lore-and-universe

[craggy sierra]

Like ignore the mechanics of Halo ,the game, where marines eat dozens of plasma pistol rounds and react with voice clips like they scuffed their knee.

In the canon universe rules of Halo, single plasma pistol shots can take off limbs. One needle round can explode your torso.

Being unshielded in the story pretty much means you cannot get shot by covenant at all without dying or sustaining massive injury.

Spartans are as effective as they are because in the story, their shields can eat a lot of damage for them.

[carmine sleet]

Like, Spartans are definitely harder to kill than a marine out of armour but plasma's plasma, it's gonna still burn their flesh if they're out of armour. We even see Linda basically die from plasma burns in Fall of Reach due to her shields being down

[serene kiln]

I'm not even talking gameplay, I mean the cutscene where we see his final stand after he takes his helmet off
Armor's basically wrecked and he still manages to bring down most of a platoon rushing him all at once

[carmine sleet]

That wasn't a whole platoon in that cutscene

Most those Elites aren't even killed

[craggy sierra]

Also I thought we were talking career wide kill counts here? 6 was an active field agent for 15 years or so before Reach which is why I mentioned the fact he would have been in the non-shielded SPI armor most Spartan 3s had during that time.

I think he would've probably only got shielded armor within a year or two of reach, if it wasn't actually just at the point of joining Noble team itself.

[serene kiln]

Makes sense

[carmine sleet]

I was under the impression that Six joining Noble was when they got their Mjolnir

[craggy sierra]

Me too but the game doesn't specify. I think at the earliest though Spartan 3 Mjolnir wasn't ready till pretty late in the war regardless.

[carmine sleet]

Yeah

[craggy sierra]

So this is why it feels really debatable to me and kinda forced with how Bungie pushed the whole "just as hyper lethal as chief" thing in marketing.

ODST showed you don't need to be a Spartan to get out of some pretty bad situations and that was fine.

But for some reason with Reach they got it in their minds that they need to somehow explain that 6 is just as super cool as chief despite it not adding to the story and kinda making both him and chief read like fanfiction OCs with how they did it.

[carmine sleet]

Honestly, that's why I prefer the newer version of hyper lethal where it applies to all Spartans

[craggy sierra]

The new definition of Hyper Lethal is basically justified as "cringe is easier to manage when it's spread thin across multiple people"

[carmine sleet]

Yeah

I'm not the biggest fan of the term but I'd rather it not be used to elevate just two characters

[craggy sierra]

I still have so many questions about Bungie's take in it though. Like what did Chief so in their minds that didn't get the rest of blue team the term?

Or was this Bungie pretending they didn't exist at all?

Cause chief was never on solo ops before Halo 1.

[carmine sleet]

Most likely Bungie pretending they don't exist

[serene kiln]

I mean I can see why they might
They know not everyone who plays their games is hard-core enough to read through every last bit of the lore
Tbh I'd never heard of these other Spartans who're important to Chief's story before tonight

[carmine sleet]

Did you play Halo 5?

Because they're in that

[distant socket]

What happened to RCS-Class cruisers in halo?

CRS cruisers were later used by covenant remants/groups but

RCS seems to be some ship class that got replaced with CCS-classes

[carmine sleet]

They're still out there, we just haven't seen them much in media

[craggy sierra]

You could fix that part of the issue by saying "chief's team were the only other Spartans to get the designation" instead of literally only chief.

Even without reading the lore ans ignoring Halo 5 which came after, it'd be pretty easy to grasp the idea he wasn't working alone before CE. Especially since Reach was about a group of Spartans working together.

It could possibly have put the idea in the player's head that what we see in nobel team could have resembled what chief's day job may have been before Reach.

In addition to being subtle enough of a nod to where it wouldn't annoy people not in the know, it would also not do what their actual thing did. That being shotgunning several massive inconsistencies about chief and blue team into the lore.

[distant socket]

honestly RCS cruisers look very cool

is there lore to why there are more portrayals of CCS cruisrs with double fins on each side rather than a single fin(original halo ce cruiser)

[carmine sleet]

That I believe is covered by the idea of Covenant patterns

Basically, the Covenant ships, vehicles and weapons have different names depending on the pattern (Which is basically the design of the ship/vehicle/weapon)

[distant socket]

oh

[unique rune]

Single pair is Elefen-pattern and double pair is Ket-pattern nowadays

[carmine sleet]

So what you call the RCS cruiser is known as the Maugen-pattern armored cruiser by the Covenant

Honestly, I do need to properly learn at least the pattern names for the weapons

Like, I'm still used to the UNSC designations that we've used for years

[distant socket]

RCS itself doesnt have to have a pattern, because its only pattern is well, its single design

But yeah the design differs as a class

rather than the ship itself

all i see is more hull stuff sticking out on the RCS, and some curved tiny strands on the side of it

[unique rune]

I mean that’s not really how that works

Only one pattern of RCS has been canonically been identified
If it’s like any other Covenant materiel there’s bound to be a dozen other pattern variations

[distant socket]

oh

[unique rune]

And different classes are sometimes just major deviations from other patterns

like the CRS-class is an oddly small mutation of larger CCS patterns

[distant socket]

it also has alot of green lights

which in its way looks cool

underneath it

[carmine sleet]

The Concussion Rifle is a good example to use for this, the UNSC call it the Type-50 Directed Energy Rifle/Heavy (T-50 DER/H), whereas there's actually two versions of it (That we know of), the Elo'Nakada-pattern concussion rifle we see in Reach and the Zebando'Taa-pattern concussion rifle we see in Halo 4

[distant socket]

and a RCS, while practically 10x bigger than a CCS is said to have inferior firepower to the smaller CCS

i am not saying bigger equals stronger and better, but over time the covenant could have just improved the design and layout, and weapons and plating

[distant socket]

i found this gun a fuel rod but toned down a bit

or practically just a SPNKR

[carmine sleet]

The concussion is very different in how it works

And is definitely nothing like the SPNKr

[distant socket]

yeah but it fires projectiles that go nearly as fast as it

[carmine sleet]

Since the concussion rifle is basically just a plasma grenade launcher

Whereas the fuel rod is firing nuclear rounds

[unique rune]

Maybe one day I’ll remember more pattern names than the two CCS types and the T-57 Phantom

And when that day comes I do not look forward to trying to getting Jiralhanae equipment/workshop names figures out

[distant socket]

the forerunners exited the milky way galaxy in small numbers after their defeat right?

[drowsy mesa]

after one century, yeah
and inhabit in planets outside the Milky Way, but in a way their species would die in a few years

[scarlet quiver]

So how much of the galaxy has been colonized by all the species, including the Forerunners?
I dont think it is the whole galaxy, just a part of it. So the possibility of Precursors or whoever could still be in the galaxy that they know no-one is close to colonizing yet.

[gilded mason]

For contemporary species, everyone is confined to a part of the Orion Arm, barring outposts the Covenant has been setting up outside the arm.

[obtuse crow]

The forerunners had 3+ million worlds among other installations.

[fair hazel]

Most likely the pretending not exist

[plain moss]

did the flood consume literally everything in the galaxy before the firing of the halo array or did they just target the forerunners

[serene kiln]

So uh
Are the Elites and Brutes allies or not?
From what I understand the Elite/Brute civil war is what led to the downfall of the Covenant
But now in Infinite they're working together again (albeit with the Brutes at a seemingly higher ranking than the Elites)
What's going on there, is this something I missed in 5 cuz Thanks Microsoft™️?

[gilded mason]

Not everything is divided along species lines now that the war has ended

There'll be a multitude of elites and brutes that are neutral or even like each other, alongside ones that hate each other

[plain moss]

pretty sure the banished don't care about species as long as you can prove yourself as a mercenary (they obviously care if you're human)

[serene kiln]

Makes sense ye

[fair hazel]

Everything

[fair hazel]

There ARE human banished

[plain moss]

oh what

[obsidian thistle]

Yup

[serene kiln]

Interdasting

[drowsy mesa]

both on the Ark and Zeta Halo

[scarlet quiver]

Not everything, but from what i remember, enough for them to pull the plug and light the rings...

It was clearly a lost war when they activated them

[orchid kettle]

yeah you'd think if the flood just outright wiped out 99% of life, there wouldn't be samples of the various races to reseed the planets after the firing

unless you know, there were a ton of other races that just straight up went extinct and we never knew about them

[obtuse crow]

there was.

[gritty gazelle]

I wonder how much lore would change if gamma company was actually mjolnir.

[obtuse crow]

Like the entire company?

So, let’s say that the entire company somehow got Mjolnir power armor because the Unsc somehow got enough resources for that.

Isn’t gamma company the ones that have an insane amount of drugs?

So, let’s say that the 300 spartan III’s got power armor.

So on top of all their drugs.

They get the power armor.

Well, that’s a force to be reckoned with.

[obsidian thistle]

Money. Money problems would of happened

[quasi harness]

Guys

So its my first time playing the halo franchise and i downloaded halo infinite right?

So im playing the campaign and its a little confusing

Should i go back and play all the halo previous games?

[orchid kettle]

To be fair, Halo generally isn't a series that has cared too much about logistics

Like, of course we hear about how there's concerns about spartan armor costing too much

but apparently they're making a million different versions of Mark IV every week

nevermind how soon mark V and VI are released

[quasi harness]

All the halo games on xbox do take up alot of space

What do i do?

[orchid kettle]

even though Fall of Reach kinda tells us that for as cool as Spartans are, what saves a planet is how well the UNSC can defend it in space

[quasi harness]

Im not understanding some things abour the story

[orchid kettle]

And then like a year or so after the war, they finish construction of the Infinity, the first wave of Spartan IVs begin and we heard that there were like 145 of them in the first class

so thats a 145 new suits as well

[quasi harness]

Because i straight up jumped into halo infinite

Somebody help me

[orchid kettle]

Just play the old games

[quasi harness]

But i don't have space

[orchid kettle]

Make some

You can play MCC with only one game installed at a time Im pretty sure

its just the first time you download it on xbox, it'll make you download everything, but then you can scale back

though I think on PC, it only installs reach to begin with

[quasi harness]

So does that mean i should not complete the halo infinite campaign?

[versed helm]

have u guys seen the mirage helmet they added? (or going to add idk) I heard that it was used by the odsts

[unique rune]

Early versions of the SPI platform as well as the photoreactive plating tech were tested by ODSTs, but as far as we know there's been no canon examples of using parts of actual production SPI like the MIRAGE-class helmet.

[obsidian thistle]

What cha not understanding! 🙂

[scarlet quiver]

Hit or miss. and there will be many people who correct me here (please do)
Yes, play the previous games as they will give you an idea of how you got to where you are when Infinite begins, by explaining all the basics of who is who, their connections, and what is what.
On the other hand, some would say you dont have to play them, as most of the previous games stories are not relevant to Infinite's story: It was decided that Infinite is a reboot and the decision was to cut off previous story arcs.
So, you want to know the basics to understand Infinites story, so play the previous games. But you do not have to pay too much attention to the varies story arcs as they will not be relevant.
You need to know:

1. What are the rings (games 1-3)
2. the relationship between Cortana and chief (games 1-5)
3. what happened to cortana (4-5)
4. who are the banished (halo wars 1-2)

[obtuse crow]

Halo wars 1 doesn’t really go in depth about the banished.

[scarlet quiver]

Or you can go to:
Halopedia.org
And in the upper right corner, search anything you want to learn about those topics.
You can simply type in "cortana" and her whole story will come up.
It is easier than downloading all the games and playing them.

[obsidian thistle]

Halo Wars 1 was way before the Banished were even a thing! (In Story and in Real Life)

[obtuse crow]

Yeah.

[surreal glen]

Halo Wars is mostly harmless to the overall canon

[hazy shadow]

It's a fantastic show of how badass Spartans are supposed to be, compared to some of the other stuff that has come out lately.

[surreal glen]

I think the Halo 5 intro shows very well the capabilities of Spartans

[unique rune]

I always think to the “Monsters” cutscene and how it really just makes the Sangheili look comically incompetent more than it does Red Team particularly amazing

[obsidian thistle]

It didnt help the Spartan-II number scenario at the time lol. 4 Spartans died/vanished due to it or media around it lol.

That was a fun time till 343i tried to solve it!

[gilded mason]

Yeah…wasn’t a good showcase

[unique rune]

Must’ve been a limitation or CG at the time or something, but, yeah, it’s a very stiff and clunky scene

Even ignoring the bizarre and nonsensical choice of the Stealth Sangheili revealing themselves so far down the bridge

[hazy shadow]

Y'all the people I'm glad to see never happy, because there's no pleasing you lol

[surreal glen]

Yeah it's kinda baffling to see a pack of Elites getting clapped with ease but then they're powerless against one single Brute in the sequel

And in the CG cutscenes in Halo Wars 1 Elites are always holding needlers or rarely a plasma rifle

[unique rune]

Well I mean. It's not a particularly good cutscene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLGoPIjE-OQ

[obtuse crow]

I actually really like that scene tbh.

[unique rune]

The Sangheili decloak on the complete opposite side of the bridge for whatever silly reason, then proceed to charge down it to get mowed down by gunfire and the staves left by other formerly alive Sangheili. The few that do make it to the end pretty much come to a stop before engaging, and somehow let themselves get surrounded at times.

For a culture that pressures its warriors to be trained from birth, it is an incredibly poor showing

[obtuse crow]

That’s true.

[surreal glen]

Canonically, active cammo is useless against Brutes, Prometheans and snipers. Since the cammo produces heat, Prometheans and sniper rifles can see them with heat vision. The cammo also produces a smell that Brutes can sense

[carmine sleet]

I don't think the Brutes are smelling the active camo

[carmine sleet]

My guess is less a limitation of what animation could do and more the amount of time and money they had to work on that cutscene meant they couldn't quite make those Elites quite as accurate to how they should be

[carmine sleet]

I see you with that Genesis of the Daleks profile picture

[obtuse crow]

[carmine sleet]

Should've expected that from a Dalek XD

But yeah, watched that specific story loads when I was younger

[obtuse crow]

lol, I haven’t really watched much of the actual show. I’ve been mostly skimming the wikis and watching certain clips of daleks. But I don’t really wanna go off topic so if you want to talk about this more let’s go to dms.

[willow tendon]

i have a character that i made because i was bored while playing halo and made his story fit in with each game to current campaign

dunno if thats allowed here in this chaneel

but there it is

[carmine sleet]

What do you mean when you say you fit his story into each game?

[willow tendon]

this character and his portion of the universe is either in the dame universe but not scene of the games doing his own thing or he is making appearances in the mainline games big or small, but all i know is that he is a friend of chiefs

[full oriole]

Fun fact: unlike the Covenant, humans are allowed to join the Banished. However, after Cortana destroyed Doisac, tensions between brutes and humans within the banished have grown.

[timid skiff]

would they accept human criminals who want to sell them weapons?

iirc, the banished did trade with human criminals at some point pre-Infinite

[surreal glen]

Considering most Banished are just criminals that only care about benefits and convenient alliances, yep

[willow tendon]

So would anyone like a long summery of my character and a picture of him?

[last anchor]

Is it fan work?
Cause this is for hard canon, not fan characters

You want Halo Fanon for that

[tawny fox]

Interesting. I don’t really see a lot of Halo OCs or original characters made by the fanbase. Would like to hear more if you got any

[willow tendon]

i have a whole character sheet for this guy along with his equipment, if you want I'll send you a summary of his story!

[tawny fox]

Cool man! Feel free to dm me some characters details and a quick bio or something

[sick current]

CG limitations have nothing to do with poorly written choreography

[willow tendon]

i will dm you everything

[carmine sleet]

I never said it was a CG limitation, I was talking about the amount of time and money they would've had to spend on making that sequence

[sick current]

You said "a limitation of what animation could do" aka CG Limitations

[carmine sleet]

You're ignoring the few words I said right before that and taking what I said out of context

[sick current]

That was how you entered the conversation

It wasn't out of context, you said the Limitations were time, money, and limits of animation

[carmine sleet]

The full message I said was "My guess is less a limitation of what animation could do and more the amount of time and money they had to work on that cutscene meant they couldn't quite make those Elites quite as accurate to how they should be"
You are specifically ignoring the fact that I said "less a limitation of what animation could do" to try and make my point something it is not

I know from a good friend in the animation industry how much money and time can affect the animation pipeline

I never said that there was a limit to animation

[sick current]

I'm sorry

Misread

I probably should get off discord, I'm too angry to think clearly

Not your fault, I have things going on IRL have a nice day

[willow tendon]

who wants the story of Spartan captain red

[serene kiln]

So why do we just
Never see Enforcers again after Halo 2
Do they only show up in the event of a Flood outbreak? Or

[unique rune]

If something doesn't appear in gameplay that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't around

During the events of Halo 3 or HW2-ATN it's possible that some would've been canonically present even if we didn't see them

And also yeah it's just kinda
Not really necessary

There haven't been any Flood outbreaks to the same scale as what happened on Installation 05, so it's also possible that there was no need for much Sentinel presence outside of your typical Aggressors and Constructors.

[carmine sleet]

Yeah

I would love to see them appear again some day though, be interesting to see them working in conjunction with Promethean forces still under Created control or something

[serene kiln]

Prometheans are honestly kinda scary
The little wolf ones always come in massive packs and climb walls, the humanoid ones summon the flying ones that in-turn revive the humanoid ones and it makes them hard to keep down
The turrets hit like trains

But yeah, it'd be cool to see Enforcers again

[unique rune]

So the idea that the T-57/Mikpramu-pattern Phantom was in service during the latter days of the Human-Covenant War is still just a wiki assumption for now, right?

Because I really don't like the idea that it was introduced before the fall of the Covenant since it directly conflicts with how Halo 5's Covenant equipment was largely meant to be new Sangheili-designed materiel without Covenant bureaucracy.

[serene kiln]

All ik is apparently Spirits fell out of service just as the Flood were showing themselves
Ig Phantoms were just better? More firepower, a more durable design, more room for passengers to move?

[unique rune]

Well, no, again, it's just one of those "may have been offscreen" type of things you get with the realities of game design

[serene kiln]

Oh yeah and Shadows
The Covenant have open-faced busses that they deployed exactly once in gameplay

[unique rune]

Spirits would've still been around, but it's hard to justify keeping two setpiece vehicles that serve basically the same function within a game.

Though with Halo 5 they went and introduced a new model Spirit anyway

[serene kiln]

Also Reach used both without much issue

[unique rune]

I still don't really know why they made the Nuro'k Xur-pattern Spirit but I like the design a lot so I'm not gonna complain.

[serene kiln]

Also also Liches
Massive shame we only ever fight one of those

Unless there's more in 5, I don't have an Xbox so I can't play it lol

[unique rune]

Nah, 5 doesn't feature any in gameplay. Has the Kraken for a Scarab-alike setpiece instead.

[serene kiln]

Gonna have to look that up
Giant mobile forts like that are probably my favorite part of combat

Big boi

[heady geyser]

You mean crawls and knights

[serene kiln]

What are the flying ones then
That look like speakers

[unique rune]

Watchers

[sick current]

In halo ce, keyes tells master chief that the covenant were talking about how halo is a weapon, this contradicts other games were the covenant believe the rings to be holy artifacts that will help them to achieve godhood, am I missing something?

[gilded mason]

Cortana: "According to the data in their networks, the ring has some kind of deep religious significance. If I'm analyzing this correctly, they believe that "Halo" is some kind of weapon. One with vast, unimaginable power."

Keyes: "Then it's true... The Covenant kept saying that whoever controls Halo controls the fate of the universe."
Honestly, it could be handwaved that Cortana misinterpreted what the Covenant was saying to mean something more weapon-like.

[unique rune]

It's just one of those early installment oddities that happened because Bungie didn't quite have a concrete plan of what they wanted to do with Halo.

I don't think there's any real canonical reason but I'm sure you could reason it as a mistranslation of Sangheili language.

[sick current]

Alright

[unique rune]

Alternatively you could interpret it as some odd sect of the Covenant that had slightly different thoughts about the Halos from the rest.

I'm a little disappointed the '22 encyclopedia didn't touch on those more. I want more on those weirdos in the Governors of Contrition

[tawny fox]

Considering Sesa Refumee’s heretic faction was a part of the fleet of particular justice who took part in the battle of installation 04 I actually wouldn’t brush that off as a possibility

[woven portal]

Its kinda funny how offensive bias was introduced and then kinda disappeared

[distant socket]

offensive bias from what i know was made solely for the task of countering mendicant bias

[vivid viper]

it was then sent to Installation 07 to help with the containment of the Xalanyn (Legendary ending for Infinite)
it'd be nice to see a Forerunner AI in gameplay imo

[surreal glen]

it is believed that Mendicant Bias, without knowing, was responsible to send the Forward unto Dawn to Requiem and the Spirit of Fire to the Ark trying to help

[vivid viper]

wait wait what

[surreal glen]

It isn't confirmed

But the Spirit of Fire didn't get there by chance, as captain Cutter said when the crew woke up, they just had recently gotten out of slipspace, and it wasn't them who began the journey

[carmine sleet]

Aye, because they lost their slipspace drive during HW1

I do hope they tell us who took them to the Ark soon

Be a shame if we never find out

[abstract wren]

Don't really understand why would he want to wake the Didact as said in Mythos.
For me, it's not him. And we don't even have hints it's him

[obsidian thistle]

"And so here at the end of my life, I do once again betray a former master. The path ahead is fraught with peril. But I will do all I can to keep it stable - keep you safe. I'm not so foolish to think this will absolve me of my sins. One life hardly balances billions. But I would have my masters know that I have changed. And you shall be my example."
— Mendicant Bias to John-117.

I believe thats the reasoning. It believed it was going to die, and it wanted others to know it changed.

[abstract wren]

where does this come from ?

[gilded mason]

Last Halo 3 terminal on Legendary

[abstract wren]

ok and were does it says it will send it to the Didact ?

do all I can to keep it stable + keep you safe -> not sending to Didact is what it means

and Mythos said that the force wanted John to liberate the Didact

[obsidian thistle]

Its more implication

(For the record Halopedia doesnt say MB sent him there either.)

A good question would be this

How would MBs "masters" know he changed

[abstract wren]

especially by sending John... not it's just some wild theory for me

And given by people who shall not be named but just wanted to make clicks and views and attract part of the community and now is gone (left the community)

[obsidian thistle]

I wouldnt say its a wild theory. 🙂 But I will say you pointing out Mythos' "outside force" (page 168) to be incredibly compelling.

Its seriously a good catch! @abstract wren

[abstract wren]

Well it's not only me, it's all the french wiki

[last anchor]

I need to find that terminal again.

[obsidian thistle]

https://youtu.be/YJ4pYvqEh9I

I'll save ya a lil time!

[last anchor]

I mean for the achievement but thanks for the refresher

[obsidian thistle]

Ah! XD

None are hard to find! The hard thing is going through every version of them to read everything. XD Which isnt needed for the achievement. (Which I did for that project on og Halo 3, as MCCs version at the time at least had graphical issues with the terminals)

[last anchor]

Ooof

There’s a specific achievement for finding this one specifically

[brave aurora]

What's the difference between the greater and lesser ark I never understood that

[unique rune]

The Greater Ark was older, larger, and responsible for the creation of the original 12-ring Halo Array. It was destroyed towards the end of the Forerunner-Flood War.

The Lesser Ark is the smaller installation we see in the current time period of Halo, which created six of the newer, smaller rings that would be joined by one of the older rings that had been extensively modified.

[serene kiln]

One thing I've always wondered is why nobody seems to realize the potential the Needler has as a melee weapon
That's a lotta spiky stuff on top, just stab it into them and back away

[unique rune]

I mean it's a gun that tracks targets from a good distance away
If you're getting into stabbing range you've already made a horrible mistake

Blamite is already used in some melee weapons though I question why, considering that making a sword explode upon penetration seems like a really bad idea.
https://www.halopedia.org/Energy_cutlass

[serene kiln]

I mean
It ensures one good stab is all it takes

[unique rune]

And something like an energy sword doesn't?

It just seems like a really bizarre implementation of blamite because it puts the user at increased risk of self-inflicted harm while not really offering much more than other Covenant plasma weapons

[serene kiln]

Unless the Chief's been skipping arm day lately sometimes it ain't
Elites these days can often take one or even two swings before going down thanks to their shielding, and Brute Chieftains have enough armor to withstand a few hits too
Not to mention swords are about as useless as anything else against a Hunter's armor

You'd think a point-blank direct hit from a Scorpion would at least knock those things off-balance, my god

[unique rune]

If a plasma blade bounces off energy shielding then a physical blamite blade would do the same, if not just shatter instead

[serene kiln]

Honestly that could have its own benefits if the explosion does more damage to the shield than the blade
Though maybe that's just my perspective as an idiot fan of the Ulapool Caber

[unique rune]

But it wouldn't explode, you'd just have the crystal blade snap in half

[last anchor]

Like a crystal glass yeah

[serene kiln]

Tbh might be a perfect weapon for Grunt suicide bombers
Assuming the Jackals let them, idk what the relationship between them is post-Covenant

[final citrus]

where flood come from

[unique rune]

well y'see when a mommy flood and a daddy flood love each other very much

[high fox]

In all reality the floods origins are unknown but they were most likely formed by the remains of the precursors

[surreal glen]

The Flood are a metaphor to the great flood in the Bible that flooded the planet to reset the world, the flood happened because of the sins of mankind as a punishment of God, to survive, Noah created the Ark. Yeah, the Flood were created by the Precursors, Precursors are basically the god of Halo, and the Flood was a punishment for the Forerunners.

And the Forerunners built their Ark

[mellow pine]

Is there any lore at all on the previous arbiter that came before the arbiter we know?

[heady geyser]

You mean Ripa

[mellow pine]

I was thinking of writing a short story of an arbiter before the one we know and love from halo 2.

but 2 questions.

1. do we know all of the arbiters that were appointed the position from the first to the last?

2. which arbiter do you think would be best to write a story about?

[unique rune]

1. no
2. we only have like 8 of them named with at least a few decades between each of them, if not centuries
   you could really just make one up at this point

I think 8 might even be a little generous

[mellow pine]

ok, If i attempted this. Is there an event / idea you would like to see from the perspective of an arbiter?

[unique rune]

Irsu 'Labat (pre-Covenant)
Vema 'Togad (pre-/early Covenant)
Jeht 'Lcmutee (Taming of the Lekgolo)
Fal 'Chavamee ("The Duel")
Heki 'Gibadee (Unggoy Rebellion)
Ripa 'Moramee (early Human-Covenant War)
Thel 'Vadam (current)

so six named prior to Thel, apparently 18 confirmed from 'Chavamee through 'Vadam

[mellow pine]

so does this mean that the 3 before Chavamee are known to be the first 3?

or am I looking at this wrong?

[unique rune]

Those are the first three that we know of
I would imagine there's pretty big gaps between them

With enough room for others to have potentially held the role

[mellow pine]

is Irsu 'Labat considered the first without exception or is this just as far back into the rank of arbiter as we have been given through lore?

( maybe I could write about an arbiter before Irsu )

[unique rune]

Only the first one named, the title still precedes him

[mellow pine]

ok

[heady geyser]

Whatever happened to Heki Ik he led the covenant army during the Unggoy Rebellion but what happened afterwards like did he joined Thel and the swords of Sanghelios

[unique rune]

I mean he’s been dead for centuries I’m pretty sure

[heady geyser]

Oh I thought he joined the swords of sanghelios then just die during the conflict

[gilded mason]

Nah, the rebellion was actually surprisingly recent. 2462. But he's definitely dead since there have been new arbiters since then, though he would not have died of old age.

[heady geyser]

So basically he wanted to go out in a blaze of glory lol

[unique rune]

Man it always weirds me out how recent Covenant history actually works out to be

[gilded mason]

I know, right

[carmine sleet]

Not sure why that'd be up to the Jackals when Blamite is something found on Suban, one of the moons of Sanghelios, the homeworld of the Elites

[icy yoke]

When was non centrifugal artificial gravity developed aboard UNSC

[distant socket]

Energy Shielding OR Energy weapons, which one of these if the UNSC had during the human-covenant war, would have helped better

[carmine sleet]

Energy shielding, which by the end, they had standard for Mjolnir

And they did make some energy weapons, specifically the Spartan Laser

[serene kiln]

Idk if this is 100% the right chat but
Master Chief vs Gordon Freeman death battle
Who wins

[gilded aspen]

Whoever the writer decides wins

[final citrus]

that answers his question indirectly.

[final citrus]

gordon freeman has weaker armor

john 117 wins

guys what is master chief petty officer john-117's skin color i need it for a drawing

[verbal pollen]

He's white with blue eyes

He's also kinda old

[orchid kettle]

ya'll ever think about how the Scorpion hasn't really been in a book besides The Flood

[wispy prawn]

Wow

Never really thought about it

But yeah

[orchid kettle]

i guess it makes sense when every book tends to be about a small team of characters on some special mission, often in space

but my boy has been done dirty

[wispy prawn]

True lol

[vivid umbra]

I wish the Cobra was used in media more.

[serene kiln]

Tbf Gordon has multiple weapons that seem to just ignore armor entirely, or at least can deal with heavily armored targets
AR2 balls will atomize anything man-sized seemingly regardless of what they're made of
Gluon Gun cuts straight through multiple targets at once and turns them into particles within a few seconds of continuous fire
Tau Cannon reliably brings down entire tanks
He has a much more reliable RPG with fairly accurate tracking
And need I bring up the Super Gravity Gun?
Imagine fighting your way through hundreds of highly-trained soldiers modified with alien cybernetics
Exclusively by throwing them at each other

Oh yeah and Freeman can hold significantly more weapons on him at once than Chief

[onyx cedar]

How resilient are spartan visors, like would they break if they were shot?

[last anchor]

Depends on the visor but for the most part no

Several models are apparently stronger than the helmet they’re mounted in

They can crack but don’t tend to outright break

[dense pulsar]

MCs physical stats are way higher than freeman's, he has more battle experience, and I'd argue higher combat iq

[serene kiln]

I mean, physical stats sure, but Freeman's definitive proof that combat experience isn't a requirement
Man had never handled a gun in his life before the Black Mesa Incident, and rose up to wiping out entire squads of highly trained specialist soldiers, their tanks and the aliens they were fighting, then slaying an alien god baby, entirely through improvisation
And I'd say he's got a pretty high combat iq considering he can theoretically kill you with literally anything

MC may have his cool grapple-punch combo
But can he throw an enemy's grenade back at them and follow up with a strike using a toilet

[distant socket]

I mean by a general scale

because those are only for spartans and Spartan turned ODSTS/Marines

like if they had energy weapons for the marines,ships, or energy shield primarily for vessels than actual soldiers

[icy yoke]

I'd say Shielding is a more distinctive advantage. Energy weapons are based on tech Covenant already know. Thus their shields counter it. Widespread adoption of energy shields is a gamechanger if adopted to remains of UNSC fleet. If UNSC had ship borne shields naval engagements would have lasted longer and probably been more successful. Theater shields would permitted survival troops formations on planet surface against glassing. Mostly Shielded stations would protect worlds like Reach, Harvest and Earth 🌎 better

[distant socket]

I am not rlly the fan of shielding for people

because honestly shielding = stations,vessels,planets,structures

[icy yoke]

Shields are a better game changer becuz allowing survival if individual assets is more important

[distant socket]

Energy weapons deal more damage, but giving up your defense for power is a last ditch sort of game changer

by the time your shield gets nearly depleted or halfway depleted, the reinforcements or firepower will increase

[icy yoke]

Even with ship shields UNSC ships relied on tactics of overwhelming a enemy vessels shield. Given COVENANT energy weaponry advances UNSC would not be on better footing even if they had developed energy weapons such as Lasers, Masers and etc.

[distant socket]

Oh

Wait i just realised

[icy yoke]

UNSC tactic was fire MAC rounds to overload, damage ship, shields whilst taking opportunities to attack with missiles and bombs

[distant socket]

In video games doesnt physical projectiles destroy hull better than plasma or energy

[icy yoke]

It's mixed bag.

[distant socket]

in theory a fast plasma projectile should pierce like a physical projectile and also burn the surrounding with it, which makes destroying UNSC ships easier

i rlly dont get it, but its probably to balance games, in story sense its sort of weird

[icy yoke]

Think Trek. Shields dissipate thermal energy, radiation and physical mass kinetic energy. UNSC had Super MAC deliver kinetic energy to a point finite it transitioning its mechanical energy to thermal

[distant socket]

as in for destroying non shielded unsc ships

[icy yoke]

A shields surface area has a finite energy balance. The MAC overloads it by delivering brute force on a single spot. Like stabbing a watermelon

[distant socket]

Ah

so thats why MACs rlly pack a punch!

[icy yoke]

Plasma requires focus too....and may dissipate it over distance

O believe plasma weapons are projectiles and produce plasma as both propulsion and energy deliverance

With shields... UNSC ships could survive to continue battle

Shields also reduced need for heavy armor reducing vessel weight and allowing resources to be better spent on more ships

If shields can do better than 10 meters of armor plate.....

You can still have armor plating

[carmine sleet]

To be clear, that doesn't mean the energy shields should be seen as a replacement for that armour, since having the heavy armour, while not as good as the energy sheilds, it still helps provide protection

[icy yoke]

Armor serves heat thermal dissipation as well as radiation shielding. There's a layer of tungsten under there

Cheaper to adopt layer of lead but tungsten has much higher heat resistance

[serene kiln]

Honestly why haven't the UNSC dissected and repurposed Covenant tech
Considering they fight so often that the average marine has a handle on how to use almost any Covenant military hardware

[gilded mason]

They've tried. For years.

The Mjolnir energy shielding was the end results of many years of research

Covenant tech is simply really hard to research and replicate

[serene kiln]

So ig they've just resorted to stealing it whenever possible?
Still amazes me that's what's-his-name sergeant knew exactly how to pilot a building-sized siege walker in Halo 2 lol

Ik he's a big deal and I like him I'm just bad with names

[tawny fox]

Johnson? The sergeant you’re talking about

[serene kiln]

Yeah that's him

Then the Scarabs in every other appearance didn't even need pilots cuz
Iirc they're filled with the same worms as Hunters?

[tawny fox]

Don’t forget captain keys also piloted a spirit dropship in CE with difficulty of course

[serene kiln]

And the time that one guy flew a Phantom in 3 ODST

[abstract yarrow]

They sort of don’t need to. Covenant technology isn’t superior as of Halo 4. The only reason the Banished win and are a threat is because they vastly outnumber the UNSC. Stuff like Spartans and AI technology is better as well. It’s just the UNSC has a lot of legacy equipment, it just works and the Covenant tech is based on crudely reverse engineered Forerunner tech; but conversely don’t know how to just make an assault rifle that fired bullets. Its the equivalent of using an electric drill as a weapon in Roman times. They don’t know what the tech does and are using it for absurd purposes to achieve an outcome that you could do with simpler technology.

[carmine sleet]

That being said, there are weapon foundries ran by former Covenant that are making new weapons for combat, such as those ran by the Banished or Lodam Armory on Sanghelios

And then there's the Gespu-pattern fuel rod gun, which is made by a multispecies team on Venezia

[terse coral]

Considering how long the Covenant has been around to work with their technologies, I don't think the humans are doing too. The humans have only had access for a fraction of the thousands of years the covenant has their tech.

*too bad

[mellow pine]

anyone know some really good resources to read more about ancient sanghelii? (before energy shields, firearms, covenant ect). I've already read everything on Halopedia.

[gilded mason]

Well, it was recently confirmed outside of cut dialogue that they had a "first form" before their current second form. And that's basically all the new info we have on pre-Halo firing Sangheili

[terse coral]

Closest thing I can think is Broken Circle

[terse coral]

However broken circle seems to go more into depth about one culture rather than all sangheili in general. And focuses half the time on the San Shyuum, I thought that the San shyuum lore was really interesting because they're not the most popular species

[carmine sleet]

So not sure this is the best place to put it but I just noticed that in the concept art of Eklund they're holding the Bandit Rifle. I honestly thought she was holding a Battle Rifle in this art for the longest of time

[obsidian thistle]

Heh someone noticed

[icy yoke]

True aspects. But Covenant doesn't research they reverse engineered thousands years forerunner tech to best their knowledge

[gilded mason]

They do research, it's just (usually) heavily regulated

[icy yoke]

In isolated religious ethno casted

By contrast human scientists are free to research as they please.... for sake technology development

[obsidian thistle]

Oh wait I forgot to add that category to that image on Halopedia. 🙃

[icy yoke]

Shields work to defend UNSC assets and far more applicable than energy weapons

[gilded mason]

I'm pretty sure humans have regulations regarding what and how they research as well. Just not as tight.

[icy yoke]

Lasers are great but substantial power demands...

One advantage of directed energy weapons is eliminating line of sight weapons orientation

[carmine sleet]

I was just looking at it earlier and was just like "Wait? That's a Bandit!"

[icy yoke]

UNSC ships have MAC alignment with ships bow

Covenant ships can fire any direction they want. Even rearward....mitigating that whole attack from behind

The Anlace was first UNSC starship to feature DEW as primary arsenal

But did have a MAC

[obsidian thistle]

It did not have a MAC

[icy yoke]

It does possess a dorsal MAC

[carmine sleet]

I don't see anything saying it has a MAC cannon

[unique rune]

It was originally assumed to be a MAC due to how universal the armament is for UNSC warships

Canonically it’s been established to be a high-power laser turret

Apparently the Mulsanne-class and its Brightlance predate the Anlace-class by two years anyway for that matter

[terse coral]

Do we know when the Eternity is supposed to be finished?

[gilded mason]

Nope. Still part-way finished as far as we know

[terse coral]

Hopefully it's completed with the release of The Endless

[unique rune]

I get the feeling it won't be finished for a very long while

If ever

[tall otter]

Anyone have any nice hi-res Lux Voluspa images?

[heady geyser]

I always wonder why didn’t the forerunners didn’t use a tactical pulse during the flood war did they think it be ineffective against the flood

[unique rune]

The Flood were so widespread and the effect of an individual Halo ring is large enough that I feel like there wasn't any point in trying to fire any single one at a time

[heady geyser]

Thanks

[icy yoke]

Eternity will he finished..... soon

Like Sagrada familia

[icy yoke]

I guess I was wrong....about the anlace.

Wow. Not even missiles?

[distant socket]

has the UNSC ever considered making ship classes with designs or patterns or such similar to forerunner or covenant vessels

or even replicating their ships

[terse coral]

To some extent, ONI has implemented forerunner technologies into some classified ships. Some of them are featured in the Kilo-five trilogy

[icy yoke]

Infinity was designed to incorporate as much Forerunner technology as they could find

The exotic materials of Forerunner technology was point threshold UNSC had yet to cross.

But learning

Precise slippage jumps

Directed energy weapons

Energy shields

Nanotechnology was already on development....

But still incapable of making stuff needed like forerunner tech

Forerunner also made use if quantum entanglement to FTL communications

Initially UNSC carried messages via starship directly. This was slow.... with ship speed of 2.6 lightyears per sideral day.....

Eventually slip space derived transmission allowed bandwidth to flow across the galaxy

UNSC ship design if it's to be produced in large numbers they stick with tried and true technology

If a new technology is implemented.... a vessel can serve as a test bed.

This real life example, the US Navy does this on so called surface effects ship

Test every piece of new hardware

RADAR, sensors, weapons, new guns , electronics

[icy yoke]

Replicating ship design in lieu of actual technologies they don't possess....

Wouldn't make much sense....

[sick current]

I was reading Halo first strike, and Spartan Frank has a realization that he instinctively knows the Covenant controls to the Wraith tank, and in the book The Flood, Master Chief knows which button to hit to activate the light bridge, somehow instinctively understanding the forerunner language.

How is it that Spartans just suddenly understand these controls? Something to do with Geas?

[versed helm]

Ah

[last anchor]

Something like that, though the part with Fred im not sure about

[sick current]

The master chief bit makes sense, but Frank is never explained

[carmine sleet]

Who's Frank?

Because I'd remember a Spartan Frank in First Strike

[last anchor]

Fred

[sick current]

Yes Fred

My bad

Irl friend who I play Halo with is named Frank, threw me off

[ember hedge]

For Fred, he has probably had exercises or training in how to use a wraith as he has been active in the war now for several years. I imagine that the UNSC had probably captured some wraith before and studied them. Like how Sergeant Johnson says in Halo 2 that he had fought Scarabs in Simulations before and that they are tough but not invincible.

[sick current]

Yeah, but he shows clear confusion at knowing how to pilot the wraith

[terse coral]

Fred has just as much training as John, so it would make sense that they can both operate foreign technology

[terse coral]

True

[tall otter]

so anyone figure out the text on the bandit?

[tall otter]

And why am i reading about boats now?

[terse coral]

Boats?

[serene kiln]

Were this Atriox guy and the Banished in Halo 5?
They made an admirable effort to get people who couldn't play 5 caught up but I still feel like I missed something

[inner hinge]

no

those were introduced in halo wars 2

[serene kiln]

Fair enough
I'm like 80% sure that's at least on the Microsoft store on PC?

[blissful ravine]

i have it on PC through the MS store

[inner hinge]

yes

[heady geyser]

No Atriox was introduced in halo wars 2

[serene kiln]

Fair enough
Do we witness his whole story with ||Cortana blowing up his home planet|| or is that new news with Infinite

[unique rune]

That was a new plot point for Infinite

[serene kiln]

Interesting

[heady geyser]

Like EMPEROR said it was a new plot for infinite

I always wonder are all activation index the same or no

[unique rune]

no

[heady geyser]

Thanks

[serene kiln]

So just to confirm
Do the Flood still exist as of Infinite?
Afaik there was at least some of them contained on every Halo Ring
And Infinite does give them multiple shoutouts
But there's apparently a worse infinitely-replicating alien race contained specifically on Zeta Halo?
I'm assuming it can infinitely replicate based on it being called "The Endless"

[surreal glen]

Every ring has a different way of hiding its library and presenting its control room so that anyone that destroys or deactivates one isn't so lucky with another ring. That's why the control room in Halo CE, Halo 2 and Halo Wars 2 are all so different

[surreal glen]

There is a Flood easter egg in the game

[serene kiln]

Oop
Now I got something to look for
Only Easter egg I found was an arcade machine

[abstract wren]

The Flood still exist in multiple location. Those we know of are the Ark + other Halo.

The Eternal are not replicating like machine, not that we know of. The only thing why they are "worse" is that they survive the shot of Halo and then could destroy Forerunner's plan. that shouldn't be possible, but you know ... "magic of the scenarium".

[surreal glen]

If the Forerunners couldn't defeat the flood after firing all the rings at once, what makes you think firing up just one in Halo 3 defeated them?

[obtuse crow]

We killed a major source of flood infection.

It’s defeated for now.

[serene kiln]

So quick question
Where approximately is this Flood Easter egg
Wanna see if I can find it on my own, just need a place to start looking lol

[tall otter]

yup names of old boats, different classes and things

[icy yoke]

I still say shielding. Even if UNSC developed energy weapons at record pace.... it's a question of range.

[unique rune]

It's towards the end of Foundation, right before the Tremonius boss fight if you look around a bit

[serene kiln]

Understood, thank

[serene kiln]

Do any of the HVTs in Infinite make any prior appearance, be it in games, comics or whatever?

[unique rune]

Okro ‘Vagaduun is the only one to have made any appearances prior to Infinite, debuting in the “Sacrifice” short story that appended the Walmart exclusive version of Shadows of Reach and was later published online as a PDF.

[serene kiln]

"Walmart exclusive version"

[unique rune]

I take that back, Balkarus was in the Halo Wars 2 Phoenix Logs. Also put in an appearance in Shadows of Reach.

Zeretus also appeared in “Sacrifice”.

[unique rune]

I mean. What else am I supposed to call it? It was a Walmart exclusive edition of Shadows of Reach.

[serene kiln]

As in they only sold it at Walmart? Like
Other distributors got a different version? Lol

[unique rune]

Yes

The normal edition lacked the extra short story

[serene kiln]

Wew

[icy yoke]

AV49 Wasp 🐝 was equipped with shields... did UNSC retrofit its existing vehicle stock with shields

[scarlet hinge]

pretty much all of the Exodus Guard members appeared in HW2 or Divine Wind in some way

https://www.halopedia.org/Exodus_Guard

[terse coral]

Ever wonder why in ODST they have "medigel" around every single corner? Does the military use the same products?

[orchid kettle]

They mention in Battleborn that there's something called "military grade medigel"

so yes

[flat kernel]

From what I remember from the 2022 encyclopedia, there’s a bunch of types of medigel that’s sold as a civilian medical product, and then a stronger version that’s produced for military use for patching up combat wounds

[orchid kettle]

Probably for the best too, since it doesn't seem like biofoam would be the lone magic cure all

its mainly about sealing puncture wounds, which may not be your primary concern when your enemy largely shoots plasma

even for the weapons that do puncture, apparently you'd die from the radiation from a carbine round, and the needler is, well, the needler

[scarlet hinge]

in ODST, medigel being all over the place is just about equivalent to buildings IRL having first-aid kits and defibrillators

but yeah, medigel is used in the military as mentioned above

[tall otter]

So how were the language keys on halopedia made?

[terse coral]

And biofoam ofc

[last anchor]

Biofoam also includes celluar regenerative substances and numbing agents, alongside sealants and foam splinting capabilites to hold broken bones in place and make sure organs dont rupture.

Medgel is a disinfectant/nanite regenerative material you put on cuts and scrapes and larger wounds to allow for rapid healing and celluar regeneration. Im fairly certain some biofoams have medgel in them.

[last anchor]

As for why this is, well...you try living in a large, crowded, bustling city and ask me how many times you get hurt on the job just doing your usual routine.

I work a grocery store in a major city and my fingers get scraped all the time. Would be hella nice to be able to walk around the corner after work and get a spray to seal up that nasty cut on my finger.

[icy yoke]

Medigel. UNSC treatment for cuts and lacerations

[last anchor]

I read that in the Supers voice honestly

Also on a darker but related note, the NMPD has pelican gunships, UNSC military grade ordinance, and in extended lore, Cyclops's for support.
I get the feeling crime is not a non-issue in New Mombasa.

...Heh. That'd have been a fun thing to see in Sadie's Story. 26th century organized crime.

[serene kiln]

How often do the Covenant actually use Shadows?
They only appeared the one time in Halo 2 and afaik they're their only dedicated ground transport vehicle
But honestly if you told me they were designed for public civilian transport I'd believe you

[obsidian thistle]

To start off fun. The Banished modified a Shadow into the Methane Wagon you see in Halo Wars 2!

https://www.halopedia.org/Methane_Wagon

[unique rune]

I still don’t understand how this thing is supposed to be a Shadow derivative
Looks more like four Choppers glued side-by-side than anything like a Shadow

[last anchor]

Pretty extensive modification

[warm ridge]

That looks crazy

I like it

[carmine sleet]

Maybe that's part of why it looks so different? They glued four Choppers to the Shadow?

[obsidian thistle]

And to go to the normal Shadow. If we go off the understanding of the Type system. The UNSC recorded the basic Shadow by 2529. So thats at least shows the Covenant did use it.

https://www.halopedia.org/Ruwaa-pattern_Shadow

[unique rune]

I guess? It just doesn’t feel like it retains anything from the Shadow, unless it’s built on an entirely different pattern from H2’s Ruwaa-pattern.

[obsidian thistle]

I actually started to see the Shadow influences

Is a fairly extensive modification however

[orchid kettle]

Given who the chief of police is

I dunno if the problem is the crime committed by random civilians

Like, didn't he order his officers to mow down civilians at one point

[serene kiln]

The funniest thing about the Brutes to me is the fact that their level of technology means that least a few of these barbaric, pack-hunting bear-monkeys were smart enough to invent it
The Gravity Hammer is proof that at least one Brute in their history had a proper understanding of electromagnetism

That one Banished audio-log at the Digsite in Infinite is a good example of this
The guy speaking in that was using very big words for a Brute
Immediately contrasted by Bassus

[orchid kettle]

"When you think about it, Grabnuk, science is like, fighting with your brain!"

[serene kiln]

"GREAT HONOR FOR 🅱️ASSUS"

[icy yoke]

Kniwledge of Maxwell forces made Humanity a threat. MAC gun is throwing a stick.... simple physics.
It's like Stargate SG1 where asgardians admit technology of projectile weapons..... adequate to defeat energy weapons Gould or replicators

A rock fired at .25 c does the job

😂

[vivid viper]

Wasps were introduced sometime in 2553, but still in the field trials stage by '58 with energy shielding as seen in H5. The Infinity was capable of producing Wasps on her own, so I theorize that due to supply restraints brought about by Cortana's Guardians they were either manufactured without or stripped of their energy shielding, both being equally likely in my opinion, however it would require a single shielded Wasp to be in Infinite's campaign (which there is not) to disprove the latter, and further official word to prove the former.

(which is a shame, imo as I would have loved to see a shielded Wasp, but I understand that it'd probably be too powerful for MP)

[icy yoke]

Infinity was producing wasps. But shields might be a critical resource material

Or better yet specifications on starships frigates have 2 shield units. Better have a network of individual units across the hull... Dorsal, ventral, port, starboard, BRIDGE

Independent bridge unit

[vivid viper]

cough Star Wars bridge shields always being shot out first cough

[icy yoke]

Trek bridge shields.....

[vivid viper]

But yes, I see your point with bridge shields

[icy yoke]

Halo and trek have oneeee thing common. Once the shields go....your ships toast

[vivid viper]

lmao yep

[icy yoke]

Halo ships are typically powered by fusion

Some experiments in antimatter

[vivid viper]

Pretty much everything is really

[icy yoke]

Trek ships use anti matter/matter annihilation.... MAM/A reaction produces 285x more energy than fusion per kilogram

[vivid viper]

The guns are the only battery-powered things I see, if the MA40 is any indication (cylindrical grip on the bottom reads 5200 mAh)

[vivid viper]

hold. what?

[icy yoke]

Ships in star Trek are powered by Matter, antimatter reactors

The signature "Warp core" as it's called

[vivid viper]

I know, I was just surprised by the 285x figure

[icy yoke]

Oh he'll yeah

[vivid viper]

I'm seeing figures between 100-200x so

[icy yoke]

Deuterium fusion produces 630 Terajoules per Kilogram

That's 0.5 and 0.5 Kilograms united with 2% lost as neutrinos

Matter, antimatter produces 90 Petajoules

[vivid viper]

huh, thanks for that

[icy yoke]

With 2-3 % lost as neutrinos

[vivid viper]

now I've got more accurate figures for my pitiful attempts to try and calculate the power generation of a GN Drive from Gundam 00
(casually ignoring that they're decayed baryons not hypervelocity particles)
(it's still gonna be bad)

[vivid viper]

noted

[icy yoke]

Fusion output Gundam series differs

Configuration of fuel consumption

Some eschew hydrogen for lithium hydride which can be used in a powder format

[vivid viper]

The original Gundam series, yes.

00 is different (limited info available)

[icy yoke]

GN drive baryon decay relies on steady supply of baryons

Assuming it needs a specific fuel supply

I believe endurance is more important than output

It's like a V8 engine with 500 hp

Vs single cylinder with 60hp

But the single cylinder is so reliable it runs for a million miles

[vivid viper]

argh, variables, variables. damn it all LMAO

[icy yoke]

But energy contentets look at capabilities

A fusion reactor on a UNSC ship

Using a kilogram ....in a time frame of

Trek has multiple power supplies

Warp core main power

Impulse engines which are huge fusion reactors

Fusion reactors. With backups

And when SHTF they have batteries

A MAC round from.a frigate has a kinetic energy of 270 Terajoules

That's 1/3 kilogram of fuel...100 % efficiency of course

Where as Vacuum energy highest order potential magnitude

10¹⁰⁰ joules

[vivid viper]

friend who's been out of the loop for a while asked me: "what happened to Cortana"
So I explained
and he WENT OFF

[obtuse crow]

Lol.

[acoustic yarrow]

What were Halseys opinions on the Spartan 3s?

I know she does not look at Soarton 4s with much respect, but after she found out that the 3s were indeed not just more Sparton 2s, what did she think of them?

[gilded mason]

Saying this as somebody who forgot most of Ghosts of Onyx: was apprehensive about them, but after spending time around them, grew fond of 'em

[acoustic yarrow]

I can see that, 3s are the closest to being like 2s..

Of course it seems that Sparton 3s act more like soldiers instead of Spartons. Halsey even criticizing Carter after he was telling her what his teams orders were

Now 4s, I don't think she will ever respect them much

[crimson copper]

eh, I'm sure she sees the pragmatic value in the S-IV program at least, even if she thinks her methods produced superior results

[outer zealot]

hey >:(

was that me

[vivid viper]

Yes.

[outer zealot]

man 😔

really gotta do me dirty like that

[vivid viper]

evil smirk

[icy yoke]

Halsey hated all the Spartans except the II s....they were a manifestation of quick decision and corner cutting

But III served a purpose, Their mission was to guaranteed success. It was to buy time

We can't stop a runner but we can stub a toe or twist an ankle

Slow Covenant progression til adequate defense strategy can be implemented

My opinion the signature technology that ushered in UNSC was the Energy shield

Once that was successfully implemented, they were on ..... near equal footing.

Question is how much initial shield tech was Covenant reverse engineering components.

At what point was domestic manufacturing capable.

[wheat dew]

Anybody else miss Greg Bear

He was a really good author

I’m reading the forerunner saga and they’re good

[acoustic yarrow]

I swear, that saga just made the Flood even more terrifying, most of the time, the more you know, the less scary, but the Flood is different

[serene kiln]

You know what would instantly make the Flood unstoppable

[last anchor]

Bear took the Flood from being "just space zombies" to something that rivals foes in 40k and the Culture novels

[serene kiln]

If they discovered that if they're careful with the starships they gather, they can use them more than once

Am I the only one who was bothered by that
The way the Flood just crash the ships they control into their target with reckless abandon when with just a little more coordination they could get infinitely more mileage out of them

[tall otter]

Still convinced we're on mars

[gilded mason]

What do you mean

[tall otter]

Oasis is on mars. Ive made up my mind

[gilded mason]

What's your reasoning?

[tall otter]

Theres tons of reference to things that should be on mars

[gilded mason]

I'm pretty sure Mars isn't right next to a ringed planet.

[carmine sleet]

Also Mars is a human colony which as far as we know, doesn't have large Forerunner structures anywhere on it

Ok, there's a Juridical listening post but that's it as far as we know

[icy yoke]

Mars is home to large shipyards.

It's low gravity makes an ideal place to lift resources with less energy

Resources like aluminium, iron, magnesium, and titanium are found in the Martian soil.

All stuff ya need make starships

[ripe jackal]

Why does Halo: The Flood make no mention of hunters being made of worms?

[unique rune]

…Is there any reason it would?

[ripe jackal]

Well it seems to imply that they are a single creature with "leathery skin" which seems to diverge from the lore.

[unique rune]

Welcome to early installment weirdness

Things are often not concretely defined early on so you just get weird bits and pieces that mostly get ignored or overwritten once something is more established

Dietz may not have had up to date reference material (or anything of the sort) to work with when describing Hunters

Early concepts and the actual model in CE don’t appear to have any individual eels, nor does the game manual note anything of the sort. I’d have to recheck what The Fall of Reach says but it’s possible that the “eel colony” thing for Hunters just hadn’t been well established at the time

[scarlet hinge]

it's not mentioned in the manual nor the old Xbox.com site, so there's a very good chance the detail simply wasn't established canon at the time

[ripe jackal]

I see.

The story can still work because the hive forms it's own intelligence and personality over time.

[surreal glen]

Because the book was written very long ago when the lore of numerous thing in the Halo universe were not completeley defined yet

[icy yoke]

COUGH. Jupiter

[last anchor]

Mars is not near Jupiter.
The distance between them is so wide it takes months for a space craft using a gravitational slingshot to arrive.
There's the asteroid belt between them too, which is millions of klicks in diameter

[last anchor]

The ones during the Forerunner/Flood war utilized Forerunner equivilent naval line tactics and all the equipment they had on hand.
Once the Flood reaches the organized stage, it can make the best call for a situation faster than any non-assimilated counterpart.

Any crashed ship does so very much intentionally; the loss of a single vessel (easily replaced from their foe) vs the aquisition of possibly an entire world or an entire other vessel or more.

[final citrus]

Untrue. He did hazard training course B)

[serene kiln]

Hell of a delayed response but fair
Further proof that Freeman would at least stand a real chance against Chief

[final citrus]

ok chief loses to one punch

[serene kiln]

Anyway
Idk how big the Ark was but I still question the Gravemind wrecking High Charity on it

[final citrus]

bc um

he um

he like ummm

he uhhhh

the ummmmmmmmmmmm

the armor has weakness to getting punched in the back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[serene kiln]

Freeman's combat experience might actually be greater than Chief's
He's fought for less time but he's brought down a lot more with a lot less

How many times has Chief brought down something the size of a Strider without having access to similarly-sized hardware of his own?

[final citrus]

just cut off the strider's leg

durrr

[serene kiln]

Then he gets atomized by its warp cannon at point blank
That thing is an air strike compressed into the size of a vacuum

And let's not forget the time Freeman cleared his way through a couple hundred highly trained soldiers armed with alien cybernetic enhancements and weaponry
Exclusively by throwing them at each other with the Gravity Gun

In his own words, Chief needs a weapon to do anything
Freeman's physics degree means he can find a way to kill you as long as the fight takes place anywhere besides a padded cell

[open root]

John killed 3 odsts with his bare hands when he was 14 without his armor

[serene kiln]

Wew

What kinda military school did he go to that turned him from a bad kid like that to a loyal soldier that barely seems to understand the concept of rest

[final citrus]

the ark blew up

[last anchor]

No, no it didnt

[flat kernel]

It was during a training exercise I believe, and I’m pretty sure it was an accident

[last anchor]

Training accident combined with the UNSC wanting to see just what a freshly augmented Spartan was capable of.

[terse coral]

He wasn't a bad kid, they took him at 6 years old. Then they sent the ODSTs to test John. He didn't intend the kill them but the ODSTs were ordered to fight him. So naturally John fought back and they didn't stop so neither did he. 2 of them were killed and one was severely injured.

[autumn vessel]

Where was the original Spartan III training facility again?

[dense falcon]

Planet Onyx

[autumn vessel]

Where did they say the Johnson training facility was?

[dense falcon]

Some unnamed, top secret planet.

[autumn vessel]

HMMMMMMMMMM

I will need to look into this more

Camp Currahee, that's right. Going to look into descriptions of it

[shell mango]

Is there any cannon reason why SPI is being ported to Spartan 4s?

[autumn vessel]

Unsure tbh, I can see it if they have no other option, but it was made to be a cheaper alternative to Mjolnir.

[shell mango]

I know that, issued to Spartan 3s

But why would it be ported to Spartan 4s

And why was that squad wearing it from the season 3 intro cutscene

[autumn vessel]

its probably less of a lore thing and more " Look, its that armor you guys liked "

I do hope that its given a proper lore explanation

[terse coral]

It is???

[last anchor]

If your hoping thats where JAMS is your out of luck; Onyx is gone.
Trevelyan, the sheidl world that was inside it, was where Onyx was but is now (as far as we know) currently inhabiting a 23 centemeter wide sphere in real space. If I remember the size correctly.

[last anchor]

Its usable by anyone, augmented and unaugmented alike.
Veta Lopis utilizes it in Halo: Retribution.
It provides more protection and semi powered assit to a nonaugmented trooper

[autumn vessel]

I forgot that was a thing that happened.

[last anchor]

Most people did.

[autumn vessel]

Not that, but its use for the IV's

[last anchor]

Why would IVs not be able to use it?
The description in game even says its GEN3 Spec

IIC apparently is MJLONIR, but cheaper

[autumn vessel]

Wacky

They deff can, its more. Why this over actual Mjolnir.

But I guess if its some weird point it counts as Mjolnir now

[last anchor]

Again; MJLONIR but cheaper.

Which makes sense considering the UNSCs current resource strapped situation

[unique rune]

Cheaper, better for infiltration use

[heady geyser]

So basically a cheaper version of MJLONIR

[last anchor]

Yes

[golden pulsar]

Guys

[heady geyser]

Yes

[golden pulsar]

I was gone for a little

So where's the spoiler chat

It looks like a lot happened

[heady geyser]

Some channels got removed to make it simpler

[golden pulsar]

O ok

Just a bit confusing

Thx

[heady geyser]

Wasn’t SPI was used for stealth/assault purposes

[icy yoke]

SPI armor is cheaper.... however technological improvements in SPI systems mean possibly certain new technologies were likely incorporated...such as shielding. Who needs 1000 lbs bulk armor When a shield can stop or at least survive an infantry hit. Since stealth is more important for SPI armor than durability....

[orchid kettle]

Mirage also seems to imply that you don't need to be a Spartan to wear it

which fits with SPI

[distant socket]

did guilty spark plan to fire the halo in CE, because he assumed the infection spread to other systems when in reality it was just the ring being infested

[heady geyser]

The plan was to fire the ring but in doing so chief and all living beings would have been killed in the process since the whole purpose of the halo rings is to starve the flood of its food

[distant socket]

Ik, but the ring was the only place infested at that point of time right?

[heady geyser]

Yeah but I believe the flood plan was to use the autumn to get off the ring and infect other systems

[dense falcon]

Installation 05 was also infested, but nobody knew due to Penitent Tangent's negligence.

[distant socket]

oh

[heady geyser]

I mean spark did suggest that tangent was descending into “madness”

[distant socket]

if realistically halo ce had features from other games, would guilty spark sending multiple sentinels and effort to destroy the autumn and other vessels instead of going to firing the ring have helped his reputation

by destroy i mean make it into something unrecognizable, but not explode the ring(because the reactor thing in the ship is somehow intact and very dangerous)

[icy yoke]

What was the power output if UNSC lasers.

Gigawatt. Terawatt

[serene kiln]

Honestly I would imagine Petawatts or something
That's an entirely baseless guess tho

[acoustic yarrow]

you know what always bothered me lore wise, the fact that the Brutes are already killing Elites in ODST. Buck find Elite bodies beaten by Brutes like 10 minutes after In-Amberclad follows Regret through Slipspace. when the Great Schism does not happen for some weeks after that event

[open root]

Yeah it would have been nice to fight both in odst instead of only finding dead ones

[obtuse crow]

Uh, it actually did start on earth before it reached the point where it was the great schism lol.

I forget the exact events.

[acoustic yarrow]

but then why did the elites on High Charity not get a message about what was happening on Earth

[serene kiln]

Could've been isolated incidents maybe
Afaik they never liked each other even before things heated up in the Great Schism

[obtuse crow]

Pretty sure isolated.

[acoustic yarrow]

okay, but there is now way to explain how Sargent Johnson appeared during the Legendary Ending of ODST if the ending still takes place during Halo 2

[serene kiln]

It's his son
Johnsonson

[acoustic yarrow]

I will take that as cannon

[shell mango]

Sgt.Johnsonson

I like it

[verbal pollen]

I thought it was his grandson, sgt Johnsonsonson

[heady geyser]

Did laskey ever gotten over his allergic reaction to Cytoprethaline

[shell mango]

I don't think so. I think he just deals with it

[gilded mason]

The ending literally has a titlecard saying it takes place a month later lol

[last anchor]

The Battle of Earth was not a short fight.

Also, we actually got the staging stuff for what happened recently via Canon Fodder; when Truth found out what had happened, he sent a message to the Brutes in Regret's fleet (specifically the Chieftain Alpha-9 kills at teh end of NMPD) to begin the purging of the Sangheili and to hold the ground and wait for reenforcements.

[surreal glen]

The games always skip the time to avoid confusing the player and overcomplicating the plot, but a good while passes by for example, going into slipspace. There's like 2-3 weeks between the missions Metropolis and Delta Halo. And as for Halo 3, the trip through the portal from Earth to The Ark took almost a month

[wispy prawn]

The ending was the start of 3 aka miranda and Johnson got back and chief was on his way

[last anchor]

After a short butchering of the Sangheili on the ground the Brutes left continued their occupation of New Mombasa and the promised reenforcements arrived (thats the carrier and cruiser we see in Costal Highway)

[last anchor]

It was about two weeks from Reach to 04 as well

[tall otter]

I would really love this actually laid out on a timeline 😑

[serene kiln]

I still think Chief works too hard
Do they ever elaborate on what he does in his spare time? When there's no active mission going on?

[last anchor]

Trains with his team or preps for the next one.

Lot of it during the Covenant War was spent in cryo going between stars

[tawny fox]

Combat and fighting is probably all that chief really knows so stuff like simple recreational activities would probably be a foreign concept to him or he wouldn’t understand why it’s considered fun.

[serene kiln]

Until proven otherwise I will assume he does stuff like this
https://youtu.be/jQVTNuTjnFU

I'd pay my entire life-savings for a cartoon episode where his squad physically drags him out for a vacation

[orchid kettle]

I think the nature of the Covenant war means there's always a planet or two being invaded

so Chief probably doesn't get a ton of off time to begin with

[tawny fox]

That would be hilarious.

[true briar]

Can someone break down what ONI does or why they are so suspicious and all

[orchid kettle]

they're the space CIA essentially

[obsidian coral]

Can't wait for the plotline where ONI introduces Space Drugs to the Banished to destabilize their community

[dense falcon]

They already have that ready against the Sangheili in the form of rice

[fallen trellis]

Their primary use is to violate the Geneva convention.

[vivid umbra]

I believe all Spartans are like that. One book had one who developed a liking for beaches.

[tawny fox]

Interesting

[steep ether]

Many Spartans enjoy doing recreational activities, such as: drinking, vacation stuff, one even had a child and family

Among other stuff that I can’t recall

[carmine sleet]

The one that had a child was one who went MIA and had to make a deal with ONI so they wouldn't force him back into fighting

[fallen trellis]

Specifically, he was a dropout from the first round of the II's augmentations.

Another reject went Insurrectionist and wound up killing a fellow reject, to my memory. Randal or Ronald was the one to stop him, and ONI let him go as part of the coverup of the whole situation.

Because their spartan rerecruits dying and going traitor would be a huge scandal.

[serene kiln]

Just finished the first episode of the TV series and no spoilers, but
Can see why discussion on the UNSC paints them as
Morally questionable sometimes

[acoustic yarrow]

Oni higher ups are some of the only people who knows that humanity is much older and went against the Forunners. but they wisely kkeep t secret as that info going out could make things worse

even though I have no idea if ancient humanity were all just homo-sapians and then met the two other human species, Neanderthal and Denisovan when they got to Earth, or if all three were part of it, or if they evolved into those 3 after put on earth

[icy yoke]

Person is smart, people are dumb panicky idiots

• Agent K

Is Any Canon mention how fast sublight is on UNSC ships..... besides apocryphal sources

Cuznthey still use nitrogen and hydrazine based thrusters for orientation

Or have they mastered the art of inertial negation

[distant socket]

Has the UNSC have any progress on making cheaper, efficient handheld energy weapon

The spartan laser is OP but that is an anti vehicle weapon

And using it on infantry is just a waste of ammo

[icy yoke]

I doubt it.

Lasers appear to be only weapon capable

No attempts are seen in plasma

[terse coral]

Thursday war >=)

[unique rune]

No, mostly because they don’t need to

Bullets still work fine and retraining everyone on DEWs would be a hassle

[tawny fox]

Yeah I’ve asked this question myself. Having to train everyone on how to fire AND reload and overall maintain the new standard issue energy weapons would take some time.

[icy yoke]

Directed energy weapons suffer from issue of power demand and tampering from external forces. If it's electrical....it's only as good as it's extension cord

[surreal glen]

Why did Halo 3 make such a big deal about The Flood being defeated by just firing one incomplete ring and damaging the Ark? If the Forerunners firing all the rings at once wasn't enough to defeat them for good, what makes us think firing only one would?

[icy yoke]

Covenant energy weapons mY use variety possible exotic material.
Plasma is doable, probably just modify its existing missile warheads with some sort of plasma charge.

But that may require a catalyst or exotic chemical as plasma feedstock which
A) UNSC doesn't have
B) doesn't exist in their worlds/colonies
C) deemed to hazardous to keep aboard.

[verbal pollen]

Because the gravemind was becoming powerful, and the flood was spreading quickly
Firing the ring stopped that

[amber cloud]

Does anyone know if there is some really cool lore on the new Season 3 Maps? (Cliffhanger, Chasm, Oasis)

[icy yoke]

One thing that quirks me 🤷‍♂️ why it took 500 years to make Lasers weapons on ships. Lasers are being installed aboard navy ship now...albeit they suck.

Unless these are XRay lasers, pretty formidable

[heady geyser]

I want to say Oasis is some forerunner place that got cover in sand

[acoustic yarrow]

for the longest time humanity had no dea how to charge up plasma weapons, what changed that allowed that in Infinite? did the UNSCand Oni finally figure out how to charge plammsa weapons

[unique rune]

It could be a result of cooperation with Sangheili weaponsmiths if you're looking for a canonical answer, but more likely it's just a gameplay conceit with no canon answer because constantly switching out energy weapons to find the one with the most charge is inconvenient and annoying.

[serene kiln]

Took something like 20 years of fighting the Covenant for either side to devise keeping spare ammo in easily accessible boxes

[serene kiln]

On that note I don't think anybody knew how to recharge Sentinel Beams and other so-called "Hardlight" weapons before

[acoustic yarrow]

I do admit, I got so use t it, it now effects how I play in older titles

[errant verge]

There’s a gravemind still inside the High Charity crash site.

[acoustic yarrow]

I think Halo Wars 2 confirmed it was a Prooto Graveminnd, the OGG was killled in 3

[errant verge]

No, there is still a full gravemind still alive in the depths of High Charity on the Ark.

The flood outbreak on it in hw2 was the proto that was destroyed

[acoustic yarrow]

well, then the sentinals, Banished, and Spirit of Fire better take care of it

[errant verge]

I don’t know why the Ark’s defenses don’t just go in there and burn it all instead of just putting a quarantine shield around the crash site.

[unique rune]

Er. Where are you getting that from? The Gravemind on High Charity was destroyed in Halo 3.

Or at least sufficiently crippled that it needed to relocate itself to Installation 08, which was then destroyed. The only Flood on Installation 00 are an uncoordinated mess.

[surreal glen]

Because that technology was still very far from being possible in the late 90s when the Halo story began to get assembled

[icy yoke]

Still 5 centuries.... I get Halo was also hard scifi where the majority technology is within realm of possibility

[surreal glen]

It is a common confusion considering we never saw or were told how exactly the Gravemind from the bottom of Delta Halo managed to get inside High Charity, which was orbiting the ring in space

[icy yoke]

Example data Crystals....are being worked on. Intel and IBM have silica fused data chip which uses iron and silicon fused atoms to store data

40 Terabytes on a piece of glass size of a postage stamp

But not ready for prime time

[surreal glen]

I mean I do get what you mean, the human technology seen in Halo games could reasonably be achieved in the next 2 centuries at much

[icy yoke]

On scale of technological readiness....

Powered armor suits: possible , doable with present tech but bulky and unwieldy

Fusion: still in infancy.....never mind portable fusion to run MJOLNIR and portable generators

[acoustic yarrow]

even then, to make something evenn close to Spartan Armour, it would cost billions

the same as a frigate in Halo

[surreal glen]

The one thing I see difficult is anything remotely close to slipspace, or hyperspace, flying so fast you travel to a mirror dimension of the universe reduced in scale to get from point A to B in a short time. That needs some quantum physics knowledge that we simply don't have nowadays

[icy yoke]

One aspect not mentioned is new next generation explosives. In HALO octave chemical bonded nitro explosives are 3-5 x more powerful than RDX

[acoustic yarrow]

we have seen some examples of it, quantum particals going from one area to another, as if it bent space

[icy yoke]

US 🇺🇸 Developed New explosive called CL20. It's 20-30% more powerful than C4

Improved ballistics powders for guns

[acoustic yarrow]

the use of rail guns also help to make it more powerful, making it go to like 90 percent the speed of light I thin

Mac cannons literally shoot nuclear warheads at insane speeds

[icy yoke]

Fastest apocryphal data was Infinity super MAC fired slugs at 0.4c

[surreal glen]

Depressingly, the most unrealistic thing about Halo is that over 500 years in the future Earth is still habitable. I guarantee you that ain't happening

[acoustic yarrow]

and what is 0.4c?

[icy yoke]

40 percent light speed

Earth is habitable. With fusion providing socities power energy pollution is largely gone

[acoustic yarrow]

ah, still much faster then what we are capable of,, and even shooting a steel rod could cause massive damage only seen by the likes of bombs used in WW2

[icy yoke]

Another realistic technology...
H2ICE

Hydrogen burning internal combustion engines

They already work

[acoustic yarrow]

oh yeah, they wanted to make cars with Hydrogen cells, but they are still very expensive and experimental

[icy yoke]

Fuel cells require expensive catalyst and manufacturing

Engines....is mature technology. They simply need tighter seam, and different intakes and a few tweaks inside to deter hydrogen embrittlement

But other than that a hydrogen burning engine still applicable. Still getbengine to go Vroooom

🏎

[acoustic yarrow]

and, despite what people think, it will not explode like the Hindenburg

[icy yoke]

The tank will flare explode

[acoustic yarrow]

but it will be more difficult, today eletrc cars have a better chance of exploding then cars with hydrogen cells.

[icy yoke]

Holograms

Doable

[acoustic yarrow]

we already have holograms

[icy yoke]

Fusion drive

Possible

Unlike fusion power , fusion propulsion may only need consecutive start ups as a propulsion source

[errant verge]

There’s proof of a gravemind still in high charity.

In HW2 awakening the nightmare when Voridus unleashed the flood, we see pure forms come out high charity

Those can only exist if there’s an active gravemind

[errant verge]

Or that the unsc still drives on rubber tires

Humanity has not come very far in 500 years in halo for some reason.

Maybe it’s cause they got sent back to the Stone Age.

[bronze delta]

I think it's more a forced perspective of familiarity. If it goes too futuristic, it won't feel "human"

[errant verge]

Fair point

[last anchor]

The Warthogs tires are carbon nanotubes formed into a solid wheel format.

No rubber involved

No air needed either actually so the Hog can keep rolling no matter what it hits

[errant verge]

Cool fact

[icy yoke]

Well carbon nanotubes are actual technology

Just not applied to any manufacturing additive yet

[icy yoke]

Or maybe 22nd century constant geopolitical turmoil

More emphasis was on defense and food production

[tall otter]

damn it now i miss halo railgun 🫤

[icy yoke]

Coilgun.
Railgun was infantry

[carmine sleet]

Pretty sure Metatron was talking about the Railgun from H4/5, Spiked

[peak fjord]

Ik we should be taking the Banished AI semi-serious.. but I can't, it's more adorable than threatening.

"D'aww the AI will gnaw on our bones somehow, look at him try."

Iratus' weakness, his chip being put in a drawer and left alone for a decade

[acoustic yarrow]

do banished AI even have the same derogation as human AI?

it could last a whole lot longer

[obsidian thistle]

Note: Smart AI can last longer than 7 years

Its just thats when the issues more times than not start happening

That said Rampancy might be "fun"??!??! for Iratus

[tall otter]

Yep

[gaunt oak]

Rampancy is irrelevant to Iratus, if you are rampant 100% of the time, you will never lose it like the weak human AIs, it's simple logic!

[verbal pollen]

😆

He saved himself his dignity. Instead of losing his sanity to rampancy, he got rid of it willingly

[icy yoke]

Covensnt religious doctrine prohibits the creation of more sophisticated AI
They have essentially dumb ones that handle basic tasks

So they don't every about rampancy

[unique rune]

I mean. The ARC-920 is a coilgun.

[fallen trellis]

When he finally goes Rampant, it's like he smoked a joint.

Totally mellows out.

[last anchor]

I wonder if he'll even actually go rampant considering the main issue with it is internal space. If you dont clog up an AI's matrix with stuff like "security protocols" and "final dispensation capabilities" and "Asimovs Three Laws" you got plenty of room to keep growing past 7 years

[last anchor]

Iratus isnt a Covenant created AI. He was put together by humans utilizing a Brute's brain as the host. Same way human smart AI are made...using a non-human as the base.

[icy yoke]

AI run basic systems. What do you need smart AI for when what. Basically amounts to slave caste exists in your society

Question. Does fusion require deuterium...can't they fuse protium hydrogen

[orchid kettle]

I want to believe its somehow a cloned Escharum brain

let my grizzled silly boy live on

[last anchor]

Im fairly certain Iratus was created by humanity before the events of Zeta Halo

[gilded mason]

Yup

[carmine sleet]

Yeah, so unless time travel is involved (It isn't), there's no way for Iratus to be made from Escharum

[eternal plume]

what if the halo universe was all a dream that keanu reeves had while sleeping on set for the matrix 2

just saying what we are all thinking

[unique rune]

I don’t think
it hurt my brain

[serene kiln]

I keep hearing about humans joining the Banished
Do any hostile humans actually appear in Infinite or

[carmine sleet]

We do not see any hostile humans in Infinite

[surreal glen]

It is somewhat true tho, everyone can join the Banished if they want to

[carmine sleet]

I could always make it hurt more, a friend of mine exists in the Matrix universe thanks to something in the most recent film appearing in the background

[eternal plume]

no need think. Only need do

[stable junco]

Um, may I ask, whatever happened to the flood post halo wars 2??!

they should still be on the ark-

[surreal glen]

No one said they aren't

[gusty star]

They got contained back into High Charity

[surreal glen]

Of course the Flood is still out there either on unexplored planets, unexplored rings, perhaps even let loose in a distant galaxy

But one thing is certain

You can never stop them for good

[sick current]

I don't agree, the flood can be fully irradiated

[surreal glen]

As established at this point by the lore, you can't

[sick current]

I'm ok with being wrong, why can't the flood be stopped?

[obtuse crow]

They are precursor.

[serene kiln]

And also just reproduce too fast to reliably wipe out

[acoustic yarrow]

Plus, you have moniters like on Delta Halo that let a bunch out

[obsidian thistle]

You cant physically destroy it. Even if it starves to death.

1. Biomass remains till it either decomposes or just remains in space. (The latter means infection can start if said body is found)
2. Cant kill spores. So all it takes is one unlucky peep to accidentally restart it all.
3. We actually dont know if the Flood actually expanded beyond known space. There could be infected galaxies out there and we'd be none the wiser.

IE the only way to stop the Flood is to either be very careful and eradicate every last one. (Which is near impossible)

Or eradicate their entire Food. (Which I hope you and I agree is a bad idea, I like living)

TLDR: The Flood will forever be a potential threat.

[wraith prawn]

what is a precursor

i sorta know but at the same time i dont

[obsidian thistle]

Very old Species.

https://www.halopedia.org/Precursor

[wraith prawn]

they predate the forerunners, right?

[obsidian thistle]

Yup

[wraith prawn]

alr

thanks

[sick current]

If their " Biomass remained" how was the galaxy reseeded

[obsidian thistle]

Oh a Solute was used.

https://www.halopedia.org/Solute

Now its impossible to put it on everything

Especially with craft lost in space

But thats how reseeding happened

Essentially put that down and it stopped the biomass from destroying ecosystems when stuff started to decompose

[terse coral]

Unless they did the shield world thing that the Didact proposed, we would at least know the shield worlds were empty of flood

[acoustic yarrow]

Are their anymore survivors of the Orion/Spartan 1 project? I only know of Johnson being one

[obsidian thistle]

If we take anything from ILBs serious

Yes we know at least one of em

Well 3
https://www.halopedia.org/Gilly

https://www.halopedia.org/Gladys_Wilson

https://www.halopedia.org/Morales

(Presumably others but its hard to say)

I would say the audio drama part of ILBs is the part that has the least issues

So take that as you will

[acoustic yarrow]

Darn, it seems that no one connected to any spartan program can ever live a normal life

[unique rune]

Kinda hard to do that when you’re involved in a project to develop living, breathing killing machines

[surreal glen]

To a certain extent, I can respect Spartans 4 more than 2s. 2s had no choice, they were kidnapped and trained to be the perfect soldiers. 4s began as marines, they became a Spartan willingly by training and merit, they didn't have the privilege to be a Spartan forced onto them, they earned it

[hazy shadow]

Saying any Spartan 2 didn't "earn it" is fightin' words.

[surreal glen]

They did as well, but they had to earn it either way since becoming a Spartan was not their choice

[acoustic yarrow]

Darn, at least the 1s and 4s can go backvto a normal life being consentung adults, 2s and 3s were screwed being kids, 3s more so since their homes were destroyed by the Covanent

[terse coral]

3s were kinda sad

[acoustic yarrow]

3s have to be the most tragic, highest fatalities, worse armour a lot of the times. And taken at their most vunrable

[terse coral]

I'd rather be a 2 than a 3

[acoustic yarrow]

I would be a 4 since at that point it is a choice

[terse coral]

Yeah

[surreal glen]

I would be a Promethean Knight

[terse coral]

Composed💀

[surreal glen]

Hey, I become virtually immortal

[terse coral]

I mean you really do

[acoustic yarrow]

Speaking of 4s, I do hate that the games seem to imply that 4s just replaced ODSTs when they didnt

[bronze delta]

When did the game imply that?

[acoustic yarrow]

By showing no ODSTs at all during 4 and 5, only marine and 4s

[surreal glen]

It is canon tho, many ODSTs were given the chance to become Spartans, but neither the books nor the games say that they got replaced

Just a part of them

[bronze delta]

I think that's more just circumstance. Since 4 was limited to Chief's perspective, and 5 had both Osiris and Blue Team away from any UNSC forces, really

[acoustic yarrow]

And then Inifinite,we're you only rescue Marines, when hands of ODSTs were kn Infinity before it was destroyed

[surreal glen]

But really, seeing one or 2 ODSTS becoming Spartans doesn't instantly mean that every single ODST was replaced by a Spartan

[placid patio]

sorry if this is the wrong channel, but what is this bird-like thing on SC? https://noclip.website/#Halo/b30;ShareData=AM44*UkTsF8}k;iUTi_2VRzzLQ+V]aUgB|TUM@G8U49||9b]?$9eGn7UqEMsU!

[bronze delta]

Per information in the Spartan Field Manual, the ODST are still very much a part of the UNSCDF, no worries there

[placid patio]

ODSTs are just people who aren't good enough to be Spartans?

[surreal glen]

Both Infinite and Halo CE have ODSTs, they're just not wearing ODST armor

[bronze delta]

Can't see anything; do you have a still shot?

[placid patio]

then we won't get another ODST game with badass ODSTs, because they'll be Spartans

[surreal glen]

Again

ODSTs still exist

And 343 did make a Halo game about ODSTs

It's called Halo Fireteam Raven

[placid patio]

it takes a while to load xD

[placid patio]

is it still loading for you?

[bronze delta]

Aye, but to be fair that was set during September of 2552

[bronze delta]

It is, yes

[surreal glen]

ODSTS are still relevant in modern books tho

They haven't left the Halo universe

[bronze delta]

Very true, yes

[surreal glen]

Which is amusing since they weren't a direct creation by Bungie, but rather conceptualized by Microsoft Game Studios

One of the first instances of Microsoft forcing some aspects of Halo

[bronze delta]

@placid patio as soon as that loads I'll have a better answer for you as to the creature in question

[placid patio]

I can't attach images in this Discord??

[acoustic yarrow]

And one thing I realized, when this is all over, Lasky would get court martialed for abandoning Infinity while people were still on.

As it is the captions duties to make sure everyone leaves safely, and then they can leave, if not, they go down with thecship

[bronze delta]

Did he leave before anyone else? It was my impression that everyone else got off first

[gaunt oak]

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[placid patio]

thank you

I have super fast internet (440Mbps) and it took over a minute to load

[bronze delta]

My internet is two Unggoy slamming rocks together in comparison

[acoustic yarrow]

Well the audio logs show Master Chief was helping him to escape, and that was all before Cheif was thrown off by Atriox, and their were still people running around in that cutscene

[bronze delta]

I do see that John-117 and Fireteam Taurus escorted him off, from which he sent out the call to abandon. One thing to keep in mind is that UNSC protocols may be different than current military. I doubt he would have been escorted by Spartans if the expectation was for him to remain

Remember from Halo CE, Cortana expressed incredulity at Captain Keyes' plan, stating "While you do what, go down with the ship?"

@placid patio That's going to be one of the Golden Moa's, added into numerous Halo games for weekly challenges. Shoot it to collect for the challenge

[acoustic yarrow]

You could be correct, and military doctrine could have changed as well during the human covanent war as to not lose that many officers

[unique rune]

The UNSC simply may have abandoned the tradition of the captain going down with the ship, especially after the Human-Covenant War. Letting experienced command personnel die in a war where they needed every able body in the fight would’ve been a very poor decision.

[placid patio]

thank you! ❤️

[bronze delta]

And here I had pages pulled up for tri-wings and the like lol

[stable junco]

https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Forge_World/Hemorrhage

@prisma vine ^

[prisma vine]

Yessss

Why’d I get pinged lol

[stable junco]

idk sorry

~<

[fallen trellis]

ODSTs are directly mentioned as reinforcements/backup during the last mission of the Infinity in one of the campaign audio logs in Infinite, for anyone wondering.

In the same message, Spartans were mentioned as a separate entity, so it's not like "Send in the Spartan ODSTs".

[acoustic yarrow]

It is funny that ODSTs use to hate Spartans, and now are the best candidates to become one

[drifting sparrow]

Don't they hate Spartans because a 13 or 14 year old John 117 kill 3 of them?

[finite token]

lol

i think

[unique rune]

Some of Silva's ODSTs did. Others were a little bit annoyed they were no longer the best of the best in the UNSC.

[acoustic yarrow]

I think even some 3s took the procedure to become 4s

[cobalt quiver]

What are the advantages to Chief's Halo 4 mod armor?

[obsidian thistle]

Advantages are hard to say.

We know know much about that set

https://www.halopedia.org/Mark_VI_MOD

Thats all we really managed to get on it

People did find it apt to make a GEN2 version of the suit though for Master Chief and isolated others.

And the GEN2 suit got parts seemingly adapted into Noble armor and later circa 2559/60 into the UA/AHALA shoulders.

So the armor has some lineage.

This would also suggest the armor had some worth

@cobalt quiver 🙂

[carmine sleet]

So glad they made some pieces of that version of Chief's armour equip-able

Hoping we see more pieces in the future

[distant socket]

Can lifeboats just fly without being launched from an altitude or from space?

Because cortana initially wants us to take a lifeboat out of the autumn when its in the ring..

[acoustic yarrow]

Quick Google, it can fly, but not meant for extensive atmosphere flight. And since Halo is much smaller then Earth, it does not gave much to worry about