#lore-and-universe

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stable flower
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It's just funny how Truth liked the Brutes more, even though they founded the Banished who managed to be a bigger threat to the Covenant than humanity.

craggy sierra
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Did they?

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I think the Banished just kinda pestered the covenant. I don't think they ever stood a chance at toppling them or making overly substantial impacts

last anchor
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They were a serious annoyance, but an annoyance more than anything

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They weren’t legitimately a threat to anyone until the Covrnant broke up and they swallows sections of it whole

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Like Let and Enduring Conviction

stable flower
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Yeah I kinda phrased that wrong

wanton notch
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They were great at harassing the Covenant, and when they split apart it just allowed them to go on a massive recruitment drive

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Quick question-- whatever happened with the Prometheans? I've read somewhere in other Halo groups that the Didact survived (or is being brought back in some way). Obviously taking that with a grain of salt

lone plover
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can shield stop lasers? i wounder if there is a way to bypass shield or at very least make shield ineffective

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actually i thought of something...if shield module is weak to heat and it generate enough eddie current to melt bullet..why not stuff some c4 into some 7.62?

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hell while at it ..make it kinda like shape charge

unique rune
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because the amount of explosive material you can stuff inside ammunition made for infantry weapons is meaningless and not worth the problems it causes

unique rune
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The Promethean forces under Created control are pretty much a complete unknown until 343 decides to pick up on them again. Only real sign of what's up with them at the moment is a crashed Guardian visible far in the background of Infinite's campaign.

lone plover
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since you now have even more heat for the shield to deal with

unique rune
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I mean.
Shields aren't weak to heat.

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They're weak against high energy input.

lone plover
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what kind energy tho?

unique rune
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An explosive would certainly do the trick but making a gun more unreliable and finicky to use because you stuffed 2 grams of extra gunpowder or whatever inside the bullet isn't going to be worth it.

unique rune
lone plover
unique rune
wanton notch
stable flower
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Apparently the Created are still active and fighting on various planets.

gilded mason
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Oh?

last anchor
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The Encyclopedia mentioned that. Cortana's gone but the AIs who worked for her are still out there doing their own things.

junior rivet
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What happens when you smell flood spores

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How do infection forms rip into peoples rib cages

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How do they do it with those tiny arms

severe relic
severe relic
# junior rivet How do infection forms rip into peoples rib cages

They’re rather large they just look small compared to Chief lol. It’s the size of at least a small animal and we see that sometimes they’ll kill their host before by strangling, suffocation etc. Just think of them like little Raccoons, they’re small but they can cause damage despite their size

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I say rather large but I mean larger than we see from a Spartans perspective

junior rivet
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It looks extremely painful

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Worse than the femur breaker

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Would getting infected by flood spores be as painful? Because your not getting infected through a gaping hole in your chest.

severe relic
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Like inhaling them?

junior rivet
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Yes

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Like the ones in halo wars

severe relic
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It wouldn’t hurt to inhale the spores themselves but when the proper infection takes hold it would hurt

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Like it doesn’t hurt to inhale the molecules of an infection like the flu but it’s when it takes hold the pain and uncomfortable aspects start

junior rivet
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When the flood infected a woman on the sof they turned her into a carrier.

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It looked terrifying

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There was like 9 infection forms in her.

whole lantern
wanton notch
boreal bane
boreal bane
visual orbit
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Pog

final harbor
obsidian thistle
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IE the Gravemind chose not to infect the Arbiter in Halo 2. (Which is something they have done before in the Forerunner era)

heady geyser
lone plover
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how much does it take to kill low ranking elite"s shield? (take just regular assault rifle)

gilded mason
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It varies by a lot

lone plover
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i heard it like taking a squad of marine to kill one elite shield

gilded mason
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Sometimes a few bursts, sometimes a full magazine

open isle
fair hazel
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Those images are so great

versed helm
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Does the game get its name from the halo ring planet planet im experiencing in CE

gilded mason
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...Yes.

golden pulsar
golden pulsar
hearty pine
golden pulsar
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Thx bro

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Don't mean to brag

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But I think my helmet and overall look is cooler than Juns

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Lol

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Wait

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Is ur pfp a eva spartan

stable flower
heady geyser
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What’s up my fellow lore people

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Anything new happening within the halo universe besides the didact returning

golden pulsar
heady geyser
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Since the didact is returning does this mean 343 retcon his death or no

gilded mason
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He never died in the first place, so...

heady geyser
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Oh I thought after him and John fight in installation 03 control center he officially die

gilded mason
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John spells out in the aftermath of that encounter that the Didact simply gets composed and is now "contained", not dead.

whole lantern
golden pulsar
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Seriously bro lol

severe relic
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Imagine the Didact came back in Infinite 💀

hidden tendon
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Yeah but is didact an alien, he looks so silly

gilded mason
hidden tendon
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First time I played I thought he was a cyborg

gilded mason
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It showed you his fleshy face in the first cutscene you meet him.

hidden tendon
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I know

gilded mason
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And it was a face that distinctly looked not human, and he called himself a Forerunner. So.

hidden tendon
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I played it a bit ago, I forgot he said he was a forerunner

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I just remember his weird face

quartz thorn
gusty star
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I love how many of these questions can be answered through a simple google search lmao

unreal solstice
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i think he is just a silly little guy

limber vale
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Can someone please explain to me in what chronological moment is the story of the fight in installation 05, with the inquisitor killing the prophet of truth and Tartarus? Because in broken circle they only mention it as a past fact, but I would like to read it, do I have to play the game to see that? I do not have the game and I wanted to know if it is written in a novel, right now I am reading Ghosts of Onyx but it does not seem that the battle of installation 05 will appear. Also if someone can tell me from which novel the operation resumes from First Strike after the Master Chief destroys the 500 Covenant ships that were going to attack Earth. It annoys me how non-linear the novels are, they leave you with a tremendous cliff hanger and then recount past events, I'll read all about ghosts of onyx when I know what happened to the inquisitor and the Master Chief. Because the truth interests me much more. If someone can help me I would really appreciate it.

severe relic
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I’m a little confused on your question. Are you asking when the Prophet of Truth and Tartarus die?

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The Prophet of Truth didn’t die on Delta Halo he died on The Ark (Installation 00). Tartarus died on Installation 05 specifically November 3rd 2552 which is the end of Halo 2

severe relic
limber vale
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So to discover the whole Lore i gotta play the games?

severe relic
limber vale
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😩

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Damn, thanks tho, i will try to find some resume of the games or sum

severe relic
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It’s obviously got a lot of outside lore with the books and comics but it’s primary story of the Master Chief is fleshed out fully from CE-Infinite

charred tundra
limber vale
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At this point i might drop the whole saga, i thought the novels covered the whole story

fair hazel
fair hazel
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I mean it’s a multimedia franchise

last anchor
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And quite an extensive that one.
He says the novels covering everything as if that was a GOOD thing...

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Wheres the fun in that?

stable flower
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The big events should happen in the games, not the EU. It's exactly why 343's campaigns are looked down upon.

unique rune
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???

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343's campaigns cover major important events to more or less the same extent Bungie's do

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People look down on 343 campaigns because I'm like.
70% sure most Halo fans are media-illiterate, nostalgia-clouded, and have CinemaSins brainrot because Bungie campaigns suffer from a lot of the same "sins" that 343's commit.

stable flower
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What about Didact getting composed and the majority of the Created conflict?

limber vale
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Hey, Im watching 6 hours of Halo cinematics, i guess that would be enough to know the games lore without playing the game right

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Can someone please quick tell me whats the plot of every game of the saga, just a quick explanation of each game please, to guide me thru the story

gilded mason
unique rune
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For the most part it's just the same cycle of "UNSC exists, gets its crap pushed in, run away, rinse and repeat" until we get to the games where something actually does happen to break that cycle.

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Is it nice to have stuff to fill in those in-betweens? Sure, it helps build out the fictional universe, but like.
Not actually very major in the context of the games.

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Like between CE and 2. First Strike covers a lot of stuff that is just handwaved by "Sorry, Gunns. It's classified." because none of it really matters to Halo 2's campaign. All you have to know is to connect some of the dots and accept that Johnson and the Chief were able to make it back to Earth by some means.

Any kissing squids and uneven elephants destroyed in the process aren't technically important.

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A story doesn't need to spoon feed you every little tidbit of trivia and whatever else to get to the point, but it will generally explain what you do need as you go along if you just pay attention.

limber vale
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Thanks

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I found out i have to read the lore of Halo 2, because in First strike i was reading when vadamee becomes the Arbiter

gilded mason
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He does not become Arbiter in First Strike, no.

limber vale
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But in the end of the book prophet of truth tells tartarus to bring him to punishment after loosing his ship during the ring battle

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And i think i know that after that they give him a brand of shame right? After that he becomes the arbiter i think, im sorry but i have not reached that part of the story

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I just have seen some spoilers in the wiki

gilded mason
unique rune
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Thel doesn't become the Arbiter until the opening scenes of Halo 2, yeah.

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First Strike sets up stuff that effectively puts him down the path for it, but the game is where it explicitly occurs.

limber vale
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Oke, then i will search for the full resume of Halo 2 to continue the story line

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Another thing i saw is how they never put the covenant perspective in first strike

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The novel Broken circle is after halo 2 right

unique rune
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Broken Circle is set... a little all over the places.

limber vale
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Yeh i mean the second part

unique rune
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Some of it is far in the early days of the Covenant, well before the events of any of the games, but others are set after the end of the Human-Covenant War.

limber vale
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Because the first part is about the San shyumm war with the Sanghelis

shell berry
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Hey, im trying to find the name of the song that plays in the menu sometimes, its got like dissonant chords that play, and almost like a beck and call type thing going with two horns

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does anyone know what it may be?

gilded mason
shell berry
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i've tried listening to both soundtracks on spotify and cant seem to find it

gilded mason
limber vale
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Oke, thx

shell berry
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It was playing while i was in the armour menu

gilded mason
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Halo Infinite?

shell berry
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oh yes sorry, halo infinite

last anchor
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Do we have a list of Infinites soundtrack yet?

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I really wanna get the banger from "The Road"

shell berry
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not sure, i've been listening through the soundtrack trying to find this song, but it may just be unreleased

severe cosmos
last anchor
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Sweeeet

unique rune
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I think there's still a small handful of tracks from the game not present in either soundtrack release.
It's... annoying.

lone plover
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if without shield how strong are the covenant ships?

unique rune
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As strong as the plot demands

limber vale
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Normally they are weaker than Unsc ships without shields

gilded mason
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Was that said anywhere?

limber vale
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The Pillar of Auntum took a lot of damage while the covenant ships only survived 3 or 4 mac rounds

gilded mason
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Succumbing after 3 or 4 MAC rounds is pretty admirable.

limber vale
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Yes actually, but i mean them ships are not to used to recieve hard punishment of fire

gilded mason
limber vale
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They crumble inside their shields after the MaC rounds or explode with the Archer missiles if they dont have shields

last anchor
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The Autumn was a Halcyon (I think) class cruiser, which had ridiculous titanium-a honeycombing.
Which was further reenforced in preperation for Operation Red Flag.
Shes not a standard UNSC ship of the line.

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Covenant armor is exceedingly resiliant, even without its shield.

limber vale
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Obviously its not the same because human weapons were by far weaker than the covenant ones

last anchor
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Also, you try weathering a storm of 50+ car-sized warheads and see how you feel. Archer swarms are no joke.

limber vale
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Unless they had shield

silk flicker
# lone plover if without shield how strong are the covenant ships?

well in Halo 2 a CAS cruiser destroyed the UNSC Feeling Lucky with a single shot, and according to the lore a covenant ship is equivalent to 3 of the unsc of which it is possible that only one survives but is damaged, so even without a shield a ship of the covenant is quite lethal, although they would be easier to destroy since practically the shields were the ones that defined the outcome of the battles between the UNSC and the Covenant in space, so my conclusion is: it will be as strong as the plot demands (sorry if my english is bad)

limber vale
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Archers and Havok bombs where nothing to a shielded covenant ship

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Warthogs were practically indestructible 💀💀

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They are the true ones with plot armor

silk flicker
flat kernel
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The track for the road mission is called the road.

last anchor
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Oh well that makes it real easy

flat kernel
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Yep.

lone plover
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this also remind me of chief surviving a fall from space...

last anchor
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MJLONIR post MK V has various reentry capabilities on its own, usually utilizing an ablative pack or parachute

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Chief utilized a hunk of the Forerunner Dreadnoughts outer hull as a head shield for his dive to earth in 3

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You can see the remains scattered around him when you wake up in Sierra 117

stable flower
shell berry
frozen lagoon
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Do we know where Arby and Locke are in canon rn?

gilded mason
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Nope

severe relic
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Something tells me Locke is either a prisoner, seriously wounded or dead

flat kernel
last anchor
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We'll find out about where Thel is as soon as Halo Outcasts come out

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Ye, that one

spiral jewel
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What Generation Mjolnir is the Rakshaska Armors supposed to be?

What details there are in game make me think Gen 1, with hodgepodge Gen 2 and Gen 3 parts, but I could be wrong.

last anchor
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Its not MJOLNIR, its a side-project armor system in the same vein as SPI is.

limber vale
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Does someone remembers the name of the planet of the Silent storm book

stable flower
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Great. Another book.

versed helm
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i have one question ad one question only

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do gay aliens exist

gilded mason
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Yes.

versed helm
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hell yea

last anchor
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The UNSC itself is also accepting as well of gender, orientation or interest. As is the UEG

obsidian thistle
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Like there is a lot from memory

limber vale
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I mean where the Master chief deploys, where the rebels where planing to make a deal with the covenant

last anchor
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Oh right, the ice moon.

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Thats Biko right?

limber vale
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Thx, i think it is

lone plover
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what the most thermally inefficient material? (like really high specific heat) i want armor to stop plasma in it face

unique rune
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I don't think anything you could physically make armor from would be capable of doing that.

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Like.
Halo plasma weaponry is effectively just flinging miniature sun blobs at the enemy.

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Even if you had armor capable of absorbing all of that thermal and kinetic energy without just melting off or incinerating, it has to go somewhere.
And then it would probably cause horrible burns to the wearer, assuming they don't get cooked alive first.

lone plover
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i mean yea sure a titanium is hard to melt but it doesnt take much to heat it up by several degree celcius

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(im going for specific heat capacity not melting point or boiling point)

last anchor
lone plover
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so i think they most likely construct their metal layer by layer to increase either it thermal conductivity or specific heat capacity

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to a ridiculous degree

unique rune
lone plover
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forerunner super sponge

unique rune
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Plasma temperatures are in the thousands of degrees Celsius/Kelvin. Specific heat practically means nothing with most materials with the mass that would be used for armor at those temperatures.

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Water is well-documented to have a very high specific heat that just about no other element or compound can match, and it'd boil instantaneously unless you had an entire lake's worth of it on you.

flat kernel
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I know it’s not really lore, but this is the only channel where people talk reasonably, at least most of the time, but is the new soundtrack for season 2 on Spotify or other music streaming services?

severe cosmos
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I haven’t found the season 2 soundtracks yet so I don’t think they are.

pale zenith
limber vale
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Even spartan armors cant stand one single plasma shot without the energy shields

versed helm
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marines amour isnt entirley usless since it can deflect small arms fire but not plasma wepons

worn socket
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i think im not 100% sure

unique rune
unique rune
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Most of the armor’s protective capability comes from the energy shields (which weren’t standard until relatively late in the war) and making the wearer agile enough to not get hit in the first place.

glass bridge
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master chief (halo infinite), doom slayer (doom eternal), predator (predator hunting grounds). free for all, who would win

last anchor
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Doom Slayer notes theres no demons there and leaves via portal to do his actual job.
Chief finds the Predator instantly due to years of expereince tracking camo'd Sangheili and puts his MK VII MJLONIR suite to work on it.
Its just another xeno. Dies easily.

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Kinda a pointless fight dude, its an unaugmetned (if still tought) xeno against a walking tank.

glass bridge
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but if doom slayer didnt leave

waxen citrus
glass bridge
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im saying doomslayer

waxen citrus
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Cause one of the big advantage chief has is his ai companion

fringe robin
unique rune
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Flipyap could beat Goku

golden pulsar
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Lol, also, chief VS doom-doom would win, and predator would die easily so doomslayrr would win this fight

glass bridge
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there is a video on youtube showing why masterchief would win against doomslayer but there were a lot of inconsistancies. the way chief wins is that he deploys a shield which, as explained earlier in the video stops projectiles from entering or exiting, but then, with the shield still up, chief throws a grenade through the shield and somehow kills slayer in one shot

golden pulsar
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Ya

glass bridge
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unrelated but apparently doom slayer would be jewish

golden pulsar
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So, I'm pretty sure doomslayer would win seeing as he went to hell and heaven, killed a few godly powered things, and an angel, and is still alive killing/slaying hell on earth

golden pulsar
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So is he really from earth

glass bridge
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and he slayed hell multiple times just because his pet rabit daisy died

golden pulsar
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Or maybe that's the metaphor, earth is heaven and hell

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And he did come from earth

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It's just a weird concept

glass bridge
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earth can be either heaven or hell depending on your family

golden pulsar
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Exactly, or the people in it

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Also, when does doom take place, like time?

glass bridge
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2022

golden pulsar
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Lol, really

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Nooo, 2149

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Still 127 years in the future lol

glass bridge
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doom ultimate, look it up

golden pulsar
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W ha t

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That makes no sense

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Is ultimate like a flash back

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Or did he go back in time to stop the spread

glass bridge
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i, dont, know

golden pulsar
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Lol, that's so weird

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Did u join the server just tdy?

last anchor
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Probably

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Obviously hasn't had many who would win arguments, thats for sure

golden pulsar
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Lol

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You've been on this server for 4 years

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I've only been in for 1 month

craggy sierra
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Chief rides a plank of metal down from the stratosphere and takes major armor damage that locks him up for a week til Johnson comes by. DOOM Slayer launches himself out of a mac canon at like 10% of lightspeed and lands on his feet and also literally consumes the souls of hell to sustain himself.

golden pulsar
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R u sure its a week that he's locked up

versed helm
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hi

glass bridge
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I love how we all just discarded predator because we all know he'd die in the first 10 seconds anyways

stable flower
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People don't seem to starve to death in Halo

unique rune
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I mean. Usually we see them getting killed by plasma fire before they can starve.

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People are believed to be able to go for a couple of weeks without food before starving to death assuming they still have access to water, even if it’s, y’know, not exactly healthy.

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Between cryosleep being a thing and the Covenant being… the Covenant, someone in potential starvation circumstances is more likely to get killed by something else before they reach that point.

golden pulsar
urban ridge
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Then again, now that I think about it it makes no sense

limber vale
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Halo Anniversary cinematics are lame af, i almost cried watching it 💀

urban ridge
limber vale
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Ye

urban ridge
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I agree

limber vale
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Watching cortana like that almost hurted me

urban ridge
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Blurr had amazing cutscenes

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For halo 2 anniversary

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And halo wars 2

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And even HW 1

lone plover
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do forerunner use neutron as weapons?

gentle violet
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Hi is there any way to read old Halo Canon fodder issues?

unique rune
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Halopedia should have an archive of them.

hidden tendon
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Mega construx

terse lava
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@lone plover the Halos themselves used "cross-phased neutrinos" as their main weapon. It's likely both Forerunner and Ancient Human infantry also had hand-held knes

near tide
scarlet hinge
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we host a full archive of the 2014-2021 version of Halo Waypoint here

gentle violet
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Thank you!

limpid gust
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Why did they change the way monitors looked when the monitor in forge is the same one as bungies and 5's 💀

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Unless the ones in infinite aren't monitors?

limpid gust
unique rune
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Because different Monitors might just, y'know, look different?

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It was never static between previous games either, there were always subtle changes from title to title.

limpid gust
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Since when

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Show me

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1-3 is not proof because that's just updating a model, and the same monitor was in all 3

unique rune
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I mean. With the way Halo media treats its design variation, all could arguably be considered canon variants of one basic Monitor casing design.

343 Guilty Spark may technically be only one permutation of it, but there's nothing to say that his "other" casing styles couldn't simultaneously exist and see use in other roles.

limpid gust
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We've seen exuberant witness as well as that red eyed monitor already

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They share his design completely

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The new monitor literally looks like a destiny ghost shell 💀

last anchor
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Zeta Halo's a different ring. Probably requires a different carapace to interface with it.
It was one of the original ring sets after all.

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Its systems are old.

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I doubt monitor carapaces are even whole stable, they're made of hardlight like sentinels are so they can probably adjust their form at will

limpid gust
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You're telling me the ark isn't older than the other rings?

unique rune
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The Arbiter in Halo 5 uses the same body phenotype as Hesduran Sangheili, and yet he's canonically still meant to be the "standard" phenotype we see in Halo 2 Anniversary.

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Contender-class ancilla are depicted using different shell types across media, why would Monitors be different?

unique rune
limpid gust
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Okay but hear me out, why wouldn't the forerunners just update their monitors like they did with other technology

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They clearly did with the creation of promethean knights

unique rune
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Because it may not be necessary?

limpid gust
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You think the forerunners see an upgrade as unnecessary?

unique rune
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There's nothing that suggests the Monitor shell models used by Despondent Pyre or Adjutant Resolution are any more or less effective than the model platform used by the other Neoteric Array Monitors, why would they need to change it?

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There isn't even that big a gap between the creation of the Senescent and Neoteric Arrays to begin with

limpid gust
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And weren't the monitors made after ALL the rings were completed or am I missing something?

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I don't think they did ring, then monitor for EACH installation

unique rune
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The Monitors were created at some point during the construction of the Neoteric Array, exact timeline is unknown. However, given that Guilty Spark existed as a Monitor before their completion, I think it's probably safe to assume some of the others were probably in a similar situation.

They just needed to have their memories compartmentalized and then be reassigned to their new posts.

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At the end of the day the Monitor shells used in Infinite's campaign are probably no more than just... slightly different patterns that coexisted with the one we're used to.

limpid gust
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Idk I just feel that it's a new pothole and it's annoying that I'm trying to fill it

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Your explanation is definitely acceptable copium but still. It's frustrating that the multiplayer has a different monitor than the campaign, which means there's an actual explanation if they decide that's how the MP Monitor will look like.

unique rune
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I mean. It's not really a plot hole?

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The Halo universe is... big. And the Forerunners made lots of things. So many things. Many, many, many things.

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Sure, maybe it's a bit of a cop-out explanation, but like. What more explanation does it really need?

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Sometimes things are just different.

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Maybe it's a designer choice, maybe it's a manufacturing limitation. It's like how in real life military suppliers will license out their designs to local manufacturers who will often make slight changes depending on availability of components or intended purpose.

last anchor
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Which is why the M392B "Bandit" DMR exists interestingly, its a lisenced (or perhaps UNLISENCED) copy of the M392 produced by Servine Arms

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Come to think of it, I think a lot of their weapons might be that, their SA-10 that Veta Lopis weilds looks VERY much like someone stuck an extended barrel into the front of an M6...

limpid gust
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...licensed.

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But meh, I think it's unnecessary that they rigged up an entirely new model for the sake of something we've yet to know. They explained why chief's armor changed in 4&5, and we know his newest suit is gen 3, not gen 2, so why the change in monitors?

last anchor
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Not a priority

limpid gust
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Like I said they're picky and choosey with what they want to change and even pickier with explaining it

unique rune
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I would imagine they wanted to make them more expressive or something. Despondent Pyre and Adjutant Reflex both have more moving parts that allow for a bit more emotion to be expressed than just being a static metal ball.

And like. If they do give an explanation, it’s probably just going to be “different Monitor shells coexisted and were in service in parallel”.

limpid gust
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I do get the need to break away from the Bungie designs and whatnot, but sometimes sticking with your roots and basics is what makes people enjoy the content

unique rune
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The CCS-class battlecruiser magically gained an extra pair of fins under its prow in the jump from Halo 2 to Halo 3, no one batted an eye there.

Didn’t get an explanation for them being pattern variations until like, what, Warfleet?

limpid gust
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You cannot deny that's the reason we have this gen3 suit now, as well as elites using their more classic designs and colors, even being brightly colored to differentiate from the background

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Prometheans being lense flares was a headache

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Whatever the reason, it's the simplest explanation at worst

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And some convoluted explanation at best, meanwhile we're still using guilty spark as 343's representative mascot so idfk anymore

unique rune
#

but sometimes sticking with your roots and basics is what makes people enjoy the content
And I am sick and tired of it.
"Going back to basics" and "return to form" and related marketing guff goes right up there with "gritty, dark, and mature" for marketing nonsense that is an immediate red flag for something turning out to be bland and uninspired.

versed helm
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hi

unique rune
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Pandering to nostalgia will never live up to experiencing something new for the first time, and if people would just open their minds to a little more exploration and experimentation instead of pigeonholing themselves into rigid expectations of "THIS is what Halo is, THIS is what Halo should be, and THIS is what Halo always will be," maybe things would just be a little bit different.

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I'm not saying people should blindly praise everything new, but it's not healthy or sensible to constantly praise the old and expect everything new to be like the old. You wouldn't engage with Halo 3 in the same way that you would with CE (at least I hope) because they're very different games, and there is nothing wrong with that.

limpid gust
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You can't jump from CE to 3 because they're practically a decade apart

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That's like comparing Tetris to Wii Sports tennis

unique rune
#

...They're only 6 years apart.

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And even with that aside, 2 is a wildly different game from CE.

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Tonally, mechanically, visually.

limpid gust
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Not even mechanically other than the dual wielding and removal of health kits

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Same UI, same movement mechanics, without using glitches. Same enemies, with the addition of only two new ones, and a few new vehicles.

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And they took the data FROM CE to modify the starting weapons in 2

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Seeing how people played. That's listening to your community and sticking to roots.

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Now let's look at reach to 4, which reach was the MLG killer because they didn't introduce same start loadouts, and then Halo 4 took it even worse and MLG is nowhere near as big as it once was.

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Reach was new, bit was accepted as such because it still used the same basic formula even though people still see it through rose tinted glasses

severe relic
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Bro some monitors just look different that’s literally it

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It’s not a plot hole it’s just a variation in appearance lol. It’s still a floating ball with a colourful eye

heady geyser
lone plover
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why does game always shows magnum better perform then assault rifle

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every time i look at halo game play it looks like ar is garbage

heady geyser
#

If you could rank the canon books how would you rank them from best to worst

lone plover
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why do they classifies guns that use 7.62 full power cartrdige as assault rifle while one that uses 9mm intermediate cartridge as battle rifle

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where is the 5.56

heady geyser
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You’re using the wrong channel this’s for lord and universe

unique rune
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If the Assault Rifle did more damage per bullet than the Magnum while maintaining its rate of fire, no one would use the Magnum.

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Or most other guns, for that matter.

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Just don't treat gameplay balancing and mechanics as representative of canon and things get a lot easier

golden pulsar
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U know how halo sometimes takes place on earth

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I wonder the population on earth and reach combined

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But today, November 15, 2022, we just reached 8 billion people

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!!!

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At 3:00 California, USA time

lone plover
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give us few more decade we can have the population of a imperial hive world

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or at least a hive city

hazy shadow
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The Emperor approves.

craggy hamlet
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Who is the coolest spartan in halo lore aside from blue team

gilded mason
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That would be entirely up to you.

unique rune
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I wanted to make a joke but I can't think of any Spartans who've died of hypothermia.

gilded mason
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I was trying to think of one as well, lmao

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I was going to say James, but from what I've read before, space doesn't quite work like that.

lone plover
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is the plasma coming out of plasma rifle a high pressure gas?

gilded mason
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Maybe?

unique rune
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It's... magnetically guided highly energized gas... kind of.
Ish.

lone plover
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is it like plasma cutter pressure

gilded mason
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We don't really know much of Covenant Plasma

lone plover
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then ..might be able to stop it with aerogel

gilded mason
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We do know that it's apparently "far more dangerous, arcane, and destructive" than plasma we'd normally think of.

stable flower
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Getting shot by it is painful as hell.

lone plover
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im only thinking it as long range plasma cutter

unique rune
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Silica-based aerogels are not known to be carcinogenic or toxic. However, they are a mechanical irritant to the eyes, skin, respiratory tract, and digestive system. They can also induce dryness of the skin, eyes, and mucous membranes.

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Wow, aerogel sounds like a terrible thing to use as protective gear for people to wear.

lone plover
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we can use layers of it

gilded mason
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Yeah, I don't think that'll help against Covenant plasma

lone plover
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but think about it..it transfer heat very poorly

gilded mason
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😐

lone plover
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and i dont need materal to completely absorb heat

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just need to take part of it

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like surface boils off while the layer under it receive little amount of energy

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with halo tech we can make metal version of aerogel or ceremicaerogel

unique rune
#

Trying to do sandwiched layers of aerogel sounds like an easy way to make armor plating that is uncomfortably bulky.

lone plover
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just need it to stop plasma fire

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plus metal sponge are also pretty good at spreading out kinetic energy

unique rune
#

Oh, right, aerogels are also very fragile. Go figure. Absolutely terrible material for military applications, especially in active combat zones.

lone plover
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and plus who cares if the surface boils of if it means your armor receive like 80% less of the bolt energy

gilded mason
#

That's certainly generous

unique rune
#

If it just collapses and loses all its insulative properties because you turned too fast or tripped on something, it's completely useless.

lone plover
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or better yet ceramic (like aluminum oxide)

gilded mason
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The UNSC is already making Mjolnir out of some titanium alloy

lone plover
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but arent those still conduct heat greatly?

gilded mason
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It also serves as another layer of protection against ballistics attacks and is coated with a heat resistant material to disperse heat from plasma weapons

unique rune
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I'm going to guess that a hypothetical titanium aerogel isn't going to be much more useful than silica-based aerogels, considering the primary advantage of metal aerogels is their electrical conductivity.

lone plover
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like how cpu get hot if you dont have thermal paste

unique rune
#

Thermal conductivity doesn't mean anything if it's still going to break apart real easy

lone plover
unique rune
#

what

lone plover
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just like how you use mirror finish armor to reflect off laser light

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instead of taking it all in like black paint

unique rune
#

...Highly reflective armor to reflect lasers sounds like an absolutely terrible idea.

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More likely to blind yourself, a friendly, or just give away your position immediately.

lone plover
#

not taking all that energy

unique rune
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So you want to focus in on one singular aspect while trashing every other functional purpose of the armor.

lone plover
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not like we havent done it since the time we use composite armor on our tank armor

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glass were being used to make tank armor (brttle? sure...but the point of that is to spread out kinetic energy instead of having it all focus on a point)

last anchor
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Presumably he suffocated anyway before that (assuming he wasnt run over by a fighter craft)

last anchor
unique rune
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I only ever remember MJOLNIR having some sort of heat-diffusing coating or something like that, not sure about light-reflective.

last anchor
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Not very much of one but Chief notes the MK IV is slightly glossy. They added it to help dissapate plasma.
Doesnt work very well, Sam still died

limpid gust
#

Rip sam

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And Kurt

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And Jerome being 052

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Might've not been Jerome but I know Jorge didn't always have that number.

unique rune
#

Jorge and Jerome have always been the only Spartan-IIs to hold -052 and -092, so…

limpid gust
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I swear that the number 052 was used for someone else

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Either that or the book that I read the lore in had the craziest typo

prime mango
#

05 032 Mendicant Bias?

steel stone
#

There maybe have been something that explained this but whats up with Spartan energy shields?

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If Im correct Spartans got their shields from the jackal gauntlet

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Jackal shields are sometimes blue, red and purple

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But why are Spartan shields gold? their armor lights as well are weird because they are blue like the jackal shield.

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Just something I was thinking about ever since I got this new armor coating in Infinite.

unique rune
#

I'm pretty sure there's never actually been an explanation for shield colors. They're just sorta... like that.

limpid gust
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Reverse engineered but using a crystal power source, I believe? And since it's technically a downgrade that might explain the gold, perhaps was taken from a jackal minor, which is yellow. And they couldn't perfectly replicate the final result, I'd assume that the newer energy shields are elite-sourced to some degree because the elites have clearly designed some Spartan armors as well, helioskrill and whatnot.

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I'd assume that the gen3 platform uses elite shielding since it's upgradable

steel stone
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The shields could be moved to different parts of the body to make it stronger, that sounds hype

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So its like a crystal? didnt think that was how spartan shields were made, thats cool

limpid gust
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What sucks is spartan black team was killed when 343 took over and they were mad cool with improved MKVI MJOLNIR Suits...😮‍💨

unique rune
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Reverse engineered but using a crystal power source, I believe?
The Mk.V platform's shields were reverse-engineered from Kig-Yar PDGs but differences in power source were never specified.

Halo 2's campaign notes that the Mk.VI platform's shield generation tech is an improvement over the Covenant-derived shielding in Mk.V but it's also never specified how.

limpid gust
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Or maybe that's just biofoam injectors in the suits, but I only know Spartan black team to have that upgrade

unique rune
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Not needing medkits was due to Mk.VI having internal biofoam storage.

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MJOLNIR Black was a prototype for the improvements that would later make it into Mk.VI.

limpid gust
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They were the prototypes?

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Aaah.

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Sucks how they went out, honestly

cobalt quiver
#

What was the failure/success rate of the Orion augmentations?

steel stone
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I like Black team because even years later in Halo 4s time theres still alot of Spartans wearing that cool Halo 3 mark 6 armor

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That was halo 4s time where Spartans just look crazy looking

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Makes me wonder how they died, not even 1 survived which is lame. I just noticed did one of them get faceplanted into the ground?! didnt think the Didact had it in him wow.

stable flower
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I was hoping Ossoona armor would be black, seeing as they're stealthy espionage units.

unique rune
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Well, I mean, we don't really have an established canon color for them.

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And knowing the Covenant I'm sure they come in like a billion style variations for each ministry with minor variations in functionality.

terse lava
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@unique rune If memory serves me correctly, Ossoona were hand-picked Majors for the task at hand

unique rune
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Right, I’m just thinking in the context of the specialized Ossoona harness specifically

terse lava
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Fair, I do find it interesting how, despite the rank being temporary, it has its own dedicated harness.

limber vale
#

Someone know is the entire Osiris spartan team dies?

little marsh
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someone give me some h2 heretic lore

last anchor
limber vale
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😩

last anchor
last anchor
limber vale
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Yeh, at least i hope Locke gets absolutely smashed by someone

last anchor
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No such luck.

versed helm
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WASNT noble 6 the reason master chief saga began

hazy shadow
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No. Master Chief predated Noble 6 by decades.

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In lore.

unique rune
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B312 only does that retroactively.
Chief's story worked perfectly fine without him and the rest of Noble Team.

Hell, Reach threw a couple of wrenches into that whole process.

steel stone
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Echo and Bravo I think they were called.

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It was lame as hell we never came across any Spartan 2s or actual 3s and was wondering where most them were in the game.

unique rune
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Gauntlet, Echo, and Red were UNSC Navy Spartan-III teams similar to Noble.
They're probably all dead.

steel stone
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Really?? that sounds awesome

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Imagine how their armor would of looked. What if they are all the dead Spartans in the Lone Wolf Mission?

unique rune
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I... doubt that.

steel stone
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I hope thats not the case holding out for non existent Halo Reach extra DLC Missions

steel stone
# unique rune I... doubt that.

Those Spartans in Lone Wolf in theory might be dead Spartan 2s mainly because they might have been deployed to something of great importance like the Pillar of Autumn...and why not get the best class to defend something like that?

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The fight might of been like some next level chaos because you can see a huge fight in the autumn level

unique rune
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I'm pretty sure that's even more unlikely because we know the whereabouts of pretty much every Spartan-II during the time of the Fall of Reach.

steel stone
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Maybe this was happening

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I gotta remake this in Halo Infinite only lame part is theres playable elites for this map to work

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Back on topic I think that was happening while we were going through the Autumn level, fits very well I think.

unique rune
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...Yeah, no, I'm pretty sure the timeline doesn't actually work out, nor do the physical locations.

steel stone
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As someone that mainly plays the games I think the books have a very important place but I cant imagine it fitting perfectly

unique rune
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Both are canon, it's just messy due to various contradicting minutiae and bizarre timeline changes.

steel stone
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Makes me wonder what stuff they changed or altered a bit

last anchor
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Halo Canon made a video on it. Go watch that

steel stone
severe relic
#

Are the only books with ODST leads New Blood, (Kinda) Bad Blood and the Kilo Five trilogy?

last anchor
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There’s also the short story Dirt in Evolutions

last anchor
steel stone
steel stone
topaz spindle
# lone plover not taking all that energy

Mjolnir armor has coating at equally dispersed High Energy on different armor pieces, it didn't Reflect it.
While it would definitely hurt the user it wouldn't push all of that energy on one armor piece.

Otherwise why don't Energy Swords simply reflect off of the armor?

last anchor
lone plover
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hey have any faction in halo uses positron as weapons?

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like positron rifles or cannon

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it would be cool if it fire a beam of positron annihilating any molecular bond at molecular level

last anchor
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No

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I’m not even sure you can weaponize them.

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I guess the Forerunners had ion weaponry?

lone plover
last anchor
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Nah something else

severe relic
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Spartan-III’s are amazing and I’ll never forgive them for murdering all of them lol

steel stone
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I love the Spartan 3 armor too it just looks awesome

lone plover
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i want to ask...why the hell do they not more widely use the BR and also changing the magnum to a 10mm pistol...isnt shielded personal already a pain to deal with?

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or are they just gonna keep using 7.62nato untill it gone

topaz spindle
lone plover
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we have this in our time

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and it pretty darn good

topaz spindle
#

Also to answer your question.

Forerunners had very limited Ion Weaponry a prime example being the Harvester, it atomized it's targets

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However Ion Weapons took a extreme amount of power to use so at that point in time it wasn't worth it unless it was used as a last resort

lone plover
topaz spindle
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To be able to make Ion Weapons that had such lethality on a Rifle platform was impossible

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They were mostly in Ship cannons

lone plover
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wait isnt ion just plasma?

topaz spindle
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Ion melts you down to a Molecular scale Plasma just melts you into a goop given enough time

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It doesn't directly destroy your cells

lone plover
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oh wait i see...

topaz spindle
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Ion is concentrated so strongly that it can do that

lone plover
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electron gun essentially

severe relic
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Now Onyx go 💥

topaz spindle
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All I know was that Ion Weapons were stupidly expensive and difficult to make that it was barely ever used by the Forerunners

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Until the Didact that is

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But that's the Reclaimer Trilogy

severe relic
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Just wait until the Didact comes to Zeta Halo and works with Chief to stop the Endless

topaz spindle
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I have no idea if it's gonna be the Flood or something else

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Most likely the Flood but no 100%

severe relic
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The Endless are the harbingers species

lone plover
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i think didact will most likely team with endless

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since he hate humanity

topaz spindle
#

Forerunners absolutely hate the flood

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Everyone hates the flood

severe relic
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I doubt that the Forerunners tried to get rid of the Endless

topaz spindle
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Cause it's the biggest threat to the universe

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Literally capable of destroying civilization as we know it

lone plover
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wait flood is still around?

topaz spindle
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Yes

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Not seen in Infinite but they're still out there

severe relic
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They were on the ark

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The Banished fought them before coming back to the galaxy

lone plover
#

speaking of endless are they precursor in some ways? there some people says it

severe relic
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No idea

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They’re just a species that withstood the halo array

topaz spindle
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No

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The endless aren't Precursors

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Or related for that matter

severe relic
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The Flood are 😎

lone plover
topaz spindle
#

Ya flood are mad precursors

lone plover
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become one with the fleshy bits

severe relic
#

The flood are just some precursor sneeze

lone plover
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precursor dust

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i think precursor is still actually around since they gone to many galaxies

severe relic
#

I highly highly doubt they are

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After millions of years I think they’d look for their buddies

topaz spindle
#

The flood are the last precursors

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Since the Forerunners nearly wiped them

severe relic
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The last precursor decided to turn himself into a spore

lone plover
#

did they travel out side of path kathona and wipe out precursors on the other galaxies?

unique rune
#

I think it's... certainly possible some are still around.
The Forerunners didn't "kill" all of them, if I recall correctly some were stated to have escaped out of the Milky Way galaxy.

The other thing is that they don't really "live" in the same way most life did.

topaz spindle
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The forerunners had a war over the Mantle of Responsibility when they found out Humans were going to have it instead of them.

severe relic
#

L humanity for losing

topaz spindle
unique rune
#

They're on some other weird ascended plane of existence that doesn't necessarily conform to the same rules of life or death that everything else does.

lone plover
#

speaking of the ancient humanity....what do they use as weapons?

severe relic
lone plover
#

do they use plasma?

topaz spindle
#

Mhm

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The flood messed them up big time

severe relic
topaz spindle
#

And they didn't even understand it

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And the forerunners didn't know what the flood was at the time so they thought Humanity was invading them

severe relic
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Humanity rivalled the Forerunners at one point so their weaponry was similar

unique rune
#

Ancient humanity's weapons aren't really specified

topaz spindle
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If they did know then I doubt the Forerunners would've killed the Humans

unique rune
#

We know some of their cruisers were at least outfitted with weapons known as "fibril cutters"

golden pulsar
severe relic
topaz spindle
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Since they very closely rivaled Forerunner tech

severe relic
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They used guns 👍

topaz spindle
#

The covenant wouldn't stand a chance

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One warship could probably take on a entire fleet

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That's how advanced they were

lone plover
golden pulsar
lone plover
#

the ancient human ships?

severe relic
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Humanity

unique rune
#

Ancient human infantry weapons also had particle/directed energy weapons
But in general nothing's really been concretely defined

topaz spindle
#

One of their Cruisers could likely take on a entire fleet

severe relic
#

They probably used hardlight

topaz spindle
severe relic
#

So weapons like that of the promtheans and sentinels

lone plover
#

might stand a chance against forerunner metal

topaz spindle
golden pulsar
#

Not the humans, the hardlight was only known to the forrunners

topaz spindle
#

Mhm

topaz spindle
#

I think the Humans had their own version tho

golden pulsar
#

Ya

topaz spindle
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Since they rivaled the Forerunners

lone plover
#

imagine unsc get their hands on some particle weapons

severe relic
#

I mean

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They do

lone plover
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and stop using bullet all together

severe relic
#

They’re just not smart enough to fully reverse engineer it

lone plover
#

let say ...ultrakill pistol (a gun that can use what ever metal bits as ammunition)

severe relic
#

Think about how long it took them to make shields for their Spartans lol. You think they can do stuff like that

lone plover
#

sorry im a bit lost in track

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btw with what weapon?

topaz spindle
#

Ya Ancient Humanity probably had regular soldiers with stronger Shielding than a Silent Shadow

golden pulsar
#

The ancient humans also couldn't take on the flood
That's the reason we don't have the weapons we had back then
The forerunners put humans into the little cartridges and planted* them after the rings fired
The rings firing is the equivalent to the big bang
Then the forerunners planted* them and started life as we know it
The reason they fired the rings was because it was going to kill flood
But as we know, it didn't

*planted means like putting us back into the world

lone plover
#

like mass accelerate time to massive degree so everything shrivel and dies in seconds

unique rune
#

No

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That's just a fan theory

lone plover
severe relic
#

It’s like a nerve attack I’m pretty sure

golden pulsar
#

There were multiple wars going on regarding covenant, humanity, forerunners, and precursors
The precursors created the universe and can't die
The forerunners drove them to wanna die and so they poofed out of existence
But in doing so added the ultimate enemy
Flood
BTW, the precursors wanted humanity to be the next precursors
Then flood attacked the covenant and forerunners killing off most of them
Then the didact turned the forerunners into AI like we see in halo 4 to fight the flood off
Then the covenant was started to crumble due to the humans and flood attacking them
They were saved by the forerunners and put into cartridges like we see in infinite
Then humans started to get annihilated
And the forerunners decided to make themselves in the position of the precursors
But they had to turn completely into robots
And so that's why the didact was alive in halo 4
And then the rings fired
We were placed on earth
And the world went about until whenever the covenant attacked

lone plover
#

didact also turn some of the humans into AI to fight the flood

golden pulsar
# severe relic It’s like a nerve attack I’m pretty sure

The flood attack the nerves and so that's why master chief took out the brain thing in captain keyes in halo ce because that was connected to his nerves which could control pretty much anything keyes had access to when he lived which could've led to the flood controlling earth and its fleets

golden pulsar
lone plover
#

and then anger his wife

golden pulsar
#

They were fighting against each other

golden pulsar
lone plover
#

i wounder why didnt didact just make robots to fight the flood

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i mean you dont need to put someone into a robot brain to fight the flood

golden pulsar
#

That was like only a third of halos lore, and that was a small gist

golden pulsar
#

Also, think of the wars3n eternal from halo 5 🤮

lone plover
golden pulsar
#

Ya

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Idk why

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He's weird

lone plover
#

i guess didact just have some brain rot

golden pulsar
#

Lol ya

lone plover
#

it stupid doing stuff that necrotyr do to them selves

golden pulsar
#

Ya

#

I still think titanfall is a smoother game tho
Lore-----> halo
Gameplay------->titanfall2

lone plover
#

i dont think they should even worry that AI will rebel against them cause look...they have entire army full of suit with ai in them and it didnt go switcharoos

golden pulsar
#

But think, the flood infection forms arnet small, 4 feet at biggest

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And they have infected spart3ns

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Robots are a safer bet then to waste the minds of brilliant soldiers and nvr get them back

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Ther minds at least

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Unless they could bring people back to life

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Funny to think that our society will turn into that tho

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Does that explain more?

unique rune
#

I mean. The problem with robots is that they don't really think.

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They're only as good as their programming allows them to be.

golden pulsar
#

Exactly, but I mean

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Cortona

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Or Cortona 2.0

unique rune
#

...And she's made from a human consciousness.

Like Promethean Knights.

golden pulsar
#

Or the AI from halo wars 1 and 2

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He wasn't made from human concious

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Was he?

unique rune
#

You mean like, Serina and Isabel?

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Because both of them are Smart AI. Created from human brain scans.
Like Cortana.

golden pulsar
#

No, but yes

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I meant roland

unique rune
#

Roland isn't from HW1/2, but he's also a Smart AI.
Also created from a scan of a donated brain.

golden pulsar
unique rune
#

Uh. Yeah. That's what I said.

golden pulsar
#

Shoot

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Sorry

unique rune
#

They're created by scanning human brains.
The scanning process destroys said brain.

golden pulsar
#

Except for halsey?

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She's alive

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She did the scan for cortona

unique rune
#

Because she flash cloned herself

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She used flash cloned brains to create Cortana (and later the Weapon).

golden pulsar
#

But cortona 2.0 was a rewrite of cortona

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Like code

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Not flesh or scan

unique rune
#

No, she's an AI based on the same brain "architecture" with more limitations placed on it.

golden pulsar
#

Ok

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Don't be mad. I just argue for the sake of doing so ur good

unique rune
#

They didn't "rewrite" Cortana's code because smart AI and conscious minds are too complicated to do that with

golden pulsar
#

Ya

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Ok

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Imma go then

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Thx

limber vale
#

JEROME-092 Survived reach or he wasnt there in the first place?

gilded mason
#

Latter

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Halo Wars kind of put him on ice for the majority of the war

limber vale
#

Okey.

severe relic
#

He woke up to get beat up

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Brutally

small yew
#

Wasn’t that Douglas who got beat up by atriox in the intro to halo wars 2

abstract wren
unique rune
#

the what

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I mean.
I don't think 3 years is that big a difference in the grand scheme of things.

And depending on how it's written, Cryptum may just be rounding off the number for simplicity's sake.

abstract wren
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So no, it's not just 3 years....

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It's just not looking to right infos and misleading fans

hazy shadow
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... How do people keep messing this up? It's both/and. One timeline is prior to Mendicant Bias.

unique rune
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...And once again I suspect that Cryptum wasn't meaning it was exactly 50 years.
Like.

Long time periods often get rounded off for the sake of simplicity or emphasis.
And if Primordium immediately comes out and says "well, actually, it was 53 years long," one, then the canonical duration may have just been 53 years the whole time

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Like if something goes on for 11 months, a lot of people are just gonna say "it lasted for a year" because the minutiae aren't that important

abstract wren
unique rune
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It's just not looking to right infos and misleading fans
...How is this "misleading"

abstract wren
abstract wren
unique rune
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I have none of the relevant books on hand but I'm trusting Halopedia's sourcing that says the 2022 Encyclopedia puts the duration as 53 years long from around 107,525 BCE–107,472 BCE

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I don't know where Halo.fr got its numbers from but Halopedia makes zero mention of any sources saying it was only 3 years

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The human-Forerunner conflict lasting a millennium as mentioned in Halo 4 is also much more consistent with the dates that Halopedia presents, so I'm still inclined to trust their numbers

abstract wren
unique rune
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...What reason do I have to not trust the most well-maintained English-language Halo wiki available.

abstract wren
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They are locked in a infinite discussion without making anything concrete

unique rune
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Do you actually have the books on hand to disprove what's on Halopedia? Because I'd be happy to believe you if you did

abstract wren
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Did you saw what the source is ? It's wrong on everything (the page, the date) it doesn't evenmention the retcon

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The page is not updated

unique rune
abstract wren
abstract wren
unique rune
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I know Halo.fr lists the inconsistencies, my concern is that I don't know if I trust Halo.fr

abstract wren
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There is sources on the WikiHalo'one. Halopedia's page is not up to date.

unique rune
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Okay, so I see that the '22 Encyclopedia says on page 8 that the Siege of Charum Hakkor only lasted 3 years.
This clears things up significantly.

abstract wren
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Yes just like Mythos did

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Primordium did it too.

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That's why I don't understand how Haruspis could say first in the CF that's 50 years and now 53 years...

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It's misleading

unique rune
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I mean I don't think he's being intentionally misleading, the problem is that the numbers presented across different media don't entirely make sense.

And I'm starting to suspect it was Mythos or some other media that misinterpreted the Primordium line's intended meaning, which then got carried over to the '22 Encyclopedia because the Human-Forerunner War only being a half-century long sounds... pathetic and wrong.

Cryptum and Halo 4 both present the war as lasting a millennium, which I would argue makes much more sense considering the scale on which this war would've been waged, as well as further emphasizing the longevity of the Forerunners in reference to how advanced they are as a society.

Beside her stood the Didact, a great, hulking presence, my sworn enemy for fifty-three years of continuous battle. Yet he had not aged. Forerunners live so very long; human lives are like candle flames flickering and guttering before their steady torches.

Going by what's actually in the book, I think it's safe to say that Forthencho was not alive for the entire millennium of the Human-Forerunner War as it was originally written, therefore it should be assumed that the "fifty-three years of continuous battle" is specifically referring to the Siege of Charum Hakkor alone.
Otherwise, the line about the Ancestors' lifespans being significantly shorter than those of the Forerunners also doesn't make sense.

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And then the other thing is that a war is... not necessarily that would be described as continuous battle.

But a siege...

abstract wren
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fifty-three years of continuous battle" is specifically referring to the Siege of Charum Hakkor alone. -> no, it's about the war between the Didact and Forthencho ...

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the war might be 1000y but the siege is 3 years. It has been said in every real sources (ie not what Haruspis have written)

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Again, don't really matter what make sense to us. It's only what's written that matters. Nothing else

unique rune
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Real sources being what? The timeframes that Mythos and the 2022 Encyclopedia present do not make sense against the source material that they are referencing

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I’d argue Mythos is also somewhat self-contradictory in this regard, because it suggests the Siege of Charum Hakkor may have lasted indefinitely if not for the Ancestors’ betrayal by the San ‘Shyuum, which seems incongruent with the notion that the Siege only lasted for 3 years.

abstract wren
abstract wren
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Ency2 said it and Primordium too

unique rune
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And then one more thing. If Cryptum says the Battle of Charum Hakkor lasted 50 years, why would Primordium, its direct sequel, written by the same exact author, immediately contradict it?

abstract wren
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It's not the only contradiction inside the Forerunner Trilogy

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Again : there is no need for "Why" it is, that's it

unique rune
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What

abstract wren
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it is to 343/GB1 or Haruspis to tell what is the canon version.

unique rune
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…And Haruspis wrote that 53 years is the canonical timespan. As suggested in Cryptum. As suggested in Primordium.

abstract wren
unique rune
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Whatever Mythos and the ‘22 Encyclopedia are on about is incongruent with the actual source material and I suspect they’re a result of some typo or other error.

abstract wren
unique rune
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Why do they take precedence?

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They’re summary/reference books, not primary source material

abstract wren
abstract wren
unique rune
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I give up, this conversation has been a massive waste of my time and brain cells

abstract wren
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They might even be better primary source

unique rune
steel stone
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Just something that I noticed playing Halo Infinite again and how odd it was seeing them.

unique rune
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They're just different ranks of Hunters, nothing more complicated than that

steel stone
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Like the shiney gold hunters? those ones are my favourite is that suppose to be a Zealot Hunter??? like Elite Zealots?

severe relic
steel stone
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Imagine the CE Gold Sword Elites being covered and helped by golden veteran hunters. Id love to see how that would play

severe relic
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They’re called Flak Hunters

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It’s a nickname because there’s no actual name name for them

steel stone
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flak??? why? thats lame as hell XD

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Well if thats the name I wont argue with that

severe relic
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It’s like a heavy fire type of thing

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Like a flak gun is usually something used against aircraft so it’s powerful and hits hard

steel stone
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I guess flak fits but my head canon will always call them zealot hunters

severe relic
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Also there are different types of hunters in Infinite

steel stone
steel stone
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I will say the colour red looks so good on the covenant hunters it has a cool shine and darker colours around it

severe relic
steel stone
severe relic
steel stone
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That opens the doors for so many Banished enemies to see in the future

unique rune
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If only the Banished had been more coherently written…

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Y’know, come to think of it, what exactly was stopping the Enduring Conviction from just like, completely obliterating the Spirit of Fire?
Aside from the obvious Super Plot Armor.

Did HW2’s campaign ever touch on that? Been a while since I last went through it.

abstract wren
last anchor
severe relic
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He knew he could kill them if he wanted to. We saw how he played with Red Team. He had no idea they’d pull their sentinel stunt

topaz spindle
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Anyone know about the OSA Battleship?

unique rune
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Increasingly feels like huge chunks about the Banished have been written by different authors/writers that just aren’t really communicating or entirely sure what to do with them.

steel stone
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Infinity getting wrecked so fast and easily, that didnt make sense to me. To be fair I didnt care about Infinity but it should put up a bigger fight I believe

unique rune
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I just don’t understand what parts of Atriox we’re supposed to take seriously. Like, is he actually some kind of master tactician or negotiator? Because HW2 sure doesn’t support it. Just makes him look like a self-aggrandizing idiot with his failure to sink the Spirit of Fire. Like, the Phoenix-class isn’t even a proper warship, she’s just a hastily refitted colonization vessel. And somehow Atriox’s forces at the Ark couldn’t destroy it even with a fully loaded Syfon-pattern CAS-class assault carrier?

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And then there’s the bits about him being all for individuals fighting for themselves and whatever else, but then he’s also just… totally okay with the fact that the Banished keep some Unggoy colonies around for the sole purpose of making disposable cannon fodder?

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I just don’t get it.

steel stone
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To me I think he is a master tactician and negotiator as that was shown in the comic and the Halo Wars 2s cutscene.

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He should of been to me the main antagonist of Halo Infinites Campaign that manged to get Spartans to join the Banished and that would of turned things to insane. We should of seen alot of heavy impactful moments but hate to say felt laid back.

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I think they could of done much more but yet again for ever Halo campaign they removed a ____ load of stuff

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What is a crashed Guardian in the background? so many questions and most important where can I find the sacred sandwhich on the ring?

unique rune
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There’s a giant sandwich hidden inside a cave if you look hard enough

steel stone
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But anyway that was my thoughts on the Banished and Atriox, makes we want to know more but left me with very little

stable flower
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I can barely take the Banished seriously in Infinite. They treat Atriox like a god, despite being irreligious. The Banished seem to change from one ideal to another in every bit of media that features them.

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And don't get me started on the anti-human thing they have going on, which makes even less sense now, seeing as The Rubicon Protocol shows they have a human in charge of a prison or something.

last anchor
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The anti-human thing probably varies between pack to pack.

severe relic
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As I’ve said the Banished are not on large group. They’re multiple smaller groups that form into a larger organization. That’s what Atriox wanted to form

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If you haven’t already you should read the Rise of Atriox comic

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I think Atriox is intentionally sidelined in Infinite to build up for his return. He literally beat Chief incredibly quickly and chucked him away. He has a bigger plan in motion and we see that in the end with Atriox trying to release the Endless. He knows the Banished aren’t a full and proper serious threat without one leader and even with his forces still always fall short so he’s seeking more. People are very quick to dismiss Atriox for not doing much but I think that heavily downplays the fact he literally outmaneuvered both the Covenant AND the UNSC

severe relic
severe relic
unique rune
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I think that heavily downplays the fact he literally outmaneuvered both the Covenant AND the UNSC
I feel like the problem there is that we're never really shown that, though.
It's only really happened maybe, what, once in The Rise of Atriox? Kind of in Infinite?

But beyond that it's really just something we're told that he did.

Like in Infinite and surrounding media never really hint at how he organized the Banished to pull it off, it's just supposed to be assumed that somehow he just... did it.

And HW2 does him no favors as he's played up as some big new untouchable threat while his organization and strategies constantly get dunked on by "just one old ship."

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Like compared to someone like Capt. Jacob Keyes, we know he's supposed to be a brilliant naval tactician because media actually gives us concrete and relatively consistent depictions of what he can do, like the Keyes Loop.

But Atriox and the Banished don't ever seem to quite get that, and their major depictions end up at odds with each other in weird ways, even within the same piece of media.

severe relic
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Well I mean books like the Rubicon Protocol and Shadows of Reach show how effective an organized Banished is against even the best Spartans

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HW2 is literally just he didn’t factor in that the sentinels, which didn’t do anything to him for months, would destroy his ship. That also wasn’t him that was Let ‘Volir

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I won’t deny the stupid heavy plot armour that the Spirit of Fire had but I also am not one who sees Atriox as not a serious threat

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Infinite’s story isn’t over I think that’s why we haven’t seen Atriox’s potential

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They’re saving it

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Have you read Shadows of Reach and Divine Wind?

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It kinda helps explain why the banished is all over the place and never consistent

unique rune
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I've read Shadows of Reach. And like I get why they've got a lot of various internal conflicts and contradictions, I know they're pretty much a loosely associated band of different smaller organizations.

I just feel like even with that explanation a lot of stuff is just difficult to reconcile about the Banished.

severe relic
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They definitely need way more explanation asap because people are starting to get a little annoyed

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But also we need so many answers people are already mad

stable flower
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It's starting to get as laughable as Cortana's nanomuhchines

severe relic
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To be fair they tried something new because they were met with such backlash over 4 and 5 but then when they did this they got backlash

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I always get confused when people ask why Infinite wasn’t about the in between of Genesis and Zeta Halo. I don’t think they know they spent the whole time running

abstract wren
abstract wren
# severe relic To be fair they tried something new because they were met with such backlash ove...

Infinite is the opposite of new.
Infinite is not Halo 6 it's Halo 7. 343 wraps up their main plot in 2 second just to make a "spiritual reboot". The fact that we don't play against the main villain that was construct in both first games is the worst... And a campaign of it and run would maybe be fun to play. There is not even books to fill the gap between 5 and Infinite (Shadows of Reach is not enough)

last anchor
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Hopefully Outcasts will help with that. Maybe even Epitaph

abstract wren
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not really sure. Maybe... be we'll never get the end of Cortana's arc

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Not a proper closure I mean.

last anchor
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Maybe.
Maybe we'll get lucky, and Infinte's DLC will show us things arent what they seem.
Who knows.

stable flower
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IDK who to blame for that: the over-demanding fans or 343.

golden pulsar
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That would be a horrible idea but funny thought

severe relic
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Actually 4 sorry I miscounted

severe relic
primal lichen
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Are Doisac homeworld of Brutes really just... poof, gone reduced atoms like that.?

severe relic
unique rune
golden pulsar
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Ya

last anchor
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Minable, apparently

stable flower
severe relic
# stable flower You can't win with them.

Nope. People always complain and complain. I’m just looking at the positives for the story of infinite because it does me no good to be upset. They’ll answer my questions in time

bold kiln
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Master Chief/Lore question. My friend and I were playing infinite yesterday right, it was his first title after halo 1 in like a decade. I played all of the titles (as one should). So I was watching him playing the first mission after getting into the open world. He has to go fight the jailward elite, above the elevator right, and instead of just going into the elevator after killing those few covenants at the entrance, this guy decides to search for every single little grunt. He wasted like more than 20 minutes finding every single one of them (he is playing on easy) so we discussed and he is pretty sure that master Chief is such a badass that it's only lore accurate if he searched for every single enemy in the area. Well yes he is such a badass, but that's exactly why he is just getting the mission done as always. He gets in there, kills, gets the objective and gets out. My friend is more tactical and real life oriented in case you haven't noticed.

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So what would master Chief do, what's lore accurate. Getting the mission done as fast as possible. Or Killing every Enemy, even those that he can't see or aren't bothering him in any way.

gilded mason
last anchor
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Spartans as a whole are focused on efficency, speed, and preserving themselves and their teammates for future missions.
They aren't rampaging berserkers who slaughter without hesitation.

primal lichen
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Watching the intro of Blue Team in Halo 5, I believed S-II focused on get the job done quickly and clean as possible.

abstract wren
severe relic
abstract wren
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They lead somewhere that, in the end, doesn't end somewhere

severe relic
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They literally tell us it’s incredibly hard to fight back against cortana

abstract wren
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It's good, but not enough

severe relic
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Why would they focus on explaining the conflict when most fans responded with negativity towards the story and the direction it took?

abstract wren
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Bad Blood for example lead absolutly nowhere... (for now)

severe relic
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Well that’s because Bad Blood was just supposed to focus on Alpha-Nine not really build on the Created conflict

abstract wren
severe relic
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They don’t NEED to follow but if they want support feedback is what you listen to. That’s a basic marketing strategy

abstract wren
severe relic
abstract wren
abstract wren
# severe relic It wasn’t its primary focus

It was where it leaded to. But in the end : Cortana just killed herself without action from John, which would have been what make sense in order to continue his storyline of humanization

severe relic
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She killed herself for him which is the same action she took in Halo 4. It was just a cycle

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There were still big issues caused by the Created Conflict. The UEG, UNSC and ONI all got wiped out in one go pretty much

abstract wren
severe relic
abstract wren
severe relic
abstract wren
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Ency22 said she had "remorse" but that she was "cornered by this new threat". Not the same

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(p. 89)

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it's maybe both, not just "for John"

severe relic
abstract wren
severe relic
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I literally said humanity

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Also it doesn’t state anywhere it was for a selfish reason that’s an interpretation you have not a canonical fact

abstract wren
abstract wren
severe relic
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I agree cortana was killed off very suddenly but I also don’t think having multiple different forms of media covering that conflict would’ve been overly interesting. For the most part people couldn’t do a thing

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Anyone can correct me if I’m wrong but I believe the only people prior to Zeta Halo who defeated their Guardian were the people on Onyx

abstract wren
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Yes, I think so.

abstract wren
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Just to please "fans" and disavow their own games... anyway. Here we are

severe relic
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It was very rushed and unfortunately probably the result of heavy criticism. In the end I do prefer the banished over the created

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Their disturbing brutality in Rubicon Protocol needs to be showcased more in the future of infinite

abstract wren
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You mean that just need to see Banished and not Red Covenant 🥲

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We'll see if we can get them after all

severe relic
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Infinite does really make the banished feel like a Red Covenant

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I did love Escharum and Jega ‘Rdomnai but it didn’t feel the same as it did in Divine Wind, Shadows of Reach, Rise of Atriox etc.

abstract wren
severe relic
abstract wren
fair hazel
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😦

gilded mason
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Oh my god

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That's so awful

dense falcon
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Oh Jesus

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What happened in between this and the other book's pause?

gilded mason
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What happened in between this and the other book's pause?
Hm?

dense falcon
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I'm an idiot, I mistook him for Troy

unique rune
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Dang, had no idea this had happened to him.

And I had only just a day ago placed a hold request for the Forerunner Trilogy at my local library system.

last anchor
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Good authors get old, sadly...

craggy sierra
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Only 71 though, darn

hearty iron
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Damn, rest in peace Greg Bear

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Apologies for changing the subject, but I had a quick lore question I wanted to ask and couldn’t find a definitive answer on Halopedia. I was re-reading Halo: The Fall of Reach and something I always wondered about the prologue were the designations of Blue Team in that section. Obviously the designations are kept vague to avoid spoiling the rest of the book where you would learn about the members of Blue Team, but it’s never made clear after reading through the book which Spartan is which. The only confirmed Blue Team members to have fought during that battle (The Battle of Jericho-VII) are John-117 (referred to during this section as Blue-One), and Kelly-087 (referred to as Blue-Two). That leaves Blues Three, Four, and Five. Linda 058 is confirmed to have been present at this battle but her designation isn’t given. Fred isn’t confirmed to have been there or not, so he’s a maybe. I’m not sure who the last one could be, because Kurt had already been abducted for the creation of the Spartan III program. Perhaps Solomon or Arthur, seeing as they were part of Blue Team in 2544.

If this has already been confirmed and I just missed something or if somebody has already asked the question and I overlooked it, let me know.

keen moss
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I’m going to glass tomato town

last anchor
hearty iron
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I’m just going to assume it’s Linda, Fred, and Solomon because that’s more fun

last anchor
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I doubt we'll ever get a solid answer, so headcanon as you wish to your hearts content, I doubt anyone will complain

lone plover
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do unsc have planet busting method?

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or they simply just throw loads of nukes?

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cause if the covie can glass planet...we need something that can do similar

gilded mason
# lone plover do unsc have planet busting method?

Kind of. They had a couple NOVA bombs that can completely obliterate a planet, but only a few were made as far as we know, and they're really, really dumb and shouldn't have existed in the first place.

lone plover
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actually why dont we just load mac round with nuclear war heads? that way we can shoot faster without needing to charge up for ages

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since all the energy is on the round it self all you need is velocity to reach the enemy ships

gilded mason
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They do fire nukes at Covenant ships

lone plover
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but missile were ineffective right?

gilded mason
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Usually

lone plover
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then why not nuclear cannon?

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or just mac with nukes

gilded mason
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Nukes can reach Covenant ships, the main issue is getting their shields down first

lone plover
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but dont several nukes be capable of taking down the shields?

gilded mason
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No idea, probably

lone plover
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iirc the each mac round were like 50 megaton then 3 nukes should be enough

last anchor
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Depends on the nuke

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Most warheads were converted to x-ray pumped spears later in the war

lone plover
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x-ray pumped spears?

last anchor
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Thats what the Encyclpedia and Warfleet say

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X-Rays are just a form of energy after all

lone plover
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no i mean what are pumped spears

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spear missiles?

last anchor
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A missile using a nuclear warhead to create a focused stream of x-rays to burn through Covenant shields and armor

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Literally an energy "spear" to pierce it

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Like a shaped charge in space

lone plover
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oh...that

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speaking of which can the covenant point defense system defeat cannon rounds?

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including auto cannons

last anchor
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No, but nothing like that will get close.
Also, UNSC ships dont use auto cannons.

lone plover
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why??!??!?!?!

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why not?!

last anchor
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Because auto cannons are 20th century technology and they have magnetic acceleration technology

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Literally everything they use in space is some kind of coil or railgun

lone plover
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then they have auto gauss right?

last anchor
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...I dont think your understanding the point of "auto" in the name, mate

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Seriously just go look at Halopedia. Most of your questions thus far have been about 10 seconds of searching away

lone plover
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ok

restive sigil
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Guys, so the spartan academy in Infinite is a legit place. Do we know when it is in regards to the campaign?

obsidian thistle
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The Tutorial happens during/after Zeta Halo went missing.

Thats about it for now.

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Season 2 happens after the Tutorial. But is unclear when it happens in relation to the main events in Halo Infinites campaign.

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@restive sigil

restive sigil
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Thanks sir

obsidian thistle
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We may get more info later via intel and so on. 🙂 So hold steady and hopefully info will get out there!

restive sigil
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Sure thing, but I keep my expectations low

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Expecting a Jun cameo tho

last anchor
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He showed up in the Intel drops. Hes apparently off-world and still active

drowsy mesa
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Yeah, and also Haruspis teased more Jun appearances in those Intel drops

native coral
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RIP Greg Bear 😦

lone plover
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why did the unsc adopt the sidekick pistol?

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or the 10mm sap

unique rune
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If it’s not listed somewhere on Halopedia then there probably isn’t an answer anyone can give you outside of “it shoots the bad guys good”