#lore-and-universe

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orchid kettle
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Reading the Spartan Field Manual, I think the IV augs are still pretty intensive

last anchor
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Intensive, not invasive.

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Part of the reason the S-IIs had so many issues was the amount of deep work they were getting done to them.
The S-IIIs were more chemical based as we see in Birth of a Spartan and Ghosts of Onyx
Though I doubt the Alpha company members were fully awake for augmentation, that sounds...a bit crazy even for Spartans

orchid kettle
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They have titanium bones, muscles laced with whatever the tech suit is made of, will live in their physical prime for over a century

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various organs replaced so they barely have to eat, they barely sleep

gilded mason
orchid kettle
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for real

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titanium bones, not just 3% ceramic or whatever the IIs had

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they're basically mjolnir on the inside it sounds like

gilded mason
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And all of their muscles are removed, augmented, and then reattached to the enhanced skeleton.

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It's insane stuff

orchid kettle
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nevermind how horrible the actual procedure is to make an adult human taller

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where you break the bones in select places and slowly stretch the limb out as it tries to heal

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somehow all in 3 months

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being a IV honestly sounds like a bit of a nightmare

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Barely sleeping means you'd probably spend a lot of time alone in the dark waiting for your friends to wake up

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having your lifespan double or triple means you'll outlive your friends and family

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your own children, probably

eager ibex
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Why doesn't the UNSC make their snipers all suppressed/silenced

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eager ibex
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Smae with the covie and beam rifles

orchid kettle
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and you can't enjoy a full sized chocolate cake because you'd get too full too fast

last anchor
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I dont think needing less food results in being less hungry.

eager ibex
last anchor
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They didnt mess with the chemical triggers for that, you can feel hungry when you arent actually. Thats how overeating happens

orchid kettle
eager ibex
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Yeah

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And?

orchid kettle
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but you cant really stop the fact that breaking the sound barrier makes a big crack

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orchid kettle
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that means for best results, you'll need subsonic ammo

last anchor
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Anti-Matieral.

eager ibex
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Oh right

Supersonic rounds

orchid kettle
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but then you know, if the bullet is travelling super slow in comparison to normal

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thats a big damage nerf

last anchor
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It fires a 14.5mm fin stabailized discarding sabot round

orchid kettle
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and you need all the oomph you can get for covenant armor and shielding

last anchor
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Bungie rammed tank ammo into a WWII ATR

eager ibex
last anchor
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My dude.

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Look at how big it is compaired to a Spartan. Hold on

orchid kettle
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to be fair it changes size depending on if a spartan or marine is holding it

eager ibex
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Yeah
It's like the size of a barret but bigger

orchid kettle
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like most weapons

eager ibex
orchid kettle
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Well, its so the weapon looks proportional

last anchor
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Infinities is 63.5 inches in length.
This thing is over 5 feet long

eager ibex
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Wait how big is a barret

last anchor
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56 inches at max with the longest barrel

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It also fires a smaller round (12.7 vs 14.5mm)

eager ibex
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Oh

last anchor
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The "sniper rifle" in Halo is an anti-material weapon utilized against infantry.
The only thing that stops it being a war crime is the advancement of Covenant armor.
Mind you, if the game were completely accurate, we'd have the M99 Stanchion...

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Which admittedly is smaller, firing a .22 round, but utilizing magnetic acceleration tech to fire it instead of gunpowder.

eager ibex
last anchor
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APFSDS technically

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Though thats just the standard

eager ibex
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Aight

last anchor
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The UNSC long ago incorperated tank ammunition styles into their ballistic weaponry.

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HEAP for exampe

eager ibex
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What about beam rifle

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Could that be suppressed in any way?

last anchor
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One does not simply suppress a beam of ionized gas

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For that matter the firing sound of it is actually rather quiet

eager ibex
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Fair enough

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Why did i think the beam rifle used anything else

last anchor
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Because people dont usually think about the operation of Covenant weaponry

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Theres no real world equivilent

eager ibex
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Fair enough

orchid kettle
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I always assumed that covenant weapons are pretty quiet compared to conventional firearms

eager ibex
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needler joke

eager ibex
orchid kettle
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but i guess plasma is still matter with some mass, so it going supersonic, if it does at all, would make a big crack

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I assume

eager ibex
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I guess

last anchor
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I doubt it goes supersonic

orchid kettle
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beam rifle tho

eager ibex
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Doesn't shoot plasma. Read

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Pls

orchid kettle
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the carbine too basically just is a normal gun

eager ibex
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N

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No

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No it isn't

orchid kettle
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it shoots bullet-shaped slugs from a magazine

eager ibex
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CMIIAW, It's basically a smaller beam rifle

eager ibex
last anchor
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Did you not play Halo 2?

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The giant revolver cylender looking thing it flings out when it reloads?

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Thats loaded with a radioactive isotope it fires like a giant shotgun slug basically

eager ibex
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That's...
That's the concussion rifle

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That's not...

last anchor
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Thats different, that fires plasma charges.

orchid kettle
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apparently the Halo 4 Essential Visual Guide confirms it as shooting radioactive slugs

last anchor
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It always shot radioactive slugs

eager ibex
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The carbine doesn't HAVE a revolver cylinder

last anchor
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Ever since H2, the guides commented on that.

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51mm radioactive isotopic projectiles.

orchid kettle
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Thats just what Halopedia lists as the only source for that

last anchor
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Not as you know it no, but it operates similarly.

eager ibex
last anchor
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Ammo carrage would probably work too

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The Red Bull can looking thing you shove in the top to reload

eager ibex
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Red bull????? Are you-

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You know what

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Nevermind

orchid kettle
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Its just a magazine

eager ibex
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Weird

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How do you fit those slugs into such a small mechanism???

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That doesn't make any sense

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That... 51mm... that's not even-

What????

last anchor
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Like I said, its the size of a red Bull can.

eager ibex
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Yeah

last anchor
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It only has to fit 16 of them in there.

eager ibex
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How many shots in a carbine mag-

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Wh

last anchor
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I get the very distinct feeling you have not done much Halopedia searching

eager ibex
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18 rounds

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Not 16

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8.7x60mm

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How the

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What

last anchor
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ALIEN TECHNOLOGY

eager ibex
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It would have to be way bigger

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Width of 66mm?

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Height ~180mm?

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Are you sure about those dimensions, mate?

eager ibex
eager ibex
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Those are some short rounds

last anchor
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When theyre made entirely of radioactive gel (or something, I forget exactly what it is now) they dont have to be long

unique rune
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Also worth remembering that a lot of these specs are just vaguely coherent technobabble that probably wasn't thought through much
See: the MA5B's 60-round magazine

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I know people have worked out ways to make it fit but it's really not very practically designed

eager ibex
eager ibex
last anchor
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A slug is just a large bullet without a proper casing. Shotgun slugs come out of a shell same as buckshot.

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In this case they come out of the ammo carrage and are fired wholesale. No case obviously.

eager ibex
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Uh... ok

icy yoke
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7.62x51

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Still going

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Realistic the magazine hold 30 rounds

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But a 60 round casket mag

fair hazel
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That’s cool

vital compass
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Wtf happend to the guradians and promethens

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Dont feel like doing homework to understand halo lore so a little summary is much appreciated

unique rune
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Some pockets are apparently still around in the galaxy but for the most part it’s “hey shut up Halo 5 isn’t real” on 343’s end with very little real explanation

vital compass
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You cant just brush off halo 5s ending like that💀

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Even tho the campaign was hated i still wanna see what happend after

unique rune
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Yeah there’s pretty much nothing substantial in that regard

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All we’ve got is like two lines from a Canon Fodder Q&A and the flashback(?)/memory bits in Infinite where Cortana appears

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Outcasts might have a bit more info when it finally releases

drowsy mesa
untold wasp
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How much is in a talon of banshees

tawny fox
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Those are probably the closest things to non directed energy conventional firearms

flat kernel
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The mauler also has a really low velocity, so it’s probably loud, but not really loud

radiant copper
unique rune
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I’m pretty sure there isn’t an answer for that

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Even if there was I’m sure it’d be yet another “it varies” type of thing depending on mission needs or even overseeing ministry

obtuse crow
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^

quartz locust
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Also how dose foruners fight humans if humans are forunners (halo 3 this is stated )

verbal pollen
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That was retconned lol
Humans are forerunners in spirit

verbal pollen
carmine sleet
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Additionally, contrary to what certain loud members of the community would like you to think, Bungie didn't definitely state Forerunners and humans were one and the same

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As they were also conflicted on whether or not to do that

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(And this doesn't even mention how there's some people who seem to think that the cut ending of Halo 2 somehow counts as confirmation that the Forerunners are human even though that ending was literally cut and not used in anything outside of some elements being used for the Earth portion of Halo 3)

orchid kettle
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Or perhaps, more accurately, forerunners were humans. Special humans who were taken by the Precursors eons ago and raised to great technological heights, far away from their home world.

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And thus, that bit in IRIS where forerunners find cavemen on Earth is them discovering their old home world, and their long lost brethren

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Of course this still contradicts Guilty Spark's "You ARE forerunner" line, as Forerunner is more like a specific human ethnicity, which Chief simply is not. It'd make as much sense as calling him Italian or whatever.

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And these contradictions largely exist because the terminal and campaign writing teams were mainly separate entities, beyond a few shared members

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And the terminals were actually planned to be cut, but Paul fought tooth and nail to keep them in

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Staten of course, also went and wrote Contact Harvest while on sabbatical, largely ignorant of whatever the terminal team was deciding. But the fact is, Contact Harvest exists, and was published after 3, and double downs on the idea that humans and Forerunners are one in the same.

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Like, assuming we're going by the rule of "latest media wins", Contact Harvest is probably the last word Bungie ever gave on the issue. Since ODST and Reach don't really have a whole lot to say one way or the other.

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Though personally I wonder how "ignorant" Staten really was of the terminal team's intentions, since the backstory he gave for the San 'Shyuun is remarkably similar to what Paul describes happened to Forerunners and Humans

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were one group left their home world forever, and achieved great technological feats

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leaving the rest of their race behind

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Im sure for naysayers, it's tempting to disregard Staten's book entirely, but you would do well to remember that Staten probably had to have his novel approved internally, before it was published. It existing is an endorsement from Bungie, at least on some level.

quartz locust
carmine sleet
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Guilty Spark was literally rampant in that moment and has mistaken Chief for the Didact before

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And like I said, Halo 4 confirms humans and Forerunners are different

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You can't exactly argue that they're one and the same when the explicit evidence confirms the contrary

quartz locust
quartz locust
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What do you think reclaimer means

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Someone who takes something back

carmine sleet
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Spark referenced a conversation that he never had with Chief in Combat Evolved

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A conversation we later found out was with the Didact

quartz locust
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That’s called 343 making up crap for their fanfict to be cannon lmao

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I mean didact wasent even a thought in halo ce

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So it’s kinda obvious what bungi Ment

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Humans = foruners

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There is more proof 2

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Why is the portal to the ark on earth aka one of the most important peices of tech

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Also 343 says are history when refrancing the data of human history in the maw

carmine sleet
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There's a difference between a retcon and expanding upon previously vague lore

quartz locust
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Nah it was clearly Ment to be humans as forruners

carmine sleet
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Again, Bungie was not all in agreement on that and had lore that said they weren't humans

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And regardless, it doesn't matter what Bungie originally planned since it is canon that they're not the same

quartz locust
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But no lore was Ment to be humans same as foruners but 343 wanted a exscuse to add goofy ah robots

carmine sleet
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Have you seen the Sentinels? I could also describe those as goofy robots

quartz locust
carmine sleet
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And humans and Forerunners being different isn't somehow the exact reason the Prometheans exist

carmine sleet
quartz locust
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Quote guilty spark : you are foruner however this is my ring or something like that

carmine sleet
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I've seen that cutscene many times, Spark ain't exactly sound of mind

quartz locust
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Personly I wouldn’t want someone to blow up the reason I exsist ether

carmine sleet
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Being smart does not mean you are sane, Spark was rampant, which is something most AI in Halo eventually has to deal with

quartz locust
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And that dosent make sence

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Wouldn’t cortana shut herself off if she knew she was rampet

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Like she liderly willingly was going to blow herself up if chief failed

carmine sleet
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Rampancy is literally something that came from previous Bungie titles that ended up becoming part of Halo lore, you can't claim it's only a Halo 5 thing when it's a concept older than Halo itself in regards to AI

quartz locust
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I mean even if 343 is rampet dosent mean he’s going to get basic facts wrong

carmine sleet
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There's sane people on the planet today who get basic facts wrong, it's not impossible for an insane lightbulb that's been alone for countless years to get facts wrong

quartz locust
gilded mason
carmine sleet
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Oh hey Ostral, long time no see!

gilded mason
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Yo

carmine sleet
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How's it going?

gilded mason
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Pretty good, you?

carmine sleet
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Busy, spoke about why last week in general

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Anyhow, thanks for finding that tweet, I have it saved somewhere but couldn't find iy

gilded mason
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No prob

boreal bane
unique rune
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I’m convinced that 90% of the people arguing about the “Forerunners are human” thing don’t even care, they’re just looking for something to be mad at 343 about

gilded mason
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Pretty likely

unique rune
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Part of Bungie established the change in Halo 3 and it’s what 343’s run with since

orchid kettle
gilded mason
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Yeah. That tracks with 343 lore

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Forerunner trilogy implies it, and Point of Light outright confirms it.

orchid kettle
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Yeah, though the idea that the original group of humans back on Earth did advance far enough to become rivals is a somewhat new addition

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Since now the thing about forerunners finding humans right before the rings were fired and being super surprised at how they're related to these random cavemen doesn't really make sense

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Like, we are more or less at the same spot

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It just feels needlessly convoluted

gilded mason
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I'd have rather not had humans being some rival superpower, myself, yeah.

orchid kettle
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my head canon is that the Forerunners being the most advanced group in the galaxy was the Precursor testing them

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marrying what Paul thinks about humans being lifted up by Precursors

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Its just in his theory, he doesn't provide a motivation for the precursors to do so

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Though I guess with this mind, the idea that humans would have been tested by the Precursors next is just plain wrong. Since if Forerunners are just humans chosen by the Precursors for the test, then humanity already failed

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Perhaps the Endless are the actual chosen ones thinkingchief

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i say purely because of that "You are NOT the future," line from the Harbinger

orchid kettle
abstract wren
last anchor
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Another blade in their arsenal of back stabbing basically

abstract wren
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Retcon about Rosanda incoming

quartz locust
abstract wren
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whut ?

last anchor
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Cetaceans?

quaint narwhal
carmine sleet
unique rune
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Even if he wasn't rampant, it was also Bungie staff also wrote about the two being separate. It literally shouldn't even be a debate at this point.

carmine sleet
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Indeed

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And what the canon says is very much definitive

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Kinda hard to argue against the evidence in front of us when we literally have a living Forerunner

orchid kettle
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Like, Spark isnt real, he says whatever the writer wants him to

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And that scene is obviously constructed as if its an important reveal

carmine sleet
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I know these are fictional characters, you did not need to explain that to me

orchid kettle
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I mean, I do if the excuse is "they're crazy!"

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Like, sure, that's the in-universe excuse in the current context

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that everybody in Halo 3 is crazy, lying, or just plain wrong

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or being so flowery in their prose that it borders on falsehood

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Surely we can all agree that if you have to think that about Halo 3, that none of the characters are ever saying anything meaningful, then Halo 3 is worse off as a story

carmine sleet
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By your logic I could argue that everyone in Halo is crazy

orchid kettle
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I mean, many people do

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Since every antag in Halo 3 is teasing the idea that humans and forerunners are the same species.

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Truth got this info from Mendicant Bias, as seen in Contact Harvest, which was the underlying reason for the Covenant war.

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And people will claim that MB is crazy

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Despite the terminals also coming from MB

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Maybe a different fragment of MB, though who knows if the fragment aboard the Dreadnought communicated with the one on the Ark

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or if MB on the Ark just is the same entity entirely as the one who told Truth

last anchor
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This is the scene after Spark lasers Johnson right

orchid kettle
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yeah

last anchor
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And then tried to kill Chief?

orchid kettle
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He gets real angeri that we're gonna blow up his halo thing again

last anchor
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Oh yeah. I’m not trusting ANYTHING he says at that point

orchid kettle
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I mean, he's not rambling about random stuff that's clearly untrue

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He stays hooked on the whole "you are forerunner" thing

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and you can't even really say that he's again mistaking you for the Didact

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since he says stuff like "Think about your inheritance!", "Your legacy!"

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probably dropped a "forefathers!" too

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which again, doesn't make sense if he thinks he's talking to the Didact again

terse lava
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funny to think, why Spark didn't just teleport them out of the control room, or propose a different method

orchid kettle
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because chief has to win

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i dunno, maybe he doesn't have access to the NEW ring's teleporting grid

terse lava
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he had access enough to the control room itself. The most important place on the ring. Seems he had his old authority back

orchid kettle
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As for why he gets angry

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i always saw it as him just acting as the Ring's protector

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Just you know, even when doing so is at odds with actually stopping the flood

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a big reason he chills out in 2 is because the ring is gone anyway, so I guess that "law" in his programming is just inactive

terse lava
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Yeah his programming clearly took over. The Halo's safety over-ruled helping Chief and co. yet his duty to contain the flood....meh?

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Again one would think defeat of the Flood would at worst, be his second prime concern

orchid kettle
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yeah he mentions in 3 when he meets Chief at first

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"I finally see that NOW my role is to help you, Reclaimer! As I always should have!"

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I also always thought that in CE, since the Didact isnt actually a character yet, Guilty Spark was just legitimately confused why humanity didn't know about the Ring already

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like from his perspective, his creators finally came back

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and he thinks its business as usual now

terse lava
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Yeah, as shown with the "last time you asked me" statement

orchid kettle
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He even says something to the effect of: "My makers created this ring to stop the flood. I am glad to see that some lived long enough to reproduce."

terse lava
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He clearly expected Chief to already know most things

orchid kettle
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if you know about halo 2's cut ending as well

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there's that idea that the Ark, when it was the structure beneath Voi, was actively transmitting data to the humanrace

terse lava
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Funny enough now that I consider it, I wonder if Spark would have actually been capable of crafting a class-12 combat suit for the chief

orchid kettle
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and that was apparently how we knew about "the flood", and how lifeforms had to gather on an Ark

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So, assuming this idea was around during CE, which granted it probably wasn't

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the plan for the Forerunners may have included making sure all their knowledge got carried over after they reseeded themselves

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but for whatever reason, it didn't

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explaining Spark's confusion. He's the one who's concerned that Chief's got brain issues, not the other way around

orchid kettle
red wren
orchid kettle
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Well to be fair, you could probably hand wave that away as like "Oh, ANY history would be record of his lost time, he's been alone for a 100,000 years"

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but yeah, considering CE was originally meant to be a one hit wonder

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I think you are supposed to think

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"oh hey, the ancient aliens are actually us. Haha cool"

red wren
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There is that, but (i forget who) but one of the developer’s pointed it out in a dev playthrough at some point

orchid kettle
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Even if you believe that Spark was mistaking Chief for an individual Forerunner of the past

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that itself would probably be a hint, implying that Chief in his supersuit looks like a Forerunner to Spark

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unless you know, he does the same thing to any random tree he floats by

red wren
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that’s quite the interesting thought
Good chance this isn’t the case but like, spark might not see like humans do
Like maybe he just sees data and stuff, and Chief directly came up as forerunner

orchid kettle
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Yeah, maybe. I guess we have been shown that AIs in Halo will augment their "vision" with like other sensors to get a complete picture of things, since theyre just 1s and 0s

obsidian thistle
patent quartz
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Was noble team ever recreated?

obsidian thistle
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If a Noble Team was created later. We dont know

orchid kettle
radiant copper
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But then again, he did help train spartan 4s, so he may have been to busy with that to make a new noble team

last anchor
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Hes been training S-IVs basically since the end of the war in '52.
Hes a suit man now.
The presumed "sequel team" to Noble would presumably be Fireteam Osiris interestingly enough.

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Though most S-IV fireteams could fit the bill as well considering S-IVs serve alongside all branches now

obtuse edge
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Anyone know if there is any actual confirmation that ancient humans where physically superior before their de-evolution? I saw a post stating that they where 10ft tall and naturally stronger than Spartans but I can't seem to find where he got that information from.

obtuse crow
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And idk about the 10Ft part.

tawny fox
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Maybe they were comparable to Seran humans from Gears of War who seem to be bigger than Earth humans.

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Most at least

last anchor
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Beefy

tawny fox
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Swol af

orchid kettle
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which implies that IIs are the closest thing to Ancient Humans genetically

obtuse edge
orchid kettle
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i guess in people's minds, the Lord of Admirals guy is a badass on par with the Didact

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and thus must be a similar size?

boreal bane
boreal bane
obsidian thistle
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New lore! 😄

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Some deep cuts also

carmine sleet
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Love that Rosenda lived until after the war

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I do have to wonder what she's been up to since

versed helm
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Boo audio books, yay actual books.

carmine sleet
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Audio books are just as important as physical books

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Some people have difficulty reading so audio books are real helpful for them

verbal pollen
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Theyre also a different medium
There's a lot more you can do with audio books, like voice acting and characterization, but in order to do that you're taking a bit of control away from the reader and how they engage with the piece. Ones not universally better than the other

orchid kettle
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Audiobooks are nice if you're like me and have a lot more time sitting in silence than you do free time to actually crack open a book and read.

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I spend all day working on a computer, and then I spend two hours driving to and from work

last anchor
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Id be surprised if we dont get another Canon Fodder with the story itself later.
Like what happened with the Shadow op

heavy loom
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And it just feels more natural

pale zenith
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Also rubicon

obsidian thistle
versed helm
last anchor
obsidian thistle
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https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/halo-winter-contention

Halo: Winter Contention

December 2551. Though the Covenant invasion of Concord has seen a rare UNSC victory, the Spartans of Noble Team find themselves stranded in a remote hinterland town. Though the Covenant’s orbital presence has been neutralized, the remaining alien survivors have regrouped and prepare to make a devastating final stand.
With dwindling time and no ...

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And just so no one is left guessing. The images are indeed Concord! (Filenames rock yo)

last anchor
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This is the same battle of Concord they mentioned in the Venator armor I bet

unique rune
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Interesting that this confirms that Stridents were in service at least as early as ‘51.

last anchor
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You know the depiction of the win on Concord reminds me of my fanon victory at Pacifica.
Guess that means I guessed what would be needed for a UNSC victory right

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And the Bulldogs old too!

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Oh

tropic forge
fair hazel
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I’m glad rosenda was replaced

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That way Emile died and she lived

last anchor
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Emile got what he wanted and the UNSC gets a more flexible III to call on latter

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I’m not sure Emile would be the best trainer for the IVs

unique rune
fair hazel
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It was nice to listen to this morning. I like this new halo story thing

tidal brook
fair hazel
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I’m glad he’s dead and not rose

unique rune
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I felt nothing towards Emile dying

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most of Noble for that matter

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The campaign did very little to endear me to any of them except for Jorge

fair hazel
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The books are what made me like jun

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Makes me hope we’ll get these as formats often

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especially tied to events

patent quartz
golden pulsar
pale zenith
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And she looks jus like the 2010 concept rose

unique rune
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He didn't join their roster until after A344 was reassigned

final citrus
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i need to rewatch the 3 hour long lore recap on youtube, brb

radiant copper
unique rune
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Considering they only started about an hour prior...

golden pulsar
fossil eagle
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Something cool that we learn from Winter Contention is that Noble Team, when not engaged in an especially dire conflict like the invasion of Reach, are remarkably quippy and casual when conducting themselves to each other.

worn nacelle
#

can you guys explain the lore more to me

gilded mason
#

There's a lot, got anything specific you wanna know?

worn nacelle
#

like master chiefs back story

radiant copper
worn nacelle
#

thx

radiant copper
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I expected you to want more details

worn nacelle
#

Na

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me and my dad have been playing halo 8years now

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i just needed to jog my memory

deep citrus
#

I'm curious. Did the lore ever touch on how the Banished survived the Flood? After Halo Wars 2 and even before it during the Human Covenant war

high fox
#

Well the ark defense systems did push back the flood and how the banished survived them in the covenant war I’d assume the same way the elites did by not enough of them dying or even coming into contact with the flood or anything else hostile

carmine sleet
#

Halo Wars 2 Awakening the Nightmare is when the Banished first fought the Flood

fossil eagle
# worn nacelle like master chiefs back story

Every child across the UNSC's empire of several hundred planets had their genetic profiles recorded for the secretive Spartan-II program, masterminded by Dr Catherine Halsey and supported by the Office of Naval Intelligence, to produce biologically-enhanced super soldiers that would crush uprisings throughout human-controlled space with the objective of preventing humanity's vast network of colonies from destabilising.

John-117, better known as the Master Chief, was one of 150 six-year old candidates selected for the Spartan-II program for their promising genetic test results. Budget cuts reduced the final number down to 75, and once they had all turned fourteen years old, only approximately 33 of those candidates would succeed in their augmentation procedures and become fully realised Mjolnir-wearing Spartan-II super soldiers. These successful candidates include past and present members of Blue Team and John's closest friends: Kelly-087, Fred-104, Linda-058, Kurt-051 (deceased), Sam-034 (deceased), and many more.

At around the same time that the Spartans had received their augmentations and began training in the use of the Mjolnir powered armour, humanity had made first contact with the Covenant, and the devastating Human-Covenant War began. Although not originally created to fight against a genocidal alien empire, the Spartan-IIs proved to be of incredible strategic value throughout the beginning of the conflict, enough so that a successor program (Spartan-III) to train around 900 new child super soldiers was greenlit, and an eventual Spartan-IV program with adult candidates would begin development even later.

Over the 30 years of war since first contact with the Covenant on the colony world of Harvest, numerous Spartan-IIs would be killed in action, and almost all Spartan-III super soldiers would die in unfortunate mass-deployments to Covenant installations to cripple their war fleets and support infrastructure.

...That was a pretty scattered recollection of events, but all the details are there. If you're interested in learning more, John-117, Blue Team, and the rest of the Spartan-IIs' actions in the Human-Covenant War are detailed in books such as Silent Storm, Oblivion, The Fall of Reach, First Strike, Ghosts of Onyx, Last Light, Shadows of Reach, and others.

balmy gulch
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How big was the UNSC during its prime

fossil eagle
# balmy gulch How big was the UNSC during its prime

More than 800 worlds, which I think refers to both planets and moons that have been seen some level of inhabitation. The level of development on each of these worlds ranges from remote outposts to industrial powerhouses with tens or hundreds of millions of citizens.

abstract wren
worn nacelle
#

did master chief knew about ateox before halo infinite

orchid kettle
#

Yeah, Chief has ran into the Banished before

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and considering the Banished cant stop gushing about their leader, he probably has

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You'd think in general he stays up to date on big alien warlords

worn nacelle
#

fair

abstract wren
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He totally knew as he was there when Atriox got back to the Milky Way

gilded mason
orchid kettle
#

less than 800 colonies

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but more than 17

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thats our range, gentlemen

obtuse crow
#

yes.

brazen cargo
#

Noble 6 alive in a cave on reach?

radiant copper
unique rune
#

ew

dense falcon
#

@fringe robin

fringe robin
fossil eagle
unique rune
#

In a sense, yes. The 800 figure has been recontextualized because it was long considered just sorta... weird sounding.

final citrus
brazen cargo
golden pulsar
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I almost fell for it but I saw him die

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Wait

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But I die before him

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I've said to much

fair hazel
#

BAsically the UNSC has 800 locations

queen nexus
#

So

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Spartan 3s are all orphans

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And most died because they didn’t preform well

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Right?

last anchor
#

Mostly to the first. Not so to the last.
They died because they were sent on missions that had to be done, but had almost no chance of succeeding if standard UNSC forces were sent.
But they were acknowlaged to be too risky for the S-IIs, and requiring more punch than even all of them combined could muster.
There were, after all, only about 30 or 40 S-IIs across the entire UNSC at this point. The targets the S-IIIs were sent against required hundreds of supersoldiers to crack.
And crack them they did.
More would have survived if luck had been on their side in honesty. The fact Tom and Lucy survived at all indicates supreme skill

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In a straight up fight, an S-III (even without their armor) is going to turn a human inside out and make them wish they were dead already...then kill them.

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And GOD HELP YOU if you're facing a Gamma because you can shoot them all you want too; the moment your gun runs dry, they're taking that weapon and shoving it into your chest.

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The cocktail of drugs they're on makes them incredibly hard to kill even under massive stress.

queen nexus
#

Another thing

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Johnson and the Spartan 1s were testbeds for the Orion armor, but very very little is known about them

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Because they’re all hopped up on pain killers and meds

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Because their very life is pain?

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What’s a gamma, anyway?

unique rune
#

Project MELAENO existed to support ORION, not the other way around. The armor itself never reached full production and only certain components were ever even field tested by ORION operatives.

near tide
unique rune
#

Not much is known about ORION personnel because it's hardly relevant to anything in the current timeframe of the Halo universe

near tide
#

But it also made them very strong

visual lantern
#

Who is your favorite Forerunner character?

humble yacht
#

mendicant bias

obsidian thistle
#

I love that he managed to get in contact with humanity in 2007. But the only people he talked to were conspiracy nuts who doubted it was real.

carmine sleet
#

The irony

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If only they knew

obsidian thistle
#

Honestly its legit the best way to write out Iris's 2007 events having any real impact. XD

#

If you cant convince the conspiracy people. No one will believe it

carmine sleet
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Indeed

versed helm
#

What are some of the better lore books? Only read ghosts of onyx years ago if anybody wants to give some suggestions I’d appreciate it

abstract wren
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FIrst 3 to have the basics then almost all of them are good

versed helm
scarlet hinge
versed helm
scarlet hinge
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etc

carmine sleet
#

The Grey Team novels are my recommendations, love those three Spartan IIs

versed helm
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I usually don’t read fiction. So anything really halo lol

scarlet hinge
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the books cover a lot of different kinds of things

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ah

versed helm
#

What did you like?

versed helm
scarlet hinge
#

the first few (The Fall of Reach, the Flood, First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx) are probably the best entry point, as they built most of the foundations for the expanded universe and naturally, introduce concepts to you much easier

#

my personal favourite though is Contact Harvest (penned by Joseph Staten, the lead writer on Halo 2). It deals with Sergeant Johnson and the Insurrection, first contact with the Covenant and how the three Prophets (and Tartarus) rose to power

it has nothing to do with Spartans though, if you like that sort of thing more

carmine sleet
versed helm
versed helm
scarlet hinge
#

Silent Storm is another one I'd strongly recommend (particularly after reading the Fall of Reach and Contact Harvest). It covers one of Master Chief's earliest missions in the war alongside Sergeant Johnson as well as a lot of Covenant perspective

scarlet hinge
#

and Last Light/Retribution by Troy Denning further continue the story of the Spartan IIIs after that

versed helm
#

Based I’ll have to look into that I appreciate your responses

scarlet hinge
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no worries

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there's also a couple of books about Buck and his squad from ODST called New Blood and Bad Blood

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New Blood is all about Buck's experiences from enlistment in the Marines to him becoming a Spartan, and Bad Blood is a sequel focused on the squad's actions after Halo 5

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I'd also be remiss not to strongly recommend the Halo Evolutions compilations. It's a compendium of short stories by different authors each one focusing on a different aspect of the Halo universe

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they're all really wonderful, and their short and sweet nature means they're pretty accessible especially if you don't read too much

orchid kettle
#

Funny, I was just listening to the New Blood audiobook

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||I still wonder what the point was of Buck and Romeo failing to save the delegates. If the writer wanted them dead regardless to free up Romeo, you'd think you could just get away with saying "oh they got killed before Buck got here anyway"||

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||Because as is, we're subjected to an extended action scene that kinda doesn't mean anything for the plot, as our characters fail to save this new group of people we could have learned about.||

wispy prawn
orchid kettle
#

I dunno if they did, given that its not like the plot of the rest of the book is about the Grunts

wispy prawn
heady geyser
#

Thoughts on halo: winter contention

dense falcon
#

It also shows off Romeo's good side. Dare just wanted to pick up Romeo and go get her next target, Romes begged her and Buck to also save some people first.

wispy prawn
#

true man i need to re read bad blood

versed helm
#

Aight guys someone teach me lore

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From the very beginning

dense falcon
#

At the dawn of the universe, there was nothing. Then... BOOM!

versed helm
#

Oh amazungggg

hazy shadow
#

John Halo was just a lucky boy. Then he was kidnapped and turned into the chad Master Chef. He did a Halo, then he did several more Halos. And now here we are.

last anchor
#

Halopedia is your best bet here

versed helm
#

😂

versed helm
last anchor
#

No he’s John Halo

versed helm
#

Quit pulling my leg

unique rune
#

Jimmy Rings

queen nexus
#

So

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Noble 6 was a Spartan 3 and worked as an ONI headhunter, yes?

#

Was he an S-III gamma? Or just an average Joe

wispy prawn
unique rune
#

The Noble Six we see in Reach was B312. S-III Beta Company

queen nexus
#

I was indeed referencing Noble 6, the playable character. Not the character whom died before B-313

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B-312*

queen nexus
#

Another question, Rookie, from ODST, was he just some guy or did he have a pretty flushed out story like Noble 6?

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I like the idea of the Rookie saying “Screw this, I’m not dying.” And survived an onslaught of covenant bombarding mombassa just to die at the hands of some insurrectionist a bit later

unique rune
#

There's some backstory for the Rookie but it's... kind of in a strange spot. There's a short story in the Evolutions anthology books called "Dirt", told from the perspective an ODST that's supposed to be the Rookie. It doesn't have any canonical issues, just fits together a little weirdly with his depiction in the game.

queen nexus
#

Hmm alright

queen nexus
#

Halo 5 diving suits

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This or Oceanic armor

fringe robin
#

that suit shows up in the Fathom map IIRC

queen nexus
#

I’ve never seen this Fathom map and idk what IIRC is

fringe robin
#

if I recall correctly

#

fathom is an underwater Halo 5 map

queen nexus
#

I don’t have Halo 5 but

fringe robin
queen nexus
#

I appreciate the idea of having a designated Diving suit for non spartan personnel

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Also, you cannot lie to me

#

This suit looks dope, and perhaps better than the oceanic armor

fringe robin
queen nexus
#

That

latent junco
# queen nexus I don’t have Halo 5 but

I don't either, however a channel you might like, if you haven't heard of him already, is Installation00 on YT, he does a lot of videos on all the systems in, and variants of, MJOLNIR armor, and it's all quite interesting

queen nexus
#

Is a very very large suit

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I wonder which is taller

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The suit or a Hunter

#

Are there Hunters in Halo 5?

fringe robin
#

yes

queen nexus
#

I am a big fan of hunters

fringe robin
#

Multiple spartans also performed operations on the sea floor on earth so their suits must be rated for it

queen nexus
#

At least

fringe robin
#

Fed, Linda and Will performed the operaton

queen nexus
#

Short term operations

fringe robin
#

idk, they were fighting covenant down there

queen nexus
#

So nows the question

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Oceanic, EVA (because funny bulb helm) or Diving suit

fringe robin
#

I like Oceanic best out of the 3

latent junco
queen nexus
#

But there’s about average Earth pressure in a pelican

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And none in space

latent junco
#

Yeah

queen nexus
#

This is like taking average earth, and multiplying it by a lot

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A lot a lot

#

Imagine you’re being crushed by a semi truck

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From all angles

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Everywhere

fringe robin
#

pass lol

queen nexus
#

Completely

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That’s the bottom of the sea

latent junco
#

I'll have to see if I can find a video I was looking at a while ago on the systems of, I think, MJOLNIR gen 3, bc I know it mentions some stuff about the pressure change stuff

queen nexus
#

Just entertain the idea of ocean physics

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And crushing depths

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Cuz that stuff will turn a person into paste

#

I am gonna entertain the idea of Spartans but for underwater operations

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Like the Grunt Heavies are almost prepared, they have enclosed helmets, but they need enclosed arms n legs

#

The sangheili rangers are on their way

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Hunters are… something

#

Jackals are also pretty close

last anchor
queen nexus
#

Perhaps

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But is it hard enough to bear the weight of about 10,000,000x10^10^10^10 repeating particles of H2O all being contained by gravity?

last anchor
#

Doubt it

queen nexus
#

The sort of deep sea operations Im referring to, is like Pitch black depths. Where life is nearly barren, corpses of dead animals lie at rest, skeletons abundant, wrecked ships lie for the rest of eternity, and where the only creatures that live are those who produce their own light

orchid kettle
orchid kettle
#

was it ever explained who the man interviewing Halsey in Halo 4 was

gilded mason
#

Me

orchid kettle
#

I guess its supposed to be some guy working for the Spartan-IV program

#

just trying to gain insight on what makes Chief effective-- while also being combative for some reason

orchid kettle
#

Is there any rhyme or reason why sometimes ODST units are called something like "Alpha-Nine", "Sunray 1-1", or "Fireteam Raven"

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or is it just a case of various writers deciding for themselves what a team/squad is called independent of each other, and we all just kinda have to live with it

unique rune
#

I would imagine it’s probably the latter

But because I do have the ‘22 encyclopedia in front of me right now I figure I’ll give it a look

orchid kettle
#

I guess this is what we get when we go like a decade without an ODST team/squad ever having a name, and then all at once, writers start trying to kick start their own naming convention

unique rune
#

Yeah the encyclopedia has nothing meaningful on organization names

orchid kettle
#

Fireteam Raven is also weird, because it kinda ends up implying that the Spartan Branch naming convention of "Fireteam [Insert Random Word]" was actually inherited from the ODSTs

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I mean we've obviously had marine fireteams called Charlie and Zulu, but those are like NATO alphabet type deals

#

I guess what makes sense is that ODST teams either operate the way Spartan teams do now, where they're this independent unit of 4-5 dudes that get tossed around wherever the UNSC needs them

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and if you're 4 guys, you're Fireteam Something. 5 or more, you're phonetic alphabet letter + number. But if you're part of a more traditional platoon or company or whatever, then you get to be Sunray 1-1, with emphasis on being first squad of first platoon

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which i guess could work with how intertwined the ODSTs are with Spartan history, or vice versa

obsidian thistle
#

Might depend how the team was formed. A-9 for example isnt the only Alpha team.

https://www.halopedia.org/Alpha-Five

Halopedia
Alpha-Five

Alpha-Five was an ODST combat team that participated in the Battle of Mombasa in an attempt to retrieve the Conduit from the Covenant. Following the Solemn Penance's slipspace jump inside the city the entire squad was presumed dead.

scarlet quiver
#

Yeaaaa boi. I need more hell jumper lore in my life.

obsidian thistle
#

Might also depend on the teams role.

#

(May also be a legacy name which Alpha-Nine seems to be when they became S-IVs)

carmine sleet
orchid kettle
#

there can always be more

#

for one thing, the odst armor itself doesn't really have its own name like MJOLNIR or SPI

#

we just call it "odst armor"

#

and Bad Blood tells us that apparently, some odst suits had exoskeletons

#

there's also been this discrepancy with the idea that ODSTs are veterans of other spec op units

#

and the fact that we don't really ever hear about this from any actual ODST character

#

My head canon is that, since recruitment rates in general were awful back during the Insurrection, standards for being trained as an ODST fell and fell, until you get to the modern day where you get people like Mickey

fair hazel
#

Mickey was a good odst though?

orchid kettle
#

It's just that we know for certain that he's only been in the military for four years, was a Pelican pilot, and has known Insurrectionist ties

#

So it doesn't seem like the idea that you had to be navy seal before you got to be a super space navy seal was true

#

Gage is probably the more obvious example, where he wasn't even in the UNSC before signing up to be an ODST, but rather was in the CMA

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which was largely underfunded and undervalued

#

and that was right before the Covenant war began

versed helm
#

Is this possible?

#

Hunters with jetpacks

#

Can the power of jetpacks even carry 50 tons of hunter armor

unique rune
#

Covenant anti-grav tech could probably make it happen

#

Human-made jetpacks like the S8 and S12 realistically don’t make any sense but given that they can grant brief flight to B312’s half-ton fully armored ass…

Hunters are about 2.5 tons fully armored…

I’m sure they could send a Hunter flying if you bolted like ten or fifteen of them on.

cobalt quiver
#

Is there a reason why the great schism was ignited when the cov was close to victory plus the flood?

obtuse crow
cobalt quiver
#

No like, why do it so soon

versed helm
#

A bunch of elites were lied to and likely wanted revenge

hot basin
#

Rip noble team leader 😭

#

And Jorge

#

I hate this game now

#

Everybody died

versed helm
#

I’m ok with Kat dead

#

It’s a real shame Jun died

last anchor
hot basin
#

He flew into the robot spider

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😭

#

Now he’s dead dead

#

Noooo

viscid swift
#

Yea halo reach was amazing

#

Rip everyone though XD

boreal bane
#

Jun survived

viscid swift
#

I forgor

#

I thought he survived

#

But idk what happened to him

versed helm
viscid swift
#

Oh lol

boreal bane
#

Please remember to turn off the ping/tag before replying. Thanks :)

quiet bane
#

What are the Endless?

#

Why are they the Endless?

#

Questions that I hope we get an answer to in the next Halo

unique rune
#

everyone asks "what are the Endless" but no one asks "how are the Endless"

quiet bane
#

Dang you right

#

😔

humble yacht
#

"how are the Endless"
on parole postums

pale zenith
#

I will go insane

#

While not perfect, infinite is a decent start

unique rune
#

If only it wasn't 343's third start

quiet bane
#

Yep

#

I'm happy with where we are at. Hopefully they build on Infinite

icy yoke
#

Jet packs rule

#

Here's kicker. Fighter vehicles powered by fusion drives

#

Says how they dsispose of the neutron radiation

#

Heavy shielding

fossil eagle
#

The San'Shyuum are waiting in the wings. They'll be back, and once they are, they'll make a suit from our freshly peeled skin. They'll shave our livers. They'll squeeze the jelly from our eyes.

high fox
#

What do you guys think would happen if Microsoft sent some activision employees to reinforce 343

fossil eagle
#

Brian aneurysm.

calm dome
carmine sleet
boreal bane
pale zenith
#

have it be truly different from spartan pov

#

Player Movement, health, scaling of models etc.

orchid kettle
#

Is there any benefit to IVs being made super tall

#

When you could presumably have them be like some IIIs, who can pass for regular people out of armor

unique rune
#

Maybe something like muscle leverage? I could see the elongated bone structure being useful for improving muscular efficiency with the mechanical advantage lever stuff they're all involved with.

orchid kettle
#

I kinda assume that in Halo, the superstrength serum is just magic anyway. Considering you can have Gammas pass as normal people, but remain strong enough to tussle with aliens and bend rifle barrels

high fox
#

I think it would be to be able to take on enemies like brutes who are far taller than the average human more easily

unique rune
orchid kettle
#

I ask because it sure seems like out of all the augmentations that would be age-gated to kidnapped children

#

It'd be the procedure that makes them undergo an accelerated super puberty

#

like, thats the idea. They're gonna grow anyway, so they supercharge that growth, and thats how you get giants

#

But making an adult taller involves like breaking their limbs in specific places and slowly letting it heal

#

as you stretch it out bit by bit

#

since an adult skeleton ossifies or whatever, and stops growing like a child's does

#

meanwhile it sure seems like sitting an adult down, and giving them the three serums that the Alpha and Beta spartans got is not only safer, shorter, but also cheaper

#

and far less complicated

#

as well as the fact that now you have operatives who can easily go undercover

#

as they wouldn't be seven feet tall or covered in surgical scars

fossil eagle
near tide
#

Although longer reach isn’t that useful as a gun user

#

Oh wait

#

I’m dumb

#

Maybe mjolnir can’t be downsized

#

So they need to be huge to wear the armor

fossil eagle
unique rune
#

MJOLNIR is specifically fitted to each user
Scaling it down to fit wouldn’t be a problem at all

orchid kettle
#

especially when GEN2 is mainly a wetsuit you slap some metal bits over

golden pulsar
#

This all begs the question tho

#

How often do they get their hair cut

#

Was it only growing fast after the surgery

#

Or does it continue to grow fast

unique rune
#

Muscles grow, so limbs grow
I mean
not really

in the case of S-II and S-III, sure, since they were basically riding off the effects of puberty with their augmentations

but in the case of S-IV, they’re dealing with basically fully developed adult bodies

#

muscle growth doesn’t cause skeletal growth, otherwise bodybuilders would be the tallest people on Earth

golden pulsar
#

Ya that makes sense

#

If I'm remembering correctly
Halsey said that the skeleton will grow with the mutations

#

Right

#

?

unique rune
#

Only because S-II candidates were still growing and developing children

golden pulsar
#

Ok
Ya

unique rune
#

By the time you’re an adult, your bones have stopped growing. No more cartilage in the epiphyseal growth plates, just ossified bone.

golden pulsar
#

Yup

#

But what about hair

heady geyser
#

How does the augmentations work for a Spartan IV knowing they’re fully grown adults

unique rune
#

A lot of surgeries

#

Lots of organ replacements

heady geyser
#

Damn

gilded mason
unique rune
#

Do you prefer to eat your Spartans peeled or unpeeled?

gilded mason
#

Depends on the preparation

golden pulsar
#

I like them steamed and cut with an energy blade

spring fjord
#

Bro what????

#

Yoo emile #relatable

eager ibex
#

Is there an in-universe explanation for why the scout helmet changed so much from Reach to H3-onwards

orchid kettle
#

you could probably assume that it underwent a design change after Reach, since its a prequel

#

and they settled on its halo 3/gen 2 design

eager ibex
#

Fair

#

Why was it renamed "Celox" in infinte though
Was it solely to avoid confusion orrr?

scarlet hinge
#

when doing Halo 5, they had multiple helmets all called EVA (and so forth) due to the Noble team and GEN1 versions of stuff

#

for Infinite, they renamed everything from GEN2->GEN3 to avoid confusion again

#

it caused a lot of issues internally, not just for players

eager ibex
#

Oh ok

#

That explains "Zvezda"

scarlet hinge
#

that one's an original design

eager ibex
#

Oh i thought it was the new EVA

scarlet hinge
scarlet hinge
#

H5 had EVA GEN1+2, Wrath, Buccaneer and Orbital just off the top of my head

eager ibex
#

Ah

scarlet hinge
#

H3MCC has Mirage and EVA, too

eager ibex
#

Fair

#

Mirage is a nice helmet

#

Is it canon?

scarlet hinge
#

the SPI core is gonna have a few bubble-style helmets due to how many slightly differing SPIs there are

eager ibex
#

Yea i saw

scarlet hinge
#

it's the bridge between the SPI and Mjolnir programs

eager ibex
#

Gud

#

Ah

scarlet hinge
eager ibex
#

Oki

last anchor
#

If the helmet looks different, its a different helmet.
The UNSC made a LOT of helmet variations.
As any good military does.

#

MODULAR COMPONENT SYSTEMS SON

unique rune
#

I will eat soup out of the SPI helmet

obsidian thistle
versed helm
#

did the rings create some sort of time travel?

last anchor
#

Non

versed helm
#

how was the universe seeded with life if all life was destroyed

obtuse crow
#

The ark.

#

Installation 00 or the lesser ark.

#

Aka the birth place of the smaller halos we see in game.

#

It doubled as a sanctuary for life forms as well.

#

That’s how life was seeded.

versed helm
#

so the destruction of the ark meant that the life forms there died too which means no longer seeding the universe, so if something like the flood take over again we're f'd

obtuse crow
#

The lesser ark wasn’t destroyed- it was damaged really badly but wasn’t destroyed.

fossil eagle
#

The Ark wasn't destroyed. If the flood were to invade the galaxy in force once more then nobody would be able to stop them, and if some organisation were to activate the array again and attempt to reseed the galaxy, their means to do so would be greatly diminished compared to when the Forerunners did it, and they would most likely fail.

versed helm
fossil eagle
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The ring blew apart and damaged the surface of the Ark, but the sentinels restored the damaged Ark facilities over time.

versed helm
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oh ok

fossil eagle
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The flood-infested wreckage of High Charity is also chilling there, kept from spreading by the Ark's various containment measures. Still not great to have a ticking time bomb like that around though.

versed helm
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yea the way the story worked is once the ark was either destroyed or damaged that meant no further halos could be activated

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still to loose the covenants truce with humans really was sad to see in halo 4, I figured the covvies and hummys would work together to stop the didact

versed helm
fossil eagle
# versed helm still to loose the covenants truce with humans really was sad to see in halo 4, ...

Damaging the Ark doesn't mean the Halo Array can't be activated, and the Covenant never had a truce with humanity. The Covenant shattered into dozens, perhaps hundreds of minor factions following the Great Schism and the fall of High Charity, so there really is no true Covenant left. Jul 'Mdama fled Sanghelios after failing a coup and being crushed in the ensuing civil war, then went on to form the Storm Covenant with his fellow insurrectionists and some Covenant fragment cells who still worshipped the Forerunners.

versed helm
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the ark of the covenant

fossil eagle
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Bungo really beats us over the head with the biblical names and parallels.

slim thorn
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I'm more surprised if Atriox remains uninfected since he grapple one of the Infector Pods and squish it bare-handed, although his hands were armored.

fossil eagle
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I thought that spores can only infect if they enter through an orifice or open wound.

slim thorn
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Not exactly. Rtas 'Vadum already said that line in Halo 3.

fossil eagle
slim thorn
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Most sections was scoured

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The Banished got their codes to Anodyne Spirit thanks to their efforts in cleansing the High Charity from the Flood

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Voridus blunder leads to breakout of the Flood, but also gives the Banished's new opportunity. Seizing the crystal flake means Atriox can travel to Reach.

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But that would means that SoF have to take another crystal if they want to escape The Ark. The bad things for them is they don't have FTL drive.

fossil eagle
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If the Ark can open up portals to send the rings off to their destination, then I'm sure they can work something out if given enough time.

slim thorn
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No they can't

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The expert is gone

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Anders was stranded inside Installation 09

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SoF's only expert for Forerunner tech

fossil eagle
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Eh I'm sure Isabel can do something about it.

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Good ol Issy.

slim thorn
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No she can't

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She's logistics AI as the basic

fossil eagle
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Slip her some mentats and she'll get the ball rolling.

slim thorn
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lol no.

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You need someone on the field to analyze it

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Anders is the only one that can access to the forerunner tech

fossil eagle
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She can go gallavant about with Ash-G099 to help her in that regard.

slim thorn
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Uh... I think Ferrets is not an expert of Forerunner Tech

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If Ferrets was an expert, they may already obtain more information on how to utilize each of Forerunner tech

unique rune
tawny fox
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A lot of the Kig Yar also went back to space piracy after the war I believe

last anchor
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Not much really changed for them other than "sweet, no more overhead or taxes!"\

flat kernel
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I read on the 2022 halo encyclopedia that there still is a large presence of flood on the ark in high charity ruins that is barely contained by the sentinels on the ark. I’m guessing 343i is gonna keep them there and contained until they decide it’s flood dlc time

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Honestly it doesn’t matter how contained or how few the flood is currently, it only matters when and if 343i want to bring ‘em back

last anchor
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That...was already dLC. Awakening the Nightmare.
The Banished broke in and let em loose and almost lost that entire ring of the Ark to them. Stopped the creation of a Gravemind at the LAST moment

icy yoke
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Need zombie DLC

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UNSC sent zombies as weapons

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Some stuff like that

last anchor
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Yes because a shambling corpse would work against anything other than under-trained civilian militia.
The human body, evne zombified, does not take well to getting smacked in the face by .50 SAP-HE rounds, let alone God knows what other weird ammo types the civilian market has lying around.

icy yoke
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Distraction

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Zombified coovies and humans

last anchor
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Because orbital support and air strikes with incindiaries arent a thing.
And, you know, the UNSC doesnt routinely deploy flamers...
Not to mention Covenant weaponry literally melting flesh and making it explode because the water in the cells detonates like a microwaved egg

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Zombies are a joke in most fiction, in Halo they're a complete and total sidetrack and waste of time that would be stamped out within moments and logged in some marines AAR

slim thorn
last anchor
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"Get to it, Innie."

tawny fox
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A zombie would have zero chance against a spartan especially if they’re fully armored lol

hot basin
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The end of reach got me tearing up

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Not Emile

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Not me

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Why did everyone die

unique rune
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because they had to not be there for CE

queen zinc
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Hey does anyone here have an unhealthy obsession of halo reach lore down to units that operated on the planet if so dm me!!!!

slim thorn
slim thorn
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Even augmented spartans can be infected if the virus was lethal

fair hazel
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How is a zombie supposed to get his virus into a MJOLNIR clad shielded spartan?

heady geyser
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The only way I see that happening if the Spartan takes of their MJOLNIR armor

slim thorn
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airborne infection

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iirc, air is the only thing that can get through shield

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The question is whether the pathogen can bypass the helmet's filter or not

versed helm
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So one of my buddies and I were talking about how kat dies in reach, so did she turn off her shield? Like how in infinite the elites turn their shield on when they enter combat, so can Spartans do the same?

versed helm
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Probably not radiation

versed helm
versed helm
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Yeah

dense falcon
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Could also be that shields are off while Spartans have their helmet off. Would make sense since their bodies are not part of the armor.

versed helm
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She had her helmet on tho

versed helm
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Helmet*

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Is it kat or cat?- I think Kat-

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Yeah

dense falcon
versed helm
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Funny prank, Put jackal snipers in ever single room and post the banish have, At least 20

radiant copper
versed helm
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Maybe that would be neat if that’s why, it could have been they wanted it for the big sad boo hoo scene but I think that would be a good cannon explanation

versed helm
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why does chief look different for halo infinite i mean he never had that 117 stamped

real vortex
versed helm
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branded like cattle which is sad

unique rune
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This is one of the weirdes things I’ve seen people get worked up over

hybrid crypt
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Is the gravemind the reason why cortana goes bad in halo 4? Ive been a little confused on it

unique rune
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No

wispy prawn
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After 7 years

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Ais breakdown

hybrid crypt
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Ah okay, i was just curious because cortana was trapped with the gravemind and they didnt touch on it again until halo 5

unique rune
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She explains it very clearly at the beginning of the second mission

hybrid crypt
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Ah okay

versed helm
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i mean if john could go rampant hes been in service for least couple years, his cyborg implants are going haywire maybe he needs cryo sleep to keep sane, he hasnt slept since halo 4

hybrid crypt
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Teue

versed helm
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"Master Chief has gone rampant take em down boys

hybrid crypt
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Lol

unique rune
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What are you even talking about

versed helm
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but the old cortana is dead and we have forks of cortana dubbed the weapon, i thought a more original name nice going 343

unique rune
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buddy the protag of this IP may as well be literally named Master Chief
a military rank

and his name is John

obtuse crow
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John chief.

coarse ridge
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Hey so I know flash cloning is part of the lore and that the flash cone has all the memories and what not of the original but they usually get sick and die soon after

Could the unsc flash clone spartan 2s for suicidal missions? Kinda like what they were using the 3s for during the war?

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Would that not be more practical then having to take orphans and other units and enhanced and train them for years for a single mission?

gilded mason
coarse ridge
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How long did the flash clones last from the spartan 2 program? Do we know?

gilded mason
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Anyway, doing the flash clones gave a lot of physical issues to them, I imagine with those issues, giving them augments would have absolutely been fatal.

coarse ridge
gilded mason
gilded mason
coarse ridge
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Yah I guess not then

Just seemed like a potentially less wasful ideal then the spartan 3s

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Okay unrelated but what was the prewar unsc like at its height?
how many planets? Population etc?

Is there any cannon answer?

gilded mason
flat kernel
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A lot

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I dunno there’s a page in the halo encyclopedia that lists a ton of planets and such

coarse ridge
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So not 800 planets though as I’m sure not every outpost counts as one?

gilded mason
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Yup. A big portion of those 800 would be smaller things

coarse ridge
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Do we have an idea of the prewar population? Or how many died in the covenant war?

flat kernel
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Well

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There was a lot

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And then there was less

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But still a lot

gilded mason
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At least 39 billion or so. But the number could be a lot larger

coarse ridge
hybrid crypt
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Im not sure if the lore goes that specific

orchid kettle
gilded mason
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Pretty sure them calling them genetic augments was just a misnomer, since none of the augments we know about would do that.

orchid kettle
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like, i know its noncanon now, but for a while we accepted the Spartan 1.1s as a thing

last anchor
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Thats the Orion project.

orchid kettle
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Yeah and Spartan II is a successor

last anchor
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I Luv Bees is still canon is it not?

gilded mason
orchid kettle
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in Halseys journal she still call the augmentations "genetic augmentations" when referring to why the program needs kids

last anchor
gilded mason
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Why call them miracles then?

last anchor
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ILB wierdness?

orchid kettle
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and as an extension of that, a Spartan 1.1 was going to be kidnapped for said class

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as a lil bby

gilded mason
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Either way, none of the augments that have been shown would be able to be passed on

orchid kettle
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I mean, thats because halo doesn't get science

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i remember somebody breaking down how the faster reflex augmentation would just be Parkinson's

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and i was whinging the other day about how lil sense the IV augs make

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and we have a II who's somehow been de-augged

versed helm
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the lore and universe remind me of mass effect, reapers are tha halo rings, the citadel is the ark and shepard and edi are john and cortana. The monitors or sentinels are the keepers, and the protheans are the forerunners

orchid kettle
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including his super size enhanced skeleton

gilded mason
orchid kettle
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Also, surely the augs for enhanced muscles has to be genetic

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you cant just take steroids or whatever once and keep all your gains

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didnt the sentinel in Ghost of Onyx also end up classifying the Gammas as a subspecies

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Shadows of Reach has also revealed that the IIs all have a healing factor

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where they heal ten times faster than normal

last anchor
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IIIs do too.

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Owen gets nuked with a plasma grenade and is back on his feet in a couple of days.

hybrid crypt
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How has Sargeant Johnson lived as long as he has?

coarse ridge
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If we pretend that the covenant and forerunners didn’t exist and the insurrection war went ahead how do you think that would have gone?

What would happen to humanity and it’s political and military institutions?

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Would the instructionists win?

heady geyser
hybrid crypt
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Lol yeah i remember that now

tawny fox
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Did the ma5b assault rifle have any underbarrel attachments other than the flashlight we saw in game? I remember reading somewhere that it had like a grenade launcher attachment in lore that was never seen in gameplay obviously

obtuse crow
hybrid crypt
tawny fox
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Ahh

last anchor
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Anything you can put on a modern assault rifle the MA5 series can mount. Flashlight, bayonet (energy and normal), grenade launcher, masterkey shotgun.

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Probably some weirder stuff we havent seen yet

dense falcon
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Masterkey shotgun
TIL that's a thing

last anchor
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Underslung shotguns? Yeah they've been a less than common attachment for field operators but its a thing.
Ususally just a massively cut down tactical pump action shotgun. Called a masterkey cause its intended use is blowing doors off

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I believe the Halo 3 advertisment stuff mentions 40mm grenade launchers or underbarrel shotties for the MA5C specifically

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But, you knwo, this is the UNSC, if they can put something on something else they will.
Legitimatly surprised we dont have built in shotguns in MJLONIR yet

heady geyser
tawny fox
hybrid crypt
tawny fox
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Imagine a pump shotgun mounted on the wrist gauntlet

hybrid crypt
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That would be cool, but if they were to make something like that i think it would be like the shoulder launcher from Doom eternal

tawny fox
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Yeah I agree. Better balanced that way

hybrid crypt
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Yea, if a wrist mounted shotgun were a think, youd probably lose a hand or a digit

heady geyser
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You’ll definitely lose a hand

last anchor
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Not if your a Spartan

hybrid crypt
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Its still something to think about. Like practicality and usefulness, not just if itll break your hand off. The idea is not bad though

golden pulsar
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Is it just me or do I only go back and forth between "lore and universe" and "spoiler"

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I'm probably just a nerd

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Lol

latent junco
golden pulsar
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Ya

latent junco
fossil eagle
tawny fox
latent junco
flat kernel
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And I love lore

latent junco
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Same, I'm a weapons nerd, so if there's any questions about that, I may be able to give an answer

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And somewhat a nerd on the MJOLNIR armor

orchid kettle
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Its kinda funny how Buck says "I save people!" in Bad Blood

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when like, before that moment, he had just failed to save the delegates on the Grunt homeworld, and left the scientists on Luna to their fate while only grabbing Sadie

slim thorn
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Not to mention he failed to save Rookie

orchid kettle
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Yeah he's kinda like

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only really good at saving Sadie and Vergil

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if you're anyone else

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RIP

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Maybe its intentional, because Buck actively makes situations worse in Bad Blood

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since the delegates get blown up because he just had to run in and grab Romeo, and then they tried to fight their way to the delegates

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and the scientists would perhaps be better off if Buck didn't just piss off Cortana to get Sadie

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In this book, it really does feel like Buck is written like a knuckle dragging neanderthal, being pissed off at Mickey and Romeo because they keep using big words or point out holes in his plans

slim thorn
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In which why Alpha-Nine should need rookie

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He's the only one that always listens to his rant

orchid kettle
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Its very strange characterization in this book

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Like if I didnt play ODST and know Romeo was a butthole

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Buck and Dare constantly telling him shut up after he just points out how the pair don't really seem to think things through

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would make Buck and Dare look like the buttholes here

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Buck also at one point says that fighting with Elites against other Elites made him realize that there's good and bad people, and he shoots bad people

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but like

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isnt the reason the Elite civil war got out of hand because ONI was arming the Arbiter's enemy

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and Jul Mdama is only a thing because ONI messed up, locked him up, and then lost him

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like, finishing off Jul and his covenant isnt a heroic thing

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its just cleaning up ONI's mess

scarlet quiver
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🤔 You have some good points.

fair hazel
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The civil war was inevitable. It was accelerated by oni though

orchid kettle
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ONI arming factions that want to kill humanity has always been very silly