#halo-discussion

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steady void
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Yippee I started halo 3

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But in the first mission is hard to know where to go and the level design is a little bit bad also the UI and the controls

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I said that after playing reach

civic sundial
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Fair warning, the second to last mission in Halo 3 is a horribly designed mission

echo patio
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I like Halo wars spartan 2ʻs

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is fireteam omega cannon?

civic sundial
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Omega Team is canon, their appearance in Halo Wars 2 multiplayer isn't as they aren't on the Ark

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They also got a short story earlier this year

lament pasture
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Finally completed season 1 of halo infinite :)

snow dagger
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Congrats! Are you trying to complete all the battle passes?

flat delta
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why are forerunner guns so trash

warped yew
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Because they're just weak copies of previous guns instead of being unique and having a niche in a certain place

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Like the AR's niche was that it could easily mow down a group of grunts

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Why was the sentinel beam never in any of the 343 games till Infinite lol. The only forerunner gun we had since then

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Heatwave, Cindershot, and Sentinel beam. Muah

keen silo
warped yew
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Also idk if this a hot take

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Never in campaign though. Doesn't help it was obtainable through REQ packs

keen silo
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Ohhhhh

warped yew
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Anyway back to my point. What if the Mantis was brought back or in some form. But it has more mobility because it can jump and boost

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It's also a bit faster just a bit slower than a warthog

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Like Armored Core kinda :))

keen silo
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I would like the Mantis back. I miss the mini AC

warped yew
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I love the Mantis in concept, but it's just another Scorpion with different guns

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Slow and heavy. Long range guns. We've seen this before

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I just want more uniqueness between drivable vehicles.

keen silo
warped yew
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Yep. Cougar is one of them right?

keen silo
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And the Rhino, Cobra, Grizzly, Colossus, etc...

warped yew
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Smh. Imagine. Moving like an Armored Core Next fighting against a Grunt Golbin also moving like a Next

keen silo
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That would be fun but BtB maps would have to be SO MUCH bigger to compensate

warped yew
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True but this is 1 vehicle that's gonna be hard to balance with other sandbox items

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Just make it campaign and forge exclusive. Let the fans make a balanced map because you know they will

keen silo
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I can see players being able to pilot a grunt goblin. That would be fun, if not annoying

warped yew
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Just more vehicles that hold passengers would be nice.

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Falcon, Scorpion, and more Banished focused vehicles too

tulip tusk
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Mantis with passenger spot on shoulders is funny

keen silo
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That’s a very funny visual. It’s like a Helldiver standing on top the Patriot mech

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You know what vehicles I really want though? Units like the Vampire or Locust. Or the hawks from Halo Wars 1

smoky forge
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May I introduce you to h3 modding?

lament pasture
warped yew
lament pasture
warped yew
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Heatwave is just a better scattershot

lament pasture
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Anything is better than the scattershot

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Ngl all the halo 4 promethean weapons were nigh useless

warped yew
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In halo 5, it had a very weak niche where it would bounce off a wall but quickly dissappear. Glad Halo Infinite added to that

echo patio
lament pasture
echo patio
lament pasture
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Yuh

warped yew
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I hope forerunner enemies are more fleshed out. Enforcers for starters

jade pebble
lament pasture
# jade pebble clearly someone who didnt know what to do with them

Scattershot - Just a glowing shotgun

Suppressor - Pray to god you land a shot on a target more than a sneeze away

Boltshot - Glowing pistol

Binary Rifle - Glowing sniper rifle that gave away your position to everyone when you scoped in

Incinerator Cannon - The only cool one, even if it's just a glowy rocket launcher

Lightrifle - Glowy dmr/battle rifle

jade pebble
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Scattershot felt more powerful than a regular shotgun, suppressor was eh but had a crazy rate of fire, boltshot was a shotgun in a pocket, binary killed with a single shot, incenerstor obviously just incredible and lightrifle combined dmr and battle rifle and in some way felt better than both

cedar slate
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you know... i was remembering my first experience with CE back in the day, i played it on castillian spanish, and the game was dubbed to that version of Spanish, in a very....campy way.

the forerunner were called... Precursors on that dub lmao (Precursores)

jade pebble
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Id say theyve made more of the hardlight with the new guns but I think they could bring back some of this stuff

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Incenerator as a wieldable hardlight nuke would be insane. Maybe one or two shot max capacity

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The binary was great too and giving away your location was part of the debuff the gun needed since no matter what you hit with it, your opponent died

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You were also forced to aim with it as it had no snapshot aim reticle

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@lament pasture

spare finch
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Someone hit the ground, fell half-way through it, and superman punched me out of existence 💀

echo patio
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Im more of a mele person in infinite i just use the assulat rifle and pistol to get em low then get close and finish them off with my fists

celest heron
lament pasture
spare finch
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H2A (MCC) is though

celest heron
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oh, well it was also in h5.

lament pasture
echo patio
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or whenever i have an assalt rife or pistol

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honestly i really like the presicsion weapons though like the snipers skewers and shock rifles

lusty wraith
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Day ~1000 and bots are still ruining FFA games

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Please I beg, remove bots from FFA thank you kindly

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Nothing more aggravating than a bot that decides to just turn on aimbot and instant-kill you crossmap on spawn making you lose that snipers match

echo patio
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didnt know they were that deadly

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whenever i am put with bots on the same team they usually sell

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i should proabably give them snipers

hushed nest
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Fun fact about Halo Infinite:

If you see a player with cat ears it can mean two things

  1. Run because if they're on the enemies side in Slayers. you're screwed because they're overpowered

  2. If they're on your side. they're the hot shot.

why is it always the spartan with cat ears that has to be the most sharp shooter. what's your secret?

onyx latch
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Estrogen, mostly.

keen silo
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It’s in the cat ears. Even we don’t know how it works

white birch
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Depends on if they're OG owners or not. If they're OG owners they've been playing the game for 3 years

civic sundial
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I'm one of the OG cat ears owners and I'm proud of it

echo patio
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what if they just buy it

echo patio
echo patio
zenith holly
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I've hit brigadier general onyx for my career rank, I'm nearly there!!

sturdy kernel
civic sundial
delicate lantern
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Yo

warped yew
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You didn't explain it well

delicate lantern
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Alright

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If I have my camera faced downwards (halo mcc reach), the moment I move, the camera auto-centres itself which hinders my gameplay.

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Any way to fix this?

warped yew
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Sounds like stick drift

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Buy an entirely new controller

civic sundial
delicate lantern
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Not stick drift

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Would hope that its brands new as I opened the box 2 hours ago

analog salmon
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its a toggle in controller settings

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in mcc

delicate lantern
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Lifesaver, cheers. I’ll try it tomorrow

analog salmon
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you're welcome 😄

lapis steppe
civic sundial
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Embrace the cat ears, let your heightened senses help you win

edgy turret
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Alright, i'm just gonna post this here, because i keep getting a generic error in the halo threads or otherwise being made to wait 15 minutes from slowmode only for nothing to happen ever; I want to bring to the MCC team's attention that Halo 3's golf club and cup/flag object have had incorrect textures/shaders compared to the original game for a long time now, but the support ticket i submitted a while back was closed because my report of an in-game issue was apparently not an in-game issue and therefor could not be confirmed (???), so how can i show this to the MCC team so that it may get fixed at some point?
https://i.imgur.com/QWZL8Ph.png

harsh granite
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Wonky shaders are practically a feature of mcc at this point. There is only one avenue to ever report bugs and that is what you already tried…might be out of luck.

glacial tartan
civic sundial
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I'd rather they focus on the hacker and cheater problem first

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Then making Elite hitboxes consistent in Halo 3

edgy turret
edgy turret
# glacial tartan Its an issue, but way down on the priority list 😄

I just figure with the effort that went into correcting Halo CE's classic visuals, that restoring the textures and shaders for a weapon and forge object could be done in a pinch

I understand it's a very small thing and has no impact on gameplay, but it would be one less thing off the list at least

civic sundial
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Like, the default helmet for them has the neck hitbox, but the rest don't

edgy turret
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Oh, the neck thing i actually knew of, i just misunderstood your message and thought there was some new inconsistency the MCC introduced

glacial tartan
civic sundial
edgy turret
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I wonder how high up the priority list that is

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Considering that does affect gameplay, it should be fairly high up

glacial tartan
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The only list that exists is the known issues list, but we have no idea if any of thats being worked on and some arguably more important issues (like the cheating issue mentioned above) arent going to be discussed publicly.

So, there are changes needed, but no idea if or when they are being worked on.

Nobody has any idea whats happening, enjoy the game and hopefully changes happen 😄

echo patio
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Halo in Unreal engine would be cool

glacial tartan
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Halo functioning in its current engine would also be cool

echo patio
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yea

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i mean infinite graphics are pretty cool

harsh granite
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The graphics are at minimum standard for the level of game it is. Nothing special about them.

echo patio
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i thought they were good honestly

harsh granite
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Compared to what, Halo CE?

echo patio
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If they put in unreal engine will it be more realistic?

echo patio
harsh granite
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There are none before that

peak patio
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I’m better

echo patio
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but it does take away the simplicity when u make it more realistic

civic sundial
edgy turret
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(Just my two cents)

magic night
white birch
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Also, yeah, styilization helps the game keep its feet well after its aged over too.
No one complains about Republic Commando's graphics, because they work

ruby lake
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i wanna see more AAA games with stylized artstyles at least

smoky forge
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realism is fine, it is just prohibitively expensive for all but the largest game studios to reach.

ruby lake
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yet they spend so much money like

smoky forge
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the pursuit of more "realism" is wasteful, and lends itself to harsh criticisms as soon as something doesn't look "better"

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remember the Infinite reveal when the graphics got panned so hard they delayed a year?

ruby lake
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yep

smoky forge
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I would honestly be fine with Halo 3 level graphics, for ever. (better faces though)

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I mean, the single best selling game of all time is exclusively pixelated blocks

ruby lake
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lol

civic sundial
civic sundial
# ruby lake realism is getting boring in my opinion

Aye. Like, I think they do have a place in the industry, specifically in horror where the fact something looks realistic can be used to make it even more horrifying, but I am so desperate for AAA games to experiment more

white birch
civic sundial
civic sundial
ruby lake
smoky forge
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Every gaming platform has finite resources. Developers have to prioritize how to use those. The more you crank up model fidelity and texture resolution, the fewer entities you can handle, the less complex AI decision trees you can handle

ruby lake
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them trees are gonna look like cardboard from afar

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"HEY GUYZ LOOK AT THIS REAAALLSTIC PROTAGONIST NUMBER 373636!! ignore those buggy trees and rocks out there but- LOOK! HE GOT A GUN!"

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i feel like AAA games are turning into cinematic movies

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thats just my opinion still

civic sundial
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What was that one game called that was basically just that again? I think it had werewolves in Victorian London?

smoky forge
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eh, also depends on the genre.

crystal iron
civic sundial
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That's it yes!!

crystal iron
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That's like, "c i n e m a t i c" the game lol

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Even the mechanics are hindered by it

harsh granite
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Halo reach is probably the level of graphical fidelity that a Halo game should try to achieve. From there on focus should be on effects and stylization.

smoky forge
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100

civic sundial
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Like sure, cutscenes look great but where's my gameplay

harsh granite
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Halo infinite particle effects are a joke for example

civic sundial
ruby lake
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and then make the gameplay less than 5 minutes with nonstop character dialogue along with some orchestral music that'll be forgotten in 3 months or less (typical.)

harsh granite
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Honestly they just need to stop developing for past gen consoles…I know that’s not fair to some, but it really seems to hinder development quality and time 10-fold.

ruby lake
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yeah but people still play the old consoles like the ps4

harsh granite
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I know, hence the “not fair” part

ruby lake
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idk if sony did backwards compatibility for the ps5 yet

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for (almost) all ps4, 3, 2, and 1 games

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-# also, ps5 pro? it hasnt been 5 years yet.

civic sundial
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How many games does the PS5 even have? Like genuinely I can only think of Spidey PS5, God of War Ragnarok and Last of Us

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But that last one is a remake

ruby lake
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most ps5 released titles have been ported to pc so

civic sundial
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And then they're remaking the second one despite it having already released with a version that works on PS5

ruby lake
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salt to the console's wound

civic sundial
ruby lake
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i think the ps5 will look out of place in my room

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its not really modern-modern looking

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so idk why they had to go for a yugioh jacket design

civic sundial
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The PS5 is also big. No way I could fit it in my room without having to move a bunch of stuff

smoky forge
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Anyways, back to Halo, one of the things that disappointed my in Infinite's campaign was the scale. We had open world, but did not have any truly large battles. Aside from having handful of marines vs a moderate number of enemies, there weren't really even any engagements that FELT as big as the ending battle of Two Betrayals

civic sundial
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And sure, the Series X is also big but it's at least a shape that's more accommodating

ruby lake
civic sundial
smoky forge
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I assumed that support for xbone meant that they would have to keep engagement sizes more tame, and it stung being right.

I don't think we'll ever get "Tip of the Spear" sized engagements, but at least multiple vehicles on each team

ruby lake
smoky forge
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fair, but we finally had ROOM for a larger scale battle to take place, compared to smaller linear environments

ruby lake
smoky forge
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If we're going to be deciding how to spend CPU and GPU power, I would be excited to see larger battles rather than more polygons on chief's knuckles

harsh granite
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Halo reach had “large” combat missions while keeping most of the actual battle in the distance. I think that is the right approach.

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Simulate the feel of being in a large battle without all the gpu stress

echo patio
harsh granite
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I’d rather play halo ce missions 10 times over than halo infinite’s one more time; just so insanely boring and uninspired.

smoky forge
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I will never forgive the letdown of being shown the huge battle in the Tip of the Spear intro cutscene and then "oops you're on your own". I get why they had to, but it stung

ruby lake
solar lily
harsh granite
civic sundial
harsh granite
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I mean, halo odst pulled of a sandbox perfectly.

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Halo can do it, 343 can’t

smoky forge
solar lily
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But that’s still a linear type of sandbox

harsh granite
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So is infinite’s tbh

solar lily
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I’m talking about open world, not open levels

harsh granite
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The Rookie’s “levels” are open world.

solar lily
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Yes, but they are still levels

ruby lake
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lol

solar lily
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Infinite tried one big map and it didn’t work

harsh granite
smoky forge
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Open Worlds work best when you can actually affect them by doing certain things or not. Skyrim you can change who owns cities by doing the civil war quests.

Infinite has a bunch of FOBs, banished bases, and Marine Squads, but there's no real punishment for skipping them all, and your reward is just more "favor" to call in weapons and vehicles

civic sundial
smoky forge
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A series of open levels, where there were things you could do or skip, and consequences that built from those decisions in the next levels, would have been neat

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If you skip saving the marines in level 2, well those marines died, you cannot go back and save them later

solar lily
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Yeah Infinite is just a big empty and boring playground

smoky forge
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for example

harsh granite
solar lily
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CE isn’t full sandbox but I agree it did it’s open levels right

echo patio
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as a new halo fan i enjoyed infinite

civic sundial
harsh granite
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CE silent cartographer and assault on the control room are always a good time.

warped yew
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As much as I love Pelican down and The Road

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The Road is too short and Pelican down is just walk from 1 area to the next with a ape breathing at you between those areas

civic sundial
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Silent Cartographer is great, Assault on the Control Room is great until about half way through and you realise you're still not at the Control Room and got even more grey corridors to run through

keen silo
livid walrus
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is infinite dead?

echo patio
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idk

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i still play lol for me it is fun

livid walrus
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whats its total player count?

echo patio
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idk

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101,765.00 players

livid walrus
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what the hell

harsh granite
livid walrus
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I thought people were complaining that its dead

harsh granite
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I’d multiply that by 3 or 4 times to estimate Xbox players

livid walrus
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what other lies have I been told by the council?

harsh granite
echo patio
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I ❤️ infinite

harsh granite
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Being generous, I’d say infinite has 10k daily across pc and Xbox

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But that’s a guesstimate

livid walrus
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thats still more than alive

harsh granite
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It’s alright. Not dead but not thriving.

livid walrus
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it says 21k 1 hour ago total

echo patio
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nice

smoky forge
harsh granite
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Huh?!

echo patio
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Ive been noticing more new players in infinite

smoky forge
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Silent Cartographer is neat that you can drive around the whole island, Assault on Control room has some large open vehicle areas, at least one with multiple paths, but only really the level Halo has objectives you can go to in different orders

harsh granite
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There are 2.1k players on steam right now. Estimating about 8.4k on Xbox. There is zero way to accurately count how many are live on Xbox rn.

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Idk where we getting 21k

delicate lantern
edgy forum
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Was that Halo Coffee I just saw?

warped yew
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Open. You don't have to do your objectives in order and throws alot of obstacles your way without feeling too strict

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Multiple ways to deal with your situations and rewards exploration

harsh granite
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Not necessarily all the level design (looking at you library), but the general mix of linear and semi-open level designs in CE is probably the best in the franchise.

edgy forum
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True

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Everything later on became linear until Reach where some missions were semi-open

harsh granite
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Full open world is just a terrible idea; because it needs almost flawless execution to get right, and 343 still needs to get linear style campaign right, so they jumped the gun.

edgy forum
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I only wish there was more to do after 100% because it gets quiet

smoky forge
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I mean, are there multiple ways?
You can either: do the normal starting beach battle, get the hog, go the normal way to the cartographer, get locked out, go to the security station, unlock it, go back to the cartographer
Or you can run away from the beach battle, get the hog, drive to the cartographer, and then follow the normal path.
You CAN drive the hog into the cartographer and skip the security station, and you CAN use jumps to skip much of the combat on the way DOWN to the cartographer, but excluding those as tricks, it is still a fairly linear level

harsh granite
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Another reason open world doesn’t work for a canon master chief story. Everything that happens matters for the main character of the entire franchise, so they can’t afford to experiment or have a huge amount of ability diversity.

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If they really were dying to make an open world game so much, they should have told a story of a platoon of odst’s from the infinity dropping onto the ring during the battle.

smoky forge
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Segmented, open levels would have allowed for consequences for not doing side objects, and reasons to reward you for doing them.

Having 20 random marine squads to "rescue" at any time, and they just stand around after you "rescue" them, has basically 0 weight

edgy forum
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Oh yeah, unfortunately, development hell was the undertaking of everything that could’ve been in the final product like the presence of ODSTs

smoky forge
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having some embattled marine squads in specific missions, that you COULD rescue, COULD have an impact on the rest of the plot (or at the very least the start of the next level)

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but with open world, you cacnnot base any story specific elements on those random 20 marine groups, because you don't know if or when the player will get around to rescuing them

harsh granite
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Marines are horribly underutilized in the campaign. They exist to be captured and then rescued in an endless loop.

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Should be several small scale battles taking place that you can come across.

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Somehow friendly ai driving got way worse in infinite too, so no cool moments of marines assisting in a tank, warthog, etc are to be had either.

thorny palm
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Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone had heard of .alexhalo? Or .alexhalo117… Helps players out with LASO?

echo patio
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I am confused why does everyone dislike infiniteʻs campaign, for me it was a really awesome exprience where i got to explore and I didnʻt feel rushed by the game. Personally I enjoyed infinite

harsh granite
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What other halo campaigns have you played?

echo patio
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only infinite

warped yew
harsh granite
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Purchase mcc, play ce, 2, 3, 3 odst, then reach

echo patio
harsh granite
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That’s the perspective most of us are looking at infinite from

echo patio
warped yew
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Halo infinite campaign just lacked variety

echo patio
harsh granite
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I cannot objectively give an opinion on infinite separated from previous entries in the franchise since I grew up with those and have played them hundreds of times, so it may very well be pretty good from your perspective.

echo patio
smoky forge
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I had fun with Infinite's campaign. I played on Heroic and have no ambition to ever play it again though

warped yew
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It doesn't help that alot of the missions is gonna be in corridors. We had only like 2 missions that actually used vehicles

echo patio
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oh yea

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actually i remember halo 2 had the scorpion run that was pretty fun

harsh granite
smoky forge
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Open world games are inherently less replayable, UNLESS you can actually make different choices

magic night
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I find that less true

warped yew
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Or the campaign missions could've just been like bungie levels

harsh granite
magic night
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For me, open world games are inherently more replayable

smoky forge
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I did a bunch of skyrim playthroughs because I would pick a subset of quests and themes and stick to just those. So a thief that ignores the rest of the quests and just does thieves guild stuff, or a mage just doing mage guild, etc

echo patio
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I guess cuz in infinite u were making most of the descisions and there was not really a lot of storyline?

warped yew
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Yeah finding a collectible for the 3rd time is "replayability"

echo patio
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lol i remember that quote

smoky forge
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There's no meaningful decisions to make in Halo Infinite;s campaign

magic night
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I find hopping in and just going off and doing whatever random thing I think of replayable

warped yew
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The purple missions and the actual missions are the only source of "replay abiltity"

smoky forge
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you either do side stuff, or you don't. You either upgrade your shields, or your grapple

harsh granite
warped yew
magic night
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Replayability is just going back to play a game again

smoky forge
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there aren't meaningful skill trees or builds to make in Infinite

warped yew
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Not rly

echo patio
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I see

warped yew
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Replay ability is when a game can still offer something unique or new after you play

magic night
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Semantics

smoky forge
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IMO replayability would more lean on "starting a new save" for open world stuff.
If you are happy to just use the open world as a sandbox to go drive around and fight stuff, that's great! But that isn't really what people usually consider when talking about the replayability of a campaign

warped yew
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Like Halo CE-3 Odst, Infinite. The gameplay itself is replayable because you can interact with enemies in different ways and they will react with those in unique different ways

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Your next gameplay might not be the same as the last if u go with things differently

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Halo gameplay just rly shines when you get more tactical with it tbh

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😤

smoky forge
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I don't think Infinite's campaign was bad, it was just kinda underwhelming and could have been a lot better

warped yew
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Like I said. Lacked variety.

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We never got a dedicated aerial segment smh.

harsh granite
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Biggest crime honestly was wasting the banished faction.

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Such a free layup given to them by hw2 and they somehow made them lame

warped yew
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Why did they just look like covenant 😭

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We didn't even get any Banished original vehicles

harsh granite
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I remember there was a reason for lack of even minimal reskin work on some of the models…I don’t remember what it was though

warped yew
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Would've dug the more red of the Banished

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Instead of seeing blue and purple again

smoky forge
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definitely a part of it. Lacking weight probably the biggest offender IMO
The entire time you have bigboss telling you how awesome and scary they are, and building up the boss fights, but also you can kinda just tootle around the map at your own will, fighting little skirmishes at the FOBs or the Banished facilities, rescue a marine group or two, and there's never a feeling of "oh crap I am barely surviving on a hostile ring" or "Oh man I gotta get going to save-the-day"

warped yew
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The big bad ape who was telling you this also just spent half of his screen time breathing at the viewer

smoky forge
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Had we brought rescued marines back to a base, and included NPCs from previous games in that, and had the banished actually launched attacks on that base, and demonstrated their scariness first hand

harsh granite
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Master chief is to covenant what doomguy is to demon’s, so seeing atriox just 1 sidedly smoke him in the first 3 minutes of the game was such a let down.

smoky forge
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it would have lent a lot more Importance to the random tasks we were doing

harsh granite
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Should have at least been an even fight.

warped yew
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It doesn't even feel like we're building a resistance

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The marines just stay at 1 place and then you leave em to free more

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You can't have marine piloted vehicles follow you even in any of the linear missions which is sad

harsh granite
edgy forum
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That seems to be the case for most video game villains these days

warped yew
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Breathing excessively at the screen?

edgy forum
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They talk and brag on what they do but don’t do anything

smoky forge
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but they killed spartans!

warped yew
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Ah I was wrong

edgy forum
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Like how Saddler & Ramon Salazar was in RE4 remake

smoky forge
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... that we never fought with, never saw in cutscenes, and never knew

edgy forum
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Both of them just talked and stand there but never did anything bad on screen to convey they are threats towards Leon

harsh granite
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The problem is anything meaningful, important, and impactful to the story literally happens before the campaign starts.

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We get a tiny microscopic sliver of it in the first cutscene

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Everything cool already happened, that’s why the campaign is a snooze fest

smoky forge
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I would have been find with the "after the battle" time they chose, IF we spent time learning about what happened from the rescued NPCs from H4 and H5

edgy forum
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I bet you if Tartar Sauce was there he caused more chaos

warped yew
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In the original, atleast they had charm. Saddler and his Hollywood movie quote

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The irony of that quote lol

edgy forum
#

I still do like the VA’s and presentation of the Banished villains

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Especially Escharum and Jega

smoky forge
#

Focusing on the trio of Chief, NuTana, and Civilot was solid, but leaving the fate of Laskey, Palmer, and Osiris entirely ambiguous was kinda a let down.

harsh granite
edgy forum
#

Well he also did Emperor Calus in Lightfall

harsh granite
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Go listen to hw2 atriox

edgy forum
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Both of which coincedentally were voiced by Daron De Paul and had the same? character archetype

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I know what you guys are getting with the characters

harsh granite
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Calus is a fat lazy deadbeat dad

edgy forum
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Could have been an improvement

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I'm not a Halo writer so I couldn't throw my two cents into the conversation

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That's out of my forte skills as a writer and fan

harsh granite
edgy forum
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I will give them credit I enjoy the mini-boss fights and boss fights inspired by Destiny and such

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Those were quite fun & a refresh in terms of Halo gameplay. I think Halo 5 started that before in Warzone

echo patio
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I think we need another halo ODST game

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I think that would be really awesome

smoky forge
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I mean, boss fights go back to Halo 2. Infinites were probably the best bossfights other than H3 scarabs

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but that's also not a very high bar. Halo bossfights have been kinda meh

harsh granite
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My favorite mechanic.

echo patio
harsh granite
echo patio
edgy forum
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Well they CAN become bullet sponges on Legendary

harsh granite
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I used to, about 10 years ago

edgy forum
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Just have to think what weapons can I use against them in fight, normally it's precision or DPS

warped yew
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Instead of making bosses bullet sponges. Make em unique.

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Have a gimmick like hologram or a scarab

edgy forum
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I would argue that in terms of video games bosses are supposed to be “spongey” because they have a lot of health but like Ivy says in the care of Tartar sauce the gimmick was that you had to wait for Sarge to shoot him with a beam rifle for exposure to do DPS

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Or something with the environment per say

edgy turret
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I just hope big vehicles like the Phantoms explode big, like in Halo 3, because destroying Phantoms in Infinite felt very lack luster

stoic canopy
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Damn it, what is with MM today?

BTB and Squad is just putting in match after match of Hero/Onyx Premades

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Like I know I'm decent but I ain't "SoloQ vs. BTB Pros" decent

edgy turret
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Is the SBMM still doing that thing where if you're winning a decent percent of your matches, it'll intentionally put you in matches with people that clearly out-match you until you start losing more than you win?

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I thought i heard that was changed a while back or toned down, but maybe i'm just mistaken

full warren
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well it forces a 50% win rate, no matter what they claim, it put a team that has a 50% chance of winning is basicly forcing a 50% win rate

stoic canopy
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That isn't how SBMM works, has ever worked, or will ever work.

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Both of you are factually wrong.

full warren
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Factually, it literally is explained it to be that SBMM put 2 teams together that have a 50% chance of winning

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If you win too many games you MMR goes up, it now expect you to always perform that the level you just played and it will give you worse team mates because now oyu are better

stoic canopy
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It does not give you worse teammates

It gives you teammates who it thinks also have a 50% chance to win

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Stop thinking of yourself as the center of the world and the game

full warren
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So worse team amtes

stoic canopy
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No

full warren
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if I am getting 20-30 kills in slayer, the game is not going to give me better team mates, it can only give me wrose team mates to balance the odds

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It could put me in a lobby of all other high diamond and onyx players but it won't because its social

stoic canopy
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If you have a 50% to win (by prediction) and they have a 50% chance to win (by prediction) you are on the same skill tier in it's eyes

Now whether that is accurate at the moment is a different debate

full warren
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What you said is only ranked.

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that everyone is of the sameish skill level

stoic canopy
#

It's Social as well, though looser (hence the SoloQ vs. Premade issue)

full warren
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Because its looser it gives you worse teammates if you win too many games or do well because to balance it it has to give your worse teamamtes,

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If you add helium to a balloon to balance it out you gotta add some weight to it.

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weight being worse teammates

stoic canopy
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That analogy makes zero sense.

You're desperately trying to find any excuse to blame the game and your teammates to protect your ego.

Because you're making the assumption that your teammates didn't have games where they ALSO did well, so the game thinks they can hang at that level, only to suddenly get served some humble pie.

full warren
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You can always just search my gaming tag lol

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find 1 game I am not the top of my leaderboard

stoic canopy
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That is irrelevant because that doesn't matter; you're trying to flex and missing the point.

full warren
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The game can only give me worse teammates because that is the only option it has, if it doesn't I will just win most games. but the fustrating part is that what I do don't matter

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it literally is decided for me by the worse teammates.

stoic canopy
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ITS NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU LOSE

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WHY WOULD IT DO THAT?

full warren
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Its trying to reduce my win rate which is trying to make me lose more games so I stay 50% win rate

edgy turret
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Engagement

stoic canopy
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It's not. Trying. To. Force. 50%.

full warren
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What is your definition of "force"

stoic canopy
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A 50% chance to win, is not the same thing as a 50% winrate.

full warren
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IF you play enough games then it is

tribal shoal
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i replayed halo (h3) like 3 times on legendary thinking the game had bugged johnson's warthog at the end, then i realised i left the jacked skull on LMAO

full warren
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basic statistics, if you have a 50% chance of winning play enough games it will average to 50%

stoic canopy
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If I give you a coin and tell you to flip it 10 times, you might get 5/5.

Or you might get 8/2. Or 3/7.

Over a long enough course of time you WILL end up with 5/5 or 4/6 or 6/4.....but in terms of a game that just means you've plateau'd.

full warren
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If you played 100 games yeah maybe you can have a 60% winrate but once you have 1000 its will be less and less as the more you play

stoic canopy
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Yes

full warren
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so yeah if I was 60% winrate for the next 900 games I will loose more than I win to get back down to 50%

stoic canopy
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That is not "forced" - that is logical, expected and desired outcome of a large probability model where it's a binary W/L

full warren
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so its making me lose more games

tribal shoal
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🤦

stoic canopy
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NO

It means you've plateaued and either have to improve or accept that W/R

tribal shoal
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it's not making you lose games, as you play more games you will inevitably even out your win loss ratio to be a more accurate representation of your "true" win loss ratio

tepid light
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A plateaud W/R is never something to scoff at, most players would be extremely happy to be able to do that

full warren
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This really got nothing to do with plateaued, even the best players are pretty much only 50% win rate

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if tehy continute to play.

stoic canopy
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You've reached a skill level where you can no longer keep doing what you're doing and advance, so you have to change or accept it

stoic canopy
full warren
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what I expect is if a top10% player plays the chance of him winning is obviously higher than a average player

tepid light
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And tbh accepting a 50/50 skill rate is amazing

full warren
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so a top 10% player should be winning 60-70% of their games

stoic canopy
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NOOOOOOO

full warren
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if there is no SBMM and its entirely random

stoic canopy
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Not when they reach their real skill tier

tribal shoal
#

that's a sampling size issue or whatever the more technical term is

tepid light
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@full warren what he's saying is, right now a higher skilled player will have a high win rate but over time it would stagnate as they reach players with the same win rate

stoic canopy
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If you're on a winning streak and have a high W/L, you're not playing with people at your skill tier

full warren
#

I used to play world of warships, over 3000 games I think I was 75% winrate because it didn't have a sbmm

full warren
stoic canopy
#

I swear on the Halo Array that CoD, LoL and streamers have done so much freaking damage to the competitive gaming mindset

tepid light
full warren
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but in social the game forces 50% win rate not by putting same level players together but by putting the best players with the worst to balance each other out

stoic canopy
full warren
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the better you are the worse team mates you get

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Next time you find a really reallyt good player, go see their matches its comical, they get like 40 kills in slayer and his teamamte get 0 vs 4 average players

stoic canopy
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You still haven't explained WHYT it would do that, instead of just doing the logical thing and putting together two teams it thinks have a roughly even matchup

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If they're getting 40 kills what kills are they leaving for their teammates?

full warren
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the better question is why does he need to get 40 kills in a slayer onyl to still lose

harsh granite
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Because you are only 25% of the winning equation

full warren
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why do you need to leave kills to your teammates, this is leageu of legand they dont get gold from kills

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a kill is a kill, it just shows how bad his teammates are

harsh granite
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True skill2 does not account for individual performance an L is an L and a W is a W in terms of mmr. Just how it is.

stoic canopy
#

You're making the assumption they are bad, instead of just not as good as their teammate

full warren
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Ofcourse they are bad,

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Only featured game modes where I have a equal skill team because sbmm is tight like ranked

stoic canopy
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If I hold my own in a Diamond lobby, but then get put into a Champ lobby and get thoroughly thrashed (which has happened) am I bad at the game or just not as good as Champs?

harsh granite
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You shouldn’t be getting put in a champ lobby at all

full warren
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Well that is never going to happen with SBMM in halo, because it doesn't put together a team of above average players

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if it has a onyx players the rest will be 3 bronze or silvers on SOCIAL game modes

stoic canopy
full warren
harsh granite
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Well tbf infinite doesn’t differentiate between high onyx and onyx

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Skill range is huge once you hit onyx.

stoic canopy
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Happened tonight in BTB and Squad where it was an entire Premade team of Heros/Onyx vs. me and one Onyx rando with other randos.

full warren
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Thats becaus sbmm broke basicly as there isn't enough players to match them.

stoic canopy
full warren
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I just want random lobby and if you are good you win more, if youa re bad you loose more

stoic canopy
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You're not good if you're beating up on bad players

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That doesn't make you good

It makes you a bully

harsh granite
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Player pool is just really small, so most of the issues you are talking about are going to be exacerbated.

full warren
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Bully? its social mode, get better if you want to win, how do you think I started

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I was the 0/15 person, i never played a shooter before halo

harsh granite
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Sbmm has made a lot of people content with not getting better unfortunately.

full warren
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I learned and got better and now I am stuck carry absolute potatoes every game it gets boring after a while that what I do don't matter

harsh granite
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50/50 isn’t the goal it’s just the consequence of sbmm

full warren
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goal .... consequence, I don't care what word you use, the end result is the same

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it makes you loose games where you won't if SBMM didn't exist

stoic canopy
#

You're a good player if you can hang with other good players, or improve

You don't become better by getting your teeth kicked in repeatedly. You get better when you're put into winnable or hard-but-close matches that force you to adapt and change in order to do better or overcome your habits and issues in order to win.

full warren
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I disagree,

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You get good by getting destroyed by good players so you can learn what they doing

stoic canopy
#

Psychology, professionals and coaches disagree with you

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I still find it absolutely hilarious that shooters are the ONLY place this discussion happens; if you tried this line of reasoning in basically any other genre you'd be laughed out of the room

full warren
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This game does not need a coach and is not a team sport until you reach high onyx

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Because other game don't have this kind of stupid sbmm,

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League you have to team work because its a teamwork game so MMR and SBMM doesn't really matter as much

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I don't know much about fighting games but that is 1v1 so you can't meet bad teammates

stoic canopy
#

You are stuck in some delusion or something if you think SBMM isn't in most other games

And that Shooters didn't try to explicitly adapt the MM systems from other games when trying to make theirs

full warren
#

fighting, shooting and mmo, what other competitive games are there? I can't think of any.

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SBMM is but I am saying it doesn't matter as much because if its 1v1 then that is just all down to you. and games where it is more about teamwork also matter less about sbmm

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mmo focus is mainly on teamwork, even the worst player in league knows his role of adc, mid, top. they know their role and what to do, they mgiht not do a good job but atleast they try. in halo the bad players might as well be bots

stoic canopy
#

The same thing that applies in those games also applies to you; if you're so good why aren't you just winning the game outright on your own. Why aren't you getting all 50 kills then?

full warren
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Because halo as a game means you can't get all 50 kills, its just not possible because 4 gold players will beat rank 1 halo player

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If there is a game where you can do that then sure yeah no one cares about sbmm because you can just headshot everyone but halo's sandbox gives people a much higher chance to kill you.

stoic canopy
#

This conversation is still boiling down to you being upset MM isn't out to let you stroke your ego with a big stat number

full warren
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lol. what is the point of playing a game other than to win.

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I want to play kill and win the game instead of geting a million kills and still lose at the end

stoic canopy
#

Because you enjoy the gameplay.

Or you want to improve regardless if you win or lose.

full warren
#

I have my big stats but I don't care about KD, I only care about winning

stoic canopy
#

Then you still have a scrub mentality

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And having big numbers won't do anything to change that

full warren
#

I don';t know what you even talking about, I don't care about other stats other than the W/L

stoic canopy
#

You still care about a stat more than the game and your own improvement, and it dictates your enjoyment of the game

full warren
#

what has that got to do with improvement

celest heron
#

sounds boring. I at least also want to have some fun. also frustrating cause you're not going to win all the time.

full warren
#

you improve as you play more and more.

stoic canopy
#

Not that much; improvement over time does happen, but real improvement takes mindset, dedication and specific effort

full warren
#

But at the end of the day the more I improve the worse teamamtes I get to enforce taht 50% winrate so what is the point?

stoic canopy
#

Again, the scrub mentality of caring about the stats rather than the gameplay or your own performance

You might lose, but as long as you did well or improved a little or just enjoyed playing than the win or loss doesn't matter

full warren
#

caring about stats is not a scrub mentality lol, if so then most pros are scrubs because they care the most about winning in ranked

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I am not here expecting to see big KDA, I just want to win the game because is 100% the reason for any of this

stoic canopy
#

The only thing Stats or Ranked should be used to measure is where you stand in relation to your old self

full warren
#

Yeah no. I don't come to play halo to be all self improvement

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That is just mentality people say to ignore the problems

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Not everything is about self improvement, sometimes it is just about winning

stoic canopy
#

It's literally the mentality of people who go on to win multi-thousand/million dollar tournaments

full warren
#

And Did I say I want to be a pro?

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I don't play this game to play competive or join a team

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I could improve more and be high onyx but once I get there if I play a social game mode I will still be just carrying noobs.

wide trout
#

Hey, don’t you think you should maybe chill a bit?

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This guy is just trying to have a respectful and constructive conversation and you seem to be being overly aggressive for some reason

full warren
#

Who are you talking about

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I have not said anything aggressive towards him

warped yew
#

Nothing aggressive said

full warren
#

I just disagree with ParagonFury's mentality towards the game and SBMM.

stoic canopy
#

You act like you have a right to wins or a high W/R - you don't

You're blaming teammates for you not enjoy the game because the "game tries to force you to lose".

That is a scrub mentality - it's fine to want to win, but winning should come as the product of improvement and inner drive and enjoying the thing you're doing, not winning just to win.

full warren
wide trout
#

also for the bajillionth time, the game doesn’t force you to lose, it just matches you with players of a similar skill to try and give the match the best possible chance of being a 50/50

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it does not deliberately put you in harder games to try to force your win rate down

stoic canopy
#

Daigo has a pretty good book on the subject - "The Will to Keep Winning" - about how if you make winning the goal and source of your enjoyment and focus on that you'll burn yourself out and hate what you're doing.

full warren
wide trout
#

it’s not a lie

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

full warren
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if it did match the opposing team's to my skill then that is ranked SBMM

wide trout
#

sorry your experience differs from what the game offers. maybe your teammates were just having a bad day or their style of play was a hard counter to yours

full warren
#

that definitely is not in social

wide trout
#

it is

full warren
#

I mean you can say it is but that is not what I seen in over 5000 games. since if it did match social just like ranked then I have nothing to complain about

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because I know I am always facing the equal skill opponets and my teamamtes are also equal skill

warped yew
#

Nah SBMM is just horrible in general.

#

Matchmaking should be random

stoic canopy
#

Developers will never make another big game to suit you because you don't want competition - you want victims. The last game that tried - XDefiant - basically died on the vine because people tried it and realized "Oh, this really sucks and is not very fun".

full warren
#

You can have SBMM in ranked, just don't bring it to social modes

warped yew
#

Yes

wide trout
warped yew
#

That's just statistics

wide trout
#

only the absolutely top echelon of players keep playing and then they stop once they stop having victims like the other guy said

stoic canopy
#

You're just telling on yourself; you just want a selection of victims to bully.

Because I guarantee - 110% money back - you'd be here in complaining even harder when that random matchmaking put you on the receiving end of what you want.

wide trout
#

it only benefits people who are exceptionally good at the game

full warren
#

That study recently is flawed. it literally is done by a company who makes a game that has SBMM its not going to come put and say sbmm is bad

warped yew
#

So the worse players get good

full warren
#

its like a oil company is not going to come put with a study to say oil is bad

wide trout
#

you know they have to pay a license to implement it right?

#

assuming it’s TrueSkill or a variant of

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even if they developed their own SBMM though they still have to pay those developers both for development and upkeep

full warren
#

Probably because SBMM makes people play more game per session than without it.

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because you are chasing that win.

warped yew
#

SBMM should just have less affect on social matchmaking

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Or maybe ranked lol

wide trout
#

THATS EXACTLY IT

#

LMAO

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SBMM drives player retention

full warren
#

Who said I care about player retention for a big company to milk its player base more?

stoic canopy
#

You realize the big driving reason we "Oldschool" gamers stuck around through the old system is because there was literally no other options, right?

Like we couldn't go somewhere else and get a different experience. So we just had to sit there and take it or just stop playing games?

wide trout
#

you care about having players you can beat down upon

full warren
#

There will always be new players

wide trout
#

not reasonably skilled players of your same bracket

full warren
#

Halo has a shortage of players not because of SBMM or lack of it

stoic canopy
warped yew
#

Content in general lol

full warren
warped yew
#

By the time alot of stuff came in, more than half the playerbase was gone lol

full warren
#

if I had a ego I would want to have big KDA numbers.

wide trout
#

alright let’s just

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stop this conversation

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it is going nowhere

full warren
#

yes

warped yew
#

343 should do another workshop testing with SBMM

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Idk just a thought

stoic canopy
#

1: Infinite launched with the 2nd most amount of content in Halo history. By now it has the largest unless you count MCC as a single game. Or you REALLY want to count each little weapon variant in H5 as it's own weapon.

2: Halo dropped off because the Arena Shooter is not the genre in demand right now. Just like how the Arena Shooter gave Tactical Shooters the axe, and then Arcade/Hero Shooters gave Arena Shooters the axe....only to get replaced by BRs.

warped yew
#

Halo infinite did not launch with the most content what are you talking about

full warren
#

the same 6 maps is not content lol

edgy turret
#

Halo Infinite had like, 3 playlists on launch

full warren
#

and I know why 90% of the mnk players left because this game absolutely hated mnk players on launch

warped yew
full warren
#

mnk had aim assit in beta because the devs knew it could not compete vs controller but on release they removed it

edgy turret
#

Halo Infinite would have been the biggest Halo game (aside from it's sandbox) if it really did launch with everything it has now, especially the Forge mode

full warren
#

Then everyone who used mnk quit because it was a joke.

warped yew
#

Halo Infinite lost half it's playerbase due to the lack of content. Alot of people who played had alot of fun with the core gameplay

full warren
#

now there is so bad a reputation of halo and mnk none of my friends want to come back

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even tho the content now is amazing, I do agree on that

warped yew
#

4 SEASONS to get infection was insane

edgy turret
#

The first two seasons lasting 6 months each was also wild

warped yew
#

The management on this game was very bad

full warren
#

Was it 6 month i thought it was longer

edgy turret
#

Second one was probably longer

warped yew
#

It was 6 months

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It definitely felt longer

stoic canopy
#

Infinite launched with the second highest amount of maps (10 vs. the high of 12)
The 2nd highest number of unique weapons (11 vs. 12 IIRC)
The most armor customization (even just free)
Basically every core game type except Infection (which was still a miss and I fault 343 for it)

The only truly large thing missing was Forge - which came back way better than it's ever been

full warren
warped yew
#

Halo just lacked fun gamemodes

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:< sad

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4 Playlist. BTB went broken for a couple days

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The Banshee feeling like paper machete was crazy

stoic canopy
warped yew
#

Dude the standards are different today

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That's not enough content for a live service game

harsh granite
#

Saying infinite launched with the most content is borderline psychotic

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4 game modes

warped yew
#

This is a 4 on 1 situation lol

harsh granite
#

6 colors

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No forge

warped yew
#

5 DOLLARS FOR THE COLOR BLUE

harsh granite
#

No customs lobbies

warped yew
#

My worst nightmare

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No proper XP system

edgy turret
#

Theater bad (still is)

harsh granite
#

Less than 20% of og emblems

warped yew
#

No proper career leveling up either

edgy turret
#

Had to use forge scripting for weapon lowering for a while until recently (minor complaint, but still)

stoic canopy
warped yew
#

Paragon it's probably alot of content compared to past Halo games, but this is 2024. Standards are different

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And this was advertised to be a live service game which makes things worst

harsh granite
warped yew
#

Halo 3 has more content on launch than Infinite lol

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Halo 5 didn't release with everything but it quickly went to alot

harsh granite
#

Reach and halo 3 dumpster infinite on launch 10 times over

warped yew
#

Reach, halo 3, 4, and 5 had more things on launch than Infinite (Or close to launch lol)

#

In the span of 2 years, Halo infinite has gotten the bandit rifle, a copy of the bandit, a copy of the threat sensor, the health equipment. That's like it

#

Halo 5 had way more than this lol

river minnow
#

shroud too but yeah

warped yew
#

My bad shroud too

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But yeah not comparable to 5 lol

edgy turret
warped yew
#

I mean both games are live services

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So I'll treat 5 and Infinite the same

river minnow
#

halo 5 wasn't advertised as a live service iirc, which is ironic

edgy turret
#

You're not unlocking unique weapons through the battle pass in Infinite like you did in the REQ packs in 5

harsh granite
#

People will go to insane lengths to provide 343 with excuses. Always blows my mind.

warped yew
#

It's crazy how the community celebrated content that came in late

stoic canopy
warped yew
#

343 horribly managed this game? Yes

harsh granite
edgy turret
celest heron
#

h5 also had warzone which was an easy way to put op weapons in the game which wouldn't fit in the normal game modes.

warped yew
#

Warzone was fun tbh

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Like Super Fiesta but with AI

edgy turret
#

Warzone Firefight was fun

harsh granite
#

Shoot your right, it’s my bad halo 5 had an objectively horrible campaign, and it’s my bad halo 4 had a lackluster cod copy multiplayer, and it’s my bad halo infinite is sitting at less active players than a 10 year old mcc

warped yew
#

THANK YOU. SOMEONE SEES HALO 4 AS A COD COPY

harsh granite
#

Oh and also my bad for the cataclysmic mcc launch

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My bad for that tv show too

#

My bad for killing rookie off in a book

river minnow
#

halo 5s campaign was good 🤷‍♂️

edgy turret
warped yew
celest heron
harsh granite
river minnow
#

better than infinite

harsh granite
#

Low bar

warped yew
#

We lost the Phaeton, the Mantis, hunter cannons, Plasma Rifle, very sad

edgy turret
edgy turret
warped yew
#

Peak Mantis was Mantis teabagging

river minnow
#

also saying 4 was a cod copy when it was just evolving on reach, the original issue, is a bit weird

edgy turret
#

Bring back the Mantis and the hologram equipment so that players in a Mantis and another player's hologram can teabag the same body

stoic canopy
#

You know I was sitting here actually counting the things in game again to prove my point, but I realize y'all don't care.

Chief himself could step off a Pelican and tell you I'm right or that Infinite was fair while flawed at launch and you'd still just go on with it.

harsh granite
warped yew
river minnow
#

yeah reach had that, lol

faint summit
#

is it known that the new ingame currency is kinda usless, or is it beta?

river minnow
harsh granite
#

No, reach had preset options in game, halo 4 had pregame customizable extremely advantage giving loadouts

faint summit
warped yew
#

Paragon we will understand your points but you gotta realize. They're wrong lol

harsh granite
#

You could load into a game against kids with ar starts while you had a br start

river minnow
#

they got rid of a ton of previous exchange items from the shop though so it makes it hard to track down what u can spend it on

faint summit
#

too many things are in bundles

harsh granite
#

Which was absolutely hilarious btw

river minnow
#

there's quite a lot you can buy with it, but it's hard to find out which just by looking in game

celest heron
harsh granite
#

Exchange is hidden deep in the shop

faint summit
warped yew
#

Did guy just try to correct me? But his correction was wrong lol

river minnow
faint summit
celest heron
faint summit
harsh granite
river minnow
#

sure, but my point still stands

warped yew
#

Halo low key started falling down when it had sprint

harsh granite
#

No it really doesn’t lol

celest heron
river minnow
faint summit
river minnow
#

next we're gonna talk about humans being forerunners

harsh granite
#

It did start going down with sprint, but that was just a timing thing; sprint was never a core issue.

warped yew
#

I don't rly care if sprint is in halo or not.

My bad need to clarify. The over all state of Halo games started to fall down and a common trait between each of them was they had sprint

celest heron
wide trout
# river minnow

i’m so tired of this current conversation in general, but now we had to turn to sprint

warped yew
#

NO NO IM NOT TRYING TO START A CONVERSATION ABOUT SPRINT STOP

faint summit
warped yew
#

pretty pls don't start a argument about sprint

river minnow
celest heron
river minnow
#

I've seen it too, people just 180'ing on it as of late, weird to me

warped yew
#

Maybe that's why the game had a bad development cycle. NO IM JK DONT START

glacial tartan
#

Press X to Party Up

warped yew
#

X

glacial tartan
#

Why would Microsoft take this away from us

#

Double XP weekends

warped yew
#

Is something suppose to happen

glacial tartan
#

Microsoft’s malice knows no bounds

river minnow
#

would've been nice to get a double xp weekend at any point after career rank was introduced

celest heron
#

we just need something to mess up

river minnow
#

has MCC ever had one of those either

warped yew
#

Probably

celest heron
#

yes

river minnow
#

I know they existed in 5 but that's all I remember

river minnow
warped yew
#

Omg. This is over nice

#

Paragon I know you tried to correct me on my grammar but your correction was 👎 hehe

celest heron
river minnow
#

starts again

warped yew
#

It is what it is

#

Ok bye I'm gonna go get Starbucks

edgy turret
#

Actually, a double XP weekend with an XP boost would probably destroy battle pass progression, and we wouldn't want players having too much fun, would we?

glacial tartan
#

Probably a year between them at least.

spiral matrix
#

Halo 2 sniper jackals on legendary
Suffer
Your welcome

edgy forum
#

Honestly, no Halo game is perfect let’s be real with that. Infinite isn’t perfect, Reach isn’t perfect, 4 isn’t perfect. It’s actually 100% hard to make an objectively S tier Halo game with gaming development.

ivory shale
#

You know, I'm starting to think that at least for the bungie era of halo, the covenant are basically the united states

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Like, thematically

edgy forum
#

I probably put the same amount of time into Infinite just like 5

#

Where’s my game time hours stats

ivory shale
#

It's all fighting back a "superior force" as the spectre of human spirit while old weirdos tear apart their own empire from afar

crystal iron
#

Anyone up for some campaign I'm gonna try and replay them all in legendary mode and it would be nice to have a noble 7 😄

ivory shale
#

Like, a kind of space vietnam for pretty much every game

edgy forum
#

Halo 5 Guardians - 22 Days 9 Hours 23 Mins
Halo Infinite - 55 Days 22 Hours 7 Mins

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Oh dang I went 33 more days

crystal iron
#

🙂

ivory shale
#

Especially with halo 2! Like, the covenant accidentally finding earth because regret wanted to take a vacation, and then truth spinning as like, "oh hey we totally meant to do that, and look we found a new halo!" That feels like a very U.S. thing to do given our track record of "wait no guys we did that on purpose, please buy lockheed martin stock"

crystal iron
#

🤣

ivory shale
#

I don't know if that's the intent, but the story kind of just lends itself to "giant superpower bullying everyone abroad is actually just an a very lucky girlfailure"

ruby lake
#

honk

wide trout
#

as far as i’m aware most of the Halo writers at the time were very pro-US

#

not really willing to critique it in meaningful ways like how you’re describing

white birch
#

The majority of the descriptions of the UNSCs operational standards are cribbed directly from US military operations, so

keen scaffold
#

Are there any plans for commendations? I'd like a sense of progression that rewards outside box thinking with getting specific medals or actions.

#

Something to keep engagement up.

glacial tartan
edgy forum
#

Honk

grave ether
#

So I've been looking at adding a supplemental horn to my car with custom sounds.
someone audible saying the word HONK is what I'm contemplating as one of my sound options. (planning on 4 right now)

#

Imagine getting Jeff Steitzer to voice it ObiThink

zealous panther
#

Add the goose honk

wide trout
#

that’s quite feasible

keen silo
#

Honk, taken!
Honk, lost…

grave ether
lusty wraith
#

In FFA they’re just this wild card that ruins games, more often than not since people leave FFA all the time

#

They feed players, randomly aimbot with snipers, just annoying in general

#

Also it’s FFA why do we need bots at all lol

keen silo
#

Like i get they want the match filled up and not just three people hunting each other over and over till someone hits goal score.
But also the amount of FFA matches ive seen just turn into who can kill the bot first is nuts

echo patio
full warren
#

42KDA... wow the game is pretty out of control with the match making

#

But SBMM did try pretty hard lol, two worst players had a combined KDA of -28 haha

celest heron
#

do you mean someone had 42 kills?

full warren
#

While enermy team was a rang ebetween -8 to 10 KDA which is a normal team. our team is 42 KDA and 27 KDA and the two noobs and everyone else 0KDA

#

no I had 47 kills 7 dead 8 asssit so 42KDA

#

It was CTF so stats is padded

#

but I find is funny the enermy team was a average team while my team is the best players and the worst players, someone here was like that never happens lol

#

Well I find it funny it literally did happen in this extreme

celest heron
#

oh, alright

cunning jungle
#

New Halo event is looking good, excited for a firefight refresh. Does really look though like they put anything together for this 😂 still good tho

snow dagger
#

Any word if they’re updating the game mode? Or is it simply new maps?

celest heron
#

they haven't said anything yet.

keen silo
#

I would just wait until they post something in the announcements channel. Sometimes waypoint is faster, but just give it time

celest heron
#

will probly just be in the patch notes.

keen silo
#

That too

edgy forum
#

More Firefight maps coming! Let’s gooooo

keen silo
#

Objective: SURVIVE

edgy forum
#

😎

coarse dagger
#

Discord-exclusive Unicorn of Earth Nameplate and Emblem giveaway for Halo Infinite!
#giveaways message

civic sundial
#

I guess I'll hold off on changing my gamertag then

warped yew
#

It's iconic

#

How many people do I know is named Slipstream Technician

#

Just you

civic sundial
#

Fair but I'm gonna be changing that out due to not really feeling like that's who I am anymore (There's more than that but this server isn't my therapist)

keen silo
#

Do whatcha gotta do. Be true to you

civic sundial
#

Aye

edgy forum
#

I saw in the trailer you can throw a skull and designate an ordinance strike

#

Better use that wisely for a boss or a phantom

civic sundial
#

I don't think that was a skull, looked like a bomb

edgy forum
#

Something round

civic sundial
#

I wonder if this one will talk? Like Andy

warped yew
#

Andy the Bomb 💣

#

Andy low key would make an awesome ai partner

keen silo
#

I would like more AI partners. I get it’s probably pretty expensive though unfortunately

warped yew
#

Rly sad they stopped after Iratus

edgy forum
#

Honestly I’m a nit picky person and turned my AI narrator off lol

#

I wanted to immerse myself in classic Halo MP but I see people like their AI

warped yew
#

They're just so charming

keen silo
#

I can never keep a straight face hearing Iratus get so excited about a burst fire weapon

gray hawk
#

Honestly done with ctf, how can we win if people just treat it like tdm

jade pebble
#

I think they recently added a bunch of new lines for the AI

#

I think they needed to do new stuff for VIP

#

but I also noticed some other new ones for mister chief

crimson berry
#

Well, this is a new low for censoring. Can't even type "meh" in on the game.

echo patio
#

todays the day i get the ardent bundle from halo store

crimson berry
#

I'm hoping another ice one drops.

edgy forum
#

He's voiced by Chai from Hi-Fi Rush

keen silo
#

Wait really?
Omg I can’t unhear that now.

edgy forum
#

Yeah his VA was in Halo before

runic nest
#

Is there a way or a place to submit game mode /event ideas ?

coarse dagger
edgy turret
#

Imagine hearing Gamma's computerized voice throughout a match

#

An enemy picks up a power weapon:
THE END IS NEAR. THE GREAT DESTROYER IS HERE.

You kill an enemy from behind
KNOCK. KNOCK.

Etc

swift iris
#

Considering what ended up happening with Rooster Teeth they dodged a bullet with using them downright into the official Canon. Easter Eggs are probably the easier alternative.

warped yew
#

We needed an AI like Andy then

edgy turret
#

His VA did return for the finale of RvB, would be funny to have a moody, shouting, bomb for an AI

keen silo
#

I feel like I’m missing something by not knowing who or what Andy is

edgy turret
#

Basically a character from the Red vs Blue machinima series that was just the assault bomb with a voice over

warped yew
#

An RVB character

#

Yeah a talking bomb basically

keen silo
#

Oh! Neat. That would be a fun AI voice.

warped yew
#

You gotta look up Andy to really see what the dude is like

edgy turret
#

"Hey, Tex, when ya turned around, I seen where ya tucked it!"

ruby lake
#

skull emoji

warped yew
#

His quote about the morning scratch is stuck in my head

edgy turret
# ruby lake skull emoji

Funny enough, the 💣 did become a 💀 at one point ||(or rather, the 💣 was yoinked and replaced with a helmet, and then double yoinked and then replaced with a 💀)||

warped yew
#

Biggest insult at Tex 😤

#

Especially right after she threatened to make him a memory

edgy turret
#

Memory is the key

civic sundial
#

So is the sword

edgy turret
#

The sword is a key that also unlocks peoples' death

frosty condor
#

That’s deep (the cut you gave me via the sword)

keen scaffold
#

Just caught up with the community post for the new op.

...why is it still Firefight King of the Hill

#

I'm so damn tired of KOTH.

#

I'm gonna ask a frankly uncomfortable question to the devs or CM's if any of them ever read this.

Is it impossible to remove the score counter at the bottom of the screen? Is it intrinsically tied to multiplayer to the point it just cannot be removed?

tender field
#

3 minute wait time for BTB and squad battle? :/

keen scaffold
#

Also, Reach again. The maps are very well made, praise to the Forgers, but... Isn't this the third Reach themed event?

edgy forum
#

I’ll be sure to send you to Arlington, TX where you can meet Hank Hill because he’s King of the Hill CSGOLegendary

keen scaffold
#

You could do a lot more by expanding to other less visited territories. What about a First Strike theme? The MAC generator base defense from the book? Maybe some New Mombasa defense like in ODST? I'd even settle for a CE rehash

#

Dawg im trying to be nice about this but Im hella tired of reach

#

Heck, defending Arcadia or the snow base from Halo Wars if you wanna pull just from the games

#

Not trying to be unappreciative, but, damn.

lofty wagon
muted mist
#

Anyone know why the Delta Droppings challenge on mcc isn’t counting for me. I have played odst missions and it’s not tracking.

edgy forum
#

Thanks for posting that link, my day is ruined. I’m logging off and muting this channel again. Tired of negative BS

civic sundial
#

Mint loves to claim he covers both the good and the bad but there's so many things he claims is a "grand failing of 343" and it's stuff like how this new operation is called Champions because it's happening at the same time as HCS

#

Like, that's not a failure of 343 at all, that's them doing some synergy between an update to the game and HCS

warped yew
#

I just watch Mint Blitz for his clips

#

Very nice

radiant sundial
#

Why cant we have a halotuber who's niche is to be positive instead of purposely dragging the game through the dirt over every little thing they dont like?

glacial tartan
civic sundial
#

It is possible to critique the game without punching down on the developers and claiming that they don't do any sort of QA work

#

Because that's honestly how most of the big Halotubers are

#

And it sucks because you just know that the devs are doing their best with the resources they are given

tulip tusk
#

i was thinking how about Halo 1 Scorpion's inaccuracy, it was kinda fun and if u slowly aimed and let it settle then u got some accuracy i think. did it have hidden bloom in H1?

glacial tartan
full warren
#

No one attacks the developers, because everyone knows they have no real power anyway, if they are tasked to design a bad game then that is what they design,

ruby knoll
#

people constantly attack the devs lol

coarse dagger
#

Daily

glacial tartan
#

If someone says “Wow the devs for MCC really suck” I don’t take that to mean “I hate XYZ dev he’s a terrible person”. Instead, I think they are annoyed with the game (whether they communicate it well or not).

But, if people see it as a personal attack, then I guess it’s a difference in interpretation.

#

Sort of like when I say MCC doesn’t really have any community managers anymore. I know that job title exists, I know the people in those roles are fine people, but I’m critiquing 343s effectiveness at managing that section of the community. Idk.

warped yew
#

Let's hope they learned from Infinite 😬

snow spindle
#

men, im playing halo 3 odst

#

And i love how in new mombasa streets the advirtesement posters change to warm you were to go and everything

vivid marsh
#

Odst is my favorite campaign because of how atmospheric mombasa streets is

#

Should stop playing infinite mp and go back to that lol, Im much better at it

vivid marsh
#

Kinda like Infinite's KOTH firefight but would also appreciate the old version having an official playlist too

celest heron
scarlet shuttle
#

I just started a Ranked match, started running and pressed A to jump but at the same time a pop up appeared and by pressing A I confirmed something I couldn’t have the time to read, then the match ended right away as a Tie.

#

What was that?

stoic canopy
swift iris
# coarse dagger Daily

It's the kind of thing that makes me want to give them either an alcoholic drink to ease their stress or painkillers.

tulip tusk
#

painkillers r best motrin woo

crimson berry
#

Had a dude more worried about a camo in a match and went 1 and 15 in the match.

#

That was the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

keen silo
#

I’ve seen people collect the camo and then hide all match going super negative just holding it or getting it back.

sullen owl
#

They're priming up their super dope montage. No cap.

celest heron
#

on god fr fr

crystal iron
#

I taking a stand against egregious micro transactions, and so should you. Halo Infinite was extremely mismanaged and the reason why Halo was reduced from iconic to a joke.

frosty condor
civic sundial
sturdy kernel
wooden briar
warped yew
#

I mean it's a live service game .<.

#

The problem is that you can't buy individual things from bundles

#

I think the shop and the exchange should just have a little more options to choose from too

#

That's probably why everyone is so mad with the shop

#

Pls add this 343 🙏

tender field
#

so, I'm not familiar with the shop, does the SP exchange rotate weekly? or does it stay fixed

warped yew
#

Think it changes with every operation

celest heron
#

lol, thinking that micro transactions was the reason.

warped yew
#

Just let us buy individual things from the bundles pls

harsh granite
#

I’d unironically pay $100 for a halo that copied Reach’s customization system with no micro transactions

#

Problem for mp games is we are probably never going to see them without micro transactions ever again. It’s simply way too profitable. If even 10% of the player pop of a game has no self control and buys everything they see it’s typically just as good if not better than selling everything at a $60 price point.

tender field
#

Just got "can't play because invalid EAC authorization"???

harsh granite
tender field
#

is that something which just happens sometimes or?

harsh granite
#

Known issue, supposedly you can enter a theatre mode match then leave and it fixes it too (temporarily)

tender field
#

I'll restart then

warped yew
#

FromSoftWare 😤

#

That DLC was better than every game that releases so far this year

harsh granite
#

No one buys a fromsoftware game for the mp. Single player games can still do very well with no micro transactions

warped yew
#

I hope Armored Core gets the same treatment or something

sullen owl
warped yew
#

The MP is scuffed as heck

sullen owl
#

~The power of modding~

warped yew
#

MP meta Is so outrageous

#

Wait so you do Halo mods?

sullen owl
#

Negative. Better multiplayer for Elden Ring mod makes it enjoyable.

warped yew
#

Should try some Halo mods tbh

#

Halo CE Rebalanced is rly good 👀

#

The upcoming halo 2 Rebalanced might be the best Halo game ever

sullen owl
#

Eh. I enjoy older Halo games as they are. Added player made campaigns that are new and unique, not just a mix on existing campaigns would be more something I could go for.

warped yew
#

Well it's out there for you try incase you ever wanna spice it up.

warped yew
civic sundial
#

I think they mean stuff like Project Lumoria

keen silo
tulip tusk
frosty condor
#

Let’s keep this channel to Halo only please. For other game discussion, feel free to chat it up in #general-chat

warped yew
crystal iron
# wooden briar

You will care when you are nickeled and dimed at every corner. At the cost of content and quality.

crystal iron
civic sundial
#

There's so many things in the world you should be taking a stand against... And you choose the monetisation method that Halo Infinite has

#

Like, sorry but you maybe need to think about what actually matters in this world

wooden briar
# crystal iron I fail to see how is taking a stand against micro transactions cringe.

It's cringe to think that an industry bigger than television will move away from chasing the 84% of revenue that does not come from traditional full-game sales. It's cringe to be 20 yrs late to actually possibly making any difference. You're taking a stand against something as commonplace in this industry as goods being sold in plastic packaging in the food industry.

#

The "fight" is over: you're decades too late to make any difference on this issue.

celest heron
#

least it's not map packs (in h2 btw), pay to win or loot boxes.

civic sundial
#

There's also the fact that there isn't anything other than cosmetics that they could monetise in Halo at this point

#

Like, exp boosts alone wouldn't sell

#

And they definitely wouldn't be able to sell weapons because of obvious reasons

crystal iron
warped yew
crystal iron
celest heron
crystal iron
warped yew
#

Weren't they 12 bucks?

#

Wait how many maps did you even get from it

crystal iron
warped yew
#

No I'm genuinely asking

celest heron
warped yew
#

If the next game will have a shop, let us buy individual stuff from the bundles 🙏

crystal iron
#

Heck I refuse to play Halo Infinite because of their egregious micro transactions and how horribly mismanaged it was handled.

crystal iron
warped yew
#

I hate people who say this, but don't just buy the stuff

#

I'm a hypocrite now :<

#

Atleast at the core, Halo infinite is fun and atleast this game is fully realized now (even if it took like 2 years :/ )

celest heron
warped yew
#

Not surprised tbh

#

But it is what it is

celest heron
#

biggest issue is they divided the playerbase.

crystal iron
warped yew
#

True. If forge just released like a month after launch, a huge portion of forgers would still be on the game

warped yew
crystal iron
celest heron
warped yew
#

The fact that the shop still exists means yeah what LukePowa said

magic night
#

The alternative to a lesser evil is a greater evil

warped yew
#

What if the alternative is good

magic night
#

Kind of the hwole point of the saying emphasizing "lesser" evil;

crystal iron
magic night
#

The most good alternative is the lesser evil

warped yew
#

What if it's not evil at all

celest heron
#

it's not worthless if someone finds value in it.

magic night
#

If an option manages to appease everyone, then great

crystal iron
warped yew
#

A shop isn't even that bad if it's handled properly. Fortnite does it very good

magic night
#

The saying about lesser evils comes about from the fact that most of the time you can't appease everyone. Someone stands to lose something from a given choice

crystal iron
warped yew
#

A lot of options to choose from, and you can buy individual stuff from bundles, and it's not even that overpriced. You can get like 4 skins with 1000 vbucks

#

Hey Fortnite is fun. Cope