#lore-and-universe

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obsidian thistle
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Tbf its the closest Halo has ever gotten to some of the Star Wars Audio Books

visual orbit
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I got that reference Heh.

last anchor
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We need more audio dramas IMO.

And on that, Star Wars level Essential Guides.

versed helm
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To think Halo Legends came before Star Wars Visions

obsidian thistle
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To think the Matrix did it before Halo ;)

versed helm
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And Dragon Ball did it before the.... live action adaptation...

humble yacht
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You messed up the pattern

terse sage
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Jerome vs Chief, who would win

last anchor
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Jerome instantly defers to Chief's role as Squad Leader, handed down by Mendez when they were teenagers.
Chief throws him a Battle Rifle and they proceed to mulch whatever unfortunate Banished forces attempt to stand in their way

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Jerome is just glad to see Chief again after so many years, even if being in cry for nearly 30 has resulted in some RATHER INTENSE age differences between the two of them.

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Actually, when Jerome went into cryo proper, Sam had only been dead for...5 years? Give or take?

terse sage
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Chief and Jerome teaming up on Zeta halo would have been so cool

last anchor
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It might still happen. Jeromes the other active main Spartan and theres nothing that says you cant pull a Halo ring back to the Ark for repairs

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We still dont know where Zeta WENT even.

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It could be on a coasting trip to the Ark even now

terse sage
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Also, where is the rest of the UNSC during Infinite? Their biggest ship gets destroyed and no one goes looking?

cinder canyon
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It's around a gas giant as they all are apparently, but its orbit never reveals it in the game

gilded mason
terse sage
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Chief should have flattened Locke in 2 seconds during 5. The fact that a full fight happens is unrealistic

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Even with Locke in the latest armor

gilded mason
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The only thing bad there was the choreography.

unique rune
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H5 has problems but the fact that Locke's head doesn't spontaneously explode or whatever it is weird fanboys want from that fight is not one of them.

valid hemlock
last anchor
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I wish it was faster. Im sure they slowed it down for drama but I would have liked to see them move as fast as Spartans can in lore.
The fights over so fast you barely have time to figure out what happened

cinder canyon
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That seems to be missing lately, the sheer speed they can move

last anchor
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I wanna see Kelly outrun a Warthog

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Say what you will about the TV show but seeing Silver Team roadie-run faster than a loaded Hog was real nice

cinder canyon
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I get warm fuzzies during Civil War and Cap and co out running traffic, that's what I'd like to see from Halo

void ore
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Who would win in a fight, arbiter or noble 6

gilded mason
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Arbiter

void ore
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I thought so

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I guess I just have the feels for noble 6

cinder canyon
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Those who journeyed into the howling dark, and did not return

terse sage
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Noble 6 vs Locke

humble yacht
native gale
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The classes of different AI are a real deep dive into the sauce that I am happy to discuss, but it's not something to do here so that we wouldn't clog other people's conversations. If you really want know, feel free to dm. I eat lore for breakfast and know just about everything about Halo lore

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False. Noble 6, Jorge, and every halo character that dies off-screen is dead dead

last anchor
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I mean Six kinda died on screen so

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Off-screen deaths are a different thing (see; Mark, Olivia and Ash being listed as KIA in the Catalog posts to screams of terror...only for it to be revealed they were listed that way legally so they could be assigned to the Ferrets)

native gale
# terse sage Noble 6 vs Locke

Well, if the character doesn't die, then it's not an off-screen death. To continue on with the Reach theme, Jorge technically didn't die on screen either, but he was at ground 0 for a slipspace bomb in a ship that was destroyed. The guy died, it was sad.

versed helm
native gale
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I found Locke to be a very generic character that was kinda cringe so I literally could not care less either way

versed helm
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@native gale same here

humble yacht
last anchor
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I mean heā€™s mentioned in the audio logs. Heā€™s another hanging thread like Alpha 9, Blur and Anders

humble yacht
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Blur?

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I donā€™t think they make stories. Just cutscenes

lapis minnow
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I just finished ghosts of onyx

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Great book 10/10

dusty pilot
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i imagine the Command Shuttle referenced in CE is like the large shuttle from Avatar, 1-2 deployable Command Shuttles like that per Halcyon Class would be cool.

vale mountain
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Was it ever explained how stacker and chips dubbo survived halo 1?

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Johnson had an entire book going over how he survived but how did stacker and chips survive?

abstract wren
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they are EE

native gale
hushed seal
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If yall were forced to choose if Halsey was a good or bad person, what would you pick? (there is no middle answer, you have to decide if she is a good, or bad person lol)

humble yacht
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I choose not to choose

last anchor
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Neither, because her actions were fated; the Librarian set things in motion 100,000 years ago, and Halsey's the end seed result of that.

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If Halsey hadn't done it, someone else would have. John, the Spartans, human augmentation as a whole, its all the end result of the Librarians seeds sown to help humanity return to what they once were and reclaim the Mantle.

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Even human AIs, come to think of it, considering Halsey's note about the similarities between smart AI creation and composition

gilded mason
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I wish the geas was never a thing.

last anchor
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I dont think it was a geas here specifically, this is just the Librarian doing other stuff

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Geas's are more forceful are they not?

gilded mason
last anchor
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This seems more like a subtle nudging, ideas left woven into our genes and psyche. Rather than the direct control and stuff we see geas's do.
But then I still really dont know what a geas actually IS proper so (shrug)

gilded mason
hushed seal
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I like how yall basically ignored the rules of the question and still tried to pick both lol

minor sky
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I remember in the Lead up to Halo 5 how big of a deal it felt with Chief's visor being cracked, and wondering "what will go down in this game?" And then in the game its just "oh I guess Locke hit him in the face or something"

last anchor
humble yacht
hushed seal
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the quote doesnt even make sense lol. Obi wan made an absolute statement with that sentence

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the line was used to show how dumb the jedi were, so it just helps further back up my argument lol

gilded mason
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the line was used to show how dumb the jedi were
I don't think that was the intended read of that

hushed seal
gilded mason
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šŸ¤Ø

hushed seal
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im not gonna explain it here in this channel, but I really recommend looking at videos on youtube about it if you want to learn more

gilded mason
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No, I know what you're trying to say. I just think that wasn't how that line specifically wasn't meant to be interpreted.

last anchor
gilded mason
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Especially since he's saying it to a guy who just murdered a bunch of children.

humble yacht
last anchor
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I know, I wanted to add to it.

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But honestly, Im not sure there is one.
...
Palpatine spending an entire work day on Reddit pulling the rug from under other people
"Yesssssss" evil laughter.

Anyway.

vale mountain
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Stackers would become a Sargeant on the infinity in 4

steady basin
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The banish vs the arbiter and his army

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Who will win

versed helm
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The friends you make along the way

steady basin
dusty pilot
minor sky
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Wish they leaned more into the "civil war" aspect of the Storm Covies

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And give us a little detail as to what Arby was up to at that point, given Halo 4 is the sequel to Halo 3

stable flower
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Yeah, Stacker showing up in Reclaimer was a nice callback to Halo 3's The Ark level.

last anchor
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I heard him and went "hey, its Stacker, thats cool."
And then his name showed up on screen.
"HES CANON NOW YEAH BABYYYY"!

abstract wren
abstract wren
craggy sierra
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Chips is on Delta Halo while in New Mombasa according to ODST

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The pretty obvious answer is it's just voice actor re-use. Imagine if you looked at Skyrim NPCs like that.

vale mountain
stable flower
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Same reason why Johnson is in AOTCR and at the end of 343GS in CE. Reused model.

craggy sierra
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Lotta Jarl Balgruufs in Skyrim

native gale
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Everyone is making all sorts of wild theories about production shortcuts. It's really funny when just some simple glitch or something minor and all of a sudden Jar Jar Binks is a sith Lord. Seriously guys, glitches are just glitches. The Cryptex textures in Halo 3 was just some guy messing around with un-loaded textures. Not some super forerunner mystery.

native gale
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They use a fake name to avoid spam

cobalt quiver
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Is it known how the banished knew the UNSC were coming to Zeta Halo? And if the Banished landed on the ring prior to the ambush?

humble yacht
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I think the banished originally were going to zeta for their own reasons

gentle glade
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im gonna say the whole halo 2 lore now: elite

minor sky
drowsy mesa
stable flower
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Banished are essentially a terrorist group now

native gale
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The forerunner saga is only cool if you are interested in how they lived and want to know about the origin of the didact. You could skip to kilo-5 with no consequence at all. Kilo-5 is my favorite book series by far so I would say unless you care about the didact then just skip it. The forerunner saga doesn't have much action in it

native gale
dusty pilot
native gale
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And not having delusions of a Great Journey. To the banished it's just a weapon. Not a holy relic like it was for the covenant

drowsy mesa
minor sky
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I really wish 343i stuck with the more Eagle looking Guardian design for from the Xbox One reveal trailer. Looked a lot coolier than Space Owl imo

proper spoke
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I canā€™t remember this being a thing or not but are rings capable of simulating weather like thunderstorms, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc? and does it have natural storms too??

scarlet hinge
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but there's not really much reason for them to

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well really it'd be more accurate to say there's no reason given to suggest they can't - but it's unlikely they'd want to

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rather, I'd assume their weather manipulation is probably even used to prevent extreme weather events from occurring, as to not mess up stability of the megastructure too much

native gale
# proper spoke I canā€™t remember this being a thing or not but are rings capable of simulating w...

The Installations all had a real biosphere complete with weather, water cycles, and real plants. The Forerunners had climate control in place to make sure each specimen stored on them was properly situated. There were forests, deserts, tundras, etc. These did come with occasional storms and natural disasters but only because the Forerunners wanted a realistic environment to maintain the proper climates. So I guess the rings are capable of natural storms, but everything that happened was by design. Even the blizzards in HCE on Assault on the Control Room were by design because cold weather made the flood much more ineffective, like when you smoke bees to sedate them.

dawn knot
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What are covenant weapon that wouldn't kill you if one round went in your foot

native gale
# dawn knot What are covenant weapon that wouldn't kill you if one round went in your foot

Well, that's a loaded question. Most of the projectile shooting guns won't necessarily instantly kill a normal, not augmented person, but it would at some point kill you. The needler and needle rifle wouldn't instantly kill you, but when the needle shatters it would leave a wound that can't be very well sealed, as well as sever multiple arteries. You'd pretty soon die from blood loss. If you were needled multiple times, the supercombine explosion would most certainly kill you. The cabine shoots radioactive slugs, so you'd be irradiated pretty heavily and die from radiation poisoning. The spiker wouldn't be instantly lethal, but it would cause bad bleeding and probably sever an artery in the foot causing a bleed out. Plasma weapons would cause extreme burning, and the closest thing we have to a normal person getting shot in the foot is the halo tv show in the first episode when the covenant attacks madrigal. For fiction purposes, a smaller plasma weapon would be the best option narratively, but in reality anything would probably kill you.

humble yacht
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Iirc spiker shoot superheated spikes that would cauterize as they pierce

native gale
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But it would still leave a party gnarly wound that would be either very difficult or impossible to fully repair

humble yacht
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Sure but the question wasnā€™t about permanent wounds but rather lethal wounds

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A spiker to the foot would probably not kill you, even if it hit an artery

native gale
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I don't know, there are a lot of very sensitive blood vessels in the feet

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Either way it's very unpleasant and would certainly leave permanent damage. Lethal or not.

humble yacht
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I donā€™t disagree

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Iā€™m just staying on the question postulated

shut dew
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I'm still waiting for a video that shows what if the covenant had physiologically accurate voices

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If their anatomy would even let them speak in a way that sounds relatable to us

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There's a wider problem in sci-fi media where aliens would just be slapped with normal human voices or stereotypical expected alien voices since everyone's afraid of another Jar Jar Binks

native gale
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I don't think the devs have released anything about Sangheli, Kig-Yar, or Unggoy vocal chords. However, the Unggoy have pretty similar physiology to humans (outwardly at least) so maybe those aren't too far fetched. The Sangheli's voices from a production standpoint are just scrambled marine dialogue so there's no real telling on that. And the Kig-yar are very avian so the weird screeching sounds before they had dialogue are probably accurate

shut dew
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Think of this discussion as a sequel to the popular "Animated Instruments are Not Animated Correctly"

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"Aliens' Voices Are Not Vocalized Properly"

native gale
shut dew
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šŸ‘€

native gale
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Did you read that book too?

shut dew
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This is the first time i've heard of it

native gale
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It's an amazing book by Andy Weir, the same guy who wrote the martian

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It's sci Fi but it's entirely backed by real science. Not the fake gobblygook

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It's why he's my favorite author. It's like interstellar where the movie is based entirely on real science and scientific principles.

native gale
last anchor
tight nest
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Was there a significant difference in sub light speed between tha charron Paris and stalwart classes?

humble yacht
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Likely depends on the difference in engine sizes

native gale
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I mean, in real physics both of the ships could theoretically both achieve the same speed (specifically 180,000 miles per second aka the speed of light). As long as the engines are engaged the ship will accelerate, and given enough time will both reach the speed of light. The amount of time it would take to reach that speed will vary from ship to ship, based on weight and engine power, but based on real scientific principle they will achieve the same velocity it will just take varying amount of time.

humble yacht
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Objects with mass can never reach the speed of light

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The acceleration will depend on the mass of the ship and the max output of the engines

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Bigger ships will accelerate slower unless you give them engines that output more thrust

near tide
humble yacht
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Hence the ā€œfiā€ part

ocean eagle
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Ok

native gale
# humble yacht Objects with mass can never reach the speed of light

Objects can travel at the speed of light (the matter on the black hole's accretion disk closest to the event horizon is an example) but nothing in normal 3 dimensional space can break that limit. The power of the engine doesn't effect the top speed of the ship, just the rate of acceleration. And yes, mass does play the biggest factor in what can accelerate the fastest. The laws of physics are universal, so inertia does exist in the middle of interstellar space.

vale mountain
stable flower
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TIL the UNSC has a prototype plasma rifle

dense falcon
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There's a prototype plasma mortar called the Rhino, debuted in Halo Wars.

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Kinda like a Kodiak but tankier

quartz beacon
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Only appears in one mission with limited numbers tho šŸ˜¢

dense falcon
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unique rune
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Tedra Grant, wears Pathfinder armor

dense falcon
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Thank you

vestal belfry
stable flower
quartz beacon
stable flower
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Oh yeah

visual orbit
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Who was the spartan ops guy again

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Miller!

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That's his name

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I hope he survived the events of Rubicon protocol

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He probably sticking around with lasky or palmer

marsh trail
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Just wondering, anybody know if we ever got to know what happens to anders and Jerome and all them after halo wars 2's conclusion?

gilded mason
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Nothing regarding Anders, though Divine Wind goes a little bit into the others at the SoF

native gale
unreal marsh
worthy plinth
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When you canā€™t post images anywhere šŸ˜”šŸ˜”šŸ˜”

hallow anvil
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Youā€™ll just have to describe the image

terse lava
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guessing it was just some meme or gif anyway

native gale
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old ridge
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hi i have a question!

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roughly how many marines would it take to take down a hunter?

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like infinite marines vs banished hunter

gilded mason
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Would depend on equipment, environment, distance, etc.

old ridge
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ah okay

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but like

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standard unsc halo infinite marine squad, fighting medium to close range against a single hunter.

gilded mason
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I'll say, like, 10 marines, with a lot of losses, I suppose

old ridge
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okay thx

gilded mason
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I pulled that outta my butt

old ridge
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thas alright

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still more grounded in lore than any of my guesses

last anchor
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Only in a straight up fight, if they're smart they'll be dropping fusion coils on it

worthy plinth
worthy plinth
worthy plinth
terse lava
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Alright

native gale
humble yacht
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I believe they mean according to lore

magic bison
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Heroic is the most lore accurate difficulty
Iā€™d say like 20 if itā€™s just assault rifles. Less with rocket launchers šŸ˜ˆ

dawn knot
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They have maulers

native gale
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I'm pretty sure if it's something that takes money to buy, someone giving you it to you is copyright infringement (depending on how tight the owner secures their intellectual property) and either way it can be considered piracy, which is a pretty severe no-no here.

steep drum
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I wonder if like, those little army men toys still exist in the timeline.

But with UNSC and Covenant forces.

Imagine the horrified look on a parentā€™s face once they realize their kid favors the Covenant figures lmao

native gale
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That would be funny

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New halo cannon right here boys

steep drum
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Y e s

stable flower
weak snow
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Okay so, I need this answered for a roleplay Iā€™m where where my military is Halo based-
Where are droppods held in UNSC frigates?
(Specifically the Stalwart)

versed helm
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grunt get killed by green man the end

native gale
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If you need more details, there's a halo Fandom page entirely about the Stalwart-class ships

last anchor
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Donā€™t rely on Halo Fandom if you can, for obvious reasons

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But theyā€™re on the bottom so where does sure

native gale
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I tired halopedia and I couldn't get an answer. But for most light ships, the drop bay is on the bottom rear.

obsidian thistle
stable flower
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Infinity was kinda wussified to return to status quo tbh

last anchor
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She did get hit by superior numbers and the Banished destroyed four of their own ships and thousands of their troops to stop her

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We know sheā€™s not immune to superior numbers. That glassing cannon from Escalation almost gutted her

native gale
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The infinity was designed with the help of Engineers so it should have been on the same level as a covenant ship, shields and all

tropic forge
native gale
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Potato tomato either way it should be stronger

tropic forge
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The shields are also a human design.

tropic forge
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Also depends on the Covenant ship.

native gale
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But using the help of the engineers in theory the tech should have been much better than portrayed. Being constantly upgraded while the engineers lived there

tropic forge
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They also only had 8 engineers on board circa 2558.

native gale
tropic forge
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Yeah, but most of the improvements they could make would be made when they had more.

native gale
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Still either way it's appearances on screen are very underwhelming and not very telling of the amount of time spent working on it

tropic forge
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....?

native gale
tropic forge
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Let's try it from a different angle? What is underwhelming?

native gale
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The Infinity's on screen appearances

tropic forge
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It was plenty powerful.

native gale
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The books do a great job showing it's power, but strictly video game on-screen apparences it's very lame

tropic forge
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I'd point out one of those engagements was in Halo 4.

native gale
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Idk it's been awhile since I've played that campaign, but I don't remember it being particularly cool

latent crypt
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It literally slipspaced into the middle of a covenant ship and didnā€™t lose shields

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Giga-Chad ship

last anchor
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I miss Spartan Ops

stable flower
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In response to the earlier talk about Infinity, the ship survived two boarding parties from both Jul's Covenant and Prometheans, once while crashed and again while in space. Somehow the Banished succeeded where they failed.

gray cloak
versed helm
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why did arbiter kiss chef

steep gate
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Whatā€™s messed up to think about is that noble team had to eventually take off cats helmet and see her head exploded out wards of her skull

last anchor
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The needle round didnt detonate. Presumably the hole was small and clean. Blamite doesnt tumble.

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Learn your physics

steep gate
cobalt quiver
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If humanity were welcomed but refused to join the Covenant, would they be forced in or declared war on?

scarlet hinge
cobalt quiver
scarlet hinge
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the two aren't mutually exclusive

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nor is either a guarantee

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the Covenant have genocided whole species' who refused to join the empire willingly, and they've also done wars of conquest to bring them into the fold by force

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the brutes put up resistance to joining and were forcefully incorporated, but they weren't slaves

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sixty years later they were in the running to become the empire's predominant caste

shell tartan
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Grunts are a great example of what happens if you resist the covenantā€™s indoctrination

woven shuttle
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When were grunts a threat to anything

shell tartan
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The grunts were a massive threat to the covenant multiple times lmao

woven shuttle
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I mean to master chief

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Well when was anything again

shell tartan
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Master chief is one man that does a lot of damage, yes
But imagine what an army of little angry crabs can do

woven shuttle
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Suicide crabs

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Aah yes. I have died to them many times

shell tartan
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The Grunt rebellion happened a few times iirc and the Covenant stopped one by glassing their homeworld and making them watch

woven shuttle
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OOF

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elites to me are just so cool

shell tartan
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Theyā€™re treated like dirt and have awful living conditions, itā€™s no surprise they revolted

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Sangheili are awesome

woven shuttle
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I remember playing halo 4 with my great cousin

woven shuttle
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they are so badpass

shell tartan
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But have you heard of the Sangheiliā€™s friends? The Lekgolo

woven shuttle
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No not rly. Tell me about them

shell tartan
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Lekgolo are a worm species within the covenant that typically assist in technological control over large relic extractors and heavy assault units

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They can be seen commonly as a pair of Mgalekgolo, or Hunters

woven shuttle
shell tartan
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The big good bois with fuel rod cannons and shields of nearly impenetrable metal

woven shuttle
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Their backs tho

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They very sad when friend dies šŸ˜„

shell tartan
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Itā€™s technically themselves

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Since theyā€™re the same colony split into two bodies

native gale
shell tartan
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Iā€™m aware, even upon initial meeting Iā€™m pretty sure the grunts fought against the Covenant

native gale
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Yeah I'm pretty sure there was a resistance before being subdued, then multiple rebellions

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For being 'weak cannon fodder', they sure are deadly sometimes

stable flower
native gale
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The revolts all went so well, until the jackals turned on their aimbot and finally got headshots

regal spade
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Both Marathon: Infinity and Halo Infinite have alternate realities, the U.E.S.C Emblem is the Reclaimer Symbol, a communication from MIDA is found in Destiny, the Cyborgs in Marathon are referred to as MJOLNIR, Durandal is named after a sword like Cortana, the player character of Marathon ends up being able to create their own realities. There is a cut enemy in Marathon: Durandal that resembles the Flood in every way and infection type. Etc etc and ten thousand more reasons why Marathon, Halo, and Destiny are the same universe.

humble yacht
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What makes you say halo infinite has alternate realities

obsidian thistle
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Unfortunately they are totally separate naratively. Marathon and Destiny however might be the same Multiverse however (despite Bungies reluctance to outright say it)

craggy sierra
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I mean the MIDA Multi-Tool kinda confirmed it

pure cliff
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Given enough of them and given if they're armed, they can overwhelm defenses which is commonly what they're used for. More guns in the fight = more heat to bring upon the enemy.

sharp silo
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ThatĀ“s why their rebellions were so deadly

native gale
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Halo lore follower described them as a dime a dozen so there are quite a lot

last anchor
obsidian thistle
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IE I am glad I dont do Destiny/Marathon lore

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The semantics would get to me. And too much vagueness

craggy sierra
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I mean Marathon Infinity kinda states that the events of Marathon involve multiple universes and timelines

obsidian thistle
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Oh I know! Brilliant games! Still weird semantics. Bungie could go either way with the Marathon/Destiny links however.

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They could say it is a timeline/s. They could say its Marathon-like events.

craggy sierra
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Considering the timeline divergence thing was like an actual cannonical thing that was caused by a pan-dimensional eldreich being that occured at a fixed point in time around Marathon 2 and just flat out did not happen in some timelines like the one in Marathon 2 they could probably just say it's that one and then like...idk, turn it into a raid boss or something. Maybe it's the pyramids. Who tf knows what's going on over there.

obsidian thistle
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As said, I'm glad I dont do Marathon/Destiny lore. This stuff while not beyond me would take up all my time that I put into Halo lol

versed helm
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is there info on the crashed guardian on Zeta halo?

last anchor
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No

unreal solstice
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It do a crash

woven shuttle
quartz beacon
stable flower
spiral jewel
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For the section of the FuD that landed in the Indian Ocean (iirc) , how much of that section was remotely salvageable or be able to have a have a completely new aft section connected to it?

I'm asking this in context of the latest Generalkidd video showing the front half of the FUD

last anchor
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The thing got sliced in half by a Forerunner portal; presumably its not even worth attaching to a new back half. It was either left behind or shipbroken for parts and Titanium-A

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Im honestly amazed the reactor on the back half didnt go critical

spiral jewel
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I don't think any story has gone over what happened?

unique rune
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Trying to fix the front half of the Dawn back to working shape sounds like itā€™d be more effort than just building a whole new frigate. Final result would probably be structurally unsound too.

last anchor
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It crashed in the ocean. They got Thel out.
Thats its. What more is there to say?

dawn knot
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Maybe they want to save that rack of assault rifles in the corner

native gale
#

Or the BRs for that matter

stable flower
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Or maybe the SAWs

cobalt quiver
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What were the goals of the storm covenant?

dense falcon
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Pretty much use Forerunner tech to kill humans through unconventional methods

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Since the Didact also hated humans they joined forces during H4

obsidian thistle
royal whale
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Right the scorpion is classified as a light tank?

last anchor
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Main. UNSC has no confirmed light tanks yet

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Unless you count the Cobra but thatā€™s in a wierd place right now

polar viper
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Are ODSTs still a thing?
Like were they phased out or have we just not seen any?

dense falcon
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They're still in active service

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In the game, the Chief tells the Pelican's AI to locate UNSC tags and you can see many ODST tags drifting in space.

unknown.png
quartz beacon
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Wait, pelicans have AI?

humble yacht
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Likely a dumb AI

unique rune
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Pelican Echo-216 had some sort of support AI installed, presumably a dumb AI

stable flower
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I think one of the HVTs in Infinite wiped out an ODST platoon or something

visual orbit
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It was a brute captain

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I think it was balkarus

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What the most affective weapons against guardians

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Like mac guns, rhino tanks, gorespikes?

dense falcon
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I don't think anything has been shown to be able to destroy a Guardian. Only a Huragok has been able to disable it but that's it.

visual orbit
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I can imagine a forerunner weapon would be effective on a forerunner weapon

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Like a big cannon

high fox
drowsy mesa
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They even appear in the most recent Halo book

drowsy mesa
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and, with it, Guardians being active

humble yacht
stable flower
drowsy mesa
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Yes, I know that, but ot was just a remark to say the ODSTs still exist as an organized combat force (despise of what the community believes)

stable flower
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Oh okay

naive plinth
#

Fellas, today in 2552, Noble Six becomes "missing in action"

fierce talon
unreal marsh
#

Remember Reach

native gale
spiral forge
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I'm sure it's tougher in the lore but if we're going off of gameplay it's the worst tank ever lmao

scarlet hinge
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gameplay has never been representative of canon though, so it's fine

icy narwhal
manic moth
native gale
icy narwhal
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i ment the jump height but yeah that too

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also halo 4's ending

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theres so many examples

last anchor
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Think the tanks from Battlefront 1; rifles and stuff doesnt even scratch the paint half the time.

native gale
last anchor
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Even then, until Reach, most weapons werent useful against vehicles, other than killing the driver.
The fastest way to kill a tank was EMP-boarding.

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Well, and the rockets in 2 cause they tracked.

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Reach finally made it viable to use the sniper because the lore has stated its an AMR multiple times before and the ammo it uses was intended to punch through tanks in our world

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Reach also made teamfire a thing too so

versed helm
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"High velocity, armor piercing. They'll take the hat off an Elite at 200 yards. And they ain't cheap!"

drowsy mesa
versed helm
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All this time I thought he pulled a Bully Maguire My Back from that.

last anchor
#

Even with the reentry pack, Six took some battering...
AND THEN WALKED FOR LIKE A WEEK TO NEW ALEXANDRIA

native gale
humble yacht
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He might have had a fracture leg since he was limping

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But again, gameplay is not canon, fall deaths are a mechanic to make the game more difficult

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It has nothing to do with in universe fall effects

last anchor
#

In-universe MJLONIR would treat water in the same way that it does most things; stoicly adjust to handle the new situation.
(Insert awesome Pirates of the Caribbean underwater march of the Spartans here)

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Most models have at least an hour or two of air, plus filters for scrubbing.

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...I wonder, do you think the gel layer can help with BOYANCY?
Could a Spartan just...decide "Im goin up" and rise magestically to the surface because the suit adjusts their bouyancy to be postitive, like a submarine with full ballast tanks?

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Which leads to some other very terrifying visions, such as a Spartan assault operation on a floating "wet" vessel...

humble yacht
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Iā€™m not sure if thatā€™d be due to the gel layer

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The gelā€™s transition between hard and soft conformations probably isnā€™t due to gas

last anchor
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Hmm.
Back to the drawing board then...
Maybe its just as simple as pumping air into the suit at points or something similar.
Or if I had to guess the UNSC has combat diver packs (we know they exist thanks to MAKO and the Rakshasa chest piece from this season).

humble yacht
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Where would it get the air tho

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If youā€™re underwater you canā€™t just spontaneously create air. There is a limited air supply in the suit, sure, but if thatā€™s not enough to create buoyancy then I donā€™t see how you could change that property after already being underwater

last anchor
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Either from the reserve supply, or electrolysis via the fusion reactor in the back (since water is nothing but hydrogen and oxygen)

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Yes, its a bit silly but I assume the UNSC has...
Oh wait what the hell am I talking about, the Warthog does that to get fuel!

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You put whatever water you want into it and the system rips the hydrogen out to fuel it.

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Mind you that would require and external pack to house the equipment so that would probably be used under the "combat diver" stuff mentioned earlier.

teal ice
#

#TodayInHalo, in 2552, The Covenant arrive at Reach with an armada of over three-hundred vessels, the largest invasion fleet hitherto witnessed in the Covenant War, setting into motion the final stage of the planetā€™s devastating fall. Remember Reach.

high fox
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Remember reach

quartz beacon
unique rune
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whatā€™s reach

quartz beacon
valid hemlock
rancid cloud
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could someone sorta give me a dummy summary of what the harbingerā€™s deal was

quartz beacon
stable flower
#

Does Grunt body armor even protect them from anything?

dense falcon
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If it didn't then a bodyshot with a BR would kill them. They used to go to the battlefield without armor, but they changed that with the Grunt rebellion.

scarlet hinge
#

in the First World War when the British began introducing helmets, they noticed the amount of casualties their forces were suffering were starting to go up, and there was a subsection of the military campaigning to stop using them until someone pointed out the reason the casualties were going up was because deaths were going down

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if an artillery shell went off and sent mud and rocks and shrapnel flying into the air, a hit to the head that might flat-out kill you unprotected might only severely injure you - and let you be brought back to a medical centre for aid

drowsy mesa
scarlet hinge
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sort of yeah

versed helm
#

To the left of the spire in tip of the spear, whats with the giant arcing beam hidden behind the giant cliffs?

manic lark
#

So
I've just started halo infinites campaign today
And have questions about those Forerunner storage unit lookin things in the
Second(?) Level

Would this be the place to ask?

last anchor
last anchor
manic lark
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so, judging by the markings on them
does that mean forerunners created Elites and Grunts as well as humans?

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and a giant rat.

stable flower
#

Anybody else find it stupid how the Banished started killing their human troops in Divine Wind?

hazy shadow
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Yeah. Blaming humans for Cortana makes little sense to me.

unique rune
last anchor
#

We first saw them in Origins Part 1.
Basically, the cylix is a slipspace repository; anything inside it is stored outside of normal time and space, a superior form of stasis to cryo or similar. Whatevers inside is as safe as can possibly be made from everything, including the Halo Effect.

last anchor
barren bay
#

what happened to Bisenti from Fireteam Charlie?

dense falcon
limber barn
unique rune
#

He went to a farm upstate to run free through the fields with the other Marines in CE

orchid turret
#

We need proper Kig-Yar charactersā€¦

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All weā€™ve ever gotten is one dimensional stand-ins which barely make an appearance or are killed off immediately when thereā€™s so much more potential for them as a race.

#

Sig-Raan could have been so much moreā€¦

brazen grail
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If they had her join the Banished and have her be a prominent Kig-Yar element for the Banished early on and highlight that

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Hell, Writh Kul could've been really interesting if they didn't just waste her as boss fodder

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A brilliant naval strategist in the Covenant that destroyed countless UNSC vessels and was prominent in Tartarus' inner circle

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Completely shafted

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The encyclopedia heavily implies there's more than just 4 Hand of Atriox members and that there could be multiple Hand of Atriox groups in different regions. So hopefully we could see this Hand of Atriox skirmisher concept art as a character and maybe this time they won't waste them as boss fodder again.

quartz beacon
dawn torrent
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Is there a reason for the 2 versions of ODST armor? Is the version in 2 for like eva activities?

last anchor
#

Its not 2 versions.
Theres as many as seven or eight.

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We see five variations in Halo 3 ODST alone, of a single baseline model with modular addons.
Four variations in Fireteam Raven.

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Plus the H2 ones, the H3 ones, the Bullfrogs in Reach...

#

Simply put, "ODST armor" is a title that can cover hundreds of variations and upgrade packs, because this is the UNSC and why just make ONE THING

dawn torrent
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Iā€™m mainly referring to the halo 3 vs halo 2 versions

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Like the bullfrogs is pretty much h3 version

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Aesthetically

stable flower
#

I still don't like the double standard the Banished apply to humanity regarding hating them.

dawn torrent
#

Are there any other sof units besides the usual crew

#

Also what would the closest real life equivalent of the ODSTs?

last anchor
#

Nothing. ODSTs training puts even the hardest stuff in the modern world to shame.

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No force on Earth routinely trains to deploy from an orbiting ship via rocket launched metal coffin.

stable flower
#

Technically their real life equivalents are Marine Force Recon and British SAS

last anchor
#

Not even close.

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They're good. But ODST are better.
SAS doesnt train for zero g boarding actions.

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Or for orbital drops.

#

The kind of training ODSTs go through would make even SEALs sweat buckets.

stable flower
#

I mean that in the sense that they are futuristic versions of them

last anchor
#

Well yes, they're special forces. Every UNSC branch has them Im fairly certain.

#

Marines have the ODSTs, Army the Rangers, Navy has the Spartan-IIs via NavSpecWar

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Air Force probably still has Pararescue

versed helm
#

And donā€™t forget air assault

peak pilot
#

Hey idk if roleplays are like looked down upon or sum but Iā€™m planning on making a halo roleplay server and it sounds pretty cool in my head but Iā€™d love some general knowledge on the lore. if anyone wants to hear my ideas about it and help out dm me or @ me here

last anchor
#

Halopedia is your friend.
So is Halo fanon.

peak pilot
#

So lame tho

last anchor
#

Halo Fanon? You sure?

#

Im fairly certain they've got a better grasp on the lore than most people and theres plenty of crossover with Halopedia itself so

#

If you want general knowlage, Halopedias the way to go.
Unless you happen to have the Halo Encylopedia but thats another thing all together

stable flower
#

If the Banished are mercenaries, who hires them?

last anchor
#

The Banished are the customer; the mercenaries work for them

peak pilot
last anchor
#

No, just look over their stuff and you'll get a feeling for the universe

#

Easier than reading the books.

#

Whats the setting your aiming for

peak pilot
#

Spartan 2 era

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Itā€™s going to be an original story n all but yknow

last anchor
#

Thats where most RP takes place

#

Though "Spartan 2 era" means absolutely nothing by the way

#

That could be anything from 2511 when they were kidnapped to the current time post-Infinite

peak pilot
#

Oh I was assuming that meant around the origin of the spartan ll program

#

You personally since you obviously have a lot more knowledge than a regular halo fan, how do you feel about ppl making their own story with halo, even if it isnā€™t canon

last anchor
#

Thats what Halo Fanons for

#

Its an entire wiki devoted to that and that alone. Whole new characters, new planets, etc.

#

Its...kind of a given, for any series.
Half the characters in share your content are original ones. Is kinda the reason armor customization exists.

#

You make your Spartan in the game and then if you feel like it you give em a story.

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Ex; we have my Spartan-III from Beta Company who's been on his own since the Created uprising, more or less just kinda being a Lone Wolf like Dihn and his partner are.
With the main exception hes' been targeting Banished command and control and dismantling their packs where he finds them, before moving on.

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Also if you're doing an RP its going to kind of be a GIVEN, since the only other option is to play canon characters and that has its own issues.

dawn knot
#

Imma be one of those traxus workerd that get vaporized by those hunters on the storm when they break the door, and nobody can stop me

high fox
#

I am actually well under creation of my own fanon itā€™s about the crew of the UNSC Taco Truck (named after itā€™s massive Mac shells and amazing taco Tuesdays) they were tasked with tracking down the remaining forces on zeta halo when Infinity went down when they were attacked by banished forces attempting to cover their tracks

last anchor
#

Join the club

spice thistle
#

Lore wise, would it make sense for colonies to design their own tanks and vehicles to compete with and/or supplement UNSC military equipment?

#

Especially post war

versed helm
#

I want confirmation on this cause i got a lot of mixed opinions on this topic
Which is does spartans get paid
2's and 3's specifically

near tide
visual orbit
native gale
native gale
# spice thistle Lore wise, would it make sense for colonies to design their own tanks and vehicl...

Most of the Colonies' heavy equipment (both military and non-military) came from the UEG (or UNSC depending on the hardware). The whole point of them was to be doing resource extraction from planets or function as military planets. I guess it's not out of the question for a factory world that produces military hardware but some backwater farm world in the middle of nowhere won't be producing their own heavy machinery.

native gale
glossy current
#

Did the UNSC only built 2 Epoch-class heavy carriers? Or did they produce them in Greater numbers like the Poseidon class light carrier.

#

I heard 2 but is it true?

#

Also did the UNSC only built 3 Valiant-class Super-Heavy Cruiser?
Or produce them in Greater numbers

native gale
#

I would say use the lesser numbers because those things were freaking huge but idk there could have been more

high fox
#

On the topic of planets constructing their own hardware wouldnā€™t rebellions or resistances to the UNSC like showed in the show that must not be named because in the first episode you can see the madrigal resistance built some sort of warthog clone using a pickup truck

#

Also for my halo fanon what kind of ship would you recommend that has MAC guns and is slightly smaller than Infinity

visual orbit
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The closest thing to that would be those stations in halo 2

high fox
#

So no other ship in the UNSC scales close the infinity or has a Mac gun

native gale
#

The truck probably came from the UEG for mining equipment use but the minigun was definitely black market trade because the UNSC wouldn't give that heavy weaponry to colonists

high fox
#

Good to know

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Also about my ship is there a ship in the UNSC that fits its description

stable flower
#

The Gao Republic has its own military and "domestic" weapons.

native gale
fading arrow
last anchor
last anchor
unique rune
#

ā€¦Are there seriously people who believe that?

versed helm
#

Hey so Iā€™m currently reading Halo: The Fall Of Reach, and I found a line saying: Private Cochran Laying at the corporalā€™s feet, cradling his gut with blood-smeared hands. Heā€™d caught fire during the ambush. The aliens used some kind of projectile weapon that fired long, thin needles-which exploded seconds after impact.

Is the book referencing the needle rifle or needler? If itā€™s the needle rifle thatā€™s awesome.

Page 204

unique rune
#

Needler. Book predates even Halo CE by a couple months, so the Needle Rifle probably wasnā€™t a thing in Nylundā€™s mind at the time.

stable flower
#

Wasn't the Covenant corvette featured in that book?

#

Also Seraphs and Elite Rangers?

near tide
abstract wren
regal spade
abstract wren
#

it is

#

a shame we didn't had a canon fodder to regroup all the infos

stable flower
#

Why didn't High Charity have internal automated defenses like automated turrets?

willow tendon
unique rune
#

I meanā€¦

  1. weā€™ve barely seen any of High Charityā€™s internal facilities
  2. why would they need automated defenses inside? by and large they have little reason to expect intruders and in the event there is one theyā€™ve got a pretty considerable chunk of the Covenant military stationed there
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not to mention the Covenant in general was wary of artificial intelligence systems, I doubt theyā€™d put their trust in one to handle weapons inside their holy city

#

and compunding that
automation is useful for lots of things but a computer is only as smart as the person who designed it
false positives or negatives could be terrible for an automated weapons system without a sentient being there to correct for them

willow tendon
unique rune
#

Not like a handful of guns that are capable of self-aiming would do much against a Flood infestation

willow tendon
unique rune
#

ā€¦High Charity had already crashed into the Ark in Halo 3?

#

It can move at a clip, whether by the same funny Precursor magicks the Gravemind abused to get it to the Ark or just under the power of its own repurposed Forerunner engines.

native gale
cobalt quiver
#

Do the Mark VB versions of Mark V and Mark VI helmets have extra names to them? Like Alpha, Delta etc?

stable flower
obsidian thistle
#

If they do. They never been given

unique rune
dim sand
#

Speaking of halo 2 whatever happened to anders and the rest of the crew once halo infinite started ngl the start of the campaign was so depressing because we never know what happens after the end of halo wars 2

stable flower
#

Knowing 343, they'll explain it in a book.

dim sand
# stable flower Knowing 343, they'll explain it in a book.

They better not do that Iā€™ll literally cry Iā€™ve been waiting years just to see if anders is ok I just want one cutscene thatā€™s like ā€œhi guys Iā€™m alive, o and my crew are stuck on the ark with the flood from halo 3ā€

stable flower
#

So is Guilty Spark still looking for the Librarian?

dense falcon
#

Nope, he found what he was looking for. Now he's the new monitor of a Shield World.

stable flower
#

Oh and it turns out Snowbound is set on Strilun IV

obsidian thistle
visual orbit
#

The absolute record

#

Maybe || Cortana || used it to find the guardians

unreal holly
magic wagon
#

Can anyone tell me what happened to halsey after ghosts of onyx and before halo 4.
And did she show up again before that?

vague lintel
#

she aint dead is she?

hot frigate
#

Maybe

#

Jk

stable flower
#

Plans change.

slim thorn
#

Apart from UNSC Infinity, the only part that I didn't understand is Roland's whereabout. He's supposed to be staying at Infinity at all costs (Since he's a Primary Shipboard AI), and probably have someone escort him out when Lasky orders the crew to abandon ship at Installation 07.

obsidian thistle
#

(As a side note: When held hostage by Jul. Halsey helped ONI access that archive and thats one reason ONI was slightly prepared for the Guardians in HtT Season 2 and a tiny bit of Halo 5.)

thick fog
#

Yo

#

Anyone

#

So umm I got a idea

uneven acorn
#

Lets hear it vro

last anchor
#

That or destroyed sometime during the assault

magic wagon
cobalt quiver
#

At what point in the Zeta conflict was Cortana locked down?

gilded mason
stable flower
#

What I wanna know is why did Cortana go to Zeta alone?

#

Without Prometheans on the ground

visual orbit
#

She wouldn't need them with a guardian at her side

stable flower
#

She kinda shot herself in the foot doing that though, as they could've protected her from Atriox. Hell she could've brought Warden Eternal there, seeing as he's like her enforcer.

cobalt quiver
#

perhaps being locked down removed her ablility to call for them

magic wagon
#

Man i need to play halo 5 again

stable flower
#

I wonder if there's a BR65

magic wagon
#

Huh maybe

hushed trail
#

or did they just skip 65

#

like how microsoft did with windows 9

carmine sleet
#

I kinda wish the one in Infinite was the 65 since it looks closer to the 55 than the 85

native gale
#

I wish they just used whatever model was in Halo 2 because that was the best one hands down. It even fairly accurately represented an actual burst fire gun. The burst is supposed to be quick, not slow

carmine sleet
#

How fast a burst is a balance thing

native gale
#

Ik but the faster was better, but still was okay balance-wise. I think having the better AR really helps with balance overall

modest bobcat
#

Just remembered how Halo: Escalations killed off Black Team and Iā€™m getting mad about it again. What a clownshoes decision to make.

#

Like not that Black Team was super important but it still just seems super random to kill off a named squad of what is a really finite resource in the setting.

orchid turret
#

I had a very weird dream in which me and two Daedra from TES had a passionate debate on whether the Sangheili are vegetarian or not.

#

I feel like someone did something to me.

last anchor
#

I can confirm they are not. Take a look at their mouth; Im not even sure they could be if they wanted too, those teeth are made for tearing off meat

orchid turret
#

I never said they were, I just said I argued with a nonexistent pair of characters.

#

I was the one saying they were almost certainly carnivorous.

white ingot
#

can one of the rings ever be blown up in the main story?

unique rune
#

ā€¦You mean like the one that gets blown up in the very first game?

#

And then we do it again to its incomplete replacement in Halo 3?

native gale
orchid turret
#

Bruh.

stable flower
unique rune
#

I mean, werenā€™t parts of Escalation intended to be part of Spartan Ops?
But SpOps wasnā€™t as successful as planned so things ended up reshuffled and plot threads had to get moved around.

I feel like I canā€™t really blame 343 for some of the decisions they make when putting stuff in novels and extended universe media when fan reaction to stuff in games so often skews so vocally negative for being ā€œtoo complicatedā€ or whatever.

hazy shadow
#

I think I still have yet to read through Escalation, even though I've read almost literally everything else at this point. SpOps definitely should have received more love, it was the biggest thing missing from MCC honestly.

modest bobcat
#

Spartan Ops didnā€™t get more love because 343i itself did not put enough resources into it, imo. It was seen as a niche gamemode (which, admittedly, it was) and it was given two sticks. And a rock. And the six or so devs working on Spartan Ops had to share the rock.

visual orbit
modest bobcat
#

But, uh, as a Reach superfan, I love Spartan Ops conceptually. I really like being My Own Guy. Spartan Ops just does not have enough new to offer and is way too long at 50 missions.

sonic lagoon
#

Do feral people or other feral sentient species exist?

vale mountain
modest bobcat
#

But Spartan Ops had no set pieces, maybe a couple new maps but I might be completely wrong on that.

#

It was totally bland. So inoffensive as to be totally offensive.

vale mountain
#

Yeah but they didn't overstay their welcome and the maps were actually made for the enemy placements

modest bobcat
#

Yeah, exactly.

#

Also Spartan Ops has cranked difficulty and overwhelming enemy numbers because itā€™s balanced around the fact that you literally canā€™t lose.

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So thereā€™s no rhythm to the mode and its levels. If you die then no big deal.

stable flower
#

Gold Fuel Rod Gun Elites are the only real hassle tbh

visual orbit
pliant grotto
#

What Color are Rtas Vadum's Elites in Halo 2?
When they are on the Phantom they look silver/gunmetal
When they are get off the Phantom the look light Blue
When they are about to enter the main bulding they look light purple, almost Lavender

gilded mason
#

It's just a matter of lighting. They're always purple

pliant grotto
#

Hmmmm did he have a few Spec Ops officers with him then?

#

Wiki says Purple armor ih Halo 2 and 3 for normal Spec ofs I mean

unique salmon
vale mountain
stable flower
#

I wonder if Infinity could get an upgrade seed.

boreal bane
boreal bane
slim thorn
last anchor
#

Would be nice

fair hazel
#

Canon fodder!

last anchor
#

They canonized the ungodly Jackal Snipers. The madlads

#

Whats a "veritable" combat unit?
Not "venerable"? That a misspelling?

fair hazel
#

Endurance of will though

unknown.png
last anchor
#

I wondered if that could be her.

#

The second pair of Hunters on Silent Cartographer must be new too, I dont remember them being mentioned by name.
The first two you fight on the "can opener", yeah, those had names (and apparently one had a spine(?!) that Chief broke with a 102mm rocket), but I dont remember the second two

fair hazel
#

New. I like that Horatius was elevated too

last anchor
#

I do NOT remember them having styles to fighting either, but...then again most fights against Hunters in CE are two-stepped with ease sooooo

#

Wish they could have explained the gold hunters from ODST.

tough heron
stable flower
white ingot
#

ok guys I'm just going to come forward and say it

last anchor
#

They didnt have a name or title, they were just "jackal snipers from Halo 2"

#

Or I gues technically "Jackal Snipers" since H3s werent anywhere near as bad.

stable flower
#

I'm saying because they were mentioned in the description for that one Beam Rifle variant in Halo 5

obsidian thistle
#

They be two of the many named characters in Halo: The Flood

#

(That being one of the rare decent Lekgolo lore moments we got that wasnt just combat focused.)

last anchor
#

True

terse sage
#

is the UNSC Eternity completed yet?

stable flower
#

AFAIK, no

terse sage
#

you talking to me?

unique rune
#

Eternity was incomplete prior to the Created takeover and had modules cannibalized for a refit of the Infinity and... considering the current state of the galaxy I very much doubt the UNSC has had the time to finish it.

stable flower
#

Yes

high fox
#

Wait are green energy swords canon because I have mega bloks one and wanted to know

obsidian thistle
#

Nothing says they cant. And I think it was in a Canon Fodder

unique rune
#

Yeah, first time the green Necroplasma skin for the Energy Sword in H3-MCC was shown was in a Canon Fodder article.

last anchor
#

Makes sense, really, the plasma stream is still intact, its merely an addition to it.

visual orbit
stable flower
#

I wonder why Cortana didn't enslave the Drones

high fox
#

Probably to weak for her taste

versed helm
#

did the forerunners ever use the massive things in hw2?

#

also, since there was prometheans, what did the flood feed off of?

hazy shadow
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The massive things in HW got blown up, and the whole point of the Prometheans was to have a fighting force that couldn't be eaten by the Flood, but that doesn't mean there weren't other things for them to feed on

obsidian thistle
terse sage
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why didn't the forerunners use the shield worlds? they were an effective way to quarantine and stay safe from the halo rings

unique rune
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Because their plan was to die off and recede from the galaxy as punishment for their failure as protectors of the galaxy.

shut steppe
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Also an asteroid could hit the shield world and free the aliens

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@terse sage

last anchor
finite pagoda
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Hello?

short plank
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For context a M1 Abrams has a 120mm

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Oh nvm itā€™s just a massive error. The name is M370 and shoots 70mmā€¦I was about to say, no way in heck that could work.

stable flower
#

Human weapons in Halo use very powerful calibers

finite pagoda
#

So I have some questions about the Precursors

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What happened after they, if want of a better term, ā€œbreededā€ life into the universe?

carmine lily
#

What are the Elite naming conventions?

terse sage
#

So I have some conflicting information. Halo Reach says that it took months for Reach to fall, while FoR says a couple days

cosmic siren
#

How sangheili make babies

dense falcon
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They're oviparous.
End of discussion.

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And you already asked that months ago...

last anchor
#

I thought that was someone else.

last anchor
cosmic siren
manic bridge
# carmine lily What are the Elite naming conventions?

Every keep has a name, and that name is used in the 'last name' of each person. For example, the Arbiter was from Vadam keep, so thus his name is Thel Vadam. But when you become a shipmaster, you rate the honorific 'ee attached to your keep name. So when the Arbiter got his own ship circa 2535, his name changed to Thel Vadamee'

versed helm
#

SPI??

tidal sonnet
#

what difference would the spartans make when the covenant had much superior ships?

gilded mason
#

Not much, really

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They were able to do some high risk missions to make minor to moderate supply disruptions, but nothin that would really impede the steady march.

plain wigeon
finite pagoda
plain wigeon
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Then 100k years later their remains were used in domestication practices and resulted in the creation of the Flood

plain wigeon
magic wagon
manic bridge
#

@magic wagon youre right. I was mistaken it is for military service

magic wagon
#

thought so thanks

primal anvil
last anchor
#

Not Halopedia

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Think Iā€™m good

magic wagon
stable flower
#

Let is a weird name for an Elite

humble yacht
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Mario 'Itsamee

last anchor
#

Oh god

obsidian thistle
obsidian thistle
#

There is no Elite, Only Zule.

frail vigil
#

Zeta Halo is one of the most interesting locations in the Halo universe. What's your favorite?

last anchor
#

Onyx

sharp silo
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The Arks

fast finch
#

whats the canon damage output guns in Halo games would have? Like, how many shots from say an AR would it take to take out an elite major's shields? Or how many plasma rifle shots would it actually take to take down a brute

obsidian thistle
#

Honestly would depend on the scenario and a lotta factors

last anchor
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Would we consider the real-world equivilent ammo to be a solid baseline or did we agree Misrah made better propellant at some point int he furutre?

high fox
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Well they made Spartans and the magnum pistol is proven to launch small explosive projectiels so its safe to assume that they made better weapons

last anchor
#

Your thinking of the Hydra. SAP-HE is still a bullet.

magic wagon
#

They referred to them as explosive projectiles in halo: the flood

terse sage
#

Why do humans still use vehicles like the Warthog in 2560? I feel like even in the modern day vehicles like that would perform poorly

dense falcon
#

What would you think it's more logical and cheap?

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Also take into account that future motors work with hydrogen

scarlet quiver
#

How about a hog, but with spherical wheels?

last anchor
#

Where would they get motive force from?

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Wider surface area means less overall traction too

scarlet quiver
#

šŸ¤” true
Well, all i gotta say is that the hog is perfect, and that is why they still use them.
Except for the Infinite version.

hazy shadow
#

M6D shoots explosive shells, that's part of the reason they moved away from it.

last anchor
#

Technically, all M6 series fire the same ammo; 12.7x40mm SAP-HE

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The B, C, D, G H and H2 all fire the same ammo

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Also, the D is still in use; we just dont see it in game.

stable flower
#

The M6C I believe is the only M6 that doesn't use explosive ammo

stable flower
last anchor
#

I mean, its a pistol, its not like you cant put specialty ammo into it or not.

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If your talking about the nerf between CE and H2 that was game balance. The ammo is canonically the same

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Actually if Im not mistaken canonically Chief weilds an M6D during the Battle of New Mombasa, circa Palace Hotel

fair hazel
#

reverted stuff due to 'not classic enough'

last anchor
#

We still got the Hydra, and the Railguns not missing.

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Presumably much of the higher-end tech has simply been put "on hold" until the Created were dealth with and once that gets cleaned up (and the Banished are swept undre the rug), we'll start to see a secondary leap as all of the tech the Created unlocked is accessed and cataloged

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Theres that wrist attachment in Infinite for MK VII that literally says its a Forerunner tech bit strapped on, plus Project Stepsweep (whatever that is)

stable flower
#

It saddens me because I liked the post-war equipment introduced in 4 and 5.

fair hazel
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Me too

last anchor
#

It hasnt gone away; its just not in Infinite right now.

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Rubicon mentions several not-in-game weapons.
The UNSC doesnt throw things away.
But being unable to use them in game...yes, that is frustrating.

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I miss the Railgun.

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And Im still kind of iffy on the balance to the Hydra. It felt fine in H5, yeah it wasnt great against vehicles but that was fine.

fair hazel
#

It's been over a month

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hydra was anti-personel

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Now we can discuss rubicon protocol here by the way

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But yeah how I enjoyed murphy using the energy bayonet

last anchor
#

The MA5K showing up literally out of NOWHERE after having vanished since Ghosts of Onyx was most excellent

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Also the fact the MA40 isnt mentioned (that I remember at all) means that the MA5D was still in Infinity's racks.

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And I think the S5 sniper shows up too.

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Same with the M395. They're all still out there, we just dont see em in game.

#

Speaking of the Hydra...
All of the stuff on it is presumably canon.
So whats URNA Seattle Complex...was the MLRS-2 made before the Created came to power?

visual orbit
#

Yes

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It was made before than

last anchor
#

See thats interesting, cause its design feels like an intentional step back to simplicity to handle the loss of much of the UNSCs production capability.
But if it was made before the Created happened...whats the reason behind the simplification?
Or was it an intentional adjustment, a modification.

shell mango
#

In real world reasons it was probably to fit infinites art style

charred reef
#

I just realized the canon size for the Skitterer is comically large, I feel like it must be a mistake. Over twice the size of the Scorpion is just bonkers.

dense falcon
#

That can't be possible

charred reef
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That's what I'm sayin

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71.5 feet long

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or 21.8 meters

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Even the width is 22.2 meters and 73 ft

dense falcon
#

Yeah, when I read the tank is only 7x10 I said, something HAS to be wrong

charred reef
#

That's like the width of the Phantom

dense falcon
#

Maybe they misplaced the . and they're actually a 2x2 vehicle

charred reef
#

That would be the simplest explanation but I feel like the scale is still a bit off by moving the decimal over

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Definitely much closer to what I expected though

serene rain
#

Still can't believe how dirty 343 did the Infinity

gilded mason
#

And I dearly thank 343 for that

last anchor
#

Sometimes houses need cleaning.

stable flower
#

I don't believe how dirty they did the Banished

twin pendant
#

here is some lore, no one cares because it is not useful in life

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no one cares about video game lore because IT IS NOT USEFUL

last anchor
#

Heres hoping we get more lore stuff in Season 4.
We're getting SPI for a reason...I hope.

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Headhunter season? We got the Lone Wolves, maybe we'll see Headhunters next.

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Or the Ferrets, that'd be lit.

fast finch
high fox
#

If you donā€™t like video games thatā€™s you

fast finch
#

hey guys one question

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do we know how big warhosts are

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I also find odd how Elite Generals command Legions, which seem to be bigger than warhosts, but warhosts are supposedly commanded by field masters who outrank generals?

scarlet hinge
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they're analagous to the real-world concept of a task force

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a legion is a permanent unit assignment, whereas a warhost is assembled on an ad-hoc basis for a single mission or campaign

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a general can be granted the title of field master when given charge of a Warhost

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so Field Masters hold the rank of General - they're not a separate rank in of themselves

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but because of all this, the size of a Warhost has no particular designation; they can be as large or as small as the available forces and objectives require/necessitate

fast finch
#

ah I see

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thanks for clearing that up

mortal solar
#

wtff guys, it was mandicant bias all along

stable flower
#

The Created conflict being shelved was insulting, and the Banished's reason for hating humanity is poorly contrived.

hazy shadow
#

Agreed. It could have used a better outlet for getting people who actually care about the storyline caught up before the game started.

terse lava
#

I can somewhat buy the Banished under Eschrum hating humans due to Doisac's fate. How much Atriox himself now despises the species, who knows

dense falcon
#

I wouldn't blame the Brutes on hating humanity for indirectly destroying their homeworld. Especially since they don't have any other colonies.

last anchor
#

I thought they did. Encylopedia says they have a couple.

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They had stuff on their moons and a couple of them out-system.

hazy shadow
# dense falcon I wouldn't blame the Brutes on hating humanity for indirectly destroying their *...

Explain to me where that story is told in a way that someone who only plays the games knows what you're talking about? Nothing against the expanded universe writers, but I've read almost all the books and I still couldn't answer this question and that's why it's weak as a reason for an entirely new faction that previously barely had a reason to hate us to all of a sudden basically want to exterminate humanity.

stable flower
#

They don't hate the Grunts even though they submitted to the Created

spiral jewel
#

When it comes to the grunt running The yappening, what major battles did the unggoy serve in?

magic wagon
fair hazel
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Thereā€™s still humans in the banished though

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Even banished humans on zeta

dense falcon
gilded mason
hazy shadow
dense falcon
last sun
#

bruh

stable flower
#

Someone should tell him that the Grunts declared their allegiance to the Created

dense falcon
#

They also pledged to work for the Covenant Remnant out of fear. The species ended up working with anyone.

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Likewise, many grunts are there voluntarily, others may have been forced due to the need for cannon fodder, etc

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I'd also like to think that since Cortana blew up, the aid to balaho ended and they had to do whatever to make ends meet

magic wagon
#

What is thee created

cedar tinsel
#

Wait so noble 6 is the confirmed son of the chief and rookie is his brother?

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So the demon had two kids???

gilded mason
#

Yes, and the Arbiter is his other parent.

cedar tinsel
#

Cap

visual orbit
#

Who is the grandma and grandpa

gilded mason
visual orbit
#

Splendid dust?

gilded mason
versed helm
#

Wow there are a lot of halo nerds in this chat

magic wagon
#

How would one add the military 'ee to the end of jul 'madama?

shell tartan
#

Jul ā€˜Madamaee

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Itā€™s just added to their ā€œsurnameā€

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Thel ā€˜Vadamee
Rtas ā€˜Vadumee

obsidian thistle
#

Probably a lotta caveats and stuff we'd never be privy to unless told outright.

serene pulsar
versed helm
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Cause I used to play, thatā€™s it

last anchor
#

Specifically this is the lore and universe chat, where the most devoted and high of all Halo fans end up

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To play multiplayer is to know. To explore the lore is to BE

magic wagon
high fox
heady geyser
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I hope the campaign dlc expands on halo infinite legendary ending

stable flower
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If we're actually getting one

last anchor
#

Id be shocked if we didnt in some form or another honestly

heady geyser
#

I mean idk which ending theyā€™ll expand on chief on the other part on the ring or the endless

fair hazel
dense falcon
#

Is the Warden really going to continue where Cortana left off without any modifications or backsies?

last anchor
#

Iā€™m curious about that myself. Why wasnā€™t he with her on Zeta? Pretty sure he could have whacked Atriox into the Great Journey solo

sick wren
#

Ok weird question is there any reason why the drones explode when they die via head shot ?

stable flower
#

Warden's absence is contrived, along with a lot of other things in Infinite

fast finch
#

Do we know if there were Storm Elites within the Fleet of Particular Justice?

last anchor
#

Incorrect rank, for the most part.

obsidian thistle
#

Storm is more akin to a role. So its possible.

fast finch
#

Storm seems to be a term used for Covenant Shock Troopers

obsidian thistle
#

Thats the current understanding yes

fast finch
#

Since Storm infantry appears to be the bulk of the two major covenant remnant factions post H3 (SoS and Mdama), then one would think that Storm Covies were actually not that uncommon during the war right?

astral crypt
#

I love seeing fellow lore nerds, have yā€™all read or listened to all the books?

last anchor
#

Yes

astral crypt
#

Iā€™m currently on Halo: Battle born meridian divide. Once I finish the remaining ones after this, I want to jump into the graphic novels. How many are there? I was confused on where to start with them.

last anchor
#

Most of them aren't entirely connected so you should be fine about anywhere.

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But the first one released was Uprising, which bridges the end of Halo 2 with the start of Halo 3

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Several of them are just comic adaptations of the books (specifically the Fall of Reach ones)

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Escalation helps bridge Halo 4 and Halo 5

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Initiation covers Sarah Palmers origins and the Spartan-IV program.

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The rest are mostly just stand alones

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The Graphic Novel is also a good place to start, thats TECHNINCALLY the first one they released actually (Before Uprising)

astral crypt
#

Awesome, thank you! I appreciate the info!

fast finch
#

fun book so far

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recently regained my interest in Halo

#

and decided to check out some of its Expanded Universe lore

astral crypt
fast finch
#

Yeah its basically CE yeah, still an interesting read

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Im just reading the first 3 books

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Fall of Reach, The Flood and First Strike

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Fall of Reach was so fun

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made me like Keyes a lot

astral crypt
#

Yeah, Keyes is an awesome character, I really like how much they fleshed him out.

stable flower
#

The title is a little misleading but it expands the Battle of Installation 04

fast finch
#

Keyes also had some gigachads moments

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like when he killed the Stealth Elite

astral crypt
#

He saw through that camo

mossy cove
#

I still don't get why truth decided to declare war on the elites

#

I get the changing of the guard, they failed to protect regret, so he didn't trust them to be the honor guard anymore

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But why kick them out?

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Why would you betray a loyal band of powerful warriors as the tide of war slowly turns against you

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I get that truth's fatal flaw was hubris, but still

stable flower
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Because monke see, monke do

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i.e. They wanted stupider followers to lead the Covenant's military

mossy cove
#

But why would they want the people in charge of their protection to be idiots?

nova basalt
#

See I'm not sure if this is true but the way I saw it was the Elites were just failing to impress the prophets with the loss of the first Halo Ring, not being able to kill Chief and the Heretic in Halo 2

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Course I could be wrong with this as well

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Could very much be "monke see, monke do" and get dumber more loyal followers

craggy sierra
mossy cove
#

But, why?

#

He was gonna write the brutes out too with the ark

craggy sierra
#

Because he viewed the possibility of the elites being ascended into god hood

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Basically he thought brutes were too stupid and barbaric to be considered by the forerunners as fit for ascension

mossy cove
#

I heard something about elites growing to respect humans for their warrior spirit and wanting to get them to surrender and induct them into the covenant, and a faction of them grew in the high council, and truth wanted the peace faction silenced

mossy cove
craggy sierra
#

He did not

mossy cove
#

He wanted to fire the ark so only he would be safe and he'd rebuild the universe in his own image, with him as a god

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The whole reason for the war was to genocide humans to cover up the truth about the rings they stumbled upon

craggy sierra
#

There was literally a ring at the ark ready to kill him and if that didn't kill him, the brutes would after being lied to about their goals.

mossy cove
#

But the ark is how you survive the rings

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You're safe there

craggy sierra
#

There was a ring at the ark

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No you weren't

#

The ark was just the central control for the rings and the means for him to achieve his goal. But it's fully explained in the broken circle how he drank the kool-aid completely. Tbh part of the reason why the story is just him wanting to ascend to god hood is on Halo 3 for ruining his character.

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I could buy Halo 2 truth having ulterior motive. Halo 3 truth being an unhinged ranting lunatic raving about how he's going to meet his gods kinda ruins it.

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Anyways this is all explicitly spelled out in Broken Circle

nova basalt
#

Man Halo 2 Truth was so cool

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still love him in Halo 3 but not as much

craggy sierra
#

He's literally unrecognizable in both character, motivation, and literally voice in Halo 3.

nova basalt
#

Yeah why was the VA changed actually?

craggy sierra
#

Like I think normal truth died on the trip to earth and his special cousin took over the throne or somrthing. It's like the only explanation.

nova basalt
#

I always just took it as since he was closer to the ark and his goal he just became a crazy lunatic like every villain does when they see something ancient still work

craggy sierra
#

It doesn't work

nova basalt
#

Well yes and no I'm more referring to the part where he can activate all the rings from one spot

craggy sierra
#

Cause Halo 2 builds him up as having ulterior motive that 3 just scraps. It literally removes layers from his character and turns him into a cartoon.

nova basalt
#

Yeah I'm sure they wanted to write him as he was in Halo 2 but it would've probably just taken too much time away from Chief and such

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Though I'm not entirely sure of the reason

craggy sierra
#

That's dumb when chief barely speaks in the entire game

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I think Halo 3 deciding to focus on the chief and not even do anything with him as a character while hot off the heels with the Arbiter in H2 is 3's biggest short coming.

nova basalt
#

I still love Halo 3's story but I can see why I would've liked more with Arbiter, Truth and some of the dialogue is a bit odd

craggy sierra
#

Chief literally says 2 words to Arby in the entire runtime of the game. Arby himself gets reduced to just a bland intel giver outside of like one scene which sucks when he carried all of 2's emotional weight.

nova basalt
#

Yeah that's fair, I still think because it was the finale of the original Halo trilogy they wanted to focus on where it began with Cortana and Chief but like I said more things could've been fleshed out

craggy sierra
#

I think that's bad

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Fundamentally bad to have said after Halo 2 "this universe revolves around chief"

nova basalt
#

Well no I mean just the story of that trilogy does revolve around Chief but I wouldn't say that's the message they were going for

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But I do see where you're coming from with it

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And they tried to get away from Chief with other games to make it seem like the universe doesn't revolve around him

craggy sierra
#

Like if they wanted to focus on chief they should have given him a chemistry dynamic with the Arbiter. Just having him be a mute in like most of the scenes not reacting to people, including the other guy who was literally half of Halo 2's story is just dumb.

nova basalt
#

I also think that's because they wanted both to be a vessel for the players since they might not say much to each other but it's more of "what's going on in your head player X"

craggy sierra
#

Arbiter never talks to chief in Halo 3. He talks at him because chief never responds or seems to care. It's actually really easy to start reading him as just being rude and obstinate.

nova basalt
#

That's fair I never really saw it as that since you are chief and it's kinda tricky to write around that but still make chief his own character

craggy sierra
nova basalt
#

Yeah that's what I mean by it was tricky to make both work

craggy sierra
#

You literally can't

nova basalt
#

Well you can but your character just has to speak quickly and should say something relating to what you're probably thinking about at the time

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It's hard to explain

unique rune
#

Writing a character as a character is completely at odds with the idea of "writing" them as an empty self-insert shell

nova basalt
#

But I will end it there because I'm tired, it was fun talking with you mate and I hope you enjoy your day/night

nova basalt
#

Anyways

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Gn everyone

cobalt quiver
#

Did we ever figure out how dare escaped her pod and did all that stuff

last anchor
#

No

cobalt quiver
#

yeesh

stable flower
#

Maybe 343 will explain it in a book

fast finch
#

Guys I have a question

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are the spartan clones mentioned in the ce map chiron canon or not?

gilded mason
#

Non-canon

fast finch
sonic lagoon
#

What is the biggest non-popular faction? A faction never focused on in a book or game?

visual orbit
last anchor
#

They got a book

dense falcon
#

That group of Elites that thought the Flood were also a Forerunner creation and wanted to let themselves get infected

stable flower
#

Sesa's heretics

gilded mason
#

Perhaps The Heresy of the Chosen.

versed helm
#

Guys

#

Did master cheif completely lose his humanity or does he still have a glimpse of it

gilded mason
#

He's reserved, but he's still plenty human.

versed helm
#

Noted

normal ice
#

I haven't really seen a Grunt, Jackal, and even a Hunter Flood Form before. Why's that?

manic sigil
normal ice
#

He's just like half Flood

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And conscious

manic sigil
#

Honestly? I have no clue. Maybe it was the Graveminds sick version of humor and irony, the Gravemind keeping him alive to see the atrocities he had began. Take that with a grain of salt tho, that's just how I see it

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It is probably more likely that the San'Shyuum have some funky genetics due to their generations of inbreeding, making it difficult for the Flood to rewrite their genetic code.

manic sigil
normal ice
#

That's a nice explanation

manic sigil
#

Thank you very much

normal ice
#

Yes

manic sigil
#

I'm coming up with this Unggoy Crap as I go, so I appreciate your tolerance of my last three braincells putting the lore together with duct tape and used gum

craggy sierra
#

I think the Gravemind just has agency over how hosts get converted

manic sigil
#

We all see it differently because there was never an airtight explanation of why it lived, but yes, that might be the reason behind it.

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Ok but hear me out;

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Until the Covenant came along, my headcanon is that the Brutes lived like the gorillas in that one movie, Planet of the Apes

scarlet hinge
#

the explanation given above is largely based on a misconception

#

there's no real reason why they can't be converted - in the novel The Flood, a character who has just encountered the Flood for the first time makes some vague speculations on the matter

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but later lore hasn't really supported or followed up on it, making her suggestions just incorrect

manic sigil
#

If lore hasn't followed up on it, the speculations are neither correct or incorrect

scarlet hinge
#

McKay speculates that Jackals and Grunts cannot be turned into combat forms) - a then-convenient excuse for why they weren't in the game (despite being planned - they were just cut enemies for time)

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they've since shown up in plenty of other media, and we've seen creatures much smaller turned into combat forms

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conclusion: McKay was simply wrong about an enemy she'd fought for all of half an hour, once

#

she was a fantastic field officer for company - she was not a xenobiologist, and she was essentially speculating based on nothing

#

again, the idea that they couldn't be infected singularly comes from this source and has been almost entirely ignored in later media

#

halo fans have a bit of a problem in general with not understanding that just because a character says a thing, that doesn't necessarily mean the thing being said is true

manic sigil
dark coyote
#

wats going on...

#

?

last anchor
#

We see the Flood do weird stuff with nonsentient creatures anyway, like in the Final Voyage of the Infinite Succor, where we see a creature with mutliple assault rifles melded into its arms.

boreal bane
#

Pardoned that for you Orca

last anchor
#

Thank

astral crypt
#

Iā€™d really like to see the flood infect the Sharquoi, thatā€™d make a cool form.

versed helm
#

The gravemind can flood in me any day

stable flower
#

Have the UNSC suffered green-on-blue attacks from the Swords of Sanghelios?

hushed trail
#

greetings

last anchor
royal whale
#

If the flood infected mosquitoes, Earth would be doomed

fast finch
#

That story has one of my favorite interpretations of the flood

last anchor
#

Its canon. The Flood can and WILL do that should the field require it.
Physical form is no real constraint to the Flood once it has enough biomass on hand.

last anchor
royal whale
#

Looks like I'll be safe from the flood then

fast finch
last anchor
#

Thatā€™s the canon for it

fast finch
#

Makes me think that if a hunter dies, surely all those worms could be absorbed to produce say a juggernaut. And if so, it'd be really cool if the juggernaut had one of their cannons