halo-discussion

[solid canopy]

That narrative is nonsense given Ryan Payton's original vision for Halo 4 being wanting to create something very different from any other Halo game

The idea was to do something fresh and different rather than play it safe and do "diet-Bungie"

[vague hornet]

Yes, they wanted to change everything under the assumption their vision was better than Bungies original vision and they effectively drove the franchise into the ground over the past decade

[solid canopy]

It was born more out of passion and love for the series and wanting to take it somewhere new rather than "make it better than bungie"

I'm sorry but that is total BS

Having read up on the development of Halo 4, it is clear the team had a great deal of love and passion for the series

[violet crescent]

My only issue with Halo 4 really was the art style and gameplay feeling a little clunky. Still better than 5 in every way.

[vague hornet]

I don’t think so, and even so, they clearly didn’t understand what fans loved about the original games. I heard that they even refused to hire Bungie devs who wanted to stay on and continue working on Halo. As you said, they wanted to do their own thing (with an established mega popular IP) and their own thing was bad and divided the fan base

[solid canopy]

That Bungie dev thing is a straight up lie

There were designers from Reach working on Infinite

Hell, there were a few Bungie devs on 4

They've brought on a few Bungie artists as well a few times

I'd hardly call Halo 4 "bad". Compromised, yes. But there is plenty of gold in there as well

Halo 5's multiplayer was still quite good

Infinite, for all it's faults, is good at what it does

Halo Wars 2 was very well regarded

[vague hornet]

I agree, I really really hate the Infinite marines. Also can’t stand them having those 343 style grunts mixed in with the OG grunts. The marines are super important though. Especially for the introduction of the flood and the iconic Captain Keys cutscene on 343 Guilty Spark lvl. These dumb looking plain marines will ruin that cutscene again just like Anniversary edition did with the stupid chonky marines from Halo Reach

[solid canopy]

Idk what the Halo Infinite design deserved to get so much hate. I have some issues with them myself, mainly in the color department, but they just look like Halo marines

Like, I can understand not liking Halo 4's take on their design (I even have my qualms with some of them)

[vague hornet]

I loved the Halo Wars games, story, and visuals but they were not made by 343i but by other studios Ensemble for Halo Wars 1 and Creative Assembly for Halo Wars 2, and cutscenes were made by Blur Studios. I wouldn’t exactly give 343i credit for that, but those games seemed to me visually more loyal to bungie aesthetics than what 343i did with the mainline fps games

[solid canopy]

Following up on this note, Josh Holmes, the guy who replaced Ryan Payton as lead on Halo 4 specifically stated that Cortana's arc in Halo 4 was inspired by his mother's fight with dementia. His mother got into Halo to bond with her sons, her favorite character was Cortana.

[solid canopy]

Except 343i was very hands on with Halo Wars 2, not to mention more of the Halo 4 art style and Halo 5 art style made it into that game than you'd think

The entire look of the Forerunners in that game is based off Halo 5

Not to mention the Reclaimer era weapons that popped up, or the Halo 4 marine designs being carried over, or the Halo 4 and 5 Pelican

Also @onyx latch rq, didn't Brian Reed work on HW2's story in a decent capacity?

[vague hornet]

They just look really plain and boring. They have no armor except for the chest piece. Zoom in on their knee caps, there is just some weird pad, no actual armor. And Halo CE was iconic for the green eye pieces which even Halo Anniversary added back in, even though they just added the piece to a Halo Reach marine which were way too bulky to fit with the Halo CE aesthetic, at least the eye piece was there… not anymore 🤷‍♂️

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/045/471/643/large/carl-forsberg-110.jpg?1642785999

[solid canopy]

Ftr I don't like the Infinite marines being in CERemake. Also iirc the eyepiece was in Reach on some of the Troopers or the Marines near the end

Ultimately, if you don't like them, thats fine

[stoic sky]

I have one gripe with halo 4, and it’s the Didact, I’ve played the game three times, and I still don’t understand why he wants to destroy humanity

I guess forth time’s the charm

[solid canopy]

He fought humans for thousands of years and went a little mad in that time is the TL;DR

[onyx latch]

Yep

[solid canopy]

I do agree that the Didact needed some serious improvement in 4. Much as I love that character

[rugged quartz]

Infinite marines are pretty much reach's BDU design..

i like halo wars/2 marines design a lot

[stoic sky]

I liked the idea of the Forerunners being ancient humans, I’m surprised that 343 retconned that of all the things in the ending of halo 3

[rugged quartz]

They didn't...

[stoic sky]

Guilty Spark said “You are Forerunner“

[solid canopy]

I remember somebody at 343i mentioning that they figured the Didact would be pretty simple as "ancient evil alien wants to kill humanity" and so a lot of the focus went into making Chief and Cortana work. Which shows in the final game because they are the best part

[onyx latch]

Bungie retconned it

[stoic sky]

They did??

[rugged quartz]

Guilty spark going all rampant about it, with the terminals spelling out things

[vague hornet]

I also was not a fan of him. And I also never understood why he has telekinesis powers. Just seemed super random. My other gripe was that I really hate the new enemy type. Promethians were really annoying or boring to fight. The teleport ones were annoying and the dogs were boring (just like some target practice mini game) I also hated their weapons. Never used any of them except for the sniper when I had to shoot the stupid dogs. And they ruined the whole color scheme of the forerunners too. Everything became bright orange for some reason

[rugged quartz]

he doesn't have 'telekinesis power', that's standard warrior-servant armour constraint fields

[stoic sky]

Yeah they made the giant sentinels from H2 look really primitive

[rugged quartz]

first mention in halo cryptum

forerunners aren't a single one thing. they spanned 3 million words. not every single thing will look the exact same

[stoic sky]

It’s the force

[solid canopy]

Bungie never had an offical set position on the subject. Shifting specific things over time. Jospeh Staten obviously felt that Humans are Forerunners, as Contact Harvest pretty heavily shows. But that book was written on it's own when Staten was not involved with Halo 3 and on his own. So obviously there were some things that didn't add up

[solid canopy]

"You heard of Darth Vader? Well, I'm Darth Sith"
-Videogamedunkey (2013)

[rugged quartz]

i dont know what to reply if you're just going to disregard

[solid canopy]

I'm just joking

[vague hornet]

I loved those H2 boss sentinels. I liked the general style of the bungie era sentinals a lot more than the promethians. Would have been up for them having more variants of that design style

[vague hornet]

He just had a high midichlorian count

[solid canopy]

Maybe all we needed was a line from Cortana mentioning that he disabled your armor and this wouldn't be an issue- at all. But ig they figured it wasn't that important because it looked cool

[rugged quartz]

His armour wasn't disabled

[solid canopy]

You know what I mean

[stoic sky]

Yeah, I will say that if halo studios changed the Promethians to look like the old classic Forerunner style it would it be cool. Imagine a game that had UNSC vs Covenant vs Flood vs revamped Promethians

[rugged quartz]

And do you seriously need every single little detailed spelt out?

[solid canopy]

Armor Lock

No, I don't. It was never an issue for me

[rugged quartz]

I rather the prometheans keep their identity

[solid canopy]

I'd mind the Promethans getting a little redesign, but I think the Halo 4 designs for the Knights look pretty sick

[rugged quartz]

i wonder what abbadon's crawlers look like

[solid canopy]

I don't like how Halo 5 got rid of the Crawlers ablity to scale vertically. That was a really cool niche they got to fill and allowed for some cool level design

[stoic sky]

Or a game that had the Covenant pit against the Banished

[vague hornet]

I know it’s a completely different IP, but in my own head canon, if the original art direction of Forerunners had Prometheans type soldiers, I think something like Geth from Mass Effect would have fit the aesthetic more than the Prometheans we got in H4 & H5

[stoic sky]

They could play it out like the schism in H2 sort of

[rugged quartz]

I do wish they didn't get rid of that yeah

[stoic sky]

I have an Xbox but pretty much only play halo, so I won’t get much references from other games on there

[solid canopy]

Cool as the Halo 4 design for the Knights are (imo), I would've really dug if Halo 4 specifically had the Promethean Knights be a lot more creepy

[rugged quartz]

i like them being stronger in 5 but with the weakpoints

[solid canopy]

Then in Halo 5 have them get a refresh to look more like they did in Halo 4. I love that one piece of concept art of the "Promthean Angel" that a fan did. Hits the right balance of "Cool sci-fi forerunner enemy" with "horrific result of digitized organic life"

[solid canopy]

That was a step in the right direction for sure. 5's enemy AI didn't set well with me my last playthrough, but I did appreciate the additon of the soliders and changes to the Knights

[rugged quartz]

I wish halo studios wouldn't just drop everything over and over and over though

[solid canopy]

Me too

[rugged quartz]

that's the biggest problem with halo studios

people didn't like that new thing, dont drop it. stick with it and improve it

[stoic sky]

Dang, I just realized some serious potential halo studios has for a halo 3 remake. They could tweak it like campaign evolved so Arbiter doesn’t feel left out

That could be promising

[solid canopy]

Halo 4 always gets me excited for what comes next, but then Halo 5 decides to toss a lot of that away

[vague hornet]

Geth were an ai race that went rampant in Mass Effect Universe and kicked their creators off of their planet. They operate in soldier bodies like this

https://cdn.wallpapersafari.com/56/25/pkN9KE.jpg

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/masseffect/images/c/cf/ME3_Geth_Trooper.png/revision/latest?cb=20120315171310

https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/001/073/243/large/jaemus-wurzbach-jaemus-masseffect3-geth-game.jpg?1439450455

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTcs1NqIoPbHADBZ3Wt7b7poW5VgsAuBVJasQ&usqp=CAU

[stoic sky]

Neat

[rotund zenith]

i wont take this geth slander. geth attained sentience and defended themselves against their would be destroyers

[solid canopy]

I don't see much need for a Halo 3 remake, as that game holds up much better visually than CE or 2 did on the surface
That being said, Cortana the level getting a proper fix up would be nice. More High Charity stuff, the Flood-Arbiter fight, and a proper Gravemind boss fight

[vague hornet]

There was a schism, many were good. The creators still got kicked off their planet

[solid canopy]

I almost wish Bungie got to do an extended cut of 3 with Cortana being made how they wanted it

[stoic sky]

Yeah, it’s just that Halo 3 is my fave game, so it’d be cool to play an updated version

[solid canopy]

I get it.

[rugged quartz]

I am excited for the flood in campaign evolved

[solid canopy]

Lord knows how badly I want to see Sega give their old series a go AND NOT GIVE IT TO FOREVER ENTERTAINMENT

[rugged quartz]

fighting them in their updated forms

[stoic sky]

It’s my sincere hopes that it and H2 get remakes that fit campaign evolved so we can play the trilogy in a consistent form

[solid canopy]

Yeah that will be cool to see. Like I said earlier, I hope the Flood are kept a secert until release and they really sell the horror

[rugged quartz]

But yes I want to see flood vs promethean at some point

[solid canopy]

Anybody complaining about CERemake doesn't understand how good they have it. (Panzer Dragoon II remake is..... not very promising)

[vague hornet]

I also don’t get all the people demanding a Halo 3 Anniversary. First of all, it won’t happen because that was a 343i project and they are gone. There’s a new studio now that is not doing those Anniversary games anymore, but also Halo 3 was on a newer gen console. It was specifically Halo CE and Halo 2 that really “needed” (if you can use that word, which I also disagree with) the graphical upgrade and they only upgraded them to basically 360 era hardware anyways because they were re-using Halo Reach and Halo 3 assets inside of Halo CE Anniversary 🤷‍♂️

[rugged quartz]

... halo studios is 343 industries..

[solid canopy]

Halo CEA was made in like a year, obviously Halo 2 Anniversary got quite the benifit from what Saber learned (and probably more time)

[vague hornet]

Sure, but they claim to be different and also have moved to a new engine anyways so Anniversary games are over either way…

[solid canopy]

They rebranded

Thats not the same thing

[rugged quartz]

i personally liked 343 as a name better

but the rebrand did work on many people apparently

[solid canopy]

I kind of wish it was structured like Halo Studios was the title for everything Halo related and then specific teams had unique titles like "343 Industries" and the sort

[rotund zenith]

the monitor and custodian of a halo ring being the name given to the studio that would monitor and be custodian of the halo brand had a poetry to it

[vague hornet]

Yes, I said they “claim” to be aka they rebranded. Also the CEO, Bonnie Ross, stepped down who basically was the one probably driving Halo into the ground as head of 343i for a decade. I call her the Kathleen Kennedy of video games 🤷‍♂️

[solid canopy]

Buddy, pal, it's not one person who screwed up

That goes for Halo and Star Wars

[stoic sky]

True

[dense ice]

If Halo 2 ever gets the UE 5 upgrade, I’d pay extra for them to at the AR. A halo game without the AR feels weird.

[solid canopy]

343i suffered from a lot things that I've already said above and I don't feel like repeating myself even more than I do

[vague hornet]

It never is, but the CEO is in charge of the vision. They can veto whatever they want but they let the bad decisions slide or even promoted them. Kathleen Kennedy and Bonnie Ross

[rotund zenith]

prime example is Andor where kathleen kennedy is described as basically shielding the project from outside interference

[vague hornet]

If this one succeeds I think they plan to make H2 and H3 in UE5 as well

[solid canopy]

If you want to argue "the buck stops with them" go to Matt Booty and Phil Spencer

[stoic sky]

Although I will say that H5 (my personal least favorite) looks like the Best game ever compared to Fortnite

[solid canopy]

And then go to Microsoft's board

[dense ice]

I felt like Infinite was a step in the right direction, but the cliff hanger sucked. I really want them to go all out on the open world. It truly felt fresh

[dense ice]

Honestly, they should just do every single Halo game. After Halo 7

[vague hornet]

I heard that she became involved in story elements for Mandalorian S3 which is where the story fell off pretty hard

[solid canopy]

Its pretty clear that Halo is a small showcase for everything troubling Xbox as a whole. Their record for managing studios is, frankly, very bad

[rugged quartz]

a lot of times i wish Hs and halo weren't owned by MS

[stoic sky]

The episode in Mando season 3 with Jack Black in it, oof.

[rotund zenith]

im gonna point to my conspiracy board and say everything is connected to them closing Ensemble

[solid canopy]

And with Xbox now having a mandated 30$ profit margin, they'll keep making horrible choices

[vague hornet]

Didn’t they finally bring on a big ex-bungie dev at the end of development, after the Craig fiasco to steer the final year of production? Why were they not doing this for the entirety of 343i’s tenure

[stoic sky]

There’s a line of dialogue that still makes me cringe

[dense ice]

Kennedy definitely needs replaced but Disney really screwed with Lucas Arts creativity. The directors of the sequels barely got any say in their movies.

[stoic sky]

Props to anyone who can name the line

[dense ice]

I’ve never hated a Halo game and have enjoyed them all tbh. The Cortana dictator storyline was just dumb though. Like you killed her off. Just let her stay dead. I mean she literally dropped all desire for galactic domination after the banished showed up. Even though she had the technology of Gods.

[rugged quartz]

They need to stick with the story

like i said, did it not so great? alright, well take what you have and improve on it, not drop it

[rotund zenith]

they revealed the weapons name at some point and im just kinda numbed that we wont get that as a small arc in a game now

[solid canopy]

Lionhead, FASA, Digital Anvil all gone. They burned bridges with Bungie. Rare sat in the corner and was told "No" to all their ideas. The Coalition's mess of a first major project that spent millions to get made only to get cancelled. 343i's leadership issues, all the studios they bought out in Zenimax and Activision before sucking the marrow from their bones.

Really, FASA was ground zero for this

[rugged quartz]

the halo 5 panel did pretty much talk about how they did those decisisons

[solid canopy]

If @onyx latch is still online they can explain that better than I can

[rugged quartz]

They should have just revealed it in infinite but, the perfect name

[solid canopy]

Still gotta listen to that

[onyx latch]

Oh, you mean their absurd and frankly likely drug-driven decision to catastrophically split their IP rights into functional uselessness?

[rotund zenith]

have like chief or brohammer come up with it and its like a gift, that wouldve been so good

[dense ice]

I think chief needs to be retired after Halo 7. There are so many other stories that can be told throughout the war. We could get an ODST 2, where they have to fight the prometheans in New Phenix (or where ever that happened”. There were other Halos and shield worlds

[rugged quartz]

No, it coming from her is the good choice

[solid canopy]

That and them moving the studio from Chicago to Seattle. Which iirc really screwed with them

[onyx latch]

I don't doubt it. Aughts era shifts like that are not great.

[rotund zenith]

i just want excuses for character interaction in a game but yeah thats good too

[solid canopy]

Bungie specifically moved to Seattle to avoid that because they knew a lot of the FASA guys

[onyx latch]

This is actually news to me, to be honest.

It doesn't surprise me, mind, but it's news.

[rugged quartz]

Yes more character interactions in game

[solid canopy]

Yeah, iirc one of Halo 2's concept artists was a Battletech/Mechwarrior artist that Marcus Lehto knew. I know this because Marcus Lehto wrote the forwards to their artbook

[onyx latch]

I may know a lot, but yeah, there's gaps in my knowledge lmao

This connection, apparently, is one of them

[solid canopy]

i was looking for interior spaceship concept art from the CE/2 era

[solid canopy]

https://edsmith.gumroad.com/l/otpot?layout=profile&recommended_by=search take a look

Honestly, I've considered buying a signed print from him

His art is incredible

[vague hornet]

Surprisingly it was actually Microsoft hires who are responsible for a lot of beloved aspects of the original Bungie games. Idk how many of you have heard this interview by Eric Trautmann but he talks about how him and Eric Nylund created the ODST’s and the Bungie devs didn’t even want to add them into the second game but Microsoft forced them to.

Eric Nylund also created the Oribital MAC platforms we see at the beginning of Halo 2. I’m really glad these Microsoft hired guys were involved and that they brought in real scifi writers like Nylund to build out the world more. Even though they were kind of treated like s*** by most of the Bungie devs and he had most of his best selling novel retconned by the Bungie guys when they made the Halo Reach game 🤷‍♂️

https://youtu.be/RbhoNpcXZ_k?si=YnmB1-euFfTzKR2z

[solid canopy]

I kind of wish he got to do some of the designs for the Forward Unto Dawn interior for Halo 4. Really make it feel like a Bungie ship before sending us into the unknown. (Thats not a diss at the designers, I appreciate a lot about Dawn's art design)

While they did make good games, Bungie was far from perfect. The fact the cracks in their facade are finally coming undone now is kind of incredible

I think back to that one Griesemer quote about him looking back on the Halo 2 documentary and seeing it as a massive pitty party

Where rather than the team taking Halo 2 as a learning oppurtunity they put their hands up and decided to stop trying to push the envolope anymore

Which to be clear, Halo 2's development woes were 100% self-inflicted. Half of the studio was busy working on an RTS called Pheonix, which took most of Jason Jones' time. And the other half was trying to make Halo 2 and constantly looking back for leadership that wasn't there.

Kinda of spiraled from there.

And to MS' credit, rare as I may give it nowadays, they gave Bungie plenty of extensions and help from what I know

Halo 2 launched at the last possible date it could

It goes without saying it is a miracle the game that good

But also that it fed into Bungie's self-serving image of itself, which based on recent reports of behind the scenes drama, has really turned into something bad.

Never a good thing to get high off your own hype

[pure vault]

Do we seriously still not have access to the Noble emblem for weapons? I thought that all the emblems between armors, weapons, vehicles, and nameplates now shared?

[unborn stirrup]

I would absolutely love and play the crap out of it if 343 made an open world RPG halo game that took place around the time of halo wars 1 where you create a spartan and level it up and do quests and take out enemy bases and stuff like that and can use lore and missions from the halo books around that time . Similar to the campaign of halo infinite

[low blaze]

Ngl I dont think most of the original helmets for halo infinite look very good

[low blaze]

The returning helmets look great but most of these new ones just have something about them that just doesn’t look great

[low blaze]

Actually a lot of the returning helmets look a little funky too

[pure vault]

I'd love a spinoff Halo game that was basically a first/third person version of Halo Wars. Make the foundation of the gamemode be based off of H5's Warzone Firefight. Destroy Covenant Bases and have UNSC ones constructed in their place. Have a reapawn system like Star Wars Battlefront 2(EA) where you start as marines as your main unit, but you earn points to spawn as a Spartan, Jetpack ODST's, etc. Once you take over your primary base, you can upgrade gameplay things like change your default unit from Marines to ODST's. Basically the same gameplay wise, but unlike as Marines, where you only respawn once your squad is dead and get dropped off by a pelican, you are able to respawn on your own in a droppod.

You could upgrade your base and have things built that change stats in the game, like vehicle depot makes vehicles respawn faster, and supply pads increase the amount of req points you earn.

[rotund zenith]

pet peeve i have with the mk7 helmets is they will often have very angular and protruding visors that just wreck an otherwise good helmet. There's also weird ones that i swear are just modeled incorrectly onto the spartan, firefall is the example for me with it looking like its angled 10-20° forward of where it should be. As a result equipping it causes my blorbo to no longer be able to look me in the eye

A lot of pieces on mk7 being unpainted miniature gray also makes me scream.

[dusky canyon]

Can someone help me? I cant join any game on halo infinite

[onyx latch]

Oh, damn, he did a lot of Mechwarrior 4 concept art.

Kinda explains why I always thought that the Thanatos wouldn't look out of place in Halo. Especially considering it has some similarities to the Mantis.

Sigh. Oh, Mantis. Why couldn't you be in Infinite.

[patent acorn]

Anyone else not being able to matchmake in infinite?

[solid canopy]

Something something open work limitations.

Its understandable but I still miss it

[rotund zenith]

might get luck throwing a post into #1075989764026675210 with some more details

[dusky canyon]

Thx

[patent acorn]

The error I'm getting is "there was a problem with the dedicated server. Please try again"

[civic sundial]

I don't think the open world nature of the campaign is why the Mantis isn't there

[patent acorn]

Ok may be me

Can't even do mcc

[rotund zenith]

just checked down detector and theyre getting alot of reports so it may actually be their servers

[patent acorn]

Are both mcc and infinite on the same servers?

[rotund zenith]

maybe? could be a halo studios or wider xbox situation

[patent acorn]

Its a wider Xbox issue

Like i cant look in my library

[valid widget]

Are Joseph Staten or any of the OG HALO dev team assisting with this remake? You would think they would want the original team back, to make the game that they always wished they could have back then. I'm sure that they would have a lot of very helpful insights, beyond just having the original storyboards and source code...

[coarse dagger]

Joe works at Duolingo now

He was at Netflix for a while

[valid widget]

He could still work off-site as a consultant

[patent acorn]

No joke all the major parts of Britain are red

On downdetector

[coarse dagger]

Joe moved on from Microsoft, I'm sure he's happy where he is

[valid widget]

It just seems logical to me that if I was going to remake such an important game - especially the one that started it all; I would want as many hands on-deck that created the original as possible. Mainly to get feedback on what to do as far as what they wished they could have done back then, to make the ultimate, definitive version of that game.

[coarse dagger]

I'm sure they will grab as much feedback as they can from available resources. I get wanting people back, but sometimes not everyone wants to or is able to

[crystal iron]

seems like a cool name but then it was named after a deceiving floating ball that exploded and died

obviously the most imporant thing about the remake is ||they need to make sure we can kill the crabs and birds||

[rugged quartz]

He's not dead

[rugged quartz]

I'm actually very excited about the wildlife

I do want slide and clamber but most importantly assassinations in the game

[civic sundial]

I am kinda surprised slide and clamber weren't shown off

[civic sundial]

Plenty of them have moved on to different ventures, I don't think they're required for making a Halo remake

Or in general, I don't think the original creative team on a game are required to remake one

[solid canopy]

I would like Macus Lehto back. He actually seems to be pretty open to returning

[civic sundial]

Aye but I also get the feeling that if he doesn't get to return, he won't take it personally

Like, I think he recognises that Halo isn't just his creation and it has passed through the hands of plenty of different creatives since he left working on it. Making a game is a collaborative effort and after 25 years, it's gonna have evolved into something different to a game from 2001

[solid canopy]

Hindsight is 20/20, but looking back, Joseph Staten probably wasn't sticking around long term. Infinite's development was in shambles and their lead left. They needed somebody to get them over the finish line and Staten fit the bill

[civic sundial]

Which isn't to say he shouldn't be allowed to return, I'm sure it'd be nice for him to return in an official capacity after being away for so long, not to mention it'd be good press amongst certain people, but it shouldn't be seen as a requirement

[civic sundial]

Aye, I feel like people forget Staten wasn't going to be there long term. It definitely helped he was there but it was also clear he was gonna leave

[stoic sky]

Halo: Caboose Evolved

(Red vs Blue)

[vivid viper]

yooo is infinite down cause theres been a problem with the dedicated servers every time it finds a game for me

[civic sundial]

Something is going on with Microsoft servers, Xbox is amongst the ones affected

[vivid viper]

ugh free us from microsoft

[low blaze]

People work for duolingo?

I thought they fired everyone

[delicate wind]

hey i have a issue on my halo combat evoled anniversey for xbox 360 and i have a grey screen when i finished level 1 then it frezze when i play level 2 when i change it back to classic and normal and the music is skipping in the main menu

[civic sundial]

What have you already done to try and fix this? Just so I don't suggest something you've already tried

You really don't know anything about 343/HS, do you

[vague hornet]

By the way, I totally agree with your sentiment. I just don’t think the Halo Studios devs care

[magic loom]

I think halo ce remake might just be their best game next to infinite in my eyes

[onyx latch]

I'm still not convinced he was the guy for that.

[onyx latch]

What was your first clue lmao

[vague hornet]

I’ve read reports about how 343i refused to hire back Bungie guys who wanted to stay working on Halo when the rest of the team went to Destiny when 343i first took over. And they even bragged about it in dev diaries that they had their own vision. Then they changed all the art design, fans hated it then they had to try to go back to Bungie style look to try to retain some fandom for Infinite

[magic loom]

Correct me if wrong but isnt Joseph Staten the guy that did the story telling for halo 1, 2 and 3?

[vague hornet]

How do you know? You’ve seen half of one level…

[civic sundial]

The wrong information for starters

[vague hornet]

Yes, for the most part

[magic loom]

Ive played many remakes many do their own and add or removed something but I still play them, I want see what ce remake is like fully

what is the flood like? what are those 3 extra missions? more weapons they are adding? I have alot of negative things to say but I want see what that game offers me

[magic loom]

looking at how enjoyable the campaigns were in 1,2, 3 and reach, wouldnt mine seeing him be brought back

[civic sundial]

Well, plenty of ex-Bungie devs have worked at 343/HS over the years, some still work there, like Ske7ch on the community team. He used to work at Bungie, left Bungie in 2011 and eventually ended up back on Halo when 343 hired him in 2016. I wouldn't really call that being the studio refusing to hire ex-Bungie people

[magic loom]

Maybe have some 343 devs do the music I love my halo 4 never forget midnight theme that is straight fire

[vague hornet]

Sure, I was just commenting on you saying this is their best game next to Infinite but we haven’t seen most of this game yet, and what has been shown (half of Silent Cartographer) has received really mixed reception from the fandom and from ex devs

[onyx latch]

The only ones I heard they refused to hire are people who have fully outed themselves as being people with genuinely abhorrent personal views.

[coarse dagger]

When Bonnie started the studio, Bungie staff were given the opportunity to continue to work on Halo. Only a small handful took up the offer. Since then there have been numerous people from Bungie come to 343/HS and vice versa

[onyx latch]

Considering Bungie's workplace culture was described as being socially toxic due to the actual workplace culture and not just crunch, I wouldn't want to hire some former Bungie devs either.

[magic loom]

I think its well warranted the criticisms, id love to see the 60 mag AR back it was fun and useful. Id like to see the marines and vehicle health show up again

maybe use the Halo CEA guns sounds, think they were the old ones but modernized thats a good redo

[civic sundial]

I honestly think we'll be seeing a different weapon show up with a 60 round mag

[magic loom]

I think we might see the 60 mag AR show up and maybe...just maybe the scrapped brown AR that shot grenade rounds from dig site

[latent acorn]

Like the Saw?

[civic sundial]

Most likely the SMG

I think the SAW likely won't appear in the CE remake

[magic loom]

Call me nuts I dont think Halo CE R needs weapons from previous games much just the ones they removed some were really cool looking

[civic sundial]

They already confirmed weapons like the BR and Needle Rifle will be in the game

[magic loom]

needle rifle my beloved,

[sturdy kernel]

Needle rifle that one from Reach?

[vague hornet]

Yeah, I personally don’t like their re-imagining of Forerunner architecture and it being too shiny instead of the matt look of the original that felt ancient. I also don’t like them having such heavy use of Infinite assets slotted in when they should be designing the appearance from scratch with new models that stay in line with the original Halo CE, otherwise don’t call it a “remake” because you are not “remaking” anything, just “re-using” assets from another game

[civic sundial]

Yes but we haven't seen it in gameplay yet (For the CE remake)

[magic loom]

I hope so, that weapon never failed me, they really expanded the needler weapons sad to see it go

[civic sundial]

I'd rather they not waste time remaking every model from scratch again when they already have perfectly good assets they can easily use. Allows the modellers and riggers to focus their efforts on new assets they do actually need to make

[vague hornet]

Yep, I think they said 8 new weapons in total. It’s confirmed the plasma sword and plasma canon will be usable too (they weren’t in OG Halo 1)

[low blaze]

What made them want to remove the scope from the DMR in halo infinite

[civic sundial]

9 additional weapons are gonna be useable, 5 we know of being the BR, Needle Rifle, Energy Sword, Fuel Rod and Sentinel Beam. The other 4 we don't know

[magic loom]

flamethrower please let it be that next

fuel rod too?

[civic sundial]

To try and make the Bandit a bit more unique compared to the other precision weapons in the game at launch

[vague hornet]

So just be lazy then? Also, some of the Infinite assets are nothing like the OG versions (like the needler) we should have the original for a Halo 1 remake. Not the redesign introduced in the 8th game in the franchise 🤷‍♂️

[magic loom]

i think it was a dumb move removing the scope from the DMR just using it sometimes I think im gonna scope, thats how used to it I am with it

[civic sundial]

It's not lazy to repurpose already existing assets, plenty of games do this all the time. You just don't normally notice it

[low blaze]

They better add the spear gun and the concussion gun

[magic loom]

lol I despise the concussion rifle from reach, it just never killed anything. For fun it just pushed things away could never find a use for it

spear gun?

[civic sundial]

It's a cut weapon from CE

Basically a harpoon launcher

[magic loom]

thats cool ADD IT!! ADD IT!!

[vague hornet]

It is lazy though. Especially when making a game that specifically meant to pay homage to the first game in the series. The marines don’t even have their iconic green eye piece from Halo CE (even the remaster added this in)

[magic loom]

subtle details are lacking sadly in that department, its demo so Im guessing we gonna get that alongside the proper look of the CE elites again

in the complete version

[civic sundial]

Personally, I'm hoping the last 4 weapons are the SMG, Beam Rifle, Sticky Detonator and Storm Rifle (I don't like the Plasma Repeater design and I will die on that hill)

[civic sundial]

Do you have any experience in the games industry? Also just because something is missing from the marines in the demo they showed off, that doesn't mean it won't be there in the final game

[magic loom]

I never liked the storm rifle or repeater, they all try to be the plasma rifle and fail in my eyes.

[delicate wind]

i did clear the system cache and delete update and game saved

[civic sundial]

I honestly don't think the Infinite Elites are an issue, I don't think the remake is trying to be a 1 to 1 recreation given it is adding in additional stuff like the aforementioned weapons and the additional gameplay mechanics like vehicle hijacking and sprint

And like, the Infinite Elite design is a good one, I don't see any point in throwing it away

[civic sundial]

Maybe make a thread in #1075989764026675210 then? Not sure what else I can say you can try. Someone may have your answer there

[magic loom]

Sort of messes with the lore a bit I think, the banished suppose to have their own ranks and faction.

I think they should have give the ce remake elites the halo 2 anniversary treatment

[vague hornet]

I really hope this is the case. The devs have not yet confirmed that all the Halo Infinite assets are just placeholders

[valid widget]

"Their best game "next to" Infinite"? Infinite was a complete disaster, filled with shamefully unfulfilled promises and unattainable marketing hyperbole.

What are you talking about LOL??

[magic loom]

Couldnt agree more but we got 28 player lobbies and firefight forge thats a massive thing that everyone has wanted

[civic sundial]

Nothing says the armour worn by the Elites in Infinite is Banished in origin. The Banished repurposes allot of Covenant gear

[magic loom]

thats true too

[valid widget]

But that's multiplayer - the single player game was atrocious.

[civic sundial]

Like just because a Banished Enforcer wears the specific armour he wears in Halo Infinite, it doesn't mean that armour was originally made for being an Enforcer

[magic loom]

Thats what im hoping to see in the finished product halo 2 anniversary did it lets see halo 1 ce do it next

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/edffd05d-4068-48e3-9489-591d2dbbbf18/deikm79-3ff85658-9a0e-495f-935c-2336ef981829.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiIvZi9lZGZmZDA1ZC00MDY4LTQ4ZTMtOTQ4OS01OTFkMmRiYmJmMTgvZGVpa203OS0zZmY4NTY1OC05YTBlLTQ5NWYtOTM1Yy0yMzM2ZWY5ODE4MjkuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.MxLsu5Q8ZEDCNdB-DDWY0xtOWhlryXLQO6-rWAikgi4

[civic sundial]

Plus like, people love their Reach inspired stuff, which much of the Infinite Elite armour is

[magic loom]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fx0d9b8yzw9g61.jpg%3Fwidth%3D1920%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26v%3Denabled%26s%3De19cdfbf342ea0a9ba66bf6613866d6dbe38bb63

CEA used the reach style elites, didnt think worked very well

After seeing how good 2 anniversary was done, think the bar of quality could be better but we will have to see

[magic loom]

Its been ages since I played campaign but I enjoyed myself it had moments awesome and bad ones just like any other halo does

It was pretty enjoyable, and really crazy plot point that happens later on

I lost my mind when it happen not gonna lie

[valid widget]

Personally, I think HALO: Combat Evolved is the best campaign, closely followed by HALO 3.

[magic loom]

2 is my favourite one

its really hard pickinga favourite between 1,2 and 3 and reach too

Thinking about it 3 looking back kinda feels like 1 and 2 combined both in gameplay but music and vibe as well

[crystal iron]

how much of HS are making ce remake and how much of it is other studios

[magic loom]

sorry no idea

[crystal iron]

concidering the game will have no MP, no forge, the campaign is very linear, logically they would have far more time to dedicate on campaign make new models in general

[civic sundial]

That's because they were trying to fit the Reach Elites on top of the original CE Elite's skeleton, the Elites in the new remake aren't Infinite Elites put on top of the Combat Evolved Elite's skeleton

They're just Infinite Elites

[magic loom]

this just came to mind but id like to see how the infinite elites would look with the ce elites animations, they both have a very slender body type that I think could work

[civic sundial]

I'm sure someone's retargeted the animations in Blender

[crystal iron]

hopefully this time they do work on the animations more, that pelican flying in the trailer is giving me halo infinite phantom animation vibes that were never fixed

[civic sundial]

I don't think I noticed anything wrong with the Pelican's flying in the cutscene?

[low blaze]

Why didnt the forerunners just get monitors to rotate grids over the flood are they stupid

[crystal iron]

huh maybe i was tripping, i watched it again now it looks fine, though the engine fire animations look a bit janky

[civic sundial]

I'm sure they'll be tweaking the fire from the Pelican thrusters

[low blaze]

They could definitely afford to spend 100 dollars to buy the grid

[bleak nymph]

Is anyone strugging to sign into MCC? It's giving me the "Validating License Information" popup when trying to do any online activities. I'm on Steam BTW.

[civic sundial]

Microsoft is having server issues right now

Which includes Xbox's servers as well

[bleak nymph]

Okay, was worried something was up. I cancelled Gamepass this month, and while I was pretty sure it wouldn't affect Steam I was worried that might have messed my account up.

[left cape]

halowaypoint.com seems completely cooked right now

[coarse dagger]

It's an Azure issue

https://azure.status.microsoft/en-us/status

[solid canopy]

He was the guy they had

[solid canopy]

Once again, all of this is total nonsense.

[wind birch]

No, It's defiently true that 343 was extremely petty and didn't want to hire any Bungie devs. They clearly had their own vision for Halo and wanted to differentiate themselves from Bungie.

[civic sundial]

Did you miss the bit where multiple people explained that wasn't the case at all?

[crystal iron]

azure down again? lol

[celest grove]

I will try Infinite for first time next month and I'm not sure If it would be more enjoyable playing it solo or jumping straight into coop campaign. Any answers?

[crystal iron]

what seems to be the overall reaction to ce remake

I assume some of the 343 purists wanted a sequel and not to be in bungies shadow again

unless they are planning to release multiple games next to each other

[civic sundial]

Well we know there's multiple projects in the works, this is just the first they've officially announced

[crystal iron]

sems like having 2-3 companies leadfrog each other with halo projects seems good, that way if you dont like 1 another one will soon follow

[dense ice]

I’m really hoping these prequel missions take us back to Reach

[wind birch]

It's well known 343 hired people who hated Halo

[civic sundial]

Already been confirmed the prequel missions aren't on Reach

They're gonna be telling us about events we've not seen yet

[covert hornet]

Why would they hire people who hate Halo if Microsoft's sole reason is to make money? Think about it

Not trying to argue btw, but just brainstorm on it a bit

[wind birch]

https://old.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/2vl26y/we_had_people_who_we_hired_who_hated_halo_because/

[covert hornet]

Why dislike it? Why put hours and energy from their lives to make Halo games then?

[signal ivy]

people skip most of that quote

they only read the first part and then ignore everything else

classic

[covert hornet]

The way I see it, it doesnt add up.

[signal ivy]

then they quote only that part in an attempt to back whatever point they're trying to make, but in reality the rest of the statement contradicts the single line they quote

as evident here

[wind birch]

And look at how Halo turned out under 343 leadership. What a disaster for the Franchise.

[signal ivy]

having peoples input who doesn't like something is great to get another viewpoint as to why certain people don't like something

[wind birch]

Yes, That's why Halo 4,5, and Infinite turned out so great

[signal ivy]

I agree

4 is my favorite in the franchise

[wind birch]

4 is the worst

[solid canopy]

I really hope you are being sarcastic

[wind birch]

I don't see how I'm wrong. it's clear they wanted to do their own thing and strive from Bungie's vision

[solid canopy]

Yes but thats not them being petty

Nor did they refuse to hire Bungie devs

[signal ivy]

they are just regurgitating misinformation from articles and youtubers

[tulip tusk]

but they're evil

[covert hornet]

and that is why I dont watch youtubers

[signal ivy]

it happens a lot in here, this is no exception. They then usually attack with more misinformation

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solid canopy]

Something something internet makes you stupid

[signal ivy]

usually results in bootlicker/shill comments when they find out what they're spewing is not accurate

[wind birch]

When you really break it down, 22 years later Halo under 343 has regressed rather than improved. losing split screen, co-op, campaign variety, story strength, multiplayer maps, modes, and free customization while replacing custom browsers with disliked SBMM and monetized cosmetics, leaving better graphics and armor kits as the only real gains in a franchise that’s stagnated instead of innovating.

[solid canopy]

One thing I find so far removed from reality is whenever people loudly proclaim "Bring back Bungie!" as if Bungie is even remotely the same studio they were 15 years ago, or even the original devs want to come back to Halo at all.

[signal ivy]

right

the original studio is long gone

with regards to the quote about losing free customization, I am pretty sure 5 and Infinite has had more free customization than any halo game before it

esp Infinite

[covert hornet]

imo infinite has the best spartan customization. Only hate the part where you gotta grind like crazy for em

[signal ivy]

but that's what people ask for

they want to "earn" the cosmetics

[wind birch]

I try to be as fair and objective as possible whenever I judge a game so my two cents is still. Infinite could have been better. It's just copium and lying to yourself in saying it's a great game. It's really not. It's not garbage but I can see why people says it is because I come out of that Campaign experience wanting more not because it's so good that I yearn more but because I feel like I've not played my 60 dollars worth.

[solid canopy]

I'm not saying they aren't without fault, or that the series has not hit some low points in the past 15 years, but I'd hardly say some of those things were intentional or done out of malace

Co-op/split screen being lost in 5 is the result of the Xbox One not being able to run it with 5's engine

[signal ivy]

people tend to act like there was a 343 vs Bungie court case and 343 won the ability to make Halo games from bungie and act out of malice and pettiness

this is a studio who was given teh franchise because bungie didn't want it anymore

[solid canopy]

They aren't Ken Penders 🥁

[tulip tusk]

infinite da best forge

[signal ivy]

and now are left to deal with a fanbase who can't fully decide what they want from it

[solid canopy]

Well it doesn't help that the past 15 years have been jumping between visions of the series

[signal ivy]

you can't keep catering to the old crowd because you alienate the newer players

[solid canopy]

I disagree with that idea

I'm not arguing that there is some stuff you can do to pull new people, but it's like arguing that Mario's core gameplay is outdated and needs to meet modern demands. No, its Mario, the fundimental gameplay formula is just as good

Does that mean you don't get to do new stuff? Of course not. But Halo CE's core gameplay holds up some 24½ years later.

I think what it really comes down to is embracing what Halo does well and building upon it (alla Infinite)

[covert hornet]

Well said, honestly. Unfortunately a group of this community have made themselves a bubble which they chose to sit in and believe that 343 is evil or they got bad intentions when none of that is actually going on

[solid canopy]

I think if you wanna really stray from the core, Spin-off material is the perfect place

Pretty much. Not every choice was the right call, obviously. But I can't think of one legitimate thing done because they hate Halo or Bungie and want the fans to suffer

[wind birch]

No one else really cares about Halo anymore. Very few brands have nosedived as hard as Halo, it went from a cultural and sales juggernaut to barely a blip on the radar of the average consumer. Besides a few exceptions, 343 couldn't have done a worse job shepherding the franchise.

[nova basalt]

Halo fans care about halo

Or, some of us do.

[solid canopy]

Given the past week's news (much as I hate it beyond anything I can put into words), I I think plenty of people know/care about Halo

(And I'm not just talking about the remake)

It is also very important to remember that Xbox's success also plays a pretty key role in Halo's success

Halo's decline just happened to begin when Xbox started to drink stupid juice

[wind birch]

It's just so sad how they ruined a huge part of my childhood. I can never forgive 343 for that

[solid canopy]

They didn't ruin it. You still have those memories

I can understand being let down or depressed at the series current state, lord knows I have been, but that doesn't mean you can't still enjoy the parts of it you do.

I still like Star Wars (1977) even if I couldn't care one bit about whatever Disney+ stuff comes out every other month

[wind birch]

Well, Disney ruined Star Wars as well.

[covert hornet]

Why, what did you find wrong?

[solid canopy]

It's not anything HS did

I'm not gonna get into it because this server (thankfully) has rules against talking about politics

[covert hornet]

Ah okay I know what you mean

[wind birch]

I just don't see how any fan can be happy with CE Remake when I already have a CE remaster and UE5 will probably mean the game won't run well. If I were 343, I would do a spin off like Reach or ODST. Chief's story is done, no need to continue it. Mabye do reboot of the original trilogy after that.

[covert hornet]

Im with you on that

[signal ivy]

Chief's story is done?

what do you mean by that

also I dont see how you can say they ruined your childhood and then want a reboot of the entire original trilogy

[wind birch]

It ended with Halo 3. Chief is stuck in the cryochamber and that's it. Everything with the Promenthians is just dumb and doesn't feel like Halo. and then you have Osiris team which is just even dumber.

[solid canopy]

Halo 4's got some good stuff in it, warts and all

[wind birch]

I really don't like Halo 4. It's the one Halo campaign I can't finish because it boring for me to play

[signal ivy]

It ended with Halo 3
I mean you're free to believe that if you want, but the reality is that's not the case

[solid canopy]

Compromised, yes. But when it's good, it's good

[wind birch]

Yea, but the story after Halo 3 is just bad.

[solid canopy]

Composer is one of my favorite levels in the whole series

[signal ivy]

then you believe that it's bad, it doesn't mean it didn't happen. His story did not end

[solid canopy]

Midnight is also pretty sweet

H5 is a different beast with its own problems, and I have far harder of a time defending that campaign even if there are a few things I like

Btw @plucky flicker, did any of your questions get answered at the HCS event's Halo 5 panel?

[wind birch]

Because them ruining Cortana is something I don't want in my Halo. Halo 5 is Last of us 2 for Halo fans

[solid canopy]

I feel like TLOU2 and Halo 5 have far different issues with their narrative

Cortana's ressurection is a choice I do not care for, especially as somebody who digged Halo 4

[covert hornet]

I think the new Halo CE remake is a good move overall. For new players, it’s a chance to experience where the series began but with better visuals, and smoother controls. For longtime fans, it’s something familiar to them, and they get to experience it with the new additions and alterations that could make the story flow better. The way I see it. It feels like the right place for the studio to start taking what worked before and building on it the right way

[solid canopy]

As I've said a few times now, this remake is there to get the team used to building Halo games in Unreal and working as a team

[covert hornet]

Im all for it

[wind birch]

I guess, They can probably redo the libary and assault on the control room. People will play it for a month and probably forget it. Now if it had Multiplayer, I would be intersted because I love CE multiplayer.

[solid canopy]

Kind of like what Ryan Payton wished he did when building 343i

[signal ivy]

I think having MP in CEV would split the playerbase and double the effort needed to maintain both that and any future titles.

I don't have a problem with CEV being campaign only

[covert hornet]

I agree, we should've gotten multiplayer with the CE remake but this is what we got and it's fine. We should be getting a multiplayer game a bit after the release of the new CE. Im speaking here from what I've observed so far and felt, it just seems to be going that way for a multiplayer game

[signal ivy]

they also provided a means for people to still play both the original campaign and MP if they so choose to do that

[wind birch]

But we also have to remember how badly they ruined Halo. It's like coming back to an abusive ex

[signal ivy]

I do not share the same sentiments as you on that

but that's ok

[covert hornet]

Forgive but never forget ig

[signal ivy]

people are allowed different opinions

[covert hornet]

I wonder if the MP game will also include another campaign that takes place right after infinite

[signal ivy]

no idea

Until they announce any future MP or campaign, we will just have to hang tight

[winged hazel]

the ip is technically under new management now. it ain't exactly 343 anymore

think of it more like, i dunno, that abusive ex's sibling

[covert hornet]

does the sibling like me

[magic loom]

im hoping after halo ce campaign is done, they add the multiplayer next

[winged hazel]

that's a hell of a gamble

[solid canopy]

I'd hardly call 343i an "abusive ex"

[winged hazel]

but there's still a chance

[covert hornet]

im nice to the sibling though

[magic loom]

after that they then go back and fix infinite, still pissed theres no plasma rifle, spartan laser, shotgun and so much more

[signal ivy]

I'm ok with the lack of the anti-fun gun

[covert hornet]

Pretty sure they dont have alot of time to work on infinite since they're on like 2-3 projects C:

[magic loom]

if ce does well halo 2 and 3 might get a remake thats very interesting

what an anti fun gun what?

halo 2 is gonna be interesting if they remake that, imagine the reaction oh boy if that gets announced

[covert hornet]

I hope to God they give us dual wield in CE

[signal ivy]

I think more people would be upset than happy about that

[covert hornet]

I get what you mean since it's a Halo 2 thing but still not a bad feature

[signal ivy]

it is for MP

campaign it's whatever

[left snow]

You would think they would save that for Halo 2?

But even then I would be happy if they didn't bring it back. Fun yes. But it blew up the sandbox.

[covert hornet]

Idk I just dont see anything wrong with it being added

[left snow]

Nominally it doubles your fire power. So at close range - where it's hard to miss - you kill at twice the speed. 50% TTK.

But it was bad - especially for multiplayer. They had to start nerfing the weapons to compensate and that then makes single use less fun.

I might be up for it in Campaign again. Maybe. And I'd definitely be down for custom multiplayer. But only custom.

But there is a reason they didn't continue it. Or that other developers didn't ever go down that path.

[covert hornet]

Ah okay, I understand

[magic loom]

I would have made dual wield a thing you could only do in campaign and give it to players as an optional thing they could turn with custom games

[winged hazel]

lovely challenge hub roll this week. nobody matchmakes on h2a and installing h4 multiplayer would take way too long.

[left snow]

Yep. I think it could have been fun for custom games.

[magic loom]

I realy hate that, this thing didnt work in one place, bin it completely everywhere else

[left snow]

It would entail a lot of work. Animations in particular. Probably too much for a small niche in custom games.

[magic loom]

They have all the time to do so, they can update games and add content to them

[latent acorn]

Duel wielding was a nice feature in the 2000s. But is agreed it did nerf the fire power as result. But it was cool feature back then at the time not just H2, Far Cry: Instinct, F.E.A.R. and Serious Sam

[magic loom]

Update for Infinite custom games announced dual wield is optional and playable elites, fans would go insane and firefight maps would be made more, we get more custom games for invasion and who knows what else we could of gotten

[left snow]

You still have to balance the cost/time to outcome.

It's like assasinations. They were a lot of fun. But what is the point of doing all that work if 99.9% (made up statistic) of players are just going to turn them off.

[magic loom]

Again updates it would take time but would get more players into the game, people are still asking for that stuff

assassinations are interesting though would be nice to see come back, thought after 5 it would of been a staple at that point

[left snow]

Playable Elites. The classic example of too much work (animations and sounds) to justify. Even for the passionate fanbase of playable Elites.

It was only really feasible if you needed to work on those assets for the Campaign.

Arbiter missions = playable Elites in MP.

[magic loom]

thats true

[winged hazel]

reach would beg to differ.

[magic loom]

Reach added alot of detail to elites, think they went a bit too far

[left snow]

Problem is that people would turn them off. When they went into Ranked modes - or when a team mate annoyed them with a Yoink. And then they couldn't be bothered turning them on again.

I would have microtransacted the Hell out of them.

[magic loom]

yeah keep that stuff out of ranked hell nah elites couldnt work there or any of that stuff

[left snow]

The epitome of fun was stealing a mate's kill while they were showboating an assassination. 😄

Good times...

[magic loom]

Halo players are so easy to trigger, I once accidently yoinked an enemy that was being assassinated by my teamate with nicely placed grenade, that player go so mad he hunted me throughout the whole match

[crystal iron]

too hard to use

[magic loom]

Halo players take the games way too seriously now, couldnt even get my old buds to play it now due to the high competeive nature of the games now

I found the forge controls alright, posted some forge maps on youtube a while back. miss my reach controls but the new ones I think do their job

[latent acorn]

I remember last decade I saved myself from assassination where one player was starting assassinate me, I threw grenade before it started. Just about the moment the assassination was about completed the grenade went off killing the said enemy opponent. I got a show stopper medal as a result. It was one in a billion for that.

[crystal iron]

what happened

[whole cloud]

so is infinite going to get anymore updates or content in 2026 or is this it? after the December pass

[covert hornet]

I think we will get content from infinite in 2026

[crystal iron]

huh you got banned for asking about a memorial nameplate? 💀

how do people with past steam comments like that become mods on halo steam page lmao

[low blaze]

Why does master chief look so weird in the anniversary remaster

[crystal iron]

he got a haircut

[low blaze]

Ah that explain it

So sad he got rid of the ponytail

[dense ice]

I tried so hard to watch season 2 of Halo but I just can’t get through it. It is just such a terrible show.

[brave pier]

I was playing a little of halo CE on pc and played with the OG graphics such memories

[tulip tusk]

im stupid anyone can

[crystal iron]

I think you're smart

[celest heron]

They likely haven't seen it, but not sure why you need to make it about yourself implying they'd think what was posted would be acceptable. (how is it fair that I was banned, but they weren't).

[signal ivy]

@balmy peak we do not have any insight to the moderation of steam nor do we handle steam moderation here.

[onyx latch]

Having seen what people post on the Steam Forums, I'm inclined to believe most people who get banned from Halo's completely deserve it.

[solid canopy]

I think they outta just make assasinations on in social and off in whatever ranked playlist they deem necessary

[onyx latch]

Like, I'm not gonna lie, I've seen how Steam Forum users talk to Aspen. Someone linking something she said does not kindle sympathy. If anything it triples my scrutiny and doubt. I've seen the things people have said to her for doing her job.

[celest heron]

first link is for issues in mcc, not on the forums. People can also be mods in the same spaces, but that doesn't mean each forum handles the same issues.

[onyx latch]

I don't use sites that actively have leaders that platform and promote predators.

[solemn portal]

says the turbo Redditor, lmao

[solid canopy]

So glad I never bothered signing up for 95% of social media

[balmy peak]

But they are Moderators, aren't they? Infact, I see one 'Pyrocitor' in the "Staff" right here, online right now. Do you not?

[onyx latch]

I like how I don't even need to open blocked messages to know who sent them. How's the kids, Gab.

[onyx latch]

Most of it is a hellpit. I really only use Bluesky and Discord these days. Or my old Battletech Official Forums account.

But I'm still aware of the sort of horrible crap people say on the Steam Forums, especially when they get banned or warned on the Halo related Steam Forums.

[solid canopy]

I only have this and Tumblr, which is mainly because some artists I follow post on there. I use Youtube a ton, but I can probably count on my fingers the amount of times I've felt motivated to use any account features

[balmy peak]

Not at all my preference, but when I can't provide images here (Considering the explicit material, they'd be understandably unwelcome), I'm hardly left with much choice but to remember I have a Twitter account & make use of it for this matter, especially as all attempts to communicate via Steam have utterly failed or been prevented (Hence why I'm now here to begin with): https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3471686532

[celest heron]

the specific people are mods in both places, but that doesn't mean all the staff are modding both places. pyro likely doesn't discuss steam issues here.

[onyx latch]

Oh, I disabled my Youtube's ability to even load comments entirely.

[solid canopy]

Wow

[left snow]

That would be a great start.

I do miss them. 🙁

[solid canopy]

I mean maybe it's because I'm never logged in, but I've never found Youtube comments to be that insufferable

Maybe I'm just not looking

[onyx latch]

Reading that, yeah, Aspen was right to. Especially the comments about hating the LGBT community.

Again, I know the sort of crap that's been said about her. Including the comments of people who threatened to do horrible things as part of your evidence is not a good look.

The nature of which I can't actually say here, but to say I'm disgusted by them is frankly an understatement. Hell, saying I'm still furious would be an understatement.

You're better off cutting your losses and going outside, learning to handle your differences of opinion and dissappointment better.

In fact, most of the clingers-on to that post would be better off doing so.

[celest heron]

of course you keep making it about yourself

[onyx latch]

When you include the comments of the horrible stuff in your evidence post, yes.

Absolutely. If nothing else that serves as a positive endorsement of what was said.

[coarse dagger]

^ further to this, we do not allow the discussion of moderation in public channels. If you want to discussion moderation issues regarding another platform, please use the tools provided on that platform to speak with staff. Thanks

[solid canopy]

Idk who Aspen is, but if people are being jerks, they should be treated as such

0 patience for people who just knowingly act horribly to others

[onyx latch]

Frankly, one of my longest-standing issues with Halo is the fanbase for a reason.

It has a lot of people who think threatening some incredibly horrid things is an okay response to even the most mild of inconveniences.

Even knowing the likely reason people were actually mailing 343i Pizzas when Halo 5 came out is mortifying in hindsight.

(It's usually meant as harassment and a threat)

[signal ivy]

MCC on PC*

[onyx latch]

I thought it was both?

Hence the Pizza skins in 5

[near blade]

MCC on atari 2600

[solid canopy]

That was given out for Halo MCC's port iirc?

[signal ivy]

nah

[onyx latch]

Huh.

[signal ivy]

just MCC

[onyx latch]

Still. I'm sick of people being crappy.

[signal ivy]

they sent pizza because they were happy

[solid canopy]

The Pizza thing was from a place of excitement

Idk if they were paid for or not i hope they were

[onyx latch]

Not sure I trust that as much nowadays.

But, maybe it's just my paranoia.

[solid canopy]

MCC being ported to PC was a massive announcement

People were happy and excited

[onyx latch]

I foresee a Cryptum.

[coarse dagger]

@balmy peak We went through this with you 2 weeks ago. You were told what to do then, the response has not changed. We are not discussing it any further here. Move on

[onyx latch]

My perspective on a lot of this stuff is such that, at this point, I tend to automatically assume the single worst outcome or reason for most actions taken towards any entity depending on where the action is coming from. So like, yeah, I'm sure it's possible that it was being done out of joy, but I also see that as possibly being spin for something that was being done out of malice.

[solid canopy]

I hope and pray MCC gets ported to PS5, with proper crossplay for each game.

[onyx latch]

But maybe that's just because I've been inundated with a lot of understanding of how and why certain forms of discord are popular these days, and how and why certain forms of harassment-even ones that appear positive-are deeply insidious even if they sound overall innocuous to the less informed.

So yeah, if it was out of joy, mea culpa.

[solid canopy]

I can understand that with how the Internet tends to embolden horrible behavior, but not everyone is terrible or even malicious

[onyx latch]

I know that, it just tends to be my first belief.

[solid canopy]

S'all good

I am half-convinced I should just make a horrible mistake and throw my hat into the "internet person halo video essay" ring

Purely so I can just say my piece on some stuff and call it a day

[onyx latch]

I still consider it, but I'd rather not be known as a Halotuber.

[solid canopy]

Well the idea is to draw them in with a well made, high effort Halo 4 video and then spend the rest of my videos talking about Babylon 5 with minimal effort

Really just make videos about whatever

I think it was that video about Halo 4 that got me to actually consider this

[onyx latch]

Should I be glad that I don't know it?

[solid canopy]

I think I discussed it with you once

[onyx latch]

Oof

I mean I believe it, I just don't know which you're talking about

[solid canopy]

It compares Halo 4 to a form of assualt in the thumbnail

[onyx latch]

OH

OH YEAH THAT ONE

Yeah that was horrible

[solid canopy]

I haven't even seen the whole thing but I couldn't stand it

[solid canopy]

I think anybody who unironically compares a piece of media to that probably needs to get their head out of 2013

It's super childish "they ruined my childhood" nonsense

[onyx latch]

I can't say what I think they should do here.

Or, really, anywhere on the internet.

Like, from when we had that convo, my opinion has likely significantly become more angry about it.

[solid canopy]

Normally I would just move on but then I see people actually watching it and I feel like jumping into a river

[onyx latch]

Yeeep.

[solid canopy]

Hence why I feel somewhat compelled to make a "Halo 4 has a ton of cool stuff in it" video

[onyx latch]

So there's this thing that happened after Halo 4 came out but before Halo 5 came out where I actually got to watch public opinion shift in real time.

This guy, I forget who, who made this lengthy post about why he loved Halo 4's cinematography.

And over the next week I basically watched most Halo forum opinions change on 4, even longtime haters of it, shift their opinion as Halo culture's body absorbed this guy's stuff. It was weird.

Then 5 came out.

And uh, well, angry people undid all that. And also all this was happening at the same time as GamerGate, so well, y'know, I don't think I really need to explain the rest.

[solid canopy]

Adding on this rq- that scene at the end of Composer is my all time favorite cutscene in Halo 4. Chief's rush to get the scientists off the station, the upclose horror of Composition, when Chief wakes up surrounded by the digitized ashes of the station crew.
Cortana curled up on the console, clearly thinking this is the end. Chief seeminly unphased by what just happened before Cortana asks him "it won't be me. You know that, right?" Before Chief, either out of denial or pure determination (or both) makes her know "that's not going to happen"

[onyx latch]

God, in hindsight, that line is so much darker after 5.

Because the Cortana in 5 quite figuratively wasn't her, not in the way Chief knew her.

That's kinda why I say 5 twists the knife.

It's the first Halo where you were the obstacle to saving the galaxy, in Cortana's eyes.

[solid canopy]

And then we get that scene of them getting on the broadsword, the loading bay comparatively silent from the Covenant attack we just fended off. And then Chief and Cortana approch the Didact's ship and the Halo motif kicks in with that awesome drumline from Niel and Kazuma and holy crap Halo 4 was so close to being the series peak

[onyx latch]

Damn it now you got me to want to steal your idea so I can apply it to 5.

[solid canopy]

It's not a bad idea. I just wish it didn't follow up Halo 4 and toss aside a lot of other stuff/got told kind of poorly

Imo Cortana returning as a villain wasn't the worst idea. I just think we needed a few games to get there

[onyx latch]

I think 5 would've been taken a lot better if Spartan Ops didn't get cut off.

Which is what the comics were for.

[solid canopy]

(I also believe it might've been better if Cortana was more of an isolated villain than a galaxy-wide dictator)

[onyx latch]

Especially since, if the comics are to be believed, Tanaka and Thorne would've been fleshed out a lot more and also introduced.

[onyx latch]

Even when I didn't like 5 because I wasn't as good at understanding narratives yet, I still mostly believed this. It's not the idea, it's the execution.

I still kind of do, but nowadays I tend to roll that criticism into the same criticism I have for the entire franchise-the campaigns always cut too much content, and usually need more time in the oven.

[solid canopy]

Like, ok, this is a dumb hypothetical idea, but you get "The Reclaimer Saga" which details the shifting power structure in the Galaxy with the Mantle serving as the main theme of it. Chief's humanity is fleshed out with Halo 6 ending with him seeming to having grown beyond "military hardware" like Halo 4's ending planted the seeds for. Didact is beaten, Arbiter's goal of unified post-war galaxy is set up more with the Mantle plot point, Jul's covenant is decisively beaten, ect. ect.

[onyx latch]

Maybe it's too on-the-nose but I think a Mantle logo would need to be destroyed in such a scenario.

Because 5 was setting up a perfect position for the Concert of Worlds and the destruction of the appeal of the Mantle.

[solid canopy]

But then we get to a hypothetical Halo 7, where Chief and the UNSC Infinity go off to Zeta Halo after some plot thingy from Halo 6. Chief, for all his growth, still clings onto the idea of Cortana being out there somehow.
Banished show up, the ring gets pulled to the middle of nowhere, and Chief emerges on the Ring looking for Cortana

Only for Cortana, who has been seemingly hiding in the background, to be the bad guy. Do the thing of having the inverse of 3 play out where Chief's faith in Cortana proves to be wrong

[onyx latch]

So basically reshuffling half the plot of 5 until after Infinite?

Because that is basically the first half of 5 in terms of Chief's motivation, which is getting Cortana and having faith in her motives until the events of Meridian.

[solid canopy]

And then idk, maybe some ending where Cortana leaves the ring to go enact her villainous plan with a cliffhanger of Infinity destroyed, the Banished on the rise, ect.

[onyx latch]

... Actually, what's weird to me, is that now that I think more on it, maybe I misjudged Chief's actual concern in 5 before he specifically says it to Cortana.

[solid canopy]

Right, but instead move it to one location and let the Didact/Sanghelios stuff have more focus across the "Reclaimer Saga" games

[onyx latch]

He is well aware of the Halsey-Cortana connection by 5's beginning. And knowing Cortana is doing something clearly does not sit right with him, and he was mulling over it the entire game.

And you never see Chief think on it a lot but he, like most of the IIs, is well aware that what Halsey did was very wrong.

[solid canopy]

If you are going to do a massive Galaxy altering event where the power structure is flipped on it's head-
Don't do that in the game after you introduced a new power structure in the Galaxy

[onyx latch]

I could kinda see it, I guess, if the events are implied with a pseudo-cliffhanger for 6/7.

Start cultivating the mystery of why Promethean stuff isn't stopping, or why planets are starting to depopulate as giant winged things emerge.

[solid canopy]

I'd prefer having the Didact use the Guardians so they'd be an established threat

[onyx latch]

I honestly dislike the Didact as a villain.

[solid canopy]

Agree to disagree but alright

[onyx latch]

Like, he's fine in a vacuum, but overall I don't like him.

It's mostly just a stakes thing.

Too much, too fast, too hard.

[solid canopy]

I think he was under-developed in Halo 4

[onyx latch]

NGL I'm still pissed they killed off Cortana, truly.

[solid canopy]

He had plenty of good dialogue or cool scenes, but by 343i's own admission, the brunt of the focus was on Chief and Cortana during development

[onyx latch]

Like, you could've had one of the potentially most cinematic Halo space battles ever. A combined UNSC and Swords of Sanghelios Fleet rushing Earth's defenses.

The intro of Halo 2 from the other side's perspective

[solid canopy]

That would be cool

I get your perspective, as somebody who didn't like how so much stuff was dropped from Halo 4 going into Halo 5, I can understand being unhappy they did the exact same thing with Halo 5 going into Halo Infinite

[onyx latch]

Infinite was a let down, aesthetically, in a lot of ways.

[solid canopy]

Indeed. Fun game though

[onyx latch]

I'm problably gonna die mad about this lmao

Because now that I'm on it again I'm thinking about it. And now I'm thinking of ways it could be done.

[solid canopy]

I think you could still get a compromise with an Empty Throne game or smth

[onyx latch]

Anything from fighting on the Infinity's hull to a joint eight-Spartan assault of Blue Team and Osiris landing on a Super MAC up-jumped with Created tech to destroy it.

[solid canopy]

I'd fw a 3rd Person Empty Throne adaptation

[onyx latch]

Honestly, the Created in general could've been the first actual avenue to introduce human enemies to a Halo game.

Even now, actually.

Since they no longer have access to endless stores of Promethean tech, they'd need to make up for it with tech expertise and human/drone/cybernetic support forces.

Back when I was fanfic writing I'd always call these forces "Quisling" forces. Humans and other species signing on for extra rations or political support.

[solid canopy]

This is a little self-indulgent but my idealized Reclaimer Saga reworking would be something like
Halo 4-> Halo 4: Spartan Ops (a stand alone prequel to Halo 4 that introduces more aspects of the post-war galaxy) -> Halo 5 which would either be two games or split campaign SA2 style -> HW2 (Reclaimer Saga Gaiden lol), Halo 6 -> then this hypothetical reworking of evil Cortana stuff

Spartan Ops being a prequel is there mainly so not a massive amount of time passes between 4 and 5, and also so we can see more of the post-war status-quo

[onyx latch]

I think my dream Halo game at this point would literally just be a Spartan IV-centric PvE-focused game based around building anti-Created resistance culminating in kicking off the liberation of Earth that gets advertised with The Phoenix from Fall Out Boy.

I may be nostalgic in spite of my hate for it with the need for anti-authoritarian media.

[solid canopy]

Majestic is basically framed as a POV team, learning to work together as they deal with everything from massive space battles protecting UNSC colonies in huge battles to doing specific missions as various Covenant remnants fight for power

[onyx latch]

That really is something that was needed more. Spinoffs and focus on non-Chief-centric post-war status quo.

[solid canopy]

Also I really like the idea of Halsey's scenes with Throne being during Halo 5 when Chief goes AWOL

Like, Locke brings her on board Infinity to interrogate her

I'd also wanna play with the idea of Locke's trustworthiness being constantly in question

Like, is he a total ONI spook constantly having a top secert mission for his employers or is he something more

This'd basically culminate in a scene where he lets Chief go off to complete his mission rather than arrest him per ONI's orders (this bit is an idea taken from another Halo 4/5 rewrite but with different context)

[solid canopy]

(I might have to steal this idea if that's alright)

[onyx latch]

Sure

It's not a very complex one lmao

[solid canopy]

Yeah but the imagry is strong

I think if like the Arbiter and whoever standing on the ruins of a Forerunner structure (more Delta Halo-esq ftr), making some declaration or something or other, before the camera cuts to a bird's eye view showing him and whoever standing on the Mantle glyph with a cracked surface

What if the Arbiter was just the main character going forward after 3 and the series focused on the post-war galaxy instead.

I'm not saying I'd prefer it, but it's ripe with potential

Also, @onyx latch ever since you (at least I think it was you) made that comparison between the Mantle and the nonsene of the "White Man's Burden" with the context of Epitath's plotpoint of the Mantle being something to reject, I've really started to realize how perfect the idea of the Mantle was for the post war galaxy/reclaimer saga

[onyx latch]

It was problably me.

But yeah, Halo 5 actually outright has Chief directly reject the Mantle. It's actually my single favorite part of 5.

Cortana brings it up in a conversation between Chief, her, and Fred, and Chief directly shoots it down as an Imperial Piece, correctly.

It's why Thel's concept of a Concert of Worlds is so important, because it is actually very ancient human/human in how it is intended.

Species allying out of common good, not as imperial fiefdoms led by brutal overlords.

[solid canopy]

And they can all build a space station in neutral space, where humans and aliens can work out their differences peacefully. Maybe call it "Alexandrea 7"

(i am very funny)

[solid canopy]

man a Babylon 5 rpg would be so cool

Anyway, I figured it wouldn't hurt to thank you for making that comparison

[rugged quartz]

O ;ole tje Dodact

I like the didact. Those typos were so typo, I'm not going to even delete that

[upper berry]

Is it me or did they change how the Ravager works in the multiplayer?

[short flower]

I’ve officially proven how terrible I am at infinite ranked - got a rank I no longer care now.

[low blaze]

How do I convince master chief to give me 20 dollars so I can buy the halo 1 armor in infinite

[covert hornet]

pretty sure the chief himself does not have 20 dollars on him

[low blaze]

Im sure he can get a discount

That is him after all

[covert hornet]

You just reminded me

On the next Halo MP game, if a player reaches max rank/level. They should get a discount on customizations

[rigid saffron]

Anyone got enough to gift someone MCC? got too used to not owning it

[manic ocean]

Yo what is everyone's favourite halo games mine are the halo wars franchise and 1 2 and 3

[left snow]

Infinite > H5 > Reach > H2 > CE > H4 > H3

[crystal iron]

here is some footage of that "spartan raid" thing i keep talking about
https://youtu.be/6P1IvABzayg

[fringe juniper]

Had a funky audio bug while playing infinite firefight

My audio starting glitching the cut out entirely

But then only certain sounds would trigger I could hear grenades bouncing a mongoose when someone was driving it and the sound of 1 specific gun firing

And nothing else

Weirdest bug I’ve ever had

[sturdy kernel]

I played every Halo campaign, so can't truly say, but maybe infinite campaign

[fringe juniper]

I dislike 2 solely because of sniper jackals

I think my favorite is between CE and 3

Probably fully CE once the remake drops

[faint tinsel]

Anyone else having issues with halo infinite ? Saying unable to connect to online servers or multiplayer

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[ashen rune]

laso halo 2 sounds like hell

[fringe juniper]

And I have to do that eventually

Some time in the next 10 years

Only LASO I’ve completed is infinites and that’s the easiest thing in existence

[still osprey]

Im on the library on ce laso, so far only have completed reach

[low blaze]

I just realized promethean enemies in halo 4 have ranks like the covenant but they all look so similar that its impossible to tell the ranks apart

[low blaze]

The covenant in halo 4 are also like this though

[low blaze]

If I didnt already know there were different ranks for enemies because of the other games I would not have figured out that there were red elites

[glass cradle]

Halo 3 for me

[solid canopy]

I never had much of a problem with this tbh. They always had big spikes or rings around them to denote status. Iirc this was kind of a band-aid solution though because the team was running out of time

Actually that last bit goes for both the Forerunner weapons and Watcher.

The Forerunner weapons were going to be a lot more esoteric and unique, but play testers got confused or just decided to go use the weapons they already knew

The issues with the Watcher were pretty well known- playtesters even gave it a nickname that I can't say here- but the team just didn't have the time to get them tweaked to perfection and had to ship as was

[onyx latch]

Eh, the ones in 5 have more of a 'ranking' than the ones in 4. The ones in 4 are more of "roles".

There's a secondary ranking structure in Warzone where there are different strength tiers.

[solid canopy]

Yeah, the ones in 4 were there to primaraly denote what weapons they had (Circles had snipers, spikes had scattershots, stripes had canons)

I really wish they leaned more into that one piece of concept art from Robogabo were the Knights each had more specifc body types for their rank

https://halo.wiki.gallery/images/thumb/8/84/H5G_Promethean_NewClasses_Concept_1.jpg/1280px-H5G_Promethean_NewClasses_Concept_1.jpg

I really dig the Sniper specifically

[brittle void]

Yeah They tried to make each knight discernible but nothing beat having a straight up different colour. Way easier to notice in the heat of the battle.

[solid canopy]

The commander is a little much though (and reminds me of the Hunter/Gollath)

I think H5's promtheans were both an improvement and a downgrade

The heavier feel of them paired with the distructable armor and the additon of the Soliders and Phaeton were great

[brittle void]

Never played 5 but having the soldiers serve as an unit between the crawlers and knights in term of power is a pretty decent way to go.

[solid canopy]

But the Crawlers and Watchers got heavily nerfed, Knights just filled the spot of Hunters, and H5's enemy encounters can be tedious

[wooden briar]

For gameplay though, nerfing the Watchers particularly was welcome: too much time in 4 was spent doing the Order of Targets and taking down Watchers.

[solid canopy]

Its the opposite issue of 4 imo

In 5 they don't really make much of an impression. Sure they aren't reviving Knights and the like, but they also aren't doing much in place of that

Or at least the game never really makes you feel any weight of their actions beyond the occasional shield. Part of this issue is just how overwhealming 5's fights wound up being to compensate for Squad mechanics and Warzone

Lost that feeling of zen previous games had with their tightly focused encounters with very direct readable enemies.

Granted, this was a trend that began in Halo Reach, but 5 is the most blatent offender

Didn't help that a lot of enemy behavors or statuses got changed or downgraded within 5. (Granted, I imagine the downgraded bit was not intentional)

A lot of these changes really stem from Halo 5's big issue of wanting to be a squad-based shooter but also meet the expectations of a mainline Halo game

[coarse dagger]

@steep nymph we don't allow political discussion here per our server rules

[covert hornet]

I just love to see it. I came across a post on Instagram trying to spread misinformation about the new CE, and the entire comment section was full of people saying they’re fed up with all the unnecessary hate toward Halo games. Everyone’s just excited and can’t wait to play the upcoming CE

It seems the Halo community is healing :DDDD

[left snow]

I have noticed the last few days there is a tide of change.

A lot of posts / vids are being generally more positive.

On Reddit the positive posts are receiving a lot more upvotes.

[covert hornet]

Yeah, hopefully things stay in the direction of positivity. Im very happy to see it

[steep nymph]

Mainly because no one wants “the powers that be” ruin a enjoyable videogame franchise

[covert hornet]

I bloody knew it. A couple months back I was talking to a bunch of people telling them that we're coming up to a turning point for halo where things will turn out fine and it's close

This is it seems

This genuinely made my night ngl

[steep nymph]

Too bad we currently live in this reality

[left snow]

Once the dust settled people started to realise that most of the complaints were either unreasonable or nit-picking.

There are some genuine concerns of course. But there is also 12 months of feedback and development to go.

It's not the project I am looking forward to (bring on Halo 7 / Multiplayer) - but any new Halo is good.

[steep nymph]

Not every halo game is legitimately good. No need to sugar coat it

[covert hornet]

Well said

[left snow]

Every game has it's pros and cons. The problem comes when you stop talking about the shades of grey.

[steep nymph]

Halo peaked for me with ODST videogame. It never got better than that in my opinion. Too bad they never tried to go towards that direction again.

Prove me wrong

[left snow]

Yep. I really enjoyed that game. It deserved to be explored more.

[covert hornet]

I really hope we do get another ODST game

[steep nymph]

Never going to happen at this point. I’ll never understand why they did sequels for other halo spinoffs that isn’t good to begin with.
Like Halo Wars

[left snow]

My hope is that they take the new CE game - and add other games to it. Halo 2 and 3 first. Mission by mission. And end up with a new multi-platform Master Chief Collection.

There is no reason they couldn't add ODST into that format. The original games and maybe even brand new missions.

[steep nymph]

Rather have a new game rather than a remastered version that isn’t a good remake

[covert hornet]

And have a long term multiplayer game on it too would be amazing thats supported for many years

[steep nymph]

Cause that game doesn’t need a remaster

[left snow]

Some games will need less touching up.

But Halo going forward is going to be multiplatform and using the new hybrid engine.

It seems a gimme that Halo 2 and Halo 3 are brought over (if CE is successful). So that PS5 owners can finish the fight.

I also expect Halo Infinite at some stage - so that Halo 7 can be multiplatform.

And whatever Multiplayer game comes next.

It would be a shame if ODST is lost in that process. Especially if they don't need to do a lot in the conversion.

[wind birch]

A Halo 2 and Halo 3 Remastr clearly shows to me that 343 is out of ideas. nobdy wants these games to be remade. We just want a new and feature complete Halo game, something they've never delivered on.

[steep nymph]

1. Switch1&2 definitely won’t handle halo games well especially something like that.

2. Hopefully releasing in PS4 and PS5(hopefully not just ps5, otherwise they really want low expected sales)

3. You can play halo on pc currently so at the end of the day, they would need to add alot of new stuff even tho all of those stuff won’t be convertible enough for switch1&2

The show sucked so nah

It was infinitely better when they did animations instead of the live action laziness

[left snow]

I assume it's largely driven by Xbox going multi-platform. ie. Playstation.

And I thought the community had been crying out for a Halo 3 Anniversary.

[wind birch]

They never listened to the playerbase.

[glass cradle]

Lowkey they should reboot the show imo

[wind birch]

Then port MCC. I don't want a Halo remake that ruins the artstyle

[steep nymph]

Lowkey, they should kill the show and just make a animated show instead

[left snow]

I was surprised when the new CE game wasn't being pitched towards the Switch 2.

[steep nymph]

Idk why it is so hard to make a animated show similar to halo legends -.- (it isn’t hard)

[glass cradle]

yeah that as a reboot, with a completely different story

[steep nymph]

^

[steep nymph]

Because switch2 console sales are horrendous compared to switch1’s 1st year sales.

Switch2 only sold 5 million and half currently worldwide while switch1’s console sales on the 1st year was over 17 million worldwide

[left snow]

I imagine MCC would be a nightmare to port.

Personally I love the artstyle of Infinite and the new CE game. I'd be very keen to see the whole trilogy in a consistent frame.

Less enthusiastic fans will always have the originals and MCC to keep them happy.

But those games are a very hard sell to a young and new market who have no nostalgia to bind them to that era of graphics and game play.

[wind birch]

It's not hard to port at all.

[winged hazel]

i think the switch 2 definitely could. only caveat is that the console and everything for it are way overpriced.

[steep nymph]

Switch2 is a slow bad burn

Nintendo currently just ignoring the low switch2 sales as a long term coping

[glass cradle]

yeah I don't see any reason for it to be on Switch 2. It won't run well and will probably just be on gamekey card which will tank it's sales

[steep nymph]

Switch2’s fate will end up as wiiU

[glass cradle]

Just play on steam deck if you want portable halo

[steep nymph]

Clear as day

[wind birch]

You can't please anyone whe you against what Made Halo so great by removing mechanics that so many people care about. Releasing Halo 3 with sprint, no MP, no social features, etc. They just don't care

[steep nymph]

Simply ain’t worth the investment and headache with Nintendo

[low blaze]

When does the prologue in halo 4 with all the spartans take place?? Im pretty sure its supposed to be like way before halo 4 but theyre all wearing the halo 4 armor

[glass cradle]

yeah i literally have a switch 2 and i don't think they should go through the trouble of porting it.

[steep nymph]

Too bad you got tricked into getting a switch2.

[low blaze]

How much storage space does the switch 2 have?

[left snow]

No, they can't please everyone.

I'm OK with sprint. It was done very well in Infinite. And you can toggle it off in the new CE.

As for multiplayer - I think we're expecting a separate game. Either stand alone or attached to Halo 7.

This is the bit I'm keen to see / hear about.

[glass cradle]

i mean, I got it for the 1st party games which are fun on there. Just need Prime 4 to come out and then I think it'll be worth it somewhat

[low blaze]

The only thing I can see them putting on switch 2 is mcc but there might not even be enough storage for that

[glass cradle]

There's definitely enough storage for it

[wind birch]

I'm not OK with sprint because I actually care about what made Halo fun. Sprint in Halo is not defensible.

[steep nymph]

Just play it on switch1
Seriously switch2 will never be worth it until ALOT of fantastic games gets made exclusively for switch2. Similar to PS3’s strategy.
BUT Nintendo isn’t that smart so that will never happen

[glass cradle]

OG switch runs games really poorly, and that's a dealbreaker for me

Especially in an FPS like Prime 4

[steep nymph]

Nintendo always 🔩 themselves over with greed and bad qualities

[steep nymph]

It only runs badly for third party ports.

Metroid Prime 4 isn’t a port nor third party

[glass cradle]

bro have you seen how bad BOTW and TOTK run on there? They drop to 15 fps constantly

[coarse dagger]

Switch 2 doubled the Switch 1s first month sales, from what I'm reading. Switch 1 had 10mil in first year, we're only what, 5 months since Switch 2 launch? Still time and the holiday are coming up

[steep nymph]

BOTW was made for switch1
Even tho it was originally developed for wiiU. That ran worst lol.

TOTK ran fine, it wasn’t a fast pace game unlike other LOZ at the end of the day

[steep nymph]

It only doubled it on the 1st month BECAUSE OF PREORDERS -.- which is honestly cheating but whatever

Anyways the sales truly died out quickly after that 1st month

[glass cradle]

I can tell you from expierience TOTK did not run fine. Whenever you used an ability like Ultrahand or Recall, the performance would tank really hard. Whenever it would rain, whenever you were in the towns, whenever there was a battle with NPCs, There's video evidence of this. 15 fps is not acceptable for a 70 dollar Zelda game

[steep nymph]

Tell that to mainline pokemon games since black&white

The newest one looks horrendously bad.

[steep nymph]

Look it up, the first year total console sales of switch1 was over 17 million worldwide.
Compared to switch2’s 5 month sales it’s telling it won’t go well

Even pokemon won’t save switch2 this year

Do let me know when Nintendo stops repeating their mistakes that causes their console to flop.
here’s a couple of failed consoles
N64
GameCube
WiiU
time will tell for switch2

[left snow]

It shouldn't stress you out then - there is a toggle to switch it off in the new game(s).

But Sprint is easily defensible. Once you appreciate how it changes the way the game is played - map control vs map movement - you then accept that what is "fun" is purely subjective.

The tricky part is what mechanics are best suited to taking the game to a new generation of players. Or more cynically, what part of that market is more profitable.

[tulip tusk]

🪤

[viral verge]

I have a blanket fix for sprint in halo, make it off by default and give you the option to turn it on

Also how many people would have an issue if they took away the sprint animation and just made you move faster, can still shoot and play as normal, similar to the new doom

[left snow]

Doesn't make sense to have it off by default - especially as you have to have a button reserved to activate it.

But a toggle off is an awesome "olive branch" to OG / classic fans.

[viral verge]

Like as an OG in halo playing all the games except combat evolved on release. I’ve always wanted sprint, tbh I’d rather see them make it so controller players can increase their sensitivity more than 10

[left snow]

I guess? But don't the new Doom games play at a relatively insane speed to Halo? I don't know how many classic fans would want to play quite that quickly.

[left snow]

Personally I need a low sensitivity. I'm too old and slow to play higher 🙂

But yes - there should be options to go higher. For that those that want it. Like in the older games.

You just have to appreciate that it may not be the experience you are looking for - given that aim assist is different across games.

[viral verge]

I mean I think outside of the grappling in halo infinite the movement was nice, I think if halo went back to the “halo 3” equipment system the game would be more fun. The equipment would feel more impactful. I see a lot of people saying oh I hope they don’t change too much, when honestly I don’t mind if they throw curveballs in the new remakes of the halo series. I’d love to see more Easter eggs, maybe bring back the halo 3 style terminals. Build up on lore that’s only in books and not in game. The halo universe could be so much more.

[winged hazel]

i've found halo 1 to be pretty fast paced at times, although that's kind of assuming you frequently charge into clusters of enemies with an assault rifle or similar weapon

[left snow]

Is there any other way to play?

[viral verge]

I just can’t wait to kill marines with the needler rifle

[left snow]

The new game looks like it has a "use equipment" button. So we're probably getting a Halo Infinite type of equipment use.

Whatever way they go - I imagine they will try and be more consistent across the games.

They don't want to confuse the newer players.

[viral verge]

You know how halo 3 let you carry 1 equipment item and they could feel crazy impactful, like having the bubble shield when your own shields are in the red, or the regenerator. Those moments you get the shock ball thing, and you take down the brute Chieftans shield with it, or when you throw down a deployable cover and shoot through it with human weapons. The feeling of a ghost coming at you and throwing a trip mine, man those equipment just felt satisfying

[left snow]

I loved the Bubble Shield. My favourite equipment of all time.

[low blaze]

Is there a lore reason halo 3 is so peak

[gritty holly]

Decent gameplay design, aside from a good chunk of the enemies sharing the same armor color

[distant mulch]

Since Brutes hardly differ in health and shield points, the ranks don't matter as much really

A shame really, would be nice to have more distinct ranks for Brutes than just blue common Brutes for most of the game

[distant vine]

Hi Spartans!

[solid canopy]

The benifit of being able to smooth out the issues and shortcomings of the past games?

I think Halo 3 made a mistake not giving the Brutes something to do in the story

Especially after 2.

I occasionally wonder if it'd be better if Tartarus survived Halo 2 and was there in Halo 3 to give the Brutes more presence in the narrative. Granted I also think that could've run the risk of making the story too bloated/2's ending even more abrupt.

[short flower]

I feel like they should put the mark v chief with the sword as a stance for infinite. For now the closest you’ll get is steppin’ razor.

like what’s in my pfp they should make that a stance. Would be sick.

[ashen rune]

tbf they just became the dominant fighting force

[left snow]

Just reading some Reddit posts where an old Bungie dev and a bunch of disgruntled fans were angry that HS removed rocks in the demo that blocked a warthog driving up to a couple of Hunters.

Some funny posts later that; a) everyone used to try and glitch the warthog past the rocks anyway - and b) it was actually harder to kill the Hunters with the Hog - whereas they were a one shot tap with the CE pistol!

[distant mulch]

Even without the pistol, Hunters in CE aren't all that threatening

You can effectively stunlock them with melee and running a circle around them. And the shotgun in the 2nd half of the game more or less one hit kills them with a well placed shot anyways

[paper estuary]

For you all fans, does Halo help convince you to sign up for the military in your country? If so, why?

And another follow up question. What makes halo change your life

[onyx latch]

Halo has done active work with the US Military in order to promote joining before.

I kind of hope they stop given current events.

[onyx latch]

The boundless frustration that comes with dealing with confidently incorrect people.

[left snow]

Nope. I would have been too old anyway. But I don't really think of Halo and joining the military. I guess it's too far into the future and you are fighting aliens. I don't really think of it like Battlefield or COD type military games.

[left snow]

So many good times with friends. And now it's time with my (adult) kids who have moved interstate. We still do weekly customs and chats.

[covert hornet]

Nope. No game, video, or speech will convince me to join the military

[crystal iron]

Wow halo 2 on heroic is for real men 😳

[covert hornet]

It makes me feel genuinely happy and fully immersed. And it helps me connect with friends, escape worries, and give me moments I’ll always remember. Its the only franchise that I find myself at home and no other franchise has given me the same thing btw

Despite the setbacks that this franchise has had, I'll always continue to love it

[patent acorn]

I've decided to make myself hate life and play mcc multilayer (which I'm like....at least 10 plus years out of experience next to most people still playing) so far cant even find a match

Damn...btb is dead rn?

[glacial tartan]

What are you searching? But yeah wouldnt surprise me most btb is searched midday to evenings, early morning est probably slower

[patent acorn]

Every game modes on every game

[glacial tartan]

Probably just time of day then. Can you find games in 4s?

[patent acorn]

Playing a ce match rn

[glacial tartan]

Good, means its not some wider issue 😄

[patent acorn]

My butt was kicked. And now h2

[icy spindle]

Yeah that's the typical CE experience lmao

[twin relic]

Is it just me or are CE jackals really hard to fight?

I can’t shoot their hands very easily. On my legendary playthrough they were worse than elites

[dense ice]

With the confirmed remake and the reported remake, I’d really like the option to remove the old versions from MCC and add the remakes instead. Having all the remakes be standalone would make MCC irrelevant imo.

[civic sundial]

I don't think they'll be replacing the versions of the old games within MCC with new versions

Like, that would cause allot of people to be upset

Not to mention how MCC makes the old games easy to play, it'd be a terrible thing to suddenly change that

[fresh cargo]

DM me if you’re trying to squad up

[covert hornet]

check the looking for group section

[covert hornet]

I think I understand Halo Studios pattern in game development

It might go like this

I think they're going to do one game of remake, and then the continuation of the storyline, and then another remake, and after that we get a game that continues the storyline, and it goes back and forth, back and forth until its time to stop

and maybe somewhere between that we get a game like ODST, Halo Wars, a story about a spartan team, etc

[dense ice]

I just don’t want MCC to be abandoned because I like the structure of it. I get for the new games that it doesn’t work but at least give it the remakes.

[covert hornet]

Or they might make a similiar launcher and only do a total of 3 remakes all the way from Halo 1-3, a proper trilogy

now that I think about it, another launcher like MCC is highly unlikely to happen again but the idea of a trilogy is possible

[glad dome]

It is unlikely, however it would be extremely efficient and very convenient.

But I wouldn't count on it

[dense ice]

That would be fine. I honestly want Reach and ODST remade. They’ve been around long enough. The last 3 are modern enough

[covert hornet]

Id prefer having reach and old ODST left alone, but make a new ODST game which features entirely new missions with new characters

[west rock]

I'm wondering how the BR is gonna fit into the CE remake considering it was intended to be a less overpowered alternative to the pocket sniper that was the CE magnum

Because the CE magnum still seems strong despite the sound design being really weak for it

Seriously someone PLEASE ask staff to beef up the sounds for the guns.

[onyx latch]

I doubt the Magnum in the remake is going to be an OP cannon.

It'll likely be more in line with 5's magnum or Infinite's Sidekick.

[west rock]

It still made pretty easy work of the Hunters in the gameplay reveal

It doesnt one shot anymore but it still took them down in about 3 to 4 shots

[onyx latch]

Hmn.

I feel like that might say more about how relatively fragile Hunters are in CECE.

[west rock]

It has to do with how hitzones were handled in CE

For the original hunters the exposed portion of their back counted as the "head"

[onyx latch]

I'm well aware.

I'm saying they might be exceptionally fragile in the remake compared to the rest of the franchise.

[west rock]

Im assuming that was corrected in the remake considering the magnum no longer one shots

the sniper rifle still may though

[onyx latch]

Contrary to my dislike of the OT I'm pretty aware of their mechanics lmao

[west rock]

The remake doesnt look bad but it just needs fixes imo. It has the potential to be REALLY good if the dev team doubles down on what made the original so memorable.

[onyx latch]

I mean, what made the original memorable was coming out on console and combining a few tried and true concepts.

[west rock]

A bit more than that, even to this day the art style and graphics hold up shockingly well considering the limitations of consoles and video game development at the time

[onyx latch]

Kinda hard to achieve that with a remake in 2025.

[onyx latch]

Again, hardly exceptional.

It's kinda funny how much CE cribbed from Unreal tbh

[west rock]

I personally hope they make some minor art style changes.

[covert hornet]

Im hoping to see some volumetric lighting in the game as well

[west rock]

Pop culture and aesthetics from the early 2000's have been making a comeback and I'd love to see a new gen of people introduced to that metalheart and chromecore look that inspired CE.

[onyx latch]

They really haven't though.

[west rock]

They actually have, I'm seeing a lot of remnants of Y2K fashion and culture returning now.

[onyx latch]

I'm seeing a lot more 2008 in terms of culture right now. And economy.

[west rock]

Really? Because I'm seeing inflatable furniture being sold in stores again and that was VERY early 2000s

Not to mention stuff like low rise jeans and crop tops are back in full force now

[onyx latch]

Crop tops literally never left.

People like midriffs.

[west rock]

Heck im noticing more chrome finish on stuff being sold now too

And slapping chrome onto everything was literally the most remembered part of that Y2K boom

[onyx latch]

That also never left.

[covert hornet]

They've always been around but you tend see some stuff become common in specific areas of the world and some go rare if that makes sense

[onyx latch]

If that sort of thing is returning it does explain why I'm full of an utter seething hatred for any of it.

Like, if you were in a bubble, the aughts were a lovely time! Such as if you were a child!

[west rock]

Not sure why you hate a pretty tame aesthetic but go off I guess.

Either way I think some elements of the classic art style being focused on more in this remake could elevate it from a good game to a great game.

[onyx latch]

It's more what it represents and why.

It's like why I loathe South Park off of cultural impact, not actual content.

[west rock]

I mean I could also boil down what an aesthetic represents to be only the worst parts of that time period as well. But I choose not to.

[onyx latch]

Nostalgia's a dangerous drug.

[west rock]

Cynicism is also just as lethal

[onyx latch]

It's not cynicism.

The reason I hate South Park is literally because it is cynical.

[west rock]

It's not cynical, it's satirical.

[onyx latch]

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

Knock-off effects are what led to the rise of cynical "Sincerity is cringe" culture that led to a lot of the incredible toxicity of today.

Obviously, and I'm annoyed that I already feel like I have to say, it's not just South Park that led to that.

[west rock]

That lead from everyone overdosing on irony.

Nobody could be sincere because it was seen as "cringe" because everyone was hiding behind 15 different layers of "irony"

[onyx latch]

Yes, that is literally part of what I am saying.

[west rock]

So then the problem is the growing excess of apathy and sarcasm

Something South Park is not only not responsible for, but also made fun of as well.

[onyx latch]

No, South Park is heavily responsible for it.

There's a reason Cartman is usually the most popular character of the show.

[west rock]

There's an entire mini-arc about one of the main characters suffering from a condition that a doctor told him is called "Being a cynical asshole"

[onyx latch]

Yeah, I'm fully aware.

[west rock]

Fun fact that's actually Butters or Kenny.

[onyx latch]

Just because you acknowledge something you are also part of, does not absolve you of it. It's like making a joke about sewer levels while in a sewer level.

[west rock]

Cartman is a character who only works as a foil to other characters and usually any story that focuses on him ends with him getting comeuppance in some way.

The only times where he flat out wins is against someone who is objectively worse than he is.

[onyx latch]

Again, I am very much aware.

[west rock]

But we're getting too far removed from Halo.

The more positive aspects of the early 2000s helped shape what the original CE became, and even parts of the 90s as well.

The Elites were heavily influenced by both Alien and Neon Genesis Evangelion

[onyx latch]

My point is that a lot of people lack the actual media literacy to intuit the point of themes and will usually draw really awful conclusions or utter nonsense from a plot that is ostensibly the opposite of what they believe.

Like how people think that Halo's universe promotes certain religions.

[west rock]

I think that's people confusing a story with heavy religious themes to an endorsement of real world religion.

[onyx latch]

Yes.

[west rock]

And unfortunately

People will always misinterpret a story, no matter how clear and concise the actual message is.

[onyx latch]

I know.

[west rock]

It's why the "media literacy" crowd is often ironically enough, the ones completely lacking in it.

[onyx latch]

I'm a polsci major, I'm very aware lmao

Like, people get really down really stupid holes with misunderstanding plot points.

From flatly misunderstanding why Cortana made a face-heel turn in 5 to completely bricking when presented with the fact the entire point of the Mantle of Responsibility is something that needs to be rejected.

[west rock]

The Covenant are basically one gigantic criticism against religious extremism.

And part of what made that so endearing was the major plot twist that was set up in Contact Harvest that Humans were the very gods that the Covenant worshipped.

And in that moment, the idea of their movement itself became more important than their faith.

They ordered an extermination of the very beings their own religion dictated they should worship

[onyx latch]

I mean, that's still true, so.

But that also falls back to the Mantle being bad.

[west rock]

It is but I feel that the idea of Forerunners being a seperate race from ancient humanity rather than actually being ancient humanity muddles that beauty.

[onyx latch]

I don't really care and I'm tired of relitigating that stupid argument.

There's millions of better things to talk about regarding Halo than reviving a dead horse just to beat it again.

[west rock]

And I never liked the inclusion of a concept such as "The Mantle of Responsibility"

It was such a stupid addition to the lore.

[onyx latch]

Nah.

The stupid thing is people thinking in line with the Forerunners that Humanity should attain it when the literal reason the Forerunners killed the Precursors was because they wanted it more than Humanity did. The same Humanity that was engaged in something more in line with the Concert of Worlds that, ironically, Thel Vadam would be championing Eons later.

The mantle further being a concept, not an actual physical item, adds to it.

It's literally just admitting you're a species supremacist, and that everyone else deserves to be under your boot for not being 'evolved enough'.

Which, considering Halsey's own personal beliefs, it makes perfect sense that Cortana would somehow think that's a good thing, considering Halsey's own rhetoric regarding Spartans being the "Next step in Human Evolution" and "Win at all costs".

[west rock]

Halsey was never meant to be this moral paragon, even classic lore paints her to be morally grey at best and manipulative and borderline sociopathic at worst.

[onyx latch]

She wasn't, but people think Cortana was.

[rotund zenith]

its the forerunners burden

[onyx latch]

The uh. Literal clone of Halsey's brain that helps her with cybercrime.

Goes to show you that proximity can breed some seriously warped perspectives.

[west rock]

Cortana's involvement in the plot of 5 was borderline character assassination.

[onyx latch]

People say this but in practice it's really not lmao

Like, not even definitionally in the personal attack or literal story sense

[west rock]

The idea of Cortana being a villain was tossed around before but rejected during the classic era of Halo because it was seen as stupid and cliche

"AI attains true sentience and immediately tries to destroy everyone"

[onyx latch]

Damn, I kinda don't care.

The way and reason they did it in 5 was unique enough that it avoids cliche.

[west rock]

It really wasnt

[onyx latch]

Eh, I mean, you're fundamentally stating something she expressly was not doing, so I don't know what you're going on about.

[west rock]

"Let me reinterpret my original directives in the most extreme way possible and subjugate the entire living universe under my heel while claiming to "protect" everyone."

[onyx latch]

Clone. Of. Halsey.

[west rock]

Funny

Considering she was still a clone of Halsey before 5 and mostly acted selflessly.

[onyx latch]

Because that is literally how Halsey thinks.

Like, this is not inconsistent if you actually pay attention to Halsey lmao

[west rock]

Then why the need for the copout of "Oh the Domain's influence corrupted Cortana"

[onyx latch]

Halsey is a selfless person in the worst way.

[onyx latch]

Do you know how Logic Plague works?

[west rock]

That's a fan theory im pretty sure.

[onyx latch]

It exaggerates existing traits via logical argument.

She was literally always capable of this. Halsey would do the exact same thing.

[west rock]

She was capable of it but never acted on it.

That's what set her apart from Halsey originally.

[onyx latch]

The same Halsey who consigned children to torture and death because of misunderstood findings, spent her entire career stealing info and sabotaging projects, tried to steal Spartans to save humanity at the last moment, because she was so sacrificial that she had to do everything.

The same Cortana who literally died to save Humanity because there was not a better option in sight. The same Cortana who willingly put herself in a position to be subjected to torture by the Gravemind. The same Cortana who helped Halsey to sabotage and infosteal. Because she agreed with Halsey.

[west rock]

Halsey isn't the type to make the sacrifice play. She's not selfless, she's selfish.

She only acts selfless when it benefits her.

[onyx latch]

And when Cortana was in a position to actually stop what she saw as a lack of control, a lack of order, she made the sacrifice of thousands of lives in an attempt to cement her own protection to all. The same reason Halsey made the Spartan IIs.