#lore-and-universe

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royal whale
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Was wondering more on the today part he mentioned

last anchor
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Thats the "perhaps" part.

royal whale
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But yes, says the country that uses flamethrowers chiefsmirkle

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I might like to delete that.....

fair hazel
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The thing about innies and unsc is that. They both have things to them. Insurrectionists aren’t all the same. There’s various mentalities and ideologies as well as methods. And the unsc has some points but not everything. They also do things and sweep bad stuff under the rug

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That was worded crudely I think

royal whale
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Ye it was

drowsy mesa
stable flower
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Some innies are chaotically evil, while others are neutrally evil. A few are chaotically neutral.

hazy shadow
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Ah great, now the innie lovers are gonna come out of the woodworks.

terse lava
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Doesn't appear so

lavish garnet
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Probably been asked a million times guys, but I can’t seem to find the original source. The Rookie is named John Doherty (John Doe) right? But I am sure I read Noble 6’ name but cannot remember it. And what are the sources for these if true?

gilded mason
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And we do not know Noble Six's name

lavish garnet
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Ok, maybe I read something suggesting it or just straight made up.

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It thanks, that helps a lot

gilded mason
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👍

heady geyser
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Whatever happened to auntie dot

stable flower
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I ask the same about Holland

terse lava
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Dot was mentioned in the encyclopedia as likely perishing, as the servers she resided in wouldnt survive the attack

golden shard
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Clap it up 👏

versed helm
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will there be new update in the fifth Game?

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@versed helmis a big Fan

heady geyser
versed helm
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hello

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I have finished all of the games:)

gusty star
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Time for the books

last anchor
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The grind never ends

fast finch
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guys do we know more about the escaped combat form from the mp map lockout?

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asking cause Im not sure if it could have been related to the delta halo outbreak

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well I assume a combat form escaped, could be any flood form really i guess

last anchor
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The breakout on Delta was caused by a compromise jn Cold Storage rather than Lockout

royal whale
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Ngl Im a bit confused with the thousands year war between the sentinels and the flood on delta halo

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How could it last that long considering there isn't much for the flood to hold onto

astral crypt
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Quick question, have any of the most recent books talked about what’s going on with the Spirit of Fire and Anders being intercepted by the Guardian while she was in slipspace? I’m almost done with Halo: Point of Light.

gusty steeple
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Idk

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What’s halo point about

last anchor
last anchor
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We do see the Spirit again though.

fair hazel
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I want a life worker huragok to find Murphy 😦

visual orbit
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Murphy...

tranquil cairn
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woot we now know what the spartan assault machine pistols are.

stable flower
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The Spirit's fight with the Banished will be endless

heady geyser
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I believe the Spirit of Fire is still at the ark fighting the banished

marsh birch
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So I have a few questions

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In Halo CE the Pillar of Autumn is chased all the way to I04 location but in Halo 2 we see that the planet nearby was harvested for resources by the covenant.

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Wouldn't the covenant be the ones to make first contact with guilty spark?

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and have the Halo fortified as a sacred Covenant world or have killed themselves through the flood?

unique rune
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Err, no?
The Covenant hadn't encountered a Halo ring until 04.

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Never even came within the Soell System for that matter.

marsh birch
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But 343 floats to the planet that is even seen in CE skybox

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Which sets the Arbiter story line in H2

unique rune
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He goes to Threshold, yeah. The Covenant only sent artifact retrieval teams like 'Refumee's when they entered the system in 2552.

terse lava
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@marsh birch A covenant relic recovery team was sent to thr gas mine to secure it. As for first contact, it's possible Spark made contact with the Covenant, and they were able to bluff their way

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We have seen before in a comic that the monitor of a Line Installation was impressed enough with a covenant officer's very basic idea of how a halo operates(was preaching that a nearby spartan couldn't be killed until she was enlightened in the Great Journey) so id say its equally possible

marsh birch
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"a nearby spartan couldn't be killed until she was enlightened in the Great Journey" - Okay that sounds metal which comic is that?

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Anyways, for sake of continuity I could think that the crew in the gas planet was sent after the destruction of I04 and 343i took that long to reach the station, that's plausible.

terse lava
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They were sent before Halo was destroyed

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As for the comic, Halo: Blood line

marsh birch
unique rune
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The Covenant didn't reach the ring until after the Fall of Reach

terse lava
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@marsh birch they arrived before the POA, they already had recovered multiple relics, done several scans, and had a sizeable ground force before the human ship even entered system

marsh birch
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So why were there flood in the gas planet? Going by the games the Forerunner had specimens littered just anywhere.

unique rune
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Flood were kept on the Threshold gas mine for preservation and testing, like they were at any Forerunner installation repurposed for it

terse lava
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The gas mine was refitted into a research facility during the Forerunners Flood war. Spark mentions in halo 2 he personally oversaw it

marsh birch
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That's irresponsible but I believe it, so anyways how did the flood infected High Charity reached the ark?

unique rune
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Flood-Precursor slipspace magicks

terse lava
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The gravemind used Precursor knowledge to have it jump firs to Mars, than the ark

marsh birch
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Cortana said High Chairty was in route to earth so I assumed they also used the portal.

terse lava
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That was always a plot hole, as the portal is far, for too small

unique rune
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Ngl I think the bigger plot hole was always that without the funny Precursor slipspace jumps the implication was that it travelled to the Voi portal and left Earth completely untouched

marsh birch
terse lava
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That too, I always figure, I guess as most did, the gravemind thought a single ship was enough, with everything else commited to the ark

marsh birch
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Gravemind immediately prioritizing the ark makes sense since the prophets were bent on activating them anyways.

terse lava
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Had Bungie the proper time there never would have been a halo 3. Everything was originally planned to be wrapped up in halo 2

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Halo 3 is one big cut h2 content

marsh birch
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Okay all makes sense now, thank you for your time amigos.

terse lava
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Welcome

royal whale
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What sound does a grunt make

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Elites have wort
Jackals that hiss
Brutes monke noises
Drones buzz
Hunters like a cow with a plastic bag in its head

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But grunts?

terse lava
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Dog-like barks according to the books, and we hear them untranslated in Reach

sharp silo
royal whale
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grunts

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It's in the hecking name thinkingchief

terse lava
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That's a reference to their status as lowly troops, not a noise

royal whale
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Yeah I know that one, but I just realized after you mentioned the bark noise how barks are kinda similar to a grunt

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I guess?

terse lava
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Eh wouldn't think so

fast finch
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So I was checking the battle of reach timeline and noticed a pretty sloppy mistake in the books

In the Fall of Reach, Chapter 36's beginning is set at around 0616, and this is said:

“Pelican One on target to dock with station Gamma,” Lieutenant Hall reported. “Pelican Two initiating descent burn. They are five by five to land just outside FLEET HQ—”
Later in that same chapter, the PoA receives this transmission:
Static hissed from the channel. A man’s voice broke through. “—bad. Reactor complex seven has been compromised. We’re falling back. Might be able to save number three. Set off those charges now!” There was a series of explosions … more white noise, then the man returned. “Be advised Pillar of Autumn, groundside reactors are being taken. Orbital guns at risk. Nothing we can do. Too many. We will have to use the nukes—” Static washed away the transmission.

In the next chapter we are shown the end of Chief's mission at Gamma Station, which the book places at around 0637. In that same chapter, Red Team's transmission has already been received. So either the transmission was sent before 0637 or at 0637.

Then we are told that the PoA left the Reach system at around 0647 hours.

But this is where issues start, in First Strike we are shown that at 0631 Red Team's pelican is shot down. And at 0649 the Spartans started setting up the defense of the Generator Facility A-331.
At around 0711 First Strike has Beta Red's transmission sent to the PoA:

Static hissed over the channel, and several voices overlapped. He heard one of his Spartans—he couldn’t tell who—break through the static. “Reactor complex seven has been compromised. We’re falling back. Might be able to save number three.” There was a pause as the speaker shouted orders to someone else: “Set off those charges now!” Fred switched to FLEETCOM and broadcast: “Be advised, Pillar of Autumn, groundside reactors are being taken. Orbital guns at risk. Too many. We’ll have to use the nukes.

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First Strike's dates make more sense though

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Interesting how the reprint of FoR didnt seem to fix this issue

last anchor
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Not the first one to be missed

hazy shadow
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First Strike also starts implementing time dilation due to Forerunner crystals, so there was actually some of that timeline shift implemented purposefully.

royal whale
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Does the Covenant or the UNSC follow a particular doctrine for waging war and so what's it called?

fast finch
fast finch
hearty pine
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Did they not say in first strike that when they went into slipspace with that crystal that's what caused the time dilation but I'm pretty sure Dr Halsey explains that it was some special slipspace crystal

hazy shadow
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Exactly.

versed helm
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In tip of the spear at the start of the level, what is the big orange beam directly south?

royal whale
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The sun?

tardy patrol
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Someone wanna play halo Infinite on eu servers

royal whale
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Now explain the lore behind the eu servers

versed helm
latent mason
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ok so i am curious about the beginning of reach, if noble team is sent to reach to investigate the visegrad relay why would the running theory be that its the work of insurrectionists, i thought that the insurrectionists and unsc would have had a truce by then because of the human covenant war?

last anchor
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Not officially. And there were a LOT of Innie groups

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Blue Team stole nukes from one on Victoria

latent mason
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so the unsc were still fighting both insurrectionists and covenant?

stable flower
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Yeah

versed helm
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Someone explain to me in dms the propaganda of the unsc supposedly in halo 2

last anchor
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There isn’t any

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That’s it

latent crypt
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I think noble 6 is still alive

obsidian thistle
latent crypt
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Lmao your sources get retconned all the time

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Are you unironically saying 343i can keep a coherent narrative? Dude, we’ve had 4 new factions added in as many games and all but one of them get killed off between games.

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Noble 6 is in the cards. Might be at the bottom of the deck, but certainly playable by the story jokesters at 343

obsidian thistle
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I'd respectfully disagree as in my experience 343i tend to dislike retconning stuff. 🙂

(Plus this isnt just 1 source, numerous say N6 is KIA, dead, so on. Its one of the most locked down things in the fiction)

craggy sierra
# latent crypt Lmao your sources get retconned all the time

Beyond the developer statements this has also been cannonized in stories with Jun commenting on how 6 was a good man in the books.

Also like...Noble 6 doesn't have a personality at all to be worth bringing back and it's not hard to make a new borderline mute in a set of armor.

unique rune
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Halo fans stop trying to undermine Reach’s (already poor) storytelling challenge

craggy sierra
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Yeah that's the thing. Noble 6 is an entity you can't really do much with.
You develop/give them a character and then they're not Noble 6 anymore.
You bring them back and don't change them you just get asked why you felt the need to make a retcon when you could have literally just created a new blank slate for that role.

gilded mason
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But Waffle.

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He's....he's...||hyper-lethal||

craggy sierra
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Totally unrelated but kinda funny. Splatoon 3 brings back the Splatoon 1 player character in the story and keeps them a silent character even though you're not playing as them.

They just sit around looking bored and when you try to talk to them other characters say they're not social and talk when you're not around.

I think that's the one way I'd accept noble 6 coming back cause it'd be really funny.

At the end of the game the characters say that the splatoon 1 character is going to give you a compliment and it's just the generic "booyah" text prompt other players say to eachother in PvP. The equivalent would be if Noble 6 just started t-bagging towards the player as a sign of approval.

gilded mason
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lmao

obsidian thistle
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Now what I wouldnt mind is pre-Reach appearances or mentions of B312

fast finch
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so guys I was wondering, is there an in universe reason as to why the Silent Shadow werent seen in Halo 2, especially on missions such as the one against the heretics or even helping retrieve the sacred icon

royal whale
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Wasn't it supposed to be like a suicide mission?

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Hence why they sent Arbiter

craggy sierra
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My take on that is that I'm mostly ambivalent to war time stories at this point now. Like the ending of that conflict is written so I don't see much value in going back and just shoving more stories into that scenario.

Considering how the war is described the most you'd get out of going back to that era is repeating the plot of Reach but on different planets.

Personally I view the 27 years of war to be like the 7 hour war from Half-life. It's a tone setter for the universe, a conflict that by its description describes several details about the conflict in your head. It's not meant to be an open invite to make prequels.

gilded mason
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Agreed, yeah

fast finch
# royal whale Hence why they sent Arbiter

I guess that could apply to the missions on the heretics, but Im not sure if that explanation would apply to the retrieval of the index, something of such religious importance would have merited the deployment of the silent shadow imo

craggy sierra
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I'm pretty sure the Silent Shadow is an assasination squad, not a "fight the flood en masse" squad

royal whale
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Well if you think about it Arby and Rtas vaduum are one of the few that has experience with the flood

fast finch
craggy sierra
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Was R'tas spec ops?

fast finch
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He was their commander

royal whale
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Didn't the covies only find it out later on that the humans are after the icon? iirc Arby was supposed to do some hostage extraction on the prophet of regret instead but Chief beat them to it

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idk my memory is faulty since I also remember a cutscene where the elites are dishonoured by the prophets themselves

gilded mason
last anchor
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I thought the phantoms turned around when Chief killed Regret specifically.

gilded mason
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Nah, even beforehand, according to Broken Circle

stable flower
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Makes sense as you can't even see them.

royal whale
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Did the rainforest wars take place in ricefields?

pale imp
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Any opinion polls done on this discord on halo infinite - lore wise? Do people enjoy it? do they not?

craggy sierra
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I think it's kind of a narrative trainwreck if that helps

gaunt viper
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But can 117 beat goku

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Serious answers only lol

last anchor
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You wont be getting it because DBZ runs on 80s anime logic and therefor has no connection to reality

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That being said, while 117 isnt a viable competitor, 1337 certainly is and I honestly think he could handle Goku

hearty pine
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Hey guys how long do you think a Spartan II or III would last in the backrooms without a way to communicate with the unsc

last anchor
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The backrooms would wish the Spartan would leave and do their very best to get them out.
A Spartan with no command and control is a demigod loosed upon sheep with no way to stop it

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Thats...basically what Chief was doing during the start of Halo 4 until Infinity arrived three missions in more or less.

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And also through most of Halo Infinite for that matter

hazy shadow
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Pretty much. You don't take out the squad leader because then it means the grunts are free to do whatever they want. And you don't want that.

gilded mason
last anchor
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Spartans operate just fine with no oversight

gilded mason
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That wasn't what I was talkin' about lmao

fair hazel
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id sitll like to see a spartan unleashed on the star war empire

near tide
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Oops sorry for ping

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I’ve seen people downplay Spartans because they think of Spartans only in straight up combat and not strategic strikes

undone shale
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Not sure if this is the right place for this but does anyone know where the origin of narrative with the fanbase of: "Arbiter's contribution to the story was reduced in H2 to H3 due to fan backlash" comes from? I've been wondering about this for ages and i don't think anyone really knows that as a fact

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Kinda curious where this originates from

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Oh also, i know in the EU it's accepted lore from Contact harvest that Truth knows the real purpose of the Halo rings and both H2 and contact harvest are written by staten but why does he tell Tartarus to go take Miranda to activate the ring? Wouldn't that be the last thing he'd want to do knowing that the other rings would fire alongside Delta?

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Or was he just crazy at that point

fair hazel
fair hazel
undone shale
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That's not really evidence tho is my point

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You could imply that is, but that hardly makes it the most likely, i mean considering that H3 has two different writer compared to Staten writing both H1 and H2 wouldn't that be as likely?

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If you could point me at something like a dev or maybe some commentary just something offical that would indicate that would be great, i just feel like it's a case of the mandela effect here

fair hazel
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Or logical conclusions based on people's reactions, and final result.

undone shale
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Again wouldn't the fact they brought in two new writer be just as valid as a logical conclusion

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we already know whilst there was an outline for the og trilogy we've also been shown that the story beats have been subject to change (even the arbiter having different story beats in 2 as seen in storyboards)

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It just seems like people have overblown criticism of H2 (or conflated legit issues the game had due to it's rushed development to it's story) for this narrative

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Whoops sorry, message got deleted, not trying to be a jerk just trying to see if someone can point me in the right direction for where this narrative originates

last anchor
near tide
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I wonder where in his life John would have died if he wasn’t a protagonist

hazy shadow
# undone shale It just seems like people have overblown criticism of H2 (or conflated legit iss...

People only wanted to play Chief. A lot of nostalgia and fog of time has come into play, but at the time people were pissed that so much of the campaign was as the Arbiter and Bungie correctly pivoted to using him as the P2 character in H3 as a result. Finding official sources to back that up... Isn't a thing. Corporations barely admit they're wrong now and back then it just didn't happen at all.

It's the same thing with everyone claiming they want Elite player models. Actual players at the time were pissed at how they messed the multiplayer experience up and the only people who actually chose to play them were trolls and kids too young to know better. But nowadays you'd think based on what the community currently says that it's some crazy big deal that they've been missing.

gaunt viper
hazy shadow
hearty pine
undone shale
# hazy shadow People only wanted to play Chief. A lot of nostalgia and fog of time has come in...

I feel like tho to make that leap you have to ignore what I’ve said previously, again halo 3 stands as the only game of the og trilogy (not including odst) to have their lead writer replaced by two different writers who would definitely have their own visions (even halo’s original outline for the games were subject to change with cortana originally going rampant in CE and the arbiter discovering a human coffin in 2) were people annoyed with the arbiter? Yes but that’s hardly a consensus of 2 and also ignores there were gamebreaking issues (legendary mode and the mp’s change to gameplay or the bugs it had) as well the big pop of clans especially elite clans from 2 onwards.

Considering as well that both bungie and 343 have been more then willing to insist upon features that get fan backlash I find it odd they would compromise on this one issue whilst still expanding upon elite customisation. Again it just seems weird no one can pinpoint the origin of this fact nor can provide evidence besides suggesting it’s implicit of how H3 came out

hazy shadow
# undone shale I feel like tho to make that leap you have to ignore what I’ve said previously, ...

I think it's a mistake to think Staten didn't have a huge role in H3's story development. And H2's number of Arbiter missions was too high by almost everyone's estimation and we found out later it was because more of Chief's content got cut than Arby's (same happened with H5). You're going so far back with regards to the story outlines that there are a LOT of things that don't track, not just the particular beats you're sticking on.

Lack of evidence doesn't suggest a lack of cause or means. I'm sure if you dig deep enough into the archives you'll find some info in a Bungie TWAB or interview that will confirm a lot of what we're saying. It could also be that they use the excuse of "it was easier to do it this way since we were debuting 4 player coop for the first time" and that's fine even if it isn't the whole story. We're talking ancient history in gaming terms here.

hollow karma
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Hello

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What is going on?

undone shale
# hazy shadow I think it's a mistake to think Staten didn't have a huge role in H3's story dev...

It just seems like there’s no strong evidence either way tho man, I mean hell look at how truth the character is portrayed between the two games, it becomes a bit inconsistent and only due to what seems to be a change of writers (then again Truth himself makes no sense in 2 considering he orders Tartarus to activate the ring despite knowing it would be the end of them all, tho we only find out he knows this during contact harvest which was written by staten and released after halo 3, something of which it seems the writers of 3 had no clue on)

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The point I’m trying to make is that there seems to be no indication of this whole narratives origin and it’s just accepted at face value, you can claim that people’s love of arbiter and all that is rose tinted and fails to factor in backlash at the time but I can easily assert just as much that backlash was overblown considering again Bungie’s insistence in including and Expanding the elites in their games

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Look no further then halo infinite now, there are some people who demanded (really immaturely and as well super toxic) that 343 should be fired for infinite, does that mean when we look back on the game that we can assume that the majority of people hated infinite? To me personally I’d say no

heady geyser
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What’s going on my fellow lore people

undone shale
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Just discussing an issue I’ve run into when looking back at halo 3

terse lava
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@undone shale In the regards to Bungie still expanding customization for Sangheili while reducing the Arbiter's role in campaign, that was likely due to their original purpose of putting them in the first place. An invasion style game that kept getting left behind until it was given some reality in Reach.

undone shale
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I’m just saying it seems rather odd to make the assertion, if the fans hated the elite segments in the campaign why further promote it at all? Seems odd to compromise on one issue

obsidian thistle
quasi gull
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You know Wheatley from the hit game, and how he got into space by the hit portal gun and he has a blue eye (the hit colour) and guilty spark guiltyspark also has the hit colour, what if this is wheatley, a long time after the events of portal 2, some funny things found the hit thing and liked his hot charming voice, and upgraded him with their technology allowing him to fly and also making him have the big one

obsidian thistle
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Yea we know Sparks origin. 🙂 I recommend reading the Forerunner Saga.

versed helm
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I love halo

heady geyser
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Sparks origin was nice to read about

trim dagger
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just read fall of reach comic book and i got confused because cortana was with chief on reach even though noble team had cortana and gives it to keyes on the pillar of autmn where chief is in cyro sleep wtf im confused

trim dagger
versed helm
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Thanks 🤝

trim dagger
tawny heath
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Cortana did choose Noble 6 over cheif. But we know what happened there. So my question is. Was Noble 6 more deadly than Master Cheif? 6 was younger than him he was in late teens to early 20s and has accomplished so much already. Both of them are considered Hyper Lethal Vector.

hazy shadow
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... Y'all are all high. Cortana chose Chief from the beginning. Noble 6 was retconned into the story to sell copies of Halo: Reach, and any other explanation is copium.

visual orbit
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I've got a grunty thirst

fair hazel
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And all spartans are hyper lethal

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B312 simply delivered a fragment of cortana to the pillar of autumn, where the rest of Cortana was

heady geyser
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And the rest was history

last anchor
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Cortana chose Six to carry her fragment but that was it

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Presumably she ran the numbers and figured he was most likely to get her there intact

near tide
tawny heath
near tide
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Chief is stronger than six definitely

tawny heath
gilded mason
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Not only that, but that Hyper Lethal thing holds up to absolutely no scrutiny lmao

unique rune
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The hyper lethal thing was retconned later on because it's dumb marketing nonsense to begin with

tawny heath
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Noble 6 is the deadliest Spartan. Cheif is rated that by Oni.

unique rune
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Newer material applies it to all Spartans even if I would've preferred that it be retconned into nonexistence in the first place

gilded mason
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Yup

unique rune
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Ridiculous that we apparently needed a Certified Cool Guy tag even though the title of Spartan should've served that purpose to begin with

tawny heath
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Can't give that to newer Spartans that can't hold a candle to 6 and Cheif.

gilded mason
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...lol

tawny heath
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They all die to easy lol

unique rune
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As if Noble didn't

fair hazel
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Linda would easily wreck b312 and john anyways

tawny heath
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Noble 6 didn't die easy.

gilded mason
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He died like a baby. 😌

tawny heath
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They sent an armada to kill him. Lol

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Basically

unique rune
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More like they just happened to have an armada already on the planet

tawny heath
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And they focused on him at the end.

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All in I did post the halo reach trailer where Halsey introduced Noble team and said 6 and cheif only have those ratings. Now I will not go off of what 343 did. I'm going off of bungie. Lol

gilded mason
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She never said John had that rating

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And like, why John, anyway?

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He's noted most for his leadership skills, not killing abilites

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And he's only ever been part of a team before then

fair hazel
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Not all marketing stuff is accurate too

unique rune
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Imagine if it somehow turned out Bungie intended for that line to refer to like, Vinh or some other obscure basically-nobody Spartan instead

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I'd laugh so hard

tawny heath
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We know John is the deadliest Spartan.

gilded mason
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No, that's Linda

fair hazel
unique rune
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John is more or less the average as far as Spartans go, he only stands out because he was the only one present at the right time and the right place

tawny heath
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I'm googling and everyone says 6 is.

gilded mason
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lmao

unique rune
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I guess if by "everyone" you mean people who just go off marketing hype material with very little investment into actual canonical stuff that predates Halo Reach.

tawny heath
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They say she's strong but not the deadliest and samuel was stronger.

gilded mason
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Strength isn't everything. It's how you use your skills.

tawny heath
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And if 6 had Spartan 2 genes they say he would easily be the strongest Spartan to ever exist.

gilded mason
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lmao

tawny heath
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I'm going with my guy 6 man.

gilded mason
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Who's "they"?

unique rune
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Based on… things that are completely unsupported by official material?

tawny heath
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Ok send me some

last anchor
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Fall of Reach for one. Cheif himself says he’s not the best

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He’s just the leader

tawny heath
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That's not from 343 because I think they lost their way.

gilded mason
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lmao

last anchor
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And there it is!

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Was waiting for that

unique rune
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Literally no canon material has ever said B312 would be the strongest Spartan ever of all time if he had S-II genetic markers

tawny heath
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Yea 343 lost me because it seems to be all over the place that's my issue.

last anchor
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By relying on actual storytelling instead of ads for a decade old game?

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Actually what exactly is being argued here anyway

unique rune
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Same old “best Spartans are Six and Chief only because muh Hyper Lethal”

tawny heath
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I go off the game and where bungie ended. After that I tried to follow even with the games. They lost me.

last anchor
last anchor
last anchor
unique rune
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An argument that never dies, just like Spartans

last anchor
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So it would seem

tawny heath
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I miss how the games picked up right where each of them last left off. Even Halo 4 picked up right after 3. But 5 and infinite. Still lost on how infinity went down.

gilded mason
tawny heath
#

How the banished got them

last anchor
#

My dude there was a month long gap between CE and 2 and a half month one between 2 and 3. It’s not exactly right after

last anchor
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But really it’s just “they got JoJo’d”

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What you see in Infinites opening is what happened

unique rune
#

Infinite’s campaign spells it out pretty plainly

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Infinity went to 07 to do a thing, Banished ambush them, etc

tawny heath
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The banished was fighting the spirit of fire. What happened to them?

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That's what I'm talking about.

gilded mason
#

Check Shadows of Reach

unique rune
#

They’re still doing that

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The Banished are apparently a large enough organization to have considerable forces at both the Ark and Zeta Halo

last anchor
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And on Candon or wherever Breaker is

tawny heath
#

How did cheif escape Cortana

gilded mason
#

?

tawny heath
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After guardians she took blue team

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At the end of guardians

gilded mason
#

Locke freed him. We play that event in the game

unique rune
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Yeah, that's like, the last playable section of Halo 5.

last anchor
#

And then how they left is covered in Bad Blood

tawny heath
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Yea we did thinking about something else.

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No arbiter?

gilded mason
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Hm?

last anchor
#

Outcasts (upcoming)

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Also partially in Bad Blood

undone shale
#

Just curious is it ever explained why Truth ordered Tartarus to activate delta Halo if he knows the journey is a lie

sharp silo
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How do Elites drink and eat if they don´t have a lower mandible

flat kernel
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Straws.

stable flower
#

Not surprised they're gonna show Arby in a book.

drowsy mesa
drowsy mesa
drowsy mesa
undone shale
#

I guess but doesn't he know that the rings will fire in suit of delta automatically or that fact he's losing he's best asset tartarus?

undone shale
flat kernel
drowsy mesa
flat kernel
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I was just joking, “emergency induction port” is an excellent term.

visual orbit
craggy sierra
#

I mean you kinda can't remove him from the Kaidon armor

terse lava
#

Funny, I don't recall if it was ever said Thel modified his existing suit of armor, or crafted a new one. If the latter, I wonder if kept the original around somewhere

gilded mason
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Latter

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Also, 343 could always just give the Kaidon armor a new design, anyway. They ain't strangers to that kinda thing

last anchor
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Plenty of Sangheili Artisan-Armorers out there they say could make it

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Prophets Bane was reforged from an ancient sword and the blade that took Truths life

craggy sierra
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If it hasn't done it after Infinite for me yet, I think that would cement the series in my mind as being doomed to narrative stagnation if it was literally illegal for the passage of time and circumstances to be portrayed on characters.

terse lava
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Agreed I was simply not sure if he had modified his already existing armor to what we saw in comics/5, or if it had been a complete new set from the ground up

craggy sierra
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Probably a new set but like...keep it on a mannequin in a display case in the background or something if you want to have a nostalgia callback with it.

terse lava
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that's what I figure as well

latent crypt
craggy sierra
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I mean...Truth didn't know it was a lie

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It's kinda why he also tried activating the rings on himself again in H3

terse lava
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Yeah, he only assumed that Humans were left behind Forerunners, which would have invalidated the Covenant's belief that everyone who held faith, would be saved when the rings activated.

craggy sierra
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I mean if we're being perfectly honest. Halo 3 really dropped the ball on truth and I can buy the original intention in 2 was for him to have ulterior motive

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But we don't live in the timeline where 3 followed up properly

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Now the canon explanation is that Truth was always just completely off his rocker insane and was just apparently keeping it under wraps while making manipulative power plays well above what his cognitive function in Halo 3 should be capable of

terse lava
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@craggy sierra at least it can be excused in a sense. His goal of preseving the Covenant failed

warm seal
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How did chief survive 6 months in the suit in halo infinite, like wilaso said everything in their should be dead

flat kernel
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Canon explanation is “hibernation mode” of the armor.

fair hazel
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Spartans can go into this really low state energy in their gen 3. They can lay there for a looong time, their body will also slowly recover

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John wasn't the only spartan to suffer that fate

arctic thistle
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Quick question Bungie halo and 343s reclaimer saga halo are different universes along with infinite so in halo 3 master chief did die right?

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Or did he suffer the same fate as the beginning of halo 4 and is not dead.

boreal bane
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343's Halo campaigns (4, 5 and Infinite) are continuations of Bungie's stories, same universe

arctic thistle
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Given the different art styles and I'm likely wrong apologizes I thought they were based on order but not the same universe like the multiverse but with chief

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And I thought I saw it saying that somewhere

boreal bane
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No, they are the same universe

arctic thistle
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That's the main reason not the difference in art styles

boreal bane
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The Halo TV show is a different timeline - Silver timeline - that's maybe what you're thinking of

arctic thistle
#

Yeah maybe

last anchor
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Also, Odd One Out from Legends is non-canon to the main series
Other than that its all one continuous universe in the same way the new Disney stuff is for Star Wars.

arctic thistle
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Yeah

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All the halo games besides 1 use the mark six armor correct?

fair hazel
fair hazel
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At the point of halo 5 and infinite, it's not a which one is better but just another armour variant that exists and John seems to like it

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John has worn a lot of armours though

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The mark VI modified is based on a mark IV variant

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so is the infinite one

arctic thistle
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Yeah different generations the reason I asked was because master chief getting a different model of mark 5 armor from halo 3-4 dispite being on a derelict ship, I'd imagine it's possible a new armor prototype was stored on board waiting for him but then the war and everything broke out in halo 3

fair hazel
#

VI not V. And Cortana upgraded it while he was in cryosleep

arctic thistle
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Nano bots, id have to assume something like that there isn't much room to, expanded on the design

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But the blueprint then would have to be stored on board

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Because there are other spartans with the upgraded mark VI

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In the beginning cutscenes

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So it wasn't a custom built or designed armor by Cortana

last anchor
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It was

arctic thistle
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She didn't have access to the unsc database I mean like she couldn't communicate that far out in the galaxy with unsc forces so she couldn't upload blueprints from on off ship source before.

last anchor
#

She’s also a Smart AI based on Dr Halsey, who created both the Spartans and the MJLONIR system we know.

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Smart AIs are terrifyingly capable

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It’s why the Created were so dangerous

arctic thistle
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Yes it's possible but there were other spartans with that model

last anchor
#

Not really

arctic thistle
#

The cutscenes at the beginning of halo five that group of spartans

last anchor
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Thats GEN 2

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Different from what Cheif has

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In 5 he has MK VI GEN 2 which is similar to his armor from 4 but not the same

arctic thistle
#

If it was customized in cryo sleep then why did chief still have the dent or damage on his upper right chest plate

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If she could upgrade the suit from halo 3 to the model in halo 4 she could of repaired the armor

last anchor
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Prioritized repairs. It’s a cosmetic damage mark so it was left

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At least that’s the fan belief I’m not sure they ever addressed it

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It didn’t penetrate the armor so

arctic thistle
#

Hmm yeah but a dent could still probably mess with the structural integrity in some way

arctic thistle
#

From an out of lore standpoint it's really just a change in design to match the more gritty and industrial military aesthetic of the unsc

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Compared to the super advanced sleek armor from the bungi universe well actually I think halo reach takes the cake for gritty military combat

gilded mason
last anchor
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Then I have no clue

gilded mason
#

There’s no lore explanation for it

last anchor
#

The other option I heard was that canonically it wasn’t there till Chief hit requiem but like the Dawn shifting frigate models and there being a BR85 floating in space near her it’s one of those things they didn’t bother changing

gilded mason
#

Its simply a change in style that was given the nanobot reasoning after the fact as a not-quite-fitting bandaid

arctic thistle
#

Yeah,

fair hazel
fair hazel
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But the model does ressemble a mark IV

fair hazel
versed aurora
#

the definitive edition of TFoR worth it? I found it at 5 bucks on Amazon. And I wanted to know if it's worth it. Because I read the first edition. The 2001-2005 edition

fair hazel
#

For five bucks? Sure

#

it contains extra stories

versed aurora
fair hazel
#

It's worth it. It has a petra story too

warm ginkgo
#

What’s the reason for the Human-Covenant war?

hazy shadow
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Covenant found out Humans were picked to succeed the Forerunners, decided they really didn't like that, and chose to attempt extermination instead.

urban ridge
#

Didn’t it start with peaceful intentions on the covenants part?

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Then there was some miscommunication and the war started.

warm ginkgo
terse lava
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@urban ridge somewhat, the covenant delegation sent had two teams. One led by the uncle of Tartarus, who met with the human leadership, and a 2nd team secretly searching for a supposed forerunner orcale their ship claimed was in the area. A grunt who was part of that 2nd team panicked and killed a human soldier, starting a firefight.

sullen ridge
#

pretty much the first battle in the war

heavy ember
#

dies out of cringe

stable flower
#

So that Grunt started the war

raw nebula
#

in halo 3 its cute how the elites painted their phantoms green to show their alliance with humans

versed helm
#

If the noble team died... Where is JUN then?

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Is he still active?

pale zenith
versed helm
#

Spartans don't die they just dissapear from war.

trim dagger
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i think if goblin slayer and doom slayer were in halo they would also be spartans but i think goblin slayer wouldnt wanna kill aliens he just wanna kill goblins lol but doom slayer and master chief would be murdering aliens side by side

obsidian thistle
#

Hey so there was a new intel drop.

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Turns out Jun did survive Infinite

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Check it out if ya get time!

unique rune
#

Mmm, delicious AJAMS…

fair hazel
dense falcon
unique rune
#

It’s supposed to be Eklund, yeah.

fair hazel
#

Might have to tweet haruspis

last anchor
pale zenith
fair hazel
#

Our Spartans were weren’t they?

last anchor
#

As were all the ones aboard the pelican in the tutorial, yes

obsidian thistle
#

Its implied. But its possible they are from the other stations.

pale zenith
#

So most Spartans are repn wut core atm

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Ik the raksha core is used by a couple

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But that can’t be most right?

obsidian thistle
#

Depends on the scenario, what a Spartan can use, what is available, and what they like.

spiral jewel
#

Who in the Intel is EXTUSR? COSSPAR is obviously Spartan Jun.

dense falcon
#

Musa, maybe?

spiral jewel
#

Maybe?

pale zenith
#

Maybe?

obsidian thistle
#

Oh hey recent lore development. Jun was never at risk. Had to put together a few sources for this. But current sources have never put Jun on Laconia Station at all lol.

A THING I need to fix on Halopedia cause its kinda a mess thanks to a very easy to make misunderstanding of the AI Leonidas.

dense falcon
#

That's what I thought too!

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I don't think the name "Laconia Station" is ever mentioned in Bad Blood, is it?

obsidian thistle
#

I'll explain how the issue came about; and how the issue is fixed.

obsidian thistle
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But the issue is this. If you reasonably assume Leonidas was a normal AI. Then you have no reason to doubt that despite Leonidas getting destroyed in Bad Blood that he "somehow" remained in the Station. And that Infinite having Leonidas show up and eventually blow up Laconia Station. Would make Laconia and the Bad Blood Station one the same

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Well this is an issue as you'd need to explain the "somehow"

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BUT how the issue is fixed is this.

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  1. You need to know that there is 3 stations. Laconia, Naxos, and Virgo.

Source: The 2022 Encyclopedia.

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  1. Leonidas oversaw the network of said stations.
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Now using all that above as we know Leonidas was destroyed in Bad Blood. (2558) But was still alive on Laconia Station before its destruction. (2559)

Then we must know that copies either in a way we dont know or like Blackbox were used. That solves the "somehow" but changes everything.

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It means Alpha-9 saved either Naxos or Virgo. And with it Jun. By destroying the Leonidas copy in it

But Laconia and the remaining station was still compromised

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This also means there is still 1 copy of Leonidas in theory out there.

dense falcon
#

Based on Lopis's comment about fragmented AIs, it must be in pain

obsidian thistle
#

Unless its the original then it might be more held together (still not nice though)

pale zenith
potent totem
#

lore accurate grunt

near tide
obsidian thistle
heavy ember
#

cringe

last anchor
#

And now with Cortana gone, said Leonidus copy's probably on the movie.

#

Interesting

versed helm
#

Was noble 6 originally a female

gilded mason
#

Either a guy, or no assigned gender. I forget which.

versed helm
#

Alright

unique rune
#

Canonically considered male as of New Blood's publication

urban ridge
terse lava
#

@urban ridge All good, you are welcome

urban ridge
#

👍

honest stone
#

Does Stephen hawking have any ties to the prometheans?

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I noticed they are advanced thinkers

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A lot like Stephen hawking

last anchor
#

They stopped being on the galactic stages millenia before he was born and were active again 500 years after he died.
He was more or less religated to the dustbin of history by Shaw and Fujikawa anyway, with the translight engines math basically overtaking our understanding of physics, including black holes

obsidian thistle
#

Just to correct that, as its a long misconception that it was primarily a recent thing

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(Technically the "A Spartan Will Rise" trailer was first which was fully Bungie but people may debate the status of that)

versed helm
#

Emile Vs Master Chief
Who would win?

sharp silo
flat kernel
#

Yep.

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He just dipped with Halsey during halo reach, pretty much just gave up being a spartan (at least frontline fighting) and did some teaching.

versed helm
flat kernel
#

I played the halo reach campaign myself, and he is the only surviving member of noble team as he leaves with Halsey. I read it in the halo encyclopedia that he’s one of the leaders of the spartan iv program, teaching the all the new Spartans.

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Here, I can send a picture of the encyclopedia entry.

flat kernel
versed helm
flat kernel
#

Here, if you want I can send you a dm with the image.

versed helm
versed helm
flat kernel
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Emile is also a spartan 3, compared to chief being a spartan 2, so chief has Emile beat in physical stats. Also, Emile’s effectiveness really comes from his extreme hatred of the convent, his will to do whatever it takes to kill them, and chief isn’t an alien, so Emile might lack the the will to go as far as he possibly could. And of course, the most important point. Chief has plot armor, and Emile dies anyway. So I’m calling this one in favor of chief.

gilded mason
fringe orchid
#

Can anyone confirm this? I was recently told by someone that apparently the devs confirmed that the weapon is actually chiefs and Cortana daughter, and I've been trying to confirm whether or not it's true but the only thing I can find that's even related to this is a meme on the subject.

gilded mason
#

Chief and Cortana never had a daughter. They instead adopted a grunt together. Unfortunately, they don't have time to care for him and sent him off to boarding school where he gets into all manner of hijinks and tomfoolery.

fringe orchid
#

Wasnt expecting that as a response.

sharp silo
#

The Weapon is a copy of Cortana

"The only choice... was to make an exact copy." - Weapon
"Yes. If we two have never met." - Master Chief

fringe orchid
#

That's what I thought, I kinda think the guy didnt know what he was talking about, cause he also said that chief would die if he takes off his suit due to all of the augmentations and stuff he recieved

sharp silo
#

it´s dangerous for a spartan to take off his suit (the whole suit) in the field, but in a lab they can do that. UNSC has machines for this

fringe orchid
#

Well that's true but the way he described it is that if chief even so much as took his helmet off he would start to slowly die and that he needs to be on life support if he isnt wearing his suit

gilded mason
#

That line of logic really wouldn't be able to hold up to much scrutiny.

fringe orchid
#

I know right, cause in halo ce at the end while he escapes the ring he literally takes his helmet off and this happens in one or two other games as well if I'm correct

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Also, does anyone have any YouTube channel recommendations for diving deep into the lore, besides possibly HaloFollower

gilded mason
#

Yes, we literally see his armor being taken off in Halo 4's ending

gilded mason
fringe orchid
#

Ok, thanks.

obsidian thistle
gilded mason
#

👀

fair hazel
#

I did enjoy halo canon the most I do think

obsidian thistle
fair hazel
#

A lot of work load

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And it increases over time too everytime there's new material

versed helm
obsidian thistle
#

And community

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They ensure Halopedia isnt 1 year outta date while I do community outreach with other wikis aha!

obsidian thistle
#

Hey new book!

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Halo: Epitaph - source: Canon Fodder Live

stable flower
#

sigh

last anchor
#

We get the Didact baby

upper nacelle
#

Any book recommendations for starters on Halo lore?

last anchor
#

Fall of Reach is always a good choice

static glade
#

Any opinions of if ||Noble-Six survived or not?|| (Muted for potential spoilers)

gilded mason
#

It's a hard fact that he's been dead and gone for a decade, so...

static glade
#

Has it been confirmed anywhere?

gilded mason
#

Multiple times by the devs and media

static glade
#

Oh, im a idiot

pale zenith
pale zenith
last anchor
obsidian thistle
#

Halo Mythos is a pretty good way to see what you may like in the fiction.

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I dub that a great jumping off point that gives you sails to an ocean of many points of fiction

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https://www.halopedia.org/The_Original_Series

Halopedia
The Original Series

The Original Series is the retroactive name given to the original four Halo novels. It consists of Halo: The Fall of Reach (2001, Eric Nylund), Halo: The Flood (2003, William C. Dietz), Halo: First Strike (2003, Eric Nylund), and Halo: Ghosts of Onyx (2006, Eric Nylund).
The series covers the origins of SPARTAN-II program and SPARTAN-III program...

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The original series is my fav way to suggest getting into the novels though. Its essentially the framework the entire Halo series uses.

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And after that you can read any series and have a basic idea on stuff!

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Some alt routes are starting with "Halo: Evolutions" a short story collection that has a lil of everything in it. (Especially if you manage to get the Volume 1 and 2 versions)

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Or the 2022 Encyclopedia. Though that might be a lil hard to go though not understanding why a lotta it is cool or important! 🙂

upper nacelle
pale zenith
#

how many spartans served on SOF?

gilded mason
drowsy mesa
#

||Kolby dies, and Aiken survives, apparently arriving to Zeta Halo||

spice radish
#

What's a didact and why are the covenant saying that.

drowsy mesa
spice radish
#

Oooh

#

Can I kill it?

obsidian thistle
#

Dont like ||my future relatives dying|| twice in different timelines. XD

stable flower
gilded mason
#

(He didn’t die, by the way)

unique rune
#

"contained" within story purgatory because 343 is terrified of reaction to their own work

terse lava
#

until now, with the new book around him

#

curious how that will go

obsidian thistle
#

(And thats ignoring the "current" furthest his story has gone! Which is a picture in the Coloring book)

pale zenith
gilded mason
#

If he does have armor, it'd probably have to be new anyway, since his old armor got disintegrated.

pale zenith
#

True, jus hope it looks reclaimer era

#

For continuity and lore sake

#

I imagine 343 are tempted to full redesign

last anchor
#

This is assuming we see him in the flesh at all, the man kinda did get multicomposered

gilded mason
#

Yeah, I'm going under the assumption he'd bear some semblance to that concept art from way back when

last anchor
#

Glowing cane included hopefully.

terse lava
#

Would be kinda nice to finally see him get some redemption

heady geyser
#

Howdy my fellow lore people

#

What’s good in the halo universe

gilded mason
heady geyser
#

It would be nice to see the swords of sanghelios again in halo infinite

pale zenith
solid latch
solid latch
pale zenith
#

ok so has the M6-J ever been visualized?

long island
pale zenith
last anchor
stable flower
#

You know what needs to be canonized? The M73 LMG

versed helm
#

||MY MOM!|| ⬅️ dont click unless you have watched regular show

last anchor
#

Regular Show was, presumably, lost and buried alongside most 21st century media during the crush of time between now and the 2550s

craggy palm
#

The Xalanyn also known as Endless are they in the books(Forerunners saga)

gilded mason
#

No.

pale zenith
cosmic siren
#

hows my favorite lore channel doing?

verbal pollen
#

Does anyone know why jackals don't operate vehicles

visual orbit
#

They're better off as marksman/snipers due to their physique and senses

balmy mantle
#

Anyone have some good Halo book recommendations? I've read the kilo trilogy, the shadows of reach trilogy and most of the Bungie era books. There's newer stuff out there but I'm not sure where to pick up or what's relevant

fair hazel
gilded mason
balmy mantle
#

@gilded mason is that a trilogy too?

gilded mason
#

Nah, all separate books

balmy mantle
#

Ohh okay, well thanks for the recommendations. I need new books for the kindle lol

gilded mason
#

And regarding Shadow of Intent, it was added to a short story collection later on called Halo: Fractures

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Which reminds me, the collection "Halo Evolutions" is also quite good

balmy mantle
#

Is there anything infinite related for books? Shadows of Reach tied into it a bit but yeah

gilded mason
#

Bad Blood, the sequel to New Blood, has some very minor stuff that Infinite kind of references, but I think that's it. Other than Rubicon Protocol

midnight lake
#

Hey, I haven't played any halo campaign game, specially Infinite (yet) so not big spoilers, I just want some clarification, The Shock Rifle, how does it guide the Shock? Does the gun maybe works like a Rail gun and shoots a projectile that keeps the electricity in a predictable and able to aim trajectory, or how does it do it? Because I can see it working at short and medium range, but it might need something to stay on track for the longer range shots, right? Is that how physics works or am I full of baloney?

verbal pollen
unique rune
grave rover
#

hello there

#

I'd like to know how in good lord's name there is life on the Halo rings

#

I haven't finished any halo game but I know bits and pieces

scarlet hinge
#

the ringworlds and everything on them are artificially placed there and maintained

grave rover
#

ok that makes sense there is life there but

#

what about gravity?

#

is there ways to make manmade gravity?

scarlet hinge
#

in halo, yes

grave rover
#

damn

scarlet hinge
#

the forerunners use antigravity technology to do pretty much everything

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their construction is done via way of nano-scale building blocks with inbuilt gravity generators inside them that hold the structures together

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and let them reassmble on a whim

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IRL, you can "create" gravity in space by spinning your ship or station

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this creates a centrifuge that pins you to the interior edge of the spinning surface

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but this is used very little in halo

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but it's prominently featured in works like the Expanse, Interstellar, 2001: A Space Odyssey etc

obsidian thistle
#

https://www.halopedia.org/Buffer_field

Halopedia
Buffer field

Buffer fields are energy fields which allow manipulation of gravity in a variety of ways. The Forerunners developed various applications for them, including keeping ships aloft in a planetary atmosphere, inertial dampening aboard starships, as well as generation of artificial gravity. It was said that anti-gravity buffer fields generated a sensa...

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I need to update that page as Halo Infinite or media around it confirmed that Halos did indeed use that sorta tech.

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But essentially thats how Halos and other Forerunner installations do Gravity.

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@grave rover

heady geyser
#

Thoughts on the didact coming back?

unique rune
#

A little bit annoyed that 343 seems to be backtracking on things yet again, but at the same time, stuffing him in a funny computer box to be ignored for the next almost-decade outside of a single appearance in a coloring book was not the move in the first place.

#

Just like most of 343's odd reactionary stumbling post-Halo 4.

hushed trail
#

i don’t think 343 knew what they were doing when it came to the prometheans and the didact

last anchor
#

They had some idea.
And then they backtracked again instead of going forward, for whatever reason, and basically made them a non-issue practically off-screen

stable flower
#

I blame the fans

fair hazel
#

Me too.

#

The didact is great

summer plinth
#

Halo isn't halo any more

#

The lore is trash by 343

#

It sad but true

#

I wish halo was in good hand but it isn't

terse lava
#

@stable flower id blame more 343 than the fans. They were the ones who chose to backtrack, and brought the didact forward in a poor manner in the first place.

heady geyser
#

Best bet 343 had time constraints with halo 4 and couldn’t do their original plan on how they wanted to introduce the didact

terse lava
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Not sure on that, seeing that at one point, they (Frankie i think) had said the Didact would be thr Chidf's first true nemesis

unique rune
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I don't think Halo 4's development was that constrained on dev time, actually. Not in the grand scheme of Halo titles.

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343 just seems like they're weirdly overreactive to fan responses sometimes so they just panicked in the aftermath of 4's release and reception and just started axing things all willy nilly.

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I just don't understand why they seem so hell-bent on trying to appeal to people who will probably never be satisfied with their games because no new Halo title is ever going to be able to recreate their exact nostalgia-tinged memories and feelings of playing Halo 3 with friends after school and whatever else.

But I digress.

fair hazel
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I'm excited but also scared for the book

last anchor
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It’s denning which could mean basically anything

fair hazel
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Kelly gay

stable flower
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At least it's not Karen Traviss. Eek!

obsidian thistle
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I actually dont think her novels were that bad. Though as a Scot; I do question some of her ship name choices.

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I actually found her story in Evolutions to be interesting

last anchor
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Wait, we're talking about Epitaph

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Human Weakness was pretty good, though some of her depictions of time and the Cortana moments dont quite match up.

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My main issue with Kilo-5 was just her style rather than the actual content.

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There's a feel to each writer, and for me, Traviss is one of the less...smooth ones?
Its like running your hand over a banister for me, if it reads good its smooth and simple.

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Traviss's writing is like running your hands over a banister thats taken a couple hits from buckshot. Still usable, but uneven.

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Im always glad to get more Kelly G tho

terse lava
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that is the most unique comparison to a book I think I have ever seen

obsidian thistle
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I dont think anyone complains at how much better that species got after her work.

heady geyser
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What are we taking about my fellow lore people

obsidian thistle
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Well me I am discussing with Halopedians the complex mystery of the Domain.

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Its very complex but the tldr is this. Its not Forerunner, its not Precursor, and it predates the known universe.

unique rune
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Ancient alien space Wikipedia will outlive us all

opaque pond
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Halo

cobalt quiver
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Trying to explain the concept of the MJOLNIR mark armor series and the concept of Generations to a friend. Anyone have any analogies to explain them? Like explaining how Mark VI and VII coexist on Gen III?

obsidian thistle
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GEN3 is like PC standards and cores are like models of it

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So everything we see in Halo Infinite could be seen as GEN3. Or updated to GEN3 standards.

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Mark VI and Mark VII could be seen like variants/models nowadays and less upgrades to the platform like it was in GEN1

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@cobalt quiver I hope thats somewhat understandable.

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So yes I am also saying Mark V (B) is GEN3 in Infinite even though its more upgraded to the GEN3 standards.

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Imagine a old PC you have and you replace the parts in it to keep it up to speed.

cobalt quiver
serene rain
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So how did the Spirit of Fire get to the ark?

unique rune
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Currently still unknown slipspace magic

serene rain
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Lame

cobalt quiver
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Mendicant bias

tropic forge
serene rain
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Game came out almost 6 years ago and we still don't know.

versed aurora
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Where can I buy cheap halo books In usa? Even if they are used

steep ether
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Amazon, most large bookstores should have a couple.

versed aurora
steep ether
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Can’t really help, try just researching online

tropic forge
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I've seen up to Last Light in bookstores, so that'd be a place to start.

pale zenith
#

So how did locke lose his helmet to banished?

flat kernel
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I believe that is still unknown.

dawn knot
stable flower
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It'll probably be explained in a book

wispy quest
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They should make a ODST show that takes place over the first couple years of the covenant and human war I already have some ideas for it and they can also have master chief in it and have him voiced by his voice actor in the games I feel like people would go crazy over that

terse lava
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@wispy quest so, just Band of Brothers ODST style? People have suggested that for many years

wispy quest
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Yeah

terse lava
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Yeah been an idea for over a decade now

near tide
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All of the fun is near the end

haughty dew
glossy cedar
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So I have a question. Back in H4 when you play Spartan Ops, you’re part of Fireteam Crimson. What happens to them? Are you still part of them in Infinite?

slow flower
glossy cedar
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Ew, Fireteam Frat bros

unique rune
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In Infinite we are part of Fireteam Majestic.
...I'm like 90% sure that's not true.

glossy cedar
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I didn’t think we were a part of any fireteam

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Or if we were, it would be Crimson

fair hazel
fair hazel
glossy cedar
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Is there a source for that

last anchor
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Majestic doesnt even show up in Infinite.

stable flower
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I doubt Majestic will show up in media again

terse lava
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They are clearly hanging out with Thel, Lasky, and others in the sacred halls of DLC

fair hazel
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Fireteam shadow shows up though

stable flower
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Oh I was thinking of Fireteam Crimson

fair hazel
#

Crimson was mentioned in the encyclopedia

severe relic
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Hey y’all. I just finished Legacy of Onyx the other day (I know I’m a few years late lol) anyone else read it before?

last anchor
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Yes

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Prepare yourself for the wait because not only do we have to wait for a theoretical sequel to Legacy but SPI isnt coming till march of next year in Infinite.
Annoyingly

severe relic
last anchor
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They have been since Reach
Bungie had their chance. It was obvious. But they didnt

stable flower
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I say the same about Spartan-IV fans

severe relic
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Aside from the armour wait I’m just so upset there’s no confirmed sequel to Legacy because that book had me hooked and we need to know what’s been going on there

severe relic
last anchor
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Not as much as in Halo 4, admittedly

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Though Osiris counts

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They did kinda get the short end of the stick in Infinite though.

fair hazel
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Legacy or onyx is my favourite alongside silentium

next jacinth
#

someone i just met thinks that star wars can survive the flood

gilded mason
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Really depends on the context

next jacinth
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the flood dropped off on corosaunt (didn't spell that right)

gilded mason
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During the Empire Era, I imagine Sheev would be quite willing to destroy large amounts of sections of the planet no matter how many uninfected are there. And I guess it'd depend on if any victims are able to get aboard a ship without notice or reprisal.

next jacinth
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especially in a highly populated place

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flood spores and contact

severe relic
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I mean if the Empire possessed the Death Star they could just obliterate it

next jacinth
#

true

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would they wreak havoc if a flood infected ship just rammed into the death star?

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similar to how they appear in halo 3

severe relic
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The empire would probably just destroy the Death Star

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The empire definitely had better failsafes than the covenant for stuff like that

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Also I got a question. Is the Kilo-Five Trilogy worth finishing. I’ve read grasslands but I’m being told it gets more unbearable the further in

gilded mason
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Is the Kilo-Five Trilogy worth finishing.
In my opinion? Nope.

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The author retcons things so she can soapbox, reduces species to idiots, endorses really creepy views, and so on.

severe relic
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I’m only wanting to stick around for Avu Med ‘Telcam

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Half the characters feel like their personality is hating on Halsey

gilded mason
severe relic
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Maybe I’ll just read a synopsis lol. I’m currently reading Rubicon Protocol, just started the other day

gilded mason
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👍

severe relic
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Did people enjoy that book?

gilded mason
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I've heard that people found it enjoyable enough.

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Never read it myself

next jacinth
next jacinth
pale zenith
next jacinth
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most of the spartan 4s are justified

severe relic
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I get people think she’s a bad person but it shouldn’t be their personality

gilded mason
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Especially when previous events and personalities are altered to facilitate it.

last anchor
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Also, Traviss is a passable author, but she works best in enviroments where she can do whatever the hell she wants too (like Gears of War for example, or I guess Star Wars Legends...sorta).
She was not a good match for Halo

gilded mason
twilit pivot
last anchor
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Read em all as they came out. Gears is one of two series i rabidly consume besides Halo

unique rune
twilit pivot
heady geyser
#

Howdy my fellow lore people

terse lava
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evening

pale zenith
tawdry reef
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the didact is coming back pals

grizzled crown
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i just got into halo but what is the lore

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what is the lore of this game

tawdry reef
pale zenith
craggy sierra
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Not wrong

heady geyser
gilded mason
urban ridge
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It's better to experience the story rather than having someone explain it to you.

stable flower
terse lava
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Does often feel that way. We went from the Didact being the main baddie with Jul as a sidekick, to Cortana Skynet, to a group of pirates suddenly becoming a full blown powerhouse

fair hazel
#

In a way the banished got apower boost when doisac ralied under the banished

gilded mason
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The Doisac that, along with its entire people and industry, exploded.

last anchor
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Yeah, basically every Jiralhanne still living owes themselves to the Banished more or less, right?
The Encyclopedia says most of those that made it off were in Banished ships

terse lava
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Still such an odd thing to do. "Hey remember the space apes that have not properly been main focus in a game since halo 3? Their planet blew up."

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@gilded mason imagine how bad it will be for the Covenant loyaltists still on the ark when they find out. And Castor

last anchor
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Blowing up planets is a dumb thing no matter who does it.
Grey Team were dumb for glowing up Glyke (and ONI were dumb for even suggesting it)
The Empire was dumb for blowing up Alderaan.

Blowing up planets is just a dumb endeavour period.

The Didact had the right idea; why blow up the planet when you can just compose its population?

lone plover
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hey what if human in halo have access to tech in doom ( human tech no argentdnir or makyr) ie : BFG weaponry

terse lava
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I mean, we see in Cryptum thanks to Bornstellar's Didact imprint memories that the Didact straight up ripped planet's to pieces in implied revenge for his children's deaths

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Along with seeing Builder Security flip over entire landmasses on the San'Shyuum homeworld

last anchor
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Humans get angry; flips table.
Builders get mad; FLIP CONTINENT

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Doesnt make it any less silly mind you.

last anchor
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So by technicality, it would be a serious downgrade

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As would the requirement for Argent energy since hardlight is plentiful, easily replenished as long as theres access to Forerunner power systems, and easier to store

lone plover
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and oh btw not the BFG in doom eternal

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the bfg i talk about is the one in classic doom

last anchor
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Thats actually weaker than the Eternal version

terse lava
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I don't ont think it would change much. The Covenant is simply too powerful

lone plover
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what about plasma rifle? that would be better then 7.62 that human uses

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speaking of which why human still uses smg? since 7.62 were already terrible at defeating shields (if fullpower cartridge already bad enough..wouldnt pistol catridge with even less kinetic energy be worse?)

terse lava
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Always seen two reasons for that.

  1. Rule of cool
  2. In universe, humanity has had several centuries of relative peace, so major reason to upgrade weapons
lone plover
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like say caseless catridge weapons or telescoped cartridges

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hell even plasma ignition type weapon (it a conventional ballistic weapon but the ignition uses plasma instead)

terse lava
#

Maybe though a lot of stuff in Halo were clear references to the ALIENS franchise. The pelican, Sgt. Johnson, etc

lone plover
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wait how advanced is the battery technology in halo for the humans

terse lava
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No clue

lone plover
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so gauss weapon are off the options (not including the gauss cannon)

lone plover
last anchor
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Yes

fair hazel
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I cried when cortana blew up Doisac

gilded mason
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I just went, "Bit rude, Cortana, not gonna lie."

lone plover
#

speaking of plasma rifle...which in lore are better?

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the battle rifle or the plasma rifle

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like do plasma rifle have range issues or it just never exist in lore?

gilded mason
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Plasma rifle is much deadlier to get in contact with, though the battle rifle is a bit faster

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Some range issues, I think, but not nearly as exaggerated as the games.

lone plover
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i was thinking it probably going to be impossible to hit enemy that is moving in the open field

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since it velocity is only 100 or 200 meter per seconds

hazy shadow
gilded mason
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...No?

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It's only talked about in Infinite

unique rune
#

Yeah it's like... a whole pivotal thing in Infinite's campaign.

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Criticize 343 all you want for "leaving important stuff in the books" or whatever but at least be accurate about it.

lone plover
#

i heard some angry comment on infinity"s lore about how the heck do the infinity lose to banish when they struggle against a human cruiser(?)

gilded mason
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The Infinity wouldn't be able to win against so many ships, so it makes sense that it lost

lone plover
#

that thing is old and doesnt even have that many personal on it

gilded mason
#

Plot Armor

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There is no reason the Banished Carrier shouldn't have destroyed the Spirit of Fire easily, but the plot needed the ship to live.

lone plover
#

that dumb

unique rune
#

HW2 has very... wonky powerscaling and writing in general.

lone plover
#

that just sound..so so dumb

gilded mason
unique rune
#

Like the campaign ultimately just sorta doesn't really go anywhere by the end, except simultaneously hype up the Banished as The Next Big Thing while also writing them into being comically incompetent?

gilded mason
#

Eyup

unique rune
#

And then by Infinite we're supposed to believe they're the dominant Covenant remnant faction? Super weird.

gilded mason
#

Basically nothing happened that game

stable flower
#

Everything happened offscreen, sadly

unique rune
#

I don't think it would be much better if it happened on-screen, quite frankly.

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It's all very bizarre and incongruent writing that feels like a result of no one really having a clear plan of what to do.

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Anything that tries to fill in the gaps is pretty much patchwork solutions that serve to support an unsound core structure.

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There's also only so much you can stick in the games without like, straight up boring the player or dragging things out too long and making development impractical.

lone plover
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i want to see caseless catridge assault rifle or battle rifle

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they done it with SMG they might as well do it to AR and BR too

unique rune
#

I mean.
Why though.

lone plover
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less weight more magazine capacity

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more bullet to kill shield with

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and faster burst fire rate (g11 fast)

unique rune
#

...Alongside a whole bundle of other engineering challenges that may offset any advantages caseless can provide.

lone plover
#

and that thing dont cook off apparently in lore

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like you see people spray that thing like it wont cook off

unique rune
#

Yeah and the M7's successor model dropped the caseless aspect.

lone plover
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they did?

unique rune
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The M20 SMG as seen in Halo 5 uses cased ammunition, yes.

lone plover
#

btw why do they still use smg?

unique rune
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Because full-sized rifles and machine guns are really awkward to use in cramped spaces?

lone plover
#

but ..shields

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like...9mm vs shield is like......

unique rune
#

I mean, not every target is shielded or heavily armored.

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Most Covenant and related remnant factions only have energy shielding for higher-ranking personnel. Human shielding tech is also not particularly widespread.

lone plover
#

so do low ranking elite not have shield armor?

unique rune
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Uh. No. Modern Sangheili combat harnesses are generally fitted with energy shielding and nanolaminate armor plating as standard.

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But the majority of ex-Covenant are like.
Primarily composed of Unggoy and other softer targets.

lone plover
#

elite still came in quite an quantity right?

unique rune
#

...Sure?

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Look, just because a weapon isn't "the most powerful" doesn't mean it doesn't have its uses.

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If you're part of a vehicle crew, you'd probably much prefer to have a compact gun like an SMG that you can actually handle comfortably over an MA-series assault rifle that's twice as long and collides with everything when you try to turn or aim.

lone plover
#

does carbine version of assault rifle exist?

unique rune
stable flower
pale zenith
next jacinth
#

you have to find these audiobooks to at least get a idea of what happens

grizzled crown
pale zenith
#

Sensors shud pick up enemy craft

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Especially the super sensors the infinity had

last anchor
#

You dont need to be stealthed when you have a 5 or 10 to 1 advantage

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Infinity basically bumbled into such a huge fleet that Atriox willingly sacrificed four Karves in ram attacks against her and didnt loose a substansial amount of his forces (at least, as far as I can tell based on Escharums descriptions of the battle, the details in Rubicon and the Encyclopedia)

scarlet quiver
#

🤔

last anchor
#

Yeah she kinda got dogpiled.
Shes tough but shes not invincible (to use Johnsons description of a Scarab)

#

Brute-piled?

heady geyser
#

What are we talking about today

scarlet quiver
#

Why Taco Bell never has their potatoes in stock.

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🫠

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Now i am making tacos.
Quick vote: yall do hard shells, soft, or throw it on doritos?

chrome lake
#

The only way to eat a real taco is with maize tortilla.

mortal nymph
#

Why did the covenant come back in halo 4? I still don’t understand

craggy sierra
#

Ask yourself why would the covenant have died after Halo 3

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All the races of the covenant have homeplanets and colonies across the galaxy that were loyal to the religion outside of the front line of the covenant fighting in Halo 2/3. This is an 8000 year old religious government institution.

None of them may have even known about the stuff going down with the ark and high charity and then just have some frontline soldiers return and be like "yeah our entire society is false"

gilded mason
#

My main issue as somebody who didn't know about the Kilo-5 books at the time I played Halo 4 is that the most explanation we got in-game for facing this new faction was:
"A lot can happen in four years."

Like, give us at least a bit more exposition, please? Maybe from Lasky or something.

craggy sierra
#

I think it's mostly fine if you do think critically about it. Maybe something else couldn't have hurt but eh.

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Halo 4's designs certainly make them feel a lot more ramshackled than the covenant of olde. The whole sleveless merc vibe on the elite armor and other stuff in their designs sure don't scream "apex of a millitary organization"

lone plover
#

what if humanity at start have access to forerunner relics just like the covenant how different will the outcome be?

stable flower
#

Then innies wouldn't have been a thing

heady geyser
unique rune
# gilded mason My main issue as somebody who didn't know about the Kilo-5 books at the time I p...

Yeah, looking at back at Halo 4's campaign it's always stuck out to me how little it really integrates with the rest of 4's surrounding fiction. Like it only really makes connections to Forerunner Trilogy content.

Arguably some of it wouldn't be that relevant to the main campaign, but it just sorta comes off as weird that elements of Kilo-Five (as controversial as it may be) don't really make it in. Spartan Ops sorta follows up on bits from the campaign but the connections aren't that strong either.

upper nacelle
#

Might be a dumb question or an obvious answer but how is Earth during the entire Halo timeline? How would a political map look like? Do certain countries even exist anymore?

last anchor
#

Not a stupid question actually, Earths current status is rather important to the UNSC as a whole.

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For the most part the entire planets united under the United Earth Government (UEG), which sprung out of the United Nations after the Interplanetary War if I remember right.
The UNSC came first and kept its title, despite the UN itself not exactly being much of a thing anymore.

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Individual countries have more or less ceased to exist and instead have formed blocks of geopolitical contact and power. For example, Canada, the US and Mexico ceased to be individuals and united under the United Republics of North America (URNA). The EU still exists I believe, though at some point it (presumably violently) reintegrated Britain into itself.

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Korea is reunited again and seems to have gotten off better for it, with Songnam being an important testing ground for Naval Special Warfare, including MJLONIR MK VI and the Spartan Laser

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Russia still exists as far as we know.

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Australia is oddly important, with the UNSC having its general HQ there...or, well, DID, until Cortana took a page out of the Principality of Zeon's book and dropped a Frigate on it.

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Cuba had a space elevator. So did Mombasa.
Oh right, theres the East African Protectorate which included Kenya, where Mombasa and Voi were (as both are now part of the giant hole the Portal To The Ark lives in)

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Though parts of Mombasa are being rebuilt under Project Rebirth.

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The Pacific Northwest is surprisingly active, with Seattle housing offices for several major corporations including Acheron Securites, enough that Spartan-IVs are occasionally required to step in to stop the "corporate shadow wars" that occur between them (often bearing specialized FOTUS suits built by 343 Industries, who as far as we can tell operate out of the consumed former city of Redmond still, with Seattle having spread to eat it at some point during the intreviening 5 centuries)

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Cleveland exists and was invaded by the Covenant during the Battle of Earth

golden pulsar
#

Ya, sounds about right

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I find it so funny that a gun game shows all the fun stuff but also shows like sad stuff and actual things that could help our society today

#

There is less violence on earth(crime) and people seem to be living well

#

Just something I find cool/funny about halo

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You especially see the living ways in halo 3/odst

#

Of course by then the covenant is on earth, but it got better

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I especially like halo reach because it shows how massive the buildings are

#

On reach

last anchor
#

That said, Sadies Story is FASCINATING for its introspect on the civilian life on Earth.

#

Honestly, the first parts of Battle Born were great for that too, seeing how normal civilians on Meridian lived

golden pulsar
#

Ya

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Halo is so deep in its lore, u could spend hours researching it

last anchor
#

Days. Easily.
You should take a look at the bookshelf I have, which houses 99% of the Halo books

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Im only missing like...2?

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But then the series has been going for 20 years, and unlike other series, they actually use the story as a leverage point

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...something more series really should do, looking at you Titanfall

golden pulsar
#

Bro titanfall is so good

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They're already making 3

last anchor
#

Pretty much every series that plays great could be made better with a well written lore book or two.

golden pulsar
#

I haven't played 1

#

Ya

last anchor
#

The one that always comes to my mind is Resistance, which really could have used more than the forgotten tie-in novel it had.

#

Titanfall has an annoying tendency to put its lore exactly where no ones going to look.

golden pulsar
#

The resistance?

#

Have u played apex before

last anchor
#

Resistance Fall of Man. "Halo Killer" from the PS...3 era? Really good alternate history world stuff.

#

And no, I dont play Brs

golden pulsar
#

Cool

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Do u know octane from apex at least

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This one

last anchor
#

Yes.
I dont follow the lore except by osmosis tho

golden pulsar
#

If I remember correctly, his dad ran a company that made health goods, and titans for the military. They slowly learned that they had a lot of power and started attacking planets that were inhabited by humans. They became the IMC, or interstellar manufacturing corporation, who attack the frontier in titanfall 2. Then the militia tried to stop them resulting in a war across the galaxy. That's essentially titanfall 1. Then in titanfall 2, u get introduced to cooper and bt 7274 who try to stop the mercenarys who made a time weapon what is essentially the death star of that universe. They stop it but bt dies. That stops most of the war but it's still going on. After most of the war is over. Blisk(the leader of the apex predators in titanfall 2) creates a game arena for money called apex. He does this to look for the very best players to be apart of his lost mercenary group that died in titanfall 2. Which funny enough valkery from apex legends is the the daughter of viper from titanfall.

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Now that I'm thinking about it. Octanes dad did make supplies to heal people but he wasn't apart of that companie. It was hammond Corp that combined with IMC to make the big titan making company we know in titanfall 2

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I could probably get into apex and titanfall more but this is halo chat so I shouldn't really be explaining all the lore about titanfall in the halo server

wispy prawn
#

I dont think they will though with apex and all :(

full pike
#

27 years of losing to the covenant just to win
Best comeback story of my life

boreal bane
boreal bane
last anchor
#

Always did wonder what the hell was going on inside that ship

fair hazel
#

i realy enjoyed the story

last anchor
#

Nice call backs to other games besides 4.

fair hazel
#

Selene’s lance!

wicked fox
#

was in the s12 weekly lore

golden pulsar
#

More from the flood, banished, and ya sure us combined

stable flower
versed helm
stable flower
#

I hope the Chieftain that injured Romeo gets a name

dense falcon
#

He did

stable flower
#

Ohhh

#

Turns out he was meant to be in Halo 2 as well

silk viper
fair hazel
last anchor
#

I was really kinda hoping the finals would have some reference to how Seattle is in 2560...sadly, no such luck.

golden pulsar
#

What happens if I ping everyone

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Lol

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Just imagine

boreal bane
#

Exactly why we disabled it

golden pulsar
#

Makes sense

#

That's smart

#

People would be mad if they were pinged

boreal bane
#

Pro-tip, don't test this out on servers. It's a quick way to get yourself removed

golden pulsar
#

Ok

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Thx

lone plover
#

you know what unsc should make? double barrel assault rifle 1 mag loaded with ammo made to kill shield and one normal ammo

#

like ...if 1 gun doesnt kill an elite...how about 2

#

speaking of elite...how much round does it take to kill elite"s shield in lore?

#

(say 7.62 or the whatever 9MM rifle round br uses)

unique rune
#

trying to build a gun that is functionally two guns jammed into the same casing sounds like a terrible idea

lone plover
last anchor
#

And no one uses it realistically for a reason

lone plover
#

oh wait i forgot you can just load different ammo separately in a mag...

woven stratus
#

we have a double barrel 1911 (M2011A2)

heady geyser
terse lava
#

It was, until that cannon fodder dropped. Previously Bracktanus's sole appearance was from h2 LE booklet, Conversations of the Universe. Personally I like that they brought him to the fore

prime matrix
#

Yoo

stable flower
#

Turns out Endurance-of-Will was a random Promethean Knight you fight in Halo 4

scarlet hinge
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endurance being the final knight you face just outside the didact's cryptum has been a fan theory for a very long time

sharp silo
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Yeah, Brute Chieftans are cool, but do nothing compared to a Spartan with a minigun

heady geyser
terse lava
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Think I may take the chieftsin with the hammer. Their h3 invincibility is pretty useful

wanton notch
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Anyone ever read Fistful of Arrows? I just finished it and it was excellent

terse lava
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It is a pretty good fanfic comic

sharp silo
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Pretty much yeah

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Speaking of Canon, still kinda supriaed we have not really got a Jiralhanae focused book. We have human centric, Sangheili centric, but no space apes

last anchor
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What about Contact Harvest?

terse lava
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@last anchor fair, was thinking along the lines of something focused on say, Doisac

last anchor
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Now THAT would be fun

scarlet hinge
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@scarlet hinge again true, but that was focusing on a singular group. I guess what I am saying is I'd like a book showing life on Doisac. We get that with Sangheilios, would be nice to see how Jiralhanae life and culture is like on their home

last anchor
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The Sundering of Doisac; a book defining the events leading up too, and just after, Cortanas destruction of the world.
Told through the eyes of various people on it and on its moons.

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@last anchor perfect