#lore-and-universe

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unique rune
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That would… depend on a lot of things.

gilded mason
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Depending on when they did it, the Covenant would have taken slightly longer to beat them

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Ah, prior to Harvest?

visual lantern
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Yep

gilded mason
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I'd say my answer stays the same

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Though they also might beat them faster, if they thought the UNSC actually had a fighting chance, and thus took things more seriously.

unique rune
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I would agree with Ostral

If you want more specific then you’d have to get into the extent to which Forerunner tech was incorporated and distributed

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If it only ends up on a few ships and weapons in the UNSC Home Fleet, then you end up with pretty much no change

visual lantern
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Hmm...lets say it was incorporated into the entire UNSCDF

unique rune
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If we’re talking like, the entire UNSC military is now armed with hardlight ammo MA5 derivatives etc

gilded mason
unique rune
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I would think the end result would have very few differences from current canon

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The Covenant would still vastly outnumber humanity

gilded mason
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Ye, that's the big thing

glossy current
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Single out couple times, I'll look for another halo server

quaint narwhal
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One thing I find interesting regarding my playthrough of the Halo series.

I'm on Halo Reach right now (haven't played 4, 5, or Infinite yet. Or at least I decided to play the rest of the series before finishing Infinite.)

So far my favorite games have been the ones where Chief isn't the primary focus. While he is certainly a cool character, I find the side characters way more interesting. The Rookie in ODST, Noble 6, and The Arbiter are what make the universe feel more interesting.

Personally I wouldn't mind future titles to focus on other stories that don't overly rely on Chief.

gilded mason
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Personally I wouldn't mind future titles to focus on other stories that don't overly rely on Chief.
God, I wish.

quaint narwhal
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I know this is a controversial opinion, but the Flood are arguably my least favorite part of the series so far lol

gilded mason
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Don't worry, a lot of people are tired of them as well

quaint narwhal
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As soon as I finish Reach I'm jumping right into 4. So it will be interesting to see how things changed from here.

tawny fox
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They were an interesting enemy but extremely annoying to fight

quaint narwhal
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You mean the Promethean Knight?

gilded mason
tawny fox
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Yeah the flood

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I thought the prometheans were ok

unique rune
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the Flood sucks in every game but CE

quaint narwhal
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Wait flood are in Halo 4?

unique rune
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sorta

quaint narwhal
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Shoot spoiling myself now lol

unique rune
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They’re part of 4’s framing for the Infection multiplayer mode

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but not actually in the campaign

quaint narwhal
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Oh, well then nvm

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I'm just playing the campaigns. Not really into multiplayer.

fair path
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The Flood is not directly in the Halo 4 campaign, but they have a strong presence on the lore and certain events mentioned in the story

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An infection form does appear in one of the terminals

spiral jewel
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How much of HW2s narrative have yet to recieve answers?

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I know some get answered in Divine Wind (I think)

last anchor
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Pushed onwards is more accurate

drowsy mesa
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I don't think so; we now know thanks to Infinite's recent Intel that Jun effectively left CASTLE alongside the rest of CASTLE's personnel

icy yoke
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UNSC was adapting tech as quickly as they could decipher it.

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I think energy shields were the biggest step up in game.

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Once shields were once ships plasma based weapons were rendered less capable
But UNSC MAC were still devastating. All do is sharpen rounds to a point Increase delivery on single point kinetic energy over square meter.

blazing shoal
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how does the covenant just sneak a 28km cso into reach?

obtuse crow
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But first entry?

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I got no idea.

terse lava
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I can only assume with all the Forerunner tech on the ship, one must have been a baffler(Forerunner cloaking technology that wass even able to hide things from other forerunner vessels)

devout lynx
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Random question, but how does the unsc differ from torpedoes and missiles while in space? Can they?

scarlet hinge
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if so, they have two main systems - point-defence cannons and point-defence missiles

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the former are (usually) coilguns that use automated target tracking and extremely high rates of fire to shoot down inbound projectiles - very similar in nature to real-world systems like the Phalanx CIWS

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in Halo, the UNSC and CMA have a lot of point-defence network systems including the Helix, Rampart, Bulwark, Fortress, Arena, and Goalkeeper

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so those cannons you see on the side of a Paris frigate, for example, are actually first and foremost, intended for shooting down inbound missiles - not other ships

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the other system is using missiles for point defence - mainly the Streak missile pods. These are very small (compared to an Archer or Ares antiship missile) missiles that are fired with the express purpose of trying to take out inbound projectiles

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point-defence networks are ubiquitous on every human warship, with Streak missile pods only present on a few specialised ships like the Stalwart-class frigate, which has escort and point defence for capital ships as one of its major roles

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this image, for example, is Pillar of Autumn firing its PDGs at inbound targets

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the expanse TV show also illustrates the same concept very well

devout lynx
scarlet hinge
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for the Covenant, plasma torpedoes are physical cores surrounded by a field of plasma

devout lynx
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I assumed as such, because the concept is lost, even though the term is loosely used in pop culture

devout lynx
scarlet hinge
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yeah, space combat in Halo (worldbuilding) is too far removed from maritime war for things to map 1:1

devout lynx
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Yup

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Cool

scarlet hinge
devout lynx
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Cool

last anchor
pallid thicket
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How long did it take for the Gravemind to jump High Charity from Delta Halo to the Ark?

quaint narwhal
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I would love if the next Halo title was more Metroid Prime inspired.

Like have the player play as a stranded ODST or something and he has to collect upgrades which unlock other parts of Forerunner ruins he is trapped in. One of the first upgrades would be a "scan visor" which lets him scan items and receive small bits of Forerunner lore on them.

By the end he'd have found suit upgrades even that make him something unique from Spartans. Heck the game could pull a Shadow Complex, and have him pull pieces off a Forerunner Combat Skin and implement then into his ODST suit.

boreal bane
boreal bane
unique rune
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The later reprints of the first few books generally added some extra material, yeah

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Nothing that directly affects the books, just extra stuff added to the end surrounding some related things

fair hazel
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Canon fodderrr

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By compromising the full range of GEN3 capabilities, it significantly reduces its cost, complexity, and the augmentation requirements of the operator.

last anchor
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Shields for non Spartans? Are we reaching tbe pinnacle of sci-fi miltech? I hope so!

fair hazel
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Meanwhile they took out the shields on the wasp in infinite. Annoying

last anchor
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Never noticed that myself

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Then again, balancing or something

fair hazel
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Would have been better still shields but weaker hull. Though that starts going on gameplay

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It would be awesome to have a campaign thing where we fight the banished to regain control of the infinity

quaint narwhal
quaint narwhal
minor remnant
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Is There A Collection Somewhere Of Known III/IV Variants?

unique rune
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You could try Halopedia, I guess? Not exactly sure what you’re asking about

minor remnant
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Found What I Was Looking For On Pedia Yeah, Just Looking For Gen 2/3 Variants For A Concept I'm Working On

obtuse crow
quaint narwhal
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Oops, I think I accidentally @'d you, sorry.

obtuse crow
obtuse crow
quaint narwhal
obtuse crow
quaint narwhal
obtuse crow
quaint narwhal
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Would you mind linking it? Would help a lot 👍

obtuse crow
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Either they changed it.

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Or I just can’t find it.

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But I’ve found everything else.

terse lava
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I assume you are talking about the ship scene in Cryptum and Primordium?

obtuse crow
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And I can’t find it.

terse lava
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in Cryptum, from the Forerunner Bornstellar's perspective, he is able to witness the vessel he is on attempt to constantly repair itself while under fire from forerunner weapons before ultimately failing. Meanwhile the 2nd book has the human Chakas see the same scene as merely a flash of light

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The only other thing that would be close to them reacting in "lightspeed" time, would be the higher forerunner warrior-servants, who were able to view a battle in different perspectives

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Prometheans—and Warriors in general—perceived reality in a markedly different way from baseline Forerunners or humans, particularly during battle when their mental processes were at their peak. Thousands of Prometheans shared their sensory information with their commanders and individual Warriors observed the battle unfold in a number of separate frames of reference whilst their experience of the surrounding world slowed down, allowing them to perform multiple separate tasks simultaneously and granting them a significantly faster reaction time than baseline Forerunners

quaint narwhal
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Sounds like that thing in Gundam where one of the suits lets the user see multiple outcomes in a fight.

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That's what it reminds me of at least.

obtuse crow
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But i can’t find it despite it should be here.

terse lava
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what article?

quaint narwhal
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Isn't the Didact in Halo 4 one of these guys?

terse lava
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He is, yes. He was a Promethean, the highest ranked of the warrior servants and Commander of their rate and the entire Forerunner military

obtuse crow
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It’s making me mad because I VIVDLY remember it.

terse lava
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If it was there at some point, it was likely taken out due to there being no proof

quaint narwhal
obtuse crow
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It was likely that happened.

quaint narwhal
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I'm looking through the edit history on the page. Maybe there's a reason on there for why it was removed.

terse lava
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amusing looking back at these edits. You forget the site has been around since 2004

quaint narwhal
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I couldn't find it :/

Maybe it was on anothe wiki page?

terse lava
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perhaps

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though halopedia is the most accurate

obtuse crow
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It was on halopedia.

terse lava
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if it was, it would have been in those edits at some point

fair hazel
ember cloak
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HALO ships are massive

obtuse crow
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I generally do remember reading it on halopedia.

tiny oracle
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I got a feeling the rookie,cheif,and noble 6 would all be friends

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If they met

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Can someone remind me again what atroix goal is ? Is he smart enough to know that the Great journey was a lie then why is he fighting the unsc

obtuse crow
tiny oracle
fair path
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Let's say one of those AIs and the leader of an AI uprising was Cortana

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Let's also say Cortana destroyed the homeworld of the Brutes, Doisac

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So, let's say Doisac's destructions was, indirectly, the fault of humanity

tiny oracle
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get over it lmao

fair hazel
fair hazel
pallid thicket
fair path
tiny oracle
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Artiox is a dumb monkey and needs to get over it

unique rune
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mmm yes casual xenophobia

radiant copper
last anchor
quaint narwhal
unique rune
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humanity are a bunch of dumb monkeys and need to get over Reach being glassed tbh

radiant copper
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And was of great value to the banished

unique rune
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I know, I was joking about the genius above’s comments on Atriox

last anchor
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Angy Monke

obtuse crow
terse lava
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The Forerunners never had that ability for their soldiers

heady geyser
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So what are we talking about my fellow lore people

terse lava
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Forerunner stuff

heady geyser
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Nice

pure kraken
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Didn't Bungie want the forerunners to be humans?

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That would have been cool

gilded mason
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Some Bungie devs wanted them to be human, and some devs wanted them to be separate.

fair path
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I think it's better that they're a different species

heady geyser
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Yeah I like it better that they’re a different species

crimson steppe
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I tend to think of them as akin to Humans and Apes, Common Ancestor but separate species and quite thoroughly so

last anchor
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The Precursors got involved at some point too

terse lava
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Yeah thr current lore has the Precursors making Humans and Forerunners from a previously existing "base stock."

last anchor
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"So what if we take these ones and give em extra fingers?"
"Oh man thats awesome. Do it."
-The Precursors creating the Forerunners, presumably

terse lava
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"So...can someone explain to be what happened to their nose?"
"He was a fan of Harry Potter, sir."
"Who in the Mantle is that?!"

last anchor
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"Just remember it, it'll make sense in a few millenia."

pallid thicket
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Besides I’m sure many of us expected them to be different anyway

pallid thicket
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Wait I thought the additional fingers was from the mutations they perform on themselves. The Librarian only has 5 fingers on each hand

versed helm
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The

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I forget how to spell his name

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The librarian's husband

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He only looked as he did due to basically mutating himself to extreme degrees to try and make himself immune to the flood

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Most of them probably would have looked fairly similar to humans outside of basically being space elves

terse lava
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No, A forerunner typically looked like how we see the Didact in the terminals before his beast-like mutation

versed helm
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That's how u spell it

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And I wasnt disagreeing with that statement just made

terse lava
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If I recall correctly, originally Greg Bear did see the Forerunners with more a fae like look before writing Cryptum

versed helm
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is prophet denver still alive ?

gilded mason
versed helm
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oh yeah i cant find anything, they are my fave species, it means trecherous snake in latin

tiny oracle
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Noble team vs master cheif ? Who would win

spark pivot
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probably

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especially with noble 6

gilded mason
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An entire team vs one guy? Yeah, I'm going with the team

spark pivot
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well

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it is chief tho

gilded mason
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He's not special

spark pivot
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.....

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literally every spartan II in lore acknowledged the fact that hes special

gilded mason
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Now, if it was them vs Linda at a very long range, I'd give it to the latter.

spark pivot
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that wouldnt make sense...

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if it was noble team versus blue team tho,

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that would be intresting

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but personally unless chief ran into emile at point blank chief has a decent shot,

gilded mason
spark pivot
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also jun exists

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aka the best friggin sniper in halo

gilded mason
spark pivot
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fair

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but jun.

gilded mason
spark pivot
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no... thats jun.

tiny oracle
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i think linda would be a better sniper since shes more experience and spartan 2

fair path
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Do we know where the 'Sandbox' map is set in?
It looks very similar to Sandtrap, and while Sandtrap is in the Ark, Sandbox is unknown
The most common conception is that Sandbox is located in one of Te's moons, but is that accurate?

tiny oracle
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anyone know what other spartans than chief thought about the flood? did they all just forgot about it or never was told about the flood

unique rune
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They respect his leadership capabilities but nothing like that

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Even John acknowledges that he's not necessarily the "best" Spartan-II, just the most well-known of the group

unique rune
# spark pivot no... thats jun.

Tell me, has Jun ever suspended himself from a cable, upside down, and sniped seven Banshee pilots in a row out of their vehicles through a gap in their fuselage, one-handed?

Because Linda's done it before. Not long after being brought back from basically death, I might add.

Jun is nothing

hazy shadow
# tiny oracle Noble team vs master cheif ? Who would win

Chief wins. Kat will catch a random bullet to the head for no reason, Jorge will sacrifice himself in an attempt to save the rest of the team that will fail, Carter will do the same, and Emile will bum rush Chief and get gutted. Lastly, 6 will fight it out for awhile in a slugging match with Chief but eventually fall to overwhelming force. Boom.

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Oh right, and Jun will run away at some point.

radiant copper
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What is the logic plauge

unique rune
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A series of arguments the Flood uses to turn something capable of sentient thought to their side without the need for infection. Manifests differently between subjects, often used for inorganics

fair path
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Basically, the horrid abomination space zombie monsters have a polite chat where they convince you into siding with them
POLITICS

open berry
obtuse crow
last anchor
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Juns mid, by contrast

terse lava
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Though speaking of Flood, anyone looking forward to that Epitath book coming out from Kelly G?

obtuse crow
terse lava
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I mean, the closest we have to actually specialized spartans are pretty much Kelly and Linda. Linda for the previously mentioned sniping skills, while Kelly was seen as the fastest of the S-II

fair path
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Linda stepping in front of Chief to protect him from Cortana in Halo 5 warms my heart
Being friends for a very long time, and being the Chief who saved her life when she was mortally wounded, she feels like she owes him her life

obtuse crow
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You ain’t wrong.

visual lantern
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Looking at the ending for Halo 3, I can't help but feel like that is where the Halo games should've ended in my honest opinion.

hazy shadow
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My thing is if they had made better choices in story direction for each of the post 3 titles, nobody would think this. As it is, it's just a bandaid solution to "I didn't like any of the story of the last 3 major Halo FPS titles"

unique rune
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I probably never would've gotten into Halo if they stopped at 3.

Which has often seemed like it would've been a blessing in retrospect after seeing years of Halo fans being... Halo fans.

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Quite frankly I'm glad they've kept going even ignoring that 4 was my introductory title. Viewing it with just a bit of critical thinking, Halo 3's campaign is genuinely kinda bad and spends all of its time distracting you from its failings by blowing up a large set piece every other level.

terse lava
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Not sure if 3 would be a perfect ending, seeing as Chief is left adrift until reaching the then unknown Forerunner world. It was however, a decent cliffhanger that could be re-visted in a later game, if so desired

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I imagine in a perfect world, anything post halo 3(or Reach) could have contained several spin off games to keep fans content before eventually bringing back the Chief for some true final, big climax to the series

humble yacht
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i think 3 would have been fine as a full stop ending

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good endings leave room for the audience to imagine what could happen next for the character, imo

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continue the story in your mind

hazy shadow
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I would take 3 being the end if it meant no Reach.

terse lava
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I view Reach as more a cherry on top of the cake that was CE-3. ODST is the frosting

quaint narwhal
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Personally my least favorite games so far have been the ones focused on Chief.

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Halo 2, ODST, and Reach were super good.

3 was good, but just didn't hit the same. On Halo 4 rn in my playthrough and I like it a lot for its focus on Cortana. Plus expanding Forerunner stuff is really cool.

last anchor
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The games ending at 3 would have been fine if they kept writing books like Star Wars

tiny oracle
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Is the flood kept as a secret after halo 3?

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What was blue teams reaction to hearing about the flood and where were they during halo 3?

unique rune
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They were busy being stuck inside Onyx

tiny oracle
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What is onyx

unique rune
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Because they would've been dead if Kurt hadn't rushed them all through the portal

tiny oracle
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What portal

unique rune
tiny oracle
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So

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When halo 1,2 where they at

unique rune
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Still stuck inside Onyx

wispy prawn
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A secret planet for training new spartans

unique rune
tiny oracle
unique rune
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I mean
We don't know

wispy prawn
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As nova said they didn’t get into that

fair path
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And yeah, the status of the Flood is mostly unkown by the characters in universe after Halo 3, which is why the Banished were taken by surprise when they fought them in Halo Wars 2
But we, all seeing spectators, know that there are Flood free on other planets and installations, preparing their return
No, the Flood can never be truly defeated and no, you didn't defeat them in Halo 3

wispy prawn
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Too busy trying not to die 😂

unique rune
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Though now that I think about it, 058, 087, and 104 would've probably been at Earth around CE or 2 before departing for Onyx partway into 2's campaign

tiny oracle
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Ok

unique rune
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This would probably be easier if you just looked up the wiki's page on Blue Team

fair path
unique rune
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She was with Kelly and Fred when they went to Onyx and got trapped inside the Sarcophagus shield world until Feb. '53 so I don't think that's true.

fair path
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What you say makes more sense

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Although coop is not even canon to begin with

unique rune
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Well. In the case of Halo 3 it's considered partially canon.

quaint narwhal
tiny oracle
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Does master chief wear clothes ?

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Dudes gotta had a day off between h5-infinite and I wanna know what his fit was

unique rune
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He doesn’t like taking days off

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Didn’t have a chance to between 5 and Infinite for that matter

tiny oracle
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Damn

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Brotha is working a constant 24/7/365

last anchor
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As all Spartans do

faint escarp
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Is there anything in the books or anything really that go into detail about the wreckage left behind or the damage done to the surrounding civilian population during the Insurrection War?

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Just curious what the civilian populous had to experience or what life was like for them during the Insurrection War. I can't find anything so anything anyone can suggest would be helpful.

last anchor
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For the most part, it wasnt large enough to matter.
Think of the Insurrection like conflicts in the modern middle east; people live their lives through all of it and try to keep their heads down while the Innies blow up waffle houses and night clubs UNSC personel go to.

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I think the best example would be the opening chapter of Contact Harvest which features Johnson involved in an Operation TREBUCHETE mission.

faint escarp
last anchor
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Not much sadly no.
One of the greater lacks in the fiction, IMO

old shadow
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Is there a site or an archive of a site anyone knows where it has all the lore up until 343 took over?

grave light
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7h column website?

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or something like that

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the website dedicated to bungie

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I don't know if it still exist

trim crown
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Where is Arbiter and swords of sangheili during infinite?

last anchor
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On Sangheilios still presumably.
We're about to find out where Thel went in the upcoming Outcasts

solemn otter
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Currently reading The Thursday War. Has anyone else read it?

dense falcon
visual lantern
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Which is better in terms of quality, the Halo Reach game or the Fall of Reach book (both 2001 and 2010 versions)?

fair path
visual lantern
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I was thinking the same thing to be honest

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Which is funny since I am wearing a Halo Reach shirt

fair path
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Look at all the movies based on books that exist out there, barely any is better than the book

visual lantern
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They should've made a Halo Reach campaign DLC that was basically a video game adaptation of the Fall of Reach book.

unique rune
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That would have to be an entire game all of its own

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Or else you'd have a very short cutscene of Reach burning if you wanted just the Fall of Reach bits of the novel

versed helm
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Is it true that noble 6 survived for 3 days straight then died of dehydration?

gilded mason
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Why would you think that?

versed helm
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Saw some1 on the social media say that

gilded mason
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They're lying

versed helm
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Ah

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Well idk if he's lying or not

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Because he said it's in the books

unique rune
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Six got stabbed in the face with a plasma blade

gilded mason
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It is not

unique rune
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none of the books ever say that

versed helm
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Alright

unique rune
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Truly the most frustrating part of Halo's expanded universe
people who've never explored it using it to spread misinformation or otherwise use it as a scapegoat for other things they don't like

versed helm
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I also got another question for you guys

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Sooo

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Do odst only get enhanced on specific stuff?. Like let's say there's a odst with bad eye sight. Will his eye sight get enhanced or does every odst gets enhanced like the spartans but just a little?

unique rune
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Nope

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ODSTs are just normal humans

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no augmentations or enhancements

gilded mason
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Yup

versed helm
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Damn

unique rune
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Getting corrective eye surgery is probably a very simple procedure in the 26th century (it's not really that difficult nowadays either IIRC) so it's not something that would really need biological augmentation either

versed helm
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I have 1 more question

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And it's kinda stupid

gilded mason
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I'm worried you'll say what I expect you to say

unique rune
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Chief's suit does not do that thing

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I'm just gonna say it preemptively

versed helm
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Is it true that the master cheif has no eyebrows and bald?

gilded mason
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oh

versed helm
gilded mason
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He does have eyebrows, though he miiiight be bald?

versed helm
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Because at the end of halo 4 you get to see master cheifs eyes

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And i couldn't tell if he has eyebrows or not

unique rune
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I would imagine he probably has hair?

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Maybe close-shaven but I don't think he's bald

versed helm
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Alright

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That's it for today 🙂

gilded mason
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👍

grave light
obtuse crow
ruby crow
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Hey just a question for the lore Lords here

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What happened to those giant forerunner robots that cortana controlled at one point?

scarlet hinge
ruby crow
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Ah

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So their just floating in space doing nothing?

scarlet hinge
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it's not been touched on much

pallid thicket
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I love how in the first parts of “Into the Fire” it says Rion “forged her way to success”. A not-so-slick pun on her last name

ruby crow
gilded aspen
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There is a guardian in Infinite’s campaign, you can’t reach it but you can see it deactivated on another island in the distance

grave light
neon iris
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I know a lot of fans don't like the live action, but I gotta point it out for a bit since it's possible that OG Chief had his hair like that for a bit at some point

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And some Spartans do have facial hair (ex: Jorge from Reach)

gusty star
gilded aspen
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And here I was thinking I accidentally said you can 😅

last anchor
grave light
visual lantern
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How many Guardians are there thus far?

obtuse crow
visual lantern
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I'm wondering why one was buried on Meridian.

unique rune
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The one known Guardian ID number we have is 3209. Presumably at least three thousand were constructed or at least planned.

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Meridian had one located there possibly because the Hestia system might have been inhabited by a sentient species considered potentially disruptive by the Forerunners

versed helm
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Is there any reason for spartan prosthetics? Can’t they just flash clone a new limb?

unique rune
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no

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Flash cloning hasn't been used to replace entire limbs

versed helm
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Why not? The can make crappy copies of entire humans so surely they can make slightly less crappy copies of an limb

unique rune
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I would imagine it's quite hard to generate an entire limb without having to create the entire rest of the human body

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It's not like flash cloning organs which is just a normal and regular thing that can be done in the Halo universe because you're cloning a whole bunch of organs linked together in something like an arm or leg

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And then you'd have to worry about all the nerve connections and making sure the new limb is sufficiently developed upon attachment.

And then... reaugmenting the replacement, which I'm not sure how that would work?

terse lava
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I actually would expect them to be able to have the tech to re-grow a limb in clinics or hospitals. I figure spartans are given prosthetic limbs as it would be more durable and easier to replace if its damaged again. The organ thing after all was in a rather small device on the field by Halsey.

last anchor
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Also no Spartan is going to want to sit in the hospital and wait for them to regrow a limb

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That’s time they’re not in the field and EVERY Spartan hates that

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Give em a prosthetic and let em get back to work

gilded mason
wispy prawn
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Wouldn’t it be harder or impossible to do it with augmented limbs?

fair path
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Besides

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Flash clones are made to die in a couple years, I'd imagine a flash clone limb wouldn't last very long

hazy shadow
gilded mason
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Nope, S2s

hazy shadow
#

Well then you're just plain wrong.

gilded mason
# hazy shadow Well then you're just plain wrong.

Escalation says that John taking one mission after the other is unusual and self-destructive, and Halo 5's intro has Fred repeat this, saying so many missions non-stop was bad. And of course, Maria wanted to retire.

hazy shadow
gilded mason
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I'm pretty sure the argument was resting at any point? Not while an active mission is going on.

hazy shadow
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To a Spartan 2, the entire Covenant War would be one big active mission.

obtuse crow
versed helm
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I think y’all are forgetting most S4’s are lazy af and would definitely take a sick leave to get a limb regrown

unique rune
#

most S4’s are lazy af
and you got that from… where?

wispy prawn
#

Yeah what?

unique rune
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I guess Majestic kinda had that attitude in 4 but it’s not really a common thing across other depictions of S-IV personnel

latent storm
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it wouldn't make a lot of sense for UNSC to upgrade people who they know to be lazy as well

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cause they're choosing them iirc?

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the augmentation and the armor are still expensive i'd think

unique rune
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Yeah, basically

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Spartan-IV personnel are selected from a pool of candidates with a distinguished service record or who show exceptional promise within their field

(with rare exceptions like Anthony Madsen who’s there because he’s got family connections)

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And generally those kinds of people are gonna be pretty disciplined

fair path
#

Why Blue Team if only Fred and Kelly are blue?
Why Red Team if they're all green?

red wraith
#

Did any characters in kilo 5 die????

red wraith
fair path
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Hmm

bright briar
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It's just a name, they're not named after the colour of their armour.

fair path
#

I just find it odd because Black Team did wear black

red wraith
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stealth

last anchor
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S-II teams were named based on a color denomination as far back as the earliest formations began to coaless.
John formed the core of what would later be Blue Team as far back as his first day of training proper.

Armor colors came later to match the titles, and even then thats TECHINCALLY a later addition as in Fall of Reach, every Spartan wore identical iridecent green armor.

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The OG cover of Reach shows that, where the only way you can tell which Spartan is which is by what weapon they're holding; they're all copy-pasted Chiefs more or less.

red wraith
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supercool the text above me is true

heady geyser
#

Could Halsey saved cortana or no since brain cloning is highly illegal

wise karma
#

What do you mean could she have saved her? Smart AI’s go rampant after about 7 years and think themselves to death, so I don’t think Halsey could’ve done anything.

terse lava
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She might have been able to do something. Her journal comments how she once put a smart AI in slipspace. It didn't go well though

obsidian thistle
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Ya know, I actually wanna know the story that caused the 7 year rule to be implemented

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Did the first AI go that bad. Was it though a good understanding of how their "brain" would end up.

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Its a really interesting case study piece really that may have paired well during the Halo 5 era with the Created being the focus.

last anchor
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I figured scientists just started noticing things going poorly at that point and implemented it.
Presumably there were...incidents with rampant AIs

versed helm
#

How did they graft metal to the S2’s skeleton? When I think about metal skeletons I think of the wolverine getting molten adamantium injected onto his skeleton

fiery perch
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This is going to be my favorite channel

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I love lore

terse lava
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that's good

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it's a good channel

fiery perch
#

Yeah

heady geyser
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Everybody in here love the halo lore

heady geyser
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I hope we uncover more of zeta halo lore

versed helm
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That’s if things don’t fall apart at the seams

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I’m hoping it doesn’t

terse lava
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Yeah, Primordium showed us a bunch of what happened on the ring, a shame none of that carried over to Infinite, or that novel Hunters in the Dark

heady geyser
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I want to know how the Xalanyn survived the purification

untold wasp
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Why was the harbinger cylix under the reverie while the rest of the Xalanyn cylixs in another place

last anchor
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The Harbinger wasnt found under the Reverie, she was moved there (after they took the frigate if I remember right)

terse lava
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@heady geyser It's not currently known. It is merely mentioned that they may have some...influence over living time. Seen people take that as straight up time travel. Others that they are a new form of Precursor

untold wasp
fiery perch
fiery perch
last anchor
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Im pretty sure they brought her up from deeper in.
Unless thats what you meant.

untold wasp
#

Ya

fiery perch
#

Yeah

rich heart
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Yeah the whole endless thing is interesting

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Are they precursor?
Are they forerunner?
Are they some other random species?

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Who knows

untold wasp
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Not forerunner

rich heart
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Well yeah of course

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I just threw something else in there

torn needle
#

What if the meter who destroyed the dinosaurs was the covenant or elites attack thing or there recon units accidently killed dinosaurs

heady geyser
signal osprey
unique rune
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the Covenant didn't exist that far back

icy yoke
#

How old Covenant 65 million.

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KT extinction asteroid was 10 km long

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Twas no meteor

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Meteoroid is space Rocky, metal body.
Meteor is the streak of the sky
And meteorite is what's left of it on ground

terse lava
#

The Covenant existed for 3400 years, founded in 852 BC. The Forerunners's Empire lasted for 10 million years

last anchor
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Lol what

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Whats this dude on

fair path
visual lantern
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I wonder if Ancient Humanity ever had any interactions with the Xalanyn.

sand thorn
wicked moth
#

where did jun dipp to like fr he just said "dying is gay"

obtuse crow
#

From there I don’t remember.

boreal bane
terse lava
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@visual lantern No, they were only discovered a century after the Halos were fired. There is no indication Ancient Humans had any contact with the species

wicked moth
boreal bane
#

Don't use that meme here please

fiery perch
fiery perch
unique rune
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I’ll vomit if they’ll Precursors but also that doesn’t really make sense

tawny fox
#

Since we were on the subject of dinosaurs earlier i wonder if any of the covenant species had something close to a dinosaur on their home planets at some point or possibly still even during the current halo timeline

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The jackals are also very dinosaur-like in appearance on close observation

unique rune
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The history and development on life on former Covenant client species’ worlds has never been explored but I would imagine it’s not dissimilar from how it happened on Earth, minus a major extinction event or two.

tawny fox
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Interesting. Yeah that’s something that the games never explain. The wildlife of the other planets

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I’d imagine they have or at least had something similar to the hollow creatures in Gears of War

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Especially after playing Reach and running into those large beasts on the nighttime mission

tawny fox
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Oh and I should have mentioned some the alien wildlife of Pandora in Avatar could be what their “dinosaurs” looked like if anything. I honestly wish the Halo universe would dive into that more because it’s something that always interested me.

stoic needle
boreal bane
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Marty can say anything he wants, canon was changed

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And it was changed before 343 were involved

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More info in recent tweets from Doc

waxen anchor
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God why are people still talking about forerunners being human or not

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They are not human, thats fact now

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I don’t get all the discourse around it

boreal bane
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Just Marty trying to be important again

hazy shadow
last anchor
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Marty trying to be important and people using it as another arrow in their quiver basically

obtuse crow
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Forerunners/=/human.

stoic needle
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where there ever ancient humans? what did the terminals state the forerunners were? I'm not savy.

last anchor
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There were. Originally, Humanity was the equal or near equal of the Forerunners.
There was a tenuous peace for a while, until the Flood pushed the humans into striking Forerunner worlds to burn out infections before they could spread.
The Forerunners, missing the Flood presence, took this as a direct assault and lead a war against the humans, eventually winning and, in revenge, devolving them

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Humanity as it is now in Halo is slowly regaining what it once had, while also finding access to the structures and facilities the Forerunners left behind 100,000 years ago

untold wasp
outer cypress
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doomslayer solos master chief but tbh the games are the same rating both tens

radiant copper
#

Who else checks this chat at every given chance

outer cypress
#

yes

quaint narwhal
abstract wren
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Secondly Marty is not a writter, and he was not when he worked for bungie (he never was a direct employee) He always overstepped his job as audio director, and that was fine in an horizontal environnement like Bungie of the 2000'

tawny fox
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That thing could wipe out an entire platoon of covies too I’m sure

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Now imagine if they actually teamed up instead tho. That alone would probably be enough to send the covenant high tailing it off Earth.

flat kernel
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The doom slayer by himself could probably demolish the covenant, but if he was placed in the master chiefs shoes, I don’t think he would have save humanity, as he wouldn’t really follow orders and work with others, while master chief does.

meager path
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Doom slayer is practically a god, he doesn't need to work with others

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He could 1v1 the gravemind and win

fair path
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Oh yeah, no contest, Doomguy beats Master Chief

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Someone more fair for the Chief would be Samus Aran, and even in that scenario I'm not sure if the Chief could win

gilded mason
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Samus would absolutely beat John, yeah. Barring specifics contexts, at least.

meager path
#

Chief honestly ain't that strong of a character on his own compared to other sci-fi universes

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but that's fine because Chief is still an awesome cool character

tawny fox
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Someone on YouTube actually made a 3 part what if story where the doom slayer meets chief and the two team up and fight alongside each other against both the banished and demons that were unleashed on Zeta Halo

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It was really well put together

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His name is Reclaimer Gaming if you’re interested

last anchor
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Im impressed people get that deep on this stuff

fair path
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Wait until Doomguy finds out what the Covenant call the Chief like

tawny fox
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That’s what some of the comments were lol

heady geyser
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Please keep chat lore and universe related

quaint narwhal
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But to keep it lore related, I wonder what class of Forerunner Combat Skin characters would have from those universes.

obtuse crow
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Considering how chiefs Mark V armor is a tier 2.

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Maybe a bit higher.

versed helm
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I’ve never played metroid, why would Samus beat Chief

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I feel like people don’t take into consideration that each character is as strong as the plot needs them to be

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Samus has a pretty basic backstory anyways

humble yacht
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power bomb + wave beam from behind a wall = Chief cooked

gilded mason
#

yeh

humble yacht
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i do wonder how the Varia suit's strength enhancement compares to Mjolnir. We don't see Samus grapple or go fisticuffs with enemies generally, barring the screw attack

gilded mason
#

Doesn't Dread do some hand to hand stuff? I forget

humble yacht
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dread has a counter move that does some damage but mostly is used to make enemies vulnerable for a moment

versed helm
#

when will balaho be habitable for me?

tawny fox
versed helm
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I miss home

quaint narwhal
# versed helm I’ve never played metroid, why would Samus beat Chief

Samus throws a 200 ton lava whale several hundred feet into a wall in one of the games. She also is shown several times kicking creatures the size of hunters over 50 feet high.

She has shown to move faster than sound on several occasions. Her natural strength allows her to jump over 30 feet without the suit on a planet with several times Earth's gravity.

She was trained since the age of 3 by the Metroid equivalent of the Forerunners and was biologically enhanced to survive the hazardous environment of their world (the only difference being that the chozo don't resort to blowing everything up, but are very well capable of doing so.)

Her Metroid DNA allows her to completely drain the life force and energy of mechanical and organic beings. She also has the ability to carry hundreds of missiles. Canonically a single missile (might even be a power beam shot) can take out a carrier ship. Several of her upgrades are stronger, and has several which are basically the equivalent of the Spartan laser (but with faster ROF.) There's more, but I'm stopping it there.

quaint narwhal
minor sky
#

It just hit me earlier today as I was rewatching Tron Legacy that it is totally possible that 343i's artists definitely took more than a little inspiration from that film with the Forerunner designs in 4

quaint narwhal
minor sky
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The whole neon blue and orange motif, the floaty structures, the hardlight walls granted those were in the original games as well, hell the Didact himself looks like he could be in that film

quaint narwhal
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I mean, orange and blue isn't exactly unique to tron either.

They are complimentary colors. Its not really a new concept to put them together.

minor sky
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Not trying to say "343i ripped off Tron" or anything like that, just taking note of a totally possible thing that they took inspiration from

quaint narwhal
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It's very possible!

minor sky
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Yeah, anyway, just wanted to jot my thoughts down here somewhere

quaint narwhal
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You should look up Conduit 2. The Atlantis area is very similar to Promethean/Forerunner stuff that 343 did.

minor sky
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Mhm, those were the FPS series for the wii, right?

quaint narwhal
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Yeah. The Conduit was basically "Good for a Wii fps." Not bad, but nothing really noteworthy.

Conduit 2 is just an outright good game. Again not game changing by any means, however it is just a fun title to play through.

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There's a YouTube channel called JarekTheGamingDragon who did reviews of both games. He mentions the Promethean thing too.

minor sky
#

Noted

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I've seen a chunk of his videos before, good stuff

minor sky
quaint narwhal
#

I hear that a new Tron movie is in production, but don't take my word for it.

I am curious if the digital aspect of Halo 4 was inspired at all though. Especially with how 5's plot way going towards AIs.

minor sky
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There is a new one, though I'm not expecting anything of quality given its going to star Jared Leto and be directed by the pair that brought us Pirates of the Carribean 5 and Maleficent 2

quaint narwhal
#

Agreed lol

carmine sleet
#

You know, a location I would love to see explored in a future Halo story is the Blamite mines on Suban

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Like, what do those mines actually look like and how do they actually extract it from underground

versed helm
#

is locke still alive AmongUsChief ?

dark coyote
#

yooo i gotta question

heady geyser
heady geyser
dark coyote
#

well got it answered now but in the og odst on the 360 some grunts would say here comes yap yap at times during firefight but i thought yap yap came with halo wars

versed helm
terse lava
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Doubt it

obtuse crow
#

Chief can only life like 4000 pounds in armor.

quaint narwhal
#

Maybe if he hits a very specific part of it that causes a chain reaction.

unique rune
#

Nah he’d be able to do it with CE’s Magnum

versed helm
#

Facts

quaint narwhal
#

But that usually takes several shots 😛

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God that emoji looks weird

last anchor
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Good thing the M6D has a magazine capacity of 12

tawny fox
#

Legend has it a well placed shot from the M6D can cause a ship’s reactors to instantly destabilize

obtuse crow
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Legend has it a single shot can cause the slipspace engine to have an accident.

visual lantern
#

So the Guilty Spark we see in the Halo games is just one fragment or however Halo Primordium explained it?

unique rune
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He's the entire consciousness of Chakas but with large parts of his memory sectioned off and made inaccessible

heady geyser
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What determines the color of the monitor eye just wondering because
Guilty spark eye color is blue
Penitent Tangent is red
Exuberant Witness is purple
Despondent Pyre is teal

high fox
#

I think the eye color reflects personality

unique rune
#

I don't think it's really indicative of anything

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Red could be a sign of rampancy or instability, I suppose?
Given that we've only really seen Penitent Tangent after his dereliction of duty and subsequent capture by the Gravemind, and Guilty Spark shifts to red after being enraged at the end of Halo 3

languid frost
#

:)

tawny fox
#

I remember watching one of the terminals in CEA and it showed a group of monitors having like a meeting or something where Spark was present.I assumed the color could be to recognize what installations they were assigned to

unique rune
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I don't think there's enough distinct colors for that to be particularly useful

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On top of that, Despondent Pyre and Adjutant Reflex have different colors despite being assigned to the same Installation so I doubt that lines up either

languid frost
tiny oracle
#

if blue team and noble team teamed up they would be unstoppable

pulsar ferry
#

Where are the foruners if they were put back to their home world after the halo array was fired

gilded mason
#

They left

visual lantern
#

The Halo CEA Terminals makes me feel very sorry for Guilty Spark, he just wanted someone to talk to.

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Being the sole caretaker of a galactic superweapon that can effectively wipe out all neurologically complex life within a 25,000 light-year radius for nearly 100,000 years can really put a strain on an ancilla's psyche. Poor Guilty Spark.

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Thoughts?

wooden jolt
#

Question about this section on Halopedia on the Ancient Human page

After a certain point, the Flood's rampage throughout human territory stopped. The Flood no longer infected humans and instead began to rapidly die out, with both humans and Forerunners sterilizing the remaining infestations.[16] Based on this pattern, the Forerunners came to the conclusion that humanity had discovered a cure for the Flood: according to Forerunner records, the humans sacrificed a third of their total population, implanting them with destructive, artificially programmed genes used to target the Flood on a genetic level. In reality, however, the Flood had receded by its own volition after the sacrifice; no truly functioning cure was ever created or used by humanity,[17] though both Forerunners and humans themselves remained under such illusion.

Has it ever been discussed why the Flood decided to recede for a time? It doesn't really make sense to me from a logical perspective. What was stopping it from consuming the galaxy then and there like it would go on to do later? Wouldn't that make more sense from a strategic standpoint as the Forerunners wouldn't have had the time to design the Halo Arrays or build Shield Worlds?

fair hazel
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To save humanity from being destroyed by the forerunners

versed helm
#

What can you teach me about sentients AI?

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AmongUsChief I'm siting on a gold mine and it's not valuable like money

versed helm
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I think it was kind of noble of the forerunners that instead of wiping out humanity they just de-evolved them. And after cleansing the galaxy they put every species back where it belonged when they had a chance to be the only intelligent species to rule the galaxy

gilded mason
versed helm
gilded mason
#

I'm simply saying devolving an entire species isn't quite noble.

versed helm
#

Maybe but its at least a second chance

versed helm
#

Have rookie I dieded

rare pivot
last anchor
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It was a second chance cause the Librarian said we were worth preserving to find out our resistance to the Flood
Without that the Didact probably would have happily purged us wholesale

wooden jolt
hazy shadow
#

That's the kind of response you have when you consider yourselves the holders of the Mantle of Responsibility. It's part of why the Precursors removed it from the Forerunners before they were wiped out by them. Hubris.

quaint narwhal
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I know a bit about the mantle of responsibility, but I just want it clarified.

The mantle of responsibility is basically just who is in charge of protecting life in the galaxy and protecting it from itself/outsiders right?

unique rune
#

Something along those lines, yeah

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Interpretations may vary a little depending on whoever currently claims it

last anchor
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In broad strokes, the most advance species is supposed to ensure life and diversity continues under themselves.
Interpretations of how thats handled varied

heady geyser
#

Yup those two answers sums up the mantle of responsibility

visual lantern
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Which makes me wonder, how many other species, besides the Precursors, were either wiped out or brought low by the Forerunners?

obtuse crow
simple cedar
#

Just read ghost of onyx,now I’m sad

obtuse crow
simple cedar
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The ending burial/Kurt’s death

obtuse crow
#

Ah.

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Kurt is a cool spartan.

simple cedar
#

Yeah

quaint narwhal
#

Do the Forerunners have a species name? Or is "Forerunner" literally the title of the species?

visual lantern
#

If the names for each Covenant species are Sangheili in origin, what do the various Covenant member species call themselves in their own languages?

unique rune
terse lava
#

Yeah at this point it seems "Forerunner" is the closest we will ever get to what they called themselves. Next closest I guess you could argue would be "Ghibalbians," seeing as their homeworld was Ghibalb.

obtuse crow
#

You could say that.

copper plover
#

How come we can’t just build a starship with a gigantic Spartan laser on the front

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That sounds really cool, like instead of a mac gun there’s this variant that charges and fires a massive beam of death

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I feel like it’d be efficient when accompanied by ships with macs

unique rune
#

So… like the new Mulsanne-class frigate and its Brightlance laser.

copper plover
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I’m talkin like just a massive Spartan laser

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The big zap

unique rune
#

That doesn’t seem much different from the Mulsanne’s main weapon

copper plover
#

Oh?

#

Now I’m Intrigued

unique rune
#

Big white-blue laser beam but it’s basically the same

dense falcon
#

It makes more sense for it to be white-blue, that means it's got more energy.

copper plover
#

That is the coolest thing I’ve ever seen, im glad it actually exist

dense falcon
#

Technically the Spartan laser could be upgraded to a blue/white variant as well to deal extra damage

copper plover
#

Why is my Spartan laser not in halo infinite

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Why are most things not in infinite

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It makes me sad

dense falcon
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It was replaced for the Skewer, one of the reasons was to combat just hiding to charge the laser and coming out at the last second.

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Now you gotta aim and give a glint at the enemy that you're armed and dangerous

copper plover
#

No, I want my Spartan laser

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It’s a big cool laser what’s not to love

unique rune
#

Getting instantly lasered off vehicle spawn usually

copper plover
#

As opposed to getting instakilled out of a banshee with no charge up?

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They’re both op vehicle killers

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Difference being the Spartan laser is cooler

dense falcon
#

Coolness is a subjective point of view

copper plover
#

Who will win, a really big toothpick, or a really cool laser

unique rune
#

The Banshee being made of paper in Infinite is a whole other thing

In general the Skewer has more stuff holding it back from instantly killing things from across the map due to its slow projectile travel time and drop

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Meanwhile the Splaser just deleted pretty much any vehicle from anywhere so long as you had line of sight

copper plover
#

Okay but the Spartan laser has 4 shots, and a lot of down time in between each shot, and there’s usually only one ever spawned

copper plover
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But I see what you mean

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I’m just saying I prefer it over the lame toothpick launcher, I want all the cool old guns back, and their cool varients

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Like what about the fuel rod cannon, the plasma rifle, what about the carbine etc

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Oh, this ain’t the chat for this

unique rune
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I just think it’s ironic we still have Gungnir helmets in Infinite despite the Splaser not being present

copper plover
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That’s what I’m sAYINNNN

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Plus it’s really cool

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I want my big cool laser gun back

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And also for the sniper rifle to not feel horrible but I don’t think that’s an option

heady geyser
terse lava
#

Perhaps, though I find missing with a laser far more disheartening than missing with a skewer

untold wasp
tawny fox
#

We only go missing in action

last anchor
#

Id be shocked if we didnt get the Laser at some point after a rebalance

unique rune
#

I'm still just hoping for a full auto plasma weapon

tawny fox
#

I wonder was there a specific reason why the storm rifle was dropped in favor of the pulse carbine in lore wise? Or is that just what the banished were able to get their hands on. Seeing as they also have stockpiled UNSC weapons in their arsenal

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The pulse carbine just seems like such a downgrade from both the storm rifle and the og plasma rifle

unique rune
#

It’s more likely the Banished still use full auto DERs, we just don’t see them for gameplay/resource reasons

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Also wouldn’t be surprised if the Pulse Carbine is canonically select fire and can switch between burst and full auto

tawny fox
#

I guess it makes sense canonically considering most of their weapons were scavenged from either the UNSC or Covenant it appears.

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I just wish it actually was full auto though

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Having the option to switch between burst and full auto would have been nice if this really is the case

carmine sleet
#

Bring in both the Plasma Rifle and Storm Rifle, with the Plasma Rifle serving as a plasma SMG type weapon and the Storm Rifle as a plasma assault rifle type weapon

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I do think that the pulse carbine is better after getting buffed but design wise it just looks a bit odd compared to other Covenant plasma weapons

unique rune
#

…Now that you say that, it does kinda bear more of a resemblance to Destiny’s Scout and Pulse Rifles than it does other Covenant firearms

carmine sleet
#

Aye, like it's lacking that bulbous look other Covenant weapons have

icy yoke
#

Lasers are hard because of substantial power demands but certainly containment battery tech improved from 2000 to 2500s

#

Using Moores law as metaphor example energy technology doesn't equate to same declining cost curves and energy density

pulsar ferry
#

Why don't the unsc use more nukes

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For example they could have nuked the covenant bases

carmine sleet
#

They have, multiple times

pulsar ferry
#

They could have nuked high charity in halo 2

carmine sleet
#

Not really, as far as I know, the In Amber Clad didn't carry any nukes during the events of Halo 2

simple cedar
unique rune
#

High Charity was probably far too big for anything short of a NOVA bomb to do any meaningful damage.

And in general nukes just aren’t the end all be all of weapons in the UNSC’s arsenal

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Not against the Covenant, at least

versed helm
#

The Flood, imo, is the most terrifying zombie infection entity in all of fiction.

untold wasp
#

ya

untold wasp
unique rune
#

correct

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it’s a bit silly

untold wasp
#

stupid grunt

carmine sleet
#

The Grunt tried to stop the Engineers

untold wasp
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i mean he made them more interested in it

obtuse crow
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EHHHH.

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IMO it’s up there.

quaint narwhal
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I feel like the Flood only get interesting when there is a gravemind.

Without it I feel like I am playing every other zombie game.

So disappointed that Halo 3 didn't give us a Gravemind boss fight. Honestly it sucks how few games actually push for boss battles (part of why I love Halo 2 so much.)

gusty star
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Or High Charity’s weapon systems

versed helm
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They’re now manned by brutes due to the elites being cast out and brutes aren’t really the smartest when it comes to military tactics, or at all, although, there are always exceptions

unique rune
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Jiralhanae or not, High Charity’s defense fleet is huge. It’d be hard to get a ship past in one piece, then get a nuke in somewhere that it’d do anything

carmine sleet
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You would need to have either an extremely good stealth ship or get real lucky and get teleported in like Chief was in Halo 2

last anchor
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The only reason In Amber Clad got in at all was Precursor slipspace weirdness.

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And the fact the Great Schism had broken out anyway yeah

tawny fox
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A nuke would probably only destroy like a portion of High Charity. Wasn’t it stated to be the around the size of a planet?

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One definitely wouldn’t be enough i know that

copper plover
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You’ve heard of, the mitochondria is the power house of the cell, now get ready for, The fusion reactor is the power house of the Mulsanne class frigate

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Oh hey what are we talking about

tawny fox
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But yeah like others here stated you’d have the massive fleet surrounding the outside and just about everything in between to deal with first

copper plover
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What about a really big laser

unique rune
tawny fox
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Ah yeah that’s more of what i was aiming at. Nevertheless it was big af lol

copper plover
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I remember seein high charity absolutely dwarfs this thing but I can’t remember

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What it was that is

unique rune
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Maybe the Keyship?

copper plover
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Well yeah, there was one inside high charity right

unique rune
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Y’know I don’t think people talk about how honking big the Mantle’s Approach canonically is often enough

copper plover
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Isn’t it like stupidly massive

gilded mason
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God, it's so ridiculously huge.

copper plover
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That didact fellow had an ego to match ISTG

unique rune
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Roughly 140km long, 140km wide, and 370km tall

copper plover
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See

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Now that’s just absurd

unique rune
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By comparison High Charity is 500km tall with a 350km diameter

carmine sleet
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Mantle's Approach definitely didn't need to be the size it is canonically

unique rune
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The Mantle’s Approach is also over a thousand times more massive than High Charity. Which I guess maybe makes some sense given the latter is mostly hollow space and a big long spindly tail

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Still utterly ridiculous

copper plover
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Isn’t it comparable to a light frigate in forerunner terms? I can’t remember where it sits in terms of forerunner naval prowess

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I remember reading that somewhere..

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Don’t remember

tawny fox
copper plover
tawny fox
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Too bad the UNSC didn’t have some of GDI or even NOD’s tech

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At least during the war

unique rune
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Considered to be the fastest and most heavily armed in their fleet.

terse lava
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Yeah, though it was still not the largest Forerunner vessel

unique rune
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I really don’t want to know what kind of ship they would’ve constructed even larger than the Mantle’s Approach

terse lava
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Well, there was that "Gargantum-class" transport ship that was used to make the make the Ark portal

obtuse crow
heady geyser
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What ever happened to the truth and reconciliation AI

feral granite
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Could be wrong.

tawny fox
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Cortana disabled it I think when they arrived at installation 04

heady geyser
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Never mind I found the answer on halopedia

feral granite
heady geyser
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No it says the AI was terminated when truth and reconciliation was destroyed by first lieutenant Melissa McKay

feral granite
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Ohhhhhhhhh

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I remember they talked I believe…

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Or was it the monitor?

heady geyser
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The AI and spark talked

forest prism
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Does free bird exist in the halo universe?

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Wait.

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Does the xbox exist?

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Or..

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Did it exist?

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I need help on this..

last anchor
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Probably and we dont know.
Microsoft exists as far as we can tell, 343 makes powered assault armor for operations in "shadow wars" in Seattle (which presumably involves people making bad comments about megacorps being thrown off large buildings or otherwise being publically "exampled" ala Shadowrun).

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Queen certainly exists, I dont see why other classical music (by 2500s standards) wouldnt exist.

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But humanity has to the surprise of no one invented entirely new forms of music by then.

high fox
unique rune
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I'm... pretty sure they don't.

high fox
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Well they are capable of slipspace travel and have some of if not the largest weapon capabilities any space faring object could have so there is an argument to be made

pulsar ferry
gilded mason
versed helm
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@crystal schooner mendicant and offensive> ez diff the star wars verse

golden pulsar
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Alright

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Hear me out

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I know this is the wrong universe

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But think star wars

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Now think current events

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The green comet

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And the death star firing

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🤨🤔

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I'm just saying

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Unless andor is close by

terse lava
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It...it's just a comet

golden pulsar
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I think well die

gilded mason
terse lava
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Besides, Andor wasn't even targeted by the Death Star

golden pulsar
gilded mason
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So you're just talking about Star Wars without trying to tie it in with Halo at all?

golden pulsar
terse lava
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@gilded mason because the Comet is actually the flood-infected High Charity. During its trip to the ark, it briefly left slipspace due to the damages before carrying on

golden pulsar
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Ok

gilded mason
terse lava
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shame I have not had the chance to see it yet

golden pulsar
terse lava
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wait what?

golden pulsar
golden pulsar
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Now he's onto something

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Lol

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I'm just kidding

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Its cool tho bc it's coming around at the time we are on earth

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Last time people saw it was 50000 years ago

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Cool opportunity

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Ok, for me its gn but idk for yall. Imma just say gn anyways

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Gn

terse lava
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goodnight

eager ibex
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Hey are jackals known to have sided with elites during the schism

junior rivet
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Probably

eager ibex
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Ok

versed helm
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And the prophets clearly had more profits.

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(See what I did there?)

eager ibex
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Nice

dark coyote
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funny

eager ibex
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....what

dense falcon
high fox
# golden pulsar But think star wars

In legends in a sort of “what if “ Han and chewie visit earth in what I believe is in North America and they find native Americans in full control of the land untouched by colonists so that’s about a 600+ year difference between Star Wars and Halo

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So it’s safe to assume the two franchises may be in the same universes but haven’t connected yet or they exist in separate universes

unique rune
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So it’s safe to assume the two franchises may be in the same universes but haven’t connected yet
Why would you ever assume that at all

gusty star
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Bruh

boreal bane
boreal bane
terse lava
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was a neat read, though I admit was kinda hoping for more

tawny fox
high fox
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That would make a good book

unique rune
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Born from the ashes of a failed AI uprising, the CHIMERA core offers a unique vision of a potentially dangerous digital future where artificial minds and augmented bodies become one.
This sounds… potentially interesting?

raven moat
boreal bane
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Ooh

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Nice find

safe hawk
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If anyone would like to VC about halo, anytime… lmk

golden pulsar
heady geyser
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Anything new coming down the lore pipeline

boreal bane
humble yacht
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not a planet

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I mean, i guess it might be possible to target a single person on a planet if the death star looks really closely

lament coyote
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Ain't andor the star wars show or something?

versed helm
lament coyote
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glassing reach ended unemployment on the planet

versed helm
high fox
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Call 1-800.glass to glass a neighboring planet today

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Buy one now and get another one free

grizzled crown
high fox
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What in the world does this have to do with halo

dense falcon
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Probably some original character nonsense

last anchor
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Nothing good I assume

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Most OCs require a firm Halo Fanon wire brush before they start to make sense I’ve found

swift urchin
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Im making the Tech and looking to onboard executives

last anchor
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Uhuh

heady geyser
high fox
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In fact we’ll throw in an extra large glassing free that’s right free

steep ether
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So call 1-800-glass today! That’s 1-800-glass to glass a neighboring planet!

fervent compass
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Disclaimer: We are not responsible for any injuries, illnesses, deaths or genocides caused by a glassing

wispy prawn
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talk to your doctor to see if they recommend a glassing

verbal pollen
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known side effects include, dizziness, nausea, hot flashes, irritated skin, mass extinction, and, in some cases, death

flat kernel
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also includes glass

versed helm
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halo 4 is bad

tawny fox
heady geyser
versed helm
# heady geyser Why you think halo 4 is bad

Because 343 industries changed the aliens looks which also meant grunt didn't have their squeaky voice, and elites didn't have their arrow dynamic armor and jackals just looked weird and hunters appeared like only 3 times and there were no brutes.

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NO BRUTES

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WHY

vestal socket
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Because chief is on a forerunner world why would there be covenant peoples

dense falcon
# versed helm NO BRUTES

After the great schism the Elites and Brutes still hated each other, to the point where there were Jiralhanae slaves in Sanghelios.

On Halo 4 you're fighting against a Sangheili-led organization, I don't think they'd want Brutes bringing dishonor to their faction after the events of Halo 2/3 (Remember Elites take honor very seriously).

heady geyser
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^ this the perfect answer

unique rune
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Brutes were also lame as hell to play against and Bungie never seemed to be able to figure out how to make them work

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in 2 and Reach they're bullet sponges outside of filling them with needle ammo and in 3 they're just blander Elites

last anchor
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Dont remind me of the ones in 2...ugh.

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And their head hitboxes

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Especially when charging.

unique rune
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I dunno if 343's quite figured them out with Infinite either because they're also just kinda... there.

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With that said.

It is still entirely possible that Jul's Covenant may have included some Jiralhanae personnel, we just don't properly see them in-game.

The tactical simulator framing Spartan Strike includes some Chieftains as part of their lineup on their mission to retrieve the Conduit at Installation 03. Given that it's a simulation, it's possible this represents a modification of the events made by UNSC, but it's also possible that there may have been some Jiralhanae within their ranks.

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The easy assumption is that there were none, but the Sangheili-Jiralhanae split wasn't 100% cleanly divided, with some of the latter serving under Sangheili in various roles.

heady geyser
unique rune
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in 2 and Reach
I did mention that yes

atomic fern
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So what to know before i play halo 4? Like things that happened leading to the events of the campaigns of halo 4, 5, ig halo wars 1 and 2, and infinite

unique rune
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Not really much

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Anyone who tells you that you "need" to read the Kilo-Five and Forerunner novel trilogies has almost certainly never read either

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If you're going right into Halo 4 all you really need is the ending of Halo 3

obtuse crow
heady geyser
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Who would win in a fight a Spartan II, III or IV, for me I would pick the spartan II because they’re better trained and have more experience

obtuse crow
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Spartan IV’s for the most part are just augmented marines and Odsts.

unique rune
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That doesn’t mean anything, they’re still heavily augmented to be on par with previous generations.

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Like what even are the terms of this fight

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Armored, unarmored, guns, etc

obtuse crow
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they aren’t on par at all with previous generations, maybe in armor they are but a fight between those 3 generations would likely end up with the II winning.

unique rune
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If we’re talking bare naked no gear fighting I’d wager a Spartan-III would come out on top

heady geyser
obtuse crow
unique rune
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No, because the Spartan-IIs are on paper inferior to Spartan-IIIs

obtuse crow
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what.

unique rune
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The latter received effectively the same exact augmentations as the S-IIs with improved training

obtuse crow
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In a bare naked fight, a spartan II mops the floor against both the S3 and S4 at the same time.

unique rune
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Ah, yes, the delusion that Spartan-IIs are somehow “just better” than its successor programs despite being in many regards a mildly faulty prototype

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No Spartan is an incapable warrior but the Spartan-IIs are not somehow leagues ahead of -IIIs and -IVs like people seem to think they are

atomic fern
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So what about reasons for the covenant being there in halo 4? And other things like prometheans

unique rune
obtuse crow
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The thing is that they are, A SII has had more combat experience than both along with S3s augmentations are primarily chemical, S2s are augmented with more mechanical augmentations.. im not even gonna talk about the S4s because this is a fight between the S2s and Threes.

unique rune
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The augmentations being physical instead of chemical means nothing.

atomic fern
unique rune
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Kurt literally remarks that what the S-IIIs receive are a “quantum leap” over what he and the other Spartan-IIs got

unique rune
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The campaign itself should more or less answer why the Prometheans are there as long as you’re paying attention

atomic fern
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So all I need to know before halo 4 in terms of events leading up to it are that the covenant are now different factions

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And that it just carries from halo 3's ending

unique rune
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More or less

atomic fern
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And what about this didact character?

unique rune
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That is also something the campaign itself covers

obtuse crow
atomic fern
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K then

atomic fern
obtuse crow
atomic fern
obtuse crow
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oh dang, I suggest if you can read it to do so.

obtuse crow
unique rune
# atomic fern No, and what is that?

Novel trilogy, explores stuff hundreds of thousands of years before the events of the Halo games. Helps add context to a lot of stuff with the Didact and Librarian but not required reading.

atomic fern
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W8, librarian? Who that

unique rune
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Another Forerunner character, don’t worry about them for now

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Once again all I can recommend for now is to just play through Halo 4’s campaign and pay attention because it pretty much covers all the bases you need

obtuse crow
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May I bring up the fact that the S2 candidates were also selected from extremely gifted children making them even better than how the S3s were just bloodlusted Orphans.

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An S2 would mop the floor with most S3s.

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I mean, look at John for example.

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he took down 3 odsts post augs.

unique rune
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An S-III could’ve easily done that as well if inclined

obtuse crow
unique rune
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Yeah and an S-III could do that too

obtuse crow
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But let’s move on from John because the plot armor is high with this one.

unique rune
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the -IIs aren’t that special

obtuse crow
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Let’s go to Linda!!

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Linda was able to snipe 2 targets so quick that John couldn’t tell which one she shot first.

unique rune
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I mean the problem we’re getting to now is data set size

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we barely have any information on individual Spartan-III feats like we do the -IIs
the latter of which have been very thoroughly explored over the past twenty years

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Meanwhile all we know about most of S-III is that 600 or so are dead

obtuse crow
unique rune
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That was literally not how those missions worked

obtuse crow
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It really was, the S3s are made to be expendable as possible.

unique rune
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No they weren’t

obtuse crow
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yeah, they really were.

unique rune
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If they were supposed to be as expendable as possible then they wouldn’t have been made at all

obtuse crow
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“The Spartan-IIIs were designed to be cheap and expendable.” Coming straight from halopedia.

unique rune
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Expendable compared to the Spartan-IIs

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They were still equipped and augmented and trained the best they could be under tighter budget and time restraints to bring back as many as they could from missions

obtuse crow
unique rune
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The fact that Spartan-II was nightmarishly expensive and low-yield?

obtuse crow
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no, that compared to an S2; S3s are expendable.

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that’s why again, an S2 will defeat an S3.

unique rune
#

Spartan-II fanboyism will be the death of me

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I like the Spartan-IIs 'n all but good lord they are overrated to the moon and back

obtuse crow
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“Out of those Spartan-IIIs withdrawn from their companies, many were equipped with MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor and deployed similarly to the Spartan-IIs rather than on suicide missions like their peers.” Suicide missions, my point is that S3s are expendable and S2s are winning this fight against both the S3 plus the S4.

gilded mason
unique rune
#

On paper they were intended to be more expendable but that doesn't change that the final "product" is on par with, if not superior to, that of the Spartan-II program

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By Kurt's own admission
One of the literal actual Spartan-IIs

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Their training and augmentation programs were superior

gilded mason
#

The point is that SIIs weren't able to be used on such high-risk missions from higher-ups because there were so few. So many SIIIs meant they could be used on missions that the brass were scared to send SIIs on

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This doesn't mean that the SIIIs were worse

obtuse crow
unique rune
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I'm pretty sure in SPI they might've actually been able to swim
MJOLNIR's just too damn heavy

obtuse crow
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eh.

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Maybe.

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“The SPI armor is not as bulky or as heavy as the Mjolnir armor,[10] although the plating material is also less durable: Kelly-087 dented a Spartan-III's chest plate with her fist when first encountering the Spartan-IIIs.[11]”

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Seems so.

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Maybe they can swim.

versed helm
unique rune
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I mean. We're dealing with a Brute-led faction in Infinite. I dunno what you were expecting.

versed helm
unique rune
#

...And the Elites in other Halo titles weren't...?

versed helm
#

It was no spam

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oh well

last anchor
# gilded mason I know, right

THE BEST OF THE BESt, THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME, THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL-
Am I talking about the Spartan-IIs, or the Ultramarines?

last anchor
# obtuse crow Maybe they can swim.

Spartans dont need to swim.
MJLONIR is rated for both space and aquatic operations. A Spartan merely sinks to the floor of the lake or river and strides across it powerfully using their armor's power assist and biological strength to fight whatever current might be present, like the skeletons in Curse of the Black Pearl.

last anchor
obtuse crow
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It’s a must.

last anchor
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YOU say that.
Tactical flexibility and combat effectiveness says otherwise.

obtuse crow
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opinion denied, Spartans must have the ability to swim or are deemed sea fodder.

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Joking.

last anchor
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Mmm.
That being said I would love to see more Oceanic (from Gen 2) in the lore.

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I love the visor on that thing.

obtuse crow
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Yes.

verbal pollen
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Weren't SIIs augmentation a little bit more hardcore and effective since they did it at a younger age and, since they didn't tell anyone, they didn't have to worry about ethics and drama and sidefects and stuff

last anchor
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Technically the IIIs were even younger than the IIs were, but their augmenations werent as extensive

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Which resulted, overall, in a higher input to output ratio; augmentation success for the IIIs was almost 100% right from the getgo and by the time of Gamma company they had achieved perfect success.

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Meanwhile the IIs hovered at about a coin-flip. 75 in give or take, 33 out

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Of those ones that washed out there were later rehabilitations of course but we dont know all the details of that just yet

verbal pollen
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Of the 33 that it worked for, were they much stronger than the SIIIs, or was technology advanced enough where they could have augmentation that not only had a higher success rate, but was also as or more effective?

gilded mason
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The latter

verbal pollen
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interesting, thanks

last anchor
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It continued on into S-IV, where advancements in MJLONIR tech allowed the augmentation process to be scaled back even further to be less invasive, with the armor picking up a lot of the slack.
Canonically, an S-IV in Gen 2 is equal in capability to a S-II in GEN 1

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This is why Cheif and Locke fought on even ground, more or less.
Chiefs expereince won him the day however.

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Relatedly, an S-II in Gen 3 is a terrifying thought, and as close to a Space Marine as any non-40k series has ever gotten

flat kernel
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Jorge, who was a big guy even for a spartan II, in gen 3 armour that is specialized for strength is very scary.

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Too bad he stood too close to a slip space rupture