lore-and-universe

[gilded mason]

Leader of the Swords of Sanghelios, to clarify

[thorny pivot]

Here's one I wish were true. Is it possible for Elites to join the UNSC or ONI or no?

[zealous bison]

Definitely not ONI

[thorny pivot]

Oh?

[zealous bison]

ONI hates the elites

[gilded mason]

Kinda yes, ONI

There's at least one elite we know of that's on their payroll

[thorny pivot]

I'd half expect ONI would have some respect for the Elite since after the war against Truth.

[drowsy mesa]

Ayit 'Sevi

[fair path]

They somewhat do
In the training stations where Halo 5's Breakout games take place, some Elites are said to practice there too

[zealous bison]

ONI tried to kill Arby after the war ended

[drowsy mesa]

And some SOS Sangheili are present on Anvil Station

[thorny pivot]

We don't talk about Locke.

[gilded mason]

Yup

[fair path]

ONI pretty much caused the Shangeilios war

[thorny pivot]

He's a throw away bootleg police officer

[low current]

bruh 💀

[gilded mason]

There was also 24 SoS agents aboard the Infinity. Hopefully they survived.

[drowsy mesa]

????

[thorny pivot]

What?

[fair path]

Locke is the second best Halo 5 new character (not that there's much competition)
Only behind Exuberant Witness

[thorny pivot]

Locke is the most boring character. Waifu Vale and Buck are great.

[fair path]

Tanaka > Vale

[thorny pivot]

God no.

[zealous bison]

Locke is a piece of cardboard that only neat thing is that he tried to kill arby one time

[fair path]

He just like Noble Team fr

[gilded mason]

He's basically Halo 2 Chief. 😔

[thorny pivot]

If you kill Arby, you're killing a piece of my soul.

[fair path]

Basically he's Noble Six but you see his face

[thorny pivot]

Lol.

There are renders of 6's face out there.

[zealous bison]

Noble 6 had way more personality than Locke

[thorny pivot]

Rookie has more personality than Locke.

[fair path]

With the 5 lines of dialogue he has in the game?

[zealous bison]

6 just rarely talked

[thorny pivot]

I miss Rookie...

[unique rune]

literal blank slate nobodies have more character than an actual character
absolutely insane takes in here today

[golden pulsar]

Ya. Fr

[fair path]

I cannot call that a personality
I mean Locke is boring but at least I can make a personality out of him
With Noble Six and Rookie you could replace them with robots and the stories of their games would go unchanged

[thorny pivot]

Rookie is a CHAD.

[unique rune]

Locke is maybe a little boring but B312 and the Rookie are straight up just character voids

[zealous bison]

Their personalities were shown by action not talking

[unique rune]

...What personalities? What actions?

[fair path]

Rookie has many memorable lines such as "hmpgh" and "agh!"

[unique rune]

Shooting aliens good?

[thorny pivot]

You could say the same thing about Chief.

[unique rune]

That's not a personality, that's just doing their job

[gilded mason]

he just like me fr

[gilded mason]

Chief tends to be bad as well

[fair path]

The only one who is slightly humanized in Reach is Jorge, the rest are all military talk and pure business

[thorny pivot]

Tru. He do be a little cringe here and there.

[unique rune]

Chief has had issues with his character depiction but we actually do have examples of expressive animation and dialogue from him

[thorny pivot]

Where'd he get that grenade?

[gilded mason]

H2 Chief was probably his lowest point

CE John was great, though

Best armor, too

[thorny pivot]

Ce John was cursed with the animation.

God forbid I ever see CE's garbage anniversary graphics again.

[fair path]

That's why most people prefer the Arbiter over Chief when they get asked what their favorite character in the series is
Because Arbiter has a clear personality and he's a character of his own

[zealous bison]

Rookie and 6 aleast fit the story of the game they are in

Locke doesn’t fit any where

[unique rune]

Locke fits into 5's story just fine, the hell are you talking about

[fair path]

Locke does fit, it's the rest of Fireteam Osiris the ones that don't fit

[thorny pivot]

Who was the chick in the Nightfall that escaped the damaged ring with the Hunter swarm?

[gilded mason]

I never want to see another Spartan again. 😌

[unique rune]

Pretty much nothing the Rookie does in ODST is particularly "necessary" to its story, could easily be replaced with one of his teammates with his absolute lack of anything

[thorny pivot]

I could say the same thing about the Elites but I love them too much as a enemy/ ally type.

[fair path]

I agree
Many people have criticized how the games are almost always centered around Spartans and it's going stale
We need a change of pace

[gilded mason]

I wanna play as a jackal.

[thorny pivot]

RiP Rookie, he was a real G. Sniff

[unique rune]

Still waiting for Unggoy Farmer to be real

Someday

[thorny pivot]

Grabs nearby DMR

[fair path]

I gotta respect 343 for at least giving closure to the character of the Rookie
I can asure you if this was still Bungie we wouldn't have seen or known anything about the Rookie ever again

[thorny pivot]

Wasn't his death an accident by one of his friends in an Insurrectionist hostage takeover or somethin'?

[unique rune]

no

[zealous bison]

He got shot in the head and then one of his teammates joins the people who shot him

[fair path]

He was executed quite intentionally

[unique rune]

He was shot after getting captured by a Insurrectionist cell

[thorny pivot]

Oh.

[unique rune]

Nothing about it was an accident

[thorny pivot]

I must've forgotten the deets then.

[unique rune]

clearly

[thorny pivot]

Damn, someone's salty.

[unique rune]

After these past couple of hours of takes maybe a little

[thorny pivot]

They're tru tho.

🙂

[fair path]

Do you guys remember when Guilty Spark said to the Chief in The Library (Halo CE) that his current combat skin was ineffective to fight the Flood and he should update to a level 12 one?
Well, we did see a level 12 combat skin later, that being the Didact's armor

[drowsy mesa]

Rookie gets captured and use as meat shield
Mickey tries to kill the Innie, but hesitates for a second
The Innie executes the Rookie
Dutch kills the Innie with a Shotgun

[thorny pivot]

Ahh

[zealous bison]

Mickey later joins Innie

[fair path]

Yeah alpha 9 pretty much got dissolved after that event

[thorny pivot]

Which one was mickey? Sorry, haven't played ODST in a bit.

[unique rune]

...Was it confirmed that the Didact's combat skin is Class-12?

Feels like it should be a higher rating given his original station

[gilded mason]

All we know is that John needed at least a 12, right?

[fair path]

I thought 12 was THE highest

[drowsy mesa]

The one who loves explosives (red stripes)

[unique rune]

Yeah, 12 was the minimum that Spark advised at the time.

[thorny pivot]

Ok, yep, I know his face, thx

[fair path]

If I remember correctly, the Forerunners in normal conditions wore class-8 skins

[thorny pivot]

I remember the rumor that Arby killed 6, classy Halo.

[gilded mason]

God, that was such a silly rumor

[thorny pivot]

It was stupid but funny.

[gilded mason]

On the same level of Six somehow surviving

[unique rune]

No Ostral don't you understand
he's left handed
he's the Arbiter

definitely the Arbiter because he's left handed

this makes sense I swear

[drowsy mesa]

In a cave

[gilded mason]

lmfao

[thorny pivot]

6 was a bih. jk, I'm a fan of silent protags.

[fair path]

He got killed by multiple Elites
If anything, Arbiter would only have had an assistance

[zealous bison]

Arby isn’t left handed

[gilded mason]

That's what makes it even funnier

[thorny pivot]

I was about to say that I'm left handed it's a dream come tru

[drowsy mesa]

Arby was pursuing the Autumn

[thorny pivot]

Yep

[fair path]

Arbiter isn't left handed, but Spartan Jun is

[fair path]

I know

[zealous bison]

In all the cutscenes he holds his sword in the right hand

[thorny pivot]

Weird

Could be a rushed mistake back in 07

[drowsy mesa]

EXCEPT in the last CGI cutscene in H2A

[thorny pivot]

05*-

[fair path]

We gotta understand that Lone Wolf takes place quite a few hours after Pillar of Autumn
So, by the time he's getting rekt Halo CE is already starting

[thorny pivot]

Huh.

[fair path]

Which is not canon anymore since Halo 5 replaced it with another cutscene

[drowsy mesa]

CE starts 20 days AFTER Lone Wolf

[gilded mason]

Slipspace takes time to travel through, after all

[fair path]

Days are hours too aren't they

[thorny pivot]

Kinda' wish the events of H5 weren't canon. Story was garbo.

Arby looked sick asf tho

[fair path]

Franchises are roses that have to keep growing, with their thorns and all

[zealous bison]

Other than his face

[thorny pivot]

What's wrong with the dino's face?

[gilded mason]

I do hope that they can introduce facial/color variety in aliens for the next game.

[drowsy mesa]

The "it can poke his eyes" excuse

[fair path]

People hate the Halo 4 Elites for some reason
They look awesome

[unique rune]

For all my issues with Halo 5 I wish 343 had actually just committed themselves to what they had left themselves with instead of Infinite seemingly just abandoning all the Reclaimer Saga-y stuff wholesale

[zealous bison]

Teeth stabbing them in the eyes

[thorny pivot]

I'm that one person that actually like H4 too. 😄

[thorny pivot]

I never heard of that escuse.

[unique rune]

I don't think 5's overall plot is even that bad honestly
Just needs a bit of fine tuning

[zealous bison]

I like the designs other than the eyes getting stabbed by their own teeth

[thorny pivot]

My English is dying. Hlep.

[thorny pivot]

It feels too retcon

[fair path]

It's been clear that 343 tries very hard to please the fans, but the consequence of that is abandoning their original ideas
Halo 5 barely follows the events of Halo 4 because of all the fans that criticized its story back in the day
And similarly, Infinite barely follows Halo 5
In fact, the only returning character from Halo 5, aside the Chief and Cortana, is Lasky, who you only hear in audio logs

[gilded mason]

Halsey?

[zealous bison]

Lasky is one of the best 343 Characters

[thorny pivot]

As the old saying goes "Halo 5 made Halo 4 look good.

[thorny pivot]

Well, he did meet Chief as a teen.

[fair path]

I hate that phrase because Halo 4 is good, was always good and it shines on its own

[gilded mason]

Wait, how's that make him a good character?

[thorny pivot]

Exactly. People just hate because "Bungie didn't make it, etc

[fair path]

Characterization
Please watch the Halo 4 epilogue again, it's one of the best scenes in the franchise

[thorny pivot]

Just a fact I remember from the series

[zealous bison]

I thought 4 was good for many reasons

[gilded mason]

You misunderstand me. I just meant how does the fact that he met John as a teen make somebody a good character.

[fair path]

Oh it doesn't
That's just a fun fact

[gilded mason]

👌

[thorny pivot]

Wrong PM. Truthfully, I think I might've read it wrong at this point

[gilded mason]

For me, I didn't like it because it was very human-centric with no alien allies.

[versed helm]

Wait where is lasky

[thorny pivot]

Zeta Halo

[versed helm]

oh

[thorny pivot]

Surviving the Banished assault with the rest prolly

[versed helm]

Is 2401 penitent tangent still active and alive

[thorny pivot]

Prolly

[versed helm]

I hope

[thorny pivot]

We know Spark is still alive

He's now re seeding the primordials

i think

[versed helm]

The what?

[gilded mason]

Precursors

[versed helm]

Is spark back in his monitor form?

[fair path]

I have my issues with that but considering the circumstances I at least understand why it's like that
Halo Reach returned to the Halo CE roots when the Covenant was nothing but your enemy
Halo 4 follows from the tone of Reach, and having everyone who is not a human works to present the feeling of loneliness
For the first half of the game, John and Cortana are alone on an alien planet without allies, it's a subtle sparkle of cosmic horror I'm saying

[zealous bison]

Based off of concept art Lasky is captured by the Banished

[gilded mason]

But nah, a different Composed Forerunner is doing that

[gilded mason]

He's got a modified Armiger body

[versed helm]

oh. Still? That's lame.

What about 000 tragic solitude.

[thorny pivot]

No, he's been given a new form. Promethian soldier-esc.

[fair path]

In certain ways Lasky is similar to Johnson
They have a very high rank, they knew the Chief from quite a long time, they both hold great respect for him and they lived to see the beginning of new wars
Key difference being their age, Johnson was old and Lasky is young

[versed helm]

That's dumb

[thorny pivot]

Spark is now with the Librarian in seeding new life

[fair path]

I know it sounds dumb but trust me the novel is great

[versed helm]

I haven't read it yet

[thorny pivot]

I've been told it is great

[fair path]

Basically his character found redemption

[versed helm]

Do y'all know about 000 tragic solitude

[gilded mason]

he ded

[thorny pivot]

i do miss Spark even though he's annoying

[versed helm]

wut

000 tragic solitude died

[gilded mason]

Yup

[versed helm]

How

[zealous bison]

He still killed Johnson though

[gilded mason]

I forget, lmao. It was in Hunters in the Dark.

[versed helm]

NOOO BUT I LOVE MONITERS

[thorny pivot]

2401 Penitent Tangent went completely insane lol

[fair path]

Can't forgive that

[versed helm]

what about the sub moniter of installation 07

[thorny pivot]

Johnson had it coming

jk

[versed helm]

how

[fair path]

Graveminds are even scarier in the canon than it seems
The physical damage they can do to you is nothing compared to the mental damage
A Gravemind can make you commit suicide just by talking to you

[thorny pivot]

If you seen the Gravemind Cutscene. (Best cutscene ever) You'll see why.

Keymind are worse

[versed helm]

there's more than one?

[thorny pivot]

yes. they are like the necromorphs

[versed helm]

bruh

[fair path]

Yeah
The Halo CE proto Gravemind would have become a Gravemind if it wasn't destroyed
And of course the one in Halo 2 is a different one

[gilded mason]

Keyminds are any Flood form capable of coordinating other flood forms. Graveminds are the most advanced form of Keyminds.

[versed helm]

I am so lost

[thorny pivot]

I'm keep relating Keyminds to what they look like compared with the Brethren Moons from Dead Space

[zealous bison]

Yes and no all Graveminds are part of the flood hive mind

[versed helm]

So if a whole new flood outbreak happens there would be another gravemind

[gilded mason]

Every Gravemind is the same consciousness, too.

[thorny pivot]

yes

[fair path]

If they get enough biomass yes

[thorny pivot]

Installation 04 almost had a gravemind

[zealous bison]

The same consciousness since the first gravemind

[thorny pivot]

Damn precursors

[fair path]

It makes me think really how the Gravemind managed to move from the bottom of Delta Halo to High Charity
Or if it didn't and its tentacles are just that long

[thorny pivot]

I never thought about that

[zealous bison]

Like a worm probably

[thorny pivot]

product of a rush game ig

rushed*-

[versed helm]

So the original flood used to be precursors so does that mean that the gravemind conciseness used to be a precursors?

[gilded mason]

Yes

[zealous bison]

Yes

[thorny pivot]

basically make us whole

[versed helm]

wha

[fair path]

The flood is what remains of them

[gilded mason]

One Precursor in particular: the Primordial.

[thorny pivot]

lol i need to stop referencing dead space itll confuse people

[versed helm]

How did you all find this out

[zealous bison]

The flood is a precursor gone rogue

[gilded mason]

The Forerunner trilogy lays it all out

[versed helm]

Damn I need to read it. Is it the books

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[versed helm]

Ok thanks

[thorny pivot]

halo fans are just that dedicated

[fair path]

In a not very subtle metaphor of Adam and Eve from the bible
Conflict in the Halo Universe began because the Forerunners rebeled against their creators

[thorny pivot]

pretty much all life is thanks to theprimordials

[versed helm]

Bruh dumb forerunners

[gilded mason]

The Primordial is one particular dude.

[thorny pivot]

ahh

[unique rune]

I keep meaning to get caught up on the Rion Forge stuff with Spark ‘n all that but I also feel like I should re-read the Forerunner trilogy beforehand. And I have… yet to do that.

[thorny pivot]

breh

[versed helm]

Also what's the lore behind the endless

[zealous bison]

Technically the flood is impossible to fully kill because the flood conciseness is in a domain like state

[gilded mason]

Also what's the lore behind the endless
We don't really know yet

[thorny pivot]

shes just part of a race that can live through a halo firing

[versed helm]

And all the samples on the rings and artificial planets

[thorny pivot]

thats all

[fair path]

What we know so far is that the Endless are an enemy to the Forerunners
Being a species that can survive the firing of a Halo ring

[thorny pivot]

youre practically playing god at that point

[fair path]

The Flood will eventually win
We can't defeat them, we can just delay their victory

[versed helm]

Yeah. How did other species survive the first halo ring firing

[thorny pivot]

they didnt

they were reseeded thanks to the librarian

[versed helm]

Then how did the elites and others live?

Oh

Ok

[fair path]

You played Infinite campaign?

[unique rune]

Samples were stored in repositories like the Ark and reintroduced after the Halo array was fired

[versed helm]

Yes

[fair path]

Remember the cylixes in the second mission?

[thorny pivot]

if the flood broke loose, you would have a very bad time keeping that ring unde control

[versed helm]

What? Like those cards with all the species

[thorny pivot]

yes

[fair path]

Yep, those

[versed helm]

Ok those hold samples?

[fair path]

That's how species were reborn
But yeah, when the rings were fired all life went poof

[thorny pivot]

If 4 rings fired, it would be the equivalent to an entire galaxy

[versed helm]

Ok so if they have cylixes then they could reseed forerunners right?

[gilded mason]

They specifically didn't get that done to themselves

[versed helm]

why

[zealous bison]

Guilt

[gilded mason]

They felt they didn't deserve it

[thorny pivot]

shield worlds would protect them from the array

[versed helm]

Oh yeah

[fair path]

In a moment of mild redemption, they chose to die
We do know some that survived like the Didact, and probably many more did, we will know in the future

[thorny pivot]

even then the shield arrays would house the flood

[zealous bison]

Forerunners decided to die off

[versed helm]

ok then

[thorny pivot]

THe Forerunners were idiots

[fair path]

Man imagine studying a scientific career in the forerunner times
With how advanced they were, I pity those poor students

[thorny pivot]

god pretenders that gave us an advantage

[versed helm]

Flood are really dangerous. If there was another outbreak with how little banished. Covenant, and the unsc is left, they would all die

[thorny pivot]

The flood can infect world in weeks to months if unprotected

worlds*

[fair path]

It's also important to mention that the Didact we saw in Halo 4 was not exactly healthy in the mental department
He went, well, crazy

[versed helm]

agreed

[zealous bison]

Unless the rings are fired again and the galaxy reseeded

[thorny pivot]

The Proto-Didact (Forgot the Name sorry) was a chad

[zealous bison]

And no flood samples are kept

[versed helm]

No there is still flood samples

[fair path]

That's how they destroyed Requiem
They tricked the system into thinking there was a Flood infection on the planet, and as its defensive method, Requiem just kinda flew itself into the sun

[thorny pivot]

Yeeeeah

Imagine the flood pretended to aide us again

[zealous bison]

Can’t Forerunner metal survive the heat of a sun?

[thorny pivot]

idk

[versed helm]

oh god

[fair path]

Doesn't seem like it

[versed helm]

That would be so dumb

[gilded mason]

Recent lore blurbs are trying to imply Requiem might still be out there.

So

[fair path]

Then again, as the Halo 3 flamethrower proved, fire is good against the Flood

[thorny pivot]

Oh man if only the halo canon actually existed oh wait

We need Halsey to exist

[unique rune]

343 never should’ve yeeted Requiem into Epoloch in the first place
What a stupid decision

[versed helm]

I NEED TO READ THE BOOKS

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[thorny pivot]

At least I know the stars name now

[fair path]

It's the result of the rushed writing Spartan Ops had
They quite literally, didn't know how to finish the story

[gilded mason]

Yup

[versed helm]

Why did grunts not have there methane masks in halo 5 and 4

[zealous bison]

What ever happened to the key thing that showed all the locations of forerunner stuff

[thorny pivot]

I'm still waiting for Spartan Ops to have match making its dead without it

[unique rune]

Cannot believe a whole professional writing team could not think of something better than “lol sun go brrr”

[thorny pivot]

lol

[fair path]

They have a tube that connects into their nose and that's how they breathe now

[versed helm]

oh

Bruh halo 4 bald grunt looked weird

[thorny pivot]

The masks were better. Hid their ugly gop

[gilded mason]

Concluded in Escalation in the only way it ever could have gone: the key zapped from the story, ending the storyline.

[versed helm]

Yeah

[gilded mason]

Because the Absolute Record could have never actually gone to plan. That would have just been an awful thing for the canon

[fair path]

Heretic Elites looked so cool with their mining armor
I would have used that in Halo 3 multiplayer

[gilded mason]

So they probably never should have started it in the first place lol

[versed helm]

I'm leaving goodbye

[thorny pivot]

343, make it happen! >:C

cya

[fair path]

Good thing they learned and in Halo 5 they made firefight without a story

[zealous bison]

So more of 343 starting a story and then finishing it in a book

[thorny pivot]

It didnt last that long though

Who's still waiting for playable Elites in Halo: Half-baked Edition?

[gilded mason]

I'll always be waiting

[thorny pivot]

same

At least I get to play as the split-jaws in Reach and 2/ 3.

mans writing a lecture damn

[fair path]

Halo has a serious problem with its villains
Either they suck or only appear once
Halo 2 has great, excellent villains
In Halo 3 tho, Truth is stinky and Gravemind is, there
Halo 4's Didact is cool but "Press RT to fire the machine gun" and he yeets, lame
The Warden and Cortana in Halo 5? Ehhhh
And Infinite has Escharum, who we only fight once, rest of the game he just talks to us
Atriox is cool but he was absent for almost all of Infinite
And the games I didn't mention don't even have a main villain

[gilded mason]

CE's main antagonist was Guilty Spark.

[fair path]

I guess Spark is a dynamic character
Its boss fight in Halo 3 wasn't very good but it did feel satisfying to kill it, and in gameplay that is
Didact take notes

[thorny pivot]

I was right lol

[unique rune]

Halo 5’s composed Didact concept art makes me sad that we’ll probably never see something like it

[thorny pivot]

Spark was just using us.

[gilded mason]

😔

[thorny pivot]

Would Arby count as a Deutagonist?

[gilded mason]

And the cyborg Elites were really cool

[gilded mason]

Yeah

[thorny pivot]

He's now a GIGACHAD protag

[gilded mason]

Deuteragonist

[thorny pivot]

thx

[fair path]

Now that a new book about the Didact is gonna come out maybe he'll get a other chance

[unique rune]

God yeah the semi-composed Elites are another thing I wish we could’ve gotten

[fair path]

Would be nice to see him again
And following the lore, he could show up not as an enemy anymore, but as an ally

[thorny pivot]

Proto Didact would've been a great ally

[gilded mason]

Well, hopefully he's gotten over himself.

[thorny pivot]

Didact or me? XD

[gilded mason]

Didact

[thorny pivot]

I know. It was joke. 🙂

[fair path]

Quick fun lore facts

[thorny pivot]

Lay em'.

[fair path]

At a random point of their lives, every human being in the Halo universe sees the face of the Librarian, but they all see her differently, they see her as the vision of what a perfect woman is to every person
That's why when the Chief sees her in the Halo 4 campaign and later when Halsey sees her in Spartan Ops she has a different face in each scene

[thorny pivot]

For all of the Rings to come out of the Lesser Ark during the Chief saga, would they all be considered 04 3 times?

[gilded mason]

...Maybe

[fair path]

Probably

[thorny pivot]

I always thought that

Installation 04 is the ONLY Ring I know that's been destroyed

that many times

[unique rune]

I mean I still prefer to think of the numbers as more like serial numbers

[thorny pivot]

Hell, I still call the Ark the Lesser Ark knowing there are 2 of them

[unique rune]

All of them were intended to be Alpha Halo but only one is Installation 04

the others are just 08 and 09
yes I hate the 04B and 04C designstions

[fair path]

The multiplayer maps Backwash from Halo 2 and Cold Storage from Halo 3 are rumoured to be the same location
Backwash is the surface of a Forerunner facility infected by the flood on Installation 05, while Cold Storage is the underground area of a Forerunner facility infected by the flood on Installation 05

[thorny pivot]

I prefer it as the b and c

It would make sense knowing their roles too.

[fair path]

I kinda like the greek designations
Alpha, Delta, Zeta Halo
Sounds cool

[thorny pivot]

Ai do be tenacious that way XD

[unique rune]

My main gripe with the B/C designations is that it makes them sound more like some kind of subunit of the ring than independent new rings of their own

[gaunt oak]

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[thorny pivot]

Actually bruh

[fair path]

It only makes sense in Halo 3 that the new ring is called Installation 04 B since it is meant to be a replacement for the original 04

[thorny pivot]

That was a very delayed notif.

Wouldn't be cool if we went to the Greater Ark?

[unique rune]

I mean I feel like even as replacements the appended letter designations don’t really make much sense

[thorny pivot]

Maybe it's due that there were never meant to be more than 9 rings? I guess.

[unique rune]

I just think 08 and 09 work better
especially in conjunction with the letter names

[thorny pivot]

Infinite takes place on 09 if i'm correct. My lore knowledge is outdated

[unique rune]

no

Infinite is on 07

[thorny pivot]

thought so I forget some bs

In that case, I think I'm gonna' go, I been here for way to long lol My brain feels fried at this point

Ill wait for your msg tho

[unique rune]

If I wrecked a car and bought a new one to take its place, the new one would have a unique VIN, not the old VIN with a B stuck on the end

In this case the numerical designation acts like the VIN, while the letter name is whatever the hell I might’ve previously nicknamed my car

So I just prefer the 08/09 numbers 343 uses

[thorny pivot]

Truthfully, idk. my brains fried lol

[obtuse crow]

It’s destroyed sadly.

[fleet axle]

@trim eagle Because never considered them to be all that canon or important to the game. They seen it as marketing material.

And it doesn’t help that the halo lore is bloated, inconsistent and written by a bunch of random authors. I would respect the extended halo lore if they just wiped it all and started over. Like that’s they did with Star Wars

[drowsy mesa]

Yes

[drowsy mesa]

And even yet, there are still rumors that Requiem is still there, even inside the Halo lore

[drowsy mesa]

WAT

[drowsy mesa]

Keeper-of-Tools too (the Forerunner from the data logs in Halo 5)

[thorny pivot]

I had a feeling it would be like that. Makes sense that I call them that then.

[drowsy mesa]

Well, the B and C were not used by Bungie or 343i, and born from a misconception made by the people who wrote the Encyclopedia

Not even in canon, the B/C designations were used

[unique rune]

I know 343’s hinted at it a couple times but I greatly dislike that they put themselves in a spot to have to backtrack on it in the first place

[fair hazel]

What you consider them doesn’t matter. They are canon and opinions don’t change that. And the games have been influenced by the books. Even as early as halo 2. Odsts anyone? That’s book stuff

Halo lore isn’t bloated and all inconsistent. I would lose respect if they wiped it. So would most more fans. Little if any of what you said holds truth to it.

[fleet axle]

@fair hazel Sorry there was a type. Bungie themselves didn’t consider the extended halo content to be canon. They kinda disliked it really.
So I’m only electing to experience the media as the original creators intended

[fair hazel]

Bungie doesn’t matter anymore

Also they tried to have their own cake and eat it

It’s like. Trying to include elements of the books but disliking? Incoherent as a whole.

The two Eric’s were instrumental in halo story.

And success. And lore

Nylund and Trauttman

[unique rune]

I feel like it’s disingenuous to consider ignoring the books “as the original creators intended”

because a lot of what Halo is today is also very much because of the work of Xbox and Microsoft

without XGS’ involvement Halo probably would just be some niche Mac RTS with a limited following

basically like how Marathon is a niche Mac FPS series with a now limited following

And it’s not like Bungie uniformly didn’t like extended universe material
More than a small handful of their employees like Joseph Staten eventually had a big hand in how it all developed

And all things considered Halo’s lore is pretty tightly written with fairly minimal contradictory material where it matters

for a 20 year old IP it could be far, far worse

[tiny oracle]

I forgot what were the purpose of the ark

[radiant copper]

To construct the halo rings

[obtuse crow]

Actually, it’s more than that.

It’s also to store genetic samples of species in the case of them needing to be reseeded.

[copper plover]

Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that too, that was the librarians whole thing, was to sample and reseed the universe after activation

[dense falcon]

If that's what they're used for, then what are Cylixes for?

[unique rune]

Cylixes directly store samples, facilities like the Ark and Libraries on the Halo rings themselves then act as repositories for those

[tiny oracle]

Would we be able to live on the ring ?

[unique rune]

It's like how we already keep seed banks and other types of gene banks in real life. The seeds aren't just stored in big randomized bins, they're all categorized and labelled and store in places where they can be easily accessed within the bank.

[tiny oracle]

How big is the actual land on ring compared to like countries

[obtuse crow]

Well, they are like 10K km wide.

[unique rune]

10k km diameter
not width

internal surface area is just under 10 million square kilometers

[tiny oracle]

That’s actually pretty short

[unique rune]

9.985 million km^2

for reference
North America's surface area is about 24.7 million km^2

[tiny oracle]

If you lived on the ring i guess you could say the worlds flat

[unique rune]

what

[tiny oracle]

Because it’s not a sphere

[unique rune]

The inhabitable surface of the ring isn't flat though so

like I guess technically one could argue that it's "flat" but no one lives on the "flat" parts because most of it is empty space and the parts that aren't are uninhabitable ring edge

[tiny oracle]

What is the barrier between the edge of the ring and space

[obtuse crow]

It’s wide.

Wide ring.

[tiny oracle]

If that was the case then the I could walk the entire ring on like 1 hour

[thorny pivot]

Flat-Earthers would hate Halo 2.

Try to guess why.

[tiny oracle]

Idk

[obtuse crow]

10K= 10,000 kilometers.

That’s 6,214 miles.

[tiny oracle]

I though you meant 10 kilos

[obtuse crow]

(I actually just looked it up, I was incorrect.)

[thorny pivot]

I'm not smart enough for kilometers.

[obtuse crow]

uh.

[tiny oracle]

Yeah

[obtuse crow]

Iirc it was like.

[tiny oracle]

We’re American

[obtuse crow]

4 kilometers to 1 mile.

[tiny oracle]

🇺🇸

Use miles

[obtuse crow]

Or something.

[thorny pivot]

Americans aren't the brightest, sadly.

[obtuse crow]

I don’t remember.

[obtuse crow]

I was so off.

[elfin crypt]

indeed

[agile bloom]

I got a question, did marines and Spartans other then chief ever get a way not to be one shotted by promethean weapons, or are still just weak to it?

If it’s mentioned in game I must have forgot

[zealous bison]

A Spartan’s shield can hold up against a promethean weapon for a little bit depending on the power of the weapon

Marines are unshielded so they die most of the time when hit

[zealous bison]

Without shields promethean and plasma weapons just melt whatever they hit

In lore

[agile bloom]

So a marine would basically just turn to ash on spot from a hit from one

[last anchor]

Yes

[copper plover]

I bring sort of a silly goose vibe to the lore chat that these serious geese don’t like

[agile bloom]

We need that here don’t change

[copper plover]

I’m glad some people appreciate me!

[obtuse crow]

not really no, in game the guns have to be balanced which makes them appear somewhat weak but if we really just made them how they were.

Uhm.

They would be very very op.

[agile bloom]

Let’s say like a book, a marine gets shot in the arm, he would just disintegrate right?

They would not have a chance

[obtuse crow]

Pretty sure.

[last anchor]

Yes. Promethean weaponry disintigrates biological material, as was intended.
In Bad Blood, Blue Team and Osiris find a crashed Pelican with nothing around it but a single officer's cap. Buck notes that normally Promethean weapons disintigrate clothing as well, commenting "someone knocked her cap off"

I should say technically its only "power" weapons that disintigrate, the "battle line" ones (Lightrifle, Boltshot and Suppressore) dont.

[fair path]

Yep both Covenant and forerunner weapons in lore are completely deadly

For a normal human without armor actually, overcharging a plasma pistol and releasing the shot could break your wrist

[copper plover]

Whatever happened to professor Anders after installation 09 was stopped by the guardian, was that ever explained?

[visual lantern]

Since Forerunner and Covenant weapons in lore are completely deadly, what about Ancient Human weapons?

[obtuse crow]

yes.

Ancient humans used hardlight to some extent.

[obtuse crow]

On halopedia it says that the installation is under created control so IDK.

[visual lantern]

What about those weapons that the Ur-Didact and his Promethean warriors had little to no defense against?

[obtuse crow]

I’m not entirely sure what those weapons are.

I just know that they use hardlight with their weapons.

Which they were capable of matching the forerunners but never would have enough resources to defeat them.

[visual lantern]

I was about to say the same thing. And I'm betting that they might've been neural physics based weaponry

[copper plover]

But… the created was whipped and nea nead on I thought?

[obtuse crow]

Doubt it.

[obtuse crow]

From my understanding, there is pocket empires Linda.

Kinda*

[visual lantern]

I'm also wondering how Ancient Humanity and the San'Shyuum were able to fight the Forerunners for 1,000 years

Anyways, what is the most tragic moment in the Forerunner Trilogy or you all?

If I had to choose, it has to be Gamelpar's death

[obtuse crow]

San’shyuum had advanced tech one.

Two uh.

I think they were somewhat holding back to an extent.

Idk.

Unlikely but like.

Shrug.

[visual lantern]

I wish that we had some concept art of what the Ancient San'shyuum looked like.

[obtuse crow]

Probably like modern san’shyuum but stronger taller etc.

[unique rune]

They’re noted in the Forerunner novels to even be physically attractive

Hard to say without any actual visuals

I imagine Prelates are the closest analogue for the time being

[fair path]

We have a single concept art of 2 young San'shyumm, the prelades I think they're called
Aside from the armor, they kinda look like jackals but much taller and more muscular

[unique rune]

Prelates are artificially enhanced San ‘Shyuum supersoldiers, not quite just younger members of their species

[visual lantern]

It still would have been awesome to face a San'Shyuum Prelate in one of the games.

[unique rune]

Might be cool to see but I suspect the outcome would most likely end up being underwhelming, tedious, or both

[obtuse crow]

Prelates kinda suck tbh.

They are like rip-off Spartans.

But you have to watch how you uh use your ability’s

[unique rune]

what

[obtuse crow]

they quite literally have to watch their abilities since if they overuse them they will quite literally die.

[unique rune]

I mean. Going off what Halopedia says, death as a result only happens in rare occasions

[obtuse crow]

shrug.

Drugs.

Lol.

[visual lantern]

So we still do not know what alien species crash landed on Alpha Halo as shown in the Halo: CEA terminals?

[unique rune]

correct

at this point I really gotta ask why it even matters what species it was

because chances are it wasn’t one of the 8? that we see in Halo’s modern era

in no small part because it happened 40,000 years before the present in-universe date and so is well beyond the scope of being relevant

like even if we got a name, what exactly would there be to do with that information? outside of logging it on a wiki with a note saying “some of them crashed once lol” and calling it mission accomplished

[fair path]

One of the most accepted theories is that they were ancient humans
Others say the crashed ship looks very similar to a piece of a ship from an unknown species in the multiplayer map Wreckage from Halo 4
We don't know the real answer however, and the destruction of the ring killed whoever were inside that ship as well

[unique rune]

The idea that they were ancient humans doesn’t make any sense though

Ancient humanity was reduced to nothing well before the firing of the array, and in 40,000 BCE the reseeded humanity was very much nowhere near spacefaring

Not to mention Spark would’ve recognized the vessel as belonging to Reclaimers if they were, as he did when the Pillar of Autumn was on approach to Installation 04

[golden pulsar]

I'm am super mad at myself for not being able to follow this lore bc I'm usually all knowing

[last anchor]

Presumably its a race that rose and fell into obscurity during the 100,000 years between the firing of the array and modern Halo.
Thats a long freaking time. Thats literally 10 times as long as the Imperium of Man has existed in 40k, and people say THATS a stupid long time for anything to happen.

[visual lantern]

I'm also betting that it was an alien species that thrived for a short while after being reseeded on their homeworld, became space-faring but later went extinct due to the after effects of the so called Dark Times. I could be wrong on that though

[obtuse crow]

Not a bad theory.

[drowsy mesa]

Well, ONI managed to find an intact Ancestor starship in modern times, and the ship shares some architectural structure with Ancestor ships seen in Halo 4 terminals

[drowsy mesa]

Spark's memory was compartmentalized after the firing of the Array, with only relevant information about the Forerunners, their civilization, plan for Humanity, and the Reclaimers being present (with a bit of extra information leaking once in a while thanks to his rampancy)

[unique rune]

That… doesn’t change what I said.

His scans of the unidentified vessel didn’t catch anything flagging it as Reclaimer, unlike what happened with the Pillar of Autumn.

[drowsy mesa]

Because information about the Ancestors was not relevant to his mission and purpose on Alpha Halo, just a footnote on the search of a cure against the Flood

[obsidian thistle]

I will add that the crashed ship isnt the only species that arrived at Halo prior to CE. Just those are the only ones with any visuals and they died lol.

[unique rune]

Why would that change anything? An Ancestor vessel is still a human vessel. Forerunner equipment doesn't necessarily need humans to match the specific profile for Reclaimers to end up being flagged as such, if the Luminary used at Harvest was any indication.

Also it really bears very little resemblance to any of the ancient human starships seen throughout CE's terminals

https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/d/d4/H4-Terminal-Human-ShipDesigns.jpg
https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/c/c2/Alien_ship_2.png

Like it's... not even remotely similar

Plus it started constantly pinging off distress signals before crashing so it seems very unlikely to me that it was somehow crewed by a bunch of dead ancient humans

It makes absolutely no sense for it to have been an ancient human ship

[obsidian thistle]

I'd agree in this case

Oh yea I discovered lore today!

Standard SPI actually has thrusters! 😉

Its not a thing that is only visable on that one Tales from Slipspace story. If you look carefully where the thrusters are coming from, it matches a spot from the original artwork of SPI.

[coarse vault]

One of my favorite lore tidbits as a gun nerd is that not only did some absolute maniac design up a 900 rpm bullpup assault rifle chambered in 308 with a standard 60 round mag capacity, but it was so fascinating that the UNSC made it their standard issue infantry rifle that literally every branch uses.

Misriah Armory = Space Kel Tec

And I'm not even going to get into the m6 pistols, 12.7mm as a standard issue handgun round is a madmans game all on its own

And yet despite all that, I'd kill to have either of them irl.

I think literally the only sci fi gun that could compare in the "I would really like one of these irl" field would be the ar2 from half life

I bet misriah armory spends a lot of money on shovels to dig their RnD team out of a pile of colombian nose candy on a daily basis

It's the only explaination

[summer plinth]

i hate halo 3 terminal they bring it up forunners are humans wey say halo 3

[unique rune]

i hate halo 3

[red wren]

you are the first person I’ve heard say they hate halo 3

[boreal bane]

It's my least favorite

[unique rune]

same

[golden pulsar]

What?!

Halo 3

It's not my favorite but it's not my last favorite

This is how I would rank them(top to bottom=fav to least liked)
Reach
2
Odst
Halo wars 2
1
3
Halo wars 1
Infinite
4
5

Not that some of them were bad, bc I liked them all for different reasons. These are just the overall scores

[unique rune]

horrid campaign writing that's like 40% filler and 80% retroactively making everyone compete in the stupidity Olympics, mediocre level design, mediocre gameplay, and those godawful Cortana/Gravemind visions

[summer plinth]

no i don't hate halo 3 i hate the terminals in halo 3

[red wren]

i guess fair enough, but the weapon sandbox was amazing

[unique rune]

…Was it, though?

[gilded mason]

I'd personally say the best sandbox was 5's

[unique rune]

I’m still thankful for the added FOV sliders in MCC because default Halo 3 is insufferable

[gilded mason]

I know, right

I'm also really glad about the centered crosshair option

[tiny oracle]

Is it canon that cheif actually was sacred when fighting the flood for the first time ? I heard he was literally shacking in the library mission

[gilded mason]

he's a scared boi

[last anchor]

I mean wouldn't YOU be?

Its like facing an elder god fractured into thousands of self directing pieces.

The Flood very presence can drive people mad

[glossy current]

Did the Orbital Mac Platform had Other Armaments besides the Mac gun?

Like station like that must have some form of minor protection

[glossy current]

Definitely true, iv watched videos on that on YouTube an paragraph iv read.

HALO 1 is the only game that I'm scared of the flood, Any level with flood

[tiny oracle]

I guess no one’s didn’t get scared by the flood at first sight

[glossy current]

I did

Pause was my best friend

[last anchor]

They scared me too...and then I shot one in the face with the M90 and watched its limbs come off and I got MAD.

[glossy current]

Reason why the mission took so long to complete on easy

It frightened me when individual flood has no arms, they just run to you an just Star, rubbing their nasty Body on you growling

[tawny fox]

I have an interesting question. What kind of position do you guys think the Na Vi from Avatar would have if they were somehow absorbed into the covenant empire?

[last anchor]

Purged in plasma fire for not accepting the Forerunners as gods and basically being useless to the Covenanr was machine. Only those races that resisted were offered places in tbe Covenant. Those that resisted ans could be made useful

[tawny fox]

Yeah i could see that

[pallid thicket]

Im starting to like N’tho S’roam more and more as a character

Glad we got to learn more about him and Usze in Hunters in the Dark

For those that don’t remember, they were who you played as in Halo 3 campaign as the third and fourth player respectively

[verbal pollen]

Interesting
Are they elites?
Why aren't they there as npcs in 2 player like Arby in 1 player

[faint escarp]

Do the ODST’s SOEIV drop pods have shields? I think not but just checking….

[last anchor]

No

[faint escarp]

So… it is possible for ODST drop pods to be blown out of the sky before landfall

[unique rune]

I mean. Yeah. It’s shown in the Halo 2 cutscene where SOEIVs make their in-game debut.

Or at least the Anniversary rendition of it.

[faint escarp]

I don’t recall them actually getting blown out of the sky in that cut scene

[unique rune]

At least one of them is shown getting destroyed by Shade turret fire in the Anniversary cutscene, seems to have been a slight change from the original.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=cRBdrVOiiMg

[faint escarp]

Oh yes. @2:10-11. I see. Never noticed that

[last anchor]

Theres cratered ones when you land too.

Even before that, when SOIEV's were first mentioned in the books, its described that "some would get picked off by anti-air, but each loss would only result in the death of a single trooper rather than a whole squad."

[pallid thicket]

Yes. Ntho wore the blue armor and Uzse wore the red ascetic armor

But yeah I wish Ntho and Uzse were there as NPCs backing Arby up

[dense falcon]

Also in Halo: The Flood, where a SOEIV just fails and burns its trooper, and the commander had to mute the audio from it.

[last anchor]

Yeah, she just got unlucky.

[visual lantern]

Isn't Luro Taralumee still alive?

[unique rune]

Potentially

We know he survived the end of the Human-Covenant War and was still considered a threat to the UNSC last we heard about him

[visual lantern]

Then that leaves the fate of Thel Lodamee hanging in the air.

I'm imagining that Thel Lodamee was punished in some fashion after he and Luro returned to High Charity.

[supple iris]

Honestly was hoping infinite was gonna be something else especially after the cliff hanger of halo 5/halo wars 2. Basically Infiniti/chief responds to prof A distress signal at installation 09 and they take down the guardian and go to earth to link up with more unsc and reactivate the portal to the ark. Then proceed back to the ark on a Halcion to fight the banished and flood to try to secure the ark. Basically make the ark open world to explore. Then as they are battling for the ark they find out mendicant bias has escaped to help humanity against cortana. Then find a dark truth that cortana isnt her true self and she is actually corrupted by the flood(from the result of end of halo2 and halo 3) and is trying to awake the endless to find a way for the floods food to survive the activation of the halo rings so she can use the flood to bring order to the universe and deem halo rings useless if she finds the answer to the immunity the firing of the rings that the endless posses.

[visual lantern]

I'm wondering, why didn't the Forerunners just tune the pulse of the Halo Array to where it would destroy only the Flood and not their food source?

[gilded mason]

I assume they simply weren't able to get it that exact.

[visual lantern]

And even if the Forerunners manage to tune the pulse of the Halo Array to where it would only destroy the Flood and not their food source, it wouldn't have been that effective.

[tiny oracle]

Is there a list of every type and class of covenant and unsc ships

[gilded mason]

Check Halopedia

[formal storm]

The entire history of halo in a nutshell

It all beggins bc

Humanity was a powerfull and advanced species

They met the forerunners wich they were infected with the flood

Humanity tried to help by killing the flood

But they caused a all out war against the forerunners

Humanity lost and was forced to restart

But due to the forerunners inconsequent action they were completely taken over by the flood

In a final effort to stop the flood they created the halo array to defend themselves

But...

It didnt work

They all died

Exept for one cuz he was inprisioned on one of the forerunners shield world due to its crimes against the forerunners and humanity

a few centuries later....

Humanity advanced with new tech and in a war against eachother

So to stop this war they beggin the spartan program

By luring inocent children with free candy (there was no free candy)

And turning them into super soldiers

With years of training

And preparation

Among those children there was one in particular wich his name was master chief

He created his own team with other children

And while humanity was messing arround in war

[formal storm]

A misterious fleet of alien ships attack earth

[scarlet hinge]

i imagine that if this was something they were capable of doing, it's the option they would have taken

that they didn't suggests that it's because they couldn't

it'd be like, say, trying to create a high-explosive bomb that only destroys the enemy's assets and infrastructure, not yours

easier said than done

[astral solar]

where do i start with the books

[nimble prism]

halo lore
alien: you steal my relic
human: no
alien: starts war
the end

[scarlet hinge]

the Fall of Reach is the best shout

it was the first book (and the first-released Halo media at all), so it introduces the Spartans, Covenant, UNSC, Insurrection and the Fall of Reach completely from scratch

[last anchor]

One of the better overall ones too

Its Chiefs origin story to boot

[terse sage]

How does Isabel ride with Jerome during Halo Wars 2 if Mk 4 Mjolnir can't carry AI's

[dense falcon]

"Over the course of the Second Ark Conflict in 2559, Jerome, Alice and Douglas, began receiving eclectic custom upgrades to their armor from various sources, resulting in all-new, unique permutations built for the requirements of each Spartan" (Halopedia, n.d.)

I got that on Jerome's Halopedia article, surely one of the upgrades means an AI slot

[tropic forge]

It's a plot hole for the first mission what Oreos said otherwise.

[drowsy mesa]

The rings can be attuned to affect only lifeforms between certain neural complexity but, by the time the Forerunner-Flood war ended, there were Keyminds everywhere

and they run out of options pretty quickly

[drowsy mesa]

I suppose Jerome just carried Isabel in a literal sense, but she couldn't interface with Jerome's neural interface until a few missions later (when they recovered GEN2 components between missions)

[flat kernel]

Well, wasn’t the flood first discovered by humans after they were at war with the forerunners because of the mantle of responsibility stuff?

[fair hazel]

No.

The humans mixed powder with their pets making the flood

Then they went to forerunner worlds to cleanse the flood

[tawny fox]

Alien parasite: we will infect everyone regardless of what side they are on and make things harder than they already are.Muhahaha

[proper spoke]

What are some of the most popular bands in this universe

[dense falcon]

Queen is canon

[valid linden]

Does anyone have a link or something to show me the halo books in chronological order? (Not release date but in the halo timeline)

[versed helm]

Mesariah Army because for some reason they make almost every UNSC vehicle and weapon.

I know I didn’t spell that right

[proper spoke]

any music genre counts

[proper spoke]

Is it actually?

sorry for the ping forgot to tick it off

[dense falcon]

In Shadows of Reach, Kelly listens to 20th century rock music before missions, one of those songs was Killer Queen

[unique rune]

It was originally supposed to be, at least

The final publication doesn’t make an explicit reference to Queen out of rights concerns

I’d argue it’s for the better anyway

Making a direct reference to a 1970s rock band when your current fiction is set in the 2560s has the side effect of making your universe and sense of progression feel a little small

[scarlet hinge]

the expanse did it better

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJcNOA5pEMI&t=1s

they have a sequence in which a character is listening to a Deep Purple song, but the song has been re-recorded in lyrics written in that character's futuristic space language and adjusted so that, instead of talking about a car it's talking about a spacecraft

it feels much more believable that a Belter is listening to a Belter cover of an iconic classic rock song, than just straight-up Highway Star

the actual track was fully released too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCyGIJl1XUA

it goes hard

[obsidian thistle]

Sci-Fi having the original exist + covers + covers that adapt the song to the future is stuff I live for. Shame its expensive to do so VERY few do it.

[last anchor]

Covers of covers for the telephone game effect is great.

Id love to hear some alt-punk bands in the 2560s intentionally doing songs in mangled Sangheili because it sounds so WEIRD.
Like how Swedish death metal sounds to English speakers

[scarlet hinge]

stop calling out my french avant-garde post-metal bands

you just don't get it

it's not a phase mum

[silk sundial]

Still waiting for that Craig album to drop. It's gonna be fire I tell you

[terse lava]

likely waiting on the trademark of the name

[flat kernel]

If they actually released a Craig album that would be awesome

[radiant copper]

Yall are nerds (I am a nerd too)

[last anchor]

Someone needs to do a fan animation of Craig playing. That'd be lit

[flat kernel]

I’m learning UE

If I ever figure out how to do stuff I will

[golden pulsar]

Same brooo

[silk sundial]

Thanks for noticing! I am very passionate about science and math. Along with Halo, could never forget about it.

[fair path]

Is it ok that Buck was totally fine after being under the corpse of a Brute?
How heavy are Brutes even?

[unique rune]

upper end of the average range is 1500 lb
lower end is 1125 lb

about as heavy as a full grown cow

realistically he’d probably be… still alive, I would think

definitely bruised up and probably not without some internal injuries

[last anchor]

I would assume his armor helped SOMEWHAT and it would depend on where and how he landed.

If he was lucky, the corpse would have fallen on something to brace it. Obviously he was able to speak so I DONT think it fell on his chest

[formal storm]

I am simplifiying the lore not expanding it

[quartz locust]

Why do we never see nuclear weapons in halo from the unsc we have nukes now that could have prob made the war a lot easier

[boreal bane]

We do: https://www.halopedia.org/Nuclear_weapon

[obtuse crow]

Reach comics: nova bomb
Halo 4: havok nuke.

[icy yoke]

They exist but availability in a pinch is limited. Plus they don't do much against shielded starships.

What makes nukes devastating in planets atmosphere is they press and push away air to a supersonic cavitation mass.

Shock wave

Doesn't work in a vacuum... lots of light and radiation.

That's what makes a the MAC so devastating

[obtuse crow]

You ever heard of the keys loop?

[icy yoke]

They used plasma torpedoes from Covenant ship.

[unique rune]

The Keyes loop was the exception rather than the rule

Presumably Covenant frigates are also more lightly shielded than most larger Covenant warships

[icy yoke]

Nukes generate plasma from atmospheric gasses to acheive high energy state. In vacuum little plasma is made.

Plasma torpedoes have a prevalent quantity of plasma on board

[last anchor]

the NOVA bomb says hello

[obtuse crow]

The good old captain also used nukes.

[icy yoke]

Drain shields. Also exhausted their inventory of conventional missiles and fired several Mac rounds

First, in the absence of an atmosphere, blast disappears completely.

Second, thermal radiation, as usually defined, also disappears. There is no longer any air for the blast wave to heat and much higher frequency radiation is emitted from the weapon itself.

Trinity nuclear test only made a crater 8 feet deep of silicate soils

[scarlet hinge]

UNSC nukes often take the form of casaba-howitzers

[tawny sapphire]

Is there any chance Jorge survived?

My thought process is that the bomb was just a slip space drive so he could’ve been anywhere in space and his armour might have kept him alive

[obtuse crow]

Unlikely.

The radiation would have killed them.

[tawny sapphire]

Oh

Well I can always hope 😆

[wispy prawn]

Plus a couple nucular devices in Ghosts of onyx

[wispy prawn]

Ship sized slipspace is not for the faint of heart XD

There are human slipspace portals though

Doesn’t make you feel great but its used in point of light

As for jorge hes gone ☹️

[frigid tiger]

Was Kilo-5 named like that because it was made up of 5 military personal or is that just a coincedence?

[frigid tiger]

There was an instance in the books where Blue Team went with a group of ODSTs (think it was a battalion) to blow up a ring like covenant installation. To do that, they had every Spartan and ODST carry a HAVOC nuke, which is about the size of a football. It made, to recall chiefs thoughts - his battle group probably the most dangerously armed infantry unit in the history of humanity.

[wispy prawn]

silent storm and it was a covie space elevator above a forerunner city

but yeah lol

heavy weapons for sure

[last anchor]

Coincidence as far as we know.

[frigid tiger]

It's a while since I read a Halo book, definitely need to start reading again

[wispy prawn]

they are great reads!

[frigid tiger]

I think silent storm was the last one I read, need to look up which one's next from the chronological order

[wispy prawn]

Halo:Oblivion

then

i believe shadows of reach if were talking about full blue team

[frigid tiger]

I've read so far:
Contact Harvest
The Fall of Reach
The Flood
Cole Protocol
First Strike
Silent Storm

(not in that order)

[wispy prawn]

niceee

i would def recommend reading oblivion then shadows of reach then it goes onto side stories

which are amazing

ferret series

crew of ace of spades

so many great series

[frigid tiger]

so I continue with oblivion? Internet says either oblivion or ghosts of onyx

[wispy prawn]

oblivion first. im re reading ghosts it takes place from first strike with Halsey disappearing

honestly either works

[frigid tiger]

that's what I get for not saving the list I used for the first books haha

[wispy prawn]

but oblivion goes on with silent shadow so since thats fresh for you

[wispy prawn]

lol im sure its here somewhere

[frigid tiger]

It was an internet side. Just tried to find it again, but I can't

[wispy prawn]

ahh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/990842706043502632/1066053897719918683/image-1.png

[frigid tiger]

I'll take Oblivion. Glad I have my Ebook reader (although I miss the book collections on top of my shelf)

[wispy prawn]

This should work

[frigid tiger]

thx

[wispy prawn]

No worries do keep in mind this doesn’t account for series

Just time line

[frigid tiger]

I don't mind that

I'm reading them in timeline order except the forerunner stuff, I moved that to the end

[wispy prawn]

Ahh

[real kelp]

Anyone here a…bungie halo fan?

[frigid tiger]

I'm a Halo fan, which means I'm also a bungie halo fan

[real kelp]

Yes, but not a fan of 343?

And their story?

Gameplay?

[frigid tiger]

Well, I would lie if I'd say that I like how they managed the title over the years.

[real kelp]

Have any thoughts on how they handled Halo?

[frigid tiger]

lets move that discussion either private or another channel, this is the lore corner

[real kelp]

Ahh, originally the forerunners were human right?

[frigid tiger]

I didn't get to that part of the lore yet haha. I was just talking about how I'm reading the books but moved the Forerunner saga to the end
But as far as I know, yesn't. Either they are ancient humans or co-existed with them

[real kelp]

Alright, I’ll leave that be then

Want to chat elsewhere?

[frigid tiger]

sure, private?

Most other channels have a cooldown on messages

[real kelp]

Sure, I’m not too familiar with discord so if you could do that…it would be appreciated

[quaint narwhal]

I don't think so no.

They are similar, but not the same.

[versed helm]

No, they are completely different races

And I don’t think the halo lore goes past 15,000,000 BCE

That’s just kinda where it starts

And if the forerunners were originally human, the humans would have been way more advanced than the forerunners

[radiant copper]

If I remember correctly, before 343 had control of halo the plan was for the forerunners to be revealed as human in the form of skeletons

[versed helm]

Really?

Interesting

[gilded mason]

Bungie themselves were divided over it. Some in one camp, and others in the other.

So you got things like the Halo 3 terminals saying they're separate, and earlier concepts like what you said.

[versed helm]

I think It would make more sense for them to be separate

The forerunners are more advanced than humans, and that just wouldn’t be the case if they were originally humans.

[radiant copper]

(This is a joke) but it would have been such a good plot twist

[versed helm]

What I think is so funny about halo lore, is that the prophets race, originally helped the humans fight the forerunners

But now they couldn’t hate each other more

[radiant copper]

If the forerunners were humans do you think the covenant would stop the war and bow down to the humans?

[versed helm]

No

Not the prophets, maybe the elites

I doubt that though

[gilded mason]

The Hierarchs would launch a pretty big campaign to discredit it

[versed helm]

They kinda already did that

[gilded mason]

Though fun fact, there was a cult within the Covenant that actually did worship humans as heirs to the Forerunners

Truth spent quite a bit of effort to attempt to eradicate it.

[versed helm]

lol

Also, question. How did the elites find out the humans were the true heirs?

Oh wait

The gravemind

Yeah

[gilded mason]

For those that do know, I don't think the exact reason was said

[wispy prawn]

Yeah they have a story board of arbiter and Chief finding human skeletons as forunners. But that was for halo 2 when halo 2 was 2 and 3 before the cut

[versed helm]

Hmmmm

I have another question

How did the prophets even know?

That the humans were the true heirs?

[gilded mason]

The big three only knew because of Mendicant Bias.

Nobody else heard it

[versed helm]

How did they even get in contact with him?

[gilded mason]

Half of him was inside the keyship (the other half was on the Ark) and used to converse with the Covenant

[versed helm]

Damn, I need to get caught up on my lore, where did they get the key ship? Didnt they find it on one of their homeworlds?

[gilded mason]

Damn, I need to get caught up on my lore
Yeah. This was way back in Contact Harvest, back in the Halo 3 days.

And yeah, the ship was on the San'Shyuum homeworld

[versed helm]

Would the prophets have started the great journey if the humans weren’t the true heirs?

[gilded mason]

What do ya mean?

[bright spear]

It's actually the reason the Covenant hates humanity so much, the Prophets talked to Mendicant Bias and learned they were the "reclaimers" and didn't want the secret to get out, thus greedily sought to eradicate the "reclaimers" to secure their place

[versed helm]

I know

So my guess is they wouldn’t have tired to eradicate the humans if the humans weren’t the true heirs.

[gilded mason]

Correct

[versed helm]

Would they have adopted them into the covenant?

[bright spear]

Yup, the Covenant would usually try to convert races first and foremost

[gilded mason]

If Mendy didn't blab, they would have been incorporated. But in what capacity, who knows.

Maybe they'd get lucky and be a fringe client

[versed helm]

The real question is, would the humans have even wanted to join? I mean, they hate each other. Why join an alien faction. It’s just more people to hate.

[gilded mason]

They wouldn't really have a choice either way

[versed helm]

Why?

Did the covenant eradicate everyone who refuses?

[bright spear]

It'd still be "join or die"

[gilded mason]

The Covenant want everyone to be included, whether they want to or not

[versed helm]

The covenants stupid then

[gilded mason]

Such is the way of an empire

[versed helm]

I wouldn’t want to join then

More like dictatorship

If they were incorporated into the covenant though, I think they would have some power in government.

[bright spear]

I mean, don't forget the final goal of the Covenant was to fire the Halo array, eradicating all sentient life in the galaxy

[versed helm]

Yeah, I know

Did they know though?

That they were meant to eradicate all life in the galaxy?

[gilded mason]

Nope

[versed helm]

Of course

[bright spear]

I thought that's the "Great Transcendence" the Prophets were obsessed with

[gilded mason]

They didn't think it was death, they thought it was divinity

[versed helm]

Hmmmmm

Idiots

With the humans AI though, would they have found out the true purpose. And if so, would they try and still fire them?

So many questions

[gilded mason]

It'd really depend on how the subject was handled

You'd need a whole lotta grace and charisma for that sort of conversation.

[versed helm]

Well, a lot of humans have that

[gilded mason]

And a lot don't

[versed helm]

You’re right

[terse lava]

Also have to consider if the AI would even be tolerated

The Covenant may force humans to get rid of them

[versed helm]

But the AI is sentient

[terse lava]

exactly

[versed helm]

Oh

[terse lava]

The Covenant knew story of Mendicant Bias Betraying his creators and defecting to the flood. That brought about a ban on advanced AI research

[gilded mason]

And they also saw it firsthand back in the earlier days of the Covenant

[versed helm]

I don’t think they wouldn’t have succeeded in that though. The AI could just hack into the covenant network and take them down from there.

[terse lava]

Yeah, various Zealots early in the Covenant's history had to fight flood-coruppted Forerunner machines

[versed helm]

Really?

[gilded mason]

Yup

[versed helm]

Wait, when was the covenant formed?

[terse lava]

the Covenant were also aware of the Logic Plagie

852 BC

as of 2552, the Covenant had existed as a civilization for 3400 years

[versed helm]

Corrupted forerunner machines still existed 15 million years later?

Well, the halos did

So uh

[bright spear]

100,000 years rather than 15 million

[gilded mason]

We encounter Forerunner machines in the games, so

[terse lava]

15 million? The Forerunner flood war happened 100k years ago

[versed helm]

Oh wait.

[terse lava]

15 million was when the Precursors created the FOrerunners

[versed helm]

Ohhhhhhh

Oh ok

[terse lava]

10 million BC was the Forerunner rebellion against their creators

[versed helm]

Damn, I got all lore right, but the timeline insanely wrong

Sheesh

[terse lava]

it got pretty crazy yeah

I personally love the fact the Covenant were a space-faring civiliztion when humans were still in the iron age

longer really with regards to the Sangheili and San'Shyuum, both species had traveled the stars centuries before

[versed helm]

Well, they didn’t get sent back to the Iron Age by the forerunners lol

The humans did

Well actually

The halos firing

I guess they did start over too

[gilded mason]

Yup

[versed helm]

Damn

How’s they advance so fast?

[gilded mason]

🤷‍♂️

[unique rune]

monkeys slow

probably uncovered and managed to work out Forerunner tech earlier than humanity too

[gilded mason]

Librarian bet on the wrong horse smh

[terse lava]

@gilded mason Sangheili mantle holders when?

[bright spear]

San Shy'uum and Sangheili both had working forerunner artifacts on their homeworlds that weren't hidden and were able to reverse engineer the tech which is why they advanced so early

[gilded mason]

The Sangheili were able to advance without it, until the War of Beginnings, at least.

[bright spear]

It was actually a cause of great strife as the Sangheili didn't want to desecrate the Holy Artefacts whereas the San Shy'uum wanted to use them

Were the Sangheili space faring before the Covenant? I honestly forget

[gilded mason]

Yup. They had slipspace travel, plasma weapons, and antigravity before making use of Forerunner tech.

[terse lava]

yep for several centuries

[last anchor]

It was anathema to them to even work with forerunner tech, wasnt it?
One of their leaders who suggested it got assassinated.

[icy yoke]

Q: mentioned if UNSC is capable of protium fusion. Or do they need deuterium

[last anchor]

Im pretty sure they need Deutritium.
I know they need helium-3

[unique rune]

I’ve never seen protium mentioned in Halo media so I’m gonna go with deuterium

[quaint narwhal]

Are there things like Mercenaries or bounty hunters in Halo lore?

Huge fan of Metroid, and I think a former spartan turned bounty hunter would be such a cool nod.

[gilded mason]

Are there things like Mercenaries or bounty hunters in Halo lore?
There are, yes

[last anchor]

Two entire planets of them at the very least

Dont expect a Spartan to become one though

[unique rune]

I dunno how I never thought about it before but man. Entering the Spartan-IV program would be… kinda terrifying, in a way?

Like yeah you become a supersoldier with crazy powered armor but all at the cost of basically selling the rest of your life to the UNSC

[last anchor]

Yeah, its basically the same as becoming a Space Marine in 40k, minus the really freaky parts.

Goes for being any Spartan honestly, though the former two didnt get choices.

[quaint narwhal]

I mean for the UNSC and their allies.

You don't think there could be mercenaries or bounty hunters hired by them? I mean its a big galaxy. There has got to be crime going on somewhere

[gilded mason]

There are, yes

[unique rune]

Yeah, that’s why I specified S-IV. They voluntarily consent to it but with -II and -III it was basically “this is your life now kiddo have fun”

[gilded mason]

We know of an elite merc working for ONI, and other elite mercs working for the Banished

[unique rune]

I wonder if the UNSC still directly handles Spartan aug stuff in-house or if they contract it out to some big pharm/biotech megacorp

[last anchor]

Right now I think it’s in house

But there’s mentions of non UNSC supersoldiers in 5s flavor text

And I think in 4 as well?

Private security groups and corps have MJLONIR grade tech now

[unique rune]

I know one of H5’s armor variants mentions it

I wanna say it was Buccaneer

[fair path]

Do Promethean weapons canonically have infinite ammo?
Idk I just made the misconception in my mind that hardlight energy is unlimited

[unique rune]

I doubt it

maybe when directly hooked up to something like a Knight or Crawler if there’s some kind of direct energy feed from whatever powers them to the weapon

making them functionally “infinite”

but otherwise I’m gonna go with no

[last anchor]

Im pretty sure Defender of the Storm mentions Adequite checking the ammo reserve on his Boltshot

[quaint narwhal]

Does Ur Didact in Halo 4 wear a Grade 18 combat skin?

Do we know what the full capabilities of it are?

[gilded mason]

Don't think we know anything about it

[visual lantern]

How exactly would a Halo movie work out?

Also, how long can a Forerunner live for without their armor?

[obtuse crow]

On halopedia, it says thousands of years on average but idk if that’s with or without armor.

So I’m go on a guess and say that they can likely live 300 years without armor.

[unique rune]

I’m pretty sure it’s been stated that Forerunners can live pretty much indefinitely with support from their personal armor

[obtuse crow]

Yep.

Advanced life support.

[visual lantern]

So the Forerunners are effectively immortal with their armor on?

[unique rune]

Basically

[golden spear]

Here's a question:

How many calories does a Spartan need to eat to stay in fighting condition, given their augmentations?

[obtuse crow]

Likely 400 grams+ of protein but that isn’t calories.

Uh.

[golden spear]

That was never explained in the lore was it?

[unique rune]

I don’t think we’ve ever gotten actual concrete numbers for their nutritional requirements but we have maybe some stuff to work off of?

Spartan-IV augmentations (figuratively?) allow them to get the nutrition they need by just eating a tree

according to Buck

[versed helm]

Totally random question, but do you think Chick-fil-A would exist in the Halo universe?

[meager adder]

most fast food companies would probably live that long so yea chick-fil-a is a thing in halo

[unique rune]

They may have existed at some point but I dunno if they’d still be around in the 26th century

[versed helm]

https://discordapp.com/channels/471722331820130324/471722331820130326/1066524326947471440

cortana being a forerunner makes sense from the beginning

[gilded mason]

What are you talking about

[quaint narwhal]

So I just had an idea that I thought would be fun to discuss.

Raven Beak (Metroid) vs Ur Didact

Who would win? (no extra space ships, just the two of them in their power armor/combat skin)

[humble yacht]

Have Smoa is basically chik fil a with a petting zoo

[sonic lagoon]

US senators had chic fil a trucks when the were doing overnight voting the for speaker. Pampered thugs.

[last anchor]

Not a particular issue in the 2560s as the US ceased to exist

I wish they’d made Moa have a unique flavor in the cook book

[simple pollen]

In halo 1, 2, and 3 your main goal is to stop aliens from killing everything because they are wrong about what giant space circles do

in halo reach you die cause you tried to kill aliens cause they touched your planet

in halo 3 odst you take a smart alien in order to figure out what the other aliens plans are to stop them from killing everything

[humble yacht]

the closest thing to moa irl would likely be emu or ostrich

both of which could be used to make a decent burger

[terse lava]

yeah

[humble yacht]

might be a tad gamey for some people but you could balance the flavor out with appropriate seasonings and toppings

[last anchor]

Ive had emu burger before actually, its pretty solid with the right sauce

[visual lantern]

So why did Reach have only 20 ODPs when Earth had like 300 of them? Considering that Reach was the heart of humanity's military.

I understand that Earth is humanity's home world and all but still.

[obtuse crow]

Unknown.

[visual lantern]

I'm betting that as the war against the Covenant dragged on and they were inching closer to Earth, humanity decided to relocate some of Reach's ODPs to Earth because of its greater importance.

Anyways, how many human colony worlds survived the Covenant War unscathed?

[gilded mason]

Around a few dozen

Though not "colony worlds", just "colonies"

[obsidian thistle]

It did have rapid fire ODPs however.

https://www.halopedia.org/Erőd-class_orbital_weapon_platform

Never actually thought the Encyclopedia would name em.

But hey love it

[spiral jewel]

@obsidian thistle during Operation White Glove, could there have been a point in the mission where Fred 104 and his iteration of Red team could have met up with the remaining members of Noble Team between Castle and Sword Bases?

[glossy current]

Did the UNSC had Torpedo in their armament?

Was the Lance missile Battery considered a Torpedo Missile Battery?

[visual lantern]

How different would the Covenant War have gone if humanity had incorporated the Forerunner technology from Onyx into their ships and weapons prior to Harvest?