general-chat

[zinc bear]

tbh from what ive played of COD i did love nuketown alot. 4v4 would be interesting on bf6

[mortal jacinth]

Thank you bro

[zinc bear]

i dont know any maps other than that really lol

and also from what ive seen of COD, the maps arent bad. its mainly the gameplay and fanbase that isnt for me. thats why having it in BF6 would be cool and a fun thing to experiment with.

[fluid patio]

Hi guys

I love halo

[zinc bear]

what does this even mean lol

[neon halo]

Bo2 maps were amazing

[dense stag]

What happened in the first age of reclamation

[elder pier]

Olá

[dense stag]

What was covenant doing before they knew about halo

and humanity

[blazing cave]

becoming the covenant

[vagrant kettle]

Expanding their empire

[neon halo]

Existing

[lilac walrus]

hi

[silver arch]

They really wouldn't have not known what the halos were. The prophets whole shtick was convincing every race to join on the basis that they, and every race deemed worthy, would be there at the end of the great journey and reach their supposed enlightenment.

[blazing cave]

What amazes me tho is that the covenant didn’t learn the maximum potential of forerunner tech

[vagrant kettle]

They worshipped it but didn’t 100% adapt it

[silver arch]

Tbf they also spent most of their time worshipping it and treating much of it like holy artifacts. They did do a great job in a lot of other aspects tho. Their ships are insanely high tech.

[blazing cave]

i supposed they also relied heavily on the engineers huh?

[silver arch]

A single MAC on a human ship doesn't do anything to a shielded covie ship meanwhile a single plasma lance can utterly annihilate a halcyon class

[silver arch]

Yes that too, in fact, I'm pretty sure that's half the reason why they exist

[tawny raptor]

I like history and my opinion is that fiction doesn't represent the progression of historical societies very well like Hegel or Engels described

Basically a society of rational beings has a progressive unavoidable advancement because any society that collectively acquires more knowledge about the world and transmits it more freely will conquer another one

So Halo's covenant doesn't really make sense from this framework because its structure contradicts the long term game theory of civilization as a concept

But it's just a game!!! and i like the halo games

[silver arch]

I can agree with that in the instance of halo. Halo legends does not at all do a great job detailing humanities advancement post Halo firing. Same goes for the covenant

Obviously pre firing, we get a pretty good look at everything, but not after the fact for some reason

[tawny raptor]

Yeah like how Hegel thought of society as a collective manifestation of ideas and societies dominating each other due to ideological superiority at its core

The society with a better understanding of things around them will in the end achieve military/economic/religious/etc. dominance

So in relation to Halo's story basically humanity wins because their society was not centered around a lie at its core like the covenant

Anyway the only reason a contradiction like the covenant exists is as a narrative device to this end

[blazing cave]

Covenant got overzealous

[tawny raptor]

Covenant begins to worship traditionalist systems and pursue intellectual dishonesty yeah

Whereas humanity eventually casts off religion as a temporary tool

When you start reading philosophy you realize stories are really fitting this pattern it's kind of interesting

The elites are the smartest group which is why the prophets try to kill them off, but it backfires because intellectual dishonesty is an unstable basis for society

If you read Marx/Engels you'll see them talk about that pattern

[blazing cave]

also brutes suck as shipmasters 🤭

[tawny raptor]

Basically the prophets utilize the elites to further their own desire for power but in doing so risk their power itself because the elites have to be intellectual to be capable of conquering the other species

So when the prophets try to walk back that progress by utilizing the less intelligent brutes and killing the elites, it's unsustainable

The problem is as the other guy said the covenant don't have a religious or ideological progression equivalent to their economic progresssion because it's an imperfect narrative written by people

I'll stop ranting but yeah I like the halo narrative its just details will be wacky for that reason the covenant is a wacky concept

[broken tartan]

People keep having Doom and Gloom about the Halo franchise but I think it's actually in a better State than ever considering we do not trust the official Studio to do the game justice so we have fans to make it themselves I mean imagine a possibilities of fans being able to make whatever stories they want and we can have so many possibilities

[candid solar]

The fact some (very, very misguided) people have framed the UEG/UNSC as zealously christian for... some weird reason, confuses the hell out of me.

Then again these people also tend to have crusader profile pictures.

[broken tartan]

So yes I'm actually more hopeful than ever for the franchise but not because of the "right reasons" considering we can make great stories, also MCC mods like "New Covenant" already succeed

[candid solar]

Like the people who are ardently christian but use warhammer 40k's black templars as their pfp, a chapter explicitly known to burn down anything remotely resembling something that isn't the Imperium's (non-christian) religion.

[tawny raptor]

The UNSC is basically athiestic and more culturally/religiously advanced than the covenant. The reason they win is because they work with the elites and essentially incorporate the covenant species that are betrayed, so the story itself is actually valuing diversity and intellectual honesty while providing a critique of religion and regressive class structure in the form of the prophets

So halo is basically a marxist narrative about religion and regressive class structure

[candid solar]

You. I like you. You get that part.

[broken tartan]

at telling a better story than Halo 4 (Yes the story of Halo 4 by all objective means failed, if you like it tho that's fine but it did)

[silver arch]

Didn't a certain late night gamer try to make that tie in? I swear he did and even if he hasn't, he totally would lol

[candid solar]

He would not be the only one to try and fail.

[broken tartan]

New Covenant has similar story beats to Halo 4, if not with a better premise that makes New Covenant able to take the mantle of "Halo 4" as a name.

[tawny raptor]

If you read Starship Troopers when he gets to OCS someone will mention the reason we have ideas is because they are useful, so anyway you'll realize morality is a set of useful ideas, the society that acts more selfless will in the end conquer all others, halo is about that too, to a degree. The prophets embody irrational selfishness but lose.

[candid solar]

Halo as a whole is a little afraid to definitively touch on modern day cultural issues but humanity is unambiguously big on diversity and inclusion, though not necessarily equity.

[blazing cave]

Altruism

[broken tartan]

I understand where you're coming from but Halo was never about the modern human problems it was actually about an entire alien Crusade on Humanity based on the socking truth that humans are the very forerunners that they worshiped (Yes that's ingame canon meaning at most forerunners are just evolved humans)

[steady jolt]

[broken tartan]

Besides we had people like Sergeant Johnson and he was pretty awesome

[tawny raptor]

Yeah you see this a lot where the writer clearly has read Hegel or Marx or internalized the concepts about the critique and they manifest this symbolically through the narrative.

Any sci fi narrative basically needs to confront Marx because he lays out this progressive sequence of human civilization changing economic and political structures and how the material basis of society dictates religion/culture, so on. The thing is diversity is not inherently good per se but any society willing to incorporate new ideas and new groups will conquer others in time because it is capable of perpetuating itself more effectively.

[broken tartan]

Now where I could understand Halo covering things like insurrections and Civil War could be in stuff before or after the human Covenant War and might even get good

[steady jolt]

If we want to go in depth on Halo lore, can we move over to #lore-and-universe please

[broken tartan]

Yeah but we're not going in depth on Halo Lore we are giving ideas

[tawny raptor]

I really wish 343 had talked about the elites forming a coalition to topple the UNSC when they get abused/betrayed after 3

That would be the conclusion I think

[broken tartan]

Yeah and thankfully fans did with mods giving an objectively better and more cohesive story than the official material owned under the current owner

[tawny raptor]

Like when the UNSC incorporates the covenant they split into two factions and chief/arbiter have to handle it or chief ends up supporting the anti-covenant side idk

[silver arch]

Well ONI was behind all the backstabbing with the sangheli

[broken tartan]

New Covenant is a chef's kiss and I'll glaze it (Metaphorically for any who take it with salt)

[vagrant kettle]

If they don’t add every vaulted item in the new update I’m going to be very disappointed

[broken tartan]

Halo 4 adds retcons of previous titles, New Covenant adds and expands on it while adding some of the concepts in from (at the time) 343's game

[blazing cave]

200+ items is so much

where they fitting that 😭

[candid solar]

I feel like I'm missing out on someone saying something very much not worth engaging with.

[tawny raptor]

343's approach is just inherently less interesting because it focuses on the forerunners and then covenant splinter cells.

So the covenant splinter cells are inherently less powerful than the covenant

The forerunners are like maybe 5 guys with robots so again inherently less interesting

[zinc bear]

its not enough*

[tawny raptor]

I'm not hating on 343 Halo as a series just didn't have anywhere to go after 3 except maybe the UNSC splitting into rabid anti-covenant forces and a group that wanted to incorporate them

[zinc bear]

just hoping that the package chief armor is in the exchange. i literally just bought the H5 chief armor a week ago lol.

[broken tartan]

Exactly, in Star Wars the EU is objectively more cohesive than the Disney canon, same goes for here, old lore feels more connected

[blazing cave]

youre not getting all 200 of those items within the 6months of its release

[zinc bear]

thats why the operation is infinite

[tawny raptor]

Basically if 343 wanted to make something approaching the narrative quality of 1-3 I think we needed that split UNSC story line I'm proposing where humans become the enemy and it focuses heavily on post-covenant groups

[pulsar heron]

baz and wildcard, this definitely needs to move to #lore-and-universe or #1076337363770417172 now. and remember to keep all criticism constructive

[blazing cave]

im saying lol if the content lasts you grinding well into the full year then it "is enough" o7

[pulsar heron]

general rule of thumb: if your post is a paragraph, there's probably a better, more specific channel for it

[hallow kettle]

Hey guys what you are talking about

[blazing cave]

Halo

[jade gust]

Halo 3 ended with a tease of Master Chief going to a Forerunner planet. Halo 4 followed up on that and used lore first introduced in Halo 3 relating to the Forerunners to give us the Didact as a villain

[broken tartan]

But it's not related to the universe or the lore we are explaining that this franchise feels very similar to Star Wars in terms of how it's handled

[jade gust]

Like, I wouldn't really say Halo 3 left the series with nowhere to go

[zinc bear]

i was a bit confused when reading the halo waypoint post. is the premium pass 100 tiers and the free pass also 100 tiers?

[broken tartan]

Also I was just told to keep my criticism constructive as if I didn't when the whole criticism was constructive I mean objectively speaking every aspect feels less consistent compared to the original product (It's not on a specific topic, every topic qualifies here as a criticism so for the sake of my own "credibility", I won't say what in specific)

[blazing cave]

i honestly wish the pass was like filled with enough tiers for those 200+ items

because now i have over 100s of double xp for no reason

[vagrant kettle]

I’m excited for the double sp and how that works

[blazing cave]

going to grind til the end of the year

see how far i get from the 1300 games needed

[silver arch]

I'm tempted to reinstall halo infinite just for the honor guard armor alone, one of my all time favorite armor designs in the franchise (the elite version, not the Spartan armor)

[vagrant kettle]

Do it

[broken tartan]

The classic products that range from merch to games, and others feel in line with the brand, then as soon as 2011 hits, we see a change in philosophy, on every aspect.

Chief's armor is too detailed as soon as 2011's CEA releases, the reason mark V was beloved is cuz a mix of simplicity and attention to detail, there's not objectively unnecessary bits where there wouldn't be, for CEA tho, the lines make him look like a bioshock pre-order compared to the sleak yet bulky classic variant

[pulsar heron]

wildcard, the reason we're asking you to move to another channel is because you are having a very involved conversation with long responses. generally speaking, it's considered polite to move to a more appropriate channel once light chatter develops into that.

[broken tartan]

I'll just leave for a bit to avoid "Situations", but ok, it'd be better to add a character limit but who am i to judge? cya

[pulsar heron]

as for this "xyz bad" with little explanation as to why isn't constructive. consider looking up the SMART model of criticism for guidance. a good starting point is to explaining outright why you feel a certain way, or what you would've preferred

[pulsar heron]

discord doesnt give mods the ability to add character limits, but the point is more that there is a more appropriate place to talk about it further

[broken tartan]

I thankfully have no need to since Marcus Lehto, the original creator of Mark V, jas already made an armor that fit CEA better.

[white atlas]

I have to ask will there still be minor updates after the major one comes out or the game gets kinda abandoned? That's confusing

[broken tartan]

He remade Mark V using the Halo 3 spartan biped and displayed it on his social media some time back

[steady jolt]

Operation: Infinite may be the last major update currently planned for Halo Infinite, but we’re fully committed to supporting players with exciting challenges, ranked rewards, and community events throughout next year and beyond.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/operation-infinite-preview

[broken tartan]

News by mint blitz says its the final update for infinite

[white atlas]

Will there be more community maps?

[steady jolt]

Probably

[broken tartan]

meaning I can finally say it, infinite has a smaller sandbox than halo ce

[vagrant kettle]

Pro tip: only use halo news from waypoint or HS themselves

[white atlas]

Ive been hoping for new firefight maps

[vagrant kettle]

Halo Youtubers tend to overhype things or spread misinfo

[white atlas]

Yea for cosmetic but im hoping they keep adding new maps

[broken tartan]

Ok, I found news from a staff member of 343 (Before they rebranded), that MCC recieved it's final update, and that was his social media

And it is technically by all legal means a rebrand since their (by their own words) "next project" is CE's remake, not remaster

So no disrespect

[pulsar heron]

mint blitz is not staff, anything he (or any other social media star) says about the future of halo is speculation

[broken tartan]

Not him, it was the very leading staff member who worked at 343 for patching mcc since 2019

[formal magnet]

Additional pro tip: take any news with a grain of salt until it's released

[steady jolt]

We're not talking about MCC though, we're talking about Infinite

[jade gust]

You know they can't use that model for official projects, right? Like, while Lehto may have been one of the original people working on Halo, that doesn't mean HS could somehow use a model he made long after he moved on from working on the series

[broken tartan]

I understand that but that news from the MCC's final update is from a staff member's social media post displaying a letter confirming it if true, not a youtuber or a dissident.

So as a result it technically is from a now former employee of the current studio

[steady jolt]

MCC has nothing to do with this conversation

[jade gust]

Last I checked, Combat Evolved has less weapons, vehicles, equipment and enemy variety compared to Infinite. I wouldn't say that means CE has a bigger sandbox

[broken tartan]

I used his model as an example on how the remaster can remain faithful to the art style while lookin newer

[jade gust]

The model they're using is just fine

[broken tartan]

for CEA 2011 chief when that released?

I think it adds too much detail in places it feels impractical

[white atlas]

I mostly hope there's new community firefight maps that gets added after the major update or wonder if there won't be new maps afterwards

[broken tartan]

while Marcus Lehto did it just right

[trim saddle]

I want more linear FF maps, or just more FF maps in general.

[broken tartan]

I'd prefer official maps or ways to make forge look more like official maps but i feel ya, I have a bad impression of infinite's firefight compared to previous games.

[trim saddle]

Firefight on blood gulch would be 🔥

[white atlas]

One thing id love would be a voice of master chief when you unlock his armor hero rank

[naive turret]

I agree, we should set fire to Blood Gulch

[jade gust]

Were you not talking about the remake which is coming next year? Why are you suddenly shifting to talking about CEA, which they're not going to change any of the models in because it's 15 years old at this point

[broken tartan]

Good point we should have custom voices but mods so we don't have trolls moaning when they die

[jade gust]

I would want to recreate a certain iconic scene before we do so, just for one last time, I want to ask why we're here

[trim saddle]

Flood gulch is a pass but blood gulch is classic

[white atlas]

Yeah or more ai be fun to have the weapon

[broken tartan]

The topic from the get go was about the original CEA, and how it added too much detail and ruined the look when Marcus Lehto's remake with a Halo 3 Biped better fit the remaster feel

But I can say he likes the infinite models use in the CE remake due to accuracy

[zinc bear]

ive been grinding for $20 of microsoft reward points so i can get the ODST pistol. but with the halo 2 magnum coming back i might get that instead 💔

[jade gust]

You know he didn't remake the Mark V model because he wanted fix anything from CEA, right? He did it because he had issues with the original model he made for Combat Evolved

[vagrant kettle]

Sorry to be the bringer of bad news…
It’s at level 95

[broken tartan]

CEA = Remaster, CE 3 (it is) = Remake

[zinc bear]

oh well if the H2 magnum is at level 95 then i can just grind to unlock it instead

[hasty zinc]

CEV

[zinc bear]

unless its the premium pass which im still confused about

[broken tartan]

Battle Passes objectively don't fit imo, imagine if we get challenges like Reach 360 had

[trim saddle]

CE, CEA, and CE(B)

[vagrant kettle]

I’ve seen a screenshot of almost the whole pass, it’s so grindable. It is an absolute unit of a battle pass.

[zinc bear]

will the premium pass be 100 tiers and the free one also be 100? i saw the 200+ items being talked about and i dont think i was reading it in order or something

[broken tartan]

Never understood why we should purchase a battle pass, let alone have one, imagine unlocking it like we did Reach 360 and bought it

[jade gust]

Times changed

[hasty zinc]

Original release (CE1), CE on PC (2) CEA standalone (3) CEA MCC (4) CE remastered (5). V=5 so CEV 👏

[broken tartan]

Plus I hope the color blue is free, only payment should be in color wheel

[trim saddle]

The 200+ is what's dropping into the exchange.

[zinc bear]

ohh okay.

[trim saddle]

So save up for SP lol

[zinc bear]

it just said to upgrade for the 100 tier premium pass so that confused me

[jade gust]

That's just for the premium items in the pass

[broken tartan]

To still have payment for colors they should only have a color wheel able to be unlocked via SP in Halo 7 (It should just be a Halo Sandbox with every weapon in the franchise)

[trim saddle]

Premium is just extra items you get at the start

[jade gust]

So there's a free set of items, and a paid set

[vagrant kettle]

It’s like 50/50 free/premium I think

[jade gust]

I thought it was structured more like the old BPs from back in the day?

[thick lake]

Halo there

[zinc bear]

yeah which i dont really care for. i already just rock chief all i want is the weapon models

[broken tartan]

Paid items should be unlocked via SP similar to Reach 360

I loved that progression system back in 2010

[hasty zinc]

too grindy

[jade gust]

Reach's progression system was notorious for being horrible

Like, there was a specific rank which for no good reason took ages to get through

[broken tartan]

It wasn't for me oddly, better than Infinite's due to Match XP needing a beta for the latter

[jade gust]

It wasn't even like it was the final rank before Inheritor

[hasty zinc]

they had to introduce credit jackpots to try and help but it didn't really

is this new?

[zinc bear]

yeah ive been getting it too. i keep almost pinging HS people

[trim saddle]

No rev has been here for a while

[silver arch]

Didn't it take like, hundreds of hours to get to max rank in reach?

[broken tartan]

Imo we should have a grind without microtransactions a full paid game with custom campaign and multiplayer would be cool, imagine every halo game's armor core, even the low and high poly designs, every weapon, able to upload and download mods and custom stories

[jade gust]

That is new, never seen Discord do that before

[stuck wind]

Do you guys think elites and jedis would have a argument on who ripped each other off on light sword designs

[zinc bear]

ahh, so premium ISNT just random items at the start. gonna have to grind for those reward points lol

[silver arch]

No seeing as how energy swords operate in a completely different way and look vastly different

[vagrant kettle]

Jedis are from a long time ago and elites are in the future, so elites ripped the Jedi off

[jade gust]

Lightsabers and Energy Swords have the same basic "Blade made of plasma and glows" but differ in allot of ways

[silver arch]

And have differect ergonomics. The lightsaber is also arguably more powerful and versatile

[hybrid plover]

:sunday 🧍‍♂️

[zinc bear]

im almost there. 6543 points out of 9500 for a $10 gift card.

[jade gust]

You're basically asking for mod tools, MCC already has that

[broken tartan]

For the new Halo, just make it a custom Halo engine similar to a free game, plus MCC had its final update and hit registration for Halo 3 is not the best rn

[jade gust]

Like, people make custom campaigns for the games in MCC

[hybrid plover]

arc raiders is so good. and it looks amazing

[jade gust]

They're not gonna give us the ability to make custom missions for the next Halo game

At least not anything like what dev made missions are

[broken tartan]

Halo 7 being a paid custom game would be goated, and bethesda made their games very moddable, imagine playing a match of Halo with Mass Effect visuals

Mcc mods also dont let you go online only lan

even gmod has online for mods

[jade gust]

You mean in matchmaking?

Because you can play modded custom games in MCC

[broken tartan]

Only minimum mods like 3rd person, nothing to visuals or sandbox, I'd love a pvz styled halo match with a crazy dave announcer

[jade gust]

Have you actually looked at the mods people make?

Because you know there's people making mods which do stuff like recreating Star Wars Battlefront, right?

[broken tartan]

I did, bare minimum for matchmaking and some methods I cannot name managed to do so

[jade gust]

Ok, because they don't allow mods in matchmaking

[broken tartan]

They used lan servers to do so

[jade gust]

They can be played online via custom games

[broken tartan]

missed opportunity, even bethesda has mods on console and people still play em

[broken tartan]

Even as the latest version I didn't find any

let alone find anyone else doing so, they had to set up lan

only mods that'd work bypass anticheat and its bare minimum

[jade gust]

I never mentioned mods for console?

[jade gust]

Steam Workshop has allot of the mods for MCC, not sure how you don't find mods

[broken tartan]

Yeah but thats cuz bethesda's 2 games are universally moddable even from in the game

[broken tartan]

You can only play em offline or lan with anticheat off

cant play with it on (Which idk why, they're separate instances from normal game entirely)

[silver arch]

Not true, you can play modded halo campaigns with friends

[broken tartan]

I can even turn anticheat off and play both normal versions and modded there

[broken tartan]

Via LAN, I tried to invite someone and it didn't work unless it was local or LAN

[jade gust]

Ok, again, the discussion was not about mods on console, you randomly brought it up when that wasn't what we were talking about. We were talking about how mods aren't allowed in matchmaking in MCC

[trim saddle]

Cursed halo is fun. I hope they make that an option on the new CE.

[silver arch]

That's cool, I literally played cursed halo with my friends normally

[jade gust]

You can play modded campaigns with friends online, so long as you have anti-cheat turned off

[broken tartan]

Cuz it's a universal version of the game thats moddable on every platform and Halo 7 should have mods with online functionality

[jade gust]

Wild, please read what I am telling you

[steady jolt]

With the amount of skulls they're talking about having, I think LASO will be the new cursed Halo

[broken tartan]

Like gmod (But anticheat-) yeah gmod has one, a game from 2004

[silver arch]

I doubt inferno will want to touch it, but it would fun if he did

[trim saddle]

Oh they did mention more skulls, I wonder what tomfoolery they will cast upon us.

[buoyant canyon]

Kinda interesting tho since H2 was difficult by mistake so intentionally making the new Halo more difficult than H2 will be a bold take

[broken tartan]

LASO using skulls that disable achievements and score makes it impossible, since only some skulls can be on

[steady jolt]

Dozens of Skulls: Return to any mission in Halo: Campaign Evolved and remix your experience with the most gameplay-modifying Skulls of any Halo campaign. Activate Skulls for randomized weapons, altered enemy behavior, player attributes, environmental effects, and more!

[jade gust]

To be fair, the game isn't balanced around LASO

[trim saddle]

Bring the heat CEr. My body and soul are willing.

[silver arch]

I hope they add an enemy randomizer too

Adding skulls like that would definitely draw me in even more. I love randomizer mods so much

[buoyant canyon]

I mean H3 and Reach were or at least they attempted to

[jade gust]

Random weapon skull could be fun

[buoyant canyon]

H2 and CE definitely NOT

[jade gust]

CE didn't have skulls until CEA

[trim saddle]

The fiesta skull 🔥

[jade gust]

Exactly, we need a Fiesta Skull

[buoyant canyon]

Exactly which is why CE LASO is awful and shouldn't exist yet it does lol

Ngl in many ways way worse than H2 LASO

[silver arch]

I suppose, I think an enemy randomizer would be more fun lol

[broken tartan]

imo CE remake imo has an overall worse presentation, the pelican that crashes in front of the hunter building should be after you deal with the hunters and the lockdown terminal

plus the covenant popping out from the pillar, we should have some more hiding behind rocks and other positions to ambush the player and marines at the start

[buoyant canyon]

CEA or campaign evolved

[trim saddle]

Man this s'mores dubby drink is tasty

[broken tartan]

I already clarified CEA is a remaster, Campaign is the remake

[jade gust]

You do know the demo they showed off is a WIP, right? It's not the final build which will release next year

[vagrant kettle]

What vaulted items will people buy once the update drops?

[buoyant canyon]

If it's “remaking” little details like this are kind of irrelevant, however tiny issues does stack and make a tower, but I think the broad Halo Community is being WAY too picky for no good reason other than nostalgia gating

[jade gust]

Like, any pop in issues will likely be resolved for launch

[broken tartan]

Yeah but it was enough for an e3, imo it should've been held off till next e3

if it was WIP

[jade gust]

E3 isn't happening ever again

[broken tartan]

We all know what happened when Infinite had their's

[jade gust]

Like, that event ended a few years back

[steady jolt]

Getting feedback earlier is a good thing

[vital raft]

E3 died cause companies realized we dont need these events anymore

just do your own version of a nintendo direct

[broken tartan]

If E3 is defunct, the event failed to garner traction meaning studios like this one failed to present products that entice the consumer

[buoyant canyon]

100%

Campaign evovled as a trailer looks WAY better than infinite did with Craig and what not lol

[broken tartan]

no disrespect but its supply and demand

[trim saddle]

Well Craig is now eternal tho so I'm thankful for that

[buoyant canyon]

Which is great which means it's little issues rather than fundamental so easy fixes

[steady jolt]

Looks even better when you're playing it tbh

[jade gust]

The thing with Craig is that most people would never had noticed him in gameplay because the face appeared for a single frame in the demo

[neon halo]

Laso is never attempted to be balanced around lol the entire point of the skulls are to make the game unbalanced

[vital raft]

why do a whole big event when you can just drop a stream or use the game awards as free press

[sturdy sky]

[broken tartan]

I think chief jittering his gun in the halls before the plasma pistol kick scene was in the best word i can find no offense, a bit too hyped up and not realistic

[neon halo]

Because it’s a bunch of UE5 assets which look fine

[vagrant kettle]

I’m buying the Neon Death charm if it gets put into the exchange

[vital raft]

people when an unifinished game looks unfinished its in unfinished gameplay reveal

[buoyant canyon]

No 100% I was saying as the whole cartoony mess that was that reveal was funny lol and I'm glad they fixed infinite than where it started

[zinc bear]

stop flexing on us, stckr.

[broken tartan]

QA teams are teams hired for the purpose of quality assurance, joe staten and marcus lehto are not hired by corporations rn so welcoming em back as advisors can help campaign evolved bounce back

[jade gust]

That's a very different thing to what Craig was, that's just a specific animation which feels off, whereas Craig was a face which a Brute made when ragdolling after being killed

[timid roost]

Ive seen a lot of people complain about the bright shield glow in infinite, when its pretty much the only reason im good at the game bc i need that visual clarity. I hope they dont listen and go back to matte team colors

[jade gust]

Joe is working at Duolingo right now (And also wasn't a QA tester when he worked on Infinite)

[buoyant canyon]

They definitely balanced it better in 3 and Reach Compared to 2, 2 was experimental and 3 is kind of a cake walk Ngl. Especially compared to other Halos. It's “unbalanced” as that is the point, but also nerfed for H3 and ODST idk if I'm explaining it well lol.

[trim saddle]

It's about time to grind more XP in FF 💪

[steady jolt]

I'm not talking about QA. I'm talking about community feedback. Waiting until next year would be far to late to address concerns

[vital raft]

ok so controversial take

[pliant hatch]

might be referring to fan feedback which uny asked for on twitter

[neon halo]

I get what you’re saying, it’s just because the base game is balanced a lot better in general

[vital raft]

but is it weird i prefer to play on easy or normal despite being able to play heroic

[broken tartan]

Craig at least just had no facial animations and the body animations looked fine, but the chief one is worse objectively since he jitters too much looking at the wrong places with his gun instead of being in navy SEAL gun formation for looking for threats, he could sway his gun towards corners to check then kick the plasma pistol down

[vital raft]

i just dont see value in smashing your head agains the wall for fun

[jade gust]

And we know they're already making changes as well, such as the shields for the Elites are going to be more visible when flaring up

[trim saddle]

And yet we see those type of people in discords allllll the time

[buoyant canyon]

Yeah Reach is different tho since the gap between LASO to base legendary is the largest in the franchise and is terrible.

[vital raft]

like why play a gamemode you hate

[jade gust]

Ok, again, those are two very different things, Chief moving his weapon like that is not an unintended oddity, it's just an animation which doesn't quite fit the character. Craig was an unintended oddity

[broken tartan]

Then the game should be delayed or have an insider test of the demo similar to MCC patches

[candid solar]

Some people enjoy a challenge I suppose.

[buoyant canyon]

I just think being picky isn't gonna solve anything. I am a gorilla mind in that way.

Big gun looks like Halo = Me like to shoot.

[candid solar]

I mean, I play Darktide on high-tier Havok because I like the challenge, not because it's necessarily 'fun'.

[trim saddle]

Life is challenging enough, my entertainment will not be.

[vital raft]

wait whats wrong with the halo ce remaster footage?

[pliant hatch]

getting broader feedback can sometimes be better than a limited one.

[vital raft]

i didnt notice anything really off

[candid solar]

I think it's kind of funny that Dark Souls, as a community, went from "Lol git gud" to "Nah dude it's okay that's one that's super hard, take your time, here's a guide".

[zinc bear]

just people being picky

[jade gust]

They do have QA teams as well. If they didn't, what we saw likely wouldn't have been ready to be revealed at all

[candid solar]

Lasted long enough as a villain community to start go-karting with mario so to speak

[broken tartan]

I don't mean for a rude response but that makes it worse for Chief's case since the animation is too rapid and fails to get the point across, Chief looks like he's gone paranoid.

[vital raft]

it is pre release footage

could be an unfinished animation or something that slipped by

[buoyant canyon]

People being way too picky in my opinion.

The Halo community has been this way since Reach’s gameplay trailer so not much we can do about that lol.

[vital raft]

same with all the reused assets from old games

tons of games do that

[jade gust]

Ok, so just say it doesn't feel like Chief would do that instead of trying to equate it to Craig, the game is not releasing until next year

[jade gust]

The reuse of assets is fine if you ask me. If it means they can dedicate those resources to making actual new models for stuff which needs them, the reused models can stay

[pliant hatch]

why is this demo not a finished product!

[broken tartan]

Halo CE from 2001 had a prerelease demo and the visuals looked somewhat the same, plus some creative differences like the cinematic should look closer to the fanmade CE videos on youtube of silent cartographer

[buoyant canyon]

Because demos are rarely finished products? I don't think a single Halo Demo since like Halo CE that has been a finished product lol

[vital raft]

halo CE didnt even start as CE

it was a third person rts/fps hybrid

[zinc bear]

they were joking

[vital raft]

with a totally different art style

[buoyant canyon]

I can't read tone on discord lol I'm old

[vital raft]

by the time it was CE most of the game was done

[jade gust]

Also back in the day, it was more common for game demos to be released just before a game released

[broken tartan]

Imo, I'd go for adding them first going smoothly to the island then as turrets start shooting at them, then a couple marine snipers shoot at the turret grunts, then they take the pelican over the beginning archway as an anti air wraith shoots at them and echo 419 parks you a little behind a rock for cover as pelican fire focuses on it as they fly off

[vital raft]

thats too scripted for halo imo

[jade gust]

Whereas the demo for CEV we got shown is from an earlier stage in development and was intended to specifically be shown off as part of a reveal

[vital raft]

halo scripting is best when it blends in and doesnt feel so obvious

[pliant hatch]

couldn't do an update back then, lol. post release

[broken tartan]

The cinematic already portrayed seemed too cinematic to me so I'd make a bombastic start with remade music to give it a similar feeling to how moss portrayed with that official flare

[zinc bear]

i just want halo

[broken tartan]

Plus Halo CE had the pelicans go smoothly at first as well so it adds to the vision rather than replace

[vital raft]

chief isnt visible in the pelican and i honestly dont care

[jade gust]

So long as the dropships aren't given their paths how they are in CE... I have heard horror stories about how bad it is to add in scripted Pelicans and Spirits in the CE engine

[broken tartan]

also bonus missions would be more frequent in my ideal version to adapt the books but still end when CE does

[vital raft]

i just hope if its a pseudo open world again please give us something to do

[broken tartan]

Then maybe first strike DLC which would only feature Chief as playable as the gang is together

[vital raft]

that isnt taking bases

[broken tartan]

plus we have comms to know what happens

[vital raft]

im hopeful even if im a bit upset its another remake it will probably be fun

[broken tartan]

IMO there should be a balance of that, open world with more classic missions upon taking distress signals, opening comms and making decisions

[jade gust]

I wouldn't be surprised if Halo 7 goes back to the more linear levels, easier to curate the experience when you don't have to worry about a player approaching all the encounters from every possible direction

[vital raft]

you mean breaking the game

by killing bosses in 2 seconds with 50 explosive cannisters

[jade gust]

See, defeating Jega like that is funny

But it doesn't mean the devs intended for it

[vital raft]

id be fine with no boss fights

i still get nightmares from bassus

[candid solar]

I mean, people come up with ways to cheese boss fights all the time. It's a gamer thing.

[jade gust]

Bassus is a much better designed fight than any of Halo 2's boss fights

[vital raft]

yet he still induces PTSD

[candid solar]

It's why I don't think there should ever be a vehicle wall in a door in a game. If I can fit a damn warthog in, I should be allowed to do that.

[vital raft]

if i fits i sits

[jade gust]

Like, the best boss fight in Halo 2 is the Heretic Leader, but that's because he's basically a more buffed up Elite Ranger with holo drones

[broken tartan]

That was possible in CE with silent cartographer rock

some players got that thru and even devs commented on knowing, it rewards crativity

[jade gust]

See, I agree, but that doesn't mean a dev would've intended for someone to get a vehicle in those spots

[steady jolt]

I am so glad that damn rock is gone

[candid solar]

It's best to embrace that people can and will happily break the balance of your game wide open for the hell of it, and remove as many hard (IE Spoilsport) counters to that sort of silliness as possible. One-way doors are one thing, but anti-vehicle gates are another.

[broken tartan]

so the ce remake is not faithful

[crude jay]

Since its the last update, can we please get the blue fire effect in the exchange🥹🤞

[vital raft]

anti vehicle gates also ruin storytelling imo

[jade gust]

I feel like too many people are too attached to that rock, it's not like people didn't do what they could to get vehicles past it or just kill the Hunters in one shot with the Magnum to the back

[vital raft]

yes put this massive pillar in the middle of our doorway

[steady jolt]

It's a rock, I honestly don't care. It means I spend less time trying to ram my warthog up that space

[candid solar]

I mean invisible walls, not bollards. Bollards are fine.

[broken tartan]

There was many ways it was used to add it as due to the major battles, some gates were broken and only allowed small holes, especially in levels after the flood is unleashed.

[vital raft]

its just funny to imagine forerunners just hated vehicles

[jade gust]

Not sure how it ruins the storytelling if you're not able to get a vehicle in a spot it's not intended to be

[vital raft]

that much

[trim saddle]

That rock was fun to try to wedge the hog with though

[broken tartan]

And get it over the rock, allowing more firepower for an easy entryway to the security door mechanism?

[vital raft]

and getting the bandana skull

[candid solar]

I think Baphy more meant that she thinks it ruins architectural/environmental storytelling.

[broken tartan]

Devs knew the rock could be gotten over and still added it for creativity, most of the original team criticise that very rocks removal

[trim saddle]

I can't wait to do warthog launches with boom skull on

[jade gust]

Ah, even then, I still don't see how it ruins that

[vital raft]

yeah it ruins the flow of maps sometimes in CE and 2 when theres just a random go away pillar where it doesnt make sense to put

[steady jolt]

It's a rock, I don't know why people are so pressed over this 😂

[broken tartan]

Halo adds restrictions but also the ability to get around them with creativity

[vital raft]

unless the convenant just hate convience

[candid solar]

Because everyone's twelve and we don't call it out enough

[trim saddle]

They're stuck between a rock and a hard place 🤷

[jade gust]

Stckr, to be fair, I've seen plenty people acting like the end times are coming because the AR has 32 rounds in the demo

[vital raft]

i love that rock

[trim saddle]

It's not just a boulder

[candid solar]

Seriously, so much of what I see these days is literally just explained by pointing out it's something a twelve year old would say.

[naive turret]

The Covenant has one rock.

[broken tartan]

That very rock is a testiment to creativity itself, as the devs who worked at bungie did a dev commentary where they said you can get ur warthog over the rock and as a result find a way to bring it there, they knew yall wanted it over the rock and left it there to entice challenge

[steady jolt]

Lmao

Ok

[jade gust]

It's a rock, it's not a monument or testiment to anything

[vital raft]

btw just want to say it but people already have the forerunners clearly didnt have OSHA

[broken tartan]

Dev interview for campaign evolved claimed to be faithful but added spint and removed challenges, making the game overall less balanced

[candid solar]

What the hell are you talking about, man?

[jade gust]

There was a reason it was placed there yes, but it's not any big metaphor for anything, it was simply a level design decision which most people did everything they could to circumvent

[vital raft]

and thats a problem cause i subconsiously like to walk off ledges

[trim saddle]

Idc about balance, I just want fun.

[naive turret]

Yeah cause getting the hog up there trivialises the Hunters.
Not the Magnum being able to one-shot them. lmao.

[broken tartan]

and since some skulls likely remove achievements u cant do LASO

And no it aint "Laso" if u dont enable every sjngle skull

[vital raft]

turn sprint off

[naive turret]

Hear that lads, the Envy-less runs of H2 don't count.

[broken tartan]

it stands for ALL skulls on.

[naive turret]

Someone take that money off Jervalin

[vital raft]

its literally a toggle they confirmed it

[lime oyster]

I think the halo rings would break almost every OSHA rule

[trim saddle]

All skulls on didn't take away achievements for infinite.

[broken tartan]

Sprint still is enabled by default and ruins the flow of the game, even the original devs talked DIRECTLY about this remake with the same opinion as i have

[trim saddle]

Then TURN IT OFFFFF

[broken tartan]

Design the map for sprint if u want it to exist AT ALL

[meager linden]

https://tenor.com/view/aku-depressed-aku-sad-aku-samurai-jack-jack-gif-14570663619800866283

[jade gust]

It's only Scarab, Bandanna and Acrophobia which disable the achievement from popping, right? Because last I checked, having the power of a scarab in the palm of your hand, with infinite ammo and the ability to float without a flying vehicle trivialises everything

[meager linden]

You don't tired to talk about sprint lmao?

[vital raft]

just dont use sprint its pretty easy

[tight remnant]

I don't particularly care for those opinions from those developers. Halo CE isn't some sacred master piece. It's got it's flaws and other things.

[jade gust]

Good thing they are remaking the levels with sprint in mind then

[naive turret]

I hate being critical of Sprint as a mechanic when it's people like this you see arguing against it.
Maybe I'll just start liking it out of spite.

[trim saddle]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[vagrant kettle]

Yes. The containment area for a dangerous biological substance was misleadingly marked, without danger signs, or PPE requirements for that area.

[broken tartan]

Yall have NON constructive takes while i list constructive criticisms and sources YET IM TOLD TO BE CONSTRUCTIVE instead of idk, constructively telling me why sprint doesn't affect the game too bad with detail

[tight remnant]

I'm excited for some of the sections which will be reworked on, especially the flood and library

[vital raft]

adding sprint wont massively change the maps

[candid solar]

Constructive criticism is only when I criticize thing, not when you criticize thing.

[tight remnant]

Also I really hope we get fireteam raven camos

[tacit atlas]

Sprint killed that rock and my non existent rat smh smh /s

[jade gust]

It's why I propose they put a large sign outside to make it clear not to go there

[vital raft]

halo CE had massive maps to begin with

[vagrant kettle]

Exactly.

[meager linden]

I have feeling that their missions will be added to CE

[broken tartan]

Sprint should be ACCOMODATED FOR by the map, extend the map so sprint has value, otherwise the small maps start to have issues with music, pacing, etc, even original devs said this in their own responses to campaign evolved's demo

[trim saddle]

Nope

[vital raft]

NO

do not make maps bigger

[tight remnant]

I REALLY hope they add those two times. In Pillar of Autumn and Two Betrayls

[vital raft]

the library is enough

[jade gust]

The main thing is they'll be rescaling environments to take into account the players being able to. A great example of when this previously happened in Halo is comparing Midship from Halo 2 with Truth from Halo 5. The map needed to be updated to accomodate the additional abilities players have access to

[lime oyster]

Please don’t make the giant CE maps even bigger

[naive turret]

Does he know the devs already said the maps are being redesigned

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-vii-remake-cloud-strife-tifa-lockhart-aerith-gainsborough-cloti-gif-27060423

[broken tartan]

Then dont add sprint otherwise the games broken, and u have problems with music skipping, pacing, and sequence breaking which can softlock a level

[jade gust]

Also maybe a few guards with gasmasks who only speak in muffled noises, that should scare away any Grunts who may try sneaking in

[vital raft]

what

[candid solar]

And also to generally make it feel better, I assume. Midship is awful for a reason, and part of that reason is how damn claustrophobic it is.

[vital raft]

softlocking?

[trim saddle]

I'm just gonna not respond anymore.

[jade gust]

Aye, Midship is a map which feels too small, even for Halo 2 if you ask me, Truth is easily the best iteration of the map

[trim saddle]

What's everyone's favorite game type?

[naive turret]

The only funny thing I've seen was in Heed's 'speedrun', you can outrun the dialogue of the Pelican on SC and it's already crashed.

[broken tartan]

Sequence breaks can softlock entire levels since certain sequences fail to trigger that are needed to complete a level, this is game development 101

[buoyant canyon]

Sprint only ruins pacing if it's unlimited or has cheese mechanics that influence momentum. Take H4s infinite sprint glitch for example.

[broken tartan]

And Halo CE was not designed for sprint so imagine the havoc that will wreak unless the scripting is remade from the ground up

[lime oyster]

People really don’t like their super soldier moving faster than a joggers pace. I swear this debate used to be the reverse too when the original titles came out.

[steady jolt]

Roaming King, Husky Raid, and Castle Wars. Big CTF fan really

[candid solar]

Halo Infinite's sprint is unlimited and doesn't ruin pacing.

[tight remnant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcrbTlS8_Ns

[candid solar]

Many such cases tbh.

[tight remnant]

Yay Castle WArs!

[buoyant canyon]

This is because of the 7% movement increase

[broken tartan]

Halo Infinite was designed for sprint and even the campaign has extended maps to accomodate

[candid solar]

I remember when people blamed Reach for killing comp and said it had the worse gunplay in the franchise.

[buoyant canyon]

Or 14 I can't remember

[meager linden]

FF and Castle Wars

[candid solar]

Now it's weirdly beloved despite both of those issues still being true lmao

[jade gust]

Considering they have said it is a remake and been extremely clear the game is being remade from the ground up, I'm not sure how the scripting wouldn't be remade from the ground up

[buoyant canyon]

But it's really low

[tight remnant]

I dont think the guy included the banshee at the end in his video sadly

[broken tartan]

Halo Reach was made as a party FPS just like every previous Halo, it wasn't meant to be pure competitive.

[candid solar]

Firefight and it isn't even close. I like playing as my Spartan killing Covenant and whatever else, after all.

[trim saddle]

I was hoping for a HYUGE castle wars to drop, one flag in the center and 4 teams fighting over it.

[naive turret]

Rocket Race, or Rocket Hog Race. I miss those.

[tight remnant]

Nice people like castle wars

[vital raft]

firefight fiesta

[broken tartan]

The remake is said to use a mix of the blam engine and UE5 and CE was made on the blam engine

[vital raft]

INFINITE GRAVITY HAMMER

[trim saddle]

FF fiesta is a wonderful experience.

[vital raft]

BIG BRAIN GO BIG SMASH

[buoyant canyon]

That's why you alter levels to match that or redo level designs entirely. Having new level designs is something that I think would be cool. However at lot of Halo fans would not like that.

Halo fans don't like sprint but conveniently forget Reach had sprint and the base player speed in Reach was slower than say 3 or 2.

Realistically stretching map sizes in CE make more sense anyway.

[trim saddle]

Especially on maps that have a secret weapon 😁

[lime oyster]

I kinda really miss Warzone

[meager linden]

White Skewer tho👍

[tight remnant]

I do miss warzone

[trim saddle]

White ravager also

[candid solar]

Didn't they try doing a pseudo-Warzone in Infinite a while back?

Back during the Reclaimer Operation?

[vital raft]

the volatile skewer is soooooo good

[jade gust]

So you heard someone claim the game is using Blam! and assumed that meant all the scripting is the exact same as the original Combat Evolved?

[vital raft]

that impact noise

[candid solar]

Wait no that was Extraction

[buoyant canyon]

I do too it was probably the most innovative game mode in Halo history since Invasion on Reach. I really miss it.

[broken tartan]

Exactly, and even in Reach sprint was an armor ability, sprint is faster running than the normal max running speed.

But I 100% agree sprint should have the map accomodate for it via extension for balancing, imagine longer levels that arent too long

[vital raft]

it probably will

[jade gust]

Like, honestly WildCard, at this point, I'm starting to be convinced you don't know the difference between a remake or a remaster

[lime oyster]

Least we got Invasion back to cope with

[tacit atlas]

Firefight, swat (especially in h2a MP, it's so good in that game), castle wars and infection.

[candid solar]

Many such cases.

[tight remnant]

Warzone is my favourite multiplayer mode in all of halo

[vital raft]

i cant stand playing CE anymore cause the lack of sprint makes you realize how slow chief is

[vocal glen]

The sprint debate is so boring, and it’s not nearly as consequential as people make it out to be.

I don’t care if they do or don’t have sprint as long as the game is still fun.

That said, every younger (<25) player I’ve played halo with wherein sprint was either turned off in custom games or not in that game at all has complained about the lack of sprint and slide.

That’s how the Fortnite-brained generation is. They also complain about the slow TTK, but usually they get used to that just fine eventually. The games will never be as big as they used to be, but younger players really don’t like not having sprint.

I don’t care though. They can keep it, they can get rid of it, whatever. I just want them game to still feel like Halo, and I don’t think sprint stops that from happening. I think Infinite has the best core Halo gameplay and is an almost perfect modernization of Halo while still feeling VERY Halo. I just have a few minor changes I’d make to that core gameplay, and some more significant changes that would be mostly sandbox-based.

[vital raft]

warzone without the spawn limits would be sick

[jade gust]

I miss the objective variety Warzone Firefight had

[tight remnant]

I've been trying to ground pound in Extermination in halo infinite...

[broken tartan]

So you think I think CEA, a visual remap on the same game (CE) is the same as a fron the ground up remake using the same engine as the original game combined with UE5?

[steady jolt]

I replayed CE a few weeks ago and it took me 10 years to get anywhere

[vital raft]

make items cost points instead of being one time uses

[tight remnant]

That's just warzone turbo which I don't like

[trim saddle]

I don't think people realize that walls of text are generally looked over here.

[tight remnant]

I prefer the normal pace of a warzone game rather than being able to spawn all

[jade gust]

That's not at all what I said. You're the one acting like CEV is reusing the base code

[vital raft]

no i eman remove the 1 use per item thing and make a point system

[vocal glen]

It does reuse some code, but it’s still very much a remake.

[vital raft]

where you need enough points to summon a weapon or vehicle

[broken tartan]

In terms of the level absolutely, additions like ragdoll and removing fall damage are modifications to the gameplay directly

[tight remnant]

That system already did exist, you need to be high enough req level

[naive turret]

I'd like a points system in Firefight, tbh. Like CoD Zombies / Cybertron Escalation / Space Marine Siege

[tight remnant]

but on top of that, the uses means you cant always spam the highest thing even if it's a high level one

[steady jolt]

This is what was said about the use of legacy code in the remake:.

All of the new content created in Unreal Engine 5 is layered on top of code and systems carried directly over from the original games. That legacy code is instrumental in maintaining that authentic “Halo feel” within gameplay. It means that Halo Studios can achieve the desired visual goal with Unreal’s photorealistic rendering capabilities, with the simulation systems of Halo living and breathing beneath it, Hermann adds.

[vital raft]

peopel sitll just spam the highest tier gear

[buoyant canyon]

Besides that's not the biggest concern it's the AI in my opinion.

Take say Halo Reach. The enemies move very fast and are responsive to the fast paced movement, take Skirmishers and Elites dor example. Same with Halo 4 Prometheons.

The enemies in the campaign evolved game trailer acted more like Halo 2 enemies which is concerning if sprint is involved.

[tight remnant]

But warzone also needs a big weapon sandbox

[lime oyster]

Ima say it. Warzone Assault > Regular Warzone. I just like modes like Invasion and WA with attack/defend phases. Like Battlefields MCOM

[candid solar]

I still don't quite understand how that sort of frankenstein system works, but hey, here we are.

[broken tartan]

So it's a remaster and not a remake like we thought, so it's CEA 2 then

[steady jolt]

No....

[jade gust]

It's a remake

[candid solar]

It's a remaster like the Oblivion Remake was a Remaster. In other words, it is not a Remaster.

[tight remnant]

WArzone assault is fun, but warzone still on top for me

[trim saddle]

Yes! I like the linear Firefight maps

[broken tartan]

Oblivion is a remaster since it features no changes to gameplay

[vital raft]

their using the old code as inspiration

[vital raft]

what

entirely different combat

[steady jolt]

Using aspects of legacy code is very much different from layering the Saver3D engine over the top of the original.

[buoyant canyon]

Yeah but WHOEVER DECIDED to put invasion in COMPETETIVE genuinely should be fired cause that just gate kept arguably one of the best Halo game modes ever made behind rank progressions. When it was NOT comp in OG Reach which is odd.

[vital raft]

a redesign of the magic system

[jade gust]

I wish we had more in matchmaking in Infinite, the Academy maps are fun but I need more and Linear KotH still only has the one map

[buoyant canyon]

Genuinely one of the most infuriating parts of MCC

[broken tartan]

So are they gonna feature cut content from digsite? I'd love to see a huge battle of installation 04 that implements some macworld concepts, imagine Crash Site taking place after Halo so we can get to alpha base

[tacit atlas]

No, it has changes like overhaul of the skill system, and added sprint

[steady jolt]

Anyways, I think we're about done with the remake discussion for a bit. It's going nowhere here. Feel free to continue in the #1076337363770417172 forum

[lime oyster]

Yeah not sure why we didn’t just have Hardcore Reach as the rank for the Reach title. Invasion is more casual to me

[vocal glen]

No. It’s not like that at all. It reuses some code, that doesn’t mean it’s the same game with a new coat of paint.

Just because it has some parts of its code base that are reused from a prior title doesn’t mean it’s ALL the same, and it doesn’t mean it’s not a remake.

Level geometry, level design, enemy behavior, physics, all of it comes together. Some things are reused code, some of it’s new, and there’s more to it than just that.

[jade gust]

Just because it's a remake, that doesn't mean it's going to feature cut content from the original CE. It's possible some stuff will be added, we just don't know yet

[vocal glen]

Oops, sorry. Didn’t see that yet.

[broken tartan]

So a remake? So for short they added stuff not intended for the og maps without accomodating for it?

[steady jolt]

No worries

[naive turret]

Invasion would fit in the Composer if it didn't have a unique lobby size and wasn't exclusive to Reach.

[jade gust]

Anyway, I watched the new Frankenstein today, would recommend

[naive turret]

This the Del Torro one?

[buoyant canyon]

Invasion was super casual. Granted MLG was awful on Reach and the MLG scene was more drier than a desert. It be better to do Hardcorr anyway or BTB.

[broken tartan]

If Oblivion remastered (its name btw) accommodates for changes then great

[jade gust]

Yes!

[naive turret]

I need to get on that, I think my sister's handling tickets so Soon™

[tight remnant]

Is the New Frankenstein a series of a movie

[jade gust]

Oh I wish I could've watched it in cinemas but alas, I have had other things to deal with so I had to settle with watching it at home

[jade gust]

It is a film

[lime oyster]

Oooh ranked Reach BTB. I can see the higher rank lobbies pouring sweaty players. Some crazy BTB grinders back on the 360 release.

[tight remnant]

Maybe I should go watch it

[jade gust]

It's really good

So many fantastic practical sets and such great use of lighting

[tight remnant]

Say no more

[broken tartan]

And no disrespect to the play hosts for CE remake's e3 (ik e3s dead but its too catchy to let go plus thats pretty much what it is), but the CUPHEAD TUTORIAL GAME JOURNALIST had better skill, i mean I used to break Hunter's ankles all the time and shoot em in the back, now 2 is a little tricky but still somewhat easy to get the hang of.

[buoyant canyon]

Exactly. Invasion was never comp and never will be comp but it was on MCC which is so odd.

Be like if they made comp H3 Grifball and the only way to play it was comp lol.

[broken tartan]

even in games that later removed 1 shot back kills

[tacit atlas]

???? i don't get it, why does the map matters to this?

[steady jolt]

We've been re-watching the Godzilla films. Going to be watching Stranger Things soon in prep for the new season. Will be my wife's first time watching

[jade gust]

I am ashamed to admit I still haven't watched any Godzilla

[naive turret]

Minus One Eon, absolutely worth the watch. Fantastic film.

[trim saddle]

Time to grind some XP 💪

[tacit atlas]

Like the map is still very large

[broken tartan]

Sprint matters a lot for maps, map design takes into account the player's abilities, even games that have some sections locked off tend for a player to GAIN a new ability to unlock that section and make it easier to traverse, even SAINTS ROW 4 did this.

[jade gust]

Adding it to my list!

[vital raft]

you doing firefight?

[trim saddle]

Yup!

[vital raft]

need some back up

[lime oyster]

Ima ballpark a question. Anyone know if the Gungnir shoulders are being release? They have teased us since the artwork of season one

[vital raft]

im nto doing anything

[steady jolt]

I'm trying to decide what to watch myself next. Need to check my Netflix list

[buoyant canyon]

In spite of my best interests I'm currently watching Reach MLG rn lol.

[candid solar]

Well, this update on the 18th will be the last chance, so presumably, next update.

[broken tartan]

And even maps that make it easier with newer abilities later still have difficulty for those sections as they know you need that ability to traverse that area and make the challenge according to that

[trim saddle]

Better than being ran over by a blueberry lol

[candid solar]

THey're basically adding everything unreleased to the exchange.

[jade gust]

I would hope they're coming this Tuesday

[candid solar]

I thought the update was on the 18th?

[trim saddle]

Yes the 18th

[jade gust]

Wait? It's not on Tuesday?

[buoyant canyon]

I mean most stuff is already. Unreleased stuff or special occasion nameplates they shouldn't

[jade gust]

Have I been getting it wrong this whole time?

[candid solar]

Yes

[steady jolt]

Yeah, update is the 18th

[jade gust]

https://tenor.com/view/halo5-promethean-knight-head-bump-gif-13721229

[candid solar]

Everyone point at Eon and laugh

[jade gust]

I was hyping myself up for Tuesday...

[steady jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/ha-ha-nelson-the-simpsons-gif-14411011

[zinc bear]

hahahah 🫵 laughhh

[tacit atlas]

Nah not really, in the game the sprint let's you walk a bit faster for a couple of seconds

[broken tartan]

Plus CE remake's spirit shouldn't blow up from 1 rocket, fanmade videos knew this, it'd be more epic if the spirit got shot by a rocket and passed by the pelican not even giving a glance besides some stray shots at it as it leaves

[jade gust]

https://tenor.com/view/dandadan-aira-shiratori-dandadan-aira-gets-knocked-out-by-a-washtub-aira-dandadan-aira-gets-knocked-out-gif-6285074020419401814

[jade gust]

We never saw a SPNKr take out a Spirit in a single rocket in the demo

[candid solar]

Huh. Shadow Sorel goes really good with Locke's armor.

[broken tartan]

Pelican Rocket at the beginning of the level is shown to blow up and destroy a spirit, if that's not meant to be the case then have the ship carry on as if nothing happened but shoot at the pelicans as it leaves

[buoyant canyon]

I mean dropships should not be killed anyway as that allows insane cheesing lol.

Halo Reach proved that too well 👀

[low yoke]

i got a question for yal. who do u think is a more useful teammate in capture the flag. The person who is killing everyone, paving a way for his teammates to grab the flag. or the person grabbing the flag.

[naive turret]

The person who juggles everything and wins on their own.

[low yoke]

thats what i do

[naive turret]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[jade gust]

Ok, that's just for a cutscene and we see the Pelicans shooting at the Spirits too

[vital raft]

i personally usually grab the flag and run

[broken tartan]

I'd make them destructable but require firepower not typically wielded by a player, that way the missile launcher from Halo 3 feels useful and so do the mac cannon

[buoyant canyon]

As someone who is literally watching a CTF MLG game rn, it's definitely those who are spawn camping and keeping the spawn staggering going. Then again this depends on the map.

[jade gust]

Enough fire from heavy weapons is what should kill them. I agree they should be able to take some punishment

[low yoke]

i do literallly everything and somehow people be complaining all i do is kill. they cannot grasp the concept of me playing the slayer role for the team

[lime oyster]

Grabbing the flag. I’ve seen games where the winning team was completely negative in KD but still won because they just ran flag.

[broken tartan]

Spnkr is anti vehicular but not anti air

[jade gust]

Depending on the game, the SPNKr can lock onto air vehicles

[pliant hatch]

depends when you grab the flag.

[trim saddle]

It locked on in one game so its AA also

[broken tartan]

Never happened in previous games unless they specifically dont kill the flag guys

[obsidian wyvern]

yeah that happens smart guy

[jade gust]

I've had games in almost every Halo game where the winning team has so many more deaths

[buoyant canyon]

There is the Mac Cannon skip in POA on Reach that you can speed run the last fight scene in HR in like 3 minutes lol. One tapping Phantoms and getting the Par Score in 60 seconds is super cheesy

[obsidian wyvern]

or they do kill the flag carrier and someone else picks it up

[broken tartan]

Not in previous games with normal matches as maps that support CTF are aware of this

[jade gust]

I know, I did that to beat the game on legendary

[obsidian wyvern]

what

[buoyant canyon]

It's really good for LASO

[lime oyster]

You’re gonna have to take my word for it. It’s happened on every title. The only kills that matter is when you wipe the enemy team or close to it to run a flag cape. Most CTF kills are 1v1 fights that don’t matter too much.

[obsidian wyvern]

I guess all the ctf games I've played in previous halos just never existed

[jade gust]

I don't have the stomach for LASO I'm afraid but I have heard that as well

[low yoke]

lets say i just killed 10 people in castle wars and got a killionaire, and my teammate runs in and grabs the flag before the enemies can spawn and im still slaying enemies while they do that. who is the more vital player in this scenario. the random pleb who grabs the flag, enjoying the fruits of my labor. or ME who is literally the reason why they could ever grab the flag in the first place

[broken tartan]

So its players being stupid, k.

[buoyant canyon]

Naw bro ill take u through 3 in like 3 hours it's not bad

H3 and ODST are cake

So is 4

[pliant hatch]

both have roles. if no one grabbed the flag, then your kills would be pointless.

[low yoke]

give yals opinions on this please cuz im losing my mind

[jade gust]

You know they didn't stop designing maps with CTF in mind as one of the possible gamemodes, right? What Rev is saying is true, plenty of CTF games, even all the way back in CE, had people dying more on the winning team

[broken tartan]

Imo the franchise died of age in 2010 and due to rep its better to leave it there or have fans give concepts that take place after Halo 3

[vagrant kettle]

True, but one cannot succeed without the other

[buoyant canyon]

From what prespective

[jade gust]

Let me think on that. Because I have some stuff up in flux right now in my life so I don't know if I could commit to a LASO playthrough

[broken tartan]

New Covenant covered what Halo 4 would be like if Bungie did make one and it was glorious

[buoyant canyon]

Yeah no W idm

[lime oyster]

In that case you’re kinda both equal. You gave the chance for him to get the flag. But it would be for nothing if he didn’t take risk to go to their base to do a flag run. Without the runner, team wipes mean nothing. But we always appreciate a good slayer to give us that chance

[blazing cave]

the vital player would be the one doing the objective of the game, no?

[zinc bear]

PLEASE dont let fans give concepts 💔💔💔

[broken tartan]

MCC mods already do and those are better than official stories we get naturally due to more time

[buoyant canyon]

H2 and Reach are a pain and CE is bipolor. But all the others are super easy once youget the hang of it.

LASO is not as bad as you think it is.

[jade gust]

I've tried New Covenant, the level design leaves allot to be desired when it's not repurposing parts of Gravemind from Halo 2 for the interior of the Shadow of Intent

[obsidian wyvern]

what if we all collectively blocked a person, would they cease to exist here

[candid solar]

I can't think of anything more repulsive and poorly planned than letting a fan decide the direction of anything.

A true artist hates their work.

[hasty zinc]

I dont think they can legally use fan concepts anyway

[broken tartan]

Pov: The Star Wars EU

[jade gust]

Also the second level of New Covenant is so poorly designed and I genuinely don't know why they think it's good

[broken tartan]

Empire Rising aint a banger? thats made by a star wars fan

[zinc bear]

star wars and halo are two completely different franchises

[jade gust]

That wasn't fans making that. That was people George Lucas had specifically allowed to make official projects with the Star Wars brand

[broken tartan]

pvz dlc edition is a version of pvz MADE by fans and its better than replanted

[zinc bear]

pvz doesnt have a story

[broken tartan]

Even fans of star wars like the starkiller va joined in

[candid solar]

Because people who hate official content for anything will always insist fanmade is better no matter how garbage it actually is, assuming it's story related.

[pliant hatch]

if a fan is making great things, then maybe the studio should consider hiring them.

[hasty zinc]

I play PVZ for the story 🙏

[jade gust]

He was hired to voice a character, not make creative decisions for Star Wars

[zinc bear]

i play PVZ for the plot (crazy dave)

[buoyant canyon]

“Bungies” era of Halo yes. But if we are talking straight numbers it was after H5. The comp scene in 5 was the pinnacle of Halo Comp via numbers and just straight strats.

[naive turret]

I don't discount fan works and projects, but it's up to the devs to acknowledge or disregard anything on that front.

[broken tartan]

Halo 4 makes no sense and destroys the continuity and thats an objective fact due to several sources i cannot name here without being told to discuss it elsewhere

But New covenant doesn't

[zinc bear]

halo 4 hate will NOT be tolerated.

[obsidian wyvern]

I mean

[broken tartan]

criticism*

[jade gust]

The story wasn't great but the second level can be summed up as just C3PO wandering across the deserts of Tatooine

[naive turret]

I think it just clicked which mod you're talking about Eon and aye, it sucks lmao

[pliant hatch]

trust me bro

[zinc bear]

rev go back to your cave

[vagrant kettle]

We hate halo 4 hate

[broken tartan]

I don't hate Halo 4 but I'm extremely disappointed by it, it was meant to be the contuation of Halo 3's legendary ending, for forerunners to now be not human and actually HATE them?

[obsidian wyvern]

they're tearing down my cave tomorrow

[pliant hatch]

maybe you'll find noble 6

[jade gust]

Like, the concept of an open level where you roam around looking for stuff isn't bad, it's the execution of the level which just hurts any potential the idea had

[buoyant canyon]

H4 is still the forgotten Halo for a reason. Story is still mid and gameplay is super casual.

H5 proved that competetive gameplay attracts more players and notarization anyway.

[obsidian wyvern]

he was never in there while I was there so he's Def dead

[zinc bear]

chief said "wake me when you need me" and then cortana needed him so she woke him up. perfect writing to me.

[jade gust]

I wasn't talking about Halo 4

[zinc bear]

maybe youll find noble 6 (but louder)

[buoyant canyon]

I clicked on the wrong person mb

[broken tartan]

It'd honestly make more sense for Noble 6 to have survived reach than every single last event in Halo 4, and that's objective fact and not by opinion

[jade gust]

Also, I wouldn't say Halo 4 is the "Forgotten Halo"

[hasty zinc]

H4 is still the forgotten Halo for a reason
multiple people mention and talk about it every day here

[zinc bear]

im the main source of keeping halo 4 alive

[broken tartan]

He means by the majority of gamers

[naive turret]

Unless you add 'King of the Hill by Mountain Dew' to the end

[jade gust]

I'd argue Halo Spartan Assault or Spartan Strike are much more fitting games for that title

[jade gust]

Ok yeah, this is the forgotten Halo

[hasty zinc]

zero evidence to back that statement up whatsoever

[naive turret]

unquantifiable proclamations go brrrrrr

[zinc bear]

the TRUE forgotten halo is warthog launch.

[broken tartan]

I do, on every Halo fan club and community nobody discusses Halo 4 besides to have divisive thoughts, most talk about the bungie games and later 343 games, especially youtubers, like em or hate em, their sub count represents the fanbase too as do discord and twitter followers

[zinc bear]

"my halo fan club doesnt talk about halo 4 which means everybody doesnt talk about it"

[naive turret]

So are you gonna like, give us a pie chart or somethng beyond an annectdote or

[hasty zinc]

you don't have enough information. period

that's a statement you can't possibly back up, your experiences do not equal the totality of gamers

[zinc bear]

halo 4 is also extremely important to chiefs arc so i dont think its forgotten either

[broken tartan]

Neither do you and you seem to be a staff member (no disrespect, I even seen the best not know everything so take it with a grain of salt), as I rarely seen Halo 4 discussed even here, currently it's about the remake

[jade gust]

"My acting group doesn't talk about The Mummy (1999), that must mean nobody likes it, right?"
Like, you see how flawed of a statement that is right?

[buoyant canyon]

Historically untrue. Halo 4 had one of the largest player drop offs in the franchise history and the story took years for people to actually like.

I could send likes and articles on it but there isn't much of a point.

I do give it credit, it has aged very well over time but that's been in recent years. Talking about it now sure, but it still doesnt change that is was kinda a forgotten Halo Historically.

[jade gust]

Because the remake is the hot topic right now, not because people are trying to forget Halo 4 exists

[naive turret]

It's a self report of being in an echo-chamber more than anything else.

Maybe I should start praising H4 to even out his experience.

Y'know its iteration of Never Forget is the best in the series.

[pulsar heron]

i think aegis alone mentions halo 4, positively, most days a week. therems a lot of halo4 chatter here, and it's no more divided really than any other chatter about any other halo game

[jade gust]

I love how much more alive Requiem feels compared to the Halos

[zinc bear]

people talk more about halo in this server rather than dead island, that means it doesnt exist.

[broken tartan]

Chief actually devolves as a character based on story (Aka its not up to speculation), He becomes clingy to an AI he only knew for a few months compared to the loved ones he knew for years who died in his arms or in front of him, also the chosen one trope is confirmed by a main plot point

[pliant hatch]

you've been a member here for less than a month, but okay.

[buoyant canyon]

Lol

[naive turret]

Getting to fly a Pelican in a non-easter egg capacity for the first time was pretty neat too.
Also it has a tank gun on the top? I didn't know that for years

[jade gust]

Go through multiple galaxy saving adventures with someone, I'd expect there to be some attachment to them, regardless of the amount of time you've actually known them

[broken tartan]

And I've checked out several communities in my online presence on many platforms, so the fact I'm being told off without at least being asked for proof is unprofessional

[pulsar heron]

hold on, guys. i have some definitive numbers

[pliant hatch]

you're the one making the claim

[broken tartan]

And its not MEANT to disrespect but I must be as honest yet polite as i can be

[jade gust]

I just wish the level itself was better. And aye, the tank gun was for co-op

[zinc bear]

the whole point of halo 4 is that chief is learning how to feel and be human. im sure if halo 4 chief relived those previous events he wouldve been more sad and more loving.

[jade gust]

Cortana being at the end of her life is part of that journey for Chief

[zinc bear]

583 of those messages on the first page are me and aegis

[broken tartan]

I am, in the majority of online interactions I had with Halo, I rarely hear Halo 4's discussions and mostly hear about Infinite and bungie's games (In fact why don't they credit bungie in mcc thats unfortunate)

[naive turret]

They...do credit Bungie in MCC wym

[zinc bear]

they're talking about the message at the end of reach probably

[hasty zinc]

your experiences are your own, you cannot possibly have enough data to back up the claim you made

nobody can

[indigo lotus]

Don’t make clams unless you have evidence to back up you clam. Halo 4 had been fairly discussed hear on general chat

[jade gust]

Is that not Bungie's logo on the box?

[broken tartan]

So then give that in a story that doesn't involve the chosen one trope and him clinging to an AI he barely knew, maybe have Johnson revealed to have survived the Halo 3 ending and have reunited with chief (He was known for surviving situations before) or even have a relative of his unite with chief, so it still has impact.

[zinc bear]

ahh you have the og disc version!! i want it so bad but its expensive everywhere

[buoyant canyon]

What doesn't help is that H5 just back tracked on most of the story of H4 which again shows why it's forgotten by most.

Let me put it this way. If Halo 4 was NOT in MCC it would become so left alone and just well… there… that I don't think many within the Halo Community would still reference it as much as they do.

[jade gust]

Had it since day one

[naive turret]

I know it's only one arrow, I hope that was enough

[broken tartan]

They don't credit bungie in the opening screen and only thru one note

[zinc bear]

i need around 6 or 7 arrows

[zinc bear]

cause bungie didnt make mcc

[jade gust]

Johnson surviving Halo 3 wouldn't have made sense and how would a relative of Johnson have just stumbled across Chief sleeping?

[naive turret]

I'm tempted to meme this but I gotta get food

[jade gust]

Ooooh, what food are ya getting?

[naive turret]

Just imagine Xperia with a pog face and twenty more arrows

[broken tartan]

Not in the game itself only on packaging and store page

[jade gust]

It's still Bungie being credited

[pulsar heron]

splash screens arent the same thing as credits. bungie is also credited in the actual credits

[zinc bear]

im sure its on the disc too

[broken tartan]

maybe make the relative part of the infinity and imo the infinity wouldn't be that big, closer to how the autumn was

[naive turret]

I think my Dad had Steak Pie and gravy so I'm gonna take the other half of that 😋

[jade gust]

Nice

[broken tartan]

The ingame credits arent there at all as even playable cutscenes

[jade gust]

Infinity's size has no importance to who Chief is worried about dying

[broken tartan]

Kinda is since the infinity is meant to be a recipient of the SOS signal, if the crew and ship die, he loses his way out, but on top of that if you put someone he knew on that ship it can work

[indigo lotus]

Thinking of food is making me hungry. Maybe I get Chipotle as a meal

[zinc bear]

thinking of raptor being hungry is making me hungry.

[broken tartan]

Imagine if Lord Hood piloted the infinity, that'd be a banger capital ship for his name

[zinc bear]

lord hood is too chopped

[jade gust]

Again, what about the size of the ship is important to that? Infinity could've been the size of the In Amber Clad and the story would still have played out basically the same

[jade gust]

He has no interest in being the one leading the UNSC in exploring further out. He's focused on looking after Earth

[lime oyster]

You’re braver than me to eat at Chipotle

[broken tartan]

If he dies from old age according to the story then make Lasky to be Lord Hood's protégé, also in the original Halo 4 Lasky was pretty much the only guy who respected chief, I'd revamp the crew to honor his return a bit but treat him like a veteran, just enough to not believe everythinf automatically but enough to put some faith in him

and Del Rio should be a veteran that respects chief, butts some heads but overall understands, that way there's still a dynamic there

and not that SURRENDER THAT AI nonsense which he had every right to tell chief in the og since cortana almost EMPed the entire ship

[indigo lotus]

I prefer Chipotle than Taco Bell. Plus the food from Chipotle is made from scratch and tastes very good

[young sage]

Happy Halo 2 Day!

To anyone who'll be playing it on Insignia later, wish it was me lol

[vagrant kettle]

Meh, I’ve been having some bad luck with chipotle lately.
The local one just hiked up their prices and their quality has gone down in the last year.
But that’s just my location

[broken tartan]

No walker section due to ship being too small, plus smaller ship creates more tension, I'm befuddled how the infinity didn't adapt to the situation

But imo I'd rewrite it to be a smaller ship, it is only 4 years after THE NEAR WIPEOUT OF THE UNSC AND LANDSLIDE VICTORY thanks to the sangheili

[lime oyster]

Perhaps mine is just treated poorly. Very poorly

[lime oyster]

But Mantis cool

[broken tartan]

I'd have the same level but in a jungle area that involves taking a covenant shipping platform to attack the Didact's ship, and I'd have the didacr be anonymous in appearanxe and make him look closer to Halo Legend's portrayal of him since HE FIRED THE ARRAY

[jade gust]

Not everyone in the UNSC blindly praises Master Chief. It'd be more odd if that was the case

[broken tartan]

So imo the didact sealed himself with stasis

[blazing cave]

woaaaaah

did someone hack my account!? 🤔

[jade gust]

Halo 4 was set 4 years after Halo 3. Cortana tells us this in the first mission. Also, it wasn't a landslide victory for the UNSC, they survived the war because of luck

[broken tartan]

But they also shouldn't all disrespect him as if he's senile either, he's a WAR VETERAN THAT SAVED ALL OF HUMANITY, at least a little respect is felt by those who were there, and it's only 4 years after Halo 3 so it isn't too far off from then.

[jade gust]

Del Rio is the only person on the Infinity who clashed with Chief over Cortana, he wasn't actively disrespecting him every moment he could

[broken tartan]

I'd also Change Cortana's rampancy to be self awareness as she had time to think for her near lifetine limit before going rogue and then thinks herself to death in confusion if she should rebel against the UNSC for their actions thanks to her ONI records or stay loyal as the UNSC did save humanity, it'd be a nice character conflict that allows bungie's rampancy as seen with mendicant bias to happen with Cortana too

[jade gust]

Cortana was already self aware back in Combat Evolved

[broken tartan]

He was, and he was actually in the right in wanting cortana taken to be decommissioned, she almost EMPed an entire ship and chief didn't get shocked or concerned enough to at least keeo her chip in a pocket instead of his HEAD where she might spontaneously act up?

[broken tartan]

Mendicant Bias was self aware and he openly rebelled against the forerunners due to rampancy

[jade gust]

Chief trusted Cortana, and she wouldn't be much use if she was stuffed into a pocket

[jade gust]

Rampancy isn't an AI becoming self aware

[broken tartan]

Was she much use when she caused a power surge directly in the bridge?

[broken tartan]

It actually is according to the original Halo crew, even in the terminals on Halo 3

[obsidian wyvern]

drops for this stance rn, 2 hours watch time and just under 3 hours to finish it

[broken tartan]

It's AIs rebelling against their makers, Cortana doing this would add conflict and make it work.

Via a better way than Halo 5

[jade gust]

Did you actually pay attention to how Cortana acts in any of the original trilogy. If she wasn't self aware, why would she act in any way at all like how she did in those games?

[pulsar heron]

caught in 4k :p

[broken tartan]

Like maybe showing UEG citizens what the UNSC did to dissidents during the insurrectionist war and the devious stuff they did during the covenant war after Chief loses her, that'd still give a reason to have chief lose cortana at the end and give Halo 5 credence since it could kick off a civil war that has covenant and sangheili and forerunner factions all fight each other around the galaxy, even cult ideologies of humans an aliens being allies for forerunners maybe

[pulsar heron]

i think this convo can move to lore now, folks

[jade gust]

I was honestly gonna walk away from it since it seems like they're not listening to what I'm saying anyway

[blazing cave]

lol halo 4 was pretty good tho

[broken tartan]

Mendicant Bias did and he commanded the flood cuz he had the logic plague, evem cortana in Halo 3 got the logic plague so Halo 4 would be a good payoff for itz also we're being told to move ot elsewhere so I must stop for a bit in general

so sorry if i cant discuss it further but rules are rules

[candid solar]

They don't. It's why I have them blocked and a note showing why I blocked them.

[hasty zinc]

you can discuss it, just in #lore-and-universe

[indigo lotus]

Wild keeps moving the goalpost

[broken tartan]

I'm blocked for constructive criticism? Dang, didn't know dismissing with no proof is better than discussing why you disagree or engaging in conversation

[pliant hatch]

eh, casually I guess.

[hasty zinc]

enough

[pulsar heron]

anyway. moving on

[hasty zinc]

move on

[broken tartan]

no wonder broken circle was right, I'm going for now.

[candid solar]

Yeah. Kinda part of the issue. Ever since CECE got announced people like that have been much, much more common here.

Something about a remake always makes a bunch of purists get all pissy.

[jade gust]

Anyway, anybody got any games or anything they're excited for coming up soon? I'll admit I am curious about how Bungie are gonna handle things in their next Destiny expansion, given the Star Wars collab nature of it

[pulsar heron]

in all seriousness: i havent properly played a game for like. two years. i'm excited to play any game at this point

[candid solar]

Well, that and one other thing, but that thing shouldn't be discussed and seems to have died out.

[vagrant kettle]

I’m excited for Operation Infinite

[hasty zinc]

I think I'm getting close to the end of DK Bananza and I"m getting sad

[jade gust]

Fair. Any specific game in mind or any old game?

I have heard so much good stuff about Bananza

[candid solar]

I'm as excited as I can be about it. Which unfortunately, isn't incredibly excited, but hey, at least I can dress up my Spartan Dolls.

[hasty zinc]

it's absolutely fantastic

[meager linden]

My game pool so small
Mostly of them it's sandbox

[pulsar heron]

i stopped keeping track of my to-play list ages ago

[jade gust]

Fair

[pulsar heron]

i'd like to replay some older games i think. relive my ps2 era

[jade gust]

Simpsons Hit and Run better be on that list

[stoic ravine]

For me Resident Evil 9, High on Life are 2 I'm really excited for

[pulsar heron]

IT IS!

[jade gust]

And Crash Bandicoot Wrath of Cortex

[jade gust]

I need RE9 ASAP

[pulsar heron]

eon you and i are locked in

[stoic ravine]

I just rebought it on PS2 to 100 percent it

[jade gust]

Fun fact, since it was Travellers Tales who made that one, some of my old lecturers at uni worked on it

[jade gust]

Good luck!

[meager linden]

I'm liking playing Cyberpunk, Minecraft, Terraria, Factorio, TBOI, AC6, Craft the World, Satisfactory, Halo, Diablo 4
And that's all games that I'm currently playing

[stoic ravine]

Thank you!

I've beaten everything thats came out this year I've wanted so far not sure if there is anything else

[hybrid plover]

arc raiders

[meager linden]

It is good?
I heard it's same as Helldivers

[jade gust]

Fair. I'll admit I've not bought many new games this year since I've been trying to save money (I say as if I didn't buy a copy of Pokémon XD earlier this year and have to avoid thinking about the cost)

[summer karma]

Bunga bunga booga

[stoic ravine]

It's more like Escape from Tarkov

[hybrid plover]

uh it’s similar to helldivers i guess? But also not really. it’s is and extraction shooter but there are other people on the map with you

[meager linden]

Ew, Tarkov

[hybrid plover]

who could be hostile or not. it’s like dayz and helldivers i guess lol

[stoic ravine]

Me buying God of War merch haha

[summer karma]

What’s yall fav halo games? Mines Reach

[meager linden]

DayZ mentioned

[stoic ravine]

3 for me

[jade gust]

Sometimes you just don't know if you'll get another chance

[stoic ravine]

YES! someone gets it

[meager linden]

Just Halo
It is good for answer?

[jade gust]

Halo 4

[hybrid plover]

i’d recommend checking it out! it looks amazing also. plus it’s $40

[zinc bear]

guess what mine is you guys

[summer karma]

My second favorite halo game is GoWR

[pulsar heron]

(chat's moved on but i'm not deleting this bc it took so long to write out lol)
bought a second hand ps2 at some point during the pandemic plus a bunch of games for my dad to play when he's bored (NFS mostly - he hates how most new racing games require you to agree to a eula even if you dont plan to go online). but i also bought a bunch of games i always wanted to own/play. entire jak and daxter series, splinter cell, i think maybe a metal gear game? stuff like that. never got around to playing any of it

[misty marsh]

3

[zinc bear]

Don’t even joke

[summer karma]

Red Vs Blue

[pulsar heron]

i dont think anyone could guess my favourite halo. because i dont even know my favourite halo

[jade gust]

Like, not joking, I am contemplating documenting my journey through the GameCube Pokémon games, just so I can be like "Hey, I did this"

[zinc bear]

Halo: recruit?

[stoic ravine]

Gears Reloaded or God of War Ragnarok?

[summer karma]

God

[misty marsh]

My b
Is it 3?

[hybrid plover]

halo fred 3

[stoic ravine]

Thats amazing! do it!!

[summer karma]

I still haven’t played Gears, I’m prolly missing out but idk

[jade gust]

I need to try Splinter Cell at some point, never managed to find a copy. Also tempted by the MGS3 remake

[frozen ocean]

Halo.

[misty marsh]

Halo Linda 3

[zinc bear]

I’m gonna Swiss cheese you………………………………..,,,

[summer karma]

What did you say that got instantly deleted

[zinc bear]

Oh yeah.. now THATS a proper halo game.

[frozen ocean]

Halo

[obsidian wyvern]

something that probably cant be said

[misty marsh]

Ohhhhh
Yeah it's 3

[zinc bear]

I said “where” but I replied to the wrong person and tried to send it again and it got deleted for spam

[frozen ocean]

Halo

[stoic ravine]

Halo Gears flood 3

[jade gust]

I need to figure out some stuff because I have a few different things I want to try over the next month or so

[summer karma]

My third fav halo game is Power Washing Simulator

[misty marsh]

I'm too good at guessing

[zinc bear]

Halo of war diverlands 6.7

[stoic ravine]

Good luck on them! sure its gonna be fun

[waxen rose]

Kit? More like Ms. Guessinater 3000

[zinc bear]

Hello maser freak

[jade gust]

Thanks!!

[waxen rose]

Hello my name is massr frea

[summer karma]

Top 5 Halo Games:

1. Halo but better
2. Halo
3. Halo
4. Halo
5. Halo

[misty marsh]

Doofenschmirtz is my dad

[zinc bear]

Hello my name is the real master chief

[pulsar heron]

man, chat moves way too fast for my brain and hands these days. you guys are so vocal now

[summer karma]

Wort wort

[zinc bear]

That’s my evil side

[stoic ravine]

LOOOOOUUUUD NOISES

[waxen rose]

He showed up to your birth… unlike his own parents

[zinc bear]

Cause WE talk too much and it’s not just me who can’t stop rambling

[jade gust]

The solution is 24 hour slowmode

[rough thicket]

i agree

[summer karma]

Yo yo it’s Sam from the UNSC

[waxen rose]

You are fake I can sense it

[stoic ravine]

imagine

[pulsar heron]

the solution is me putting my heating on two hours sooner than i did. i'm freezing rn

[obsidian wyvern]

they should do that when ce releases

[zinc bear]

2 year slow mode

[meager linden]

Alright
See you all tomorrow

[obsidian wyvern]

you only get 1 message until the next halo comes out

[jade gust]

Oh I feel ya on that. The winter nights are coming

[summer karma]

guys halo 3 is coming out tomorrow, is anyone else waiting in line?

[zinc bear]

1 message per RVB season

[waxen rose]

Its time to wrap yourself up in 6 blankets with fuzzy pink socks, three hats, a fuzzy mask, ear muffs, and many many heaters around you going on full blast
will that be enough?

[zinc bear]

Probably gonna suck but I think @misty marsh will like it

[pulsar heron]

i remember a server i'm in did a 24 hour slowmode prank, i think it was from like april 1st to the 7th or something. every channel was 24hr slow mode

[jade gust]

Considering no more RvB is coming, that's one last message for everyone here

[pulsar heron]

this sounds like heaven rn

[summer karma]

I don’t think bungie will ever do anything bad to their games

[zinc bear]

Yoo I remember that it was crazy lol. Me and you were raging 😂😂

[odd anchor]

El pozole

[waxen rose]

True heaven is being a snug bug in a rug and watching House unironically

[summer karma]

[insert thousand yard stare]

[odd anchor]

Are you actually Russian?

[waxen rose]

Yes

[zinc bear]

He’s darealrussianman

[summer karma]

how many of yall played destiny 2

[misty marsh]

Yes

[waxen rose]

What gave it away?

[odd anchor]

He's totally not a Russian spy

[summer karma]

It’s not that bad but they have done bad stuff to it

[zinc bear]

Maybe the fact that you never sent me your goth Linda art when you said you would 2 months ago

[jade gust]

I don't think blowing up a studio is a good thing to suggest, regardless of your thoughts on the game

[waxen rose]

I only spy to make sure there aren't any Fred haters.

[summer karma]

I’ve had a lot of fun playing it, its new content is mid as hell a lot of the time

[pulsar heron]

ohhhh dont tempt me, i still have to finish watching House

[odd anchor]

What if I hate him ?

[zinc bear]

Omg I love house

[odd anchor]

I'm jokinggggg oh my gosh

[stoic ravine]

There's plenty of worse games than Destiny 2

[odd anchor]

Anyways, im hungy

I need pozole to fuel me

[summer karma]

Well I mean the standard game is free so they have to charge for expansions, but since they charge for them they should atleast put more effort into making them fun and not cash grabs

[zinc bear]

Eric foreman my beloved

[waxen rose]

Jingles keys in front of you

But instead of keys it's cozy and watching a crazy tv show

[candid solar]

I wonder how I can spice up this silver dragon mini.

War paint?

[broken tartan]

They celebrated halo with cool guns but still bungie shouldn't do what they did with destiny 2, their Discord got converted to a marathon reboot discord and games dead on teaser, at least 343's games only died on arrival like infinite (No disrespect but first impressions matter)

[odd anchor]

Put it in the soup

[broken tartan]

so 343 won over bungie in that regard

[waxen rose]

I will curse you to always be doomed to eat cold food no matter how much you heat it up

[summer karma]

Bye now

[odd anchor]

Bye bye 👋🏼

[summer karma]

Wort wort wort

[silver arch]

I just successfully pulled off the warthog fling trick in CE for the first time 💪 . (I also pulled off the grenade skip the previous level for the first time too)

[stoic ravine]

Wort wort wort

[odd anchor]

Arggghhhh

[silver arch]

Incredible what can be done in the Halo games to save time

[odd anchor]

Halo best game.

[waxen rose]

Heh… just wait till the secret coveted golden warthog trick in halo 2 /s

[silver arch]

Need me a golden warthog frfr

[pulsar heron]

i thjnk i got to like. season2 or something. i havent even SEEN the crazy yet

[waxen rose]

You need to start binging…. Now!!1!!1!

[stoic ravine]

I really want a Kratos armour set in mp when it eventually comes to PS

[lime oyster]

Army Painter or Citadel ?

[stoic ravine]

My Halo video collection blu rays come tomorrow!

[steady jolt]

[stoic ravine]

Gotta love physical media

[waxen rose]

Displaying physical media is the best part

[stoic ravine]

Especially steelbooks

[waxen rose]

Get a nice book stand for your steelbook… make it look all nice

[stoic ravine]

Perfect display indeed

[coarse ingot]

Hi

i new

[steady jolt]

[stoic ravine]

Hello!

[buoyant canyon]

For the tv show?

[stoic ravine]

Any game, movie or show

[hasty zinc]

https://tenor.com/vmuu4Phzlxb.gif

[fallow iris]

finished HW1, what a game

[vapid path]

Gta 6 got delayed again 😔

[nova nebula]

HALO 2 CAME OUT 2DAY

[obsidian wyvern]

pretty annoying feature

[pulsar heron]

hello! welcome to the server! be mindful of our #rules-and-guidelines and feel free to grab some #roles

[misty marsh]

Flip my friends