halo-discussion

[analog salmon]

So I'd go NTSC CE > CEA > PAL CE

[inland minnow]

i think cea is a good compromise, you can switch between the graphic modes at will. og ce is nice to have but in my experience its hard to find and relatively expensive

[frosty condor]

^

[celest heron]

just watch a laso guide. those missions are easier with a few tricks.

warzone is probly still popular

[ruby lake]

i kinda want the warzone gamemode to return in infinite

and with the crazy weapons too

[civic sundial]

Are you including the Promethean weapons in that?

[ruby knoll]

yes

[ruby knoll]

i need promethean weapons back

[zealous panther]

watching championship sunday rn... and i feel bad about how players don't even trying to take br... bandit evo matches became so boring to watch...

feels like there is no actual sandbox. Occasional stalker or bulldog and that's it basically.

[celest heron]

there were people who said that with br starts even before this game.

[zealous panther]

yeah, you right i guess. It is just... boring to watch when start weapons basically a way to go weapon.

not like this is something new but still

[agile lodge]

What’s the difference with the Halo CE Xbox 360 port (not CEA, the XB marketplace port)

Was thinking about getting it just cause

[ashen atlas]

I don't think there is any difference

[analog salmon]

Yeah it’s not a port, it’s just a digital version of the OG title

Only widescreen games got a 720p upgrade on 360 iirc

[keen lark]

I could find matches in Warzone firefight and fiesta but nothing else

[ruby lake]

Yes.

I am not afraid to use them again.

[civic sundial]

Good

[chrome valve]

What is the best halo 4

[ruby lake]

huh

[hard cape]

Hello, just curiosu is the halo MCC campain co op between xbox game pass and steam?

[tulip tusk]

yeah would be fine if both on PC. game pass/store version can be played on PC so both will be on pc platform that way. crossplay would be xbox console and pc together, im not sure what works for that, maybe just halo 3

but online co op on the old games often has lots of lag or delay that makes in unplayable, try it out still but may not work well

[hard cape]

It seem that the HALO MCC campain for game pass and steam isn't crossplay from what's happening to me.

Also since I have it installed on steam, can I just direct the folder to the game pass app and it'll automaticalled be installed on game pass?

[radiant sundial]

Which one

H3 ODST and Halo 3 are the only campaigns that are cross play

[hard cape]

Me and my friend were trying to play the first one.

[radiant sundial]

Which is the first one

Ima need a game title here

[hard cape]

Halo: Combat evolved

[radiant sundial]

Ce's campaign isnt crossplay

[hard cape]

Dang.

[radiant sundial]

H3 and H3 ODST are the only ones with crossplay for the campaigns

[hard cape]

But if we play on the same platform like pc xbox game pass wee can play together right?

[tulip tusk]

unfortunately i think not

[hard cape]

wtf

So basically if we both play on pc game pass it won't work, if so that maakes zero sense.

[tulip tusk]

yes u should be able to, long as you're both friends

[hard cape]

Ok thank god

[tulip tusk]

it should work with steam and game pass also. just use xbox app and add friends/invite through that

[hard cape]

We tried.

[analog salmon]

Honestly how can a power weapon that takes as little skill as that needler have so much ammo

Genuinely think it’s justified just quitting every prism match

Absolutely miserable if you don’t have a team consistently playing for it

[tulip tusk]

strange. oh well. id ask ur friend to get steam version over you using gamepass or store, that way u both can get mods if u want. mcc mods are a plus

custom campaigns custom maps and custom modded normal campaigns, way more options w/ steam

[hard cape]

Oh yea for sure, sadly we don't have $40 to spare atm lol

[tulip tusk]

that stinks there was just a sale recently too. in late June for the steam summer sale mcc may be around $10

[topaz pier]

Corrosion map looks ugly ngl

[hard cape]

Ok, well for some reason it keeps saying
"Connection interrupted, your connection to the game session was interrupted."
And I have really good internet.

[vocal ivy]

I think infinite is down rn, can't log in either

Or it was just a bit ago, at least

[broken pond]

does anyone know how to get keyboard qand mouse to work in multiplayer matches in MCC it just shows me the mouse cursor and the keyboard does not respond??

[stoic canopy]

Confession: I've never figured out how to Banshee flip on PC

[broken pond]

ok good talk

[signal ivy]

#1075989764026675210

[wild drift]

I need the Compliance protocol sword in the exchange pls

[crystal iron]

Hello

[jagged furnace]

I'm writing a story with Master Chief in it but I don't know much about Halo. Could anyone tell me what he's like, and how I should write him?

[stoic latch]

his girlfriend is chat gpt

[jagged furnace]

I mean yeah, I know who Cortana is, but in all seriousness, could someone give me a rundown on how I should write Master chief and Cortana?

[stoic latch]

cortana is basically his girlfriend thats it

[lusty wraith]

who knows, he's stoic but occasionally witty, OR he's anti-social and straight-laced, OR he's depressed, OR he's vengeful and angry and constantly goes AWOL

[jagged furnace]

Well out of these various character interpretations, which would you recommend?

[stoic latch]

he's jealous of his show's counterpart having a real girlfriend

[jagged furnace]

And his show's counterpart is jealous off his everything else.

[stoic latch]

correct

[celest heron]

you'd get a better answer in #lore-and-universe

[lusty wraith]

I mean I prefer his Bungie iteration so not really sure how you'd write him

If anything stoic but ocasionally witty is the most pleasant imo

[finite prawn]

which game

[scarlet knoll]

does anyone want to play halo mcc i can only play halo ce and reach on it plan to install halo 3 later just dont have good internet

[hard surge]

Is there any explanation, why the Covenant stopped using Covenant corvettes after the Battle of the Reach?
I mean in lore way rather than the fact that HALO 1, 2 And 3 came out before the HALO: Reach 😄

[stoic latch]

im guessing the phased it out

the real qustion tho, is why purple?

ever wonder why the unggoys still with the covenant and banished. even though they are mistreated

[hard surge]

Probably just covenant design choice i really dont know. Maybe it has a Meaning.

[scarlet knoll]

does anyone still play halo reach invasion in the competative games area

[gray swan]

I dont think anyone play comp in mcc other than the h3 playlist and even that barely

[glacial tartan]

Not without organizing a team first.

[glacial tartan]

Kind of. H3 TS / H3 Doubles / CE Doubles you can find games. 343 would need to relax matchmaking requirements for Invasion/Hardcore/Squad Battle to be searchable

[stoic canopy]

Infinite

[open tinsel]

Does anyone know if 343 is still working on making more coatings cross core, or have they said they’re not doing that anymore?

[onyx latch]

They usually churn a few out every update so I doubt they'll be done for hot minute.

[crystal iron]

Moa Assault would be pretty neat to use on other cores.

[celest heron]

If they added rewards to the playlists again it would probly gain interest although I don't like that method.

[lusty wraith]

I think it’s left ctrl. Unlike MCC or the other PC games, the keybinds don’t really override or interact properly in Infinite

I submitted tickets about this multiple times but haven’t got any updates other than acknowledgement that it’s busted 🤷‍♂️

[agile lodge]

Imagine if we could pick our own color at launch so we wouldn’t have this problem

[onyx latch]

Whoops, wrong chat. I'd never agree with that take.

[agile lodge]

Of course you wouldn’t, you’d love to buy colors that you can’t even customize yourself

[open tinsel]

The issue with that is we couldn’t have textures or glowing armor though.

[agile lodge]

What good is a multi color coating system when you can’t customize any of it

[balmy wedge]

I think the armor with those kind of features is that they are few and far between. There are more coatings that are two colors than there are special coatings.

But most importantly... Why not have both? Coatings and colors separated, colors being what color something is, coatings being how it's laid out and what effects it has.
Of course, it's probably too late for that for Infinite, something that'd be much better for Halo: Infinite 2.

[onyx latch]

If my choices were Infinite or Halo 3's system, I'd take Infinite because it at least gave me what other Halo games never did. Doesn't mean there's not systems I'd prefer.

Old school Halo was archaic and should never be missed by anyone reasonable. Armored Core 6 and Anthem are the cosmetic color customization to beat.

[radiant sundial]

Ngl id take infinite too bc it besides halo 5, its the only game with something resembeling black for an armor coating

[balmy wedge]

You gotta separate these two takes, I agree and respect your second statement but am angry at the first and I don't wanna come across as solely a hater.
People also really love Doom 2016's system, and while it's robust, I think it's too overwhelming. Better than Infinite's, but honestly, Halo's always been about easy-accessibility to all players so I think something streamlined without stripping player expression is best. I think that's why coatings and colors should be present. People could just choose a cool shine, or people could go in-depth with different color combinations.

[agile lodge]

Oh so more limiting options, having to pay like 20 dollars for a color bundle

[onyx latch]

Damn, literacy really does filter people hard.

[agile lodge]

In the past games you had a lot of different color combinations

[onyx latch]

Oh, wow, but yet, nothing I actually wanted.

[agile lodge]

And so does your eyes I see, since you can’t see it

[agile lodge]

Then why not expand the colors? Why give worse system that feels more binary than the past games?

[onyx latch]

Hey, ping me when the old system gives me camo patterns.

[agile lodge]

Why should I need to pay 20 bucks for a color coating I want?

The silent snow and ultra white color coatings cost like 20 bucks

I can’t even have a simple white without forking money

That’s crazy you support a system like that and think it’s better when even Halo 3 had more options

[agile lodge]

Ping me when I can actually choose my own color for all 7 coating layers

[onyx latch]

k

[balmy wedge]

Probably a bad example since it was exclusive to armor options but both Halo 4 and 5 had armor with camouflage variants. They were restricted to certain pieces, but it still shows it's feasible to have different layouts and different colors.

[agile lodge]

Exactly why can’t we have that

[balmy wedge]

Unrelated but I love your spooky profile picture.

[agile lodge]

Why not different textures or something, DOOM 2016 has this, albeit free

Like why not copy that? I don’t understand

Thanks

There were also different “armor cores” you could mismatch together too

And you can even customize where you want to put patterns or decals on the armor I believe

Make it how glossy, worn, or rusty it looks

It’s been awhile since I played that game so I might be wrong on some parts but I remember the customization being really good, even for a tacked on multiplayer

[balmy wedge]

It is funny how many games have very robust systems nowadays and Infinite was content with something so restrictive . (And this is a statement in good faith, I do enjoy Infinite). Around every corner I hear someone bringing up a different modern game that did more than just color choices.

[balmy wedge]

It was insane, all that, as well as the pattern of each individual armor piece.

[knotty ermine]

is it against TOS if I were to put a website or youtube name on a map description?

like a clan website?

[balmy wedge]

I think what makes it worse is that coatings don't meet their full potential. So many coatings are just two colors and so few are unique designs. There are exceptions, but a handful of them aren't very coherent and a little jarring.

[agile lodge]

Right, ever since Halo 3, the series greatly expressed player customization as a core feature

It sucks how they downgraded it throughout the years, it’s suppose to have way more options

[agile lodge]

Yeah I made my character look like a human sized cyber demon

Tried copying it the best I could with the color scheme and such

[balmy wedge]

Prove it. Send me a screenshot.

[agile lodge]

Got to download the game again

[shrewd finch]

What's the matter with old school halo

[stoic canopy]

People still complaining about colors in Infinite....

Color was worthless in older Halos. You spent 99.9% of your time as Red or Blue unless you played basically nothing but FFA. Or were a Multi-team fiend in which case you still didn't pick your colors.

Then in Reach, 4 and 5 only in FFA, Multi and Firefight.

So then 343 finally makes colors matter and people whine that they charge $$$ for it, while giving a ton of options for free still and many if not most way more detailed than anything possible in older Halos.

[left snow]

And people ran around in the same handful of colour combinations anyway. I literally counted them for a month or so in an discussion we were having on Waypoint.

And while I agree that 343 could have done it better - it's way more interesting now.

[agile lodge]

Because the colors cost a ridiculous amount of money and you don’t have an option to customize any of the seven layers yourself, you’re stuck with pre-determined colors and sometimes they get vaulted in the store, it’s a lame system.

You don’t even get all of the basic color combinations, I can’t even put a white and black color coating without forking money out for it assuming it’s not vaulted and doesn’t cost like 20 bucks

[agile lodge]

Such a ignorant excuse, and a awful take. Who cares if people have the same color usually, it’s an option that’s removed from infinite and replaced with a greedy, and limiting system. In halo 3 has over 900 color combinations, meanwhile infinite still has less over its 3 year life cycle.

[stoic canopy]

So you're valuing "Exists but worthless and non-functional" over "Functional and Usable".

343 took a system that was worthless and might as well not exist in previous games, made it functional and valuable and expects money in return.

[agile lodge]

The coatings are not functional and usable

[magic night]

But they are

[agile lodge]

Half the time they’re like a slightly different shade of the same thing, and most of the time it’s a coating that looks like crap

[blissful vortex]

Even tho I have only been playing for around a month or two I already have tons of good looking colors.

[agile lodge]

Most of the coatings you aren’t going to put on because of the weird color schemes going on for them

[stoic canopy]

.....turns out fashion is subjective and most people aren't going to use most colors. Who knew?

[agile lodge]

Forking money out yeah, the only time I shilled for this game was for the halo 1 armor

[magic night]

You could say the exact same thing for the color combos of old

[blissful vortex]

Nope

[agile lodge]

Almost the same with wanting to choose your color combinations too!

[blissful vortex]

Even the ones they gave recently for mens mental health and the asian pacific heritage month look good

[agile lodge]

Who knew people loved having the option customize your own colors

[agile lodge]

They look like crap, give me my basic white and black without me spending 20 dollars on it

I could easily replicate this in Halo 2, what’s going on here?

Do you see the problem? The system is binary as all hell, half the coatings look like crap, and the other half you need to fork out a lot of money to get a color you actually like. It’s a bad system and it’s limiting. You have to wait for the devs to pump out colors, assuming it doesn’t get vaulted either

[blissful vortex]

You really think that a customization option like halo 2 would be successful economics wise??

[agile lodge]

What good is a seven layer color system when you can’t customize any of it?

[blissful vortex]

We are not in the age anymore where devs can pump out good and finished games every 3-4 years

[agile lodge]

There’s other ways halo infinite monetizes the game, those expensive armor bundles in the store

Colors are a simple way of customizing your armor, why put that behind a pay wall and limit it

[blissful vortex]

And the production cost is even higher if you compare it year by year

[agile lodge]

Don’t care, stop putting greedy systems in there. But it seems like it works since people shill like 20 bucks for armor and colors alone

[blissful vortex]

And while I agree that the shop prices are not it I like the new system because in older ones everyone was red/blue or like glowing pink or something like that.

[agile lodge]

Who cares? It’s an option, people can express themselves any way they want. Why remove that and replace it with a crappy system that doesn’t change anything anyways, half the coatings look like crap.

[blissful vortex]

I very rarely buy skins and even then probably only battle passes where I can make my credits back for the next one, hence why I bought S5 and im planning to go thru all the other seasons as time goes on.

[agile lodge]

The fact that my white and black color scheme costs 20 bucks and is vaulted is insane

I could put that on in Halo 2, that’s the embarrassing thing about it

[agile lodge]

Yeah and I want my white and black, where is it?

[blissful vortex]

I mean, you cant say that half the coatings look crap when its subjective

[agile lodge]

Sure, it would suck less if I was able to customize all seven layers

[blissful vortex]

In the overpriced store bc they know ppl will buy it lol

[agile lodge]

And you think this is a better system why?

No amount of defending 20 dollars for a basic white and black color will ever justify any of it

[blissful vortex]

Bc not everyone is the same color with this and colors actually look unique

[agile lodge]

Sorry, the fact I can replicate this in a halo game from 2004 free of charge is insane

[stoic canopy]

So there are 101 Free Armor Coatings by my rough estimate that run a gambit of colors and styles.

[agile lodge]

With a more limiting color system and one that’s expensive

[blissful vortex]

And noone will see it because you will be forced blue or red after lol

[agile lodge]

900 different color combinations in halo 3 btw

[stoic canopy]

So 343 has been pretty generous.

And also, you being able to make it other games is irrelevant; you cannot use it unless you're a FFA fiend. You are Blue/Red (or Green/Yellow/Purple if MT) and that is it.

[agile lodge]

Who cares, the option is there.

[blissful vortex]

Who cares about h2/3? You know its not economically feasible for them to make a game for 6 years and only charge for the base game.

[stoic canopy]

So what? You can't see them and they don't do anything; you will be Red or Blue and that is it.

[agile lodge]

In halo 2 and 3 your primary color acted as a secondary if you were red or blue

[agile lodge]

Not if I’m playing the ffa playlist

[blissful vortex]

Ngl thats kind of irrelevant, never spotted it when playing either of them

[agile lodge]

Literally was never an issue

[agile lodge]

And it’s not economically abvisable to charge basic color schemes for 20 bucks

[stoic canopy]

You saw a stripe or a shoulder, depending on your wearing. Almost unnoticable.

I was an FFA Fiend in the H3/Reach days and even I knew the coloring was pointless because still more than 70% + of my matches were team games.

[agile lodge]

That’s a limiting and crappy system, why not have the basic color system but introduce more colors and textures for the seven color coating system? That way you can give players the basic color combinations and charge the different shades of them and stuff

Like how glossy or dirty it can look or something, that could be a texture and not free

But we’re stuck with a crappy system that has no customization to it, just what the devs churn out

There’s a lot of coatings that would look decent then have a few wacky colors on it that completely ruin it for me

[stoic canopy]

It's been done in Warframe; not only is it way more complicated to implement but it ends up being way more expensive to the player than Shaders/Coatings because then the Dev has to charge way more for textures, colors etc.

[agile lodge]

That’s a bad system, I don’t want to have to pay money for a basic color scheme I always had

[blissful vortex]

Noone would want that imo, I like the current one because its unique, I just wish we would get milestone rewards like for x kills, y matches played, z level reached.

[agile lodge]

Again halo 3 has over 900 different color combinations that infinite didn’t even reach yet because of the binary system it has

Like I’ve said what good is a seven layer coating system when you can’t customize any of it

[blissful vortex]

I mean, its not really that expensive, especially considering that you can farm plat for free and easily any time, plus you buy big palettes of colors and not just a single color.

[stoic canopy]

You keep bringing that number up as if it matter when it doesn't because literally 95%+ of the player base only ever saw Blue/Red.

[blissful vortex]

+1

Everyone that ive seen in post game screens in mcc used either default or a glowing white/pink.

[agile lodge]

For Halo 2 it was the secondary color that was your primary, you also had your emblem on your shoulders and back that also glows into the colors you picked for it, Halo 3 you had it on your right shoulder (back if you were an elite) and on your chest I think

[stoic canopy]

The problem is you end up wanting to use Plat for functional things because the grind for functional things is super high.

[stoic canopy]

And in Infinite your Emblem is painted on your chest and on your vehicles.

[agile lodge]

I’m bringing it up because a 2007 game has more color options than the “better” system that replaced it

[blissful vortex]

Then just grind more plat, its not a big deal. Last time I played warframe I traded stuff for fun and got houndreds out of it. Also, the grind isnt really that bad considering you dont just do the same stuff over n over again.

[agile lodge]

No one wants the color coating system we have now it sucks

[blissful vortex]

I do actually, I prefer this to mcc colors.

[agile lodge]

They should’ve kept all the basic 18 colors we had in the halo games and then charge the special ones that are like different shades or textures

Would’ve been a better option because you wouldn’t limit the color coatings to something completely trash

[blissful vortex]

A limited option to add basic colors to open slots wouldnt be bad tbh but it wouldnt fit right for most colors probably.

[agile lodge]

You can barely see it in infinite

[blissful vortex]

Like an option to equip 3 colors max out of the default ones.

[agile lodge]

Also I forgot you can’t even customize your emblems fully either, something that was like that since halo 4

Which was ridiculous

[blissful vortex]

That would be nice considering you wouldnt make your whole armor yourself so it wouldnt be bad for them economically either

[agile lodge]

In halo 2, 3, and reach all the emblems were unlocked and you could customize them any way you want. In halo 5 you had to hit a loot box and in infinite through expensive bundles lol

[blissful vortex]

Tbh the current ones look vetter than the ones you could customize.

[agile lodge]

Why not have all seven? What’s the point of bragging about that when you can’t customize any of it

When most of the coatings look like dog water because there’s a few wacky colors that were spiced in just because?

[stoic canopy]

The old ones were super low quality and got replaced by Spartan ID cards anyway which are much better.

[blissful vortex]

Because people would make their own armors then and they wouldnt buy anything from the shop, that simple

[agile lodge]

Why can’t I have my basic white and black color scheme without paying for it?

[blissful vortex]

If you had 3 slots you could make most of your spartan black n white.

[agile lodge]

Yeah and that’s a bad business model

I’m sure they’re going to remove this entirely in the next halo game anyways since people complained about it

I legit see people wearing the same coatings in my games too, always the same set of like 10 or something

What’s the difference honestly

[blissful vortex]

Well that could be made up by them making more coatings, but it wouldnt change if people had more shades of the original colors.

[agile lodge]

The Spartan ID cards were crap

I still think Halo 2 had the best emblems solely because you can actually see them well on your character

[blissful vortex]

Since 95% of ppl would just slap some glowing color on and call it a skin lol.

[agile lodge]

They glow so they stick out, that’s something I wish returned

[blissful vortex]

Better than previous emblems imo

I like how they all have different nameplates just for them

[agile lodge]

I can’t even think of a single thing that looked cool in them

The title cards are legit ripped off from cod

[stoic canopy]

Yeah, I think this conversation is over. Pale seems just hate everything Infinite and wants to vent about it and cares way more about "Potential" over function and actual outcomes.

It's arguing with a brick wall.

[blissful vortex]

I loved the earth day nameplate that they gave us, been using it ever since.

[agile lodge]

Because the functions and actual outcomes suck and one of the many woes of infinite

You guys praise even the smallest updates because you think the game is still thriving, when they cut back on seasons since it wasn’t making them money so they switch strategies

That doesn’t sound like a game is doing well when you’re in your third year and switch business models because it costs more resources than the stuff they actually make back

[blissful vortex]

What did we praise exactly? I just said that I liked the new colors because they were more unique compared to the older ones

[agile lodge]

That’s why the store is so egregious, because they had to step up their pricing model since it wasn’t doing good

[agile lodge]

Not unique when you have less color combinations than that of halo 3 but whatever

Something the devs actually have to cook up themselves to make, it’s a weaker system

[blissful vortex]

You keep repeating h3 combinations but 95% of people were red/blue/some other common combination

[left snow]

The old colour system was boring and limited. We literally have millions of more options now.

But they should have separated the coatings into patterns and colours. Take a "pattern" and apply it to the armour core. Then take your "colour wheel" and throw it on the pattern.

You could have even set it up so you collected colours and textures separately and built your own colour wheels. Add your own levels of wear and tear.

Make them all single use and straight away you have an incentive to grind / buy more patterns and colours.

[agile lodge]

And you keep repeating the red and blue because you can’t handle the fact I made a good point

[blissful vortex]

What good point lol

[agile lodge]

There’s not millions, it’s a binary system that the devs have to create, there is no millions of color combinations at our disposal, you’re still right back at square one, they even have color coatings that look the same with just a slightly different shade, how can you support this

You need to pay for the colors you actually want assuming they don’t cost 20 bucks and aren’t vaulted, it’s a limiting system and it’s greedy

I don’t even have my white and black armor coating, I think it’s called silent snow because they vaulted it for good and it costs 15-20 bucks anyways

[blissful vortex]

Other than the store I think the system feels good, even the pass is fine imo

[paper estuary]

If Makorov is a Brute. He’ll defeat Escharum or Atriox. Or probably Thanos/Darksied can defeat Atriox easily

[agile lodge]

That halo 3 still has more color combinations than that of infinite, you negate this by pointing out that it’s only see in ffa, trying to undermine it when in a game that doesn’t have the red vs blue dynamic has less.

[agile lodge]

You can’t say the system is good with an other than that. The system was built in mind and around it. Lol.

It’s a binary system to sell you the illusion that there are a million choices out there when the devs still have to come up with them and they still churn out the same looking armor coatings despite being a seven layer system

[blissful vortex]

And minecraft has more combinations for crafting a bed, does that make it a better game?

[agile lodge]

It’s lazy, greedy, and boring.

[blissful vortex]

Just because there are lots of useless combinations it doesnt make it good

[agile lodge]

It has more options, which makes the customization better. Do you see the point now?

[ruby knoll]

i don't think you know what binary means

[agile lodge]

“Useless” supports a system where there’s the same looking armor coatings that’s slightly a different shade, is monetized to oblivion, and doesn’t even have the basic colors you want

[blissful vortex]

No, there was no point in what I said lol, everyone makes their beds from plain wool up until late game where they choose from like 4 different colors after.

And same as h3, everyone looked the same

[agile lodge]

You literally pick only what the devs churn out, it’s more or less binary because they still pump out similar looking armor coatings

[ruby knoll]

so like I said you don't know what binary means

[agile lodge]

And you still can look the same in infinite, once a new color drops or reruns in the store, people buy it and use it and look the same in the match

Even with promotional codes, I got the mtn dew armor coating and saw like 3 other people in the same match rocking it

With the same visors too, how is that so different?

[blissful vortex]

Dont buy colors then lol, problem solved. You were screeching about the system minutes ago anyways

[agile lodge]

It’s a system where it’s based on what the devs create, it’s limiting.

[ruby knoll]

ok that's not what binary means

[agile lodge]

And that’s what I’m making an argument against, that the system sucks?

[ruby knoll]

you don't need to prove your lack of knowledge to me over and over

[agile lodge]

I need to pay 20 dollars to get my basic black and white colors but it’s vaulted for good

[agile lodge]

🤓

[blissful vortex]

At least here you wont see everyone running the same colors all the time, only after its released and fresh.

[agile lodge]

You’ll still see duplicates

[blissful vortex]

Much less tho

[ruby knoll]

just like in h3 and whatnot

[agile lodge]

Halo 3 still has 900 different color combinations more than halo infinite released in its 3 year life cycle, that’s embarrassing

[ruby knoll]

wow
halo 3 is mid tho

[crystal iron]

Both have their pros and cons

[ruby knoll]

you had to pay for forge stuff in h3 too. smh

[crystal iron]

You had to pay for map packs

[agile lodge]

Sure, that was part of the business model back then

[crystal iron]

Otherwise the game would gatekeep you in matchmaking

[agile lodge]

I’m not defending that, I’m talking about colors here

[ruby knoll]

that you already had to pay for mind you

[blissful vortex]

Most of the store colors dont even look good in infinite tbh

At least I dont like them

[ruby knoll]

i've been rocking obelisk stone since campaign dropped

yo i just saw a weird little bird outside my window

[blissful vortex]

I bought the lime green and white coating from the exchange and been using that

[agile lodge]

O K

[ruby knoll]

pretty insane tbh

[radiant sundial]

Elaborate?

[crystal iron]

Yeah infinite’s coatings suck hard but it does leave the ability for the devs to make more detailed ones like with different patterns

3’s allows you to change your colours that you want but it’s literally just that

[radiant sundial]

The nerf looking one?

[ruby knoll]

it yelled in my direction then flew away

[radiant sundial]

Accurate

[agile lodge]

Why should I wait for devs to make a simple color coating I could easily replicate in halo 2 and 3?

[blissful vortex]

The armor coating not weapon

Its 7k sp if I remember riht

[radiant sundial]

I know, i have it

[agile lodge]

The color coating makes sense for weapon skins since you never were able to customize it, but for your character it sucks

[radiant sundial]

I got it when it launched with the yappening

It looks like the nerf gun coatings but for armor

[crystal iron]

Yeah true it’s kinda dumb it took so long to get a coating for the most basic colors but at the same time I’m not really complaining anymore since it doesn’t benefit anyone

[blissful vortex]

Idk, I wouldnt call lime green nerf guns lol

[agile lodge]

I’m still waiting for mine and it costs like 15 dollars and it’s vaulted

[radiant sundial]

1, look at the coatings, 2, look at nerf modulus/zombiestrike

[rugged quartz]

Assassinations

[blissful vortex]

Cant be bothered rn, its almost 4 am and I should have been asleep hours ago lol

[crystal iron]

Halo 2’s colors are garbage though, everything is dulled down and sometimes is hard to notice people within backgrounds

[ruby knoll]

while i don't really care about coatings strongly 343 set themselves up by not having like 10x the amount of default coatings and across cores too

[radiant sundial]

Orang/white/blue/green are nerfs 4 most loved colors

[crystal iron]

Yeah I personally don’t care too much about them, I just use the one with the cat ears bundle

That and the white and blue one

[paper estuary]

Should Halo be available for macOS?

[ruby knoll]

i mean sure why not

will Microsoft devote resources into a native port? unlikely

[paper estuary]

I want to switch to Mac

The reason why I can’t is because of Halo not being available on MacOS

Not sure how Halo games fare well on Snapdragon X

[crystal iron]

Why not try using something like Wine for emulation

(Windows emulation)

[red lance]

Anyone got tips for halo 2 Sacred Icon

It is so hard to beat

[crystal iron]

Speedrun it

[celest heron]

what parts are you stuck on

[finite prawn]

what part

[agile lodge]

How?

[agile lodge]

I forgot about those

They could’ve easily monetized those and not our color customization

[crystal iron]

Idk when I play in mm and stuff I have trouble seeing the other team on some maps like turf

[rugged quartz]

Assasssinations to see our armour and colours

[left snow]

Except that they are probably not that easy to monitise. People are likely to be reluctant to purchase something they tend to have switched off as default.

[lusty wraith]

I think Halo 2 is actually really pleasant to look at, especially MCC’s updates making it more parity to og

[crystal iron]

The game still looks good both og and anniversary but sometimes when I’m playing mp I can’t see some people in my peripheral view because they blend into the map

[lusty wraith]

Yea that’s fair, H2MP is pretty brutal in general

[paper estuary]

Yay new record. 335 kills in Halo Infinite Firefight

[sturdy kernel]

All skulls on halo infinite have been found
Now LASO or... I dont even know what I need to do now lol

[glacial tartan]

There are some gamma difference, I have to turn my in-game way up on these titles

H2A is aggressively dark in some areas

[zealous panther]

This is so strange to have different halo 2 multiplayer all together

[scarlet knoll]

compared to how they only have 1 for halo CE

[zealous panther]

I mean, I don't really understand why not just... Enable new graphics in it.

[civic sundial]

Not as simple as just slapping the new atop the old

[zealous panther]

I mean... Probably. I don't know how it works, but if in single player it works with one button press... And assets already exist. So I don't know the reasons why.

[glacial tartan]

CE never had its multiplayer redone.
H2As multiplayer is in a completely different engine, different weapons etc - barely has any maps because of it

[zealous panther]

I know. I just don't really understand why not just... Swap models or something

[civic sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/the-arbiter-halo3-were-it-so-easy-gif-16329924

[agile lodge]

I do enjoy Halo 2A but the lack of dev maps makes it hard for me to play through, forge is okay but most of them consist of boring stone slab pieces and makes every map feel the same aesthetically like halo reach

[glacial tartan]

I think it fills a good niche for action sack gametypes - it doesnt play well in more normal game modes (but I also never loved Halo 4, so obviously Halo 4 2 electric boogaloo isnt going to be my favorite)

[agile lodge]

It feels like a better halo 4 for me

[analog salmon]

i love it other then Warlock

and the forge maps that have broken lighting lol

Wizard works in CE but I just can't stand Warlock in 2 or 2A

imo they should have just ported Reach's Halo 2 remakes into 2AMP

Ivory Tower, Headlong and Beaver Creek

[zealous panther]

I wish MCC had a bit of mkb assist like in infinite. I can't compete in my travels without gamepad. No chances. I'm getting old

[analog salmon]

I just play MCC with controller and infinite with kbm

I think 1 & 3 are probably balanced but 2 & Reach are controlller only for me

[zealous panther]

I don't want to take controller in my travels. This is not convenient for me. Tho this is my problems.

[analog salmon]

In the opposite I can’t use kbm without a proper keyboard monitor etc

[zealous panther]

I have to disagree about 3. Too much of awkward tracking required on so many maps. I feel like I miss 1/3 of my bullets in bursts. 2 is impossible. Reach... I don't want to talk about Reach

4 actually feels ok on mkb, no complaints from me.

[cunning jungle]

New CoD Zombies maps in infinite feels like a step forward, the more social infinite becomes the more I can just chill with a few friends. Removing legendary firefight is a mistake though

[neon jasper]

I tried controller the other day, my God I've been on MKB for a long time lol

[analog salmon]

getting the grunt mode in legendary firefight half the time already ruined it for me

just feels like the only time you lose is when you all get caught out by the grunts spawning literally on top of you

otherwise its a cake walk

[ruby lake]

i wonder what halo 7 is gonnn be like

[ruby knoll]

ay low sev'n

[analog salmon]

im just praying they have a content pipeline for the ranked mode next time around

idk about other arena shooters but surely only 2 new maps sticking after 2 years of live service is pretty underwhelming

and ranked doubles just needs to be a staple mode from day 1 with good maps

doubles is where you can experiment a bit more but the doubles maps in Infinite are just not competitive at all compared to past games

[shrewd finch]

It's pretty balanced in MCC, I play both and they both have their pros and cons

[agile lodge]

A lot of people don’t render the lighting

[analog salmon]

The ones in matchmaking are broken

Like no way lighting that broken should pass QA

You can just about tolerate it by messing with your display settings

[agile lodge]

I wonder why

The lighting should render

[analog salmon]

Maybe it’s designed for HDR and not SDR lol?

[agile lodge]

Does the newer halo forges have the ability to render lighting anytime you want?

[crystal iron]

halo MCC doesn't start

easy anti cheat error. It says that the exe isn't recognized

[blissful vortex]

There is supposedly an eac repair file somewhere between the games folders, give that a try, might help

[crystal iron]

there isn't

[glacial tartan]

Delete the entire EAC folder if you can’t find the file, then verify your install

[tulip tusk]

try what Panda said above. If doesn't work make a post in community-self-help, include a picture of your error message and include what you have tried to do to fix it

[crystal iron]

it's not a steam version

[tulip tusk]

#1075989764026675210 and list such info there in your post

[zinc flax]

I don’t mean to start a flame war but…

||I see some massive parallels between the OG Modern Warfare 2 & 3 and Halo 2 & 3’s stories||

||Both Modern Warfare 2 & Halo 2 feature an extensive and very deeply complex story filled with plot twists, betrayal, and a civil war level that the player needs to push through. Sure Tartarus/Shepherd are dead… but there’s still more work to do||

||Modern Warfare 3 & Halo 3 pick up near a few days after the end of the predecessor. The writing in both these games take a slight bit of a beating (in story, character motives, and pacing). Old friends are met, only for them to play a downgraded part sadly. In the end of both… an involuntary sacrifice is made to kill the antagonist and end the war.||

[tulip tusk]

🔥

[zinc flax]

What’s that lol

[tulip tusk]

flamewar-thog

[zealous panther]

Absolutely not. Controller have clear advantage over mkb in almost every situation, except snipers I guess.

[analog salmon]

one advantage of kbm is they enabled crouch strafing

which is blocked with controller in all the games except 2AMP

i still think Reach is just not enjoyable at all tho

i dont even really understand why

my guess is the DMR just has insane AA on controller and is much harder to use kbm then the Bandit Evo due to no AA

i feel like even when im super rusty with controller i'd still do better in reach then using kbm

[crystal iron]

Kbm are better for one shot game modes with usually fast reaction times such as swat or snipers

Also playing kbm in btb makes you incredibly problematic to deal with since you can turn vehicles such as the banshee or wraith 180° and dominate the battlefield

Best example is Spire in Reach, once you get the banshee you can start spawn killing people over and over without much issue

Outside of that controller is definitely a better option

Unlike cod you can’t get away with a lot of pc shenanigans due to the higher ttk

[zealous panther]

Yeah, I agree, but this is pretty specific modes and examples, one of which I mentioned.

[zealous panther]

I feel like on kbm I never get this last headshot because of bloom and I never have this problem on controller

[crystal iron]

True

Also pc kinda opened the door for more cheating methods

[zealous panther]

I got my 3d halo 2 limited edition...

[crystal iron]

Did 24hrs of infinite halo straight our team was forming alll day but ran strong and group lasted 9hrs… game def not dying

I don’t think half the players are even aware of LFG tools

[glacial tartan]

To be clear without the mnk advantages the banshee on spire is stupid strong. But it is true that vehicle movement on mnk is completely broken

[crystal iron]

Yeah banshees on that map are hella hard to deal with

[shrewd finch]

Honestly might just be a skill issue on your end

If you know how to lead your shots kbm is fine

[zealous panther]

smh. whatever you say

[analog salmon]

half the games are practically hit scan lol

reach is pretty much

if you're not great with controller ig i could understand seeing it as not a big advantage

[blissful vortex]

but a controller player can just sit back and relax while still being decent bc of assist while on kbm you have to focus n sweat to be good

[zealous panther]

halo combat evolved game of the year box art is metallic irl. this is amazing

holographic material

[sturdy kernel]

Welp, I really don't want to do that, but I will
I will walkthrough every part of MCC on legendary difficulty(except Reach and Halo 4)

This should be funny and hard

[shrewd finch]

Do you even play controller yourself? I play both pretty equally, and if you want to do good on both you have to sweat and try. You think pros just lean back in their chair and play?

[high raft]

Say you never actually played with a controller without saying you never actually played with a controller. No offense but this take is completely dense.

[zealous panther]

2 big oofs

[finite prawn]

i hate these arguements

i play both its whether or not your good at it or not

pick up a controller and use it then lmfao

my brother says controller players have an advantage yet is absolute garbage on controller

[zinc flax]

Half the time aim assist doesn’t work

Also it’s more of a nuisance than helpful in MP

[blissful vortex]

"want to do good" I never said that tho?

but its easier to get into controller than pc in a shooter like this

[shrewd finch]

Okay sure bud

Use a controller and come back to me

[zinc flax]

Well… Halo was a console exclusive game at one point

[blissful vortex]

and? that doesnt change anything lol

[blissful vortex]

you are saying that like I said that you are gonna be a god when picking up a controller for the first time lol

its easier to pick up a controller when u have 0 knowledge than a kbm and do good in halo because of aim assist, you will suck w both

[shrewd finch]

No I'm saying the starting points are pretty equal

[zinc flax]

KBM takes a ton of skill to master, Controller does not, especially from a series that has been on console its whole life until 2020

You have 1000 keys vs a few buttons

[shrewd finch]

Both take a ton of skill to master, consistency on both is hard

And you can never truly master something anyway

[zinc flax]

Ehhh, as a person who plays on Xbox, having your keys next to each other and always in your hands is helpful

[shrewd finch]

I mean that's the same on keyboard, unless you map your keys to the right side of your keyboard for some reason

[zinc flax]

I’ve never played on PC, but it sure looks like an ISS mission

[shrewd finch]

Lol yeah I can understand

[zinc flax]

I have played GMod and Amorous and those take time to master sure, but a controller takes as little as a few minutes

Aim Assist on the other hand isn’t helpful for us console users

A lot of times we turn it off for MP

[long stump]

If we don’t get playable elites in the next game I’m quitting this franchise.

[onyx latch]

Casually namedrops NSFW dating sim game as an example of MKB skill

[onyx latch]

Goober preferred species

[ruby lake]

womp womp

imagine being emotional about polygons

[tulip tusk]

You're an artist!! Emotion from such stuff is normal and sort of the point!

[zealous panther]

emotions are for the weak. be a machine. became steel.

[balmy wedge]

Tombeg never got the point of Halo 4. 😔
Sorry Thomas Lasky. 😔

[long stump]

Being emotional about polygons is why we are all here dude.

[civic sundial]

But why are we here? I mean, are we the product of some cosmic coincidence, or is there really a God watching everything?

[zealous panther]

Why are we still here? Just to suffer?... wait, wrong game

[ashen atlas]

A fish frog decided to breed with a monkey and that's why we're here

[knotty ermine]

the game crashing is just a feature at this point

[frigid rapids]

any of you know how to do raids with bandana skull on?

[tulip tusk]

if you wish, select the proper mode for the map and just edit pre game settings. Infinite ammo on, infinite equipment (power and other) on

[ruby lake]

shouldve told them to go back to where they came from

[ruby lake]

ok

[onyx latch]

Same tbh

[manic ice]

who wins in a fight me or Jameson Locke

[frigid rapids]

does anyone know the name of the bikini bottom map? Like the really huge one

[thorny moon]

Anyone down to regularly play Infinite or any of the games on MCC, campaign, firefight or multiplayer for both. I play on Xbox Series X if that matters. Also like playing Fortnite, CoD and open to playing other games as well if you're down. My friends all have PS so just looking for bros to play with. Message me for my Gamertag if you wanna play!

[spare finch]

bring back old matchmaking, ditch AI

MCC feels more balanced and better overall than infinite's multiplayer because of ai matchmaking

If I could sue microsoft over this (ai use) and win, I would

[ruby knoll]

what are you talking about

[spare finch]

Microsoft uses AI in halo infinite's matchmaking instead of using actual code that would be much more useful and more balanced

[ruby knoll]

what

[ruby knoll]

do you have a source for this

[spare finch]

ask mint blitz lmao

[ruby knoll]

oh so it's fake

[spare finch]

you're just saying that because you hate mint blitz

when mint blitz is a partnered youtuber of 343

great reason for me to block you for trying to pull a trump move on me

[ruby knoll]

@wide trout i haven't kept up with stuff did 343 partner with the guy the CMs had to slap down for spreading total nonsense

[spare finch]

🤦‍♀️ do you really have to do this

they won't give you information

[ruby knoll]

but mint quitz will

[spare finch]

enough toxicity

[ruby knoll]

i'm toxic for questioning the reliability of a known liar?

last i checked mint blitz isn't partnered with 343

[signal ivy]

he has no official partnership with 343 that I know of

[ruby knoll]

but aegis

mint blitz is saying Michael soft uses ai for matchmaking!!!!

my source is that i made it up

[spare finch]

I'm trying to avoid conflict with this person that has been being kinda rude and trumping me for believing a 343 dev's information about the matchmaking (it was spread by mint blitz)

[ruby knoll]

ah so it's from a 343 dev

[spare finch]

rule 1: respect everyone
stop trying to be a conflict (and stop mocking me)

[ruby knoll]

well, which one?

[urban flower]

So my friends and I are making a Halo shortfilm, we have some pretty decent promo material for it, is there a specific channel that it'd sit best in?

[ruby knoll]

#1076327824924872755

[urban flower]

Based

[ruby knoll]

anyways, there's no real evidence showing that they switched the ts2 based system with """ai""" (whatever that means here)

[spare finch]

🙄 this is why the block button exists. I've been trying to get you to stop being toxic and trumping me, but you never listened (because you're still being rude and acting all like "proof?")... watch the mint blitz video, it gives you enough proof

[spare finch]

it's always been ai with infinite

[ruby knoll]

define ai in this context

[spare finch]

🤦‍♀️

Ai means Artificial Intelligence

the thing that manipulates people with false information and has been taking jobs

yeah it analyzes your gameplay and purposefully ranks up the enemies and makes the teammates worse

[ruby knoll]

doesn't exist

[spare finch]

it isn't skill based, it's score-based

[ruby knoll]

are we talking an LLM or some other ML thing

[spare finch]

you can't trump me anymore, I'm blocking you. You can stop with the "fake news" blurting or just stop talking in general, you're getting on my nerves.

[ruby knoll]

you don't need an LLM to do the first one, as mint blitz shows

again, artificial intelligence in the popular context is a buzzword for LLMs and other ML stuff

[spare finch]

I like the block button, it gives me peace

[ruby knoll]

whoa spooky!!!! look at this scawwy ai i found that analyzes gameplay https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/uploads/prod/2018/03/trueskill2.pdf

[spare finch]

and yes, all that's appearing is

X 1 blocked message -- Show message

[ruby knoll]

i found it in the search ai (bing) in my browser ai (firefox)

scawwy

so not only is matchmaking suddenly done by ""ai"" but its also retroactively there

[ruby knoll]

i stubbed my foot on ai (the curb) while getting out of the bus

[signal ivy]

siege lol

[ruby lake]

what happened this time

[ruby knoll]

i called into question the veracity of certain claims presented in this illustrious chamber of discourse

[ruby lake]

???

[ruby knoll]

i said that the "infinite uses ai for matchmaking" thing is fake

[ruby lake]

oh

yeah idk if microsft uses ai for halo infinite's matchmakinng

its just a [CENSOR!][CENSOR!] claim made by mint quitz

hes literally losing his mind rn

[ruby knoll]

as far as i can tell it's still the TS2 derived thing they've been using since launch

[ruby lake]

is it me or

most halo tubers are just using rumors for their own content?

[left snow]

The funny thing is that Mint does another whole video tying to scare people about hidden evil MMRs and nasty AI matchmaking - complaining about how sweaty lobbies are - all while showing clips of him feasting on hapless opponents who are way below his weight class.

I looked up the "best" player on the other team that showed up on the scoreboard right at the end of his video. Gold 4.

[ruby lake]

example: "DA NEXT HALLO GAME WILL BE A MOBILE GAEM!? :soy:"

"iZ 343 gonna rEboot hAlo!?"

and stretch that topic for like
10 to 15 minutes and bam

content farm

[ruby knoll]

technically more true than the ai thing

xcloud moments

halo is now a mobile game thank u Steve job

I've said this a thousand times in some way but i would be unsurprised by official xcloud clients for ps and switch

[ruby lake]

me personally

[ruby knoll]

yeah the complaints posted above seem word for word same as the complaints about matchmaking in general

[ruby lake]

i do not believe what random youtuber says

unless i look it up myself

because 99.7% of the time, they show twitter posts as evidence to back up their claims also

also
regarding the ai matchmaking thing

im pretty sure that was all a lie because mint quiz had a skill issue for not having a perfect win streak

[neon temple]

anyone unranked in snipers that would like to play ?

[ruby lake]

snipers are my weaknesses

if i dont look at the lens flare im cooked

[left snow]

The problem is that people like the narrative that the system is out to get them. That's why they aren't getting better. And they struggle with the concept of randomness. The fact that opposition team suddenly "gelled" together is just crazy random happenstance.

[left snow]

At least you have something to work with. I wish I was good enough to live long enough to see a lens flare.

[celest heron]

it's not some new thing. it's been in gaming since 2017.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/project/truematch/overview/

[left snow]

Yep. And it's all pretty straight forward. Rank people as accurately as you can and then use that data to make two even teams.

But some people think that there is a separate system (or AI) that is deciding who wins or loses.

Re: Mint Blitz.

They don't seem to understand that every now and then a team will just gel and play well. It's not big brother out to get you.

[ashen atlas]

Maybe next time

[celest heron]

he also implied it was some kind of big secret. I remember hearing about this back in the H5 days although maybe not everyone is informed about it as we have one example in the chat.

[crystal iron]

Mint quitting games for easier opponents has been known for a while

[open umbra]

Even if MS actually use AI on SBMM, the one you should blame is the algorithm they based on, instead of just getting mad on a 'toolkit/function' that can be used.

[ruby lake]

"my team died!! bcuz tthe enemy team was better than us!! i blame on the non existent ai!!"

"instead of my lack of skill!!!"

[open umbra]

Speaking of rumours, I really don't know why most of the YouTubers cheer on the rumour about the next halo game being on UE5...

[ruby lake]

its highly unlikely to be unreal engine 5

[open umbra]

Especially with the recent release of Hellblade 2 being a “GPU fryer”

[ruby lake]

because "me see detail and shiny thing, me likey"

also because of
graphics

[crystal iron]

hmm

[white birch]

This has always been the case.
From day one.

Also, anything thats worth making a video people will click on is somethign they can use

[thick cove]

Yup and you know what, hate sells and gets you views at least on the gaming side of the things

[crystal iron]

I am knda new I have been on the game since early 2023 and it sucks that halo infinite has such repetitive vids :/

[zealous panther]

Repetitive vids?

[crystal iron]

Halo is dead
Halo is back

[zealous panther]

Well, Halo is the last of the Mohicans. The whole arena fps genre is kinda half alive.

[half abyss]

Its what happens when most of the incentive to play modern fps is shoved into a store or battlepass

[half abyss]

tell me about it, ive been staying on top of halo news these past weeks and i think there are like 7 mint blitz videos where he just says the same thing. I don't think he's bad at delivering info i just think halo youtubers are so starved for anything to happen

[paper estuary]

Can anyone report UnwarmedPotato. He has been harassing me and trolling.

[onyx latch]

The Minty neurons are dying out

[onyx latch]

It's funny as hell to me that people think he's a champion of the people when he literally got console banned for smurfing and reverse boosting back in the Halo 5 days.

Like, this is a guy with a vested interest in having an even more broken matchmaking system so he can farm harder.

[half abyss]

That's news to me actually

[onyx latch]

Yeah, it's weird that it got memory holed.

Or maybe he was just normal banned? One of the two.

[half abyss]

presumably fans who dont want his image tarnished

[onyx latch]

I mean, the guy is a good player. Better than I am.

But he's also, y'know, a proven liar.

[half abyss]

yeah no hes nasty with the sniper but thats legit all i know about him

[onyx latch]

Yeah, he spouts a ton of really wrong crap about how matchmaking works. Unyshek's slapped him down a few times for spreading misinformation.

People always believe him because of competency bias.

[half abyss]

didnt a staff member come out about that? how matchmaking keeps balancing your wins out and what not?

[onyx latch]

Yeah, but that is the intended function of a balanced matchmaking system.

It's not as strong as people say though.

[half abyss]

yeah in social probably but i feel like that would be very impactful on ranked

[onyx latch]

Maybe. I don't play ranked, though, so.

[half abyss]

i dont play it much but i wouldnt want my rank being compromised cause a system thought i was TOO good

[onyx latch]

The idea is that you'll naturally get filtered to your proper level, so the game 'testing' you like that is normal.

[half abyss]

from what ive heard its just wildly overcorrecting on that, i get that feeling from social mcc sometimes

[onyx latch]

I mean, I think this is entirely a matter of perspective. The one time I had to play Infinite ranked back in Year 1, I got my rear kicked up and down my placement matches without mercy.

I still placed Plat 5 despite losing 7/10 matches, badly.

[half abyss]

its gotten to a point where i actually have NO idea if im good at halo or not

cause i cant get a frame of reference from this rollercoaster

[onyx latch]

I never really considered it worth questioning. I'm situationally good and strategic in teams but I struggle with 1v1s.

[half abyss]

not to mention the leaderboards are stuffed with hackers so i cant check there either

[onyx latch]

So by some metrics, I'm a great player, because I regularly punch high above my weight and do good in BTB and teamfights; But in 1v1s I tend to lose or retreat if I'm starting to lose, which makes me a bad player.

[half abyss]

id say back in bungie days i was good. beaten every campaign on legendary, and often killed at least two before i died in matchmaking. I have no idea where i fall on the grid now though.

1v1 really is a diff beast though, a lot more meticulous, and it pays to know who youre going against. i always found meeting strangers in 1v1 matchmaking is a death sentence

[onyx latch]

I'm good at outthinking opponents, so that's kinda the thing.

Some people are gods at BR duels, I'm not. But I'm good at knowing when/where to act.

[half abyss]

only person i can have a decent go at is my brother and he used to be real nasty at the game, still is in my opinion

[onyx latch]

Yeah, but you likely attuned to his habits.

[half abyss]

yeah, i dont get that luxury in matchmaking

[crystal iron]

why when i won ranked give me only 8-9 point and wen i lost -12 are either the 2 or the first in the leaderboard

[half abyss]

maybe i should play more 1v1, help me get some perspective, my brother jokingly promised to buy me champagne once i beat him so im taking him up on that bet

[onyx latch]

It's based on relative performance commiserate with what the game expects of you.

Not wins or losses alone.

If you perform way above but still lose, you might gain points. You win, but die 20 times and get 1 kill, you might lose points.

[crystal iron]

im the first one in the leaderboard and i gain max 11 point

[onyx latch]

Doesn't matter, it's based on what the game expects of you.

Can't really make it more clear.

Like, it literally is that basic of a statement.

[crystal iron]

not long ago gave me 15 for win and -4 if i lose

[magic night]

Because it's based on your skill relative to everyone else in the match

If you lose a match and only lose a little CSR, it means your opponents were tougher

Same for if you win a match and gain a lot

[crystal iron]

1v1s are usually pretty garbage to determine who is better

[onyx latch]

I mean, maybe two people telling him this'll work?

[north remnant]

guys wth am i supposed to do in halo ce in the stage where i gotta find some sort of a mechanizem idk what im supposed to do

with warthog

nah i quit

[onyx latch]

Well, thanks for proving why yellow paint is a thing in modern video games.

[crystal iron]

I'm just saying: Whenever I get absolutely wrecked, I just accept it as "they played better".

[half abyss]

I mean at the end of the day yeah, its not like 343 gave em aimbot.

[stoic latch]

this game has no balance

I get jump scared by gravity hammer

die in one hit

[sullen owl]

Lots of ways to avoid that.

[crystal iron]

My guy, I've seen someone kill a player wielding a gravity hammer with a depleted energy sword. As in: A depleted energy sword killed a player that had a gravity hammer.

[crystal iron]

Silent Cartographer?

[half abyss]

its a gravity happer what do you expect

[north remnant]

PROB not that

[onyx latch]

Happer

[north remnant]

i quit already im bored as hell

[crystal iron]

Imma be honest, the SBMM argument just seems kinda redundant at this rate.

[stoic latch]

I don't like single-player games that expect you to know what to do with no hints or arrows

[sturdy kernel]

Maybe he means how to turn on the bridge

[north remnant]

exactly

[crystal iron]

To me, it's up to the player as to whether or not they want to just play casually or utilize the reflexes of a fly.

[half abyss]

happer, how did i make that typo that key isnt even near M

[sturdy kernel]

@north remnant ?

[crystal iron]

And sometimes, those playstyles encounter the other.

[north remnant]

yeah that is thast

[north remnant]

that

[crystal iron]

You can edit a message.

[north remnant]

well i sometimes am dumb

[crystal iron]

We all have those moments.

[north remnant]

yes

[crystal iron]

So anyways, the most consensus for what people want to be added to Infinite at this rate is: New weapons and vehicles(those considered to be the "main" wants).

[stoic latch]

more story

[crystal iron]

Well yeah, also that.

(and playable elites and assassinations, but elites cause a bit of wildfire if you aren't careful with how you talk about it)

[half abyss]

delete the store

[sturdy kernel]

https://youtu.be/KevvNtOuEFo?si=cjD0OiGFYap2w09e

Time code 42:01

Legendary Halo CE walkthrough

[crystal iron]

But yeah, I kinda feel like it's best to complete Infinite's story with DLC and not with the next game.

[stoic latch]

I hope Horvath and Kovan is still alive

maybe they met chief

[crystal iron]

I just feel like the rest of Infinite's story isn't really the best for taking up a whole another game when DLC is an option.

Of course, it depends on just how much storyline is left for what Infinite's story was trying to tell.

[half abyss]

well DLC was planned wasnt it

[crystal iron]

There was apparently coding in the game in place for if DLC was to be worked on.

[stoic latch]

i think they are cancelling that

[half abyss]

but 343 decided to scrap their 10 year plan so they could work on the next sca-I mean mainline halo title

[stoic latch]

they stopped adding story stuff

Just need to know what happened to Infinity and Lasky and Majestic and Blue Team

[half abyss]

gotta hit the john brb

[stoic latch]

Escharum said they had full control over Zeta Halo so it's not looking good

[onyx latch]

Reminder that characters can lie

And frequently do

[crystal iron]

There's two routes that Infinite's going down: Either they are looking into Campaign DLC now since there was recently more apparent interest in story content(just look at the type of videos made before ske7ch decided to comment on it), or Infinite's content on actual game story content is not coming anytime soon(if at all) and the multiplayer is going to be the full focus for the rest of it's lifespan.

[stoic latch]

I didn't realize you could bring in friendly marines and elites in the coop mode. Im not sure how to do it

[onyx latch]

On this, Escharum directly lies to a few characters in the campaign.

[stoic latch]

well I hope

[onyx latch]

And it's implied he's also gaslighting his forces.

I mean the Banished are 100% 'winning', but the situation kinda shows they haven't actually completely dominated the ring.

[stoic latch]

why though the other halo games doesn't have the open world stuf right

[onyx latch]

I mean, ODST did.

Honestly, fighting the Created and Banished in a city when the Guardian network goes down sounds like it would've been a more interesting game than what we got.

[stoic latch]

imagine if the eternity shows up in Halo 7

we didn't get to see in Infinite but the book said it fired atleast one Mac round

[crystal iron]

On one hand, Campaign DLC would bring more attention to Infinite, be another way of getting revenue from the game that isn't as argument-starting as the shop. It's something people definitely want, as there was definitely a good amount of interest in the story and it's something "big" coming out of Halo.

But 343 might really be saving all story work for the next game, and the full focus is still on the multiplayer, as ske7ch said before. Which considering more of the recent decisions made with Infinite(the cancelling of seasons not SOUNDING good, Operations not being taken well by the more vocal part of the community(whether it's deserved or not), the consistent bashing of the shop, and the lack of new gameplay content besides fine tuning, some new modes and maps being it). Either case COULD be possible, but nobody besides 343 has an answer, and they've been tight-lipped on these kinds of things recently. (sorry, that took a short while to type out)

[civic sundial]

It won't, it was never finished

[stoic latch]

well i hope they have more books then

[crystal iron]

Honestly, it just kinda feels like they're shooting themselves in the foot.

[stoic latch]

you know I didn't know Gen 3 armor can just fail and then you're stuck inside and can't move now that is a design flaw

[stoic latch]

just wait 1 or 2 years we will seee soooon

when was Infinite revealed? 2019?

[half abyss]

probably to just make the next big wow at upcoming game reveals. and lets be honest infinite is kind of beyyond fixing

[crystal iron]

yo do you think they will bring back big booty spartens in the next game?

[stoic latch]

💀

[crystal iron]

4 sience bro 🫡

If they just marketed/advertised more(especially with the Operation side of things, since they are supposed to be the replacement for seasons), then they would see more people coming in.
But it just feels like they're doing the bare minimum(not saying that's the case, I know there are people at 343 who are dedicated to Halo and really care about it), and it seems that they aren't really gaining much from it. (from what I have seen)

[half abyss]

i mean it HAS made some steps in the right direction, but if they want to get back the majority playerbase that store just has to go. and lets not kid ourselves, the battlepass is just another store too. basically the whole armor system needs to get revamped and that probably means resetting everyones progress and purchases, which probably isnt the best idea this late into infinites lifespan

[stoic latch]

you're right add back female and male spartan types

[crystal iron]

I have a suggestion: If seasons are going away, and the battle passes for those seasons are just left there...

Make every season pass available to all.

Or, reconsider getting rid of seasons. Bring them back.

[half abyss]

oh yeah about that if i remember correctly last year infinite celebrated womens month and during that same month (or around it) they changed the names of "male/female" spartans in MCC reach to "heavy armor" and "light armor"

very inclusive

[stoic latch]

💀

[half abyss]

and lets not forget the body type 1, 2, and 3, although that was in infinite on day one, but still

[crystal iron]

It's smart though, because you can TELL which "armor" represents one gender or the other. It's like a workaround, it's the same system, but avoids the debate of gender politics that can end up seeping into a conversation.

[stoic latch]

Like Vale's design is kinda pushing it

[half abyss]

im fairly certain nobody cared, that's the thing

[crystal iron]

Yeah, you didn't really see people complain about Kat or Vale or anything, it's just a customization thing.

It's a game, and people sometimes like having an option to make their character look like that.

[half abyss]

i can understand separating voices from models, but idk the renaming felt a bit pretentious

[crystal iron]

Hey, Predator: Hunting Grounds has the option for a female Predator, but that's also a "body type" option(though you can tell what it's meant to be).

[stoic latch]

Halo 5 had it all

[half abyss]

thats a surprise

more variety in the spartans identity than the actual armor. thats odd

[crystal iron]

In my opinion, the problem with Infinite's body types are this: It just barely affects some cores(the legendary ones don't get affected at all).

And, if I remember correctly, the armor doesn't conform to the body type, it stays in the same place while only the Spartan's body is altered(apart from the shoulders, those do sometimes move positions with the body type).

[half abyss]

i mean i get the fairness of the hitboxes and what not, but they REALLY overcorrected with it

reduced it down to just 3 variations of waist width, that seriously no one will notice in matches

[livid fable]

...

maybe they should lean into it.

[crystal iron]

You can argue certain cosmetics have that problem too, I do think they could definitely get away with some model alterations with the body types. Just fine tune it.

[onyx latch]

They swapped the gender to the voice selection off the body. So.

[livid fable]

make the female Spartans like 4 inches shorter so they can't see over all the walls but it's also harder to get a headshot on them and they can move at full speed without ducking behind every wall

idk. sometimes I feel like stupid ideas are better if they're at least not stagnant ideas.

[onyx latch]

Made me happy, I can run a male voice on what was the old female body.

[half abyss]

thats no problem for me, i just think it seems two faced. they celebrate something in one game and erase it in the other

[onyx latch]

They... Didn't erase it though?

[crystal iron]

Reach DID have the gender system AND a body type selector for both genders, I feel like Infinite could have an "armor type" option and a body type option coexist.

[onyx latch]

Like you're misrepresenting it

[livid fable]

tbird means that they separated the body type from the voice type

[half abyss]

renamingf it, its more of a symbolic erasure

[onyx latch]

It's literally not though, unless you're sexist.

[livid fable]

they're not not tracking it, they are tracking it through voice

[crystal iron]

Let's be honest, the body type system is not a bad idea, it just needs some work.

[livid fable]

regarding symbolism and metaphor, I'm out. involves too much mind reading.

[half abyss]

guess i am then idfk

it just seems dumb

[crystal iron]

Just take what Reach or the MCC did, and then expand upon it.

[onyx latch]

There isn't enough datura in the world to warp my mind enough to somehow think separating voice and body type into two separate options is somehow sexist erasure.

[livid fable]

I don't know what that fourth word is

[crystal iron]

OR just add more body types and maybe some more voice options.

[livid fable]

honestly the cosmetic section UI....

eeeeeehhhhhhh

[half abyss]

waitwait i dont have an issue with that, it was that they renamed female/male to heavy/light armor in reach MCC

while celebrating womens month in infinite

doesnt add up

[onyx latch]

Bro skipped over what we said again

[livid fable]

it does seem kind of weird to call the bigger booty Spartan light armor, but eh.

[crystal iron]

Although, I don't know how likely a t h i c c Spartan update is for Infinite.

[half abyss]

lol

[onyx latch]

CAN WE STOP SAYING THAT HOLY HELL

[half abyss]

what T H I CCC?

[crystal iron]

...

[livid fable]

big booty?

[onyx latch]

Anyways, no, it isn't two faced. They literally just seperated the gender selection from the body selection so you can have a male voice on the female body or vice versa in Reach as gender standards have changed in gaming since Reach's release.

That isn't erasure. That's affirmation.

[half abyss]

no its got nothing to do with the voice

im not talking about the voice, it can be separated for all i care

[onyx latch]

Okay? But the voice is literally the male female important part, not the body.

[livid fable]

anyway, whether we call the female looking Spartan female or type 2 or light armor probably doesn't matter.

[onyx latch]

I honestly prefer Infinite's way of handling it by a country mile.

[livid fable]

I would be a lot more in favor of it if they actually expanded on it

[onyx latch]

It isn't obnoxious like Reach/4/5.

[livid fable]

I don't think reach was as bad as five, but it does feel like they either have extremes or virtually no difference.

[onyx latch]

I'm old school. I prefer Spartans having effectively no noticeable difference.

[livid fable]

and if you're going to go for no difference, then maybe focus on making what you do have better?

[half abyss]

now THATS based

[livid fable]

like I don't think any of the tenrai stuff actually changes between body types

[onyx latch]

None of the fractures do

[livid fable]

so it's like,

is it supposed to be a feature or is it not supposed to be

because if it's not supposed to be, then can we just get rid of that section?

I can't think of the last time I looked at a Spartan and I thought to myself, hey, that Spartan has body type 1, or that Spartan has body type 2

[stoic latch]

nah its the new gen spartan armor since it can adjust itself to the wearer

i think

[half abyss]

well at the end of the day i dont get a say in it, it's their game, dont have to agree but i got better things to do than bicker about it

[livid fable]

like imagine if you could change the color of your Spartans armor

but your choices were red, slightly off red, slightly dim red, slightly shiny red, and slightly matte red

[onyx latch]

I don't think it matters in the slightest.

[livid fable]

that's my point

[stoic latch]

you can but the free options are so tiny

[livid fable]

I guess I just don't understand the purpose of distinctions that don't have distinctions

[crystal iron]

So...

[stoic latch]

atleast they gave the Mark IV core for free

[crystal iron]

What about...

[livid fable]

I was establishing a metaphor. the current actual free customization options are more generous than my metaphor regarding color

[crystal iron]

Infinite having playable elites?

[half abyss]

put it in mcc and then were in business

[onyx latch]

Shut up.

[half abyss]

got something to say?

[livid fable]

probably not soon

[onyx latch]

Oh wow thanks for taking so long to send that phone I really appreciate it

[livid fable]

I want to be able to play as a jackal!

[crystal iron]

I'm asking "how would you feel about that".

[half abyss]

im all ears trench

[onyx latch]

Look at the picture.

[stoic latch]

I want to play as an Unggoy

[half abyss]

oh thought you were starting beef

[onyx latch]

It explains your question.

[livid fable]

the only ability button you have is to light up both torches XD

[stoic latch]

I really wanna have a word with Glibnub

[onyx latch]

I mean I'd win so

[crystal iron]

Nah, I'd win.

No, we'd all win.

Everyone's a winner.

[half abyss]

sure whatever you say

[onyx latch]

Eh, think of it like the gender selections in modern games usually having a 'they' option.

[livid fable]

no, I'm fine with it, it's just that all three of them are they options.

[onyx latch]

Yes, that's the point.

[livid fable]

I don't mind that, but if we're going to do that, why is it an option?

[ruby knoll]

hold up

[livid fable]

on the other hand, just because I don't really care about it doesn't mean no one else does.

[ruby knoll]

what

[stoic latch]

because they is you and you is whoever you want

[livid fable]

I remember when I first was trying to customize the 10 right armor, and I wanted to know what it looked like with the other body types

[onyx latch]

I mean, I know at least one woman who claimed that Halo moving away from obnoxiously designed male/female Spartans triggered the hell out of her dysphoria, but... I'm still unconvinced that it wasn't someone larping to make fun of trans people.

[livid fable]

and I couldn't see any differences when I was moving the slider, so I had to look real close because I was trying to see the differences

[ruby knoll]

i remember that person

[livid fable]

and the reason I thought that there were differences I couldn't see is because if you went to the basic model and you did the same thing, it was hard to see all of the differences

[half abyss]

heard about a lot of female halo players being sad that they took their butts away

[ruby knoll]

explain what you mean by gender critical

[stoic latch]

I do not know Jek

[livid fable]

after about 5 minutes of tweaking the body settings I realized I was an idiot because I was looking for something that didn't exist

[onyx latch]

Still unconvinced that that was legitimately genuine. I mean, I'm not upset.

[crystal iron]

I just want weapons, assassinations, and elites(though saying that last one gonna have someone absolutely going super saiyan out of rage).

[half abyss]

nah i saw some articles couple moths after infinite released

sounds plausible but idk journalism is very sketchy nowadays

[onyx latch]

Yeah, that's a lot of why I don't believe it's genuine.

[wooden briar]

haha that is exactly what my Halo buddy felt. When we'd play H5, I must've heard her say hundreds of times "oooo my butt looks so good in this!" about her Spartan lol.

[half abyss]

howd she feel about infinite?

[onyx latch]

Either way I'm happy with Infinite's method of handling it. Spartans are plate mailed demigods, not eye candy.

[livid fable]

I also, really really don't know how to engage with people who have body image issues regarding video game characters

because I'm a 6'4 dude and I feel like Mass effect is best played as fem shep, kotor as male revan, and baldur's gate as a brain sucker.

[onyx latch]

Shouldn't matter what's behind that codpiece.

[wooden briar]

Not our personal cups of tea. We enjoyed the supersoldier/bombastic style of combat in H5, so toning it down "back to roots" is not as fun for us. But we did play the campaign just to say we did.

[onyx latch]

What's funny is that I do get those issues. Specifically because, well, they get objectified in design a ton.

[crystal iron]

Let's ask this:

[livid fable]

you mean like miranda?

that camera was pretty ridiculous

[stoic latch]

that one Marine that told chief he can have her kids

[livid fable]

always felt like I needed a shower after I did her missions

[stoic latch]

dude....

[onyx latch]

I dislike obnoxiously sexualized designs in fiction, less specifically because it makes me feel uncomfortable about myself, but uncomfortable about the game's design process.

[crystal iron]

Would you say that Kat's design or Vale's design or Linda's design(basically any female Spartan we see), are problematic?

[half abyss]

halo had a complex simplicity. it's a very (pun intended) spartanic game design. infinite KINDA returned to that which was nice

[onyx latch]

I assumed Thirt meant because of the greasiness.

[livid fable]

don't you dude me, they literally wrapped up a woman in an obnoxiously skin-tight suit and then put cameras at the most lavascious angles for basic dialogue

[onyx latch]

Yeah, it's cause of the greasiness.

[half abyss]

h5 probably is fun in its own way, but idk, it had a lot of complexities that just didnt align with what i grew up with

[wooden briar]

Yeah I'm happy for those who enjoy that style of play. In the end, I love Halo as an IP regardless of how much I enjoy any specific game.

[onyx latch]

That said, I don't know what game you mean here.

[wooden briar]

Mass Effect, my favorite narrative-driven trilogy of all time!

[crystal iron]

I think it just depends on how you portray said character. (like, it's just an aspect of their design, but it isn't having questionable camera angles at every opportunity)

[onyx latch]

Amusingly it's the closest to 2's design out of the 343 games. At least, not counting Halo 2A multiplayer.

[livid fable]

honestly, I didn't mind kat, but vale seemed.... mildly off.

[stoic latch]

I like Vale

[onyx latch]

People don't realize that 5 was not a mechanically complex game, and that always bugged me that somehow the community gaslit itself into thinking it was.

[livid fable]

Mass effect 2.

the protagonist of the game is shepherd. Shepherd can be a male or a female, and can have different backgrounds.

[half abyss]

russianbadger put it in a good way, even if he was getting stomped he knew it wasnt cause the other players had minmaxed their loadouts with sweaty metastrategies, they beat him cause they were simply better

[onyx latch]

AH

[stoic latch]

they beat me because they got gravity hammers

[half abyss]

then grab a br

[onyx latch]

But... Halo 5 only had loadouts in its BTB mode.

[half abyss]

last i checked hammers cant shoot

[wooden briar]

Mass Effect was a pioneer in delivering a fully fleshed-out story, where choices mattered significantly, characters were truly developed individuals, and many of the different main themes/moral dilemmas of sci-fi literature were worked into plotlines. It was a masterwork in showing that video games have an unmatched power to put the audience/reader in the shoes of the protagonist that a passive medium like movies or books simply cannot do.

[onyx latch]

... Also, doubling back, did you mean this in the transphobic context?

[sullen owl]

I don't think we need that answer.

[wooden briar]

Let's not stir up argumentative or non-inclusive chatter everyone.

[onyx latch]

:>

[half abyss]

I meant it in a belief that i have context. Take it however you will, i wont shove it down your throat

[wooden briar]

Let's move on to the unlimited amount of other fun things to discuss. Thanks for keeping this place welcoming, everyone!

[crystal iron]

How about we talk about elites instead? I bet everyone here would love that.

[stoic latch]

Arbiter seems like a cool dude

[crystal iron]

I agree.

[sullen owl]

Playable Arbiter campaign for Halo Infinite-er would be great.

[onyx latch]

Can I kill him with a brick yet @wooden briar

[stoic latch]

he was the only one defending hoomans in Outcasts

[onyx latch]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-brick-sponge-bob-square-pants-like-a-bag-of-bricks-like-a-ton-of-bricks-gif-4475886

[crystal iron]

Buddy, the only thing that I have ANY concern over is an apple.

[half abyss]

hAH, comedy

[wooden briar]

the brick of reality that it will never come to pass lol

[stoic latch]

sos should help in zeta halo

[wooden briar]

Not a fan of Macintosh users I see.

[crystal iron]

I've already bashed my face against a brick wall before. A singular brick means nothing to me.

Let me ask, why is a orange called a orange?

But an apple isn't called a red?

[stoic latch]

the amount of force you need to throw the brick with that much momentum in bikini bottom

[livid fable]

sorry, the last message got deleted because I'm not allowed to refer to the giant mounds of chest flesh with the four letter format.

Mass effect is typically pretty great that characterizing its character is all around, however,

there is a part where you were trying to help Miranda rescue her kid sister from human traffickers. and during the entire conversation, the camera is doing these really weird zoom ins on her giant round posterior and massive mounds of chest flesh. and it's supposed to be some kind of sympathetic or camaraderie building moment but it's all ruined by this weird creepy freaking series of angles.

[half abyss]

alright i gotta jet for now

[livid fable]

actually the color was named after the fruit

[sullen owl]

Mr. Fancy pants here in their jet. Get a jetta like the rest of us bums.

[onyx latch]

That sounds profoundly creepy.

I mean, game made for gamers, I suppose, but that's cringe as hell.

[livid fable]

it is. everything about it was awful. everything else about the game was aces.

like you know how when you're playing a game, and you see something that's just completely out of left field, and it doesn't fit, and it doesn't make sense that it's included in the game, so you do some research and you learned that it was the writer's personal.... interests?

except it wasn't the writer's interest, it was the interest of one of the publishers, because they were trying to chase certain trends?

that was that character

[onyx latch]

'Hey let's just be obnoxiously male gaze about this, I bet the player will get bored'

[wooden briar]

Then I encourage you to play the Legendary Edition. Not only did they address that exact scene, but they remastered 1 and it is an incredible--almost touching--experience to play through it again.

[onyx latch]

Thank his noodly appendages that Halo was never really that bad about it. Aside from design, at least. They never really did it with camera focus.

[livid fable]

I might do that, because I'll be honest, I don't really like that character, but that camera makes me feel sympathy for her. and I don't like that.

[onyx latch]

Isn't Miranda like, super speciesist?

[livid fable]

ehhhhhhhhhhh no

jak otoh

wait, are you talking about Ashley williams? because, yes.

[onyx latch]

Ah yeah

[wooden briar]

Do you have Game Pass? Mass Effect Legendary Edition is included. Or, it's on a steep sale this week if I'm remembering correctly. One of the greatest experiences you'll have this year. Would love to hear your take as a fellow fan!

[onyx latch]

Mass Effect was not really my jam so I get character names mixed up.

[livid fable]

she does get character progression, like, she's not just a static being, but yeah

[crystal iron]

The only Ashley Williams I care for is Ashley J. Williams of "The Evil Dead" series.

[livid fable]

typically speaking when I like a game enough to play it more than once, I just buy it instead of relying on the generosity of whoever is running the game pass program to keep it in their library until it gets canceled or deleted for some reason that makes no sense

it's part of the reason I still buy physical books. the odds of any of the books I like getting deleted are very low, but it still really weird to me that there are people running programs like that who think it's a good idea

[sullen owl]

I mean... Unless you buy it physical you're going to run into the same issue. As you just addressed. lol

[livid fable]

but this probably isn't the best place to try and have the preservation conversation

[wooden briar]

I'm the same! Well just checked on xbox.com: it's only $9 right now

[stoic latch]

I like physical books but the kindle is so much better

[livid fable]

there are alternatives but those are also not welcome to be discussed here, even when legal.

[crystal iron]

I think a live service Halo could definitely work out great if executed right. (not saying Infinite is/was bad)

[wooden briar]

I should do a code giveaway sometime of Attorney's Picks games: plant the seeds of profound game experiences.

[stoic latch]

I wish Infinite had something like Spartan Ops

[sullen owl]

It would need to have a proper well laid out roadmap that doesn't change due to market whims or management changing hands.

Spartan Ops was poor, but the idea was neat. Definitely could have been done way better in future installments.

[stoic latch]

10 episodes of CGI stuff

[livid fable]

I will say that Spartan ops got better overtime

but those first couple of missions were awful

[sullen owl]

Second half after they had first half feedback was decent.

[crystal iron]

Yeah, Spartan Ops could be awesome.

[livid fable]

I was playing command and conquer Tiberian Sun today

look quality of that games cinematics, voice acting, production value in general, excellent.

"oh boy, the covenant are attacking! red team, are you ready red team? hey, Palmer praised you! Palmer never praises anybody! good job red team!"

[crystal iron]

Honestly, they could take the Operations system, have in-game playable story content(like a mini DLC of sorts), and then that could work great.

[livid fable]

like how do I kill my own operations manager

I don't think they went with the first take

I think they went with the practice take.

that's the only thing I can think of that justifies that voice acting.

[crystal iron]

There is good potential with the idea.

[livid fable]

I mean isn't that Halo's catchphrase?

[sullen owl]

Halo: Good potential with the idea.

That'll be Halo Infinite-er.

[livid fable]

I think anyone who says the idea doesn't have potential is nuts at best

[half abyss]

Halo negative 1

[livid fable]

........ I mean I guess Halo reach is a Halo zero

[onyx latch]

The problem with Infinite is that you can't keep up a live game like this without the teams of people that competition has.

[livid fable]

. . . you know I'm honestly surprised they never went with that, given that the zero is a circle

[onyx latch]

Like, 343's comparatively understaffed

[stoic latch]

that is why they are hiring

[onyx latch]

Meanwhile CoD has entire studios dedicated entirely to churning out support for CoD's pipeline

That are BIGGER THAN 343 by an OoM

[half abyss]

whats going on with cod btw

[livid fable]

careful, people get touchy about talking about resource distribution

[half abyss]

how are they doing? they eatin good?

[stoic latch]

COD can release a camapigned game every year and 343 with MICROSOFT's backing can't

[onyx latch]

Yes.

[onyx latch]

Because they literally are not allotted the resources to do that.

CoD cuts corners, sure, but they also have the structuring designed entirely around that exact situation. They rotate workload.

[half abyss]

management issues in 343 is an understatement

[livid fable]

technically speaking Microsoft could pay me a dollar every month and I would be backed by microsoft, but it wouldn't mean I could make a game competitive with, well, call of duty

[onyx latch]

Not talking about 343's resource management internally.

I'm talking about their support and external handling.

[livid fable]

given that all financial situations of this nature are currently guess work at best, I don't think it's exactly constructive to try and figure out who is at fault when and where.

[stoic latch]

it's not even competing anyway since Halo has a way cooler story

did the playerbase even increase when the show came out

[onyx latch]

It isn't constructive, but then we're consumers.

[livid fable]

it's not about it being constructive.

[half abyss]

still i feel like theres just too many fumbles in almost every department

[livid fable]

I believe that destructive conversation can be important, but you have to know where to direct it. and I just don't think that currently, we know where to direct that.

[onyx latch]

Well, 5 kinda broke their back. It has so many parallels to Halo 2 in so many ways that it's genuinely infuriating that people don't understand that.

[livid fable]

that's all a conspiracy theory trench

[onyx latch]

Mmmmmmmm

[livid fable]

please understand that I do not mean what I just now said literally, that is sarcasm in the extreme

[ruby lake]

tinfoil hat moment

[half abyss]

you can argue the blame is on some staff members more than others in both 343 and MS but like. At this point they oought to have wised up a little ya know

[onyx latch]

Lmao, fair, almost fell for it.

[stoic latch]

didn't people complain about artwork change 343 did

[onyx latch]

I mean, if Microsoft keeps shooting down every damn idea you have that isn't a sequel, you kinda can't grow.

[half abyss]

yeah i was one of em

[stoic latch]

also some bungie or 343 dev said microsoft pushed down a Helldivers style Halo game

[onyx latch]

And a Reach sabre style game.

[half abyss]

granted i like infinites look, dont get me wrong. lighting engine could use some work but thats it

[onyx latch]

I don't want another damn artstyle debate. I'm so damn sick of artstyle debates.

[ruby lake]

idc what art style halo has