general-chat

[junior kestrel]

White, black and red should not be 20 dollars.

[bright shoal]

halo infinite was just scummy all around unfortunately

[signal wedge]

too bad pay up

[junior kestrel]

https://x.com/Photoshop_Gy/status/1986909610888908906

Click it, it's funny.

Also idea for CECE. Put key's initials on the first Magnum.

[buoyant canyon]

Well my concern is that they will make H7, but if CE goes bad they might just not make H2 and H3

[bright shoal]

I honestly kinda hope it does go bad

a part of me simply does not want them getting off scott free for taking the easy way out by making remakes instead of their own games :P

[buoyant canyon]

I agree

[bright shoal]

they make these stories people like and would love to play but instead of doing that, they focus on chief

[buoyant canyon]

Unfortunately I want them to be successful but not like this

[bright shoal]

I get John is literally the face of halo but my god it gets to a point

[candid solar]

If that's what it takes, good.

I don't want them to be successful by nihilistically cashing in on nostalgia.

[junior kestrel]

Also.

I don't want gun customisation for halo. Tbh.

I don't wanna be swapping recievers/skins and paint schemes. Muddies the identification game.

[bright shoal]

I actually think the only game they should've thought about remaking was halo 3

[buoyant canyon]

Naw chiefs gotta go there is so much they can do with Halo but 343 can't since Chief is Microsofts poster boy

[bright shoal]

mostly because idk how you can top Blurs job on halo 2's remaster

[junior kestrel]

I want them to be successful under the conditions that they adhere to the original bungie games.

[buoyant canyon]

I would love to see a spin off game of SIVs there is so much they could do with that

[junior kestrel]

I have some issues with the in game presentation of H2A.

After playing an extended amount of it in classic graphics.

H2A has better cinematics but 2 classic has better atmosphere.

[bright shoal]

343 has the art style now, they just need to find the damn formula 😭

[junior kestrel]

Some of it.

They don't have the full style just yet.

[bright shoal]

agree to disagree, halo 2 classic only does the flood fog better tbh

[junior kestrel]

Too chrome.

I need more dirt, grime and rust.

I NEED THESE HUSKS TO BE FILTHY

[bright shoal]

dense and horrifying, on h2a graphics its easy to see

[buoyant canyon]

I'd them also making Campaign Evolved LASO harder than H2 is interesting

[bright shoal]

also its just a campaign

[junior kestrel]

I also think the light mapping in halo 2 classic is better.

Especially if the dynamic lighting was reimplemented.

[bright shoal]

thats my biggest issue with the remake

[buoyant canyon]

I'm not against it but like H2 was difficult by accident not by purpose

[bright shoal]

did they not learn from h2a

[junior kestrel]

It was on purpose tbh. Just they couldn't get it right cause of the hardware limitations.

[bright shoal]

making a remake without one of its core aspects is just so horrifically dumb

[signal wedge]

next Halo major update will be the last for Infinite. Bad news. This means Halo 7 only comes out in 2027-

[junior kestrel]

IF they could halo 2 would basically have encounters with like 50 dudes or smt.

At once.

[bright shoal]

can't wait for the next halo game to be horrifically bad because Halo studios took the easy way out by making a campaign only remake instead of a fully-fledged game to experiment more and use the years of failure for learning

[buoyant canyon]

Well that was a remake not a reboot

Remake is just overhauling graphics. A reboot is adding more and like building on the original.

We can debate what “building” means but that's the difference

[bright shoal]

leaving people with only halo infinite multiplayer is just cruel

halo communities been through enough, give everyone a $60-70 game thats actually complete this time

[junior kestrel]

Or they could just relearn and do CE 90% as it was, and give us more ability to use the sandbox like the sword, fuel rod and wraith.

I don't remember seeing any ammo packs tho.

So that's concerning.

[bright shoal]

my main issue with focusing on halo's sandbox is it tends to never end well

[junior kestrel]

WHAT!?

[bright shoal]

people float towards like 2-3 weapons nowadays

and everything else is never picked up and used

[buoyant canyon]

Especially multiplayer this is true

[junior kestrel]

Halo IS the sandbox.

Focusing the sandbox by keeping it to just 10 weapons would be super focused.

Also multiplayer wise, you want people to engage with the sandbox, force them to. Make them hunt for the good weapons they like in multiplayer and campaign.

[buoyant canyon]

That was literally the biggest complaint from Reach

[bright shoal]

reach is the worst example and proof of my claim

any long ranged weapon completely dominates

[junior kestrel]

Halo 2 and 3 expanded the sandbox. While 2 it was brs/carbines or nothing. 3 was far more balanced.

[bright shoal]

some of the maps are literally colored a certain way to where a team just has an advantage in stuff like Swat

[junior kestrel]

In fact the AR will out do a BR in cqb.

I've done it myself.

[bright shoal]

I love it when my win is decided by the map and what team Im on!

[buoyant canyon]

Literally so bad MLG was on that game for like 18 months

[bright shoal]

I forget what map it is but in reach one of the maps were just full of blue lighting

[buoyant canyon]

Zealot?

[bright shoal]

so whenever I get swat or anything sniper related its so scuffed

[junior kestrel]

Sounds like an issue of maps being used wrong.

[bright shoal]

because if you arent blue team you're losing 90% of the time

[buoyant canyon]

Next to Sanc those were the most common

[bright shoal]

in a gamemode where only headshots matter

in a big map where the lighting is blue with long ranged weapons

that gives blue team such a massive advantage its insane

[buoyant canyon]

Yeah no that's SWAT, fun game mode but not comp lol

[bright shoal]

swats barely fun

because Im seemingly cursed to keep ending up with that infuriating map

yeah lemme just try playing casually in a swat match against blue team where I have to play where's waldo against pixel perfect demons

[buoyant canyon]

Well that's just Reach sus Bloom mechanics

[bright shoal]

huh

my issue was literally the lighting obscuring blue team and making it harder to spot them

on any other map its fine but on that one in particular you're screwed

[buoyant canyon]

I mean lighting isn't that bad in MCC with the frame buff

[bright shoal]

yuh, as I said its just that one map

what also doesn't help is said blue lighting and blue glowing details are in areas with perfectly narrow sniping windows

[buoyant canyon]

i mean I play reach competitively and I never notice it

[bright shoal]

I play casually because I like to enjoy the game Im playing

[odd anchor]

I like to play halo because it takes the pain away 🔥

[bright shoal]

but unfortunately mcc uses a challenge system to get stuff instead of just earning credits so im forced into area's I hate to make progress

[indigo anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/vinland-saga-thorfinn-canute-rizz-l-rizz-gif-27365266

HIIII

[buoyant canyon]

I never noticed it was all.

Reach always has issues with gameplay and maps more than lighting. Reach maps are AWFUL lol

[bright shoal]

well yeah some reach maps are too big

[buoyant canyon]

Well yeah that's to fit the DMR gun play

With that combined with the remakes in forge and the awful anniversary maps. Hope we don't return to that lol

[scarlet stream]

just finished playing halo ce woo

[timid roost]

playing ranked is more like adding variety to the pain lol

[buoyant canyon]

W

[odd anchor]

🤷‍♀️

[placid tree]

Man I really forgot how peak Halo 3 ODST was

Idk why I didn’t appreciate this one before

Data hive’s vibes are just immaculate

[bright shoal]

odst stuff has a ton of potential

its just unfortunate it took helldivers 2 releasing to see that

[placid tree]

Also ngl, Halo 3 ODST OST is heavenly

[placid tree]

I’m not sure I’ll ever get that crossover, but I’m grateful for the reminder it gave me that I haven’t played this game in a long time

Maybe hot take but I don’t just love how the ODST Magnum looks, I love how it plays

The Magnum in this game is just my “delete grunts, jackals, and anything else I can headshot” tool

Really high ammo and accuracy

[candid solar]

Hmn.

[junior kestrel]

Hmm.

@candid solar What would be your ideal remake of ce anyways?

[placid tree]

Certainly beats the piece of crap that was the Halo 3 Magnum

Hate that thing

[candid solar]

Nonexistent.

My ideal setting for a remake or remaster is the continuous update of the ability for modern systems to run the original program, and the promotion of fanmade adaptations/total conversions of old systems.

[placid tree]

Well at the very least, 343 made it very easy to play OG CE even if it isn’t 100% 1:1

[candid solar]

In other words, keep the original alive, support fan attempts to recontextualize as the series evolves, and make no personal effort to remake or remaster old entries.

I am strongly against a remake or remaster of any kind out of principle.

[junior kestrel]

So stand alone trilogy release. Seperate from one another. Native running instead of suto emulation.

[candid solar]

Basically.

[junior kestrel]

Seudo?

[candid solar]

Pseudo.

[junior kestrel]

I can't spell it.

Thanks.

[candid solar]

o7

[placid tree]

Honestly I’m a filthy consumer

I will have remake and be happy

[junior kestrel]

... I don't wanna be rude.

[candid solar]

I mean I'm not gonna say my principles are made to remain unbroken depending on subject. No ethical consumption under capitalism and all that.

I own funko pops like any other freakshow.

[placid tree]

I’m excited for the changes they could make, imo the worst case scenario is that it just becomes CE in gameplay but pretty, which is just a remaster at that point

[junior kestrel]

Something that distinguishes us.

I don't have funkos. Cause I find em auspicious and ugly.

[candid solar]

They are ugly.

[patent gate]

Alright do I reinstall mcc because for the past few days it’s the only game on my console that’s not launching or just “took too long to start” I’m out of ideas

[candid solar]

I mostly just bought them because I liked Fallout.

[junior kestrel]

CE is pretty.

[placid tree]

RIP yeah idk probably look it up and try to find it on the internet

[candid solar]

It's more... I don't feel nostalgia, right? I rate low on any emotional index study I take, I don't register emotion on the subject of past issues. The past is mostly something that should be known to understand the present, to any detail, to guide, not to wallow.

The past is a foreign country.

[placid tree]

I think CE is a very pretty game, doesn’t mean modern visuals on it don’t appeal to me. It doesn’t have to be one or the other

[candid solar]

The laws are not the same, the rules are not the same, and the people there speak a different language. There's a pastiche of what you knew. It is dead from the now.

[placid tree]

This remake will never replace the original, I will always play it

[junior kestrel]

I don't have nostalgia for ce or 2.

I just like em the way the are.

[candid solar]

But understanding the past, understanding the routes and fights and laws, understanding how we got where we are in an abstract and material sense, is paramount.

Which is why technological preservation is the second archeology of our time.

[placid tree]

I guess I just see it a bit differently, I have basically no nostalgia for any of the Halo games, I just didn’t get into them long enough ago. I see remakes as a way of taking that point in the canon and remixing it in a way that fits how the franchise has changed. CE has always been a bit of an outlier in presentation and that’s a strength, but there’s merit to making CE fit in a bit more with the rest. It’s not like it’s harming the original when that’s pretty easy to play

[candid solar]

You understand the past, even hate it, because you want you, your children, your children's children, to persist in a world that was improved by the knowledge you learned, retained, and passed on, the message you curated, sanitized, and triaged for importance without censoring the details for 'decorum'.

[placid tree]

Most importantly, CE is relatively low scale, makes it a lower risk project to allow them to get their bearings on UE5 while being a good jumping on point for PS players

[candid solar]

I'm no longer in the realm of sobriety so my more esoteric and philosophical bent is leaning right now.

[patent gate]

Yea it looks like that’s what I’ll have to do since I’m not too sure on what clearing local saved games is.

[placid tree]

This is why I don’t see remakes as good replacements

[candid solar]

Objectively, they are not replacements.

[placid tree]

They will never replace the original

[candid solar]

They are retellings and nothing could. but the environment that made the original the original can also never exist.

[placid tree]

This is why the greatest sin a remake can commit…is for nobody to bother having the original available

Then the implication is that it’s your only option, you have to play this version, the original is gone

This is the better version, the real version, it’s super arrogant

It’s why Demon’s Souls Remake is so terrible

[candid solar]

Ugh.

No, like... One second.

The nature, the why, the how, the reasoning, and the intent, the drive and the will and the way, is more important than what shape it takes.

A remake can be great.

But it is a form. Not a nature.

[placid tree]

I appreciate what you’re saying but can you make it a little less cryptic lol

I’m literal

[limpid ferry]

I would’ve never expected Halo Infinite to essentially come to a close so soon 🙁

[candid solar]

What I'm saying is that its form can have potential in the sense of what it is intended to provide.

What is it meant for. What is it meant to do. And what does it actually do.

[limpid ferry]

The Final operation never expected to hear those words

[candid solar]

If you break something out of selfish desire but it ultimately provides a righteous and correct path forward, the nature of your action is more important than why you performed the action, or what said action specifically was.

As I am concerned, Halo CECE is something poor-natured but well-formed. And that is, from the perspective of a dedicated artist, not great.

[limpid ferry]

At least Operation Infinite is giving us some worthy cosmetic content.

[candid solar]

Something done out of rote desire and need to earn goodwill shines as bright as that epithet will allow, and that bulb is proverbially dim.

I know I'm still being somewhat cryptic. Are you getting any of this?

[placid tree]

I think there is no better example of a remake done right than Metroid Zero Mission. It is honestly nothing like the original. The tone is different, the visuals are different, the gameplay is different, the story is even different. Yet it doesn’t feel disrespectful because it feels like it justifies itself. It doesn’t feel like a quick buck, it feels like they wanted to reimagine the original in a new and bold way that fits in better with the new canon. The intention was good, it was made as an experience worth playing. The reason it works is that NES and Zero Mission are basically different games and they acknowledge that. Zero Mission doesn’t feel phoned in because you can barely even call it a remake

[candid solar]

I would've also accepted Resi 2's remake as an example. Or a few modern reimaginings of Frankenstein, though this is selective.

[limpid ferry]

Don’t forget all the remakes that happen in the film industry

[candid solar]

Or, hell, I Robot's remake got the nature of its message across (Reliance on artificial intelligence equally invested in its own life, survival, and dominance in the face of logically flexible rules) despite not following the form material.

[placid tree]

That is why imo, this sheepish attitude of trying to have it both ways, to have sprint and no sprint as a toggle, some environments changed and others not, some mechanics changed and some not, it feels like they want to reimagine it, but they’re scared of backlash. I want them to go crazier.

This constant vibe of compromise is driving me crazy

[candid solar]

Art needs to thrive in a setting where it is honest.

[placid tree]

I don’t want CE, I want a new game that happens to occur at the same point in the timeline is my main point

Because we will always have and love CE

[candid solar]

Lies do not persist in art. It's why AI Art is continually being viewed as something that must be purged. It's why I'm glad one of 343i's staff directly pinged me once for saying something that wasn't AI was AI, in error.

Actual art is honesty flayed bare.

[junior kestrel]

Another common ground. How odd we are so... alike.

[placid tree]

In this case it’s probably the best move from a purely logical standpoint.

[timid roost]

I saw someone coping that theyd add the honor guard staff as a weapon with this update, like dog have you not seen the kitbashes, they arent gonna make a whole new weapon type

[limpid ferry]

I mean the New Campaign Evolved will have 3 additional new missions added in serving as Prequel missions to fill in before getting to the main missions that we halo veterans have played through countless times.

[placid tree]

My main point of criticism for the Silent Cartographer is that I saw too much map design, too many encounters, too many compromises, that feel like they’re scared to make this more than a visual update

Build the game around the modern mechanics, none of this half hearted nonsense

[candid solar]

Look, fundamentally, my passions run high because art and history are things I take seriously. I despise cynicism in all its forms. I try very hard to be anything but a pessimist in a world that has fundamentally crippled my progression by being someone who genuinely has suffered for their reality and has been hamstrung by hate, lies, and forms being considered more important than natures.

[limpid ferry]

I wonder what the new 200+ cosmetics could be that are coming to the Halo Infinite exchange on the 18th.

[candid solar]

I don't claim myself to be an artist, not really. But I do know art. I do know passion. And I know delusion.

[zinc bear]

Seeing the current state of the gaming industry right now, it’s like a breath of fresh air to see campaign evolved. It has soul. It’s not just another slop UE5 game that had new textures and lighting thrown on it. You can tell that halo studios loves and adores this franchise. It looks like they’ve spent a long time building and shaping this game into what it is today.

[candid solar]

I am reserving judgement until I can play it myself.

From the hip now, however, I am not hopeful.

[limpid ferry]

I hope it’s the Mako Armor set from Halo 5.

[junior kestrel]

Again. Seriously. Really weirdly alike.

[zinc bear]

But at least it has soul. Talent. Passion. They care for their franchise.

[placid tree]

Well we’ve seen one level

[candid solar]

Soul and talent go into even misguided vessels.

[junior kestrel]

That is were in we diverge. I do consider myself an artist.

I just uh... struggle to keep something going.

[limpid ferry]

Level in a half it was a 15 minute demo

[candid solar]

I make art. I make stories. I make people. I refuse to consider myself an artist because it is a restrictive and frankly inaccurate point of view.

I am a critic.

And that is crap to be.

[long oyster]

Is that sarcasm

[placid tree]

I think the core idea of remaking CE is not an inherently bad idea. Combat Evolved in gameplay, presentation, lore implications, and more is basically totally detached from the rest of the franchise. I think part of the goal with this is to take the first Halo as a great jumping on point, alter it to be more representative of the franchise in its modern form, and sell that with fancy graphics to a new audience who would find that more appealing than just releasing some older games on PS with little fanfare

[candid solar]

I have the polar opposite perspective. The idea to remake CE is bad, but the energy expended is not.

[placid tree]

I just don’t see how plopping Halo 7 on PS makes much sense lol

[candid solar]

But what I view as necessary is not necessarily possible.

[long oyster]

Maybe CE remake is just to train their new talent by forcing them to work with the original game, to understand halo more before making the next installment. Just my personal cope theory

[candid solar]

Centering around a console launch is missing the forest for the trees.

[junior kestrel]

Why not be both? Being one or the other is extremely reductive.

[long oyster]

In reality the entire point of the project is money

[zinc bear]

It’s just sad to see what basically every industry has become now. I’m glad there’s still some talent out there. But it’s unfortunate how no one actually cares for their art anymore. Especially in the music industry.

[candid solar]

I don't think it is reductive so much as acknowledging where I lean.

[long oyster]

There’s still tons and tons of talent. Just awful CEOs and managers

And sometimes writers and directors

[placid tree]

It’s accessing a new audience, it’s clear Halo has really suffered from failing to grab new players consistently. If focusing on getting new fans shouldn’t be a priority, idk what should.

[candid solar]

Like, I like critique. I like being critiqued. I like critiquing whomever is analyzing what I make.

It is a byzantine maze of critique all the way down.

[placid tree]

Plus, if Halo 7 was what they did first, to accommodate for new players they would have to soft reboot…again…which would suck. Instead, by giving people a point to jump on, they can theoretically feel a little easier about just jumping straight into things with Halo 7

[long oyster]

Halo used to draw new audiences in. Now it’s clamoring for people who will never care

[candid solar]

...

Buddy. Pal.

We've been doing that since whoever decided that Reach needed to be a grounded and gritty story. Problably earlier.

[zinc bear]

Since 2, honestly. Mainly just the fan base think that.

[long oyster]

I think new audiences will never care about halo so long as veteran fans are upset with it. They’ll see the immediate negative reception and figure it’s not worth trying

[placid tree]

I DEFINITELY disagree with that when Halo 5 exists

Many veterans HATED 5 but it still found a loyal playerbase

[long oyster]

How big

[placid tree]

Because 5, for all its faults, tried something new

[zinc bear]

I’m big and I’m a halo 5 fan

[placid tree]

Enough

[long oyster]

Not enough for them to deem it profitable to continue with those mechanics, or even the storyline, which sucks

I didn’t like halo 5 but I’m upset that they dropped basically all the story threads. The guardians and the AI plot seemed really interesting

[placid tree]

I don’t think Halo will never reach the level of popularity to be able to totally ignore the veteran fans

There’s just too many of them to ignore without losing out on a ton of money

Infinite was clearly a compromise

[long oyster]

I agree. I’m one of them. The veteran fans will never be totally pleased, but the basic demands can be met

[placid tree]

It was a messy compromise, but it’s clear the core vision was to make older players happy while still trying something new

[long oyster]

Some people would still whine about sprint of course, but if they were to deliver a well written, feature complete game that wasn’t loaded with mtx most people would be very pleased I think. Veteran fans don’t want carbon copies of the old games, evolution is expected

[placid tree]

Infinite could’ve worked if it wasn’t for just how much of a mess development was

thank heavens they didn’t go through with the hero shooter multiplayer idea

[long oyster]

Infinite campaign had a lot of promise and was received decently well yeah. I can’t imagine how it would have looked if Joe Staten hadn’t secured all that extra development time

[candid solar]

Coincidentially I'd grudgingly call myself a 'vet' of Halo and yet I think 5 is good.

[candid solar]

Still not convinced he was a good choice.

[junior kestrel]

Talent can't shine when overshadowed by their overlords.

[long oyster]

He didn’t do any writing or anything (unfortunately), he just advocated for the team

[placid tree]

I’m playing 5 for the first time and so far I’m really enjoying it honestly

[candid solar]

Veterancy, as an accolade, is overrated.

And frequently unearned.

[placid tree]

That’s not quite true honestly, many of the finer touches were his idea

[junior kestrel]

Marcus

[long oyster]

His role was mainly production. His finer touches like the stuff with marines were just good suggestions though

[placid tree]

Marines following Chief around were lobbied by him. The grunt radio tower was him. Much of the environmental storytelling was his idea

[timid roost]

I think halo infinite is a wonderful compromise

[junior kestrel]

I think*

[placid tree]

Nothing huge but good changes

[candid solar]

You aren't significant because you are a Veteran. You are not learned just because you survived. You aren't storied because you can tell stories. You are not accurate because if anything is inaccurate, it is the human memory.

[long oyster]

Sounds like projecting a little

[candid solar]

It is a testament to your survival or your attention's survival.

[placid tree]

Don’t be mean

[candid solar]

What you did by being a veteran, how you comprehended and intuited your experience, is entirely seperate from being a veteran.

And it is a distinction not made by a mere accolade.

[placid tree]

I wish I was smart enough to understand what you’re talking about lol

[candid solar]

Nature and form.

By form, you can be a veteran.

But what you learned from it comprises the nature of experience.

The 'nature' of being a veteran.

[placid tree]

You’re still being too confusing lol

I really appreciate your passion and thoughts

[scarlet stream]

i absolutely loved it !!

[placid tree]

But like I’m just too stupid to get it

[candid solar]

Cutting the crap as close as I can, you can just say you're a veteran, but that doesn't mean you actually learned from what you experienced.

[placid tree]

THANK YOU

[buoyant canyon]

Ever attempted LASO or U3H?

[long oyster]

Yeah that’s true

Just because someone was there for something doesn’t mean a whole lot if they squandered it in one way or another. Or approached it in an unhealthy way

That kind of makes itself known pretty quick though

[scarlet stream]

heeeck no, this is my first time actually playing through halo!! i used to play halo:ce 1v1 with my old friend on a halo edition original xbox though but that's about it, I'm surprised i haven't gotten into halo earlier

[candid solar]

It's why I didn't respond to that dig about projection earlier.

I point it out as a framework and a form.

By nature, I learned a lot because of it. But I wouldn't say I am who I am strictly because my form is a veteran, I would say I am someone who learned from that experience and took that form in the process.

[placid tree]

I would ask what your evidence is that Joe Staten DIDNT help

[scarlet stream]

ik my bf has tried LASO

[long oyster]

Still a veteran 🫡

[scarlet stream]

he's done a legendary run with no deaths though!

[buoyant canyon]

Ah cool cool

[candid solar]

Generally speaking, cutting a lot of content or pushing for content to cut, then dipping to go work with Netflix, does not set the best of impressions.

[placid tree]

…fair lol

[buoyant canyon]

That's neat.

If y'all ever need carries just lmk I run them for fun hah

[placid tree]

Infinite’s development is a sight to behold

[long oyster]

Probably didn’t have a choice, if content wasn’t ready it wasn’t ready. He bought them all the time he could

[candid solar]

That's the thing though. I point it out as a matter of fact. In a very literal sense of the word I've bled for a cause and in a very literal sense of the word I've served for it.

But did I understand the cause I served, the oath I swore?

[placid tree]

I don’t see how we could say probably about that

[long oyster]

Like, the fact he was able to convince Microsoft to delay the launch title for the Xbox

[candid solar]

Is the form of my service in line with the nature of what it was?

[placid tree]

We just don’t know

[long oyster]

Did you?

[candid solar]

I'm pointing this out rhetorically.

[long oyster]

Every game has cut content, it’s the nature of development. I’m sure he would have loved to see multiple biomes on the ring, but his job was to just help make infinite a functional game

[candid solar]

Like, I know plenty of Veterans who do not embody nor fulfil the oath they swore. By nature they are not fulfilling the mold set by the form.

[placid tree]

Why would you be sure

That’s my problem with this, it’s not I assume he’s bad

[long oyster]

Occam’s razor

[placid tree]

It’s that I’m not sure why you’re assuming he handled it well lol

Since as stated, he DID dip weirdly quickly

[long oyster]

People who worked with him on infinite’s development seemed to say he was good for the project

[placid tree]

That’s a bit vague

[candid solar]

I've also heard the opposite.

[long oyster]

Interesting

[candid solar]

That he came in like a wrecking ball, and the rest of the song, whatever, et cetera.

Cutting things by vibes alone.

[placid tree]

I don’t think there was any world where Infinite launching with one biome was acceptable lol

[junior kestrel]

@candid solar thought experiment. How would you have written the s4s and implemented them within the halo setting?

Given what we knew from after 3?

[candid solar]

I'd have played up their experience. And likely made them chafe a lot more with IIs and IIIs.

More off of grounds of "We got through the HCW the hard way".

[jagged drum]

I would of loved to explore an open area that was snow or desert in infinites campaign

[candid solar]

No IV would exist who was under 24.

[long oyster]

I agree. I also don’t think there is a world where infinite launching without campaign co-op was acceptable either

[junior kestrel]

Oooo drama I love it.

I'd also like for them to give off "roach" energy (roach from apocalypse now.

[placid tree]

The problem is for some reason the IV’s give off this spunky newbie vibe

It’s super annoying and makes no sense

[candid solar]

Eh. I think that is overstated by the fanbase.

It's really only a thing for Thorne.

And even then, Thorne is a noted veteran, it's literally how he got noticed.

[placid tree]

I don’t know what the fanbase has said on it, I’m going off of my playthrough of 4 and current one of 5

They give off that vibe to me

They don’t feel as serious in tone

[candid solar]

Kinda sorta.

[placid tree]

Probably because they talk like normal people lol

[unborn panther]

Who up Haloing their Reach?

[candid solar]

Interesting username. Good luck with that.

[unborn panther]

?

[candid solar]

Spend time around anyone who has gotten shot, bled, fought for their country and you'll find, shockingly, they are still very human.

[junior kestrel]

?

[placid tree]

Oh yeah I know, I think it’s mostly a contrast issue, we’re used to Spartans acting like machines

[candid solar]

You don't spend your life in a rote hate of existence because you lost a kidney to a rebel.

[candid solar]

No, I mean, I get what you mean.

[wheat ridge]

@unborn panther

[placid tree]

A Spartan having any sort of humor instantly gives a vibe of unfamiliarity

[unborn panther]

Yes?

[wheat ridge]

your username

[jagged drum]

I never understood the whole machine thing, chief was cracking jokes in halo 2 and was sad about johnsons death in 3,

[candid solar]

Like, it's weird to think about, but the oldest IVs are older than IIs, and the oldest IVs have more combat experience than the cryogenically frozen Red Team.

[unborn panther]

What about it?

[placid tree]

It really doesn’t help that the opening line for the Spartan IV’s is neither serious nor particularly helpful

Not a huge deal but noticeable

[candid solar]

The machine thing is because there is an element to how the IIs function that keeps them going that is machine like. Chief denies his humanity despite clearly experiencing the ramifications of it.

Lasky is right to point it out.

[unborn panther]

Are you talking about the guy from Fortnite?

[candid solar]

Kinda cringe. I mean, here I am, kinda not eliminated.

[placid tree]

Master Chief is clearly human, but the Spartans often have…a wall between them and other people

[unborn panther]

Read the bio🥀

[placid tree]

The IVs don’t have that wall and it makes them feel very different

[wheat ridge]

nothing, you're good furry extermin8ter

[candid solar]

I mean, hey, at least you like Kendrick and not Drake.

[unborn panther]

I'm pibble

[candid solar]

Alrighty.

[jagged drum]

I wish we got see more of the 4s use that crazy looking halo 5 armor

dead eye looks so giant

[placid tree]

I wish we got to see much more of anything in Halo 5 lol

[candid solar]

Of course they don't. And that is not necessarily a bad thing.

[placid tree]

Campaign is SHORT

[meager linden]

I see I'm just in time

[wheat ridge]

Because halo 5 is a competitive multiplayer game

[jagged drum]

i really tried getting back into halo 5s campaign, had not touched barely any of it since launch, beat in heroic once didnt feel the need to back to it

[placid tree]

That’s not a great excuse although Halo 5’s campaign is not as big a deal for me as it is for some

I definitely don’t see it as the most evil thing to ever exist

But it definitely could’ve had more

[wheat ridge]

That's not an excuse, the game was literally designed around being competitive and multiplayer focused

(which is a bad thing)

[placid tree]

I’m confused what this has to do with campaign length

[meager linden]

I beat Halo 5 on legendary
And it was hell for me

[placid tree]

Man with how dumb the AI are that sounds terrible lol

[wheat ridge]

It means they didn't care about the campaign

[placid tree]

I mean I think they clearly did, it’s very well produced, certain portions are well done, the art direction is great, etc

[candid solar]

Ugh.

[placid tree]

To act like all those artists didn’t care is frankly a bit disrespectful and ridiculous imo

[meager linden]

It is
Blue Team and Osiris was like punching bags rather than team lmao

[candid solar]

I mean objectively it is both.

There was a lot of effort.

[unborn panther]

I know trenchbird be profen

[candid solar]

What the hell is a profen.

[placid tree]

Nothing ticks me off more than people writing off an AAA game as soulless because they didn’t like the end result despite many artists working hard on the project

[wheat ridge]

What direction?

[candid solar]

One that you apparently didn't notice.

[junior kestrel]

Oh okay.

Also I was thinking that It'd be cool to see 3 seperate classes of s4s.

Army, marines and oni spartans.

[placid tree]

An existent and frankly strong one

Halo 5 looks rather gorgeous, far better than 4 imo

[jagged drum]

Things I remember from 5 campaign

• Being too much of the same thing over and over.
• Arbiter and me killing the warden together.
• That genesis planet had me feeling like I was playing a metroid game.
• Killing my teamates on purpose just so I can see their lifeless bodies fall down a guardian sequence.
• Warden fights all the time.

[bright patrol]

Dont show this guy halo 5 forge maps

[wheat ridge]

Halo 5 is better than 4 in every way

[placid tree]

Ok hold on slow down on the extreme statements again lol

[meager linden]

All Halo campaign is good, IMO

[jagged drum]

Id put halo 1 above 4 and 5 mainly for fun factor I feel, mind may change but i do genuinely feel that

[lucid hornet]

mark v alpha is actually sick its so overhated

[jagged drum]

campaign wise

[lucid hornet]

i wish there was more games like halo 5

[placid tree]

As if AAA games are made by faceless robots rather than many real artists

[long oyster]

I didn’t like 5 but I’m upset they basically erased it for infinite’s campaign, instead of continuing that story. Everything interesting seemed to happen offscreen

[placid tree]

(Looking like that might change soon)

[junior kestrel]

Basically army spartans are basically spi troopers.

Marine spartans are more conventional

And oni spartans are smt else.

Experimental and secretive.

[lucid hornet]

especially warzone firefight. i also loved the aesthetic it felt so much more immersive with the sci-fi shtuf everywhere, it had an identity

[jagged drum]

I would love see them try that again but with more varied things happening

[junior kestrel]

You can say that for a lot of 343.

[long oyster]

Also like, I know this might be unpopular but I found the banished to be super uninteresting (I didn’t play halo wars tho)

[placid tree]

Again, I think 343 is too worried about what veterans think lol, they were wise to shift art direction, but honestly they have a lot of potential on the narrative

[jagged drum]

They didnt erase it, just happen off screen which well in some ways is far worse

I think the banished could of looked more red and unique in many ways

[long oyster]

They worried about what the veterans think while simultaneously failing to deliver what the veterans actually cared about

[jagged drum]

I still cant like how theres blue elites still and blue hunters around in the banished

[placid tree]

Not necessarily true

[jagged drum]

weapons as well were a massive letdown as well in my eyes

[long oyster]

343 should just make a flood game. Retire chief for a bit

[placid tree]

They inarguably made the art direction more classic

[placid tree]

We do not need the flood back

[long oyster]

Dang why not

[bright patrol]

Thanks for making me laugh a bit loud at 3 am

[jagged drum]

I would love the flood to come back and they have a brand new design and new enemy designs too

[bright patrol]

Well, they are coming back considering the remake will have them

[long oyster]

Yeah the art direction and music were awesome. I hope they keep the infinite art style. Though, a lot of the multiplayer armor is super ugly (I guess this was contracted away anyhow)

[jagged drum]

I remember when there was a halo 4 panel one of the first things that was asked was the flood returning

[long oyster]

Flood is cool and spooky and fun to fight

[bright patrol]

They did! For infection

And for some reason they had horse sounds lmao

[jagged drum]

only things I hated was they never infected grunts or jacks which is so dumb to me

[long oyster]

343 should make ODST 2

imo we don’t need another chief-centered game

[jagged drum]

gameplay wise what would and odst 2 would be like? more of what odst 1 was like? maybe have a bigger focus on stealth rather than fighting maybe make odst more vulnerable

[junior kestrel]

Not for a while.

[long oyster]

Ye!

[junior kestrel]

That plus more cqb oriented gameplay.

[jagged drum]

I hoping if they do make odst 2 they make you feel like a normal human, just felt like I was chief but shorter and lesser melee damage

[long oyster]

I’d love another game where I can customize the main character for campaign. I like where they were going having the player’s spartan part of a story

[jagged drum]

Thats the Halo Reach 2 I hear from so many people that they wanted

I wish they just made all these uniquely different games their own real sequel in the form of maybe spin offs

[long oyster]

At least unreal should make it easier to have more regular content and releases. Even if it is unfortunately still contracted out

[junior kestrel]

The thing you need to know abt odsts is that the ARE the best of the best humanity can offer normally.

Militaries already put weird drugs into their gis to make them perform better. What do you think the unsc is gonna do to their best normies?

[jagged drum]

I know all that stuff already but gameplay wise just felt like I was playing as chief

Health packs made the gameplay more unique

[long oyster]

True but, I don’t know how much they could have changed their core gameplay style you know?

[junior kestrel]

How would you make an odst play then?

[jagged drum]

I wouldnt mind a 3rd person view

[long oyster]

Hmm toggleable maybe but I personally feel way more immersed in first person, especially in a setting like odst’s

[junior kestrel]

I think that's too much of a deparcher.

And we have gears for that.

[jagged drum]

Or maybe a dodge mechanic or make odst player more vulnerable to melee strikes from enemies

[long oyster]

3rd person I feel like I’m watching a character’s story unfold, like red dead. First person I feel like I am the rookie

[junior kestrel]

Not to mention I kinda want halo to be more first person. Like how ce you were in first person when being passenger

[jagged drum]

Or if your too careless you can be assassinated from behind by and elite.

[long oyster]

They should add sprint to odst

Unironically

[jagged drum]

sprint sure why not

[junior kestrel]

Could work.

Dive prone.

[lucid hornet]

doesn't compare to the original or infinite, but i prefer the look over the h3 and reach mark v. h4 has it beat slightly

[long oyster]

Beyond that, maybe more immersive effects like pained breathing when wounded, slight tremors, etc (obviously nothing that would make gameplay annoying) idk

[junior kestrel]

If they do that than you're kinda just playing a mini spartan.

I'd like to see sprint stripped out of the main games and odst sprinting is barely keeping pace with chief on foot.

If we were to keep sprint for spartans I'd adjust it so you can sprint and shoot at the same time. Basically "charge" sprint yk?

[lucid hornet]

counterpoint, make it second person. control you through another dude's perspective

[jagged drum]

You see marines dive out the way in the games alot maybe add that to odst 2 as a mechanic, if you dodge correctly you get invinciblity frames if timed right

[junior kestrel]

So odst and reach. Well on the pain voice effects.

[lucid hornet]

elite dodge/evade thingimabob

[long oyster]

Very small artistic touches can make a huge difference in how something feels. It’s why forza often doesn’t feel fast. There’s no camera effects to sell it. Whereas an arcade racer feels fast af despite being the same speed relatively

[junior kestrel]

That's kinda 3 odst already

Kinda.

You're experiencing the battles after the fact and flashback to during them

[jagged drum]

1st person view when using the warthog when you only on the turret and on the side of the driver.

silencer weapons no longer alarm enemies

[junior kestrel]

I like this. Also first person on ground turrets and walking with broken off chainguns.

[long oyster]

Agreed. Also big agree on the silencers

[junior kestrel]

Suppressed.

Not silencers.

Make them more effective at long range.

[jagged drum]

sorry forgot

[long oyster]

Silencerco would like a word

[timid roost]

Boy do i have the crossover for you

[junior kestrel]

So br would be the ideal suppressed weapon.

On another note

[long oyster]

Omg give me suppressed DMR

[junior kestrel]

I would unironically love a trearch halo.

2008-2012 treyarch

[jagged drum]

im not a big fan of odst but think they should of tried making another one, they had plans of them showing in in halo 5 with a pet gaurd dog of some kind. that would a unique ally for odst 2 a dog you send out and grab ammo or guns for you.

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fcut-stuff-from-halo-5-guardians-v0-68npy6rmn4wc1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1443%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D9b613dc964bf0161c9d470652e761323a953774c

[junior kestrel]

Treyarch made halo odst i mean

[junior kestrel]

New dog model

[jagged drum]

feels good looking at something in halo 5 and feels like itself still, that odst looks so different but know what im looking at

[junior kestrel]

I could do without the pupper being put in harms way of brutes.

[jagged drum]

maybe could be like noble team where that kind of ally is invincible

im sure halo studios can figure out a way to balance that

[junior kestrel]

I still don't think any sane person would bring a dog to fight aliens.

[jagged drum]

they could use anything what ideas do you have for an odst 2? Id like to see multiplayer that would be something

[lucid hornet]

man watching the old infinite reveal trailer I kinda miss that colorful plasticky look

[junior kestrel]

I want a stand alone rerelease of all the halo games on steam.

All of them. To the closest they were on release. Where you must unlock everything.

[lucid hornet]

like the unsc weapons in infinite are fine but photoreal makes me yawn sometimes

[signal wedge]

ODST 2 should be a sequel to the Kilo 5 books

[junior kestrel]

It'd be cod black ops 2

[junior kestrel]

I prefer the material shaders of 3

[jagged drum]

I liked the infinite trailer scenery, just never liked the whole hexagon thing going on with the map, makes it feel like minecraft at times

[long oyster]

ODST flood horror game

[junior kestrel]

That's appealing to too few people

[long oyster]

If the book has a good story it can be adapted to the game and people will like it I think

[junior kestrel]

Should never have been a thing tbh

[junior kestrel]

Branching sickness

[jagged drum]

oh crap, looking at all our ideas if the game did have MP it kind would be like cod, maybe not have sprint that would very different and mayb ehave it be more stealth focused

[coral yoke]

i think the main reason you can't just kill noble team members is because ||they're already supposed to die later in the story. except jun maybe.||

[junior kestrel]

Now it's kinda like splinter cell

[long oyster]

Maybe controversial, but a format like Destiny where our Spartans embark on missions together in a big shared world could be really cool

[jagged drum]

Its really weird because you can kill arbiter and johnson in halo 3

[long oyster]

Man, Destiny as a concept was just really cool. I will not get started on that though 😔

[junior kestrel]

I agree. Moreover having a coop halo mmo where you and your friends raid missions based on older halo games, maybe semi procedural would be kinda dope

[junior kestrel]

Basically layout and enemy configuration

I really would like more halo games to focus on more ethnic groups.

Like reach with hungary.

Most of the civilian npcs are Hungarian. Some of the rebels are too.

Jorge speaks it.

[junior kestrel]

So why not shine a light on more obscure ones similarly.

Say african groups or perhaps some form of slavs or people from caucasus.

[worldly sedge]

Finally, the Halo 2 Magnum coming to the pass

I’ve been waiting for this model for the sidekick

[past trellis]

Said no one ever wtf

[teal peak]

What do you think should be the next halo spinoff game

[jade gust]

Unggoy Farmer

[junior kestrel]

Odst 2. Oni black ops type game. Halo wars 3. Spartan ops 2.

[teal peak]

Should they try a kind of tactical shooter for odst 2?Cause the reason halo has died a bit is because of how easy it is to make big plays,making it feel less rewarding

[lucid hornet]

said me, infinite looks so boring looking

halo 1-2 had cool anime y2k style

halo 3 has established its own look by building on h2

halo reach reaaallly leaned into the grit
halo 4 had empty spacey cinematic sci-fi
halo 5 had cheesy campy sci-fi
Infinite is... something?

[junior kestrel]

I'd be down for it.

[coral yoke]

i remember somebody here talking about that before actually. might be a good way to make it stand out from the main series

[past trellis]

Its got sliding

[signal wedge]

Hot people

[past trellis]

Fiah

[junior kestrel]

Also regarding the oni game. The oni operators should be using odst armour with recon helmets.

Or some form of spi.

Or some fork there of.

[signal wedge]

oni operators should be using stealth armor

if they are covert ops missions

if they are ONI Accounting they can wear jeans

[coral yoke]

speaking of halo spinoffs have i mentioned the soulslike idea i had?

[signal wedge]

we need a Forza/NFS style Halo game where you go vroom across the streets of New Alexandria

[coral yoke]

ok in hindsight that's probably way more likely to be a fangame than anything halo studios themselves would even consider lmao

[lucid hornet]

so did 5 lol

[lucid hornet]

megabloks

or another halo wars, or something halo 5 related

[signal wedge]

we will never get a soulslike Halo game

[junior kestrel]

Dare is an oni operative. So likely. It's often they'd be using odst gear. Or other equipment depending upon the unit they're attached to for the story.

[signal wedge]

Halo's IP and combat style just doesnt fit it at all

unless you are playing as an Elite

[coral yoke]

little did they know...

[junior kestrel]

Agreed.

An arbiter character action game might not be out of the question. But souls like is too far out there and halo simply doesn't have the enemy variety to support it without effectively inventing a whole new setting.

[lucid hornet]

id say helldivers, but i kinda dont want that. stealing their thunder, having to copy someone inspired by your franchise

[signal wedge]

normal troops? if they have ODSTs attached yeah. But it makes more sense for spies to, you know wear spy armor. Like we know the operatives in ferret squad did

[lucid hornet]

yall arbiter was in killer instinct do you remember that

[junior kestrel]

I mean. I'd like to have a halo with proceedural missions.

[junior kestrel]

And naomi was in DOA

[lucid hornet]

dead or alive?

[signal wedge]

dead on arrival idk

[lucid hornet]

yeah but hell divers did what halo was perfect for. kinda feels too late if they tried doing that, but I do like PvE and procedural

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[junior kestrel]

Too inconspicuous.

Keep em less auspicious and unique. Basically just how cia dudes irl were. Macvsog didn't exactly wear especially unique gear. Just modified to their purpose.

[junior kestrel]

Yes.

[lucid hornet]

nicole?

had to google it lmao

mark 6 was pretty cool looking there

[junior kestrel]

Halo is arguably more flexible than helldivers due in part to being first person mainly. While helldivers has to work around being mostly third person.

You can better afford to do cqb and close quaters missions like ship raids and boarding action.

Which would set it appart from hd2.

[junior kestrel]

Yeah her.

[signal wedge]

because stealth tech does not exist in this century yet

[junior kestrel]

The otaku spartan.

[junior kestrel]

They also didn't have gear that was all that different from the larger force.

[lucid hornet]

never thought odsts as stealth units. just careful

[junior kestrel]

It's not just a tech thing.

[junior kestrel]

Odsts are special forces.

Pillar of autumn's marines were also a branch of sf. Allgedly.

Spartans are the specialist forces.

That being said I'd actually like to see army, marines, odst and spartan units have different favored weapons/weapons systems.

[lucid hornet]

a little ambitious but would love to see it

[junior kestrel]

For instance.

Army: ma5k, with dmrs, saws and lmgs

Marines with ma5cs, battle rifles, and ma5bs acting as saws.

Odsts mostly using ma5cs and ks. Alongside dmrs, brs and whatever they need. As well as the natural smg.

While spartans do with whatever. I imagine however john would be greatly favorable to the ma5b

Side note. I think it'd be totally cool if in the ce remake we got an underbarrel gl for the ar.

Also I think we could do with military designations for all the major guns

So for instance M25 a1 for the ma5b

[stuck wind]

Do you guys think the next halo mp will have firefight at launch

[junior kestrel]

I would like it to.

[stuck wind]

I hope it does

[junior kestrel]

Another thing. I want the next appearance of the M90 shotgun to have at least 8 rounds in the tube.

Oh. And the AR to have flip up iron sights that conform to the ammo counter shroud.

Also uh

Bump up the dmr's normal mag capacity to 20.

[junior kestrel]

Also idea.

Halo studios should have a gun lab department.

Basically a dedicated team for catalogue all the halo guns. Keeping old models and producing new models for them.

In addition to making new sounds and stuff appropriate for each.

For instance the AR, BR and DMR should sound within a similar acoustic range. Since each fire 7.62x51.

[normal owl]

BSOD: Boring Screen Of Death. Bring back the cheery blue crash screen please MS.

[dim oriole]

There won’t be any new halo MP games for another 10 years lol they need to release every title as a remake with campaign only first😭

[stuck wind]

So it’s halo 1-3 remake then the multiplayer?

[steady jolt]

Nothing like that has been announced or hinted at.

[blissful folio]

playing through halo 3 odst and it is a really interesting game. has bungie or 343 made anything else like it?

[dim oriole]

1-3 are guaranteed maybe not the rest but I could see them remaking ODST and Reach as well… but I should add this is my opinion! I could be wrong and would be happy if I am

[steady jolt]

The CE remake is the only formally announced project, through there are multiple projects being worked on. With us knowing that HCS will return, that gives us an indication we'll be hearing about that maybe next year at some point

[steady jolt]

1 to 3 are absolutely not guaranteed

[blissful folio]

im gonna be honest i don't even really know whether i want a halo 3 remake

[dim oriole]

I mean if CE is successful why do you think they wouldn’t go for 2 and 3?

[steady jolt]

They may, but there's no guarantee they will. Personally I see it as unlikely

[dim oriole]

I hope you’re right 🤞 I could be way off lol besides I personally wouldn’t mind a Reach remake😂

[junior kestrel]

Regarding the cry room for the ce remake. Since it's technically under the medical wing I think it should be stark white.

[junior kestrel]

No

[junior kestrel]

Actually.

Halo infinite. But it fails compared to odst.

[blissful folio]

its really cool they went more for an atmospheric world-building thing

ENVIRONMENTAL STORYTELLING. thats the word

[blissful folio]

oh yeah wasnt halo infinite like an open world thing

i wanna play the first handful of halo games and then probably check out infinite. i cant play 5 cos i dont have an xbox one

heard the gameplay and multiplayer in 5 is fun. but the story is ehh

[blissful folio]

but that wont really detract me tbh. i also really enjoy fallout 4 for its gameplay and its another game which story is kinda ehh

[blazing cave]

Halo Infinite could have had its similarities with ODST if it just allowed us to play the flashback of those dead Spartans 👀

[blissful folio]

were they intentionally trying an odst thing with infinite or was it its own thing

[blazing cave]

You mean for the open world?

[blissful folio]

like level design and all that stuff in general

[junior kestrel]

I dislike 5 as a whole tbh.

[junior kestrel]

That would be cool in theory.

[blazing cave]

Infinite’s overall design is pretty good and took a step back from 4 and 5 a bit

[blissful folio]

i still have yet to play 4 and the biggest complaint ive heard about that game are the promethians

[blazing cave]

I think Infinite took ODST inspiration for their open world

Halo 4 is good

[blissful folio]

they also have the doom meathook which looks really fun

[blazing cave]

The grapple? lol

[junior kestrel]

For the ce remake I think it'd be dope if the coop spartans were blue team. But just as colour swaps. No need for extra helmets.

[blazing cave]

That’d be awesome

But blue team isn’t present in CE tho?

[dense stag]

Sad halo infinite no more updates

[blazing cave]

It’s pretty sad

But it seems like they’re just dumping all the content left into this one update

Would be a good idea if they wanted to shift they’re focus on new projects

[junior kestrel]

No. But linda is in the other cryo pod canonically.

So it'd be dope if player 2 was tan/kaki

With 3 and 4 being blue and white respectively

[pulsar heron]

no more planned, major updates. not no more updates at all ever

[blazing cave]

Khaki?!?!

[blissful folio]

wasnt the 343 games supposed to be a trilogy of its own? so is halo infinite the final game in the series? (unless they make another trilogy or smth)

[steady jolt]

Yep, this ^

Operation: Infinite may be the last major update currently planned for Halo Infinite, but we’re fully committed to supporting players with exciting challenges, ranked rewards, and community events throughout next year and beyond.
https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/operation-infinite-preview

[junior kestrel]

Yes

[junior kestrel]

Kinda.

[blazing cave]

I’m surprised about the 2x everything

The amount of content that’s being dropped is going to be a grind

It might even take a year for some of us 👀

[blissful folio]

wait im reading stuff on the final update rn and what does it mean by "10 year plan"?

[stuck wind]

Anything new with this? I see there’s a bunch of Cosmetics

[signal wedge]

"may be' bruh just say if it is or not 🤪

2026 cant get any closer

[fickle drift]

enough heard. i think everyone should just give me everything they own instead

[blazing cave]

2026 is our year!

[obsidian wyvern]

not maybe, may be as in it is, in this context

[signal wedge]

they pulling the tiny dev team behind Infinite to work on other projects

[blazing cave]

I wonder with all the content

They could’ve just drop that stuff in like on a bi-weekly or monthly basis

But it’s all in one go lol it’s kinda funny

[steady jolt]

That still requires resources - planning, testing, release schedules. Those people are moving to other projects

[blazing cave]

I seeeeee

[azure berry]

it is a shame because with the amount of content there is

they definitely could’ve made a couple seasons
but with the new projects on their hands it just didn’t happen

[junior kestrel]

Spartan ops was weekly.

Ngl for a mutiplayer stand alone I wouldn't mind having a spartan ops "subscription" model sort of campaign. Or epsisodic format/model.

And have the multiplayer be funded by that

[blazing cave]

I can see where they have to completely shift their focus for this then

[junior kestrel]

Yeah but it'd help maintain some flow of customisation and new sandbox items. Ideally.

[signal wedge]

"multiple projects"
When does Halo usually announce these projects?

[junior kestrel]

And can probably help feed into the multiplayer content.

[blazing cave]

A little flow could’ve been good

[queen remnant]

When they are ready to show

[blazing cave]

But hearing multiple projects sounds hefty too

[junior kestrel]

A flow at all would have been preferable.

I'd honestly like halo studios... to be yk. Multiple studios.

With their own project.

Alpha, bravo, charlie and delta all focusing on different things.

[signal wedge]

wait till you realize most of them are remakes

[junior kestrel]

Or
...

Alpha, beta, gamma and delta to keep it in theme with halo.

[steady jolt]

Except nothing like that has been announced or hinted at

[signal wedge]

yes only speculation that Halo 2-3 will get remakes as well

[misty marsh]

Pretty sure if there's multiple projects in the works then the studios are already split into designated teams

[blazing cave]

I’d love remakes of the trilogy tho 👀

[signal wedge]

it would be great if they worked on Halo 7 while also working on Halo 8 and 9 at the same time

[blazing cave]

I also want the next multiplayer being worked on too

[signal wedge]

if this is the case yearly releases might be a thing 😱

[blazing cave]

We went form halo infinite to multiple projects

Insane work, hopefully they can pull it off

[junior kestrel]

Idk abt that.

I'd rather have the other teams do other things in the setting.

[junior kestrel]

Last thing I want tbh

I hate games being treated so disposably.

I think it would be cool to see what one of the cod studios does with the halo ip

[blazing cave]

COD?!!

[drowsy coyote]

Surely their work will be better when they split the team instead of everyone working on one

[blazing cave]

I’m pretty sure that’s how multiple projects work lol

[ivory gorge]

Free to plays are eating good with the 500 New pieces of items coming to The exchange

[blazing cave]

Also isn’t halo studios working with other developers on their projects?

Idk if that was a thing

[ivory gorge]

I have a theory that they will try to port a lot of infinites multiplayer to the unreal engine due to them using so much infinite assets

Plus imagine forge mode in the next game we will have forge AI and flood AI

Flood AI in forge is crazy

[blazing cave]

If it makes it easier for them, why not you know

Infinites design is by far my favorite design of all time

[ivory gorge]

Infinite has my favorite designs gameplay and multiplayer

I have 5,000 games in infinite

[blazing cave]

Multiplayer is so great fr

[ivory gorge]

2000 customs

[blazing cave]

I’m in the 8k

[ivory gorge]

Dang

[blazing cave]

Barely any customs for me tho lol

[ivory gorge]

And I thought I was a no life

[blazing cave]

I was grinding for infinite lol

Since launch

But I consider myself a casual

[ivory gorge]

I'm going to try to hit hero before the update so I can get it legitimately

[blazing cave]

Bro is hitting Hero before me 😭

[ivory gorge]

I want to get it before the XP boost

[ivory gorge]

I'm onyx general I think

I have to look

I think the reason why is because I grinded firefight and survive the undead

[blazing cave]

I’m in the colonel ranks

[ivory gorge]

They should have had one last final hurray with the weapon sandbox though

[blazing cave]

Yeah I would’ve had hero way long time ago but the ranks were put in late for me :/

[ivory gorge]

Like this is the final major update where's my final weapon at Halo studios

I'm hoping it's a surprise reveal in the trailer

I'm praying

I don't know where I heard this from but I think someone said the final weapon if there is a final weapon is going to be the light rifle

[ivory gorge]

☝️

[ionic arrow]

Microsoft is the new EA games, buying up all these studios, shutting them down and putting all the games in maintenance mode 😄

[blazing cave]

One more hardlight weapon would be 🔥

[ivory gorge]

Fake fan

Smh lmao I'm joking

[ionic arrow]

Best halo was halo 4 because cortana looks well....errrr I'm too embarassed to say.

[junior kestrel]

Call of duty

[ivory gorge]

You disappoint me

[sharp marsh]

Hi

[ivory gorge]

Gooner trash

[blazing cave]

Call of duty will give halo wall jumping lol

[ivory gorge]

Honestly if it was only in a future campaign and only activated by grappling I wouldn't mind wall running

Only in the campaign

[blazing cave]

Wall running for a Spartan sounds impossible lol

[ivory gorge]

And maybe a setting you can turn on in forge or customs for parkour maps or something

[sharp marsh]

I never talk here lol

[ivory gorge]

I mean every spartan four has stabilization

[blazing cave]

1ton trying to maintain wall jumping sounds crazy lol

[ivory gorge]

Plus all gen 3 armor

[blazing cave]

Ohhhh you right

[ionic arrow]

I wasn't quite sure what gooner meant so i asked google for synonyms. "Arsenal fan" made me chuckle

[ivory gorge]

Wall running isn't out of the question

[sharp marsh]

So hi

[blazing cave]

Sup

You ready for the Halo remake or nah

[ivory gorge]

Also it would make parkour so fun in Halo

[ivory gorge]

Hi

[sharp marsh]

I don’t play this game I’m just here

[ionic arrow]

i'd rather see Halo 5 on PC than yet another halo CE cashgrab

[blazing cave]

What the

[ivory gorge]

Buh

Fake fan

[blazing cave]

I want to see more players on Halo 5 fr

[sharp marsh]

I had one of the games on my old Xbox 360

[ivory gorge]

They need to remake the story

[blazing cave]

Another remake??! 💀

[sharp marsh]

Does that count

[ivory gorge]

Halo 5 remake would fix everyone's problem

[sharp marsh]

I can’t remember what one

[ionic arrow]

Didn't you hear about Halo Campaign evolved? vomit

[ivory gorge]

It looks so cool

I'm loving all the texture work

Plus Halo infinite elites were based off of Halo combat evolved concept art so they fit right in

[blazing cave]

I’m honestly excited for the CE remake

Just wish we had some news on multiplayer

[ivory gorge]

Definitely

[blazing cave]

I can’t wait to play the same game I’ve been playing since 2001 lol

[ivory gorge]

I can't believe people are hating on it

[ionic arrow]

graphics too flashy i miss the drab "you're going to die here" late 90s early 2000s 3d graphics.

[blazing cave]

But I’ll like to see the REMAKE portion of this entire game. Would be great

[ivory gorge]

Halo infinite forerunner texturing was based off of CE

[sharp marsh]

I miss my old gaming days

[ivory gorge]

Sure it looks brand new but the patterns are based off of CE

Like I can go into forge and I can show you later today

[blazing cave]

I’m sure we’ll see a huge change from since the demo was released and the day of release

A year of work can do a lot

[ivory gorge]

Halo infinite demo...

[blazing cave]

The CE remake demo

[ivory gorge]

No I'm just saying how that mission is literally just the same

Like they showed it off and it's literally just the same nothing changed only graphics wise

[blazing cave]

Oh yeah that was just a small demo tho

A 13 min demo without like teasing TOO much

The anniversary was alright

[ivory gorge]

Ew we do not speak of anniversary

[blazing cave]

I’ve played CE so much back then, I’m ready to see a fresh look to it

[ivory gorge]

And since it's in the unreal engine imagine a cursed Halo remake

[blazing cave]

Let’s hope for something in 6 months

[blazing cave]

I’ve yet to experience cursed gaming lol I’ve only seen them

[ivory gorge]

I think the CE needler model they added to infinite is going to be what replaces the infinite model it literally reuses the same animations and everything so it should work

[ivory gorge]

I'm just saying I think the infinite model is a placeholder

Due to them adding a model that looks just like Halo combat evolves needler into infinite

It doesn't make sense for them to make that model and then not use it

[blazing cave]

The demo seem very placeholder-esque lol

[tame cliff]

Why didn't they add the Z-1800 Phaeton to Infinite forge?

Halo 5 custom games simply better than infinite.

[sharp marsh]

I’m hungry

[blazing cave]

The phaeton?!

[tame cliff]

The only way to make a proper Jenga tower or Jenga city custom game is with the phaeton.

[blazing cave]

Lack of Prometheans in infinite unfortunately

[tame cliff]

But they couldn't just add the vehicle to forge?

[blazing cave]

It would’ve been cool

Maybe next Halo game? lol

[tame cliff]

That's my biggest gripe about infinite, took 1 year to release forge and custom games browser. Still wasn't as good as previous custom games.

[blazing cave]

^me but with career ranks 😠

[ivory gorge]

Could have made it look more sentinel like

Redesign

I'm just saying there's a difference between Promethean weapons and sentinel weapons they might be forerunner but they aren't the same class of Forerunner weaponry

No?

Where you get that idea from

[blazing cave]

I think they meant the enemy AI?

Not chadgpt ai

[ivory gorge]

I have no idea

Bro sorry I thought you were a Halo doomer that said everything is made with AI now

[blazing cave]

It’s kinda crazy how that sort of AI has evolved around the time of Infinite until now lol

I remember hearing about ChatGPT when Infinite was released

[tame cliff]

Lets hope that the next Halo game will release with a fully functional custom games browser and forge. Lets hope it includes ALL weaponry and vecicles from previous titles. 🙂

[ivory gorge]

#1204561164231774218

[blazing cave]

I agree

[ivory gorge]

Check it out it's cool

[junior kestrel]

Pfff

[ivory gorge]

I honestly wouldn't be opposed to it

I'm sorry I just think the rule of cool overweighs everything

And to be fair bungie was experimenting with wall peeking in Halo 3

[tame cliff]

Why can't we wall jump?

[blazing cave]

Wall peeking!!! Lmao

That was in the Halo 2 demo trailer I remember lol

[ivory gorge]

I'm not joking before they cut it due to time constraints Halo 3 was originally supposed to have Wall peeking

[blazing cave]

I remember seeing it before

[ivory gorge]

What y'all think of my Star wars armor I made in infinite

[blazing cave]

Science says 1 ton doing wall jumps is crazy work

[ivory gorge]

Stabilization

Halo 5 stabilization was bad

[tame cliff]

1 ton that can jump 12 ft can't do wall jumps?

[blazing cave]

But I forget about the stabilizers lol

[ivory gorge]

But if they only made stabilization for wall jumping now that would be something

[tame cliff]

I guess the wall has to be able to support 1 ton slamming into it.

[blazing cave]

Yeah I forget about the sci-fi in this game sometimes lol

[naive turret]

Really good job with these, I could easily buy them as an actual Spartan Fireteam

[ivory gorge]

Military sci-fi yeah

[blazing cave]

also lol

[sharp marsh]

Hi

[ivory gorge]

Hi again I guess

[trim saddle]

Happy Saturday Spartans!

[ivory gorge]

Anyways even though it's 8:00 a.m. I'm going back to sleep I got no sleep

Plus it's a Saturday I should be fine

[blazing cave]

EOD gang

[ivory gorge]

It's the best helmet to use for clone troopers

[blazing cave]

Looks fire

[ivory gorge]

Wow first time I talk in this server and don't get bullied for having My Little pony profile picture

Kind of funny y'all chill

[blazing cave]

Looks fire too

[ivory gorge]

I'll show you what my Spartan looks like

[blazing cave]

My little pony Spartan?

[ivory gorge]

Kinda

[blazing cave]

Fire fire

[misty marsh]

W MLP

[trim saddle]

Some people are just mean for no reason 🤷

[blazing cave]

I don’t even have the energy to be mean

[ivory gorge]

I sent it in the customization chat

[ivory gorge]

W

[blazing cave]

10/10

The visor color is a great choice

[ivory gorge]

#1204561164231774218 I sent it btw

[trim saddle]

Back on the FF grind 💪

[ivory gorge]

I also made this sick pilot Spartan

[blazing cave]

That’s a clean look

[ivory gorge]

An odst

[misty marsh]

that was so sick

[ivory gorge]

Who knew a pony would understand halo Spartans better then halo 5 era 343

I don't actually believe I'm a pony btw I'm not one of those people it's just a joke

Those people kinda ruin the fun

[junior kestrel]

That. That I'd be interested in.

[ivory gorge]

Anyways green power ranger

[blazing cave]

You got a good eye on the different styles that for sure

[misty marsh]

That last one with the gold trims is sick

[junior kestrel]

But for halo. I wouldn't mind trearch doing something within the setting as a wild spinoff.

[ivory gorge]

The best power ranger out of every power ranger

[ivory gorge]

Ew no not a COD company I absolutely despise call of duty Activision all of it

[junior kestrel]

Otherwise. I would like halo to roll back to basics. I wanna see what halo studios can do with it totally being simple.

[ivory gorge]

Id software should make a Halo game

[junior kestrel]

What abt trearch from between 2008 and 2012?

[ivory gorge]

I will never touch a call of duty in my life

[junior kestrel]

I'd agree but they're too absorbed in doom.

Maybe machine games but...

Actually machine games cause dual weilding 90% of the weapons lol

[drowsy coyote]

Then they’d have to cut the team size down by 60%

[sharp marsh]

Hi

[drowsy coyote]

I for one do not advocate for lay offs

[ivory gorge]

I remade all the MLP characters go look it's cool

[drowsy coyote]

Brony lol

[ivory gorge]

Yeah

[misty marsh]

The grav hammer for pinky is so real

I love rds

[ivory gorge]

I hope that's not a problem

[drowsy coyote]

I can’t judge

[misty marsh]

You gotta make some for the other princesses 🙏

[ivory gorge]

I'll try but I got to wait for the next pass

I'm probably going to use the free white coating

Also I don't have a coating for Luna

[misty marsh]

Fair

I just noticed the visor for rainbow, great choice >>

[ivory gorge]

Yep

[junior kestrel]

Why?

[ivory gorge]

I also gave Fluttershy the sticks and Stones pistol

Go take a gander

[junior kestrel]

Like... they could be assigned to different projects.

[ivory gorge]

I'm just good at customization

[ivory gorge]

You know what I think's really funny

How people were complaining about how some Spartans in Halo 4 had no visors but it's bungies lore that explains Spartans don't actually see out of their visors they have 360 cameras

[ivory gorge]

The lore reason for why Spartans have visors is to make civilians not fear them as much

During their time being insurrectionist killers they had visors because they didn't have the technology for the cameras so for that they actually looked at their visors

[junior kestrel]

Okay. I still don't think it's good. Not to mention a lot of 4s presentation. Especially in campaign, leads them to be using the visor only.

Additionally the visor would be a great back up for if the cameras shut down.

[ivory gorge]

Yeah that's another thing

It contradicts itself which is really funny

[junior kestrel]

That's... that's just dumb.

Especially with seeker existing. Or wetwork.

[ivory gorge]

Hey I didn't make the helmets

Also Halo infinite seeker looks good that's a crazy nice helmet

I can't believe they made it look like an actual good helmet

[fickle drift]

:v

[ivory gorge]

Hi

[ivory gorge]

How are you

He appears for a sec only to say nothing ok then

[ivory gorge]

I sent you a friend request

[fickle drift]

Fine

[ivory gorge]

👍

Please give us a secret weapon drop this update please

[misty marsh]

I don't really add people I haven't at least spoken to for a good while sorry 😭
Don't like clogging up my friends list

[ivory gorge]

Now I gotta sit you through sonic forces

[misty marsh]

Good thing you can be done and over with it in less than 3 hours

[ivory gorge]

Alright I'm adding sonic 06 and free riders into that

[misty marsh]

Jokes on you I love those games

actually no flip free riders, give me just riders

[ivory gorge]

Free riders suck bro the connect doesn't work at all

[misty marsh]

Yeah i didnt clock the word 'free' hence I backtracked

[ivory gorge]

I've played it before so I should know

[ivory gorge]

Yeah but Sonic 06 is bad for glitches and level design because I'm not giving you the option to play project 06

Only the terrible Sonic games

[misty marsh]

Im modding it idc

[drowsy coyote]

If you seriously would want a simple game like the old halos the team is way too massive

It’s as large as it is because of how complex the game is now, and yeah multiple projects.

[ivory gorge]

Next Halo game should add wall running and in the trailer they should say screw the haters we adding this cuz of the rule of cool

Honestly an equipment that adds wall running and wall jumping would be crazy

This man has been typing for five business days

[naive turret]

lol

[misty marsh]

I was just about to say I cant wait to see what extended paragraph H8-

wow

[junior kestrel]

Insanity.

Which reminds me.

[naive turret]

I think it says I was typing because I was in another tab or smth

Was checking out Project 06 progress, excited

[misty marsh]

its been saying it for like 10 minutes

[junior kestrel]

Could orient the team to expand the sandbox and individual levels/mp maps.

[ivory gorge]

The next Halo should double down on advanced movement honestly

Make its own game mode for it

[naive turret]

You'd need to rebalance the entire sandbox but hey what's more pressure on the devs right.

[junior kestrel]

Also halo 4 having full body armour sets for every single helmet I think was a massive waste of time and resources.

[obsidian wyvern]

no we're getting Titanfall 3 for that soon™

[ivory gorge]

Bring in the basic sprinting sliding clamber but then you have Wall run wall jumping and everybody gets infinite grapples

[junior kestrel]

What's new with p06?

[ivory gorge]

If the next Halo game gets rid of the grappling hook I swear

[junior kestrel]

If it's kept to being a map pick up I'd be open to it.

[ivory gorge]

I am going to slap the guy who cut it

[junior kestrel]

How do I explain this...

[naive turret]

ChaosX posted a render / collaboration announcement implying they might be doing story mode after all.

[ivory gorge]

It was perfectly okay for multiplayer

Campaign not so much I would be okay if they got rid of it for campaign

[junior kestrel]

I'd be open to a fusion of 3 and infinite's equipment.

So personal use and drop equipment.

[ivory gorge]

You know how the updated grappling hook gives you ground pound

I think the thruster pack should have had a full upgrade where it gives you Spartan charge

[jade gust]

Halo 4 was trying something different with the armour sets, I wouldn't really say it was a waste of time and resources when it allowed for each armour set to have a bit more of a unique character. It's just different to what came before it

[junior kestrel]

But yk. Good stuff like the personal cover, bubble shield, grav lift, mines, emp field.

[jade gust]

Sorry, the cable got tangled and I needed to cut it so I could keep fighting the Banished

[junior kestrel]

... I think it would have better served in doing reach's system with a new base design. Yk... mk 7...

Since it was already mentioned to exsist during kilo 5.

[ivory gorge]

Like I said I'm okay with it being removed from campaign but it should remain in multiplayer titles

[naive turret]

I miss the Grav Lift. The comedy potential of that equipment...

[ivory gorge]

I made a script where you can use a custom equipment and it'll put down a grav lift

[jade gust]

Infinite's was an evolution of Halo 3's system, outside of specific pieces of equipment, I don't see them going back to how equipment was handled in Halo 3

[junior kestrel]

Grav lift + bubble shield/warthog.

[ivory gorge]

I would like to see a weapon

[jade gust]

Well, they went with Gen 2 Mjolnir as to not be limited to just making a single base set for all Spartans. Like I said, they were trying something different

[ivory gorge]

That does kind of what the flamethrower did

[naive turret]

Rather with how Infinite does it, you can fold in some of the old Abilities in a limited sense.
Thruster we've seen but Hologram would work too.

[junior kestrel]

Fair.

Ig I mean I want some of 3s equipment back cause... for a lack of a better phrase.

It's ICONIC

[ivory gorge]

But instead of it being a flamethrower it just spews out electric ammo

Basically what I'm saying is you shoot it at the ground it has barely any range but if you get up close to somebody while it's spewing probably like 5 ft it starts to electrify them

[naive turret]

I would've liked some more neutral equipment, and it's a shame the enemies didn't use it in Campaign.
That's my gripes.

[junior kestrel]

Didn't turn out too well. And people hated 5 for restricting the customisation.

[jade gust]

Genuinely I am surprised we never got the hologram added in Infinite. Would've fit in perfectly with two charges per pickup

[ivory gorge]

What do we think about this idea for another shock weapon

[junior kestrel]

Why do we have two threat detecting items?

[junior kestrel]

Bubble shield?

[naive turret]

This is Infinite I'm talking about

[jade gust]

That was Halo 5, not Halo 4, which is the game you were talking about. In Halo 4 you could customise every armour piece from helmet to your legs

[junior kestrel]

So am I.

[devout carbon]

I lowkey miss the recruit armor.... sometimes i panic and mini vomit thinking about it not being in halo infinite.

[ivory gorge]

Basically my idea of another shock weapon would just be a flamethrower but instead of fire it's electricity and it would do the same amount of damage as combat evolves flamethrower and do damage over time if you have been electrified like the disruptor

[junior kestrel]

Ik. It's smt I liked about the system. But I would have prefered them go the reach route with a new base armour.

With all the new stuff being accessories,

New helmets and shoulder pads.

[ivory gorge]

It would also do EMP damage to a vehicles but you would have to get up close to them

[junior kestrel]

It's in infinite.

Just redesigned.

[jade gust]

Because they wanted one designed more around competitive play. The Threat Seeker at least functions different enough to the Threat Sensor that they can exist together. One has a persistent seeking dart which stays on the surface it sticks on, while the other bounces and only gives off one pulse

[ivory gorge]

It is just cavallino

[junior kestrel]

So it's a continuous arc gun?

[ivory gorge]

Basically

[ornate sequoia]

The End of Infinite?

"Halo Infinite's Next Major Update Will Be Its Last So Halo Studios Can Focus on 'Multiple Halo Titles in Development'" -IGN

[jade gust]

Cavallino has enough differences from the Recruit that I'd say they're not meant to be the same helmet

[ivory gorge]

It's a good idea it's literally just the flamethrower but shock

It literally would just work exactly like the Combat evolved flamethrower but with vehicle EMP

[jade gust]

So an arc thrower or whatever that one "shotgun" was in Mass Effect 3 was called?

[naive turret]

I like using vehicles, so I'd rather the shock weapons get axed.

[ivory gorge]

I think it's a cool idea

[ornate sequoia]

Using vehicles in infinite = get shot down in 3 secs

[naive turret]

Nothing like getting cross-map emp'd by the Shock Rifle.

[ivory gorge]

No shock weapons are cool hype moments and aura

[jade gust]

I remember me and someone else thought of a rework for them where instead of EMPing vehicles, they invert the controls, so if you're able to adapt temporarily, you would be fine

[dense stag]

Good to hear

[ivory gorge]

It could be fixed by them making it three shots to EMP instead of two and decreasing the time your emp'd

[ornate sequoia]

After just 5-years into their 10-year plan is crazy

[ivory gorge]

That was cut when the game launched

[dense stag]

I thought the 10 year plan was a myth a and they never explicitly said it or am I tripping?

[ivory gorge]

No you're tripping

[dense stag]

I’m a tripper

[steady jolt]

There was no 10 year plan for Infinite

[dense stag]

I am NOT a tripper

[jade gust]

The 10 year plan thing was not referring to Infinite specifically if I recall

[ornate sequoia]

I'm the tripper then

[ivory gorge]

It was said in a live stream the same live stream that gave us the iconic quote "the body of customization we will have at launch"

🗣️ 🔥