lore-and-universe

[icy yoke]

Course civilian vessels exist. Also wanna see yachts, pleasure craft

This reminds me ending in episode of Star Trek Discovery, a view of 32nd century San Francisco, with what appears to be a ocean going yacht, pleasure craft or ferry.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElxehYKXIAIme02.jpg:large

Why can't we post images?

[obsidian thistle]

So love the Encyclopedia naming a lotta stuff

[humble yacht]

i give 5 credit for trying (though in some ways failing) to go in exciting directions

3 loses points for me for having alot of filler

and lacking consistency between character depictions

[heady geyser]

I forgot was Spartan III volunteer or no

[gilded mason]

They were six years old. So no.

[heady geyser]

Thanks for the reminder

[last anchor]

Technically they were. But the line is fine and very immoral

The few confirmed S-III recruits we’ve seen actually get recruited were offered the chance to say no but of course you tell a six year old they can hurt the people who killed their parents and they’re gonna say yes

[unique rune]

I’m sure they called them “volunteers” to ease the weight on their conscience but consent from terrified, isolated children is… not consent.

[gilded mason]

👆

[tepid sinew]

The fact they are children in the first place basically removes the claim of "consent"

[last anchor]

Pretty much

[humble yacht]

an 11 yo cannot give informed consent

full stop

[gilded mason]

Yeah, I'd say the line was extremely thick

[last anchor]

Fair

Why do I remember it being written somewhere it was consenting volenteers, was that the OG encyclopedia?

[unique rune]

ONI propaganda

[last anchor]

That tracks

[heady geyser]

Gotta love ONI propaganda lol

[copper plover]

Those goofy oni fellows, always up to shenanigans

[hazy stone]

So when atriox clapped our boi

Was he just better than 117

Or was 117 tired, weakened, etc

Or was it a plot device to get the story going

That we shouldn't question

[gilded mason]

People can be in favorable situations and unfavorable ones.

John simply happened to be in the latter camp at the time.

[hazy stone]

What was unfavourable at the time

[gilded mason]

Atriox got the drop on him in close range. Not a good situation for John

[hazy stone]

From the cinematic it seemed that atriox was physically far, far stronger and tankier

[gilded mason]

Because he is

[hazy stone]

Makes sense

Even in the game play if you get too close to a hunter

You're toast

So when John said he beat him methodically, precisely etc

Was he smoking some of the good stuff

Cos it just seemed like a straightforward beatdown

Maybe that was what was so well thought out?

[gilded mason]

I imagine that's just subjective semantics stuff

[hazy stone]

Being so relentless and perfect in execution that John couldn't find an opening?

[last anchor]

Ambushes work wonders

[copper plover]

To be fair atriox also clowned on 3 other Spartan 2s

[sturdy sleet]

It's worth noting that that fight started off almost as a victory for Chief. Our boy nearly one-shot Atriox, but Atri-boy deflected his pistol at precisely the last moment. https://youtu.be/pHJmfFFsYLs?t=39 Then it was just a methodological beatdown.

[heady geyser]

I hope we get a chief and Atriox rematch

[obtuse crow]

The problem with that is that they just came out of cryo and were fighting in the dark against a SIGNIFICANTLY stronger opponent who also had a gravity hammer in close range.

For chief however.

he’s like 40+ something.

[pale zenith]

need to see arby+chief team against monke

[obtuse crow]

Atriox is a whole dang brute which they can weigh like 1500 pounds and are way way taller plus stronger than humans.

That’s another reason why chief lost.

[pale zenith]

grav hammer go brrrr

[obtuse crow]

Gravity mace to be exact.

Rather an interesting design in my opinion.

[pale zenith]

oh ur right, i love it even more tbh

than hammer

i do think lore wise

itd be smart for 343 to mention atriox augs

besides his augmented arm

like full skeletal upgrade or somethn

[obtuse crow]

His armor also ate up all the bullets red team fired at brute boy.

eh.

I mostly blame it on uh.

Red team coming out of cryo.

[copper plover]

Wait, does red team still not have energy shielding? It’s shown in game as an upgraded stuff but they’re sporting gen 1 mark iv, or whatever

[copper plover]

They woke up and literally had to choose violence

[obtuse crow]

yeah.

[obtuse crow]

When they fought atriox? Unlikely.

Afterwards? Maybe.

[copper plover]

if this entire time they haven’t had shielding it’d be pretty cool to see what they could do in up to date armor, also hello fellow forerunner enjoyer

[spark lily]

Am I the guy?

[scarlet hinge]

perhaps

[obtuse crow]

yeah, it would be cool to see what they would be able to do in like gen 2 or Gen 3 armor. Also hello.

[scarlet hinge]

they've had energy shielding the entire time

it's been canon for a while that Red Team were field-testing early shielding prototypes in Halo Wars 1

[obtuse crow]

it doesn’t really make sense tho.

most Spartans didn’t have energy shields until like.

Ish.

2551 to be exact.

[scarlet hinge]

this has been long-since retconned

energy shielding early prototypes were being tested as early as 2531, and the Grenadier armour on the Mark IV platform was also serving as a testbed

(the VAUNTLOCK power pack - the big cylinder thing on Jorge's chestplate - is a capacitor for energy shielding)

energy shielding wasn't introduced as a standard feature of Mjolnir until the Mark V platform debuted in November, 2551

but it has been in service in a limited capacity for a long time prior

[obtuse crow]

Intriguing.

[obsidian thistle]

Didnt stop 11 Spartans using the Halo Wars style ones though. BUT 1 death and 3 missing doesnt bode well for that version of the tech.

For those curious how I got that 11.
6 = Omega Team
3 = Red Team
2 = Harvest Spartans (Halo Wars Launch Site)

[crystal schooner]

First sign of actual Jiralhanae intelligence

[crystal schooner]

Omega Team ?

[crystal schooner]

Yeah, but couldn’t John have just, idk, jumped on Atriox, WWE-style, and then whipped out his pistol to shoot Atriox in the head ?

[obsidian thistle]

https://www.halopedia.org/Team_Omega

[gilded mason]

He kinda lost his pistol after the first big strike from the mace.

[crystal schooner]

What about just, Yknow, punching him in the face?

Aren’t John’s bones reinforced with titanium and armor made of Ti ?

[gilded mason]

He kinda already did that, too

[crystal schooner]

Oh wait. Uppercut , right ?

[gilded mason]

Yeah

John ain't the perfect fighter, he's gonna get beaten every-so-often, and all that.

[crystal schooner]

Idk, seems uneasy to me.

Somewhat.

He’s the same Spartan who took down the army general of a civilization 2 orders of magnitude more advanced than his own.

[scarlet hinge]

he gets messed up all the time in the books

it's pretty emphasised a lot that teamwork and coordination is much more important to success than just being a cool fighty man

[gilded mason]

^

[scarlet hinge]

both teamwork with other Spartans, and cross-branch work with other UNSC forces (Marines, Army, etc) and even non-UNSC forces (IE the colonial militia working alongside a Marine deployment on Mesra)

[crystal schooner]

Then, how come a single monke took down the pride of a Tier 3 civilization with his rickety, wish.com quality battleships ?

[scarlet hinge]

they're not rickety

[gilded mason]

Ambush with multiple, not all-that-rickety ships

[scarlet hinge]

they're extremely capable warships, and ambushed Infinity at its most vulnerable

trying to boil conflicts down to a series of versus battle logic of numbers and facts instead of actually paying attention to the surrounding context is a pretty bad way to think about these things

[gilded mason]

Infinity ain't invulnerable. It simply had quite a few scrapes that it was able to luck its way out of.

[crystal schooner]

True, but there is a noticeable difference in ease of battle between facing a fleet of Forerunner tech vs a Covenant splinter faction.

[scarlet hinge]

stop focusing on the factions involved, and actually look at the situation

if you walk around a corner and a guy blasts you with a shotgun, it doesn't matter whether that's some improvised slam fire pipe gun or a proper Remington, it's going to hurt either way

the "power levels" of the things involved are completely irrelevant

[crystal schooner]

Yeah, but again, the only way the guy who blasted you with a shotgun, Atriox, could get in, was if he could make it past Infinity’s literal armada of vessels.

[scarlet hinge]

Infinity drops out of slipspace and is almost immediately beset upon by a task force of extremely capable warships, which proceed to begin firing upon it before the ship has even had time to properly ascertain the situation - all this after having to leave half of the crew and ground complement behind on Reach and after a year of near-constant running with no maintenance, R&R or resupply

[scarlet hinge]

Infinity only had six Mulsanne-class frigates escorting it

this is covered in the in-game audio logs

[crystal schooner]

What happened to the rest of the armada ?

[scarlet hinge]

and those Mulsannes were sent ahead of Infinity herself to act as a scouting force to secure the system for Infinity to safely drop in

[scarlet hinge]

I'd advise playing Halo 5

[gilded mason]

The Created made things pretty hard

[crystal schooner]

Okay, crazy hitler Cortana. Got it.

[scarlet hinge]

yep

for the past year in-universe, Infinity has been on the run from relentless pursuit by the Guardians, operating with half of its nominal crew count and unable to use its most powerful equipment (IE nuclear weapons) in case they're detected by the Guardians

[crystal schooner]

Good argument. I’m gonna get back to this in 15 minutes.

[scarlet hinge]

you could pretty much watch the first season of Battlestar Galactica to get the "2559 Infinity Experience"

same scenarios, pretty much

[last anchor]

And sacrificing four of them in ramming strikes. Infinity's taken beatings like that before and almost fallen, she got gutted by a glassing cannon in Escalation.

Also didn't she leave like, another fourth of her existing compliment on Reach when they had to lift off in Shadows?

A bunch of Pelicans didn't make it up so they dove for the surface instead and Chief's like "God, I wish I could be them."

[crystal schooner]

Then again, isn’t infinity equipped with energy shielding ?

[gilded mason]

Enough force can pop shields

[unique rune]

I dunno if ‘sacrificed’ is even the right word, the prow of that dreadnought class looks like it’s specifically designed for ramming

[crystal schooner]

But how much force is the difference between an impenetrable shield and bubble wrap.

[gilded mason]

Less than what those ships did

[unique rune]

Force is equal to mass times acceleration

A space warship has a lot of mass even if it isn’t necessarily accelerating that much

And if it’s going in for a ram it’s going to be accelerating

[crystal schooner]

In this case, yes. F = ma

[crystal schooner]

Yeah, but isn’t infinity equipped with bulky titanium A plating ?

And it did cleave a covenant CCS capital chip in half

In Spartan Ops Episode 1

[gilded mason]

Well it obviously wasn't strong enough to withstand the Banished ships' force lol

[unique rune]

It blew through an old RCS-class armored cruiser

[gilded mason]

They later stated it was a pretty weak ship type

[crystal schooner]

Source ?

[unique rune]

those things don’t have energy shields, just reinforced armor plating

[scarlet hinge]

Titanium plating is pretty much like butter to Covenant weaponry - it's pretty much irrelevant

[gilded mason]

The Infinity can be beaten, and that's okay.

[scarlet hinge]

also worth considering is that Banished ships have an antigravity ramming weapon on their front

they're pretty much laser-focused on ramming into enemy ships, much like the Viking ships they're based on

[unique rune]

I mean.
This isn’t a CCS.
It’s an RCS.
https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/9/9e/InfinityRam.jpg

[scarlet hinge]

to quote the Halo Encyclopedia, page 462:

1 superheavy grav-impact driver

[crystal schooner]

Okay, but what about Infinity’s MAC guns and mass drivers ?

[unique rune]

Most of Jul’s fleet at Requiem was made up of the much smaller CRS-class of light cruisers

[scarlet hinge]

MACs are irrelevant

they can only fire forward

so it's a good thing the Banished ships came from the side

[crystal schooner]

Which mass driver was the one Six piloted during the Pillar of Autumn mission ?

[scarlet hinge]

I really think half of your issues with the cutscene come from the fact that you weren't actually paying attention to it while watching it

[unique rune]

B312 operated a Mark 2488 Onager

They’re relatively light compared to shipborne MACs

[scarlet hinge]

that's a Mark 2551 Onager - they only have a very limited coverage and aren't suitable for taking out a warship when you're firing at its most armoured point

it works in that one level because you fire into the energy projector when the shields are down

the banished ships face Infinity with their heavily armoured prows

the Onager turrets serve more as a defensive measure against light warships

UNSC ships are designed to engage targets from hundreds of thousands, or millions, of kilometres away - not point-blank range

Infinity is not, never was, and never should have been good at absolutely everything and every situation

it has weaknesses - and those weaknesses were exploited

albeit, in an arguably very narratively unsatisfying way, but that doesn't mean it can't happen in-universe

[scarlet quiver]

I love all this talk, makes my day. True Infinity can be beaten, it was.
Mos def true that it was unsatisfying.
When it was stated that "infinite will be a spiritual reboot," they did exactly what i hoped they wouldnt. Which is practically end all the story arcs in an unsatisfying way, while leaving them open if they need to bring anything back.
But i also see that they kinda wrote themselves into a corner and want a fresh do-over, but damn. Some of write offs, like Infinity, is just frustrating.

[last anchor]

The more I think about it the more similiarties I feel the Jiralhane and the Orks from 40k have.
With the Jiralhanee being a bit less football hooligan overall.

To be entirely fair we dont REALLY know what happened to Infinity.
We know she was abandoned but that was it. She doesnt look like shes in the skybox right now and we know Zeta is not where it was found.

[gilded mason]

Infinity really needs to be destroyed for the good of the series, so it had better be scrap.

[terse lava]

@gilded mason or, or, hear me out. The Banished repurchase it as a giant base you ha e to destroy.

[copper plover]

The infinity is cool you bunch of nerds

[heady geyser]

Do Spartans ever celebrate Christmas?

[unique rune]

Spartan-IIs and -IIIs, probably not
Spartan-IVs absolutely would

[empty thistle]

I could see IIIs doing it and some IIs. They arent all cold hearted killers

[unique rune]

Sure, maybe, like, Kurt would’ve joined in on Christmas celebrations given the opportunity but like. For most of the rest it’s not gonna be something they feel much towards

They spent around eight years of their lives getting just about everything that wasn’t military discipline trained out of them, then another thirty fighting an enemy that would never give them the downtime to celebrate much of anything

[hazy shadow]

Nah. All Spartans would celebrate Christmas when able to. They understand the concept of esprit de corps and would have covered the famous armistices of WW1 and other major conflicts. Outside of the fact they're dealing with aliens, they'd do what they can to celebrate when they can.

[scarlet hinge]

the first world war would be as relevant to them as the English civil war is to me

that is to say, it's not

[unique rune]

I mean I guess where I’m getting hung up is what we exactly mean by “celebrate Christmas” or other holidays

We know canonically the Spartan-IIs generally kept to themselves for practical and social reasons

[scarlet hinge]

i imagine by the 26th century, cultural shifts would have warped it sufficiently that while some "end of year" celebration exists, it's probably not at all recognisable to our modern conventions

likely a lot of fusion with other cultural/religious holidays around the same time

and equally, the diaspora of humanity away from Earth means much of the need for a cultural celebration around this time of year wouldn't exist. Winter solstice and new year don't happen on every planet at the same time, after all

i imagine many of the celebrations would be dependent on the planet in question and what climate/ peculiarities it has with respect to its orbit and weather, alongside the culture(s) that formed the initial settler populations there

humanity in the 26th century is a very diverse society of tens of billions of people spread across hundreds of planets, with massive travel and communication times between them - this is a huge melting pot to ensure the creation and fusion of thousands of cultures, beliefs, and traditions into forms completely unlike anything we have today

expecting them to hold the same reverence to anything we do now is basically continuing the same boring trend of transplanting modern America into the future, which is incredibly bland worldbuilding at best, and incredibly lazy worldbuilding at worst

the Belter civilisation in the Expanse is a very good example of this kind of thing in popular culture to take tips from

[copper plover]

Bacon, are you just an all knowing omniscient being

[gilded mason]

He is, yes.

[humble yacht]

smh

[copper plover]

Lmao

[near tide]

e

[copper plover]

ē

[hazy stone]

that is such a big engineering oversight the baboons who made MACs need to be fed to the flood

you cant in good faith call that a working warship

[gilded mason]

Their nature means they can't exactly turn any which way. Unless you want the shots to be a whole lot weaker

[unique rune]

Yeah it’s kinda hard to make a MAC fire any direction but forward when it’s like. A core structural component of the warship due to its space and power requirements.

We’re also talking about space warships that can adjust and fine tune their firing angle pretty quickly so it’s not even that big of a deal over the distances that MACs tend to be used

On this subject-
Are Anlace-class frigates no longer supposed to be fitted with a MAC?

Reading off its Halopedia page makes it seem like the ‘22 Encyclopedia changed the MAC turret to be a high-power laser instead.

[distant socket]

Is the UNSC just scattered?

the created took control of many worlds

[scarlet hinge]

This was never the case

The MAC statement originates as Stephen Loftus, on the article talk page, mentioned back in 2015 that the ship's primary weapon was turreted - not keel-mounted

At the time it wasn't unreasonable to assume the primary weapon was a MAC or a naval coilgun comparable to the Breakwater turret

However, the ship has never definitively been referred to as ever having a MAC in any source

[scarlet hinge]

Keel-mounting weapons is a very standard thing - weapons like that have extraordinary recoil and require longer barrels to accelerate their projectiles to their muzzle velocity. Putting them on a turret mount and firing them would sheer the ship in half

A UNSC warship is a giant gun, with engines and housing modules built around it

[scarlet hinge]

i just really like space warfare

I'm also a 3D artist on sins of the prophets

[copper plover]

And that’s why your awesome, congratulations, I get to ask you questions when I’m curious

Lmao

[copper plover]

Cool! I’d inquire more but I’m exhausted it’s 3am

[scarlet hinge]

No worries lol

I just woke up

Timezones, baby

How do they work

[copper plover]

Let’s go

[scarlet hinge]

But yeah SoTP is a Halo total conversion for the space RTS Sins of a Solar Empire

Some renders of the models from the mod got featured in the newest Halo Encyclopedia

[copper plover]

That’s actually cool as.. heck

I hate it here

I wanna say bad words

[scarlet hinge]

The Valiant, Marathon, Punic, Epoch, C709 Longsword, Gladius, Hillsbrough, Halberd, and Sinaris ships

[copper plover]

Ooo Punic???

Old and crusty ship

Nice

[scarlet hinge]

And the Ester-pattern frigate and Point Blank-class prowler were designs created by the mod team and officially canonised by 343 to reprrsent hitherto-unpictured ships from the books

Which was incredibly cool

[copper plover]

Now that, is cash money

When devs do cool things like that

[scarlet hinge]

So the wiki infobox images for all those ships are renders by Mal and Sook

[copper plover]

Just mm perfect

[scarlet hinge]

Yeah it's a really cool thing

They also commissioned artwork from Levi Hoffmeier for the book (aka the guy who did A Fistful of Arrows)

[hazy stone]

well having insanely high caliber rounds that are useless didnt exactly help

[copper plover]

Btw you said you just woke up, Is it 9am for you?

[scarlet hinge]

Yeah

[copper plover]

AHA

[scarlet hinge]

Most of the ships were designed before war with the Covenant

[hazy stone]

having several smaller guns that shoot nuclear bombs

yaknow

[copper plover]

I have pinpointed your location, start running
I’m jk obviously

[hazy stone]

blow up those brainlets

[scarlet hinge]

Nuclear material is much rarer. By 2535, several sectors had pretty much had their nuclear stockpiles depleted

[copper plover]

Nukes becoming just a casual armament is always funny

[hazy stone]

thats a fair point

[scarlet hinge]

A MAC is comparatively, very cheap to operate

[hazy stone]

these ships were built to deal with human threats right

[scarlet hinge]

Yep

[hazy stone]

i guess humans just had no chance at all

[scarlet hinge]

Cold war with the CMA, and then the Insurrection

[copper plover]

Humanity was getting curb stomped

[hazy stone]

effectively defenseless if it werent for plot armor 117

[copper plover]

Actually

[hazy stone]

from all the summaries of halo lore until and past infinite, the guy is walking plot armor

[copper plover]

A lot of the reason they delayed getting completely exterminated was because of the efforts of quite a few other Spartans, and just good planning

[hazy stone]

even more so than artyom from metro or the lore guardian in destiny

[copper plover]

Cortana says it herself, the guy is just really lucky

[hazy stone]

yeah johnson for example

[copper plover]

Wha?

[scarlet hinge]

On the strategic level, Spartans weren't doing that much for most of the war - the war was modtly decided in naval engagements, not ground battles

[copper plover]

My man played a role yes

[hazy stone]

he was one of the other heroes

that wasnt 117 that delayed humanitys end

[copper plover]

Yes but if you throw an organized group of Spartans at a covenant ship, if things go right, ship go ship’nt

[copper plover]

No

[scarlet hinge]

Yes but they have thousands of ships

[copper plover]

Fair point

[scarlet hinge]

Spartans can't do much to influence the overall direction of the war, sans the specific actions taken in the final few weeks

Most battles are space engagements that see humans curbstomped, and then glassed

Rinse and repeat

[copper plover]

The chad Cole

[scarlet hinge]

With a handful of victories here and there thanks to people like VADM Cole

[copper plover]

YEAAAAAH lmao

[copper plover]

The events of halos 1 through 3 took a few months if I remember correctly

[scarlet hinge]

even chief didn't really do all that much to end the war - Truth going off on one and deciding it was time for a civil war did most of it

[copper plover]

Lmfaooo I love that

[scarlet hinge]

Mid-September to Mid-December, 2552

[copper plover]

hm, right on the cusp of victory, today I think I’ll cause a civil war

[copper plover]

Thought so

[scarlet hinge]

brb

[copper plover]

So 4 months

But the human covenant war started what 2 decades ago?

Bacon we ought to hang out at some point so we can ramble endlessly at each other about halo lore none-sense

[scarlet hinge]

February 2525-December, 2552

Fall of Reach happens between July-September, 2552

CE, September 19-22

[copper plover]

Knew it

[scarlet hinge]

2, October 20-early November

H3, November 17-mid December

ceremony at Voi, March 2553

[copper plover]

Cool! Thank you for the dates, unfortunately I crave sleep so goodnight various nerds of the lore chat

[scarlet hinge]

have a good one

[scarlet hinge]

halopedia discord is full of this sort of thing tbh

[copper plover]

You’re my Halopedia now

[scarlet hinge]

well i do help run the site 😎

[copper plover]

Based, okay I really should sleep now, goodnight

[scarlet hinge]

👌

[unique rune]

Ah, alright.

[obtuse crow]

An example is operation uh first strike.

Where they blew up 500 covenant ships.

[wise karma]

And a massive refueling station

[sturdy sleet]

*was a very diverse society of tens of billions of people. Covies did a number on us.

[sturdy sleet]

Remember the Glory days of Xbox360's Xbox live? Good times. H3 was never as toxic as MWII, but it got close at times.

[copper plover]

Oh definitely, it’s why I’m upset I can’t say some very choice words

[last anchor]

Humanitys still in the billions. We had 800 worlds, not all of them burned.

[copper plover]

He’s not wrong though, humanity certainly did take a blow

[last anchor]

Not enough to no longer be diverse

[copper plover]

True

[fair hazel]

THaaaaank YOu!

https://twitter.com/Halo/status/1606394218079035415

Halo (@Halo)

The UNSC Infinity is the culmination of human achievement, an experimental supercarrier utilizing alien technologies and crewed by humanity's finest. Ambushed and boarded by the Banished at Zeta Halo, its current status is unknown. #FictionFriday

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Twitter · Dec 23, 2022, 9:00 PM

Current status is UNKNOWN

[last anchor]

Unsurprising.

"No body no proof"

[fair hazel]

Wasn't I saying something a few days ago too

[last anchor]

Yes.

[copper plover]

Let’s goooo

[heady geyser]

Best bet it’s down on zeta halo but crippled

[obtuse crow]

Mhm.

[humble yacht]

unlikely that infinity crashed on zeta

futhermore, zeta apparently teleported away from its original site, so the infinity was probably left behind where zeta used to be

[copper plover]

That’s what I was thinking didn’t it go through slip-space for a bit?

[teal wave]

Question who would most likely win in a fight a spartan 2 or a gamma 3 both equally matched weapons and armor and they are close quarters

[gilded mason]

Both equally likely if there are no other factors.

[last anchor]

It did. Either Cortana did it or an emergency slipspace similar to what happened to 04 when Chief set off the Pillar of Autumns reactors

[keen pine]

Will we see the SOS again or not?

[humble yacht]

alpha halo teleported? but the remains of the ring were right where the covenant originally found it near the gas giant

[blazing shoal]

common question, but how does the needler works?

[humble yacht]

nobody knows

it's always been a mystery

[icy yoke]

@blazing shoal needler was never given explanation. But I assume it works on oxygen expanding semi crystalline shards store plasma.

[scarlet quiver]

Okay, but how is the oxygen supplied? As wasnt the needler fired from space at some point in Reach?

I think your idea is probably quite close.

[icy yoke]

Scientific paper on oxygen activated metallic crystals
https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.langmuir.6b01139

Much the same way peimwr activates gunpowder in a bullet, I say oxygen delay candle in shard when fired triggers destructive reaction

[scarlet quiver]

Totally makes sense,
Man, I would love more lore on Banished supply and mining operations.

Where are they getting the materials???

If zeta was teleported then I wonder if the Banished are locked with what supplies they have, or is there a celestial body or belt that they could use?

[scarlet hinge]

Halo Wars 2 phoenix logs

Read the stuff on the Banished buildings

They mine the Ark/Halo itself

[silk sundial]

Can someone explain to me what tf is going on lore wise with infinite's multi-player?

[fair hazel]

Halo nightfall

[terse lava]

@silk sundial new Spartans are being trained at a secret academy to avoid Cortana. Some are sent out on a mission to get some Banished intel, come back with a Banished AI

[scarlet quiver]

Oi, thanks.
Checking those out now.

[last anchor]

Part of it did. Alpha Shard, where Nightfall takes place

[last anchor]

We have a book with Thel coming out next year

[keen pine]

Oh cool.

[fair hazel]

Any news about Troy

[last anchor]

Last I heard, he got through surgery a-okay and he's recovering.

REALLY hope he stays that way, we already lost Greg.

[radiant copper]

Who is Greg

[unique rune]

Greg Bear, author of the Forerunner novel trilogy and… lots of other sci-fi

[radiant copper]

Oh I vegally remember reading that

[silk sundial]

Also a meme of this lovable brute from I believe infinite. Can't send it cause I don't have pic perms

[last anchor]

Craig. Your thinking of Craig.

Specifically its a single reference image of a Brute that gets melee'd by Chief in the earliest reveal trailer for Infinite because that build of the game didnt have all the death aninimations in yet.

Someone got a shot of it and the blank Brute face was meme'd.
343 took it and ran with it and now hes a musician with a band and an Unggoy back up that toured Zeta Halo. You can find his equipment on top of Chak Loks tower.

Said Grunt is named Riffslap if Im not mistaken

[copper plover]

That’s amazing

[obtuse crow]

Crazy.

[icy yoke]

Timothy Zahn of halo.

Technical question: do starships in UNSC have "Star Trek" esque equivalent to "Structural Integrity Field" to provide Structural redundancy and rigidity for their ships. Especially massive kilometer long vessels.

[last anchor]

Not that we're aware of.
Some do have ridiculous titanium-a honeycombing like the Pillar of Autumn.

But for the most part theres no particular indication of stability stuff.

That being said, most of them arent exactly designed for ridiculously high-intensity manouvers so

[unique rune]

didn’t you already ask this question

For that matter UNSC ships have never been suggested to have any extra systems needed for structural integrity and stability, the hulls are pretty much just assumed to be strong enough to hold up to the stresses they’ll endure

[pallid thicket]

I noticed in I think Halo Primordium, there was a subtle nod to Bungie’s original take that the Forerunners were humans

Basically mention that some believed Humans and Forerunners are somewhat related

[terse lava]

Yeah, its revealed that both Humans and Forerunners came from a "base stock." It is unknown if this was an already existing species, or if the two races were thr first living examples of a mere blue print

[drowsy mesa]

It did

[drowsy mesa]

It tried to, but only a shard of Alpha Halo managed to teleport (and then it would be relevant to the events on Sedra and Locke's team)

[gaunt oak]

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[half cliff]

Is halo wars cannon

[terse lava]

@half cliff Yes, it takes place a few years into the Human-Covenant war

[scarlet hinge]

why would it not be?

[copper plover]

YOU

[obtuse crow]

forerunner dominance.

Def.

[copper plover]

Mwhahahaha

[unique rune]

Halo Wars is definitely canon but I dunno if anyone’s ever successfully used it to shoot anything, so I would say its cannon status is ambiguous.

[copper plover]

It is most definitely cannon

[obtuse crow]

100%.

canon.

proof is that uh.

there is wreckage of trove.

And evidence of the spirit of fire was found there.

Before being destroyed.

[obtuse crow]

yes, very good.

[copper plover]

Proof: it was revealed to me in an dream

[golden pulsar]

Merry Christmas, or happy Christmas, or happy Hanukkah, or happy Kwanzaa everyone

[icy yoke]

I'd still think they fashion means reinforce the hull.

Tungsten is hard and rigid, so integrated into ships hull

[crystal schooner]

It did, yeah.

Mendicant Bias triggered the jump.

[copper plover]

Oooooooo really?

This got interesting

[crystal schooner]

During Faber's trial, Installation 07 appeared over Maethrillian. The rampant Mendicant Bias managed to subvert its other extensions on five of the remaining Halo rings, and cripple the capital's forces, while releasing the Master Builder from captivity. However, the emergent IsoDidact used a control code to temporarily stun Mendicant Bias, which allowed the Capital's defenses to respond to the attack and assault the Halos under Mendicant Bias' control.[33] The capital's fleets opened fire on Installation 07, while the Halo's sentinels and the Master Builder's ships attempted to defend it.[33] Many of the ships involved in the battle were destroyed and crashed across the ringworld.[34] Despite the installation taking heavy damage, Mendicant Bias successfully activated the ring's main weapon at the conclusion of the battle, presumably wiping out all life in the Capital system.[28]

[copper plover]

I meant during the initial fight for 07

The unsc fighting the banished and whatnot

I read it in the rubicon protocol but I haven’t finished it yet

[crystal schooner]

Oh, regarding that, I have no idea. I haven’t read the Rubicon Protocol yet 😅

[copper plover]

Lmao, thank you for the recap on the lore though, it’s one of my favs

[crystal schooner]

Anytime, Master Builder.

Has the new book regarding the Didact been released yet ?

[copper plover]

👈👈😎

Not sure honestly

I don’t think so

[crystal schooner]

I see. I’m honestly pretty interested for what happened to him after getting digitized.

[copper plover]

Didn’t something similar happen to guilty spark

I haven’t caught up on any of that yet

[crystal schooner]

No idea, but I think he’s back as an Armiger this time.

Halo: Point of Light

[copper plover]

Does sound very familiar

[copper plover]

Oh now he’s more dangerous, lmao

[crystal schooner]

After taking over the ship,[6] he rebuilt himself as an armiger and began a search for the Librarian, a search that would lead him to seek out a new path for himself with the crew of the Ace of Spades and going simply by Spark.[7]

After locating Bastion, Spark decided to leave the Ace of Spades and become the caretaker of the shield world, feeling that he didn't belong in the past or present but rather outside of time. As a final gift to his friends, Spark helped Lessa and Niko with their future endeavors and repaired Little Bit to be the new shipboard AI of the Ace of Spades. With Rion gone, Spark departed with Bastion to an unknown location.[8]

[crystal schooner]

Put him as a Fortnite skin.

Like John

[obtuse crow]

Too bad that nobody’s advanced enough to build him a new body like the old forerunners could.

[copper plover]

Ahh that’s another one by Kelly gay, I gotta get that book

[crystal schooner]

But yeah, I think so, if he happened to get angry again, he’d be able to fight physically, instead of with his Spartan Laser as a monitor.

[copper plover]

Hey the laser face was cool

[crystal schooner]

Interesting.

[crystal schooner]

It is, yes.

[copper plover]

LMFAO

[obtuse crow]

Yeah, mind transfer crap.

halopedia has an article.

[copper plover]

Apparently a regular sentinel been burns at something like 15,000 degrees e Celsius?

I know it’s a random tangent

[crystal schooner]

The AI creation process ?

[copper plover]

Just though it was cool

[crystal schooner]

😎👍

I want some more lore on the Precursors

[copper plover]

I kinda like how vague they are

[obtuse crow]

no, they could quite literally transfer somebody’s mind to another body and that’s why I say it’s too bad nobody’s around to build the Ur-didact a new body.

“Mind transfer is the process of duplicating or transferring the consciousness and memories of an individual from their original brain substrate into a digital or quantum-based computational system or another biological neural network. Through a simulation of the original brain's neural functions, the mind is able to continue its existence as a conscious and self-aware entity; in cases of advanced mind uploading, there is virtually no distinction between the original and the upload”

[crystal schooner]

Aren’t Bornstellar and his wife still around ?

[obtuse crow]

once the halos were fired and everything was safe they left the galaxy.

It’s likely he either died off or is living somewhere else.

[crystal schooner]

Random tangent: Why are the Ark’s cooling stations located in a snowy environment ?

[copper plover]

I actually recently learned about this

[crystal schooner]

Wouldn’t the heat from the cooling stations melt the snow ?

[copper plover]

No we’re simply built different

[obtuse crow]

It’s an interesting side of the forerunners power.

[copper plover]

I mean, these are the same people that tilted the axis plane of the universe just to see if they could

[crystal schooner]

It’s canon that they play games on long slipspace journeys, btw.

[copper plover]

Omg really?

I gotta learn more

[crystal schooner]

Wat ? I’ve never heard about that before, Faber ?

[copper plover]

Lmao yeah

I gotta find that

[crystal schooner]

You bet. They’re called diverting games.

[copper plover]

I remember reading it somewhere though

[crystal schooner]

Bet they would have God of War: Ragnarok in their armor

[copper plover]

Lmfao

That’d be cool

Vr but better

[obtuse crow]

They contemplated it.

[copper plover]

I thought they did

[obtuse crow]

I don’t recall them actually doing it however.

[mighty narwhal]

Hi new here

[crystal schooner]

I want to see their version of mathematics, honestly.

[copper plover]

Welcome!

[mighty narwhal]

Thanks

[crystal schooner]

Welcome, Spartan.

Anyway, I’d like to also know how their translation software taps into our minds

To translate stuff

Like in the Ark terminals

[obtuse crow]

it’s possible that forerunner tech can just hijack our brains.

As in the case of when tragic solitude used pheromones iirc to get vale to him.

[crystal schooner]

Oh yeah. The book with Bobby in it.

I remember Bobby

[obtuse crow]

mhm.

[copper plover]

Wacky forerunner shenanigans

[crystal schooner]

No, but wouldn’t tragic solitude have Wikipedia to check what pheromones to use. That’s like, public knowledge, innit ?

[mighty narwhal]

Man I’m only 11 but halo 4 was my first video game to ever play my mom showed me it ever since that I’ve loved halo

[copper plover]

The original trilogy by bungie will always be my favorite before halo 4

To each their own, I’m glad you enjoy halo

[crystal schooner]

I’m listening to the Visegrad Relay ambience

Rn

[obtuse crow]

Tragic solitude likely had access to a lot of forerunner history which could include a sort of Wikipedia.

[copper plover]

Based

[obtuse crow]

Forerunner-flood war for me.

Well, music.

[crystal schooner]

Send link please.

[obtuse crow]

alright.

[crystal schooner]

What about Reach ?

[copper plover]

Also very good

[crystal schooner]

Based chad

[copper plover]

Though controversial, I liked it

[crystal schooner]

I liked the forerunner vessel buried in the ice

[copper plover]

There’s nothing wrong with reach I will die on this hill

That was pretty cool to see in the very griddy art direction the game went it

[crystal schooner]

Pretty interesting, lore wise.

[copper plover]

Tell me more, watcha know about it?

[obtuse crow]

Sent.

[obtuse crow]

Honestly, reach was made extremely good.

[crystal schooner]

There are Xbox 360 Halo Reach limited editions in Dr. Halsey’s lab

[copper plover]

Ohhh the Easter egg!

I love that one

[crystal schooner]

Yeah, the tribute room

[crystal schooner]

Same

[copper plover]

It’s my favorite, bungie used to be so cool

[crystal schooner]

Take me back to 2007

[copper plover]

For real, 2022 ain’t nothin I wanna go back

[crystal schooner]

Midnight release of Halo 3

At GameStop

My dad flew out to Seattle

[obtuse crow]

Take me back to 2012 when reach came out.

[crystal schooner]

To get a copy of Halo 3

Oh wait. I almost forgot

[obtuse crow]

[copper plover]

Aw man, the first halo I ever played was halo reach at a friends house, the first one I owned was halo 3, but I still had the og Xbox at that time, I eventually got halo ce and halo 2, and since then this game has always been my favorite series, I love it more than anything

[copper plover]

Based dad

[crystal schooner]

Make the game fun before you make it visually appealing

• Jason Jones

They did it with Halo

[copper plover]

God, og bungie was just so amazing

[crystal schooner]

Also, based childhood

[copper plover]

Right?

[crystal schooner]

OORAH

[copper plover]

I remember watching the dev videos for the originals, halo was a passion project and they genuinely cared about it and their community, the innovated so much, they just aren’t the same anymore

[crystal schooner]

Sad 😞

[copper plover]

343 is at least trying by taking steps in the right direction as of recently, I just hope they continue in the right direction

[obtuse crow]

Yeah, I played halo on the same Xbox for so many years and I just didn’t care about the graphics because it didn’t matter to me lol.

[copper plover]

Truly ;n;

[copper plover]

Same

[crystal schooner]

If they end up with another bad campaign , I’m switching to PlayStation.

I like the direction they took with Infinite though.

[copper plover]

Woah now, let’s not get too carried away

[obtuse crow]

Honestly, as stand alone games.

Halo 5 and infinite.

Aren’t horrible.

[copper plover]

There will never be a good trilogy like the ogs

Story wise

[crystal schooner]

This. This is… quality content.

[copper plover]

I miss the story

[obtuse crow]

uh.

That’s a big maybe.

[copper plover]

Don’t get me wrong Halo 5 was such a fun multiplayer

[obtuse crow]

BC if they actually make games where you play during the human-forerunner war and flood war.

[crystal schooner]

I guess the books count.

[obtuse crow]

that’s gonna be 10/10.

[copper plover]

Oh definitely

[crystal schooner]

Yeah, but they need to pull it off correctly.

[copper plover]

Me and the bois fighting the flood, 97,000 bce

[copper plover]

Yes

[obtuse crow]

mhm.

2 sides you could do it on.

[crystal schooner]

They should make it an open-world action-adventure game

FPS also

, like The Callisto Protocol

[copper plover]

They could take it in such a different direction, it doesn’t even have to play like halo because it’s so completely different from playing as a Spartan

[obtuse crow]

You could make one similar to halo wars where you are commanding forerunner ground forces across planets while you slowly have to retreat as the flood consumes more and more plus the other side is that you play as the Ur-didact then later Iso during the wars which you get to see their POV.

[copper plover]

Super nova time!

[crystal schooner]

Then modders get into the game and delete the flood, saving the forerunner ecumene.

[copper plover]

Lmfao

I got another idea, can you imagine playing a mil-sim as a regular marine

Could take a darker approach like reach did

So much untapped potential in halos lore

[obtuse crow]

yeah lol.

[copper plover]

Im still sad they censored my name

[obtuse crow]

you were too corrupt.

[copper plover]

I am simply built different

[obtuse crow]

you literally wouldn’t admit the first 12 halo rings failure but knew how bad they were.

[crystal schooner]

Bro just loves his rings

That said though, you pulled a Stalin on Maker of Moons

When she provided improvements

[copper plover]

You have to shoot people to kill them, I deploy a giant hoolahoop, we are not the same

[obtuse crow]

you have to deploy a giant hoolahoop.

I just gotta blow up a star.

[copper plover]

Fair point

Why not both

[crystal schooner]

Change your name to Gus Fring

We are not the same

[copper plover]

LMFAOOO

[crystal schooner]

That’s why

[copper plover]

As much as I love that, I absolutely love my original name, it somehow flew under the radar for a hot minute

It’s legacy lives on

[crystal schooner]

Waltuh, here’s what you’re gonna do

You’re gonna unalive your engineers

Take over the old council

And celebrate with the rest of your bois

Got that, Waltuh ?

[copper plover]

Sounds cash money

[crystal schooner]

Wait, I just realized

Didact has probably had an AI companion as well

All forerunners have one in their armor

[copper plover]

Yes this is true

And he couldn’t stop the John halo

[obtuse crow]

Yeah.

He did.

[crystal schooner]

[obtuse crow]

To be fair.

there’s lot of viable reasons why.

[crystal schooner]

John planted a nuke in the guy’s chest

I’m sure no Forerunner could survive that

[obtuse crow]

mini-nuke*

[obtuse crow]

Well.

He actually did.

Lol.

[crystal schooner]

Wait wait

[copper plover]

No it was a grenade, he had to detonate the nuke to destroy the whatever

[crystal schooner]

I’m sensing that I am wrong

I sent the message

[copper plover]

Goofy

[crystal schooner]

But immediately after, realised that he survived

[obtuse crow]

Pulse grenades are mini-nukes.

Like legit.

[crystal schooner]

Goofy ahh productions

[copper plover]

Pulse grenades suck in game though

Weird

[obtuse crow]

well, it has to be fair.

[crystal schooner]

Against the prometheans ?

Or also against the covenant ?

[copper plover]

Against anything?

I remember them being horrible in halo 4

[crystal schooner]

Are pulse grenades the sticky ones ?

[copper plover]

I don’t remember what they were like in 5

[copper plover]

No they’re the orange ones

[crystal schooner]

Ah ok then.

What’s your net worth, Faber ?

[obtuse crow]

they honestly haven’t done much Justice to forerunner stuff.

[crystal schooner]

In pre-UNSC dollars

[copper plover]

They really haven’t

[crystal schooner]

I don’t think they could without ending up like Halo 2 LASO

[obtuse crow]

Except for the forerunner hardlight rifle 4 taking 4 shots to kill mostly anything.

[crystal schooner]

Forerunner stuff is unreasonably overpowered

[copper plover]

They nerfed forerunner stuff so hard in game

[crystal schooner]

They could’ve equipped John with Forerunner armor and sort of turned him into a Promethean technologically

[obtuse crow]

tbh yeah.

[copper plover]

Well, aren’t promethium’s just worse forerunners anyways so

[obtuse crow]

Robotic ones are.

[crystal schooner]

No, they were the top G’s

[obtuse crow]

The actual promethan warriors.

That are a branch of the warrior servants.

[crystal schooner]

👍

[obtuse crow]

are not.

[copper plover]

No actual forerunner were actually hard to kill, I.e warrior servants

[crystal schooner]

Yeah, but the Prometheans were like the Spartans of Warrior Servants

The warrior servants are like ODSTs and Marines

[obtuse crow]

I said robotic promethans are worse than actual warrior servants that are from the highest order of them.

[copper plover]

Forerunner armor is not a joke though

[obtuse crow]

true.

[crystal schooner]

It isn’t, yes.

[copper plover]

What?

Oh

Yes

[crystal schooner]

But the Promethean Knights are the guys in-game and they adapt to your difficulty, so to speak.

If you choose Legendary, that’s probably closest to their actual performance in irl battle.

[copper plover]

Undoubtably, I just remember actual forerunner being extremely difficult to kill, well until the flood that is

[crystal schooner]

Lore wise though, I have no idea how they stack up against their previously biological selves

I’d have to imagine they were the same

But again, I have no idea, and I don’t want to incur the wrath of any actual Halopedians

[copper plover]

Lmao, all I remember is the promethium’s were basically an army that could be coordinated like a hive mind

[crystal schooner]

I got absolutely bodied last time for asking how the banished took down the UNSC Infinity

[copper plover]

Same

[crystal schooner]

Life workers look like sentient PS5s

[copper plover]

LMAO

I like bungies take on the forerunners

Can’t send it, it’s my thingy in my profile from halo legends about the forerunner flood war, I thought they looks significantly cooler than 343s take

[crystal schooner]

👍

[obtuse crow]

Exactly.

How the heck.

Did it get taken down.

even with a lot of its high powered weaponry down.

There was likely still people on Mini-macs and crap.

Plus other stuff.

Plus iirc infinity had an escort too.

[copper plover]

Supposedly understaffed and taken by surprise upon leaving slipspace

Yadayada

[crystal schooner]

Bill Gates asked Captain Lasky to make Infinity go down so that Microsoft could make a new Halo game

[obtuse crow]

impossible, they were on the run.

They would have to be alert.

Roland could have managed a lot of systems by himself if he wanted to.

[copper plover]

Exactly

[obtuse crow]

Even if they were understaffed.

If they just stayed to their ship, they could have had enough people to man every gun.

With Roland on board he could teach everybody how to man each gun.

[copper plover]

But apparently they weren’t doing Cole protocol and went straight there? Idk, there’s a nerd around here who explains it better Lmfao

[obtuse crow]

it. doesn’t. Make. Sense.

[copper plover]

Yep

[crystal schooner]

The Cole Protocol has nothing to do with the combat effectiveness of a ship. It’s just a plan to make sure that no ships find out where Earth is located.

Basically, an AI punches in random slipspace coordinates

[copper plover]

Point is I thought they were making random jumps

[crystal schooner]

They were, I think.

[copper plover]

I thought so too

[obtuse crow]

To an extent yeah.

You saw at the end of halo 5.

[crystal schooner]

But, to quote Pyrocynical, “Unlucky”

[obtuse crow]

Emergency slipspace jump by infinity to avoid getting hit with the emp.

[crystal schooner]

@copper plover , why did you have to make the big ring in space. Why, bro, why ?

[obtuse crow]

What I find funny is that.. Cortana with all her power still considered infinity such a huge threat to hunt it down.

[crystal schooner]

She’s just a clingy ex, bro.

She’s tryna find John

[obtuse crow]

xd.

That’s true.

[obtuse crow]

mmm, true.

[copper plover]

Hehehe giant hoola hoop go brrrr

[crystal schooner]

Halo Infinite VS Family guy FPS game

Who wins ?

[obtuse crow]

bet.

[copper plover]

Cartoon rules or regular rules

[crystal schooner]

Regular rules

But you can switch characters in the Family guy fps game

[copper plover]

Hmmm…

This is tough

[crystal schooner]

Playable elites vs no playable elites

[copper plover]

I would love playable elites again

Oh god it’s 4am

I think I should sleep lmao

[obtuse crow]

lol.

[distant socket]

How does the arbiter survive the gas mine crumbling down in the gas planet

[obtuse crow]

well.

It’s forerunner in nature that gas min.

Mine*

It gives him a lot of extra time tbh.

Since it would be made out of durable materials but other than that.

He escaped via a banshee.

[timid skiff]

anyone else who prefers the Bungie lore regarding the Forerunner/Human connection and the Flood origins? (mostly the pre-Halo 3 lore)

[humble yacht]

I'll say i prefer the Flood before Greg Bear's additions to their lore

[abstract wren]

nope, and it doesnt matter

[last anchor]

For a little bit I did but I like the idea of a giant War In Heaven sorta thing between the humans and Forerunners that lasted for longer than many human lifespans so.

Bear also made the Flood truly and utterly terrifying and for that, I am entirely glad.
I like my literally unstoppable eldrich horrors.

[humble yacht]

i don't like how he boiled down the flood's motivation to just simple revenge

i thought it was more interesting when the flood's motivations were amoral; just an organism doing what it does to survive

[last anchor]

I mean, techincally thats the case, until the Gravemind forms, if that counts.

Feral Flood is just "survive, adapt, grow"

[abstract wren]

when was it said that ? It was always an objective to make a new order.

[last anchor]

Everything before this kind of hinted at it basically just wanting to survive and grow, the Gravemind didnt mention any of the stuff Greg added.

Thought the way he weaved the stuff from Bungie's lore into his own to make it all work was pretty awesome.
The part about time being a sentence the Gravemind never deserved in relation to what Bornstellar did to it? Dang.

[jade fable]

hi is there a very useful highly recommending something(website) that lays out whats happened in the game so far? i just started infinite and while i think what happened between guardians and infinite will become known as i play thru, wondering if there's another resource i can scour before i continue

[last anchor]

Halopedia

You can also read the books Bad Blood, Shadows of Reach, and Rubicon Protocol, which each lead into each other (Bad Blood closes up Halo 5s story, Shadows of Reach leads into Infinite proper and Rubicon Protocol fills in some off screen stuff

Oh, and the audio series Memory Agent

[jade fable]

thanks

[polar silo]

helloooo guys

[terse sage]

Is Rubicon Protocol any good? I've only ever read 2 halo books, being Fall of Reach and First Strike

[last anchor]

I liked it

[copper plover]

Yes

[abstract wren]

It's not bad but it's relatively empty however. I would recommend to read other books like the forerunner trilogy or the kilo-5 trilogy, or SIlent Storm if you like John. Shadows of Reach is great too.

[dull tiger]

I got it for Christmas, so I'll find out.

[humble yacht]

that line was originally in H3 tho

and there it made sense because back then, the flood wasn't "evil" anymore than a bacterial infection is evil. Greg Bear added intent to cause harm to the flood, which makes them definitely deserve the sentence of 100,000 years of unlife brought about by the halos

[sturdy sleet]

Listen. Reach has been good to me. Time's come to return the favor.

[copper plover]

Don’t deny me this..

[last anchor]

Thats what I meant, it didnt used to mean anything but then it did, and I kinda liked that.
The Flood being something more than JUST an infection makes me like em more mostly cause I really liked the Xenomorphs and finding out the Flood were like them but WORSE more or less was very cool

[humble yacht]

no it definitely meant something back then

if anything it meant more back then

i mean, i guess you do you but I think the "man vs nature" approach is the better approach

[crystal schooner]

Tell ‘em to make it count

[copper plover]

long night of solace from the halo reach ost plays

[crystal schooner]

Slipspace rupture detected x10 times

[copper plover]

A man of culture I see

Oddly enough I’ve played halo 3 so many times since I was little that I can recite each cutscene word for word

[native saddle]

Hello

I have one question

Does the UNSC use lasers

I meant with ships

Not soldiers

[copper plover]

Ehhhh

Sorta?

They used to not at all

Modern unsc last I checked use some kind of Mac laser hybrid maybe?

There’s a naval warfare nerd around here somewhere he can answer that

He’s pretty based

[copper plover]

AYO @scarlet hinge got a question for you

[obtuse crow]

“Im getting you out of here.”

[crystal schooner]

No… No you’re not.

[copper plover]

Don’t let her go. Don’t EVER, let her go..

[crystal schooner]

Send me out…

[copper plover]

With a bang.

[crystal schooner]

[copper plover]

Quotes aside, when he lights the ring and the way chief stands in front of the beam, goes so hard

[crystal schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-sgt-johnson-sergeant-johnson-dies-halo3-gif-26452434

[crystal schooner]

They have recreated the same thing sorta in Infinite

Have you played the Infinite campaign yet ?

[copper plover]

I have

It’s aight

[crystal schooner]

👌

[copper plover]

I would have loved to see returning characters from 5 and some redemption for them

[crystal schooner]

Basically, when Adjutant Resolution sees John and new Cortana messing with the spire, he fires the Spartan Laser at them, in almost the same way as Spark did in H3

But this time, Chief tanks the beam.

[crystal schooner]

I think they kept Lasky around.

In audio logs

[copper plover]

Oh I know that but, I never understood that, but I guess there is quite the difference between gen 1 and gen 3 mjolnir

[crystal schooner]

I guess so.

[copper plover]

Blegh grammar

Me no speak word good cause lazy

[crystal schooner]

I want Master Chief vs Kratos

See who wins

[crystal schooner]

Truly a forerunner moment

[copper plover]

Why say many word when few word do trick

[crystal schooner]

To each their own, Builder.

[copper plover]

Save time with less word, focus on maek more ring

Make ring ringerer

[crystal schooner]

Okay, but won’t your 76 wives laugh at you if you talk to them like that.

[copper plover]

HAH

THEY GOT YOU FOR SAYING A BAD WORD

It’s okay it happens to me more than it should

Free my boi he ain’t do nothin

Smh

[obtuse crow]

oh.

He got muted.

Rip.

[copper plover]

F

[unique rune]

Some postwar frigate classes are fitted with lasers as their main offensive armament, like the Anlace-class' turreted Helios laser or the Mulsanne-class' Brightlance reflex laser. They're also used in a limited capacity as point-defense weapons on vessels like Winter-class prowlers.

[scarlet hinge]

Yes

Aside from the ones mentioned above, the Spartan Laser is one of the most prominent examples

And of course, ranging lasers are a standard thing used in space combat for target acquisition purposes

[last anchor]

The one on the Gremlin too.

[scarlet quiver]

If Halo lore became mainstream audiobooks, i think David Scully should totally sign up for the job.

[copper plover]

As much as I love all the books and stuff I really wish we could get all the in between stuff in an actual game

Or as part of the story of one of them games

[abstract wren]

But books are a main support too now. It must said and done by 343. It's what make Halo a transmedia license

THe "in between" can't be in games because games cannot support those story (mostly for budget reason but too because it is secondary too)

[copper plover]

Budget?

budget??

The multimillion dollar game studio backed by the richest corporation in existence can’t afford to make a game or dlc, out of any of the in between story telling the books do

I’m not opposed to the books, I’m just saying I wish I could get more game for my game

[unique rune]

I mean I feel like the problem is a lot of this stuff doesn’t really make for a good game, or is difficult to properly adapt to a game

Books allow for denser storytelling with more time to allow for downtime and stuff that isn’t shooty shooty bang bang action

[copper plover]

And that’s fine

But like, I want some kind of prequel to halo infinite, after halo 5, like it was what, a 2 year difference?

[unique rune]

And then you have stuff like Escalation which had material intended to be part of Spartan Ops, but apparently no one cared enough about SpOps so it had to get canned and wrapped up in a comic book series

[copper plover]

Spartan ops I guarantee wouldn’t be hated if firefight launched along side it

I didn’t mind it

I liked Roland making fun of that one guys whose name I don’t remember

[obtuse crow]

Honestly, being a hyper lethal spartan IV was fun tbh.

[copper plover]

Exactly

[obtuse crow]

lone wolf stuff.

[copper plover]

Lmao

[obtuse crow]

like none of my friends play halo so forced to be noble six.

[last anchor]

Different mediums provide different benefits

There’s stuff that really doesn’t fit in the games but being in a book makes it work

[wraith forum]

has anyone read the forerunner trilogy? is it as bad as i thought it was or am i just not a fan of it? i begrudgingly finished the first and honestly.. im not too keen on finishing it. especially when it has nothing really to do with the chief or arbitor. just didact and the forerunner lore i guess

[unique rune]

It's been a while since I read it and it's... very dense, to say the least. I don't think it's bad but if it's not subject material you care for I wouldn't blame you for not liking it.

[radiant copper]

Tried reading it but was a bit to long for me and some things just caused me to create silly images in my head

I didn't like it to much

[versed helm]

disagree

[abstract wren]

simplistic view. A game must be profitable too. Sometimes its just too much money

[abstract wren]

that too

[abstract wren]

Spartan Ops replaced firefight

[copper plover]

Man, I missed when the developers cared about the game they were making and weren’t just spitting out your yearly factory made game

But harsh, they’re trying at least now

[copper plover]

Dumb decision

[abstract wren]

time and budget

[abstract wren]

.... you really think they don't care ?

[copper plover]

I’m sure some of them do

But whatever’s in the corporations most interest is what goes

Most of the time anyways

[abstract wren]

It's just that they need to make money in order to be paid and not lay off, it's a job

[copper plover]

Yeah, but games used to be more than just a job

To some it’s their favorite job sure

But I miss the passion that used to go into story telling, into the game, the people that still have that, I’m thankful for, and 343 has been taken steps in the right direction so far, I’m happy to see it

[abstract wren]

Too bad for you to just care for a non-character and the Arbiter.... Halo is not just about 2 guys. It's an universe. A shame to be so narrow minded :/

[abstract wren]

but it's still the case for most of developpers, especially in 343

I think you just have a poor vision of developpers :/

[copper plover]

I have been hurt one too many times

[abstract wren]

XD

[terse sage]

Did Gauntlet Team survive Reach?

[unique rune]

Unknown, though I sure wouldn’t bet on it

[terse sage]

I was hoping they did, and maybe we could get an expansion on it sometime in the future

[abstract wren]

You can still hope ^^

[verbal pollen]

I think the biggest difference between Halo then and Halo now isn't the passion, it's the reputation
If Halo CE was bad, no one would have cared. They weren't trying to make a Halo game or a factory game, they were trying to make a game
Now they have a reputation to keep up with. It can't just be fun, it has to feel like Halo. If they mess up the story it's not just a meh story, they're messing up a beloved universe

[abstract wren]

yup totally aggree

add the fact that now 343 can't be themselves but must stick to "what is Halo", and you've got a n explosive coktail

[verbal pollen]

Tbf they are the main characters of the games. If you've only played the games, it feels fair to expect them in a Halo book
And, they're pretty cool characters too XD

[abstract wren]

the arbiter is a main character in only 1 game but yeah, I see this point. But time must change that... but it will not anymore

however saying that John is a cool character is true only if you think that a hollow shell is cool

[verbal pollen]

He's more of a man of action, he doesn't have a ton of lines. But he's more than a hollow shell. He has his own emotions and motivations, he's just not great at expressing them
It's where characters like Cortona/weapon, Johnson, and even Thel at times help balance him out

[abstract wren]

he clearly is a hollow shell

in 4 343 tried to do something and in 5 a little but. But now he is back as roboto

[verbal pollen]

And he's also center stage of a really cool story arc. A book on Chief would probably entail some Human and Covenant war, some weapons of mass destruction, or government corruption and kidnapping

[abstract wren]

what story arc ? it has been scrap so many times now...

[verbal pollen]

XD

I mainly mean the og trilogy

[abstract wren]

The arc of 4 is : is a robot ?
5 : should you always follow orders ? (like a robot) not clear, mainly no.
Infinite : f*** it, don't care about any ethical and moral question. Let's not even care about a genocide and a totalitarian regime.

Still waiting for the whole political consequences of child-soldier ....

ALl of this, is why a new character, who is not an empty shell, is needed

[verbal pollen]

"But now he's back as robotic" do you mean infinite? I thought infinite did the best at showing his character. He's not super emotional, he's technically a mild sociopath (struggles to feel emotion and relate with people). Yet he does feel, hints at hurt and fear from Cortona. He became ridiculously cynical (which contrasts nicely with Weapon's innocence). And despite all of that, he is still determined to do what's right.

[abstract wren]

no, Infinite is a rollback to Bungie's Chief. He doens't even care about the Pilot ! (doesn't know his name, don't care about his fear, doesn't understand the fact that he wants to leave in the cinematic in the middle of the game)

[verbal pollen]

Yeah, unsc is pretty messed up. The SII program was incredibly evil. But so are the banished, who were possibly trying to light the ring and at the very least, unleash the endless. Humanity was once again in danger and he stepped in to save them
Yeah, he's an SII, he's helping his abusers, but isn't that realistic? War is all he knows, UNSC is all he knows, through abuse and manipulation they painted themselves as the good guys. And they suppressed his emotions

[abstract wren]

emotions are not suppressed at all.
The rest, i aggree. But it's not addressed in the game

[verbal pollen]

Indeed
His name isn't important for the mission, his fear is getting in the way of it. Chief is narrow cited, he has his eyes on the end goal. Yet when the ||pilot gets captured, he risks his life, and even the mission, to try and save him||

But yeah, Chief is definitely a bit robotic, and it's definitely understandable that not everyone will like him
But these are also clear character traits, for better or for worse
Not just a blank slate, empty shell, or non-character

[abstract wren]

"His name isn't important for the mission" exacly what should't be a "hero" ....

[abstract wren]

what are his real character trait in Infinite ? Not what he does, what he is ?

Exemple : A hero. Not a trait

[verbal pollen]

• Narrow minded
• Mildly Sociopathic (or low empathy)
• Cynical
• Determined
• Courageous
• Heroic (the need to do what's right, and rectify a fallen and endangered world, even if his weakened emotional/moral state are obstacles)
• Hurt, and scared (his best friend, the only one (or one of the only ones) he learned to trust and form a bond with betrayed him. You can see this worsened his cynical state, as it directly applies to his sketchy relationship with weapon)

One could definitely make an argument that he's not a good character, or a good hero
But I really don't understand the argument that he's hardly a character at all

[abstract wren]

I don't see the fact that he is cynical or narrow minded...

[abstract wren]

because he doesn't have any relief

All the traits that you give are really on a single plan, nothing to make a good story about. ANd I see where you see the "hurt" but, come on, it's only details in the story... When will he breaks ? It should have been in Halo 6, after he has lost everything. But no, his arc was cut and now we are back to roboto Chief

So let's go back to stage 1 = HCE... but in 2022 that's not enough anymore

[spiral jewel]

I mean in 5 and Infinite. He's still dealing, rather unhealthily might i add, with the stages of grief.

[last anchor]

Burying his feelings by killing aliens

[spiral jewel]

He needs a therapist, not a M41 SSR or a MA5D

That man , 117, has so much traumatic experiences, a therapist would become a millionaire

[abstract wren]

In 5 maybe but in Infinite he does nothing

[last anchor]

I mean the ONI dude from 4 says it himself;
"Do you believe the Master Cheif succeded because he is, at his core, broken."

[abstract wren]

fact

[obtuse crow]

Nah.

Oni wouldn’t.

Let that happened.

[scarlet quiver]

I think that the dialog in Infinite could have been written differently.
How do i say this, remember in earlier games, the dialog was serious but funny? It was funny-and-serious-at-times space opera.
You would quote lines from the older games?
Now i feel like the mood of halo is serious and sad.
Dont get me wrong, A++ for effort and great game, but the direction, i feel could be lightened up, more comedic, and the dialog could include more memorable lines....

But ya raise the point, Chief has grown and been through traumatic events, hence, the Chief and the story is more stoic??

[verbal pollen]

Yeah
He had his share of trauma before CE, but he was almost detached from it. He was broken and stoic, but not solemn
Throughout the trilogy and even more so into 4, he starts to warm up. Y'know, in a Chief sorta way. He made a friend. Then he watched her die. Then she betrayed him. Now planets were destroyed, and this time it was his fault. In infinite he's completely stoic again, but now he's also solemn, quietly sad, cynical

But I definitely agree with you
Chiefs character is perfect for one liners XD

Cortona's too, the pair were a great comedy duo
Weapon needs to step up her game lol

[abstract wren]

nah, its the vision of 343 to be more realistic and dark. That's cool too. And Bungie's vision was just writting one liner all the time... it was the main goal. It worked.. but it didn't help the story and character at all

Infinite is definitly a mix (bad) of both vision

[abstract wren]

perfect for one liners because if you give him more lines, it would build a real character ! It's an empty shell in intent

[copper plover]

Why doesn’t mjolnir armor have glowy bits anymore

[unique rune]

wdym

[copper plover]

I just noticed this

[abstract wren]

gooey ?

[copper plover]

SMH

There

I hate autocorrect

Glowy*

Yknow the small blue lights

[unique rune]

oh the shield distributors

[copper plover]

maybe

[unique rune]

GEN2 still had them, I dunno why 343 seems to have dropped them for the new GEN3 armor designs

[copper plover]

I liked them, even the reach core doesn’t have it when it used to- well, it sorta does but they aren’t blue, they’re the color as the primary color of the armor

Strange, well that was my curiosity

Could you imagine if you could change their color?

[unique rune]

The Chief’s unique armor oddly didn’t have any in 4 or 5 either

[copper plover]

Ik!

It’s such a small detail but I immediately fixated on it

[unique rune]

The weirdest one to me is Halo 5’s Mark V Alpha armor

Because it has all of the original lights from the OG CE Mk.V model present, but for some bizarre reason they made up a bunch of completely new locations for the lights instead

[copper plover]

Lmfao how backwards

I like mkV in halo 5

I have the helmet but not the body, so I use the wrath body I think it’s called, Emile’s armor

[humble yacht]

depending on the coating, there are glowly bits on gen3

[copper plover]

I still think we should be allowed whatever color we want the classic way, the the paints should be things you can normally color in a Spartan

Like solid gold, or the clean metal finish and red and whatnot

Where as we’re still allowed the 2 or 3 color system

[low whale]

mm yeah I do miss that a lot

[pale zenith]

They do have some base paints free

Also free weekly coatings occasionally

Sometimes free stuff looks better than paid

[copper plover]

Don’t justify it, it’s dumb

[gusty star]

Oh yeahhh

This belongs in #lore-and-universe for sure

[crystal schooner]

It’s what Dr. Halsey would’ve wanted for her newest generation of ‘Spartans’

[copper plover]

Lmfao

My bad

[cobalt quiver]

If it cost $100 to make a Mark V armor, how much would an SPI be?

[copper plover]

4.99 plus applicable space tax

Mjolnir is supposedly really expensive, and spi being the cheaper version, I presume I’m not too far off

[tropic forge]

Unknown, but for Mark IV it'd be $0.1-$4.10 depending on how you interpret "dozens—or hundreds—of SPI could be produced for the cost of a single Mark IV suit."

[heady geyser]

Does it say in the books on how long mjolnir takes to make

[last anchor]

No but presumably months

[crystal schooner]

Mjolnir does require titanium, and some variants have incorporated Forerunner or Covenant technology, so it takes a couple of months to anywhere around years to build a MJOLNIR suit, depending on variant.

[mortal solar]

offensive Bias >>>>>

[pallid thicket]

I feel like “Echo-216” is a callback to Echo-419

6 is upside down 9

And 2 is an even number less than 4

[gusty star]

Uh

Yeah

It’s a pretty obvious callback

[obtuse crow]

That man is based.

Well.

That ai.

[copper plover]

He is truly based

[obtuse crow]

Yeah.

Mans took a 14,000 Vs almost 5,000,000.

And won.

[crystal schooner]

Based offensive chad

[crystal schooner]

Technically, he didn’t fight all the infected ships , right ?

[obtuse crow]

his objective was to hold until the halos firing.

[crystal schooner]

So, IsoDidact + Offensive Bias = Based

[obtuse crow]

Yes.

Pretty much how it went afterwards was well.

the halos fired.

Destroyed a major part of beta mendicant bias’s fleet.

which then.

Offensive not having to worry about his crews.. well he rammed.

Took ships back.

Etc.

[crystal schooner]

Yup. Battle of the Maginot sphere, if I’m not wrong.

[obtuse crow]

Mhm.

[ivory stump]

hello

[copper plover]

Hi