halo-discussion

[thin elm]

Big difference for other fps too

[tepid latch]

Yeah if you're just a casual gamer i dont think there's any need to worry about backpaddles/buttons, definitely not a necessity. Its all about not taking ur thumb away from the joystick and as a casual moving my thumb to any face button is just second nature

[royal ether]

Good luck now the people have fun now

[tepid latch]

huh?

[royal ether]

Cool my friend

[analog salmon]

back buttons should just be standard

basically only reason you dont need them is stick click. and stick click is not ideal. my two back buttons are by default just replacing stick click in most games though my preference is for them to be crouch/jump

[hollow ore]

getting really tired of halo infinite throwing me into matches right as the team it put me on looses.

1/3rd of my husky raid games have been load in, see the "enemy team wins" screen load out.

[tepid latch]

if back buttons were a default on controllers going forward I do wonder if companies would leave them to be customizable or take the freedom of extra buttons to add more functions to them lol

[analog salmon]

if you have an Elite controller, at least in Halo Infinite you can directly bind actions to them, rather then binding them to an existing button

i think that's the way to go

[tepid latch]

Yeah i totally agree with you!

Xbox lets you rebind controller buttons anyways so even if they were intended for something else you could always just change it

[analog salmon]

games will still have to be designed with no back buttons in mind though. but to me back buttons are just so easy to use i dont see a downside of them being default

[young glen]

In terms of game design, it'd also allow more complexity. It's unfortunate that many of the premium paddled controllers are +200 euro.

[analog salmon]

at this point most third party controllers have them and I suspect Xbox and Playstation will realise they're losing out on a lot of sales

granted they wanna push you to their premium $200 controllers but that doesn't work so easily unless you need wireless

[faint pilot]

That'd be the smart thing to do which is why I suspect the exact opposite will happen.

[analog salmon]

its an easy win for either of them against one another but yah, they seem to think pushing you to the elite / edge is worth it over doing that

that said Xbox did work with 8bitdo on the Ultimate controller for Xbox and it's the closest thing to an official wired controller (trigger rumble is identical to official), which has the rear buttons

[faint pilot]

See what I want them to do is release a usb/battery thing for original xbox controllers so I can play with that instead. I have this pelican that's as old as I am that I haven't been able to use since I was like five.

[analog salmon]

honestly just make the jump to PC and use whatever controller you like

can get adapters for old consoles

[faint pilot]

I did. I'm on PC right now.

[faint pilot]

Lets goooooo!

[analog salmon]

i gotta get a gamecube one

i have a flight stick for gamecube lol

and a rubbish racing wheel for PS2

[faint pilot]

I think I have a memory card for my dads ps2 lying around somewhere...

[analog salmon]

ah 8mb

i have a 360 memory card lol

[faint pilot]

same, been wanting to transfer the data from it to my xbox one

actually I have two

one from the garbage white one we first got at the pawn shop, and the black one we got for the replacement that has no button

[analog salmon]

oh i stopped using mine and got the hard drive for the 360, but i still remember not being able to get DLC for a while lol

[faint pilot]

We were never able to afford internet until I was like 16 so I never cared about dlc.

Think that's the reason I'm so garbage in pvp, I never learned how to fight enemies that actually think.

[hollow bobcat]

You know what infinite really needs? A capped frame rate for the menu. It's crazy that the GPU of mine can get pretty hot just by customizing my Spartan.

[rocky cipher]

crazy how they added a gamemode thats completely dependant on RNG weapon spawns to win lmao

whoever gets cindershot and rockets just gets the win in husky raid

[analog salmon]

a workaround is set an FPS limit in RTSS and then use a keyboard shortcut to enable it

but yah weird how there's a forced 61fps limit in MCC but no option for a limit in Infinite

frankly should be standard to have the option for a menu fps limit in 2023

[serene badger]

I would add Hydra to that. It shines in flag defense. Tag the incoming bodies and let them fly.

[native tinsel]

Yo, Mint Blitz said battle Royale may be coming

Next season though, he said a lot of content was coming as well

[coarse dagger]

Don't believe everything content creators put out in videos

[hollow bobcat]

I find it also crazy that mint can play very well despite his 200+ ping since he's an Australia.

[tepid latch]

Us aussies have learned to live witg high ping and to compensate for it lmao

[tepid latch]

defs dont get ur hopes up bud, there's really no base to those claims

[native tinsel]

My hopes aren’t high, my hopes are abt 50%

[native tinsel]

Factual, but I’ve watched a lot of mint blitz vids, most of the stuff he gets right, also it was bc he saw leaks maybe

[grave ether]

You mean he saw unconfirmed rumors. Which BTW leaks or possible leaks aren't allowed for discussion here.

Believe something once it comes from a reliable source meaning 343.
Anything else is setting yourself and others up for misinformation and disappointment

[native tinsel]

Aye, my bad. Wasn’t trying to start a leak discussion, just mentioning it

[devout kite]

That’s true

[native tinsel]

And yes I knew they were unconfirmed, but ya never know

[grave ether]

Yes, you do know. You know they are unconfirmed. Mentioning it is a discussion. Move on

[native tinsel]

👍

[echo forum]

If i had a time machine i'd go back to early and mid 2000s to experience the glory days of Halo on Xbox Live
Feeling hella FOMO right now

[hushed nest]

so i played Bleach Brave Souls Music BGM 6th Anniversary OST BBS 6th Anni Aizen Soundtrack during halo infinite multiplayer slayer match
and i heard a player saying "ayo are we gonna die!?" i responded "its just a really good music bro. " bro replied back saying "sounds like we got a berserker spartan on the loose"

[stray seal]

Anyone else struggling to find matches in Infinite rn? Just stuck searching forever.

[young glen]

What's the estimated search time?

[crystal iron]

only at certain times but yes

[devout kite]

Nice to see 343 isn’t doing anything against spawn killing

[onyx latch]

Isn't attempting to fix spawn killing against Halo's legacy?

Halo's proud legacy of spawntrapping and spawnkilling hopeless opfor?

[frosty condor]

I’d say yes

[lone rock]

WORT WORT WORT

[lone rock]

I HAVE TAKEN A GREEEEEVIOS WOUND

[celest heron]

all they could do is try to make the skill matching more even. everything else is fair game.

[celest heron]

It was fun times

[lone rock]

Yeah

[devout kite]

Stacking should be not allowed

[grave ether]

4 people shouldn't be allowed to play together?

[devout kite]

They should be they should face other team that’s playing together

If you’re in a party then you’re facing other party that’s fair

[crystal iron]

There is in-game comms and they added in the Ping system so you can communicate with your teammates.

[grave ether]

That's not the same thing

[crystal iron]

Well you have the old fashioned option get out there and try to meet people and form a regular playing team.

[grave ether]

That's not what he was referring to though and I agree with him that 4 stacks shouldn't be put to play against a squad of unknown people.
There is a balancing behind the scenes that raises the MMR of a fireteam which is supposed to help putting a fireteam of 4 against uncoordinated people of a similar skill level but the balancing doesn't always get it right

[crystal iron]

I'd rather face two to four stacks and try to communicate with my team and hope they're going to do the same then have long matchmaking times.

I will admit a four stack does have certain advantages but it's not like you can't beat a four stack with four skilled random players using pings and maybe talking in game.

[limpid pollen]

when is the halo 5-esque action sack returning ?!!!

[smoky wave]

Are they still changing the playlist there? iirc there were like some changes about it to not update it anymore

[eternal lion]

it Monday. Playlist changes Tuesday

[grim citrus]

In the 8 years of playing h5, I don’t think I ever felt like I was in a spawn trap situation

[onyx latch]

I did. Several times. It's actually not uncommon at higher levels of play.

Controlling the enemy's spawns is controlling the match.

Controlling the match is controlling the power weapons.

Controlling the whole shebang is winning.

[smoky wave]

Ooh I see then

[grim citrus]

You could make the argument that they held you to a certain spot for a minute or 2, but because of the importance of power weapons and power ups, you had to break up your set ups to obtain then or else you would lose your position regardless

Like for example, the rig had camo in the middle plat with sniper and scattershot in opposite ends of the map. Most people would force the other team to spawn outside, but will learn the hard way in how bad that can be for you if the players outside got sniper and scatter shot

So rotation was heavily encouraged

It also helps that H5 had larger maps with additional corridors and advanced moment that helped team that were constantly spawning in the same area

[onyx latch]

My guy, it's a historical issue for FPS games in general and the extent between Infinite and 5 is roughly the same, down to the spawntrapping on Husky Raid-which is likely what most people are going to be upset about right now.

So no, I did not mean "permanently, the entire match", I mean "Long enough for it to be a problem".

And so does almost everyone else.

And everyone who isn't is exaggerating or had the bad luck to play against a full smurf stack.

And controlling spawns isn't necessary spawn camping, at that.

It's usually adjascent but not the same. So that's my bad.

[grim citrus]

It’s only a problem if you don’t deal with it properly.

[full warren]

some people just dont even hide they are hacking, plat 4 player gets 17 kills headshots

with the sniper

[onyx latch]

Guess what most people can't do

Regardless of game.

[grim citrus]

🤷‍♂️

[grave ether]

Become the Master Chief

[white birch]

Wish I could.

You think these "upcoming reboot" people would finally quiet if I went up on stage as Chief and said "no"
And then the Halo theme played as I walked off?

[onyx latch]

I don't know why, but I suddenly want to see Steve Downes dip into a profanity-laden rant about the concept.

[white birch]

I mean he DOES do VA work for money.

We could probably hire him.

[fallow crow]

finally got the demon medal

[frosty condor]

[novel jungle]

What game should I start my laso playthrough on?

[frosty condor]

Start with CE and progress your way through the games

[grave ether]

You're the cowboy

You should know about lasos

[hollow bobcat]

I'd yell, "Cortana is dead". He'd cry.

Or "how does it feel knowing your mulitplayer took 2 years to actually get kinda good."

[solemn cypress]

i just realized something

Cortana was microsofts sir /alexa equivalent

now that im a tiny bit into HALO CE

COINCIDENCE I THINK NOT

[hollow bobcat]

Even Halo 5 was better and that only took 3 years.

[smoky wave]

People would most likely going to look weird at you

[hollow bobcat]

I'm not wrong either.

[ruby knoll]

halo fans are incapable of telling the time

[hollow bobcat]

2021 halo infinite MP released. It's been about 2 years since then almost.

[ruby knoll]

i mean almost doesn't mean is
halo ce is almost fun for example
halo 2 almost feels like a game i'd replay
halo 3 almost feels like it wasn't written by committee

etc etc etc

[smoky wave]

15 of november 2021

[ruby knoll]

Nov 15th 2021 Halo Infinite incident

[smoky wave]

So basically not 2 years yet

[hollow bobcat]

"...about 2 years"

[crystal iron]

At least they're sticking with it making it better games can make comebacks

[hollow bobcat]

That's true, but the campaign is a lost cause tbh.

[crystal iron]

Like I've told others I'm still working my way through it finally so I'll see

[hollow bobcat]

I won't spoil, but there's no substance to it.

[crystal iron]

On a different topic I'm excited to find out that the Scout armor is still in the game it just has a new name

I wonder how many other items have been renamed to seem new

[hollow bobcat]

Scout exists. I think it's from the first battle pass

The one that looks like Jun's helmet in Reach.

If not that version, the other variant is in the game, I think.

[crystal iron]

nah not that one the old scout helm that is in my pfp it's called Celox now it seems

[hollow bobcat]

Yeah, I think that helmet is in the game. Check out where it is and it'll detail where to find it.

It's most likely either in one of the battle passes or somewhere else.

[crystal iron]

it's in a 1200 credit bundle some i'm over here like hmm cuz i don't really want the rest of the stuff

god some of these skins and stuff that came out while i was gone look so good

[full warren]

never played anything as boring as husky raid lol, just spam everything down mid and whoever spawn with multiple rockets win

never seen people just stand still and quit the game after 4 mins because its getting nowhere either lol.

[scarlet shuttle]

Why the hell did they add 2 snipers on both side on Catalyst? It was my favorite map now it’s the one I hate the most. I keep getting sniped none stop.

@full warren it is my favorite game mode atm. It’s always super tight and stressful, it forces you to play with your team

[full warren]

recently, i think its fine

[scarlet shuttle]

It plays like a Grifball game

[full warren]

Which is the only thing I dont want to do lol, play with my team is like trying to lead blind frogs into a cooking pot

And yeah too many 3 man 4 man try hard in it

[scarlet shuttle]

🤣 but if you play with friend it becomes fun. But yeah, with randoms, it can suc

[full warren]

shame its the only mode I get games in right now at this time

yep 4 random vs a 4 man pre made...

what a amazing game mode

[hollow bobcat]

It's only boring if you play the larger maps. Otherwise, it's extremely fast paced and I like it.

[full warren]

its fast pace but there is no logic

you just shoot and spam rockets and the spawn killing

there was 2 dudes sitting in the base with swords and just spawn killing

I guess I just do not like the randomness and the single lane

I wish i can go back to team slayer BR only but it timed me out while trying to search for a game

[hollow bobcat]

It's a chaotic mode. That's the intended design.

Be honest, infected was good, but this mode really brought some fun on the table.

[ivory glacier]

I think you need to find a new game. You complain about every mode. I’ve been having a lot of fun with husky raid personally

It can be a little glitchy at times but I don’t really mind too much with how chaotic it is

[full warren]

I love team slayer and quick play so ....

but I just hate chaos

[ivory glacier]

You complain every night about matchmaking. Not that you’re wrong but just saying

[full warren]

I mean I not even been playing halo for a while lol, literally only came back here today

i been playing warhammer 3 total war and will be on starfield when that comes out but still no good fps I found yet

Also I actually not been complaining about match making in team slayer for a bit now they changed the way it works I get many more games where the games are more even and occasionally I actually get games where I am not the best player. Which is good. Before it used to be literally every game, play 20 games I come top of the whole game and still lose sucks. Now it’s better. Lots good players I face in team slayer now.

Normally like 2 good vs 2 good or 3 good v 3 and 1 complete noob on each team

Which generally both quits .

[civic wave]

My dear compatriot, it is heartening to hear of your newfound satisfaction with the adjusted matchmaking dynamics in Team Slayer within the realm of competitive gaming. Indeed, the art of match balance is a delicate one, and it appears that the celestial algorithms have finally aligned in your favor.

[hollow bobcat]

Personally, I think quickplay needs to go. Just give us that match composer ie auto-queue based on what I selected like in MCC or current COD games.

[livid fable]

being honest, infection was ungood. I do like husky raid though.

[hollow bobcat]

In my opinion, Halo 5 had the best version of infected. It was mainly because of the maps and the creepy music that plays while surviving. That needs to return.

Since spooky month is coming up, Halo needs to really prepare for Halloween with scary infected modes and even an official Michael Myers mode.

(Basically, there's one infected that cannot be killed. If you die, you have to spectate. The last survivor automatically gains a sword and has a chance to kill the one infected).

[livid fable]

having to spectate is a pretty good way to get people to quit

[faint pilot]

The main problem in the campaign, at least in my opinion, is that it was meant to be the first of many campaigns added to the game. But once everyone realized how undercooked the game itself is, 343 decided to focus on putting Infinite back in the oven. Imagine Destiny 2 but we still have yet to get to Warmind because almost nothing else works well.

[hollow bobcat]

In my opinion, they should have just stuck with continuing the Halo 5 storyline right after it ended. It would have made a much better campaign.

[onyx latch]

A less and less unpopular opinion by the day.

Too bad it didn't show up until two years ago.

[hollow bobcat]

I would have also kept the Halo 4 and Halo 5 design of the armor. However, the armor itself becomes damaged to the point where he has to go back to the classic look, which explains a lot better compared to how we got it officially.

When the linear missions end, we finally get to explore the open world. I would have also added areas of the ring that encompass more seasonal differences, such as snowy areas in one spot and desert environments in another.

[onyx latch]

Honestly, as much as I'd love a GEN2 set to be identical to old GEN2, I would not be upset if what we got was a sort of 'weathered and busted' GEN2. Obvious patches and plates slapped on.

Keep the original geo nearly as it was, but add on visible repairs and such and point out through most descriptions that part of the swap to full GEN3 for most Spartans was straight up their GEN2 kit being just absolutely ruined by constant counter-created conflict.

Wouldn't be my first choice, but I also wouldn't be mad at it, y'know

[faint pilot]

Considering this is, like, the second time they set up a big bad with plans of dominating the galaxy with the mantle, only to immediately scrap them offscreen, I'm not even surprised...

[onyx latch]

I don't think Didact was really setting up for that so much as he was flipping the board over his wife's failiures.

[faint pilot]

Doubt it. If that were the case, he would have just nuked Earth rather than try to compose everyone into Promethians.

[onyx latch]

Being a Promethean is a fate almost worse than death.

So he likely just wanted to have his cake (An Army) and eat it too (kill all humans).

[faint pilot]

He still already had an army, however small, in the Storm Covenant, plus however many Promethians he had on Requiem to begin with.

the more I type, the more I wonder if I'm just pointing out plot holes and coming up with the wrong inference because of them.

[onyx latch]

I think he thought less of theDidact's Hand as an army and more of a disposable asset.

[white birch]

Its very much the latter, even says so.

[lean prism]

Can we please try to get this in game https://discord.com/channels/471722331820130324/1138539021837029427

[rigid slate]

i need the eod helmet for mark 5 NOW

[low musk]

Its official, I need to buy a new controller. Last couple of days, been playing the game and when I was pressing the RB button to deploy an overshield, but I died from a slow response since lately, I have to press it alot harder in order to get it to function. Its a 4 year old controller though, so it was well overdue at this point

[tepid latch]

pls let this come to the game soon! need real EOD!

i used to rock it on all my spartans

[hollow bobcat]

Why not a mouse and keyboard? 🤓

[low musk]

Admittedly, I suck at mnk. I'm an intermediate player at the best of times

[hollow bobcat]

It took a little bit getting used to. I was a controller user up until 2 years ago. Now, the controller just feels awkward to use for FPS games. Everything else is fine though.

[tepid latch]

as former controller user i can also attest to this. Used to play all my FPS games on controller, but after a while I switched to MnK and yeah its definitely a hard thing to go back to! I still use controller for a lot of third person and platformer games

I think I only wish I kept my Razer Orbweaver as all the controls were compact unlike a regular keyboard

[golden flicker]

Which Halo game in Master Chief Collection has most online?

[hollow bobcat]

When I was playing SWAT on MCC, it was often putting me in Halo Reach lobbies.

But I guess it depends on what modes you play.

[golden flicker]

Playing what mode? SWAT?

Is this smth unique to series?

[hollow bobcat]

SWAT is the original name for team tactical. Honestly, team tactical should be renamed to SWAT because it's the better title.

[golden flicker]

You know I looked how much Master Chief Collection costs on 3rd party services bc Microsoft left Russia

1100 rubles. Discounted Call of Duty Cold War costs 1500

Well, MCC doesn't have cross-region gifting

And also it has saved multiplayer in EVERY game

[glacial tartan]

Depends heavily on the playlist you're asking about. Assuming normal Team Slayer 4v4 I would say close to this H3>Reach>CE>H2>H4>H2A

A lot of them are pretty close to one another. But definitely H3/Reach at the top and H2A/H4 near the bottom.

[golden flicker]

Does each Halo has own unique gamemodes?

[glacial tartan]

Most of them are shared - there are examples that are unique like Firefight which is only in Reach/ODST 🙂

[golden flicker]

ODST also has mp? I thought it's Halo 3 DLC campaign-only thing

[smoky wave]

ODST has firefight mp

But as for mp like the rest nope

[golden flicker]

But man

It's 6 games. And in each multiplayer is saved

all for 1100 rubles

In USD it's 1 dollar

[glacial tartan]

MCC nowadays is undeniably a great purchase 🙂

[golden flicker]

Oh wait, I forgor a number. 12 USD

xd

[smoky wave]

Even if you are like not much into mp, the collection can give you a lot of stuff with single player + mods

[olive brook]

mcc afkers need to have their internet access taken away

i sure love it when half my team is afk feeding the enemy free kills

[golden flicker]

I'm buying that only because that collection decided not to cut multiplayer out. Like Naughty Dog love to do with Uncharted and The Last of Us

Or like everyone since can you give me at least one other remastered collection (Except Homeworld, I got it plus Deserts of Kharak for free in EGS)

Btw if I got hang of Halo gameplay in Infinite because I never touched any Halo, how fun would Halo games in MCC would be? Also, any news on Halo 5 PC Port?

[coarse dagger]

No plans to port Halo 5

[golden flicker]

Well, I was thinking about Series X/S already because backwards compability

I mean, have you seen how does Sonic Unleashed looks like on that MONSTER (in a good way)?

Best Halo in your opinion, guys?

[onyx latch]

Infinite. Narrowly beats 5 due to customization.

[golden flicker]

Ok. Also how hard would it be to adapt to older games if I NEVER touched them and only played Halo Infinite Multiplayer?

Btw are Halo Wars 2 even worth it?

Are there 8v8 or 12v12 modes in MCC games?

[dense flower]

i love halo 5

[stable raptor]

get well soon buddy

[neon vapor]

5 goes hard if you just look at it like a game instead of a halo game

[open umbra]

MCC's BTB are only for 8v8 (that's why Squad Battle is 8v8), and I think there's no 12v12 mode in MCC (first actual 12v12 mode in Halo is the H5 Warzone).

[crystal iron]

Same

Halo 5 had good multiplayer I do miss it would be nice to play Warzone on PC off and on

[crystal iron]

Halo 3. Its as good as it gets. While the campaign was a bit disappointing coming off from halo 2. It's other offerings like multiplayer, custom games, and the BRAND NEW forge level editor. Makes this the definitive halo to date!

There's no better time to pick up a Xbox 360 than NOW

That's why halo 3 is my contender for Game Of The Year 2007

[crystal iron]

Going to have to be Halo Reach I knew about Halo but reach is the one that sold me on the franchise when I finally could afford an Xbox.

I love how I can rank up offline and firefight unlocking equipment and stuff for looks and for what I played of the multiplayer it was all around good fun.

[stray seal]

Anyone finding it difficult to join scar heavies matches? Been trying since yesterday and while sometimes it works most of the time I just get stuck on never ending searches. Only playlist where I can get consistent snipers for the weekly ultimate challenge.

it is even saying wait times may be too long to find a match... (on expanded region search)

[neon vapor]

Maybe where you live, or skill level.

[golden flicker]

Or MCC

[crystal iron]

It seems the only way halo fans can get ahold of bungies 3rd installment, is through Microsofts brand new Xbox 360 system. As no plans have been announced to bring halo 3 to pc, anytime soon. Halo fans are going to have to jump towards Microsofts next gen console, and leave their orginal Xbox in the dust.

[golden flicker]

Okay that looks really weird, MCC does include 3

And I'm not getting dead console

[crystal iron]

This 💯

The only thing MCC lacks is Halo 5.

[crystal iron]

Xbox 360 is the latest console from Microsoft and is the only way to play halo 3 as far as I'm aware.

Don't expect bungie coming put with a pc port of halo 3 anytime soon or at all.

Atleast halo 2 fans can now REJOICE!!
As halo 2 has recently made its way to pc!

Sadly it's a windows Vista exclusive

Any windows xp users might just want to upgrade to the latest windows operating system

I'm not sure if they're a troll or they live in denial its possible both

Microsoft is easily going to win the generation

Sony needs to catch up ASAP!!

Or it's GAME OVER for the Playstation 3

[grim citrus]

Halo 5 overall is better package than the other halos in relation to gameplay.

[signal ivy]

Jules and Lord crossover event

[golden flicker]

I'm pretty sure they're keeping that for Halo 6 and will go like "Hey, we are adding Halo 5 to collection some other stuff and gonna call it Ultimate Collection"

Not denying it since it's pretty realistic they will the hell outta it

[signal ivy]

if 5 ever comes to PC it won't be part of MCC. They've already said this

[crystal iron]

It also really doesn't make much sense given they for both came out on the same platform gen

[signal ivy]

exactly, no point adding it to a collection that's on the same system

[crystal iron]

So yeah probably down the line

[golden flicker]

Or they can do a separate collection to sell every Halo again

[signal ivy]

I seriously doubt that

[golden flicker]

Just seying it can happen, not excluding that

I mean, SOME people have been selling their classics and were getting progressively worse, and then good, and then worst collection looks at SEGA with Sonic re-releases on every platform

Or maybe not, idk how many rereleases they done

[feral depot]

Counterpoint, it’s full of loot boxes and a bad campaign

[onyx latch]

Campaign's underrated and overhated.

[feral depot]

It’s barely even a master chief game

It was false advertising

Launched with little to no content

[onyx latch]

Good, I'm glad it wasn't a Master Chief game.

Launched as a full campaign and full MP minus Forge.

"False Advertising" is the norm for the Halo franchise. It's only false if you cling to it like gospel.

[feral depot]

There were like 4 game modes

At launch

[onyx latch]

Full enough for Guvmint work.

[karmic oriole]

Anything new today? Besides shop.

[frosty condor]

New? Only the best! Such as fun and friends you make along the way

[karmic oriole]

Featured Mode is still husky raid and all that?

[onyx latch]

Halo 3 rat charm weekly unlock.

[devout kite]

How is husky raid allowed in the game since it’s unbalanced

[crystal iron]

The same way super Fiesta is it's called RNG it's just for fun not to be taken super seriously

[scenic hinge]

its a social playlist

[devout kite]

How’s getting spawn kill fun

[crystal iron]

You can get spawn killed in other game modes too it's not just restricted to husky I got spawn killed quite a few times in Squad battle last night I've had moments in 4v4 where people just know how to work the map in the spawns so they can know where I'm going to come up at

[devout kite]

I play for the dub not to have fun

[velvet cosmos]

Feel like that’s more problematic on certain maps, while others don’t seem to have that issue.

[crystal iron]

I can agree with that it was one particular map that I seem to get spawn killed on more and Squad battle

[hollow bobcat]

The strategy of husky is to be a little brazen. Pushing into the enemy spawn typically creates an overwhelming environment for the enemy team.

[crystal iron]

It's just something that happens part of the game the only way to fully eliminate it would be to introduce Gears spawn protection or some kind of overshield for the first 5 Seconds but I'm not sure how that would work in Halos environment

[hollow bobcat]

My biggest gripe with husky are two of the larger maps. They're quite boring.

[grim citrus]

So… halo 3 is bad because of paywalls online?

And what makes it bad? No Chief = bad

[feral depot]

Halo 3 isn’t bad, it sold maps, not lootboxes, and it’s not because it had locke, it’s because there are way more locke missions than chief missions

Difference is, they weren’t micro transactions, and also the maps were really good for halo 3

[zenith holly]

Didn't you have to buy map packs though? otherwise you were restricted to a few maps

[devout kite]

I play to win not play for fun if I want fun I would play gta or some other game

[velvet cosmos]

What’s to say it’s not other play-to-win players who are spawn killing?

[crystal iron]

I would argue that more often is those kinds of players are usually the ones that know the spawns and the map that well

[velvet cosmos]

My point exactly.

If you want to focus on wins, I would say special modes are not where you should be looking, especially if it’s fiesta related.

[crystal iron]

Yeah I would be turning my attention to probably more the 4v4s like Tactical or ranked Arena Etc.
Which have a little more balance to them that said if the enemy team knows what they're doing they can still force spawn you to a degree and know where you're going to be at

I'm over here trying to talk about a video where APG talks about controlling spawns and knowing where people are going to be in the bot wants to remove the message cool

[feral depot]

Yeah, but not only were they later free and came with the halo 3 mythic with halo 3 odst, it also isn’t randomised in lootboxes

[crystal iron]

It's okay bot you don't have to like the man like so many others he's still going to be my inspiration as an objective player

[analog salmon]

its just a filter m8

[hollow bobcat]

Objectives are what I go for when I play husky and other modes. Sometimes people just go for kills and others just want to extend the games.

[zenith holly]

Only the mythic and heroic map pack were free, everything else was paid for at the time, you can't really say they became free later on when back then you paid for those map packs

[analog salmon]

i dont really get retrospectively criticising halo 3 because Microsoft wanted to milk more money out of players by monetising the map packs. i dont even get how this is a defence of lootboxes in halo 5

[crystal iron]

I do the same and yeah that's true I just want to win also like APG said caring only about stats is for amateurs what matters is did you win the match.

[hollow bobcat]

Everybody was releasing map packs back in the day. Season passes became normal for a long while as well.

[analog salmon]

and some people would prefer to have paid map packs over lootboxes

[hollow bobcat]

I'm not defending it and I'm glad free maps are here, but we typically accepted it without question long ago. It wasn't until around over 4 years ago when we started hating the concept.

[onyx latch]

I really hate lootboxes so it's one of the few complaints about 5 I view as valid.

That said-the reason I think it's still valid to criticize map packs retroactively is because it legitimately had a greater impact on the Halos that had it, than Halo 5's lootboxes had on Halo 5.

[hollow bobcat]

Those people are what we call not very bright. People think that if you pay for map packs, you get more content without loot boxes. The problem is that you fracture the community.

For example, I want to play a few matches on the new maps, but my friends didn't pay for them. Not only are we not able to play on those new maps, but we can't connect to other potential lobbies.

[onyx latch]

So it's more working against the utter lie that is/was "Free maps suck, paid map packs better".

[analog salmon]

halo 3 was so wildly popular at the time that you didnt need the map packs to find games instantly. not saying i want paid map packs back today but it really wasnt a big deal

the game at launch was fun, the game with map packs was fun

[crystal iron]

See that goes back to a discussion I had with a guy about Dungeons and Dragons he trying to argue that you get more quality players if they pay you to DM like receiving 10 bucks makes somebody a better person lol

Same thing applies to content just because you paid for it doesn't necessarily mean it's better content then if you didnt pay for it.

[analog salmon]

nobody would buy map packs if they couldnt play them

so we obviously could play them

[hollow bobcat]

The normal method of monetizing a game is enticing people with free maps and possibly a free to play multiplayer. They just had a bunch of bundles, especially with some egregious pricing points.

[analog salmon]

so im not very bright for thinking map packs were better then loot boxes for 2007 halo 3?

because that's a hot take brother

[glacial tartan]

I would rather buy a feature complete game, personally. It’s getting exhausting to see games come out and several years later it’s finally in a decent state.

[hollow bobcat]

I always got the map packs and the further we got with content, the more times I couldn't match up with friends on the new maps. It's gut-wrenching when somebody joins a lobby and they don't have certain pieces of the DLC content.

I'm glad we have free maps now because as I mentioned before, we don't have to worry about missing out on content and we can connect to more lobbies.

[analog salmon]

its really not gut-wrenching

you play the playlists without the map packs

[hollow bobcat]

Overall, I don't want to pay for maps ever again.

[grim citrus]

One is optional and one is mandatory and the one is that is optional is the bad one?

[hollow bobcat]

The only time I'll ever pay for maps is if it's single player content expansions.

[analog salmon]

right but would you take loot boxes back in 2007?

[hollow bobcat]

You don't have to have loot boxes either.

[crystal iron]

You usually had free ways to earn some loot boxes anyhow and most of them were only cosmetic.

[analog salmon]

are you saying you wish halo 3 had loot boxes over map packs?

[hollow bobcat]

Me? No

[onyx latch]

TBF, everyone loved a certain 2007 game that had lootboxes added to it

[analog salmon]

because you said im not very bright for preferring map packs to loot boxes

[hollow bobcat]

Currently, the good system we have right now is free maps and no loot boxes. It's replaced with bundles.

[analog salmon]

so you are contradicting yourself now

[onyx latch]

I honestly prefer the bundle system, I just wish it was cheaper. And yes, I know it's cheaper than it was.

[crystal iron]

I think we should just agree that both have their downsides on one side everybody can play together but you're going to have to pay for cosmetics on the other side your cosmetics and stuff are unlockable in game but your fracturing your community.

[hollow bobcat]

Although the prices are high, bundles are at least straightforward. You're not taking a risk with receiving something you don't want. Everything that's available is right there for the taking should you have the funds for it.

[onyx latch]

They've been consistently improving how bundles work. Work's to be done, for sure, but improvements have been consistently delivered.

[hollow bobcat]

Plus, everything is cosmetic now. There's no direct advantages with weapon variants.

[crystal iron]

Between the two the map packs probably do win out ahead some

[hollow bobcat]

Which makes me question the release of Halo 5 on PC if that somehow ever happens. How are they going to design warzone with all of those weapon variants? Are they just going to scrap the system entirely and upgrade the weapons over time? Maybe we can save points and alter the weapons we currently have at a terminal.

[onyx latch]

Ahead at what? Being a worse system?

[feral depot]

The maps were not mandatory

[signal ivy]

if you wanted to play with your friends they were

[hollow bobcat]

They should be mandatory and free.

[feral depot]

They are now

[hollow bobcat]

I know, and that's a good thing.

[signal ivy]

literally locked you out of playlists unless you purchased the map packs

[analog salmon]

nothing stops you playing with your friends who have map packs on the base game you paid for
sry ping

[signal ivy]

I'm talking about older games

[crystal iron]

From a consumer standpoint if you don't want to pay for as much.

If you think about the grand total of spending given the price of map packs versus the price of all cosmetics the map packs obviously are the cheaper route.

[signal ivy]

unless you had the map packs, you couldn't play the new playlist with your friends

[analog salmon]

they might abandon you but to play the map packs without you but they can still play with you if they want

[hollow bobcat]

The bottom line is this; paid maps were bad. Being restricted from anything should never be acceptable in terms of game modes and map packs. Cosmetic bundles are optional because they don't necessarily impact the game directly.

[signal ivy]

I didn't say you couldn't play with them at all, but if they were all playing the new maps and you didn't have them then too bad

[feral depot]

Tell that to halo infinite, paying for colours

[signal ivy]

which is scummy

[crystal iron]

I personally don't need all the cosmetics but I do remember that was a big stickler point for many players when Halo infinite came out

[signal ivy]

and cosmetics don't affect gameplay so it's fine

[feral depot]

Halo 5 req packs sucked, halo 5 is the worst halo game

[feral depot]

So why am I paying then

[hollow bobcat]

I didn't mention the bundle system the game has, but I can agree the restrictions to customization were a bit too much. Not being able to select your own colors was a step too far in my opinion.

But we can't necessarily blame those decisions on free maps.

[signal ivy]

because you are choosing to?

[feral depot]

But what if I don’t want to pay for a shiny blue colour

[signal ivy]

then don't

lol

[feral depot]

But why does it cost money?

[analog salmon]

it really just inflates the price of the game, so in reality halo 3 was $60 + $8 + $8 + $8. but i mean it was still a great game for that price lol

[feral depot]

Helmets, sure, I don’t want to buy helmets are an option, and I’ll pay for different armour bundles, but paying for colours?

Absolutely not

[signal ivy]

60+8+8+ the monthly cost of xbox live gold

[analog salmon]

you still had to pay gold to play halo 5 to also deal with lootboxes

[signal ivy]

yeah, and I didn't like req packs either

[feral depot]

So stop defending them

[signal ivy]

they're just lootboxes with a different name

[hollow bobcat]

I had to buy the bleached bone bundle because it's the only white colored armor I could have on my Mark VII armor. It really sucks that I had to do that. I understand that a free to play game needs monetization, but that's a bit ridiculous to have to pay for basic colors for your armor.

I can understand buying cosmetic alterations of said colors, like making it shiny or animated, but everything else was ridiculous.

[signal ivy]

who is defending req packs?

[analog salmon]

we were defending map packs in contrast to loot boxes 😄

[hollow bobcat]

Map packs and loot boxes were bad.

[signal ivy]

yes

[crystal iron]

I just wish we could buy some of the things individually like there's a helmet I want but I have to buy a bundle to get it but I don't want anything else in the bundle I just want that helmet

Bro how is infinite making any profit. Like WHO is spending $14 for a single set of armor and a bunch of copy n pasted colors for the other ones

[analog salmon]

the good old halo 3 vs halo 5 civil discussion 😄

[feral depot]

I would rather play Spartan strike than halo 5

[signal ivy]

nice

you still can 👏

[analog salmon]

I would rather play Halo Reach then Halo 3 or Halo 5

[hollow bobcat]

Halo 5 actually had a decent multiplayer. We just had to get used to the advanced movement. A lot of games experimented with that system for a while, especially Call of Duty.

Halo 5's breakout was an absolute banger. I really miss that mode.

[feral depot]

Yes halo 5 had fun multiplayer, a pretty damn good forge mode, but sucked at launch

[crystal iron]

I liked original Breakout 2.0 break out was okay but wasn't as big a fan

I mean that's one thing you got to get 343 though they may have a hard lunch but they do end up sticking with the game and making it into something good instead of abandoning it like so many other companies do games

[quasi finch]

Cool weekly

[crystal iron]

Cause they have no choice?

[hollow bobcat]

Slightly off topic, but I still think 8 seconds spawn timers are too long (but it depends on the mode of course).

[quasi finch]

Might just buy it

[crystal iron]

Hopefully they eventually learn to just take that extra year though instead of rushing it out or the executives that rush them do

[quasi finch]

Fr should 5 or 6

[hollow bobcat]

5 seconds would be the good sweet spot.

[crystal iron]

They did delay it a year and it still launched poorly

[quasi finch]

Or 6, I’d be fine with either just nothing more or less

More time makes it easier for exterminations but less time to comeback. Whereas less time gives more time to comeback but it would be chaotic.

[crystal iron]

Didn't know that.

Either way they got new leadership now so there's at least hope

[hollow bobcat]

If you wanted more details, there are some YouTube videos that are 30 minutes long that talk about the launch of Halo Infinite and the many blunders. And yes, there was lots of restructuring.

[crystal iron]

I have some hope. Been there since it launched. It came a long way sure, but in the span of nearly 2 years, the content that has been put out is pitiful

[hollow bobcat]

Well, that's because the initial two seasons were heavily stretched out. The content was typically designed to be released every few months, but the delays caused a lot of mass chaos.

[crystal iron]

I was there for the launch I left and came back I just don't know much about what happened before the launch I wasn't really keeping up with it I was mostly playing Destiny at that point for the last couple years

[crystal iron]

Even then, they had 8 whole years of development

As to how they didnt have more than this even now in that time span, idk

[onyx latch]

I'm having flashbacks to the worst paying scheme I ever saw.

[crystal iron]

I really doubt infinite is gonna last 2 more years

[hollow bobcat]

From 2015, they had 6 years total including that one year delay. I don't know what was happening with the development studio, but I think it was mainly because they were trying to restructure the campaign and that takes a lot of time.

[onyx latch]

Which was Gears of War 4 and its combination of single map packs, loot boxes, bundle boxes, and worse.

[crystal iron]

3500 players avg on steam, big yikes

[crystal iron]

I mean that's different though I'll agree that is a company is double or triple dipping then that's just pathetic

[onyx latch]

Steam Charts lover, yikes

One (1) [Singular] yike

[crystal iron]

Got any better way to see how many players play?

Yeah the steam chart doesn't take into account all the Xbox players cuz we do have cross play

[crystal iron]

Aight lets check the ranking it has

[onyx latch]

Don't need one. I have better things to do with discussions than wring my hands over steam charts.

Oooooh noooo gee guys I care so much about this

Just carry on instead of being annoying about player numbers. If you're that worried, quit the 'dead game' or get friends to play with you.

[crystal iron]

A couple months back I forget the thing the guy used but showing the video where we probably have somewhere around an average of 15,000 combined for both platforms which admittedly is a low for Halo

[crystal iron]

Bro is a mad denier lmao

[analog salmon]

I was confused how Rats Nest, Standoff and Foundry were not default halo 3 maps but apparently they were only a paid map pack for 3 months before being made free

[crystal iron]

Quite literally what happened

[onyx latch]

So you're deciding to be annoying.

[crystal iron]

Sure

Of course! Big annoying!

Regardless of the player count I'd rather be over here playing something I enjoy with a small population then something like Apex of fortnite that has a huge population but is just unfun to me

[crystal iron]

Battle royales fell off hard. I dont get how running simulator is fun for anyone where you frequently stop to shoot someone and then go back to running

[analog salmon]

as long as the game is sustaining enough of a population for you to enjoy it, that's all that really matters

😄

[hollow bobcat]

If I had to guess, I would assume that Halo Infinite probably has around 10K players with PC and Xbox.

[grim citrus]

Yes it was if you wanted to play certain playlists

[crystal iron]

I mean microsoft soliatire places higher than infinite so💀

[onyx latch]

Do you have any idea how stupidly popular Microsoft Solitaire is among older non-gaming crowds

[hollow bobcat]

I think those numbers are going to be increased when the next season releases in October.

[crystal iron]

No of course not

I dont have a single idea

[crystal iron]

Agreed I just want to get on and play not spend all my time grinding out guns just so I can PVP or running to the nearest box hoping I have something viable.

With Halo I can just bring up the game and play that's it

[onyx latch]

It was a rhetorical question.

[analog salmon]

As a diehard Solitaire player how dare u call me a non-gamer

[hollow bobcat]

I'm wondering if people knew that Halo Infinite did have a Battle Royale already. I see mint on YouTube is talking about it as if we never had it before, but we did. It was called Last Spartan Standing.

[crystal iron]

Exactly. Especially when all it takes is for you to get killed once and you gotta spend another 20 min to get rng based loot

[onyx latch]

You're not part of the crowd that normally plays that, tbf.

[analog salmon]

i've actually never played Solitaire in my life

[crystal iron]

Halo is just coming back and you get back in the game in mere seconds

[crystal iron]

There's been a rumor for a while that it might get one cuz people found some huge map that could be one.

But that's not been confirmed yet so we can't really speak about it

[hollow bobcat]

Solitaire seems like the game you would play if you were over 60 years old and retired.

[smoky wave]

Solitaire 2

[crystal iron]

That gamemode when I played it was atrocious

Like who seriously thought halo and battle royale was a good combo

[onyx latch]

It's very popular for the 50-60 demographic and isn't really treated as a video game. It's like a facebook game in terms of appeal, barely even a video game.

[hollow bobcat]

It can be a good combination if it's done right.

[analog salmon]

it was actually good before they made it disrupter starts and it became who has lower ping

[smoky wave]

The game mode was good until they made changes of it

[analog salmon]

when it was sidekick starts LSS was solid

[crystal iron]

Which proves how low infinite is💀

[onyx latch]

Not really.

It proves how popular something that could be run on a literal toaster is.

[analog salmon]

aging population innit

[smoky wave]

Games like Solitaire will always have more players than any game, same goes with similar casual style games

[crystal iron]

That a game for old people is more popular than a AAA and is micorosoft's pedistal

[onyx latch]

Yes. That's why the Wii won the console generation it was in.

[smoky wave]

Don't anyone tell them about mobile games

[onyx latch]

It tapped into older and younger markets who aren't interested in shooty mcbangbang arena shooters.

[smoky wave]

Or games like Candy Crush

[onyx latch]

^

[crystal iron]

Not candy crush oh no

[smoky wave]

Casual gaming will always be more popular, no matter what

[crystal iron]

Halo used to be casual too

[onyx latch]

You can play it literally anywhere, you can play it on any device, you can shut it down whenever you want, there's not a major necessary investment. Most people who play it don't think of themselves as the kind of person to care about video games or talk about stupid things like 'player numbers' and 'fanbases'.

[smoky wave]

People managed it to made it competitive even since Halo CE

[white birch]

Geshin is on phones too.

Sos Fortnite for that matter come to think of it.

[crystal iron]

Not in your average lobby

[onyx latch]

I'd bet a significant chunk of change that Candy Crush is vastly more profitable and popular than Genshin.

[smoky wave]

The average lobby was also competitive 💀

[onyx latch]

Of course it's competitive, you're trying to win the damn game.

[white birch]

The amount of people who play a game and those who consider themselves "fans" are a wide gap in truth.

[crystal iron]

No it was not. Your average player was not a sweat💀

[smoky wave]

Unless you go more of places like Forge game modes and all

[onyx latch]

Cold as mud.

[smoky wave]

And even then, people will try to win all means possible

[crystal iron]

Dunno man, ice bath take

[crystal iron]

Definition of try harding

[onyx latch]

Waiter! Waiter! More baby Seals for me to club!

[crystal iron]

Can have fun even if you lose

[hollow bobcat]

Sweating is a good thing. I do it all the time. 💦

[onyx latch]

He's not saying you're wrong. He's saying your take is popular.

[white birch]

Aint seen that in a video game ever.

[crystal iron]

Having the idea that its only fun if you win is so toxic

Look at rl and r6

[velvet cosmos]

Various bugs, poor balancing, performance issues.

[smoky wave]

That was always been a thing in gaming and close groups

[crystal iron]

Not back then

[hollow bobcat]

For myself, playing my hardest and sweating every match is what I consider fun. It keeps me energized.

[onyx latch]

Fun games where people are actually passionate if misguided? I can appreciate the dedication to not being a loser.

[smoky wave]

Back then too lmao

[grim citrus]

“Used to be casual” lol

[onyx latch]

I like this fella.

[crystal iron]

Very true

[hollow bobcat]

People try the suggest that a game should be casual because the reality is that they want people to take it easy on them.

[white birch]

All I know for sure is if you lost a game of Modern Warfare 2, the insults would come flying if you didnt go positive.
Didnt matter what mode, didnt matter what time or who you were playing with.
Worst Player Got Hazed

[crystal iron]

Not really. Look at custom games

I would say I'm similar to rugged I'm not sweating necessarily but I'm always trying to improve from each match

[grim citrus]

The “these guys are sweaty because they want to win” group

[hollow bobcat]

Custom games are one thing, but regular matchmaking is when people start suggesting casual should be the priority.

[crystal iron]

Huge difference between people who genuinely want to have fun and just want nothing else but to win no matter what

[hollow bobcat]

If I wanted something casual, I would play wacky game modes like Mongoose sumo.

[crystal iron]

We have ranked and casual

[smoky wave]

Even some games in customs goes try to win too

[crystal iron]

Both are indistinguable

[hollow bobcat]

Oh gosh, here we go again with that.

[white birch]

Ranked people go to casual to stomp.

Who do you think top-scores in BTB?

[crystal iron]

Read my next msg lol

I think the solution here is to just make a mode that goes against winning you want to lose as fast as possible 😏

[smoky wave]

You have split screen in multiplayer

[crystal iron]

Fantastic idea

[hollow bobcat]

Public matches are not called casual. Let's clear that air.

The second thing is that ranked and public only differ based on restrictions and rotations. People seem to have this misconception of believing a public match should not be taken seriously nor should it be difficult compared to ranked. Sure, people can try harder in ranked game modes, but it doesn't mean public should be easier.

[crystal iron]

There split screen in the campaign?

[smoky wave]

Multiplayer

[crystal iron]

💀

[smoky wave]

Not campaign, I said it clearly

[crystal iron]

Good priorities set straight

[velvet cosmos]

I’m on console, constantly getting random frame drops and graphical errors. Plenty of connection issues as well, and I know it’s not me, because I can run other games just fine. I enjoy Infinite, but saying it’s underrated off the mark.

[smoky wave]

And the mp splitscreen has been a thing since launch, shows people actually never cared that much

[crystal iron]

Lets add split screen to multiplayer and not the campaign like we promised guys

[ruby knoll]

don't forget bungie pro

[hollow bobcat]

I used to always hate split screeners in Halo and other FPS games. They typically perform the worst.

Wait, correction. I still hate split screen players in multiplayer.

[crystal iron]

You got the s or the x?

[onyx latch]

Seeing a (1) or worse, a (2), or the worst, a (3) in a Reach lobby was a death sentence to your ability to beat a match.

[grim citrus]

2023 gamers in a nutshell.

“We want split screen, game is bad without split screen”

split screen gets added

Nobody plays it

[smoky wave]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[crystal iron]

Its the campaign split screen people care more about than mp

[velvet cosmos]

One. Need to upgrade eventually.

[smoky wave]

Split screen has been a very niche feature since uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh well, when people got more access to the internet

[crystal iron]

That could be why even the new S is struggling with some games

[velvet cosmos]

Yeah, but it handles MCC fine.

[grim citrus]

If they cared about it, they would’ve added it.

[crystal iron]

I wonder if the series x is gonna make it once a game tops off starfield

[ruby knoll]

and people wonder why Microsoft axed development for campaign splitscreen

[crystal iron]

Amds 5600 is a min requirement

[onyx latch]

Yes. It's been there since launch.

[grim citrus]

Nobody cares about split screen ever since consoles became more affordable

[ruby knoll]

there's MP splitscreen since Nov 15, 2021

[crystal iron]

Your take on that was dog water ngl

[grim citrus]

Cool story

[crystal iron]

You were speaking facts and then💀

[onyx latch]

Oh no, he's pulling out the 'dog water' now.

And the skull emojis.

[ruby knoll]

almost nobody knows about it

Microsoft has the numbers, and I imagine they were low enough for Microsoft to tell 343 to reprioritize

[crystal iron]

I actually have a friend like Daddy competitive he refuses to play Infinite now simply because they didn't add split screen

[crystal iron]

Guys look im insulting and making fun of the guy from earlier! Im so cool!

[grim citrus]

If the consensus wanted split screen for campaign, they would’ve added it. it’s not like it’s a brand new feature

[ruby knoll]

look, i'm all for campaign splitscreen, but i mean...

[velvet cosmos]

MCC is much larger though.

[crystal iron]

I got a refurbished series elite 2 for $30 more than a new regular controller

Id say it was a solid deal

Oh

Just buy a 3rd party controller

Just know it will NOT last though

More than half of em do

[grim citrus]

When do you ever preach facts?

[crystal iron]

Never said facts except when it came to statistics earlier before you came in with your mc ego💀

Wdym by that

My bad and I didn't mean exactly alike similar I guess would have been a better word

Like the original?

[slim flint]

*you don’t

[crystal iron]

I dont see a big diff between them other than higher quality material and the d pad getting updated

[grim citrus]

Statistics such as?

[crystal iron]

Welcome to the world of high end controllers

[crystal iron]

Halo inf steam chart and rankings on xbox

You dont wanna see the market for the modded controllers

Stick drift will always come

No matter what

Even in the most high end controllers

Halo sticks?

Oh

Well unless you can replace the joystick itself, its gonna happen

[grim citrus]

I don’t recall any rankings on Xbox. Only games that people play

[crystal iron]

Bro you are not kept up to what we were talking about earlier💀

[grim citrus]

No because I work.

[crystal iron]

Elite two is just the analog

Not the actual joystick

[crystal iron]

Dang same. And I go to college. Thats crazy

Thats what Im jealous of

[grim citrus]

🤷‍♂️

[grim citrus]

If the consensus wanted split screen back, would they not bring it back for campaign?

[crystal iron]

Instead of tryna be a know it all kinda guy, you go back to being the main character in your job

That fits you better

[grim citrus]

I’m trying to be a know it all? This is new to me

[crystal iron]

Whats the big differences?

So kinda like the elite 2 for xbox

Are there metallic buttons

[analog salmon]

problem is they charge like £20 a stick

kinda nuts but its Sony

Microsoft nearly had a win with the self repair program, but they dont let you buy just the PCB and then solder on the rumble motors yourself

so you have to pay like $60 for it preassembled

not that it should cost $60 anyway

its amazing how they will do everything possible to avoid just giving you an at cost replacement for a defect of their own design (stick drift)

[slim flint]

minimum viable product

[rigid slate]

Fr tho

[slim flint]

yes! EOD! EOD! EOD!

[grim citrus]

I don’t understand why people can’t just answer basic questions.

[onyx latch]

Gotta get that snapback buzzword reply in

[analog salmon]

minimum viable response

[hollow bobcat]

What if Master Chief had a fursona?

Sir, snuggle wuggles.

[analog salmon]

uh

[hollow bobcat]

I'm just imagining that Master Chief cat dance from Fortnite.

[onyx latch]

A very basic character, I'd wager.

Likely a generic dog of some kind with natural colors.

[uneven bison]

Eggshell cream. The default Labrador colors.

[onyx latch]

I'd wager a German Shepard, actually.

[grim citrus]

Why is it the best campaign?

I… uh… what?

CE fell flat after the introduction of the flood, but to each’s own

[celest terrace]

man i started playing halo 2 and its kinda horrible

the pacing is so bad

[hollow bobcat]

Halo Infinite was the worst campaign. There was no substance to it. Halo 2 I had the best campaign in my opinion.

My list is:

Halo 2
Halo 3
Halo CE
Halo 4
ODST
Reach
Halo 5
Infinite

[grim citrus]

What do you know about where the story is going after infinite? Do you know what the endless is? What drove cortana to blow up the ring? What happened to the people on the infinity?

[celest terrace]

i dont know i just started so it could improve lol its just the first mission with the arbiter is kinda stupid what with you having to chase that heretic guy twice over the banshee

[hollow bobcat]

Infinite was a mistake because the developers were too afraid to continue after Halo 5. Rather than submitting to the fans, just tell the story and complete the saga.

[grim citrus]

Huge mistake. But it’s understandable why they did what they did. People couldnt follow along to basic storytelling.

So basically repeating the original trilogy. Nice!

The endless = the flood

Okay and? They are basically the flood

The endless is essentially a threat that is almost improbable to stop… correct?

Let it be known they don’t explain anything about the endless except that they are a force more powerful than the flood

[uneven bison]

So the flood

[grim citrus]

Right… you know who was also a threat to the universe? The flood

You can’t be serious.

So… it’s the flood in 2023.

Listen man, if you are interested in a storyline that has been remixed in 2023, then more power to you.

You’re not understanding. Nobody is saying it will be the flood, im saying the story structure is similar to the flood story.

Retreading old storylines.

There’s absolutely nothing on the endless aside from is vaguely said in infinite

Idk, after 20 years of halo… im just not interested in whatever story they’re trying to make.

Chief going after a brute… again? They already did that story line

Halo 2-3 already explored this type of storyline

Chief after brute, while stopping an intergalactic threat

~yawn

They should’ve kept cortana as the antagonist.

[rugged quartz]

I kind of want maybe smaller scale? stories, but stories with more personal consequences

[grim citrus]

They just wanted cortana outta here because people complained she didn’t “die” in 4

[rugged quartz]

you know what would have been GREAT

[celest heron]

we already had forerunners in h4

[grim citrus]

Cortana and the weapon should’ve co existed in multiple games

[rugged quartz]

a cutscene where we see cortana fragments enter the domain and take over and see their corruption and see that the domain didn't cure her of the madness, rather solidified it in a stable manner

[celest heron]

that was the one before

[grim citrus]

You really think they would “kill” her, bring her back, “kill her” and bring her back again?

[rugged quartz]

Parts of it felt like she was still alive in a less capable way bu helping us, that with the portals and stuff and presence helping

[celest heron]

The didact was one of the war generals or something

[grim citrus]

No. It’s not.

[rugged quartz]

The Ur-Didact was the leader of the Prometheans, warrior-servants

[celest heron]

you're probably remembering one of the terminals

[rugged quartz]

The Didact fought the humans and defeated them. Well he lead the fighting

[celest heron]

all of those people are dead. Didact lived cause he was in a prison

[grim citrus]

Why end it? Look how large the universe is? They need to stop putting Chief as the forefront.

Downes is 73.

[celest heron]

and muted lol

[grim citrus]

Lol what he do?

[celest heron]

idk, probly cursed too much

[rugged quartz]

There's so many stories to be told

[grim citrus]

I would’ve preferred they keep the banished as a red team/spirit of fire storyline

[rugged quartz]

They felt bigger than that

[knotty ermine]

does reshade still work with mcc?

[grim citrus]

Never saw them like that

[hollow bobcat]

Would it be unreasonable to suggest that if somebody is constantly idling, they should just get permanently banned?

I'm not talking about after the second or third warning. I'm talking about immediately.

If not, then a permanent expulsion from any season pass progress.

I mean, if you're just going to idle for the sake of pass progress, then you don't deserve it.

[onyx latch]

I don't mind the Banished expanding more, but Infinite was a bit of a leap.

[crystal iron]

@rugged quartz Do you have discord kittens

Halo 5 did nothing wrong. 90s kids just couldn't except change and wanted halo 3 1.5

[crystal iron]

We dont talk about the campaign or the pay to win warzone system with req packs

Multiplayer was ❤️

Campaign was eh but the mp was where it was at boii

[hollow bobcat]

Halo 5 had a better campaign than infinite. I'll keep saying that forever.

[crystal iron]

Warzone was awesome. But jesus it would g-

Also the sound design in halo 5 was soo good man

Bro aint no way

[hollow bobcat]

Halo 5 had the arbiter, buck, Cortana, the Infinity.

Halo Infinite had Diet Coke Cortana and a janitor.

[crystal iron]

To be fair though, half the dudes in infinite as the big bad characters I had no clue

Like where was cortana?

They treated her as a galactic threat in 5 and she hit that leave game button when infinite rolled around

[crystal iron]

Hottest take imaginable

Next you're going to tell me halo 3 has the weakest storyline from the bungie halo games.

[crystal iron]

Some dude actually said exactly that

Seems legit

Average halo 5/infinite player just craps all over bungies works

[grim citrus]

You sir speak the truth

[crystal iron]

In an alternate universe

"Bungie bad, 343 good"

[grim citrus]

What rank were you in the bungie games

[crystal iron]

Dont remember. Been far too long since I touched the originals

[grim citrus]

So wasn’t a high rank

[crystal iron]

Prolly not, your point?

Actually halo 4 I maxed out all the classes

Or whatever they were

Those levels

You got the mastery emblem for it

[grim citrus]

You making a comment saying average halo 5 players when you weren’t good in the bungie games

[crystal iron]

Thats not what I meant💀💀

You took that way too literal

[grim citrus]

Then elaborate

I love how you go straight to insults

[crystal iron]

If you cant find out what I mean I got no hope for you

[grim citrus]

This is rich

[hollow bobcat]

Anybody who says infinite had a good campaign clearly didn't play the other ones.

The best thing about Halo 5 was that I was actually looking forward to the sequel. I wanted to know what happened after the AI uprising, the rest of the Guardians, what would happen with Cortana, etc.

Infinite gave us a silver platter, but the moment that lid was removed, It was just a turd steak with a side of toenail clippings.

[crystal iron]

Infinite has a solid campaign it's fun because it's something a little bit different and yes I have played all the Halos multiple times.

[lusty wraith]

“I love how you go straight to insults”
Bruh you literally just said “ur bad kid” in longer words

[hollow bobcat]

Most smooth brain responses include phrases like "skill issue" and "ur bad". People often don't back up their claims with additional details after that.

[rugged quartz]

Chill

[zenith holly]

Let me get some marshmallows on this heated moment

[quasi finch]

Diet Coke is better than regular coca cola

[hollow bobcat]

In this case, I really wanted to just delete that AI in Halo Infinite.

[quasi finch]

I want Roland

[rugged quartz]

I miss roland

[quasi finch]

Halo infinite’s campaign would be better if it wasn’t open world tbh

Would save more room for better cinematics and boss fights

[hollow bobcat]

So how about that Halo reboot.

[quasi finch]

I liked the covenant kraken fight in halo 5 or whatever it’s called

[rugged quartz]

no.

[quasi finch]

No

[rugged quartz]

Ah really?

[hollow bobcat]

I still think it should be done. Give it another 12 years because it typically takes that long for a good Halo game to come out nowadays.

[rugged quartz]

Some stuff in open world is fun but it should ahve been pushed further or more linear but diverse levels

[grim citrus]

They never do

[zenith holly]

The open world doesn't bother me too much its a new approach and helps us explore a bit on a halo ring unlike the other halo games

[rugged quartz]

It would be good if that exploration was more meaningful

Differing biomes and things that really feel nice to explore and find

[quasi finch]

Before anyone says it, Bethesda would make it single player and have hella bugs, blizzard or activison would ruin it and pollute it with microtransactions much worse than halo infinite and any other company doesn’t have a budget that big

My dream would be a rockstar reboot

But that would never happen

[hollow bobcat]

Imagine if Respawn or possibly the Gears of War developers took over the project.

[quasi finch]

Not gears, I didn’t like gears 5

[onyx latch]

Gears 5 was great.

Except for exactly two parts.

[rugged quartz]

any idea of a reboot is dumb and honestly not worth discussing

[onyx latch]

That were both mercifully short but no less annoying.

[rugged quartz]

i enjyoed 5

[zenith holly]

Rockstar? Really? Do you want the armor to cost millions of credits and have people grind on it for months?

[onyx latch]

Oppressor Mk2 but in MJOLNIR form

[quasi finch]

Not halo online

[hollow bobcat]

Who said Rockstar?

[quasi finch]

Just the campaign

[zenith holly]

It's still rockstar, and you have to consider both campaign and online

[hollow bobcat]

Rockstar doesn't even make their games anymore. They just get another mobile game developing company to do their titles for them.

[grim citrus]

Waiting for Max Payne 4

[zenith holly]

Plus I don't think rebooting will just solve the problems it'll make it worse, just look at MW2

[grim citrus]

MW2 was great

[quasi finch]

I wouldn’t care considering 343 wasted their budget on infinite

I wanted space rhinos

[zenith holly]

The new MW2

[quasi finch]

The campaign, yes. The multiplayer, no.

[rugged quartz]

Why are we even talking about an idea that is really bad and shouldn't take long to figure out why it's bad..

[grim citrus]

F’real

People need to get over that bungie doesn’t make or want to make halo games

[onyx latch]

Because Halo

[grim citrus]

And halo 3’s formula is a niche concept

[onyx latch]

It attracts the goofiest people for the silliest conversations about the wackiest things

[rugged quartz]

I'm not getting high scores in BTB social right now, maybe because i'm distracted and that's annoying me ahh

[zenith holly]

Distracted with this?

[sullen kiln]

For server moderation concerns, please message @upbeat plover.

[crystal iron]

It got deleted too🤯🤯🤯

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 CRAZY

[quasi finch]

Yeah but still, 343 had me until I saw chimera armor

God awful chimera armor

I despise it

That’s all I see now

[crystal iron]

Imma ignore that

[grim citrus]

What’s the silliest arguments have you encountered so far in regards to halo?

[crystal iron]

Nah that is a completely unrelated issue to what was said earlier💀

[onyx latch]

Is it time for me to don my Flenser armor again?

[crystal iron]

Can I apply

[rugged quartz]

If that's all you see that implies a lot of people actually like it

[onyx latch]

It's neat armor, though I wish it had better leg plating.

[quasi finch]

It’s ugly

[onyx latch]

You're ugly

[quasi finch]

It’s because it’s free

[onyx latch]

Because you're free

:3

[quasi finch]

🥰

🧍‍♂️

[rugged quartz]

There's a lot of paid chimera

[onyx latch]

Uhhh... Was it the one about the psyop? Or the one about the gay agenda? Maybe it was the one about 5 being made for the purposes of money laundering?

[rugged quartz]

Yoroi also had free stuff

[quasi finch]

Chimera is for weirdos tbh

Id like to see new mk v coatings

[rugged quartz]

Cross coatings forward should be all cross core though

[onyx latch]

Honestly, I hear of and see so many stupid arguments about Halo from people who seem to legitimately have issues in the vein of a certain arrested internet '''celebrity'''.

I'm genuinely surprised I never heard of a gamestop employee getting pepper sprayed over Master Chief's armor changing.

That's how bad it is sometimes.

[quasi finch]

Who might that be?

[onyx latch]

The one who pepper sprayed a Gamestop employee when they changed the color of Sonic the Hedgehog's arms.

[quasi finch]

It’s because halo fans are too tired from letdowns to pepper spray anyone

[quasi finch]

Lmao

[rugged quartz]

Ima take some chimera pictures for you

at least one

[quasi finch]

I dont care about armor changes as long as it’s not chimera

[onyx latch]

Yeah, I guess telling yourself you need to hate this or the number company wins all the time would drag down your mood. It'd be an admirable devotion if it wasn't so pathetic.

For a free to play game, Halo really does live rent free in a lot of people's heads.

[quasi finch]

Or maybe I dont enjoy it as much anymore. I love halo as a franchise and I’ll play it all the time but I don’t have that much fun playing it anymore.

Also it was a joke

You don’t have to be so offended

[onyx latch]

I'm not easily amused by hearing the same joke ad nauseam, sorry.

[quasi finch]

Tousche

But like I said

[rugged quartz]

okay so i took a few

[nova bronze]

Really wish I knew using the envy skull would disqualify you for getting the legendary achievement before I started my play through (it’s completely my fault for not reading the warning)

[onyx latch]

So how'd it go?

[onyx latch]

O

[lusty wraith]

Anyone know if Marty/Michael were involved with Halo Legends’ OST?

[onyx latch]

I like the Flenser look.

[tepid latch]

Any skulls that alter the game to make it easier for you to win it will disqualify you afaik

[rugged quartz]

They weren't

[tepid latch]

i think in MCC they have a x0 multiplier

[quasi finch]

I actually kind of like the middle right one besides the helmet

[lusty wraith]

You sure? The arrangements are like nearly the exact same

[nova bronze]

Yeah but I used the bandanna skull and got the achievements for halo ce and 4 so it’s weird to me that’s it’s only for halo 2

[lusty wraith]

Titled the same as H2’s ost as well

[onyx latch]

Remixes of their tracks.

[nova bronze]

Eh it’s the thought that matters, maybe someday I’ll come back to get the achievement but it’s not anytime soon

[grim citrus]

Sometimes I wish halo fans were like Mario fans.

Appreciate that they make games no matter what change they do

[quasi finch]

That’s better

[onyx latch]

They just shrug and keep making degenerate content about Bowser.

Respectable, in its own way.

[rugged quartz]

I am great at making fits

[quasi finch]

Still goofy armor core that I strongly dislike

[nova bronze]

Well halo is a lot more complex then Mario, in both story and gameplay, so you can’t just wildly change what people like, like what Mario does

[grim citrus]

When chris prat was called to voice Mario, the uproar lasted about a could weeks

[quasi finch]

Yeah but def not any person who uses chimera that I’ve encountered

[onyx latch]

I just use the full Flenser set with the only change being the hip attachment.

Because I like my Mantis Shrimp drip.

[rugged quartz]

i change my armour so so much

[quasi finch]

Same

[rugged quartz]

if people ask me what do i usaully wear?

[grim citrus]

What? Because halo is complex, they can’t wildly change anything?

[rugged quartz]

the thing is i dont usually wear one thing

[quasi finch]

I usually stick to mk v or mk vii

[rugged quartz]

Mark V[B] is my least favourite core

[onyx latch]

Based

[quasi finch]

It’s best that I don’t say anything

Nah jk your opinion

[rugged quartz]

I want cross core helmets thiugh

[lusty wraith]

Halo Legends Impend is so great btw

Legends ost in general sounds incredible

[quasi finch]

Would be nice but only with the right armor, weird chimera helmet on yoroi would be ugly

[rugged quartz]

it is

i want halo legends 2

its so cool that hte planet from halo legends shows up in halo infinite

[broken tangle]

Me too

[onyx latch]

I'm surprised we never got one.

[lusty wraith]

Which?

[rugged quartz]

the fracture ones are different

[quasi finch]

I loved the halo legends fred

[broken tangle]

Halo legends was amazing

[rugged quartz]

Heian, from the babysittetr

[lusty wraith]

Does it? That’s kinda crazy

Oh yeah the new map

[quasi finch]

That makes sense

[lusty wraith]

I thought you were talking about in campaign lol 💀💀

[nova bronze]

Yes and no, halo 4 and 5 had changes that were “wild” to parts of halo that people enjoyed and many people didn’t enjoy those changes. Forge is also wild, being able to make your own maps was super insane, it also didn’t impose on things people already liked about halo 2

[quasi finch]

Id like to see a map on a crashing frigate with a nice view of a planet below

[nova bronze]

Not saying I don’t like halo 4 and 5, love those games, but they are no where near some of the best halo games imo

[quasi finch]

Fs

I still don’t fully understand how they changed the entire art style between 3-4/5 and then kind of back to infinite in that amount of time.

[lusty wraith]

So glad we got Infinite art, but yea the continuity of designs is kinda confusing

Like the H5 phantom in the Infinite MP trailer (took place during the human covenant war)

[quasi finch]

I just want to see Fred in his nice juicy halo legends armor again 🤤

Pristine

[nova bronze]

Spartan 1337 was the best part of Halo Legends tbh

[lusty wraith]

The infinite MP trailer in general was insanely off on the accuracy front, Mk VII, H5 phantom, Infinite brutes 🙃

[nova bronze]

Craige dlc when

[quasi finch]

Yeah

[lusty wraith]

It’s whatever and I get it, reusing assets is cheap but it comes off like there’s someone who just doesn’t care

[quasi finch]

I was gonna disagree then I realized it was when the commander whatever her name is wasn’t even a spartan yet so had to be before halo 5

[lusty wraith]

Looks like Marty and Michael are credited in the Halo Legends IMDB page with ‘original score’

I’d guess they gave sheets? If not whoever was adapting the soundtrack did a phenomenal job getting the arrangements accurate

[grim citrus]

Well when you consider that it was a new trilogy and new company, why would that be wild?

[lusty wraith]

What I wouldn’t give for a Halo anime to have been made in the 70-90s

Would have been perfect, someone invent time travel

[nova bronze]

Yeah that would go hard

I’m not even that big into anime but I’d still watch it

[grim citrus]

The whole direction was all a mess

[ivory glacier]

I’m getting packet loss and my screen is glitching like crazy tonight on the first 3 matches I played so far. I’ve never had that happen consistently like that

[full warren]

playing on 125ms is crazy, I literally die behidn walls and when I shoot people they die after like half a second

I would be firing my next shot and he just dies in between shots.

[ruby knoll]

Halo Legends was pretty cool. glad 343 pursued that prohect

without Frank O'Connor though, i doubt we'll get a sequel

[quasi finch]

That happens to me all the time

That’s why I get so mad at ranked

Do you play on old gen

You shouldn’t be getting that if you play on new gen

Unless you have family using WiFi at the same time as you

[faint pilot]

Maybe one day, we'll get to visit Kal's grave

[ivory glacier]

Series X. Never happened before like this. Just once in awhile but never 3 matches in a row

[quasi finch]

Somebody in your game maybe

I have no idea

[ivory glacier]

I’ll manage. The 4th match was better so maybe it’s all better. I don’t know tech stuff

Spoke too soon lol

[full warren]

I gues the game is telling me to go away since I been waiting for team slayer for 10 mins, and only got put into a half finsihed game at 120ms..

[rugged quartz]

Cal, and I doubt she has a grave there, maybe, but body recovered probablu

[livid fable]

so I can't tell if this is just personal bias or if I'm perceiving things correctly

when I don't play objective, I tend to lose objective matches. when I play Slayer instead and I rack up killing medals, i tend to lose.

at least within y'all's experience with husky raid, how does playing Slayer versus trying to push play out for you?

[glacial tartan]

It will always depend on your teams playstyle so you have to observe / adjust. Some games you'll have to be the slayer, others the flag runner.

[crystal iron]

Imagine if halo was a 80s Sci fi action movie.

Like the first halo film appropriately named "Halo" came out in 1981

Crazy honestly

Also the film would be PG 13

[faint pilot]

Didn't those odst guys bury her where she went M.I.A.

[livid fable]

to be clear, I won't be able to say that I'm actually good at just killing. what I'm good at is ambushing, ganging up on people, engaging from high ground, baiting people near a cliff while I have a repulsor, that sort of thing. 1v1, I often lose.

we lost a match a couple of games ago where I had 30 kills. all of the enemy had negative kill death ratio. they won.

[glacial tartan]

If that happens its because you (your team) need to focus less on kills and more on objective timing. its a balance, otherwise you're slaying and for what

[livid fable]

had a really fun play earlier. that blue level with the big gravity jump for the flag goal. enemy shot a rocket at me from up high, I repulsered it facing forward. killed two of his teammates.

the other one shot me in the head right after that but it was a pretty good play otherwise

[crystal iron]

Wsg wsg wsg

[hollow bobcat]

I've noticed that I've had teammates that would push into the enemy spawn during husky raid, but they would never touch the flag.

They just wanted to farm kills because they didn't care about winning.

[frosty condor]

I don’t like those kind of teammates

[lusty wraith]

sniper killing my banshees in infinite got me depressed 😔

[golden flicker]

What's Forge mode?

[hollow bobcat]

Google it.

[analog salmon]

Map editor

[golden flicker]

Thx

Does anyone plays comp in Infinite? And does it gives anything?

[analog salmon]

its decently popular though you wanna play around peak times for european matches

but nah its just about flexing ur elo

a lot more fun then social for me though

[golden flicker]

ok

I'm just taking Husky Raid as training

And also grinding matches to unlock Comp mode

[analog salmon]

the team slayer playlist is probably the closest to ranked since you get the BR as the starting weapon a lot

i would learn the ropes in team slayer, maybe watch some competitive gameplay on youtube too

[golden flicker]

Oh I finally found 12v12

When I saw 3 minute time I thought it may go way too far with searching

[analog salmon]

ur playing very early rn

[golden flicker]

Ye, ik

Physical training session is soon for me tho, in about 2 hours

[analog salmon]

evening is the best time to play just in terms of matchmaking times

pretty much can only play ranked at that time

[celest terrace]

so whats the reason people see halo 2 campaign as the best one in the series

[golden flicker]

And one of hardest on Legendary difficulty

[tribal owl]

halo 3 rat is in infinite

[analog salmon]

good gameplay and location variety with a story that got tied up nicely by its sequel

i prefer CE's gameplay but I think 2's is more timeless. I doubt someone playing the remaster today for the first time would realise its just a visual enhancement on top of a 20 years old engine.

simple but not clunky in the way CE is

[vital frigate]

is halo infnite multiplayer still worth it to download?

[analog salmon]

in my 100% impartial opinion yeah its worth playing

[misty roost]

yes

[smoky wave]

Yes

[eternal lion]

yes (notably because its free so you have nothing to loose)

[lusty wraith]

Nothing but your sanity 👀

[golden flicker]

What's translocator for