halo-discussion

[analog salmon]

and they are ported from the original platforms

they are just ported back in the day and then 343/Saber made improvements to the original PC ports

im a big GOG fan I just dont think it makes sense for MCC. You dont want to sell versions of your game that prevent players from playing together (co-op is a big part of Halo)

[civic sundial]

It also just doesn't make much sense to port them separately when MCC quite literally exists already

Like, I don't know how to impress this upon you when both myself and Recon have explained why they're not going to make standalone ports of the older Halo games for PC

[lofty hemlock]

Personally, I need Halo CE and Halo 2 (original from xbox classic) but better pc window XP & Vista version

Support widescreen aspect ratio 16:9 ~ 21:9 and resolution 4K ~ 8K

[glacial tartan]

Maybe it would help if you elaborated on a very specific example of something missing

Also as someone who plays on an ultrawide I dont know what other resolutions you need

https://i.imgur.com/ASGS16A.jpeg I cant imagine needing more

[crystal iron]

Will they ever fix mcc servers? Like as in playing with friends and what not since when we try playing one of us usually has lag spikes

[glacial tartan]

This isnt an MCC server issue. This is how campaign was written 20 years ago. Its reliant on P2P, not Dedicated servers, so theres always someone who lags (not host) and someone who doesnt (host)

And no, they didnt commit to fix it when MCC was still considered active development. In Maintenance Mode the games never getting that

[crystal iron]

Oohh

What about multiplayer?

[glacial tartan]

Multiplayer (matchmaking / Custom game browser) is all dedicated servers. Custom Games (outside of the CGB) is P2P.

So its Campaign / Custom = P2P
Matchmaking / CGB = Dedicated

[crystal iron]

Aahh ok thank you

[swift cosmos]

Yoooo

[radiant sundial]

custom game browser requires xbox gamepass too

(I speak from unforunate experience as an xbox player)

unless I'm misunderstanding what P2P means

[glacial tartan]

Peer to Peer. Networking model

[radiant sundial]

oh, yeah I def misread that lol, I read it as pay to play

mb

[waxen perch]

what gamesir g7 se do all use in halo?

[civic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/déjàvu-gif-13324239

[frosty condor]

how many times are you going to ask that

[muted brook]

After a fun week and a half, my cousin (self proclaimed hater of shooters) is thoroughly hooked on the series. We got through the first two games and through the wormhole to the ark before he had to leave.

Planning on gifting him MCC so we can finish all the bungie games together

[nova basalt]

Woo

[muted brook]

Forgot how amazing the skyboxes are

Especially how you can visibly observe how it changes the further you get along the ark

[muted brook]

Honestly makes me really hyped for H3A. imagine those beautiful skyboxes with higher resolution. I hope the cutscenes get the same glow up as H2A.

[waxen perch]

as many as need to be asked

[civic sundial]

H3A isn't happening. They've not got plans for one

[muted brook]

Oh, then my brother is a liar. He told me they were planning a release for 2026. Shame on me for not verifying i guess.

[frosty condor]

what is your question even about? it doesn't make sense to me

[civic sundial]

Yeah, hate that when your sibling lies to you

[dusty olive]

Has anyone experienced stuttering for Halo Infinite on PC?

It only starts for me after playing for a bit, wasn't sure if anyone had fixes. I have uninstalled multiplayer textures. My PC is more than good enough to play the game

[wooden briar]

These are the kinds of experiences that are such a joy to hear about. What a great memory: introducing your cousin to the world of Halo and seeing him enjoy it for the first time.

[bright finch]

I’m curious to why people people dislike the MCC ‘new graphics’ on CE & 2

[solemn portal]

It changes the feel and the mood of the levels.
In CEA, the hitboxes for trees are completely busted.
Also, 2A removes objects, which still have collision.
And there's the updated models for weapons and vehicles that are straight out of other Halo games.

And the effects, the damn effects. Boy, I sure love not being able to see anything when my Warthog is fuming or when I'm shooting two Plasma Rifles at the same time, but of which aren't an issue in the original Halo 2. Also, Rocket Launcher and Scorpion explosions from CE are completely misleading, the effect being significantly bigger than the actual area of effect.

[nimble summit]

I got a discussion topic adding Halo 1-5 weapons to infinite and new vehicles

[tulip tusk]

mayb next game

[civic sundial]

Doubt they'll be bringing over all the weapons from older games into Infinite, it'd take allot of work to do

I can see them getting a Plasma Rifle in via reusing player animations from the Plasma Pistol and Needler but they'd still need an animator for the weapon itself

[bright finch]

Thanks for this. As a player who never experienced Halo before MCC, I say I find it enjoyable to be able to switch between versions, but I understand your PoV and it makes a lot of sense.

[rugged quartz]

The resources aren't there for all that right now

[crystal iron]

Miss the Xbox LAN parties. Before that there was Combat Evolved on old computers

[crystal iron]

Any many ways halo is gone

Keeping it alive is something else

[crystal iron]

Wish MLG was still a thing

For halo

[hot marten]

MLG is HCS it still a, thing just different name.

[jade pebble]

I dont think MLG would do things better than HCS is doing them

[hot marten]

It the same rule set just a rebrand

[jade pebble]

its not even a rebrand like MLG has nothing to do with it. Microsoft is running this afaik

which is major because thats a company thats never falling. they can support the comp even at a deficit

[hot marten]

I'm not talking from a company side. I am talking purely game play. As for company side things idk anything. But gameplay MLG plays similar identical to HCS as a gameplay standpoint in esports.

Same rules and regulations just a different name. Ik when 343 took over which is now Halo Studios it turned into Halo Championship Series

[crystal iron]

Major League Gaming

Halo Champions Series

Wish online tournaments Royale was still a thing

[nimble summit]

@civic sundial having the covenant carbine would be great

[civic sundial]

Why did you tag me instead of replying to me talking about how we're not gonna see all weapons come back?

[civic sundial]

I thought we weren't allowed to talk stuff found in the files here

[coarse dagger]

We're not. Data mined stuff is off limits

[nova basalt]

Oh shoot I’m sorry

It’s literally my third day on discord

[glacial tartan]

It has come up over and over again the last few years, I dont know whats allowed to be discussed anymore 😄

Maybe its okay to say you want something to exist but cant allude to whether its ever been worked on. More vehicles added to Infinite would seem like a positive, not sure it will ever materialize though!

[coarse dagger]

Discussing things you would like to see if fine, including things that were in previous games or not in any Halo games.

What can't be discussed is leaked content of any kind, including items data mined / found in code / have not been formally announced.

MCC differs slightly here, as a lot of that information has been surfaced in some way through Digsite and other highlighted modding projects.

[civic sundial]

So as an example, we can talk about stuff like CE's cut SMG or Covenant species, since that's stuff which was publicly revealed to us

[keen silo]

CE was supposed to have an SMG? I don’t know how I feel about that

[civic sundial]

Earlier builds feature it and it was in the Digsite Macworld project as a weapon you could find

I imagine before the AR lost the grenade launcher it was gonna feature, it would've served the role of the AR in the release build of the game

Since the AR also had a smaller magazine size in earlier builds

[keen silo]

Ohhhhh. That makes sense.

[civic sundial]

Aye. It was also basically a Space Sten

[latent acorn]

That’s the AR during the Mac build?

[civic sundial]

No, this was the SMG in the Mac build

I should've been clearer. This is the Mac build AR

[latent acorn]

Oh, I see. Now that is interesting on what the smg would looked like in the Mac build. The AR is close to the design is currently in CE, but few differences.

[civic sundial]

They both had a bunch of different designs before the SMG got cut and the game released in the AR's case

[nimble summit]

Halo needs the SAW back

[bright finch]

Whoever created the mission Cortana needs to be fired 😩 I hate it so much

[civic sundial]

Well that person didn't work at 343/HS as far as I know

[coarse dagger]

That would be Vic Deleon. I fully believe he's physically linked to any mention of this level and is probably laughing maniacally right now >: )

[bright finch]

Hahaha I can imagine lmao. Well Vic Deleon, I hate you 🤣🤣

[coarse dagger]

Actually, Vic did for a while. He worked on Halo 4, 5 and MCC :)

[civic sundial]

I guess I am mistaken

I do recognise the name. Guess I never knew he was responsible for my least favourite level

Did he have a beard? Or am I getting him confused for a different bearded level designer who worked at Bungie and/or 343?

[coarse dagger]

He had a beard, yeah

[bright finch]

And when you think that the mission can’t get worse, you get introduced to these spikey plant things omg

[civic sundial]

I remembered something about his face!

[coarse dagger]

Yep, I also hate this level. Even speed running it, I always get lost and miss the camo

[bright finch]

I actually never used skips until I did Laso runs

[celest heron]

I use the sword and brute shot for that mission. Easy to melee the flood and shoot the stalkers on the walls.

[civic sundial]

I've done a few skips but I'm not well practiced

[bright finch]

when I watched Silver for Laso and Frog later on I was stunned about how much I could skip

[celest heron]

I play it for the weekly challenges.

[bright finch]

Ah, I am doing the achievement where you do that playlist of doing CE, 2, 3,4 on normal

I still need 3,4,Reach on Laso but I am lazy and I hate 3,4 😂

[lofty hemlock]

Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2 Anniversary good chance graphics

But retain cutscene and unchange gameplay

I hoped Halo Studios (formerly 343 industries) re-release Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2 (original from xbox classic) for gog, but enhanced resolution to 4K like xbox backwards on Xbox One X

[civic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/déjàvu-gif-13324239

But also they have zero reason to make standalone rereleases of CE and 2 for Xbox and PC

[lofty hemlock]

Personally, somebody love original than anniversary version (from Halo MCC package)

[glacial tartan]

There are some differences between the "original" and whats on MCC, but they are not wildly different enough that a re-release would be warranted 😄

[lofty hemlock]

At least, if Halo Studios/343 industries re-release Halo: Combat Evolved and Halo 2 (original) for gog, and better pc on windows XP & windows Vista

[civic sundial]

It seems like you're just repeating the same thing over and over in the hopes we'll just agree

Like, I don't think you understand what we're saying, there is no logical reason for them to do standalone rereleases for games which are already on PC via MCC

[coarse dagger]

Not going to happen, sorry

[muted brook]

If i already have a 2-player halo 3 co-op going on MCC, and then try to do co-op with 3 players, will that erase campaign progress?

Like i mean level progression. I'm aware progress within a level isnt saved in co-op

[worthy summit]

yo do any of yall how to fix my halo because everytime I load up the game it always get stuck at the start screen

[uneven bison]

People actually at Hero rank and still rage quitting 😭

Just say you cheesed it bro

[radiant nebula]

I just about ripped my hair out playing halo CE for the first time on heroic difficulty. I've always started new games on the lowest difficulty settings so I can enjoy them and chill, but I stepped out of my comfort zone ONCE to see what halo was all about with the full experience. Lesson learned, I will NEVER do that again.

I don't get what the hype has always been about now, the flood completely ruined the experience.

The story was good, and the combat with the covenant was good. But the moment the flood appeared I had to take 2 weeks of breaks in between 3 days of attempts

How do you people stand the sheer numbers of them that never let you go more than 5 feet without standing in one spot spraying and praying for 5 minutes

[solemn portal]

You have to crowd control with the CE Flood and always be on the move.
Also, for the love of God, stop using the AR.

It's the worst weapon against the Flood, besides the Needler which is just plain bad, and the Snipe Rifle, which has a massive damage debuff towards the Flood.

[radiant nebula]

The needler or sniper is no good whatsoever against them. The AR isn't bad in hallways, you can unload a lotta lead downrange and have the shotgun in case they get too close. But otherwise most weapons aren't much use, explosive weapons are a very bad idea because they constantly move towards you, so grenades or rockets are liable to detonate in your face

With a little luck grenades work but not 100% of the time

[solemn portal]

Learn to love the Plasma Rifle, the Plasma Pistol and the regular Pistol.

[radiant nebula]

I've killed myself throwing a grenade at the flood too often

[radiant nebula]

I like the plasma pistol, the plasma rifle is OK, the regular pistol just aint viable because the scope closes the moment you take damage

Unfortunately every time I faced the flood the only weapons I had consistent ammo available for was the AR and shotgun tho

Because that's what they use against me, so I can loot the ammo and weapons easier

[solemn portal]

All of which are more effective against the Flood than the AR.
Also, you don't need to use the scope for the Pistol. It works just fine without it and it kills Flood combat forms in about 3 shots.

[radiant nebula]

Eh, the scope makes it easier to hit them from a safe distance tho

I found the AR to be better in the long run, especially since the flood is faced indoors a lot of the time, so that hallway mag dump method worked rather well

[solemn portal]

It works just fine at close range.

[radiant nebula]

The hard part was just how they blocked your path with sheer numbers. I was constantly being forced to retreat a short distance just to keep up the fight

[solemn portal]

I fail to see the issue here. Floods are melee centric.

That's why you always gotta be on the move.

[radiant nebula]

It was just too difficult on heroic for a first time player

That's my point.

I've only ever played a little bit of halo infinite and I think a tiny bit of halo 2 multiplayer as a kid, that was it.

[solemn portal]

I don't wanna say it, but that sounds like a "skill issue".

The Flood overwhelms. You have to adapt.

[radiant nebula]

I literally have less than 20 hours total in the MCC. You clearly forgot what it feels like to be new at a game

ngl I hate people who ever use that argument even once in their lives, because it's the cheapest argument to use...

Everyone has different playstyles, there's no such thing as a "skill issue" unless you're new, and then it's just a lack of experience, not a skill issue

[solemn portal]

And I adapted just fine to the Guilty Spark, the Library and the other Flood levels back in the day. And many others did.
It sounds like you're having difficulty because you refuse to let go of the AR, which doesn't have much stopping power.

[radiant nebula]

I did adapt

I beat CE already. Just a few minutes ago

It took a frustrating amount of attempts, like I said.

And I did it with the AR mostly, because it worked better for my strategy

I just had to learn from each attempt and plan ahead. Like the rest of you. I'm simply wondering how it doesn't ruin the experience for the rest of yall because it gets extrodinarily frustrating after the first 30 attempts

[solemn portal]

Sounds like you were square pegging a round hole.
The Shotgun is better than the AR for close range. You should have focused on the Pistol, Plasma Rifle or the Plasma Pistol for longer range encounters.

[radiant nebula]

I never said the shotgun wasn't better.

[solemn portal]

The Shotgun makes the AR obsolete against the Flood. You should have used the Shotgun in combination of one of the 3 other aforementioned weapons. You made the game significantly harder on yourself.

[radiant nebula]

The AR worked perfectly fine for mowing down Flood in those hallways — medium range is exactly where it works best. Shotguns are great up close, obviously, but in narrow corridors, mag dumping with the AR was more consistent and effective.

Honestly, you’re just circling back to the same point without actually addressing what I’m saying. I’m done here.

The point stands that I will never trust a game on the "authentic" difficulty again.

[solemn portal]

You're playing it wrong. That's why it took you "30 attempts".

[radiant nebula]

Pretty sure there’s no ‘wrong’ way to shoot guns.

This is halo. You shoot guns and kill things. Not solve elaborate puzzles the right or wrong way

Some things are more effective in one way or another but a gun is a gun

[solemn portal]

Not all guns are effective in every encounter... Especially the pea shooter known as the CE Assault Rifle.

[radiant nebula]

It worked fine in the hallways, like I’ve said several times now. The AR isn’t anything to laugh at in the tight corridors when the other end is packed with a horde of flood.

Which was around a third of my encounters with the flood since entering an open room with them will get you surrounded in seconds.

So I simply lured them into the hallways and mag dumped, which left nothing more than a pile of corpses in my path.

[solemn portal]

If it's so good, then why did it take you "30 attempts"?

[radiant nebula]

Specifically BECAUSE of being out in the open. Half the game is moving through hallways, the other half being a sitting duck with little to no cover.

You also can't pick and choose a loadout in the middle of a pile of flood bodies. They prefer human weapons, so you take what you can get.

[solemn portal]

The Flood aren't known to be particularly difficult at range, especially out in the open. That would be a Covenant problem, not a Flood one.

[radiant nebula]

If I find a plasma pistol or rifle and I know we're out in the open then yeah, perfectly viable, but half the time those weapons were not available.

They were mostly available right up until the flood showed up. And I used them a lot

Perfect for longer ranges, but by the time I ran out, the only other weapon around was an AR

Again. you take what you can get. And an AR was what I got most of the time when weapons mattered the most.

They aren't too difficult to face out in the open UNLESS you get surrounded. Which tends to happen the moment you fire one shot, because they spawn all over the place.

That one shot is like putting a sign over your head that shouts "I'M RIGHT HERE COME SURROUND ME"

So unless you play on the lowest difficulty or mod a silencer into the game, your entire arguments are the opposite of what I experienced through my entire playthrough.

[solemn portal]

Then walk back? The Flood levels are pretty damn open, with very few hard blocks besides the Library.

[radiant nebula]

Weapons despawn eventually, especially if you die and respawn, which was all too common an occurrence when you don't know what you're walking into

Now, if you'll excuse me, halo 2 is done installing, ima go play that now instead of wasting my time here in an infinite loop

[solemn portal]

Weapon "caches" don't despawn though. You can basically walk back to the beginning of Two Betrayals if you're crazy enough and still get ammo there.

[wooden briar]

Hope you enjoy 2! It's an outstanding expansion of the world introduced in CE.

[radiant nebula]

I mean, halo ce was fun ASIDE from the flood's sheer numbers so if the flood isn't nearly as bad in 2 I'm sure it'll be a lotta fun

[wooden briar]

It's so much more built out, thought out, and better laid out. Truly believe you'll have a blast with it!

[solemn portal]

They hit harder in melee. You will enjoy the Oracle level. :^)

[rotund zenith]

You can always lower the difficulty with no shame to it. Easy and normal are what id recommend to someone who's new to halo and honestly i think there's some gameplay experiences you miss out on going straight to heroic

Especially as the games go on and stuff like keeping marines alive gets more interesting

[celest heron]

I can see how you'd have issues since you're new. unfortunately, you kinda have to know when to stand and shoot, throw nades or just run and gun against them for it to be easier and more fun.

bad news, but I've always found the flood to be more annoying in h2.

[solemn portal]

They are also stronger overall. At both melee and ranged.

[onyx latch]

Embed fail...

[bright finch]

Are you sure?

[coarse dagger]

Yeah, that's not something we need to discuss here

[crystal iron]

I hope they actually go back to the halo mega bloks game and release it to steam and what not 🙏

[civic sundial]

That project is dead and likely not worth trying to revive, especially since it seems like we're not getting any Mega sets any time soon

[jade pebble]

dont understand why they went with mega blocks instead of lego

[civic sundial]

Because Lego didn't want to make Halo stuff due to concerns about their image. It's not like it was just a case of Microsoft going with Mega over Lego

[jade pebble]

its weird since they have a bunch of stuff thats on par with halo on sort of "violence"

star wars even more violent in some ways

lowkey messed up premise in "jabbas palace" lego sets when you think about it

[coarse dagger]

Policies around the use of realistic modern and military weaponry. There are certain things that LEGO will and have permitted, but a lot of Halo's stuff likely wouldn't be allowed even today.

[winged spade]

That isn't related to militia violence

[jade pebble]

Id argue depicting a brothel is more problematic than militia violence

[rustic mason]

I have a question

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1298119704329715732/1378011505412538429/image.png?ex=683b0cb9&is=6839bb39&hm=d95de218458a0121dd8f5683dbd0a3d4e15cfdef35651989de7b82e8606ee50d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=766&height=774

How can they see though the visor?

[onyx latch]

VISR sensors can function with plating in the way of most standard viewing apetures.

[jade pebble]

never understood why all helmets dont just do that. seem like a pretty serious point of failure to have a regular visor

other than swag

[civic sundial]

Rule of cool is why some don't do it

[jade pebble]

right yea

[rustic mason]

Yeah don't get it why they cover up the whole face and visor

Literally strap a frickin plate on your helmet

[jade pebble]

oh yeah its strangely redundant but Im also saying having a visor in the first place seems crazy

idk if having the visor under removable plating is better if the systems giving you vision fail

[rustic mason]

I'd imagine in a realistic situation, wearing the helmet it's just black and dark you cant see nun

[onyx latch]

Halo is not a realistic situation, but even if it was, the concept of a sensor system (Because visors are not windows) seeing through plate adhered to it is not that far fetched, depending on the extra sensor systems we know it uses and MJOLNIR has passively.

After all, if you complain about this, you also complain about LOCUS.

[rustic mason]

By realistic I mean in a cosplay situation

[onyx latch]

Eh. Sensors and cameras can be hidden.

[rustic mason]

i wonder if someone actually made a locus cosplay

[onyx latch]

Yup

[rustic mason]

I wish the VISR equipment was in Infinite

[civic sundial]

Red Vs Blue fans definitely have. Lots of people love Locus (The character)

[jade pebble]

I think itd only be this if the systems fail, which is why I see reason for having any kinda typical visor behind it as a fail safe. if the systems fail on something like locus youre screwed for sure

[winged spade]

Except Jabba’s Palace isn’t a brothel, it’s a crime lord lair, the issue had nothing to do with military violence, but more so cultural issues and SW isn't exactly a saint of imagery, it has slavery, crime, and literal wars

[rustic mason]

Yeaaa

[jade pebble]

sure but it depicts those that work in said place. and like I said star wars is more messed up than halo in some aspects like the ones you mentioned here. which is exactly why its ironic that lego is ok with that and has gone as far as depicting these things in sets while not wanting halo on their image

youve kind of missed my point clearly because youve just made it for me, trying to argue me on it. kinda backwards

[civic sundial]

I don't think they were referring to Jabba's Palace

Like, Andor season 1 opens up in a brothel

[jade pebble]

I was in that instance but sure that does happen a lot in the media

[winged spade]

I probably am missing your point because it's not making sense, you can clarify if you want

[jade pebble]

the distinction between a brothel and a crime lord lair is kind of a useless one imo

[jade pebble]

read up where this conversation started

idk what to tell you bro

[wraith pivot]

is halo 4 worth playing?

[olive brook]

its pretty fun

[solemn portal]

No.

[onyx latch]

Well, it's a Halo game, so yes.

You miss out more if you skip 4 than Reach tbh

[wooden briar]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-definitely-agree-blanche-devereaux-golden-girls-gif-27025299

[wraith pivot]

I mean halo 5 is certainly a halo game and I'm still planning on skipping it

[onyx latch]

I think that's a mistake, but hey, good for you, you are an entity with free will who is capable of enacting it.

[wraith pivot]

is halo 5 not... well... bad?

[onyx latch]

It's fine.

Youtubers are normally grifters so I wouldn't put too much stock in their opinion and people here tend to whinge about it a ton, but then again, it's Discord.

I'm pretty sure it's playable on Gamepass, either way, so you have nothing to lose but time if you have an Xbox and decide to play it.

[jade pebble]

halo old heads like to pile into anything that isnt halo 3

[onyx latch]

Saying something is free on Gamepass is silly because most people don't have gamepass, and gamepass isn't free. Whoops.

[wraith pivot]

anyone who dunks halo infinite will have to answer to me 😎 (I understand what people dislike about it and will respect any opinion that differs to mine)

I guess I'll try halo 5 out if I can considering it's free on the gamepass anyway

[onyx latch]

It's funny that my biggest issue with 5, by far, is the tight FOV.

[shadow turret]

Infinite is my personal fave MP tbh
Campaign isn't terrible either but there's def ones I prefer to it

[wraith pivot]

personally I only play halo games for the campaign

Fernando Esparza will remain my favorite character in all of Halo

[shadow turret]

Fair
Campaigns just get kinda repetitive to me after a while

[civic sundial]

Halo 5 has some really solid gameplay and level design. Plus it had an SMG at launch, which is a good thing for people like me

[celest heron]

I think they nerfed it if I'm remembering correctly.

[civic sundial]

They sadly did in the weapon tuning update

Which was what? Mid 2017? So we at least got nearly two years of it being nearly perfect

[fierce terrace]

prob won’t get a response, but one can hope
going for h3 legendary times. i saw in an Eli video where he skipped the like third wave of Crows Nest hangar by leaving early
i’ve tried it, idk what im doing wrong
any tips?
(ik this is an Infinite server, but the r/halo server is dead, and im not in any others; not rlly part of the community, js a solo achievement runner)

[civic sundial]

This server isn't just for Halo Infinite, it's the official Halo Discord for all Halo games

Have you watched any videos from any Halo Speedrunners? They might have some good tips and tricks to help with Crow's Nest hangar and other sections too

[fierce terrace]

i have, they just don’t break down the trick

watching a guy with a 1:08 time for whole campaign, and even HE doesn’t skip the wave

could it’ve been a glitch that was patched?

[glacial tartan]

I cant suggest HaloCompletionist enough, his content helped me get to 700/700 🙂

I dont know the specific trick sorry

[dense flower]

It’s actually pretty good.

[fierce terrace]

i use his guides alot

[dense flower]

Of the original 3, Halo 3 is the worst one in terms of story.

[fierce terrace]

js sometimes his runs are hella rng carried, so i spend an extra 10m over par cuz of the rng he gets

[wraith pivot]

Really?

I was told halo 3 outclassed every halo game in terms of that

[fierce terrace]

i personally gotta say h2>h3>h1

[dense flower]

They’re wrong. H2 is peak fiction thanks to Joe.

[wraith pivot]

Halo 3 truly is better than halo 3

[fierce terrace]

typo go brr

[wraith pivot]

Well can't wait to reach halo 2

Get it? Reach?

[fierce terrace]

but still, h2 is arguably the best halo if not for the enemy tuning
halo 3 was great story wise, and the graphics were pretty good for its time

now, of all time, i gotta say that reach was lowk goated

[civic sundial]

I'm usually all in on puns but that one was just not good at all

[uneven bison]

Whoever said 3 has a better story than 2 is wasted

[fierce terrace]

yeah
h2 clears all the others in story, but 3 and reach are a close second imo

[wraith pivot]

😎 💔

[fierce terrace]

gameplay-wise, i feel like reach is a little better. the one singular thing i hate is the bloom and that sprint is on cooldown (that’s 2, but leave me alone)

[wraith pivot]

Does halo infinite's campaign beat any other halo game at... anything?

I just need my glorious king to get at least one W 😔

[uneven bison]

It has the best chief but other than that no

[wraith pivot]

I'd argue it has the best characters personally

[uneven bison]

6 years of development for a million copy pasted trees and tiles

[fierce terrace]

gameplay maybe

[wraith pivot]

No character comes close to the epic Fernando Esparza

[fierce terrace]

grapple carried that game till it’s back broke, icl

[uneven bison]

Reminds me of bfv a bit

[fierce terrace]

i do like the movement and stuff tho, feels like a good mix between modern and classic

[uneven bison]

Fun to play for a bit but it gets you depressed knowing how good it could’ve been

[wraith pivot]

Did anyone else just really dislike the idea of infinite from the beginning being halo for the next decade?

[fierce terrace]

not rlly

i’m the kinna guy that makes (a positive) opinion first, then changes my mind over time due to peer pressure

[glacial tartan]

Its similar to every 343 product - need to set your expectations appropriately

[wraith pivot]

Personally I only play for the campaigns and being left on a cliffhanger for 10 years would... suck

[glacial tartan]

Assume it will launch, have major problems for a while, eventually it will be decent a few years later before they move on to the next thing and repeat

[uneven bison]

The game is a virtual graveyard of ideas

New things growing then cut at the moment of divergence

[wraith pivot]

It's called infinite because that's what its potential was

[civic sundial]

You know that's most games, right? Like, it's the same few trees throughout an environment and almost every environment utilises tilable textures because it's just the most logical thing to do

Heck, on The Covenant in Halo 3, all the rocks are the exact same rock. Reusing environment assets is like one of the core things you do in a game

[uneven bison]

My general, wide sweeping criticism isn’t indicative of a genuine criticism

You want a specific problem? Let’s look at the open world.
There are about 6 or 7 big structures give or take, everything else is some variation of: “ravine, grassy hill, crash, and mountain stream”

Which would not be as big a problem as it is, if there were other things to do then look around at the scenery, unfortunately, every single combat encounter is either random, or a predetermined 5 minute battle in which you might struggle for a bit

And none of the design matters because the grapple lets me do whatever I want

A good open world game feels alive and changes depending on your course of action during gameplay

[civic sundial]

This feels disingenuous because you're purposely leaving out details like the side objectives, such as the HVTs, Marine Squads and Banished Outposts. I'm not saying Infinite's open world is perfect by any means, but acting like it's just some barren wasteland with nothing to do is just incorrect

[uneven bison]

It’s not incorrect because those all don’t take very long

They don’t change anything

Eventually you’ll end up going back to some underground gray and blue section running through hallways fighting the same 5 enemies

[civic sundial]

What do you want from the game, each objective on the map to take 40 minutes?

[uneven bison]

The valor system in particular kills any sort of incentive to even do those anyway

[uneven bison]

If it’s fleshed out and contributes, and is also 40 minutes that’s fine

A 5 minute random encounter that’s genuinely supporting instead of a janky phantom drop would be nice too

Random checkpoints on roads that aren’t even in your way to something isn’t what I’d call reason to explore

I don’t despise halo infinite as you probably can infer

But I am frustrated by the incessant fumbling along the way

[bright finch]

Pls, don’t we all need this?

[onyx latch]

Grapple is my biggest problem with Infinite's campaign design tbh.

[radiant nebula]

If I remember correctly what the grapple was I think it was pretty neat. I only played a few hours of it on an xbox once but it was great for mobility.
It might not be what the diehard fans are used to but new isn't always a bad thing

Besides, the earlier halo games had crap for mobility. Not even so much as sprinting

More mobility is the norm in modern day games, a grappling hook in halo infinite is a good thing imo

Kinda like how just cause had one. It was honestly one of the few things that made just cause bearable, the rest of the gameplay is just... average.

[onyx latch]

My issue is that it trivialized movement, not that it was a bad fit.

I like the grapple mechanics, but it is not something that should have been as spammable as it is.

[bright finch]

You are refering to the grapple while on the ground to ground further ahead right?

[uneven bison]

It should’ve been a method of traversing difficult terrain instead of base kit

I’m not opposed to armor abilities and it’s not that bad in multiplayer but I think there should be an aspect of difficulty in campaign still

[onyx latch]

One of, but not all, of the ways you can spam it.

[uneven bison]

And the grapple is basically a way to pass by a lot of thought that helped make the flow of previous games much smoother

As clunky as the “slow” aspect of other campaigns was it flowed well and was adaptable

(I say slow because I don’t have a better way to describe it, if you think halo is slow you need to play more games)

[bright finch]

I just wish that I had a grapple in H4 and H3 so the torture could’ve been over faster..

[uneven bison]

Why 3

Of all the games I think 3 doesnt need it

[bright finch]

Because I find it a terrible game in comparison to CE & 2

[uneven bison]

In what aspect?

I’m genuinely curious as to why you think that

[bright finch]

The gameplay feels like a drag, I’ve done quite some playthroughs and it made me want to quit almost every mission except the final one which I kind of enjoyed. Too many different weapons, too many vehicle missions(I never checked the actual stats for like what % of the game you are in a vehicle etc. But you get my point). Fighting big things like the spider robots you destroy was just not my cup of tea and I didn’t feel like I had to do this at all in CE & 2. Not to mention that Cortana is perhaps the most horrible mission created, but I actually can’t put that in there because I find that too much of an opinon based on the lack of my ability to check where to go.

I disliked the ability to have those armor ish abilities that provide shields, life regen etc. Imo, less is more.

This just from on top of my head.

Maybe it helps that I don’t like brutes and H3 had much more brutes than 2.

[uneven bison]

Interesting

See I actually love the vehicle missions in 3

[bright finch]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 this is what I hear from people who like 3 a lot and that is fine and the fact that there is such an agreement about that aspect means they did the right thing.

[glacial tartan]

Out of curiosity did you play H3 when it was first out or more recently?

[uneven bison]

I think they’re an example of how to properly change map scale in accordance with experience

You will enjoy tsavo highway and the storm so much more using the vehicles given to you

[bright finch]

I played Halo for the first time in the end of 2021 and I started playing it like a few days after I finished H2 Legendary so my first playthrough was legendary also. I didn’t like how the difficulty curve went quite down also.

[uneven bison]

It’s another bungie over correction

Yes the scaling in 2 was bad but they turned it way down in 3

[glacial tartan]

Interesting, thanks for answering 🙂 I asked because the context of the other games around it really matters in my mind. Sort of like how people say CEs campaign didnt age well (which I do agree with to a point) but considering it at the time is totally different 😄

[bright finch]

I still love CE and I can play that game anytime in any mood

Even Library 😂

[muted brook]

Can my friend not play online campaign with me if he doesn't have gamepass? I gifted him MCC for $30 but now it's not letting him join

[tulip tusk]

I was thinking that Halo may never get boats or a map with water combat bc Spartans would just sink horribly in water. Unless it's like an ODST Battlefield game or Spartans get some bulbous buoyancy armor

Innies or others should make underwater bases with shields they would be fine

Maybe some toilet traps for armored foes just flush them down into ocean

[muted brook]

I think a spartan would be able to get in. Sure they sink, but they can just walk on the seabed over to the base and break in.

[rotund zenith]

Halo finally gets boats but its only for a chesthigh bayou mission

[crystal iron]

True but if it was to be revived icl i think theyd make quite abit of money from it

[bright finch]

Finally did ‘Life Story’ achievement 😄

[radiant nebula]

I've played terraria so I never considered grapple spamming as an issue lmao

But I can see where you're coming from

[short light]

Man I genuinely hope they get Kelly Gay to write the Infinite sequel, her writing is so good. Plus, Edge of Dawn seems like it’s going to lead into Halo 7 so we can only hope!

[lost trellis]

I'm just sick of stories never being finished in their games. Halo 4 finsihed with a comic, Halo 5 had it's plot resolved off-screen, now Infinite is getting a book to wrap it up. Even Halo Wars 2 ending with a novel as well despite getting DLC. It feels like Halo has suffered 13 years of indecision. No one seems to be able to just write and finish a story they made.

[short light]

That’s my main concern with Edge of Dawn, I’m so scared that they’ll wrap up Infinite’s story so that Halo 7 can have yet another repeat enemy. Although statements over the past year does seem to imply that they are interested in continuing the endless plot line

[muted brook]

Who would you want in a chief-less spinoff game?

[solemn portal]

Me.
The Halo universe we see in the games feels pretty small since it's always about the Chief and some variation of Cortana.

[muted brook]

Not entirely true. We get characters like the arbiter, noble team, buck and the ODSTs, and *sigh* I suppose fireteam osiris is cannon as well so they deserve a mention. Honestly a good character set might be the arbiter, the pair of extra player elites from halo 3, and Vale from osiris, in like a sangheli centric campaign.

Maybe exploring some of the deeper culture and backstory of the elites, and following thel 'vadam ('vaddam?) Trying to give back the title of arbiter its original meaning and status.

[solemn portal]

Isn't the "Arbiter" an Hierarch creation? Its original meaning and status would be a mark of shame.

[muted brook]

No, the arbiter was originally the warrior-king of sanghelios, but the prophets made the arbiter a title of shame because the arbiter at the time of unification resisted.

[autumn thistle]

I see no reason to assume Edge of Dawn will do this. Given it’s compared to First Strike and touches on Lucas Browning, it sounds like it’s wrapping up threads from Rubicon Protocol and getting things set up for the next Halo.

[autumn forum]

any good books for novice Halo lore ?

[onyx latch]

I'd be stoked with another Locke+Tanaka story. Osiris is mostly out due to Vale and Buck leaving, but an ad-hoc team adding two members from Majestic would make sense.

[muted brook]

To be honest Vale and Buck are the two members I actually liked.

[radiant sundial]

fireteam majestic would be nice to see return, or maybe one of the fireteams mentioned in infinite that we know nothing about

[onyx latch]

And they were the members I found the least interesting ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty wraith]

I liked Vale the least. The Elite/Sangheili obsession came off a little too corny and on the nose

[fierce pollen]

anyone else having bad lag at the moment in infinite?

[civic sundial]

They did not say the novel is going to wrap up everything Infinite set up

[autumn thistle]

Like, I can understand thinking that given 343's history. But a glance at the synopsis makes it pretty clear there is a primary story [save Lucas Browning] and if anything is resolved its elements from Rubicon Protocol. I'd make the prediction that what will likely happen is that the SOS signal sent out at the end of Rubicon Protocol will result in a UNSC rescue force coming at the end of the novel. This then sets us up for the start of the next game. Add a introductory cutscene of Chief saving soldiers, killing Banished, and such at the start explaining his post-Infinite routine, have the UNSC show up, and BAM the next game starts.

[kind wigeon]

I love halo

[civic sundial]

Aye, I imagine the main things in the novel will be save/attempt to save Lucas, Chief reuniting with UNSC forces already on the ring, showing us how Banished leaders are reacting to the loss of Escharum and Harbinger and Atriox's return, Weapon's name since it would be weird if she is still going by "The Weapon" through the novel after the final scene of Infinite's campaign (Please let her be Joyeuse and not Cortana) and maybe reinforcements arriving. Personally, hoping the SOS signal was picked up by Swords of Sanghelios, not because I want Arbiter to show up personally, but because having it be the SOS instead of the UNSC being the primary group providing support to Chief would be pretty unique

[rigid herald]

They might as well just give up on games and go full with the books then.

They appear to be more competent in that department it seems.

[muted brook]

Why was chief sleeping in the start of CE? Is it because slipspace travel takes long enough that it would cut into the useful time of combat personnel?

If so, then why was he only asleep in CE? there are other times where he should have as well

Like when the In Amber Clad followed regret's ship through slipspace.

[civic sundial]

Basically this but it may be better to ask that question in #lore-and-universe

[muted brook]

Oh, ok

[mystic mauve]

Xbox in a nutshell

I want to play halo, I download halo infinite, get stuck at game launcher because of stupid issues with authentication in msft settings, give up trying to break my PC to fix it, delete the game

I plug in my Xbox one, pull out my halo 3 disc, Xbox revokes access to halo 3 disc, tells me nothing, I look it up online, download MCC collection, requires gamepass subscription

I delete everything and go back to playing steam games and conclude halo is a dead franchise

[autumn thistle]

👍

[tame moth]

Halo 3 disc should work, it does for me

[mystic mauve]

Try it, I don’t think it works without MCC

It simply will not play

[tame moth]

Strange

[mystic mauve]

Don’t even get an error code, nothing happens, then I look it up and says there is no compatibility

Like every halo should be backwards compatible without porting it into MCC

That is absurd, they literally own the game

[solemn portal]

Fun fact: you don't own the data on the disc.

[stray dagger]

They are all backwards compatible (except CE and 2)

[mystic mauve]

They are not

Plug in your halo 3 disc without owning gamepass or MCC

[tame moth]

They are, just seems to not work for you

Did you get any update of any kind for the disc

[mystic mauve]

Nothing happens whatsoever

I put the disc in and get no msg

Every other 360 disc that is backwards compatible fires right up

I don’t have live, gamepass or MCC

The only thing I haven’t tried was disconnecting from the internet

The disc doesn’t have a scratch on it

[stray dagger]

Halo3 is literally installed on my series X and I can put in the disc and play whenever I want.

[visual lava]

Are there any Halo Infinite xp farms. Or does it just amount to "play game and do weekly challenges"

[inner prawn]

I thought those were?

[stray dagger]

As far as I know, they were only back compat on the 360, but I don't think that transfered to XboxOne.

[tame moth]

Nope

[inner prawn]

I know they were on 360
I don't know a single Original Xbox game that I could put the disc in and play.
Actually I'm going to look it up because now I'm curious

You're right I can't use the discs

[stray dagger]

I know there are definitely some OG Xbox games that were playable on 360 but not Xbox One and up. I can play my copy of Mega Man Anniversary Collection on my 360 but not my Series X.

[inner prawn]

There's a few OG Xbox games you can.
Fusion Frenzy is one

But since everything is digital my disc collection is just collecting dust unless I bust out my old consoles

[analog salmon]

They imo needlessly limited the OG Xbox back compat

Games that didn’t get digital listing very rarely got back compat

On One/Series

Halo CE got delisted after CEA I think, and 2 was never listed

Not a huge deal but I wish they targeted as much of the 360 back compat catalogue as possible

360 back compat is a bit jank, you do get 720p in some games but halo 2 has issues for example

[civic sundial]

Firefight. It's not perfect but it's the best for grinding exp

[dim basin]

If everyone thinks about it, halo reach’s destruction could have been prevented easily

[solemn portal]

...
Let's hear it...

[dim basin]

Think about it, the UNSC had the tech and everything to build better defences around reach

[solemn portal]

Elaborate.

[short flower]

I’ve been noticing frame drops on halo 2 (being played on Xbox 360). Older game, newer system. It’s like trying to keep up. Not a problem though.

Frames really just drop when in combat heavy sections.

[small magnet]

Are CE and 2 (regular) basically dead in social games in the MCC?

[solemn portal]

2? It's decently popular during the American evening and night hours.
CE BTB is dead, but still somewhat popular in the Custom Game Browser.

[deft sun]

Noob question, do Halo and CoD share slang terms (eg chalked, WorldStar, etc)?

[tame moth]

No

[deft sun]

Ah… ok then, thought they might.

[civic sundial]

Yeah, you're gonna need to elaborate on this, because everything we know doesn't point to the UNSC having the tech to have prevented Reach from falling

[short flower]

So Uprising is even extremely frustrating on normal… GIVE ME A CHANCE

(Playing old version of 2)

Why give a shotgun to a brute???

[tame moth]

Because, The Funny

[short flower]

I hate how normal has to make this one of the most frustrating missions of all time.

[deft sun]

Fun fact, in Infinite, FRET is voiced by Robbie Daymond, the voice of SwaySway in Breadwinners

[short flower]

Finally got up top, I’ve had enough of this garbage mission

oh top skip thank god you finally worked

[civic sundial]

Oh yeah, Halo 2 has terrible balancing issues within the campaign. Bungie crunched a bunch when making it and just didn't properly balance it

[short flower]

And high charity took a shorter time for me than uprising…

[neon vapor]

Robbie Daymond is in a lot of stuff
Chai in hi fi rush
Vergil in devil may cry anime
Slayer suit in doom
Scar in arcane
River in cyberpunk
Etc.

It’s always fun going down VA rabbit holes cause you always find the most random stuff
You mean to tell me my serious killer robot is in some random Minecraft series?

[runic lily]

Hi all, random question about MCC - I've had two Halo 3 acheivements pop recently that I definitely did NOT earn. I can't remember the exact levels but I was surprised when I got them. I think they were:

• Finish Floodgate without dying
• Finish the Ark without getting in a vehicle

I most definitely didn't get these - but they showed up as soon as I finished the levels. Has this happened to anyone else?

I think, I might have saved and quit the game close to the end of each level and then came back later. In that last playthrough I didn't die or get in a vehicle - so maybe the achievement detecting bug only counted my gameplay from the last point I loaded the level?

[frosty condor]

What’s the question 😝

[rotund zenith]

2nd sentence of 2nd paragraph

[civic sundial]

He's also great as a cat most curious from the Ever After and as a certain Detective Prince

[analog salmon]

you got it right yes

[runic lily]

That's a hell of a loophole. I'm guessing they'll be plugging it soon?

[frosty condor]

damn I totally read over that, my bad!

Recon18 answered your question - glad you found the loop hole lmao 😄

[dense flower]

Yeah, in a vacuum that makes sense. But you have to understand that at that point we had been fighting for 30 years, and any resources that could be used to defend a planet that at that point was very protected would be better spent elsewhere like defending or evacuating a planet that’s being actively invaded.

[celest heron]

doubt it, but congrats on the free cheevos.

[half crow]

sup

which book should i read for this gamre to get it started

[silent slate]

Hey guys, Is halo 5 making a comeback? I swear I just saw a YT video. Apparently, mp and warzone have been updated and queueing into games is much quicker now.

[coarse dagger]

No updates to the game have been published as far as I know

[solemn portal]

That's manufactured hype from content "creators".

[silent slate]

Aww man.

[rotund zenith]

Fall of Reach is very foundational though you do need to reconcile that it tells a different series of event than Halo Reach the game.
Contact Harvest is fantastic and tells the story of first contact between humanity and the covenant.
Ghosts of Onyx is also really good but its followed up by a trilogy by a different author and i struggled to get through the first book of that and gave up on the second.
If you played Halo 3 then I'd recommend Hunters in the Dark, its got some awesome scenes and features elites being elite while being mostly standalone from what i remember.

[turbid root]

Soo… when are those Halo Wars 2 dev tools dropping? 😁?

[frosty condor]

[lofty gazelle]

Hello everyone. Please tell me how to register my team in the game, there is nothing on the site

[civic sundial]

What do you mean "register my team"? You don't need to form a team to launch multiplayer, matchmaking will find you a team

[dull haven]

Like..ready up?

[celest heron]

Are talking about hcs?

[lofty hemlock]

Sadly, Halo Studios/343 Industries never port Halo 5 for Xbox Series X/S and PC

[civic sundial]

The game can be played on the Series X/S, it just doesn't have a full PC port

[bright finch]

Question, Halo 4 Spartan Ops, how enjoyable and challenging are these on Legendary in comparison to like the campaign of all halo games?

[civic sundial]

Take my advice, use Bandanna and Acrophobia, both those skulls will make it far easier

[bright finch]

Aight will do brother 🙂 I am annoyed that there are AI ‘teammates’ who can’t keep their behinds out of a vehicle lol

[civic sundial]

You mean the marines?

[bright finch]

Yes

I need to make sure they die all so I can use certain vehicles from a distance. Annoying that I cannot control them

[civic sundial]

With Acrophobia on and a heavy weapon like a SPNKr or Fuel Rod, you can do fly bys on enemies

[bright finch]

Aight I will start with that when I am up for it. My brain is toasted and I am just doing some braindead playing with Guns of Fury. Fun game btw

[civic sundial]

Fair

Also beam rifle is OP with Bandanna turned on, you will just shread shields and infantry with it

[bright finch]

I am looking forward to the challenge. I cannot muster to do LASO atm but this seems like a good replacement until then

[summer aspen]

Halo 5 works fine on the Xbox Series S / X, and it already has a 4k update to it. Works fine on the Series X.

[celest heron]

I didn't find it fun at all and was just a slog to get them done. only good thing was you get more lore.

[solemn portal]

It's torture.
The cheevo ain't worth it.

[fossil harbor]

If there’s an achievement, it’s worth it.

[muted brook]

Me and my cousin are now on reach after finishing the bungie trilogy, and boy is he about to get hit by a bag of bricks. Kat is his favorite, because she's the most intelligent, and we just got to New Alexandria. He predicted Jorge's death, but he thinks the rest of the team will die in the following order: Emile, Kat, Carter, 6. It hurts me inside knowing what's about to happen.

Especially considering she has the most unexpected death.

[brave pond]

Well, wouldn't want to deny your friend one of the most profound gut-punches Reach will deliver. 'Happy for them

[muted brook]

Oh I definitely won't spoil it.

[brave pond]

Oh, for sure. Didn't mean to imply that. I just meant they won't be prepared for it, given their anticipated order. So they'll still feel it.

I personally am not one for trying to anticipate that kind of thing... just flow with it, see what the writers/developers made, no expectations.

[radiant sundial]

when you send a hand written letter to Halo Studios office (I don't actually know this just seemed like a cool idea, you're free to try it out just don't make them make posts asking people to stop sending them letters)

[turbid root]

LOL omgg, yess
this is my destiny

[muted brook]

Wierd thought. Jorge might still be alive. The slipspace bomb was effective because it opened a wormhole that transported everything inside its radius either to some random destination or just dumped it to spend eternity in slipstream space. So, theoretically, Jorge could be alive still. The corvette he was on should have slipspace capability and thus be able to survive sliptream space, so as long as he can source food and water beyond what his suit can hold, he should just be chilling aboard the corvette either lost in slipstream space or just in some random part of the galaxy.

[tame moth]

Random part, but that means supplies

[muted brook]

He has an entire covenant corvette of supplies (once he conveniently removes the remaining occupants)

Whatever jackals eat might not taste the best, but food is food

[tame moth]

But that was decades ago

[muted brook]

There's also the wreckage of half a CSO supercarrier just sitting there full of supplies. (Assuming it got teleported to the same place, which it should have because it was the same wormhole)

So, sometime in the distant future, a post-covenant multi-species exploration group crewed up with covenant species and humans runs onto Jorge surviving in the corvette and wreckage, and now Jorge has to try his best to not kill all of the aliens because he's just learning the war has been over for 30 years. Meanwhile an actual alien conspiracy is taking place aboard the ship, which would cause confusion both about whether or not the aliens are killable and which ones need killing. Look at that! A book plot!

Well, more like a book synopsis

An actual plot would need a lot more workshoping.

[civic sundial]

The bomb tore everything within its radius apart. Jorge is dead

[civic sundial]

Reach takes place in the same year as the original trilogy, it was not decades before

[tame moth]

Talking present time

[keen silo]

Jorge is super mega dead. Even if we assume the chunk of corvette Jorge is on somehow is capable of surviving the slipstream, the sheer radiation from the bomb? More than enough to atomize Jorge.

[tame moth]

In halo

[civic sundial]

Infinite isn't multiple decades after Reach, it's just under 8 years

[tame moth]

Wow

[robust valve]

I wanted to answer Super Earth VS the covenant so I played Halo reach Halo CE and Halo 2 My conclusion Super earth is crushing those bums

[civic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-deception-more-lies-every-day-gif-10493922

[robust valve]

I beat Those 3 games with like 15 deaths each

The Covenant were bums the flood was a Joke

I understand the lore is terrifying but I saw something completly different

[autumn thistle]

I did that back in the day, the hand written letter that is, back when bs angel was the community manager. Got a custom Mister Chief and Halsey drawing from Frankie because of it.

[muted brook]

Why didn't Kat's shield save her?

[civic sundial]

We don't know why her shields were down

[solemn portal]

All of this Kat getting whacked curfuffle could have been avoided if Reach had the Beam Rifle, but alas...

[latent acorn]

Kat’s shields were down due to the glassing impact ara aon New Alexandriaby the covenant ships. There was a huge surge of radiation from the glassing which fried her shield’s circuit. And also the glassing impact near noble team position at the end of the level was one of couple factors for her shields not working.

[short flower]

Thought I was gonna do bad in CE multiplayer last night, I got 16 kills!

And we even had a mostly afk player too!

[onyx latch]

Needle Rifles don't, canonically, have a reasonable level of kinetic energy to actually do what the one did in Halo Reach.

That's the whole reason why a Beam Rifle would've made sense but a needle rifle doesn't. You can't even headshot kill ODSTs or Marines in Halo Reach with a needle rifle unless you hit the latter's unarmored face.

[celest heron]

what difficulty?

[latent acorn]

A beam rifle would make sense yes. But one shot from needle rifle to head on unsheled was all it took. If her shelds were up at full capacity would it have prevented her getting killed? Or was it just a lucky shot from the elite field marshal?

[onyx latch]

The point is that the needler shouldn't have done what it did. Anything else is mostly irrelevant.

[brave pond]

The Needle Rifle was also seemingly the elegant choice... it was perhaps the sound the designer(s) wanted at that moment, mechanics aside. I've always found it very poignant at that moment, like glass shattering.

[onyx latch]

That's... Certainly giving a lot of credit where credit frankly isn't due.

I always found it amusing that that scene is basically the best example I have of pointing out that the needle rifle 'projectile' in Reach is literally just a recolored beam rifle effect with a crystal impact fx.

Also, the elite in the cutscene is holding a focus rifle, not a needle rifle, which is extra funny.

I think they were originally going to have the focus rifle fire like the beam rifle, then when it eventually changed they kind of went 'well crap we need a gun that can do this' and just threw the needle rifle effect at the problem and called it good.

[latent acorn]

What do you think on why Kat’s shields were down? Some fans of said it logically possible the glassing impact at the end of the level emp here shield. Do you think this was the case or something else?

[onyx latch]

Maybe? But it doesn't solve the problem of that being something the plating itself should've been perfectly capable of tanking.

[civic sundial]

Her armour's shield systems being fried is not something conveyed to us at all in the game, nor is it confirmed her armour was no longer able to create energy shields

[nimble summit]

They are releasing a new book finishing Infinite's story. Why not just adapt the book for the game?

[civic sundial]

The book isn't "finishing Infinite's story" and it's been said to be like what First Strike was to Combat Evolved and Halo 2

[stoic canopy]

I got a Google notification that an Infinite sequel had been announced and people were mad, came here wondering HTH they managed that so fast after the engine switch, find out it's a book

Now it makes sense

Gamers being upset due to illiteracy makes sense

Personally I've been kinda of wanting a new Halo book

[radiant sundial]

the yoroi coating for jorge covered this

[short flower]

I could imagine a modern rerelease of halo 2 in all its glory, with all its content on the current Xbox.

[distant plank]

Should I read halo first strike in between ce and halo 2 or just go straight to halo 2?

[echo idol]

Doesnt really matter tbh. I feel like if you just want to experience a more simple story, then definitely jump into Halo 2. But if you wanted the expanded story with more knowledge and lore then definitely read first strike.

[civic sundial]

First Strike basically just bridges the gap between the two games. It's a good novel but it's not required to understand anything in CE or 2

[distant plank]

Ok

[swift prairie]

What do you all think about Fall of Reach?

[celest heron]

fun fact, a standard needle rifle round wasn't actually used in the cutscene, but it was a different more powerful projectile that just looked like one.

[distant plank]

its amazing

[lofty hemlock]

I want enhanced Halo 5 for pc (via steam) someday

[onyx latch]

Enhanced Halo 5 (Black undersuit edition)

[gray swan]

Would be cool if Mcc ever dropped Xbox one to add it there

[swift prairie]

I'm gonna check it out

Damn. I have been missing out on this server....

[cursive maple]

where do i find Halo mcc server?

[celest heron]

you're in it

[versed holly]

Is Infinite having server issues at the moment? I’m getting wild latency and packet losses

[distant plank]

It gets good at around…. The start

[frosty condor]

@silk musk share that in #1076327824924872755 🙂

[summer aspen]

agree

[summer aspen]

The Weapon's name isn't going to be Cortana and for anyone who still thinks this is even a possibility needs to stop thinking that now lol

[lusty arch]

Isn't it going to be "Joyeuse"?

[civic sundial]

I never said I wanted it to be Cortana

Like, I made it clear I don't want Weapon to be called that

[summer aspen]

Practically everyone who wrote Halo Infinite's campaign left the company either the day the game came out, or less then 1 - 3 months after it came out. Honestly not sure what anyone expected, this was going to happen no matter what (a time skip of some sort) so the new writers can make something new for the next game.

You'll still have reoccurring characters and all obviously from Halo Infinite, but yeah.

[summer aspen]

It's wrapping up threads from both Halo Infinite & whatever Rubicon Protocl had to set up the next game.

[lost trellis]

I expected something different for once. I feel like I can't get any bit of hope with anything Halo related because someone working on it will run up and throw a bomb in my face. We've basically just had 13 years of every plot being pulled out from under us. YAY! FUN!

[summer aspen]

I didn't say you did, I'm just saying anyone who still thinks that needs to stop thinking that. Not even the guy who wrote Halo 5 would say "Lets name the Weapon after the bad guy from WW2" which is basically who Cortana turned into.

[civic sundial]

The new novel was compared to Halo First Strike, which bridged the gap between CE and 2. I doubt it's going to be resolving everything which is left unanswered in Halo Infinite

[coarse dagger]

Unless I missed it, nothing has been announced

[lusty arch]

I know I know, what I mean is that it was theorised, sorry for not explaining it well

[coarse dagger]

I think that was front runner from the community, yeah

[lost trellis]

Also I think it sucks really hard that Guily Spark kind of ends his story on a happy ending after being such a problem. Feels weird, it really feels he should've never been revived in anyone, really blows the wind out of Johnson's death in a few ways. It's almost as stupid as Vader dying to kill Palpatine only for him to return. Not quite there but almost.

[civic sundial]

Spark was given a tragic side to him thanks to the Forerunner trilogy showing where he came from and how he eventually became a "Light Bulb". But wasn't an evil person like Palpatine was

Like, Spark shouldn't have killed Johnson, but his rampancy was affecting his decison making

[summer aspen]

It's wrapping up loose threads from both the game & the book, that's about all we know so far.

Obviously it's not going to resolve everything, 1 single book rarely does that anyhow.

[civic sundial]

Tell me what about this confirms it's wrapping up loose threads

It mentions it's bringing some threads from Rubicon, but it does not say it's wrapping up everything

[summer aspen]

Even says so right here -

This is indeed a story set in the immediate aftermath of Halo Infinite’s campaign, tying in with some story threads from The Rubicon Protocol—one of Kelly’s previous novels.

In some ways, Edge of Dawn might be thought of as similar to First Strike, where we sat for a while with the** immediate fallout of the events that transpired in Halo: CE**, dealing with some of the things we learned while embarking on a new adventure.

[civic sundial]

That's not wrapping up threads

Wrapping up means finishing up stories, which they don't say here

[summer aspen]

I am now convinced you don't understand what story threads are.
so this convo is pointless because of that lol

[civic sundial]

I know what story threads are, it just sounds like you're making up things about the new novel

[summer aspen]

Obviously it's not going to resolve everything, 1 single book rarely does that anyhow.

but it will involve things that happened in Halo Infinite & wrap them up for the next game

exactly what idk
Lucas Browning is one of the ones that gets pointed out directly, he was in the audio logs that you can find in Halo Infinite.

[summer aspen]

saying this won't happen is willful ignorance

[coarse dagger]

Some things may get wrapped up, they might not. We won't know until the book actually releases and people read it

[summer aspen]

Willing to bet it's going to set more things up involving the Endless

[rigid herald]

I wonder what name would fit her.

Anna.

There we go. I got it.

[civic sundial]

Joyeuse is right there and fits thematically with her more, especially considering where Cortana's name came from

[autumn thistle]

The guy had been manipulated since birth and turned into a machine that served said manipulators.

If anyone deserved some kind of happiness it’s Chakas.

[rigid herald]

How does one even pronounce that.

Sounds like a headache of a name.

The meaning of the name however does fit.

[lost trellis]

I feel like I can name like 15 different characters in Halo with a worse life off the top of my head who didn't even get a grave. Not to mention apart of the reason I'm not a fan of his happy ending is they they wrote lore to make him not who he was in the games. I don't really like it when a character is rewritten, I'd just rather have a new character. Also it's just weird that they made him a person instead of a robot. I think 343i was just attached to GS because of their company name.

[formal kettle]

It's been a long time since I ever played a good halo. But I would cap the game with 8 playable races that includes Spartans. I would like it if the next halo just expands playable races then just sticking to boring old Spartans. If diversity is the goal of halo then they should take my approach.

[lost trellis]

I remember seeing videos of people who modded Halo 2 so they could play as the Covenant and thinking that by now we'd have a Firefight mode where you could play as any race not that we'd barely get Firefight in games.

[autumn thistle]

I’d rank having your entire line orchestrated by “higher powers” and then having your body and mind wiped away for thousands of years to be pretty hard to top.

Honestly, it’s just going to have to come down to preference. I appreciate them taking a fairly one note character and giving him some depth.

[lost trellis]

I feel like everyone who got infected by the Flood beats that out but if you think otherwise that's your thoughts but the problem with everything that happened to GS after Halo 3 is just that he exists after Halo 3. Let a dead character die, especially when their death is invoked with so much power. Stuff like him coming back and Cortana are why we have so many people who think Noble 6 is in a cave right now. Even Jega is coming back. It's not a matter of them being machines or even subtle ways of them escaping, it's the dodging of death. Once you do that in a series it's a can of worms that can't be closed.

[autumn thistle]

Ok, sure, those infected by the Flood have it worse. But by that logic we can’t discuss ANY character struggles and tragedy in Halo because Flood victims had it worse. It’s so reductive that it borders on ridiculous.

Overall though, I’d agree in general that death should be the end. When dealing with mechanical beings I do think there is a bit more leeway you can afford, especially with the idea of backups or hiding within computer systems goes. Folks like Six getting stabbed and burnt to glass is a little less ambiguous. I’m sure you’ll try to argue otherwise, but whatever.

Point is, yeah you do open a can of worms and it’s not always good. Cortana being a prime example.

Still, I liked Chakas as a character and enjoyed his journey from humans to machine to insanity to clarity.

[lost trellis]

I'm not trying to say don't like him, not wanting to put someone on a cross for opinions, I just think undoing death is a very stupid trope and I feel like his is done so much worse then the average because it's one of the last things Johnson helps you do before he dies and GS gets the happy ending after backstabbing him. Also on the matter of other tragedies, eh, kind of. That's another weird angle with the Flood though. It becomes really hard to hype up anything because you have this giant middle finger to existence waving it's arms around and making everyone's life worse. There are just tiers to the suffering and in Halo it's hard to feel bad for the guy who survived the flood compared to the guy who didn't.

[autumn thistle]

I’m not saying you are putting anyone down. You don’t like what they did, I just offer a different perspective. That’s all.

As far as the Flood making caring about other tragedies harder…that seems completely arbitrary to me.

At that point it’s almost like downplaying bad things that happen to others in one country because worse things possibly happen elsewhere. It’s just cutting down on empathy for no reason.

[lost trellis]

I think there's confusion here. No hostility, just poorly typing out what I'm trying to say I think.

[civic sundial]

You're saying that like every death in Halo has been reversed but Johnson's. Last I checked, outside a couple deaths, death has stuck. Like, Noble Team (Excluding Jun), Kurt (Who's fake and real deaths both happened in the same novel), Jacob Keyes, Miranda Keyes, Truth, Regret, Tartar and Jul all have remained dead since being killed off. Cortana coming back has always been a point of contention, with most agreeing it was bad to have brought her back, and Spark's survival was revealed to us in the Forerunner trilogy, so it was a thread that needed to be pulled on one way or another eventually

[lost trellis]

I feel like that "Noble team (Excluding Jun)" line perfectly sums up my feelings on the matter. It doesn't have to happen all the time, it's that it does happen at all which becomes the problem. You can make any logic to get someone out of dying but that doesn't change the fact that you robbed death. Jun is once again in a weird spot with his life now as well which makes it even more annoying because he's been in two "IS HE DEAD?!?!" situations as a character. All this does is do like I said above, and promote the Noble 6 is in a cave stuff because those people say "If X did it then why couldn't Y?" and plenty of writers think the same way too it's why even James returned. Can you write it that he lived, certainly, should you make him live instead of just introducing a new character?

[civic sundial]

Jun was never said to be dead in the first place

[autumn thistle]

Jun’s not that complicated. He left with Halsey and simply made it off Reach. Pretty sure even Halsey in First Strike mentions she volunteered to stay at CASTLE to blow it up indicates there was an evacuation of some kind. You can easily reason out Jun surviving. With Infinite, so long as he wasn’t on Laconia Station he could be anywhere.

[lost trellis]

Can you explain this more?...Further? Eh, proper English is borked.

[autumn thistle]

Jun took Halsey to CASTLE Base, an ONI facility on Reach. Carter tells him to in Halo: Reach. The book, First Strike, has Halsey as the sole volunteer who sticks behind at CASTLE to blow it up. Given she volunteered to stay, it stands to reason everyone else there who could left. Jun probably just left with them.

[lost trellis]

Sounds like some sound logic to me.

[civic sundial]

There was nothing there to suggest he died between when we last saw him and Halsey in Reach and when we see Halsey in First Strike and given the evidence we did have back then, it was the logical option

And while it's been a while since I read First Strike, I'm pretty sure Halsey at no point mentions there being any casualties during the evacuation of Castle Base. While sure if Jun had died there, it would be a retcon to First Strike, it would still be weird for Halsey to not mention a Spartan from a group she did not have involvement with dying to keep her safe to her own Spartans

[low bloom]

I heard next halo in a book i am not a book reader

[autumn thistle]

It’s not.

[lost trellis]

I think alot of confusion around the new book is some article titles out and about. One I saw was flat out saying that Halo Infinite was now just a book. So clickbait is out there clickbaiting.

[rotund zenith]

Noble 6 survives in a cave not because others have ambiguous deaths or come back but because we believe
After all spartans never truely die, theyre just missing in action

[civic sundial]

Not to rain on the "Six is alive" parade again but Six is confirmed dead

Like, "super dead" dead

[rotund zenith]

nah

[latent acorn]

It has been confirmed many times, including both Bungie and 343 Industries that Noble 6 is dead. Dead as super door nail dead. He is not coming back. There is no need continuing beating a dead horse.

[civic sundial]

There's not even a dead horse to beat, it's just dust and echos

[rotund zenith]

Interesting that your sources are a studio that no long works on halo and one whos name just so happened to be scrubbed and rebranded. Coincidence or the signs of manufactured insurrectionist propaganda to undermine our valiant troop in mjolnir?

[civic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-dalek-cyberman-confusion-gif-26987992

[dusky lichen]

Does anybody know where the moa statues are this week?

[coarse dagger]

Bungie confirmed it both in the game and in interviews a few months after launch

[rotund zenith]

||https://youtu.be/6Vz26vYv-dI?si=iulhKXtlIKSJ1tlQ||

[civic sundial]

I don't get why 343 rebranding to Halo Studios is important to Six being dead. Also it's not propaganda

[rotund zenith]

Yall really cant read tone huh

[dusky lichen]

Thanks so much. I just did the covenant and missed those moas dammit

[coarse dagger]

It's hard considering the amount of people that pull up the conversation and are dead serious about it

Sarcasm in text isn't always obvious

[muted brook]

Kat is dead. My cousin's response: "but she's the smart one! They can't just kill off the smart one!"

[rigid herald]

Idk. If she survived, Noble Team would have died from her driving skills.

[muted brook]

The solution is to go 2 player. One of you drives, the other shoots, and Kat can sit there as a passenger.

[analog salmon]

She actually is probably the least replaceable out of noble

Presumably without Operation Upper Cut the the POA might have never made it off planet

And other then Jorge she’s the most developed character, unlike the other 4

[wraith pivot]

Say what yall want about halo 5 but that cover art went HARD

[robust valve]

It’s alright

[dusky lichen]

In MCC I’m lvl 527. Last I played was launch and I think back then u only got spartan points for the first 100 levels. Does this mean I’m missing about ~400 spartan points?

Just wondering how the system works and y I have no spartan points at such a high level. I only competed 2 series and bought nothing from the exchange

[celest heron]

you get points by completing challenges which are the gold ones and you get two for completing a monthly.

[glacial tartan]

Well, we can start by confirming you're not level 527 😄

it used to be restricted to the first 100 levels, it was later changed to be every level and the difference was rewarded retroactively (if you were level 120 you were given 20 SP)

With all of those details in mind Lukepowa is right, in addition to the possible 330 SP from getting new levels, you get them from weekly/monthly challenges (and they are labelled with a number next to the SP icon if they give them) 😄

Oh, and the weeklies are split into pvp (matchmaking / CGB) and pve (matchmaking firefight /campaign)

[celest heron]

oh, I forgot you get a point for leveling progression ranks up to a certain one.

[dusky lichen]

Tour 5 level 27 I think is level 527?

[dusky lichen]

U also get points for leveling up and isnt there 100 levels per tour? Im tour 5 level 27

[glacial tartan]

There are 30 levels per tour. There are 330 levels total

Tour 5 Level 27 = 147 out of 330

[dusky lichen]

Makes more sense. Damn the spartan point system is brutal then. It takes 4 ever to level up now and the challenges suck and u get barely any points from them. Would take me a year maybe to catch up on all the series and that’s without spending anything on the exchange

[glacial tartan]

At one point they increased the number of spartan points per week (it was roughly double)

It was removed immediately after that week and never came back

We also havent had a double XP weekend in years now

[tulip tusk]

thats pretty funny

[celest heron]

I'd give you mine if I could since I have no use for them, lol.

[glacial tartan]

No kidding 😦

[dusky lichen]

I really wish they would do more double and triple XP events and fine tune the challenges a bit. It’s not asking for a lot.

[short osprey]

Does anyone know the armor core for the UA/SECOPS Plate and the TAC/Thornblade?

[rose tundra]

Halo reveal at Xbox Showcase Sunday? Y/N?

[tulip tusk]

M

[solemn portal]

Infinite update? Maybe.
An other Halo game? Nope.

[tulip tusk]

i feel like showing an infinite update is less likely for some reason

[coarse dagger]

Extremely unlikely, like 0%

[tired sand]

ive made a bunch of progress on steam mcc but none of it has transferred to my xbox any clue why?

[low bloom]

idk where i can ask this but when i go from a xbox one s to a xbox series x can i still play the campaign with xbox one people

[frosty condor]

Yes

[meager pumice]

What do you mean when you say progress?

[bright finch]

I have the same problem, my achievements did jump over though

[civic sundial]

Do you mean you started a level, swapped platforms and tried to continue where you left off or that things have entirely reset with career progress?

[bright finch]

Man..I just started up the Heavy Anticipation playlist for Halo 3 and I was wondering why it felt so difficult all of a sudden…I didn’t see that it was Legendary difficulty and expected normal lol

[sturdy kernel]

Skill issue

[distant plank]

Same

[lost swift]

Hello. I just came back to Halo: MCC, after a long break. I have never been a multiplayer guy, I only played it to get some spartan points from the challenges. Basically, I suck at Halo Multiplayer. Regardless of the part of the game. I would like to get better at it.

Is there anyone who could teach me please? Stay on call with me, watch my game on screenshare or anything else. I'd really like to get better.

[celest heron]

you'd probly have better luck just playing games in the custom game browser for a bit to get used to the weapons and maps with no pressure to do well.

[glacial tartan]

If you wanted to record an entire game you played where you felt things went really well for you and send it to me, I could give you some suggestions 🙂 Its really hard to know where to start.

Also strongly strongly suggest playing Action Sack. Its much more forgiving and lets you get your feet wet.

[solemn portal]

You could look up map tricks video, but you'll have to learn most of everything else on your own. Pick one or two Halo games you like. Learn the maps and practice. Tinker with the control settings until you feel comfortable. Find like-minded players and party up with them.
It's a long road ahead, and you will get wrecked multiple times.

[robust valve]

After playing Halo Reach, Halo 1 and, Halo 2 and Helldivers 2

I have come to the conclusion that super earth would beat the covenant

[dark girder]

When we getting halo 7

[tame moth]

Personally, next year at least

[civic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/lies-deception-more-lies-every-day-gif-10493922

[robust valve]

The largest covenant fleet was 500 ships

The largest super earth fleet was 150,000+ ships

Super Earth can lose 300 super destroyers per ship and still win

[uneven bison]

You guys barely held super earth because the bugdivers couldn’t do anything besides die

I’m aware of the satirical nature of super earth but let’s not pretend that most of if isn’t just cannon fodder

Now we have fleet of 150,000 bot divers then we can talk

[robust valve]

TBH in empire VS empire debates Super Earth is criminally underated

[uneven bison]

It’s fairly rated because Helldivers shenanigans for better or worse are canon, the quality of a fighting forces fleet is nothing if the people piloting it are morons

[robust valve]

Mostly because people don't know how the verse lore works.
To most other fandoms helldiver's are expendable nobodies
Anyone who knows the lore knows that helldiver's are the literal 1% in a war-like society that has its population training from the age of 7
And
Super earth has a rather TERRIFYING ability to copy and improve any tech they get their hands on.

[uneven bison]

I don’t think anyone’s saying their weak but we’re also talking about the covenant here

[robust valve]

I’m still taking super earth

Super Earth is the UNSC on steroids with an affinity for war crimes

[bright finch]

Don’t want to interrupt you theorycrafters, but that stuff has happend already

1996 Space Jam - aka Covenant vs Super Human(Michael Jordan aka Master Chief)

[robust valve]

MJ would cook Master Chief

This is due to the fact the Chief was taken as a young child and has probably never played basketball

[dull basin]

Just dropped 42 and 5 vs Summit1g 's squad on his stream with a win. Felt great

[silent light]

Hi everyone, does Halo Infinite have rpg elements?

[civic sundial]

You can upgrade the equipment you get during the game, but Halo Infinite is not an RPG

[distant plank]

Should I read first strike before or after halo 2

[analog salmon]

either

first strike and odst can be read/played after 1, 2 & 3, or in between the games

[distant plank]

👍

[muted brook]

Noble team would realistically have all died in New Alexandria.

Not because of the glassing, but because moments before they were hit by an absurd amount of radiation.

[onyx latch]

I still say that it was just detecting the source, not the ambient radiation near them.

Kat saying 'that close' was likely more a panicked and immediate response, because, y'know, Spartans can still be panicked by an entire room exploding. Nothing about her comment implies that it's the radiation in the air around them.

[marble halo]

No halo news at Microsoft showcase. Chat are we cooked

[solemn portal]

We ain't cooked, we're atomized.

[tame moth]

We are not, HS just wants to do their own thing

[solemn portal]

How very optimistic...

[muted brook]

Um, what?

I tried to delete and repost a message so it was a reply, but now its being deleted

Is it some sort of protection against spam by deleting copy-pastes?

[coarse dagger]

Yes

[muted brook]

Ah, ok

[muted brook]

The thing is, the roentgen is measured by the change of electric charge to a given volume of air via ionizing radiation over a given time, and is stated as measured by the detector's current position, not at the source. That means the device Kat was holding was likely some far-future dosimeter, with the reading being taken from where they were.

Ok, there we go

[muted harness]

[silent light]

ty ty

[onyx latch]

I highly doubt Bungie actually understood in the slightest how any of that works.

Not the first time they did so.

Either way-I feel the interpretation of her merely detecting the source and Bungie's scriptwriters not really understanding how Roentgens work is not any more competent than Star Wars writers not understanding how plasma works, and fans filling in what would make more sense because... well, writers have no sense of science tropes.

[muted brook]

Fair enough

[keen zephyr]

Have they fixed the xp on battle for academy

[radiant sundial]

star trek exists (and is completely irrelevant here) (edit: I only just realized I was 6 hours late to this, mb)

[keen scaffold]

I wanna know why Halo Infinite's next big update isn't getting advertised properly. Twitter posts aren't cutting it.

[tame moth]

They havent announced it yet

Fall update aint till a couple of months

[keen scaffold]

It was announced at the last stream???

[tame moth]

That was summer?

[keen scaffold]

Operation Legacy?

[tame moth]

Oh, those arent really updates

[keen scaffold]

It's the "Halo 3 update" to anyone who even gives remotely a hoot.

Halo 3 Armor is being added. Grifball

[tame moth]

Ok not all ops have updates and if they do, they are most likely bug fixes

[keen scaffold]

Shouldn't it be advertised a little heavier

You'd think people would want to know about that, especially since it's Halo 3, the bestest game ever made ever.

[tame moth]

Its every 3 months that a big update comes out

[keen scaffold]

I feel like you're not getting what I'm saying so I'm going to stop

[tame moth]

I do, I just split terms up because people get confused if ya call every op the same thing, update wise

And believe me, people get confuse

[keen scaffold]

Not even remotely my problem if people cant understand that.

[tame moth]

Also, you can already play grifball in custom games, since its just a forge made mode

They uploaded it there awhile back

[keen scaffold]

Not grind exp for it.

Which is what the matchmaking playlist let'syou do, which is what some wanted

[tame moth]

Yeah, i know, I play the game

[coarse dagger]

https://vxtwitter.com/halo/status/1932060224971493652?s=46

Halo (@Halo)

The legendary Dragon Ninja returns 🐉

Get ready to earn the Hayabusa helmet in the HAYABUSA ZOKUHEN bundle available in The Exchange starting tomorrow through July 8.

#OperationLegacy arrives June 10! https://t.co/Thc0TTf8hw

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 9, 2025, 1:00 PM

[jade pebble]

no way

[civic sundial]

Yes way

[latent acorn]

Looks like Team Ninja and Tecmo gave Halo Studios the okay to use Hayabusa helmet for Infinite.

[frosty condor]

https://tenor.com/view/sorprendido-cara-surprised-shocked-face-wow-oh-god-gif-15759918

[nova basalt]

Exchange bundle!

Lets go HS

[keen silo]

Holy beans, it’s back! This was NOT on my Halo 2025 Bingo card

[dim ridge]

Can someone answer a question

[tulip tusk]

no one can answer questions here that's impossible

[ruby lake]

HUH?!?!

i am bewildered!

[dim ridge]

Ok

Just wondering why my natchmaking is doing nothing but loading

[coarse dagger]

What game are you playing?

[dim ridge]

Halo mcc

My internet is working. Just downloaded other games.

[coarse dagger]

Is it the Microsoft Store version? If so, there is an issue matchmaking searches and it doesn't work at the moment. No known workarounds unfortunately

[dim ridge]

It was the pc gane pass

Got it for free

Maybe that's the issue. Thanks for the info!

[tame thistle]

Are devs joining lobbies just to help player count or something? Had 343 BobGan in my game may as well have been asleep

[tame moth]

Thats a bot?

[tame thistle]

Is it?

[tame moth]

343 is in the name

[tame thistle]

Assumed it was a dev lmao, arguably worse I've got bots in a matchmade lobby

[tame moth]

It should have a tag like bot or something like that

[tame thistle]

It had [ODST]

[tame moth]

Yeah, odst level bot

They existed since the game released

[onyx latch]

That is a bot, yes. 343 (name) [odst] is the bot name structure.

[tame thistle]

Yikes, people not a fan of this mutilator game mode or something? Or just a dead game?

I'll take that as the latter then lmao

[radiant sundial]

Probably the former tbh, it wasn't the greatest fun I've had in a mode

[wind ibex]

Are theater films going to break tomorrow?\

[onyx latch]

Best to assume so.

[twin imp]

If the Hayabusa helmet is gonna be an exchange for Halo Infinite i really hope it's not more than 10K points

[nova basalt]

It’s definitely going to be over 10000

Probably like 30-75k range

[tulip tusk]

maybe even 100k who knows

but yeah definitely way more than 10k

that haunt helmet from reach is like 75k

[celest heron]

ugh, gonna take me so long to get.

[shadow turret]

if it actually is only available from later today until July 8th, I'm assuming it'll be 45k, maybe 50k personally

[lucid bone]

I’ve got an idea that I will not only put Halo back on top but also print money. We’re not talking small or moderate success either, we’re not interested in that. The cool thing is the devs already have sort of a blueprint playable in Halo infinite already.

[tame moth]

🤨

[grave ether]

Going to share this brilliant idea so I can steal it for my own game development?

[lucid bone]

Cut out the fat. Drop campaign and pvp. I don’t think the traditional halo game is going to work anymore. Focus on firefight, but bigger, better and more epic. Large scale battles with 32 players. Scripted action sequences at random. Huge maps. You’re taking the core gameplay loop that makes Halo fun and cranking it to 11. These modes are in customs games already but they need to build on it and make it better. I’m telling you, this is the golden ticket for Halo. Anything else is just not going to cut it.

[celest heron]

exchange items are there permanently.

[tame moth]

Hold it there, bud! Drop campaign?

[grave ether]

[lucid bone]

Yep drop it.

[tame moth]

You lost me there

[grave ether]

drop PVP too

[coarse dagger]

Campaign is the primary reason I play Halo

[tame moth]

Drop pvp?

[grave ether]

That's definitely a take, I'll say that

[tame moth]

Gosh darn, removing a lot of halo staples?

[grave ether]

Basically, take halo 5, strip it and only preserve warzone

[latent acorn]

Dropping a lot of Halo staples does not make any sense.

[coarse dagger]

https://youtu.be/zvCbWzI0rHM?feature=shared

[lucid bone]

Oh I’m aware it’s going to lose some people. But I just don’t think they can execute the three pillars with great success anymore. It’s just too big of an undertaking. And the results are going to be uneven. Again, print money. And they can still do campaign and pvp with another dev team.

[tame moth]

I dont think some

[summer aspen]

crazy take

[latent acorn]

That is pure nonsense

[coarse dagger]

Some people? Try a very large chunk of the fan base. That would affect multiple sub-communities

[celest heron]

dude wants a hell divers clone. that's what people were saying about br's years ago too when they were hot.

[grave ether]

HCS, just gone into vaporware

[latent acorn]

Was for a second, now it is no longer vaporware.

[lucid bone]

Look Halo has to do something different. It can’t just keep doing the same thing over and over. The young crowd don’t even know what Halo is lol. Hell divers is a good blueprint, but Halo is a much bigger IP. There’s not many games doing this.

[civic sundial]

I don't want a Helldivers clone for the next Halo

[tame moth]

I joined with infinite

Removing stuff aint the way to go

[uneven bison]

Certainly a take

[celest heron]

they did do something different with an open world campaign.

[onyx latch]

If I wanted to play Helldivers I'd play Helldivers

[uneven bison]

If halo “dropped” the campaign and just cut the story entirely I’d stop playing

I am here for the campaign

[celest heron]

what it showed was changing something doesn't guarantee success and it's usually not just one thing that causes issues.

[uneven bison]

Pvp is on the side

[grave ether]

now if Halo Infinite got a full warzone update, it'd be amazing since it's a much loved and missed game mode! I love and enjoy PVE & PVPVE game modes. But Not being able to do PVP shenanigans or play a story would kill why I play Halo and turn it into nothing more than a skinned clone of another game

[onyx latch]

I'm here to drop hot, spicy facts and takes on people who complain about campaigns.

[celest heron]

warzone was also something different.

[civic sundial]

I wouldn't mind them shaking things up and having a dedicated multiplayer component which is updated with every new campaign with new weapons, vehicles and other stuff, but I imagine something like that will still be controversial

[uneven bison]

Can we also take a step back and just talk about how halos story is just fat to that? It being a story told through games doesn’t mean that the story can’t be told

How is everything in this universe just fat

[lucid bone]

I like the campaigns and pvp too. Halos moment to moment gameplay is phenomenal. Fighting against the ai has always been the critical component that ties everything together. Think about it, large scale epic battles against the covenant with 32 players. You could even switch it around and have the players play as the covenant. Reach a new audience, blow the doors off Helldivers and rake in profit. There’s just so much potential with this. You could have raid like mechanics, nothing complex as that would be impossible to coordinate with 32 players but you could do something where you got to split off into groups to tackle objectives in order to progress through the map.

[civic sundial]

Throwing more players in doesn't mean it's gonna be successful

If anything, balancing the enemies around 32 players is gonna be a nightmare

It's bad enough when content balanced around 4 players is played solo (Spartan Ops)

[wooden briar]

Something to remember as we discuss this: all of these different opinions are coming from a desire for the IP to be healthy and last long into the future. There are different methods and thoughts, and what sounds like a crazy "diet" to some might have elements worth considering. We all want Halo to be healthy.

[celest heron]

so why would we drop campaign and pvp for that? If anything you could add that as a separate mode.

bring back invasion first though.

[lucid bone]

It’s already being done, the custom raid people have made on infinite are incredible and the most fun I’ve had in halo in a long long time. As soon as I started playing those I was like this is it! This is where Halo needs to go, it just has so much cool potential. I hope they explore that.

[tame moth]

Invasion is coming to infinite, they been bringing it up in waypoint

[civic sundial]

Those aren't exactly the pinnacle of fun when most the time the large group is just competing to get kills faster

And like, often terribly balanced

[wooden briar]

A fully next-level Spartan Ops would be something I'd love to experience, essentially dungeons, raids, etc.

[lucid bone]

It needs work for sure, but I think the potential is huge.

[latent acorn]

That’s more a mutilplayer game mode. Doesn’t have to be a new pinnacle. Just a fun game mode to kill time.

[civic sundial]

HS should take inspiration from Destiny's Strikes for Spartan Ops 2.0. Not sure I'd go with Raid or Dungeons for the inspiration

[lucid bone]

And like I said, there’s not a lot of games that do this well other than maybe Helldivers. It’s not really a saturated market. I feel like they could really find their footing with this mode. They could still do campaign and PvP, but I really do believe they need to capitalize on firefight and make it epic.

[coarse dagger]

I would love to see something Raid like for Halo. Puzzle solving aspects of those are a lot of fun

[wooden briar]

mannn thinking about it gives me an itch for a mode I never knew I wanted

[wooden briar]

Good call. I was blanking on the shorter-form analogous activity.

[civic sundial]

Fair

I think a Raid-like mode might risk alienating the core Halo audience, but I wouldn't be against some sort of experimentation of puzzle mechanics in the next game which are more complex than what Infinite's campaign has (The power seed puzzles throughout the campaign)

[lucid bone]

Just wanted to get that out there in the open. Thanks for the feedback guys, just want to see Halo dominate again. Been a fan since the combat evolved.

[wooden briar]

That's what keeps IPs healthy: new ideas, innovative perspectives. Thank you for taking time to bring those ideas!

[dusty olive]

For some reason I can't see the new operation, but I can see the updated shop and exchange.

Is the rest updating at 2?

[civic sundial]

Got 25 minutes until the operation goes live. Store reset is always an hour before

[dusty olive]

Ahhh, okay. Thanks! Sorry, I interrupted the previous conversation 😂

[civic sundial]

Nah, that conversation was basically over

[lucid bone]

You’re good, it fizzled out lol

[dusty olive]

Ah, I don't feel bad then. :)

[tulip tusk]

id like larger scale pvp also with lots of vehicles and such

[grave ether]

Discord was made for interruptions and random conversation changes. Live for it!

[dusty olive]

[dusky lichen]

They only added the hayabusa helmet? Not the chest or shoulders?

[tame moth]

Exactly

[dusky lichen]

bummer

[civic sundial]

To be fair, the helmet was the main draw of the armour

[edgy forum]

Yeah pretty much

It’s what defined the legacy to be honest, when you think of Hayabusa the visual is helmet

Take it what it is

[onyx latch]

I liked the chest more tbh.

I do wish they'd have given us back cosmetics that were shared between cores though.

[glacial tartan]

Im on team make every piece universal

[fiery pewter]

just came back to infinite to grab the hayabusa, yet the matchmaking still ends up into an infinite loading screen lmao

[lusty wraith]

MCC beating Infinite on Steam and Xbox most played on update day....

Just thought it was worth mentioning

at least right now* it is a work day

[tulip tusk]

😆 yea the pop isnt the best

maybe later days will pickup!

[lusty wraith]

not me using this as justification to beg for strafe nerfs for the 99th time

[karmic oriole]

New update peak?

[lusty wraith]

nerf strafes/add inertia pls I promise 1 million population increase

[tame moth]

They did nerfs already to some of the movement

[tulip tusk]

im interested in how much money infinite pulls in nowdays

[ruby lake]

probably a lot still

[crystal iron]

do featured playlists like delta arena halo 3 legacy give you more xp?

[rugged quartz]

featured get more xp

[wide echo]

Login issues in Halo Infinite reported by a player, where they cannot enter their credentials in the login menu due to an error that prevents typing in the corresponding fields :c

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[wide echo]

sorry

[neon vapor]

what gamemodes were removed from arena social and rumble pit? have not found where they specified whats been removed.

[lusty wraith]

They nerfed acceleration speed, but there's still no inertia. It should be like every Halo before infinite

[neon vapor]

so the entirety of arena social is gone, and a lot of rumble pit modes like kong slayer and purple reign are gone.

wouldve been nice if this was in the patch notes

[knotty ermine]

love playing a legacy mode with avenger starters but then everyone picks up BR

[crystal iron]

i believe that is a limitation of slipspace

would like to see it too but that is probably why

[uneven bison]

I really wish halo had a “do not matchmake with” button for people like other games

[marble halo]

3 games in a row against the same 4 stack mlg halo sweats

[scarlet shuttle]

Can anyone tell me why Grifball is so bad in this Halo?

I loved Grifball and something just feels off about this version. It feels slow paced.

[lusty wraith]

I'm fairly certain it's absolutely doable

[sturdy kernel]

Skill issue

[crystal iron]

they for sure could implement inertia but i imagine it straight up doesnt exist rn

[scarlet shuttle]

🤡

[signal ivy]

idk, it feels fine to me

been enjoying

[oblique crag]

In comparison to H5, and maybe H4 grifball, yeah it's definitely more slow paced but nothing like the 3/Reach grif pace. My thing is the hammer windup takes some getting used to, but I am sorta managing to get the eye in for it. You have to anticipate the other players' moves a bit more

That being said, third person grifball is actually visually messing with me and I wish my game wouldn't matchmake me into it when I explicitly have that mode in the composer deselected :/

[versed holly]

Why are people so salty and insist on TK in griffball

[plucky flicker]

This maybe controversial, but I think bringing new a voice actor to voice Chief for the CE remake would not be entirely unjustified.

[civic sundial]

No remake has been confirmed

[robust knoll]

Are we ever gonna get the tarot card emblems that have been in the game since season 3?? There’s a whole lot of them and I’d love to get them

[granite raft]

wow grifball REALLY show how much ping plays a role in who gets the kill

trading is nearly impossible and im watching people start swinging when im almost slamming yet they still kill me first

[compact helm]

I got banned because how bad grifball is set up just constant Tks and my tm8s kept running into me lol I got tk8 I get over 100 times in the last 5 games I played

[cunning oyster]

I have strategically blocked every sweat lord in Halo 3.

Now my matches are perfect.

[keen silo]

Oop, unconfined remake mentioned again. Set the “days without CE remake mentioned” back down to zero

[dusky nova]

Anyone having problems with the servers right now? I can get into the game okay but can't seem to connect to servers.

There doesn't seem to be anything posted by halo support yet so not sure if that's just on my end.

Oh, judging by discussion in #general-chat it looks like I'm not the only one. Disregard.

[devout cedar]

Why do so many Meelee so much in Firefight/PvE?

Like is it normal not to rely on ones aim?

[rigid herald]

You underestimate the power of punching.

[dusky nova]

I think grav hammer is very strong in PvE, it can take out whole groups easily. The other melee options are a lot more situational though.

[onyx latch]

Melee is a historically overused crutch in Halo.

[solemn portal]

Depends on the game. You can save up a lot of ammo be meleeing.
For example, in ODST you can one-hit any enemies (except for Hunters) by meleeing them in the back. Even Brute Chieftains with invincibility on.

[devout cedar]

Im talking about meeleeing without any meelee weapons.

Like teammates i get all almost exclusively meelee. Punching the same enemy multiple times.

Unless they find power weapons like the Rocket Launcher

Even walking up to a group of Grunts and meelee each one instead of clicking on all their heads with a pistol or something.

Im not trying to be an elitist. It's just something that caught my attention.

And i think it's odd people play a SHOOTER like it's a beat'n up game.

[nimble summit]

Hey guys what about a new UNSC LMG modeled after the FN EVOLYS?

[versed holly]

Is there campaign matchmaking for MCC?

[solemn portal]

Nope.

[shadow turret]

If I'm out of ammo I usually go and melee things until I can find more/get a chance to reload, at least personally

[smoky stone]

Anyone know if there are gloves with spikes or blades on them? Kinda like Shredder or Wolverine? Obviously not long ones, but just some slight spikes? Trying to figure out if they're part of a past season battlepass or if they even exist.

[shadow turret]

I don't believe there is
I think the pointiest Gloves we have are prolly Themic on Mark VII
And I forget the name rn but there is a pair on Rakshasa with built in brass knuckle things

[onyx latch]

There are the Liteknuckle gloves for Rakshasa, meant to house a pair of shock knuckles; As well as the Doisac Kiss wrist attachment, which is some knives on the right forearm plate. Mirage IIC has the Shockbrace, which is basically a big gauntlet.

Mark VII has the Crimson Compliment wrist, which is a pair of bladed shivs; TAC/Dewclaw, which is a foldout knife on the wrist; And Sharp Bracer, another pair of knives on the wrist.

[radiant sundial]

ngl themic isn't even pointy

it's more just like the mechanix M-Pact gloves if it covered your entire hand

you'd be better off with one of the bicycle glove looking ones for pointy

[dusky lichen]

sucks when your challenges are to win games but in multiple games in a row you get afk teammates who are clearly just farming spartan points. can we ban these people?

[celest heron]

they should get kicked if they're afk long enough and not moving. probly best to play firefight if you want the best chance of winning.

[winter sphinx]

Is there any better way to get spartan points besides playing games and the operation pass that doesnt need to to pay like $10

I just started playing again after like 3 years so i start at 0 SP, with needing to get to 40k points before july 8th itll be a bit challenging

[dusky lichen]

They never get kicked just sit there afk. I’m not sure if the challenges work in firefight.

[dusky lichen]

It’s meant to be FOMO sadly.

[winter sphinx]

Yeah really wish it wasnt

Idk if ill be able to get it before it goes away

Even with getting all the SP on the current operation its like 250+ matches to get it

[sturdy kernel]

It's pretty possible to earn 40k SP

[dusky lichen]

Same tbh I don’t play this game often or buy anything. I just bought the first two battle passes when the game came out.

[winter sphinx]

Ok, but how

[sturdy kernel]

Playing everyday for 40+ matches

Every match gives you 100SP, even if it defeat

[winter sphinx]

Thats like 6 hours a day if the average match is atleast 10 minutes

[sturdy kernel]

I used this to gain Hero rank almost one year ago(on November 2024)

[celest heron]

they do

[celest heron]

items in the exchange don't go away.

[winter sphinx]

Well i hope so

[celest heron]

there's categories all the way to the right when you scroll which have all the past items in them.

[winter sphinx]

But their twitter account did state that the helmet will only be available until july 8th, which is worrying

It would be neat if old battlepasses included SP, would most those more worth getting

Ill keep grinding but i wish there were better ways to earn SP besides what we currently have

As long as the helmet actually stays in the exchange then it doesnt matter hopefully

[celest heron]

hmm, I'll have to check now.

[winter sphinx]

Saw a post saying its doable with just 7 matches a day atleast, as long as the operation pass and weeklies are completed
If thats true then it will be way easier than i thought, but itll be a long while before i get it

10-15 games a day should let me grab it early without needing to glue myself to my chair

[celest heron]

oh, I guess it is only until july 8th after I read the description in the game. bummer

[glacial tartan]

As far as I know AFKing is not bannable in Halo. I’ll be extremely happy to find out that policy has changed.

[rugged ginkgo]

Anyone here knowledgeable on the Halo Legacy Collection cards?

[snow dagger]

The expiration date is so strange. I spent most of points now that it’s easy to find what stuff I didn’t pick up earlier. Gotta grind out 30k points to get it if it really does expire

[glacial tartan]

They didnt mean to delete your message @rugged ginkgo where are you meeting them? Im assuming some event

[rugged ginkgo]

naw its good I get it. GalaxyCon Raleigh

[glacial tartan]

Assuming thats in the convention center downtown? Fun venue

[rugged ginkgo]

i assume so. i need to do more research into the event 🤣

need to drive to Raleigh from Ohio as well

[glacial tartan]

looks like its 45 days away so you have time

[rugged ginkgo]

yea got a little over a month

[glacial tartan]

hopefully you dont have to walk 😛

[rugged ginkgo]

well if I gotta walk. i should probs start now 😭

[glacial tartan]

exactly lol

[rugged ginkgo]

my goal is to get a funko signed by both of them along with a professional photo op. thinking of wearing my halo gear reward jacket and get like a military hat