halo-discussion

[solemn portal]

Human guns and alien guns.

[vital badger]

thank you

[golden dune]

we fight only aliens

[cloud geyser]

Don't forget that cop in ODST

The halo "erm, actually ☝️🤓"

[golden dune]

Ha ha yeah forgot about that but in General it's aliens

[onyx latch]

Or the insurrectionists in Halo Wars 1.

[cloud geyser]

Or the space zombie hivemind

[rocky rampart]

this probably gets asked frequently but where in the halo 2 timeline is six hours after metropolis? asking because im curious to see where mombasa streets would be on a chronological playthrough

[rocky rampart]

tell that to the marines i killed in cold blood on the second mission of halo CE so i could complete it faster

[woeful mica]

Diet doomguy doing cool guy things

[prisma cipher]

Out of all of the things in the update the only thing i don't like is Banished Slayer, the strict SBMM feels more visible there and it gets worse since the UNSC team actually has the better weapons unlike the Banished team

[untold pendant]

Still don’t understand why we haven’t gotten the plasma rifle yet

[nova basalt]

It’s pretty simple, it wasn’t a priority then, and no animators to make it now

[untold pendant]

It’s just sad. That weapon arguably was a main staple to the enemy faction in every halo game in the main trilogy

[versed holly]

But hey we have the pulse carbine 🤮

How successful do you guys think a CE remake would be? I personally loathe the idea, because imho it makes the franchise stagnant, rather than go forward. Essentially a nostalgia bait

[onyx latch]

Eh, I like the Pulse Carbine.

[solid canopy]

Pulse Carbine is fine. The lock on is a bit iffy, but it can work when you need it to

Granted I also used to run laps around maps with a Boltshot in Halo 5, so maybe I'm just more equiped to use it

[woeful mica]

Im for it, UE5 is a phenomenal engine uniquely tailored for semi open world linear story/campaigns. Plus I like to imagine the CE:R (if made by Halo Studios and not Certain Affinity) is a way to test the waters and gauge reactions of the community before shipping Halo 7

Ever since the rebrand Infinite has had a pretty solid track record

[versed holly]

ahhh hadn't thought bout community reactions good point

[woeful mica]

But given that its a REMAKE and not a Remaster, im very curious to see what they do with the game. I hope that its just adding in cut content bungie couldnt make it in time or a new mechanic or two that would compliment CE. (Please for the love of god redesign The Library)

I just hope they leave the story untouched

I personally just aint a fan of making remakes/remasters of a specific game in franchise so id like to see all the Halo campaigns remade in UE5 save for like Wars but I also dont play RTS games so idk how yall would feel about that.

Financially I suppose itd be easy money for them to do so but I also have no idea who would willingly purchase Halo 5 again for the campaign unless if they completely remade it.

[versed holly]

Hol up, when did anybody say remake and not remaster?

[woeful mica]

Its a remake

Actually dont hold me to that

[versed holly]

man I do NOT like that D:

[woeful mica]

Lotta grape vine rumors n all that

[shadow turret]

Honestly I agree with this
I think they should just move forwards with the story, at the very least until they finish Infinite's arc, before doing other remake/spinoff games

Kinda to put it more simply, I don't think it should never happen, but I don't think it should happen for a while

[solid canopy]

I actually slightly disagree on the note of not changing the story. I do agree that they should keep all the major beats from the classic game around, it wouldn't hurt to add in some new details or pieces of lore from all the games and books to release after CE's launch

[woeful mica]

I meant the overall story of chief, my bad. If they wanna add extra details and whatnot im here for it!

[solid canopy]

I do agree that adding cut content from the Bungie game would be a great addition

Though I hesitate to want to include wildlife on the ring when Bungie (iirc) specifically removed it to make the reveal of the Flood more suprising/shocking

It probably won't happen but I would love to see Marcus Lehto return in some capacity. Whether its in an advisory role, a more major position, or just to get his face mapped onto Sargent Stacker's face

He's the series co-creator after all, and he has said he would be open to returning if they wanted him

[versed holly]

In infinite do boost timers continue even if you’re offline?

[shadow turret]

Yes

[versed holly]

Sigh of course it does

[crystal iron]

are there no servers in east asia for infinite???

I keep getting in 300 ping servers everytime I queue

[peak orbit]

Hey

[vague pewter]

Hi guys

[hallow bobcat]

Hi

[crystal iron]

middle east might do

[pallid brook]

ya'll think even if they make another halo game and its not a disaster, will people even care? like, the original spirit of halo is certainly dead and gone, but you think there's still a place for halos in the modern gaming day and age? 🤔

[onyx latch]

Considering a large part of the issue is that Halo fans utterly despise any attempt to drag the franchise's gameplay into the 21st century, it depends on whether or not they cater to fans with zero actual respect for the franchise.

In other words, they need to stop being the Harley Davidson of FPS games.

[nova basalt]

💯

[glacial tartan]

I would respect them more if they actually embraced going their own direction and did it without it being a total mess

Maybe in the next decade they'll figure it out

[onyx latch]

If they keep being the Harley Davidson of FPS games, and if they keep getting shafted by Microsoft as much as they are, they won't have a next decade.

[glacial tartan]

Yes nothing is their fault!

[onyx latch]

I literally just said something was their fault.

[glacial tartan]

The dang fans

[pallid brook]

idk, generally people liked the thrusters in halo 5, and like the grapple hook and stuff in infinite, so its not literally just people hate change. its just that 343 doesnt really care about halo and just wanna make the studio money and were just persuing things that were popular in gaming at the time, now halo basically has no room to stand because like, every other game already does what halo did well and halo doesnt do anything well now

halo was also a fairly mature game and 343 and ms are turning into a childrens IP

[onyx latch]

"343 doesn't really care about Halo"

It's impressive how the internet emboldens people to be so brazenly wrong.

[onyx latch]

Twice in a row, no less.

[pallid brook]

you saying the do care doesnt convince me

[pallid brook]

are you just a contrarian or do you have anything actually insightful to add rather than just say "ur soo wrong"

[onyx latch]

There's not a point to convincing you of the blatantly obvious, I can't logic you out of a position you didn't logic yourself into.

[pallid brook]

so youre just gonna tell me im wrong and offer literally nothing else, nice, epic input you really helped out the conversation by rage baiting me

[onyx latch]

If me responding to falsehoods by pointing them out as such is 'ragebaiting' you might want to take an anger management class.

[glacial tartan]

I disagree with the "they dont care" mindset. I think they care, I think they have a total lack of direction / development roadmap

[pallid brook]

well obviously ur not worth talking to if the only thing youre willing to say is "youre wrong the end"

[onyx latch]

I said more, you decided to ignore it. That's on you.

[glacial tartan]

Comes down to mismanagement on my end, whether you say thats Microsoft or Halo Studios driven, consumers dont care 😄

[nova basalt]

Funny, lots of people who try to defend ms end up with the “you aren’t worth talking to” treatment

[onyx latch]

And frankly, I doubt putting more effort into my response would actually change your mind if your default position is assuming that people who stuck with the franchise for over a decade don't actually care about the franchise.

[pallid brook]

yea i agree, dont really think itsd the devs ruining halo lol

[glacial tartan]

If every time someone logs into Infinite or MCC they have a black box login issue, at some point people are going to stop playing. Nobody cares if you have a support article on it

[pallid brook]

theyre literally just doing their job, ms literally created 343 to continue making halo games, every game they cycle thru tons of staff, its hardly ever the same team making a halo game these days LOL

[onyx latch]

Microsoft can do no wrong. It's clearly the studio's fault, they don't care despite... Making every single effort to care.

[onyx latch]

How convenient that you're here to tell those employees how they feel.

[pallid brook]

what if they did something crazy right.... like have a halo game that isnt about the master chief, wooah

like what if they did a super epic flood horror game that all the gamers have been asking for for like 12 years now, woaaah

[glacial tartan]

I cant even get an acknowledgement of a core gameplay issue for almost 6 months, thats where it breaks down for me personally. But most people will have much lower limits.

[nova basalt]

Meh, I don’t like horror games

[pallid brook]

thats is unfortunate

[glacial tartan]

Every time I bring a core issue to a community manager its either completely ignored or I'm told "well it works for me" which...most people will reject and move on and not play the game anymore.

[onyx latch]

No thanks. I'd rather have a Spartan IV XCOM Clone.

[nova basalt]

A horror game might alienate a chunk of the fan base

[pallid brook]

that would be cool tbh

halo is one of those IPs you can bend and twist it to tell any kind of story u want, but ms just kinda wastes that opporunity sadly

[onyx latch]

Oh, but that's not Microsoft's fault, despite them shooting down every suggestion at every 343 internal game jam including a Helldivers expy and a starfighter game.

:>

[pallid brook]

also they keep shooting for those pesky T ratings so any time a halo has a T rating theres not gonna be flood 😩

[pallid brook]

yea thats more my gripe, i said 343 but like its really just MS

or i guess its just Halo Studios now, but yea i get its not the actual dev teams making bad decisions lol

[glacial tartan]

A majority of a games playerbase do not care where in the chain it breaks down

[pallid brook]

well thats kinda the point too, it doesnt matter where the faults are because if nothing changes then it really doesnt matter whose at fault haha

[onyx latch]

Not a thing.

Halo consistently had Europe's equivelant of a T rating its entire run as a franchise, the US is just weird and Puritan.

[pallid brook]

dude that is totally true, halo was always a rated M game, now every game has to be T to appeal to a wider audience, otherwise i cant rationalize the disney-ification of halo

[onyx latch]

Again, older Halos were only rated M because it lacked granularity. It's not an indication of them trying to 'disneyify' anything.

[pallid brook]

well part of getting an M rating was the flood, the gore. thats LITERALLY a reason cited in the m ratings

[onyx latch]

Please actually look into rating systems.

That aren't solely in the US.

[pallid brook]

so thats why i say if theres a T rating there wont be any flood 🤷

[onyx latch]

There is literally flood in the T for Teen games.

[pallid brook]

in halo wars yea but they got around it because of how DLC and ratings work in tandem

[onyx latch]

And Infinite.

[pallid brook]

theres no flood in halo infinite bro lol

if youre talking about the handful of cosmetics thats cute

[onyx latch]

Guess I'm imagining the multiple suits of multiplayer cosmetics where the flood is clearly bursting out of the armor.

[pallid brook]

yea that obviously doesnt count lol

[onyx latch]

I mean, except that it does.

[pallid brook]

you really think were in like, debate club and we have to argue about literally everything

[onyx latch]

If you don't want to discuss, don't discuss.

[pallid brook]

is your ego that inflated, geez lol

[onyx latch]

No?

It's literally just acknowledging basic things.

[pallid brook]

alright here, ill satisfy your inflated ego, you win, i submit to your intellecual prowess

[nova basalt]

This is literally Halo Discussion, we discuss halo

[onyx latch]

Anyways Halo was 16+ in Europe for its entire runtime, even 5.

[pallid brook]

he doesnt want to discuss he wants to argue, about literally anything i say lol

[nova basalt]

And cool it pal

[glacial tartan]

I imagine the ESRB would care about how much screentime the gore in question has

[pallid brook]

thats the differece, hes making it a debate, or an argument whereas i just wanna have a normal discussion LOL

[nova basalt]

I can tell you’re mad, just take a breather

[onyx latch]

This is a normal discussion lmao

[glacial tartan]

If its just laying on the ground not interacting with the player, and you have to go out of your way to find it, its probably much less impactful than a corpse running and flailing at you

[pallid brook]

a normal person would say "ya know i take your point here but also" youre just literally saying "youre wrong because X" and thats it, like, thats not a discussion, your making it debate club

[nova basalt]

Is that bad?

[onyx latch]

At this point I'm sure 'normal' is screaming about being right despite all evidence to the contrary.

[glacial tartan]

Its up to them to decide what they engage with, their personality is what you're describing

[pallid brook]

well i dont wanna have a debate club lol, i dont wanna systematically break down every single minor point to prove im correct and hes wrong

like were just chattin about a video game, not that deep

[glacial tartan]

Similarly you could decide they arent worth engaging with

[pallid brook]

i mean i GUEEESS

[nova basalt]

Yeah you said that ten minutes ago, but kept going

[pallid brook]

what are you doing right now, by talking to me

[onyx latch]

But yeah, the age rating complaint for newer Halo games is moot. The ESRB lacks a sort of "Teen+" rating like Europe has in the 16+ rating, which Halo has been rated as for every single entry since Halo CE.

It's not something that can be consciously angled for by the actual studio as they don't really choose what the ESRB rates their game. They can put a finger on the scale on their end but it's ultimately entirely up to the granularity-lacking ESRB.

[glacial tartan]

If you point out a criticism of Halo Studios and the first response you receive reduces down to "its not Halo Studios, its Microsoft" or "its the fans" and there is nothing constructive whatsoever its probably not worth engaging

[onyx latch]

Again, tbf, I did say that it's a combination of all three.

[glacial tartan]

Yeah but if you were to put weights you'd HEAVILY weight the fans/microsoft to blame

[onyx latch]

I would, it's true.

[glacial tartan]

I'd guess 98/2

[onyx latch]

Not that heavily.

[pallid brook]

oh - yeah, i mean thats true LOL. i dont really see how the fans could possibly be the issue with the games, they dont have any input on how its made really

[onyx latch]

Fan response determines future direction.

[glacial tartan]

They fail at making games that maintain a lasting healthy playerbase. So until they figure that out and make changes, we will continue to see that on repeat

[pallid brook]

if ms makes a bad game and fans dont like it how would that be the fans fault 🤷

[nova basalt]

“We want more weapons, NOW!”->”these new weapons are bad and lazy!”

[pallid brook]

yea cause they keep trying to hit mass appeal, it seems to me

[onyx latch]

What the fans want could be bad for the franchise's growth, and catering to that want could lead to a studio making a bad decision.

[pallid brook]

i mean thats true, but i dont think many halo fans really think that way, i think they just want ms to produce what most would consider a good halo game

[onyx latch]

Halo moving away from mass appeal and catering exclusively to niche is part of why Infinite didn't have particularly notable success.

That niche being classic purism and competitive arena.

[pallid brook]

halo infinite was a step in the right direction, but like, idk man, they dont really seem like they know what made halo successful to begin with

[onyx latch]

The current 'right direction' for whom, is the question.

[pallid brook]

social features are all but gone in halos now

look at the custom games scene, its pretty much dead in infinite, and somewhat dead in MCC

despite infinite having some of the best forge features of any halo game

[onyx latch]

The very long delay in getting Forge out undoubtedly contributed.

[glacial tartan]

Hope they actually do what theyve continued to say each time

[pallid brook]

halo is majorly community driven, they seem aware of that, but i think its the CORE game that determines if people stay or leave and also the amount of time it took for infinite to get to its current state had the concurrent players bleeding out over time lol

[onyx latch]

That and the lack of progression features. Infinite more or less came out half-baked with none of the progression systems people wanted out of it.

[tulip tusk]

yea personally i just blame release state of game

[pallid brook]

thats also true, lot of major features were just not there

[onyx latch]

It had a battle pass, but still lacks commendations and the like.

[glacial tartan]

The last 30 ranks in MCC which takes YEARS to progress through are all identical 😄

[pallid brook]

a side note, all the forge assets look... very strange to me, like glossy?

[glacial tartan]

Also the XP counter breaks because I guess they didnt think anyone would get that high lmao

[pallid brook]

like you can immediately tell what is forge made and what is dev made, no?

not really a knock against anything, but just a thought

[glacial tartan]

They have no idea how to make an experience for a player that wants to throw thousands of hours at their games, in my experience 😄

[nova basalt]

I don’t even know if I’ve been alive for a thousand hours

[onyx latch]

I mean, part of the longevity of games like Battlefield, CoD, and Fortnite are the fact that the experience is very different each game to a noteworthy degree.

Halo Infinite's highest variance is the same map with slightly different weapon and vehicle spawns.

In BF and CoD, you can change your entire play experience by just changing a class; In Fortnite, every spawn is randomized and you can choose where you spawn.

[glacial tartan]

Part of the longevity of Fortnite is the companies responsiveness to issues and a cyclical plan that works and that they deliver on

[onyx latch]

That too.

[glacial tartan]

Playing Fortnite really sucks because I have to see how an actual AAA developer engages with their game / audience lmao

[onyx latch]

CoD has a similar boon, being 3 studios producing one game.

And all of them have massive asset sharing.

And each individual studio has over double the employees 343i has at its peak.

But yeah, I think implementing both more progression features/grindables as well as making the gameplay experience more varied would help a lot. Map remixes that go beyond just 'new weapon shows up on this plinth', for example.

[glacial tartan]

I dont know if Infinite suffers from it as well, but in MCC its obvious they do not know how to balance playlist weights

Little things like this stack up and drive people away and adding a vehicle/weapon isnt bringing them back

[onyx latch]

I used to disagree with lobbies being a thing but in hindsight, they should've never changed much from Reach.

I almost wonder if it was a reflexive response to multiplayer toxicity, which was at its peak during the development of 5 and Infinite.

[nova basalt]

Likely

[onyx latch]

I mean, I consistently run into Neo-Fascists in Infinite, at least once a day, so I'd rather gnaw a finger off than play with those clowns, but on the other hand, lobbies are useful.

[scenic ferry]

im not sure

im really having trouble with connection

im feeling really stupid

trying to fix it all

[pallid brook]

the basic MP is good but the stuff surrounding it like the BP progression and generally just cosmetic unlocks probably didnt help

took them like, 2+ years to add infection, like 4 for grifball

[scenic ferry]

IM OUT appologies idk when your getting to me either - -

[pallid brook]

my condolences

[scenic ferry]

steam and xbox are not jivin

[glacial tartan]

Infinite launched without a slayer only playlist, blame whoever you want but thats not Microsofts fault lol

[pallid brook]

whats funny is battlefield became unpopular for trying to radically change its forumla and now that theyre basically just making battlefield 4, 2, people are hyped asf

thats what halo needs. halo needs a return to forme, like an actual return to forme lol

[onyx latch]

The "Radical formula change" was releasing BF4 as a Pesudo-Hero Shooter.

[pallid brook]

omg yeah man that was horrible

and even once they reversed themselves, the damage was done LOL

[onyx latch]

5 and Infinite were both that in different ways.

Like, I'm not exactly sure how you can return to form from literally going back to the baseline of equal starts.

[pallid brook]

indeed, and i think halo 5 did a few things right, like honestly the map design was pretty good, compared to infinite where i dont even remember any of the maps at all. halo infinite has movement and the gunplay down pretty damn well and if thats the basis for halo going foward, honestly thats fine

[onyx latch]

Getting rid of sprint? Doesn't tend to endear people these days.

[pallid brook]

nah like just... more tight arena gameplay, having pick ups that arent as niche, like, the guns in infinte arent bad but a lot of them feel like they are super super specific use cases

BTB is good, i dont have any complaints really, for infinite

[onyx latch]

Halo Infinite's sandbox was literally made primarily by and for arena savants.

[glacial tartan]

To be fair they could just actually maintain MCC, a game they are still selling for $40, and keep that classic playerbase that way

[pallid brook]

the weapon pool just feels kinda... idk... underwhelming some how??? but a lot of guns that werent good, are good now

[onyx latch]

Like, the Sidekick's balance is literally built around the playstyle of Halo 5's gunfighter magnum.

[pallid brook]

ALSO they ruined the plasma pistol to empower the silly shock weapons 😭

[glacial tartan]

I think they need to bite the bullet and go the Bungie route and make their own Destiny 😄 (ba dum ts)

[pallid brook]

honestly, open-ish-world halo rpg wouldnt be the worst thing 🤔 lmao

[nova basalt]

Yeah that would be cool

[onyx latch]

Infinite's loss of guns and more challenging AI enemies with more varied attacks was a step down from 5.

[nova basalt]

In like new Mombasa or Venezia

[onyx latch]

Prometheans fighting the way they did provided an interesting challenge.

[pallid brook]

yea i didnt fw the prometheans but i could appreciate the additions to the sandbox, halo has always had compelling AI

[onyx latch]

Well, except for crawlers-they are honestly just annoying and boring for the most part.

[pallid brook]

like knights in halo 4 were so awful 🤢

[glacial tartan]

I agree this is a mistake. Halo 1/2/3's success in competition wasnt because they made the game FOR competition, its that there was a way for the playerbase to carve out a competitive gametype from the existing gameplay

[pallid brook]

the silly grunts that climb walls

[onyx latch]

If I were making a hypothetical Infinite 2, I'd add knights and combine all the strongest traits of 4/5 knights. Tanky, teleporting enemies that hit like a truck.

[pallid brook]

it appealed to comp players, because halo had its own unique style and also for non-comp players just tryna play for fun, as well as community based players, who love making maps and videos and taking silly screenshots to show off in the file browser 🥹

[onyx latch]

Why? Because I like my enemies horrifyingly dangerous.

[glacial tartan]

Yes, I would guess 95%+ (or higher) of players were strictly in social

[onyx latch]

I want tanky knights that teleport and use binary rifles to grease players across the map.

[pallid brook]

but like the only aspect of halo that has gotten love is the comp scene tbh, every game that drops they try to push the comp scene like Tom Taylor is still a big name in halo

like no one cares about halo e sports im sorry

[onyx latch]

I mildly do, tbh, but I think that it's overemphasized in terms of how they make the games.

Like, as much as I rag on Reach for killing competitive, it's also a symptom of Esports moving to games like CoD.

[pallid brook]

i concur 🧐 im also a competitive player, but trying to design the game around comp is just fruitless

like halo 3 was the most competitive halo ever was, and probably ever will be, even with reach and its arena, halo reach also had a lot of non-competitive mechanics like bloom 🤢

and armor lock 😭

[onyx latch]

No, no, Reach is the perfect special boy and never had any issues at all ever. How dare you be as un-Halo-Patriotic as saying Reach had issues.

[pallid brook]

erm ur right i was totally just joking :3c dont get me... reach is perfect 🥹

i actually think reach had the best halos story tbfh

[glacial tartan]

Have to separate campaign/multiplayer

[pallid brook]

halo 2 was hard asf, love the arbiter lore, but damn halo reach made me feel something

[onyx latch]

Oh no. I am not getting looped into talking about why Reach is still a bad campaign again.

[glacial tartan]

Reach had major problems, 343 unironically saved it w/ that initial TU

[onyx latch]

I've wasted too many hours complaining about that stupid campaign.

[pallid brook]

eh, halo 4 spartan ops was actually good imo

[onyx latch]

I have a love-hate relationship with the TU.

[pallid brook]

the tank mission isnt the best tank mission, but the flying mission is the best flying mission 🧐

and they also have a space mission!!!!!

[onyx latch]

Weapon handling? Good. Bleedthrough on everything? Horrible. Abhorrent. Awful.

[glacial tartan]

I played Reach more than almost anyone and now I cant stand it. So similar.

[pallid brook]

no i love that. whatsmore i love when i snipe someone, see blood come out, but no kill

[onyx latch]

I don't think there's a place for grenade bleedthrough with Reach's health system.

[pallid brook]

honestly one of reaches best mechanics, bloodshots 😌

[onyx latch]

Nah, not bloodshots, outright bleedthrough damage.

Like, the lost damage when a grenade goes off and breaks shields.

[pallid brook]

it didnt feel like it made the game better, but it felt more... interesting somehow

especially in invasion too when elites are the giga chads and regen health, love that

[glacial tartan]

Invasion not being playable in matchmaking anymore is a real miss

[pallid brook]

but yea stuff like that is why all the halo 3 stans despised reach

[pallid brook]

no way its gone, surely its still in mcc???

[glacial tartan]

Its in Ranked and the search parameters basically mean nobody can find games. Its dead

[onyx latch]

I never really cared much for Halo 3 either.

[pallid brook]

wow

[pallid brook]

WOW, halo 3 is the canon ending to halo how dare u 😡

[onyx latch]

Then again, I get accused of being a fake fan constantly for my favorite two Halos being 5 and Infinite, despite growing up with the damn franchise, so.

[pallid brook]

yea telling a halo stan u think halo 5 is one of the best is like a war crime

[onyx latch]

And 5 literally only gets second place due to lack of a PC port.

[glacial tartan]

As someone who doesnt like 4/5/Infinite I am also called a fake fan. Welcome to the line drawn by online losers

[pallid brook]

i thought halo 5 was too ez tbh, and the story was too all over the place

the bullet magnetism was so high u barely even had to aim

[glacial tartan]

Most of your normal not permanently online Halo players dont care they just want a good Halo game

[onyx latch]

It's nearly identical to Halo 3's magnetism.

[pallid brook]

dude naaaah

in halo 3 if u wanna snipe u have to actually click their head properly, not the shoulders, not the neck, the head. in 5 you could aim for shoulders, aim like 3 pixels off their head

it was BAD

i thought that one life mode was cool tho and the maps that they were played on

[pallid brook]

the twisted insane reality that ur actually right

i never noticed how bad it is in halo 3 💀 just watched a youtube vid on it. but i can see what the major difference and the issue being is, in halo 3 most of the actual useful guns are projectiles, in halo 5 its almost all hitscan

like, yeah theres big magnetism but you kinda would need it on a controller, shooting at someone like 50m away with a BR

[onyx latch]

Lmao

I mean yeah, kinda

[pallid brook]

most of the fights u get into in halo 3 are above 20m

halo 3 had no issue with having large maps even for small modes, because BR start was pretty typical

[onyx latch]

If it's the video I think it is, I think that guy tried to go peddle Crossfire X or something.

Maybe I should try to take his role and compare stats between Halo games and such.

[pallid brook]

but halo 5 its the reverse, u move a lot faster but most of the maps are tight, and like the TTK is also a lot lower than typical

[pallid brook]

was by a dude named "Aozolai"

[onyx latch]

Halo 5's average TTK is a bit faster because of most weapons being brought up to the BR's level of effectiveness.

[onyx latch]

Yeah he jumped off the deep end

[pallid brook]

the bane of my existence was the SAW, it was too good 😭

so good they had to remove it from halo LOL

[nova basalt]

Bring it back, it’s worth it

[scenic ferry]

im back

[untold pendant]

Cough cough the Answer was worse

[celest heron]

it was in two games so I'd guess different reasons cause weapons come and go.

[rotund zenith]

they should bring it back up to M and achieve the pegi18. give me some marines who swear like sailors and bring gibbing to the franchise. i want to reduce some poor unggoy to a soup-like homogenate and have some guy from australia react appropriately

actually now that i think about it you already can gib the flood to stop them from getting back up so theres already preccident in halo and its a near identical mechanic to quakes zombies

[rocky rampart]

so is the "thats just wrong" skull just broken for mcc cuz ive played the armory on legendary both with and without skulls and its not showing up

ive tried like 3 times without skulls on and 3 times with some skulls on

[solemn portal]

Did you wait for Johnson to say "Would it help if I said please?"

[rocky rampart]

ohhhh thats the trigger for it?????

thank you, this video i was watching got it completely wrong

[hybrid escarp]

Thoughts on the new mutilator sound?

[bright finch]

I’m trying to load up The Great Journey in H2 to get the toy. But it keeps placing me back in steam on the steam deck

[sharp scroll]

What’s yalls favourite halo game? Mine is probably Halo 3

[tame moth]

Halo 2 and infinite

[bright birch]

2

[polar kindle]

2

[somber cove]

2, 3, ODST, and infinite

[bright finch]

CE & 2

[hazy delta]

Dude I desperately want to play 5 again, unfortunately its for that reason I can't play it :[

I'd KILL for a PC port.

[crystal iron]

finnaly halo infinite gets some love

[bright finch]

Infinite was a nice twist on the franchise, but in the end just another open world game

The majority of OW games make the world way too big

[north grotto]

Hated halo 3s Cortana mission it was too hard for me on my second playthrough and I don’t know how I made it before

[sharp scroll]

True but besides that halo 3 was a great game

[celest heron]

kinda gotta just run past certain areas and then know a couple jumps to make certain parts faster

[sudden saffron]

https://open.spotify.com/track/4hB8J06D2ZaGkWZDOMpYZB?si=TAGAdNwZQEmjNFeSuTderg

This song uses a sampled audio of a man with a deep voice saying "3" and it sounds just like Jeff Steitzer imo, thoughts?

[solid canopy]

Iirc Bungie slapped the map together at the last moment. They didn't even have a proper map layout

[solid canopy]

ODST

And the final two levels of Halo 4

[rocky rampart]

has there ever been a LASO soundless run? i feel like it would be possible for CE since you can still see your gun and hud but for games with blind skull like reach and h2 it would be hell

i cant find anything online about it

[coarse dagger]

Would be cool, but it's not Jeff.

[sudden saffron]

lol I didn't even look at the age of the song

[coarse dagger]

Yeah, it was quite a while before Halo 😅

[sudden saffron]

tbf it sounds alot like him

[rare cove]

2022 was the last time i got to played invasion. MAKE INVASION GREAT AGAIN

[somber cove]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-halo-infinite-hello-halo-infinite-halo-infinite-blue-halo-infinite-blue-hello-gif-25164348

[blissful agate]

Allegedly it’s coming to infinite this year

[nova basalt]

Weak males? It’s literally a game about a stoic dude single handedly annihilating aliens

I don’t know where you got that impression lol

[uneven bison]

Daily anger about a non issue I see

[onyx latch]

"Girl bosses"? "Weak males"? Jesse, what the hell are you talking about?

[nova basalt]

Also, t bagging is GREATLY encouraged

[main iris]

@mild creek sybau twin,

[flint helm]

Yo what’s good everyone

[maiden mortar]

Guys, did they make the passes exclusive?

[maiden mortar]

Hi tsuki

[edgy forum]

How do people still believe that “Humans are Forerunners” crap conceived by Marty The Lamo? Imagine believing fiction for the past 20 years lol, makes no sense. Then again, nerds will believe in anything conservative like how Star Wars fans think that The Force is an abstract instead of being a Midichlorian count based on one’s blood cells or how sensitive they are to the Force.

Or how Star Trek fans believe in pseudoscience to justify how one can teleport from one location to another (whatever controversial retcon lore they have went through). Anyway, just wanted to point out these flaws.

[onyx latch]

Favoritism and bias.

[rotund zenith]

What do you mean by still believe? Are you referring to people who dont know the present canon that humans and forerunners are different species or are you saying that the early bungie work that had it unconfirmed one way or another and had drafts where humans and forerunners were the same are hoaxes made by bungies composer? If its the former then id say they probably didnt play 4 and haven't looked it up, 4 is the only game to actually show forerunners so someone who didnt play that and never dives into other media could easily get an impression that they could be the same, forerunner afterall is a human word made to refer to preceding humans. If its the latter shrug. If its the secret third option of people who entertain the possibility because its fun, let them have fun.

In the prequels when quigon is talking about midichlorians that is a explanation of the force but imo its one that is narratively designed to show the arrogance of the jedi order that helps frame their eventual tragic downfall. It is the truth that one organization believed and not necessarily the fact behind all of the force.
On the startrek one i dont get what the point is, suspension of disbelief is a pretty core part of all scifi and with how remarkably consistent trek has been with its technobabel since the 60s its not that suprising that the tech doesnt hold up to scrutiny. Wouldnt throw any real shade at halo for the unsc being stuck in the 90s and 00s conception of future tech

Oh that's longer than i hoped

[bright finch]

Why do I dislike prometheans so much!!!

[solemn portal]

It was the canon and it was strongly hinted in 2 Halo games.
Then 343i and Frankie came around and we got the nonsense that is the current canon.
Also, Humans are Forerunners.

[solid canopy]

I think the gold Sentinal Beam from Halo 2 might be the most forgotten weapon in the series.

[solid canopy]

Even then I hesitate to say that Bungie was still of that mindset in Halo 3. To quote somebody else in this server who put it far more eloquently- "Bungie was trying to figure how Forerunners were supposed to be human"

[sturdy kernel]

Humans IS NOT Forerunners
They Inheritors of their technology

[frosty condor]

We’re back in this again, eh?

[nova basalt]

Round and round we go, in an ever unbreaking circle

[final plaza]

Well bet, if big daddy Microsoft/ Xbox let us. A Helldivers like halo game because for some reason Microsoft cancelled it.
But how it would work is will have a team to work on updates every month like Helldivers 2. Also, it’s going to be on unreal_engine5. You’re going to play as an ODST and you will drop in from a from drop pod. Also, the hub will be the infinity, the enemy's will be The Covenant of course they will be there, another's will be Prometheans, the banished halo wars 2 version, United Rebel Front, and finally the FLOOD.
What mechanics will it have good question, it’s going to be M rated it will have blood, gore, swears, and more. It can be first person or third person in the options menu, there will be voice and text chat, cross play with Xbox and PC, also PlayStation if Microsoft wants that. The vehicles will be Warthog, Razorback, mongoose and gungoose, Rockethog, falcon, hornet and maybe some halo wars vehicles. The guns will be most of the halo 3 odst guns will a mix of halo infinite and, 3 new ones. Objectives destroy covenant or the factions I listen bases, there will also be defense missions with lots of enemies.
How would we make money back from this glad you asked? Yes, there will be customization kind of like halo 3 but, there will be paid ones like the halo infinite events we get every month for $5 dollars, the event passes will last forever the game will cost $30 to $50, $30 for standard $50 for deluxe with cool stuff. beta there will be playtest like halo infinite and had and battlefield labs but no NDA. If you buy the game, you get the beta early. Game dev's that made the game get an exclusive item like the blue flame or helmet; the players can get the helmet for doing something to unlock it. The game name is going to be called halo hell walker or something like that I don’t know. Estimated cost range $100 million to $300 million or more. I know this will never happen but hey there’s the idea.

[tulip tusk]

...october............eeeeeeee

[frigid spade]

I prefer to believe humanity being forerunner like how in assassins creed humanity is descendants of Adam and Eve which were the Isu they inevitably created humanity (please do correct me if I’m wrong my knowledge on both Halo and AC are kinda iffy as it’s been a while)

[celest heron]

the teleporter critisism is odd when just about all the tech is that.

[solid canopy]

Yeah, I'm not a die-hard Trek fan but so much of their tech leans way more into the "fiction" part of "Science-Fiction"

[wooden briar]

Well that was due to crazy props being a main a-Spock-t of the early show: had a lot of budgetary Tribbles before later series grew and viewership s-Pike-d, giving ST the revenue of a bigger entertainment Enterprise.

[solid canopy]

🥁

[rotund zenith]

hate you Attorney <3

[celest heron]

yeah, most stuff is plausible if you make it so.

[solid canopy]

It just has to make enough sense within its world

Sorta like the DNA Cloning in Jurassic Park

[bright finch]

Having run Reach only in coop and now finally finishing the solo legendary campaign, makes me realise how trash this game actually is 😂

[gloomy flare]

Are halos servers currently having problems because it's saying i don't have internet

[nova basalt]

If you don’t have internet that means YOU don’t have internet, nothing else is wrong

[fallow arch]

Fal chavamee

[plucky flicker]

What's your favourite Halo leitmotif (excluding Halo chant)? Mine is 'To Galaxy'.

[solid canopy]

The opening horns from 117

[plucky flicker]

You mean Master Chief's leitmotif?

[solid canopy]

Yeah

[plucky flicker]

The opening horns is a fragment. Typical for themes.

Infinity has its own leitmotif, it hasn't been widely recognised but it should be.

[solid canopy]

ODST also has some good stuff, hesitate to say which is specifically my favorite so I'll just go with the obvious "Saxaphone"

[plucky flicker]

Nice choice. Though I should say, that specific one is a musical idea, more close to a motif than a leitmotif.

[solid canopy]

I do not care for a lot of Marty O'Donnell's behavior, but damn did he do a killer job on that soundtrack. ODST's finale is so good

"We're The Desperate Mesaures" also completely sells the ODSTs as the best of the best and the grit and challange of their missions

[plucky flicker]

Neon Light!

[plucky flicker]

It's in Osiris Suite, Act 1. It's immediately following that high impact swell, carried by bold horns before transitioning to trumpet-led Osiris leitmotif.

[opal lotus]

What is the best halo game to start on if you are new to halo?

[solid canopy]

Very somber and very well made. It does carry a lot of the same DNA of some of the music from Halo 3 with the Piano

[plucky flicker]

Always. Combat. Evolved.

[solid canopy]

In my opinion start with Halo Combat Evolved with Classic graphics on

[opal lotus]

dam alr

[plucky flicker]

Classic graphics is the most important part!

[gloomy flare]

I did have internet

It was just saying i didn't

[plucky flicker]

Finish the Fight piano and brass could be considered a motif, not a leitmotif. 🤔

[solid canopy]

Halo CE holds up pretty well, despite some rough edges. The gameplay loop is flawless, the characters and story are engaging, and it has atmostphere to spare

[plucky flicker]

I am not much of a gamer, but I find myself gravitating towards CE — purely for tee sake of experiencing that atmosphere and music. The combat loop is addictive too.

Funny enough, that makes the opening mission in PoA one of my least favorite ones because I always rush to get to he ground, to Halo!

[solid canopy]

Yeah some of the level design falls short or the vehicle physics on the Warthog and Ghost can be a little floaty, but all in all- its a classic for a reason

honestly in terms of gameplay Halo 2 might've aged a little weaker but don't tell anyone I said that

[plucky flicker]

343, for all their reinvetions, hasn't changed much of Warthog physics, and I am not always a fan of the Warthog physics. Sometimes I feel like it can definitely benefit from being a little heavy.

[solid canopy]

I think the Warthog felt really good in 4 and 5

[plucky flicker]

It sort of did in Halo 4. Can't comment on Halo 5, since I haven't played that game.

[solid canopy]

Halo 2 also improved it a ton. Also H2 has the best vehicle destruction in the series for my money

[plucky flicker]

Talking about destruction, I think it's about time for Halo to integrate more destruction physics. Even if you don't want to go Battlefield route, splash of plasma — melting through rock and metal — would be really appreciated.

[solid canopy]

I appreciate Infinite putting focus on it again, but I feel the destruction is far too clean

[plucky flicker]

It is quite sterile. I like both the plasma splash and electric effects from them, only if they'd properly integrate them into one.

The one I hate with passion is frag grenade destruction in Infinite. It is almost text book sterile and relasitically plain wrong.

Grenades don't explode with huge smoke and fireballs. 🤦‍♂️

[tribal walrus]

Agreed

[solid canopy]

Also how vehicles get damaged is a bit less weighty imo. I always liked how Halo 2's vehicles would have chunks of them ripped out or damaged. Torn metal, electrics and plasma sputtering, the vehicle's apperance being warped from the heat of battle.
I'm not saying it isn't there in Halo Infinite, because it is. Its just not applied evenly/as apperant as in H2

[plucky flicker]

Halo Infinite is generally toy-like.

[solid canopy]

It varies imo

[plucky flicker]

Taking the CE's 'cover art aesthetics' to a next level, LOL.

[tribal walrus]

I wish they would’ve gone with Halo 3’s destruction, it was the best imo

[plucky flicker]

or Reach (?)

[tribal walrus]

Reach is right up there with it

[plucky flicker]

Honestly, the possibilities with Unreal are... Unreal.

[solid canopy]

I am not a programmer nor have I worked at 343i/HS, so I can only speak to what I've heard/seen, but I can understand why it looked that way. From what I've gathered the Slipspace Engine was a money pit running on Duct-Tape and a prayer as well as having to work on a system from 2013.

[plucky flicker]

It's known. Even Chris Matthews admitted it.

Oh, for fun, CE remake could benefit from having a 3rd person mode!

[solid canopy]

I'll admit that the foundry showcase, while visually nice, does make me a little worried about how a potential CE remake handles the landscapes of Alpha Halo

Ik I'm not the only person to say this but a lot of Halo CE's art direction did benifit from looking a bit more unnatural/alien.

[plucky flicker]

To be honest, I'm not really worried that much. Halo Infinite got it right in a modernised way. If they can do it once, they can do it again. Hoping they contract Isaac Hannaford again.

[solid canopy]

I would love to see Craig Mullins do work on the series again

[plucky flicker]

Oh, definitely. They should've hired him for nu-Marathon, but whatever, Bungie is over. 😒

[solid canopy]

I say that half as a Marathon fan and half as a fan of his artwork

[plucky flicker]

I said Isaac Hannaford because he got CE's aesthetic nailed but also modernised in that one classic soundtrack vinyl collection.

[solid canopy]

(This is what happens when your studio has an obsession with their legacy/self-image)

Ok granted thats like one problem, but its a problem thats existed in Bungie since like at least Halo CE

[plucky flicker]

Like, I'm in love with this: https://share.google/Jclkl2MqMbQBQvPN7

[plucky flicker]

Yep. Alongside leadership issues.

[solid canopy]

Jason Jones is somehow both "the genius mind behind Bungie" and also "the project lead who couldn't actually lead the project"

[plucky flicker]

His vision for the studio is like an ADHD induced kid. He doesn't want to make sequals, make completely new projects immediately after previous one's success.

[solid canopy]

Like hindsight is 20/20, but putting half the studio on a brand new project while the other half works on the highly anticipated sequel that isn't getting off the ground was not a great idea

[solid canopy]

Keep in mind that when Bungie was founded it was described as Alex Seropian being the "Buissness guy" and Jason Jones being the "Games Guy". I suspect that Alex Seropian leaving after Halo CE's release probably screwed with the company structure more than a little bit

[plucky flicker]

If Alex Seropion didn't feel like leaving and had invested on Bungie and Halo, we might still be getting Halo from Bungie.

[solid canopy]

Eh. Tbh I don't know if Bungie would have wanted that either way

I don't think many developers want to stay on the same thing forever and ever

[plucky flicker]

Dev turnover can happen. Still, there's a lot of Halo fans working at Bungie because they wanted to work with the studio that created Halo. There's always a market out there.

Joseph Staten, Martin O'Donnell often come across as ones who'd enjoy working on Halo always.

[solid canopy]

Eh

I'm not sure about Staten

He left Bungie and went back to Microsoft, he didn't seem to have any interest working on Halo beyond writing a novella and doing a few voice lines for Grunts in Halo 5. Which iirc Frank O'Conner personally asked him to write the novella. He only came back to Halo when Infinite's development was in free fall and they needed someone to fill in as lead, to which he left not too long after. I'm not saying he hates Halo or anything like that. Just that he doesn't seem as invested in going back

Staten is still a legend who has written some of the best stories in the series Halo 2 and ODST

[plucky flicker]

I'd say he's more laid back. If he's hired, he'd just do a perfectly fine job, methinks.

[solid canopy]

Marty? Yeah I think he wants to come back to Halo but I don't really think thats going to happen for a few reasons

[plucky flicker]

For few reasons of course...

I dreamt of them bring Michael Salvatori as sole sort of in-house producer, maybe filling a 'Studio Music Director' role. Alas, it looks like he has gone back to Destiny again.

[solid canopy]

General attitude and behavior online, him running for office again, him and Salvatori sueing Microsoft over unpaid royalties

[plucky flicker]

Yeah. Microsoft would be concerned about PR than anything else. I'm sure there are people in Microsoft with some questionable beliefs.

[solid canopy]

The one Bungie-era person I'd really like to see back working on the series is Marcus Lehto

Even if just in an advisory role it'd be nice.

The man co-created the series and does seem to still be very open to coming back if the chance was given

[plucky flicker]

His sort-of protoge is the Studio Art Director now.

[solid canopy]

Oh really? Thats cool

[plucky flicker]

It's a nice full circle. CE's Art Director is Marcus Lehto, and now CE remake Art Director would be Chris Mathews, who Co-founded and lead Ridgeline Games with Marcus Lehto!

[solid canopy]

Cool

[plucky flicker]

Lehto himself tweeted, approving of the choice.

[solid canopy]

I mean looking at his twitter page for the first time in ages..... it sure is a twitter page in the year 2025

[solid canopy]

Nice

Really cool to see a genuine passing of the torch from one series creative to the next

https://garrettpost.artstation.com/projects/eJd5YP

I so badly want Garrett Post to do art for the games

[plucky flicker]

The reason I said I'm not worried about Art Director is because of Chris Matthews' experience that's not only from working as Art Director for Battlefield with Marcus Lehto, but also working on other projects such as: Star Wars Battlefront III, Crysis 2, Gears of War, Forza, and few more.

[solid canopy]

His stuff is incredible, though afaik he only has done stuff for the 2022 Encyclopedia offically

[plucky flicker]

They could commission him again.

[solid canopy]

It would be really cool

[plucky flicker]

I'll miss Sparth. 😢

[solid canopy]

Him and Tekka-Crow are perhaps the two artists I want to see do stuff for games in the series the most

[plucky flicker]

Reclaimer Era concept arts are something else.

[solid canopy]

H4's concept art is gorgeous

[plucky flicker]

USNC Infinite docked abive Earth is one of, if not, the most favorite Halo concept art of mine. It just radiates pure hope and looking beyond the future. That art and To Galaxy (Extended) go well together — they are ingrained in my mind.

[solid canopy]

Tekka-Crow's Halo artwork does a really good job blending both Original and Reclaimer style sensibilities together

[plucky flicker]

I can definitely see that.

Neil Davidge's music offers a great experience when paired with Halo 4 concept arts!

[solid canopy]

https://x.com/Tekka_Croe/status/1474180859473403909

These designs to me are proof that with a little tweeking the Gen 2 armors could still look themselves and be consistant with past games

to be clear that is not me trying to pile onto the Gen 2 armor designs. Yes, some of them are ugly. But also a lot of them are very cool looking.

[plucky flicker]

I agree.

New Vale armour looks better than I thought it's going to.

[crystal iron]

they knew

ODST THEME AT THE END 🚨 : https://youtu.be/Xw1IeMhJI3E?si=CEv2ajtT4bKwA2j5

In today’s launch trailer for Helldivers on Xbox*

[sleek cradle]

I hope we get a ODST Collab like we did for Killzone

[crystal iron]

^ I was thinking December since that was when Killzone had it I think

Either way, Halo has got to officially do something with ODSTs again. I’m still looking forward to their announcements this Oct

[stark helm]

is eod gen 1 ever getting unvalted? i had to make a new account so i was hoping i could eventually get it again

[civic sundial]

It will most likely be available again next month in the Exchange, since that will be when it's been 3 months since it was available for the first time

[stark helm]

thank you thatll be sweet if it does, i was hoping i could get it again lol

[civic sundial]

Well it was a free armour set and given the last few operations have had their free armour added to the Exchange, it'd be odd for that to not happen with EOD

[stark helm]

that makes sense, i just wasnt sure, i got that and hayabusa on my old account

[oblique gyro]

Halo

[lucid turtle]

Who’s excited for Helldivers?

[dark nebula]

as halo is coming to helldivers I thought now is finally the time to actually play Halo, but as someone who has never had any contact with the franchise at all I wonder, what is the best way to play Halo on PC today? I already have Gamepass and I do not mind old graphics.
Should I just download the master chief collection from xbox and play as is or are there any community patches I should get, is there any specific order to play the games in, etc...?

[lucid turtle]

Just play in release order and have fun. Sadly halo 5 isn’t on steam but the rest are, I don’t know how gamepass works on PC because I own an Xbox.

Have fun with some of gaming finest

[dark nebula]

is halo 5 halo infinite?

[solemn portal]

wat

[dark nebula]

on xbox (the app for PC) they have halo 1-4 and then halo infinite

[tribal walrus]

Halo 5 and halo infinite are two separate games

This is just me, but I’d suggest playing through on the original graphics for CE and 2 for your first play through

[dark nebula]

so is there no PC version of 5 then? (since it's not even on microsofts own PC platform)

[tribal walrus]

I don’t think halo 5 is on PC at all

[solemn portal]

There's Halo 5: Forge, which has Forge (obviously) and a custom game browser.

[dark nebula]

I am more interested in playing the campaign. is that in halo 5 forge?

[solemn portal]

Nope.

[tribal walrus]

I understand still wanting to PLAY halo 5 campaign, but it is the WEAKEST halo campaign so don’t be too disappointed

[coarse dagger]

Without an Xbox console, the only way to play Halo 5 on PC would be via Cloud gaming, if you have Game Pass Ultimate

[dark nebula]

I don't, but would that even have mouse & keyboard controls then?

[coarse dagger]

I'm not sure what support it has for M&K, sorry

[lucid turtle]

Unfortunately there isn’t. Good news though, it’s the worst game in the series

[dark nebula]

so can I just skip it then and go straight into the next one?

[lucid turtle]

Yeah

[dark nebula]

oof

[whole cloud]

pretty much, infinite just throws it's story in the trash

[solemn portal]

Basically nothing carries over, plot wise.

[lucid turtle]

play in this order
CE
2
3
ODST
Reach
4
Infinite

[lucid turtle]

Or gameplay wise

[dark nebula]

holy moly master chief collection is almost 140GB

[whole cloud]

can't you play halo 5 on pc via cloud?

[lucid turtle]

It’s 4-6 games in one though

[lucid turtle]

It’s 4-6 games in one

[dark nebula]

I thought they were retro games

[solemn portal]

You can uninstall the games that you're not playing. You don't need to have all games installed at all times.

[solid canopy]

Clamber, thruster packs, ADS, the shield display uses the same system as Halo 5's, ect.

[whole cloud]

on steam you can pick and choose what's installed, like you can choose to install individual games, just the campaigns, or just the multiplayers

[lucid turtle]

The first two are smaller, but then the rest are much bigger as they get more modern

[whole cloud]

i think halo 2 anniversary and 4 are the biggest

[dark nebula]

I could pick what I wanted to install in gamepass too. The problem is that the requirement, the minimum install, was almost 140 GB and then I could select all the games individually that I wanted to install, but all of them were just listed as an additional 10MB

[lucid turtle]

I don’t know what to say, maybe uninstall something if you can

[dark nebula]

oh no, I have the space. I was just surprised by the size

[lucid turtle]

Oh, then have fun my friend

[whole cloud]

well you will probably be very confused as infinite doesn't really explain what happens, it's essentially a soft reboot after halo 5

so you might just wanna watch the cutscenes of 5 before infinite, and then just know that everything you see in those cutscenes just gets conveniently and unsatisfyingly resolved offscreen before infinite

[dark nebula]

this is what I mean, base installation 136GB and each game 10 MB 😂
https://imgur.com/a/nUyHrFy

[whole cloud]

i hate that I'm a fan of this series for the story and lore...

[coarse dagger]

10mb files are the license keys for each game

[lucid turtle]

I’ve never seen that before, but that makes sense

[solemn portal]

Should a bought the Steam version instead. You would have gotten mod support too.

[dark nebula]

but I already have gamepass

[lucid turtle]

That’s fair, and if you ever want mods buy the game on steam

[dark nebula]

do I need/want mods for the campaign?

[lucid turtle]

No, but they can be fun from what I’ve heard

[whole cloud]

it isn't required but look up some mods on the stram workshop if you want

[lucid turtle]

I wouldn’t know because I have an Xbox

[whole cloud]

most are just multiplayer maps, firefight mods, and campaign overhauls

[solemn portal]

For a first playthrough? No.

[lucid turtle]

These games have kept me entertained for hundreds of hours without mods

[dark nebula]

I love how the xbox app doesn't even have an estimate time for when the download will be finished. I guess I will be playing at some point between now and next week

[lucid turtle]

lol

[dry terrace]

I can't wait for halo x helldivers 2

[dark nebula]

can I realistically play through the relevant games till the helldivers crossover comes out?

I am afraid after that point I will be busy playing helldivers

[rotund zenith]

there have been some original campaigns coming out, did a playthrough of Halo: Prevarication a few weeks ago and the screenshots on the workshop donot do that mod justice it is pretty excellent

[rotund zenith]

play on easy or normal and you can play through them quite quickly

im seeing quotes of like 6-10 hours per campaign if youre taking your time

[lucid turtle]

On normal absolutely, but there will be some tough missions, the most relevant games for the cross over will probably be halo 2 and ODST, but still play them all

[dark nebula]

I was not planing to play them on normal

should I? I usually play fps games on high difficulties

[solemn portal]

Halo is meant to be played on Heroic.

[rotund zenith]

normal is the normal difficulty

[solemn portal]

Also, make sure you turn off the Anniversary graphics AND sound effects for Halo CE.
Same for Halo 2.

[dark nebula]

will do

[lucid turtle]

I say you should, heroic can be a little challenging for someone knew to halo combat which is slower and methodical, but it can be more fun

[dark nebula]

hm... that might be a problem

a thousand hours of titanfall 2 multiplayer has punched all the slow and methodical out of me. now there is only going fast

[lucid turtle]

You’ll be fine, halo plays like a dance in a way you die a bunch but then you make a strategy

[stark helm]

if you have gamepass ultimate you can play 5 through cloud on pc

[dark nebula]

only with gamepass ultimate, not with the regular

I generally don't have any use for streaming, so I don't have ultimate

but I still don't know if streaming halo 5 would have mouse and keyboard support

[stark helm]

fair enough i wasnt sure if you did or not so i figured id mention it, but youre right if you did have it youd need a controller to play

[dark nebula]

ah ok. I would rather not play an FPS at all than to play it on controller

[stark helm]

haha big feels i tried playing bf6 beta on my ally x but just couldnt do it w/o m&kb

[lucid turtle]

@dark nebula having fun?

[dark nebula]

https://imgur.com/a/SKdFDbq

so maybe in another 3 hours

[lucid turtle]

Wow

[lucid turtle]

“Are we there yet?”

[solid canopy]

I think I figured out my issue with the Banished designs in Halo Infinite- or at least found a way to better articulate them-
I understand why they pulled so much from past games for the designs of all of the enemies. They wanted to keep that spirt alive, and also allow for more distinction from classes.
But I think it comes at the cost of the Banished in Halo Infinite lacking a lot of their unique visual identitiy.

Thats at least one side of it, the other lies in the designs of Banished vehicles and structures. I think they are far too smooth or "blunt" for lack of a better word.
Part of the appeal of the Banished in HW2 for me was that super sharp, vicious look. These were not designs representing a holy empire, these were instruments of distruction. Things had a very jagged, salvaged look to them. Something I feel is missing from designs like the Ghost or the various Banished structures throughout the map.

Thats not to deny the effort that went into these designs or say that they don't do some of the things I'm talking about. I just want to try and get at how I think future installments could improve moving forwards

[torpid moat]

A slip space rupture sent the chief and part of the UNSC fleet to our Galaxy. A halo ring was also discovered...

Recent intelligence suggests there's a grave mind in the galaxy. The ODST are being sent in to help the chief and the helldivers put an end to it before it gets out of control.

[civic sundial]

While it wouldn't solve the visual disparities between their depictions in Halo Wars 2 and in Infinite, at the least I do wish they had kept their HW2 armour designs we see throughout the cutscenes for the higher ranking members we encounter on Zeta Halo. I recognise this primarily applies to the Brutes but I think it is a shame none of their HW2 armour designs made it into Infinite

Vehicles looking different isn't too big of a problem for me since we've seen different factions deploy multiple iterations of a vehicle throughout the series

Buildings, I am mixed on because I do think they could have translated some aspects of the HW2 Banished architecture into Infinite, but at the same time, it may have clashed a little too strongly with the designs they came up with for locations like the Tower and the House of Reckoning

[plucky flicker]

Wait...

https://youtu.be/7hF2qlu8ZGY?si=q1Bxmzxz0OnAbK-1

2:55

Is that A Gun Pointed At The Head of The Universe??

[bright finch]

@glacial tartan https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/15594823294797384160/F8BD52E16BFA9E017F8E25ECF9EF6E446D8258E1/ proton GE 10.12 it crashes also, GE 9.5 it doesnt even start….

I’ve tried Proton experimental, beta, hotfix, 9.0.4 and whatever else there is.

[dark nebula]

please, for the love of god, someone tell me there is a way to change these god awful driving controls. You steer with the MOUSE?!!!!

[bright finch]

Use an xbox controller 😂

[dark nebula]

no need to escalate to a punishment worse than torture. I asked for a way to make the game control better, not worse

[bright finch]

I am quitting this stuff if this garbage deck isn’t going to run my games how they are supposed to

[dark nebula]

no, but seriously, is there no way to change the driving controls?

[shadow turret]

Turn on movement assisted steering
It's somewhere in MnK controls but I forget where

It doesn't eliminate mouse driving, but it helps

[dark nebula]

I don't need help. I need a different control scheme

is it viable to just not vehicles for the entirety of the game?

[bright finch]

Try a bottle of whiskey, changes the control scheme too

[shadow turret]

There's no different control schemes for MnK
And even on controller none of them change driving I'm pretty sure

Pretty sure every Halo game was based on where you were looking to drive
and Infinite is the only one with movement assisted steering
which imo helps a lot

[dark nebula]

every halo game?????? were they out of their minds

[rotund zenith]

Nope, vehicles are a pretty core part of halo and its all mouse movement... even the tank

[dark nebula]

I think this might be the final nail in the coffin for me

the gunplay is legit horrendous. There is just no hit feedback. The starter rifle is quite possibly the single worst gun I have ever seen in any FPS game. Why does it have more spread than a shotgun? And the driving control scheme is so devious not even satan himself could have come up with something worse

I thought this was supposed to be some masterpiece of FPS gaming

[rotund zenith]

It is :)

[dark nebula]

then why is everything about it so far just bad in every way possible?

[coarse dagger]

You're playing CE, yeah?

[dark nebula]

yeah

ce anniversary, through the master chief collection

[uneven bison]

Seeing this criticism in 2001 would’ve made peoples brains explode

[coarse dagger]

Yeah, gaming was a completely different landscape 25 years ago. Halo, at the time, was a huge leap forward in the translation of FPS to the console genre. Will definitely be jarring to go back and play that playstyle of games today, if you never experienced them at the time

[dark nebula]

no it wouldn't. HLs gunplay is just better in every way and that was 98

[uneven bison]

Why are you comparing HL to halo

[coarse dagger]

What I would say, is to stick with it, if you can, and see how the development of the games progressed - as new tech was developed and more powerful hardware made it easier to build and support better features

[uneven bison]

I don’t think you would’ve liked this game anyway from what I’m hearing

[glacial tartan]

CE didn’t have any skibidi toilets, bad game tbh

[uneven bison]

Well you see this game with guns should the same as this game with guns as well despite literally being built on a stone tablet

[coarse dagger]

If you still don't like it, that's absolutely fair. It's not a game for everyone. Giving it a shot is still worth it

[dark nebula]

genuienly I would love to love this game. I have heard a ton of great stuff about it's awesome desolate atmosphere. I love it's setting. I love the design of the armors, the vehicles, the ships. So far I just don't like the playing part of this game

[uneven bison]

Fair enough

Still it’s 2001 and a rushed launch title for the Xbox

[coarse dagger]

Halo has such a huge array of communities, there are probably a lot out there that don't focus on gameplay at all - they more prefer the lore side, the design, etc

[glacial tartan]

Are you on the og deck? Ill be honest, I dont touch campaign much but especially h2a/h4 crashing doesnt surprise me much, it does the same thing on pc lol

[bright finch]

Man you know what I just did, I did spartan ops without skulls and now it works…

[glacial tartan]

Would not surprise me at all that one of the skulls break things, particularly the new ones

[bright finch]

I just had birthday grunt and the one that accels explosions

[rotund zenith]

There's also different gameplay experiences out there in the community, optre if you like your milsim, there's a quake 4 total conversion some mad lads are doing, i havent seen a total conversion for xcom2 but there are many individual mods one can string together, sins of the prophets for looking at pretty ships

[uneven bison]

There’s an arma modding community too

Maybe something like galactic contention for squad

[rotund zenith]

Optre is the big arma one

[dark nebula]

no-one has made a mod for keyboard vehicle controls?

[uneven bison]

I only do squad 44 tbh

[rotund zenith]

Think the people that get into the modtools like halos gameplay enough they dont think about it

[uneven bison]

They also change the keybinds if it’s a big enough problem

Mcc’s ui isn’t exactly intuitive but it’s not inaccessible

[dark nebula]

I didn't see any setting to change vehicle ctonrols to keyboard

[wooden briar]

I went on foot for the entirety of CE and it was fine: just some longer walking times in the sections built for vehicles. Was pretty fun actually: finding ways to overcome encounters without the firepower of a tank, etc.

[civic sundial]

How'd you do the Warthog Run on foot?

[bright finch]

You did the last part of CE on LASO on foot?!?

[wooden briar]

Never ever LASO

[wooden briar]

That's the neat part: I didn't. I totally forgot about that level. Oh well, they'll learn on their own. Builds character.

[lucid turtle]

@dark nebula you’re playing CE right? The pistol acts more like a mid ranged rifle that can one shot head shot unshielded enemies, use the plasma pistol’s over charge to instantly drain any energy shields

[civic sundial]

Fair enough, they will learn from the suffering

[bright vessel]

How are there more Hunter fights in Assault on the Control Room than the entirety of Halo 3?

[solemn portal]

Because Assault on the Control Room is a very long level and Hunters are much easier to deal with in Halo CE.

[bright vessel]

Not considerably unless you one shot them with a pistol or the sniper rifle

[solemn portal]

If you ain't one shotting Hunters, you're playing it wrong.

[bright vessel]

Also I've been playing through the Blassault on the Blontrol Room mod (ports the Halo CE level to Halo 2) and the hunters are fine

[tulip tusk]

u can drive a vehicle into them too for insta

[bright vessel]

I mean yes you can cheese hunters in CE, which is what I did after discovering it (and sometimes I still do), but the developers intended for you to actually fight them

Often now I accept the devs' challenge

[calm flare]

Dunno if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone else experience horrendous black crush on Steam MCC? I'm playing Halo 1 classic graphics and some areas are pitch black, no matter how I adjust in-game graphics or my TV settings

[glacial tartan]

When adjusting gamma in game you're adjusting the second gamma setting and not the first one, right?

[calm flare]

Ya, the in-game gamma. It will brighten the image but any remaining shadows are still pitch black, no detail whatsoever, which isn't what the original looks like. And it's hard to get used to

[gray tide]

I might be able to find help here- I'm looking for software/tech savvy people who can help me properly remove motion blur from Halo 3/ODST MCC (pc). I've been taking a friend through co-op and when we got to 3 the motion blur was too much and would give them a bad headache.

You can edit the .ini file and set all the motion blur options to false but adjusting in-game settings or dying/resetting checkpoint reverts the file. I'd love if anyone could help

[wooden briar]

You'll want to duplicate this request in #1075989764026675210 : that's where the tech-minded community members roam and help each other out.

[gray tide]

thanks

[rotund zenith]

Halo 3 has a lot more miniboss variety with the hunters, chieftains, warchiefs, and scarabs than ce which just had hunters and the rare gold sword elite

[rare cove]

bro theres really nobody playing firefight on mcc?

[gray tide]

maybe you can try the lfg chat

[coarse dagger]

https://discord.gg/8HCYptmF?event=1405292584670204098

[bright finch]

@glacial tartan well, I just got to play Spartan Ops 8-2 without any problems having all skulls disabled, I tried going for 8-3 now and even without skulls it crashes. Truelly at the end of my solutions here

[finite tundra]

Anyone know of a good brand or place to find ODST related stuff?

[teal plover]

Hehe balls

[hushed moon]

I actually cannot fathom how Insurmountablably absolutely trash my teammates can be on mcc, dont queue solo bro

[crystal iron]

i just finished halo reach

[scarlet shuttle]

I wonder why they never fixed the major problem this game has but continues to release new content. My biggest nightmare is desync. We are in 2025 and this still happens. Rocket Launcher explode and doesn’t kill anyone even if it clearly obliterated them, I saved a clip, than watched the outcome in theater mode and it shows my rocket explode miles always from where it exploded while I was playing.

So I’m wondering, how many small bullets miss their targets when spraying your opponent? 🥹

[earnest spade]

I haven't had desync in ages, you sure it's not your internet?

[left snow]

Yeah - the weird "desync" issues pretty much went when they reverted to the Halo 5 network model. The one where you can get a feel for the lag by watching your hand when you throw a grenade. The longer it takes to appear the worse your lag in this game.

And yay.

73 more sleeps until Halo Studios show us what they are working on. 😄

[earnest spade]

I haven't had desync since maybe late 23' but I'll do a few runs in Arena to see once my internet is back up.

Usually I only had desync if I were playing in Asia but haven't had trouble in the US since

[hushed minnow]

halo is peak

[crystal iron]

set a fire in your heart spartan fight hard die well

[hushed minnow]

Amen

[earnest spade]

I died well but by having my Banshee crushed underneath a Phantom in round 2.

[crystal iron]

by the rings.................

[simple halo]

Currently on Halo 3 of the MCC and I gotta say its peak 🫡

[celest heron]

check for packet loss.

[potent vale]

Anyone else get the most braindead rock IQ teammates in famished famished falcons

[tribal walrus]

Extremely 🔥

[coarse dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/live/h86TX_Yv-8U?feature=shared

[potent vale]

genuinely how can teammates be this idiotic in famished falcons bro, the flag is right there just hop out and grab it

im tempted just to use my second monitor with another pc and an alt just so i can play the mode in a fun way rather than watching a teammate try and chase a flag carrier whos already at their base about to cap

[whole cloud]

construct is a bad map ngl

[short flower]

When will they do a play date on a day I don’t work on… (weekends)

man idk how much longer they’re gonna support infinite, so the fomo is enormous

[tame moth]

Fomo?

[short flower]

Fear of missing out, and its enormous

[rare cove]

bro is halo 5 dead? cant even find a lobby for quickplay lmaoo

[fossil tinsel]

It is dead.

It died a long time ago.

No offense.

[onyx latch]

Many such cases!

[dusty olive]

Has the skill-based mmking been reduced?

[left snow]

Hopefully not. 🙂

[left snow]

I've never liked it. But nostalgia is a powerful thing.

[celest heron]

don't know, but it can adjust depending on different factors so maybe it gave you an uneven game based on them.

[solid canopy]

I kinda like it. Its no High Ground or Turf, but I do enjoy an asymmetrical vertical map

[whole cloud]

i just think it's way too big and open for a 4v4

[solid canopy]

Thats understandable

6v6 is pretty good for it

[whole cloud]

confusing layout, and you'll probably immediately be shot at after respawning and will die since like half the time there's no good cover nearby

[solemn portal]

The big issue is how important the top level is and how hard it is to take it away from a decent team.

[noble osprey]

Halo 5 has the best multiplayer of any halo to date

[kindred helm]

Nice ragebait

[left snow]

It was a thing of beauty.

[crystal iron]

how is that ragebait

[main iris]

He’s not wrong

It was the most competitive and genuinely fun

[lucid turtle]

11 days

[wooden briar]

https://tenor.com/view/my-man-together-smile-gif-20682410

[uneven bison]

Contrarian disposition or moral conviction, call it

[compact kindle]

ragebait when it’s an opinion that loads of other people have

[low blaze]

Why on earth isn't the Fortnite Spartan skin customizable

It's literally the halo infinite multiplayer spartan but they didn't give you any customization

[radiant sundial]

Uh, have you seen how fortnite treats 99.9% of the skins in the game?

To my knowledge there was only like one skin type that you could customize further than some color presets

[compact kindle]

it’s the halo infinite multiplayer spartan if it was starved for a month

different-ish model i’m pretty sure

[potent vale]

i can tell that the current famished falcons mode has no sbmm

because there is no way in hell my teammates who i cant even call dumber than rocks cause thats an insult to rocks are playing in the same matches as me

thats not even an insult too at least i know how to press E at a medium ish high rank

[radiant sundial]

yeah no that's just how the mode is, there is no "skill" in that mode, literally the most effective strategy is to wait for the someone to take the flag, land at the middle, and grab it when flag resets, then proceed to waltz home, then rinse and repeat

[potent vale]

that works perfect too but my teammates don t even know how to get out of the falcon

and theyre higher ranks than me too usually platinum like im dealing with people who are actually so braindead they make activsion look smart

[radiant sundial]

ok so 2 things.

1. silver is wildly mistakeable for platinum when looking at career ranks

2. Career rank =/= CSR rank, and especially with the ways to grind score in matches, someone could've been playing for like a week or 2 and be in platinum career ranks already

[potent vale]

ik

but i go onto their profiles when im this baffled and it says platinum

[radiant sundial]

you do know how easy it is to grind career rank right?

especially with the spicy sumo bowl mode where it gives you a stupid amount of score for basically just holding W or whatever your forwards movement button is

[potent vale]

yeah ik i just dont play high scoring modes

[radiant sundial]

same

[potent vale]

its depressing cause id play ranked if other europeans did

but nope, the modes completely dead

[radiant sundial]

tbh I don't pay attention to career rank much, the only thing that it does (and not even really) is give you a tiny idea of how long they've been playing

[potent vale]

hell it doesnt even tell u that

im a gold brig gen and ive been playing since the beta

[radiant sundial]

fair, it's not terribly hard to find a mode for me in the US, but it doesn't help when I'm still only just getting to platinum in CSR (I don't play much tho so idrc lol)

[radiant sundial]

I'm working my way through diamond and I've been playing since day one XD

[potent vale]

unironically back when forge was added and infiniteforges was testing out the damnation map i fought mint blitz

[radiant sundial]

isn't mint blitz wildly overrated

o7 whatever that message said

[potent vale]

not really, he has his moments where hes bad

[potent vale]

it was just me saying that my brain went "wait.. this is someone else with a shred of skill wth"

[radiant sundial]

fair, I just don't like the guy bc every video I see from him feel like 5% info, 15% genuine criticism, and 80% hating halo studios

[potent vale]

hes not doing that at all atm tbh

he posted recently the original plan for halo infinite

before the horrible management, the worst execs ever, etc

[radiant sundial]

what, the hero shooter plan?

[potent vale]

it wouldve released in 2019 apparently

[radiant sundial]

ngl, the opening scene for infinite should've been a level instead of a cutscene

[potent vale]

so this is pre halo wars 2 release plans

[potent vale]

it probably was but got cut for time reasons

[radiant sundial]

yeah that makes sense

[potent vale]

halo infinite got crippled by execs and management

[radiant sundial]

it could've been worse tbh

[potent vale]

the fact they needed joe staten to get the game in a workable state prior to launch is crazy

although now its unironically one of the best games

(rip beta ravager and commando tho)

[radiant sundial]

what were they like?

[potent vale]

ravager actually felt like a good anti personnel weapon rather than a horrible area denial and a good anti vehicle

commando just felt like a full auto DMR it was awesome

[radiant sundial]

ngl I'm still annoyed that in the halo encyclopedia the VK78 is listed as a dang semi auto weapon

[potent vale]

lol wanna know something funny

[radiant sundial]

wasn't the commando supposed to be an LMG or something?

[potent vale]

technically all weapons in the UNSC besides sidearms are full auto, burst and semi auto

[radiant sundial]

ye

[potent vale]

probably a replacement for the saw (which shouldnt of been cut in the first place)

[radiant sundial]

select fire is a thing on almost every gun the UNSC has

[radiant sundial]

no like I coulda sworn it was supposed to be for something in reach

[potent vale]

although, only the M6 series of handguns had it

[potent vale]

probably

the fact i have to ask people to be useful in this mode is funny

[radiant sundial]

meh, I'm just here to fly the silly helicopter that feels like it lost weight when turning but gains 2 tons trying to climb

[potent vale]

it does handle extremely weird

[radiant sundial]

yeah, despite being undeniably a finished vehicle, it feels like it was rushed just a tad bit too much

[potent vale]

it feels like it should just climb alot faster

[radiant sundial]

I think if they lowered the turn rate and increased the climb rate it would be cooler, and yknow, not have the rotors STOP SPINNING when you're decending

[lunar musk]

Did they change something in mcc on PC asking for a login everytime You wanna play it ?

[noble osprey]

Does anyone else think halo wars 1 is better then 2? Just my opinion

[celest heron]

not that I know of. might be something on your end.

[rotund zenith]

The map design is 100% better(aesthetically) and i think the 3 +10% healthdamage upgrades for infantry/vehicles/air is a really boring way to handle late game scaling. Hw2 also just kinda didnt have an ending. Hw1 also didnt have that card mode where you gamble for more powerful cards
That being said i think the unsc and banished having both leader/hero unit and the rotary menu of powers was a good change and i cant argue against the leader variety

Also the rotary menu taking after company of heroes 1 doctrines where you buy into powers with points earned in the match is very nice

[wheat fulcrum]

Hey everyone! I realise this may be a shot in the dark, but does anyone here know if theres anywhere or anyone I can be directed to about obtaining sound effect files from Halo 3 ODST for the suppressed smg and magnum?

[celest heron]

try the halo mods discord server

[hybrid crypt]

Anybody have an issue launching Infinite after using Reshade?

[silent wharf]

no

i am having a problem however with btb's intro music not playing. does this happen to anyone else?

[tired swan]

Is the S&D extraction game mode not in any matchmaking playlist?

[lucid turtle]

10 days

[low field]

i like the elites they are neat

[celest heron]

wort wort wort

[frosty condor]

[celest heron]

the arbiter will hear of this heresy.

[tranquil olive]

going to attempt halo reach laso solo 🙏

[silver lion]

after playing halo 2 for the first time I think regret might be one of my favorite levels across the first two games

a lot of it is vibes but i love the vibes (pirate ship battle AND undersea elevator? sign me up!)

[snow ermine]

Yeah guess I just got insanely lucky because MCC matchmaking is still bricked ✌️

It's unbelievable MCC is still for sale on the Microsoft store when half of the game isn't working

[karmic oriole]

Why is it when I start a game at least 3 teammates aren't playing? Why? Every single game

[snow ermine]

Nevermind found a game we up ☝️☝️☝️glory to halo studios

[tulip tusk]

is search time long? mayb they fell asleep

[snow ermine]

if we talking mcc then yeah probably

[elder hatch]

Hiya. Im in the middle of playing Halo 3 for the first time. Man am I getting kinda tired of dealing with the flood at this point

[edgy forum]

Man I love the Vestige Carbine

[tulip tusk]

Immersion, the flood tires all

[normal mountain]

xD

[celest heron]

well I got some bad news for ya.

[solid canopy]

It just occured to me earlier today that the Threat Sensor from Halo Infinite is just Promethean Vision from Halo 4 but better

[solid canopy]

Promethan Vision looks cool but its only really helpful in two scenarios + caused the removal of Flashlights/Night Vision though maybe that was a hardware thing too

[timid sapphire]

[celest heron]

I'd say it's better if you meant more balanced.

[civic sundial]

I think Promethean Vision could've been fine if we had more abilities and options to obscure a player's vision, such as smoke screens and acted as a counter to that and active camo instead of having the ability to see through walls

[solid canopy]

The Threat Sensor has the added benifit of being something that effects the map and not just a single player

[civic sundial]

And can stick to things like vehicles or other players

I wonder if it can stick to a rocket or another projectile?

[hazy cobalt]

Does anyone know what the halo Rank insignias are for both Unicom and Navcom, I’ve been trying to search but I can’t find anything other than a description on Halopedia

[fallow arch]

Guys ripa moramee solos

Most OP arbiter

[radiant sundial]

Wildly untrue, source: halo legends

[fallow arch]

If he didnt get cocky

[fallow arch]

Wait who is

Don't tell me its someone like fal chavamee

[potent vale]

It is fal chavamee actually

Brother faced an entire covenant army with just his energy swords and won

I love having to wait 15-20mins for a ranked match in halo infinite

[fallow arch]

Dang

Hes a HERETIC

The first ever heretic tbh

[zenith knot]

Does anyone else get excited over new lore releases? Like Waypoint Chronicles, Armory Infinitium and actual novels?

[potent vale]

I would if halo studios actually like.. advertised them

Or released the novels in international bookstores rather than digital purchasing

[coarse dagger]

https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/halo-waypoint-chronicles-volume-one-cover-reveal

Available on Amazon too

[potent vale]

Ik but itd be nice if i could go and physically see it since ive been scammed on amazon way too many times

[muted yacht]

It’s absolutely hilarious how halo ce anniversary uses halo reach assets but I guess it makes sense as halo ce is right after reach.

[coarse dagger]

It's more because that was the latest / most up to date game at the time, made it the best choice to reuse from

[muted yacht]

For a game that came out in 2011 halo ce anniversary looks pretty good.

[potent vale]

yeah it looks great but absolutely kills some missions with how bright it is

[muted yacht]

343 guilty spark looks too bright

[potent vale]

so does truth and reconciliation

[bright tiger]

hi

[night sail]

Anyone know when the S&D game mode is back? And if it's back where to find it?

[still osprey]

The library specially, for those enemies that fall from above

[rugged quartz]

I wonder if it will make use of the new menu

[silent warren]

Hello don't know if this is the right place to ask this but I got a copy of Halo Reach for the Xbox 360 in the original case w/ the manual and an unused code for the Spartan Recon Helmet and I was wondering how much it would sell for since I can't find a pricing for it anywhere where you guys happen to know?

[rotund zenith]

maybe 5-20 for the game depending on the buyer. the code is probably nonfunctional and the recon helmet was grindable in game anyways

[silent warren]

alright

[thorny chasm]

hello does anybody know how to get past the last cairo station room laso without johnson

[solid canopy]

My latest rumination as I've been replaying through Halo Infinite-
How did the Banished manage to get a Hunter into a drop pod?

[radiant sundial]

Because they're made up of a bunch of eels mimicing a shape and can shapeshift to an extent

[chilly eagle]

because it was made by 343 🤣

[civic sundial]

The game being made by 343 isn't why it's like that. Plenty of games have had characters emerging from things which they realistically should not fit into

Considering that Otto is the first person I've to bring it up, I'm gonna guess most people didn't care about the Hunters being squished into them

[solid canopy]

Its the nitpickiest of nitpicks

It was more of a "I never even noticed that" than anything

[craggy wadi]

To be fair each dev deserves a place in credits

You can't beat the core original

[onyx latch]

I feel like, realistically, the Covenant and Banished would absolutely have Hunter-specific drop pods.

[solid canopy]

Oh sure

[solemn portal]

Look on ebay for a comparable offer. Make sure to filter for confirmed purchases.

[silent warren]

alright

[hazy cobalt]

please

[onyx latch]

It's changed a few times.

Not every game, but every single rank logo has changed.

[crystal iron]

new halo when

[nova basalt]

Never
It’s all a lie

[crystal iron]

idea for the halo gear shop
https://i.imgur.com/3zP4pyD.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/8QyJTlc.jpeg

[fast rover]

anyone excited for the helldivers 2 release on xbox ODS troopers?

[left snow]

We find out in 68 days.

[crystal iron]

is that when they give a release date for unreal halo games

[left snow]

That's when Halo Studios officially unveil what they are working on. I imagine we'll get some dates - depending on how far along each project is.

[crystal iron]

maybe we'll find out their research project that definitely isnt halo ce is in fact another ce

[frozen yew]

you might as well restart and grab Johnson

[frozen yew]

it isnt too bad. If you are thinking bout completing the MCC LASO I would start with 2 (the hardest) then CE (2nd Hardest) before Reach

If you can beat Halo 2 LASO you can beat any Halo game on LASO

[versed holly]

Probably just a trailer showcasing what they’re working on, doubtful there’ll be dates yet

[crystal iron]

i hope they remake 1-3

the art style in the last ce remake was just weird so ifthey do it right this time i would be great

[versed holly]

How is this game so sweaty lol

[versed holly]

The story wouldn’t progress though. Also it’d be a retcon no?

[tulip tusk]

dedicated low pop

[versed holly]

I want to enjoy infinite but there’s no fun in being destroyed every match

[crystal iron]

what story is that exactly, between halo 4, 5 and infinite I'm a bit confused at what the story is meant to be anymore

[versed holly]

Story of Cortana dying, chief dealing with the outcome, the UNSC dealing with the aftermath of the covenant war only to be screwed by the Created, then the Banished

[tulip tusk]

banished should be our buddies

[versed holly]

Not saying it’s a good story, but it is what we currently have

Oh and the Endless are the new big baddies. The way I see it, the Banished are the Covenant 3.0, colored red, and the Endless are the equivalent to the Flood (if we’re comparing the story to the OG)

[crystal iron]

didact disappeared off screen, created abandoned, what happened to blue team and osiris? infinite just pressed the reset button

[tulip tusk]

yea i guess escharum and endless dont like forerunners or something revenge arc. but unsc doesnt like fruns either

and whats his face

atriox seems like he wants to free jailed peoples or something maybe

wouldve been cool if banished and unsc were a team vs created

cuz cortana and all them wanted to be in place of the old frunner way

i guess they went with oh cortana blew up brute home, maybe thats why atriox had no patience. but still

its hard to say since we dont really know endless goals yet, if it would conflict

so im in a limbo story wise

i wouldnt mind if flood defeated the endless

i guess atriox is a rogue detective at this point

[crystal iron]

scary flood music + good graphics realistic flood + set up like some alien horror mission

will get the approval of majority

[still osprey]

They also dont need a big plot device to bring them back they have either the halos for an outbreak or the flood from the outer galaxy can come. Theres also that spartan flood lying around

When I played infinite on the release date without knowing anything prior I had more than 1 moment where I expected the flood coming out

[versed holly]

Oooo I forgot about Saturn Devouring His Son. But they’ll never adapt those storylines into games 😭

[still osprey]

Yeah, thats the pattern

[crystal iron]

i want to shoot aliens and stuff

[still osprey]

Even 343 mentioning the existence of an outer galaxy flood would be a stretch

[still osprey]

I want to shoot zombie aliens

[crystal iron]

is mcc still getting updates

[solemn portal]

Outside of EAC "updates", no.

[crystal iron]

did they say that somewhere or are we just meant to know that

i guess the rampant cheater issue isn't a good enough reason to update the game anymore ;D

[solemn portal]

EAC updates are for cheaters.
Content wise, the game is clearly in maintenance mode.

[crystal iron]

not getting new content is understandable, but bug fixes should be included in maintenance mode

[celest heron]

that mode is just making sure the servers are still working and minor fixes if needed.

[crystal iron]

you know what would be big brain, making parts of the game open source and letting the community/github cave dwellers fix all the issues within a month then just have someone approve it

[thorny chasm]

Nevermind i managed to do it bro

It was kinda hard i had to bait out elites and abuse the sputnik skull

[hollow bobcat]

10 seconds respawns in OBJ modes are what helped kill Halo.

Other games: Hey, you took out the enemy, but they'll be back in a few seconds. Be ready!

Halo: Oh hey, you took out the enemy. They won't be back for another 20 seconds. Kinda boring.

[frozen yew]

glad you could do it, 2 on LASO is rough on some missions and a cake walk on others. solo LASO can be hell and Cairo is one of them

[tame moth]

Its getting a sequel story soon

Check waypoint

[tall raptor]

Humans are Forerunner

When they retconned this they literally killed the trilogy

[coarse dagger]

Bungie were the first to put this forward

It didn't kill anything

[tall raptor]

What do you mean?

[coarse dagger]

Halo 3 terminals were where Bungie added that Forerunners are not Humans

[tall raptor]

Frank O Connor wrote the terminals about the Librarian and the Didact

[wide flame]

If forerunners weren’t human why human shaped

[tall raptor]

Why should we take his word over all of the trilogy?

[civic sundial]

And those terminals would've been approved by the people in charge of Halo 3's development. They weren't snuck in at the last second

[civic sundial]

Brutes are also humanoid, I wouldn't call them human

[wide flame]

They are human tho

[tall raptor]

Frankie was known for being sloppy and doing things last second though at Bungie, I really doubt that Bungie actually cared to read it because of time constraints

[wide flame]

You see in the great unification wars lead by the god emperor many human species were found that were originally colonies from the age of strife

[tall raptor]

And like I said, a single terminal shouldn't counter a whole 6 years of lore

[wide flame]

And the increased gravity and so on could’ve made them funy

[tall raptor]

7 if you count Contact Harvest

[civic sundial]

What six years of lore is it "countering"? Nothing in CE or 2 was clear on what the Forerunners were except they were long dead and built WMDs which kills all life in the galaxy

[wide flame]

WMDs?

[coarse dagger]

It's largely irrelevant now anyway. At this point, they've been officially a separate thing for way longer than they weren't. It's the way the studio decided they wanted to go. It's fine to disagree and wish it was something else, but this is what it is now

[wide flame]

So you’re saying the forerunners are Iraqis

[coarse dagger]

What?

[wide flame]

Which would make them human

[civic sundial]

Weapons of mass destruction, a Halo would count as a WMD since it wipes out life on a galactic scale

[wide flame]

So space saddam Hussain

[civic sundial]

What?

[wide flame]

And the humans are ofc the good guys with bush reclaiming the wmds

[coarse dagger]

This is going in a direction it shouldn't, so let's stop there

[wide flame]

Stopping before proven wrong

Typical of a loser

[coarse dagger]

Stopping because you're bringing in topics that are not allowed in discussion here

Insults are also not doing you any favors

[wide flame]

Excuses

[civic sundial]

Anyway, I hope we see the Prometheans and their weapons return in the next game

[wide flame]

They’d be humans

[tall raptor]

When 343 guilty Spark encountered the Chief he confused him for a Forerunner since he already assumed that Chief knew what the Halos would do, he says it in Two Betrayals "You already knew this, I mean how couldn't you?" and in Halo 2's, although cut ending, you were meant to see a Forerunner tombstone with human skeletons

[civic sundial]

Guilty Spark was rampant and getting things confused. The fact Chief went along with him to find the Index is not proof humanity and Forerunners were one and the same

[tall raptor]

On the Maw in Halo CE 343 Guilty Spark also says that he was recovering OUR lost history when looking at the stuff in the maw

[civic sundial]

And the Halo 2 cut ending is quite literally not canon, it may show original intents, but it's hardly something which can be used as proof when Bungie themselves were often flipping between whether or not they should be one and the same internally

[tall raptor]

That fact isn't my point, my point is that the Chief looks like a Forerunner because humans are Forerunner. 343 Guilty Spark being right about literally everything but his creators is a strange excuse to use

[tall raptor]

Like I said, a sole MINOR writer not agreeing with what the other major writers say is really not flipping, would you really rather believe a single piece of text over what the games were showing?

Can we just say that Halo Reach isn't cannon because the Fall of Reach states that it only took a few hours for Reach to fall?

[coarse dagger]

Halo Studios took this idea forward and that's what it is now, and has been for nearly 20 years. As I said, it's fine to disagree, but it doesn't change what is now officially canon

[coarse dagger]

There was a revised version of the Fall of Reach published back in, I want to say 2011, that adjusts things like timelines so that they better match up with the game and make sense

[civic sundial]

There's also plenty of lore from stuff like the loot crates which reconciles the issues surrounding the timeline of Reach falling as well

[tall raptor]

Yeah, I know but I'm asking them if it was 2010, would you believe the Fall of Reach over Halo Reach? Because you could ask the same about the Forerunners are human thing; Would you believe the terminal about the Librarian and the Didact (which doesn't directly say humans aren't Forerunner) over what was implied AND shown in the Halo trilogy?

[coarse dagger]

If something new is released and is stated to supersede previously released works, then that's how it is, regardless of how I feel about it

[tall raptor]

I'm not really saying that in the current 343 era lore the Humans are Forerunner, I know that it's been changed but it's also not right to say that in Bungie's era that the Forerunners aren't human

[rotund zenith]

Looking at release dates the first thing 343 did was decide they were alien with halolegends and cryptum in 2010 and 2011. And then one of them gets brought back only to be killed off in the same game only to be brought back again and then killed off in a comic xd

Kinda went from The Ancients to The Asgard

[plucky flicker]

Major writer, minor writer, who? Joe Staten wrote Halo 2. He's the only writer.

[tall raptor]

Minor writer being Frank (he wrote the terminal) and Joe being the major writer since he wrote most of the plot

[plucky flicker]

Joe didn't write Halo 3 though. It was a written by a marketing team. Frank wasn't a writer, he was among few Bungie employees who wrote Terminals.

[tall raptor]

He did most of the work on Halo 3's writing though, he just recycled most of the planned Halo 2's ending and put it into 3. Also yeah I know that Frank was a content manager and I know that he technically wasn't a writer but I just meant that he wrote that terminal

[plucky flicker]

No, Joe had little to no involvement in Halo 3. He was busy writing Contact Harvest. Many of Halo 3's writing decisions were shaped by a committee and Marty.

[tall raptor]

Joe wrote the stuff they recycled in Halo 3 though, he effectively wrote the end of Halo 3

[plucky flicker]

Look, unlike others you may have talked to, I'm not here to say Bungie didn't intend Humans to be Forerunner, I do believe they did. I also understand that 343 changed it, alongside other things they altered knowingly or otherwise. I like the ideas presented by both writing teams. However, what is canon now was written by 343 and it is a perfectly fine story, and you can choose to not like it — and I chose to like it. I also don't think the change 'destroyed' anything.

[plucky flicker]

Joe's ending for Halo 2 full story, which you say they recycled for Halo 3, had a cliffhanger ending where Cortana is not saved and it all comes to a close with Chief looking out at earth from a orbital station with Miranda by his side. That is most definitely not what we got.

[coarse dagger]

This article has a good explainer of what happened:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-complete-untold-history-of-halo-an-oral-history/
Search for the sentence "A big thing that happened is that Marcus and I had a giant argument." and read down from there. Marty and a committee writing the story is pretty much on point

[plucky flicker]

Nice. Do you happen to have the link for archived article where Josh Holmes talked about Microsoft asking for the changes thay resulted in Halo 4?

[coarse dagger]

I can look, can't remember offhand

Can't really see much besides this interview with OXCGN:
https://web.archive.org/web/20121121082338/https://oxcgn.com/2012/10/18/halo-4-the-legacy-oxcgns-josh-holmes-interview/

The other one, which feels closer to what you were asking, was the one with Bonnie talking about the plans for Halo 4 to be an Xbox One launch title:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/02/27/halo-4-originally-pitched-as-xbox-one-launch-title-ign-unfiltered

[plucky flicker]

I'll look into them.

A week late, but I wrote it down finally. @solid canopy

https://x.com/amedfabre/status/1957691053118541952?t=k0Z-MhXEdT49-iKNtpRpqQ&s=19

[onyx latch]

It's not right to say they are either.

It's schrodinger's humanity.

[glacial tartan]

Its like how game of thrones was actually good for a while

And now look 😄

[rotund zenith]

maybe when the books finish we'll get a game of thrones brotherhood and ill actually watch it

[solid canopy]

You say that like the books will ever be finished

[solid canopy]

Nice

Also I feel like there is a little bit of "Never Forget" in "To Galaxy, but I could be wrong

[plucky flicker]

Huh. Let me see. It's not easy for me to break down melodically dense parts. I'm still learning.

[plucky flicker]

And then there's the comment... He is refusing to see. 😭

[solid canopy]

Though I would like to add that when people say "theres no Halo theme in Halo 4", they are specifically reffering to "Halo"/"Mjolnir Mix"/"The Warthog Run" (and later "The Trials" and "The Road") and there not being a version of that song for the game. To Galaxy and Sacrafice definitely do contain elements but they aren't the proper song

[plucky flicker]

Oh, definitely. I can see that.

[ebon cosmos]

https://youtu.be/s4skV9c0bKc?si=JCdeQ_77rEiY8Gcn

[plucky flicker]

My interest is on seeing the motifs/leitmotifs. I always love it when composers take small existing ideas and expand them into something new rather than remaking what already exists.