halo-discussion

[lunar sun]

17 built in, at least. Can't remember what the forge maps are, or how many

(as in, forge canvas ala "Forge World"). Idk if it's just the one or if there are more

[analog salmon]

Just me or are Infinite’s servers wayyyy better this week

Feels most responsive I think it’s felt in a good while

Or I’m just having one of those days all my BR shots are landing

[dapper hull]

MCC servers shut down bc of new hacking menu?

Plz fix

Or just Security risk bc of Hacking menu. Idk. Something like that bc people are hacking

[analog salmon]

I don’t understand how Sidekick Slayer on Cliffhanger is still in rotation

It’s beyond broken

[grim citrus]

Hacking menu?

[dapper hull]

Something like that yea

[grim citrus]

What does the hacking menu do

[white birch]

Some exploit supposedly floating around
Heard nothing about it beyond one video from 2 months ago.
I doubt they shut down MCC considering I just played ir yesterday

[celest heron]

they wouldn't shut them down for that even if it was a thing

[azure owl]

How hard is Halo 3:ODST legendary? I normally play the hardest difficulty on games, but I have never played legendary on a Halo game? Is it infuriatingly hard?

[lunar sun]

Nah, not really

[azure owl]

Ah, ok. I’ll give it a try I guess.

[stone star]

Halo 2 is infutriatingly hard

[lunar sun]

Plays very similarly to H3, so

[azure owl]

Oh yeah, I saw Moist Cr1tikals event for that.

[devout kite]

Is it me or I hate it when your teammates open the gate on kusini bay one flag on defense

[onyx latch]

Even easier than Halo 3 on Legendary, which is already easy. You can take more damage.

It also usually throws less spread out and numerous enemies.

There's two sequences that suck, but they're both near the end of the game.

[low bloom]

So if i buy myself Xbox game pass i cant play online with players online in halo

[tepid latch]

you can since its a f2p game i believe

afaik that was the whole go with f2p games anyways

[low bloom]

Oh i don't care for the halo infinite multiplayer i am more of a halo mcc

[tepid latch]

Oh, probably need Ultimate or Core then

its a little backwards thinking if they're giving you all these games through game pass but no online MP to play them, but then they give you online MP with core but only a limited selection...

[low bloom]

Ok just had to ask before i buy Xbox game pass think ill stick with Xbox live gold to play online with friends on halo mcc

[tepid latch]

idk if you're aware though that they're retiring Xbox live Gold too, core is what that will become. since you own MCC by the sounds then that shouldnt change much for you

[crystal iron]

Anybody here that's gotten all the skulls for Halo Wars 2? I'm having trouble getting the bountiful harvest skull

[crude steppe]

Greetings everyone. I don't know where I can post this idea so someone from 343 could see this. I'd like to see some sort of "infiltrator" armor ability. Where you don't show up on enemy radar, don't get outlined with enemy color nor get highlighted by enemy reticle. What do you all think?

[white birch]

You've put this in MULTIPLE TIMES dude.
343 is not going to be looking
And, again, its active camoflauge, you tomato

And yes I will keep saying this until it gets through to you because I have basically nothing else to do rn

[crystal iron]

@hearty dagger

[tepid latch]

Just cleaned up in super fiesta, ik its not a huge achievement, i just love those gametypes

that super pistol is something else

[iron dagger]

I think that's a really cool idea. It would actually be much better than active camo, because it would require more skill. For many players, active camo is basically good for one free kill. After that, they're spotted and killed. I think it would also be neat if this pickup/ability allowed you to go undetected by the threat sensor/seeker. It'd be a much more balanced version of active camo. Edit: responded to wrong person

[hollow bobcat]

What do you call it when your team ignores all of the vehicles in squad battle?

[vapid marten]

very "pedestrian"

😆

[tepid latch]

ill ride in ur hogs <3

[onyx jasper]

I bought the echoes within battle pass, do I still get the same number of challenges as the infection live battle pass?

I got it and I only had 1 challenge to do

[onyx latch]

If you've already completed all your weekly challenges you don't get more just to fill slots until the next week.

Premium doesn't give you more challenges; It gives you one more active challenge slot.

[low musk]

And all the non free tiers of the rewards too

[solemn needle]

pause

[coarse dagger]

https://vxtwitter.com/Halo/status/1687493671036358656?t=HK1uqY2EE2erUIbwvVDI8w&s=19

[devout kite]

How’s everyone doing on their career rank progress

[celest heron]

hmm, infection montage. inb4 people just line up to give someone multikills.

[devout kite]

I can feel people will just use their friends to setup for clips

[leaden island]

in halo infinite, can i buy premium battlepasses for older battlepasses and get them and the rewards from them?

[crystal iron]

Yes

[coarse dagger]

You can indeed. Any old passes you don't own, you can go back and buy them at any point

Just equip them once you've bought them

If you did any of the free track before it closed, you can pick up from where you left off

[crystal iron]

That’s the best thing about battle passes in halo infinite tbh. I really like this lack of FOMO in them

[smoky wave]

https://youtu.be/-sHean_ybe0

[leaden island]

does everyone own winter update pass? or do you have to buy that

because i have it

[coarse dagger]

Everyone owns that, it's a free pass

[leaden island]

aw

also, why in the halo infinite shop everything is loading

[devout kite]

God the co streamer coating is taking forever to get lol

[river path]

To me all the Bungie halo games are the best ones

[leaden island]

why does the corrupted hex bulldog gamepass event not count my hours?

[coarse dagger]

Might need to reach out to Xbox Support about that one

[leaden island]

the funny thing is that it counted my hours that were months ago, but i unistalled the game and reinstalled it, do you know if you have to be in an actual game for it to count hours?

[river path]

Is it worth playing all of halo 5 campaign

[grave ether]

That's kinda up to you to decide. While I have my own points of it I could say I wish were different, overall I found it enjoyable and fun

Even more fun playing it with friends

[river path]

I have gotten into an argument with someone over if Bungie still owns the old halo games

[grave ether]

That's a jump in topic but ok

[river path]

Yeah sorry I tend to do that a lot

[grave ether]

All good, I do it too sometimes. Sometimes I even forget to type out a sentence or two thinking I had typed it.
Wasn't sure if that was related to 5 or not or if I missed something, haha

[vapid marten]

For the community montage, individual files must not exceed 500 MB, but several files can be more than 500 MB in total?

[grim citrus]

If you’re a fan of halo in its totality

[full warren]

I am getting some of the absolutely worst teams

this is ridiculous now, 5 games and we are like donw 15 kills each game, how is these teams fair

[devout kite]

Some players aren’t good relax

[full warren]

I literally had to get 32 kills in a slayer to win. this is why I don't play this game, literally thought its the weekend lets try this game again

nope I am very much done. literally force me to lose a bunch (if the games were competitive then maybe it would be fun) but it was just a straight loss carrying these noobs who does less damage than me combined. now I got my win I will quit, maybe try again next week

I gone from halo 50-60 matches a week to like 10 a week. I guess another 2 month I will have fully quit

[onyx latch]

Take a chill pill.

[uneven belfry]

Same thing has happened to me

I only play campaign

[coarse dagger]

https://vxtwitter.com/Halo/status/1687599420202958848?t=b-kPCQwps7LmGBHnEi_eRQ&s=19

[smoky wave]

Big stuff wow

[uneven bison]

I think the pelican drops being balanced will be a huge problem solver in btb. Having a chance to tip the scales with a power vehicle is an opportunity I felt like I didn’t see too much.

[rugged quartz]

splashy water

[pliant palm]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-splash-pool-play-fun-gif-7640913

[smoky wave]

That's me when splashy water in Forge

[eternal lion]

yes more CPU killer 🙂 But we never know, maybe this update will take into account optimization on PC

[errant relic]

energy bridges when?

[lusty wraith]

Agree, hoping that random ordinance is also looked at soon as well. Make it more like squad battle where the Ordinance is expected/predictable loot

But really happy camera movement and vehicle drops are being updated

[ruby knoll]

omg

[rotund bluff]

I have no clue how everyone uses snipers effectively at close range

Or in general since I can’t hit a damn thing

In fact I just lost 3 times in a row so maybe I would just throw myself into a meat grinder at this point cuz I suck

[languid prism]

dude what is with the dog water match making in general, why do i get paired with little timmies who just got an xbox for the first time in his life while the enemy team is filled with people like me who actually know what to do and how to aim

like i swear they all have the default "1" emblem and go 0-9 the whole game

[spring ginkgo]

Tell me about it. Im with you.

[quasi shard]

I swear it always felt like it was Warthogs and Gungooses until like, the last 2 minutes of a match

I really hope that it doesn't become wasp spam though

[unique fog]

Guys halo CE or halo 4 which is better

[scarlet fog]

H4, i will die on this hill

[unique fog]

Never liked either tbh

Lol

[scarlet fog]

i only give points to CE because Cursed Halo (Again) exists, but Halo 4 is otherwise my jam for PvP

anyways, i want to submit feedback/discussion about something related to Halo Infinite, but the forums don't exist anymore, how does 343 get community input these days?

i'm not always a very patient person, and my attention is really iffy when i'm playing a Slayer mode of some sort and i'm sitting here waiting 10 seconds to respawn

[grim citrus]

H4, but CE has a special place in my heart

[unique fog]

Fairs

[thin elm]

Graphics? H4. Story? CE

[unique fog]

Fair

[celest heron]

you can find every opinion on google. If you want to give feedback, you post it in #1039633978841374720

[crystal iron]

Respawn camera control is crazy

Wdym

[crystal iron]

Ah

[tepid latch]

Did they say Respawn Camera Control is off for Comp tho? i assume that'd be the case

[scarlet fog]

according to Google, because the official website is outdated and is trying to take me to the Halo Forums, which are gone, 343 only gets feedback and suggestions from Halo Insiders

[onyx latch]

https://support.halowaypoint.com/hc/en-us/articles/360036218972-How-to-Submit-a-Halo-Support-Ticket

Oooooh would you look at that, a support website's instructions on how to submit a support ticket without any Insider requirement.

Wonder where that came from.

Gotta step-up your google fu.

[tepid latch]

Yeah, from everything ive heard, the forums here are just as u
good as waypoint forums

[lusty wraith]

Yep tickets are for bugs, not suggestions

[scarlet fog]

that's a support ticket, are we expected to submit support tickets for casual suggestions like reducing respawn timers?

so that i'm not falling asleep between spawn times in Slayer modes?

[onyx latch]

Yep, it's one of the options. Not that you should ever expect them to listen to your suggestions.

They have their own vision so unless it's an especially astute observation, you likely won't get anywhere with it. It's people on the other side, not an automated entertainment generator. Begging for a quicker respawn time is likely not in the cards for something they'll actually pay attention to beyond token feedback response, but you'd get more attention submitting a ticket than posting on a forum, screaming into the void of yes-men and nay-sayer forumgoers with no control over Halo's reins.

[proper egret]

Is anyone have trouble shooting for custom browser

[winged tinsel]

Hey peeps. I'm always looking for someone to run Halo with. I'm not the best at Infinite and I mainly do SWAT in MCC, but just love to play. Feel free to DM me if you wanna link up at some point. ^.^

[tepid latch]

theres also the Looking for group section in the server if you're looking for people to play games with! im sure you'll be able to find some swat players in there

[winged tinsel]

Oh! I should have explored the server more. >.<

[scarlet fog]

sigh, alright, good to know :/ i'll just stick to playing MCC when i don't have a lot of patience

[onyx latch]

Cringe

[crystal iron]

I understand that some people don’t have much patience but getting bored because of 10 seconds respawn time?

[harsh nova]

Tiktok generation lol

[scarlet fog]

i don't watch TikToks, i just have ADHD, and some days i feel it more than others

there's no logical reason why casual slayer matches need 10 second respawns, i get faster spawns in Battlefield

but hey, that's cool, that's why the MCC is superior to Infinite

but whatever, i came here looking for answers and i got them, so take care

[noble delta]

343 really needs to listen to Xbox players right now we aren’t waiting anymore

[coarse dagger]

No, please don't submit suggestions or feedback via support tickets. They should be reserved for bug reports only. Feedback should be posted in #1039633978841374720 for Infinite or #1076337363770417172 for MCC or Halo 5

If something like respawn timers are incorrect on certain maps or modes, yes that can be reported.
If it's just something you want to see changed, rather than incorrect timings, that's feedback for here

[onyx latch]

Isn't it literally one of the options for ticket submissions?

[coarse dagger]

Support site has never been for submitting feedback

[tepid latch]

Lol, i guess Infection isnt really goin around this time of night in aus

[inland lance]

its like odd, i've gotten so much better at halo all of a sudden

i decided to re-play the campaigns and like idk i just all of a sudden stopped having a negative k/d ratio

[unique parcel]

Is there no discord for mcc?

[coarse dagger]

You can use #1076337363770417172 and any relevant tags

Or discuss MCC here

[inland lance]

im pretty bad at Reach tho because the bloom is INSANE sometimes

[onyx latch]

Maybe you started sleeping better

[inland lance]

my sleep schedule has actually gotten worse lmao

its just that i finally started leading my shots

i used to think the weapons were hitscan for some reason

[inland lance]

Aaand now matchmaking keeps putting me in servers full of sweats

[crystal iron]

Damn

[analog salmon]

this is just how playing first person shooters with a controller be

you never forgot how to aim with a mouse but go a few years without touching a controller and it feels impossible

[inland lance]

I still play with a mouse and keyboard

[analog salmon]

oh in that case you just got better ig lol

[inland lance]

Yeah

[analog salmon]

i feel like i never forget how to aim with mkb, can go ages without playing mkb and im back to my peak in a few hours

but you do get better over time

[inland lance]

Yeah its kinda like that for me, however i find it more difficult adjusting between how various games handle aiming and projectiles

Thats why i used to be really bad at halo, most fps games I played previously had hitscan precision weapons

And i’m no way near being good at the game yet, i still suck at reach because of the bloom (im playing on casual matchmaking if that makes any difference) and i still have pretty bad spatial awareness when it comes to maps on MCC

On halo infinite though, I generally preform far better because i know most of the maps like the back of my hand

Im gonna try and do a legendary play through of the mcc campaigns sometime in the future, i heard that will really help in becoming better at the game

[devout kite]

Is it me or I hate it when you’ve that one teammate not helping in objective modes that only go for kills

[inland lance]

I agree too, its annoying in 4v4, on btb however its a lot more acceptable imo

[tulip tusk]

It'll be super cool if those digsite vehicles can be added to halo 1 custom multiplayer. Like on blood gulch or death island the normal maps

[low musk]

If they ever decided to bring back the Revenant, I wonder how they are going to address the size comparison of the blasts between their own and the Wraith tank's

[sullen anvil]

pls bring back david cross to voice marines in halo infinite

[quasi shard]

what's worse is when you did submit a bug report, at the recommendation of the Waypoint Mods at the time (back when that was the main Halo forum) who told you to submit it as a bug report, and the support person responds telling you you're making a Feedback/Feature change request even as more evidence mounts that its some form of bug and/or error.

that's what happened to me on more than one occasion, and while I get the why they did it (as cosmetic bugs seem to be pushed aside in favor of gameplay issues), it still stings a bit to know they would rather hope the issue is either forgotten or fixes itself rather than just make note of it and move on.

[crystal iron]

Well haven't been here in a minute.

Haven't really seen any YouTubers videos on Halo much, just about the August update...

But I have seen these Halo YouTubers kinda covering the Starfeild hype.

Honestly Starfeild could be good for Halo, if it pulls enough attention from Halo it could give the devs a bit more time to drop in stuff.

Like I'm just waiting for PVE matchmaking but given I can play starfeild at 5pm on 31st I should be plenty busy.

[empty rain]

I have just realized that you can buy some stuff directly from the costumization if you had missed in the store. I just want to know are these permanent or do they secretly rotate aswell ?

[crystal iron]

Who knows, nothing confirmed really. But this could be 343 trying to move over to a Catalogue system, while making the store a way to introduces limited time sales and new items

[empty rain]

Because there a few things i missed and want to buy and don't want to buy everything instantly 🙂

[crystal iron]

Who knows man, maybe in like a year they will finally be able to let you buy Individual items directly from the bundles

I was thinking for example how Ghost recon breakpoint, it sells you an uncle but if you click on the bundle you can buy one or two things from that bundle separately, aside from a catalogue store, that method is what most of the community wants to see from that store.

[grim citrus]

We still blaming the bloom in 2023?

[celest heron]

If you're not used to it, then it could still cause issues.

[crystal iron]

looking for the ma40 reload and firing sound effect? preferably in mp3 format
do you happen to have it

[grim citrus]

What kind of issues

Bloom has always been present in halo games

[smoky wave]

I'll bite, where it was present

[crystal iron]

How do you get XP to show in the top left corner in halo infinite?

[river minnow]

like the ways streamers/youtubers have it?

[crystal iron]

Yeah

[river minnow]

thats a third party app, and you have to request it from the owners directly

i think its halodotapi

[crystal iron]

Will it work on console?

[river minnow]

yes, yes we are

[river minnow]

nope

[crystal iron]

Rip

[upbeat cape]

So, does no one do any competitive mode other than Halo 3? Seem like that is the only thing that'll queue lately.

In MCC that is

[smoky wave]

Kinda surprising that in H3 competitive there are some people considering that those playlists are pretty dead

[river minnow]

yeah im surprised youre finding anything at all

[upbeat cape]

What ARE people playing on competitive in MCC on PC?

[uneven bison]

Not invasion, that’s for sure

[upbeat cape]

duh

[grim citrus]

Automatic weapons.

[river minnow]

people arent playing competitive mcc

[glacial tartan]

I dont know why you'd say that

[river minnow]

comp was dead in mcc when the game was popular, id find it extremely hard to believe you find matches within 6 mins of searching

[glacial tartan]

The doubles playlists (CE and H3) as well as H3 TS are populated. You will find games consistently, assuming you're not at the opposite ends in terms of rank (below 10 and above 40).

Oh, if you dont actually play it then I understand

Invasion / Hardcore typically require teams to coordinate to match each other. Almost impossible to find games of those.

[river minnow]

team slayer would take me forever to find a match, even when we had the 'play 25 ranked matches' challenge

[glacial tartan]

To answer this, Doubles (CE or H3) and H3 Team Slayer are where you'll find games in Competitive.

For doubles H3 Radar doubles (in right now) forces team matching so its slower queue times. Solos only match other solos. But for H3 Hardcore doubles solos can match teams and you'll find games all day long at almost every rank.

[inland lance]

i've only been affected by it on reach for some reason though, i can deal very well with infinite's bloom

i play reach on casual if that makes any difference

[grim citrus]

Ah.

[inland lance]

so i guess it does make a difference

[grim citrus]

I mean…. sure?

You just had to work with the mechanic to understand it

Just gotta put the hours in

[inland lance]

ok

[wet scaffold]

is there campaign co-op yet

[coarse dagger]

Yep, it dropped last year

[left snow]

It depends. If they are genuinely good at it... clearing space and protecting other players to run the objective... that's good. There is no point having your best Slayer with the Oddball in their hands.

But if they are just padding their KD... or thinking that they are going to rank up faster than everyone else. That's -yoink-.

[upbeat cape]

I forgot how BRIGHT, like blinding, the colors of character customization were, in halo 3, compaired to others.

Steel, other game, black or almost black. Halo 3, steal is grey that is 60% white 40% black.

[celest heron]

Issues as in they don't know how to time their shots or when to shoot slower or spam. It's been present, but not to the degree that's in Reach.

[grim citrus]

That was everyone when reach dropped.

[celest heron]

yes, but not everyone is playing Reach regularly nowadays. for example, I only play it when it's related to the weekly challenges.

[grim citrus]

So you have to play regularly to know the mechanics?

[celest heron]

if someone is a casual and hardly plays it, then it's possible not to remember or be good at it.

[analog salmon]

bloom was actually broken at launch in reach

343's TU saved that game pretty much

shame they didnt TU Invasion as well

i still always pickup the needle rifle in TU modes because its zero bloom unless you jump

[near blade]

Invasion remained populated long after the other playlists died.

[tulip tusk]

H2 containment zone esque map would be nice for floodfight

[wanton root]

h2 containment zone's first half is quite fun to speedrun

the second half however is just sitting in a corner waiting

[low musk]

I’m looking forward to this week’s event. 2 weapon models, armor, and some interesting coatings definitely gives good incentive to participate

[onyx latch]

I'm 50/50 when it comes to TU Reach.

On the one hand, it nerfs a lot of things that I thought were OP, and buffs some things like recoil.

On the other hand, it made shields bleedthrough, which is by far one of my least favorite mechanics.

[shell mulch]

Disagree, in my opinion, TU broke the weapon balance in the game. Even in Vanilla settings, the DMR was still a beast and now in TU, it's even more powerful due to reduced bloom and shield bleedthough. Armor lock is even stronger than before due to bleedthrough as the melee damage was unchanged from its high value. Many times in matchmaking I feel like I being killed too easily. The AR is now more useless than before, even more than the magnum.
There's a reason why TU has never completely replaced Vanilla settings.
However, I do think that Zero bloom settings are an improvement for competitve games, I think that TU should stay exclusive to DMR starts and MLG competitive.

[fiery pewter]

Guys is it illegal to go 48/12 in a match when your 2nd best is only 11/18?

I got even accused of cheating on xbox

I guess people are not allowed to perform well anymore lately

[crystal iron]

Why would it be illegal? Lol

[crystal iron]

Yeah, some people like calling players that are better than them cheaters lol. Ignore them

[fiery pewter]

They called me a cheater with the xim because i wiped them out on my own since my team was hella bad, to the point the threatened me of getting me banned by posting the clip of the forums

I almost fell from my chair from how hard i was laughing

[crystal iron]

Oh yeah, because posting clip on some forum will do something🤣
These people just can’t accept that someone is better than them lol

I once got an xbox message "nice cheats idiot" lmao

For just being better than them lol

[fiery pewter]

Lmaoooooo

Thing is, unless i start tryharding a lot i'm not even that good

And since i got triggered at how bad my teammates were and i wanted to win, i started trying hard

[fiery pewter]

Oh btw, they even blocked me, i think there's no higher peak on salt mountain than the block one

[crystal iron]

🤣

Yeah lol

[fiery pewter]

Tbf match was extremely unbalanced tho, if i had rate in a scale from 1-10 i'd say i was a 7 with my human bots being 1/2, while the enemy team was variegated:
2 of them were a solid 4
1 one a 5
1 was a 2/3

Is there even SBMM in quick play?

Or was it removed/toned down

[analog salmon]

4 shot magnum is so fun though. For me 4v4 Reach TU Magnum starts is peak Reach. Much more fast paced. I don't really care they killed the AR because it fixed the game flow.

Not sure what you mean by armour lock being stronger? As in using it as a defence against melees? I found it super easy to counter post-TU with a nade or just using secondary weapon to shoot them out of the lock

Vanilla reach was just not my game at all, TU reach made that game maybe my favourite game

its hard to judge reach in retrospect because you just get the DLC maps over and over again in MCC though

only so much fun you can have when they wont let you play half the game

[languid prism]

Ngl i see why people stopped playing this game, mm is brutal when your a good player. Skill rating is a useless stat to even track after matches when it's clear one player makes up 70-90% of the skill for the whole team

[analog salmon]

less people play > less sbmm > less people play cause less sbmm

[languid prism]

Less long time players play, more new people join every day. At least that's what it feels like, keep getting timmies with no thumbs joining my games. I mean even when they leave the bots aren't any better as they literally walk in circles in spawn

it's ridiculous

[inland lance]

whats TU?

[analog salmon]

its just kids mostly i think. they probably dont always get put in lobbies with high level players so the game isn't usually that hard on them

but i know what you mean

[inland lance]

nah but fr, i got like 3 matches where i had an relatively good K/D ratio, then it decided to put me in a match against like 4 sweats who wiped the floor with me and my team

[analog salmon]

makes zero sense to put someone obviously very novice at first person shoopters with players in the top 10% of the playerbase

[inland lance]

or even worse, i get put in a team full of sweats, who cause me to get like 15 assists and like only 3 actual kills

[analog salmon]

Title Update

[inland lance]

ah ok

[fiery pewter]

I beg to differ, 343 bots are way more usefull then human bots

At least those can move and shoot at the same time

[analog salmon]

the bots are broken on forge maps

only reason i can think 343 doesnt disable them is they either cant easily or they see them as feeding kills and ending the match faster

basically you just need to get into ranked and only play around the peak hours you can find ranked matches

use social as a warm up or warm down

or for playing with friends

once you get over the fact you're gonna plateau and focus on enjoying the game not looking at ur rank, its so much more enjoyable

[languid prism]

I got an ice cold take, the time out timer for being afk should be 1 minute when the game officially starts.

[analog salmon]

100% with a 30 minute ban lol

[languid prism]

Swear i had a dude afk in a strong hold match for FIVE MINUTES, then played normally the rest.

[analog salmon]

it feels too long

when the game has bots

throw those afks out

a bot is a distraction at least

[languid prism]

Stg on 343 made maps the bot's do better than my team lmfao

[analog salmon]

i hope they improve the bots tbh cause the quitting/afk problem is never going away

[inland lance]

the breacher br is absolutely insane

[vapid marten]

I'm uncertain at times if it's actually people being afk, or if the game is just loading for them.
A BTB I joined in progress a while ago ended with me never seeing the map even, just heard that the match ended. Black screen all the way from loading to the post-match screen. Still had one death, so at some point I did spawn in, even though I was "loading".

That's not to say there aren't afk players around. I do report when they come up.

[onyx latch]

Only 30 minutes?

[analog salmon]

3 years

[onyx latch]

343 months

[stray sinew]

Wish I could play Halo Infinite but I doubt me PC can play it

Like it struggles with H2 Anniv. graphics

[analog salmon]

My PC chugs in Halo 2A but hits a solid 100fps in Infinite

[wanton root]

if you have gamepass ultimate, you should be able to play it on xcloud iirc

[wanton root]

Halo 2A graphics has weird frame drops

[stray sinew]

My pc does fine with all other MCC games but H2A made my PC chug like a mf. Found that out when I was replaying the first level as the Arbiter

[analog salmon]

Infinite has a option called “minimum fps” that enables dynamic resolution that combined with the built in sharpening gives you reasonably good image quality while reducing GPU usage drastically

[stray sinew]

Made me kinda wish I still has an xbox

[analog salmon]

Infinite is actually reasonably well optimised, it just gets compared to esports shooters which have exceptionally low CPU usage. If you just wanna hit 60-100fps you don’t need much

[stray sinew]

Damn. Wish I knew that like a month ago. Wont have time to play it after school starts next week

[analog salmon]

Happy to have extermination medal back in non-elimination modes 😄

Also restoring S3 slide

Honestly glad they stopped calling these updates drop pods

Put too much expectation on them when now mid season updates really just need to address bugs and such

Anything more should be a bonus

[coarse dagger]

Dunno, I still quite like the branding around it. The naming was cool

[analog salmon]

Problem is it means people expect content

And then 343 would feel compelled to hold back new playlists and such

The approach they have now is perfect I think

At least now seasons are seasonal

[mild cave]

anyone know why my armor hall won't load at all? Might as well be my entire customize and shop tab.

[left snow]

What was/is the S3 slide?

[coarse dagger]

Try restarting your game

[unique parcel]

[analog salmon]

basically how slide worked from the nerf to S3

I cant remember when the nerf was but slide was wild originally

then it was good until S3

then after S3 it was broken on any kind of upwards incline

which sounds logical but even a tiny bump in the geometry kills your slide right now

well curb or ramp slides

as i understand it wasn't an intentional change, just a unintended consequence of another change

its also wayyy easier to slide cancel (when you turn left or right to cancel a slide) as of S3, not sure if that's getting reverted or not

which was kinda annoying because you cant turn and shoot mid-slide without cancelling

though at the same time it gives you more control over the slide

we shall see ig

[left snow]

Thanks.

[olive brook]

why is my framerate so awful on halo 4 specifically

all the other games are fine

[sturdy coral]

This game's servers are an absolute joke. played infection ALL WEEKEND and guess what? NOT ONE SINGLE LOCAL SERVER. NOT EVEN ONE. 343 wonder why this game has no population...

[south badge]

packet loss has gotten absurd since S4 dropped, not that it wasnt pretty bad before. Only other game I've had network issues like this in is Destiny 2.

[sturdy coral]

every match has been 200-350 ping

but it's just infection. squad battle is fine. but infection is broken and just only gives US east and west servers. nothing else exists

[crystal iron]

Maybe halo is just very unpopular in your region🤷‍♂️
I don’t have any problem with finding matches in any playlist in my region

[sturdy coral]

I dont even know why I even try bringing these basic issues to 343's attention. I've tried for two years almost but because 'it doesnt have any immediate financial gain', the company couldnt give a rats

I'm in australia. yet of course me saying this will be brushed off because only the US matters. If this game would group Aus players together and hell, even keep lobbies together after a match then this dead game may still have a playerbase 🙂

but...anything other than keeping the shop working is a 'UI limitation' 😉

[smoky wave]

aus player
First have more players

[white birch]

Isn't Aussie Ping kind of like...a thing in most games?

I swear I heard SovietWomble comment on it while playing Arma.

He's aussie right?

[smoky wave]

The region has been really low on population, same goes with asia

[simple bison]

I've noticed that mcc drops suddenly fps (expecially with halo 3 and later titles).
I've an Nvidia 1050, so i shouldn't have any problems. I've already tried doing antivirus scans and reinstalling the Nvidia drivers, but the problem persists.

[crystal iron]

yo guys idk if this is the right channel for this type of questions but still i wanted to ask what is the smallest unsc ship?

[onyx latch]

Depends on what you mean by 'ship'.

If you mean 'smallest UNSC slipspace equipped military vessel' I'd say a Condor Gunship.

[crystal iron]

Nah like smallest in size ship class etc doesn't matter just smallest

[onyx latch]

Do you mean outright warships or things like Pelicans?

Because literally smallest ship is basically just a little inflateable rigid boat.

It's a very broad question you've asked.

[white birch]

Technically the smallest ship is a Spartan; Veta Lopis rode Fred-104 down a mountain like a sled during a combat operation.
She compaired it to riding a boat so.

[onyx latch]

Lopis must have been on some weird boats.

[shell mulch]

I've been in a lobby which used the potential of my Halo: Reach VIP gametype, being afk for a few minutes to go eat pizza and when I came back, the session was over and it showed the carnage report.
There was no warning that the session was about to end because it got past 24 Hrs or something and people started talking about 'hackerman' and 'least obvious hacks'.

Is there a hack in halo: mcc which can instantly end someone else custom game browser sessions?

[white birch]

Shes from Gao, they're consistently weird.

[tepid latch]

im on 10 to 20 ping per match, i think @sturdy coral might have to look at their server selection range.

Ive also found that i can barely find infection matches here and i assume thats the reason ur finding high ping matches for that, because only people in the us are playing it really

[white birch]

That tracks.

[languid radish]

is there no way to disable aim assist on mouse? if not, have they confirmed if they will add the option to?

[stone star]

anything that's not mainstream for the most part

Halo Infinite is a rare case of a recent game having aus population problems

usually it's older titles that drop off, you wouldn't be able to get a game on any Battlefield title pre Battlefield 4 here

heck getting BF4 games is difficult these days

the only cods active are like, the most recent 3

and the only reason it's that many is thanks to Warzone

leading up to Infinite's release MCC was active here thanks to the Halo hype

now it's more dead than Infinite in Aus, only games to be found are on the CGB and even then there's usually no more than 3 active lobbies at a time

any oldschool arena shooters we have no chance with, you will never find a quake game in Aus

not even Quake Champions

Aus is overall quite competitive with its gaming, pretty much any game that has a popular Esports scene has a large playerbase here

so you'll always find games in CS:GO, Overwatch, Rocket League, League of Legends, Valorant, Siege, CoD, Fortnite, Apex

heck I think Starcraft II is still active here

funnily enough Team Fortress 2 still has a dedicated Aus playerbase, there's always active Aus servers to join because that game refuses to die everywhere

for a good marker of Aus games pretty much anything that's within the top 25 games on steamcharts will have an active Aus playerbase

beyond that it becomes more case by case, some games like Payday 2 have a very low aus population although that might just be due to people preferring to play solo/in a private party as opposed to public lobbies, once you hit beyond top 50 or 75 is when the population really declines

[uneven bison]

Tf2 is like a horror movie villain

It just doesn’t die

But seriously, that sounds very frustrating for Aussie players. There are some games that are surprisingly still alive in the US that by all means should be long dead. PvZ garden warfare is still alive, at least the main game lobbies. Same with 2015 Star Wars Battlefront, a game that is notoriously sweaty, and by all means should’ve died by now. Same with battlefield 1 and 4. Heck, even the servers for old cod Xbox 360 games came back online recently, and they were roaring with activity.

Keep in mind, this is coming from a mountain west region player

[glacial tartan]

Cheaters can force matchmaking games to end early. I assume they can in CGB too

[willow junco]

Does anyone else have "G" permanently mapped to grenade swap in Halo 3? I can't remove that mapping even when its mapped to something else.

[languid prism]

Another night, another game full of actually garbage players on my team. Gotta love the horrible sbmm 343 just loves to put into every halo to nerf players who are above average

Watched a guy in my slayer game go 5-18, another 3-12

while i had like 24-6 deaths, just frustating carrying nearly every single game.

[umbral kettle]

guys so i was wondering is atriox’s power legit

like can a brute physically be that strong or is it plot armor

because it’s really strange watching master chief get destroyed by a dude whos species was easily slaughtered by mc

[languid prism]

4 losses in a row, every single time top of my team. Dunno how much more of this crap i can take. people going 2-8, 3-15 in land grab, ctf, etc.

[short heart]

ranked infinite?

[languid prism]

Nope this is just normal quickplay for me

nearly every single game.

[short heart]

that’s how all my games are outside ranked

you have to realize the win doesn’t matter

[languid prism]

True, it's not winning i care about anymore. it's just getting at least 1.5k score a game, which in quickplay is very easy due to obj giving out points like candy. Problem is when i start getting spawn trapped by power items because my team is just hiding in spawn or they die in a 2 of us vs 1 of them situation

Just sucks, punishing me by giving me bad players i'm forced to carry in terms of securing power items which puts stress on me because i can't even rely on my team to grab them after my inevitable death or even push the items in the first place.

[short heart]

so fun

[stone star]

yeah, pretty much all of those games with small but dedicated playerbases are completely dead here in Aus

every single battlefront game is completely dead outside of 2017's Hero vs Villians mode, and 4 player coop

[blissful sinew]

Halo reach the best

[umbral kettle]

H2A is good too

[languid prism]

Another match where the game put 2 bots on my team and refused to let my freind join so he could help us, why is this crap even a feature if they don't let you join mid game to replace them???

Yet it miraculously works whenever someone ELSE joins the game mid game

[left snow]

It's frustrating - but the MM has to balance the teams somehow. The alternative is to make the star players wait longer and/or risk a timing out.

And remember, a lesser player can still contribute by going less negative. At least that's how I console myself.

You went +18. But even then, you may have let the team down if you were expected to go +20. And that damage sponge who went -13, may have helped out if they were expected to go -15.

[languid prism]

I would think this were true if not having the entire enemy team have the same skill rating yet nobody on they're team goes negative and actually plays obj/kills. Like i would be fine waiting a bit for a FAIR game

[left snow]

Which is probably what contributes to the sense of "having to carry". It's not so much getting the kills - that probably comes naturally - it's having more responsibility to herd the sheep?

[languid prism]

Pretty much, always pushing power items solo etc. I'm just tired, it honestly makes me not want to play KNOWING i'll have to carry every game

[left snow]

But from a mental point of view you have to let go of the postive / negative. Your team mates are expected to go negative. The key is somehow helping them go less negative.

[left snow]

It doesn't mean they aren't trying or putting in any less. God knows I've gone negative in games where I've played some of my darnest and sweatiest Halo.

[languid prism]

I try, i really do. i even throw myself in front of the enemy sometimes to defend the flag carrier when they play obj, etc. I KNOW they're trying, it just sucks for them and for me. i shouldn't be playing with people brand new to the game (default 1 emblem is how i tell with min bronze rank)

It's not fair to carry them or for them to expect to be carried, i would be fine waiting in que for a fair game. Let new people play with new people, let people like me play with other players of the same skill (not the bs team skill rating, personal skill)

[mild cave]

anyone know why my Customize stuff wont load at all?

[sullen kiln]

Please don't tag 343 employees. See #rules-and-guidelines for more information.

Please refer to the Halo Support site for additional information and/or to submit a ticket concerning any issues you may be experiencing.

https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[livid fable]

love these technically balanced games

[umbral kettle]

uh guys

is atriox really that powerful or is it plot armor

because i feel like infinites into cutscene and that hw2 cutscene don’t feel like a brute

they feel like something an experienced elite could do like xytan jar watinree but not a brute and how is he that tall? he’s 8’6”. mc is 7’2” but atriox easily looks double the height of mc

whats going on here

[analog salmon]

probably a question for #lore-and-universe 😄

[crystal iron]

Halo reach is bad game?

[signal ivy]

that's subjective

some people like it

others don't

[crystal iron]

My fav was halo 2,3

But halo 5 That made me angry because of the serious ending and that's all the time just to kill the same boss

In my opinion about halo 5 story I found it short

But it should be little better

if it was that boss

But I hope 343 gets better this time

[analog salmon]

Reach is a good video game, its just a bad competitive halo game

[crystal iron]

Yes

[analog salmon]

I love the game but competitive is a big part of Halo and Reach fell short in that respect

[crystal iron]

I thought halo reach was amazing taken away competitive

[maiden void]

yo can i still play custom games on halo reach on my xbox 360 and on halo 3? might get xbox live gold to play with a few friends on it

[green oar]

Only local or using a separate server host iirc

[maiden void]

so i cant over xbox live

rip

[green oar]

I don't think so, but I could be wrong. MCC is always an option, Reach and 3 should run fine even on lower-end PCs.

[analog salmon]

Yah I played some Reach BTB with friends the other day and it was so much fun. I also love the campaign.

[maiden void]

i might pick up a second hand xbox one to play mcc at some point

[analog salmon]

You should still be able to play custom games but you do need Xbox Live

[maiden void]

yeah

[analog salmon]

Its just matchmaking and whatnot that no longer works

customisation in Reach is completely gone, everyone is now Noble 6

[coarse dagger]

That's not something that can be discussed here Burger, against ToS

[maiden void]

ok

well atleast u can still play customs but you basically cant get levels anymore

[crystal iron]

MCC is cross play?

[maiden void]

yeah on xbox one and the x/s and pc

[crystal iron]

Ok

[green oar]

For multiplayer yeah, not sure about campaign co-op for all games though. I think 3 and onward are at least.

[maiden void]

well if its self hosted over xbox live it should be good

[analog salmon]

Only 3 and ODST are crossplay in campaign. Outside of campaign and spartan ops everything is cross play.

The dream would be dedicated servers and crossplay for all the campaigns but no word on either afaik

[maiden void]

idk what rlly happened to halo though went from a casual, fun party and somewhat competitive different shooter game to live service battlepass where u gotta pay for colours

[analog salmon]

its still those things. F2P is just a trade off

i would say F2P is probably overall a good thing considering how many people wouldnt have tried the game otherwise

[maiden void]

i guess thats fair but in my opinion halo wasnt made to extract as much money as possible from a loyal fanbase. i think they could have atleast approached f2p in a different way

[analog salmon]

yah, everything they've done since launch to make it less egregious should have been the way it shipped

like reducing FOMO

[maiden void]

i think the idea of allowing players to forever progress any battlepass is neat though a step in the right direction for ftp

because ftp live service is basically using battlepasses to make games a chore and to prey on peoples FOMO

i mean infinite probably prays on fomo too with some cosmetics but idk because i havent really played much of it

[analog salmon]

a lot of the backlash was because shop items became unattainable but they pretty much addressed that mostly

[smoky wave]

They recently added the ability to buy older bundles and all in the armory from previous seasons

[maiden void]

also by any chances are there things such as halo xbox 360 lfg discords?

for customs

[smoky wave]

Well, ''recently'' I think it was like some 2 months ago

[analog salmon]

I'll dm you

[maiden void]

awesome, thanks

[shell mulch]

even with zero bloom?

[analog salmon]

it has no maps

reach got a couple DLC arena maps and then the CEAMP map pack and that was it

and frankly the CEAMP maps were not reach maps

[shell mulch]

there's forge, you can have whatever map you want

[analog salmon]

But why would you go from Halo 3 competitive with beautiful arena maps to Reach competitive with just grey?

[shell mulch]

I agree with the grey, they need to add an option to color blocks in many colors

Maybe it could be introduced in an update for Halo: Reach, 4 and 2:A

[analog salmon]

I mean talking in retrospect I just mean its very understandable why competitive halo players didn't get much from Reach

[shell mulch]

Don't know, pros seem to like Reach competitve with MLG v7 rules more than Halo 3

[analog salmon]

In terms of MCC I would just add Reach's classic remakes to Halo 2AMP

[shell mulch]

there's so much that can be added, but the first thing I wanna see is split-screen for the PC version

[analog salmon]

I just hear people complain that Reach killed Halo comp all the time, idk about pros

I do think 3 was a lot of fun with mlg settings, basically halo 2 without combo nonsense

i have no real desire to play Reach competitive but I would love for Halo 3 competitive to have a revival

all i want for Reach is the map weightings in mcc matchmaking to be fixed

its so annoying you cant play half of reach's maps barely ever

[shell mulch]

yea, I can't find most of the time the base maps, I mostly find DLC

I don't remember the last time I've played on Boneyard in big team battle matchmaking

[analog salmon]

its so frustrating honestly, probably the biggest issue with mcc for me

[shell mulch]

but I don't like Reach matchmaking regardless due to TU settings runining the balance of most weapons and encounters

it's good for competitive but not for casual

[analog salmon]

i only played TU reach really. for me that is reach

i do think magnum starts are far better then DMR starts though

you can get that in MCC for slayer

[shell mulch]

just for slayer

in other stuff it's 75%DMR/25%AR

[analog salmon]

did pre-TU reach have magnum starts across all social modes?

[shell mulch]

don't know, never played matchmaking in og reach, since I didn't have xbox live gold

[analog salmon]

i did but i cant remember

i think TU changed it to DMR starts which was a mistake

otherwise I like the TU

[shell mulch]

there's also a way to cheat using the DMR in TU

but just in TU

[analog salmon]

howso lol

[shell mulch]

if you crouch, the DMR will have zero bloom, allowing you to freely spam it and have perfect accuracy

[analog salmon]

lol true but you're not gonna win any cq fight crouched

[shell mulch]

it did for me in many cases

[analog salmon]

in a way that made crouching have an actual purpose in reach outside of making jumps you otherwise couldnt

[shell mulch]

it also has an effect in vanilla settings, but you'll barely feel it

[analog salmon]

i just think the DMR is a bad starting weapon

i love the weapon but it wasn't right for social starts

[shell mulch]

it is, but even with magnum starts, TU makes it overpowered due to reduced bloom and shield bleedthough

[analog salmon]

i like that honestly

its faster pace then halo 3 but it's still fun

gives you an incentive to get up close

[shell mulch]

I'm getting killed across the map like it's Halo: CE

and because the melee damage was never reduced from it's high value, shield bleedthough is broken for melee

espically if you're using an armor lock

[analog salmon]

I know what you mean but im not sure i would call it broken

it makes for a unique gameplay that maybe wasnt intentional

[shell mulch]

shield bleedthough works very well for the rest of the game, but not for reach

[analog salmon]

but compared to the sidekick in Infinite, I honestly find the magnum in Reach much more enjoyable in fights

[shell mulch]

I wish they could make it that DMR starts would be TU and AR starts will be vanilla

that way, everyone would be happy

[analog salmon]

by this do you mean armour locking to block a melee and then meleeing?

[shell mulch]

yes, since you take damage from pummeling the armor lock, even if you take safe distance to not get hit by the EMP, they'll somehow find a way to pummel you in 1 hit to your death. I was armed with an energy sword when that happened

if it was vanilla, I would win that encounter since they wouldn't be able to pierce though my shield with their punch

[analog salmon]

i just think armour lock is bad. i dont think its OP but it forces you to play around it, such as avoiding getting caught by something like that

post TU you can shoot someone out of armour lock with your secondary and they will have lowered shields

[shell mulch]

Back when I was playing reach on the xbox 360, I never found it annoying at all

[analog salmon]

people are better at using the sandbox now though

[shell mulch]

even though I didn't have xbox live gold, I did play system link (LAN) matches

[analog salmon]

i dont think you can compare like that

without the TU there would be more balance issues imo

[shell mulch]

why do you think they never added TU to infection or invasion? because then the players who starts with the magnum would dominate

[analog salmon]

im not going to argue the sandbox was well balanced post-TU but it was more enjoyable for me back when I was on XBL

I would say Reach needed more attention in many ways, balance, maps, etc

[shell mulch]

the only weapons which I think needs a buff are the AR, both plasma rifles, focus rifle and the spiker

[analog salmon]

balancing the weapons with lowered bloom would have probably taken 343 longer then they had the time for with Microsoft pressing them on a 2012 Halo 4 launch

[shell mulch]

halo 4 was such a disaster when it came to multiplayer gameplay, even though I think it's better than halo 5 multiplayer because there's no power rangers abilities, you can barely have any kind of non-Call of Duty style gameplay

where you actually need to look around for weapons instead of calling them in to drop for you

[onyx latch]

Watch an actual episode of power rangers for once oh my god

[shell mulch]

never was into the power rangers series, I know they don't actually have halo 5 abilities, I was just making a joke

[analog salmon]

I don't really have a problem with them experimenting with new ideas for 4 but they got overly ambitious with MCC which resulted in 2AMP being a flop

[onyx latch]

People make that joke and people think they're actually being serious

[analog salmon]

really if MCC was just all the campaigns and 2AMP only. 2AMP could have been the game for the old school halo fans

trying to put all the MPs into MCC was the mistake they made

[shell mulch]

In my opinion, Halo 2 Anniversary multiplayer should've been Halo 4, it basically fixed everything Halo 4 failed at

[onyx latch]

4's actually got a lot of the same powers as Power Rangers

(Mostly because there's always seemingly at least one dude with invisibility)

[analog salmon]

does it really matter though? Imagine if Halo 4 was a cross-gen title with a proper Xbox One version. Then you had Halo 2AMP come out the year later. Everyone would be happy

Microsoft/Xbox really messed up imo

[onyx latch]

Halo 2A just felt bad to me.

But then I don't like Halo 2's gameplay at all, so I guess that explains that.

[analog salmon]

its hard to love Halo 2AMP with so few maps. and it also needed some rebalancing for sure. the sniper AA is wayyy over the top for how open those maps are

[shell mulch]

The sniper is okay, the lack of maps is something which needs to be fixed

[kind palm]

they should add the yellow variant weapons as coatings

[analog salmon]

There's a handful of Reach and 4 maps that are remakes of 2/3 maps and thus ideal candidates for 2AMP. If its not too much work, I would love for 343/Saber to port them over. Not holding my breath but that does seem plausible due to the engine similarities.

Both for arena and BTB

would be so cool to play Breakneck or Reflection in Halo 2AMP

and the art style clash would be worth it for more maps in 2AMP. they're still going to look far better then a forge recreation.

[shell mulch]

2AMP has the problem that I can't see anything; the lighting in the maps are way to dark. They need to bright up the maps

[magic night]

I've never had that problem, but that might be because I play on an HDR display.

[analog salmon]

i use my monitors vivid mode

its not ideal but it works

basically 2AMP with fixed SDR lighting, slightly tweaked balancing, and more maps has a ton of potential

[willow junco]

I just increased gamma

[serene furnace]

Of all the maps in Reach

Countdown is coming back, seriously

[cunning oyster]

What if infinite added the reach covenant AR as a skin for the UNSC AR?

[serene furnace]

I mean it wouldn't look that better

If they added the model from Halo 3 or 4 tho, then it'd look awesome

[crystal iron]

What are y’all’s thoughts on the M392 Bandit in infinite

I believe that it’s really nutty

[low musk]

I like the Bandit. Its a good close to medium range weapons, yet its not like the BR which is an all range type of weapon, so its a good starter that is difficult to break the game with.

[crystal iron]

I like it a lot, it’s smooth, it’s got decent range, and I feels like a shotgun

[coarse dagger]

https://vxtwitter.com/Halo/status/1688606846821572608?t=kgCtQQcPbSy_p2xDwcPYCA&s=19

[analog salmon]

It looks countdown inspired but i cant see 3 levels in the picture

[rotund bluff]

is it ok to suck at halo?

[snow cargo]

Yes

Everybody's gotta start somewhere

[analog salmon]

my guess it will be quite a bit different even if there are 3 levels

[rotund bluff]

I’ve been playing for a year

When the hell do I get “better”?

[analog salmon]

at a certain point just playing a game wont make you much better

[snow cargo]

Getting better is just something that comes with experience imo, you may not notice yourself getting better but your brain will, mentally noting plays and good strats

[analog salmon]

there's fundamentals that dont come intuitively

[low musk]

Played BTB Heavies on MCC for the weekly 250 Microsoft points, and I have to admit, that was a crazy fun game

[analog salmon]

i somehow hit my record number of kills the other day in Reach Heavies

maybe in matchmaking ever lol

[low musk]

I don't keep track of that since my skill level experience in Multiplayer is mediocre at best

[grim citrus]

… power ranger abilities? You forget halo 4 had the same abilities?

[analog salmon]

i wasnt even trying that hard just got a good driver in the gauss hog a few times and racked up 60 kills over the entire match. basically only tank beats the gause hog in reach lol

i never do well in Infinite BTB/Squad Battle

[low musk]

I saw a guy on our team who contributed to about 48 kills in the whole game. I got about 11 kills since I had the SPLASER and I was on Vehicle cleanup duty xD

[analog salmon]

im pretty relaxed usually in BTB but i get in a vehicle and i go full tryhard mode trying to kill as many enemies before i get slazed or skewered or whatever

to me BTB is all about the vehicle combat

and counter vehicle combat lol

[celest heron]

I just go for the banshee.

[vapid marten]

aaah the sweet sweet memories of Reach's Banshee in BTB

[celest heron]

I'd say I'm the best at it in h4 although reach is the most op one with movement

[vapid marten]

Seeing it ballerina around in the sky dropping green packages on all my team mates and myself

As my team mates ignored the purple winged sausage gracefully hopping around in the sky

[celest heron]

Now with custom controls I could probly get better with the reach one.

[devout kite]

I think I know why the AI change to butlr if you change something on your Spartan then it’ll change your AI to butlr for one match then it goes back to your equipped Ai

[vapid marten]

Or the nice fireworks I made with mine as the entire enemy team graced me with yellow lines of spaghetti from their 8 collective DMRs

Those were the days

[hollow bobcat]

So Halo is giving people a purple heart calling card. The first thing I did was point at the screen Leonardo DiCaprio style saying, "Hey, I got that medal."

[celest heron]

Or spawning and getting bombed before I could move

[vapid marten]

The Purple Heart. the most difficult medal to "congratulate" a receiver of.
Glad you're alive to get it but sad to hear you got it, because you had to go through some injuries required to get it.

[hollow bobcat]

Mild second degree burns on my left hand from a smaller IED that hit our vehicle. I was laughing because I had some morphine in my system (along with our turret gunner).

[vapid marten]

I'm glad you're alive, but sad that you had to go through all that

[serene furnace]

Halo 4 and Reach have literally the same gameplay with one sprint difference

[shell mulch]

not really. for starters, you can make your own loadouts where the assault rifle is no longer the only option. Every game gonna be with precision weapons on spawn.

[vapid marten]

Bloom wasn't in Halo 4 either.
Disclaimer: Didn't save the game

[serene furnace]

That's not gameplay, that's a small feature gamemodes could only have if you selected the mode to have it and if you tried to forget Reach had loadouts too

[vapid marten]

for me at least

[serene furnace]

Bloom among other reasons make Reach so unfun to me

[shell mulch]

the loadouts in reach were mostly for armor abilities

[serene furnace]

I don't take "Halo 4 plays like CoD" as an offense because at least CoD games are fun

[smoky wave]

Depends which CoD game tho

[serene furnace]

Play one CoD you played them all

[shell mulch]

I love CoD, but the earlier games were better than the ones releasing now

MW2, MW3 and BO2 were the best, todays CoDs are filled with so many bugs

[serene furnace]

All the ones you mentioned are fileld with bugs too

[shell mulch]

Activision have gone the EA route

[shell mulch]

I didn't notice them then, MW2 2022 is way buggier and ask for your money to buy perks often

I like the gameplay, but I don't like the massive monetization that's going on

[serene furnace]

You could also not notice all the bugs in Halo 2 and pretend it doesn't have them when it does

[shell mulch]

Like, the base game (CoD MW2 2022) already cost so much in my country, about $100, and they keep asking for more of your money

[serene furnace]

Since when have videogame companies cared about that?
$60 per game was already a lot and now they got them up to 70

[shell mulch]

That's excatly what I mean. At least Halo: MCC didn't go that route. $20 for the entire collection when it's on sale and you get everything (expect split-screen), no extra DLC needed, the game keeps being updated, no monetization, like this is the perfect game.

[serene furnace]

It does have splitscreen, on console

[shell mulch]

I know, but I'm on PC, and I'm sad that it isn't there.

[serene furnace]

If you mean PC, well, no game will ever do PC splitscreen anymore

[shell mulch]

Stardew Valley did 4 player split-screen

[serene furnace]

That's why I said not anymore
Stardew Valley didn't come out yesterday

[shell mulch]

The update which brought it was recent, about 1-2 years ago

[serene furnace]

It took them 6 years to make splitscreen for a fairly simple game, now imagine one with a coding as complex as Halo 2

[shell mulch]

Halo: MCC already has the split-screen code intact. It should be that hard to port a feature which is already on console to PC.

[serene furnace]

The thing is that Xbox is built to withstand splitscreen

And even going for the practicality, everybody knows not more than 2% of the world would still play splitscreen today, much less splitscreen on a PC
It's not worth bothering in adding a feature you already know most people won't use

[shell mulch]

Disagree, I see many people who play split-screen even today. Look at how many negative reviews there are on steam because of the lack of split-screen.
I simply want to play with my friends who come visit sometimes without using another PC or Xbox.

[serene furnace]

The numbers don't lie, Microsot has numbers on the people that use splitscreen, and it's a ridiculously small percentage

[shell mulch]

don't look at the percentage, don't expect everyone to play split-screen every day.

[serene furnace]

They're not gonna move a finger because some people are giving negative Steam reviews as your president would move a finger because someone got robbed on your neighborhood

[shell mulch]

and besides, having split-screen would really be helpful for me to test my multiplayer mods

and maps/gamemodes

[serene furnace]

That once again represents less than 5% of the players

[shell mulch]

Not sure why you're not such a fan of split-screen.

[serene furnace]

I also know of functionalities that might help me, but I don't expect them to add them anytime soon, if ever

You tell me what purpose splitscreen serves in the modern world where online play has become the rule

[shell mulch]

First, you don't need to own multiple copies of the same game just to let your friend try to play with you, they don't own the game themselves (or an XBOX/PC) sometimes and want to try the game with you.
Second, it's very fun to play with everyone, it's very easy to setup and cost-effective as you don't need extra machines, just controllers.
And finally, I grew up with split-screen/shared screen multiplayer, it was a lot of fun to play with friends and family on my Xbox 360. On PC, I don't have many options other than emulators to play with them.

[shell mulch]

Dislike it or not, I really hope 343i consider adding split-screen at some point, even if you don't see it happening.

[serene furnace]

Why would you think companies wouldn't want more copies of the same game to be sold?

And no, companies don't care about you enjoyed when you were growing up

[shell mulch]

I get you, that's probably the reason why they don't want to do it.

[serene furnace]

"it's very fun to play with everyone"
You just described online play

After already doing enough of a sacrifice with Game Pass, the least consumers could do would be paying for it each one

[shell mulch]

@serene furnace I don't want to continue this conversation anymore, I don't think I will manage to get to you, you really dislike split-screen and think that every company today is greedy and don't give a thing about it's players. We're talking about video games, you are aware of that. The entire point of it is entertainment. If 343i didn't care at all, they wouldn't bother to keep updating the game and bring some cut content back to life or mod support; After all, they're greedy as you say, like every single company.

[serene furnace]

Well, they don't care

[low musk]

Anyone else looking forward to the second Cyber Showdown event tomorrow?

[crystal iron]

Yes

This sidekick weapon model looks really good

[eternal lion]

Just hoping to have real content and not just a pass...

[low musk]

Yeah, that one looks really nice

[crystal iron]

There will be a new forge map on Wednesday

[eternal lion]

but its not for the Event.

[night mulch]

any news if Rumble pit comes back?

[devout kite]

and the BR

[crystal iron]

It will be released during event so I think that it kinda counts

[crystal iron]

Yeah, it also looks good

[river path]

I just now realized with the way ai is going we may get a real life Cortana

[eternal lion]

well, don't really thinks so. If its not featured in it especially. And it as no link the the theme of the event too

[grim citrus]

Wait… lol people are still using the “halo 4 plays like cod” argument in 2023?

[river path]

Does the halo 4 campaign count?

[full warren]

is servers down?

I can not find a single game in team snipers, team slayer, I don't want to buy I might have to try quick play next

[crystal iron]

Okay then. It isn’t a part of event. Still at least some new content. We got really a lot of it in this season.

[full warren]

not sure what is it headshots with the pistol on mnk is getting harder and harder now. It can't just be me somehow getting worse and worse over time I feel they really reduced the bullet magnetism on mnk

[full warren]

man, literally can not find games other than quick play. this is not even after mid night, I am playing early than normal

[river path]

I just finished halo reach

[misty vale]

If 'cosmetics' are content, then it's content. A player can literally play with a ddr pad and get the challenges done they're so easy.

[noble urchin]

i prefer easy challenges over the old ones like "360 dropshot enemies with an energy sword after doing the stanky leg mid-air"

[misty vale]

Eh they've never been hard to me. Confused as to which one was 'get a 360 with an energy sword'. I believe the hardest I ever got was 'get 3 kills by reflecting 3 projectiles'

Which took me more than a single game of btb.

But 'get three backsmacks' is one cloaking device in btb away. Maybe the 'get 7 backsmacks in lss' from season 2? That one also took more than 1 game.

[left snow]

Yeah. Not sure they should really call them "challenges" any more.

Most of the time I check on the weekend and they've all been done without any effort at all.

They should have tiered system. Where you get more XP and/or rewards for actually taking on a challenge. eg. multi-kill challenge; bronze = any multi-kill. silver = a triple kill. gold = an over-kill.

[cunning oyster]

343 next game should go the Halo 4 route.

Add every gun from the series, put loadouts and call the game Halo unlimited.

[devout kite]

No

[cunning oyster]

Then I suppose you’ll just have to accept Halo is going to be joining the Killzone franchise unless 343 can make a banger that saves us from being shelved. The two decade old system isn’t attractive anymore. Bungie saw it, 343 even sees it.

[ashen vine]

i really want the people who enjoy quitting games when theyre slightly disadvantaged to be punished a little more firmly . please

[misty vale]

Quitters are true incels

[ashen vine]

the same people who say « ehrm its just a game 🤓 »

[cunning oyster]

@ashen vine Simple. Tell 343 to fix the SBMM.

[ashen vine]

sbmm ?

[cunning oyster]

It’s not just a slight disadvantage.

So yes, quit. Ain’t no one going 3-14.

[ashen vine]

i just want people to stay in game

[cunning oyster]

They’re not going to. Not with how the game matches are. You’ve got PC players with aim assist and cheaters going around getting 25-7 kills.

This game is nearly dead. Everyone is bailing ship over to Halo 5 or have just given up completely.

[ashen vine]

? ? ?

[cunning oyster]

Check the queue times. It’s getting worse every day. 40 seconds now for a single BTB match.

[ashen vine]

I'm talking about punishing people who leave he talks to me about halo 5 eh go ahead 💀

[cunning oyster]

Why would they punish people? The current match making is trash.

Worse than Halo 3 at its peak.

If they started banning people for leaving a stacked game, you wouldn’t have a playabase.

Infinite can’t afford to lose anymore players

[languid prism]

Oh boy another day of having to carry

I would really love to just play a normal game where my team is half as competent as i am

[serene furnace]

Depends on how much you think the aforementioned statement is true

[serene furnace]

Quitters deserve nothing more

[languid prism]

Just wished 343 fixed the dog water mm so you don't have to carry bad players. Would be nice if they also made stacks face other stacks the MAJORITY of the time. Super unfair when you can't leave spawn because some wannabe hcs team is camping right outside it with rockets/camo/OS.

heck, even destiny does this. How 343 doesn't grasp the idea of getting stomped by a well coordinated team, is beyond me. Nobody enjoys dying and waiting 22 seconds to play the game because you got killed by a rocket less than 2 seconds after leaving spawn from spawning in again. (which has happened to me MANY times)

[left snow]

You need slider to prioritise tighter teams. It may take longer for players like yourself to find a game - but at least you would have the choice.

And it would probably only be feasible as part of a larger match composer - so you could queue for multiple playlists at once.

[hardy bobcat]

doomguy better

My friend's words not mine

he's too scared

[low musk]

I honestly like the challenges now compared to when the game first came out. Its not that the challenges were 'difficult' per se at launch. Its more that the challenges were left largely up to RNG when it came to how the challenges were tackled. Like having to either 'play' or 'win' a game in a specific gametype that rarely ever showed up, despite being in the right playlist for it, or having to get kills with a weapon on a very specific map that they ever showed up on.

[shell pebble]

I may be a canon/lore snob, but it's extremely disappointing and depressing growing up as a kid with this awesome story telling series of games, and then to be lead to this horrible experience that could've been the start of another golden experience - is just extremely disappointing, no light at the end of the tunnel, no new lore, no new campaigns, nothing that does the fans, the IP, and original creators justice in this franchise. And it breaks my heart.

[brittle prairie]

Honestly my expectations at this point are maxxed out at "we might see halo 5 on PC to complete the collection by the time im 40"

[shell pebble]

It makes me so angry that other games ARE getting the fan service, justice, and story telling that everyone deserves - zelda, doom, resident evil, elder scrolls, even diablo made a comeback

[lusty wraith]

This ain’t a good look just saying

Personally have my own opinions on how Halo has been handled but I’ve stopped letting it make me actually angry.

[shell pebble]

Firing an entire campaign team isn't a good look either, just saying

[lusty wraith]

It is what it is. Could end up being a net positive you never know

[shell pebble]

*and cancelling planned DLC

Even if a new DLC was started next year, it would be another 3 years assuming nothing else goes wrong before we got anything - 2027

and that also assumes that it would be something worthy

and when you answer the AMA question of "Will there be more campaigns for Halo?" with a non-answer - where the answer should be a resounding and easy "yes"

it's so infuriating how such a once reputable franchise has been tarnished

and destroyed, giving no satisfaction to the fans, IP and original creators

[lusty wraith]

Tbf, the MCC exists and it's the best way to play the original campaigns right now

[shell pebble]

I know but I've done that already

lots of times

for something to be on THE Zeta Halo

and all we get is a species reveal with nothing about them

and no planned continuation of the STORY

there was an incredible amount of potential there

it just reminds me a lot of how 4 of Disney's movies this year have cost $1bn in losses

because they were hot dogpiles of [REDACTED] that nobody cared for, and were genuinely bad

or how star wars got 2 additional trilogies - with the last one being the most atrocious, I would rather not have those movies at all.

the same goes for this - I would rather have them have stopped after Halo 3 when bungie left, than continue down this path

if there was no plan to do the series justice and provide fans and the IP the service it deserves

[lusty wraith]

Reality is that entertainment won't always please everyone. Might be a good idea to branch out and find another series you might enjoy. I just think letting yourself get this worked up about it isn't healthy, and this is coming from someone who's definitely felt a decent amount of disappointment from many modern takes on my favorite franchises

[shell pebble]

It wouldn't be a problem if I liked any of the franchises that are getting that service

not a zelda, elder scrolls, cod, destiny 2, doom, battlefield, or diablo fan

[lusty wraith]

There's so much out there, my advice is to really branch out with different genres, indie games, old stuff, there's heaps of good stuff out there

[shell pebble]

I want Halo

this insane ability to create an entire sci-fi universe wrapped around a shooter that also tells a story over multiple games

and doesn't make sacrifices to compensate for an online experience

that sticks to the canon lore and provides an insane amount of detail and consistency

where the focus is on the telling of the story

[languid prism]

Anyone else just have matches where the score just doesn't track at all? just played a btb match where i had like 2550 score when it ended but the screen at the end said 0 and acted like i didn't play the game at all

[empty rapids]

bro i'm on private, how many more ranks are there?

[left snow]

I think there are 15 ranks. And then six tiers of each. Plus the Hero one at the end.

[white birch]

40k exists.

[empty rapids]

some 40k is good, some is not so good

[rugged quartz]

You should read books

[brittle cedar]

hi

[onyx latch]

40K? Consistency? Very poor choice of comparison.

[languid prism]

It's hilarious how 343 thinks i want to play a 220 ping game, then i proceed to leave because half my shots don't land above 120 ping. What do you think happens? i keep rejoining the same game 4 times, like LMFAO you really think i'm going to sit there and play out a game like that

[onyx latch]

Funny, I doubt they think about you at all.

Keep anthropomorphizing emotions onto a networking algorithm, though, I'm sure it appreciates it.

[crystal iron]

🤣

[inland lance]

say what you want about the rest of halo infinite's campaign, but the intro to it is AMAZING

[analog salmon]

if you're in Europe or NA make sure to turn on local matchmaking and just play when people in ur region are on

[languid prism]

Idk man if you had to deal with high ping i'm sure you'd do the same (and have done, if you say you don't your clearly lying. everyone's gotten mad over lag at some point if they've played ANY online game)

but go off dude ig 🤷‍♀️

[languid prism]

Thanks for a real suggestion, i'll give it a try. MM might be dead atm as most american players are asleep

[inland lance]

the gbraakon mission is great

[low musk]

3.5 hours till shop refresh. C'mon Papaya coating

[solemn needle]

Yeah, the servers are horrendous. I would always get spikes in my ping from like 50-200. Unstable packet loss is super annoying.

[solemn needle]

It's awful and the fact that we don't have a server filter makes it worse

[umbral kettle]

but as a complete halo lore noob i have a couple questions

how does the infinity get taken down so quickly by 4 dreadnoughts

how does atriox seemingly defeat master chief without a bit of difficulty

and how does ALL of the spartan 4s and ODSTs get killed by brutes with hammers

[left snow]

Anyone with an interest in the Halo armoury can help with a question? How much would the bullets for the Warthog machine gun cost? In todays prices for a similar military bullet? Just wondering as a mate just shot just over 4.5 thousand of them in a single game.

[onyx latch]

It got ambushed by an entire fleet, not just four dreadnoughts.

[umbral kettle]

how big was the fleet

[onyx latch]

Basically an entire flotilla that could've feasibly threatened Reach back in its heyday, presumably. The Infinity was never invulnerable, at any rate, and likely would've lost against a single high end Covvie supercarrier.

[umbral kettle]

okay yeah the CSO thing i get

[onyx latch]

It nearly got deep sixed by the Covenant equivelant of a coastal defense gun.

[umbral kettle]

but also like… didn’t the infinity also have a fleet?

[onyx latch]

Chief's by all accounts, a mildly above average Spartan with a hell of a rap sheet. Atriox would've bodied just about any Spartan thrown at him in melee.

[umbral kettle]

and where did the shields that could take the hit of an entire cruiser to

[onyx latch]

Of small frigates. It was running lean.

[onyx latch]

Drained by the constant fights.

[umbral kettle]

huh

[onyx latch]

You basically only see the tail end of the Banished fighting the Infinity.

[umbral kettle]

well, wouldnt there be marines and odsts nearby that could help out

[onyx latch]

Many Spartans and ODSTs are still around as of Chief's runabout on Zeta; At least four are known to survive and three are MIA with no death confirmation.

[onyx latch]

Infinity was under full evac and Chief was facilitating that evac.

[umbral kettle]

oh ok

[umbral kettle]

okay then who’s like a really good spartan

like samuel 034?

[onyx latch]

Most of the Spartans I'd imagine could take Atriox on in melee and not just survive, but win handily, are Jorge, Samuel, and Kurt.

Mostly because they're all monsters in terms of size by Spartan standards.

[umbral kettle]

what about jerome

he killed like 20 brutes in cqc

[onyx latch]

Jerome was part of the squad that got bodied by Atriox.

[umbral kettle]

yeah but like….. wasn’t that cutscene bs

they literally ran in and tried to punch him instead of shooting his exposed head

[onyx latch]

Most of the things you see in Halo are cutscene BS.

But the fact the fight went the way it did is just how it be.

[umbral kettle]

wait wait wait

so jerome along with the rest of red team was bodied by atriox

[onyx latch]

Basically. They were routed, which in that context generally means bodied.

[umbral kettle]

and then like a couple days later destroyed 20 brutes in cqc by himself without breaking a sweat

which scene is bs

or is atriox just like a god among brutes

[onyx latch]

Well, he wasn't trying to punch them, they were likely not exceptionally well armed, and they were both an expected opponent and funneling a choke point.

Assaulting a Spartan who is aware, focusing a choke point, actively defending a position, and is using his guns is different than engaging one in a barroom brawl.

[umbral kettle]

is a gravity hammer not well armed?

[onyx latch]

Though they're both a bit sus, in the end. I'd trend toward Atriox's primacy being the worse offender of the two.

[umbral kettle]

how powerful is the chain breaker compared to something like the fist of rukt then?

[onyx latch]

Against a guy with a gun shooting at you when you can't get to him? Yeah, it's not exactly optimal.

[umbral kettle]

ah

[onyx latch]

If you're currently clubbing his face in with it? Yeah, that's about optimal range and thus well armed.

[umbral kettle]

Okay so normally is a spartan stronger than a brute chieftain ultra

like a spartan 4

[onyx latch]

About on par, in line with typical depictions.

There's also no hard rule saying a Chieftain literally has to be tougher because it's a certain rank.

[umbral kettle]

How would someone, say, Locke compare to a normal spartan 2

[onyx latch]

Well, in melee, Locke actually had a pretty damn good showing against Chief even if he ultimately lost.

So he can certainly keep up, at least.

[umbral kettle]

is blue team on zeta?

[onyx latch]

We don't know.

[umbral kettle]

ah ok

there’s a lot we don’t know huh?

[onyx latch]

Yyyyyep.

[umbral kettle]

how powerful is the chainbreaker compared to something like a normal hammer

[onyx latch]

Well, we know it's better than anything mass-produced like the standard hammer.

[umbral kettle]

it seems lighter and more versatile

[onyx latch]

Ultimately, it's symbolically extremely important to the Banished, and its compact nature suits Atriox in particular with how he fights.

But we don't know much of its actual capabilities beyond the visually apparent.

[umbral kettle]

Sooo, in theory if Atriox was defeated by mc and his chainbreaker was taken it would be like a huge morale drop?

[onyx latch]

It'd most likely galvanize and enrage them.

[umbral kettle]

ah…

I feel like chainbreaker would be a really fun weapon in multiplayer

[onyx latch]

Historically, attempting to steal the symbols of other orgs has raised hostilities and resolve.

[umbral kettle]

but there’s only one so i don’t really know how it would work

do the red blades serve any purpose besides looks?

[onyx latch]

Eh. A lot of Halo 5's REQ weapons were one-off.

[umbral kettle]

can they act as mini knives to cut up soldiers?

[onyx latch]

The bloodblades that Jega used?

[umbral kettle]

the ones on the chainbreaker

It would be really really cool if it could shoot like red lightning like Tartarus did

[onyx latch]

Ah. They're able to cut and burn like a normal energy sword, so it's a mix of damage when not utilizing the gravity and and symbolism.

The symbolism being, the swords were the chains that Atriox broke when he formed the Banished.

[umbral kettle]

Yeah, I heard they were from his executioner’s sword

what’s his name?

Itho something

i think

oh yeah Itho Hesikee

[umbral kettle]

Uh speaking of the bloodblades why were they red?

is that like a design thing for intimidation or something because if it’s a more powerful energy sword why not mass produce it and make it standard

[onyx latch]

seems kind of like a badge of office or position.

It's honestly unclear beyond 'special forces Sangheili units used them'

[umbral kettle]

is it the same one that itho used?

[onyx latch]

Not literally.

[umbral kettle]

oh

[onyx latch]

But yeah bloodblades are seemingly like evocati's edge; Used by Elites of a singular station.

Evocati's edge being a white sword coloration, and used by elite ultras.

[umbral kettle]

How powerful is an elite ultra compared to a brute chieftain ultra?

are they around the same rank

[onyx latch]

Depends on the Ultra, depends on the Brute.

[umbral kettle]

like both completely average

well, in other words are sangheili stronger than brutes in combat

[onyx latch]

More skilled on average and more agile on average.

But usually weaker physically, not by a lot though.

[humble widget]

Been a while since I took a break from Infinite but I played last week and couldn't stop. It feels like this season is putting in the works

[umbral kettle]

is an energy sword stronger than a gravity hammer

generally speaking

[onyx latch]

No.

It's vastly more situational. A hammer emits a field, but a sword physically needs to touch its target to deal damage.

[humble widget]

Energy sword is definitely starting on a weaker state for definite. You'd need to close the distance and hit a vital area whereas a gravity hammer emits a kinetic blast a few feet forward from your standing position, depending on how close you are realistically you'd be thrown off your feet or turned to mush

[umbral kettle]

so why don’t elites use gravity hammers

[onyx latch]

Personal preference.

Well

[umbral kettle]

Is it because it suits their agile and flexible fighting style

[onyx latch]

Cultural preference actually.

[humble widget]

I'd argue traditionalist values too. The energy sword is custom made for sangheilli warriors and matches their dexterous fighting styles.

[onyx latch]

A hammer is, basically, the anthesis of Sangheili traditional marshal values

[umbral kettle]

why?

[onyx latch]

It's the same reason they don't tend to like needlers or human/brute weapons. It's too barbaric, or too easy.

[umbral kettle]

ohhh

like honor?

[onyx latch]

Yep.

[humble widget]

Sangheilli culture borrows a lot from Bushido era Japan. The sword is considered an honorable fighting tool as well and it'd be considered a disgrace using a more brutalist weapon. The idea of an honorable fight is why the sword is preferential as its a personal honor thing too.

[onyx latch]

That reminds me, I still really want a kanabo reskin of the gravity hammer to go with Yoroi.

[umbral kettle]

If sangheili are honorable and don’t use easy weapons could they in theory easily overpower a brute with a hammer

if they abandoned honor

[onyx latch]

Easily? Eh.

I doubt it'd be cut and dry enough to give a definitive answer. Them being similar in some ways is kind of the point.

Hell, even Brutes do actually have a warped, tribal sense of honor.

[umbral kettle]

oh ok

[humble widget]

'Dishonourable' sangheilli are a terrifying force in nature as they're not bound by their cultural social structures yeah, but to overpower a brute requires more than that. Brutes love a good fight at any cost though so they'd welcome that attitude

[umbral kettle]

also i have a question

how strong are hunters compared to other covenant client species

like could they just rag doll all of them

[onyx latch]

An absolute damn nightmare in melee comparatively.

[humble widget]

Hunter pairs are considered some of the biggest threats to go up against

They're walking tanks

[onyx latch]

A hunter can rip a Spartan in half in melee with almost contemptuous ease.

[umbral kettle]

damn…

[humble widget]

A hunter is a challenge for even an experienced spartan and in a pure brawl the hunter will win.

[umbral kettle]

How strong would a hunter pair be against atriox

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Would have a good chance in melee. Certainly better than literally any Spartan.

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atriox or the hunters

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Atriox could take a single hunter on even grounds I'd say.

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really?

Couldn’t a hunter just like rip him in half

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He'd really be leaning on chainbreaker.

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He's an exception for Brute standards though so that's why he has a better chance. He's a tactician first

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they’re like 20 feet tall arent they?

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oh

that’s still 50 percent taller than atriox

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The hunters.

Like, all this to say-Spartans, of any rate, are the farthest things from pushovers. IVs have outright ripped out a brute's intestines in melee before.

Atriox is quite literally built different.

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He's basically Brute Sampson.

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damn spartan fours are relentless

also apparently hunters are 10,000 POUNDS

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That was after she manhandled Jega and got rammed by a ghost, btw.

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Yeah this is why a spartan beating a hunter in hand to hand is considered a feat, as the odds are stacked so high against the spartan in general

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jesus christ that’s like 7 times atriox’s weight

also aren’t there different types of hunters

like captains and ironclads and goliaths

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I'd argue that gravity hammers are an effective tool against a hunter, as their kinetic blast is essentially a disruption wave.

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how would… atriox do against a hunter goliath

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Would cause the lekgolo to become displaced

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I heard after Microsoft and Bungie split up , they where planing to give halo to gearbox but Bonnie Ross came along and made 343 ind , what do you think a halo made by gearbox would look like ?

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A lot more cell shaded presumably

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343 was a company helping Halo before Halo 3 launched.

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also apparently there’s a species called the sharquoi that are even stronger than hunters

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Gearbox had already ported two Halo games by the end of the 00's; They generally did a bad job.

Not awful, but on the bad side of meh.

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Yeah they were supposed to show up in either CE or Halo 2.

Hunters just worked out better

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So I'd wager they'd have done a pretty mediocre job, but had a much smoother start due to being established as a company and team.

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they kinda look like knuckles from sonic

with their spiky fists

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Well but maybe it would have been a good game

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They already are good games.

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do you think they would have made games better than halo 4 and 5

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Okay yeah now I've double checked, sharqoi were supposed to be in CE but it appears the hunters were just better options at the time.

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they would’ve been so cool

but you couldn’t really fight them i guess

they uh

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Considering I hate Gearbox, no.

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they can survive missles to the chest continuous arms fire and can rip a spartan in mark V mjolnjr in half with relative ease

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do you think halo 4 and 5 were good games?

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Yes.

I probably wouldn't be half as invested in Halo as I am now if it weren't for 5, and I started with CE.

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I think Halo 5 suffered the worst narratively, which had knock on effects on Infinites narrative.

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damn

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Oh boy. This conversation. Again.

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not a lot of people like halo 5 but i like it

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I thought Halo 5 campaign was lacking but the multiplayer was so much fun

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yeah

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Halo 4 as a narrative was solid, but I think how Ur didactwas handled in post game content was a miss 🤷

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the campaign gameplay was actually decent tho just the story was a bit strange

and i loved how they rebalanced the forerunner weapons

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Yeah to be clear it was the story that was lacking not the game play

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It left a gap in a big bad for H5 and I think Cortana going bad was just a direction I wasn't happy with is all lmao

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Kinda the same boat - If it wasn't was Halo 4, I probably wouldn't have a career
Helped kick start my jump into being a full time developer
Also stared out playing CE - back when I was just starting College

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I started with 2 and then left for a bit and then restated at reach

reach’s ending really shows how helpless the UNSC was to the covenant

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Yeah I remember the rage about Reaches narrative at the time, because it conflicted with FoR, which bungie had to establish that game canon > book narrative

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dual wielding was so fun

and elites too