#halo-discussion

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jovial needle
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okay but AI on top of moving Spider platforms was pretty crazy backthen

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esp with Halos physics, It was an impressive accoplishment

ruby knoll
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....how

agile lodge
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I’ll fight 5 scarabs before I I fight heretic and Tartarus

ruby lake
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i wish i had image perms

jovial needle
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wdym how do you know anything about older games? lmao cant even have someone stand on your car in GTA 5 without them sliding off

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let alone a fricken massive spider with AI walking around all over it

magic night
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That's not a physics limitation. If anything, that's the opposite

jovial needle
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its usually an engine limitation back then

magic night
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Older GTA games let you have AI on top of moving vehicles because they didn't physically simulate a lot of stuff

jovial needle
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well they didnt really work back then either unless you went slow

magic night
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They worked

jovial needle
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not really

ruby knoll
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entities on a moving platform truly bungy is next level

jovial needle
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that wasnt that easy of a thing to do back then

agile lodge
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MGSPW had you board a Metal gear and there were enemies on top of it you had to fight in order for you to effectively damage to Metal gear I think

ruby knoll
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next you'll tell me they managed to make a mediocre barebones map editor too

magic night
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Sounds like you don't know all too much about game physics to be commenting on this stuff

agile lodge
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It’s been awhile since I played that game tho.

agile lodge
ruby knoll
agile lodge
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People were very creative, just like they were with far cry instincts map editor.

ruby knoll
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older games had better map editors
games with far less funding have better map editors

ruby knoll
agile lodge
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But people managed to do that and bungie released more stuff with it for halo 3 mythic.

agile lodge
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Halo 3 and Far Cry Instincts map editors were good. But the forge that came later with the respective series were a lot better

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Even timesplitters had a great map editor too.

ruby knoll
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halo 3 forge isn't close to far cry's editor

agile lodge
ruby knoll
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you want to know what a good editor looks like? Warcraft 3's editor is right there

agile lodge
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Amongst other stuff I can’t remember.

ruby knoll
agile lodge
agile lodge
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So you can essentially make maps until they crash your Xbox.

ruby knoll
agile lodge
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Rarely tho

ruby knoll
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bungie was chasing trends

agile lodge
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I can’t think of anything besides far cry and timesplitters.

agile lodge
ruby knoll
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you mean it had a map editor? again, nothing new

smoky forge
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A lot of what Halo did wasn't completely new, they just did it really well in a polished package.
Aim assist, dual stick aiming / moving, regenerating health / shields, etc.
You don't have to completely invent every piece to still put them together into something neat.
H3's forge wasn't the first or best map editor, but it was easy(ish) to use and combined with Theater and File Share for a very intuitive and useful way to share maps, screenshots, and gametypes without having to use an external tool

ruby knoll
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stapling it all together with a decent ui was good for sure

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it offered an all in one solution built on xbl

onyx latch
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I can't imagine being so happy with Bungie being so damn close-minded that they thought their fanbase was only interested in a map editor and not a map maker.

That's damning them with faint praise, if anything.

smoky forge
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Whether or not that makes it novel or revolutionary in your opinion doesn't change the fact that it was almost certainly the first map editor that many gamers got their hands on and made an impression on a lot of people. Stuff like Starcraft's map editor was miles ahead of anything you could cludge together in H3's forge, especially with the vanilla maps ( which STILL do not have any forge pieces that can be phased to this day)

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but Starcraft's map editor was also not nearly as intuitive to use and was way less accessible IMO.
I spent ages making pretty maps that played terribly, and was in awe at someof the minigames people scripted up in Starcraft. They had a lot of fauna running around though

ruby knoll
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let me put it this way, i attribute forge's success more to the community than to forge for h3

smoky forge
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For sure

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Forge wasn't even initially intended to be a map maker, just a way to shuffle around weapon / vehicle spawns

ruby knoll
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also i exaggerate my positions a lot. In actuality i think h3/reach forge, while limited, were fine. Not bad, and perfectly usable

smoky forge
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As evidenced by the fact that you still, to this day, cannot easily block the doors in Valhalla, the gate in High Ground, or the sea wall in Last Resort

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The hoops you had to jump through the phase two scenery pieces mid-air in H3 Foundry were astounding. I cannot believe how much effort people went through making stuff like racetracks of floating pieces

onyx latch
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Considering the gross exaggeration that tends to go on with talking about things people are nostalgic about.

smoky forge
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It was like hold the piece where you want it, save and quit. Come back, set it to NOT spawn at start, but like 90seconds later. Then start a new round, then get your new piece where you wanted it, hoping that it lined up with the piece that was about to spawn in, save and quit, reload, wait for the piece to spawn in, change it to spawn at start

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repeat that process for every. single. piece. that you wanted phased and floating

ruby knoll
smoky forge
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It is why I firmly believe that no Halo should release without forge. Even if custom games aren't the priority for most players, having those tools in the hands of the most number of people, as early as possible, leads to more innovation that can retain players

ruby knoll
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ideally forge would have been there at the start but i don't think 343 wanted to release without it

onyx latch
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My thing is like

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I wonder what was so drastically wrong with Infinite Forge, on launch, that it was kept out of people's hands for a year.

onyx latch
smoky forge
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Given the number of bugs that persist with scripting, I am sure there was a lot. The scripting is super fun and powerful, despite some rough edges.
Releasing without scripting, and just a map editor, would still have been worth it IMO.
Just having a simplified forge for remaking old maps, making new maps, and creating minigames day 1 might have helped player retention

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but making a temporary, incomplete product and then having to support all the things people made with it long term is a nightmare

onyx latch
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I think promoting more positive youtuber connections would likely also help. Having recalled most of the crop that were originally promoted on launch, it was uh... Kind of a bad call with some of those choices.

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A modern franchise benefits from a strong and positive youtube presence. I'd certainly call Halo's youtube presence strong, but I would not call it positive.

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And I really hate being the guy who's saying that. I don't think that's immediately obvious.

smoky forge
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Maybe? Infinite got a huge population spike, so advertising worked.
There was a lack of continually engaging content IMO.
A lack of maps, missing classic gametypes, controversial changes to some modes (BTB Asymmetric pelicans drops eh)
Customs were broken (I couldn't make basic weapon options and save the gametype... no equipment spawns either)
Controversial challenge system and limited selection of playlists,
Lack of global progression

I think a huge amount of youtube negativity focused on those things (and campaign)
An unpolished release will inevitably invoke ire

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Halo, for better or worse, has a mountain of passionate Fans that will scream loudly if a new game releases without their favorite features. I do not envy 343's task of trying to innovate while preserving the Legacy

glacial tartan
smoky forge
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Forge did not release until a year after Infinite's MP did. TrenchBird was wondering what it took so long. H5's forge released about a month after H5 did.

agile lodge
ruby knoll
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consoles have been effectively PCs for a while

agile lodge
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Dual stick aiming too, as goldeneye that came before had some pretty funky controls. Halo CE just perfected the control scheme.

agile lodge
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And as far as I’m aware, halo and far cry are the only fps games with map editors.

last dust
agile lodge
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Map editors in games are underrated these past few console generations

agile lodge
last dust
agile lodge
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Yeah

civic sundial
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Regenerating health also predates Combat Evolved too. I can't remember the name of the game but it came out a few years before

agile lodge
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But there wasn’t any other game really utilizing as a gameplay mechanic

last dust
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honestly CE was mainly groundbreaking for its massive levels and overall sense of scale. no one had seen a game with levels of magnitude like that before

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like that games world felt so big. so alive.

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the impressive enemy AI helped too

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made encounters so much fun

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but anything else Halo did was iterating on previously established things, but its iterations became the standard.

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there's people to this day who think CE invented dual analog controls for console shooters

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even tho Alien Resurrection did it before Halo did

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Medal of Honor had it too

agile lodge
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Alien resurrection is a ps1 game tho

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They didn’t have dual analog stick

neat cove
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hey on halo mcc which actions can be mapped to the same button as another action?

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like how the action and reload actions can both be mapped to x

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or how dual wield and swap weapon can both be mapped to y

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or how zoom and secondary reload can be mapped together

last dust
neat cove
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is there something like that for night vision and flashlight?

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trying to declutter my controller layout

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and the dpad movement for ce is annoying

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i have to bind them but its getting in the way of the other binds

last dust
vast nova
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Halo CE Can use D Pad for movement?

thorn sierra
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Summaries of all the halo games i played
CE: nostalgia is hitting me like a truck AAA
Halo 2: why everything has scopes for the love of god
Halo 3: Beautiful ending
Halo 4: press E to beat the crap out of this guy
Reach: everyone died womp womp
Halo 3 Odst: epic exploration simulation

jagged crescent
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Can the new ultimate reward coating go on mk v (b)?

vast nova
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Halo = Marathon... Maybe

civic sundial
civic sundial
vast nova
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oh

jagged crescent
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Oh nice

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Also what visor would be more accurate for Jerome? Noble or vandal

vast nova
last dust
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2 can also be summed up with: oops! all sniper jackals!

uneven bison
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And infinite is just hallway simulator

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Not hallway fighting just hallway

jagged crescent
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Killing spree is 5 kills without dying right

vast nova
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here's mine H1: The start of a Big Journey H2: Melee But Halo, H3: The Game that looks like it doesnt need a Remake, Reach: Not All Stories have a Happy ending:The Game Halo 4/Infinitne :Crashlo Cheificoot H5: Barf game 3 ODST: Halo 2.5

young glen
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"nfinitne :Crashlo Cheificoot "

Say again?

smoky forge
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Halo CE: Come for the open areas, stay for the endless hallways. Also to boldly go where you've already gone, but with flood this time.
Halo 2: Everything, everywhere, elevators. Also bad boss fights.
Halo 3: Short & Sweet & Stumped Story
ODST: batman to H3's bruce.
Reach: Wait this isn't how the books went?
Halo 4: STOP TELEPORTING AWAY AND FIGHT ME, oh wait I'm out of ammo
Halo 5: Warden't you know it, its this boss again
Halo Infinite: Remember Halo CE level 2, Halo? DO you!? We'll now there's brutes.

neat cove
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can zoom or armor ability be bound alongside another button?

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what about swap nades?

vast nova
uneven bison
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Crash bandicoot

neat cove
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the binds for halo mcc are annoying

vast nova
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Does bungie have nods to Halo in Destiny

smoky forge
# last dust 2 can also be summed up with: oops! all sniper jackals!

The jackal snipers were annoying, but there were MANY egregious difficulty spikes on Legendary that weren't just Snipers. The beginning of Gravemind... several other places in Gravemind. The bossfights were pretty bad IMO. Even just bugger swarms would insta-wreck you. the TTK was so high that you had to spend a lot of time playing hide and noobcombo

young glen
neat cove
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does no one know?

smoky forge
agile lodge
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They’re really boring to play through imo.

neat cove
agile lodge
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They weren’t shooting galleries like 4/Reach

neat cove
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the most fun i had was odst/4/5/reach

agile lodge
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They just littered the map with cannon fodder enemies

neat cove
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the best ones being odst and 5

agile lodge
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And the level design is so trash too

smoky forge
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I don't have any problems with Reach. Having one enemy faction to fight the whole game gets a bit stale, but it is broken up by big set pieces like Long Night of Solace.
H4 is... rough. Weapons despawn fast, Prometheans are intentionally annoying to fight

neat cove
agile lodge
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Halo 5’s combat is probably the worst of them all

neat cove
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seriously how?

agile lodge
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Idk how you can like that( you just have enemies that can hone in projectiles at you because you have Spartan abilities

neat cove
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i swear thats my all time favorite game the combat and story was peak

agile lodge
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Not to mention the combat in that game isn’t fun at all, you’re still fighting prometheand which are objectively the most boring and unfun enemies to fight in halo

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The story was lame

neat cove
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noble 6 > locke > rookie > chief

agile lodge
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Making Cortana evil was the cherry on top

neat cove
agile lodge
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I guess you like what you like

neat cove
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covenant enemies are boring

balmy wedge
neat cove
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unless its like odst or reach

neat cove
silent lion
neat cove
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maybe im just glad that we didnt have to chief much tbh

silent lion
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darn

balmy wedge
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Okay, your takes are spicy and I've seen people pretend just to get reactions. I honestly think it's sick that they fulfilled a scrapped concept that Combat Evolved played with, and I really enjoyed the way Infinite worked with it too.

neat cove
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the poster boy of the franchise is like my main issue with halo

silent lion
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,_,

neat cove
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master chief as a character is just a mary sue

agile lodge
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Halo 5’s story and setting was really bad though. The writing was superfluous and corny. The gameplay was boring, you had to have enemies get buffer or having honing weapons to account for your Spartan abilities and that made it super unfun, you fight the warden like 7 times, and overall that game was lame.

agile lodge
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He’s just a vessel for the player, nothing more. Say a few cool lines and that’s it. All we need.

neat cove
jagged crescent
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Does a double kill count for the ultimate challenge

neat cove
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personally i feel like noble 6 and rookie were better written

inner wave
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We need an open world game that's more of a Elder Scrolls type play more then the open world Halo we got instead.

agile lodge
onyx latch
agile lodge
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You’re trolling.

whole summit
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Even thou i never played Halo 5 I still prefer Locke > Chief not Joking

neat cove
inner wave
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Your own custome Spartan that you can customize like Noble 6. But you can loot the outposts, enemy's, and other mia Spartans.

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We need that kind of game by now

agile lodge
neat cove
onyx latch
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Halo 3’s story and setting was really bad though. The writing was superfluous and corny. The gameplay was boring, you had to have enemies get mulched all the time or having invulnerability to account for your barely conscious micro and that made it super unfun, you fight nearly static scarabs like 7 times, and overall that game was lame.

agile lodge
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Even the Spartans in reach had more character development than Osiris

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And that game followed charactures.

neat cove
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seriously both were hyperlethal and noble 6 actually felt human

onyx latch
agile lodge
onyx latch
inner wave
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I'm so disappointed with Locke's entire team tbh.. I didn't expect Buck to be a Spartan.

agile lodge
inner wave
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But Locke's death in infinite did make me sad though. He could've been such a cooler character.

onyx latch
onyx latch
agile lodge
neat cove
inner wave
onyx latch
onyx latch
agile lodge
onyx latch
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Sure thing, Bungie fanboy.

neat cove
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well 6 now ig but inifinite is a questionable game

agile lodge
inner wave
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I'ma bout to go through the entire Tower boss fight all over again just to see the dead Spartan. I could've sworn it was Locke.

agile lodge
coarse dagger
onyx latch
agile lodge
inner wave
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I believe y'all it's just I gotta refresh my memory apparently. Could've sworn I heard The Weapon say his name and the tortured spartan was black.

onyx latch
inner wave
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Oooooooh

agile lodge
coarse dagger
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Hudson Griffin

onyx latch
inner wave
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I loved the Halo Wars Games

agile lodge
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Or Spartan assault or strike lmao.

onyx latch
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Honestly have more fun randomly playing them than 3. Not ODST though.

neat cove
agile lodge
agile lodge
onyx latch
agile lodge
inner wave
onyx latch
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Nah, I'm cool as a cucumber.

neat cove
agile lodge
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I liked it but it’s not my preferred genre.

agile lodge
inner wave
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RTS games were never my thing lol. But Atleast now I can say I've played every single Halo game.

agile lodge
inner wave
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Including Spartan Runner and Spartan Firefight lol

agile lodge
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Just everything from reach onwards just gets a bit iffy for me.

inner wave
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I love Spartan Firefight

onyx latch
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No way, really?

agile lodge
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That’s when the quality of halo games started to swell down

neat cove
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rts > shooter imo

onyx latch
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I couldn't tell that's where the cutoff was for you, crazy!

agile lodge
inner wave
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I never liked Halo 5.. but I recently started replaying it again and it was slightly better then I remembered..

onyx latch
vast nova
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does the OG Halo 3 have Lan Co op

neat cove
agile lodge
inner wave
agile lodge
agile lodge
onyx latch
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I do have criticisms for 4/5/Infinite, but man, it's hard to bring them up when people highlight their rose tinted goggles in neon arrows.

agile lodge
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Plus I didn’t like the fact bungie tried to make campaign, MP, and firefight maps all at the same time

inner wave
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I know people love it but I never liked Halo 2... Like the cutscenes are amazing and beautiful and I just absolutely loved them.. but the actual gameplay was kinda boring for me..

agile lodge
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Really ruined it. That’s why they opted for forge created maps but even then it’s all the same since it’s set on forge world with grey forerunner structures.

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Custom games was fire tho.

agile lodge
agile lodge
inner wave
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I played it on every difficulty but I never once enjoyed it honestly...

agile lodge
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The only 343 game I’m nostalgic for is halo 4, it had a pretty bad multiplayer but it was still fun.

onyx latch
inner wave
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And the flood levels were too over the top for me..

onyx latch
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Truly, your opinion that you spew unto these divine forums is unbiased and free of taint.

agile lodge
inner wave
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I never really liked Halo 4/5 but I do really enjoy Infinite.

agile lodge
inner wave
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I think Halo infinite is a close fourth place for me..

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Right behind ODST and CE.

agile lodge
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Infinite is an improvement. But there’s still something about it that just really doesn’t sit well with me

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The art style is kind of back but the dynamic lighting and all the special effects make the game look atrocious.

onyx latch
agile lodge
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The maps all play like competitive killboxes like Halo 5’s

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And the weapons absolutely destroy the vehicle sandbox in that game. They’re so weak.

inner wave
# onyx latch

I don't get the point in the clip but the game does look beautiful.

agile lodge
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I also didn’t like the fact that you had to pay for armor coatings

onyx latch
agile lodge
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The fact I have to pay 20 dollars for an all white skin is crazy.

inner wave
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I'm sorry if that came out rude I just honestly dont understand the point.

agile lodge
inner wave
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I enjoyed Spartan ops lol

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I enjoy every bit of every Halo game in one way or another it's just some games I don't have a single problem with. With like Reach, ODST, and CE.

onyx latch
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I find that very hard to believe.

inner wave
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What part?

onyx latch
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The 'don't have a single problem with' part.

inner wave
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Oh

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Well I might have like 1 or 2 problems with maybe ODST and maybe 1 with CE but other then that I can't think of any

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Im sorry if I sound stupid or incompetent that's just from what I can remember at the moment

onyx latch
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Nah, I just prefer people being careful with how they dictate and narrate their opinions.

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No harm, no foul.

inner wave
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Yea I'm sorry. I honestly do have no problems with Halo Reach from what I can think of.. and the only one I can think of is about the community and not the game itself.

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Except for Jackals.. but I dont count that since I hate Jackals in every Halo game..

onyx latch
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I mean, from a longer view perspective, that's my biggest issue with the whole franchise, is the fanbase. Too many recalcitrant recidivistic pearl-clutching gatekeeper types.

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It's actively stifled the growth of the franchise more than once.

inner wave
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Yea. And I hate the constant glazing of Noble 6.. just give the man a break.

agile lodge
void sage
agile lodge
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343 tried to experiment and didn’t do well for them

inner wave
void sage
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Legendary especially

onyx latch
# agile lodge The growth got the franchise to where it is now

Yes, I agree, the fanbase being stubbornly resistant to change and completely incapable of expressing an appreciation for even attempting the evolution of the game to fit Halo's original ideals of following, incorporating, and condensing trends into an effective and capable franchise, even at the point of crippling future growth, has truly done a number on the franchise.

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I wish that they would be more willing to accept an approach that wasn't so regressive, but unfortunately, the path of the luddite and the nostalgic calls to many as an appealing option.

inner wave
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I enjoy with what 343 is doing with Halo now. I wasn't to happy with 4/5 but I am genuinely happy with the hard turn they took with Infinite

void sage
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I hope to not interrupt but yes I would agree that some of the ideas have not been the best, the Forerunners (forgot how to spell) haven’t really had a complete story and seem to come out of nowhere. But they are learning experiences so to not repeat again. Once again, sorry to interrupt and not have as much knowledge but I agree.

onyx latch
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I don't think you're interrupting anything, it's an open message forum. You could go on and on about how unfair multiplayer is and nobody can stop you.

inner wave
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It's ok you're not interrupting. But yea the Forerunner have not gotten the story they deserve.. also we need the flood back no matter how much I hate them.

onyx latch
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Well, not nobody, but it's allowed provided you're like, not going too crazy.

void sage
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Thank you

void sage
inner wave
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We didn't even get a flood Easter egg in the campaign.. or not from what I've found.

void sage
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Yeah, haven’t found any Easter eggs of the flood either.

full warren
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Hmm either wating to play on terriable american servers or 5 mins wait time, this slow dead is killing me

void sage
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I just sit and watch memes till the match starts if that helps?

full warren
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its because its the promoted play lsit

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I mean yes because every mode is like ranked you either play your best or lose

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Everyone I see is like diamond in my BTB game

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omg just give me a game.... waiting in multiple queues and getting nothing

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what a joke, after all that game I join a 12 man stack BTB game midway through

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Why is this even allowed is so stupid 12 man stack vs 12 single players

full nova
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are u able to play halo 3 at all online

vast nova
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360? some parts yeah but not all

knotty ermine
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I love when forge crashes everytime I leave. don't you?

sour marlin
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Sad idk what happened but i can't Halo anymore

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I can't shoot and aim like i used to on controller or MK, i can only drive good

worn iron
worn iron
inner wave
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Oh cool!

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Where was it?

worn iron
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Forget which level specifically but there's a cyclix towards the end of the game with an infection form

inner wave
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Oh that's cool

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So is it like an actual enemy?

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Or just a plushie of the form?

balmy wedge
balmy wedge
# inner wave So is it like an actual enemy?

In lore? Yes. Though it's just a pod with the design of a flood infection form under high security, so fundamentally similar to the plushie where it's nothing more than a cameo.

inner wave
worn iron
balmy wedge
inner wave
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I loved Banjo and Kazooie. I grew up playing that along with Pokemon snap and Kirby for the N64

balmy wedge
balmy wedge
inner wave
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I loved Perfect Dark

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I have the Rare Replay collection

balmy wedge
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Ayyy! A coworker let me have his Xbox since he had one of the newer models so I've been going through Rare Replay. Perfect Dark was so ahead of its time. Feels amazing.

inner wave
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I only have hateful memories of me and my brothers on the Banjo-Tooie multiplayer 😭
That was worse than Reach Multiplayer with my brothers 😭

balmy wedge
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Not for me, Tooie's multiplayer is one of the most fun experiences I've ever had just from the variety of what you could do.
A "friend" in middle school (he was the kid who'd make friends so he could play their video games) asked me to bring my Xbox to his house for a birthday to play Halo... Only for him to get yelled at by his Mom for playing a shooter that some kids at the party weren't allowed to play.

Thank goodness I had a Tooie's shooter that everyone can play.

woeful hull
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can anyone tell me what the weekly reward is?? I dont have access to my xbox atm

worn iron
vivid heath
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Why do people hate Halo Infinite so much? >.<

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I assume that because only 5 people picked the halo infinite role it says

quartz shell
craggy wadi
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it is not just halo infinite - matchmaking needs more pop

quartz shell
# quartz shell I'll list all the things fans complain about regarding Infinite

-Being announced as a live service
-Delaying coop and Forge to post launch
-Announcing that colors would be paywalled
-Releasing with very little content
-Dividing armors into cores, with a lack of cross core at release
-Lackluster campaign
-Lack of campaign DLC
-Overpriced shop items
-SBMM
-Prioritizing customization
-Cancelling the multiplayer story
-Lack of new weapons and vehicles
-Cancelling the seasons

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And I think that's about it

white birch
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Thats the most common ones.
Oh, also the TV show

crystal iron
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Ok I'm at 156 MS on this round

finite river
crystal iron
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That was possibly the worst firefight match ever, has like 156-180 ms and most of my shots didn't even do damage to the enemies

inland minnow
agile lodge
vivid heath
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The only reason why I'd see you too wanna pay for a game would be too reduce cheaters. But it's not fair imo, because there will still always be cheaters.

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Is what happened too the cycle the frontier when they made it free

prisma mason
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My life and kingdom to update the hydra so that it doesn't fire mildly concussive nerf darts

shrewd aspen
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"there was a problem with the dedicated server" 4x in a row

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I guess I only get one round of new BTB

clear cedar
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I legit had the worst ever session of Halo infinite in my life, nonstop lagfests, rattiest lobbies on the planet, AFKs galore on my team and only my team

glad kelp
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Damn

analog geyser
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halo 5 is the best halo games ever

coarse dagger
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Definitely a great game - I really enjoyed playing Husky Raid, Castle Wars and Roaming King. RK is probably one of my favorite ever modes

last dust
left snow
# analog geyser halo 5 is the best halo games ever

It was awesome.

The MP was one of my favourites. I agree they went a bit too far with spartan charge though.

The Campaign was interesting. I was so disappointed the first time I played through. But just before Infinite I played it again to complete it on Legendary. The story was a lot better when taken away from the pre-game hype. Some of the chatter with Blue team was grating. And the Warden - for the 50th time - urgh.

Forge was great.

topaz tartan
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I loved the tone of the campaign: cold war style guerilla fighting. This isn't the war we once knew, and as soon as we think we're on even footing, we get pushed up against a wall. Halo Infinite is the uNSC on the back foot again, our ships are being taken down but by the Banished! Not the covenant they look nothing like the covenant even though a lot of their enemies look shockingly similar to og covenant enemies. It's a return to form, but you can't deny it feels very samy to the covenant at times.

Plus, if they just darkened the elite's colour, pushed the mandibles back in, I'd have an elite design I'd be proud to call one of my favourites. It'd mix Reach's design with a brute, making them feel like a bull: Agile and deadly, to be respected but to also be defeated.

If the story had a bit of tweaking, to give Fireteam Osiris a better reason to go after Blue Team (instead of BT going "nuh uh" to "come home" maybe they directly interfered with an ONI plot to help the Arbiter or something, forcing the UNSC's hand) and give Cortana a little bit more instability to show "hey, she says she's cured but she kinda broke her mind trying to fix the galaxy". Give her a bit more of that villainy we saw in Infinite. She wants to let John be by her side but she can't let him run rampant, so then the final act plays out similarly. the Infinity runs until they find a way to fight.

If 343 did a little bit of tweaking to the artstyle, the AI, and the extreme performance preservers (I do not need to run at 120 fps only to see a grunt going at 12), we could've had a great 1st entry to a different kind of halo saga.

misty vale
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Or, they had the strange expectation that a for profit company would not drive profit through a curated, controlled, money printer

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jade iron
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still think odst has the best atmosphere, at least in the rookie sections when youre walking around the city

onyx latch
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See, I know it's just the 'haha funny thoughts of what could've been', but that's something that could've been legitimately on the table if we were taking the fight to the Created instead.

agile lodge
magic night
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I don't remember any fiasco

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And expecting any multiplayer game to launch without microtransactions nowadays is pretty much saying you don't want post-launch support.

misty vale
ruby knoll
agile lodge
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magic night
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Have any figures to show that?

agile lodge
ruby knoll
agile lodge
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Look at them cancelling seasons with smaller updates, the focus isn’t halo infinite anymore and Microsoft said that it was a failure too

magic night
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I don't see any direct cause and effect relationship between that and microtransactions

agile lodge
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The live service of the game killed it

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Or lack there of

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Instead they decided to focus more attention on the store and it backfired on them hard

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Again I don’t think anyone asked for a free to play halo game, I know I didn’t.

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Hopefully with their next halo game they can actually feature something that’s complete at launch and doesn’t feel like it wants my wallet.

last dust
# agile lodge Yeah and it’s crap

how did you feel about expansion packs back in the day? Blue Shift and Opposing Force for Half Life, the expansions for Quake 1 and 2, etc. technically that'd be considered post launch monetization

agile lodge
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Great cause I got what I paid for.

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It segregates the community sure, but those had a release schedule and expansions were often quite good.

ruby knoll
ruby knoll
ruby knoll
last dust
agile lodge
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The problem with live service is that they purposefully drip feed you content to keep the player invested but can’t even do that right with its slow release schedules, some seasons were 6 months apart

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That’s why they opted for operations which are smaller.

agile lodge
agile lodge
last dust
agile lodge
ruby knoll
agile lodge
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343 just said screw it and decided to just release community made forge maps for their map releases.

onyx latch
ruby knoll
agile lodge
misty vale
last dust
onyx latch
agile lodge
agile lodge
onyx latch
glacial tartan
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The problem you're going to run into is that if 343 didnt explicitly say "this was a forge community creation" then you might not even be able to tell it was made in forge.

agile lodge
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Forge is the backbone of custom games not matchmaking. Create quality dev made maps, but they can’t even do that since they make their maps into competitive killboxes.

glacial tartan
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You can admit forge and what the community can create with it is impressive while also saying you wish 343 themselves were putting time into map creation rather than leaning on the community to do it. Its a fair criticism, but you sabotage yourself with your approach.

agile lodge
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Competitive culture for halo is ruining multiplayer imo.

ruby knoll
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cOmPeTiTiV

onyx latch
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I think that's the one sane thing you've said in the past 24 hours.

agile lodge
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Otherwise halo reach all over again.

glacial tartan
ruby knoll
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halo mp shouldn't have been pvp if people didn't want it to be competitive

onyx latch
agile lodge
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Halo Reach had to depend on forge created maps because of the lack of map variety and most of the maps sucked.

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That was lame, it made all the maps look the same cause of the drawn out grey forerunner structures, and the same setting of being on a halo ring.

misty vale
onyx latch
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Mmmmmmmm

glacial tartan
agile lodge
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Forge shouldn’t be back backbone of matchmaking though

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Because it incentivizes the devs to not create quality dev made maps

glacial tartan
last dust
agile lodge
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No matter how good a forge map is, it’s still a forge map.

glacial tartan
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Thats a genuine question, I dont play the game so I'm uneducated

agile lodge
signal ivy
agile lodge
signal ivy
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it's not like they just download it off file share and throw it in

ruby knoll
agile lodge
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Halo’s multiplayer was created for a casual audience, with enough leeway for a competitive scene

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Bungie never had intentions to make it a competitive shooter first.

ruby knoll
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whatever marketing woo woo buzzword nonsense devs might say is irrelevant

signal ivy
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that's the whole point of MP. Competing against another team lol

last dust
onyx latch
last dust
onyx latch
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Oh right, that just happened.

misty vale
ruby knoll
glacial tartan
ruby knoll
last dust
misty vale
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No, you can't.

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it's annoying for people like me who play other games the aiming in this game, especially sniping, is wonky

ruby knoll
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if we're throwing everyone into the matchmaking hopper, you're going to get players who want to win the match

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if people don't want that i think poking around cgb or playing a cooperative mode like firefight are good options

last dust
# ruby knoll my point is more, the nature of the game is that there are two or more teams, wi...

yes, and my point is that a game being pvp doesnt necessarily make it competitive. ill use another game as an example. star wars battlefront 2(the classic one, not the EA one). technically yes its "competitive" in the sense that its pvp, but no one online really takes matches THAT seriously, and any time i play its just people casually playing and having fun. winning while it is the objective, isnt the focus. when you FOCUS on winning, thats when a game is truly competitive.

ruby knoll
last dust
misty vale
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in a competitive shooter, a players inputs would be unadulterated, and there would also not be a system to normalize the input precision. This system is like if they let people who had played soccer their entire lives in flip flops play in the MLS with flip flops, but becuase flip flops are worse than soccer cleats there is a new ball which increases their accuracy on shots.

It's deeply unserious.

last dust
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yeah customs is good too

ruby knoll
misty vale
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I get all that

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but it's still not a serious competitive shooter, and fans don't want it to be!

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We're agreeing

last dust
misty vale
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aim matters!

glacial tartan
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I want there to be a competitive aspect 😄

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I also want there to be action sack and a silly/fun playlist!

signal ivy
misty vale
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Husky Raid owns

onyx latch
glacial tartan
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But I guess I'm not a real fan

last dust
onyx latch
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Because winning, or at least tieing, is the best part about fighting other people.

last dust
misty vale
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I think the best part about playing other people is making insanely fancy plays on them

onyx latch
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But yet

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We'd be thrown in the same match, and I'd be annoyed if you weren't doing anything.

ruby knoll
onyx latch
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Well, more annoyed at myself for not doing more, most likely, because I only ever get annoyed at myself, but still.

ruby knoll
scarlet lotus
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Why does the BHM coating look awesome on Yoroi core but ugly on everything else?

agile lodge
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But it didn’t, we barely got any content. They only managed to get the game to what should’ve been a shippable state at launch,

agile lodge
# ruby knoll halo's pvp is competitive by nature, being pvp

PvP doesn’t always equal competitive. Casual multiplayer exists and that’s what halo is about. There can’t be a competitive scene if the multiplayer itself didn’t lend itself to it, again, bungie didn’t have any intentions for it to be a competitive shooter but it just did cause the multiplayer systems were deep enough for it.

ruby knoll
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casual vs competitive is 99% player mindset

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whatever marketing buzzwords doesn't change that pvp is inherently competitive

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coarse dagger
coarse dagger
glacial tartan
knotty ermine
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was there an update in infinite just now?

coarse dagger
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Don't believe so

knotty ermine
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huh. I just got one on steam

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533.1 MB

glacial tartan
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(I cant embed but there ya go)

knotty ermine
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aw no fix on the consistent crashes on forge. dang

quartz shell
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The new BTB maps are already out right?
So what's making the patch update on Infinite that heavy?????

ruby knoll
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replacing assets? future content prep?

smoky forge
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Forge maps are generally pretty small file sizes. All the assets are already there, you just have a list of object indexes, their positions, scale, rotation, physics settings, coloration, and labels. All of that is small. New forge maps added to matchmaking doesn't even need an update.

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The list of files that are larger than 100mB in the update mostly includes files ending with "rtx-new.module_hd1"

quartz shell
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Hmmm yeah just what the game needed, graphics fix

smoky forge
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along with 3gb of MP4 files

coarse dagger
coarse dagger
finite river
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grime revert goooooood

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gonna go check high ground next time i get on then

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maybe il do some art updates to it with the new decals

limpid lance
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I had a dream last night of a mp Halo game reveal
Then I woke up 🥺

celest heron
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hmm, first game on the headlong remake and I wasn't really feeling it.

civic sundial
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I got that map too but it was a join in progress so I didn't get to do too much before it ended

celest heron
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breaker is abysmal

crystal iron
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People out there really saying that if the flood wasnt violent they would be cute and could be pets like wtf is happening with these people

celest heron
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I've never seen that, but the flood followers are kinda fun.

crystal iron
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"Fun"

celest heron
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yes, the ones that resurrect without arms and follow you around.

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I guess they could be like pets

crystal iron
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Are you blind parchance?

celest heron
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not all pets have to be cute

crystal iron
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How can an amalgamation of dead bodies controlled by corrupted gods not make you want to destroy any trace of it?

celest heron
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cause it's a game

crystal iron
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Than why should anyone utter any word on this matter?

rotund zenith
celest heron
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idk, you brought it up.
nice, I got Breaker again..

rotund zenith
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Just gotta do something similar to the debeaking dr kleiners headcrab got

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If the halo store had a marketable popcorn plush id grab it

crystal iron
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Gross as hell

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Has everyone lost respect for beauty or something?

celest heron
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beauty is subjective

rotund zenith
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Who are we, mortals weak in the flesh, to declare ourselves the arbitrators of beauty in the face of the eternal ebb and flow

crystal iron
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Pretty nihilistic

rotund zenith
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And like a true nihilist i have found my own meaning and drive

crystal iron
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Beauty may be subjective but by giving these remarks you have sided with the flood instead of subjectively siding with humanity

smoky forge
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some people have pet spiders

rotund zenith
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the drive for a pet popcorn flood who i will dress in lil knit sweaters

celest heron
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well humanity can be pretty bad

smoky forge
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"is that an infection form?!?" - "dont worry Orville is declawed"

crystal iron
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Advocating for pet walking corpses is not against the rules but if i were to say some bad words it would be

smoky forge
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I think you might be taking things a bit too seriously

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I like Infection, being a zombie can be fun. I am not advocating for IRL zombies

crystal iron
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Since I was born no one took things seriously. It was allways "taking it easy" and "having some fun" or "not worring too much"

smoky forge
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In Halo CE you can shoot the arms off combat forms, and because Halo CE is kinda clunky / was kinda rushed out the door, they cannot attack you but don't die.
They still follow you around. It was funny. We would try and see how many we could get in 343 GS or the Library on replays.
I'm not sure why you are concerned about this. Later games don't do that

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The juxtaposition of a horrifying super space zombie that still runs at you, but is unable to hurt you, was funny

rotund zenith
smoky forge
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lol thanks. Some think the debarbing process is inhumane. I counter that infection forms are not human

celest heron
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joined a jip game and everyone is moving in fast forward

tacit spire
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was there an update today

celest heron
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yes in mcc

coarse dagger
amber burrow
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Which halo character would you choose to be your Valentine's

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for me, arbiter

white birch
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Give me the rich Charblys heir chick from the Meridian books.

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"Why, yes, I would like that weird plasma/DMR hybrid weapon that can turn an entire bolan tree into splinters with a single round, why thank you."

rotund zenith
glacial tartan
neat cove
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ngl halo ce is bad like extremely bad

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its just asset and layout reuse the game

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idk how you mess up that badly

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i think 343 guilty spark and assault on the control room had the worst of it tho

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i have never seen a more poorly made level design than what those 2 had

white birch
celest heron
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343GS kinda turns into a maze if you don't remember the right paths.

white birch
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So does the Library

ruby knoll
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floor arrows my beloved

thorn sierra
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Would it be a good idea to make a halo CE style fangame where you are a marine with no access to guns but magnums and melee attacks and you have to survive the covenant in a open world environment

vast nova
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i think my 6 y/o bro would play Infinite better than that IGN Guy

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Who would Win My 6y/o Bro, My 8y/o bro who hasnt played infinte in 2 years or IGN guy

dreamy silo
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Between Halo 3 and ODST, aside from health bar not regening and not being able to dual-wield, are there any other differences between a spartan and ODST?

celest heron
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hmm, it would be like the difference between a kid and a bodybuilder. not including all the other stuff that's more enhanced.

onyx latch
# dreamy silo Between Halo 3 and ODST, aside from health bar not regening and not being able t...

A Spartan IV (Accidentally, due to the chaos of melee combat) elbows an ODST in the face while fighting an invisible elite.

This ODST was so tall that the Arbiter, had he not known better, mused that he'd think the ODST was the Spartan.

The ODST not only got knocked out cold, but his visor was utterly shattered, as was his cheekbone and most of his face. The Spartan, on the other hand, was completely unfazed and didn't even have a scratch on her armor.

onyx latch
dreamy silo
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I did, yes.

onyx latch
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Sorry! The ODST actually paradoxically has more health, due to how damage is calculated in Halo 3.

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Also, your stamina system is basically 'meat shields' due to how the game works.

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The ODST moves slower, has a smaller jump height, does about 30-40 percent less melee damage (Picking up a Spiker, Mauler, or Brute Shot lets you match melee with a Spartan), but can tank a beam rifle on legendary once.

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Originally, this gulf was wider, with the player not being able to melee kill brutes, moving slower, and jumping lower, but due to not generally being well-liked in testing, was reduced to the final game's status.

white birch
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They can also long arm grenades way more intensely

celest heron
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yeah, and it's a bit odd if I haven't played it in a bit cause I have to aim higher to throw shorter distances.

jovial needle
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Bandit default in Ranked is the dumbest decision ive ever seen in my life

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esp after the poll where like over 70% of ppl playing prefer the BR

jovial needle
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cringe vertical maps

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maps bigger than 4v4s maps for Dubz so fun

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CTF maps where the flags are literally next to each other and can be taken and capped before you respawn

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great stuff devs

crystal iron
onyx latch
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no

crystal iron
# onyx latch no

Sniping is so Nice in this game, I wish I had spartan armor though

civic sundial
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That just looks like some generic gameplay. Not sure if that was supposed to impress anyone or not

worn iron
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Movement in GR:B is so awful too. Total step down from Wildlands, but that's not a conversation for this channel.

left snow
analog salmon
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probs a twitter poll lol

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im sure there's people who found the increased skill gap of the Bandit the final nail in the coffin

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but i hear wayyy more people praising it

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lot of people who were sceptical now realising that the BR was ruining the game in ways they didn't realise

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i dont even think they could go back to the BR now honestly

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you can't really give competitive players a zero bloom single shot weapon and then go back to a burst fire weapon that gives you free headshots

thorn sierra
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multiplayer is so fun

glacial tartan
jovial needle
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and the polls on the xbox poll things idk I dont really use this app alot

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just shows up under the game

jovial needle
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If it was the Halo reach DMR It would be different but it feels so weird idk I do not like it

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I kind of liked the bloom it forced you to have some trigger discipline

analog salmon
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unless we go back to Halo 2's BR, I really don't think that weapon made any sense in ranked

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i had a hunch from season 1 that the BR was far too easy to use and yeah, its a new game post-bandit

jovial needle
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what are you talking about you literally slow down shooting

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ofcourse if you spam like crazy its gonna shoot everywhere have a minimal amount of Trigger discipline and the Reach DMR was Accurate

jovial needle
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BR has always been the Comp halo weapon only time it hasnt is when it wasnt in the game like Reach

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and Reach DMR is way better

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and making a weapon has that literally 0 room for error is "really" peak Comp design

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and you dont even have a sidekick or anything to back up its trash firing rate

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I shouldnt have to scour a massive 8v8 map in Dubs just to find a gun that isnt trash

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ya maybe if youre on controller and have bullet mag

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so they just curve into the head

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aiming doesnt matter?

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but you have to aim for that

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you have to aim in a specific part for the bloom to hit the headshot

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Your aiming doesnt need to be perfect on controller anyways

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its not that random tho

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its pretty predictable

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no but im not sniping people across the map with it and honestly even when I am I do not notice it being that much RNG

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as opposed to something like the RNG Aiming of the AR or Sidekick if you shoot it too fast

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its pretty accurate idk what ur on about I can out BR the hell out of ppl at range

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Put me up against a kid with a bandit at any distance id dunk on him everytime if we were at the same skill level

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okay BR is still gonna out perform the bandit

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even if its less accurate its so minimal it doesnt matter

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I mean its a great gun

onyx latch
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The hallmark of the ranked player is a complete inability to adapt.

jovial needle
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ya and that

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Didnt know we were making halo only for pros now anyways

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the 0.01% of the playerbase thats wild

onyx latch
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:3

jovial needle
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right guess only the pros can play ranked

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Im saying the game shouldnt be made for 0.01% of the playerbase

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and over 70% of the people on the xbox poll prefer the BR

onyx latch
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No, it'd be a crutch.

jovial needle
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and like 15% prefer the bandit

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Bandits just a trash weapon thats it anyone can use a trash gun and claim skill issue if they get a few kills with it

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Plus it literally got randomly tossed into Ranked Halfway into the games lifespan thats the most whack part

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everyone get used to the BR and now here dont use that anymore try this garbade

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you have clearly been missing the point this entire time

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BR is just better doesnt matter how Accurate it is you miss one bullet in bandit you lose every fight

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against anyone who knows what theyre doing

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who mistakenly did back me up

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Bad luck bro you act like this is spamming reach DMR

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you are overexagerating the bloom so hard its crazy

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Thats so ironic lmao

uneven bison
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Became apparent pretty fast

jovial needle
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BR bloom is literally fine

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I can snipe people with the sidekick dont really get whats so bad about the BR

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now THAT sounds like a skill issue

analog salmon
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you endured longer then i could

jovial needle
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you said nothing

onyx latch
jovial needle
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I never said you agreed with me

onyx latch
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You said I mistakenly did so.

jovial needle
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Ya

onyx latch
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Which is false. Nothing I said supports your argument.

jovial needle
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two completely different things but my comprehension is bad

onyx latch
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I'll say.

jovial needle
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BR outperforms the Bandit thats just it

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yall literally been crying about how you get free headshots but its not better like what, do you even realize how contradictory that is

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what am I saying ofcourse you dont and thats what I mean about mistakenly proving my point

torn goblet
onyx latch
jovial needle
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Ya the topic of the convo is Irrelevant.. right

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I can adjust just fine its just a trash gun and theres better options

onyx latch
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Not my topic. My input is that for people who claim to play the game competitively, Ranked players are incredibly mediocre due to their inability to adjust to a different primary weapon.

jovial needle
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And I shouldnt be randomly forced to use it when BR has been comp for literally as long as Comp has even been a thing

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esp when its bad

onyx latch
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I really don't give a damn about what comp has traditionally had.

jovial needle
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I dont even main Ranked dude

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and the Bandit makes me really never want to

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and these horrid dubs maps that are the size of 8v8 maps

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nail in the coffin for me

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Halos Comp died in Reach imo

coarse dagger
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Can we chill with the constant negativity? It really doesn't help and just brings the conversation down, pushing people away from engaging.
You can be negative while still being constructive, expressing displeasure and complaints in ways that are actionable.
Calling things "trash" doesn't help at all

jovial needle
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what would you prefer I call it

sharp summit
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How much money is MCC normally?

jovial needle
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like $40

sharp summit
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So I guess it didn’t get a sale

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I’m checking from my phone so the ui is weird

jovial needle
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theres a website called Isthereadeal or something google it, great tool

coarse dagger
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Also a good read

jovial needle
ruby knoll
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The cosmetic prices are too high and should be lowered.

jovial needle
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I think im being constructive atleast I mean ive given some inputs more than most have

ruby knoll
jovial needle
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Cosmetics shouldnt cost more than an entire BP lmao

ruby knoll
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i used it as an example. I mean i do think they're too high but also the point is that I identified the issue I have and what I want to see with neutral language and the outcome is measurable

jovial needle
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let me try

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the Bandit is a bad weapon and should be removed from Default ranked starting loadout

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and replace with its obviously superiour "Counterpart" (if you can even call it that) The Glorious BR

ruby knoll
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Sure

coarse dagger
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What makes it bad? Is there anything that could be done with the weapon, change it in some way, that would make it more viable?

jovial needle
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but in all honestly its not more that its a bad weapon but that just the BR destroys it

coarse dagger
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To clarify - bad is pretty much the same as trash here, you're just replacing one word with another.

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Also, please do remember to turn off the ping/tag before replying. Thank you

jovial needle
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My adjectives are running low my friend

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the what

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jovial needle
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defeats the purpose a bit dont it

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you dont like pings, got it

coarse dagger
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I don't need to be pinged when I'm here, only if something requires my attention moderation wise

jovial needle
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The main thing is the BR is just so less punishing

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you get more ammo, seems like it zooms in more but that could just be me

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the Burst is obv gonna be better than any single fire weapon for headshots

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you can burst low shields into a headshot

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I really just dont even comprehend how you can argue the Bandit is a better weapon

analog salmon
# jovial needle the Bandit is a bad weapon and should be removed from Default ranked starting lo...

it wont happen. the Bandit has been pretty overwhelming well received and even moreso now its zero bloom. It's pretty much the same as the zero bloom DMR used in Reach's competitive so i dont even get your argument from that angle. Infinite's BR is a laser with aim assist quite clearly catering to your average Halo player. It's designed as an enjoyable weapon for the casual audience. It has it's place in the sandbox.

You could make a competitive BR, but it would have to be much closer to Halo 2's BR.

jovial needle
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and I dont think how small of a percentage people realize how praised this weapon is outside of the very small top tier pros

analog salmon
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i win 1v1s against controller players all the time, they miss with the Bandit. That's the beauty of it.

jovial needle
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well ya its def possible they just have a lower skill threshold than you do

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its easier for them to kill you than for you to kill them but you can def do it if youre better

analog salmon
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also from what i can tell the ranked population is doing better rn then it has in many moons. Idk if that's cause of the bandit, but it's interesting since the bandit released my matchmaking waiting times have dropped a lot

jovial needle
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Id imagine the H3 Playlists and Dubs have def helped

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I for one can not stand the verticality of every single base game map

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Which is why I prefer Bungie Designs

analog salmon
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they're irrelevant to ranked

jovial needle
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which is a damn shame honestly

ashen atlas
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I’d say that’s more to do with the content updates than the change of weapons. The population all around has been a lot better, not just ranked

jovial needle
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theyre so much better but I know I wouldnt be playing ranked at all if it wasnt for them adding dubs

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and bandit was added literally the next season so

jovial needle
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It was a lil RNG for sure but hey alot of Halo weapons are

analog salmon
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and also you can spam at any range and get luck with the RNG :D

jovial needle
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ya but that was really just it, lucky

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if a kid beamed you with grouped shots you were done if RNG gods werent in your favor

analog salmon
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that's why the sidekick is the starting weapon in social and also why i hate infinite's social so there you go

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different audiences

jovial needle
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I think the sidekick is a better gun than the bandit

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and if I had the option to start with it over the Bandit I would every single time

smoky wave
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Lol

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Lmao

jovial needle
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You should have one as a secondary in ranked

ashen atlas
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This is not a laughing matter

jovial needle
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Sidekick deletes people at close range

analog salmon
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i mean i picked up the sidekick in ranked because yeah, it will win you gunfights. its objectively got a faster TTK

jovial needle
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it does 100%

analog salmon
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that doesn't mean its a good experience having everyone start with it

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its gone from ranked completely now iirc

jovial needle
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no but you literally get no secondary in ranked so like why not

onyx latch
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I think ranked should be needler and bulldog starts

jovial needle
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I bet you do

analog salmon
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when have you ever had a secondary in ranked

jovial needle
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idr

analog salmon
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there's pickups on the map you know

jovial needle
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but it would be nice

onyx latch
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Fusion coil starts

jovial needle
analog salmon
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why would it be nice? you have to pickup a secondary, that's part of ranked. there's weapons on the map for you to pickup

onyx latch
jovial needle
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Those come down to getting lucky spawns usually

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theres like 1 maybe 2 BR spawns and maybe the same with sidekick

analog salmon
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control the map and give your team mates better spawns then

jovial needle
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I cant I have to use this gun I hate and when I finally do get the BR it has 2 mags in it

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and they put it in weird places on some maps

analog salmon
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so you hate it because its hard to use so you want them to give you a gun that's easier to use

jovial needle
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and then you have to ditch your team mate to go like 1km on the other side of this massive map just to get a gun that doesnt suck

analog salmon
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have you considered maybe you're just better suited to the more casual modes

jovial needle
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No Im just better suited to the BR which has been the ranked weapon in pretty much every halo game including this one for a pretty long time

analog salmon
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like i say ranked has never had secondary starts and in reach the DMR was zero bloom for the same reason

jovial needle
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Ya but reach dmr just felt better idk

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plus you literally had no other options

glacial tartan
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Team Hardcore / MLG were separate playlists back in the day and there are people who dont like either setting. Youre allowed to not like one and play the other.

analog salmon
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well if you dont know why you dont like it, i dont know either. seems like you just have some reason you dont like it

jovial needle
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Bro PLEASE bring back the MLG playlist with no power weapons omg that was the most fun

glacial tartan
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I dont know if Infinite has something similar or if they've shoehorned everything into the same "Arena" style.

ashen atlas
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I can’t agree with that one. Reach dmr didn’t feel great, even with no bloom

jovial needle
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No every map is who can get rockets and sword first

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and then camp

analog salmon
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there's no sword in ranked

glacial tartan
#

This similar discussion comes up regarding ranked doubles in MCC. Since Radar/Hardcore rotate out every few weeks, people leave and come back when the gametype they like is back.

jovial needle
analog salmon
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i see

jovial needle
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Active camo in Dubs is stupid im sorry

analog salmon
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you want BR starts and nothing on the map and also maps with less verticality

jovial needle
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thats like 4 free kills if you play it right

jovial needle
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Not having to do stupid triple Mantel jumps while getting shot just to get to the other side of a map would be pretty sick

ashen atlas
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I feel reach dmr shot too slow. I think that’s what felt weird

jovial needle
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you dont think this one does?

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I think this one shoots slower

ashen atlas
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I def think bandit is faster

jovial needle
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I think they slightly lowered it to comp for no bloom

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does it even have recoil BR has recoil

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I try to black out anytime I have to use that gun from my memory

analog salmon
#

Infinite and Reach comp honestly seem pretty similar to me. Infinite just has actual maps unlike the grey forge stuff we got in Reach

jovial needle
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Sure I mean its the same thing but some coats of paint

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and we def have some wonky forge maps but ive only seen like 2 in ranked so far

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The one thats somehow the god tier comp map for dubs

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even tho its just some wayyy too big and vertical map for dubs and you just shoot at each other across the map getting no where cause of all the cover forcing you to push through some H3 Ninja course

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I will never understand 343s need to overcomplicate the hell out of everymap

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and the few maps that they dont are their very best maps

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Like that eliptical map or whatever the forerunner one is with the top mid light bridge, Amazing map probably one of my favorites

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The new one with the top mid platform that has overshields or camo is another good example but that one is pretty big too

ashen atlas
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Can’t quite recall the map with top mid light bridge, but I do enjoy that one with the camo/os spawn

dreamy silo
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In MCC campaign coop, can you talk to your partner in-game using push-to-talk?

jovial needle
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in CTF you go through the mid ramp and the doors, across the bridge to ur side

ashen atlas
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Ohhh ok , I gotcha. That a nice map too

jovial needle
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Ya its a simple map design thats so good

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not some over complicating Mantel ledge and corner spam map

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You can actually catch people across the map and kill them since theres limited cover in some areas

rugged quartz
celest heron
sleek hatch
celest heron
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probly narrows

jovial needle
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Its like elliptic or something idr

jovial needle
celest heron
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oh, it's the only one I can think of with a light bridge

dark halo
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Anyone else have this unfortunate circumstance at the beginning of odst where you're somehow stuck in an endless nav tutorial loop?

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Nvm fixed it

stoic canopy
#

Alright; I'm not digging this map with the rings on it on BTB.

It feels like was designed to just be as big as possible rather than to flow or have decent pacing. Like it needs 4 more people or something per team.

crystal iron
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I just realized in halo infinite they used a Halo 5 map for multiplayer but turned into ruins

analog salmon
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If you mean thunderhead there’s teleports in the middle

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I did keep spawning in the exact same location over and over again tho

analog salmon
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The lack of huge open line of sights is nice in these maps

celest heron
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i've only played the headlong remake so far

analog salmon
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Just me or does the audio feedback when ur getting shot by a hydra in a vehicle seem really poor? Like just sounds like ur being shot by a bandit

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I like the weapon but kinda hard to evade something you don’t know is even shooting you

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lol healing tanks is a goat strat

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Feels like battlefield

vast nova
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how's the new maps

analog salmon
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Remind me of halo 2 btb

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Which is perhaps a really good thing. 2 had probably the best btb maps overall.

vast nova
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yeah i cant play it cuz im not with my 2nd family (Which is the one that has the Xbox one)

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i'll play it closer to the end of the month

zenith holly
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I played a few of the new maps and I actually enjoyed them but I couldn't find the banshee spawns on the thunderhead map

left snow
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Everytime I think that the community is "hard done" by - I get a game just like that one. Clearly an alpha Spartan way better than the the rest of us. But from 30 seconds in it's a tirade of you guys are "f" this and "f" that. "Darwi" etc, you should just quit.

Not once did he try put any effort into protecting and/or co-ordinating the team. And the thing is, after being 0-2 we only just lost 3-2 with about 30 seconds on the clock.

Contrast that to a game a couple of days ago that we won in similar circumstances - except that the alpha Spartan at least worked with what they had. It wasn't much - just a few simple comments - "I've got the hammer, cover me".

vast nova
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i want to get bro Game pass ultimate for Infinite via cloud stream

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would it be worth it

arctic urchin
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The mcc update on steam says it with take 2 years what

vast nova
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i might have to download MCC on Steam again

indigo blade
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Omg.....

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Ok so.....
I just shot 2 elites in the crotch with a sniper rifle in halo infinite custom campaigns

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Why am i feeling regret for this

zenith holly
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Cause those elites won't make more elites

indigo blade
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I ended 2 sangheili bloodlines

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With 4 rounds

First elite took 1 shot to the crotch and a shot to the head
Then the ither one took 3 shots to the crotch and 1 round to the head

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Those headshots were from other spartans

lusty wraith
vast nova
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the Reticle Is Tiny

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i think

lusty wraith
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it's smaller and white with like no outline (or slightly greyish I think)

eternal ermine
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What order to i play the halo games

empty rapids
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i just went 37 & 7 lmao

smoky stone
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ugh, just got the msg "there may not be enough players to support this playlist". 😭 ranked arena

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so sad

humble widget
inland minnow
# eternal ermine What order to i play the halo games

you can play them in any order you like. some people suggest release order as you wouldn't be jumping between different eras of halo so drastically that it turns you around. but others suggest chronological order because then you get the story in order.

fringe surge
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Hello guys, I would like to just ask if anyone has like constant Packet Loss in Infinite, even on low ping

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Is there any known fix that works? I tried flushing the DNS

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As for when it started, pretty sure it started screwing around during last year's Winter Contingency 3

sullen kilnBOT
#

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

hollow ore
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Anyone else getting like server packet loss as of this morning?

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CAuse it just started out of nowhere. literally impossible to play anything.

last dust
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honestly, ODST is so close to 3 mechanically it wont be that jarring, but Reach might mess you up once you get to the other games.

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also, personal preference, but i suggest running Halo CE with the original graphics if youre fine with old graphics, since the anniversary graphics for CE do mess with the art design and dont have faithful geometry. 2 anniversary is alot better in these regards, but i still recommend playing 2 with original graphics if youre fine with the lower poly stuff.

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CE anniversary's graphics are something ill never go back to, 2 anniversary's graphics are something id go back to on repeat playthroughs, since they do look really good and the remastered cutscenes are GORGEOUS

hollow ore
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wait turns out I left my VPN on and set to the EU oops.

analog salmon
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lol

hollow ore
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Don't leave your streaming VPNS on people.

craggy wadi
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download MCC

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first

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in DLC section check mark what you want

last bramble
craggy wadi
last bramble
craggy wadi
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well follow the prompts for install

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including multiplayer

last bramble
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Okay

analog salmon
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i mean unless you dont want the MP lol

last bramble
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But idk whats the difference between Halo 3 and then Halo 3 MCC multiplayer

analog salmon
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Halo 3 is the base game, the MP is the MP maps

craggy wadi
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easiest way to navigate:
right click the game listed library
go to options
go to DLC section then check mark campaign or multiplayer

last bramble
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ah

last bramble
craggy wadi
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if you download Halo 3 it comes with campaign

analog salmon
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its the base game, you need "Halo 3" to play the MP too

last bramble
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ohh

analog salmon
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basically just the MP maps are optional iirc

last bramble
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So the MCC multiplayer variants arent worth downloading?

analog salmon
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if you dont download them you can't play matchmaking/custom games

last bramble
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ah okay

analog salmon
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since you'd have no multiplayer maps

last bramble
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I dont have that much space which games do you recommend I download

craggy wadi
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h3

analog salmon
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you can download one game at a time and then uninstall it

last bramble
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I can download like 2-3

craggy wadi
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honestly I was disappointed with halo 2 anniversary

analog salmon
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probably download CE, 2, and 3 then. But dont download 2's MP because it's huge and frankly it's not that easy to find matches anyway.

last bramble
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I just want a fun and populated halo to play

craggy wadi
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your best bet is get infinite and go into h3

last bramble
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Okay

analog salmon
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I like Reach but its polarising ig

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if you're not interested in playing the campaigns then you can just download 3 and Reach, which is less then 20GB in total

craggy wadi
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the population on MCC halo 3 multiplayer vs Infinite h3 matchmaking
lower vs higher

last bramble
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after should I download halo 2 and 4 and the multiplayer for them

analog salmon
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they are huge because they are the newest games

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but they are not as popular as Reach/3

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so if you a space concious then i would probably pass on them for now

candid basin
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I really miss Invasion in Reach, I’m hoping they add some version of it in the upcoming game (playable Elites please)

analog salmon
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you cant download the original Halo 2 MP without downloading Halo 2AMP so it's 30GB, frustrating but that's how it is

craggy wadi
last bramble
analog salmon
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you're welcome and yeah i know what you mean

craggy wadi
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I remember when I first unlocked my Recon armor

finite river
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so do i

craggy wadi
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all my achievements got lost from halowaypoint to mcc

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lol

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all in all I am not an achievement lover

last dust
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tbh im more interested in the campaigns as of late. the multiplayer stresses me out

glacial tartan
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Agree on CE/2/3 being the ones to try

craggy wadi
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How many warnings can one receive before action is taken?

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Have a bad habit with bad language

coarse dagger
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As long as you're not getting lots within a short space of time, nothing to worry about

agile cobalt
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nah what is this, every game i get into everyone is moving super fast and none of my shots hit

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my internet is fine

misty vale
coarse dagger
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I seen a similar report of this yesterday, definitely submit a bug report on it

agile cobalt
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nope

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i swtg i had this automod

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yep new game fixed it

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seems to be alot more fragile though

fringe surge
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idk what they did

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packet loss Infinite has been a thing since last november

thorn sierra
#

halo CE's multiplayer is so fun

vast nova
unkempt badge
#

does this game have ME servers because I tried both local and expanded region with no luck and bad ping
and I cant even choose EU servers

smoky forge
#

CE is still one of the most fun at LAN parties IMO

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mostly nostalgia I am sure, but stuff like Rockets FFA on Prisoner, or Shotgun FFA on Chilout. Oddball Close Quarters on Wizard. Timeless classics

silent tulip
#

Word to the wise stop driving the warthog of the cliffs in firefight

astral garnet
dusky nova
agile cobalt
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yup

dusky nova
#

I've had other games with that bug where it's like 10x as bad, jumping around all over the place.

agile cobalt
#

yea

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ur getting shot at from people u cant see

dusky nova
#

Old bug, but seems to be occuring more recently.

I've found on PC that it's more likely to happen if I was tabbed out while a game was loading

agile cobalt
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wonder if its during some network handshake

rocky cipher
#

get on infinite
queue btb
7 stack of high diamond and onyx players on enemy team
close infinite

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just am not allowed to have any fun

white birch
#

Try Squad Battle instead.

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The lower player count and more flexible maps makes it less likely to run into stacks.

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And, of course, Firefight.

rocky cipher
#

Firefight gets very stale very quick

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also Squad battle has the unfortunate trend of not filling player slots whenever people leave, so if you start getting stomped, you'll just be down people

worthy sun
#

Very dumb question what is community play date that’s live rn? Do they tease stuff or upcoming stuff

magic night
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They play matchmaking on a livestream and give out emblems to people who match with them

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Usually there's no news. Mainly just to have fun with the community

misty vale
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is there a way I can get into the community play so that I can tell the devs to take all the old maps out of BTB because they are 3+ years old and boring

coarse dagger
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Playdate are just a fun thing about playing games with the community

eternal ermine
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Dude

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Which game is the one that has the flood involved

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??

onyx latch
#

Halo 4

jade iron
ruby knoll
#

and halo wars 1

jade iron
smoky forge
#

I'm sad that the Flood were never a playable faction in HW1. It seems like they had pretty much everything fleshed out

crystal mortar
#

so the mcc update partially broke mods right

crystal iron
#

did anyone like infinite here

smoky forge
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yes

crystal iron
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tbh i really enjoyed but that not enought

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we should be honest even we liked infinite 343 did not complete their job

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look what playstation did with god of war

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look what they did with uncharted, last of us, spider man

left snow
left snow
crystal iron
smoky forge
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Infinite launched in a bit of a rough state MP wise, but I enjoyed the weapon balance and gameplay even then. It just got stale. Forge with AI and firefight have renewed my interest though

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The SP also launched in a rough state, missing basic replayability features like mission replay and co-op, but many of the complaints about the SP are still valid

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I still enjoyed my singular playthrough of the SP, but have no desire to replay it.

crystal iron
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but i feel like between the original trilogy and the new one there is a big difference

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halo 1 2 3 felt complete

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but the news ones looks like they are milking the game