halo-discussion

[limber dove]

Desync should have been fixed way before now. They used a recycled game engine instead of moving onto something fresh and more updated i.e Unreal Engine. Slipstream engine is not a new engine it is an old one that shouldn't have been considered for usage.

Team balancing is a complete joke and mess. They allow Alt/Smurfs to go riot and genuine players who don't use alt accounts get a total negative game experience. You get all sorts going against those who just stack up in parties. All while random public players not stacked up get completely smashed.

There are no proper playlists for Social and Ranked, rotational playlists are terrible. The UI can and should have had these basics nailed but no the usual 343i messed this up by throwing everything in a user's face and most likely some playlists are dead or god awful.

Stability, network connection, an actual player population and retention are out the window. It is far too late for this game to get anything done right. This game should've been delayed for 2-3 years and actual content, testing and work was put in.

Live Service is/was a big mistake for Halo and the original 3, maybe Reach were peak.

[magic loom]

How did Halo 2, 3 and Reach have this system?

[magic loom]

I remember hearing how slipspace was a new engine was that a lie?

[limber dove]

It's a lie, you can look into this deeper as some outside QA's, former devs and more made Youtube videos comparing past game engines. I wasn't surprised when I stumbled across it.

It has always been this way. Modern gaming is terrible.

[uneven bison]

Those two sentences are intensely conflicted

[ruby knoll]

unreal engine is overrated

it's also a "recycled game engine"

[left snow]

We all want desync to be fixed. It's better. And hopefully the new Netcode comes through soon. But that's not a SBMM issue.

I'm not fussed about engines. As long as Halo keeps it's "feel". And the best way forward for that is probably through Slipstream.

Team balancing has issues. It's messy. But not to the point of being a "joke". The alternative is to make good players wait longer. I'd be happy with that - but they probably wouldn't. 🙂

I agree with the playlists. The best way to "chill" is through the sandbox. We have too many "Ranked" like games in Social - and players bring the same skill sets from Ranked. We need more fun and randomness in Social. Multi-teams!

And the rest of your points have some validity. But none of them are particulary relevant to SBMM.

Take away SBMM and you still have all those problems - just way fewer players left to experience them against.

[ruby knoll]

gaming has always been terrible

[ruby knoll]

slipspace is a blam derivative yes

[uneven bison]

It’s fun when your a kid because you can look past the flaws

[left snow]

Just as Unreal 5 is an Unreal 4 derivative. 😄

[uneven bison]

If you even notice them

[ruby knoll]

wtf recycled game engine

[ruby knoll]

as an adult i realized my favorite game of all time, Dungeon Siege, has many flaws. I still enjoy it but i understand it's not perfect

[uneven bison]

A kid is not going to care that halo reach used predatory marketing tactics with map packs, they’ll just say “I don’t have the maps womp womp.” Or something like that

[limber dove]

Just wish devs would stop catering to both Casual and Competitive audiences. There's far too much conflict, things get over complicated and instead just have it short, sweet and simple as the phrase goes.

[ruby knoll]

easier said than done lol

[uneven bison]

You want to know what games I liked as a kid? Freaking flash games that installed malware

[ruby knoll]

casual is such a nebulous and vaguely defined term

[left snow]

Half the problem is that I don't think the player's know what they want to be half the time.

[magic loom]

Favyn made a very powerful video I think you might want to check out

[limber dove]

Oh I watched that already.

[uneven bison]

A kid doesn’t care for consequences or problems they just play.

[left snow]

Was that his recent one? I've bookmarked it but not watched it yet. It's good?

[uneven bison]

Quite envious honestly

[magic loom]

In my opinion I think its really good, his most recent video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn8uIEXJ4bA&t=1451s

[limber dove]

I really have given up trying to offer feedback to the devs of this game and so on. It feels like they're so delayed and do so many U-turns that they do not care until their jobs are on the line from higher ups.

I just can't believe they messed up Ranked matchmaking so badly. I'm struggling to enjoy it and have done ever since I tried this game back in the Flight run it had.

[left snow]

Personally I think the easiest way to "chill" a game mode is add more players (eg. 5v5) and more weapons.

You need to break down the sweaty tactics that players use in Ranked. All the map movement and control. The hording of weapons and equipment. Spawn camping. And so on.

Because even if players go into the match relaxed - as soon as the game gets tight they are going to revert to type.

And multi-team 3v3v3 has always been my favourite chill. You are always outnumbered 2:1. It's chaos. You don't have time to keep track of the score. So much fun.

It's amazing how 1 or 2 extra players on the map change things up.

[magic loom]

I will say I have alot of dislike of 343. I like all the of the insanely cool stuff they have done but they are all over the place. Forge is a bit worse now in Infinite

[limber dove]

Any cool activities or actions 343i took. It's 90% behind a paywall.

[magic loom]

I agree, the shop as well is a big topic

[ruby knoll]

like forge
or cgb

lmao

[magic loom]

Best things 343 did was finally give us 28 player lobbies, letting us switch seats in vehicles and Infinite is the best forge now in the series I solidly think that

[ruby knoll]

you just said forge is a bit worse

which is it

[magic loom]

A bit more detail on that. I mean by selecting something, if you miss selecting you lose all the stuff you selected.

Selecting isnt something I do that often at all but it is something that would hurt the prefab community

Other than that we have AI in forge now and hundreds of terrain to use and objects, that makes it the best

[ruby knoll]

check keybinds

in options
idk the default one i rebound to a mouse button centuries ago

@crystal iron try f

[olive brook]

its Q by default pretty sure

[white birch]

Let the tryhards steam. Let them boil in their own flesh as their inability to be actual human beings cooks them like a Carbine round buried in their liver

[white birch]

Better and more detailed scripting.

[magic loom]

That was hardcore...damn

[magic loom]

I gotta learn how to add AI waves, still something I gotta know how to do

[white birch]

You are either going to wait for a game for longer because you're too good at it, or your going to stop trying so hard and have fun with the game instead of deleting everyone and making THEM not have fun
This is the payment for skill.

[left snow]

Amen.

[young glen]

I'm guessing by "any cool activities or actions 343i took" is based entirely on cosmetics? To be fair to 343, they haven't paywalled anything gameplay related other than campaign (duh).

[white birch]

(On a related note most of the really try hard players are also insufferable in personage too)
(So I dont feel bad if they have to wait longer, it helps bring them back to being more relatable and not just...jerks, honestly)

[white birch]

Might mean game modes that didnt come back officially?
Though we have all the baseline ones from previous games that anyone actually played.

I do miss Stockpile from Reach though with the skulls.

[limber dove]

I try to endure, be patient as I can be but there are some things that just weigh up and get to me. Plus if it is repeated issues or similar, it really annoys, disappoints and ticks me off.

[magic loom]

Reach has the worst types of try hards, will say they not as bad on Infinite from what I had experienced so far.

[limber dove]

Wish I could find more UK/EU players as well. It's a dead player base.

[white birch]

Thats probably your bigger issue in truth.

[stoic canopy]

Bungie did it with Destiny 2 last year. One of their weekends had a Crucible Labs (Test List) Matchmaking Trial where it was 100% Connection based with no SBMM.

It failed completely. Legit almost every match was Mercy Rule'd (ended early due to score difference).

That test was never rotated back in, unlike some of the others (like their version of SWAT).

[young glen]

I'll admit that I find it nearly impossible to find players in FFA type playlists or any playlists with a stricter threshold on skill matching.

[magic loom]

Firefight KOTH is the only thing that feels like a nice bridge between serious play and casual play to me. Its the only time where my team feels like they actually work together

[white birch]

There was variation and reason back then.
And it was just a different mindset.

Most of the tryhards from the Reach era are in their late 30s and early 40s now so they're off doing real life adulting stuff.
The tryhards we have today started off in 4 probably.

Im sure there's some out there who are of the older ilk but I find they dont tend to hold onto the competitiveness and the need to be better as they get older.

[onyx latch]

Honestly, an ego's worse than someone who just stomps you and doesn't say a word.

[white birch]

Agreed.

[stoic canopy]

Me,, who has been trying hard since the beginning: YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!

[white birch]

I prefer getting smacked around by someone with an Onyx career rank and nothing to their profile to the ones with like, every social media app known to man listed and cross-platforming posts of their "skill".

Like, cool. Your good at a video game. Okay.
Whats the point?
Will it help you get a job? A family? A stable position within the world?

If they do it on the side for fun thats fine, but Im not sure a lot of them do it feels like.

[last dust]

tbf we've always had people like that. look at the many. MANY FPS montages from like. 2007. the social media clout chaser pro gamer wannabes are sadly a part of gaming culture

[white birch]

As far back as competitive gaming has existed, so too has the try hard.
But I feel like its become more...heavy? I dont want to say toxic because its not.
Oversaturated
Thats the word

[thorn oasis]

Why are you on a video game discord server 🤨

[white birch]

Because Halo happens to have 20 years worth of lore that you can work on, build with, and even influence.

The games are a nice distraction but they dont last long enough individually to make proper "devotion" worth it.
Having knowlage of the lore though and being able to spin that out, that has benefits.

(Such as writing future novels for them eventually)

[magic loom]

And the forge community too, I freakin love it in Infinite

[white birch]

Machinima related to that. Active creativity

[last dust]

theres also a difference between someone whos good at the game, and a tryhard. tryhard is a state of mind. a tryhard will sweat out a game day in day out, and get insanely toxic if a match doesnt go their way. someone whos good at the game will obviously try to win, but theyll be more chill about it and be more open to trying more wacky stuff in game instead of going full meta with their weapons and playstyle.

[white birch]

Bingo

[onyx latch]

I mean, it can. Just not easily or well.

If nothing else it can help you develop industry contacts to help shape the future of a game, depending on what the game was and how good you were at it.

Inherently, a better skilled player is going to have more of a fundamental understanding of how systems work-mechanically-than the average rube who posts, say, here. That doesn't mean a pro knows much about how matchmaking works or what the rules for it are, but if I wanted someone to explain, say, the inbetweens of a movement tech or how certain weapon's firing mechanics actually work in terms of gameplay, I'd be more inclined to listen to someone who literally makes a living off of exploiting those engine quirks than someone who, say, is an expert on something unrelated.

Half of data interpretation is the source, and of that source it needs to be specific, consistent, and reliable; And many people don't realize how specific that knowledge pool actually has to be, and they also don't know to explore the intent behind the words of the source in question in order to determine the reliability of the information, either.

For example, a scientist who has a PHD in environmental science can be bought or have a personal agenda that could cloud their judgement and thus their interpretation of their own data to skew towards a specific desired outcome if they are paid by an interested benefactor, despite it going against his or her claimed mission.

[fair elm]

I wonder what happened to the rest of Gamma other than the Ferrets

we have the one from “Knight takes Bishop” but I think that’s all we’ve seen of Gamma other than those on the Ark now.

[last dust]

is it just me or is Halo 4 pretty short compared to other games in the series, barring ODST

Halo 4 only has 8 missions

[onyx latch]

They seem to have been disseminated amongst the field as nonstandard operatives. Considering the IV program and humanity beating back the precipice of death, they are now monstrously inconvenient as operatives due to their augmentations and ages, being the culmination of several severe ethics dilemmas that no longer have a convenient, if poor, excuse.

So really, I wager most are deployed as headhunters or special force teams in the vein of the ferrets, just spread out far more widely.

[fair elm]

ah

wait, their ages? Aren’t they mid-20s by now?

[fair elm]

yea, it’s short

[onyx latch]

If you know someone's rough age and how long they served, you can sus out a proper age-the doubt's gonna be there a lot for the Gammas compared to the Alphas and Betas, who you could feasibly lie about.

[fair elm]

true

[last dust]

bizarre that its so short. ODST i get since it was meant as a smaller side game. this is a MAIN SERIES entry

[fair elm]

I thought Gamma wasn’t classified anymore, though, just their brain augments.

[onyx latch]

Mark's only 20 by the time of Halo 5, so.

[fair elm]

well, and the ones directly reassigned by ONI.

[onyx latch]

Spartan classification level is super iffy-it's doubtful that the nature of the actual Spartan program, including their child soldier status, is generally heavily obfuscated and controlled once you get outside the Spartan wheelhouses.

For example, the origin of IIs isn't actually common knowledge; Osiris and Majestic both only learn of it due to having missions concerning Halsey or the IIs.

Considering the scale of IIIs, that might be under even tighter lock and key.

[fair elm]

true, but the origins are pretty widely known rumors on the Infinity. I’m pretty sure it’s the same for the 3 program as well. The public might not know, but I’d wager there’s enough suspicion and enough desperation from humanity for protection that ONI wouldn’t really face any more repercussions than they already did for the 2s

[onyx latch]

Well, 75ish kids is a bit different than over 900.

Like, yeah, sure, they were orphans, but that hardly makes it any better.

[fair elm]

true, but I’d still bet people would be way more receptive to Alpha and Beta still being fielded than Gamma, which was already a small company I thought.

their brain augments would be the most damning, which would take genuinely hard-copy evidence to prove anyways

[onyx latch]

Also, the internal state of the deep inner colonies (And earth) was such that some people had the wiggle room to believe that the war was a myth until the Covenant juggernaut was literally on the doorstep.

[fair elm]

crazy

also makes me wonder how Ferret team is doing on the Ark without access to their meds lol

[onyx latch]

IIRC it's a plot point in the book and gets solved by the Spirit's medical team.

[fair elm]

oooooh okay

[onyx latch]

Oh, also, Gamma was actually 330 strong.

[fair elm]

yea, about that I think

pre-onyx at least

[onyx latch]

Beta was 418 whittled to 300, and Alpha was 497 to 300 as well. They both had individual members poached for CAT II and had some dropouts, hence the 300 finalists.

We also don't know what Gamma Company's starting class size was.

Fun fact, Locke and B312 actually share a homeworld.

[fair elm]

didn’t know that

still forever grateful that SPI’s in Infinite now

favorite armor in Halo by far

[left snow]

This. I sweat in ranked (albeit not very well). But super relaxed in Social. In the latter I can play for hours completely oblivious to W/L and K/D.

So what's the difference between competitive and casual? Can you have close games and still have both?

For me a scoreline of 49:49 with 30 seconds to go is the dream. In Ranked my only thought is "don't die". In Social - time to be a Hero with the Raveger.

Sniper Rifle. Wouldn't touch it with a barge pole in Ranked (only pick it up to deny the enemy). In Social I'm going to rush it - and die trying to snipe you while jumping out a window.

Oddball. Happy to pick it up in Ranked and cower behind my team-mates. In Social it's how many enemies can I whack a mole.

Sword and camo - that's a camping kill streak in Ranked. In social it's a waste because my mate has just pulled up behind me in Warthog. He needs a driver.

Team mate just got tea-bagged? In Ranked it's like "toughen up cup cake". In Social it's drop whatever you are doing (including the flag) and go and defend their honour.

[brazen brook]

What is Halo 5 forge

[left snow]

All the recent Halo games have their own version of Forge. It's where you can make your own maps and game modes. Halo 5 was the game before Infinite.

[dense onyx]

Quick question:
When playing Ranked play, does your previous ranks kind of carry over or something after doing the 5 placement matches?

The reason why I ask this is because my friend and I are a bit confused as to how I'm always ranked higher than him (like 1 Tier above), despite me doing so poorly within those placement matches and my friend doing so much better, yet I'm ranked higher.

[fair elm]

map creator in Halo 5. Most halo games have a version of Forge

[left snow]

It's never been specifically mentioned. But it does appear to put you into placement based on your previous MMR.

Which makes sense. It's trying to get your rank as quickly as possible - which would be starting from your expected position.

I imagine they make your MMR curve wide again (higher sigma and more volatile). But it starts at the previous mu value (mean).

And I suspect, anecdotally, that KPM (kills per minute) may get a bit of a boost during placement. Either through the weighting itself or by it's effect with a wider MMR.

[dense onyx]

Thanks for the response. Yeah, it's the only thing that makes sense to us, otherwise there is no way I'd be ranked higher than my friend when I had the most deaths and last on our team during our 5 matches, unless it took previous ranks into consideration.

[left snow]

Yep. And five games isn't a lot.

Especially if the MM can't find you "ideal" ranking games in that short period.

The only real way your friend could over-take you would be to smash his KPM compared to yours. But it's only a weighting so it's probably not realistic for them to do so in a mere five games.

And something may have gone wrong with the last lot of placements. Some people feel they were ranked mainly on KPM. At least, way more than usual. We've been wondering if 343 got something wrong.

Like completely resetting the global MMR?

[clear mulch]

Is the game good?

[white birch]

It was never bad

[worn iron]

Purely subjective question, but I'd say to find out for yourself to be sure.

[ruby knoll]

every halo game is good

except for that one weird mobile game tie in thing they did for 4

[vale sentinel]

I hate how there's no blood nor assassination animations because of the Chinese government.

Like Halo has 10k people playing. Having China in our community is not going to affect sales.

Other games has Chinese servers for their games such as Fortnite and Fortnite is doing fine.

[coarse dagger]

... what?

[ruby knoll]

less blood is probably a performance thing

[coarse dagger]

I don't know where you pulled this one from, but it's just... no

[ruby knoll]

there is blood tho

[undone locust]

MCC keeps saying I'm banned from matchmaking. I haven't left any matches, and I don't have any hacks. What's the damn problem?

[sullen kiln]

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[vale sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=362iNpB1eW0

[vale sentinel]

Where in Infinite?

[ruby knoll]

in the campaign and when you shoot people

[vale sentinel]

So you see blood on the ground?

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[ruby knoll]

in the campaign yes

not clicking your ip logger

[vale sentinel]

Ok buddy. Believe what you want to believe. There's literally no blood.

[ruby knoll]

"All I see is small blood particles coming out, and you'll only see it if you look for it" - u

[vale sentinel]

Reply to it please?

[ruby knoll]

the message you deleted?

[vale sentinel]

Please don't make up lies. The world will be a better place. 🙏

[undone locust]

what are you two going on about

[onyx latch]

🤓 stuff

[brittle scarab]

can anyone help me get infinite to launch. Ive literally installed it on my hdd, ssd from steam, tried to install it from the Microsoft store, tried to install from xbox app. Found a forum where Microsoft support game someone a option to fix something in powershell. Literally nothing works and I cant get this trash game to launch. Anyone else have this issue ?

[sullen kiln]

You may refer to #1075989764026675210 if you are in need of community based assistance. This is strictly community sourced and operated and is not staffed by any official members of the Support team.

For official support, you'll need to go to the Halo Support site: https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[brittle scarab]

ive looked at these

ive tried the halowaypoint suggested fixes and neither work

[coarse dagger]

Make a post in #1075989764026675210 and see if anyone can help troubleshoot

[lime robin]

Do what stckr said

Way more efficient than punching air

[brittle scarab]

still doesnt change the fact

[thorn sierra]

If bungie didn't sell the halo series to 343, what could happen? Would they still be making halo games or not?

[coarse dagger]

They sold the rights to Microsoft. If they hadn't, the game either would have went to Apple or potentially the company might have went under and Halo never released

[worn iron]

I think Bungie was already done with Halo anyway, judging by their direction w/ Destiny

[coarse dagger]

Halo was never the game they wanted to make, and the success of the first one didn't help theit plane - nor did the tech difficulties with the second. If 2 launched the way they wanted, they would have moved on from Halo earlier

[nova stirrup]

I know there is a new halo show and its very good but us there any other good movies or series or they all bad?

[last dust]

fans hate the show lol

[coarse dagger]

Plenty of people enjoy the show

[thorn sierra]

Also i finished playing halo CE on one of my old laptops a long time ago but now im playing it on the MCC it feels so boring for some reason

[nova stirrup]

I love it, is there any other ?

[last dust]

:( CE is great imo

[nova stirrup]

Thats good

[coarse dagger]

There's Fall of Reach, Nightfall and Forward Unto Dawn

[nova stirrup]

Is it a waste of time watching them?

[coarse dagger]

No

Well, I guess only you can decide if it's worth your time

[nova stirrup]

Great because i remember when i was younger i watched a halo movie and nothing happened inly in the ending the covenant came i was like man what is this 😂 maybe it was episode one if a serie

[coarse dagger]

Would appreciate not being pinged on replies please and thanks :)

[nova stirrup]

Okay

[thorn sierra]

I mean YEAH the first time i played it i had the best experience and i had a lot of nostalgic moments, but btw i never hated CE in general

[worn iron]

Halo Legends is cool, but animated style

[thorn sierra]

I saw a halo ce mobile port and the thing is unplayable, no cutscenes, no enemies, no animations, no vehicles, no everything

[nova stirrup]

I just love the fast running and jumps the spartans do in the new show, especially in season one i was like daaamn

[thorn sierra]

Plus you can fling out the map and see how the master chief starts to wiggle

[nova stirrup]

Can anyone recommend some sci fi halo/alien space movies?

[white birch]

The entire Expanse.
Starship Troopers

[clear mulch]

The cheifs won the super bowl

[stoic canopy]

They didn't sell the rights to MS: Halo belonged to MS from Day 1 of it's existence.

Bungie would've had to get the rights from them when they left, if they wanted them.

Its why MS can use anything and everything related to Halo, no permission needed. Like why Marty got told to go pound sand when he complained that Infinite's music was too close to his, forgetting that Halo's music is MS's and no one else's.

[vale sentinel]

Can you still get cat ears?

[finite river]

unfortunately

[vale sentinel]

If used right it'll look good, it can only look good on 1 or 2 helmets

But I don't like how everything is overpriced

[shrewd hemlock]

Hello, looking for some good tips in halo 3 mcc, I just started and have 5 hr of playtime

[viscid widget]

Who wanrs to play coop on halo cr

[nocturne shore]

anyone else wish that halo infinite marines were as smart as halo 3 marines

[solar urchin]

HI :d greetings from a total newbie :d

[civic sundial]

You can still get them, find a helmet they're compatible with (Such as Calvano for Mark VII) and you should be able to get the bundle they're from

[last dust]

so tomorrow my boyfriend and I are finishing up Halo 4 then moving on to 5. I know nothing about 5 other than its the black sheep.

and it's so hated that Microsoft refuses to port it to pc

[civic sundial]

The gameplay is pretty good but the story leaves allot to be desired

Though going to the Elite homeworld is easily the best decision made for the narrative

[last dust]

yeah I've heard the story isn't great. also that it barely continues from where 4 left off

the reclaimer saga seems as scatterbrained as the new Star Wars sequels. where each entry tries to undo the previous one

[serene shale]

i've heard a lot of halo 5's story is based off a lot of the novels - not inherently a bad thing, but i also don't think it should precede another game that had no connection to the novels, tbf

[wise dragon]

Does anyone play Halo CE multiplayer on the masterchief collection?

[civic sundial]

See, here's the thing, I would argue that outside of a short story that released after, you don't need the novels to understand the story. I know people bring up Buck being a Spartan but how and when he became one isn't something you need to know for the story of Halo 5

[last dust]

I do but I mostly stick to campaign co op

[worn iron]

That's...not entirely the reason...

It's definitely not popular by any means, but the real reason is that the Halo 5 REQ system doesn't blend with the existing MCC point system.

[coarse dagger]

The real reason is time, resources and circumstances

[last dust]

they can just make it a separate release

[worn iron]

Why would they? You can play Halo 5 on PC already

Just use the Xbox app for cloud gaming or whatever it's called

[finite river]

also halo 5 relies on 60fps so tryin to go higher on a pc would break the game

and the games memory is pretty much full

[last dust]

ah yes, cause latency in a shooter is so worth dealing with

also wouldn't I need game pass for that?

[finite river]

yes you would

[last dust]

just tried out firefight for the first time. this is ALOT of fun

I did ODST firefight

floodfight specifically

[onyx latch]

Eh, it doesn't really solve the issues 5 actually has in that format (Such as latency due cloud gaming, FOV, etc)

Oh, you're also only able to play it like that with a controller, last I checked.

[onyx latch]

Like, that's probably the party line, among others, that popped up when it got discussed; It wasn't very popular with the modern fanbase (If it isn't as old or older than Reach, it's a grudging), it already has a port (The Forge port), and it already can be played on a PC via cloud gaming.

If so, none of those are actually anywhere near the level of actually 'solving' the problem of 5 coming to PC;
-More people are slowly becoming open to 5, at least in terms of MP or enjoying specific level sequences.

• It was popular enough as a game to still retain a US server playerbase even now, albeit not a significant one, and that's two years after its sequel came out.
• The Forge Port is not only buggy and kind of busted on PC, but it also runs on defunct abandonware that no longer functions. This abandonware is, furthermore, something that actively prevents the game from loading and is automatically installed when you download the forge port; You need to uninstall the old waypoint portal app manually.
• Cloud gaming has issues with latency and gamepad-only requirements. A port would, hopefully, come with concessions to allow MKB use and keybinding changes, which, a full port would solve these problems handily.

However, in the defense of why the decision's not made;

• Resource scarcity and competition.
• Might be seen as a 'bad look', but this is kind of seemingly why anything Halo 4/5 related is at a minimum (The last time anything was brought up from 4 or 5 that wasn't ineffectual trivia or fan art was Fireteam Shadow taking down a Cruiser, and even then it was just a preview using altered Halo 4/5 armor models and posted on Waypoint). A book's coming out about the Didact, sure, but it's literally just the Didact.
• It's a seven-eight year old game, and likely would not generate the revenue expended for what could at best be seen as a community goodwill effort, even with a popular steam release.
• Most of the crew who made 5 has left the studio, allegedly, so some things are going to be hard to work through. Considering the current head of 343i is also the guy who oversaw the salvaging of the dumpster fire that was launch MCC, I doubt he is in any particular hurry to be tasked with spinning up another subgroup for salvaging and porting another game people are very, very vocal about hating.
• The game still has a functioning lootbox system. Not the best look, even if it's mostly free.

[remote scarab]

Yeah honestly i think it's just a case of most of the community not really liking it, plus the playerbase was really low. People on twitter will try to do revisionist history and say "no no actually halo 5 was great and we should love it!" Whilst they were absolutely not there when the playerbase was at its lowest, and didn't support any kind of porting to anywhere else even when MCC was getting them. Whilst I'm not exactly the biggest fan of H5 either, I do think it deserves a port in the next few years, at the very least just so that the campaigns are all playable on PC, but again as Trenchbird said 343i probably have way way bigger priorities than porting a game that people are very vocal about disliking, and that would really only get 3 - 4 months at most of a steady playerbase out of nostalgia, and as soon as the nostalgia wears off, it's right back to not being able to find lobbies outside of the big 3 modes

[onyx latch]

Well, its playerbase is pretty low. At the time of its launch, and while updates still dropped for it, it was a pretty popular game.

And, yeah, 5 actually is a pretty great game-really doesn't deserve the hatred it gets. Solid gunplay, mostly good graphics, some of the best setpiece moments in the franchise's history. But a lot of vitriol got more and more directed at the game as the years went on after the goodwill grace period suffered and died.

[remote scarab]

for sure, I remember even a few years later on xbox you could steadily find matches in most of the modes, but now with Infinite out and the general consensus around the game, I feel like a PC port wouldn't really introduce a huge group of new players beyond a few months, especially because the PC playerbase for Halo has never been that big anyway. As I said before, I'm also not the biggest fan of H5 because of most of the obvious reasons like the structure of the missions, art style etc, but it absolutely deserves to be ported over and to stand alongside the other games. I understand that many people don't like H4/H5, but they shouldn't be hidden away or forgotten about. It's important to remember what those games did right and what they did wrong, rather than just pretending they never happened

[onyx latch]

Yeah, it's a pretty frustrating, albiet understandable, disservice to the people who stuck with those games.

Honestly, I've had a few friends who refused to keep playing Infinite because they kinda just abandoned what said friends found so great about 5. I happen to like Infinite's direction, so I still play it religously, but I feel slighted in the same way.

[remote scarab]

Personally I like the mix, there's a decent amount of H5 DNA within Infinite, but repackaged in a more classic way and mixed in with newer mechanics. I'm glad they stuck with a few of the designs/mechanics that really worked in H5, and I think that going forward, that mix should remain. the strong negative reactions to H4/H5 were a result of so much change happening at once, and especially after Reach people just wanted something more akin to H2/H3. I have always found it quite ironic how for years people were so angry about things like the H5 covenant art style, and yet in Infinite the plasma pistol model and general covenant aesthetic were literally exactly the same, but nobody was mad this time because it was packaged alongside more classic halo aesthetics. It just feels like a portion of the community are really obsessed with nostalgia, and anything they see as "old halo" is good, anything new is bad, even if they're hypocritical in what they like/dislike. At least in my opinion, Halo should always retain that "halo" look but just introduce new ideas alongside it, and H4/H5's biggest problems were that they just weren't H3 lol

[glacial tartan]

Im curious to see if in 5-10 years when the next shiny new Halo project has released if Infinite will retain a playerbase (assuming its a new title, separate launcher etc etc)

[onyx latch]

The pessimist in me says that I doubt it'll have a significant playerbase if there aren't some radical additions and a Siege-style overhaul.

I like Infinite but it still feels so much like a holding pattern.

[remote scarab]

I mean, as it stands, it seems 343i are just putting most of their effort towards the next game regardless, so I think 343i are sorta banking on Infinite retaining a decent level of players but nothing too crazy, so that they can get a big wave of lapsed fans back for the next one. I see Infinite kinda heading the way H5 did, where you only really see it mentioned on revisionist history twitter threads made by people that didn't even support the game at the time. It sucks, but I feel it's necessary so that the next Halo game is a huge comeback (I have a lot of trust in Pierre and the team)

I just feel Infinite hasn't got that impact culturally that something like H3 had, for it to retain players to this day. H3 is still pretty popular because it had such a huge impact on the space and the franchise as a whole, whereas Infinite's monetization and content problems really led it to kinda fall flat in the mainstream eye. It'll have a cult following like H4/H5 do, but nothing substantial. Most playlists outside of quick play, ranked etc, you'll probably struggle to find games by the time the next Halo has been out a year or two

[onyx latch]

Halo 3, for as much as I think it is a horribly overrated game in pretty much every measure compared to what was strictly its competition at the time, was something of a cultural breakwater. Its actual effective legacy is that it popularized and collated many very effective systems for gameplay engagement; and effectively codified a significant portion of known advertising strategies for games at the time. It's actually specifically best known for having a killer advertising campaign.

These systems and the ad campaign, on their own, would be far less noteworthy today, but because of when and how it came out, it punches above its weight class historically.

[last dust]

honestly i dont get the hate for Halo 4. boyfriend and i are 2 missions away from the end and its honestly great so far. im not really a fan of sprint being in Halo, but even that started with Reach. the level design is great, the setpieces are really cool, the graphics are STUNNING, and the story, while very different from other Halo games, is pretty solid. i think alot of the vitriol that 4 gets comes from the fact that 343 keeps trying to undo things theyd done in their previous Halo games. from what i know, 5 undid alot that was done in 4, then Infinite undid alot of stuff from 5. 343's Halo suffers from an identity crisis, and doesnt know what it wants to be story wise. people keep hating their stories so they decide to try something different with each game, making it not feel cohesive as a narrative experience.

[remote scarab]

exactly, I'll be the first person to agree that H3 isn't THAT good, but it's mainly the cultural impact it had on the gaming space and Halo as a brand, and the fondness of the time it came out. It's very hard for a game to replicate that level of success nowadays, besides something like Fortnite, I can't think of any game that's had a similar impact. Most people don't play H3 because it's some perfect game, it's mainly due to it just being the most popular one. Tomatoes might be thrown at me for this, but I genuinely feel like many of Infinite's core mechanics are actually better than H3 (at least in a multiplayer sense)

[last dust]

3 is my 3rd favorite game in the series. behind CE and ODST. 3 is definitely not the best Halo game, but i say it deserves the praise it gets from a story, level design and gameplay perspective. the only issues story wise are that:

1. its Halo 2 part 2.
2. Truth is COMPLETELY different in 3 than he was in 2. still a good villain, just not consistent.

[remote scarab]

i completely agree, most of the hate is just from the change it bought. As a game, it's pretty good, but especially after the community really turned on Reach, it just felt like H4 strayed even further away from the core of Halo, and H5 followed that trend. Not to mention how a lot of the community spun it into this angle of "343i don't get Halo, they don't understand Halo" despite MOST of the gameplay changes actually being introduced in Reach, like loadouts and sprint, but most people will point to H4 as the point where Halo stopped being Halo, even though I'd actually argue that Reach really bought in a lot of these aesthetic and gameplay changes that people blame 343i for

I think 343i have gotten really overblamed for the issues with recent Halo, they really did follow many of the pre-established setups that Bungie left for H4, and whilst they did change the aesthetic to some degree, a lot of it started with Reach and with H4 being built off Reach, it just followed that, not to mention that H4 was the start of a new trilogy and they wanted to overhaul the visual design. Of course I do think 343i have made some pretty poor decisions with the franchise, but so did Bungie. People really forget that people hated Reach, and a lot of the goodwill towards it is only because it's a Bungie game, and people will blindly love anything that 343i didn't make lol

[last dust]

honestly Reach felt like it wanted to bring back the things that CE did, and mix it in with new stuff. which is not a bad thing, but then people criticize 343 for doing something even more different with 4 onwards. series do need to change and evolve, its just that halo fans want something akin to the bungie titles and wont accept anything different. but this isnt bungie halo anymore. this is 343 halo. and 343 halo is doing its own thing, cause why would they do the same things that bungie did?

heck, people LOVED ODST and that is WILDLY different from other Halo games

ODST had a completely different writing style, different pacing, different vibe.

why does ODST get praise for being different but 4 gets hate?

[remote scarab]

The sprint debate is a perfect example of this, a lot of popular creators and figures in the community really focused on things like sprinting as negatives towards 343i Halo, when Reach introduced it and it was very clear that if Bungie had made H4, it would've had sprint to some degree. It's really frustrating to me that people want to essentially play HCE/H2/H3 gameplay forever, when literally every other franchise has evolved its gameplay and mechanics. Yes, there should always be Halo styled mechanics in Halo games, but when people lose their minds over things like sprinting, it really makes me question what people actually want. At least to me, it's pretty clear that people only want "different" if it's Bungie doing it, and any change 343i makes is them "destroying" the identity of the franchise. And whilst there are good points that people make, like ADS not really fitting Halo's gameplay because of descoping being such a core mechanic, Infinite really fixed a lot of these issues with fair compromises and I feel it doesn't get the recognition for that it deserves. They really made sprinting, a version of ADS and advanced movement work in Halo's sandbox, and I've heard barely anyone appreciate that, but as soon as 343i do something wrong, everyone suddenly has an opinion lol

[civic sundial]

To get even more into Bungie and sprint, they originally planned to add it into Halo 2

So it's clear that Bungie thought that the game needed the mechanic years before they finally added it to a Halo game

[remote scarab]

Exactly, it's like people pretend that Bungie were really against sprinting, they literally concepted it for H2 and actually added it in H:Reach, this isn't some dude on the 343i team saying "well cod has sprint so halo must have it" like A LOT of people love to paint it as

meant Reach not H3 lmao

[signal ivy]

also reach introduced the loadout system

which 343 expanded on in 4

[last dust]

people wanna only play bungie halo because its what they grew up with. they dont WANT to see their favorite series do different things, unless, like we've established, bungie does it. and people act like the bungie games are these flawless masterpieces, but theyre not. every game has flaws. the entirety of the library feels like a chore to get through despite its cool aesthetics and narrative importance, snipers in 2 sucked to go against in the campaign, etc. i love all the halo games ive played so far, but i still like seeing the series try new things. and people gotta stop saying 343 ruined the franchise. they didnt. they just tried something new and really its up to interpretation whether or not that new direction worked.

[humble widget]

Not sure if this is the best place to ask but, are the G2 season 1 shaders ever coming back? Or are they vaulted for good. I noticed they were missing with the year 1 relaunch.

[civic sundial]

If I recall, that was also something they planned on adding back in Halo 2 as well

[last dust]

honestly i was fine with halo not having sprint, since it did force me to be more aware of my surroundings. i feel like having a go fast button takes away from that, but thats just personal preference.

[civic sundial]

Fair

I don't mind it being in Halo so long as the environments are designed with it in mind, which is the case for most you see in the games with sprint

[humble widget]

Honestly infinite sprint basically got its legs broken. You're like maybe a 1.1 times faster than just moving normally.

[onyx latch]

It's more an accomodator of additional movement mechanics like sliding.

[last dust]

oh yeah, and 4 deff has sprint catered envrionments and theyre fun

[onyx latch]

Biggest issue I really have with Infinite is the utter removal of ground pound and stabilizers.

Like, in terms of raw moment-to-moment gameplay.

[civic sundial]

Like, let's take Midship from Halo 2, when that got remade into Truth for Halo 5, they made the map larger to accommodate the ability to sprint and other abilities the player would have access to in normal gameplay

[onyx latch]

I don't mind Spartan Charge being gone, but man do I miss having verticality in the sense of ground pound and stabilizers.

[civic sundial]

If they had kept the size of Midship the same, it would've been horrible to play on

[last dust]

yeah, which is understandable. they knew that longtime fans didnt like how fast you went in 4 and 5, and wanted to still have sprint but nerf it in a way thatd still force you to actually be mindful of your positioning instead of relying on the go fast button to get out of a scrape.

[onyx latch]

Hey, wanna know something funny?

4 and 5 sprint is actually slower than Reach Sprint

[last dust]

i didnt even realize, but that makes sense since reach's sprint was on a meter

[humble widget]

Reach sprint was a temporary thing which is why it had more power to it in fairness

[civic sundial]

I do kinda wish they'd give it a small increase in sprint speed in Infinite, maybe from the 1.1X speed you get to something like 1.5

[humble widget]

1.5 speed would be unfeasible with the current map design philosophy. You'd need to increase them dramatically.

[last dust]

yeah map design plays a BIG part in how they handle movement

[civic sundial]

That is true

[humble widget]

I would like some btb maps that allow for better heavy vehicle play

[last dust]

bungie's halo maps tended to be alot more close quarters in non BTB modes since your movement was slower and they wanted players to actually have fun traversing the maps

[humble widget]

The launch maps and even extra 2 maps still suffer from that problem of a big space but very little maneuverability

[onyx latch]

It's still really funny to me that the midship thing was ever construed as bad.

Are people really so dense as to believe that you shouldn't adjust your map to fit the game's mechanics?

[civic sundial]

I still see people claiming it's bad they made the changes to the map's size to this day

[humble widget]

A key part of bringing back old maps is that they still need to feel as big as they were back then. Being able to move quickly in something midship sized makes it feel tiny as a result.

[civic sundial]

I'm not gonna pretend like I'm a top level level designer but one of the first things I learnt was to think about the abilities the player has access to

[last dust]

how dare they adjust the map to make it more fun to traverse with the games movement

[onyx latch]

I mean... Midship is tiny. It's easily one of the smallest maps in the game.

[humble widget]

Granted midship was small, even back then, but crossing it in like 2 seconds would feel weird and off

[civic sundial]

I honestly think Midship is even too small for the game it originated from so Halo 5's version is my preferred version of the map

[onyx latch]

My preferred version of Midship is the reality where it just didn't exist as a map at all, lmao.

[civic sundial]

Fair

[last dust]

ive never touched Halo 5 at all(didnt have an xbox, and even nowadays i have to use my roommates xbox to play it and havent been wanting to). is the multiplayer good?

[onyx latch]

It's pretty good, yeah.

[humble widget]

I don't even like midship in general 💀 it's an awful map and I always question why it gets brought back

[onyx latch]

Lots of guns, good mobility and movement options, good control scheme. Problably the best game in terms of giving every Spartan the exact same toolkit, being a very diverse toolkit in terms of mobility.

[civic sundial]

Multiplayer was definitely fun back when I played it loads but it isn't as populated these days

[onyx latch]

The only thing I loathe about 5 is the whole 'balancing' thing they did that keeps your shields from recharging if you sprint.

[last dust]

then maybe ill check it out once i finish the campaign. campaign will be a good way to get used to the games mechanics.

[civic sundial]

There's also plenty of weapons to mess around with in the multiplayer

[onyx latch]

Yepyep. Oh, you can choose characters in co-op in 5.

[last dust]

YAAAAY

[civic sundial]

I wish they allowed us to do that when playing single player

[last dust]

nah you always gotta play as chief, its da rulez

[civic sundial]

Like, I have never played co-op in Halo 5 and it annoys me so much

[last dust]

is it true that most of 5 is forcing you to play as Locke?

[humble widget]

I think 5 out of the 8 you play as Osiris yeah?

[civic sundial]

You do play as Locke for most of the campaign in Halo 5, yes

[last dust]

but.. why

iirc halo 2 had a better balancing with master chief and arby levels

[humble widget]

I think if Locke wasn't built up with Nightfall and was just known as an ONI spook he'd have gotten a better reception. Especially if he was cold as hell

[civic sundial]

They wanted to change things up in Halo 5. Honestly, playing as Locke is not the issue

[last dust]

if the issue is actual story, ill see when i play it

[humble widget]

Yeah the story is honestly the weakest narrative IMO.

I think narrative team shoehorned themselves into a corner with the removal of Didact in the comics.

[onyx latch]

Chief's side of the story is honestly the lesser half. Ironically, it also does the most work in explaining Cortana's motivations.

[last dust]

man, i like the didact as a villain. sad that hes not really in later games

[onyx latch]

I think people's obsessive focus on the Didact as a main villain actually bricks their ability to understand 5's story, which is a continuation of 4's main themes.

They're missing the main plot for the side plot.

[last dust]

tbf, halo 1, 2, and 3 all naturally flowed into each other. they didnt just. randomly remove the flood, you know?

[humble widget]

I think that's an unfair observation. Halo 4s theme of exploring chiefs Humanity and his loss of Cortana got thrown up into the air with the Created plot point.

[last dust]

gravemind didnt just go away at the end of 2

[onyx latch]

Except... It didn't. And I'm going to hate having to explain this with my phone.

Because of course my wifi went out now.

[last dust]

if yall getting into heavy 5 spoilers imma dip out of this convo. i know its an old game so obviously i dont expect spoiler tags, but i also dont wanna get spoiled on a game i actively intend on playing

[humble widget]

It may, but im willing to spoiler tag in case.

[last dust]

i appreciate that:)

[onyx latch]

The parts people miss about 4, and 5, is that the Didact's not really the point of 4; Cortana's problems are, and Chief's mentality and how he deals with it is central to both games in spite of his relative lack of presence in 5.

Yes, the Didact is absolutely the main bad guy of 4, but he's a narrative signifier of obsession; He's obsessed with continuing his war against humanity and the flood. He's mad, and he gets put down for it. But for all that, he's also not the central focus of the game; He is the motivator, not the point.

In 5, it continues 4's story by focusing once again on Cortana, and her actions and mindset; the ramifications of her actions to stop the Didact in 4, inspirations and strategies gleaned from Cortana's knowledge of the Forerunners, and the terror and pain of having spilled virtual blood, losing her mind and herself, and even effectively dying, all play a major part in 5's story.

And I hate typing this out on a phone, btw.

[onyx latch]

Honestly, if Escalations had been the Spartan Ops expansions like they had meant for it to be, and the advertising team communicated more, I think people would've actually been able to understand this. The Didact's a great villain, yeah, but the combination of people not getting the point of his character and the narrative of N72H bringing him back did a number on people's ability to accept or get how 4 and 5 are actually connected around the struggles of Cortana, instead of separate narratives.

(I don't actually personally think the Didact is a very compelling villain, but man's got decorum, so that's something I get at least.)

[magic loom]

I would of loved to have seen the gravemind from Halo 3 and Didact interact and talk with each other, they have such interesting way of talking

I despise Prometheans but its sad we never got to see them fight the flood in any way in the games

[humble widget]

You could incorporate a majority of Halo 5s plot and theme line for line if there was still the presence of a foil like didact. Halo 5 lacked that, in a massive way. || Warden Eternal would be a more compelling villain if he was enslaved to someone like Didact, his obsession with protecting th3 domain would perfectly mirrir that of Didact and Chiefs hunt for cortana, who's obsession would almost certainly lead him to Geneis and the domain, with using the last fragments of Cortana following suit and having a real goodbye as she becomes part of the domains collective echo||

[magic loom]

Halo 5 was just a bunch of ideas and it didnt go very well, even the Didact was suppose to be the villain

[humble widget]

I'd argue those pains heavily contributed to the story of Infinite in a sense. The hand of Atriox themselves weren't very interesting.

[magic loom]

Im still trying to figure out what the domain was, all the promethean stuff was just dropped in Halo Infinite, dont remember it being mentioned anywhere in campaign.

There was Cortana covenant as going on as well, dunno what became of that

[humble widget]

The Domain is a living collective consciousness from the time of the precursors. It contains echoes and remnants of those who've used it and acts as an organic hard drive during the time of the Forerunners.

[worn iron]

Goes back to what was said earlier-- community was polarized of hating/loving 4 and 5. I think both games had really solid elements (Spartan Ops, Warzone Firefight) that should've been in Infinite, but alas weren't.

Promethean content seemed a bit divisive in general

[humble widget]

I think it's implied that chief and Halsey both gained temporary access to the domain from the echoes of Librarian on Reqiuem

[magic loom]

Spartan Ops was a dreadful mess in Halo 4. I do think warzone firefight was more fleshed out

[humble widget]

I think 4 was honestly a decent campaign. Most of the comments sbout it were directed at Sarah Palmer.

MP was passable I guess?

Spartan ops definitely got wasted IMO.

Would have served as an amazing opportunity to build up Jul M'dama outside the books.

But even he got wasted immediately into Halo 5

[worn iron]

Spartan Ops was good as a standalone mode but shouldn't have replaced firefight

I think it was more the story/getting to see your Spartan in other content that sold it for me

[humble widget]

Firefight just isn't risky. ff koth is the most innovative the mode has been since ODST.

[magic loom]

They lacked creativity when they were doing Ops in Halo 4 even the name of it made no sense

[worn iron]

I agree, FF KOTH makes it challenging

It's no longer "kill bad guys" but rather "kill bad guys in this super-confined area"

[humble widget]

I think reach had a good leaning with the generator defense mode for FF but people tended to leave it

[worn iron]

People not playing objectives? Color me shocked... (joking aside, you're right)

[humble widget]

The appeal of firefight was that you could be vulnerable. There's some of that in higher difficulty modes but only a semblance.

[magic loom]

I love FF KOTH it a cool defence mode

[worn iron]

Yeah, I run Legendary with a group from here and it really comes down to poor decision-making or dumb luck rather than difficulty

[magic loom]

It was not put together well but could be brought back with more polish

[humble widget]

I think the next step would be to make more aggressive based objectives, like Invasion. Serves as an excellent learning example.

An invasion like mode for FF would be phenomenal

[worn iron]

Even something like Warzone with a massive map and vehicles would be fun

[worn iron]

This got me thinking-- some type of escort mode would be really, really interesting. Get an Elephant from one spot to another or something

[magic loom]

FF KOTH, they have to give us real firefighnt maps and not use just random ones from MP

[humble widget]

I honestly think forgers would be able to come up with something insane for that.

[magic loom]

That sounds possible to do in forge, attach the hill to a moving prefab being the elephant and have enemies attacking you, that would work I think

[magic loom]

Issue is when 343 released AI in forge they didnt give any tutorial on how waves work in forge so people lke me cant really do that

[onyx latch]

Problem is, Cortana doing what Cortana did on her own initiative is kind of the whole point of the plot. It's why Didact wouldn't work with 5's plot whatsoever, and likely why he was trimmed out (unnecessarily, IMO, as who the hell would know he survived in 4 if it weren't for N72H?)

[worn iron]

A good point-- we're getting some pretty insane modes due to people in Forge

[humble widget]

Which is why I fundamentally find it to be a weak point. Cortana was long established to be able to break and bend the rules at whim, which honestly didn't bring anything new to her character

[magic loom]

Everyone during Halo 5 was very mad at Cortana returning since it made the ending of Halo 4 lesser, it was one hell of a time. Me? I didnt know what to think

[onyx latch]

5's what actually salvaged the entire character for me.

I figured they'd bring her back, but them actually defying my expectations and having her do something new, in defiance of @humble widget 's statement, is part of why I find people's inability to understand that part of 5's plot so galling.

[magic loom]

Can we just have the fun AI companion from Halo 1 back? she was the best in Halo 1 in my eyes

[signal ivy]

we have the weapon now 🙂

I love the weapon in Infinite

[magic loom]

Thanks for the reminder, Weapon is a great addition

[signal ivy]

agreed

[onyx latch]

I... Am either neutral or utterly abhor The Weapon. Because she's basically an unearned replacement goldfish.

[humble widget]

I'm honestly uncertain how I feel about the weapon.

[onyx latch]

Sure, she's funny, but her actual role is basically "See? We brought back fun Cortana!"

[humble widget]

Agreed on that point

[worn iron]

I just wish we got more random dialogue from her. Once you 100% the campaign, you never hear her again and it's weird imo

[onyx latch]

I'm oversimplifying her character a little, but I wish I could say that it was more than a little.

[magic loom]

I like a more fun story which is why I like Halo 1,2 and 3 rather than a moody Halo 4 type story

[humble widget]

Halo 3 was quite moody if you ask me

[worn iron]

Nah I do think you're right, it's almost like retconning the whole of 4/5 to be like "hey look you have Cortana back!"

[humble widget]

Reach being the moodiest of all

[magic loom]

For me it had a good balance between seriousness and sadness, Halo 4 its just pure sadness the whole the story and complimented by Prometheans which honestly were their worst versions.

[worn iron]

Speaking of, I miss firefight voices

[humble widget]

Halo 4 established a sense of urgency quite well with Cortanas rampancy situation if you ask me. It ended in tragedy yeah but her plot line was very well done.

[onyx latch]

The breaking and bending of the rules 'on a whim' hit a wall in 4, which is why her actions in 5 are likewise pretty deep cutting; in which Cortana's motivations are very, very similar to Halsey's; The path to hell is paved with good intentions. Cortana's actions in 5 emulate that of her donor extremely well, which is why Escalation is such an important plot point despite having a bunch of very goofy, illogical scenes in its earlier runtime; Halsey's goals in 4 were to essentially do what she could to get revenge on ONI and to basically enlighten humanity, and her experiences in Escalation basically humbled her against taking 'shortcuts' like she was trying.

What Cortana was doing, the lesson she didn't have to learn in 4 through her self sacrifice and the humbling she never properly received (Until Infinite), was very similar. Forcing the good, forcing past the struggle, in the fastest and quickest way with the most unfortunate pile of corpses possible.

[magic loom]

Chief's Firefight voice was so much fun listening to, makes me wish I could use it in Reach's campaign

[onyx latch]

It's part of why she's so eager to fall back into the UNSC's clutches in 5; She figures out Cortana is absolutely alive, and in fact, that's the entire reason the Prometheans turned on Jul; They had outlived their usefulness and Halsey figured out what was going on.

Escalation, as well, was instrumental in showing that Jul, likewise, had outlived his usefulness.

[humble widget]

I always think it's funky that Halsey somehow had another flash clone brain to make another cortana level smart AI

[magic loom]

The story to me was just very mopy. The number 1 thing for me was the gameplay and it really fell off there

[humble widget]

The thing is we had to find that out from the novellas. To which only a small fraction of Halo fans in general end up doing.

[onyx latch]

This is also heavily outlined in ||the end of the Breaking, when Chief talks to Cortana about the pile of bodies in the Guardian's wake. Like Halsey, Cortana knows and deeply regrets the bodies it is costing to get her work done; But she stomachs it down and keeps pushing on, silencing the dissent and pushing forward in spite of it.||

[humble widget]

Take someone whos nonly played the games, they're gonna say 'Halo 5 plot is whack and terrible'

[onyx latch]

There's a reason I'm so damn insistent on my frustration about Escalation being the canned Ops plot.

[humble widget]

Justifying it with book lore was a terrible execution

[onyx latch]

It wasn't meant to be book lore.

If anything I'd blame that entirely on the push for 4 on the 360, and having to unceremoniously drop Ops.

On top of that, it mostly smooths over the points; I came to the conclusion I'm discussing now before I even read Escalations.

Which I only read last year.

[humble widget]

There's a lot of bad decisions that were made. I think the critique given in the handling of the journey between 4, 5 and infinite was fair.

[onyx latch]

There's a difference between based and informed critique and mindless, uninformed whinging.

[humble widget]

I just don't know if it's fair to say that it's entirely the fault of sole individuals in the process tho

[onyx latch]

I don't mean 'based' as in 'based, the meme'.

[humble widget]

Bit too harsh IMO

[onyx latch]

I mean, like, based on information.

[humble widget]

Ah I get you don't worry,

[onyx latch]

Oh, absolutely. I actually really want to pick Reed's brain over that whole thing, but no way in hell he'd do that-he's gone dark on all of his accounts circa 2018ish.

His last work with Halo was the Wars 2 plot.

[humble widget]

Halo Wars 2 had great ground establishment of characters imo.

[humble widget]

Honestly don't think devs should be left to hang like that to the maw of some passionate fans.

MS did an extremely poor job of protecting their front facing staff

[onyx latch]

Well, you can't really go out and bash people over it, sadly. Look at every time Uny ever has even a mild snap back at, say, Mint Blitz for spreading misinfo.

[humble widget]

Uny doesn't even snap. I'd actually say his 'cold takes' are well within reason when he's constantly harassed and he's a lot more patient than most CMs are willing to be.

[onyx latch]

It's like tossing a paperclip at someone for being too loud, is what I mean.

[humble widget]

Dmg04 and Hippy from Bungie were definitely exemplars of that tho

[onyx latch]

Course, there's a few CMs who lost their patience on things that I honestly kinda get.

[magic loom]

Mint has alot of footage in his videos that show how he has tested stuff, I believe alot of what he says.

[onyx latch]

Like that time one of the Darktide CM's said that some members of the Vermintide/Darktide community were 'pearl clutchers'.

[humble widget]

Well known community members to tend to strike at the wrong people quite a lot though.

[onyx latch]

Which, I'd honestly use that same term to describe a staggering amount of the Halo fans on Twitter, lmao.

[magic loom]

All this lore talk and but I think thats the issue

[humble widget]

Highlighting it is one thing but constantly dragging it when it's not a current focus is gonna wear most people down

[onyx latch]

When it comes to actual gameplay mechanics, sure. But I'd take Uny's word over Mint's when it comes to the understanding of matchmaking systems, which is what I'm referring to as an inciting incident.

[humble widget]

Honestly some people need that reality check. Terminally online interactions have cleaved a hole in the ability to communicate properly

[onyx latch]

I mean, they need that check, but no way in hell are they going to look internally when someone calls them a pearl clutcher for something they're mad about.

It's rare enough to have someone with the introspection to realize they are overreacting on the spot in person, let alone in the funni consequence free zone that is the internet.

[humble widget]

Gaming culture is genuinely wild. Bugged games in the early 00s were basically 'oh I need to get a new version now or find a workaround.' Patching problems is genuinely the most privileged thing gamers can get now lmao

[onyx latch]

I remember back in the Halo 2 days, when someone complained about the sniper being too strong a weapon, and the Bungie response was highlighting the complaint on their primary feed on their homepage with the caption "Somebody call the Waaaaambulance!"

[humble widget]

Tbf that's back when bungie still had personality

They knew their crowd

[magic loom]

Bungie that did Halo 1,2 and 3, damn I think they were a good company

[onyx latch]

Eh. They were hard carried by funding and support because Microsoft was positively desperate for a solid foundational IP like Halo at the time.

[humble widget]

Halo 2 was the disaster that broke them though

I don't think Jason Jones has been in reality since

[magic loom]

And still halo 2 argued to be one of the best Halo games and I agree there

[onyx latch]

I've heard a few times that actually had less to do with them crunching at all, but more to do with the fact that they really dragged their feet for a while before starting on 2.

And so that just magnified the crunch way harder.

[humble widget]

That's because 2 had a critical disaster and they needed to rebuild from scratch

[onyx latch]

Oof.

[humble widget]

That crunch would kill anyone

[magic loom]

I hear they wanted to stop at Halo 1

[humble widget]

It's why it's still regarded now as the most insane one ever

[onyx latch]

I do wonder how much of that was due to poor managerial practices at the time.

I've heard a lot about that era, and it sounds... infuriating.

[humble widget]

Definitely. MS needed to come in and dictate to them, but sides were picked between higher ups at bungie during and after that

Marty as cracked as he is has an insane conspiracy about that time about how Pete Parsons was ousted from bungie and returned to ruin it from within lmao

[worn iron]

Everything I've read/heard about H2 makes me surprised it even launched at all

[onyx latch]

Marty's just all sort of nutty at this point and I think it's just unwise to discuss him in general.

I did find out that apparently, he's the reason there was never a separate music slider for the Halo games before 5 and MCC.

[worn iron]

For music volume?

[onyx latch]

Yeah.

[worn iron]

"Everybody must listen to my music."

[onyx latch]

It also turns off dialogue when you turn on your own music on the 360 games.

[worn iron]

Probably a clause somewhere that demanded that lol

[magic loom]

They had some real ambition making that game. You get to play as an elite in campaign, expanding the story of the covies. Dual wielding was fun as hell, you get to travel to the covenants main fortress planet whatever its called. Flood come back and they can drive vehicles. Chief gets new armor. Dialogue is cool as well

The cliff hanger did suck though but that was due to them running out of time. Some guy found the real last level

I had a fun time playing Halo 2 but but it left me wanting MORE

[worn iron]

Oh absolutely. The game itself, looking back, was pretty insane for the time. But it was ever so close to not happening at all, and even still a lot of content got cut

[onyx latch]

The one super positive thing I will say about Halo 2's campaign is, at least it doesn't have a damn warthog run where you just drive.

[humble widget]

He's been trying to bank on goodwill recently cause of his post bungie drama lmao

Doesn't surprise me that his ego resulted in that

[worn iron]

I feel like a Warthog run is a good call-back, but not a necessity to the story

[onyx latch]

I don't really have a lot of respect for 'tradition', especially if the tradition is something akin to tearing your nails off with pliers after a therapeutic massage.

[worn iron]

I do like how "The Road" in Infinite was like a Warthog Run-type mission, but where you were encouraged to battle it out too and not just drive

[magic loom]

The Warthog run was planned to be the actual final level of Halo 2 and it would of looked the coolest next to Halo 3

[humble widget]

The pillar of autumn run was great. What's not great is repeating it 3 more times lmao

[onyx latch]

Oh, wow, I sure am having a ton of fun with this shooter game, I sure hope nothing forces me to drive through the rest of this level with floaty and imprecise driving physics.

[worn iron]

Sounds like somebody drove off the map... (Jokes aside, you have a point in its repetitiveness)

[magic loom]

Autumn one was just garbage to me and didnt fit the Warthog at all but Halo 3 and Halo 2, solid as hell

[onyx latch]

What's funny is, I got really good at driving in earlier Halo games, and current ones, specifically because of how much I hate those levels.

[worn iron]

Lol same...

[onyx latch]

Because the only thing I hate more than having to do them at all, is having to do them again.

[humble widget]

Autumn one was hilariously funny due to the physics where you could kill yourself if you flipper by accident and got kicked out

[worn iron]

I actually liked the Gbraakon Escape sequence a lot

[magic loom]

For me some parts were crampted in CE. Halo 1 campaign really didnt do it for me, just did not enjoying playing it

[worn iron]

Basically a warthog run minus the warthog

[onyx latch]

I mean, it's helped by the fact you aren't driving.

[worn iron]

Agreed

[onyx latch]

Also why The Road is a good level, as you mentioned earlier-you can choose to drive or fight. Me, I one man armied that entire level on foot, because I didn't want to touch a vehicle.

[humble widget]

Iirc isn't there an achievement associated with that

[onyx latch]

Yeah. I didn't get it because I got in a vehicle for a bit, like, a minute, before deciding to finish it on foot.

[north briar]

Which Halo Infinite Core offers the most customisation across the board

[white birch]

The Road is less Chief moving to escape some massive catastraphy he unintentionally created; its the opposite.
Its him going forward to ensure another one doesnt happen, and purging any xenos dumb enough to stand in his way.
Which is...all of them, because Escharum said "stop him" and they followed orders.

[white birch]

"Make sure every Banished is down. Secure the position. Sweep and clear."
"NO SURVIVORS."

[thorn sierra]

does anyone knows a easy to use low poly game engine that can simulate the style of halo CE?

[celest heron]

https://twitter.com/HaloSupport/status/1757113996673687735

Halo Support (@HaloSupport) on X

A small patch for #HaloMCC is planned to release later this week. We'll update here when the patch is available for download, so stay tuned! Mod creators: to ensure your Steam Workshop mods work on the new build, use the Excession tool to update the Max Game Version to 1.3385.0.0

Twitter · Feb 12, 2024, 6:46 PM

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[ruby knoll]

color me surprised. i hope this improves stability

[last dust]

alright, now that ive finished Halo 4, i can rank all the games in the master chief collection from favorite to least favorite:
ODST
CE
4
3
2
Reach

[zinc flax]

I believe it’s upside down sir

ODST can stay tho

[ruby knoll]

is that in terms of gameplay or gameplay+story

[last dust]

gameplay and story. in CE's case its less the story itself and more about how its simple story was executed

[last dust]

its right side up.

[smoky wave]

Reach the least? Based?

[last dust]

i liked reach its just the most forgettable to me

i get why people like it so much, but the other halo games have so much more to offer me personally

Reach is a very setting driven story, which isnt my vibe usually. i like character driven stories, hence why ODST is so high up for me

[onyx latch]

Actually the most based tier listing I've ever seen. Like, actually exuding a physical and intensely powerful essence.

[full warren]

took a break and come back and the match making gotten worse, how is that possible

[onyx latch]

Because you're gaslighting yourself.

[full warren]

I guess I was just an indiot and hoped something magically changed but it didn;t

[last dust]

im honestly surprised i have people agreeing with me on this list, i thought id get flack for 2 and 3 being so low

[onyx latch]

The only thing I'd really swap on my own is putting 2 and 3 below Reach, and part of that is because of just how much I absolutely detest how those two play.

[last dust]

2 and 3 suffer from story problems and some iffy level design

but reach was so forgettable

[onyx latch]

Level design is problably the biggest qualm I have outside of just simplifying the gameplay so much from even CE, and CE was just bone simple.

[last dust]

CE's complexity came from the weapons sandbox and the expansive level design, mixed with the well designed encounters.

[onyx latch]

Yep. Versus "Yeah we'll just throw an endless tide of flood at you for gondola after gondola". When the only level in CE that does that is still more fun, you dun messed up.

[last dust]

the library only worked because it was an outlier

and i still hate the library, but its really good from a narrative and aesthetic pov

[onyx latch]

I mean, I prefer CE's healthy system because it also added a sense of urgency. The Library is easily my favorite OT level by a country mile, in fact.

[last dust]

i prefer the health system from CE as well, and im glad it had a return in ODST and Reach. my favorite level in the entire series is 343 guilty spark

the horror vibes in that level. the atmosphere. the tension. the build up.

[onyx latch]

Eh, I didn't particularly care for that one, but then, I grew up watching monster movies and I was fresh off The Thing.

It kinda insulates you against horror when you're that weird kid who's into surgery videos and body horror films.

[last dust]

i grew up on horror as well. i still found that level to be really effective at conveying the horror of the situation, and it was overall a very spooky level in a very non spooky game

[onyx latch]

🤷‍♂️

Different strokes for different folks, I guess

[last dust]

but we can agree that ODST is peak halo at least

ODST is a masterpiece

[magic night]

I don't agree

There's a lot I like about ODST, but it's got plenty of flaws that keep it from being the best.

[onyx latch]

It's the one I enjoy replaying the most, so.

[full warren]

I can loss 5 games in a row but the game wont let me win 2 in a row, literally just want to not be on a lossing streak so I can quit playing

[left snow]

Swings and roundabouts. Luck and form. Take a break and come back to it fresh.

[full warren]

5 wins 16 losses. in 21 games today

Even if its intended

Can they not atleast blanced it out a bit so its not just a whole day of bad games. give me 1h of loss and 1h of win keep me happy not 4 hours of constant lossing

I given up asking for better match making I am now asking to give me games that are pre determined but with a rythm lol

[left snow]

I've had worse. 😦

And like any skill, fatigue and frustration have an effect. The harder and longer you go - the worse it can be.

And yes. The MM is supposed to react to form... But sometimes I feel it gets stuck with the matches it creates. The low population doesn't give it the options it needs.

Plus - the widely skilled squads. You can maintain your MMR through KPM. Which probably slows your MMR fall. Which is not necessarily what you want on a losing streak?

...
A few weeks ago you went 11 from 12.

But I agree that longer runs are not ideal.

[full warren]

THose are firefight

[left snow]

From an online calculator this is 1.48% chance - flipping exactly 5 heads out of 20 tosses.

So about 1 in a 70.

That is, around one in every seventy players who sits down to play 20 odd games will expect to get only 5 wins.

[full warren]

Well better increase that odds since I lost 2 more

Its just literally immpossible I even checked halo tracker and I am getting the expected kills and death

like the game is prediction what I will do but still think I need to lose more

[left snow]

From Jan 10. Quickplay, H3, and BTB.

[left snow]

At some stage you get "tilted" and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. 🙂

But yes. You are increasing the odds against now. 😄

Something like 0.4%

[left snow]

Game doesn't think you need to win or lose. Just get put into a game with as even odds as it can make it.

[full warren]

If it really is even odds then this kind of lossing stream will never happen

its weighting me to loss right now and there is nothign I can do. I jsut did 31/11 in a slyer and we lost, like there is a point you can obviously see its not allowing people to win

[left snow]

Everyone will have a pivot point in time.

Early in your session you are fresh and alert. You will probably win more than 50% of your games.

Fatigue then sets in. And your W/L will drop to the pivot point of 50:50.

Keep going and you will slowly drift down.

In Poker they talk about recognising fatigue and getting out before your extended play drops you below a profitable W/L.

[full warren]

I literally started the day on losses lol

Literally no different to what I am playing, I am actually probably better now I can tell my aim is better but wow the team mates , 4 quits in my game

after we go down 2 kills... 2 kills and they quit

[left snow]

If you were already in bad form at the start... you probably don't have much chance four or five hours later.

[full warren]

I mean my stats is fine

[left snow]

😦 I feel you. I had 7 games out of about 12 ruined in Ranked by quitters. It just makes the whole thing pointless.

[left snow]

Fair point.

Maybe take half an hour off. Freshen up. And see if that does anything?

[full warren]

I won, finally 23 games 6 wins... wow

20% win rate, with 1.78 KD If I see anymore 5th as a finishing score I am going to be sick.

I really hope firefight is not counted because I played a ton of them then this.... Really amkes me not want to play firefight again because its will mess up the match making

[crystal iron]

c

YOOOOOO friend me and dm me if you want to play!

[sleek hatch]

https://twitter.com/halosupport/status/1757161274721616010?s=46&t=JYmA-3Ed5oIPTOE9SY6b1g

[full warren]

LOL i wonder if ranked is messed up could they also messed up social because I assume they use the same match making model just way more relaxed in social

I thoguht I try 1 more games, all 3 team mates quit and after 2-3 people join and quit it was left with me and 3 bots lol,

I guess i wont count this as a loss but with the quitters, I seen them before but this kind of mass quitting is just crazy

[worn iron]

Has there been any confirmation that FF actually impacts SBMM?

I'm fairly certain there is no skill-based matchmaking in firefight at all.

[full warren]

Well tehre cant be skill based in firefight but does the kills you get in that affect your sbmm is what I am curious because before today I been spamming firefight

like over 50-70 games then when I switch back to pvp and I get the worst lose streak ever and some of the worst team mates and quitters. There must been something that changed in that 70 firefight games.

and the number of 4 solo vs 4-man premade is getting out of hand, I think I met already 5 teams of 4 man premade in my 25 games, that is 20%... rest is all 3 man and duo. I just want to play solo in peace lol

[worn iron]

Unlikely. There aren't any SBMM aspects in Firefight, so it's probably not being tracked. But I'm not a developer, so I can only speak to what's been said here/elsewhere.

I'd venture to say that maybe you're just getting bad luck with randoms. Try finding a squad on here to play with, see if you improve.

[full warren]

But I dont like playing with people its always a hassle, you either wait for them to get online, etc I just play solo

[worn iron]

Then you're going to get whatever hand you're dealt, I'm afraid. If I try to play Legendary FF KOTH with randoms, I get the worst players. But if I play with my squad, we can go 5-0 without any of us dying.

[full warren]

Sounds like the game penalise playing solo to me

a simple solo/duo for all play list will be good, I bet 90% of the players will pick that over playing vs squads

[worn iron]

Not really. Where Infinite falls short is the lack of people that use game chat. By default, communications are turned off, which makes it hard to talk to your team when half of them probably don't have the setting unchecked.

In traditional Halo titles you at least had party chats and such. Now you have to do it via Discord or in-game (which again, is turned off by default)

[full warren]

no one talks in online game anymore

gone are the times of talking

[worn iron]

Communication is key in any game. It always has been.

If you can't talk to your teammates, you're going to get stomped by people who take advantage of it

And that's likely what you're experiencing as a solo player

[full warren]

Just remove voice chat done, actualyl that does nothing since people only use discord for team chat anyway lol

[onyx latch]

Crab bucket, crab bucket

[last dust]

someone in 3 multiplayer called me dumb so I turned off voice chat entirely lol

[smoky forge]

It seems pretty clear to me that gaming studios / publishers are becoming more "risk averse" with online communications, and reducing options across the board.
Moderating bad behavior seems like it takes up more effort than its perceived worth.
Xbox's don't ship with microphones anymore, and voice chat is disabled by default.
Couple that with some extremely overzealous text chat filters and we've got silent lobbies.
In Infinite you have 0 ways to communicate with the enemy team, so you can't even say GG to someone.

It is sad to me, as some of my longest gaming friends were met on opposite teams. The world is more connected than ever, but feels lonelier than ever.
Maybe part of it is that in 2004 when XBL and Halo 2 launched (with xboxes shipping headsets) it was still new and exciting to talk to strangers on the internet.
Now, not so much

[worn iron]

Dude wants no communication capabilities since he hasn't figured out he too can use voice chat...

[worn iron]

Xbox party chats back in the day were legendary. Some of the best memories. Unfortunately, yeah, Halo Infinite and other modern titles severely limit your ability to communicate out of abundance of safety.

[quartz shell]

Party chats in Halo 3 were full of 9 year olds who had things to say about other people's mothers

[young glen]

While multiplayer with randomers has certainly become quieter than the OG Xbox and early 360 days, ranked modes alongside crossplay PvE games tend to still have decent activity. Crossplay is important as PC players tend to be more vocal, in my experience.

[smoky forge]

I thought it was clear Lightning was joking about removing VC. But I would not be surprised if it did get the axe down the line. "Look no one is using this feature, plus discord / other chat methods exist" when really the features got functionally reduced which led to players abandoning them.

[quartz shell]

Although MCC does have lobbies and party chats and it's still quite rare to hear someone talking through them, and it's even rarer to see them using the text chat

[smoky forge]

There were kids shouting obscenities, sure. It was annoying and I just muted them. Was it worth dealing with whiny twerps to have the chance at communicating with the actual people playing? I think so. Rose tinted glasses and all that.

[jade iron]

trying to unlock suit parts for reach and i want to look at what comes next, can i not look at the other pages of a series without unlocking them first

[hard holly]

Hey has any other silver team helmets been released as a weekly reward? I just got riz but um.. not my thing

LOOKS like a no so that’s not awful

[left snow]

It wasn't great in Halo 5.

Lot's of racist / misogynist comments.

Sometimes it felt like I was reporting players almost weekly.

[thorn sierra]

Halo 3 ODST is awesome and i love it, but I have a problem, the game crashes when i close it or finish a mission

[dreamy moss]

Can anyone tell me where I can get the ultimate firefight sandtrap mod?

[white birch]

Heaven help you if you wanted to call targets to your team

[empty rapids]

bro stop giving me noobs

fourth game in a row, please stop

fith game in a row (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[left snow]

I would love it if people talked more.

You'd think it would be the perfect job for AI - monitoring people's speech and weeding out the bad eggs.

Or if everyone had a "rating" and you could choose what type of players could join your chat.

[white birch]

Didn't that used to be a thing.

I'm convinced the extent that gaming has become main stream and the fear of litigation is part of why we're here now

[white birch]

Play Firefight

[plucky patrol]

dude what's with the amount of leavers in the illusion playlist?

every match churns through like 8+ replacements before it finishes

[empty rapids]

like i just went 32 & 4, it's not fun

[empty rapids]

maybe when they expand it, it's kinda boring rn

[plucky patrol]

and on the other side of the spectrum i'm doing the opposite, agreed it's absolutely not fun

[craggy wadi]

I lost the skill I used to have, wish games where boring for me

[plucky patrol]

like what is this matchmaking even

[craggy wadi]

a cannon fodder show

[plucky patrol]

i'm a historical multi-season diamond and i'm getting matched against people that make my performance look like this is my first day playing halo in my life

[craggy wadi]

45 halo 3

[empty rapids]

it isn't fun

i want to play against people who are either better or as good as me 🤷‍♂️

[craggy wadi]

welcome to the big leagues

[empty rapids]

i'm like, high plat low diamond. I just wish i played against more plat players or somthn

carrying noobs or stomping noobs isn't a fun experience for either side lol

[craggy wadi]

to fix that you could team each other up in a custom game and practice the game mechanics

just a suggestion

[empty rapids]

they're randos

[craggy wadi]

I meant @empty rapids @plucky patrol team up

reminds me of 30-40 in halo 3

[empty rapids]

i just wish the matchmaking was more fair

instead it's more frustrating lol

[craggy wadi]

the problem with this is if they do try to adjust matchmaking to be more fair

they will mess something else up

[empty rapids]

i mean, it can't be worse than sticking 3 noobs with a high plat against 4 golds can it lol

[craggy wadi]

can't please everybody

[empty rapids]

supermanning matches should be less common lol

that's my opinion

[craggy wadi]

your entitled to your opinion

[plucky patrol]

lmao land grab match lost 1-11

[craggy wadi]

I am telling you guys you need to team up with each other

see if you vibe together

[plucky patrol]

at this point i think i'm just gonna switch to firefight and do some pve tbh

i'm getting tired of getting mercilessly and repeatedly curbstomped

[craggy wadi]

what weapons where available to you on the maps?

[plucky patrol]

i typically try to pick up BRs or bandits, but i've been getting murdered the moment i spawn tonight

[craggy wadi]

spawn camped?

[plucky patrol]

one sec got into match

[craggy wadi]

apparent the damage of bandit is high but has slower rate of fire compared to the BR

[empty rapids]

bandit is great

[craggy wadi]

what I would do is go into a custom game with a buddy and find out how many head shots and body shots it takes to kill an enemy

that is me

[empty rapids]

aim towards the upper torso with the br, the kickback will automatically hit the head after they're deshielded for a headshot

that works for most guns, makes it easier because headshots are useless unless it's a sniper or they're deshielded

[craggy wadi]

so you are saying 2

[empty rapids]

3 bursts i think?

maybe 4, i don't remember lol

[craggy wadi]

halo 3 BR was 3

[empty rapids]

i think it's 4 in infinite

could be wrong though

[craggy wadi]

sounds like fun 2 headshots melee

[empty rapids]

i like the commando and bandit though

commando is absolutely disgusting at mid range, The ttk can be stupid fast if you can actually hit anyone

br just feels boring and meh to use. It's solid but i'd rather use anything else except for the ar lol

[craggy wadi]

I like the idea of being more consistent with 2 shot melee

[empty rapids]

play with the mangler then

it's really fun, it's also super punishing though

sure you have a 1 shot melee kill

[craggy wadi]

still out beat people with the assault rifle melee

[empty rapids]

but leading your shots is hard, especially when the average ttk between two players is under 2s iirc

mangler is a 1 shot + melee instant kill

[craggy wadi]

what is funny is a draw

[empty rapids]

it's a really fun gun to sneak around with

[plucky patrol]

tfw lose a firefight match

[craggy wadi]

have you stuck someone with the grapple shot

[plucky patrol]

yeah it's probably me at this point, i'd better head off lmfao

[craggy wadi]

know your limits

honestly the grapple shot is 50/50

[plucky patrol]

just out of curiosity, is the 'cultivate peace' armor coating in the new legendary bundle compatible with mk iv?

[empty rapids]

grapple is good, just dont use it w/o melee or use it as mobility

[craggy wadi]

pickup weapons with it

[empty rapids]

thats fun

[craggy wadi]

I think melee canceling is still a thing

especially in campaign

@plucky patrol yes

[empty rapids]

bruh, never seen aimbotting in infinite before. It's actually really annoying lol

[craggy wadi]

report it

and person

[empty rapids]

it's a ftp game. If they get banned they'll just make a new account

[plucky patrol]

if you have it do you mind posting a screenshot of it with mk iv's default setup? wanna see what it looks like

[empty rapids]

people who do that get their rocks off on killing people when they themselves are straight gutter watter

[craggy wadi]

just know the answer

[empty rapids]

surprised to see it still lol. Went over a thousand games w/o one

[plucky patrol]

ah, thanks anyways

[craggy wadi]

aimbots are against the EULA

are you positive?

[empty rapids]

ye lol

bro was cranking 160s with a shock rifle and just head locking

had 20 kills within the first 6 minutes of the game lmao

[craggy wadi]

sounds like bad taste of aim assist on keyboard

[empty rapids]

just sat still lol

[plucky patrol]

nah aimbotting in infinite is definitely a thing, it's just rare is all

it's a f2p title available for pc, there's always going to be hackers

[craggy wadi]

aim assist on gamepad is where it is at

[empty rapids]

really doubt that's aim assist lol

[craggy wadi]

honestly, I will admit bridging for host sucks

yes, I know how it was done

[plucky patrol]

most of the time cheaters will try to be subtle about it but every now and then you'll see some guy who just doesn't care and is just super undeniably blatant

a while back i had a string of qp matches where one guy somehow kept getting into my lobbies and was just sketchy as all hell, so i loaded up theatre from his pov and like .... looollll.

dude was just autolocking on every enemy in his field of view whether or not they were actually visible or behind walls on the other side of the map

like, that right there was my answer to why nobody in 4 straight matches could ever win a facetrade against this guy

[craggy wadi]

there is a French saying for that, Salève

[empty rapids]

you can easily

just don't push them lol. They're not going to actually play the game

[craggy wadi]

there is a difference between blatently cheating rather then using exploits

[plucky patrol]

problem in that case was that guy kept pushing us, which was trivially easy for him since his literal wallhacks let him know where we were at all times

[empty rapids]

you can still clap someone with wallhacks

my mcc days, to be fair you need a squad to work with lol

[craggy wadi]

can you still super jump?

circle boost?

[empty rapids]

super jump w repulsor?

besides the radar exists lol

[craggy wadi]

they fixed those issues with a dedicated host

[empty rapids]

repulsor jump is intended

[plucky patrol]

sure, but i'd hardly say "easily" lol. hard to get the jump on him and he'll aimbot you the moment you're unobstructed so you'll usually need numbers unless you can trade with a perfect

[empty rapids]

you need people that'll work with you. But you can do it, and the salt tastes so good

[plucky patrol]

rip soloqueuers

[craggy wadi]

I used to be good at going under the map

[plucky patrol]

i am definitely not spelling that right

[queen moss]

The flood ain't that tuff, I could will my way to make the grave mind burn itself

[craggy wadi]

was it fun

[queen moss]

What

[craggy wadi]

the flood?

[queen moss]

I'd win💪

[craggy wadi]

boring then

[plucky patrol]

i googled that and all i got was a mountain

[craggy wadi]

my grandpa used it as a mititary term

the point is their are good and bad actors every where

[plucky patrol]

for sure

[craggy wadi]

Halo 2 anniversary enemy ai in campaign on legendary: mission 'High Charity' on Legendary. I was having fun dodging their melee attacks

[craggy wadi]

what is funny, when you think one flood is dead and comes back to life behind you

[crystal iron]

can someone give me 1 reason why anyone would use a pc to play halo

or anything at all that is available on console ( if you have one, ofc)

[craggy wadi]

latency, refresh rate

[spice basalt]

i use pc to play halo infinite but i get what you mean

i would usually play on console

[craggy wadi]

pc's are better equipped to handle 60 fps and the load

I don't care about the consoles that can handle 60 fps

it used to be 30

or less

I purchased one of the new box's actually got a soft ban for playing the game legitimately

sold it off break even

[rugged quartz]

Infinite definitely has an issue with playing with team mates it feels like. A lot of the times playing with a friend who's competent results in having horrible team mates. and playing with friends who are less skilled, still makes it hard for those team mates.

[velvet dirge]

I've seen some datamined helmets and visors and my wallet instantly started crying again

[last dust]

mouse and keyvboard is verifiably better for fps games

friend told me about a test that went on where they pit top tier console cod players against mid tier pc cod players, and the pc cod players destroyed them

[frosty anchor]

Did they ever follow up on what happened to Anders at the end of Halo Wars 2? Is it a book that I might have missed?

[hot ether]

Maybe we'll find out in halo wars 3

[frosty anchor]

If they do one

[last dust]

in terms of general games, its really all down to what you want. do you just wanna boot up the game and play? might wanna get it on console. do you care about messing with the settings to fully customize your gameplay experience? get it on pc.

[glad kelp]

A man can wish

[last dust]

i prefer playing games on pc because i can mod them, tweak graphics settings to my liking, and i dont need to pay extra to play online

plus pc has such a massive library of games new and old, its essentially limitless. theres games on pc that still dont have modern console ports

[glad kelp]

Does anyone know when the new husky raid forge maps are being added?

[plucky patrol]

pc gamers who neither have nor want xboxes?

[civic sundial]

Halo being on PC is honestly really beneficial to the series. Makes it much easier for people to play it

[magic loom]

MCC Mods are lit

[jagged crescent]

what will be the ultimate reward this week? or is it unknown

[young glen]

It's unknown.

Vannak's helmet is next week https://wpassets.halowaypoint.com/wp-content/2024/01/SilverTeam_Vannak.jpg.

[finite river]

a coating that looks like jeromes

green with red accents

its called arcadian bog and requires a killing spree in pvp

[last dust]

exactly. there's no downsides. more people get to experience the series

except 5 cause Microsoft hates 5

[magic loom]

I would like to see a PC Port of halo 5 at some point honestly

[finite river]

https://x.com/halo/status/1754959455169527931?s=46 the spartan on the right is using arcadian bog the coating thats free this week

@jagged crescent

[low musk]

To ask possibly a dumb question, is there a game mode that allows a person to get the 7500 points from the custom games mode relatively effectively?

[last dust]

same. i want EVERY Halo game on PC

not even halo wars 2 is on pc, despite 1 being on pc

[finite river]

halo wars 2 is on pc

just only available on microsoft store

[last dust]

oh. then yeah then halo 5 is all we need

[magic loom]

There is Halo 5 Forge on PC but lacks campaign and Warzone Modes and really MP in general which is bizare

[last dust]

yeah and i dont understand why its only forge

[finite river]

it has customs aswell

[last dust]

just gimme the campaign dangnabbit

its gonna be so annoying playing that game with my boyfriend cause i have to organize time to use my roommates xbox

like my roommate is fine with me using the xbox, but its still his so obviously i have to make plans to actually play it for extended periods

[finite river]

i dont think it would take much to port the campaign over but the game does rely on 60fps for physics so goin any higher would break the game

[last dust]

im fine with it being capped at 60

i just want it ported over so i can have every halo game on my platform of choice

[frosty condor]

https://tenor.com/view/arbiter-were-it-so-easy-halo-difficult-gif-16171194

[last dust]

i love arby so much

[frosty condor]

I too love Arby’s

[magic loom]

Arby was the only thing that had me hyped for Halo 5. Seeing him kill the warden with his sword I lost my mind

[last dust]

"so who do you wanna play in halo 3 co-op?"
to be honest? im thinkin Arby

[finite river]

obviously would take some retooling but if the forge and customs can be ported im sure the campaign can

[last dust]

i didnt know he did that i havent started 5 yet and dont know much about it ;_;

[frosty condor]

A lot of resourcing would need to be done and I don’t think that’s anywhere on 343’s to do list anytime soon

[magic loom]

Apologies thought you may have played it.

[last dust]

i never had an xbox. my first experience with halo was renting halo 2 for my sisters xbox as a kid, and i didnt play through 1-4 for the first time until i did split screen with an old roommate on his xbox. then i got the mcc on pc

im going in mostly blind for 5 and infinite

[frosty condor]

Are you caught up in the story then leading into 5?

[last dust]

yes. ive played through everything on mcc

[frosty condor]

Nice

Have you seen the trailers and commercials for 5?

Experience what we went through

[last dust]

i have not. i heard they were insanely misleading tho

[frosty condor]

:/

Unfortunately, but they were still good imo

[last dust]

what even happened with 5? why was the marketing so off base from what the actual game was?

[frosty condor]

No idea

Watch the trailers and play the game to formulate your own opinion 😂

[last dust]

will do

i remember 3's marketing was AMAZING

that trailer with the diorama of the battle scene. chills.

[frosty condor]

Which is why it’s the best Halo 😤

Don’t @ me

[last dust]

id say ODST is the best

[frosty condor]

It’s up there but not as good

[last dust]

ODST is a very character driven, grounded story about nomral people in a messed up situation, and i love those stories

[low musk]

Halo 3 had a pretty good overarching story that connected each of the games. While there was lore in the books that were still important, it was always never a requirement to enjoy the games

[jagged crescent]

Wish I could put the campaign shaders on mk v (b) armour

[finite river]

every game has a best thing about it depending what it is but overall yes id say 3

[last dust]

3 is pretty low on my list. i like it, but it and 2 dont hit as hard for me as ODST, CE or even 4.

[frosty condor]

I will admit the story fell short in 3 as far as character progression

2 had the best story

[last dust]

i know 4 is alot more linear in its level design but i actually appreciated what it was going for

[low musk]

I think 3 was the best because of the time it came out. Back then, the time playing the game in customs were among the most fun since nothing was at stake, and the community made playing said custom games to be fun and interesting at all times

[finite river]

3 was my first

[last dust]

3's story was just part 2 of 2's story, though. the only thing i could say that 2 handled better was Truth, since he was odddly wacky in 3

i consider 2 and 3 one story, since.. they are.

and its harder for me to replay 2 and 3 cause id have the need to play them back to back

[frosty condor]

3 had forge, theater, The Pit, 4 player coop, The Pit, insane competitive scene, closed out the trilogy, and The Pit

[low musk]

and Avalanche

[last dust]

3 truly is great. but ODST's campaign really hit a specific niche for me, so itll always be my fave

ive already said my rankings but 2 and 3 are above my lowest, which is reach.

[low musk]

ODST and 3 were both grand games. ODST introduced Firefight, and 3 had what was mentioned above

[last dust]

ODST also did something different with the series. it focused on normal soldiers, not the spartans

we got to see the war from the marines side.

[low musk]

ODST kinda reintroduced some elements from CE which is the whole thing involving tangible health that couldn't be regenerated. I think that added a challenge that wasn't quite present in 3 unless 3 used the Black Eye skull

[last dust]

i honestly miss the tangible health. gave me more leeway with encounters. like sure an elite or hunter could take out my shield, but id be able to afford taking more hits to kill them quickly

the health bar underneath your shield really does add alot in terms of strategy

and ODST and Reach bringing that back made me happy

[frosty condor]

Mhm

[civic sundial]

I do like being able to see what my health is, even in the games without health packs. It's one detail on the HUD in Halo 5 that made me real happy

[last dust]

people often forget how a a UI or HUD can affect enjoyability of a game

[civic sundial]

Indeed

Like, Halo 2's HUD is my least favourite because of the position of the shield bar being so close to the radar

I recognise that I have a bias towards that bar being in the top center since Halo 3 was my first Halo

[last dust]

i prefer it being in the top center too

[civic sundial]

But playing Halo 2 for the first time back in 2014 and getting used to it being in such an odd spot was a time

[last dust]

im also fond of CE's shield bar position

[civic sundial]

Aye, that one was easier for me to adjust to because it was at least close to where I was used to it being

[last dust]

yeah, top right was a good spot for it. but 3 nailed it with top center

[civic sundial]

Indeed

And every new HUD since has used it as a basis

[last dust]

cant fix what aint broken

[civic sundial]

Indeed

This reminds me, I should make a mockup for the HUD in my fan project

[last dust]

you should. what kind of project is it? game? animation?

[civic sundial]

Recreating a single level from Reach in Unreal. Mainly for myself since I want to teach myself stuff. Not intended for any sort of release

[last dust]

oooo thats exciting tho. what level?

[civic sundial]

Winter Contingency

Since it'll allow me to do both on foot and vehicle combat

[last dust]

awesome. thats a good level

[civic sundial]

Aye. I am gonna be making some changes, but I'm getting to a point where I can finally work on the gameplay finally

[last dust]

i hope its a very educational experience and that the recreation turns out well:)

[civic sundial]

Thanks

It's been fun working out the textures and how they work

Whether that be ones originating from Reach or ones from Halo 4 or 5 for certain objects I am using

[orchid burrow]

anyone have a invite link to the Halo Clan Community ?

[frosty condor]

https://discord.com/channels/471722331820130324/1076334026090094602

[worn iron]

3 was also the best because it had some amazing marketing around it. You couldn't go to the grocery store without seeing Mtn Dew bottles w/ Halo 3 marketing on them, and huge cut-outs in any store

Merchandise and marketing were peak then

[finite prawn]

3 is overated asf and garbage

[limber dove]

That backend fix has done nothing, until Smurf/Alt accounts get wiped out. Ranked is plagued.

[finite river]

lies

[finite prawn]

only thing that it did better than H2 was the physics

its boring asf the H2 story is way better

and its multiplayer is mid

i can help you

[last dust]

i mean 3 is just part 2 of halo 2's story. its kinda hard for me to separate them because of that, but i do like 3 more in terms of its campaign cause the level design stuck out to me more. but its still near the bottom of my list

[smoky forge]

H3 was originally supposed to be the second half of Halo 2, but plenty changed between H2 releasing and H3's final product

H2's actual levels suffer from "Gondola syndrome" where gondolas and elevators are overused to stretch out levels, couple that with... less than fair Legendary settings and a bunch of spawns missing from Heroic (entire waves of enemies don't spawn, like Cario station boarders)

[civic sundial]

There's also some portions of levels where you can tell they didn't have enough time to properly test if encounters were fair, especially in the later levels like Gravemind

Granted some of that is due to how tanky Brutes were but still

[knotty ermine]

been working on a map but man.. it really annoys me how 343 has scrubbed off the idea of letting people talk to eachother in ffa

i'm dying here trying to script something but there is no node to set a player into a ffa player either. once you set someone in a team, they stay that way

[smoky forge]

have you tried messing with Set Player FFA Allegiance?

IIRC that's how infection works

[knotty ermine]

it only has the teams. there's no ffa option

[empty rapids]

please game stop with the noobs in my matches

its just not fun

[past tinsel]

LOL anyone else frustrated with firefight 1 emblems as well

they just seem to die on purpose

[knotty ermine]

its really weird. it legit feels like some people I play with has never touched a game before or know what an objective is. like people don't know what they do and they look at them and sit with it.

[smoky forge]

The best way to avoid bad teammates when matchmaking is to party up with people. Then of course you risk of matching against well oiled slaying machines in a party.. but such is life

[empty rapids]

or, the matchmaking could be less lopsided at times

that would be nice

[past tinsel]

yeah it's funny and frustrating at the same time personally

it's like they dont know what they just downloaded

[rocky cipher]

I really wish BTB weapon spawns werent just BRs and Commandos

its really nice just getting absolutely plastered by wraiths and banshees and the game just keeps spawning Manglers and other worthless trash

sick weapon sandbox

[civic sundial]

Disruptors and Shock Rifles can be used to EMP them

Feels like nobody knows that

[rocky cipher]

I literally did not come across a single Shock or Disruptor on the map I played

the only thing that I could find was a Hydra that spawned at base, but never even got close to using it because it would spawn me 7 continents away

[smoky forge]

Yep. Sure would. I wish I had free time to get good as well, but such is life.
Part of the issue is that Matchmaking requires people of similar skill in a similar area at the same time, looking for the same playlist.

You have to make compromises on SOMETHING, whether it is match quality (how good the connection is, how balanced the matches are, how similarly skilled all players are) or match time (how long it takes to make a match of a given quality)

I don't agree with the current compromises that the Matchmaking makes, by trying to make teams with approximately average skills (so 3 level 10s + level 50 can match with 4 level 20s as a crude example)

Trying to make everyone on a team approximately the same skill level would lead to fewer matches with newer players on teams with skilled players.
It would also lead to unbalanced teams where sometimes your team would be overall higher skilled... and sometimes you would not be.

[rocky cipher]

new maps would be cool if I wasnt rubberbanding into other dimensions

[jovial needle]

do Spartan bots take up any of the 32 Campaign AI limit in Forge?

ive heard they do not

[smoky forge]

no

[jovial needle]

nice

they should bring the prowler back from H3 the banished could def use a transport they have none

and for the love of god put a search function in Forge

[smoky forge]

The cut Banished Skiff was pretty close to the Prowler. There's a megablocks set of it, and wreckage from one of them is on the map somewhere in Infinite's campaign

[jovial needle]

anything would be nice they literally have no ground transport

that can hold more than 1 troop

[civic sundial]

Near Riven Gate's west entrance is where one can be found

[jovial needle]

ya the skiff looks just like a Banished Prowler for sure

[smoky forge]

I enjoyed Infinite's campaign but the lack of new vehicles and big vehicle battles was pretty disappointing. The Banished definitely needed more ground vehicles. I think by numbers Halo CE has more enemy wraiths than Infinite does

[jovial needle]

ya and that just meant that you dominated in most Vehicles

because there wastn alot other than Skewer snipers to counter you

I think going open world was their biggest mistake, Halos was always meant to be a linear game and you can still have big open sections in between

Metro Exodus Formula may have worked well

[smoky forge]

A set of big openish levels would have been nice. I wish it was more like the Pelican Down checkpoint in Infinite, where you have to shut down the 3 AA guns before getting access to the rest of the map again.

[jovial needle]

ya and they lack of Biomes didnt help at all

like everywhere just looks the same, Really wanna know whos design decision that was

a handful of missions in Halo 3 take you from War ravanged Earth to a Desert on the ark, to Grasslands, To snow, To Forerunner buildings To flood infested cities

[smoky forge]

I had fun driving around in the open world, seeing the wreckage of long fought battles, freeing the FOBs, saving marines, shutting down minibosses, and crushing the banished facilities.
But it didn't really give me much of a reason to want to play it again.
There weren't really any NPCs to meaningfully save, no real side quests.

[jovial needle]

That all happens in like 4 missions

[smoky forge]

No big final battle where your actions and decisions in the open world changes how the battle goes / who comes to help you

[jovial needle]

eventually it just starts feeling like a chore

where Linear games kind of push you along the path

[smoky forge]

I think they were really ambitious with the open world but it just didn't really pay off

[jovial needle]

Every Studio who tries to go open world thinks that im sure

[smoky forge]

I actually enjoyed the story for what it was, but it could have been so much more

[jovial needle]

I didnt like the time skip but I guess I understand why they did it

Also dont like the fact that this is yet another 343 Halo game without the ODSTs even tho theyre on the infinite

and no AI spartans was lame but thats a story decision so

Def one of the coolest parts of Halo 4 was the first chance to really fight with Spartans Minus the invincible Noble team

[grand sand]

why can't I queue in ranked other than open crossplay

[smoky forge]

My dream Infinite campaign would have taken many pages from the Halo CE companion novel The Flood, go around the ring rescuing marines, sabotaging Banished facilities, stealing their weapons and vehicles, and fortifying your base.
Have named NPCs that can be rescued (or not), have an enemy base that sends out parties to hunt you down, have a mission to salvage scrap from Infinity's wreckage, and have a final battle that incorporates all your decisions and affects who shows up to help you and how

[ruby knoll]

we barely see much of earth lets be real

[grand sand]

I'm getting kind of fatigued from infinite

sweating every game nonstop is very tiring

[agile lodge]

Made the open world feel so lifeless

[jovial needle]

ya after like 10 mins you seen all the game has to offer

[agile lodge]

It’s like they literally took the halo level from CE and stretched it out to a whole campaign.

[jovial needle]

fr and I didnt even like that lvl that much lol

[agile lodge]

Ngl, it’s a nostalgic mission but it’s not my personal favorite

[jovial needle]

They are 100% just copying Bungies Formula again trying to milk the Nostalgic Train

which isnt really a bad thing but they could have atleast idk tried harder

[agile lodge]

I remember when they said that you can go to the part of the ring you looked up at

[ruby knoll]

more distinct biomes would've been nice but it's false to say it was totally and completely uniform

[ruby knoll]

the bungie formula?

[agile lodge]

Yeah, another thing that makes the open world so lifeless is the fact that the dynamic lighting makes the game look awful

[grand sand]

like my problem is specifically with sbmm is so tight it is insane

[jovial needle]

Infinite Campaign feels like CE

[agile lodge]

The lighting in the previous Halo games gave off a distinct visual style

[jovial needle]

or like they tried to make it their own CE, your ships shot down youre stranded on the ring you rescue the Marines

[agile lodge]

All you do is take over FOBs, destroy banished outposts, rescue prisoners, kill off high value targets rinse and repeat

[jovial needle]

youre the last Spartan... Again

[grand sand]

tbf games already feel predetermined because trueskill 2 iirc doesn't take into account individual performance but only team metrics

[agile lodge]

There’s really no set pieces that change up the game, the boss fights are also pretty lame

[jovial needle]

They had all this lore and pretty much just nuked everything to remake Halo CE

[ruby knoll]

the boss fights are leagues ahead of the ones before

[agile lodge]

They’re not fun

[jovial needle]

Boss fights never really been Halos strong suit

but I will admit Infinites are a lil better

[agile lodge]

They’re bullet spongy and they ruin the halo sandbox imo, it’s the reason halo 2’s sucked

[jovial needle]

Could have had roaming Scarabs

[ruby knoll]

ugh, there it is

[agile lodge]

Halo just isn’t suited for Boss fight because the enemies are already like pieces to a chess board

[jovial needle]

or the Liche things

[ruby knoll]

le scarab iconique

[jovial needle]

Kind of Agree

[agile lodge]

The scarab fights are fun I’ll give them that

[jovial needle]

I mean its some of the coolest parts from 2 3 and ODSt

[ruby knoll]

2 sure, 3 it felt lame and overused

[agile lodge]

I thought I was the only one that destroys the scarab in ODST

[jovial needle]

and Reach just seeing them is cool, Halo 4 the Liche was fun to blow up and H5 had that mega scarab thing

[ruby knoll]

i don't even remember odst's scarab fights

[ruby lake]

i want to see a spartan lift a scarab with their hands

[jovial needle]

how does it feel overused in 3 lmao theyre so different from the H2 one

[ruby lake]

then throw it into the air before cutting it in half with an energy sword

[agile lodge]

They were going for more open ended environments, to change up the sandbox a bit, I personally liked them even if they are prevalent throughout the campaign

[ruby knoll]

you fight the exact same thing like 5 times

[jovial needle]

H3 Scarab was literally the best Scarab we ever got and the most fun vehicle to board and blow up

[agile lodge]

The big open environments in 3 felt really cool, although it’s not what bungie originally planned for

[jovial needle]

ya but its a Vehicle thats like saying the Wraith is over used

[agile lodge]

There was supposed to be to be a lot more going on but engine limitations held them back

[ruby knoll]

omg hop on slow moving platform melee the glowy thing hop off

[agile lodge]

It’s badass bro

[ruby knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/soyjak-spinning-spinning-soyjak-soyjak-jazz-hands-excited-spinning-wojak-gif-25231392