Doisac?

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I feel like Chief should have been disgusted by her in Infinite's campaign, despite their close history.

abstract wren
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But is it in-character ? Yes.
Is the reaction of Chief or the Weapon normal and in-character ? no

static ginkgo
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Yeah exactly. Like I have one or two very close friends, but if I found out that one of them killed a large group of people, my perspective on them would forever change. Despite whatever good times we shared together.

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I think having Cortana completely annihilate Doisac was a bit of an over-the-top decision on 343's part as well.

abstract wren
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If Halo 6 existed, maybe we could have seen the escalation of the Conflict between Cortana and Atriox. That would had have more impact too

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That would have been a good motivation to stop at all cost Cortana. Beginning a guerrilla war and finishing with the plan to stop her at Zeta Halo, boom Halo Infinite 🙂

icy yoke
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Missions change...always do

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Snow definitive aspect the Infinity was destroyed

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Just speculation of her fall. Will she return?

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Or will the Eternity take her place

obsidian thistle
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I will say it will be interesting to see the implications of the Created now that Cortanas gone.

But we do "kinda" need to know how the Created operated with Cortana in it. (Which surprisingly we have very little lore for outside what we see in Bad Blood and isolated sources)

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Which I am hoping Sloan expands upon seeing as he is an AI in the Created who was there from essentially the beginning.

last anchor
last anchor
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Please, 343, dont make this a "blind Star Wars fan" moment like at the end of Endor where it looks like killing one person ends the war entirely

bronze delta
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The Created aren't gone, that's the threat in Halo: Outcasts.

As well, "Halo 6" is effectively Halo Infinite; as stated they're getting away from numbered games.

last anchor
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See, the question with Outcasts is; when does it take place?
Because we wake up in Infinite 6 months after shes gone.

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And we're cut off from the galaxy, so whats happening in those six months.

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Alongside what they've been doing in the previous year since Halo 5s end

bronze delta
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Cortana doesn't control the Created, though, so her removal wouldn't spell the end for them. If anything, it'd make them leaderless and more dangerous

abstract yarrow
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Halo Outcast is prequel book. If you want evidence for Created being a thing post Infinite you have the Encyclopedia mentioning some kind of Created remnant whilst the Mercury helmet I think specifically mentions Created Occupied human worlds still being a thing.

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But it’s a bit like all those Flood references in Halo 4 and 5 armour. It’s there, but will it be something addressed in game and as part of the story. I get real mixed messages on this. Sometimes looks like total retcon and other times that they’re maybe trying to reset or change the context. I mean they can do whatever they want with the Created since they never actually introduced them and have avoided a clear portrayal.

last anchor
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Whic annoys me.

last anchor
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She controlled the Guardians specifically but they annoyed me more than the Created did so if they're out of the way, perhaps now we can have some border gore and squabbling.

meager pier
karmic jungle
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Where is Arby’s during infinite

bronze delta
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Assumedly with Vale on Netherop

karmic jungle
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Tf is a netherop

bronze delta
abstract yarrow
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See I don’t think Halo Outcast is going to add all that much Created lore. I think Vale and Arbiter will end up on that Netherop world very early on and just fighting other Covenant or Banished.

bronze delta
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We'll have to see

meager pier
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With Epitaph being the conclusion to the Didact's story, how do you expect his story to end?

bronze delta
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I would like to see reunion with the Domain, "curing" for his Logic Plague, and becoming something else to atone for the actions as Didact.

abstract yarrow
# meager pier With *Epitaph* being the conclusion to the Didact's story, how do you expect his...

If they want to resolve his story then he accepts their time is over and joins with the Domain. Possibly reuniting with that AI Librarian we saw in Halo 4.

It’s possible they’re going to use him as a handwave for why Cortana got defeated. She’s fighting the Banished, UNSC and you’ve got composed Didact messing around distracting her as well.

That assumes his story ends. It could be they want to use him in a future project be that in book or even game.

If he’s composed he could come back in a number of ways. Either by possessing a biological body like Irratus seemed to be trying (or like we see in the show) or obtaining a Promethean construct.

heady geyser
abstract yarrow
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What did they talk to in Halo 4 and Spartan Ops?

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Either way. His story is tied to the Librarian so it would be odd for him to pick the green ending without referencing that and an AI version of the Librarian is good way to do that.

obsidian thistle
# heady geyser The Librarian isn’t an AI

There is a lot of Librarian AI. XD Kinda is funky to think about. (Its more akin to a living essence, something that is a mere spark of the Librarian, but a lotta them exist)

opal schooner
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stupid question.

and the Halo infinite trailer for season 3 multiplayer storyline thing, what are the bug things?

abstract yarrow
opal schooner
meager pier
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Here’s something that’s kinda interesting and a little existential, the Composers are said to turn an organic individual into digital data, however what if that’s not true, and when someone is composed they die, and what’s made is a perfect AI copy with the person’s memories and personality
Which do you think it is?

abstract yarrow
meager pier
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But yeah I imagine it’s a direct transfer, as it might be kinda weird if we learned it’s merely an AI copy or something
That could get into some Blade Runner level of existential questioning 😳

median trout
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But yes, most of them kept to their selves post war

abstract yarrow
# meager pier But yeah I imagine it’s a direct transfer, as it might be kinda weird if we lear...

Well I mean you sort of have that with the Weapon. If she is a blank slate version of Cortana then in a sense she is the same person. Functionally if Cortana had deleted her own memories then you would have the Weapon and there would be no difference. If you add that she’s also absorbing Cortanas memories throughout the game and reliving them “I felt what she felt. It was joy, anger and pain.” Then that gets even more complicated since those memories are Cortana because she’s an AI. So what is that blank slate after that?

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That or Cortana just threw Chief into a Cylex to torment him with a world in which she’s gone to prove she’s right. Or the Weapon is Cortana with amnesia “he needs me. He needs her.” Or, time travel… 😉

heady geyser
median trout
last anchor
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What little existed regrouped ar Sangheilios and was smashed at the battle of Suniaon

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There’s still Nyons group which hasn’t been heard from in a bit

heady geyser
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I’m guessing they’re hiding

meager pier
versed helm
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so i heard that that idiot guilty spark comes back in the books

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this true?

abstract yarrow
# meager pier In a way, almost like Savathun regaining her memories 😁

Oh yeah. One for one. If Cortana had some messed up plan to get a clean slate with Chief and was okay lying about being dead; pretty easy way to do it.

“Infiltration programme remember” If the Weapon can imitate Cortana then surely Cortana could imitate a Weapon or imitate the Weapon and delete her memory so that becomes her identity.

heady geyser
versed helm
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ill kill him again

heady geyser
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He’s in the book halo: renegades

versed helm
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alr

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ive always looked for the books but have only found one

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are they on amazon?

boreal bane
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Don't bypass the filter please ARC

versed helm
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alr

heady geyser
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I believe so

versed helm
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lemme check

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THERES A COOKBOOK!!!???

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well now i have stuff to spend money

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on

heady geyser
meager pier
abstract yarrow
# meager pier Interesting idea, but I do think we’re done with Cortana for good, don’t see the...

A dramatic twist? Chief having the chance to save her again? Why establish there are trust issues with the Weapon unless that trust would be tested? She might go bad like Cortana has no dramatic weight because they essentially retconned Halo 5 when they took the story in that direction. Whereas if it’s Cortana that actually is a valid conflict/concern and she has actually done bad things to atone for; instead of “oh I might go bad like this other person.”

Plus, the Weapon kind of is bringing her back and we spent a lot of Infinite with her fragments across the ring. That confirms they aren’t done with the character.

A character introduced under mysterious circumstances that we were not privy too when Chief was knocked out for six months. In the first act of a mystery box story. It’s kind of sus. Why would it turn out to just be what we’re told she is at the outset?

bronze delta
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The fragments are literally just spinning bits of data "memories" from Cortana sacrificing herself. Pretty sure she's actually done for, but I bet the Weapon will take the name Cortana

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That seems to have been the better way to soft reboot Cortana and keep her around

calm rampart
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They should have killed off cortana and had the whole game with chief struggling to fight the banished without cortana because that would make the banished seem more threatening and lose the redundancy of resurrecting cortana another time

bronze delta
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Well, they didn't really resurrect her again. It's more of a rebirth, and it was established that Halsey had multiple copies of Cortana prepared

calm rampart
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Yeah but it's still kind of cheap to have her die twice

last anchor
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She died once.
What we see in 5 is a remnant of her given godlike power by having access to the domain, something Halsey attempted as far back as the 2540s with...rather disturbing results.
Giving an AI access to literally endless knowlage and basically infinite room to grow is, as it turns out, NOT A GREAT IDEA.
Especially if the AI is a rampant shard of a formerly stable one.

bronze delta
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First time she only seemed to die

last anchor
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Cortana as we knew it died when she let herself vanish over Earth, her last act to save Chief from the Havok nuke that blasted Mantles Approach

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When the nuke went off, the ship emergency slipspaced to Genesis...and took the dozens of splinters of Cortana, the rampant personality fragments we see her eject to take down the Didacts shields, and then later open him up for Cheif to grenade him, with it.

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The strongest of those shards (designate "Alpha Fragment" for ease) found the Warden when it was in the Domain, as Genesis had a direct connection.

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This is how she was able to reach out to Chief on Argent Moon, awaken the Guardians, and lead the Created

bronze delta
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The way I took it she didn't actually die in Halo 4. She expected to, but her core was drawn into Slipspace. The whole thing in Domain Fragment (or whatever the comic is titled) about her being a fragment was a "lie", distracting the Warden while her fragments infiltrated past him

last anchor
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Possible. But word of god from 343 themselves said her core died over Earth

bronze delta
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Oh they did?

last anchor
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Yes. I remember them speaking about "her sacrifice" at HCS specifically.

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It also makes a lot more sense if you think about it; everyones wondering why Alpha Fragments acting all crazy and trying to take over the galaxy.

What do rampant AIs do? Get megalomaniacal and unstable, more often than not. Make bad choices.

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Alpha Fragment is the strongest former shard of Cortana given godlike power via the Domain.

bronze delta
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What also lends to it is the very real possibility of Cortana having the Logic Plague

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Especially since she quoted the Didact (who also had the Logic Plague) verbatim

last anchor
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They also said it wasnt.

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Thats another idea they batted down.

bronze delta
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Well dang

timid coyote
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so can anyone kinda explain what exactly is going on in the halo universe? ive played most of the games and ive been able to kinda put together some pieces but i really don’t understand muxh

versed helm
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What happens to arbiter (thaal vadaam) in halo 5? Why wasn't he in infinite?

gilded mason
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Because he didn't happen to be on the Infinity at the time it was attacked.

versed helm
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Ah

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Alr

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He still alive right?

gilded mason
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Yeah

versed helm
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Ok good

abstract wren
obsidian thistle
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https://www.halopedia.org/Halo:_Outcasts

Halopedia
Halo: Outcasts

Halo: Outcasts is an upcoming print novel by Troy Denning, set to be released on July 25th, 2023. The novel was originally set to release on October 18, 2022, but was ultimately delayed due to Denning's own personal health complications.
The novel follows Thel 'Vadam and Olympia Vale's efforts to recover a rumored artifact on Netherop that could...

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Honestly excited for that book!

versed helm
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Also good morning everybody

surreal glen
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Master Chief and Spartan Emile come from the same planet

gilded mason
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Were you going somewhere with that?

surreal glen
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No

timid coyote
unique rune
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Not really anything outside of what we get from Infinite

timid coyote
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okay

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i just watched a whole video explaining most of the halo story and thats the only part i was lost on

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so im assuming that the books just cover smaller stories?

bronze delta
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Not always. Some of the books (and even the comics) have pretty far-reaching stories and implications

timid coyote
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ah okay

obsidian thistle
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The 2022 Encyclopedia is currently the only expansion we get to the Endless at this current time!

last anchor
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Gahhhh Im gonna be on a boat when Outcasts comes out. Rrrrrr.

plain axle
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Rrr

bronze delta
last anchor
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Not a cruise, a research boat.

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Its a short trip tho so

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I can wait

bronze delta
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Ah, nifty!

calm rampart
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Are you a marine biologist?

last anchor
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Will be

inner smelt
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Is Halo Infinite’s multiplayer still set inside the War Games simulation?

verbal pollen
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Epic!
What're you researching?

bronze delta
inner smelt
bronze delta
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I know in past games it was all set on the Infinity's holodeck for the Wargames simulations (and man, that was fun to explore). But since the Infinity is crashed and possibly destroyed.... it's likely not there anymore, and who knows?

unique rune
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It's probably a mix of War Games simulation and live exercises, I'd imagine.

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A map like Live Fire might be an actual physical training course but some of the more exotic locations like Breaker and Oasis are probably built in a War Games sim.

last anchor
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Chasm definiently has to be artificial.

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The UNSC has War Games sims elsewhere after all, theres those huge space station platforms for Halo 5
The Muneras. Thats it

bronze delta
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Aye, with Laconia being gone

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Which space station platforms, though? The Breakout arenas?

icy yoke
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Various conflicts internally, settled by a united government who developed a super soldiers and various tech. By the 26th century humanity came into conflict with an alien conglomerate religious order called the Covenant

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To quote Robert Heinleins famous discussion about his book "Starship troopers" ....when two cultures of similar conditioning but different values....meet. war is inevitable

last anchor
surreal glen
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I don't think war games were something entirely new in Halo 4

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I mean, if you want to take the lore in consideration, there is no real reason as to why Spartans would kill each other in the multiplayer of the original trilogy and Reach

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Plus, The Pit map from Halo 3 is a Spartan training facility

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So I'd say the multiplayer in the Bungie games, if not simulations, were also training

abstract wren
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At the time of their launch multiplayer was not in-universe.
Location of the maps were in-universe and Canon
Halo 4 introduced the canonicity of the multiplayer. And After that, retroactively, all multiplayers became in-universe and canon (except was is actually going on, like S-II in war games for exemple)
The Pit is a training facility of the UNSC, not specifically Spartan.

obsidian thistle
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I'd say its this
Halo CE to Reach = Maps are used in Wargames.
Halo 4 = Wargames is circa 2558 after the events of the game.
Halo 5 = Wargames is circa 2558/9 after the events of the game.
Halo Infinite = Wargames is concurrent with the Season narrative.*

*Halo Infinites Forge canvas maps (you can ignore it mostly) seem to be set after the UNSC unifies with the Zeta Halo survivors based Skyboxes and other weird stuff. This for that reason doesnt run alongside Halo Infinites Seasonal Story.

Fun extras to note:
Halo Wars 1 and 2 = Skirmish maps are the sites of actual battles. (We saw this on the Halo Wars Launch Site + Halo Wars 2 Phoenix Logs)
The Spartan Series = These are just a Spartan playing a game on a data pad lol.
Halo Online isnt canon but if it was it would have been set on the canon Anvil Station.

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Now I am betting that AJAMs does have a Wargames sim somewhere on that planet. 🙂

bronze delta
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I always assumed that CE through Reach was just non-canonical, though the maps had canon elements

meager pier
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Yeah, Bungie took more of the approach of mp being non-canon with the maps being set in-universe, but actual missions not

fair hazel
fiery marten
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What happened to lord hood after halo 3?

obsidian thistle
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I recommend reading Halo Fractures! Got a short in there that covers that!

zealous pecan
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How did the unsc work

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Did the entire planet of earth join together like Russia China USA etc

obtuse crow
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Uh.

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The United Nations during the 2100’s formed the Unsc.

zealous pecan
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Does that mean Russia also joined

heady geyser
meager pier
woven ingot
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how did the endless survive the halo rings

hidden cobalt
# woven ingot how did the endless survive the halo rings

From what I understand they're immune to it's effects if it fires, which is part of why the forerunners didn't like them. literally built different. also... i'm pretty sure they might've found a way to create slipspace or time distortion bubbles to avoid them entirely? not so sure about that

steep ether
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Sounds about right

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We don’t have very much information about them so we’ll have to wait for more

hidden cobalt
meager pier
timid coyote
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so what order should the books be read in and how do they relate to the games

heady geyser
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Start with the fall of reach and go in order

bronze delta
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I will say I had a lot of fun referencing Wargames in an early form in one of my books. Had my squad practicing on Valhalla, used an encounter for a nice bit of foreshadowing, and had one of the squad trying to spawn in a tank crash the whole simulation

timid coyote
bronze delta
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I think I'm going to end up publishing that trilogy to AO3. Right now I'm working on brushing up a shorter fic set during early 2559, with an early discovery of a Guardian

timid coyote
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got me interested ngl

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i love the lore and stuff behind the guardians and forerunners

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now that i kinda understand the halo story

bronze delta
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Am I able to link to the Show and Tell in here?

timid coyote
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that is a mod question

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id imagine yes

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dont see why not

bronze delta
timid coyote
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ooooh okay

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have to check that out when i get a chance

prisma island
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Best halo book to start reading?

bronze delta
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I would honestly start with Contact Harvest

timid coyote
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im a lore nerd in just about every game i play so i want to dig deeper into halo’s

obtuse crow
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Do we have any estimates for how many ships the covenant had?

last anchor
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Lots

unique rune
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at least 2
maybe even 3

gilded mason
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At least, 4, really

minor charm
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“You should own an MA5C assault rifle for home defense, since that’s what the forerunners intended. 4 covenant break into my barracks, as I grab by bubble shield and assault rifle. Fill the first one with lead he’s dead on the spot, draw my pistol on the second miss him entirely since it’s the M6C model magnum. Headshots a nearby marine, I have to resort to the M247h heavy machine mounted to the top of the stairs. Loaded with caliber 12.7x99mm, the 12.7x99mm shreds two covenant in the blast. The sound and extra shrapnel set off car alarms. Surprise energy sword and charge the last terrified Elite he dies from the boiling wounds since the energy swords strikes with extreme Temperatures. Just as the forerunners intended.”

tranquil canyon
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what branch of the unsc would you join and why? mine would be the army cause ya boy doesn’t want to be staring into space for eight months deployment

kind cargo
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I have a question did the UNSC or ONI Ever recover noble six is body?

main zephyr
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Very unlikely

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given the planet's glassing

kind cargo
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But they did find Noble six helmet!

main zephyr
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Did they

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Just because we saw it doesn't mean they did.

kind cargo
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I just needed to confirm because a buddy of mine wanted to know what happened to the rest of him?

boreal bane
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Six got glassed

main zephyr
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He's not in a cave. His body wasn't recovered to be experimented on. Glassed along with all of the other dead MIA Spartans

kind cargo
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Or the elites might’ve taken his body as a trophy which kind of sounds messed up.

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But thank you for confirming it so I can tell my friend to stop annoying me about it.

timid coyote
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so can someone explain exactly what ONI is and how it relates to the unsc?

timid coyote
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copium intensifies

supple goblet
timid coyote
icy yoke
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ONI is to UNSC what CIA/NSA is

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And NCIS

gusty star
bronze delta
obtuse crow
timid coyote
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how many were deployed to reach

bronze delta
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315 ships, including the 60 of the Fleet of Particular Justice

timid coyote
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wow

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covenant wasn’t playing around

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do we know how many UNSC were deployed?

bronze delta
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About 152 warships

timid coyote
unique rune
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ONI officially is the UNSC Navy’s intelligence gathering division, but they function with so much autonomy they may as well be an independent branch entirely. They deal with intelligence gathering, propaganda, special military projects, etc.

Halsey was a civilian consultant that they brought onboard for a number of those projects, including the SPARTAN-II program and Project MJOLNIR.

Then ONI tried to pin all the blame for said projects on her and get her locked up. So. Fun.

timid coyote
gusty star
obtuse crow
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?*

gusty star
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Yeah in Oblivion

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It’s not outright stated but the math provided adds up to 4,000

orchid kettle
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Like, what, ONI never noticed how none of the kids they kidnapped were ever reported missing

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"Man, these 75 families don't even care! Maybe we did these kids a favor by saving them from these neglectful households!"

bronze delta
meager pier
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@orchid kettle I could see ONI using Halsey as a scapegoat, but the fact that they would try to play totally innocent in all the activities done in the Spartan program in kinda unbelievable, Kilo-5 trilogy is still mid honestly

orchid kettle
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via, uh, more kidnapping

bronze delta
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I'm outspokenly disgusted at how it treats the canon, how ableist it is at times, and just the terrible Character 180°s so Traviss can prop them up on her Halsey Hate Club soapbox.

Like really... A Huragok just "fixing" a disabled Spartan because Traviss doesn't know how to write her? Then having that same Spartan punch Halsey in the face, in full armor and not kill her? Come on.

bronze delta
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Eric Nylund was able to write her so that the readers made their own decisions about Halsey. Traviss decided for us that she's Space Hitler

orchid kettle
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Yeah Traviss clearly didn't pick up on the irony that Halsey realizing she was wrong about the Spartan Program and all the crimes she committed

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is exactly what lands her in jail

bronze delta
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Like focus on her kidnapping Kelly and Linda. Use that

meager pier
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The Halsey hate train that trilogy started was so annoying
I really enjoyed how Halsey was a morally gray character in the original novels, but Karen for some reason wanted to make Halsey out to be basically the devil

orchid kettle
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Though Im hesitant to blame Traviss alone

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because Halo 4 has Halsey defending her actions in the Spartan Program

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when post-First Strike Halsey doesn't believe that anymore

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Especially when we get to the tv show and Halsey just is evil, no strings attached

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Like for as controversial as it was, it honestly seemed like the Halo TV show is what some higher ups wanted for the series

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rather than like an unrelated hollywood writer gone rogue

meager pier
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Speaking of the TV show, I do worry that if not for the original games, if the TV show version of Chief is what 343 would want to do with the character from the get-go

bronze delta
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As for the TV show it's non-canon, and given the cleanup of Halsey from Halo 4 to Halo 5, I'd question how many people viewed her as "evil"