halo-discussion

[stoic latch]

imagine owning one of the most popular IP's in gaming and being microsoft

[half abyss]

yeah no. speaking of. you think helldivers might have caused a shift in focus?

[ruby lake]

if its halo
im playing it

[onyx latch]

I doubt it.

I actually imagine the show is eating into 343's alloted resource budget insanely hard.

[sullen owl]

Jelly coming in from the top rope.

[half abyss]

cause a lot of those ideas came from a former 343 dev i heard. who kept getting their ideas shot down. I havent confirmed anything though so

[stoic latch]

Sony is winning in gaming

[onyx latch]

I mean, Helldivers 2 is actually not really new or fresh.

[ruby lake]

dont make me laugh

[onyx latch]

None, and I mean none of its concepts are fresh.

[stoic latch]

and they accepted the idea of a top down sarah palmer game?? BRUH

[onyx latch]

It borrows from Mercenaries, it borrows from Metal Gear, it borrows from Halo, it borrows from Starship Troopers, etc etc.

[livid fable]

? so?

[ruby lake]

games gotta have some inspiration nowadays

cant be mean abt it

[half abyss]

still ill take that over a lot of titles. just cause it isnt new doesnt mean it wont work right?

[onyx latch]

My point is that it's kind of great because it's like Halo-it combined a lot of proven concepts that worked together.

[livid fable]

when I saw hell divers I just looked at it as another ODST game

[onyx latch]

The comparison of Helldivers to ODSTs rubs me the wrong way because it's such a surface level take.

[livid fable]

I really don't understand your point then. I agree with what you say here, I just don't understand why it's being said. I don't understand how it relates to what it was a response to

[stoic latch]

ah man the show 😵‍💫 I heard they didn't even have the budget to have a proper reach story so they just went for a 1 episode thing

[livid fable]

when I first saw it, not afterward.

[onyx latch]

Not saying you specifically, I mean overall.

[livid fable]

there is a game it is much more like I'm trying to remember the name of. I think it was on Xbox back in 2003, 2005

[stoic latch]

OOPS spoilers

[livid fable]

you are on a

LOST WORLD, but not Jurassic Park

[onyx latch]

Uhhhh

[half abyss]

i feel like infinite tried to reinvent the wheel on a lot of things, which kinda fell flat, game still works, its just i dont see a lot of people staying.

I honestly think both mcc and infinite could learn a thing or two from eachother and ultimately make both much better

[ruby lake]

(c o m e d y g o l d !)

[onyx latch]

Turok?

[livid fable]

no, I think it was literally called Lost world, give me a sec

lost planet!

[onyx latch]

Ah, yeah.

[livid fable]

all of its games were good and after playing helldivers, it feels a lot like a spiritual successor to that

[sullen owl]

If only the glowy points in Helldivers were actual weakpoints. :/

[onyx latch]

Thing is, there's comparison vids between Helldivers 2 and MGSV. It's almost identical.

[half abyss]

imagine if mcc started rolling out coating alongside primary and secondary. make a whole new season based on it. that would be cool

[livid fable]

never actually played metal gear.

[onyx latch]

NOOOOOOOOOO.

[livid fable]

...... you know, honestly, I don't know why. I really should.

[half abyss]

I TYPOD i meant mcc

[ruby lake]

i only played mg rising

revengance

[half abyss]

new season, make it free, good stuff, wont replace prim/sec colors, just as an alternative

[onyx latch]

MGSV is generally considered the best raw combat in the series because it's extremely fluid and responsive. Like Helldivers.

It feels, well, good.

[ruby lake]

neverr played the game

[half abyss]

i think both can coexist, coatings are cool it just shouldnt replace the old stuff

[onyx latch]

Additionally, they borrowed the concept of airstrikes and stuff from a few other games, but the concept of a third person shooter with callable airstrikes is mostly a Mercenaries thing.

[half abyss]

bro was like___

[onyx latch]

... Honestly, I miss the Mercenaries franchise. It was legit.

[half abyss]

I miss blacklight retribution

that game did f2p right, it had microtransactions, but everything could be grinded for free, It WAS a time requirement, but not a ridiculous one

i would have been on infinite non stop if it was like that

[sullen owl]

Blacklight Tango Down was neat for a cheaper arcade game.

[half abyss]

i like non monetized in-game money, makes your character feel more rooted into the universe

especially when it doesnt have a daily cap on it

[sullen owl]

Every game before 2012?

[half abyss]

yeah but you know, they all tried to reinvent the wheel and now we have the infinite exchange, that tries to act like it but getting anywhere there is like pulling teeth

"a way for spartans to catch up on missed events" ok when's jfo gonna show up there?

if at all

[onyx latch]

Laughs in completing every event

[half abyss]

i mean good for you. you got all the free things. I just think FOMO is an underhanded tactic to keep players engaged

[fallen flame]

I think spartan surplus might be alot of the past event stuff coming into the exchange

[half abyss]

spartan what now

[half abyss]

uuugh exchangggeee

[fallen flame]

Exchange just needs some tweaking and it will be perfect

[livid fable]

oh hey, anybody play that new zombies mode?

[half abyss]

i know im being a stick in the mud but like

[livid fable]

it looks kind of like firefight with some bells and whistles

[half abyss]

yeah like ok i get the MAP

but that aint zombies son, dems covvies

[livid fable]

to be honest, I don't really care about zombies. I care about firefight. is it about the same?

[half abyss]

they couldnt make bots that have the flood armor pieces?

i mean yeah that would require some rebalancing from the covenant enemies but still

[analog salmon]

spartan bots dont have interesting combat

would be really boring fighting bots that just walk towards you

[half abyss]

i mean, when you think about it, do zombies?

cod zombies just had swarm tactics

even the flood did

[analog salmon]

i dont think the idea is to recreate cod zombies 1:1

[onyx latch]

There's cod zombie modes that use bots anyways

[analog salmon]

its a spin on the mode with halo pve gameplay

hence ur a spartan and can slide around and whatnot lol

[half abyss]

I suppose, cant make OJ with lemons

[scarlet shuttle]

Can’t believe we are still forced to put up with Super weapons when we want to enjoy Fiesta or Husky Raid. It’s boring.

Every game is one team or the other hammering the rest.

[shadow turret]

Morrigan
I want it so bad

[snow ibex]

Do we get the reward for playing the mode? Or is it playing with them?

[sullen owl]

Playing with them.

[fickle rune]

Yes and theres no point in have two hammers and two swords they need to nerf the hammers and make them less common

[vale swallow]

I know I'm jumping ahead here but story wise, now that Halo 7 is in the works, with the start of a new trilogy, I think Halo 9 should introduce time travel.

[signal ivy]

I don't even know where to start with that

[ruby lake]

wh

i think halo should have a fighting game or at least a gamemode of that kind

ive gotten too comfortable beating up covenant with melee weapons and punches

rhat would be

very fun

[zealous panther]

I am time travel

[onyx latch]

Actually one of the worst takes ever

Introducing time travel as a central element is one of the only ways you'd actually get me to quit caring about Halo.

[fickle rune]

Thats what ruined marvel for me

End game was great but almost everything after that was just a sad attempt of marvel

[tulip tusk]

i hope no time travel. limited time manipulation via time locks, like causing time to slow or accelerate in limited spaces, is tech the forerunners and ancient humans had. and u can see some of them in Halo infinite's Halo but large scale time travel and "jumping" back and forth is just awful, no please

[left sail]

100% if it gets rid of Halo 5 Story . Cortana Haters will say anything to keep here dead or evil.

[ruby lake]

i thought halo 5 was ok (but it can be improved, im not gonna whine about it like thee majority of halo fans)

[finite prawn]

theres 2 stages that do that

[analog salmon]

Halo 5 shoulda been appreciated for probably the best PvE gameplay since ODST

but people just hated to story and wrote it off

Also the environments were amazing

[agile lodge]

The gameplay design wasn’t not good for Pve wth

[analog salmon]

Eh it felt fun for me

[agile lodge]

Since you have Spartan abilities enemies had to have more homing projectiles to actually hit you

That was annoying, and it’s not fun, it’s basically pop and shoot gameplay since that’s what you had to do

[analog salmon]

It’s a coop game

[agile lodge]

Not a very well thought out one

[analog salmon]

Eh alright

[agile lodge]

Halo 3 still stands at the best coop campaign imo

And Halo CE

[analog salmon]

I enjoyed 5 campaign as someone who hated 4

And I’ve never played 5 MP

3 is one of the greatest co op games of all time

But 5 is not bad at all

[sturdy kernel]

If only Halo 5 had been available on PC

[ruby knoll]

ew

[analog salmon]

Say ew but it’s true lol

Both 3 and 5 are great co op

Any co op game people would disregard your opinion playing solo

But 3 and 5 people try to judge solo

Which is just not what the game is

[onyx latch]

Holy crap recon18 is based!?

[analog salmon]

Always was

[left sail]

You can't play most of H5 off line and there's no split screen so it not just the story that's holding it back. It would need a full remake.

[spare finch]

spartans in halo infinite are basically human sleds with guns

lore accuracy
I see this as an absolute win... or a loss depending on skill level

[rain horizon]

Aren't Spartans super fast and have great reaction time

Even the cover for the game is locke and chief but they only have one small fight

[onyx latch]

Honestly, I'm glad it was only one small one.

Everything the ads was hinting at made me less excited for 5 because 'old supersoldier goes rogue and fights the new one' is literally one of my least favorite storylines ever. I thought Halo was jumping the shark.

I prefer the plot we got significantly. If only it was actually stuck with.

[rain horizon]

Buck said in H5 everyone is going to hate them for trying to stop chief. I'm guessing 343 already knew how much hate Osiris would get

[stoic latch]

no

Time travel is stupid especially for Halo

[crystal iron]

Ploop

[spare finch]

remove sweats from btb and you have the best mode in existence

sweats just ruin it

[crystal iron]

Real

[crystal iron]

Shock rifle kissers and mint blitz wannabes suck nuts

[spare finch]

tbh, give everyone power weapons or remove power weapons from the mode

there are not enough power weapons

there are not enough power vehicles either

[tulip tusk]

u may have better luck in custom browser sometimes people host btb stuff and its more relaxed

[spare finch]

can't grind it, therefore i'm not going in it

[radiant sundial]

You can get xp in customgames??

[spare finch]

you can't get career rank score

[radiant sundial]

Also if your playing to grind thats probably why your getting mad at the game and the people in it

[spare finch]

no i'm mad because I can't get a 4000 score because of sweats

[radiant sundial]

Literally the only advice i can give is get good, theres plenty of content telling you how to get better at the game

[spare finch]

note that btb is supposed to be a social gamemode, I see no social in enemies grouping up and killing one person

[radiant sundial]

Ahem, get your own group

[spare finch]

they aren't useful, I've tried several times to watch those videos. They don't explain enough

[radiant sundial]

Also thats just you being dumb enough to push alone, i say this, because i do it regularly

[spare finch]

impossible, it says everyone is offline in infinite + everyone ignores all communication

[spare finch]

I actually don't push alone, I tend to be near teammates (but they keep doing stupid things)

[radiant sundial]

#lfg-social

[spare finch]

usually never works

[radiant sundial]

Xbox lfg tab.

[spare finch]

I'd rather not use it

[radiant sundial]

Then just preschedule times to get together when people are on, thats all i got

[spare finch]

I can only consistently get 2000 score (thank sweats for that)

[radiant sundial]

Yk what, heres my last bit of advice, dont blame others for your own shortcomings, i see people doing that way too much

[ruby lake]

adapt and overcome

thats whar i do

[crimson berry]

Got very quickly reminded why I absolutely HATE CTF

Never again, it's a giant waste of time.

[tulip tusk]

ah ok. what are you grinding for, the armor? i thought firefight gives good xp as well?

[celest heron]

usually gives around 4-5k for me, but some can get 6k.

that's in normal ff

[spare finch]

4-5k in firefight, meanwhile xp is doubled in btb

that's why i'm trying to get 4-5k in btb (it'd equal almost 10k)

[celest heron]

yes, but how many games does that happen? overall, you might have to play more games of btb to get similar amounts of xp over time that ff gets with less games.

[rain horizon]

What the heck just played a game of firefight and Eschsrum showed up

[grave ether]

How do you define sweats?

[spare finch]

Pros that get 4-5k score consistently in btb (this is excluding the multiplier)

[spare finch]

And overall more kills than everyone else

I’d be able to get 3-4k consistently if sweats didn’t play btb

[grave ether]

You mean players that are better than you and know the game and match flow?

[spare finch]

Players that are way better than everyone else and abuse their skill to grind the hero rank and ruin it for others

[celest heron]

yep, several of the campaign bosses are in it.

[grave ether]

Yeah, that's what they are doing. Using their skill specifically to spite you. Such abuse! They don't even think about the players that are average in skill and how they are taking away the opportunity for them to be the top dog! Definitely need to change the game here

[left sail]

You see all the so call Halo fans here attacking every opinion thay see that thay don't like. This is just one of many thing killing this game.

[rain horizon]

I don't like

[grave ether]

That's not even what's happening here but ok lol

[rain horizon]

I only play coop because I want to kill banished

[grave ether]

Send them to the next banished realm. Banish them from ours!

[left sail]

The sbmm is the one responsible for most of the unbalanced teams. So even getting better at the game is not a guarantee for better matches.

[rain horizon]

Good players punished for playing well

[grave ether]

Punished or upgraded to the next level of skill

[spare finch]

You just have to fail in order to get worse players (which is stupid)

[rain horizon]

Just die to gravity hammers like me

[grave ether]

Because you want to be put up against worse players so that you can get more kills/points and be on top. You're whole complaint is that you do fairly average as a player, which isn't a bad thing, but want to get a prize as quick as possible rather than finding ways to enjoy the grind in your own time

[left sail]

Tuth be told it doesn't feel good killing people way below my level either.

[rain horizon]

Hope we get Chief and Arbiter bromance in the next game

[celest heron]

It's not fair. I want to be the sweat

[molten siren]

I am playing the MCC version of halo 1 and at the part in they library and this elevator comes, how do I get it to activate once I am on it?

[celest heron]

you just get on it and it goes up automatically

[molten siren]

this one comes up from the floor after a flood infested l shaped tunnel, I can hop on a vc to show if needed.

there are about 3 drones hovering just before the elevator

[celest heron]

you might have to backtrack if you missed a checkpoint

[molten siren]

I'll go look around. Thank you

[spare finch]

I told siri “wake me when you need me”
Their response was “set the alarm for when?”

[molten siren]

yeah turns out I was lost and going the wrong way, thanks for telling me

[left snow]

The alternative is one sided matches where SBMM is replaced and one player absolutely dominates.

What else can you do?

Random matchmaking is not the answer?

[crystal iron]

‘I’m better than noobs, anyone better than me is just hacking’

[zealous panther]

Classic library nightmare...

[white birch]

The remaster adding those giant glowing floor signs was GREAT

[stoic latch]

I really like the forerunner weapons in multiplayer

[left sail]

But that's what I'm saying sbmm is supposed to make more fair games of somewhat even skilled players but Instead were mostly getting games that were being straight out destroyed ore the other team has no chance of beating us.

[sturdy kernel]

It's time to meet a Flood again(Halo CE), but for this time on legendary difficulty

[sullen owl]

This is why the next Halo game needs large scale battles with bots in MP like Titanfall. Even bad players can feel like they're contributing.

[crystal iron]

So warzone?

[sullen owl]

Yes, but every mode is Warzone-like minus ranked.

[high raft]

So you want it to stop being Halo basically

[onyx latch]

Guess Bungie didn't want Halo to be Halo either.

Halo fans be like 'I want Halo to be #1 again but not if it does literally anything new'

[high raft]

Can't remember a Halo game from Bungie which focused entirely and exclusively on big scale games

[onyx latch]

It was a huge project they were trying very hard to fulfill in Halo 2 and 3.

They never really managed to because the systems at the time couldn't handle it convincingly.

Warzone was actually the closest anyone ever got.

[high raft]

Nah, that ship has sailed a long time ago. It would be great if Halo could be simply Halo again. Experiments are fine and dandy, always a neat addition but the focus should be on its strengths

[onyx latch]

Well, its strength was mostly incorporating tried and true elements of other video games into a more streamlined and palatable format, but that happens to be what Halo fans hate, so.

[high raft]

I thoroughly enjoyed Warzone for it was. I'd enjoyed it much less if it was all Warzone and no classic 4v4 though.

[onyx latch]

Sooo focusing on the shallow end and not the cooool as hell deep end that actually tends to gather more interest these days, got it.

[stoic latch]

halo battle royale when 😵‍💫

[high raft]

You may call it whatever you want, it wasn't Warzone like big scale battled that helped climbing its spot back in the days.

Trying out the "cooool as hell deep end" didn't managed to bring it back there because other games figured it out much better. So why alienating whatever is left of the fanbase just to appeal to an audience which will leave after aprox half a year anyways?

H:I went into a great direction with a blend of both but as always first impressions matter and it unfortunately had a rough reveal which didn't do it any favors in the long run

[onyx latch]

Oh, see, I view it more as 'why keep trying to capitulate to a regressive fanbase that cries about being moved on from when they moved on themselves aside from constant whining'

[neon jasper]

I have more fun playing Halo than anything CoD

[onyx latch]

A lot of Halo's current pain is traced to over-reactivity to blithely spouted fan cravings and trying to keep a foot in the door of something that's been niche for over a decade.

[onyx latch]

I mean, same, even the Halos I don't like.

... Except 2. That just gets too boring for me to enjoy.

[neon jasper]

Well we already know about Black Ops 6 I wonder if MS will have anything Halo related during he conference

[stoic latch]

I play halo for the gravity hammer but it keeps getting stolen by faster teammates

so annoying

[neon jasper]

Lol

[stoic latch]

in one match this same teammate took it from me twice.. twice

on the second time he looked at me and dropped the hammer lol

[onyx latch]

At this rate, I feel like Halo's the low risk red headed stepchild at events.

Actually annoys the hell out of me. Give em more budget, you guys, the hell?

[stoic latch]

sell the IP to ubisoft

(im just kidding)

[high raft]

That's my whole point. Instead of simply sticking to something and improving on it over a release or two Halo's "identity" or gimmick changes with every iteration since a looot of years because it tries too hard to imitate what other games have been doing for many years. Why do you think CoD got so popular? The best received and most popular iterations are those which aren't trying anything too fancy and instead focus on improving on what worked in its predecessor. Sure, the series is as bland as bland can be but unlike Halo it manages to stay popular and highly successful and even managed to "outplay" its biggest competitor with Battlefield.

Not that I'm saying Halo should go into the same direction but maybe not overhauling almost everything and diving into completely unexplored waters whenever a new game gets into dev could be a neat alternative approach.

[onyx latch]

You do realize it's people who like Halo 1-3+Reach and think it should stay like that I vehemently loathe, right.

Not much wrong with liking them, poor choice of words, more the latter is a problem than the former.

[ruby knoll]

halo didn't get popular solely on its own merits

massive ad campaigns, market conditions, and other external factors were a massive factor

[rain horizon]

Halo 5 with the take down animations

[onyx latch]

It's utterly flabbergasting that people still don't remember that 3 fundamentally changed a lot of promotional structures and is used as a study for game advertising. It's even worse that Microsoft stopped doing it with Halo for some reason.

[high raft]

I couldn't care less about what you loathe or not, I'm just stating my opinion. The change that Halo needs is to stop changing, maybe taking an L down the road (like with H:I to a certain degree) and using the experience to make it even better next time instead of throwing away the experience.

Warzone is a great example. It could've become a real eyecatcher in H:I with its focus on bigger maps, the marketing of its open world and all that yadda but instead of improving on a neat concept they completely ditched it which is a shame.

[glacial tartan]

What changes should 343 make to drive player retention? 😄 Maybe we can get more prescriptive for a change of pace.

[rain horizon]

Add a prop hunt mode

[onyx latch]

I mean, first and foremost I'd say would be getting back to a consistent season release quantity and schedule.

[glacial tartan]

Drop pods!!!

[onyx latch]

With a new 'thing' every season, gameplay related.

[glacial tartan]

I would agree a huge problem is communication, which I think is what you're hinting at

[rain horizon]

So Iratus got all the Spartan secrets and we are left hanging to what happened next

[ruby knoll]

even when 343 communicates we still get issues

[onyx latch]

Partly-it's also the temperamental release schedule and inscrutable priorities.

[glacial tartan]

Ah - I refer to this as poor management.

[onyx latch]

Like, we get a ton of cosmetic stuff, but its mostly paid. What isn't paid is FOMO for the most part too.

[glacial tartan]

Yeah its like the exchange existing in MCC but oh yeah some cosmetics are on a 2 year rotation because reasons

[onyx latch]

Like, where are the commendations? Where are the long term permanent unlocks for gameplay unlocked via specific gameplay feats.

Where is the new non-cosmetic content?

[glacial tartan]

I will put this topic in the "end game" discussion

I dont think 343 has properly figured out what an end game should look like for people who are commited to playing and aiming for more long term goals 😄

[onyx latch]

Forge, sure, but your average joe schmoe doesn't care that flood base bits were added. He wants a new gun, or vehicle, something fundamentally game changing.

[ivory sun]

That was my main issue with the multiplayer since the beginning of this year

[glacial tartan]

Another one we can add is playlist management. A playlist shouldnt exist in the game completely broken for days/weeks/months on end (Didnt this happen with BTB?)

We see similar with MCC, playlists totally dead should be pruned/adapted more often than...never

[onyx latch]

Which is weird, because as we know from 4 and 5, they should know. How did these got lost in the shuffle?

[onyx latch]

Also yes, this happened with BTB.

[ivory sun]

We lost the multiplayer storyline, dev maps became less and less common, and sandbox additions are a total mystery. And if you told me we lost all of that in favor of other adjustements and upgrades that would be fine. But there are no roadmaps or ways to know what's coming, and all we see getting added are Forge maps

[glacial tartan]

In MCC once you pass a certain amount of XP the entire XP screen stops working. I guess they didnt think anyone would get that far.

[onyx latch]

Guh.

[onyx latch]

Yes, it's very poor optics.

[glacial tartan]

Everyone I know who got that high has messaged to each other to ask if their game is broken

[onyx latch]

I mean I'm not saying I want glass walls and a dissertation.

But like, I'd like a direction, a knowledge of focus and actual statement of where this game is headed.

[rain horizon]

They still haven't fixed the flying dancing dead Spartan

[glacial tartan]

I thought they said this is a feature

[onyx latch]

It's a game with a ragdoll death model. Anyone who worries about that is a goober.

[glacial tartan]

This is why I didnt support side attempts to monetize MCC further (since its not free already) - because there isnt and has never been a roadmap. Where is our money going? 😄

[ivory sun]

If they're already full on with the development of Halo 7 then I can see Infinite nearing the end of its support cycle

[glacial tartan]

Give me a direction and I'll throw money at you 343. I've already done over 10K hours on your games now...

[onyx latch]

You are literally the first person I've ever seen who has given me an actually good reason to say why you were against that, thank you.

[rain horizon]

Halo 7

[ivory sun]

I'm just waiting for Halo 7 to reveal itself at the showcase honestly

[onyx latch]

Like, as far as answers go, a lot always go to saying 343's greedy. But not having a roadmap is a good reason.

[ivory sun]

Infinite had a good run especially in 2023, but I feel it's now too late to exploit the unused potential it has
In other words, it's done

[glacial tartan]

I tried to play through H2 Co-op with a friend of mine who had never played it before and learned that you cant use vehicles on some maps because if they explode the entire game crashes - simultaneously 343 introduced a post game stance screen that is totally random - and it becomes really clear looking at the game as a whole that their efforts, while noble, are seemingly scattered

The H2 hit registration change has been requested for years - and it finally gets pushed in 2024? How did stances/fiescalation beat those to the finish line

[onyx latch]

Eh. I tend to just broadly gesture at games like Mechwarrior Online or Rainbow Six Siege when people say a game's cooked.

[ivory sun]

Those two never had the same problems as Infinite

[onyx latch]

There's things that can be done. Problem is that running around like a chicken with its head cut off, as Panda mentioned, is... Not exactly constructive.

[onyx latch]

As a longtime MWO vet, I am laughing so hard right now.

[ivory sun]

But yeah, updates without a plan and without direction are not the way to go

[glacial tartan]

It also very importantly makes it much harder to give credit when its due!!!

The H2 registration fix is awesome - and to get it so late in MCCs lifecycle says a lot.

But then you have the myriad of failures in between and you've lost the audience.

[stoic latch]

idk man Rainbow Six has a roadmap every year

[onyx latch]

It made a large recovery after doing a few large patches that had a solid foundation.

As for MWO it languished for nearly half a decade before finally establishing proper roadmaps and getting its crap together.

[ivory sun]

People will be happy as long as the devs show that they learned from the mistakes with Infinite and ensure Halo 7 doesn't repeat them

[stoic latch]

I don't wanna get banned nvm

[shrewd finch]

Some cosmetics aren't even unlockable anymore because of the broken Featured items list in the exchange and some ranked challenges not being brought back.

[left sail]

As long as Microsoft see shareholders more important than there gamers Halo will continue getting worse. Greed will kill this game.

[ivory sun]

*Greed killed this game

[left sail]

That's why I'm not getting Halo 7.

[ruby knoll]

ah yes, as long as Microsoft sees apples as more important than oranges

lemme guess, the shareholders care about infinite's monetization

[frosty condor]

You think MS didn’t have greed when they had Bungie? It’s a corporate business, profit will always come first.

[left sail]

Lol of course thay did but it much worse now.

[ruby knoll]

nah

[sullen owl]

Are you telling me that the Xbox brand isn't a side-project non-profit charitable foundation to bring the fun of gaming to the masses?

[ruby knoll]

anyways, the shareholders (over half of us citizens are shareholders in something or the other btw) don't care about minutia like a single game

at most they'll care about the performance of Microsoft's gaming division as a whole

on Microsoft's balance sheet, especially today, Halo is a rounding error

this isn't to say the monetization of infinite is good or bad, just that the shareholders boogieman is overplayed and often irrelevant

[shrewd finch]

No Microsoft definitely does care about maximizing shareholder profits now more then ever and it does affect xbox

The argument that they don't care about maximizing halos profits because it's not that profitable to the company as a whole is stupid, because every little bit counts to increasing profits for shareholders

Shareholders are a huge problem in modern day companies, not just microsoft. The idea that shareholders own a company and therefore the company should act in the shareholders best interest is such a stupid idea that unfortunately got popularized.

Also bungie-era gaming wasn't as invested in maximizing profits, or atleast they didn't know how to because microtransactions didn't really exist, or weren't as efficient.

[tulip tusk]

Giant opinion, I'll add points so it's easier to read by the 5 people who do read it. Yes I have a lot of free time. No I'm not drinking at the moment.

• BLOOD IN THE WATER: There has definitely been a weird addition to gaming over time that's worth discussing and shouldn't be dismissed. The whole monetization models of games has definitely created more jobs and titles inside companies than there used to be. Maybe it sparked via gacha mobile games, or old mmos like Runescape... But at some point companies saw how much money people fork over for pretty dumb stuff lol. And it began to spread. Nowadays a game seemingly has to have microtransactions in some way, and they have to figure how to be sort of predatory enough to play the mind games and get the money, while not being illegal or going too far and triggering customer drama.

• A BALANCED "ECOSYSTEM": Some games do it well but most struggle with the balance or are barely worried about it because so much money comes in. I feel like a good balance of gameplay earning stuff, or in game "currency" earned via gameplay, or lastly spending money for shortcutting usually is received well. Some people toss obscene amounts of money at anything, including awful mobile games like WWE Champions or stuff like that. Spending gives them status and pixel rewards and ego boosts.

• THE MONEY NET: If you put a debatably predatory microtransaction model out there that dollars you for every aspect of the "game", enough people leap into it instead of saving for retirement so it turns out to be worth it lol. Make a model where a player can "optionally" spend $3k monthly on the game to reach the top of the leaderboards or get the look they want and surprisingly thousands of people WILL pay that much. Like fishing for money fish with a wide net. The game becomes a net instead of art. Halo isn't at that stage luckily.

• ART & GAMES: I wish games that are truly pieces of art and labor earned the most money as a reward but that doesn't happen all the time. At least a game like Helldivers 2 is extremely successful though that's a good sign. I consider Halo to be great example of the blending of art and game that people can appreciate so it's not a lost cause or anything. It's still being physically made by people who work towards that artistic and emotional goal i love u forgelord but the money company people are still whispering in their ears and poking their sides, more ferociously in recent times because they can get away with way more than they used to. Old game companies would be amazed at how much they could have gotten away with if they used modern monetization methods.

[left sail]

The problem is nobody wants to put in for long-term investment because thay don't get as much money so thay wind up killing there cash cow.

[ruby knoll]

pffft

[ruby knoll]

a company wants to be profitable because the alternative is being unprofitable, which generally speaking, is bad. Shareholders won't care about minutia like one title out of hundreds, within a large gaming division.

[ruby knoll]

Shareholders do own public companies though.

[shrewd finch]

That's not a rebuttal to my argument

[ruby knoll]

if they could've monetized things back then they would've

[shrewd finch]

Maximizing profits can be bad for long term profits as it can ruin customer loyalty, cause massive layoffs, and ruin brand image as well as stifling innovation.

[shrewd finch]

How do you know lol? You Jesus?

[ruby knoll]

because i wasn't born yesterday

[shrewd finch]

They shouldn't

[ruby knoll]

so.... you want to ban investment? lol ok

[wooden briar]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Let me catch up on this goodness here.

[ruby knoll]

shareholders scawwy

you're caught up now

[shrewd finch]

What I meant to say is that they shouldn't be able to have absolute say over a company

[ruby knoll]

they don't lol

[wooden briar]

LOLLLLLLLL 2.0

I cannot even begin to restore the fundamental building blocks of understanding how economics, business, and investment work that are missing.

[shrewd finch]

What I meant by "own" is run a company

[grave ether]

Shareholders aren't the problem. There's plenty of problems in the system as a whole but that's not it

[shrewd finch]

Please explain in a more mature manner then spamming lol, aren't you staff?

[ruby knoll]

most financially literate halo fan

i hope you don't have a retirement account

[wooden briar]

You're incorrect, I'm not spamming.

[shrewd finch]

I mean like lololol

[grave ether]

[ruby knoll]

otherwise you're a sHaReHoLDer oooooo scawwy

[shrewd finch]

Explain then

[wooden briar]

I'll do that if I want.

But let's get back to the basic concept of shareholders not "running" a company.

[shrewd finch]

Really representing the community in a non toxic way

Good job

[wooden briar]

Drop it and relax.

[shrewd finch]

Lol

[grave ether]

Now you're thinking with portals

[ruby knoll]

the community does that well enough on its own

[tulip tusk]

i dont mind the shareholder thing it's more up to the audience they decide what game gets money or not

[shrewd finch]

Though I do encourage you to convince me other wise, I am open to have a discussion about this

I too like learning and growing

[wooden briar]

So it is a very very basic building block that shareholders do not "run" a company. There are multiple share classes, and the shares you can likely afford do not have rights to "run" a company, only to vote on certain matters.

[ruby knoll]

https://bergplummer.com/blog/commercial-litigation/fiduciary-duty-shareholders/

[wooden briar]

Also, most people own shares within a fund, so it is the fund managers that are managing the individual stock holdings within the fund without any involvement form the investor.

[ruby knoll]

while company officers have certain fiduciary duties to the shareholders, there's a lot of leeway

[wooden briar]

There are so many more basic layers to this, but suffice it to say, vast majority of shareholders just want their share values to go up in the long-term, and they will sell shares if the company behind a share seems to be in poor health.

[shrewd finch]

Many CEO's paychecks are tied to the stockmarket which is influenced by shareholders, the board of directors job is to appease shareholders, and the board of directors and let go management that is not doing so

[wooden briar]

Yeah, shareholders want to make money. And you saying "shareholders are the problem" is denigrating many of your fellow community members, so by saying that you are also not representing the community well.

[ruby knoll]

i wonder if people understand why fiduciary duty towards shareholders exists

lets say you take a loan from your bank. Is there not an obligation to repay

[wooden briar]

Most people with a 401k or other workplace retirement plan have it set by default in a target date fund or index fund, which means it's highly likely MSFT is part of their holdings. So many community members are investors in MSFT > Xbox > Halo.

[shrewd finch]

What? I'm saying that they shpuld be less focused on shareholders, not not focused at all. Companies should also focus on improving their own buisness, employees, communities, customers

[ruby knoll]

people invest into companies with the goal of getting returns

[wooden briar]

"Shareholders are a huge problem"

[onyx latch]

pfffft

[ruby knoll]

you realize shareholder interests aren't exclusive to those

[shrewd finch]

Right now yes, because too much focus is put on them

[wooden briar]

Shareholders are mostly regular people who are working hard to sacrifice and save for retirement. They are not the problem.

[onyx latch]

I knew it. I knew they were making blood sacrifices. This justifies everything terrible I've ever said about shareholders.

[shrewd finch]

I understand, but shareholders want profits, and that can come at a cost, if too much importance is placed on them

[wooden briar]

lol that and being The Big Funds boogeymen.

[ruby knoll]

and if shareholder interests are ignored, then you won't get investments

[wooden briar]

So you are amending your position to reduce blame on shareholders and now instead are advocating for balancing shareholder gains vs other considerations? That's a big change but a welcome one to the discussion.

[ruby knoll]

it's a balancing act

[shrewd finch]

I'm not saying entirely ignore them, but to also put importance on other things other than shareholders

[wooden briar]

So they are now not "a huge problem".

[ruby knoll]

ok
that's already happening

[shrewd finch]

That was my intention in the first place, sorry if it did not come across as such

[shrewd finch]

Not to the amount that it should in my opinion

[wooden briar]

Then I also am sorry that I dismissed your position. I understand you better now and I appreciate your intent to understand me in turn.

[ruby knoll]

here we go, more relevant than the last link https://online.hbs.edu/blog/post/fiduciary-duty-to-investors

[wooden briar]

The big picture for the individuals and families who put their hard-earned dollars into investments that include MSFT is this: if they see a trend of report cards that seem to create a picture of a company in poor health (who has told the investor "we will try to be good stewards of your investment"), then it increases the chance that the investor will turn in their investment in that company for cash and then use that cash to buy another healthier-seeming company instead. So the investor is not telling MSFT what to do in any way. They are only deciding after a period of performance evaluation has passed.

[shrewd finch]

Yes but shareholders have influence on a companies choices, not directly but indirectly

[wooden briar]

Completely separate from that, you do have essentially Great Powers Conflicts occurring where supergiant funds can purchase enough high-class shares to actually wield direct influence. Those are so spectacular in scope and infrequent that they often make the news when advocating for a change in direction.

[wooden briar]

But that degree of indirectness is extended to the point that it absolves the common investor of responsibility for what the company does. You drive on the road, but you are not responsible for the state deciding to start a summer construction project across 10 miles of highway. You participate, but so indirectly that you do not control the way they run the roads.

Just, if the road gets bad enough, you may choose to stop using it and use another route instead.

[grave ether]

I really like that analogy. Nice one!

[wooden briar]

Thank you! I hope it illustrates what I was driving at.

[grave ether]

I think you steered it in the right direction. Good turn of events

[wooden briar]

That's wheel nice of you to say.

[shrewd finch]

I understand that and agree that most investors dont have direct influence over a company and just want to make money (rightfully so), but they can drive that company to make decisions since companies can become too invested in shareholder profits (also semi rightfully so)

[grave ether]

I could keep going but I don't want to derail the discussion more

[ruby knoll]

employees are shareholders too

[wooden briar]

Understandable, plus others may tire of our puns.

[ruby knoll]

or well, can be

many Microsoft employees are shareholders

[wooden briar]

And as such, have a more direct voice, but we wouldn't think of saying they're "a problem". They are prime examples of investors who work hard to do what's right.

[grave ether]

They can because the State will make road decisions based on the traffic they see happening. But ultimately it is on the state and those hired by the state (advisors, city planners, ect) to decide the road decisions

[wooden briar]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[grave ether]

That's why I like this analogy. It simplifies it and can be built upon

[wooden briar]

Excellent analogy buildout!

[shrewd finch]

In my opinion companies place too much importance on these shareholders, and should redirect that importance to other things to have a balance

[onyx latch]

Personally, I think everyone involved should turn to goo.

[shrewd finch]

This importance that is placed can have negative effects on the consumer, the employees (layoffs), the environment (pollution and waste), safety of products (Boeing is a good example), and more

[wooden briar]

I know we started off on the wrong foot, and I now say this with genuine intent to increase understanding: shareholders are important, because if a company did not find shareholders' investment essential to their business, they would simply not have them and go private.

That is the whole point of a company having shareholders: because they need the money from selling those shares.

[shrewd finch]

I agree that they are important

[wooden briar]

and keeping them happy is of prime importance because shareholder investment is of prime importance; yet shareholders are not making decisions that you as a gamer are unhappy with.

[shrewd finch]

How much importance companies place on them over some other things is another thing

[shrewd finch]

Would disagree on prime importance, but still important

[wooden briar]

If a company performs poorly, the shareholders will start falling away eventually. But a more direct "voice" of accountability is what you can already do: buy or not buy a product or service. Yet even that is realistically miniscule in the context of a large corp's numbers. So the unpleasant reality to accept is that...however ardent an opinion, it may not have power to change anything.

I have to run, but again, I apologize for misunderstanding your intent and I do sincerely appreciate your genuine interest in trying to understand this issue. It's great to have people like you who jolt our minds and spark good meaningful discussion. @shrewd finch

[shrewd finch]

Yeah I appreciate discussions like these as it helps me question my beliefs and learn and grow and such, so thank you for that.

[grave ether]

Internet debate, the good ending

[left sail]

Invester have no power over video game? sorry but that's 100% a lie. If you want proof of this just look up Black Rock there not even trying to hide it.

[ruby knoll]

oooo blackrock, part of the great omniconspiracy

i hold some of their ETFs

[topaz pier]

What's that soundtrack from halo 3 odst that plays when the odst's drop when the slipspace rupture happens

[left sail]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hRwyzHJJ9hs&list=PLfU6z6RDFA2n9jIMpLWf1cQu1QFOaRGSN&index=1&pp=iAQB8AUB

This mite help you find it.

[spare finch]

weird glitch: halo infinite gave me 3000 smth applied score for free despite getting one kill and leaving a match. I somehow got my previous round's applied score applied to the round I left??? I don't even know how that happened.

[left sail]

Free stuff not a bad thing exactly for this game. lol

[spare finch]

true

I didn't even get enough kills to get that much score applied

[left sail]

Every time thay kill one bug another one shows up.

[spare finch]

I analyzed the glitch a bit
turns out the game thinks that you just finished the round you got a high score on after you left a low-kill round immediately after, so it gives you that score from the previous completed round.

[scarlet shuttle]

We lost a Husky Raid game but before they score the 3rd point, two team mate left so the other team decided to keep the flag and kill us over and over until end of timer. I believe this is very unsporting behaviour and deserves to be reported and lead to ban, it is somewhat an exploit for farming ranking EXP.

[frosty condor]

Did you report them post game?

There’s a report feature in game

[scarlet shuttle]

Yes, I reported them in-game and on Xbox Live.

[stoic latch]

I mean.....

thats not against the rules I think?

[scarlet shuttle]

It’s unsporting behaviour and is part of the major reason you can give for a report on Xbox Live.

[white birch]

If only people actually feared doing that...

That'd actually make me interested in playing Husky Raid agian

[scarlet shuttle]

It ruins the fun of everyone. Even when I’m on the team who does this I hate it. When you have a challenge to play 8 games and have very limited time to play, it’s annoying to have to wait for no reason. The moment I put my hand on that flag, I score and end everything up.

Of course I let people finish their killing spree when they are on it, but once they are dead it’s over, even if they went back, I’m not letting them go on and on.

You had your turn, you had your fun, now it’s over and on to the next game.

[jade pebble]

yeah this sucks

[crystal iron]

It’s not unsportsmanlike behavior

It would be if they did that and then started calling you slurs or insults post game

All they’re doing is running out the clock and farming xp, that’s what they do in mcc grifball too

Also if you have to play within a short time span shouldn’t you be queueing for quick play

[jade pebble]

imo it is. I was just in a team that did that and I just feel bad for the opposing team at that point

[jade pebble]

also wanting to move on from a match doesnt have to be because someones in a hurry. its frustraiting to sit in a match for longer than is needed

[crystal iron]

Then quit, there’s no immediate penalty like mcc

You don’t play out the rest of the game and get spawn killed

If you do you get whatever xp you got

[jade pebble]

you get no score or xp for the match so its a complete waste of time

[crystal iron]

Exactly but you’re not wasting your time getting spawn killed

[jade pebble]

all because the other team wants to do that

[crystal iron]

Unfortunately nobody else cares and we all play husky raid for the xp

[jade pebble]

get real

[crystal iron]

You me and little Timmy all spawn camp the other team because it means we get more xp

[stoic latch]

yeah man don't complain about dying and being farmed when you are the one dying and being farmed just leave or get gud

[crystal iron]

I guarantee this topic wouldn’t be brought up if they were winning

[jade pebble]

I just brought it up even tho I was in the winning team

[crystal iron]

I meant the other dude

[jade pebble]

your point is still nullified by the fact that I did bring it up even tho I was in the winning team

[crystal iron]

Bro probably reports ppl who teabag him

[jade pebble]

in the unsportsmanlike category

[crystal iron]

Ok? That doesn’t really justify why people should get ‘banned’ for doing something in a game that’s well within their ability

[stoic latch]

yeah man winning and bad mannering the enemy team is always satisfying and it's not illegal

[crystal iron]

I don’t see nearly as many ppl complaining about forge maps in h3 btb where if one team is good they can spawn kill the other team all game

Like trust me nobody likes getting hit with the hammer or blasted by rockets on repeat but it’s just a game mode that’s randomised, it happens

[jade pebble]

just because you can doesnt mean you should. also if you get banned for teabagging just get gud 💀

reporting is also well within peoples ability

dont play stupid games and win stupid prizes

[crystal iron]

But also if I shouldn’t that doesn’t mean I will

[jade pebble]

ok and?

[crystal iron]

Unless 343 actually fixed it so they have a soft kill barrier to prevent people from staying in the enemy spawn it’s not against the rules

It’d be like getting upset that people can dome you on the top of Valhalla

There’s a reason it’s a fiesta game type outside of fun variety, if they made it only with one weapon then it would be extremely busted

[analog salmon]

ngl i never really got that being a matchmaking mode

[crystal iron]

It’s a killionaire simulator

[analog salmon]

like of all the customs games modes, im supprised husky raid is popular enough to make it into matchmaking

[crystal iron]

True that is strange now that you mention it

[analog salmon]

spawn killing has always been part of that mode though, idk why people keep complaining about it

[crystal iron]

Maybe the data from 4/5/MCC showed it was popular?

[analog salmon]

yeah i think it got popular in 5

[crystal iron]

Aside from infinite I’ve only played a bit of it in 4

[jade pebble]

arguing the point of something being unsportsmanship like on the grounds of the rules is also ridiculous. sportsmanship isnt based on rules its based on fair play and respecting your opponents. for example in some car racing series its allowed that you turn your opponent and crash them. it doesnt make it any less sportsmanship like to do that even if its within the rules.

[analog salmon]

imagine the lolage if trash compactor was in matchmaking

[crystal iron]

There’s a difference between irl sports and video games

[jade pebble]

I dont agree when it comes to fair play

[analog salmon]

the problem is spawn killing is widely considered a legit strategy in modes like griftball and husky raid

they could easily design the modes so you cant do it

[jade pebble]

I get that but Im not here to argue tactics

[crystal iron]

In racing you can’t ram your opponent because you are jeopardizing their safety, in halo you’re just stopping your opponent from capturing the flag

[analog salmon]

the fact it could be so easily prevented makes it debatably a intended aspect of the game

[jade pebble]

no you can is what Im saying. some series allow for this, for example nascar

[analog salmon]

and thus not foul play

[crystal iron]

Yeah well wasn’t there that guy who went full speed on the wall and got up 3 places

[jade pebble]

yeah

[crystal iron]

They changed the rules so you can’t do that anymore because of him

[analog salmon]

in high level sim racing you dont crash into people cause its not considered a fair play. but you obviously do in mario kart

[jade pebble]

yeah and?

[crystal iron]

Until that happened nobody said “hey that’s an unfair move you can’t do that”

[jade pebble]

yeah because it wasnt ever considered a viable tactic

it took almost 80 years for someone to try that in the sport

[crystal iron]

Yeah, so that’s what I mean about the spawn killing in husky raid, it’s a viable tactic so people aren’t going to get banned for it

[jade pebble]

your point is all over the place

you just said that they banned the move

[crystal iron]

Yeah after he did it

[analog salmon]

im ngl this analogy is completely useless and doesn't help either of you lol

[crystal iron]

True haha

[jade pebble]

the point is the sport allows for unsportsmanship like behaviour like wrecking your opponents, but doing so you cant argue its ok based on the fact that the rules dont prevent it

[analog salmon]

right but wrecking someone in mario kart isn't unsportsman

its literally considered skillfull play in that game

unsportsman in mario kart is sandbagging

[jade pebble]

the whole game is about wrecking your opponents like thats the entire gameplay

it isnt a good comparison

[dusk whale]

depends on if you do it to take/keep first place, or just do it to try and get that player to end up as low as possible even if you would end up finishing lower.

[analog salmon]

so husky raid is about killing your opponents as close to their spawn as possible so you have an actual chance of yeeting the flag they spawn right next to

[jade pebble]

ok but it isnt about holding onto the flag while your team keeps wrecking the other team just to extend the game further

[analog salmon]

tru

[jade pebble]

also this

[analog salmon]

that is actually actionable afaik tho

just quit and report them

[crystal iron]

Why tho

[analog salmon]

not capping the flag when you have it is unsportmanship whatever mode your in

[jade pebble]

idk if it is actionable, but the fact that they are asking you to report unsportsmanship like behaviour leaves room for interpertation which means anything that feels like it is ok to report

[analog salmon]

im pretty sure it is

[jade pebble]

its funny how you keep trying to argue for bad behaviour. it seems youre one of the people doing all these things

[crystal iron]

Because I do

[jade pebble]

yeah I'd agree

[crystal iron]

And I don’t hear anything about poor sportsmanship

[analog salmon]

its just statting really, wacking spawning players with a hammer for no reason is boring

[jade pebble]

maybe eventually you will in the form of a ban or something who knows

[crystal iron]

If I get banned in a halo game I would be very surprised

[analog salmon]

you're either statting or your trying to irritate people, once you have the last flag you need to cap you cap

[jade pebble]

yeah really no other reason to do it

[analog salmon]

and honestly the only reason it works is cause people dont really realise that's actionable. i'd just quit and report the person

[crystal iron]

Would you report the one with the flag or the whole team

[analog salmon]

probs the one with the flag

[jade pebble]

one with the flag

[crystal iron]

Because one is stopping the cap, but the others are stopping the team from taking it back

[analog salmon]

you're not getting banned on one report regardless

it's when you have multiple unsportmanship reports from multiple players 343 will review it and decide

[crystal iron]

I mean, you’re not getting banned on multiple

[jade pebble]

yeah but as someone thats on the front lines keeping the flag carrier safe you dont know they are just holding on to it unless it takes really long

[analog salmon]

you are, people just dont report

[jade pebble]

youre mostly doing your job so you dont have time to worry about the flag carriers doings

[analog salmon]

your own team mates can report you for that too

[crystal iron]

So either people don’t know or the more realistic approach is that people don’t care

[jade pebble]

eventually everyone will know

flag isnt being captured and youre just hammering people on the lines

[crystal iron]

I can assure you that my team would rather farm the other team for xp than care if you’re playing the game right

[analog salmon]

assuming everyone cares about XP

[crystal iron]

I mean why else would you play husky raid

[jade pebble]

for fun?

[analog salmon]

some people enjoy it believe it or not

[jade pebble]

why do you even play games lmao

[crystal iron]

I don’t, but fair enough

[analog salmon]

he just likes XP number go up

hence farming lol

[crystal iron]

Number go up I get dopamine

[analog salmon]

dull to me and yeah i'd just report if i played that mode but ig people are dumb if they dont

or maybe ur right and everyone is just down to farm eachother lol

[crystal iron]

I am

[analog salmon]

well clearly not everyone lol

[crystal iron]

Yeah haha

If it were btb I could understand because there’s more ppl involved but like the mode is a chaotic mess

[analog salmon]

i'd lol if 343 added an XP cap

[crystal iron]

They did with bot bootcamp before removing it didn’t they

[analog salmon]

im honestly supprised there isn't in every mode

i just dont care for XP that much. if XP is causing people to kill farm, why not cap it

who really cares if the few legitimately long games you lose out on XP

[crystal iron]

Because it’s faster and easier to get a killionaire and 1000 xp over and over than it is to try and cap for 300 xp

[analog salmon]

no i mean cap the amount of XP you can get in a game lol

[crystal iron]

Seems kinda weird if they did

[analog salmon]

idrc as long as XP is rewarded for good performance in your average game

seems kinda weird having an XP system that encourages people to farm kills instead of playing the mode

[crystal iron]

So like mcc capping at 30k

For performance

[analog salmon]

grift ball had the same issue. people who just wanted to play grift ball had to deal with people farming kills

is a career rank even worth having gameplay ruined lol?

[crystal iron]

If it gives satisfaction people will do anything for the end result

[analog salmon]

capping XP per game seems like a no brainer to me but yeah, this community would defend no cap to no end

[crystal iron]

Yeah imo it seems stupid in infinite since your average xp is so low

Seems like a waste of time since not everyone would just boost to the cap anyways

[analog salmon]

still if it makes people stop farming kills faster so people who actually wanna play the game can 🤷‍♀️

satisfaction from farming XP is so funny to me

[crystal iron]

Then they should fix the grifball stuff first

[analog salmon]

reminds me of people paying for level 50 accounts in halo 3

or karma farming on reddit

[crystal iron]

Also why can your teammates kill you in grifball

[analog salmon]

one day you'll probably realise life is too dang short to be staring at a screen making a number go up

[crystal iron]

True but at least it’ll be for a game you enjoyed and built memories on

Same deal with the level 50 in halo 3

[analog salmon]

my memories wont be farming kills that's for sure

[crystal iron]

Lol

[fickle rune]

My memories will be getting spawn camped with hammers and rpgs

[silk comet]

does any one know what kind of curve is used for the mouse accel in infinite? I want to be able to replicate it for other games with rawaccel, the guys at rawaccel say they dont know the curve and looking for it doesnt really show much

[wanton blaze]

just finished halo 4 on heroic and tbh for me it's still a good game

[celest heron]

yeah, most people probly thought the campaign was decent.

[scarlet shuttle]

I read through the whole conversation and you ignored the main point. Spawn Killing is fine in Husky Raid, what is not fine is deliberately withholding the opponent’s flag just to drag the game for longer then it should. It is not normal if it pushes players to quit a game.

[scarlet shuttle]

It is popular because the action is on 100% of the time, no dead time. And it forces you to play with team mate, want it or not. You are never getting in miserable loops of 1 vs 4, it’s always 4 vs 4 none stop.

It fits pretty well matchmaking with randoms.

You don’t need much communication in this game mode.

[sturdy kernel]

Legendary difficulty is waiting you

[scarlet shuttle]

There is a reason in games like Chess, there are rules like the Threefold Repetition. No one want to make other lose their time.

[sturdy kernel]

Looks like I'm sooner or later going to hell with those jackals, grunts and elites on Halo CE legendary difficulty because I spoke so many bad words

[sturdy kernel]

So annoying to fight with them

[wanton blaze]

ye i will try

i used to play halo 4 on a xbox 360 years ago and i loved it

I'm not saying that I don't like it now.

[finite prawn]

use plasma pistol

human nades for most jackals

pistol headshot grunts

[celest heron]

rocket flood are waiting

[crystal iron]

I'm playing halo reach. I can't stop getting lost and failing to see what is the objective and where to go. I mean, I've just finished Gears of War 1 to 4 and Halo feels so simple. The art, storytelling, the direction.

[tulip tusk]

are servers ok?

[jade pebble]

Surprised youre getting lost on reach. You should try halo 1. That was a mess in terms of telling you where to go

[high raft]

I seriously can't remember how often my 9 year old butt got lost in CE in the Halo and Cartographer missions back in the days LMAO

[jade pebble]

I still get lost sometimes that game is something

[celest heron]

what are you stuck on?

[crystal iron]

Already got to the point of deactivating the forcefield

the outdoor terrain has two roads to reach the construction, but they loop and cause me to walk in circles

[celest heron]

the sword base mission or tip of the spear?

[crystal iron]

finished tip of the spear

this game is very short compared to Gears

[celest heron]

reach is one of the shorter games.

what difficulty are you playing on?

the space battle will require a different strat if you're playing on a higher difficulty in the next mission.

[sturdy kernel]

Yea I know
Plasma pistol is damn OP

[sturdy kernel]

At least I can kill Flood soldiers in one shot with energy sword

[celest heron]

you can't use the sword in ce

[sturdy kernel]

Wish me luck then with the battle of Flood soldiers lol

I totally forgot about that

[crystal iron]

I think I've found out why I get lost in reach. If you follow the NPCs and enemies you are fine. The problem is that if you explore, trying to find secrets that the game just doesn't have, then you'll get lost

[crystal iron]

normal

[slim flint]

first time playing?

[crystal iron]

yes

I'm in level 9 now

[sturdy kernel]

These Forerunners should be given a Darwin Award for sealing the Flood at Installation 04(Halo CE)

[analog salmon]

they pretty much did get a Darwin Award

[zealous panther]

The biggest one at that.

[obsidian sandal]

New comer here how is everyone

[frosty condor]

[sturdy kernel]

Oh yeah
Halo CE Legendary difficulty are done

[stoic canopy]

TBF the Forerunners didn't know what the Didact or Humanity did, so they didn't know the Flood could mess stuff up like that.

[zealous panther]

your combination of pfp and discord border(or how this thing called) is probably the best i ever seen

[frosty condor]

Aww shucks, you’re making me blush

[spare finch]

is there a way to get horrible enemies and horrible teammates in a round without smurfing

because sweats as enemies just ruin my grind

[white birch]

Play Firefight

[shadow turret]

firefight and music is quite good sometimes

[spare finch]

i'd rather get the score booster (it would double the firefight score), and besides me consistently getting the same amount I would in firefight with 2 rounds of btb

[shadow turret]

Heroic gives a score boost

[spare finch]

dumb teammates though (they die too much)

it is kinda funny to see though

[shadow turret]

dunno then
I do Firefight or Fiesta and its carried me to Onyx, so

[spare finch]

also is there a way to make it easier to see the radar, it's so tiny lol

on xbox that is

[shadow turret]

There's no way to make it bigger, but there's a way to move your HUD closer to centre

Horizontal/Vertical display margin in Gameplay settings

[spare finch]

going into br75 endless to see the hud

[analog salmon]

increasing the side margins a bit helps

but it also moves the medals closer to your reticle which is annoying

[obsidian sandal]

Aw

[crystal iron]

how do I survive in halo 2 legendary? I can't get past the first part of the game

[celest heron]

use cover, nades and the plasma pistol. you'll probly die a lot if it's your first play through.

[silk flare]

It my Birthday today am 35

[pastel arch]

I have a friend that we are playing through the series on Legendary, which helps for the other games but I found for Halo 2 it was too frustrating since it's the one game if either player dies you go back to the last checkpoint. I toughed through it by myself with lots and lots of respawns, learning the tricky encounters as I went.

Occasionally I looked at guides if I was really stuck. If you want to make it easier on yourself I would definitely watch guides for each mission. If you want to employ skips there are speedrunning tricks too that can get past a lot of encounters. This is especially useful in the second level and Regret as you can skip much of the pain of sniper Jackal instant death.

If you are just on the first level then you have experienced that special torture yet. 😝

[deft thorn]

Did anyone just get disconnected from Halo Infinite's multiplayer? It appears to be offline on my end

Nevermind, it's working now

[tulip tusk]

Yeah it's been on/off for around 20mins

[finite prawn]

which part

if its quite literally the first part. stay on top above the door and drop down when the enemies go through the breached door and hug the right wall so you become unnoticed. then melee the grunt and pick up his plasma pistol so you have a pp and a battle rifle

[crystal iron]

I gave up in the part that you are on a bridge with lots of grenades to pick up

Whoever wrote Halo 2 was awesome. The story, the characters.

The voice actors are also awesome

playing on normal and I can pick up a fight face to face

[ruby knoll]

yeah halo 2's story is pretty neat

[slim flint]

my favorite story in the franchise

the cliffhanger isn’t nearly as bad as people say

[finite prawn]

best story by far imo with H4 coming in close and every other is a huge gap

[rain horizon]

Halo 4 was good. It added some stuff like forerunner lore and ancient humans that definitely doesn't look like Native Americans

[celest heron]

ahh, I like seeing first timers do legendary, but probly better to start lower to figure it out.

[jade pebble]

Halo 4 had a good story but I think infinite takes the cake in terms of writing. its so much funnier and deeper at the same time. if we only talk Arbiters story in Halo 2 I think its the best one of the franchise. idk how they landed on telling a story about him but it was brilliant and was a pivotal moment for the lore as a whole

[rain horizon]

Yeah but it's emptier. Like Halo 4 and 5 have funnier dialogue

In Halo 5 there is a 10 minute long rambling of an Unggoy

Talking to an elite

[civic sundial]

That's idle dialogue, not story though

Like, that Grunt has no baring on the story and exists to be something funny the player finds

[analog salmon]

4 5 and infinite all have ups and downs in the writing for me

but Infinite's plot has me hooked far moreso then 4 and 5's

[jade pebble]

something infinite is lacking is a non hostile grunt that just chats

feel like that shoulve been a staple thing since 3

[stoic latch]

Man 4 was great tho. Introduced stuff like Lady forerunner and infinity

[stoic latch]

yeah imagine some friendly SoS grunt served on the infinity

or heck even the marines, they had funny dialogue and actions like sweeping floors in the last games

sad that infinite is so baseline.... like the promised DLCs right? like where are the side missions, new characters, new villians and stuff

[civic sundial]

While not a member of the SOS, Yabda was on the Infinity

[civic sundial]

I don't remember campaign DLC being promised

[stoic latch]

didn't they say it was gonna be live service tho

[stoic latch]

aw man a friendly grunt? thats so cool. I hope he's still alive and has a UNSC uniform

[open umbra]

Glibnub and Yabda, the two grunts doing broadcast.

[stoic latch]

except only one is based

[celest heron]

I think h2 would've had a lot more easter eggs with grunts for example if it wasn't crunched.

[crystal iron]

the sad thing about halo 2 is the development. Some CEO didn't think about a healthy development cycle. According to the wikipedia's article

[fallen flame]

This was all community that hyped that up 343 never said anything about DLC lmao

[tulip tusk]

They never promised campaign dlc or even really talked about it. It was just community ideas. Would be cool but i don't think it will ever happen

Maybe with the next Halo title. It is being worked on after all!

I'm totally guessing but with how infinite has had so many weird ui and update issues since its inception, it feels like it is a difficult game to work on. Idk. Maybe the next title will be built on some system that's more streamlined or readily understood as they say. I don't know though

Still a fun game and forge is super good

[zealous panther]

At first I liked infinite campaign, but now not so much. It is just... It needs more biomes, more mission structure and kiss this kind of open world. I collected everything and I kinda not satisfied with it. Gameplay is perfect tho

[tulip tusk]

yeah i always like snow biomes, even in forge there might be some player appeal or attraction to snow maps, perhaps since they are absent in campaign

[fiery pewter]

Quick question, from this operation onward, will the weekly reward just be scrap points for the exchange?

Or will they put stuff like before once in a while?

[celest heron]

I think it would have more biomes if it had dlc.

[shadow turret]

its always gonna be Spartan Points from now on
I believe they said that during the community devstream for Banished Honor
Dunno about the challenge, but its presumably always gonna be 5k score from here on out too

[agile lodge]

Halo 3 was originally gonna have that idea

[jade pebble]

I mean it did have that idea

[sturdy kernel]

That Gravemind from Halo 2 reminds me Overmind from StarCraft, and so badass

[celest heron]

did you watch his cutscene in original or anny graphics?

[sturdy kernel]

Some kind of photos and video

[misty silo]

What happened to Super Fiesta? Played roughly 15 matches and all are regular fiesta

[sullen owl]

It's super because you're playing it, champ!

[shadow turret]

its random between them, but normal sometimes feels more weighted for some reason

[misty silo]

Ahh okay that makes sense. Hope I get super soon I like it more than regular

[celest heron]

oh, thought you played it in the game.

[sturdy kernel]

I only play StarCraft 2
Don't judge me😂😂

[slim flint]

I always thought super was more weighted

[shadow turret]

dunno tbh
it feels like it goes back and forth

[spare onyx]

Hoping someone can help me

I have master chief collection, don’t get to play very often; having trouble trying to pick up where I left off…

I had finished “Halo: CE Anniversary”, had done first four “missions” of “Halo 2: Anniversary”, but it doesn’t SEEM to have a “pick up where you left off” button

Is this normal? It -does- show that I have “4/15 completed” for “Halo 2: Anniversary”. So do I need to just … begin with mission 5? Or what?

[radiant sundial]

What buttons does it have?

[hasty root]

I think it only saves checkpoints, not the exact spot you last saved.

[spare onyx]

I don’t even see checkpoints

[radiant sundial]

What buttons does it have? Can you dm me a screenshot of what it looked like when you were in the menu for h2?

[spare finch]

How the hell did I get in a match with sweaty bronze players in team duos

I swear this is caused by survive the undead

Literally made me matchmake against sweats

[celest heron]

I think there's a resume button unless you're playing individual missions.

[crystal iron]

so the green plasma does nothing to the white elites

those big guys with shields are very hard, unless you use sniper

[sand helm]

sword elites are scary

[celest heron]

are you overcharging the plasma? it should stun them for a brief moment.

[crystal iron]

when halo 2 came out. Did they include a paper manual describing the enemies and weapons?

[magic night]

Yes

[celest heron]

I still have mine

[finite prawn]

overcharge it

[finite prawn]

hunters on which lvl?

[tulip tusk]

yea i remember having a pretty thick Halo 2 info book, i think it had stuf on the weapons and some art

[glacial tartan]

I still have the strategy guides for the early games, what an awesome time

[analog salmon]

ranked doubles being a rotational makes so little sense

idk why they're waiting on a match composer to add it permanently

rotating Snipers and SWAT is understandable and not really a big deal only being able to play one or the other

but juggling three sporadic ranked playlists has just killed my interest in playing any of them

you can't invest the time to rank up unless you play a ton

if anything why not rotate Team Doubles and Ranked Doubles? then there's always a Doubles playlist and Ranked players can actually reach a rank that feels rewarding

pretty sure having such a long rotation time for ranked playlists is killing them moreso then having 3 ranked playlists at a time

so the whole rational for rotating them is pretty much flawed

[karmic shoal]

this new zombies mode is busted, just got 10,500 career xp in a single game

[crystal iron]

It’s a horrible game type

[crystal iron]

How, do tell

[north remnant]

who did the campaign of halo ce i really need to know how to pass this im supposed to find a mechanism like control panel or switch just help me.

[tulip tusk]

What level

[wooden briar]

Look up an online or YouTube walkthrough: there are many helpful resources.

[analog salmon]

weapon requires recoil control and shot pacing
noob weapon

[smoky wave]

That's sounds skill issue

[river minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[neon vapor]

Something I noticed recently is that on Spotify the halo 4 track “green and blue” has text that says “When that warriors dead in this war…I hace say to theirs family’s ‘he dead un the war zone’ ‘she lost un war’ ‘im sorry’” not sure if there’s any significance or if it’s from anything but a neat detail, pretty sure it’s the only track that has something like that.

[onyx latch]

What

[river minnow]

I think they added lyrics to that soundtrack on spotify

maybe on YouTube too, I know some songs do it even with nothing said

[neon vapor]

Huh

[river minnow]

guess not lol

[paper estuary]

Then I’ll work on how to deal with it

Just like shooting profanity at Escharum

[glossy umbra]

Rough

Are you controller?

[paper estuary]

Calcine Disrupter works wonders for me.

[crystal iron]

Did I just play an oudated version of Halo MCC? The final boss in Halo 2 didn't have some of the dialogue I saw in youtube

[crystal iron]

found out that the dialogues are just playing too muffled

[crystal iron]

and the missing subtitles

the dialogues that happen during game are all missing subtitles

[finite prawn]

youve been asking this for like a week

[finite prawn]

if its the 2nd level its to the right if you need to bring up the bridge

also youtube

[crystal iron]

the on the flye change to original graphics doesn't work either

[sturdy kernel]

I sent you a video walkthrough, you maybe missed

[sturdy kernel]

https://youtu.be/KevvNtOuEFo?si=w_dqv3-58MaTOEUP&t=2530

Halo CE

[vale swallow]

We should be able to build weapons in forge. I know what I'd build. The halo 2 e3 battle rifle.

[celest heron]

some of it doesn't show if it's more rare. are you playing in english?

[celest heron]

it should unless you've encountered a bug.

[crystal iron]

yes, in english

are they going to make the arbiter playable again? They just abandoned him after Halo 2

[onyx latch]

No lmao

[civic sundial]

Honestly, let us have someone else be the playable Elite in a campaign if they decide they want to do it in the next game

Like I love Arby but he's kinda got his own thing going on preventing him

[crystal iron]

I just finished Halo 2 and it's a lot better than 1. They improved in multiple ways. But I think they went for a game that wasn't possible with the xbox hardware. Too big for that era.

compare it to RTCW, Doom 3, Unreal.

[civic sundial]

Actually true, Bungie had to cut allot from Halo 2 due to getting too ambitious, hardware limitations of the time and running out of time to finish it

[crystal iron]

Is Survive the undead going to stay?

[rugged quartz]

it will go away for a bit as its in workshop[

[crystal iron]

Damn they should keep it as a permenant thing!

I like these pve survival modes!

Will it come back?

[jade pebble]

theyll continue working on it

and if its good in the end itll stay I imagine

[vale swallow]

I'm ngl, survive the dead got boring within days. But, the initial excitement was very good.

[onyx latch]

I hope they expand the idea.

[rugged quartz]

Yes. Workshops are sort of test playlists

You need to learn how to play it to get it going and its fun when you do

[onyx latch]

I left a few paragraphs of feedback tbh

[jade pebble]

certainly improvements to be made

to an extent I feel like the mode is limited by the fact that its entirely made in forge

just some things the game doesnt let you do

[onyx latch]

Yeah, I framed it as 'great idea, but you should improve the game making systems to help people expand on this idea because it helps in other customs'

[crystal iron]

was it itentional to left the end of halo 3 open for more sequels? the troubled development of halo 2 seemed to made a lot of ppl just quit

[jade pebble]

I think bungie wanted it to be left there

[heavy edge]

Unpopular opinion but I kinda want Halo to have a reboot and retold every main conflict since the start of the war

Retell the main Halo games and make all the battles bigger and more epic

Add more species to the covenant or maybe another faction to add some interesting variables in the story

[onyx latch]

It's unpopular because it's a really bad idea.

[heavy edge]

How so

Halo needs some revitalizing

Going back to start is a way to do that

[crystal iron]

I heard that the ending of infinite adds time travel to the universe

[fallen flame]

Like trench said real bad idea

[crystal iron]

so there is a 350 pages book that explains what happens between Halo Ce and Halo 2

[spare finch]

I don’t get the point of it, everything is explained in the opening cutscene of Halo 2

[crystal iron]

I played Halo 2 without knowing how the heck the propeth of Truth knew the location of Earth. I played Reach before 2 and in Reach they tell that the Covenant cannot know the location of Earth.

[wooden briar]

So in seriousness, you may enjoy the Halo TV show: it's essentially a retelling of the story so it's like your framework of having the same events reconstructed in an alternate way. Season 2 especially really gets rocking.

[heavy edge]

Yeah that show is something

Not exactly the kind of retelling I want

[spare finch]

• Thel Vadam gets stripped of his rank
• Chief gets an armor upgrade after arriving at the UNSC ship due to damage
• The covenant invades said ship and locates Earth

[heavy edge]

I want a more militarized Halo rather than scifi

[crystal iron]

I'd want friendly fire to be off in Halo

very often I confused allies with enemies because friendly fire is on

[finite prawn]

you benefit a lot from killing some them anyways 🫠

[shadow turret]

it only is in the older games
unless you're doing Ranked in Infinite

[crystal iron]

when I've found Johnson riding in circles in Halo 2 I didn't know that was a scripted thing. I just watched him running on circles and "WTF is he doing?"

[spare finch]

What the hell is with the smurfs today, they’re ruining my grinding session

I can’t get to the next diamond rank without them showing up and ruining everything

[crystal iron]

Dear God the social medias are crazy today, some guy posted That 343 should kill off all Spartan 4's and bring back ODST, like dude the ODST became alot of the Spartan4's.

Which made sense, the ODST were already pretty elite in their own rights.

To become an ODST wasn't some walk on type of thing. At this point unless they do a full retcon, or magically invent a newer Spartan generation, I don't know what they can really do about this whole Spartan 4 hate.

I don't even understand where it comes from honestly.

Is it like a fragile ego thing?

[gritty osprey]

Why did 343 add cat ears

[gritty osprey]

Facts

[crystal iron]

Probably because they new it would sell,

Halo Infinite was is a Live Service game so I already went in with the mentality that they were going to do stuff like that because they just need to generate that Weekly profits through a Microtransactions store

[ashen atlas]

Well, it's because 4 isn't as powerful as the numbers 2 and 3

It sits next to 6 in the D tier

[crystal iron]

I do wonder about that, these are fictional characters so 343 decided to make them weaker or appear weaker I wonder why because they could have made them stronger if they wanted too.

It really feels like they went into trying to sabotage their image

[ashen atlas]

I was joking, I was just listing numbers in of themselves

I imagine people don't like them mostly because Spartans aren't as rare as they once were

[crystal iron]

I guess, Though from a logical standpoint it makes sense that after the failure of the 1s, the Illegal and high death rate of the 2' the mass produce but disposableneess of the 3's that the 4's are the most logical endpoint of the intended results of the Spartan program

They are Ethically conscripted from existing ranks mostly from ODST which also makes sense since before the Spartans that was like the special forces of the UNSC

[ashen atlas]

I would agree. I would even go further and say the end goal is to be able to augment every human

[crystal iron]

Yes and that sort of hints towards Halsey saying the Spartans are humanities next step in evolution

[agile lodge]

ODSTs roles are significantly trimmed down

They don’t play a major role anymore

[crystal iron]

The thing is people will always clutch their pearls at the fact that there is a possibility that the Spartan 2's were the best and no one can beat them..

But if the story were to continue as it seems they want it too, there has to come a time when the old guard is eventually replaced. But the issue too is You have fans who under non circumstances can accept that anything new can perform at or above the level that their favorite characters could

So then what happens is a typical trope in movies, where you make the new characters look feable or purposely dumbed down, or nerfed so they don't outshine the old characters

For example people hate on palmer which to me feels unnecessary,they say her initial interaction with chief was dumb, but I'm like Just seems like typical banter amongst soldiers

343 does have some Criticism that they deserve but I think they get pointless attacked on things that makes them do u turns on stuff that would actually progress the story in a better way.

I was a bit disappointed they did not continue with their plans for the whole Halo Infinite academy storyline.

I enjoyed Spartan ops, so having a story revolving around our character again felt nice, but They just said Nevermind and ended that plan.
I wonder what their endgame goal was with that

[drifting gazelle]

I think the mental aspect plays more into it now on 2s vs 4s. Halo 4s ending showed this and just lore dev. of 2s is crazy. Obviously they get nurfed in the games to make it "playable". I don't read the books but its hard to imagine from the crazy stuff for say chief does in them for someone to match that. You're also right about 343 but every time they "learn" they take a step back in a different part of the game. At this point having 5 main games in there is not an excuse for a bad game or missing a 1/3 of the game weather its story, multiplayer or just trying to force their own reworks down peoples throats. I think spartan ops ended because of the comics were easier to pump out. Look at black team and the didact

[ashen atlas]

I can see that. And it's not even like they need to be overall better, just a different purpose. The previous generations were made to just function in war since humanity was in a really desperate situation with a rebellion that was gonna tear humanity in half and then the covenant. And while some could transfer to civilian life, I would bet most couldn't. While the 4s can function in war time and peace. Which you could argue is more beneficial that they could function during peace

At least the majority

[drifting gazelle]

343 is either just lazy and falls into the cod/battlefield did this so its okay or they just don't care and that falls to supervisors or Microsoft's fault. There's no reason for each mainline game to have 1/3 of the game to be near unplayable. Then again that's the thing of delays too. was it odst or halo wars 1 that was delayed and both are great games. Plus look how different each game is. Im not saying you cant chnage the game but you have to pick a line to ride on

[crystal iron]

If they do make another game I will still be on the fence with it until like 4 weeks after initial release. Once the honeymoon stage is over that's when you see how the game stacks up

[crystal iron]

One big problem that's today's issue is Video games today cost a lot to develop, this that's overhead cost that Publishers want to cash in on as soon as possible. So you have this rug of war between developers, who are essentially game artist creating this world, with a story and characters, meanwhile the money end of things is Slowly pushing them to the loft off point of "release dates" so they can start cashing in on their product. Great things usually take time, but time is money.

And this is controversial but the whole AI in gaming, if done right could help with streamlining things without sacrificing Quality.

And although people hate on the whole AI thing, I think Pandora's Box has been opened on that a long time ago, so at this point it's just the horse garage guy being upset that Motor vehicles are a thing now. It's inevitable at this point. But it's going to have some early on. Growing pains that for sure

[drifting gazelle]

Yeah but you have the excuse of live updates fixing things and people accept it

look at battlefield and 343s track record of halos.

if they copy and pasted a halo it would be more accepting but each game plays so different. Its like the creative team just tosses ideas at the wall and hopes they stick or its "it worked well for this game lets do it"

[ashen atlas]

I agree on AI. It's really inevitable. Humans will always look to improve technology, because technology makes our lives easier. I won't dig too deep on that topic because there is a lot to unpack with that one

And with technological improvements people will always push back. But I'd rather not say which i think is in the right or wrong

[crystal iron]

I do think that comes down to the old management,Hubris and the money side of this works.

The people who cut checks are in the back pushing things, while the development teams are simply just trying to wice things together with the rooms they have.

From what I have read, internally there was a lot of disconnects between the development teams aka the nuts and bolts of the whole thing and the managers, not to mention resource for each team along with communication was poorly handled. That comes down to the team managers and top managers.

A lot of conflicting end goals essentially. And that's for the entirety of Halo 4-halo Infinite.

It does seem like old management had soft ego's. And that sort of screwed up things on one aspect... Than you have the money coming in saying We need this out now so we can start making a return.

and the developers say it's not finished we can't ship it.. the money side comes back with we can just fix it in post launch... And management just yes mans it and if suggestions are brought up they get scoffed at, because only they can make great ideas

At this point, we have enough info shown to use to know it's not 343 as a whole, like we are able to Nealry pinpoint each area of Problems with each game now.

[drifting gazelle]

well its not going to chnage until the public acutally challenges 343 on it with microsoft and forces them to chnage it. Mirocsoft was deep into the first three. maybe this playstation reach out if it does happen will be good for halo. I have even read they are trying to pay old halo devs to come back and help out and fix the series.

[crystal iron]

I do think a lot of soft ego and Hubris played a significant portion in each games failure.
Add in Crunch times, Small timelines, and Just ship it and we can fix it Post dev being pushed from the money side of things, it shows how each game was nearly set up to fail

[crystal iron]

Unless they give them the space and time to breath and developed, it will all be for nothing

Basically breathing down their necks saying is it finished yet will simply just result in the same.issues

[rain horizon]

The main criticism is well.... 4s are basically ODSTs in fancy armor

[crystal iron]

One thing too is We can challenge 343 all we want, it the truth is there is nothing out there that fills the Halo Genre in of itself, so whatever they decide to offer us, people will still pre order it, it will get hyped, and it will sell.

I mean look at Pokemon that brand has gotten so stale and uncreative but people will publicly admit the games have been pretty bad but will proudly say they will still buy the next one...

[rain horizon]

It would've been better if the 4s were war orphans like the 3s

[drifting gazelle]

look at helldivers people challanged it and it changed

[ashen atlas]

That was a different situation

[drifting gazelle]

people are conditioned to broken games and accept that its okay. Just as people did when games went to $70. Just as they will when GTA 6 cost whatever its going to or goes to the rumored pay per hour. Its going to set new "acceptable" behaviors. Its like a child if you let them do things over and over they will keep on.

[crystal iron]

Helldiver's was rarely new, at this point Halo is so established into things that it's following will challenge it, after they already bought the product and consumed it for a few hours.

At that point challenging it won't do too much, and Not every Game studio responds exactly the same to criticism or challenges, again it seems old 343 mangagement was filled with Fragile egos and Hubris driven leaders. So they took criticism way to personal and almost felt like doing the opposite to purposely piss off people

[drifting gazelle]

dosent matter they challenged big gaming and got their way

[rain horizon]

Never underestimate the power of social media boycott

[drifting gazelle]

well look at infinite they got pissy about people playing MCC and changed the game and cut support

[drifting gazelle]

people quit buying mcdonlds and now look we have $5 meals again

[ashen atlas]

Yeah, but that won't happen to halo because the only thing you could complain about is whether or not you like the gameplay/story. People review bombed helldivers in mass was because they kind of lied or at least their publisher did

People aren't gonna unite like that unless it is something to that degree

[drifting gazelle]

same thing happened for 5s story and look we got chief back

thats another reason why MCC got cut support no cash grabs besides for each game.

[rain horizon]

I'm just saying Helldivers got defacted on by everyone and they reversed the PSN requirement

[drifting gazelle]

we got MC back after Halo 5

[rain horizon]

Master Chief has been in all three 343 games?

[drifting gazelle]

in halo 5 he had 3 missions or so out of 15

[rain horizon]

The only one is Lasky they removed him in infinite

[drifting gazelle]

they tried to do a halo 2 but didnt balance the teams out

or what Capcom did to resident evil 6

theres never a balance with 343. who ever is over creative design wants to force their "idea" of halo and shape in into a resume booster thats why all mainline games are so different or we get reskins of weapons such as the bandit or infinites shot gun. People stood up against the rockets and now look they are back to normal

[rain horizon]

I like the mini missile launcher

[crystal iron]

From what I noticed old 343 did respond to the backlash and corrected things but in a way they over corrected and sometimes cut things that did work. Like I didn't mind the AI teammates things, possibly not for the Main like story but it could have worked for a Spartan ops type side story like they were doing with the academy. Before that got nipped.

I'm not holding it to much excitement for the next game, granted I already predict the game is going to sell out in pre orders regardless of how good/ bad it may look.

Halo is basically the Apple of gaming no matter what people will always buy it. And after the money has been taken people will then complain and not much will change and we will all be in here again with our criticisms

[ashen atlas]

They could have been gauging fan reaction as to how they should go about the direction of the story, i wouldnt really call that a review bomb

What happened to helldivers had them offering refunds despite playtime. I really haven't seen anything like that

[rain horizon]

Depends on the story... Infinites story wasn't that bad

[ashen atlas]

I am not sure what the majority opinion on infinite's story was or is

[drifting gazelle]

well

wasnt a large chunk of the story cut just before launch

they did not even remove all the files I do know that

[rain horizon]

What was it

[crystal iron]

I'm just waiting for us Xboc folks to get mods for Starfield sonincan play that as the Master chief Spartan armor from Halo Infinite

[ruby knoll]

it seems old 343 management was blah blah blah

ah yes, baseless speculation hour. my favorite

[plucky saffron]

I was contemplating splurging a bit on the shop. anyone got any bundles they can think of that are just too dope to pass up on? I bought the mk v chief one

[ruby knoll]

more like social media tantrums

[ruby knoll]

"people STOOD UP against the h5 rocket launcher"

what an incredibly embarrassing statement honestly

[tulip tusk]

I like the helldivers community seems like they're having fun

[ruby knoll]

ehhh

[onyx latch]

Gamers took a stand, AC, you should be proud.

[ruby knoll]

so true.... braver than the troops......

they cried and whined for a few days on social media and harassed developers. heartwarming

[onyx latch]

Marines salute them when they walk by

[crystal iron]

Yea they really are just enjoying the madness of that game. It's crazy how united they were though.

[onyx latch]

I watched a World War II veteran actually get up out of his deathbed and salute the brave defenders of the Halo SPNKr

[ruby knoll]

god bless

[onyx latch]

o7

[ruby knoll]

wasn't the spnkr in h5 anyways

[onyx latch]

Yes. He's saying that BRAVE FANS SHOUTED AT 343 UNTIL THEY RELENTED AND ADDED THE SPNKr.

[ruby knoll]

true...

[onyx latch]

Which, tbf, is kinda what happened.

I mean, to be proud of it is stupid. I liked the Pilum's design but I disagreed with its implementation.

[crystal iron]

My friend let me play a round on his PlayStation, it was pretty fun, he was t joking though when he said the pilots dropping the airstrikes have pretty bad aim lol.

[ruby knoll]

pilum my beloved

[onyx latch]

(I feel it should've been a lighter and higher velocity rocket that favors direct hits and firing rate over splash damage)

[ruby knoll]

it should have gotten stronger with each kill

[crystal iron]

Is there an event going on, I haven't really played since the week they rewarded us with Vannicks helmet

[tulip tusk]

There's a thing where you can earn a pretty cool banished style helmet I'm using it

[crystal iron]

Ah ok, yea no not a fan of those helmets,

I was wondering because I have some free time this weekend and was going to see if I should jump in, but I think I'll stick to my plans if stealing more items to use for decorations for my Penthouse in Starfeild..

I have three bookshelves to fill, but they have a huge opening that needs to be decorated with something large

[tulip tusk]

The promotion pic doesn't do it justice it looks ugly with those colors lol but is nice n golden with the mental health awareness colors

[stoic latch]

i hate the banished style armor

[tiny sinew]

why does it look like cartoon children armour

[onyx latch]

Because it's painted to look like it with that coating.

[tiny sinew]

oh

[onyx latch]

Eh, if nothing else, the pass gets you the free currency to buy cosmetics you missed out on or new ones that are also free (with the currency)

I hate Banished Spartans, but the free currency and chestplate were nice.

[crystal iron]

playing halo 3 on legendary. IT's very hard, but not impossible like halo 2.

[onyx latch]

My Spartan's not Banished themed, she's desert scavenger themed

And I use the chest and wristguard

[crystal iron]

already died 50x to get to the point of rescuing johnson

[crystal iron]

I really only started ton uy stuff when the MK4 came out, before that I wasn't really too keen on the stuff.

If they bring more MK4 stuff I might try it out.

[onyx latch]

As much as I loathe Mark IV, I do like some of the helmets it came with.

[onyx latch]

You'll likely see more Mark IV with the Surplus event, which has shoulders and a helmet.

That's the month after next, July.

[crystal iron]

now that I played Reach, H1, H2. I think that MC is MS's superhero. To crashland on Earth and survive this. It's almost superman.

[crystal iron]

I'll keep an eye on that then thank you

[crystal iron]

why the mouse's scroll doesn't swap weapons as in most games?

[stoic latch]

it does?? it's the lack of changing weapons using numbers is that confuses me

most FPS games 1 and 2 is switching between secondary and primary

[ruby lake]

honk honk

[ruby knoll]

vintage jelly

[karmic shoal]

gambling on the pack a punch machine and max perks

basically get the pulse carbine with the convergence bulldog trait, then the heatwave with the purging shock rifle trait

[crystal iron]

Interesting

[karmic shoal]

that and either have really good teammates or be good on ur own

[crystal iron]

I played last night and got up to the wave with escharum

[karmic shoal]

i kept playing until i had five or six skulls on

[crystal iron]

I’ll keep that in mind though, thanks

[civic sundial]

Ok, genuine question, what's your thoughts on a Swords of Sanghelios themed Spartan?

[analog salmon]

Honestly Spartan defecting makes no sense

Its just kinda cool theme

[civic sundial]

I was thinking more along the lines of a Spartan who is kinda on loan to the Swords of Sanghelios opposed to defecting

[rain horizon]

There's no defection the SoS are allies

Vale was stationed on Sanghelios

But she kept her red armor

[analog salmon]

Maybe I’m misremembering but I don’t think they are allies

[stoic latch]

i guess you are misremembering

[analog salmon]

I got the impression there was still a lot of distrust

[stoic latch]

there is

but Arbiter and the UNSC are sleeping together now

[analog salmon]

UNSC should trust nobody

Smh

I don’t like the cliche of the good guys now get along and never fight again