halo-discussion

[glass goblet]

LETS GOOOOOO

[rocky oasis]

oh i see, i mustve did that then

yo halo 4s odst is so pretty why does 343 do odsts better than bungie lol

same with mk5 😮‍💨 juicy

[shadow turret]

Not confirmed* but it is most likely one of the next ones

[unreal knot]

Would be nice tho the fans are tired of the banished 😂

[shadow turret]

Eh
I don't mind the armor as long as it still looks decent
Which it does imo

Yea

I feel like if you look past the "ew, more Banished" stuff, it's pretty decent armor and attachments

[unreal knot]

Exactly you just got to combo it correctly

[shadow turret]

I use Banished shoulders (and wrist attachment) on my otherwise non-Banished Spartam and it still looks good imo

Said armor: #1164394180676681798 message

[unreal knot]

Okay thats some nice drip

[shadow turret]

Danke lol

[rocky oasis]

is there any other place for halo mods than workshop?

[solemn portal]

NexusMods, ModDB, the usual places. Don't know if you can play MCC with them.
They usually are for Custom Edition.

[rocky oasis]

so mcc is just workshop?

[fossil harbor]

It’s going to be the place where all the up to date stuff is yeah.

[rocky oasis]

shame. thanks!

[fossil harbor]

What’s wrong with the workshop

[solemn portal]

There's over a decade of content for Halo CE that will never see the light of day on the Workshop.
Most modders won't ever try to port the Custom Edition content to the MCC.

[fossil harbor]

Ah. I never followed custom edition, am I missing out on anything?

[solemn portal]

It's a ~~player ~~ Gearbox made add-on to the original pc release of Halo CE that gives a lot of tools to modders.

[fossil harbor]

I know, I meant any mods

besides SPV3

[unreal knot]

I.ll be satisfied with a alpha nine operation and hopefully the models for the smg or pistol look good

[fossil harbor]

Same, I’m so sick of banished stuff

[unreal knot]

Yeah if they love brutes so much then make them playable mine as well make this gears atp

[keen silo]

Same. I’d like more themed stuff again, granted I say this now but the Monkey’s paw will give us Tenrai 5

[unreal knot]

Hayabusa armor would be nice

[fossil harbor]

Eaglestrike it is

[keen silo]

Eh. I can live without it. Plus legal issues so like I’ve accepted we’ll never see it again

[shadow turret]

Renegade is the closest we'll get to Hayabusa in Infinite I think

[fossil harbor]

They have the perfect opportunity with Ninja Gaiden 4 this year tho

[unreal knot]

That hurts

[keen silo]

I would be very happy with more Eaglestrike stuff. Or even the Hazmat core

[fossil harbor]

I just want the wolfenstein helmet

Otherwise the core is too damn chunky for my liking

[crystal iron]

Full ODST themed core. Nuff said.

[unreal knot]

Yeah they gave it no love

[fossil harbor]

The lancejack bundle released for Eaglestrike pretty recently, I like it

But it doesn’t really fit with the rest of the Eaglestrike armor, doesn’t give world war vibes at all

[unreal knot]

I have a feeling there will be a hunter kit for eaglestrike

[unreal knot]

Yeah i agree and those segmented pauldron shoulders

[shadow turret]

Yea

[fossil harbor]

Hunter as in?

[unreal knot]

Banished hunter or regular covenant hunter

[fossil harbor]

Could be neat

Never liked kits tho

[unreal knot]

Yeah i dont like the system 😂

[fossil harbor]

Especially when they’re churning stuff out like wendigo and boggart lmfao, bet those are selling like hot cakes right

[unreal knot]

I find it hilarious they kept putting transgressor in the shop overpriced like everyones gonna buy that

[fossil harbor]

Damn and I almost had that one wiped from my memory

[unreal knot]

😂

[fossil harbor]

The noble team kits felt sloppy too, I would have liked them if they were accurate to the source material but instead they just look like Spartans cosplaying as them

[unreal knot]

Right they could’ve done a better job im also hurt inclement weather is still in the files

[rocky oasis]

arent they the same?

i did a firefight the other day with a group and the hunter looked the same just. way more saturated 😵‍💫

[hollow bay]

can anyone else not find ranked games?

im even on expanded and i cant find any games

[sturdy kernel]

Ranked games are not popular rn ig

[unreal knot]

Yes its just the colors

[rocky oasis]

oh fair

[spare finch]

it takes me 2 minutes to find them, not that bad tbh

[celest heron]

I think the banished ones are more aggressive at least in campaign, but not positive.

[rocky oasis]

i want to draw something halo related but i dont have any motivation 😞

maybe later!

[analog salmon]

fun fact of the day

its still possible to sign into Halo 2 Vista and earn achievements

also if you use DXVK (coverts Direct X to Vulkan) you can use AMD's driver level frame gen with it for a smoother feeling 120fps

I for some reason wanna finish the campaign achievements before I reinstall Windows (which will probably break GFWL)

[unreal knot]

Myriad is no joke

[sturdy kernel]

Haha, skill issue
A few skewer shots in back

[unreal knot]

It depends on the difficulty and you kill one then the other one is enraged and starts spamming

[keen silo]

Myriad was such a pain, especially since I refused to upgrade my shields.

[unreal knot]

Yeah i rushed the campaign i was lazy getting the upgrade’s

[civic sundial]

Y'all didn't upgrade your shields?

Like, the campaign is absolutely doable without upgrading but I feel like having better shields is something everyone would go for

[keen silo]

Nope! I was way over confident in my Halo abilities that I locked in and poured everything into the grapple shot and thruster

Boss fights were probably harder than intended for a Heroic play through, but I’m also a sucker for difficult fights.

[unreal knot]

I think i had the tankgun at that time so I didn’t pay attention to upgrades i was just a killing machine

[fossil harbor]

doesnt trueachievements ban you for getting achievements in it?

its the only reason I haven't pursued them

[analog salmon]

Not the campaign ones

mp yeah cause you can’t do them anymore

There’s a few mp ones you can get in a custom lobby but the rest are impossible

[fossil harbor]

hmmm, might go for the campaign ones myself

[analog salmon]

My advice is use the borderless fullscreen tool to avoid exclusive fullscreen, and then use RTSS to cap to 60fps

If you have VRR, that should prevent tearing

[fossil harbor]

did you get GFWL off of pcgamingwiki?

[analog salmon]

I can’t remember I just installed the game from disk iirc

[fossil harbor]

ah that makes sense

physical copy sounds dope maybe ill just do that

[analog salmon]

The only issue is the key can only be used 3 times

I got lucky and could still activate a second hand copy I got

[fossil harbor]

ooh, thanks for the heads up

[obtuse tangle]

Idk who made The truth and reconciliation but this level sucks

This level is so bad, please never design maps again 🙏

[solemn portal]

Bruh

[keen silo]

It’s not that bad. Just follow the doors that are lit up green

[solemn portal]

When he reaches the Library, he's in for a rude awakening.
And then there's Keyes, lmao.

[sturdy kernel]

Bungie lmao
The first developers of Halo

[keen silo]

The Library still haunts me to this day. Im playing through Halo with a friend, and I can’t wait to see how lost we get

[unreal knot]

What difficulty?

[solemn portal]

It's not that bad, and if you really get lost, switch the graphic to Anniversary for a while.

[keen silo]

Heroic. I’m not gonna make her do CE on legendary on her first play through lol

[keen silo]

Oh for sure! I’ve played CE enough to memorize the layout, but it’ll be funnier if she takes the lead

[unreal knot]

That would be insane tho 😂 i dont even touch campaign anymore i got way to much ptsd from laso

[balmy wedge]

Man, when they said the Master Chief Collection was rocky on its original PC release they weren't kidding.

[obtuse tangle]

Oh yea ik, i meant like the specific people that cursed it

I finally made it past it. I hate heroic so much

[solemn portal]

User error.

[rocky oasis]

hmm ive just been thinking. late night bed thoughts i suppose.

considering mcc got absolutely nothing for halo 2s anniversary (unpaid modders working on passion projects dont count), is this a sign mcc is completely done?

theres always downtime sure but is this downtime in mccs lifecycle or is it the actual complete end?

[solemn portal]

It's safe to assume yes. We are still getting sneaky server updates, but not much else.

Hopefully the Playstation and Nintendo rumors are true and we might see some actual content...

[rocky oasis]

thats a shame and sort of cements the view of people who think 343 hates halo. theyd rather make skins for infinite multiplayer than work on its campaign or fix the mccs glaring issues…

content is 1 thing but fixes are another entirely…

[white birch]

We were lucky to get ODST and Reach in it
It's MCC not Halo Collection after all

[rocky oasis]

and i can see nintendo. maybe. idk

playstation would be cool though

[coarse dagger]

The studio lost most of it's campaign / narrative team during Microsoft layoffs

[rocky oasis]

ah. so microsoft hates halo?

[coarse dagger]

No? They were part of 10k people at MS ( like a lot of companies at that time doing mass layoffs) affected

[rocky oasis]

hrm i guess im confused then. oh well

i do hope mcc gets some love. itd be unfortunate to let it die. at least from the devs side

[glacial tartan]

Considering where it is in its lifecycle, the last few years of MCCs development has been higher than expected tbh

(I would have preferred more fixes as opposed to the new stuff they added)

[olive brook]

wouldn't say that mcc is completely done but I doubt we'll be getting any more updates or fixes

[glacial tartan]

But we do have to admit they have added a ton of content, even relatively recently

[rocky oasis]

fair like did we need the gundem stuff lol

[rocky oasis]

isnt that it being done?

[glacial tartan]

MCC has been getting updates and fixes as recently as last month

[olive brook]

still looks pretty unfinished to me

[rocky oasis]

looool true

[olive brook]

it has?

[rocky oasis]

abandoned i suppose is more accurate

[coarse dagger]

All of these updates require resources, which needs budget from somewhere. It's hard to justify lots of dev time when there's no return to balance it out

[glacial tartan]

Yes, Dec 16th I think

[rocky oasis]

some of that halo infinite money could go to mcc instead of execs pockets lol

but thats unrealistic 🫠

[coarse dagger]

There was a path for MCC to keep getting updates, but the community decided they didn't want it

[rocky oasis]

the community said “please, no more updates”?

i wasnt involved in this poll lol

[glacial tartan]

MTX were not rejected, MTX with no roadmap and no development goals were rejected

[rocky oasis]

oh they mean mtx?

[glacial tartan]

Im assuming

[rocky oasis]

mtx are mtx. not updates lol

[torn trench]

MCC will have updates for Switch 2 and PS5. Fear not. Lot of copies will be sold at full price.

[glacial tartan]

When Halo 2 co-op constantly crashes and your development efforts are being spent adding a post game lobby screen and stances that nobody asked for, yeah.

[rocky oasis]

thatd be nice!

[coarse dagger]

Nothing like this has been announced or hinted at by the studio

[olive brook]

yeah halo 2 coop is actually unplayable

[rocky oasis]

innit i like stances but they were probably the most unecessary feature ever.

[glacial tartan]

Not to mention the proposed idea of MTX was done at the lowest population (why wait several years into the PC release?) and it was for Spartan Points - something your repeat players would have no incentive to purchase

I have almost 2K Spartan Points that I will never be able to use???

[torn trench]

No but Big Boss Satya Nadella and Phil Spender want it so it shall be eventually

[rocky oasis]

the best kind, if they ever need to exist. to be fair lol

[glacial tartan]

Why would this be the system thats discussed to monetize. Stupid

[rocky oasis]

(the answer is they dont but playing along)

[glacial tartan]

If they would say "Hey it will cost us 50K to patch the EAC issues that let people fly around without being banned" I'll fund it myself

[rocky oasis]

also just for clarity no ones really asking for content. this is a collection of ogs afterall
we want fixes lol

[glacial tartan]

I am one of the few that would even accept some form of MTX in the game, but it would have to make sense and have some goals laid out with it. But being totally silent and pumping out new things without fixing major issues doesnt really work.

[rocky oasis]

no one would mind it 🤷‍♀️ but thats besides the point

[olive brook]

i wouldnt mind some new content

[rocky oasis]

well no no one would haha but still

[glacial tartan]

Spartan Points for all 300+ Levels
Matchmaking Rejoin Feature
Exchange Selection Expansion
Golden Moa added to CE/H4
H4 Multiplayer Loadout Options re-added
Modding Tool Updates
Steam Deck Support
Firefight added to the Custom Game Browser
Player Count Increased for Custom Firefight
Firefight Join-in-progress
Acrophobia Skull added to CE
Hunter Boarding Halo 2 w/ Bandana Skull
Halo 3 Escalation Slayer created/added to MP
Halo 3 Forge added Invincibility/Cloak/Auto-turret
Halo 4 Campaign/Spartan Ops Theater
Golden Moa added to Halo 2
Gamepad Remapping (all buttons everything!)
Custom Background Videos
Updated Status (now shows modded maps/User Generated Content in friends list)
H2 Classic Multiplayer Hit Registration/Projectile Speed updated

All of these things were added to MCC (and more, I just grabbed bullet points) since 2022

(Since the MTX "conversation" ended and 343 supposedly ended support)

[rocky oasis]

at the very least why dont people come out and say it? like “hey everyone, to clear the air, mcc is done forever”

[glacial tartan]

They cant

[rocky oasis]

why?

[glacial tartan]

Because they cannot stick to any roadmap, when they do it blows up in their face

[rocky oasis]

oh?

[glacial tartan]

I dont blame them tbh

[white birch]

The Fandom tends to eat them alive cause none of these people know how coding or game design works

[glacial tartan]

If every time I announced something and had to walk it back shortly after I would stop announcing things until they were guaranteed

[rocky oasis]

ok then “mcc is done for the foreseeable future”?

[glacial tartan]

MCC is in maintenance mode

[solemn portal]

You are underestimating the community.

[rocky oasis]

is there like a statement for that?

[glacial tartan]

No - general feeling

[rocky oasis]

lol

[solemn portal]

No, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a a duck and walks like a duck...
There have been many other online games that went through similar patterns.

[rocky oasis]

wheres the duck in question lol

[solemn portal]

The duck is the Maintenance Mode.

[rocky oasis]

where is he? can i see him lol

[glacial tartan]

I wouldnt consider it abandoned because they are still doing fixes - but its been a year since we've heard of something truly "new" being developed

[rocky oasis]

yeah new content isnt needed just fixes.

though that being said it is funny halo infinite got more for halo 2s anniversary than halo 2 lol

oh well. if mcc is abandoned it was a good run. if not i do hope we get some fixes soon

[celest heron]

this, plus the vast majority of devs are probly working on the next game and infinite also needs resources since it's still getting content. I'd say it's almost a miracle that mcc is getting anything at this point in its life cycle.

Sure, mcc still has issues, but the amount of stuff that has been fixed or added which didn't even need to happen was crazy. Unfortunately, the cycle of games continue and I think infinite took a lot of mcc's thunder with player pop and likely dev time which is always the inevitable end for most games.

It also didn't help that the mtx convo was happening when mtx was becoming big in the spotlight negatively. I think paid servers could've been a good option, but this stuff is long past now.

[rocky oasis]

yeah your right. its a shame they chose to abandon it. oh well

mods are a thing i guess.

(still hoping for and preying for a halo 4 firefight esque mod 🙏)

[inland sierra]

271 ranks in infinite? why

[serene badger]

I am with you on that.
We had a series on Forerunners.
I would love a series on Ancient Humans.

[vale sentinel]

Are we not gonna talk about why Jorge picked up 6 and threw him? Like why couldn’t 6 just jump himself?

[solemn portal]

Because Noble 6 wouldn't have let Jorge activate the bomb if he knew.

[serene badger]

Yea, Jorge didn’t want 6 to attempt to stay with him.

😩 loved that character.

[celest heron]

"don't deny me this" then he picked 6 up.

[serene badger]

I do love hearing all the conspiracy theories of his survival.

[frosty condor]

@silk musk plz use #1076327824924872755 to show your videos

[round forge]

The only character out of Noble team that had any realistic chance of surviving is Jun as he isn't shown being killed. I mean Kat is shot in the head, Carter crashes a pelican into a dropship clearly guiding it the whole way, George manually detonated a bomb so was most certainly close enough to be killed outright, Emile was killed on screen by an group of elites, Noble 6 was stabbed through the chest by an energy sword only moments before Reach was glassed, so all of them are dead but Jun survived and went to Castle Facility but no one know where he went from there.

[flat delta]

young lord of admirals vs master chief

who wins

[round forge]

How young?

[keen silo]

He helps train Spartan IVs currently I think

[round forge]

Ah... The wiki didn't explain it very well. I think it needs updated.

[flat delta]

like 30-40

[round forge]

Maybe, I'm pretty sure ancient humanity were physically stronger but I don't know by how much or how their strength compares to a Spartan II.

[celest heron]

Carter crashes a pelican into a dropship clearly guiding it the whole way
I kind of think he wouldn't have done that if he wasn't injured coughing up blood and maybe would've found a different solution.

[kind rose]

Because that can change

Not an actual update but they necessarily have to work on it to do simple fixes like the hacker situation and such

[civic sundial]

We don't know how he got off Reach because that's a story that hasn't been told, and at this point would never live up to the expectations fans have for how it happened

[kind rose]

its info that isnt necessary to be known

and a lot of halo characters follow a similar pattern to that

[analog salmon]

i would much rather nothing be known about him then this be true

just makes no sense for his character

dude barely says anything in the game and now he's teaching like

just lacks any creative thought

he's the perfect kind of character for John to cross paths with at some point, but i doubt that will ever happen

[civic sundial]

Jun's canonically a recruiter, I don't remember if there's anything that specifically says he's training IVs

[analog salmon]

that's even worse honestly

in my head canon he's just doing black ops or something

[civic sundial]

Well that's been canon since 2013 so take that as you will

[analog salmon]

just such boring and uninteresting development for that character

last guy i could see being a "recruiter"

not that he had a very interesting development to begin with, but he was the recon dude who doesnt say much. i just cant see him in a non combat role working for the UNSC

[round forge]

Thinking back on it makes even less sense with his more philosophical mindset.

[ruby lake]

what if
transforming spartans were a thing?

[halcyon hawk]

is halo mcc online active?

[civic sundial]

Like they go through a magical girl transformation to suit up?

[glacial tartan]

Yes - if you are wanting to play ranked there are some gaps (Invasion, H4, etc)

[halcyon hawk]

thank you

[halcyon hawk]

do i need a certain dlc/game for ranked?

[glacial tartan]

Ranked is mainly H3 / CE

[ruby lake]

transformers.

switching from figure to convertible/aircraft/boat/spacecraft/submarine.

[civic sundial]

Eh. My idea sounds better

[ruby lake]

bruh

are we like
fighting now?

[rocky oasis]

yes!

[spare finch]

why was there a black screen match???

[halcyon hawk]

Thank you!

[rocky oasis]

anytime!

[fading sable]

wort wort wort

[halcyon hawk]

what game mode is the active one?

[inland sierra]

yes

[rocky oasis]

mostly reach and halo 3 slayer in my experience

[kind rose]

He’s a Spartan 3…..?

A lot of Spartans went on as instructors for the new Spartans

did we forget Kurt?

Like idk what both him doing black ops and being an instructor have any difference in creative quality. There’s a lot of spartans in halo’s universe that could be doing anything else rn

[frosty condor]

I never forget Kurt

[inland minnow]

@silk musk • this isnt the place to share that.

we do have #1076327824924872755 for posting original halo-related content you've worked on, provided it follows the #rules-and-guidelines

@vale sentinel • we dont allow namedropping of other players, for any reason

[vale sentinel]

Yes master. I’m sorry

It won’t happen again

[warped yew]

Master is crazy lmao

[civic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-master-gif-20356718

[spare finch]

300 fps on 165 hz monitor is funny, yet somehow it works on mine

[fossil harbor]

Because your frame rate isn’t capped

[spare finch]

I set minimum fps to 238, which could help make it higher

[edgy forum]

Still reading First Strike

Gonna take my time with this novel and GoO

[edgy forum]

Just learned that slipspace still takes time to travel, not an instant “Oh I’m here in the span of a second” method that other sci-fi IPs do

[civic sundial]

Aye, it do be like that in Halo for its FTL travel

[spare finch]

Thel got stuck in the wall

[keen silo]

He does that sometimes. It’s a safe space for him

[obtuse tangle]

Just beat Halo CE on the MCC. Unlocked 5 achievements at the same time

[spare finch]

Somehow H3 legendary is hilarious

[solemn portal]

So, was Truth and Reconciliation the worst level?

[obtuse tangle]

Yes

[solemn portal]

bruh

[obtuse tangle]

Cool level, and i love cov ships, but it was a pain on Heroic

[solemn portal]

But you get to use the sniper rifle the whole level.

[fossil harbor]

Truth is my least favorite level

[solemn portal]

bruh

[sturdy kernel]

What about 2 betrayals and assault the control room?

[fossil harbor]

Far more interesting scenery

Just not a fan of the purple hallways

[keen silo]

I’m having flashbacks to Assault on The Control room and they’re awful. Beating that mission without using vehicles for the achievement was awful

[spare finch]

Stuck on crow’s nest with the brutes

[solemn portal]

Which room?

[spare finch]

The room with the two bridges and a ton of brutes as well as a chieftain st the end of it

It’s either the yellow brute blows me up or the chieftain gives me a concussion

[solemn portal]

There should be a Plasma Pistol on the ground somewhere, just before the brutes. That'll help you with their shields. Consider using a Grav Lift to get to the upper level (the bridges), there's a few human ammo lockers up there.
Both the Plasma Pistol and Grav Lift should be near the truck.

[keen silo]

You should be able to back pedal and rearm yourself at the command center as needed.
Or throw a gravity lift under the brutes. That’s always fun

[solemn portal]

Also, if you feel courageous, you can long throw a sticky grenade at the golden Brute while he's talking with his buddies.

[scarlet raptor]

Idk who thought it was a good idea to make the DMR the ranked starting weapon but that was a horrible idea.

I’d rather spawn with the magnum. Atleast update its hit registry to be more balanced with the other guns in the game

[pastel canyon]

ran into some dude playing halo wars one 1v1 on tiktok live and now im feeling the withdraws from playing it

viewer warthog and air rushed the streamer and steamrolled

was so beautiful

[west rock]

There's been a huge resurgence in players on MCC lately.

I absolutely love it.

[obtuse tangle]

343 Guilty Spark was my favorite since that was ||the intro to the Flood, I love the Flood||

[obtuse tangle]

I started a couple days ago, beat Halo 2 in 2 days. Somehow I realized I never beat Halo 1 or 2, I've only ever beat 3, 4, and reach

[rocky oasis]

does anyone else think halo 3 shouldve been the last game with chief as a protagonist?

halo 4 has my second favourite story but idk

just a thought i had and wondered if anyone else felt the same.

[ruby lake]

i mean, wouldnt hurt to try for halo 4 to have a new protag

(despite me remembering why chief's armor changed throughout 3 to 4.. "nanotechnology")

[sturdy kernel]

Nanomachines son

[civic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/nanomachines-son-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-gif-20057254

[keen silo]

Yeah, that little Nanites armor change was weird. My least favorite suit Big Green has ever worn tbh

[civic sundial]

Pretty sure that was just thrown out in an interview after someone was like "Ok but there's gotta be a reason the armour looks different outside of artstyle" and people just latched onto it

[keen silo]

It’s weird but also not too out of the realm of possibility. Cortana had 7 years and change to watch chief snooze.

[ruby lake]

they harden in response to physical trauma

[analog salmon]

its just a bad explanation where no explanation is needed

Halo 4 actually explains humanity defying the odds with the librarian conversation

otherwise they are just not that sophisticated as a specifies. He's in a cryotube. yeah they have Cortana and genetically enhanced humans largely thanks to the forerunners. but otherwise humanity has no developed tech to the point that nanomachins modifying their armour makes any sense to me

its subjective sure but to me they are suppose to be quite a primitive space faring specifies

the explanation just goes against that whole premise. and especially given Halo 4 is actually the game that explains how humanity has more advanced AI and enhanced super soldiers despite otherwise being fairly underdeveloped compared to the covenant

[west rock]

Halo 4 was definitely the rough start

Even Halo devs former and current know by now that fans didnt take too well to the severe shift in art style from Halo 3 to Halo 4

[celest heron]

could just be very limited with who gets to know and use it. oni only stuff. I think if it were more realistic, we would've reversed engineered more covie tech in weapons.

[west rock]

Honestly I think a few tweaks to the graphics, writing, and gameplay would elevate Halo 4 to an A or S tier game if I were to put it on a tier list.

[analog salmon]

i mean nanomachines implies just a much greater level of sophistication as a species. if humanity has those even on a small scale and can apply them on a ship in a cryotube to battle armour, the whole presise of humanity being a primitive interstellar species largely falls apart to me

[keen silo]

Even in science fiction, bureaucratic red tape prevents progress

[analog salmon]

like does every frigate have nanomachines ready for Spartans to make upgrades incase they end up floating in space for 7 years?

or this ship just happened to be prepared?

idk its just well beyond the realm of possibility, at least based on the humanity convey'd in Bungie's universe

but again i don't think the writers of Halo 4 considered that. They explained humanity's primitive nature with the librarian conversation. its just an art style change lets be real.

which is obvious from the gash in it

[west rock]

It feels like a copout to explain the art style change to me.

The biggest strong suit of the Bungie era art style that 343 adopted back into Infinite later on is that the designs are a mix of Y2K era aesthetics and military sci-fi while still being relatively grounded in reality.

As neat as Halo 4's campaign was, I personally found that the art style of that game was way too busy, and as a result I ended up straining my eyes when playing it on my 360 trying to make out all the details.

[civic sundial]

A splash of additional colours in the Forerunner environments would've likely helped. Like having silver with gold accents. Kinda like what we see in the last mission of Infinite in the Silent Auditorium

[west rock]

Ehhh I disagree

I preferred the simple geometry and chrome of the older games with the metallic silvery-purple sheen that a lot of the forerunner architecture had.

When it comes to Forerunner structures, it was TOO much detail that ruins the mystery to me.

[analog salmon]

to be fair 4 suffers from major texture resolution and particle effect regressions from Reach. it wasn't all art style that caused that game to age badly

it should have been a cross gen release with high res rextures etc

but Xbox wouldnt allow that

i do agree with u on the art direction entirely tho

[west rock]

That was also a factor yeah but I was still never a fan of how the game in general looked.

The Spartan IV armor designs didnt feel like armor with how little of your body some of the permutations covered, more like exo-suits that go borderline into Power Rangers or COD: Advanced Warfare territory.

[crystal iron]

Has anyone else tried this? https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/107w8kq/adding_gyro_aim_support_to_halo_mcc_on_steam/

[west rock]

Honestly I'd say the best looking Spartan armor design for me is the Mark V[B] design that Reach gave us.

And I will give credit and say that the people who worked on translating that armor into Infinite did a very good job

[celest heron]

I'm just thinking of how it would be implemented logically or maybe Cortana somehow figured it out and applied it. Reality is, I think it's just an easy and convenient way for them to explain it without going too deep which can come off as short sighted I guess.

[analog salmon]

i mean i'd say its more short sighted to try to explain something when the artists themselves put a gash in the armour just like he has in halo 3 lol

[keen silo]

How did he get the gash anyway? I can’t remember for the life of me

[civic sundial]

Falling from space at the start of Halo 3

Just don't ask about why his gloves are completely different between Halo 2 and 3

[rocky oasis]

yeah like idk especially now with infinite its like give this guy a break lol

[wanton moth]

Servers down?

[civic sundial]

I imagine that we have at least one more game with Master Chief as the lead. But I could see the next Halo being where we have a completely new protagonist in the lead role (Sadly I doubt they'll return to any of the previous playable characters for various reasons)

[fossil harbor]

Think so

[keen silo]

Obligatory “Jerome could be the new main character” reply

[rocky oasis]

id like to see dare be the new protagonist 🫶

maybe even palmer idk. probably dare as a spartan though

[fossil harbor]

Wouldn’t mind a Palmer fps

[keen silo]

I think that would be interesting, but I’m under the impression that a lot of the community doesn’t like Palmer? Or am I thinking something else

[civic sundial]

Plenty hate her for one line "I thought you'd be taller"

[keen silo]

Heaven forbid a member of the military tease another soldier

[fossil harbor]

Which was literally a joke but bro gamers can’t expect humor from women apparently

[civic sundial]

Even back when I first played the game as a kid, I understood it was a joke

[solemn portal]

I don't hate Palmer because of her portrayal in Halo 4's campaign. I hate her for who she was in the first half of Spartan Ops.

[celest heron]

sp ops made me dislike her even more. Egg heads!

[stoic canopy]

I'm sooooo tired of Construct and it being remade in Forge and included over and over again.

It's a bad map. It's always been bad, and always will be bad. It is not physically possible to make it good because it's design is fundamentally flawed.

It order to make it good, you would have to modify it so much it wouldn't be Construct anymore

[solemn portal]

Construct is fine, in Halo 3.

[civic sundial]

Nah, even in Halo 3, Construct isn't good

If it was a PvE space we travelled through during a level, it'd be fine, but alas it's a multiplayer map

[solemn portal]

Nah, it IS fine.

I didn't say good. Fine being the keyword.

It's a vertical map with no verticality. The space between the basement and the top level is just a death plane with nothing of value besides the Brute Shot.

[celest heron]

I think it was supposed to have a hornet on it originally.

[solemn portal]

That would explain the Missile Pod and the Spartan Laser

[rocky oasis]

yay

[spare finch]

don't you love it when you don't get achievements until the next launch after completing the achievement

[solemn portal]

You don't need to leave the game, going to the Career>Achievements>[specific game] ingame should unlock them.

[spare finch]

heh, the cairo station grenade tutorial is a pain on halo 2 legendary

[celest heron]

grenade tutorial?

[spare finch]

the section where you throw a bunch of grenades as the covenant keeps bombarding the area

it's more of a tutorial without instructions

[west rock]

I do hope Halo games going forward will add some of the legacy social features.

As fun as the gameplay loop of Infinite is, it feels super isolating to not be able to party up with players in a postgame lobby.

I feel like the matchmaking just kinda assumes you're in a full stack with your friends at all times.

[west rock]

It's not my favorite map from Halo 3 but I like it enough to not say no to it if it pops up on a map vote.

Personally I'd rather see maps like Rat's Nest, Cold Storage, Avalanche, and Sandtrap get remade.

[short flower]

On Halo CEA, 360 version for skulls, I’ve just got 1 more to get, and that’s Bandanna… there’s no Sputnik, so this skull will be quite difficult to get to.

[onyx latch]

GEN2 runs the gamut from heavily plated and armored to lightweight, which is the point. It's not a one-size-fits-all, it's a purpose-built system sort of thing.

Also, it's not just Spartan IV armor. Spartans are the operators, not the armor models.

[west rock]

I get that the Gen 2 platform was meant to be mobility over raw protection but there's better ways to design it in my opinion. For me there was just so many gaps between the armor plates on some of the permutations that there might as well have not been armor at all.

[civic sundial]

Gen 2 isn't just mobility over protection though, the various Gen 2 suits are designed for a wide variety of situations and roles

[onyx latch]

No, GEN2 was meant for versatility.

[civic sundial]

Like, I wouldn't call Gen 2 Security a Mjolnir suit designed for a Spartan to be more mobile

[west rock]

I wouldn't even call Gen 2 a MJOLNIR suit honestly.

[onyx latch]

That's... A take.

[west rock]

A more versatile armor platform than MJOLNIR is a cool idea but the core design strayed too far in my opinion.

It's why the only two I ever really enjoyed were the Gen 1 and Gen 3 platforms.

[onyx latch]

I mean

Funny you say that lmao

[onyx latch]

Famously homogenous GEN3

Hell Rakshasa's technically GEN2 and GEN3 at the same time (Artaius Helmet)

And there are GEN2s that are now GEN3.

[west rock]

The Mark VII armor looks good.

Mirage is literally just SPI armor upgraded to meet Gen 3 standards

[onyx latch]

Nope, new suits.

They share a design lineage, it isn't upgraded SPI, just evolved from it.

[west rock]

And Rakshasha is a weird set to me that feels like a mix between Spartan and ODST armor.

Because apparently in lore that armor core doesnt even have an energy shield generator.

[onyx latch]

No idea where people get that one from, really.

Is that another one of those stupid fanon rumors?

Because it's not canon, as far as anyone's ever known.

[west rock]

Mirage definitely feels like an armor set that fits the Spartan IVs though.

[onyx latch]

Swinging for the fences on weird takes.

Say, actually, because I'm sure I have this artillery pre-sighted, how augmented are Spartan IVs?

Also, on the Rakshasa thing, I always found it kinda silly and funny that people assume it's not armor. It has a techsuit, it's just got a onesie made of ballistic fiber over it.

[west rock]

Less so than Spartan II's and III's but still fairly heavily augmented in their own right.

The Spartan-IV program takes more inspiration from the ORION Project by using adult volunteers and giving them things such as cybernetic implants, genetically modified organ transplants, and some smaller scale augmentations. Less extensive than previous programs because the Gen 2 suit was compensating for it.

[onyx latch]

It's basically just a naked suit of GEN2 with no integrated armor plating.

[onyx latch]

Less extensive's kinda the wrong word. They implant bones with carbon fiber lattices and titanium reinforcement, add dozens of muscle grafts of various flavors; The entire torso cavity is entirely hollowed out and refilled with new or altered organs. They benefit less, but are not less extensively augmented; IIIs would be in that catagory, as most of their augs were injected and chemically added, not physically added.

Extensive isn't the same thing as effective.

[west rock]

Its not but due to the GEN 2 platform being way more advanced than the GEN 1 MJOLNIR armor they didnt need to be as heavily augmented as Spartan-II's and III's were.

Less augmentations, but still as effective due to advancements in medical technology.

[onyx latch]

Even then there's not actually any canon examples of what makes a IV 'less' effective; Even Locke manages to physically overpower Chief at one point through sheer force, something Chief had to break through with an unexpected headbutt.

[west rock]

Anyone who's played Spartan Ops could say that's an example. Fireteam Majestic for sure.

[onyx latch]

IV augs always struck me as being just as effective but meant for a different purpose. IIs and IIIs are meant to work good in or out of armor, while IV augs are more specifically calibrated to work with MJOLNIR while IIs and IIIs kinda just work.

[west rock]

But that's mostly a behavioral thing, not them being less effective on an augmentation level.

[onyx latch]

Pretty sure Chief wouldn't be feeling too great if a 500 pound piece of sandstone hit him in the unarmored face after being sliced open waist-to-collarbone by an energy sword.

[west rock]

I mean he literally had his thigh muscle exploded by plasma damage during the Fall of Reach book and still sent a banshee flying across a battlefield with a right hook.

[onyx latch]

Shrug. Locke tackled a Banshee, big whoop.

[west rock]

But I'd argue on average, previous Spartan generations had better discipline.

[onyx latch]

Discipline's frankly overrated in most scenarios.

[west rock]

I strongly disagree.

[onyx latch]

You can all you want, but it enforces stricter thinking. Lateral thinking is extremely important in an ever-changing battlefield.

It's why the US Military tended to be more effective historically. Doctrine is a guideline, not a bible.

[west rock]

When your characters all act like cocky frat boys and almost immediately get their butts kicked it doesn't make them look cool.

It makes them look like idiots and brings the image of the entire Spartan Ops branch down.

[onyx latch]

You know what's really funny? They don't even actually do that much.

People assume they're all sexist frat boys because of literally the first episode's intro, and even then it's due to a case of mistaken identity-and the part about joking about Rio's women isn't even really a bad thing. Nobody can be 'on' all the time, and if you think that's the case you missed the point of the game's main campaign.

[west rock]

Doctrine is not the same as discipline.

[onyx latch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[west rock]

Doctrine is the core beliefs and teachings of any given system. Discipline is how those beliefs and practices are upheld.

[onyx latch]

Either way. Discipline's fluid. Being on all the time's a bad thing.

It's part of why I prefer IVs so strongly, having diverse backgrounds and methodology improves your force.

Plus they actually earn their Spartandom, most of the time.

[west rock]

Buck certainly did, I wont even argue that.

If anyone deserved that kind of promotion he was definitely one of them.

[onyx latch]

The only one who 'didn't' is arguably Madsen.

And I mean that sparingly, considering he's still a sniper, which implies that he was more positioned in a spot that didn't get to fight much than imply he got his job solely through nepotism.

Had that argument before. It's interesting how often people assume being a war hero at all is more important and indicative of capability than being extremely capable but unsung.

[west rock]

You dont need to be a war hero but the first impressions of SPARTAN-IV's definitely could have been better.

It's good now, and I like some of the new stories. I just didnt back when all we had for reference was Halo 4.

[onyx latch]

I'll always think it's goofy that people didn't like them for dumb reasons back then.

Cracking a joke about height, for example. Only insecure dweebs would get upset about that one.

[west rock]

I tried giving them a chance but the first impression just wasn't there.

And nah, that wasn't what made me dismiss Palmer.

It was how she acted during the Spartan Ops campaign, constantly losing her cool and acting impulsive.

[onyx latch]

I honestly get her frustration with the scientists constantly messing up.

Like trying to herd cats.

[west rock]

Doesn't mean she has to punch a table in half or throw an actual tantrum when Halsey gets away.

[onyx latch]

Right, I'd be cool as a cucumber too if one woman's actions crippled an entire ship and nearly got the entire crew killed.

Or if an ally randomly showed up and ruined my ambush for a mission.

Not even a hint of anger, rage. In fact I'm pretty sure I'd be happy as a clam.

This weird obsession with making Spartans unemotional robots in this fanbase really needs to end. It hasn't been true for years, even back before 343 took over, it was just that people got so fixated on Chief being this emotionless boredom golem.

[west rock]

If they wanted Palmer to completely lose her cool there's better ways to do it.

What we got made her look like a child, not somebody who's furious because another Spartan just randomly waltzed into her solo op and messed it all up.

[analog salmon]

spartan ops is just kinda poorly written overall. i dont really judge palmers character based on that cause honestly all of the characters come across really cringe and not really serious

[onyx latch]

I'd absolutely be furious. It's an important mission, I'm not gonna be happy.

[west rock]

Its not the idea of the scene itself thats bad, I just think they fumbled the execution.

[onyx latch]

And in the case of punching a table... Again, Infinity nearly had several nukes go off in its engine core and had a good section of its crew slaughtered in its berthings. Not a good day for the ship.

All because one prisoner managed to escape, after collaborating with the enemies who were swarming your ship.

Not a time to be happy or placid. Pretty understandable frustration, really.

[analog salmon]

i just dont like seeing someone who's a fairly significant character just vanish. she needs to come back and 343 need to ignore the hate train that seems to drive every change they make to the storyline

[west rock]

Okay but again, it's not the idea that bothers me. The execution is what does.

They didnt make her look like a leader that's being pushed beyond her limits and patience, they made her look childish.

The Palmer I saw in Spartan Ops felt like a completely different character compared to the one I met in the campaign.

[analog salmon]

yeah cause Spartan Ops was obviously not wrote by the same people, or if it was, they were extremely rushed

[onyx latch]

They were rushed, mostly.

[west rock]

I think Spartan Ops had different writers, I cant remember.

[onyx latch]

It's both.

[west rock]

Because of the 343 games I've played Halo 4 was the campaign I liked.

[onyx latch]

Different writer and in a massive rush. Halo 4 itself was made slapdash extremely quickly.

Halo 4's campaign always struck me as overrated. It's not the most overrated Halo campaign, that honor goes to Reach, but it's still overrated.

I'm old enough to remember how absolutely hated 4's campaign was even when you got past the childish outbursts people had over a woman calling them short.

[west rock]

Hey can't fault Reach for being the best campaign in the series.

[onyx latch]

Nice joke.

[west rock]

Only thing about Halo 4 I hated was the unnecessary QTE segments.

[onyx latch]

God, I hate Reach's story so damn much.

[west rock]

Why? It's a story about hope.

[onyx latch]

It's a story about watching six dudes blunder through an apocalypse that somehow feels rushed and unearned, as they die in unearned ways.

[west rock]

Nice parody take.

[onyx latch]

I don't know how you manage to have people like a skull-faced character that fails more than he succeeds, but bless Bungalow's poor heart, they managed that. Crazy, really.

[west rock]

Care to give an example of how he fails more than he succeeds?

No need for an essay, just a couple examples.

[onyx latch]

• Winter Contingency; Is tasked with holding the breach against the elites you're chasing. Immediately fails to hold the line.
• ONI: Sword Base; Is tasked with holding the breach against air targets. Manages to let a Phantom disgorge multiple loads of troops while he is attempting to shoot at Banshees, of all things; He is less than fifteen meters away from said Phantom.
• The Pillar of Autumn; Fails to hold the line against air forces, forgets that he has a motion tracker.

I'd be more forgiving if it felt like his death wasn't lazy.

But then, maybe if he was more focused on doing his job than showboating, he'd still be alive.

I get having incompetent teammates is part and parcel of a Halo game, but whew, Emile, buddy, you gotta try harder.

[west rock]

• Winter Contingency: Is rushed by an Elite Marshall, requests to pursue but is denied by Carter so if anything that's Carter's blunder.

• ONI Sword Base: Was tasked with soloing an entire platoon of Phantoms and Banshees with one rocket launcher.

• Pillar of Autumn: Did you forget that active camo screws up or renders you invisible to motion trackers?

Sorry, but Spartans cannot solo every mission lmao.

Anyone with even a hint of media literacy understands the context behind those scenes with Emile.

[onyx latch]

It's one elite. He had backup. The elites weren't camouflaged.

[west rock]

Not to mention Emile was killed by the very same strike team of Elites that ambushed you at Visegrad Station and sniped Kat.

[onyx latch]

That's fan speculation, all we know is that they belong to the same order.

Not saying I disagree with that assumption, I think it'd make sense narratively

Plus I like crapping on Emile, he's lame.

oooOOoooh a skull and black-and-red armor, you're so cool.

[west rock]

So you have no actual basis other than your own personal dislike of the character.

[onyx latch]

Oh, no, I have basis, I already stated it.

I just also like making fun of him.

[west rock]

You did, and I think it's absurd at best.

[onyx latch]

Good thing my perspective isn't about pleasing you.

[west rock]

Those reasons you gave really only make sense in a vacuum. The context provided by the campaign missions they take place in gives good reason for why things happened the way they did.

[onyx latch]

A Halo fan judging things from a vacuum?

Man, I've never heard of that happening before.

I thought they were always pretty objective in reasoning, huh.

[west rock]

Carter was focused purely on their assigned mission.

Because of that, he made a bad judgement call by not allowing Emile to pursue and kill the Field Marshall that got past him.

A judgement call that he got reprimanded by Halsey for.

[onyx latch]

Emile still failed at his assigned task, just in an understandable manner.

Just because you had good reason to fail doesn't mean you didn't fail. If I fail to catch the fumbled ball and cost my football team the game, it's an understandable failing, but it's still a failing.

[west rock]

True but you make it out to be worse than it is with that wildcard statement that all of Noble Team just fumbled their way through the story until their assigned death scene.

[onyx latch]

Carter making a bad call-to not pursue-doesn't mean Emile didn't fail to stop the elite. And frankly, I'd say Carter's judgement call actually was the right one to make.

[onyx latch]

They do fumble a lot through most of the story. It'd have been better and more impactful with a different death arrangement and a better focus on the civilian toll that wasn't marred by Marty being mediocre at song placement.

[west rock]

Okay now you're just making statements purely for ragebait lol.

Jorge's death was fine, as was Emile's.

[onyx latch]

No, I actually have a seriously strong beef with Marty's music choice for Reach. Not bad and even makes good choices at points, but the guy's also got a weird thought process when it comes to music implementation.

Jorge's death is actually the one I have the second most problem with.

Carter's is the first.

[west rock]

Kat's was never meant to be fair

And Carter was already bleeding out before he decided to turn the pelican into a flaming piñata of death

[onyx latch]

Carter's irritates the hell out of me because we don't even know how he got injured. I'd say it can be implied, but... The Pelican's not that damaged, so it's kinda awkward. Needs more fleshing out.

And Jorge, IMO, should've been the one who died near the end, not Emile.

More room to exploit his character's uniqueness to the rest of Noble.

[west rock]

You literally see Banshee's shooting into the Pelican's bay and hitting the cockpit area in the beginning cutscene.

[onyx latch]

But yet, all his injuries are to the front of his armor.

And it's just an injury that occurs entirely offscreen.

[west rock]

No, you see the EXIT wound in front of his armor.

[onyx latch]

See now that's just making things up for convenience.

[west rock]

But sure, lets just assume those pieces of damage armor in front just exploded outward because they felt like it.

[onyx latch]

And let's also assume he's not turbo dead from plasma going entirely through his ribcage.

Through about 4 feet of steel, too.

Point is, that sort of injury shouldn't happen offscreen, and you shouldn't have to assume that it's an exit wound.

[west rock]

Funny considering Linda had half her body almost melted by plasma fire and yet she's still alive in Halo 5.

And I dont need to assume, you can tell by the damage detail that its an exit wound.

[onyx latch]

Oh my god. Linda getting injured happened offscreen with no elaboration?

I should reread fall of reach, I clearly missed that.

[west rock]

Okay so why does Linda get a pass and Carter doesn't?

[onyx latch]

Because she was injured, on'screen', with elaboration for her injuries and how she sustained them. You're assuming Carter's injuries are exit wounds (Which isn't even how plasma works, but it would likely happen from beam rifles), and all of his injuries are entirely sustained offscreen.

[west rock]

Actually go back and replay the Reach campaign, plug your 360 in with an HDMI cable if you have to since some of the dynamic music triggers on MCC are broken.

[onyx latch]

Meh. Even on first bootup when I got the game at launch I felt the music choice was off, this isn't MCC caused.

[west rock]

I dont need to assume Carter's injuries are exit wounds. You can see it on his model in the cutscene.

[onyx latch]

I've been about this critical of Reach as long as it's been out. The fandom slowly turning to glazing it never sat right with me.

[west rock]

He's got a hole in his chest with parts of the armor exploded outwards

[onyx latch]

Prove it.

Again, prove it. Show an entry wound on the back of his model and I'll believe you.

[west rock]

I literally cant? Image posting is disabled in this channel.

[onyx latch]

Imgur links aren't.

[west rock]

I dont have an imgur account for one.

But I can DM you a timestamped video

[onyx latch]

Also certainly doesn't look like a 'blasted outward' injury to me.

That looks like a 'plasma splattered and melted' injury.

Actually, it almost looks the same as that plasma burn on Jorge's shoulder from the start of the LNOS cutscene.

[west rock]

You literally see armor damage that looks like its been exploded outward.

[onyx latch]

Are you assuming that the pit, the visible pit, above the right hand pouch, is an outward-facing... Okay then.

That's not really how that works, at all, but you seem pretty hellbent on that being your headcanon.

[west rock]

And considering the canopy window isn't damaged in the cutscene you can't say he was shot from the front. In fact there's blood splatters ON the window.

That contextual information alone suggests he was shot from behind.

[onyx latch]

Eh. I don't see it.

Which really is like 99% of the problem I have with the scene that you're refusing to address despite it being what bothers me significantly more.

[west rock]

Got it, so you're dismissing provided context for the sake of pushing your headcanon.

[onyx latch]

No, I'm saying the context you're providing doesn't track with how we know plasma works, the timing of the dialogue in the scene, and that you're assuming something happened that we know, from context happened entirely offscreen and has no elaboration whatsover, and failing to address that I have a bigger issue with it occuring offscreen than anything else.

The difference is extremely simple.

We see what happened with Linda.

We don't see what happened with Carter.

[west rock]

It happening offscreen isnt really a problem to me, especially not with how the scene sets it up.

[onyx latch]

Excellent for you, but I'm not so easily sated.

[west rock]

You literally start the cutscene with the remaining members of Noble Team already being pursued and shot at by multiple Banshees.

[onyx latch]

Whoa, no way

Really?

I don't believe you.

I don't even remember seeing a single 'banshee' in that level. In fact, I'm pretty sure you're yanking my chain, there's not even a vehicle called a Banshee in Halo.

[west rock]

More like you easily dismiss visual storytelling and need to be spoonfed everything that occurs to make sense of it.

And then go "this would be better" by making up your own fanfiction about Jorge making it all the way to the last level.

[onyx latch]

My guy, you're the one still assuming a plasma burn is an exit wound.

[west rock]

No damage to the Pelican canopy window

Blood splatter pattern is on the inside of the window and fans outward

Gee, I wonder why I came to that conclusion.

[civic sundial]

I'd need to take another look at it, but it's a decal that gets reused a few times. So that's not surprising at all

[onyx latch]

Yeah, and I had the same thought years ago.

And then I dismissed it.

[west rock]

So you assumed correctly all those years ago and now you're second guessing yourself?

That's a you issue, not the stories problem.

[onyx latch]

because it doesn't track with how plasma works, at all, even by Bungie's own logic; And even then it still happens entirely offscreen, which is, again, my biggest issue with it.

[west rock]

Then just say you dont like him getting injured being offscreened and leave it at that

Don't make up additional reasons that dont exist just to justify it

[onyx latch]

I did, you just got into a fury over me disagreeing with the exit wound statement. Because I still think it's ridiculous.

[onyx latch]

I posted it above.

[west rock]

Fury? Do you need the idea of me being mad for some reason?

[onyx latch]

Do you need to turn it to that?

[west rock]

You brought it up

[onyx latch]

Anyways, Linda.

The reason Linda's fine is because it's narratively accounted for in all aspects; She's visibly injured in front of the character POV, we know exactly how, when, and where the injuries occured, what caused them, et cetera.

[west rock]

Different medium

[onyx latch]

Irrelevant.

[west rock]

Books are obligated to explain every detail to make up for the lack of visual storytelling.

[onyx latch]

Again, irrelevant.

[west rock]

Reach, being a video game, is not limited.

You have that added layer of visual storytelling.

[onyx latch]

And I disagree with using that, or Linda, as a shield for Carter.

[civic sundial]

It's still nice to see what injured someone when you have a visual medium

[west rock]

Heck you literally admitted that you yourself correctly put the pieces together over a decade ago when Reach released.

[onyx latch]

'Admitted'.

No, I came to a different conclusion than I did earlier. Mostly due to, again, the nature of the injury.

[west rock]

But before we get hung up on Carter, I want to move to another point you mentioned.

Why do you have a problem with Jorge's death?

[civic sundial]

Like, regardless of the how Carter got injured, Reach does not convey to the player what it was that caused his injuries in that cutscene well

[onyx latch]

Which I'd have rather have been talking about this entire damn time.

[west rock]

Then let's talk about it.

[onyx latch]

... That's... Why I'm typing...

[west rock]

On mobile, can't see that until the app 'catches up' after switching back to it.

[onyx latch]

Jorge's death is irritating to me because he is the only member of Noble that has a strong connection to Reach, and it would have been more narratively impactful, in my opinion, to have him not only watch his attempt fail, but watch the entire planet fail to be saved.

I'm not the biggest fan of tying the end of Reach so tightly with Halo CE's. I get that Bungie wanted to be the pigeon at the chess game in response to Microsoft having FoR written, but even as someone who dislikes FoR, I feel it cheapens the narrative and turns it away from the planet's fall itself. Which is amusing.

[west rock]

Okay i definitely disagree here.

[onyx latch]

Yeah, yeah, hope, yadda yadda.

[west rock]

Jorge's death is meant to be this bittersweet sacrifical scene.

[onyx latch]

I know, and I don't care.

[west rock]

Reach is his home planet, and as you said he's the member with the strongest connection to it.

So of course he'd be willing to stay behind and nuke himself with a jury-rigged slipspace bomb to save it.

[onyx latch]

My issue with it has very little to do with why he makes the sacrifice, it's the fact it was made in the first place.

Reach wastes its most 'human' character too early, which is why it bothers me.

[west rock]

I dont have a problem with it honestly.

In fact the setup that you just took out the supercarrier just to hear "Slipspace rupture detected" is a perfect scene to me.

[onyx latch]

Meh.

[west rock]

Jorge died thinking he just saved his homeworld.

[onyx latch]

... Why do you say that like I didn't also hear that dialogue?

[west rock]

I didn't.

[onyx latch]

Also was never really a fan of New Alexandria as a level.

I like the concept, not the execution. Ditto with Exodus.

[west rock]

Ehh I can admit New Alexandria was the weakest level of the Reach campaign

Flying around in a falcon is fun for a while but it would have benefitted from that not being the entire level.

[onyx latch]

Shutdown and NA are both fun gimmick levels once.

[west rock]

If there's any segment I dont like

It's replaying the Saber combat segment above Heroic difficulty on MCC

[onyx latch]

I like the challenge.

[west rock]

Challenge is one thing, and I got that in the legacy version.

Because the AI behavioral bugs never got fixed due to the upped tickrate it borderlines on unfairness at times.

I never had to hide behind Anchor 9 on 360 as much as I did on MCC.

[onyx latch]

Tickrate got upped in the PC port.

[west rock]

I know

I... I just said that.

[onyx latch]

Update for the edit didn't go through until now.

[west rock]

Since the tickrate was increased on the PC port it broke the AI a bit and as a result they're far more aggressive than they should be.

[onyx latch]

On Jorge, as an aisde-I strongly prefer having a humanized character get slowly 'deconstructed' over the course of a game. For example, having Kat go like she was originally meant to, or Emile.

Jorge being bitter about that, and increasingly bitter, alternated between concern and desperation as the campaign draws to a close, would've extracted more narrative value out of his character.

Course, it'd have also been something I'd have preferred coinciding with a campaign more focused on the themes of Exodus and New Alexandria-evacuation op and getting ground into the dirt in a losing ground war.

[west rock]

That would be a cool story for a mod that does a retelling, but I'm also fine with what we got.

[onyx latch]

Jorge has a personal connection with the world and its people, and to me it just kinda feels like a waste to not spend most of the game exploring that.

I need to do the unthinkable and shower. I feel a liking for Halo 3 coming on, and I'd like to forestall that horrible disease.

[west rock]

I mean who DOESN'T like Halo 3?

[onyx latch]

... Me.

Ironically, ODST's the campaign I like the most out of the entire franchise, but I dislike 3.

[west rock]

ODST is a good campaign yes

In fact Bungie considered ODST to be the best one they ever made.

[onyx latch]

I like to headcanon that the cop sergeant in the ONI building is a former ODST.

[west rock]

ODST is probably my favorite campaign, which is no small feat considering that game was made in one year.

[onyx latch]

It's almost as though centering Halo solely around Master Chief and his goober behavior is kind of a waste of narrative value for the franchise that makes the universe feel small-

[west rock]

I mean the first three games WAS Master Chief's story.

But after his story (technically) ended at 3 it opened the door to tell other stories.

[civic sundial]

I have plenty of issues with Halo 3 and how it wrapped things up, especially with how Arbiter feels like a side character at best during the campaign

Oh and Cortana is my least favourite level in Halo. Of all time. Ever

[onyx latch]

I still think a hypothetical Halo 4 where you play as an ODST-turned Spartan IV would've been better, personally. Kind of like Black Ops 3 or Titanfall 2, when you start as just some dude, then get upgraded to badass.

[west rock]

While I agree Arbiter should have been more involved I'm not too dissatisfied because he at least got a conclusion by killing the Prophet of Truth.

Halo 3's biggest shortcoming was that its basically just Bungie making everything they werent able to originally add into Halo 2's campaign

[onyx latch]

'And then for no reason Truth became a gibbering madman who talks about creeping Demons'

[civic sundial]

Truth's behaviour in Halo 3 would work if he was the Prophet of Mercy, the one who was always more fanatical sounding of the Prophets

But alas Truth completely changed as a character

[west rock]

It does feel like its missing a plot point.

Because it sets up like he's slowly going insane over the course of the campaign but we never get to see that

[civic sundial]

Which to be clear, that's not the fault of the voice actor changing, that happens all the time in the industry, it's to do with whoever was directing the cutscenes and writing the story that Truth's character shifts so much

[west rock]

Not having Truth's original VA was still an unfortunate loss though.

[onyx latch]

Damn you, Marty

[west rock]

Not to say the one in 3 didnt do a good job.

I just loved how Truth sounded in 2.

[civic sundial]

Indeed

[west rock]

The voice actor for Truth in 2 did an amazing job at portraying him as a manipulator.

[civic sundial]

His Halo 2 VA just chose not to return, nothing happened to him between 2 and 3 releasing

[west rock]

Still unfortunate, because I liked how he did the character

[edgy forum]

Can’t wait for the Community Stream on Friday for the next Operation

[tulip tusk]

should be interesting with green blub

if so

[edgy forum]

Green

[keen silo]

Green

[crystal iron]

In Halo CE anniversary does anyone remember how to reach the transition to the third chasm cause I'm blanking

[west rock]

Wish I could post my tier list for the Halo games here

But since I can't I could just do it via text.

[rocky oasis]

no imagine perms for you 👊

[sturdy kernel]

Imgur links are existing

[west rock]

💀

[civic sundial]

I can post my tier list though

[west rock]

Well yours certainly looks different than mine

[fossil harbor]

Imagine missing out on the best campaign yet

[west rock]

Dude really missed out on peak arcade experience

[civic sundial]

I don't exactly live next to an arcade

[crystal iron]

In Halo CE anniversary does anyone remember how to reach the transition to the third chasm cause I'm blanking

[west rock]

I mean you dont have to, but you should certainly look for it at any Dave & Buster's

[civic sundial]

I have an idea of where a Fireteam Raven machine may be but I haven't had the chance to double check it exists

[rocky oasis]

halo 3 on meh is nasty, nasty work 🙅‍♀️

i dont fw it

[civic sundial]

Those aren't really a thing here in the UK

[edgy forum]

Wish I could post my Tier list here

[civic sundial]

That's purely the story knocking it down that far

[west rock]

Imgur links work here yes?

[fossil harbor]

Putting halo 3 on par with the top down games is questionable but if its story I’m not gonna disagree

[rocky oasis]

halo 5 and 3 on equal footing i see lol

[edgy forum]

I agree that Fireteam Raven is the only Halo game that I haven’t played yet

[civic sundial]

And the level Cortana. I have so many issues with that level

[west rock]

https://imgur.com/HmUHpqs

[edgy forum]

Halo 3’s story has so many plot holes and inconsistencies

[west rock]

It did not work

[edgy forum]

Like why does Johnson keep getting captured every 3 levels? That doesn’t sound like Johnson

[fossil harbor]

No image perms, that’s just the alternative solution tho

[west rock]

Well either way, take a look

[fossil harbor]

Someone else that thinks infinite is a yawnfest 🤝

[civic sundial]

I think had Halo 2's campaign been properly balanced, it'd be higher than it is on my tierlist. But alas that's the main thing dragging it down in my eyes

[west rock]

Because it is, I'm not afraid to say that.

[rocky oasis]

i fw that one way more id put h4 higher though.

[west rock]

The core gameplay loop is one of the best in the series but its everything ELSE surrounding it that makes it sleep inducing for me

Plus they ruined Delta Arena by giving it BR starts.

[rocky oasis]

and open world 😭

who asked for farcry lol

[west rock]

I look at the games as a whole, and to me Halo 4 is the weakest in the main series by far.

[civic sundial]

Going open world was a big thing for plenty of games around 2020/2021

[fossil harbor]

The open world has its moments but it’s so evident that they just didn’t have enough time to flesh it out

I wanna visit that crashed guardian so bad

[rocky oasis]

curious youd put reach in s tier then if your also counting controversies and mp etc

[civic sundial]

Open world games are also much trickier to design too. Since you can't curate as easily which way a player is coming from for every encounter

[rocky oasis]

i feel like anyone who s tiers reach has to at least b tier 4 haha

[civic sundial]

Oh how I wish we could've too. I'd have loved a mini-DLC that adds it as a playable area and it explained why we saw no Prometheans on Zeta during the story

[west rock]

I dont care about controversies, just overall quality.

[civic sundial]

Like, I really like the idea that they retreated to the Guardian to await instructions or protect something

[rocky oasis]

4 was pretty high quality though, disregarding spartan ops. it was 343s only game to actually release fully on release lol

[west rock]

Halo 5's forge mode, custom games browser, and social playlist actually being unranked is what kept it out of C tier for me.

[rocky oasis]

everything else for the other games was added later

not to mention 5s mtx

[west rock]

Released with a poor substitute for Firefight, the worst Forge mode in the series bar none, and objectively the worst MP.

[rocky oasis]

man said objectively lol

[crystal iron]

Anyone's Halo Reach MCC not working?

[rocky oasis]

in what way? its working fine for me!

[fossil harbor]

Halo 4’s forge pallet somehow looks worse than reach’s. It’s impressive honestly

[civic sundial]

Only change to Halo 4's multiplayer that was needed was the removal of custom loadouts from the majority of PvP modes. It was fine for Spartan Ops for you to have custom loadouts

[west rock]

There is literally a chart of Halo 4's MP numbers that showed it tank to microscopic levels in a month

[civic sundial]

That doesn't make it objectively the worst though

[crystal iron]

Like I click on it to play and it just takes me back to the main screen

[west rock]

It kinda does if it was nearly abandoned a month after launch

[rocky oasis]

hrmm thats weird af. you have it installed?

kinda, just not actually lol

[west rock]

See everyone says that but the only mode that encourages wasting your life savings on REQ packs is Warzone.

[crystal iron]

Yep was playing it a couple days ago but then it just stopped. I have the entire Master Chief Collection installed

[west rock]

I got any armor I could want either from achievements, Waypoint, or the free gold packs.

[rocky oasis]

mh, armour could be used elsewhere

[fossil harbor]

Loot boxes in a 60 dollar game is wild tho

[west rock]

Up until I got the Reach armor from a free Gold pack I only ever wore Helioskrill

[rocky oasis]

no idea sorry. maybe try verifying the installation?

[crystal iron]

Alr thanks

[rocky oasis]

kids these days would lambast you for that statement lol

[civic sundial]

That was the norm back in 2015

[keen silo]

blizzard would like to know your location

[civic sundial]

I remember it too well, so many games were doing lootboxes

[fossil harbor]

I mean yeah lol it’s impossible to not mention overwatch in this case

[west rock]

With the current state of MCC I thought B tier was more than fair

If there was a seperate category for launch MCC, immediately put in Sleepy tier

[edgy forum]

It is meant to be an open world because Halo at the start was originally supposed to be big. Unless you’re a Far Cry enjoyer and love exploring, doing tasks it should be no problem for anybody. But you gotta give Halo Studios the benefit of the doubt that this is their first time doing an open world Halo.

[rocky oasis]

id say a. its 343s other game that isnt awful

[edgy forum]

Again look at what I said

[rocky oasis]

they almost added mtx. not quite though

[west rock]

For me it needs a few more QoL fixes to bump up to A, so top of B just felt right to me.

[rocky oasis]

more than fair!

[civic sundial]

The thing with MCC is that it's a collection of games, which is why I didn't put it on my tierlist. Instead I was just taking into account the changes and additions MCC added to each game for my tierlist

[edgy forum]

Honestly would rather go back to loot boxes these days than Season Passes and stuff

[rocky oasis]

it was also the game to bring halo to pc though as well 🙌

[edgy forum]

I feel like you have a fair and better chance of unlocking something than pay for it or some means

COD has ruined that Season pass model now

[west rock]

Yeah which helps its case.

It's actually playable now and you get 6 games for the value of 10 dollars when it goes on sale on the Steam store.

[fossil harbor]

No thanks, I’ll take shop prices over gambling

[rocky oasis]

honestly would rather go back to the days where everyone was against microtransactions and would stop defending them or wishing for lootboxes again lol

[edgy forum]

I’m actually legit serious

Because of how CoD Is with their MTX you might as well go back to loot boxes

[keen silo]

Season passes are easier to slide through government regulations, so the transition in gaming makes sense. Loot boxes not so much

[west rock]

As for Combat Evolved I feel like that game speaks for itself when it comes to being at the top of S tier

[rocky oasis]

yeah thats true as well

[edgy forum]

Objectively earning the chances of unlocking them rather than paying $30 for a crummy season pass ahem COD ahem

[west rock]

Even 24 years later its got some of the best replayability in the series.

[rocky oasis]

objectively what?

[fossil harbor]

Always felt like 3 had the best replayability

[edgy forum]

Not unless your FIFA or NFL EA games

Those are the worst with the amount of MTX

[keen silo]

I mean obviously. It’s an EA title

[civic sundial]

I'm gonna be completely honest, I have no clue what's going on with COD these days. I thought they were going back to the grounded feel but then I saw a video of someone who looked like a half dead cyborg executing someone with a unicorn shooting rainbows... I don't think that happened in the 90s

[edgy forum]

I honestly didn’t find REQ packs to be that bad

As long as you’re dedicated to grinding the game and earning them you should be fine

[rocky oasis]

i dont really know whatd constitute replayablity tbh but i love the games with pve content like odst reach and even 4 though to a way lesser extent because i dont care for pvp.

[edgy forum]

It’s the AI replacing the Zombies VA’s that made me quit entirely

[keen silo]

Same. The few times I can introduce someone to Halo, I start with 3. It’s the most beginner friendly I would think

[west rock]

Its up there but there's one thing that holds it back

Cortana on Legendary

[civic sundial]

The REQ system wasn't perfect but the majority of it was cosmetics, with the gameplay affecting items only really affecting a couple modes, being the Warzone modes

[crystal iron]

In Halo CE anniversary do you remember how to reach the transition to the third chasm cause I'm blanking

[edgy forum]

Only one mode yeah

[rocky oasis]

recently ive been loving trying out firefights with the odst characters and reach voices like buck, johnson and stacker i never appreciated it but it adds a lot of personality and classic halo comedy

[civic sundial]

Oh I hate that so much, especially since I'm an aspiring VA

[fossil harbor]

It just feels damn good to play, I think the way 3 feels holds up to modern standards whereas you can kinda feel the age of other games around it

[rocky oasis]

what is the 🏳️‍⚧️ition to the 3rd chasm lol

is this the new gender?

[edgy forum]

Again everybody has their own subjectivity on these games, no need to gatekeep here folks. If people love Halo 4 and 5, let them love 4 & 5.

I’m honestly glad that you love 4 because it’s a fresh opinion to hear in 2025

[fossil harbor]

I love being slowed down every 5 seconds to hear the gravemind waffle about some cryptic nonsense

[rocky oasis]

yeah 100%. its shy i appreciate mcc so much so much stuff

[edgy forum]

I was impressed by 4 in 2012 when I was in middle school and fondly remember it

I thought the graphics were amazing

[fossil harbor]

Halo 4 looks incredible for a 360 game

[rocky oasis]

halo 4s graphics were insane at the time. they still are

[crystal iron]

It's an objective on Halo CE anniversary part of the assault on the control room mission.

[edgy forum]

Mentioned in the Guinness Book Video Games 2013 for best graphics along with Battlefield 3

[fossil harbor]

The section where you walk out of the wreckage to see the surface of Requiem is one of my favorite Halo moments

[edgy forum]

I think that was the book I had

[rocky oasis]

oh uhh. i think i just bumped into walls until i found it lol. i tend to stumble my way through ce

something something banshee comes to mind?

[edgy forum]

5’s cutscenes and graphics ramped it up with the next gen hardware

[civic sundial]

I've been loving Halo 4 since day one since I was pretty new to the franchise at the time

[edgy forum]

I can’t wait to see what Unreal Engine 5 can do with Halo

[rocky oasis]

beatiful track too 🥰

[edgy forum]

I’m a Halo veteran since 2003

[fossil harbor]

Gives me chills

[crystal iron]

In Halo CE anniversary do you remember how to reach the transition to the third chasm cause I'm blanking

[civic sundial]

It was peak cinema. I just wish the cut dialogue about the Forerunner structures being more active than those on the Halos was kept

[edgy forum]

So I also quite fondly liked 4 in 2012 gaming

[civic sundial]

You need to be more descriptive than that

[rocky oasis]

try using a banshee @crystal iron

thats all i remember

[civic sundial]

2011 for me, started on my step-brother's copy of Halo 3

[crystal iron]

I wish I could be but that's all the objective says

[rocky oasis]

i didnt like halo 3 when i was young it took until reach for me to like it

[civic sundial]

What level are you on?

[crystal iron]

I'll try that

[rocky oasis]

which i got for free

[rocky oasis]

theyre on control room

[crystal iron]

Ye

[civic sundial]

Ah

[rocky oasis]

as a destiny kid halo 3 was like “i sleep” lol

i appreciate it much more now that im older though

[crystal iron]

Bro I wasn't even alive when Halo 3 came out

[rocky oasis]

lol how old are you?

[crystal iron]

16

[rocky oasis]

fair!

wiw bayby. im 21 lol

[crystal iron]

That's cool

[civic sundial]

Some of y'all are way too young (I say as an old 25 year old)

[fossil harbor]

I remember being stunned at how good the map Mercy looked

[civic sundial]

It's gonna look pretty good if the UE demo we saw is any indication. Plus UE is in general just a really good engine for devs to use for games

[fossil harbor]

Sometimes I have to remember I could be arguing with a 13 year old at any moment. 22 btw.

[rocky oasis]

i dont care about grafix i just want mcc to get some love 🫶🕊️

[rocky oasis]

you can usually tell haha

[edgy forum]

They just have to make sure to handle the Fidelity and all that because sometimes UE is funky

Can hinder your performance

[rocky oasis]

kids just have a vibe lol idk

[fossil harbor]

Yeah but sometimes it’s a dude with a language barrier and I don’t wanna assume lmao

[rocky oasis]

yeah true

[fossil harbor]

I love the broken English halo arguments ngl

[civic sundial]

We're at a point where realistic graphics in games is reaching a plateau so honestly I wouldn't mind if they just make Halo 7 or whatever it was called is a little bit more stylistic in its artstyle

[rocky oasis]

halo 7 on mcc ty

[edgy forum]

You can never assume or fully acknowledge anybody’s age regarding conversations. For all they can be a millennial who either loves 2001-2010 Halo or hates anything past 2010 Halo

[fossil harbor]

I enjoy all halo from 1999 to 2025

[civic sundial]

Aye, yeah, but it's still worth it if it means the team can focus more on making the game than they were previously where they had to also make and remake the engine for each game

[rocky oasis]

i enjoy all halo from ce to 4 lol

[edgy forum]

Same here

Even the Halo that never released like the Macworld Demo

[rocky oasis]

misread as macdonalds demo 😮‍💨

[fossil harbor]

I played the digsite mod of it, peak gaming (not really)

[rocky oasis]

ah yes 343s unpaid hires

[crystal iron]

I'm not that young

[rocky oasis]

16 is young!

[crystal iron]

Noooooo

[fossil harbor]

You aren’t even old enough to play Halo

[crystal iron]

Are to

[ancient sun]

I still haven't gone to play the e3 demo, which is what I care about most.

Did you play that?

[edgy forum]

E32003 Demo was certainly 2003 moment, best moment of my Halo career

[fossil harbor]

I did yeah, it’s super short. Like 20 minutes.

[scarlet shuttle]

I don’t remember why I liked those game mode in Action Sack when I was younger.

[keen silo]

Same. I get the appeal of action sack, especially if you’re playing with friends or customs, but on my own? Meh

[west rock]

Im surprised nobody commented on my placing Reach in S tier

I usually get some resistance on that.

[west rock]

Action Sack is a mode that's perfect for just spending time with your xbox live buddies when you cant think of any other mode to play.

Because sometimes we'd want to play social slayer, sometimes we'd want to play BTB or CTF, and sometimes we wanted to do ranked.

So when we couldnt agree on anything we just voted to make Action Sack that time filler mode so we were at least playing something instead of just arguing in the lobby.

[fossil harbor]

Cuz it’s 📠

[west rock]

In terms of overall quality and content it really is the best Halo imo

A great campaign, really good matchmaking, one of the best Forge modes in the series at the time, improved and expanded Firefight mode, and a great selection of vanilla and DLC maps that gave way to a great custom games community

[west rock]

If I could ask any single thing from the Halo devs

It would be to please for the love of god move Invasion mode into the Social playlist for MCC

Why is Reach's best gamemode only available to pick in Ranked.

[edgy forum]

Eh, I’d say A tier

Not the greatest Halo game of all time that would be Halo 2

In fact if the multiplayer wasn’t crap I would be a 10/10 unfortunately weapon bloom exists

So sorry Reach fans your game is pretty above average

[west rock]

I'd have to disagree

Halo 2 is a great game but also a very buggy game.

[edgy forum]

Idk what makes it buggy

I’m pretty tired of everyone jerking off Reach. Think it has to do with the all hands on deck and Rose tinted glasses

[west rock]

Not really, it was just a decent game.

Besides bloom isnt a problem if you dont mash every button on your controller the moment a single pixel of an enemy pops into your crosshair.

I dont understand people rating the game lower than others solely on the basis of bloom, that was probably the smallest of what problems it had ever.

[edgy forum]

It really does make a huge difference because if you’re in a combat 9/10 you’re gonna lose if you don’t master the blooming technique and not many people are willing to handle that

[west rock]

Plus MCC even fixed the problem for those people by adding the alt modes that removed weapon bloom

[edgy forum]

Also this game caused the huge sprint debate which is the most ancient trope of all Halo game

There are a lot of things I can pick on this game that I find certainly to an extent that I can understand why people don’t like it

[west rock]

The only problem Reach had with sprint was that some maps just weren't designed for that specific armor ability.

And tbh, I always preferred Evade over sprint anyway

Hated how that ability was limited only to elites in the matchmaking gametypes.

[edgy forum]

Things that make Reach not as it is considered from a general audience’s point:
• The story is dumb from a perspective that you literally meet these guys for a day and in the span of a week they die off with no emotional attachment to them, unless you’re Jorge
• Again Sprint is what caused the whole debacle thing from Bungie’s legacy that continues to cause a lot of flame wars online within Halo and how it should be implemented
• The SBMM is intensely bad online and how fast you can get you wrecked by other, especially in Invasion
• Some people don’t like the realistic-grounded art style
• Most of the weapons from previous Halo games have been either replaced or missing which really impacts the sandbox
• Speaking of… the DMR is the worst sandbox weapon as it’s so unbalanced which throws every other option out of the window. Why use an AR unless you have a DMR? Why use the Magnum unless you have the DMR?
• Grinding takes forever and hellish when reaching to Inheritor
• From what someone said either here or on SGTBlair’s server, HCS wasn’t really that popular in Reach
• Pre-Order to wear Recon helmet??? Are you kidding me? That completely ruins the sense of accomplishment from doing the Vidmaster Achievements in Halo 3!
• Sadly this game influenced a lot of what’s to come in Bungie’s Destiny which caused a lot of controversy down the line (gameplay wise and the departure from MS)
• Legendary is extremely punishing sometimes, however, it’s not as bad as Halo 2 but only two levels are bad on Legendary: Pillar of Autumn and Long Night of Solace
• This game conflicts with the lore novel The Fall of Reach as certain dates & characters don’t seem to add up on the timeline
• Nostalgia doesn’t make this game any better than it was before because it can mentally reprimand your perception and enjoyment of the game
• This game introduces the annoying “Get back to the battlefield” warning aside of invisible barriers, ruins a sense of exploring outside the maps

[west rock]

A concise counterargument for most of those points:

• The story isnt about building character development, most of Bungie's era never was. You're on Reach to do a job and fill the role of a previously deceased member of an elite Spartan team and have to survive against what has been repeatedly stated in all games prior to be the largest Covenant invasion force in lore.
• Sprint was a minor issue at best at I would argue Armor Lock was far more broken as an ability. Besides, in Reach using Sprint was entirely by choice. Some modes in legacy Reach didnt even have Sprint in the abilities list.
• Reach's MMR in legacy was not an issue at all in ranked. Besides if you're referring to the unranked modes, yeah that was kind of the point. No ranking, no balancing. MCC and Halo Infinite could really use that right now, especially given Infinite's SBMM is a million times worse.
• The grittier art style is fine, and Halo's art style has always been more grounded to begin with. It's entirely a matter of personal taste rather than any sense of subjectivity.
• DMR was oppressive as all getout yes, but lets take a moment to dunk on YOUR favorite game as a counter-example. Why use any other weapon in Halo 2's sandbox when the BR and energy sword existed? Why use any other precision weapon when BXR was as overpowered as it was? Why use any other secondary when Sword Flying existed? Every Bungie game always had an OP weapon, the Reach DMR isnt even the most broken in the series let alone the Bungie era.
• Grinding doesn't take forever if you actually completed all the daily and weekly XP challenges and took part in double XP events and completed career XP rewards. I made it all the way to General Grade 2 in a pretty fair amount of time because of that.
• HCS is literally the least important part of Halo that I can possibly think of. Halo was always about fun factor first and competitive viability as an afterthought.

• Recon was not pre-order exclusive. You could still unlock Recon normally by playing the game. All pre-ordering did was let you get a specific variant of it early.
• Long Night of Solace is only terrible on MCC, not the legacy 360 version and thats because of an AI glitch that came from a result of the increased tickrate. I barely have to hide behind Anchor 9 at all on legacy Reach when doing Legendary. And Pillar of Autumn is not hard at all if you know what you're doing. That sounds like a genuine skill issue.
• Nostalgia isn't a factor for me, I can detach myself from my enjoyment and look at the game from an objective view. I'd still give it S tier from either perspective.
• The lore conflicts with Fall of reach are tenuous at best, and overplayed at worst. No one on the Bungie staff even wrote Fall of Reach during the time it came out anyway. That book came out all the way back during CE's prime when there was barely a story or lore.

[analog salmon]

this server has peaked

i just wanna say

i was here to experience this moment

[fossil harbor]

The duality of man

[west rock]

Don't forget that DMR starts weren't a thing outside of SWAT and the competitive playlists on 360 Reach.

It was only a map spawn weapon otherwise lol

MCC adding DMR starts just made the problem feel worse than it actually is.

[celest heron]

are we forgetting the needle rifle exists? it's literally better than the dmr except maybe long range.

[west rock]

DMR deals more damage per shot

Needler's only upsides are a faster fire rate and slightly better damage vs shields.

[signal ivy]

That book came out all the way back during CE's prime when there was barely a story or lore.
Small correction, the book came before CE was released

[west rock]

Ah, didn't know that. Thank you for the clarification.

[celest heron]

yes, and I pick up the nr over the dmr every time and regularly beat dmr users.

[west rock]

Needler Rifle is better at close range engagements for sure

But if you're trying to contest at long range the DMR will win 9 times out of 10.

[celest heron]

yeah, it's what I mentioned, but I don't play btb in reach.

[west rock]

You should try it. I loved playing BTB during the 360 days.

[analog salmon]

the map rotation is kinda borked in mcc

timberland over and over again

[west rock]

True, I do wish map voting came back.

[analog salmon]

and no paradiso 😔

[west rock]

I think MCC actually had it in its earlier versions

[analog salmon]

why would they remove such a classic

best heavies map imo

[west rock]

Not sure the reason, do hope it comes back though.

MCC does deserve a few more QOL updates.

[celest heron]

I guess I should've said anymore. btb and ffa was all I played on 360 and in the past on mcc.

[west rock]

Ohhh okay

[placid galleon]

Who Agrees that the Halo TV show isn't cannon?

[coarse dagger]

We know it's not canon

That was announced before the show launched, it's on a separate time line

[west rock]

No need to agree, it's pretty much known that it's basically a fanfiction that got a budget.

[celest heron]

and yet some people will complain about things in the show because they didn't happen in the game, lol.

[onyx latch]

... Anyone who paid attention? They literally announced it wouldn't be canon before the show even came out, what are you on about?

[placid galleon]

Ah well I didn't know-

[onyx latch]

Yes, that would require paying attention, and people tend to suck at doing that these days.

[ruby knoll]

number company ate my dog

i mean ring company

[spare finch]

sounds about right

[west rock]

I didn't like the silver timeline show but to be honest they made it pretty clear the show was doing its own thing.

Though I am of the opinion that Halo should have a series that adapts the games.

[onyx latch]

I'd hate that.

But then, I abhor lazy serieswriting,.

[drowsy nymph]

What next! Will you also abhor blatant money grabs too!

[onyx latch]

...

[rocky oasis]

yeah like i dont see why people hate the halo show so much. its a spinoff and is its own thing so who cares

if you dont like it or something thats ok but its not an affront haha

[rocky oasis]

would that really be all that interesting? maybe adapts loosely but just watching the games on telly seems a little strange

even the last of us made some changes, though imo not enough

[west rock]

I think it would be. Don't forget that the first Halo game was successfully adapted into a book.

So I think if you took the cool lore additions from the novelization and adapted that into a series it would be pretty sweet.

[rocky oasis]

fair i wouldnt know. but id assume it was a bit different in some ways. the showwriters had a point in that you cant just make the same story twice. mastercheif would be a joke of a character to anyone who isnt already a halo fan

[west rock]

Plus the novelization isnt just following Chief, you also get that whole subplot with Zuka 'Zamamee. The Elite that was hunting down chief for the entire story.

[rocky oasis]

yeah see thats what i mean haha its not exactly the same

in a good way i think

[west rock]

To be honest I dont take what the show writers for the Halo show say very seriously.

They were adamant that you can't make a character with no face work in a TV Show, even though The Mandalorian was out at the same time.

[rocky oasis]

fair, but their point was films and shows as mediums have different goals to games i think

[west rock]

True but thats why you need good directors and writers to carry the change in medium

[rocky oasis]

games stories, unless explicitly told like movies, would always be a bit weird to adapt 1 to 1. again even last of us didnt do that

[west rock]

I never understood their defense for Chief needing to constantly show his face in the show. Almost every game in the series both under Bungie and 343 did a good job of conveying emotion for him without needing his face on display.

[rocky oasis]

lol i think a good deal of it is trying to justify the budget of the actor but i hear you

[west rock]

Without a character's face to rely on conveying emotion, you're forced to get creative and use other means to achieve that. Lighting, camera angles, music, body language, etc.

[rocky oasis]

no i totally agree haha

besides its canon his head is just a smaller version of his helmet anyway

[west rock]

I think the right team could make an adaptation of the games work for sure.

[rocky oasis]

i dont think they wanted to

[west rock]

Not the Silver staff no, but I wasnt referring to them in my desire for an actual adaptation of the games.

The Silver writers wanted to do their own thing, and while I didn't like the show personally some people still did and that's okay.

[rocky oasis]

fair

[west rock]

Plus adapting the games into a show allows you to expand on things more.

The Halo games had a great story, but that story is also limited by outaide factors like deadlines, budget, hardware limitations for the systems the game is running on.

I believe the history of Halo 2's development is a widely recognized example.

[civic sundial]

I'd rather not have a show which is just "Here's Combat Evolved" when they could actually do something new

[keen silo]

Are you saying you don’t want the long rumored CE remake? Scandalous.

How dare a game dev studio try new things instead of only nostalgia baiting!

[civic sundial]

That's exactly what I'm saying

[keen silo]

Don’t get me wrong. I love combat evolved, I played that endlessly growing up.
And I get the remaster could’ve been better in a lot of ways.

But man I just want something new that isn’t a remaster or remake like people suspect.

[civic sundial]

Like, what would be gained from remaking Combat Evolved (Whether that be as a show or game)? New visuals for Installation 04 and maybe a few new details about the conflict there that ultimately aren't needed

I'd much rather the next game be continuing on from where we left off in Infinite, continuing the story of the Endless and Chief's fight against the Banished, and I'd want a TV show that tells a new story following new characters

Like, I don't really see how you'd rework Combat Evolved into a TV show without heavily changing the events

To use a different franchise which has had remakes as an example, Resident Evil's remakes have come between new releases, with the RE1 remake existing because the director of the game, Shinji Mikami, believing that the first Resident Evil hadn't aged well, RE2 remake being made alongside Resident Evil 7 meant that it wasn't taking away from progressing the story, even if it didn't progress the story further, it was providing people with a much easier way to access and experience that story, as original RE games used tank controls, which aren't easy to handle

[rocky oasis]

is the new ce remake being added to mcc?

[keen silo]

The book and game do a really good job of showing us the conflict on 04.
Unless the rewrite the whole dang thing, it’s totally done. What else can we do except maybe a survival game where you play as a marine

[civic sundial]

No remake has even been confirmed

It's just rumours

[rocky oasis]

oh shame. thanks

[keen silo]

It’s just folks speculating because of the engine switch

[rocky oasis]

oh fair

[civic sundial]

I've heard a few things but I've yet to actually read The Flood but I can't really imagine there's much else that could be added to the Alpha Halo conflict that really makes the events more interesting

[rocky oasis]

h3 remaster is a better choice

[civic sundial]

See, of all the Halo games, I would say a Halo 3 remake (Not a remaster, but I think if it did get one, I'd want the visuals to match with H2A's) would make more sense, given the game's shortcomings in regards to the story, but I'd still rather the resources be used for something new

Like, we're never gonna see Halo capture that exact feel of Halo 3 again, we need to move on from that

[keen silo]

Agreed. Touching up dialogue would be nice but a graphical update would nice as well.

[fossil harbor]

Fireteam raven port

[civic sundial]

I wouldn't mind Fireteam Raven getting ported to console and PC. I imagine it'd be done by a third party studio as HS will likely be more focused on their own projects (Unless a Fireteam Raven port is one of those projects)

[west rock]

You mean new visuals that are too far of a departure from the art direction of the original?

[west rock]

You can use the book as a frame of reference.

The Flood is literally a novelization of Combat Evolved.

[neat sage]

Doesn't halo ce spv3 follow the book a bit more

Haven't played it in forever

[west rock]

That depends, does it add Alpha Base and the elite spec ops guy that was stalking Chief throughout the whole book?

[neat sage]

I think alpha base was in it, I'll have to revisit it

[west rock]

If it has locations exclusive to the book like Alpha Base then I'd say yeah.

Plus I think CE can be reworked into a TV show pretty easily if it can be successfully reworked into a book.

[civic sundial]

My point is that there's no good reason to remake Combat Evolved, regardless of if it's a game or as a show

[west rock]

To bring in new fans and appeal to veteran fans.

What other reason do you need?

[civic sundial]

I could just read the book. I'd rather their efforts go towards making something new set within the world, like what was done with Fallout

[civic sundial]

You don't need remakes to bring in new fans

[west rock]

They tried that already, the Silver Timeline show got canceled after Season 2.

[west rock]

It's not a remake to adapt a game into a show, I don't think you know the difference between a remake and an adaptation.

Let's not forget that Microsoft also had an opportunity to get Halo put into Secret Level and they said no.