#lore-and-universe

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last anchor
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It existed before, like 7.62, and it just never got changed cause it worked

unique rune
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The fact that a .50 cal handgun is standard issue for the UNSC is arguably weirder than the Sidekick's existence

stable flower
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People think every human gun in Halo is supposed to look the same and have the same caliber.

flat kernel
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Well it’s not really .50 cal, is it? I would assume it’s like .50 cal ae.

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Because you need like a 30 inch barrel for a .50 cal bullet to actually gain any velocity, even with futuristic stuff.

unique rune
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I mean, yeah, if you want to split hairs about it. But functionally, it’s the equivalent of handing a Desert Eagle to every soldier which is like… not a thing.

arctic mural
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Are there any Spartans left on the ring besides master chief?

last anchor
zealous spade
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Don't know if you guys have heard but Greg Bear, the author of the Forerunner trilogy has tragically passed away earlier today. He was a fantastic writer and a funny guy. May he rest in peace. I am genuinley a but shaken by his death. Obviously I never knew him but during a very difficult time of my life I had his books to read and they were the only thing that gave me an escape from the hell that was around me at the time. I just wanted to post here to let those who didn't know know. I hope his family is OK and it is a shame to lose him. Rest in peace Reclaimer. You will be missed.

heady geyser
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Rewatching halo legends is nice

ornate bay
heady geyser
heady geyser
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Plus my favorite part is the duel and the introduction of daisy

proper spoke
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RIP Greg Bear salute

forest spear
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I hope they release spartan Jerome armour

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Or a halo wars themed small battle pass like thirty tiers like what they did with the winter update

grand river
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I've always thought that the Halo Wars armor was a little too basic

stable flower
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So do we know where Zeta Halo is?

last anchor
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No

pallid thicket
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Yep. Cortana pulled an Alderaan on Doisac

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The real question is: Guardians can destroy planets?

last anchor
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Normal Forerunner ships could. Miners did it all the time to stuff that had valuable minerals inside them

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Planet cracking on a scale not yet dreamed. Stars harnessed and mines

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The fact Guardians can kill a planet is honestly not even surprising

lone plover
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speaking of mining do halo faction do asteroid mining?

stable flower
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The same Guardians that were useless against the Flood?

last anchor
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The Forerunner-Flood war is a complicated thing involving sections of time and space humanity in Halo barely understands

heady geyser
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Is it me or three out of the four movies was good so halo legends, fall of reach and forward unto dawn

charred reef
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A bit late on this, but I always thought that Atriox was trying to take SoF for himself. The cutscene showed the banshees were targeting the cannons possibly to soften the ship enough to be boarded. We know the SoF has extensive, if outdated, fabrication capabilities due to it being an assault ship. Since the Ark is so far out from resupply the fabricators may have still been useful to Atriox, at least enough to make an attempt rather than destroy it outright. He could've done so easily with the Enduring Conviction at his beck and call so this is the only thing I can think of that makes sense to not hate how dumb it was to not fire a single plasma torpedo or energy projector.

It would be nice to have some kind of in universe explanation though, that and how the SoF even got there in the first place are never explained anywhere let alone in the game.

terse lava
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Always took it as he didn't see the ship as a real threat, with them pretty much using it as target practice. He was right too, the SOF posed utterly no threat to the carrier, it was the sentinels that did that

primal lichen
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What was the status of Earth right now in the lore? I means I know New Phoenix just got nuked all of citizens.

terse lava
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Likely still recovering from Created occuptation, Sydney, the capital of the UEG, is possibly gone as a damaged frigate was about to crash into it from the guardian EMP wave, last we saw

pallid thicket
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The Spirit of Fire is turning into the Millennium Falcon of the Halo universe with all this plot armor. Strange how I subconsciously predicted this when I played the first Halo Wars a lot back in the day

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Somehow Cutter and the Spirit of Fire outlived Keyes and the Pillar of Autumn

last anchor
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Phoenix's were built to be reliable and sturdy.

heady geyser
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So I was rewatching the fall of reach and notice that blue team was using halo 4 style of weapons when they were about to board the covenant ship

gusty star
stable swift
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Quick question, what if Humans never colonized Reach and Harvest?

gusty star
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That’s not really a quick question

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That’s has so many ramifications

steep ether
heady geyser
unique rune
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Sequence was probably using whatever reference material they had

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Canonically it’s supposed to be something about early experimental prototypes I think

last anchor
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Same reason why their armor all has distinct helmets despite the book mentioning their suits being identical

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And Fred and Linda making it inside the ship as well when in the book, only John, Sam, and Kelly made it

fair hazel
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No one talking about the new thingy about jun?

gilded mason
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Who cares about Jun?

fair hazel
last anchor
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Im still digesting it, I was at work

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The Fistful of Arrows callout is nice.

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Wonder who hes talking to. Cant be Musa. Musa would know this all already.
Its not Agryna.

pallid thicket
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You mean the same “fans” who might have nostalgic memories of playing the original Halo trilogy as kids but never cared for the extended lore?

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It’s no wonder they preferred Bungie

abstract wren
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Yes, that's what I'm saying

pallid thicket
abstract wren
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Yes, globally.

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We'll see what path 343 is gonna take now. Not very clear as of today but less transmedia is clearly seen.

obsidian thistle
abstract wren
grand sand
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Does anyone know why the brutes stopped using the spiker like in halo 3? The spike Grenade is still around but the banished have no signs of the spiker existing

scarlet hinge
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it not appearing in a game is just because of gameplay balancing

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in canon, they're using spikers on zeta halo

last anchor
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It has more blades on it

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Because sometimes, you need to be able to stab in all directions

obsidian thistle
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(Yea I legitimately have zero idea if thats canon fyi. It has zero fictional backing bar its Atriox inpired and came in a Banished box lol.)

gusty star
grand sand
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Infinite

last anchor
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Game balance and balance alone

primal lichen
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Read the comic and thought Gabriel Thorne should come back as a game character.

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I believed he was replaced by Buck in Fireteam Osiris right?

sharp silo
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Thorne is GRREAT

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Hold on, where is Buck if he´s not in Osiris?

scarlet hinge
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as it happened, Nathan Fillion just happened to have a gap in his schedule

scarlet hinge
sharp silo
scarlet hinge
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and the Halo Encyclopedia gave us artwork for all three plus Gretchen in GEN2

sharp silo
primal lichen
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343 should just do Halo ODST 2 or something involved ODST.

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Or Spartan-III

heady geyser
stable flower
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Hopefully when the UNSC gets back on track, they'll designate the new Forerunner weapons found on Zeta Halo

gleaming folio
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Hear me out, ODST 2 set on Zeta Halo during the six months before infinite, follows new character with the now-Spartan IV Alpha Nine as supporting characters. Explains where Lasky, Halsey, etc. were and could show a whole new side of the Halo rings

austere stone
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shadows of reach game pls

worn socket
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We need a new Noble 6 oriented game

last anchor
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6 hours of staring at an empty helmet on Reach's blasted surface. Nice.

golden pulsar
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Lol

stable flower
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I'd rather read a book about that

grand iris
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Would love to see a Headhunter game with the stealth gameplay of Splinter Cell and Metal Gear

primal lichen
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Spartan-3 centered games with SPI armor.

grand iris
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More SPI armour variants would be cool to see

drowsy mesa
pallid thicket
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“San Shyuum were considered to be beautiful and attractive by both Humans and Forerunners” Proshipper artists in the Halo fandom: creates AMVs with humans and San Shyuum in relationships with ET by Katy Perry playing in the background

gilded mason
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I've been seeing "pro(shipper)" and "anti(shipper)" a lot recently. What does that even mean? Like, Being for canonical romantic pairings and the opposite, or something?

pallid thicket
gilded mason
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Funnily, every time I saw people use that term, they were describing things in the vaguest possible terms and I had no idea which characters they were even talking about while everyone who responded to them did know...but also described everything extremely vaguely.

pale zenith
drowsy mesa
steel stone
heady geyser
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Why did Audrey lasky had a Corbulo Academy insignia on her uniform like was it an oversight or she have some affiliation with the school

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Because she was never present at the academy

last anchor
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I think she was higher up staff, or connected to them. Presumably considering its an OCS, shes the one who directs the new recruits where they need to go

heady geyser
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The reason why I asked is because the only time that we saw her was the message to Thomas saying that his brother die

heady geyser
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Plus why wasn’t Sullivan expelled from the school for hacking classified data

last anchor
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Because the school ceased to exist before anyone noticed and being one of three survivors of a class of several hundred usually tends to be a viable alabie.
Note where he ended up when we see him again.

heady geyser
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That what I find weird that a cadet can hack into ONI servers without them even noticing before the school ceased to exist

last anchor
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It helps if you're a candidate at an OCS with a talents for getting around stuff.
ONI probably hadnt locked it down fully anyway, that was live feed from Freds helmet.

Listen to Hunt the Truth. You'll see just how powerful the subnet can be

heady geyser
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Ok like I’m not complaining about forward unto dawn but some of the things in the show

last anchor
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If you think about them for long enough it makes sense

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Its not exactly subtle

heady geyser
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Yeah

unkempt crater
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According to one of the Halo wikis, people can just disappear during slipspace jumps. Where/what is the source for this?

tropic forge
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If it's cited you can just check the citation though if you want to be sure.

last anchor
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Its also mentioned in Contact Harvest

versed aurora
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Someone knows what says the forreruners words at the end of the terminals in halo ce? I'm sure that in the last terminal says: "didact" or "promethean" but I would still like to know what the others say

obsidian thistle
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Kinda want SPI not to have the issue Mark IV has lol

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(a lotta unnamed variants... just so many unnamed variants)

frosty whale
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I own the Forward Into Dawn movie on dvd

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It was alright in my eyes

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Worth watching anyway

native anvil
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I remember when they first released it as a bunch of mini episodes onto YouTube

last anchor
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I honestly doubt we'll see SPI "variants", if its a core like the rest. We'll have the same baseline variant with armor plates and knives and ammo strapped too it and modular helmets

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Some of which will probably be from other cores originally (like Locus being on Rakshasa for some reason)

obsidian thistle
last anchor
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Are the helmets locked to the armor system then?

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I mean in canon not via the cores

obsidian thistle
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Helmets in general aren't locked to an armor system

last anchor
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Didnt think so

frosty whale
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Can anyone explain to me the fracture stuff

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Like the yoroi armor and the Viking armor

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How that fits into canon

last anchor
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It doesnt.
Each Fracture is a "what if" sort of scenareo, another univeres's version of the Spartans and often times the UNSC.
Yoroi's is where Japanese samurai codes continued onwards into space it seems so the armor is samurai inspired.
The viking, Roman and knight stuff from MCC is the same (though its possible all three exist in the same universe)
Entrenched is a disel/steampunk aspect of it where the UNSC never left earth and the Covenant are mutants resulting from an endless grinding war.

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And now we have Gundam, Guyver and Power Rangers inspired armor for MCC

steel stone
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Holy crap that has to be the most bulky armor I had ever seen a Spartan wear though have you seen the shoulders and leg armor?

last anchor
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Yes

steel stone
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Thinking about it if they bring the Mantis back, you think they will make look like the cooler Halo legends prototype armor? would be horrible missed chance

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Would need to be obviously nerfed for gameplay but think in lore they could easily just make another one for us.

last anchor
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The Prototype lead to the Mantis

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As well as the Cyclops and the Colossus actually

steel stone
last anchor
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Yes

steel stone
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Does that Cyclops mech have any gun attachments, never seen any on it

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I thought it was a mech design to punch Elites faces into the ground

last anchor
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HW2s Isabel mod does

steel stone
last anchor
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It’s a modular frame same as basically everything else the UNSC builds

steel stone
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LSS?

last anchor
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Phone could you not please

steel stone
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Ill admit the Cyclops does look like a very agile moving mech

steel stone
last anchor
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Phones being dumb

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But yes the Cyclops is mobile

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Watch the I Know You trailer for Halo Wars 2

steel stone
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Was it the trailer with it being slow mo then everyone goes to war from each side?

last anchor
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Yes

steel stone
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I remember seeing it, I was really hyped even the gameplay was not my cup of tea

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Did you see the Spartan hijack the Banshee or about to punch that thing

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That actually got a laugh out of me

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I really wish Halo games brought the Halo wars stuff into actual games

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Thinking about it can a Spartan be strong enough to punch a Banshee to death?

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In flight like that?

last anchor
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They don’t need to be

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Force the cockpit open and rip the pilot out just like a hijack in game

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Banshee canopies aren’t rated for space usually, a Spartans strong enough to force it open

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Or kick the open mechanism, not sure where that is on most Banshees

steel stone
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Speaking of space what is the space Banshee like?

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I got a closer look at the model and its actually different from the other Banshees. I just thought it was a normal Banshee

last anchor
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It’s a specifically designed space frame

steel stone
last anchor
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Yes and maybe, not sure abo it the weapons

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They seem to handle like normal Banshees as far as I can tell

steel stone
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okie

heady geyser
steel stone
heady geyser
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Since the later games take place after the war

steel stone
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I dont think we got many space levels for them to fit I think

unique rune
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Pretty much.

That and the Banshee variations we see in 343 games are spaceworthy unlike the Bungie era titles where they mostly have completely unsealed cockpits.

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T27 XMFs still appear occasionally in external media like comics, but in general they're just not as necessary.

heady geyser
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I hope we see more of the Xalanyn species

steel stone
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I would bring them back just because they have a cool design and having a version thats built for space I think that earns it a place

steel stone
heady geyser
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The endless

last anchor
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The Skimmers from Infinite.
Also apparently the Endless though the direct correlation isnt quite clear yet

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Theres enough physical differences between the Harbinger and the Skimmers to neccecitate caution

unique rune
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Nah, Xalanyn are the Endless.
Skimmers are some other species called Gasgira.

last anchor
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Was gonna say the Skimmers seem kinda...semi-sentient?
More like monkies than a space faring species

unique rune
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Presumably there's some connection at least, judging by the similarities in armor configuration and overall physique.

last anchor
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A worker caste perhaps.

steel stone
last anchor
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Some form of engineered slaves similar to how the Forerunners created the Huragok

steel stone
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Something maybe to surpass the Legendary Sniper Jackal

steel stone
heady geyser
last anchor
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Meddlers perhaps?

steel stone
steel stone
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I thought originally the rings killed everyone.

heady geyser
steel stone
heady geyser
steel stone
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I like how the Halo Legends did the flood forerunner war

last anchor
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And also any large complicated Flood form

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Since those too have neural tissue in them (commandered but no less used)

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Anything bigger than a Combat Form dies to the Halo effect.

steel stone
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Im surprised nobody was talking about that insane scarab sized flood creature

last anchor
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What, the one from Halo Wars 2?

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They were.

steel stone
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keyminds are given the name to flood that command lower flood ranks and are smart right?

frosty whale
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Cant wait until the infinite dlcs

heady geyser
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The reason why the forerunners imprisoned them because the forerunners plan to pass the mantle to humanity was in danger and threatened and the Xalanyn was a threat to the rest of the galaxies species

frosty whale
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Or expansions

frosty whale
steel stone
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So the Xalany want the Mantle? or are they on that full I wanna kill everything in the galaxy?

steel stone
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And some varied landscapes, may add a desert or snowy one and maybe get to fight the flood I dunno, any idea is cool really

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Can I ask what were those flood forms we got to see in Halo Legends? that giant one looked like a legit moving proto gravemind

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Can they even move we never seen one do that in CE

heady geyser
steel stone
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Sounds weird I hope the endless have the cool unused Elite designs from Halo 1

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They had a very cool blueish alien look

stable flower
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I'm worried about how 343 is gonna handle the Endless

steel stone
heady geyser
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I didn’t know Palmer was an odst

visual orbit
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Most Spartan IV's were ODST's

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Not just alpha 9

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And buck

steel stone
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Not sure how to say it but Spartan 4s are more dumb as shown in Halo 4s Spartan ops. ODSTs, they acted far more professional

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They act less like ODSTs in my eyes well in Halo 4 anyway

verbal pollen
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Do we know what the endless are exactly?

primal lichen
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Some new alien things 343 invented to surpass the Flood?

stable flower
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All we know is that they're time-manipulating aliens immune to the Halo effect.

gilded mason
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I don't think they're confirmed to be time manipulating

flat kernel
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It’s implied they can in the legendary ending cutscene for halo infinite

gilded mason
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I think that line gets misinterpreted.

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Seems to me like they're saying that they don't want the Endless to control the "narrative" now that they'd be the sole advanced group in the galaxy.

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And so the Forerunners imprison them so that they can't, among other reasons

verbal pollen
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Interesting
Is the harbinger an endless?

gilded mason
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Yeah

stable flower
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The only one we've seen so far

last anchor
pallid thicket
unkempt rivet
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Question. This just struck into my head: In the beginning of halo infinite, chief was floating in space for a half year. A. Half. Year. In open space. with no chances that his suit was restocked on oxygen in the meantime. Meaning he was on a single oxygen tank so to say for a half year straight. How is it that it was enough for that whole half year to keep him alive!? I don't really see how there's enough space inside the suit that can sustain the oxygen required to keep him alive or am I getting dumb strucked here? I don't get it....

humble yacht
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combat forms can't be used if their nervous systems are fried

humble yacht
unkempt rivet
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Pretty sure one still need oxygen to stay alive in stasis? Or very little?

humble yacht
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true stasis lowers your cellular activity close to zero, so your cellular respiration rate would be reduced

unkempt rivet
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Interesting. Then it must be on the very lowest, considering it was a half year.

humble yacht
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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it's still fiction at the end of the day, it's not going to be that realistic

unkempt rivet
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True, I was hoping that there was some lore I missed out about it. that may explains it, but I see now that it wasn't 100% thought out all that well.

humble yacht
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wouldn't be the first time

unkempt rivet
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Nor the last

verbal pollen
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Maybe Spartan armor has a super compressed oxygen tank. That's why whenever a Spartan dies, they explode

humble yacht
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no

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spartans exploding on death is due to an failsafe trigger of the fusion reactor to blow up the suit so covenant can't study it

stable flower
verbal pollen
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||It was a joke lol, still think it's funny imagery||

stable flower
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Oh okay

pallid thicket
stable flower
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She should be lucky Enduring Conviction went easy on her.

pallid thicket
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Speaking of which

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Super carriers are as big as the entirety of NYC and it’s boroughs?

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And the Infinity is only less than half the size of Manhattan

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Hardly “the size of a city”

humble yacht
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cities vary in size

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NY is one of the biggest cities in the world

last anchor
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Six kilometers is easily small city sized.
Manhattans the only real city part of NYC anyway the rest is mixed land

stable flower
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Can super carriers can fit at least half-a-million passengers?

last anchor
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Easily, presumably.
Enduring Conviction isnt a supercarrier though, just an assault one

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Theres exactly one supercarrier we know of and that was Long Night of Solace

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If Im not mistaken Enduring Conviction and Shadow of Intent are the same class, right?

frosty whale
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Rip jorge

humble yacht
last anchor
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Blue Team blew that one up.

gusty star
last anchor
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Plus Convictions Banished overhaul

frosty whale
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The covenant ship on high power map is a super carrier right?

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Dont the infinite maps have lore connections

fair hazel
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CAS-class Assault carrier

fair hazel
frosty whale
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Ig if I think back to how big it was on reach compared to the one on the map it would make sense that it isn't a super carrier

fair hazel
humble yacht
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it is kinda ludicrous

last anchor
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Bungie really did say "make it big" and then they did.

stable flower
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I kinda wanna live on a supercarrier.

random lantern
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I like to imagine that the Gravemind infected Mercy’s corpse and merged him into a tentacle, fully conscious. Then several days later on the Ark he finally infected Truth’s corpse and did the exact same thing, finally completing his Prophet collection. And during the interval between Truth’s assimilation and the Gravemind being destroyed Regret and Mercy kept nagging Truth about how this was all his fault.

high fox
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They should have made that an Easter egg cutscene

stable flower
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Mercy would probably lay him out for leaving him to die

random lantern
stable flower
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He was easily the Count Dooku to Truth's grandpa Sheev and Regret's General Grievous.

random lantern
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I just think the idea of Gravemind "collecting" the Prophets to add to his tentacles is funny in a dark comedy kind of sense.

heady geyser
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I bet mercy was like you MF to truth lol

pallid thicket
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Lol

pallid thicket
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The Spirit of Fire is larger than the Pillar of Autumn?

fair hazel
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yes it's longer

pallid thicket
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Although I suppose the bigger surprise is that Marathon class cruisers are slightly bigger than the defunct Halcyon class

stable flower
pallid thicket
gusty star
dry pivot
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We’re precursors introduced by 343 or were they around during the bungie era?

gilded mason
random lantern
gilded mason
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Still there, though.

random lantern
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True

stable flower
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I always pictured them being associated with the color cyan for some reason

steel stone
empty mango
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Yooo

steel stone
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I think there was a picture of a Precursors face and had not seen it since maybe 2013, it may have been legit or fanmade. It might of been fanmade

empty mango
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Ay

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Who here is good at halo

last anchor
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How good

last anchor
steel stone
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I like how their head looks, they have alot of eyes

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I hate how the forerunners just killed the Precursors, are there really any normal ones left?

last anchor
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Precursors didnt...really have a set form is the thing

torpid belfry
steel stone
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I just remember that was a gravemind, I was a bit confused about that since it didnt look flood at all to me

worn socket
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Bring back flood!!

last anchor
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Not even close.
The Primordial is a form chosen by The Last Precursor to withstand the ages.

steel stone
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the last precursor? as in the last one?

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If so that rules them out appearing in the games which is sad

steel stone
last anchor
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They did show up in the games.
What do you think a Gravemind is?

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The Flood is the result of other Precursors attempting to survive the Long Ages between their fall and their return by converting themselves to basically inert dust

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But this dust twisted itself, became corrupted.

steel stone
last anchor
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Oh yeah thats never happening. Sorry

steel stone
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Yep 🙂

steel stone
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Speaking of the Gravemind why didnt we fight the venus fly trap boi in Halo 3? I was really looking forward to using the flamethrower on him

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I did find actual legit concept for this guy to be a boss or appear in Halo 3 but sadly we just didnt get to fight him

last anchor
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Cut content and the things the size of a city so

steel stone
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I think that could be true since you could only hear his voice

tawny fox
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You’d definitely need waay more than just a shotty or a flamethrower if you wanted to go toe to toe with that behemoth I would imagine

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Without blowing apart a halo installation of course cause that seems to be the only way we’ve stopped it in-game at least

stable flower
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Gravemind kinda got done dirty in Halo 3

last anchor
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Lot of things did

iron harbor
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Spartan laser would be most effective given the gun selection in halo 3

verbal pollen
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They could have made it a boss at the end of Cortona where you didn't have to kill him, just escape him
Use the flamethrower or some rockets to hurt him or destroy a tentacle or two

humble yacht
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bungie halos weren't exactly known for good boss fights

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but ultimately, stunning the Gravemind is exactly what they do to escape

verbal pollen
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I liked H2 bosses tbh, and guilty spark was decent
It also felt better to be able to personally take down the prophet or the monitor as opposed to having it done in a cutscene, even if the fight itself was subpar
And in the end, you do get to take down gravemind by activating the Halo, I just think a face to face struggle would've been icing on the cake

scarlet hinge
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the original plan was for something like that to happen

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but due to development troubles, it had to be cut

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in the original plan, Cortana was to take control of a Scarab and use it to fight the Gravemind - and you'd have to defend the Scarab from the Gravemind's tentacles and Flood forms trying to board it

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they had to pretty much scrap the entirety of the original highcharity level due to some mid-development shakeups, meaning the final level is mostly just discarded geo intended for Floodgate before they cut that level down - there's a full writeup about it here https://www.halopedia.org/Highcharity

random lantern
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Were the Sangheilis and San’Shyuum originally supposed to theoretically be "equal" with the Sangheilis gradually becoming "servants" in practice, or was the Covenant always intended to have San’Shyuum as the bosses and Sangheilis as the servants?

scarlet hinge
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it's a bit more of a complex answer than that - at the end of the day, the founding era of the Covenant had billions of Sangheili and only a few thousand San'Shyuum - so there was no way that the San'Shyuum could ever be in charge without the willing consent of the Sangheili

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really, it's hard to delineate a line in which the Covenant stops being the "Sangheili empire" - for most of its existence they were the primary military, political, economic and cultural caste

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while the San'Shyuum hierarchs did have a lot of power (particularly in the theocracy), their influence was counterbalanced by the High Council - which was itself comprised of high-level leadership from both species

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It would be hard for the Hierarchs to do anything without the support of the High Council, or the ministries, conclaves and assemblies below it

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personally, I'd argue against the notion that the Sangheili became servants per se, because they held extremely influential positions of power well into the end of the empire. The constant feuding between the San'Shyuum clergy and the Sangheili aristocracy could be compared to much of the jostling between the nobility and church in Medieval Europe

craggy sierra
scarlet hinge
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there were plenty of space battles

craggy sierra
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I guess that's detailed in Broken Circle or something. Sure doesn't seem that way in the H2A terminals.

scarlet hinge
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Broken Circle, Mythos, and the 2022 Encyclopedia cover it in some depth

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we actually have a pretty decent timeline of events for the war

gilded mason
craggy sierra
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wack

last anchor
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"Hippity hoppity, this Dreadnought is now OUR property"

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But yeah, them getting anchored down actually lead to a minor schism among the San'Shyuum aboard, and the existing leader of them got axed by someone under him, who then saw about making peace with the Sangheili

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Probably one of the best parts of the Encyclopedia was them fleshing that out

rancid cloud
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hello sorry if this is an easy question to answer. i’m currently playing halo 2 anniversary, and was wondering why the heretics have much different armor compared to most of the covenant. are they miners or some other sect of military? thank you i’ve been wondering this for years

spare narwhal
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How good are the halo wars games campaigns? Are they important in terms of the lore? Do people still play them

high fox
rancid cloud
ocean ruin
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The current main Sparttan IV armor in infinite is the Mark 7 right?

rancid cloud
#

they had very different gear

ocean ruin
steel stone
#

Cortana controlled a Scarab??? can she really do that in lore?

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I think rejectedshotgun talked about this in his streams once but didnt think it went this deep

scarlet hinge
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it's a real shame that they ended up having to gut the mission

steel stone
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And maybe forerunner city and guardian forest

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I just thought of something they had to removed a mission on Reach where you drove a Scarab through a ruined city

rotund ruin
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Does anyone have the Halo Encyclopedia? Is it worth the buy?

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mostly for lore reasons and stuff hence why i put it in this channel.

scarlet hinge
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if you're even remotely interested in the fiction of the setting, it's pretty much required reading

rotund ruin
stable flower
#

I wonder if Jega will appear again

high fox
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Probably

unique rune
somber cobalt
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If i want to just spend a 9 hour workday listening to Halo lore....what Youtube/podcast would be best to listen to? I got recommended a 30 minute video explaining what i didnt understand about mendicant and offensive in the infinite ending and now i feel like i need to just binge lore before Halo: the Endless

rotund ruin
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Awesome

somber cobalt
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i dont have the time to sit and soak in all the Halo paperbacks so i need a medium that will help me understand the history from the flood wars against the forerunners and the creation of offensive bias, to the Banished occupation of Zeta and Despondant Pyre's plight/

tawny fox
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Also they were on the gas giant Threshold which is also probably why they had slightly different gear to suit them for the environment

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Arbiter and the crew also appeared to be wearing some type of mask if you look closely in one of the cutscenes

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Or at least Rtas Vadum was

gilded mason
#

I don't think any of the non-heretic elites were wearing full masks in Halo 2. Barring the rangers seen on other levels.

cobalt quiver
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Is there a practical reason for Spartans to use the Mark IV, VB, or VI armor in Gen III instead of Mark VII?

gilded mason
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Nope

tawny fox
#

But other than this the main reason why the heretics look different from the rest of the covies is simply because they’ve defected.

little heron
#

I hope you all had a good Thanksgiving

stable flower
#

I believe the heretics had members on Basis, as said in Burial Mounds' description.

terse lava
#

Does make me wonder what became of that base, seeing as the Covenant left shortly after Sesa was killed

verbal pollen
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Did the heretics die out after the arbiter takes the gas mine? I mean, I guess all the rebels in the schism were kinda just militarized heretics
But did any of the original heretics survive? If so did they keep their own structure, or did they just join the sangheili?

terse lava
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@verbal pollen Sesa'Refumee's faction was likely wiped out completely when the gas mine fell, unless any were so present on the nearby moon Basis. We do know however that post-war, the Arbiter gave the 'Refum family special treatment as part of the Swords of Sangheilos.

tame arch
#

So glad I got to read 5 books in the universe this summer.

pallid thicket
pale zenith
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Lore wise, how many ships were with infinity?

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Anyone know

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Ik concept art had some phoenix class ships

scarlet hinge
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six Mulsanne-class frigates

unique rune
#

Hm. Mulsannes are wider and taller than Stridents but not as long. I wonder if they can still fit in the Infinity’s sub-vessel bays.

scarlet hinge
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the Mulsannes were a reconnaissance force - they weren't contained inside Infinity

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they jumped ahead of it

heady geyser
#

Does the games or books cover what happened to the odst drop pods after it landed like does it just stay on the battlefield or after a while it self destructs

last anchor
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Its left behind as an expendable asset

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Presumably they recover them whenever possible. But once it lands thats it its done its job

heady geyser
#

Thanks that I was always Curiosity about what happened to them after they’ve done it job

scarlet hinge
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nothing is done with them after they've landed

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you could reasonably assume that in the years after the landing, they might be stripped out by the locals for useful materials and then pretty much just left to rot

last anchor
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My guess is if they land on land the UNSC eventually controls, they're gathered up and stripped and the reusuable parts sent back to Misriah.

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Waste not want not after all. Lot of still useful electronics on those things

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Copper wire, circuits, stuff like that

heady geyser
#

That was I thinking that the unsc scrap them for parts

pallid thicket
forest prism
#

I get that it was for gameplay reasons. Buy why can't you hover in infinite like you could in halo 5?

heady geyser
forest prism
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But lore wise

humble yacht
#

there isn't necessarily a lore reason behind every gameplay change

verbal pollen
#

Different suit I assume
If the booster pack is an equipable item, it implies it can be taken off

last anchor
#

Grappleshot was probably deemed more efficient

heady geyser
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What you mean

last anchor
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Both are mobility enhancers, but the Grappleshot can do far more than tbe thrusters (like grab barrels and people)

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That’s my logic for it anyway

heady geyser
#

I mean the grappleshot is more useful in my opinion the thrusters only useful if you you’re trying to get to cover or confuse your enemy

stable flower
#

Are Cobras still in service?

unique rune
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Nothing's said they've been retired, so... probably.

tawny fox
terse lava
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@tawny fox likely

heady geyser
#

Was the infinity actually destroyed or 343 left that open

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Me I think the infinity isn’t destroyed but extremely crippled

stable flower
#

I think the same about the Created

heady geyser
#

Think about it why would 343 kill the infinity the flag ship of the unsc

stable flower
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Two words

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Fan

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Backlash

last anchor
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Simply put we don’t know

visual orbit
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Opens up a chance for its sister ship to come into the spotlight

stable flower
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Judging by the UNSC's current status, that's gonna take some time.

harsh stone
#

I think the infinity is floating somewhere , pretty crippled but fixable

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I’d love to use it as a hub next game and fix it up slowly

obsidian thistle
#

Its weaponry lives on in Halo Wars 2!

obsidian thistle
#

Kinda fitting for the Spirit in Halo Wars 2 to be using what they have to makeshift stuff like the Banished.

scarlet hinge
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dab said i was dumb for pointing out that they clearly reused the M66 railguns for the base turrets in HW2

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the comparison with the HW2 turret though, is a bit more obvious if you look at the Cobra in its deployed form

obsidian thistle
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Heh that is even more obvious

versed helm
obsidian thistle
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You cant see a beaten down ship on Zeta Halo. You can see the walls of Zeta Halo and some Guardians however.

sullen ridge
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think it's like 1 or 2 mulsanne class ships that you see crashed on the ring

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mortal reverie in outpost tremonious

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and another unnamed one in the area with the 3 AA guns

obsidian thistle
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Oh ye those. I was talking about out of bounds stuff

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XD

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I went derpy aha

sullen ridge
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but yeah afaik you can't see the infinity

heady geyser
sullen ridge
#

yes

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those are indeed not the infinity

sullen ridge
heady geyser
#

Best bet those down ships were part of her escort group

sullen ridge
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they were

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at least 6 Mulsanne class ships

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the infinity might not even be present in the current location the ring is in

heady geyser
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Idk why Spartan Kyle think that the infinity is the broken down ship

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I understand Kyle might mistake those ships for the infinity but those aren’t her

stable flower
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Infinity would've covered a bigger land mass considering how big it is

obsidian thistle
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Yea the Infinity isnt in the campaign overworld. I do need to check some weird spots in the campaign later but if its there I believe no ones spotted it yet.

heady geyser
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CIA best bet the infinity is on the ring but at a different location

abstract wren
#

Best bet Infinity is destroyed... And all character from 343 before 2015 in it killed...

stable flower
#

^

compact hinge
#

is it mentioned anywhere how long the lifecycle of a Elite takes?

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or how large the elite population is

sick linden
#

To save anyone checking the gameworld for Infinity keep in mind there is a detail that released with “Rubicon Protocol” and i believe explains why we don’t see it or its wreckage anywhere, Spoiler for Rubicon Protocol ahead
|| When the ring collapsed from the intervention of Cortana the ring was slip-spaced to a secondary location as an automatic safety precaution setup millennia ago by the forerunners, so the events of about 80% of Rubicon Protocol and all of Infinite plus the entire 6 month gap took place in a completely section of the galaxy i believe it was the Ephsu system ||

gilded mason
stable flower
#

I read that Elites don't get to know their fathers.

unique rune
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It varies from clan to clan based on their circumstances. Some do, some don’t.

But as far as we know, the general trend is that Sangheili are not told who their fathers are to encourage advancement based on individual merit and minimize nepotism.

flat kernel
#

Sangheili society is pretty cool, how they’ve advanced and have their own traditions and such.

stable flower
#

Their way of life sucks currently. War with the Brutes, civil war, AND the Created uprising (all at the same time).

obsidian thistle
#

One could say the Brutes are losing and are on their last legs.

#

They have colonies however which would be interesting to learn about.
Pre and post Doisackening

heady geyser
#

I mean the brutes did nuked themselves back to the stone age lol

compact hinge
#

sometimes even playing uncle apparently

compact hinge
#

Halo would be such a cool universe to live in , but on the other hand it's so screwed and doomed

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i wonder what the culture is like after all the stuff that went down from the existential war with the elites to the created , did they fall into pessismism , is the average human optimist? what do they even believe anymore?

#

world war II had a pretty big cultural impact and that was entirely on one continent compared to the covenant

last anchor
heady geyser
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You ever think that the infinity sister ship the UNSC Eternity will ever be finish since she’s still incomplete

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Or she’ll remain incomplete

stable flower
#

Most likely B

heady geyser
#

I guess the Eternity will be parts for the infinity

pale zenith
pale zenith
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Locke idk, we did see his armor on hyperius

terse lava
#

@heady geyser It already had parts taken from its own construction to repair the Infinity before the events of Infinite

heady geyser
stable flower
#

The UNSC is real scattered right now so she'll remain incomplete for a while.

terse lava
#

Yeah

heady geyser
#

How powerful would the unsc navy be with the infinity and Eternity

distant socket
#

did the UNSC and covenant scattered in the flood base in halo ce fight together? after the flood escaped

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theres this debris where a jackal and human soldier lay dead

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like so close to each other

gilded mason
stable flower
#

Just hope someone doesn't crash three dreadnoughts into one of them (or both)

tiny oracle
#

2 gorillas vs 1 halo 2 brute that’s cranky

obtuse crow
last anchor
scarlet hinge
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in the first voyage the ship went on, the RN dispatched an aircraft carrier and a few smaller ships to take it out

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and it was sunk, thus ending any real attempt by the German navy to do anything on the sea again

#

big ships are much easier to destroy than they are to build

compact hinge
verbal pollen
#

Um, how about no

sullen ridge
verbal pollen
#

@boreal bane

sullen ridge
#

someone failed at their account security

verbal pollen
#

Thanks

boreal bane
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Thanks, bot caught most of them but I think it got spammed that quickly one slipped past

verbal pollen
#

Ah

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Who am I supposed to ping in that situation? I figured just any active mod

boreal bane
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Yep, that's fine

verbal pollen
#

Cool, thanks

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Also, should we alert discord? It looked like they were advertising ||child porn||
I didn't exactly investigate though

golden pulsar
#

Rugged can u message me ur pfp please, it's really cool

random lantern
#

If the NOVA Bombs had been online and in orbit by the time of the Battle of Reach could the UNSC have won (or at least, not lose so badly)?

gilded mason
#

Reach would have been destroyed completely instead of partially, so probably not.

random lantern
gilded mason
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NOVAs are too stupidly strong for it.

distant socket
#

guys, if the covenant sent a strike team to repair the truth and reconciliation cruiser in halo ce, but the flood is spreading to nearly everywhere in a ring, with entire garrisons of infected,infection forms coming in waves every few minutes, how would they fend off and repair the ship?

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The covenant already got any remaining and lucky ship to leave

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so the strike team and remaining crew sent to repair would be overwhelmed by what would be infinite waves of flood, this is including the strike team themself who can get overwhelmed

fair hazel
#

The ship was taking off already

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But it was thankfully destroyed

distant socket
#

where you have to go a flood infested one

fair hazel
#

Yes. They did repair the ship after John left

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But McKay took down the ship in sabotage as to save earth from the flood.

distant socket
#

also would the pillar of autumn be capable of flight if the flood had time to repair it

fair hazel
#

No

distant socket
#

oh

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also how would the flood repair a ship?

#

it knows what material would be needed for repair cause it learns its user's mind, but does it just use organic flesh or something like that?

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because where else would they find repair materials

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if they couldnt find it

fair hazel
#

Salvage. Around. Canibalize

distant socket
#

oh

distant socket
#

Is guilty spark rlly the bad guy? I mean he doesnt rlly have malicious intent when killing somebody, he is just trying to do his job

scarlet hinge
#

he's an antagonist

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but as you note, he's not evil

scarlet hinge
distant socket
#

its partially infested because literally every tiny corner and shaft and everywhere in the ship is filled with flood forms

scarlet hinge
#

yes

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that's how the flood co-opt technology to their own ends

scarlet hinge
#

there was very little centralised or planned coordination going on

distant socket
#

oh

scarlet hinge
#

ultimately, 'Vadamee had already issued a fleetwide order to fire upon any infected vessel without hesitation - so there's a good chance that even if the cruiser had made it off the ground, it would have been shot down anyway

distant socket
#

Yeah

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also the coolant leakage is severe

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why hasnt the reactor gone critical

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it has been damaged possibly by crashing down into the terrain, and most of its coolant is probably flowing down to out of the ship

#

than to the reactor

scarlet hinge
distant socket
scarlet hinge
#

there's a difference between "this thing is barely operational enough to lift off into orbit" and "this thing is running at optimal conditions"

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all the Covenant engineers need to do is get it operational enough to lift into orbit, at which point they can conduct the rest of the repairs in space

distant socket
#

its not about the ship lifting

scarlet hinge
#

there's also three reactors on the ship - and most of that power is used for weapons systems

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so there's likely plenty of tricks they can do to get it operational enough

distant socket
#

oh

scarlet hinge
#

the engines have their own Pinch Fusion Reactor independent of the ones in the centre or head of the ship - the latter two are used to power weapons, energy projectors and other ship systems

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here's a cross-section

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Warfleet mentions that a very significant portion of the power generation systems are those used to power energy shields and light the plasma torpedoes

distant socket
#

this cruiser is too perfect

scarlet hinge
#

so diverting power away from those systems and running the reactors at a reduced rate with most power going to engines feels like a fairly sensible option

distant socket
#

oh

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yeah that sounds reasonable

#

also, its said that the covenant were still repairing the ship before the first and 2nd raid?

scarlet hinge
#

it was one of the ships hit by Pillar of Autumn in the opening space battle

distant socket
#

its disabled

scarlet hinge
#

that's why it got put down on the ring in the first place

#

yeah

#

they put it down on the ring for repairs, and after that it became the HQ for ring operations (and later, the Prophet of Stewardship)

distant socket
scarlet hinge
#

flood have dropships

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one of the big things that occurs elsewhere in the battle is that the Flood begin stowing infection forms inside storage crates

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as a result, Covenant inspection teams at the Pillar of Autumn crash site have to start inspecting every crate individually

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the issue of course, being that the work crews assigned to it were often simply just lazy

distant socket
#

but if the covenant had a big combat force inside the hangar

scarlet hinge
#

that's what happens in the Infinite Succor comic

distant socket
#

they would have likely stopped an infection

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The infinite succor got infected by a troop carrier that crashed inside

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and because its the "first time" the covenant on that vessel see the flood, obviously they get infected

scarlet hinge
#

you're not taking into account things like fear, panic, confusion and so forth

#

no one is a perfectly rational actor 100% of the time

distant socket
#

that is part of the encounter

#

but man, the flood would be happy to infect more elites than anything else

#

the elites are just pure madness compared to human hosts, like the elites are just more painful to kill

terse lava
#

Think to the flood, the type of host doesn't matter, so long as they can be mutated into a combat form. Even during the events of Halo Wars(and cut from Halo Wars 2) they utilized Unggoy and Kig-Yar as combat forms

visual orbit
#

Those combat forms are larger and occasionally will have shields

last anchor
pallid thicket
#

Which reminds me

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How did the Flood infection start on Trove?

unique rune
#

At some point it was attacked by the Flood during the Forerunner-Flood War and the outer surface just remained infested that way the entire time.

obsidian thistle
#

The interesting thing is that the Covenant would of needed to go out there way for the Flood infection to grow and actually spread again.

Would be fun if a member of the Governors of Contrition actually caused that.

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Otherwise the Flood would of just sat there

stable flower
#

Speaking of Regret on Trove, the line about being left defenseless started a bunch of fan theories about the Banished being active in 2531.

obsidian thistle
#

That would be impossible

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Seeing as the Banished was born circa late 2540s

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IE circa 2549

#

There is other threats the Covenant had though. Some species legit fought and won against them closer to home.

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@stable flower 🙂

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Sure that happened in 851 BCE. But thats still a loss to the Covenant

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Why have a massive Fleet if there is nothing to defend against.

stable flower
#

I ask the same about the UNSC in general during pre-Insurrection era, but anyways, Regret and Ripa were talking about being defenseless against the Flood, so IDK where people got the idea of the Banished. Just another weird theory by fans.

obsidian thistle
#

Actually nothing says it was the Flood

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Ripa was talking about using what the Covenant had, and turning it against humanity. Which would of left them open to attack from forces that werent humanity.

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Which could be anything

urban ridge
#

Is there a Canon reason for why the Assault Rifle wasn't in halo 2 but it came back in halo 3?

hazy shadow
#

Nope!

gusty star
urban ridge
stable flower
#

Certain weapons being absent from a game are just gameplay reasons. Some only appear in cutscenes, like the Battle Rifle in ODST and the Carbine in Halo Infinite

heady geyser
#

I love how chief shrug his shoulders when Hasley ask if he could do anything in halo legends lol

tawny fox
obsidian thistle
#

Well its just gameplay.

Fictionally John comes across Marines during the level Metropolis holding them as depicted in the Evolutions story "Palace Hotel".

distant socket
#

what happened to the command crew of the pillar of autumn?

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i dont see them in the escape pods

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or anywhere else

#

the last time i saw them was before i escaped the autumn through a escape pod

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aka the white uniformed crew, were they killed by covenant/flood, or never survived the autumn crash landing on the desert

obsidian thistle
#

I recommend reading Halo: The Flood! Its a novelisation of CE! 🙂

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That will answer "most" of your question surrounding CE!

urban ridge
compact hinge
#

was checking my halo wars timeline and i just now noticed that capitain cutter supposedly did not sleep for about 2 weeks , i think 2 weeks is the entirety of the halo wars campaign (yep it is)

void valley
#

Kinda funny to think Linda is just floating in space for all of CE

compact hinge
pallid thicket
tawny fox
#

Maybe there was a shortage?

last anchor
#

They were there. Just because they dont show up in the game doesnt mean they weren't there in canon.
For example, Rubicon Protocol indicates the Infinity had MA5K Carbines in her racks, a weapon we havent seen mentioned since Ghosts of Onyx

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And have never seen in any video game ever

compact hinge
#

Spartans are spec ops troops in essence , they can do any type of mission set , some spartans however have strong notions of altruism and empathy and feel like it is their duty to protect others and often will sacrifice themselves to save other lives

scarlet hinge
#

Spartans are just special forces - they were originally created to do assassinations and kidnap jobs on Insurrectionist leadership elements

#

they were intended, originally, to perform the same sorts of missions you might find the SAS or Navy SEALs doing

#

they're not really supposed to fight in pitched battles as much, as they lose much of their edge in such circumstances

compact hinge
#

yeah Jorge is a good case of this , he constrasts with the rest of Noble due to being a spartan II , he has the S-II mindset till the end

compact hinge
#

ussually when you see those you are either dead or soon to be dead , they are visible for gameplay purposes

compact hinge
#

yes that yellow flash when shields break is for gameplay purposes , it is beyond usefull in multiplayer to tell when you broke someone's shields tbh

urban ridge
#

In terms of Emile his colors sort of make sense.

#

He's the CQC

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Dark hallways with red emergency lights.

high fox
#

How large can spartan fireteams be can they be as many Spartans as required or is there a limit

last anchor
#

Between four and six, usually

unique rune
#

he has the S-II mindset till the end
lol wat

dull tiger
unique rune
#

I mean
That's not something unique to the Spartan-IIs

#

Especially in the case of the Spartan-IIIs

#

It's not even about protecting humanity necessarily, more just the interests of the UEG/UNSC

dull tiger
#

I always felt like the III's just wanted revenge on the covenant for their families.

unique rune
#

That was part of how it was billed, sure, but loyalty to the UNSC was something drilled into their heads just as it was the Spartan-IIs

stable flower
#

Spartan-IIs were designed to fight insurrectionists, IIIs were designed to fight Covenant but many went on suicide missions

obtuse crow
distant socket
#

KIA

high fox
#

I have a question about spartan-Is why were there only 5 survivors of them and why did they never get spartan armor

obtuse crow
#

But uh the main reason why they don’t have spartan armor is that it didn’t exist back then.

worn socket
#

imo there should be more games sorrounding squads like noble team, it seems more intresting and 343 can do so much with each character

stable flower
#

They tried that with 5 but it went downhill

obtuse crow
#

it went downhill cause they did it badly imo.

unique rune
#

I mean the problem is that it's hard to fit anything meaningful when you make the core cast into 5-6 of generally pretty similar characters

#

Noble Team is written very blandly without much of substance
Blue and Osiris have moments in 5 but the problem is that it's spread across 8 primary cast members

unique rune
#

And it's not that there were only 5, there just isn't enough fiction to say for certain what happened to any of the others.

last anchor
#

Orion was overall considered a success but nowhere near cost effective. Halsey took what was learned from Orion for Spartan-II (which retroactively named Orion as "Spartan-1" as a result)

golden pulsar
#

@obtuse crow

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Can u send me ur pfp

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To me plz

#

It looks so cool

obtuse crow
obtuse crow
heady geyser
#

Just wondering what if a flash clone survived

gilded mason
#

They'd be experiencing a very low quality of life

clear vortex
#

They are engineered to die

#

That is their sold purpose

gilded mason
#

Not really engineered to die. More that they're not able to live long.

#

It's a defect, not the desired outcome

heady geyser
#

Ik that their purpose was not live long but it got me wondering what would happen if one was managed to survive by some reason

gilded mason
#

Yeah, refer to my post just above.

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Their body would be breaking down and keeping them alive after everything would just make them suffer

clear vortex
#

That’s it

#

Their quality of life would suck

heady geyser
#

Ok thanks

clear vortex
#

Is there a lore reason behind the absence of things like the railgun and SAW in infinite

verbal pollen
#

I'm pretty sure that when a weapon doesn't appear in a game, it's strictly for gameplay reasons

heavy sparrow
#

After the ai rebellion and banished attack of the infinity, weapon stock shortages, lack of weapon production etc

#

Thats my take at least

heady geyser
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Mostly that’s true or 343 didn’t want the railgun and saw in the game for balancing purposes

heady geyser
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Is it me or the babysitter from halo legends was a good visual representation of the Spartan II and odst rivalry

fair hazel
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there were even energy bayonets and other things

heavy sparrow
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Yea was just an idea i had

void valley
heady geyser
fair hazel
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Puts the baby in babysitter

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Would be funny if he was a spartan later on

heady geyser
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Yeah lol

fair hazel
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you know who else i wish could survive and become a spartan?

stable flower
#

Forge?

dull tiger
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Were the Elites, the Sangheli, a space fairing species by the time the Prophets, the San'shyuum, showed up?

humble yacht
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pretty sure they were at least able to travel to Suban, their moon

dull tiger
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Okay, I was thinking about that short about the first Arbitor from Halo Legends, and wondered who found who.

humble yacht
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the prophets found Sanghelios

dull tiger
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Okay, thank you.

gilded mason
dull tiger
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Oh.

gilded mason
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And had already made plasma, slipspace, gravity tech.

dull tiger
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Reverse engineering the Forerunner tech, I would assume.

gilded mason
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Actually, nope! That was all by themselves, canonically.

dull tiger
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Nice. To go on slaughter billions of humans.

verbal pollen
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What else would you do with that kind of technology? Fry a donut?

unique rune
#

yes

random lantern
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How do infections by Flood spores work? In the games the infection form lodged in the chests of the combat forms acts as a sort of "pilot" and the combat form goes inert if you shoot out the infection form. What would "pilot" a combat form created from inhaling flood spores?

Unless… maybe the spores, when they reach critical mass, transform various organs (likely the brain or lungs) into an infection form. Isn’t that a horrifying image?

smoky tartan
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Do flood spores make combat forms or just biomass

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Genuinely unsure on that

unique rune
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Flood spores could convert an organism into a combat form if given enough time

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Really just depends on the needs of the Flood at the time

stable flower
smoky tartan
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Flood isn't relevant to the series anymore, though, since we'll never see them again for the sake of T ratings 🙃

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No flood in a mainline Halo title in 15 years what a world

gilded mason
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Flood isn't relevant to the series anymore
Good. 😌

smoky tartan
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If you'd told 16 year old me the next FIVE Halo games would have not so much as an infection form I'd have laughed in your face

smoky tartan
unique rune
smoky tartan
gilded mason
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I agree with ya.

unique rune
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The thing is, Halo is so much more than just the Flood nowadays.

smoky tartan
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Also, the best fights in the series are when there's 3+ factions going at it all at once

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And the Flood was almost always part of that

gilded mason
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I just don't think the latest games should involve themselves with the Flood. Since if they get introduced, that will become the main focus, thanks to how dangerous they are.

random lantern
tawny fox
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They definitely were a game changer. They forced us to rethink our tactics and think twice before charging into battle

smoky tartan
gilded mason
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Oh I agree with you on that as well. The latter part, I mean.

unique rune
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The Flood weren’t particularly fun either if you ask me. Super tedious in 2 and 3. Eugh.

gilded mason
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I'd just rather things focus on things not the Flood or Forerunner stuff

smoky tartan
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UGH this chat filter is hard for me

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"Ah yes, these are the warrior AI things from the forerunners who's technology is so absurdly over the top as to be beyond comprehension and who break the laws of physics with a thought. Also if you shoot it with a standard issue pistol in the right spot it explodes."

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Absolutely hated Halo 4 for that

unique rune
smoky tartan
smoky tartan
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But the Flood showing up now and then and taking the focus until the outbreak is contained should happen sometimes

unique rune
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I’m pretty most Flood missions outside of CE are pure Flood missions though
There’s very rarely any overlap even in the missions where Covenant and Flood enemies are both involved
And they’re all so tediously awful

smoky tartan
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And we should never, ever have fought forerunner anything. Not unless we needed to be delivered a crushing defeat in some way and then immediately change scenes

tawny fox
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Seeing them duke it out with the covies was always fun. I remember on the level “keyes” once I literally hid in that gap in the floor in the room with the proto-gravemind keyes and they straight up mauled the entire covenant platoon that charges into the room

smoky tartan
#

I think Gravemind is no flood actually, they only show up on High Charity in the level High Charity, right at the start of it

gilded mason
#

The Arbiter and Gravemind had no Flood

smoky tartan
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Right The Arbiter is no flood too

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Ok so only four levels out of 13 have Flood in Halo 2 and only two are pure flood

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Lemme pull up Halo 3

tawny fox
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Don’t forget The Oracle. That one has 3 way fighting with the heretics and flood

gilded mason
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He said that one

tawny fox
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Oh

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Carry on then

smoky tartan
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No flood: Sierra 117, Crows Nest, Tsavo Highway, The Storm, The Ark

Only flood: Floodgate, Cortana, Halo

Combined: The Covenant

unique rune
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Floodgate - all Flood
The Covenant - part Covenant, part Flood, switches between allied or not
Cortana - all Flood
Halo - all Flood except Sentinels at the end

smoky tartan
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Halo 2 I think has a better balance than 3 does

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Though Halo 2 is (and 16 year old me would punch me for this but it's true) just a flat better game

gilded mason
#

It is, yes

unique rune
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I like it better than 3 as a whole but the gameplay and sandbox balancing is jankier

Also very obscenely linear

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too many gondolas and elevators good lord

smoky tartan
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There's... almost no sentinels in Halo 3 now that I think about it

gilded mason
smoky tartan
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Weird

smoky tartan
tawny fox
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The sentinel enforcers should have been used more. They were so cool

smoky tartan
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Yup

unique rune
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The Arbiter’s half is some of the strongest writing in any Halo game to date but I don’t like that it’s saddled with the Chief’s… very dull and generally pretty uninteresting half

gilded mason
#

H2 John made me really miss CE John

smoky tartan
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I didn't mind the Chief's half of the story. It's not as good as the Arbiter's, sure, but none of the Chief's stories ever are

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Man I can't believe Bungie got such a backlash back then for the Arbiter's story and him being a main character

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It was such a great move in retrospect

tawny fox
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I thought that was the coolest thing they have done back then. Getting to see Arby’s side of things and putting us the shoes of who’s normally our enemies. Really mixed up the gameplay

smoky tartan
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Yeah but people were upset

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Welp, I guess I'm not gonna find anyone to play firefight or campaign with tonight so I'm gonna peace out. Thanks for the chat!

stable flower
#

They brought the gold Aggressors back in Infinite but not the Enforcers. I hate when things appear in one form of media and are never used again.

tawny fox
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I know..they were fun to fight and presented a good challenge. like seriously these suckers were almost the size of a phantom and could pick up a tank and crush it like a soda can. They were so underutilized it’s not even funny

unique rune
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I mean. Kinda have to keep in mind what can be realistically implemented into a game. Gold Aggressors are just tweaked from an existing enemy.

Adding Enforcers would just be a whole entire other task.

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It’s kinda weird that they haven’t made any major appearances outside of Halo 2 but I can’t really think of any instances where it’d be notable to mention them to begin with.

tawny fox
#

I was always fascinated by their shard cannons and how similar they are to a needler’s projectiles. I wondered if it’s a similar crystal or something?

unique rune
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Interestingly it seems the Controller Sentinel in HW2 Op Spearbreaker was originally concepted as the Enforcer but was gradually reworked into something new.

unique rune
tawny fox
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I need to get one too. I’m always looking up the science behind the covie and forerunner guns

#

The spartan laser always got me wondering why the UNSC could never master directed energy weapons as standard issue in their forces

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Imagine how differently the war would have been

unique rune
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Power supply and cost were still major issues, plus retraining all their forces on DEWs in the middle of a war would not have been very practical

tawny fox
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True

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You see how effective it is when you give your marines covenant weapons though. At least in gameplay

unique rune
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Realistically, sure, they would’ve been more effective if properly trained on DEWs. In the grand scheme of things I don’t think it would’ve made a significant impact though.

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The Covenant always had more bodies and matériel to throw at the UNSC. And what happened on the ground usually didn’t mean much due to the Covenant’s general naval superiority.

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The UNSC could only ever really hope to delay things long enough to run away in most circumstances.

fair hazel
# stable flower Forge?

The one military police who asked John about being a spartan on reach before the Armour testing

smoky tartan
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Because I can't sleep and it's in my head

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Is there a single fight in the covenant that pits you vs both flood and covenant at once?

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Because if not that means there's literally not a single 3 way fight in the whole game except you/flood/sentinels at the very end which is tragic and I never noticed it

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And I don't think there is

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Because you only fight the flood at tower 3 after killing the covenant there, then you only fight covenant again until you ally with the flood and then you never fight covenant again after you kill truth

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Covenant/flood/player 3 way fights are, I think, a core part of the overall original trilogy and they simply didn't put one single one in three. Wow how did I never realize that

void valley
#

Well I just discovered beta company of the spartan 3s were a bunch of 12 year olds when they went to their deaths

kindred wadi
#

yep

smoky tartan
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Yes

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Also the gammas who died

void valley
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Crazy

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And Kurt died only a few months after noble team

smoky tartan
#

Correct

void valley
#

Damn man went down with his Spartans

smoky tartan
#

Best death of any Spartan

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Don't @ me

void valley
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Kurt is the goat

smoky tartan
#

Kelly is the goat sorry

#

I prefer my fictional heroes to be fictionally alive

void valley
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Lol

smoky tartan
#

Though 343 will probably kill off blue team now that putting them in a game didn't work out as planned

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Even though that was one of halo 5's absolute best moves

void valley
#

Would really suck for them to kill off more of the best Spartans

#

Personally I can't stand the spartan 4s

smoky tartan
#

3 gamma are probably the "best"

void valley
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Well unless they retcon it Halsey will live to be a wheezing old hag to give six's eulogy

fair hazel
void valley
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True

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But it's phrased that she "gave it" at that date

fair hazel
#

No. Halo 4 epilogue is similar. And halo infinite

void valley
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The Eulogy to SPARTAN-B312 was a speech given by Dr. Catherine Halsey on July 7, 2589 during the return to Reach after its successful reclamation from glassing.

fair hazel
#

Did you copy that from somewhere

void valley
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Yes

fair hazel
#

Where from?

void valley
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The halo wiki assuming it's reliable

fair hazel
#

It is not

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Halopedia is reliable generally.

heady geyser
#

That’s why I always stay away from halo wiki for lore information

pallid thicket
pallid thicket
#

Where did the flood get the biomass needed to grow so large on Installation 05 and Trove respectively?

scarlet hinge
#

in the case of Trove especially, the Covenant had been at the planet for months or years prior to Halo Wars, unable to get access to the interior

#

at least a few Mjern-pattern fleet logistics ships had crashed on the exterior surface of Trove - this is a big deal, as those ships contain hunting preserves inside them full of plants and animals

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so some of the wildlife infected by the Flood in that game may well have been introduced there by the Covenant

pallid thicket
#

The flood use plants and animals for biomass?

last anchor
last anchor
pallid thicket
#

So we know that the Ark is located outside the galaxy and therefore out of range of the Array. However, what happens to those who fire a Halo ring directly from the respective ring’s control room? Do they themselves die?

scarlet hinge
scarlet hinge
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everything on the ring is killed when firing, and the rings must be reseeded after firing alongside the planets of the galaxy

last anchor
#

I thought the biosphere on a Halo was protected from the arrays effects. They were intended as storage basically

dull tiger
last anchor
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I’ll have to go check on that

obsidian thistle
#

XD

#

I am well pleased.

stable flower
heady geyser
heady geyser
#

How long did it take to rebuild installation 04b

stable flower
#

Just to see them fight Flood

heady geyser
#

True but they’ll turn and fight you anyway lol

unique rune
misty swallow
#

Are we ever going to see the Spirit of Fire in Infintie

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Like where's Jerome and Cutter at

gilded mason
#

They're still fighting on the Ark

misty swallow
#

What happened to Prof. Ander's when that Guardian stopped that Halo ring

unique rune
#

I will very audibly groan if the Spirit of Fire gets dragged into Infinite. Ugh.

gilded mason
#

I know, right?

#

It'd be really cringey

misty swallow
unique rune
#

I don't mind revisiting the Spirit of Fire, I just think trying to link them to the Zeta Halo conflict makes everything seem way too small.

gilded mason
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They didn't though. UNSC/Covenant/SoS has known about and fought with the Banished for a while before the SoF did

unique rune
#

We already kinda have that issue with 343's very heavy focus on Spartans and the Chief specifically and trying to make the Spirit of Fire and its crew relevant to Infinite will do very little to help with that. Probably make things even worse if anything.

misty swallow
#

Not extended lore

stable flower
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^

stable flower
#

I wonder how many troops SOF has by now

distant socket
#

do we like time travel 10 minutes? because reaching the corridor in halo ce's autumn from the engineering room was obviously less than 10 minutes, the elevator fight and going to the elevator, and bam, suddenly 5 minutes left

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or was this intentional to force the player to be more focused on escaping the autumn

tawny fox
#

I think Cortana miscalculated or something. Like the engines are melting down quicker than what was originally anticipated

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15 minutes was how much time it was supposed to take had they done it by hitting the ship’s self destruct from the bridge as they originally intended before spark disabled it if I’m remembering correctly

gilded mason
stable flower
#

I also noticed she mentioned getting to a lifeboat, even though the ship has crashed, there are no lifeboats, and lifeboats most likely don't go into space.

tawny fox
#

That never made sense to me either lol

stable flower
#

I only just realized how weird that line was

tawny fox
#

And where in the actual heck was Foehammer this whole time

stable flower
#

That's another thing. Foehammer just returns out of the blue like she was around the whole time.

distant socket
#

lifeboats are basically like the planes that have to be dropped off by a larger aircraft at a high altitude to even fly

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they dont have engines

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atleast in this universe

tawny fox
#

You’d think Cortana would have just contacted Foehammer and told her the plan of blowing up the autumn so she’d already be ready to extract them

distant socket
#

thats what i thought

#

that would be a likely scenario

#

Its going to be expensive giving lifeboats a slipsace drive, or even making them flyable

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during a war where all the money is being spent on food,armor,medical equipments, and most importantly, ships and guns

last anchor
#

Even then, the Condor's slipdrive is limited and fairly weak by many standards.

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Like I think the smallest craft to have a Shaw-Fujikawa engine is that Chiropratra prowler Halsey stole in First Strike and that ones mentioned as being dangerous and unstable too

distant socket
last anchor
#

Techincally you can "ride" through slipspace, as we see in First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx (with a reenforced Spirit dropship and some stealth drop-pods, specifically), but both of those are uncomfortable and dangerous and are just launched into slipspace, then drop into real space

distant socket
#

although, smaller ships with slipspace drives sound cooler

last anchor
#

They do but Nylund said "no"

scarlet hinge
#

this topic comes up in the Halo Array lore stream

heady geyser
#

I forgot does the ark count as a shield world or no

unique rune
#

No

sullen ridge
#

ark isn't a shield world

#

but it's out of range of the arrays

obtuse crow
#

It’s around 244,000 light years or so away from the galaxy.

#

A halos weapon range is around.

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25K.

#

There’s 7 spread around the galaxy.

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None of them could reach the ark if they were fired from the galaxy.

heady geyser
#

Thanks

golden pulsar
distant socket
#

hello?

golden pulsar
#

Now w have Jun, six, and me back together

#

Lol

distant socket
#

yes

golden pulsar
#

Sorry,

distant socket
#

nah its fine

golden pulsar
#

Ya, his name is Jun A266

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I'm pretty sure there was another emile tho

distant socket
#

jun is the only one who survived reach

golden pulsar
#

I'm the real one tho

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Ya, lol

distant socket
#

he just disappared

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and you got killed on a cannon

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trying to defend the autumn

golden pulsar
#

Ya, that'd be cool if they had a game or movie or something on what happens to Jun afterwards

golden pulsar
distant socket
#

there is story on what happens to jun

golden pulsar
#

And u get killed by a couple of elites
Those elite were child's play

golden pulsar
#

Fistful of arrows

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Comic

distant socket
#

tbh if you kept fighting the elites without losing the shield i think noble six would have survived?

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except he has a cracked visor

golden pulsar
#

Idk, but if you look at emiles backstory it's really sad and cool
He's really powerful

distant socket
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i liked emile's visor