halo-discussion

[drifting canopy]

That sounds like personal bias

[shy vessel]

how can numbers be personal bias💀

[serene furnace]

Trust me it's not

In the first days of release, Halo 5 sold as fast as Halo 3 did
That's not bias, that's a fact

Like I said

[drifting canopy]

But is that accounting for growth in the video game population

There are more people today that play video games than when Halo 3 came out

[serene furnace]

It's accounting the already small number of people who bought an Xbox One compared to the 360 and with the PS4 destroying it in comparison

Microsoft doesn't realize the importance of a console exclusive basically because they don't do that anymore
But just picture 2015, Game Pass doesn't exist yet, the Xbox One is a failure, and the PS4 got Bloodborne
And even with all that, Bloodborne sold 2 million copies while Halo 5 sold 5 million

[drifting canopy]

I still don’t think Halo 5 was good. Most people I talk to regret having spent money on Halo 5.

[serene furnace]

Anyone can think whatever they want

[drifting canopy]

It’s like buying something out of hype but then realized it’s not what was advertised

[serene furnace]

The facts will still be there

[shy vessel]

thats fine to have those opinions

[low musk]

Infection kinda sucks in this game. Uninfected should not be able to get Camo or Overshield powerups (Last survivor is fine since thats part of the game)

[rotund grail]

I have found out why the game felt boring to me earlier. There is like no ambient noise and the maps feel very empty. After throwing on some music that pretty much resolved the issue

[crystal iron]

Honestly Given how the much the gaming industry has changed, I don't think An actual good Game is going to ever release.

The gaming industry today is purely just a business product. The game developers don't have the same freedom of creativity they used to have anymore.

Most every game today is developed with How quick can we make an ROI on it and how much and for how long can we generate revenue and hold player retention

[rotund grail]

bro has never heard of indie games

[serene furnace]

Bro didn't hear of Baldur's Gate 3

[serene furnace]

You do know the gaming industry wasn't just a business product now don't you?
It was a business product in 2007, it was in the 90s, it was in the 80s, and it always was

[crystal iron]

I'm aware but they had more room for creativity back than.

Today it's highly competitive with maintaining your attention span for longevity.

The gaming industry within the last 10 years has become much more focused on just turning a profit over quality

[onyx latch]

Halo 3 was literally a codifier for many modern video game marketing techniques.

Including spending insanely more money on advertising the game than what was previously the norm and using advertisements at every level.

[serene furnace]

Modernizing is not an option

Doing the same thing that worked in the past is not going to work again forever

[crystal iron]

I am also aware of that, I'm just saying That games are not going to get less broken and feel less souless as we progress. Honestly im surprised when a game releases with a good story.

I always think about how Apex Legends basically replaced The whole Titanfall series.

If done right Titanfall 3, would have been such a good game, but honestly I don't actually want respawn to make a Titan fall 3 now because I just feel like it's going to be an empty shell of the story and the gameplay... And probably just some Marketing tool for Apex legends

[rotund grail]

the entire gaming industry has always been about turning a profit

[serene furnace]

I am aware of that, and I agree
Broken game releases or without content have become more common nowadays

[low musk]

True, though the technology back then relied on the company to actually push sales, rather than the capability to monetize their individual product

[crystal iron]

I think we have now entered the era where games are less social and engaging. And more of just carbon copies of what tend works now.

Hell after fortnite came out we all saw how quick other FPS games jumped on that model.

[serene furnace]

The bad news is that we only have 2 options: adapt or leave
We have been complaining for years about the live service models, the microtransactions, the buggy launches and the lack of content
And our camplaints haven't made any of those things any less common

[rotund grail]

I'd argue that you're on the right track but missing the point. It's not that games have never been about money money money, its just that now a days executives are less and less patient

i cant tell you how many great games we would be getting if the dev cycles were extended just by a year

[serene furnace]

Trends have that problem

Halo was a model for FPS games before Fortnite was
Ever since Halo introduced the 2 weapon at a time + melee and grenades system almost every single FPS that released after that has used that same system

[crystal iron]

Like I don't even get bothered anymore when games come out unpolished or busted...

Obviously I prefer not to accept rushed games, but I also understand now that is most likely what we will be getting.

If anything if games were released as Beta's and slowly built up, at least it will feel like a more honest release, but than you can't justify selling the game at full price. Which at the moment game prices are having some controversy...

I have been seeing the level of predatory stuff in pricing go up.

I saw some video of I think it's EA trying to push the idea of charging per hour played

My concern though is for the younger generation of gamers, as kids have a quicker and larger amounts of access to games, they are more susceptible to predatory business practices and these gaming executives know that younger audiences may have trouble understanding quality games, where the older generation does have a measure to go off. Of when it comes to quality items.

Honestly I don't know how much work Epic games really has to do at this point, them and.the Roblox people have a strong hold on the gaming market

[haughty lagoon]

Is the Aim Game challenge broken? Are Bandit Rifles NOT Tactical Rifles?

[ruby knoll]

lol, and i must also add, lmao

[ruby knoll]

no

it's just easier to be aware for most people now

games have always been buggy, broken, piles of cut corners and compromise

[left snow]

And don't just adapt. You may as well embrace it.

It's not changing.

If a dinosaur like me can get on with it... anyone can.

[serene furnace]

I see Halo 2 as a broken product because I don't wear nostalgia goggles
But I don't see it nearly as incomplete or as buggy as modern Call of Duty games

[delicate jungle]

Hello I’m new here it’s awesome to be part of the halo community

[ruby knoll]

halo 2 and it's advertising budget 2x of it's development budget says hi

[serene furnace]

But it did pay off

[ruby knoll]

oh for sure

[serene furnace]

14 million copies for an exclusive is a big feat

[ruby knoll]

the unsung heroes of the original trilogy is the advertising team

[serene furnace]

The real problem is that they haven't bothered advertising their other exclusives as much anymore while Sony does

[crystal iron]

Games today are more designed for kids on Adderall and not Mountain dew lol

[delicate jungle]

Seriously

[serene furnace]

There was a really cool time when Ninja Gaiden was an Xbox exclusive

Now we don't have anything like that while PS got Ghosts of Tsushima

[ruby knoll]

i do feel like i didn't see much infinite advertising

then again that's a very anecdotal thing and I've kinda subconsciously ignored advertising for ages so maybe i just missed it

[serene furnace]

No, they didn't

[crystal iron]

Dude I would love an open world dragon riding game where you can go and torch army's and battle other riders

[serene furnace]

Halo 5 appeared in movies, TV shows, spots, everywhere
Halo 5 was advertised much more than Infinite was

[crystal iron]

Of they didn't resonate with younger gamers , at least in my perspective my kid and her friends call Halo the old people game l, they play COD, Fortnite and Roblox mostly so I mean Halo really is just becoming a mastalgia antique possibly

[crystal iron]

Problem was the advertisement and the end product didn't line up well story wise

I have extreme doubts Halo will ever be at that Halo 3 Halo reach Hype arc ever again... Halo Infinite really doesn't have that Social aspect feel anymore. None of matches do the ransoms talk. There is no post or pre game lobby, no conversation is really being had.

At least for me the social aspect felt like the spirit of Halo.

But again for me I was raised on lan parties and post and pre game lobbies where teams got switch up so you ended up trying to put teabag your best friend

Anyone here remember their last midnight release

[craggy urchin]

I'm going to talk about something completely different but uh I started playing on the mcc combat evolved so far it's been fun I'm not that far through though

[crystal iron]

Not bad, haven't played mcc is ages, how's it holding up

[craggy urchin]

The controls are weird but that's probably cause I was introduced to the series through infinite which is bad story wise but has good mechanics overall I liked the open world

[low musk]

Just finished the base challenges for the week to reach the Capstone. Turns out you have to get 3 Wins. Not my favorite challenge by far

[craggy urchin]

Well not bad I'd say just alright

[crystal iron]

Dang now I really feel old lol. I played Halo combat evolved only in high school on the computer labs we had lol

[craggy urchin]

Anyway I'm probably going to beat it then go through 2 and 3

[low musk]

Halo CE was the first game I got on my Xbox one christmas, which also had a disk that showed the trailer and game footage for Halo 2. Made me hella excited at the time

[tulip tusk]

anyone else on infinite rn my UI is bugging out a lot

like the team menu, the esc menu every menu is sometimes just lines and boxes and empty, if i keep trying sometimes the real ui gets through

[craggy urchin]

I feel like infinites multiplayer would be so much fun if match making was fair but anyway who else likes sidekick,battle rifle and bulldog alot

[crystal iron]

Someone explained to me that everything is fed direct from server side even the customization stuff.

So if there is any lag whatsoever it's going to take a bit to load even images

[craggy urchin]

I honestly think fiesta is my favorite game mode

It's pretty fun

Random weapons and equipment just makes for a unique experience and for me I just get random bs and then a random bulldog, energy sword pair with the grappling hook or something like that

Also halo has a rather unique way of vehicle controls most use acceleration but it basically functions the same as Master Chief control wise

[ruby knoll]

yeah I like that halo vehicle controls are very forgiving

Like I like full on racing games too but that style of control and such would not mesh that well with an FPS

[craggy urchin]

Infinite probably has the best use of vehicles change my mind

[misty vale]

I agree. Vehicles have an actual skill ceiling

[craggy urchin]

Have a lot more actually being useful and used

[versed dragon]

halo inf. campaign was good

[craggy urchin]

It was more just alright gets repetitive in scenery but overall is fine kinda engaging some parts of it I like just could have been in a better story but I like the pelican driver

[versed dragon]

yeah

[left snow]

I enjoyed it a lot.

Needed one more biome to mix things up, a scarab battle, and an epic warthog run.

[ruby knoll]

honestly my favorite is the razorback

not joking btw, i love the pure utility nature of it

[shy vessel]

why does the grav hammer kill from so far

[polar prairie]

the scenary honestly never bothered me

I guess it would have been cool to have certain broken parts of the game have different biomes though

maybe one snowy or one really hot, since it would make sense since the ring was fractured

[white birch]

And don't usually dominate the map with good operators like they do in Battlefield

[crystal iron]

The map would be better if it was Alps on a portion that wasn't a broken ring. But yea Scarab battles would be epic especially with the grapple hook.

The Open world campaign starts to feel empty after like a few hours once you completed everything.

Maybe if they added like weekly and daily HVT targets that would be a nice change of pace.

But honestly knowing there is no more expansion to the story probably limits what they can do with it

I'm so ready for Firefight though, hopefully they add a gruntpocalypse more in there.

I wonder if it will have score attack

[left snow]

Getting more annoyed with snowflake quitters than I should be.

Just because the opposition get the rocket launcher first - or someone snipes you from across the map - is no reason to quit.

It does not mean you are going to get steaked. Or even that the game is going to be sweaty. Seriously. FFS.

[white birch]

Wait, people quit that early?
In what playlist? 4v4 Im assuming.

[left snow]

Yep. Particularly the H3 Throwback list.

[white birch]

Oh well that explains it.

Its the nostalgia
If they cant play exactly as they remember it back in 2008 or whatever, they bail.

[left snow]

I kind of imagine them running to their keyboards to complain about how sweaty it is and how SBMM sucks. 🙂

[white birch]

Not even running, they're probably playing on PC. They close the game down and open twitter on another screen (they have six active computer screens)

[livid fable]

I like to imagine the people who don't quit are the ones causing the other people on their team to quit

this way I can be insulting to people I disagree with and condescending to those who can't link people's behaviors to common pressures.

[left snow]

Maybe.

If the game was a few minutes in and the other team were playing in a toxic fashion.

But a minute or so in - that lends itself some other assumptions.

And yes. They are just that. Assumptions. But quitters don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. 😄

[dusk thunder]

I just see it as childish behavior. “I’m not winning so I quit! If something isn’t easy then I’m not doing it.” No sense of teamwork or perseverance. Just throw a fit and cry because surely it’s someone else’s fault. Surely!

Like the people who quit right at the end of a match that they’re losing… you just spent all that time and effort and now your hissy fit will cost you EVERYTHING and you’ll come out of it pissed AND empty handed. Just finish the match with your best effort and gain something

[twin crag]

It's OK, it happens sometimes, stress and frustration can get the best of us

[karmic delta]

I have a feeling 343 might be using AI to create some of these armour coatings because 99% of them are disgusting and I cannot imagine any half-decent human thinking these colours deserve a price. The coatings we have right now demonstrate no signs of visual arts experience. No colour theory knowledge, nothing. They seem like they come from a random generator. The types of coatings in this game are like the visual equivalent to the autogenerated names of planets in No Man's Sky.. man I can't wait to spend $30 on the colour red again, but this time, with some gold on my nethers! 🥂

Monetizing colours and absurd armour permutations is definitely Halo's lowest point. It's like the Google pixel of androids, trying to be like an iPhone because it's trying to fit in with the "cool" kids, who are actually secretly lame.

[twin crag]

What

[karmic delta]

It'd be really cool to see everyone boycott this game into oblivion to force the game executives into letting these poor developers have some breathing room to make a good game instead of a good cash cow. It's just so incredibly sad to see what Halo is now and how little influence the community has on the games now. I remember how involved Bungie used to be with the community and those games always made more moves in the right direction than wrong with each iteration. There was an obvious desire to create a fun, quality, and engaging game. Especially for community building back when lobbies were a thing. So sad that we don't even get that anymore 😦 it's like they don't want us to make friends

[twin crag]

Boycott halo to make sure the executives know that the game doesn't make money and then kill it forever yay

[karmic delta]

@twin crag right we should just keep opening our wallets instead and hope they'll make better decisions for our quality of enjoyment despite it potentially making them less money

[twin crag]

Yep, if it makes them less money anyway then it's their fault and they'll probably new things

[karmic delta]

Dawg games used to be about us players, now it's about playing us. 💸💸💸

[twin crag]

It was never about players

[karmic delta]

Incorrect

[twin crag]

It was always about making as much money as possible

Earlier it was map packs when they realised cosmetics and mtx made more money they switched to it

[karmic delta]

Then why didn't season passes exist then? Why not monetize armour? Why would they allow us to unlock so much from completing achievements, earning in-game currency, etc... the industry has shifted from creating quality titles to creating the cheapest possible online fomo/casino environments for kids to steal daddy's credit cards to fund everything

Sure they knew they needed to make money, but back then it depended on making a reliable franchise that would keep players wanting to come back and play more. Now it's about marketing every aspect of the game as much as possible with all of these fomo events, cosmetics, "premium" this's and that's.. it's nauseating

Map packs were fine and well-earned DLC. The fact that we could get a map pack for less than a single helmet in Halo Infinite is really messed up

[smoky wave]

Map packs weren't ok lol

[karmic delta]

Map packs allowed access to whole new pvp experiences on new environments and made the game feel more expanded. Cosmetics that you don't even see unless you're dead, or in 3ps are so cheap

[smoky wave]

It seperated the player base even more

[twin crag]

Because they weren't invented (not sure) or thought to be feasible with the direction the game was going?

[karmic delta]

But by comparison, FAR more worth it than armour permutations out the whazoo

[smoky wave]

No lol

Cosmetics does not seperate the playerbase if you don't own one of those packs

[karmic delta]

Really? You'd rather spend $13 on a helmet than $10 on 3 new maps?

[twin crag]

Yes

[smoky wave]

I prefer free maps so yes

[karmic delta]

That's nasty man, I'm sorry

[twin crag]

Because I get the maps for free ans I don't have to buy armor if I don't want to

If someone wants to buy the armor then it's their problem

[smoky wave]

I don't see an armor doing the same of seperating the playerbase

And we get free maps so yeah

Now, if we talk about the price itself of cosmetics that's another story

[karmic delta]

I don't know why current Gen gamers are so whipped and defensive for MTX's becoming the backbone of every game rn.. it's literally a slap in the face to everyone except the rich fat cats who don't care about us who just benefit off these nasty business models

[twin crag]

Idk why boomers are dead set on dividing the players instead of just minding their own business

[smoky wave]

I never said that the cosmetics, specially the prices, are good
But saying that map packs are good compared to it when we have free maps and? c'mon

[left snow]

FTP and microtransactions are now a fact of life.

The kids of today have grown up on that model. They are more than comfortable with it.

Companies aren't going back.

[twin crag]

That's the best part, I get to play the game for free while others who have a lot of spare income can spend if they choose to

[karmic delta]

U realize I'm not saying "bring back map packs" but rather comparing the bang for your buck vs today's prices for what the content is yeah?

[smoky wave]

Is still a bad comparison

[twin crag]

You are essentially comparing them

[karmic delta]

How?

Yes... I am...

[smoky wave]

Already told you twice what does the map packs

[karmic delta]

But you can still match with players right?

You still get matches, you just don't get those maps is all

[smoky wave]

And that's any better than we have free maps now?

[karmic delta]

It doesn't isolate and confine you into a small bubble

No it's not better. It's cool to get free maps now, but what I'm saying is that look at the type of content and it's price back then vs what we have today which is overpriced singular items

[smoky wave]

It does? Literally you have to buy those maps to play on those and get matched with other people who have this maps
Seperating the playerbase, there is a reason why it doesn't exist anymore and switched to other model

The price of cosmetics is another can of worms that at this point I do not care because people keep buying them, so that's going to still continue

[karmic delta]

A handful of maps vs a large catalogue of already built-in maps+variants+forge maps in MM that are already more often placed in rotation

I never noticed any stressors on my ability to find matches despite not having the map packs back on reach

[karmic delta]

Idk, we just grew up with better games I guess.. it's a shame kids these days have no idea what they've missed out on. 2005-2010 was peak 👑

Luckily MCC has the custom game browser now since the pop has inevitably dropped for MM, but still it's nice to play more graphically modern games. I just wish infinite could have done better instead of going such a terrible direction

[twin crag]

Things always seem better in hindsight

Nostalgia is always viewed with rose tinted glasses

Maybe u didn't know or care enough back then
People cried then, people cry now

[karmic delta]

That campaign got swept deep under the rug too 😂 I just replayed it recently and I still can't really say much about what even happened... Chief gets butt kicked, Chief find new enemies, Chief kills new enemies, Chief has not-cortana, Chief saves anxious pilot, Atriox not dead? Time travel? Dope..

[karmic delta]

Oh boy they certainly did. But I certainly remember feeling a lot more pleasure from playing those titles because of their better networking (forget black screens for a moment, I'm mainly referring to Infinites desync nightmare which hopefully gets fixed once they replace the netcode), and a plethora of other things that made those games more enjoyable. The progression system, no glowing enemies, service tags to ID teammates so your hud wasn't so crowded, etc..

Oh and the gravity hammer couldn't hit you from 5000miles away it used to be a melee weapon. Idk why it's got the range of a Halo CE shotgun on steroids on infinite... Speaking of shotguns I won't even get started on the baby bulldog 😂

[twin crag]

Man u'd be perfect for r/Halo

[karmic delta]

But like, shots connected way more consistently, you could talk to the enemy team, there were lobbies, the UI was always present and light-years better formatted, you couldn't lag out of a solo forge session, you could choose your colours for FREE, and campaign was actually in the game instead of relaunching you into a separate page. Oh, and you also had mission replay on launch along with red reticules

[karmic delta]

Yeah I'd bet you'd think that, but they're all super whipped by the modern gaming industry like you too it seems

But none of my above points are wrong though. Those are all facts, not even opinions

[twin crag]

They're all actually like u
Just see the subreddit ones ull most upvoted will agree with u

[smoky wave]

😴

[karmic delta]

Again, I know you understand what I said up there to be fact. If your only response to that is saying "I belong in the subreddit" then I guess there's nothing else to expect from your responses going forward yeah?

Ya know, about the networking, lobbies, community engagement, weapon functionality, hud, free colours, campaign quality, etc...

[smoky wave]

Hey trolli how are you doing today

[karmic delta]

Infinite not being able to provide a network more stable than its predecessors from since 20 years ago to now is actually really sad

[twin crag]

Tired lol,
In office rn, trying to figure out one nasty little bug
How u doing tho

[smoky wave]

Damn
I'm doing well, I'm preparing to go to the gym right now

[karmic delta]

Yeah, if I were desperately trying to defend Halo Infinite as a gem, I wouldn't be able to respond to that either 😉 GG

https://tenor.com/view/j-o-r-g-e-gif-1785865943195498080

[twin crag]

That sounds dope
I wonder if I should join gym
I've been putting it off for quite sometime

[karmic delta]

You should, might help your head

[noble urchin]

flood seasonal cinematic woulda went hard 😞

[slow walrus]

are we thinking of the same halo games 🥴

[craggy urchin]

I disagree

[slow walrus]

the peer to peer networking in the old titles was so infamously terrible that the community came up with the "ghosts of halo" to justify it all
https://www.halopedia.org/Ghosts_of_Halo

[languid prism]

anyone else having some horrible sbmm in the btb heavies playlist? i just had a game where 95% of the team left so it was just 3 of us getting spawn killed for 4 minutes. Feel like there needs to be a mercy setting when your losing 35/88

[craggy urchin]

What needs to happen is allowing people to join mid match so they can have even players

[languid prism]

Joining mid match would make it worse for people, imagine joining a game as you lose and get zero score by being spawn trapped. Mercy settings the way to go

[craggy urchin]

Anyway one of my best moments in infinite was winning against two people on ranked (tryout part) And held up as soon as I was bouta win they disconnected (the first guy left round 1

[languid prism]

I'm talking btb, kinda hard to come back when you literally cannot leave spawn

[craggy urchin]

I can see that

[craggy urchin]

I was just talking about the one with limited lives (the moment one)

Uh attrition

[languid prism]

oh yea that's fair, i've had some good come back moments in other games being down a player

[craggy urchin]

But man I love and hate attrition but by far my favorite game mode is definitely fiesta

I like how you have to work with whatever you get and if you don't get anything good it's still fun

Anyway battle rifle peak. Sidekick is my second favorite weapon only matched by the bulldog

[rocky cipher]

hey 343, if the enemy team is already up 40 kills in BTB, maybe dont give them wraith/scorpion drops

just a thought

[signal ivy]

steal their vehicle drops

turn the tide of battle!

[civic sundial]

Aren't the drops also the same for both teams these days?

[rocky cipher]

that is so much easier said than done

you try getting out of deadlock with a wraith, wasp, and banshees watching your every single move

[rocky cipher]

there needs to be more anti vehicle weaponry spawns in btb, one hydra and the occasional rocket drop isnt going to cut it lol

[karmic delta]

That's fine, but the fact is still that infinite has a poorer network model currently. Once they finally fix that and replace the code then it'll hopefully make the game at least feel better in online combat

[karmic delta]

Amen 👑

[karmic delta]

Imagine if enemy outlines were proximity-based too! So that way snipers, tanks, wasps can't cross-map and spawn kill you into oblivion. It'd be cool if outlines for enemies were tied to the radar radius maybe

I don't like being able to see people from across the entire map, it feels like cheating . But if I turn it off I'll be at a disadvantage since everyone else will have it on by default

[rocky cipher]

I dont think it needs to be proximity based, its only like that because of the coating customization, everyone isnt forced to be either red or blue anymore

I'm just so tired of seeing BTB end in matches of one team spawn camping the other because they cant effectively destroy any of their vehicles

[misty vale]

So you think the hydra is the only answer to vehicles

Stickies, other vehicles, all the shock weapons, grapplehook, repulser, sniper rifle, camo, sentinel beam, ravager...just don't care to learn them?

[fiery mural]

Camo is just an extra 30 seconds to live pretty much

[misty vale]

Lets you either hijack or destroy basically everything, or get away and get one of the many weapons which does

Cindershot

[fiery mural]

Depends on the vehicle were talking about, tanks and wraiths absolutely

[misty vale]

Grav hammer

[fiery mural]

Grav hammer works against warthogs yeah but the pilots of lets say a scorpion won't die immediately, sure it will damage it but won't really deal with them fast

[misty vale]

Scorpion and wraith are 1hk with the grav afaik

I haven't been menaced in btb in a year tho

[fiery mural]

Scorpions and Wraiths can tank through grav hammer hits

[misty vale]

I killed a wraith in 1 hit with the grav in squad battle yesterday

[fiery mural]

Though it is annoying that a wraith can just one shot you through the door if it lands flat on it

[misty vale]

I KNOW that it cannot tank the hammer

[fiery mural]

Idk, I'll experiment with a hammer on a wraith in a custom game and see if you're right or not

I'm just saying through past experience, grav hammer doesn't one shot some vehicles

[misty vale]

regardless, there's ALWAYS disruptor or shock rifle or shock nade and those counter every vehicle as a skill check.

[abstract rapids]

Don’t forget about weak points and weapon disablement on the tank vehicles. When the turret of both is hit with the right amount of damage in the right way you disable them. The weak point of a wraith is the back, same with tank, and if all you have is a rifle, aim for the carapace door and expose the player head. Ghost can be three shot by magnums in some games when hit on the battery. For wasps I’m not so sure as I’m mainly a mcc player. But either way each vehicle has a weak point. Plasma pistols can also render any vehicle innefective if it doesn’t have a machine gun turret. One good shot and your flying troubles are gone

So yea a grav hammer is able to one shot a tank

[tulip tusk]

arent the scorpion threads a weak point too maybe im thinking of mcc

[abstract rapids]

They are same with the carapace door

It all depends on what you have on hand

I personally run cqc so often I just board and plant, but as for cqc it allows for me to utilize the noob combo of shotty sticky shorty ie shotgun plasma grenade plasma pistol for not only infantry but also vehicles, pistol to short, grenade to damage, shotgun to kill

[onyx latch]

Infinite went back to a CE style plasma pistol overcharge so the last bit of advice regarding that isn't valid as far as Infinite is concerned.

[abstract rapids]

I don’t play infinite due to the fact it would bankrupt me

I have little self control

Plus I prefer unlock with in game earns

[karmic delta]

Yeah it's a greedy byproduct but you have to admit it makes it pretty impossible to avoid being spawn killed by tanks and wasps

[rocky cipher]

sentinel beam is trash lmao

[abstract rapids]

It is for players, it’s more useful in campaign against flood

[misty vale]

it kills a wasp in 1 clip

[karmic delta]

It's hard to get enough shots on them because you glow, so the second you even peak out they'll kill ya

Hydra is a good anti vehicle gun

[abstract rapids]

That’s why I charge indoors and approach at full

[karmic delta]

But then there's the inability to reach anti-vehicle weapons because once they start spawn killing you, it's pretty damn hard to get far enough to grab anything useful

[abstract rapids]

Here’s the thing about halo, well, bungie halo, each weapon has an equal, and even spawn items like magnum and assault can be effective

[karmic delta]

Because you glow they'll just shoot you either before you can grab the power weapons, or before you can even fire them off

[abstract rapids]

I don’t prioritize power weapons

[karmic delta]

I do if I'm being spawn killed by a wasp or scorpion

[rocky cipher]

Ok now survive long enough against a wasp to burn through one charge

[karmic delta]

Glowing so bright from all distances of the maps makes this game insufferable. I wish they never monetized colours and ugly armours and just focussed on making a good pvp experience. Instead the mm system is driven by cosmetics instead of quality of life

[rocky cipher]

It's not driven by cosmetics lmao

[shy vessel]

SBMM is insane

[onyx latch]

I am presently laughing at the notion that SMG starts or Halo Reach AR starts were 'effective'.

[karmic delta]

Ofc it is it's the whole reason we glow

[shy vessel]

in the last 2 days i have played against hunter jjx and mint blintz multiple times😭😭

[rocky cipher]

You were bright red in Halo Reach what are you talking about

[karmic delta]

Oh we had outlines in Halo reach? Dang can't believe I missed that

[onyx latch]

Gotta pretend as hard as possible that seeing people on the map was the entire purpose of the player specific lighting system changing in 5 had nothing to do with people complaining the beta lighting was too murky.

[rocky cipher]

Your actual armor color was red, almost the same effect as having an outline

[shy vessel]

i just got back into playing this game i do not feel like getting fried for the entire game by a pro player because i had one nice game previously

still beat hunter tho therefore idc

[karmic delta]

NOT.AT.ALL LMAO where did you think of that?? Show your work 😂

[onyx latch]

Show yours.

[ruby knoll]

bungie halo
🤨

[karmic delta]

Okay. We all glow in Halo infinite. Literally. In Halo reach we do not glow.

[shy vessel]

are you guys talking about the outline distance again

[ruby knoll]

glow
i don't think you know what that word means

[onyx latch]

Gaslight, gatekeep, gamerboss.

[shy vessel]

i feel like nobody that wants outlines gone realizes that if they didnt exist all you need is dark armor and u have an instant advantage

[rocky cipher]

Maybe your eyes need a checkup then, the outline in Infinite and armor color from Reach are just to indicate hey an enemy is there

[ruby knoll]

the mm system is driven by cosmetics
lol
lmao even

[onyx latch]

Honestly, you can even get an advantage going with darker armor now. I get noticeably shot less when I'm wearing more low-key gear in Infinite.

[rocky cipher]

Color customization in Reach only mattered for PvE and Custom Games, even then I don't think it changed in Customs

[karmic delta]

I'm saying is that the entire monetization of colours was a huge mistake and they should have just kept rvb

[onyx latch]

Nah.

[shy vessel]

real, the EOMM is insane

[ruby knoll]

eomm
lol
lmao even

[karmic delta]

Exactly

[onyx latch]

I like having player expression more than hurr-durr red blue. I already dealt with that pointless crap in For Honor and I hated it since CE.

[shy vessel]

i slightly agree however i like having whatever color i want so its whatever

[karmic delta]

Express yourself with your armour then, not 50 shades of $50 grey

[shy vessel]

i prefer my spartan to look how i want it too as opposed to blue or red

[karmic delta]

Then play FFA lmao

[ruby knoll]

you defend the worst implementation of gameplay mtx i've ever heard of. your opinion on mtx is dubious at best

[shy vessel]

nah

i dont have too cuz the way the armor works

So W

[karmic delta]

Wat? U think Halo Infinite MTX's are good??

[ruby knoll]

all the bungo stans fall over themselves to defend bungie map packs when other gameplay mtx that isn't utterly predatory exist

[ruby knoll]

better than playlist locking paid map packs that are on top of paid online mp lol

[karmic delta]

LMAO all mtx are predatory, but the ratio of bang for buck between map packs and cosmetics is insane

[onyx latch]

-Ly in the cosmetic's favor.

[rocky cipher]

^

[onyx latch]

I don't get locked out of content if I choose not to opt into cosmetic sales.

[ruby knoll]

no

[shy vessel]

paying for maps was always an L idk why anyone favors that too cosmetics💀

[onyx latch]

I don't get locked out of playlists if I choose not to opt into cosmetic sales.

[rocky cipher]

With Infinites forge why tf would I pay for map packs nowadays

[onyx latch]

Literally just nostalgia rotting their brain.

[karmic delta]

I'll never be able to understand why people like having themselves glow and have bright colored outlines on them across the maps.. y'all are whipped

[ruby knoll]

you don't know what the word glow means

[rocky cipher]

I wear purely ODST themed cosmetics and people have no issue shooting me lmao

[onyx latch]

Oh, it's not that I like it. It's that I don't piss and moan about something that's achieving the same effect as old RvB force recolors.

[karmic delta]

Ur a troll dude, I know exactly what I'm talking about 😂

[shy vessel]

cuz i like my glove colors🫡

[karmic delta]

LOL

[ruby knoll]

please show me an example of the outlines affecting the local lighting thx

[onyx latch]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-principal-skinner-skinner-children-out-of-touch-gif-4463952

[rocky cipher]

Gonna be waiting a while

[karmic delta]

Oh man I'm so glad 343 posted a skin for 24hrs only at the cost of $20 so I can have a different shade of blue with a little speckles!

[ruby knoll]

when you fail to do so, please remember that halo isn't a stealth shooter and campers deserve to be sniped

[karmic delta]

I'm talking about glowing players dawg

[onyx latch]

I sentence you to death by rushdown hammer

[onyx latch]

Inclement weather isn't in this game silly

[ruby knoll]

if they glow, they'll affect the local lighting

[shy vessel]

if i want to spend 20 on a skin in a free game that is my choice 🫡

[rocky cipher]

I challenge you with Arcane Sentinel Beam

[karmic delta]

Hey be careful, the range on that thing might end up hitting you across the planets circumference

[onyx latch]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-anime-omg-wtf-cant-unsee-gif-5159766

[ruby knoll]

at least it's a choice and not mandatory to keep playing on the playlists i was already paying for

[shy vessel]

exactly

[karmic delta]

It's a bad choice at best. Please, keep defending the greedy business models of executives who don't care about you or whether or not they force devs to push out a good game

[onyx latch]

They never cared about you lmao

[shy vessel]

im not defending them i am also against the mtx

[onyx latch]

Even when 3 was getting spat out like half-chewed organ meat they didn't give a damn

[rocky cipher]

Tell me one other game that allows you to permanently keep battle passes years after they expire

[karmic delta]

And they won't, no matter how much you defend them and drink their koolaid

[ruby knoll]

you probably think bungie cared about you or its devs

see halo 2

[shy vessel]

however, it is infinitely better than spending money on maps

[karmic delta]

Oh so generous of them, gracious even

[rocky cipher]

You didn't answer the question

[onyx latch]

By mtx standards, unironically yes.

[glacial tartan]

To be clear the bar is really really low right now

[misty vale]

Halo, in comparison to other free to pass games, is generous with its dress up

[karmic delta]

Bungie had lobbies, mission replay, forge, theater, map voting/vetoing, in-game earned currency, and more

[misty vale]

that said, free to pass gaming is garbo

[shy vessel]

indubitably

[karmic delta]

I'd there are I don't know who else has them, but even so if that's the only redeemable point u have for Halo infinites nasty business model your stance is weak

[ruby knoll]

bungie crunched its devs and paywalled online mp lol

forge and theater weren't innovative or original

[glacial tartan]

The real question: when will "Press X To Party Up" makes a return to the Halo series

[karmic delta]

Paywalled?? What with the cheap map packs that the minority of players owned??

[karmic delta]

Never unfortunately. This game is not community building oriented

[ruby knoll]

reach's grind was designed to keep people on xblg past the trial period (xblg being extremely hard to ever cancel)

[karmic delta]

I can't believe they got rid of lobbies man

[onyx latch]

Honestly, yeah. That's the one thing I actually agree with regarding those.

[ruby knoll]

xblg

[karmic delta]

So? Don't you need Xbox live to play Halo infinite on console?? 😂

[ruby knoll]

no lol

[onyx latch]

Free games do not require gold/gamepass to play online.

[ruby knoll]

most informed bungo stan

[karmic delta]

WAT dang, I give it credit there then

[shy vessel]

[karmic delta]

But otherwise these cosmetics prices ridiculous and the bundles/fluff they use to justify their content haul with challenge swaps and times xp boosts are cheap af

I've been enjoying PC life, I don't keep up to date with the console homies qol

[karmic delta]

👹

[shy vessel]

my biggest complaint with infinite is how long it takes to finish these passes

[glacial tartan]

I would rather pay for a feature complete game then get a free to play game where "features" are trickle fed to me over the expected years it takes to keep the 6 month contractor model because nobody wants to hire FTEs anymore.

[onyx latch]

... I honestly completed every pass after Season 2 within a month of dropping.

[karmic delta]

Instant gratification. I think the duration is kinda too quick tbh

[shy vessel]

no way i got a warning for that

[karmic delta]

For what?

[onyx latch]

Really, I just want a hybrid 3-4 style unlock system at this point in addition to what we have now. None of that Reach garbage.

[shy vessel]

idk if im not efficient at them or what but i feel like it takes me a long time

[karmic delta]

Amen

[karmic delta]

Just gotta start each day with the xp boosts and mash them challenges on Tuesdays when they refresh

[glacial tartan]

I want a Halo game that makes me want to waste my time, not constantly feel like I'm wasting my time. Doesnt seem they've figured that out yet, another decade of development maybe?

[karmic delta]

You mean where we actually have to perform certain tasks to unlock things to show off how dope we are? Like Hayabusa and recon?

[karmic delta]

?

[onyx latch]

Hayabusa's... Not really a sign of how 'dope' someone is, but sure.

[shy vessel]

the a word

like all curse words are banned i guess

[misty vale]

yes this is a G rated discord

[signal ivy]

#rules-and-guidelines

[onyx latch]

I dress for drip, not prestige, but unlocking via commendations and personal achievements beyond the ultimate reward system would be nice. I dunno. I like ultimates too.

[misty vale]

it is a game about murdering spacemen for sure, but watch that language

[karmic delta]

M rated game with G rated discord....

[rocky cipher]

In pretty horrific ways too lmao

[karmic delta]

Killing child soldiers too

[coarse dagger]

Word filter isn't up for discussion, so we can move on

[karmic delta]

Who scream and beg for life

[shy vessel]

i dont see how that word is offensive but i digress

[rocky cipher]

Eh S-IVs are pretty much all adults

[onyx latch]

You don't kill child soldiers.

[sullen kiln]

For server moderation concerns, please send a direct message to @upbeat plover.

[shy vessel]

its my fault lmaooo

[misty vale]

love you guys burn spacemen to death with a ravager in own zone husky raid mode

[karmic delta]

Oh no I mean the vibe of the grunts 😂

[rocky cipher]

Grunts do some absolutely awful stuff to humans in the books, I do not care about their screams

[karmic delta]

Dawg I wanna find you a highlight reel of 360 lobbies gc

[frosty condor]

They just want the food nipple

[rocky cipher]

They are not allowed

[ruby knoll]

6 month contractor model
please actually know what you're talking about

[karmic delta]

I'd be interested in seeing 343 trying out a no-outline RvB team slayer playlist for a bit to see how that plays tho. Or at least having the option to enable RvB in custom games for people who want it in private matches at least

[rocky cipher]

Alright so put in full black and sit in a corner, got it

Oh wait you said RvB lmao

[karmic delta]

Rvb^

Lol all good hahaha u jumped on that quick

[rocky cipher]

Brain is moving a little too fast this morning

[karmic delta]

My ADHD loves these debates and discussion so much lmao

[ruby knoll]

no no, you'd be painted neon red, which is literally invisible and integral to halo's stealth shooter gameplay

[onyx latch]

I absolutely agree that it should be a customs thing.

But then, I think you should be able to set almost anything and everything in customs.

[karmic delta]

Also enabling service tags only for friendly ID's in MM to declutter my HUD would be nice

[onyx latch]

From forced cores to randomized weapon stats.

[ruby knoll]

halo, famous stealth shooter with pure stealth colors like
unnatural shade of red
obvious blue

[rocky cipher]

Mfs in 7 foot tall power armor trying to be Sam Fisher in some of these matches

[coarse hawk]

Anyone else has the problem in halo 4 mcc where the game goes at 60fps but looking around with the mouse seems laggy af

[shy vessel]

damn i didnt even know that wasnt an option

[karmic delta]

Find some peace @ruby knoll did u not see how I suggested calmly an isolated 4v4 playlist to test it? or just have to enjoy it for those who don't like outlines?

Chill out homie

[karmic delta]

I found that setting a framerate Cap actually helped and also reduced my coil whine to near zero

[ruby knoll]

where did i say i'm against it lol

[karmic delta]

Make sure the cap matches your max refresh rate

[coarse hawk]

I'm playing with v-sync otherwhise I get afwul screen tearing

[ruby knoll]

i'm just saying it'd be perfect for halo's stealth shooter aspect to be painted bright red or blue

[coarse hawk]

both accell and smoothing are off

[karmic delta]

You're being obviously abrasive and sassy my guy wdym?

[karmic delta]

What's your GPU?

[coarse hawk]

rtx 2070

[shy vessel]

hayabusa isnt in infinite yet right?

[karmic delta]

Try tuning off vsync and cap the frames?

[karmic delta]

Nah just literally everything and anything else 😭

[coarse hawk]

I can but I'll still get screen tearing I'm afraid

[ruby knoll]

probably won't be due to licensing issues

[coarse hawk]

My monitor doesn't have g-sync or anything like that

[shy vessel]

pain

[karmic delta]

Hmm.. are you able to enable a fram gen feature or something feature in the Nvidia control panel? I've been amd for a while now so I forget

[shy vessel]

i didnt even think about that

[coarse hawk]

I think that might be available only to the latest 40 or 30 models

[karmic delta]

Oh.. it might that then? What monitor?

[coarse hawk]

Asus vp228

[karmic delta]

What's the hz?

[coarse hawk]

60

[karmic delta]

With a 2070 I'd suggest upping to a 120hz monitor if you can. You don't really need more than that. I have a 144hz and I wouldn't know much difference between that and when I set it to 120

[coarse hawk]

yeah at this point I might as well do that

[karmic delta]

See if u can still grab some cyber sales, they linger

I'd recommend any LG 24" monitor, or whatever you want. But LG is a reliable brand for me since building my PC back in 2018

Unrelated - Man I'd love to have a debate twitch podcast with people about infinite that'd be so much fun

[coarse hawk]

Thanks, sucks that it only happens with halo 4, the other games are fine

and I mean, every single other game I own never gave me that problem

[karmic delta]

Even h2A graphics?

[coarse hawk]

That runs afwully but it has always been like that

[karmic delta]

Even on my PC I'd notice some slowing and jitters with h2A and HCEA graphics but that's just the nature of the ports

[coarse hawk]

especially with stuttering

[karmic delta]

I have a 6750xt and 7700x

[smoky wave]

So true............

[ruby knoll]

@smoky wave stealthiest gameplay known to mankind

[smoky wave]

So stealth gameplay that no one can see me

[craggy urchin]

Maybe a skewer

[karmic delta]

@smoky wave@ruby knoll Ya'll are funny as heck

[candid elm]

Out of curiosity does 343 plan to allow for the halo reach armor coatings for noble team be available for all cores?

[low musk]

Hopefully the speculation surrounding the idea that KotH Firefight happening next week might be true, but that is just wishful thinking.

[candid elm]

Spoilers for my next message

[fiery mural]

Vehicle suggestion: a toned down Mantis

Because why the hell not

[civic sundial]

The plan is for all coatings to be cross core, it's just a bit more work than just flipping a switch to get all coatings cross core

[civic sundial]

I'd argue it doesn't need to be toned down, let it be a powerful mech

[low musk]

True, the coatings are being made crosscore in waves. If we had to wait for every coating to be made for each core, we'd have to wait a year or two

[candid elm]

Oh thank you that’s good news to me I’ve been trying to get a lore accurate version of Emile a239 in the mark Vii

[fiery mural]

Fair, I just want the mantis back in general, was one of the only good things I liked about 5

[low musk]

That and the Gauss Hog xD

[fiery mural]

Gauss hog supremacy

[candid elm]

But the coats system doesn’t really allow for thorough details.

[civic sundial]

Phaeton was fun in Halo 5

[candid elm]

So i have a normal red and black Spartan. Instead of a Emile inspired mark vii

[low musk]

Eh, Phaetons are bit underwhelming for what they were

[fiery mural]

The coating system barely has any consistency, if you look at one of the sections of paint it goes on the shoulder for example but if you look at another it goes on the body suit

Doesn't make any sense 😭

[civic sundial]

You can use Emile's helmet at least, if you have one of the many black and red coatings (Like Scorpion Punch), I'm sure it'll be a bit closer to Emile

[civic sundial]

The Phaeton Helios was broken

[fiery mural]

They need to bring back Scorpion Punch, every game needs to have their poster boy

[civic sundial]

I missed out on getting it

[fiery mural]

Same here

[civic sundial]

Though I am more upset about not getting Mark V Zeta

[low musk]

I'd love to see a Cyclops in the game. Just a Mantis with arms that could probably jumpjet around the battlefield

[fiery mural]

Feel like all of the old event items should be recycled into the rank system, that way people are rewarded for ranking up and don't miss out on event rewards

[civic sundial]

I'd be fine with that

[fiery mural]

Isn't Mark V Zeta in the winter update pass or was that an old event reward?

[low musk]

I get the feeling that they may make an operation that culminates all the old events into a single pass

[candid elm]

That coating is only allowed for mark V not mark VII

[signal ivy]

that would be a big pass

[civic sundial]

That's the Reach Mark V. Mark V Zeta is different

[fiery mural]

They have so many items in ultimate challenges and old events that it feels insulting they don't add it into the career ranks

[celest heron]

lol, teammate in game was saying they would uninstall and ranting cause of bs and cheaters.

[civic sundial]

Scorpion Punch was on Mark VII at launch

[fiery mural]

Ah okay, thanks for elaborating on it, got confused on which helmet you were referring to

[civic sundial]

To be fair, there's a bunxh of Mark V helmets in Infinite

[fiery mural]

Yeah there are lmao

[civic sundial]

I hope they at least give us Mark V Delta at some point though

[fiery mural]

Feel like they need to do a Chimera event sometime

Every other core has gotten their own event besides Hazmat and Mirage iirc

[civic sundial]

That was the season 3 fractures event

[scarlet shuttle]

This is so frustrating. 2 - 2 One Flag, Overtime, I managed to steal the flag and we get a TIE. It gives a point to both team finishing 3 - 3 but if we had failed to steal the flag, we would have lost. How fair is this?

[candid elm]

Im wrong, your right i couldn’t find it for a min

[fiery mural]

I've missed a lot it seems, which sucked cause I'm pretty sure I quit when Scorpion Punch got released for a bit

[civic sundial]

Aye, shame you missed so much, there were some really fun items in a bunch of the events in season 3

Same with season 4 when we got Tenrai III and IV

[fiery mural]

Morrigan helmet was an event item yeah?

[civic sundial]

It was

I thankfully got that helmet and have it on my Mark V [b]

[fiery mural]

I'm boutta throw a fit if they don't bring back that helmet

[civic sundial]

It's too good to not bring back

[fiery mural]

Also it would bring back a reason to grind the career ranks if they add items into the system

cause the whole thing is pointless until hero rank

[civic sundial]

Yeah, I don't care about the emblems enough to properly focus on grinding outside of when events and BPs are happening

[fiery mural]

Seriously

Emblems ain't enough to drive me to grind through careers

[civic sundial]

That being said, I do think Infinite is allot more respectful to the player's time than most other live service games out there with how easy the BPs and events are to grind these days

It took me two weeks to get through the current operation and I was only playing like an hour a day on average

[fiery mural]

Agreed, but still it feels like its missing what older halos had which was earnable cosmetics as you leveled up

[civic sundial]

Agreed and I think bringing back the old event items for that is honestly a pretty good idea

[magic night]

Is it really that big a difference between earning cosmetics through an event versus earning them through a finite progression system?

[fiery mural]

Weekly ultimate challenge items would also work too

[fiery mural]

No but that finite progression system thats filled with actual items would be good to have

Considering all you get are emblems and one single armor kit for going through said system

[magic night]

You're getting more stuff through the events and weekly challenges, though.

[fiery mural]

Some people might not have the time to get those things though

[candid elm]

My armors all have a Emile based style and i love it.

[fiery mural]

Mandatory armor requirement: knife

[magic night]

At this point, if you add up even just the armor alone they've given out through events, it's more armor than there even was in all of Halo 3. And now with the changes to events letting you buy them after they're over, theres' just more stuff all around.

[fiery mural]

The argument I'm trying to make is the items in past events aren't unlockable anymore, so why not put them in the career ranks to reward players who put time into the game?

[magic night]

Ah. I don't think they would change career ranks rewards, but it would be nice if there were other ways to eanr back that old stuff.

[candid elm]

YEA AND SOME CORES DON’T HAVE KNIFES

[fiery mural]

Just find a large enough shoulder piece that can act as a battering ram or brick if it was able to be torn off and thrown 😂

[candid elm]

Ironically that’s what i do

[fiery mural]

It's a nice thought to have though

[fiery mural]

You are an excellent soldier

[candid elm]

My tenrai right shouldpad is the twin dragon piece.

[onyx latch]

Oh, that's easy, you don't even need crosscore for that.

[fiery mural]

Ash

[onyx latch]

(Cause he ded, ded as hell)

[candid elm]

🥲

His spirit lives on tho

[onyx latch]

In edgy teenagers, maybe.

[low musk]

I imagine one day, we will have a helmet or helmet attachment that will get a knife. There will be a parody one day about how an armor has so many knives attached to it. I just know it

[celest heron]

op arms complete. now back to the other one.

[low musk]

Same. I'm like tier 41 of the 50 ranks, though I'm not exactly big into the Flood look. I actually like this week's reward which is that emblem, so I will definitely work towards that. Never thought I'd try to earn an emblem xD

[celest heron]

so great when I get a game where someone on the other team goes 20-2 and we also lose by a lot. top tier game balancing

[pastel spoke]

Why when elites stand they look like there kinda squatting?

[celest heron]

guardian remake has a sword and skewer now?

[rotund grail]

do the spartans ever win in infected

[low musk]

I do hope the S1 HCS coatings get unlocked and soon. The players can clearly use it if you can view them in the customization screen

Unless they are waiting by making them crosscore, in which case, I guess I should just let them cook

[languid vessel]

at what rank do people actually do the objective instead of running around failing to get kills?

[low musk]

Thats always going to be random. Its sad, but an inevitable truth

[rotund grail]

lmao oddball in a nutshell

sitting here with an average of a minute 30 holding the ball each round while my tm8s do nothing to protect me and have no time on the ball

[languid vessel]

it was oddball

[rotund grail]

LMFAO

[languid vessel]

literally same thing

non of my team had over 20 seconds while the enemy team had 40+ and 2 people with over a minute

[rotund grail]

bruh what are you supposed to do against mfs in vehicles

[languid vessel]

get run over

[rotund grail]

is there a gamemode where you can use snipers all the time

i love how the announcer says "your team about to score" instead of "your team is about to score"

[left snow]

I had a game the other day where I picked up the oddball and moved into a safe position in the middle of my three team-mates. Almost immediately they all moved away and left me exposed.

They all headed in completely different directions.

Like, what the Hell?

[left snow]

Shoot them. Preferably with snipers, shock rifles, or skewers. And from bitter experience it's best not to stand directly in front of them when you do it. 😦

[misty vale]

Hydra, sniper rife, rocket launcher, skewer, cindershot, sentinel beam, and sticky nades of either type just kill them.

Shock weapons disable them and if you don't just UNLOAD you can re-freeze the vehicle in question for a long time allowing you to jack it or blow it up.

Grapplehook lets you steal or kill, camo lets you steal or kill, and the repulser allows you to skill kill both tanks.

It's about 15 things you can do.

[civic sundial]

Let them cook, they're working on making all coatings cross core and it takes time for them to do that, they're likely to allow us to equip those after they've got them working on all the cores

[rotund grail]

ok so as a new player, which of these is easiest and most viable

[misty vale]

They are in order of difficulty. The hydra's alternate fire locks in.

[crystal iron]

Hello guys, what is 1:1 zoom sens to hipfire in infinite ?

[misty vale]

it means tha there is a ratio of look sensitivity between zoom and unzoomed aiming

say it is .5 : 1 - your reticle will 'move' half as far across the point of view plane when zoomed than when it is unzoomed.

[celest heron]

three teammates get zero kills.. ughh

[young glen]

Your back must hurt.

[rocky cipher]

I think everyone is a little tired of getting matched with marine bots

[left snow]

Credit to the one guy who went zero kills - but didn't quit like the other ones.

[full warren]

had a panic the game was broken and my pistol was not shooting then realised I was out of ammo lol

[onyx latch]

Most observant Halo player

[full warren]

Never actually ran out of ammo before lol, thousands of games I always accidentally or intentionally pick up ammo, this was just one of those times where I was sitting high and just spamming down lol, really confused me for a sec

[karmic delta]

with desync im sure there were still shots somehow

[full warren]

Well I ran at the guy still dodging like a idiot probabaly made him panic lol

[rugged quartz]

so many...

[onyx latch]

Skibidi armor effect when?

[rugged quartz]

armour core*

[karmic delta]

LOL love that. wish we could just throw our empty guns tbh

[karmic delta]

what if they're killing you every single time you respawn before you can even try and go anywhere? And what if you finally get a power weapon and come out to shoot them, but they see you before you can fire because your body has a thick neon outline that can't be missed? Or since the power weapons don't all always get one-shot kills, what if you can't get enough shots off to kill them, then die for making your position known, and restart their spawnkilling cycle?

[cunning oyster]

Roast me all you want I’m still using the halo 3 AR over the BR.

[rocky cipher]

halo 3 AR is like shooting tic tacs at people but the tic tacs are marshmallows

[misty vale]

That doesn't happen to me, ever. Get better at the game.

[onyx latch]

Based

[karmic delta]

that's cap af

Yeah idk what I was thinking, golly. I should just be better and spawn in with 5x overshields and a x2 damage volatile skewer and not glow. that way i can be a super mega-skilled sweaty onyx top tier MLG esports player like u and be better at the game 😄

[crystal iron]

The joys of fiesta, where RNG either loves you or specifically wants you dead lol

[karmic delta]

i remember spawning in husky with an AR Sidekick and just gave up watching the guy with gravhammer across the map kill me cuz the range on that thang is BUSTED

[crystal iron]

The sniper Hammer seriously Iv been killed by that thing from some odd ranges

[misty vale]

I mean, you're talking yourself into helpless despair.

Just go get one of the many weapons, and shoot down the person.

[karmic delta]

oh yeah that makes sense. I should just be able to reach the only effective power weapons for killing the tank across the map without being detected with my neon body

[viral kayak]

I remember when the hammers lethal range was "So close you can each out and touch them".

[crystal iron]

Of all else fails be toxic and use sticky nades to the face

[uneven bison]

You really can’t kill a vehicle?

[karmic delta]

i remeber when it was a melee weapon

[karmic delta]

its hard to kill the scorpion with an AR/Bandit tbh

like, just a little bit

[uneven bison]

Then, like, get something else

Like everyone else does

[viral kayak]

IDK, I just felt like the Mangler, Ravager and Skewer could have been replaced with better options. I would also like more Forerunner weapons. Maybe something similar to the Lightrifle from Halo 4. Though imagine that the secondary ADS mode can phase through the initial target and hit another behind them.

[karmic delta]

I'd love to grab something else, that's a brilliant idea. Idk why i didnt think of that. Oh wait, it's because the tank can see my neon butt running towards the effective weapon and blow me to smitherines

[uneven bison]

Stun it with a shock rifle

[karmic delta]

oh yeah, i'll just pray to spawn in with one good idea

oh wait, its behind the tank!

[uneven bison]

Weapon spawn

It’s like, not complicated

There’s multiple ways to kill a tank

Even if it’s camping

[karmic delta]

No, essentially it is very simple you're right. The difficult part is the execution of the simple plan

[uneven bison]

If you really can’t find a way to kill a scorpion I don’t know what to tell you.

[karmic delta]

I'm not tryna argue with you, but I feel like you're not considering the whole scenario. It's sometimes very difficult to manage that when I glow across the map and can be seen running towards the effective weapons

[uneven bison]

How do you glow

[karmic delta]

or even trying to sneak up and board the tank

umm.. the bright neon outlines on my player

[uneven bison]

You mean threat sensor?

[karmic delta]

u know there's outlines on enemies in PVP right?

[uneven bison]

Not behind walls

[karmic delta]

that's be fantastic if I had walls between me and the power weapons and the tank

But the moment my elbow shows up between two rocks or trees as I'm making my moves towards the good guns, boom, ded

[uneven bison]

So what your saying is this tank is completely out in the open with a vantage that enables it to see all players and kills everyone every time they spawn in

[karmic delta]

then there's the wasp with that birds eye view

It has the ability to situate itself comfortably from immediate harm and have a solid range of vision on my spawn zone and blast me no matter where I come from

[uneven bison]

What map is this

[main iris]

✨skewer✨

✨disruptor✨

[karmic delta]

Most btb maps. I'm not saying it's completely impossible to kill not, but only after dying so many times that you've already essentially lost the match

[main iris]

✨shock rifle✨

[uneven bison]

Most?

[karmic delta]

read the above thread^^^^^

[uneven bison]

You have this problem on multiple maps

[karmic delta]

okay all of them tbh. some better than others is why i say "most"

Yeah I do because I'm just such a bad player and you're completely right about everything and I'm completely wrong

[main iris]

disruptors and shock rifles spawn at ur spawn points on every map

[uneven bison]

Unrelated, and don’t put words in my mouth

[main iris]

so do hydras sometimes

[misty vale]

Brother I am sorry but yes, you are bad

[uneven bison]

Every map…

That just seems wild

[young glen]

Apollo press the scan button when you spawn, you'll see weapons highlighted that will help you.

[karmic delta]

That's the thing. because of the glowing outlines, the moment I peak out with those guns i die before i can achieve the stun, and even if I do i'm too far away to utilize it to destroy the tank

[main iris]

dont use the scope if the scope glare is that bad

[misty vale]

Do not dare to offer him solutions

[crystal iron]

Hey hey now, No one is taking my title as worse Halo player, I self destroy with nades way to much to be losing my title

[karmic delta]

no its not the glare, its the glowing player outlines

[misty vale]

It's the glare hon

[crystal iron]

You can adjust player outlines

[misty vale]

The outlines aren't egregious

[karmic delta]

i will negativize my K/D to dethrone you and then dethrone myself

[uneven bison]

[karmic delta]

yeah for me, but not for others

[main iris]

mogged

[uneven bison]

Schriebed

[karmic delta]

i appreciate u but the issue is even if i can eget lucky to grab them before some other fool i still stick out like a sore thumb

[uneven bison]

Pabloed even

[crystal iron]

Well looks like I'm not going to be able to get the capstone challenge... It's literally my kryptonite, .. win matches in PVP

[main iris]

skrill issue

[uneven bison]

One in a krillion

[karmic delta]

add me, i'll help you lose more together

[main iris]

wt player?

[karmic delta]

unless we play swat

[misty vale]

Swat is so good

[uneven bison]

Unfortunately not

[karmic delta]

Oh sorry, politically correct tactical slayer*

[main iris]

unfortunately? definitely a spelling mistake

[karmic delta]

my favourite mode of all time

the most balanced

[misty vale]

Bandit swat is the measure of a man

[crystal iron]

I'ma try Team slayer and hoppe SBMM gives me.thre easy matches lol

[karmic delta]

i really wanna see the EVO one make its way into rotation

[uneven bison]

I haven’t played a round of wt in like a year

[karmic delta]

basically the DMR

[misty vale]

That would be sick.

I would also like to play fiesta swat.

[main iris]

recently uninstalled it to free my soul from the snail

[uneven bison]

All I know is leaking classified docs is funny

[uneven bison]

Mortality gained

[crystal iron]

On the plus side o switched out my treadmill for a Stationary bike so I can workout while losing at Halo now... I can't play First person view games while on my treadmill lol like my body tried to walk the same way as my character lol

[karmic delta]

variation of bandit, evo, br, pulse, and side?

@misty vale yo lets run some swat tomorrow night if u free

[crystal iron]

Winna match getting mostly assists .. sw someone 1v1 fighting so I took some pop shots to a ensure my team won lol

[crystal iron]

But not to worry my friend, We may be getting firefight very very soon, I'm speculating on the 5th of December, If season 5 ends at the end of January, and started October 17. Than Dec 5th is directly the spot of the Middle of the season and the last info we got was firefight was coming with the Mid season update. Also 343 does go on vacation in mid December so It makes sense to drop that right before heading out... We shall have endless PVE

[misty vale]

No can do. Husbandly duties abound.

[karmic delta]

Most honorable

[left snow]

Good play.

If you watch any semi-decent team - pretty much every kill is assisted. It's all about team shooting.

[snow wigeon]

I was wondering... Why did we pay a 500 point premium for the operation?

[signal ivy]

if you choose to pay you get an armor coating and the pass never expires

otherwise the pass is free for a limited time

[snow wigeon]

Then it a waste. I usually pay for season and get point back

[signal ivy]

this isn't a season

it's an event

called operations now

[snow wigeon]

I know and I wasted 500 for nothing

[cunning oyster]

What if they remove weapon lockers and just drop the weapons on the ground?

That’d remove people hogging the weapons.

[drifting canopy]

If only older events that weren’t purchasable at the time and have already been vaulted… were available for purchase

[karmic delta]

because money

[ashen atlas]

I got to say 500 points for an armor coating is kind of wack

[karmic delta]

and the coating is wack too

[ashen atlas]

And no points in return

[karmic delta]

yep

[low musk]

It’s just a way for people who come in later down the line to be able to get the rewards. ATM, there is no real benefit to buying the the pass unless you really want that coating

[karmic delta]

do you think the grey armour coating we can't customize that gets constantly advertised to players after every match is worth the money to buy it? Appx $7,33 after taxes CAD

It's like buying adblock to get the coating at this point to stop that popup after every game

[snow wigeon]

I bought 1000 points once long time ago in season 1 and use it every season and now this 500 is gone and not pay back. Bummer

I should have pay attention

[crystal iron]

Just won big team Heavies kept EMPong everyone lol at the end got a banshee and just dive bombed everything lol

[toxic parrot]

Anyone here own the pilot helmet?

[crystal iron]

Which one is that?

[toxic parrot]

Its in the shop atm

[karmic delta]

don't buy it tho, overpriced af

at least I recommend not to in my opinion, you can do what u want

[low musk]

I think the EMP mechanic is a bit too strong in this game, or at least the effect lasts longer than it should

[toxic parrot]

I got a $10 xbox card from Microsoft rewards but thing is I want to know if it's worth it. I mostly want it for the helmet and based on how many attachments it has. If it's like security where it only has two,then I'm not getting it

[low musk]

I like the chest piece from this Operation, but that is about all I cared for

[left snow]

It's only a matter of time...

[karmic delta]

buybuybuy fomofomofomo

[left snow]

Buy buy buy - but only if it makes you happy.

Or don't buy - if being strictly F2P is your thang. Because spending on this makes you unhappy.

The moral of the story is be happy.

Just don't not buy it - even though you could - and then whine about FOMO later. That's the silly bit.

[karmic delta]

yeah, i dont care for the MTX's. any of them. I understand every single purchasable item to me a method of playing myself

it's counter productive

and lines the greedy already-deep pockets of execs

[crystal iron]

I saw they basically the Venator Helmet into the shop... Well it's the Venator Helmet when the attachment is on it

[karmic delta]

ooooo that attachment is worth like, $20

sorry, $2000 i missed a few zeroes, the UI couldnt fit it in before

[rocky cipher]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974089601545273395/1179659784740409395/1240440_20231130004634_1.png?ex=657a96c9&is=656821c9&hm=37963a66553031719bd0de5f125c5c0bcd9380e419931b6109906a184e9f1fe6&

oof imagine no imbed

genuinely what the actual hell am I supposed to do in this match, just bend over and receive it because 343 thinks matching us against an Onyx and Hero stack is cool

[crystal iron]

Had to leave that game, Kept spawning me in front of the enemy or they were behind me alot.

Those matches aren't really fun. It's basically just handing the other team a free killl

[rocky cipher]

only reason I stayed in is the make sure the SBMM gives me NOT them again

[left snow]

Which is one way of thinking about it.

The other is that it also lines the pay-checks of 343 employees. The ones that make the game we are playing.

Some of it goes to execs - but happy execs are more likely to approve of more Halo being made.

[lime robin]

Please move this convo to #1040734945125089280.

[karmic delta]

devs already have wages though. sure they may get more and they deserve it, but it's knid like saying we need to tip the servers to compensate for the stingy payrates they get from their employers

[rare stream]

When is MCC going to bring back that one gamemode with the rocket launchers and you have to drive a mongoose into the zone to get a point

[karmic delta]

that mode was dope

[crystal iron]

Dang the game really set me up to lose had a guy have 1 kill and 28 deaths. I thought I was bad but dang.

[rare stream]

Yeah i had a blast playing it i was disappointed when i discovered it on the last day of it being there

[karmic delta]

the MM system is designed to place as many bad players on your team as possible if you're somewhat decent to balance you out

[crystal iron]

It was a weird game It was pretty even at start but like 9 people quit well someone would quit a. Ew player joined and they insta quit

So does your shield drop faster in ranked

[left snow]

They do have wages. But those wages rely on the execs approving projects and staff numbers.

The more $$$ the game makes the more likely the execs are to approve more content and staff. And maybe even better conditions / wages.

I try to buy something every couple of weeks to support 343. As long as it's something that's cool. But that's just me.

[left snow]

The game isn't setting you up to lose. It's setting up the game to be close between the two teams. Sometimes that means handicapping good players with bad. 😦

But I do agree it's getting a bit out of hand. 343 need to reduce the skill gap (best to worst) in the lobby.

[crystal iron]

Well that's some stuff, I lost connection during. Ranked match

Ooooh I think the servers took a dump, can't even join any game it says it's something with the dedicated server

It's a good thing I don't care about rank, cus that game that crashed dropped me almost down to the lowest Gold 1 lol

It 343 should really figure out. Way to prevent rank loss for players who's game crashes on them or kicks them out.

I hate to be that guy but I left that ranked match, a dude just appears out of thin air like it was a spawn, it was like he was i visible but the map didn't have active camo. Saw my teammate running to get the flag and did just appears already full sprint in front of bim

[crystal iron]

So I pull hella kills and a clutch flag captures and all I get is 12 points for Rank ...man now I see why people hate grinding for this

[left snow]

There is no way for 343 to tell how or why a player left the game. Unfortunately they have to assume the player quit.

[crystal iron]

You would think if there server Took a dump the system would recognize it was a them problem lol

[left snow]

Clutch flag captures are covered by the win.

12 points is good. The maximum you can go up is 15!

Hella kills are good for your MMR. Assuming you improved your KPM at that mode. It will push your MMR a bit higher and that will pull harder on your CSR in the next game.

Ranking is a journey over time. It doesn't (and shouldn't) pivot on a particular game.

[left snow]

If it was server issue then yes - I'm sure they would ignore that. But more than likely that player just pulled their ethernet cord out of the back of their console.

[crystal iron]

Wait that would disconnect me from the game if someone else yanns there ethernet cord

[left snow]

No. That's not what I meant. Sorry.

There are a lot of things that can go wrong between you and the Halo server. Your system/network. Your provider. Any relay networks inbetween.

The only thing 343 see is that you're no longer connected.

[crystal iron]

Ok, yea no I am.noy playing ranked unless I'm with a party, I got put in matches with people who weren't even trying to play the objective, like I felt like being sweaty and I get the team that thinks it's a social playlist.

I thought ranked was where all the sweaty players go and instill get out in there with the dude riding the short bus

Dear God Of I get a hold of the commando in rank it's game.over lol

[shell wing]

what am i doing wrong in this game besides playing M&K

why can't infinite feel good to me? I feel like i can't do anything in this game :/

yet in 3 and reach i can get an unfrig (40 kills)

[ruby knoll]

it's all about practice

[shell wing]

it just doesn't seem to feel right

the way i play reach and 3 doesn't work my shots still don't feel like they land, none of my sniper headshots land as 1-hits

and still having grenades/rockets despawn when i die?

[crystal iron]

Greetings

[shell wing]

and i have a solidly high end PC :/

[crystal iron]

Is infinite broken?

[ruby knoll]

there's a lot of answers to that depending on context

[left snow]

It will feel different. And you won't be familiar with the maps or weapons.

I'd stick to basic weapons and work your way up to the Sniper.

[shell wing]

it just feels off :/

like it should on paper transfer over pretty easily yeah?

[crystal iron]

I don't play infinite, so I don't know how it is now.

Seems ranked is not a fun mode when you play with randoms... I'll just wait till my friends get on.

Cus half the ransoms feel like they got dropped on their heads a few times

[shell wing]

IG the balancing and hit det feels very weird in inf coming from 3 and reach :/

i'm a little shocked a ghost can survive a direct volatile skewer shot

[crystal iron]

Dropped into a 3 game recently, those boys are cracked.

[shell wing]

Yeah they really are lol

[snow quail]

I never played much mp at all, i get conpletely dominated every game

[shell wing]

I'm alright at 3 but i still get completely rolled

Reach is usually a different story and i was like kinda hoping my skill at reach would transfer over to inf nicely :/

[crystal iron]

I only recently saw this but whatever the shotgun brute pistol is called, I've been getting like BMRed with it

[shell wing]

Oh the revolver

[crystal iron]

Or is it BXR?

[shell wing]

wait oh you mean the mauler

[crystal iron]

Yeah

[snow quail]

I do decent in btb or if i can get hands on a ghost
Other than that i get ruined every time

[crystal iron]

Yea F that I just quit that march too.

I'ma stick to playing with specific friends cus I can't play ranked with randoms.

I gave it a shot though so can't say I didn't try. But ra med with randoms feels so frustrating. Cus I'm actually trying to win and there's some dude off looking at the wall or walking right past the flag when we are trying to capture it

Ah ha! It is BXR

[snow quail]

I remember in middle school me and my buds found a way to download the multiplayer for ce free on rhe school desktops tho, we'd spend the entire lunch on it, i did realy good back then... deadly with a sniper

[crystal iron]

Just beat CEs campaign again, underrated for sure

[shell wing]

I remember doing that with Halo 2 LOL

[crystal iron]

Worship the plasma pistol

[shell wing]

though it didn't run well cause all the school PCs used Windows XP

[crystal iron]

Man 343 needs to hurry it up with firefight already, hopefully this coming Tuesday we get it.... Like dang man they want to drag it out or something lol

[snow quail]

As someone who clicks at an alarming pace, the ce plasma pistol is overpowered af for me

[crystal iron]

Oh yeah dude

[shell wing]

I feel like i might just like give up on infinite for the next little while maybe check it out on a much later season or whenever the next halo game drops

[crystal iron]

Also, low key favorite, plasma rifle

[snow quail]

I am a human autoclicker man, i shoot the plasma pistol faster than the rifle

[shell wing]

Oh when the PR had a stun?

[crystal iron]

Yeah

Ah good times

I really wanna get in a full CE Match but can never find them sadly

[shell wing]

what are the most populated parts of MCC?

[crystal iron]

3 and 4

[shell wing]

Halo 2 and 3 and Reach?

[crystal iron]

Reach too

Not much 2 surprisingly

[snow quail]

Like i said i suck at mp so i dont play much
My friends and i were on a yt stream together a while ago, and we did cursed mp together, i ended up winning on oddball, and it was my first oddball game ever

[shell wing]

really 4 does? i thought everyone hated 4?

[snow quail]

Maybe it's the same concept of like, war thunder
You hate it with a burning passion yet for some reason you continue playing it

[crystal iron]

Yeah, pretty much

[shell wing]

I remember when 4 came out

[crystal iron]

I personally Like 4 but, I know it's not the strongest

[onyx latch]

Assuming 'everyone' is the first and frankly worst mistake.

[shell wing]

I got the limited Halo 4 xbox played halo 4 for a week then was back on reach :/

I know there are 4 enjoyers but i didn't think it was well recieved?

[onyx latch]

I played the hell out of both but 4 offered dominion. I liked Dominion more.

[onyx latch]

Critically and commercially it was well received.

[crystal iron]

3 by far has the biggest following, multiplayer wise

[shell wing]

I mean you can pay IGN to say anything

[onyx latch]

Fanbase wise, Halo fans gonna Halo fan. They suck for a reason.

[snow quail]

Halo 3 is forever my favorite

[crystal iron]

Wait, aren't you... one trenchbird?

[snow quail]

If im being honest, CE, 2A, and 3 are all equally my favorite

[shell wing]

I'll always have a spot for Halo 3 and Reach

[crystal iron]

So far, my favorite campaign is 2

[onyx latch]

I think the blind love for 3 has done more to harm its reputation in my eyes than its negative qualities alone ever could, which is sad.

[shell wing]

3 Is good for what it is a 2007 game

[snow quail]

I always felt so unworthy of the title as halo fan tho

5 was the first one i ever beat

[onyx latch]

Interesting choice.

Not bad, just interesting one to finally knuckle down and finish.

[shell wing]

I have a huge Bias towards Reach

[crystal iron]

3 is good, because it's good. Lovely title and the weapon play is iconic

[shell wing]

I personally think it was PEAK i know it's a bit of an outlier opinion

[onyx latch]

Iconic=/=good.

[crystal iron]

Reach was sad

[snow quail]

I only had CE-3 as a kid, but conveniently all 3 discs were corrupted or whatever and only would let me play so far before crashing, always at the exact same part

So when i grew up, my uncle got me an xbox one and it had halo 5, so it was the first one i could actually finish

[shell wing]

Halo Had a different feel to other shooters and that's what i liked has nothing to do about being iconic

[onyx latch]

It's a staple of gaming younger teens and mid teens in the late aughts. Which also means it's a homer for nostalgia. Unfortunately for me.

[snow quail]

I didn't get to finish the others until the summer when i got mcc on steam

[shell wing]

as a campaign? yea but remember he's living in a cave

[crystal iron]

Nah, he dead

Maybe...

[shell wing]

I know i was joking lmao

[snow quail]

It feels heretical having 5 as the first one i finished

[crystal iron]

Don't play with my heart

[onyx latch]

Anyone who gives you crap for it isn't someone worth taking the opinion of.

[snow quail]

Nuh uh, hes just missing his life, in action

[onyx latch]

It's fine.

[crystal iron]

Listen, It cut before he got stabbed so.... MaYbE!?

[snow quail]

What if im the singular person who actually gave me crap for it what do i do

[onyx latch]

Then you listen to too many youtubers.

[shell wing]

I wouldn't say it's heresey trench is right tho

[crystal iron]

Should I go to sleep or play Halo 2s campaign?

[snow quail]

So i wont be hung by my entrails before the council?

[snow quail]

Eep,then plae

[shell wing]

I don't entirely base it on nostalgia there is a bit of a Bias people have

[crystal iron]

Eep? Do you mean eat or sleep

[snow quail]

E e p

[onyx latch]

Nostalgia is inherently a bias.

[shell wing]

but i do think a lot of games including infinite focus too much on the comp scene rather than the game being fun first

[snow quail]

As in, the missile is very tired
They is eepy

[crystal iron]

He speaking the language of the forerunners!

[shell wing]

I mean if you base the whole game on the comp scene you get Overwatch

[crystal iron]

Damn

[onyx latch]

There's an extreme amount of irony in this statement that reminds me of a joke from Courage the Cowardly dog.

[shell wing]

which part is the irony?

[crystal iron]

Are you a philosopher @onyx latch?

[onyx latch]

One of the major criticisms of Halo Reach and 4 were that they 'killed' the competitive scene.

[snow quail]

I change all the pronouns in that to they/them

Not bc its my pronouns, which they are
But bc it makes it so much more grammatically incorrect and therefore funne

[shell wing]

didn't they playtest the entirety of the development on 5 and inf on what their in house comp team?

[crystal iron]

Understandable

[onyx latch]

As a direct response from the criticism following Reach and 4.

[shell wing]

I mean reach and 4 had no comp scene

[onyx latch]

Not really, no. I just type like this.

[shell wing]

halo was never intended to be a comp game ;o the scenes naturally formed

[crystal iron]

Got ya

[onyx latch]

Not many games were intended to be comp games from the start.

[shell wing]

Reach had it's issues and 4 was leaning too far into the COD pill

[onyx latch]

The irony being that most of the teams that allegedly quit Halo due to loadouts... Moved to CoD, and used loadouts.

[crystal iron]

Halo is based of weird glides and weapon tricks with an arcade Luke feel in my book

Like

[shell wing]

I don't remember reach killing the comp scene I just don't remember it having one comp kind of stayed in 3 and 2

I'm alright with a game not having a comp scene

i liked how casual reach was tbh

[onyx latch]

It's a false equivalency that I always found really funny. In a frustrating, 'wow, you guys really missed the point' kind of way.

(They switched to CoD because the money and crowd was better due to the game having more going on in it and capturing more public interest, not because they didn't want to play a game with loadouts, and decided to move to a game with loadouts because of it)

[crystal iron]

Magnum Supremency

COD really is a game that has .are going for it when done good.

In terms sof content COD is ahead, the hacker problem.is pretty bad, though I do love their new Approach of just trolling hackers now

[rare stream]

Do we know when the firefight is being added?

[shell wing]

I know they did it was to pull in a different fanbase too with 4 speed up the gameplay add custom loadouts and a kill/reward system

[onyx latch]

The ttk was actually pretty similar to 3's for the staple guns.

[shell wing]

Is it?

[crystal iron]

If anything when the new Warzone mode drops they need to add a new A to cheat that just gives everyone the location of a hacker.

They already make you invulnerable to them or make you invisible to them and the whole dropping their weapon... They added no parachute opening now

[shell wing]

It seems a lot faster in 4 than 3

[crystal iron]

Hopefully Dec 5 as that's the middle of the season

[onyx latch]

Yes. The overall lethality of the sandbox was raised, but it was more bringing everything that wasn't competitive to a competitive level.

[crystal iron]

Night

[onyx latch]

Which has the side effect of making ttk feel way faster despite really only being the case for the guns that were traditionally bad.

For example, the AR.

[shell wing]

I did find that the new weapons were a little overtuned

[rare stream]

Ok

[shell wing]

The AR was alright in 3 it was really the bloom in reach that caused the AR to feel a little unreliable imo

[onyx latch]

It was completely unreliable in 3.

They somehow made it worse in Reach, which boggles the mind.

[shell wing]

Was it? I guess you mean raw power

Yeah there was no excuse for how it was in reach tbh

It was always kind of a distance closer to follow up with a bash in those 2 games

Though in 3 it was even stranger because why would you take an AR when you can pick up an SMG

[onyx latch]

Raw power and competitiveness against more reliable weapons such as the BR or DMR. With the swap to loadouts a major change had to be enacted, which likely was part of what spurred the boost in effectiveness, but keeping it good became in vogue because people actually like having viable spawn weapons-as evidenced by the ubiquitous BRs in ranked.

[shell wing]

Though after TU the Magnum was extremely viable in Reach

Just obviously not against vehicles

[onyx latch]

The problem was that you would never have a reason to use an AR.

It was 'the gun you ditch because it sucks'.

[shell wing]

The AR kind of took on the role the pistol was supposed to have

[crystal iron]

I always felt like the AR in past halos felt so Out of place . As soon as yous pawned in you just had to get rid of it cus you would be put performed by a ytning else

[shell wing]

Though that's still true today i see most people use the sidekick over the AR and use the AR as a backup weapon

[crystal iron]

The only way I could describe it was It felt like it stopped doing damage once you dropped a person's sheild

[onyx latch]

Which was part of why I always found it funny that people can get so... Obstinate about the AR's modern effectiveness, and why they hate it.

Especially when the ranked weapon was what everyone replaced their ARs with the first second they could; a BR or DMR.

[shell wing]

Which us strange because the AR being a bullet weapon is supposed to do more damage to unshielded targets

Everyone starts on equal footing use basic load out to fight over other weapons. Still abiut the same

Though you were intended to use melee a lot more

[crystal iron]

I always go straight for the commando

[onyx latch]

Considering how weird Halo is regarding trading, I always thought that was an absurd choice.

[shell wing]

Especially in 3 with the bleed through and after Reach's Title Update

Base Reach should have had Bleedthrough from the start imo

[onyx latch]

I hate bleedthrough in Reach.

[shell wing]

I think it's a lot better i hated the body meatballs after bashing eachother

[onyx latch]

I don't think it vibes well with a healthpool that doesn't regenerate.

[crystal iron]

Right now my issue with Infinite is the inconsistent damage, specifically the rocket launches and Gravity hammmers

[shell wing]

I still don't understand why the hammer doesn't have a quick melee still

[grave ether]

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. After a bad sword fail in a ranked match awhile back, I gave up on melee unless it's the only clear option I have

[crystal iron]

Omg this game hates me, The enemy team keeps spawning with rockets and I keep getting the Shock riclfe thing

[shell wing]

I definitely used to feel the same way back in 2011 right after TU but i ended up enjoying it after MCC was on PC

[grave ether]

I miss the sword having a quick hit vs full swing

[shell wing]

Yeah i definitely feel that i use melee quite a bit in Reach and 3

Infs sword doesn't have a quick melee?

[grave ether]

It's the same attack

[shell wing]

Just without the lunge right?

[grave ether]

Honestly, I don't even know at this point because sometimes I lunge sometimes I dont

[shell wing]

The Hammer one is really bad though using the same animation as main fire but without the slam

Someone can double bash you before that goes off lmao

[grave ether]

Just like me finding out that there is enemy collision and I didn't believe it for a long time, but it does exist lol

Just have to go slow enough to notice it and not phase through

[crystal iron]

There is enemy collision until you melee than it's just you phasing through enemy

[grave ether]

Or if your sliding or other seemingly random instances you'll go right through

[viral kayak]

Ugh god already getting regrets trying to beat all the Halo Campaigns on MCC on legendary. Saving Halo 2 for last as only the crazy would play that one first.

[crystal iron]

You should do it on LASO

[zinc flax]

Hello guys

[viral kayak]

Nah, forget that. I’m not that crazy.

Halo 3 is probably the easiest Legendary in MCC.

[crystal iron]

.... Man I have been watching. Unyshek timeline like a hawk,... Just waiting for that Firefight drop date already

Wow I just had a hammer do no damage again

Man this hammer issue is making fiesta not fun, it's either it does no damage or it becomes a sniper rifle.

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/ExeK6X7PST

[bitter umbra]

random question, has anyone heard or seen anything about the void ultra coating coming back?

[karmic delta]

I'm making a compilation video of times the gravity hammer is busted

And yes I need FF asap, I can't stand the PVP with these current Network and balancing issues anymore

[crystal iron]

I had to leave another game cus my melees were just tickling people

[karmic delta]

They made contact??

Bro I wish l. I feel like a mime pretending there's a box around me when I try to melee in this game

[bitter umbra]

Oui

ok so I'm not the only one experiencing the weird network instability at the moment?

[karmic delta]

Nope

@bitter umbra 343 came clean and said they're just going to replace the netcode because they've been trying for 2 years now to patch the game enough to fix it with zero luck

[bitter umbra]

yeah wish they'd hurry, every game I've played has been rough tonight

[karmic delta]

This is what happens when you make a massive project with contractor teams who don't even meet each other

They contacted different teams to build this game, then brought in more people afterwards to finish off some things so on so forth. Which is why the game is so messy and incomplete

[bitter umbra]

its only the best way to develop a game

[crystal iron]

I wonder what they could accomplish with a New Netcode like outside of stability issues will they also be able to easily change the UI stuff and maybe add .kre cross core elements easily.

Im not a.dev or programer so I always like to see these refs be explained overall

[bitter umbra]

they haven't said when this netcode update is going to drop right?

[civic sundial]

No, likely to not set expectations for when it will arrive in case they can't deliver it for that date

And honestly, when it comes to redoing netcode, that's not something you wanna rush

[hallow maple]

Do we know if there's going to be a holiday event this year after the current operation is done?

[coarse dagger]

The 2nd operation starts right after this one

[shy vessel]

what happened to the ranked queue options? like why cant you search solo/duo anymore or your own input? Are they supposed to be greyed out😭

[grand sand]

have they still not fixed the loading issues

like jeez

[twin crag]

population

[ruby knoll]

not what happened

[karmic delta]

🙂

[ruby knoll]

i love how everyone took the bit about the permatemp thing and katamari'd it with random stuff not in the original article

but i suppose i shouldn't be surprised the halo fanbase loves lying

[karmic delta]

Lol this guy

[ruby knoll]

"teams who don't even meet each other"

[karmic delta]

Yeah

[ruby knoll]

not only does 343 have a ton of FTEs
but that's just moronic. what dumpster did you pull that out of

are you confusing 343's partner studios with the contractors?

[karmic delta]

No, MS butchered 343s home team and outsourced so much of their development teams for the game, mainly for the multiplayer

They did this to save money instead of paying more for a big consistent team of 343i employees. Look at all those layoffs from earlier

[ruby knoll]

343 has and had FTEs, as well as being the lions share of developers

[karmic delta]

I gotta go to work now, but I'll let you ramble on. Enjoy

[ruby knoll]

i'm not the guy who thinks they had teams who didn't meet each other lol

then again i'm also not the guy who breathlessly defends the worst form of xpack content ever

anyways people who'd be filtered by hello world talking about development is always hilarious