halo-discussion

[serene furnace]

He did it first by saying "I've played enough Bungie halo to know"

[dull cave]

Youve played every Halo game and think Halo 5 is the best of all.

[dull cave]

I get the general idea of what Bungie halo is like. I've played every one except CE

[onyx latch]

Honestly, that would make his opinion have more weight than if you missed out on a game.

[serene furnace]

It does have the best gameplay

[grim citrus]

Correct. You play campaigns multiple times and have no idea what’s happening in the game

[dull cave]

It has good gameplay but definitely not what youd expect given it's a halo game

[serene furnace]

So it is true, I've been playing longer than you

[dull cave]

I'm sorry a majority of fans think like me including the makers of Halo 5.

[grim citrus]

Ad populum #2

[exotic vigil]

I thought he was a contrarian?

[onyx latch]

We already had this damn conversation

[grim citrus]

😂😂😂

[dull cave]

I've expressed my opinions. This is not ad populum. You cannot learn to respect an opinion

[serene furnace]

I didn't expect dual wielding back in the Halo CE days, I didn't expect sprint before Reach, I didn't expect equipments before Halo 3. Do you get it now? Gameplay is allowed to evolve, Combat Evolved

[onyx latch]

It is literally ad populum to say this.

[grim citrus]

Why am I going to respect an opinion that’s rooted in baseless claims?

[onyx latch]

Like, you can have your own opinion

That's fine

[dull cave]

Then why do you keep calling it ad populum?

That proves you think anything but that

[onyx latch]

Because saying you have it because a majority has it is the thing that makes it a fallacy.

[serene furnace]

Well, it is indeed an ad populum

[dull cave]

Why should I even argue with you anymore

[grim citrus]

You are still convinced that the game tells you nothing about fireteam Osiris

[onyx latch]

Because he's based

[dull cave]

For having any opinion besides your own?

[grim citrus]

And the warden eternal

[dull cave]

Barely anything. You don't learn enough about them

[serene furnace]

When you claim you're just expressing an opinion, but your opinion comes with "that's what I and all these other people think", that's when you're doing the fallacy

[onyx latch]

My brother under the rings it has been explained to you ad nauseam.

Villager just explained it to you perfectly again.

[grim citrus]

My brother in Cortana, you cannot say that if you haven’t played the campaign. Watching the cutscenes on YouTube doesn’t count

[dull cave]

Because a majority of fans think the same way I do. Even 343 came to clean up their mess after the backlash. That's not ad populum for knowing what's wrong

[onyx latch]

The first part of that is literally what makes it ad populum.

[serene furnace]

The majority of the world is religious, none of them have proved God is real

[dull cave]

Bruh thinks Cortana is god

I've played it enough times to argue with you, and you've said enough dumb things so far.

[onyx latch]

It's clearly a joke, dude.

Good lord.

[exotic vigil]

The majority of the world are against the axis in ww2 does that make them good suddenly?

[grim citrus]

This is his villain arc, let him cook

[dull cave]

I know holy crap

[exotic vigil]

Being in the minority doesnt make you right

[onyx latch]

Carp

[serene furnace]

The majority of the world at one point in history didn't see anything wrong with slavery

[dull cave]

That is not ad populum for having a popular opinion. Am I ad populum for thinking the world is round?

[exotic vigil]

And now the majority thinks slavery is evil

[grim citrus]

I don’t think bro knows what an ad populum is

[crystal iron]

You just share the same opinion. It’s not knowing what’s wrong because it’s very subjective thing

[serene furnace]

It doesn't matter what the majority or minority think if their ideals are subject to change

[onyx latch]

The literal definition of ad populum is "The argument supports a position by appealing to the shared opinion of a large group of people, e.g. the majority, the general public, etc".

[dull cave]

My opinion is considered ad populum for having a popular opinion

[onyx latch]

Yes.

That is literally how Ad populum works as a fallacy.

[exotic vigil]

And the ideals of what makes a good game are subject to change

[serene furnace]

Yes

[crystal iron]

Because you keep saying that majority of halo fanbase think the same

[exotic vigil]

So none of this really matters

[dull cave]

And I've explained my opinions, and many people have expressed them enough for 343 to step in and change up with infinite

[onyx latch]

See, you keep saying literally exactly what our problem is.

[exotic vigil]

So could the furry and the tarantino larper just drop it

[onyx latch]

But it doesn't seem to click.

[exotic vigil]

Its annoying watching you constantly argue with someone who clearly doesnt want to be convinced

[dull cave]

Because you can't get enough with calling me labels

Just shut up

[onyx latch]

I thought destroying the brain kept zombies down?

[serene furnace]

I thought you already had clear how poor of an argument that is when it was also many people's expressions that demoted the Arbiter's importance for Halo 3

[grim citrus]

Lol

[crystal iron]

Hey hey hey, no need for words like that

[onyx latch]

I literally have not labelled you.

And if I did, it was long enough ago and irrelevant enough that it was likely a joke.

[crystal iron]

What?

[onyx latch]

Rookie headshot joke.

[dull cave]

Are you saying every Halo should have an arbiter pov?

[crystal iron]

Oh

[serene furnace]

No, but Halo 3 absolutely

[dull cave]

Why?

[grim citrus]

Big green man need spotlight

Or else halo game is bad

[serene furnace]

It just so happens that I want to know the pov of the protagonist of the prior game in this new entry

[onyx latch]

Honestly Miranda Keyes needs her own game

[dull cave]

Why do you keep insisting that the master chief shouldn't be the main of Halo

[grim citrus]

I’m sorry.. did I say that?

[onyx latch]

It's more about him not needing to be at this point for most people who don't like it, but now you're putting words in his mouth.

[dull cave]

You keep getting annoyed that master chief gets the attention

[serene furnace]

The Mario franchise is called like that because Mario is the central point of their stories, but the franchise Master Chief is a part of isn't called "Master Chief"

[crystal iron]

Especially when his story arc is coming to conclusion in new entry

[grim citrus]

I’m annoyed when people say Halo game is bad because master chief is in 3 missions

[dull cave]

And we saw how terribly it worked out with Halo 5.

[onyx latch]

But Halo game good when Chief has cameo or noshow.

[dull cave]

It's 130 I'm gonna sleep

[onyx latch]

4:22 am

[grim citrus]

Master chief CE

[onyx latch]

[crystal iron]

10:23am

[serene furnace]

Irrelevant when there's other 2 games and 20 books without the Master Chief, some bad, some good

[grim citrus]

Master Chief 2

[crystal iron]

Master chief 3

[grim citrus]

Master Chief 3

Master Chief: ODST

[onyx latch]

I was honestly more involved with the plot of Spartan Ops than Halo Reach.

I think it's got something to do with mission structure.

[serene furnace]

I agree with a YouTube comment I once read that said Master Chief didn't even need to be in the Halo TV show

[onyx latch]

That comment was deeply based.

[grim citrus]

Master Chief: Reach. Everyone in Noble Team is Chief and they’re trying to deliver cortana to the pillar autumn because Chief is in Cryosleep. 10/10

[onyx latch]

Master Chief Ops.

Master Chief Strike.

Master Chief; Shadows of Reach.

[grim citrus]

AC12 would love those games

And books

Why is it that halo 5 told more about Master Chief than all the bungie games?

[serene furnace]

The Halo franchise encompasses thousands of years of stories, Master Chief can't be in all of them, and I appreciate to see other sides of this universe in the exact same way I appreciate when Star Wars can be something else than whatever the Skywalkers are up to

[onyx latch]

I still maintain that the scene where Chief directly interrogates Cortana over Meridian is slept on.

Or the part where Chief just shuts her down by saying the Mantle is an Imperial peace.

[grim citrus]

That’s what I’m saying. Halo is so rich and huge to just stick to one guys perspective

[grim citrus]

There was so much weight when she called her out on her hypocrisy

[crystal iron]

And that’s why we need ODST 2. More jazz music, please

[onyx latch]

Or the fact you can kinda hear the wounded pride in Chief's voice when Fred asks him about the Spartan IVs right after his visor got cracked.

[grim citrus]

I think that’s the first time you ever hear him talk about his childhood

Took them 15 years

Shout out to bungie’s character development

[onyx latch]

I still find it frustrating how Cortana trying to make a world where people trying to make things like Chief wouldn't be necessary seems to have just kind of flown over people's heads entirely.

Or the maternal Halseyisms that Cortana spouts at Osiris at the end.

[grim citrus]

Did you noticed that cortana and Halsey names swap in the comms during in game dialogue

[onyx latch]

Wait what

[grim citrus]

Yeah

[onyx latch]

No, I did not

That explains so much

[grim citrus]

I think 4 and/or 5 did that

[onyx latch]

I know 5's end has a lot of dialogue where Cortana says things with the same cadence and tone as Halsey.

[grim citrus]

So when people say “why is she evil all of a sudden”

It’s literally in the game

[onyx latch]

It was literally always hinted at and her character always had potential to do it.

[grim citrus]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t she the only AI to be from living tissue?

[onyx latch]

Well, the only one until the weapon came around, I think.

[grim citrus]

Cortana been corrupted since high charity, but nobody seems to remember

[onyx latch]

I actually don't know if Weapon was made from a living or dead sample.

[grim citrus]

She was an exact copy

[onyx latch]

Well, they automatically assume it was Logic plague.

[grim citrus]

I can see why

She recites gravemind quotes in 3

“I am a monument of all your sins”

[onyx latch]

That actually got explained

That's not really Cortana doing it per say

[grim citrus]

It did?

[onyx latch]

It's the Gravemind literally using her as a puppet, not Cortana's actual self.

[grim citrus]

I did not know that

[onyx latch]

It's basically a fake puppeted through the real thing.

[serene furnace]

The debate on Halsey's actions about kidnapping children to make supersoldiers, sacrificing some in the exchange of giving humanity a chance to stand up against the Covenant is one of the best moral dilemas of the franchise and the best part about the Halo 4 prologue. Remember Cortana takes a lot from Halsey's personality

[onyx latch]

If that makes any sense.

[onyx latch]

That's pretty much precisely why I liked Pax Cortana.

[grim citrus]

Which is funny because Spartans were made to go after insurrectionists

[onyx latch]

It was the ultimate realization of Halsey's savior complex with a healthy dose of ends justifying means.

[grim citrus]

Cortana is basically Halsey with limitless knowledge and power

[serene furnace]

Mix that with Gravemind's corruption and you got a big threat

[grim citrus]

If Halsey stumbled upon the domain, she would’ve done the same thing

[onyx latch]

I don't think she would have, tbh. Not the same way.

That's why I say I think the fragment kind of ruins it

Halsey has grown as a person from her Spartan program days, and Cortana has grown as a person in the same way.

[grim citrus]

You don’t think she would’ve claim the mantle of responsibility?

[onyx latch]

I think she wouldn't trust herself to do it as readily as Cortana did, or as zealously.

Halsey got a lot of humility shoved on her lap post war.

Cortana had years to stew and eons to digest.

[grim citrus]

I believe they explained why cortana shift in personality is so different in dominion splinter

[serene furnace]

There's a small detail that I like, and it's that every human in the Halo universe sees the Librarian subconsciously at one point of their lives, but everyone sees her differently, they all see her in what they think a perfect woman look like.
When the Chief sees her in Halo 4 the Librarian looks like and older woman, a mother, he sees Halsey
When Halsey sees her in Spartan Ops, the Librarian looks younger, Halsey sees herself in her prime days

[grim citrus]

Not to mention her personality got affected when she was downloading herself to the mantle approach in 4

[onyx latch]

That's part of what I mean tbh

[grim citrus]

Oh

[onyx latch]

Like, they're different people to different extremes based off the same template, one's just more stable and grounded.

Cortana's basically had war and death and strife shoved down her throat from day one by comparison.

[grim citrus]

Yeah

[onyx latch]

To me, it's hardly a surprise that once she gets the chance, she'd want to force it to stop.

Plus, she was made after Halsey made the IIs, which explains a lot of her secondhand guilt.

[grim citrus]

Installation00 has a great video on cortana

And has a theory on her still having good intentions despite her actions

[serene furnace]

The amazing difference
-In Halo 3, Master Chief wants to save Cortana because she's an important asset vital to win the war and stop the Flood
-In Halo 4, Master Chief wants to save Cortana because he cares about her and is not ready to lose her

[onyx latch]

I don't usually watch Halotubers. I've heard of those vids though.

[grim citrus]

I’ll send a link

[onyx latch]

I came to the conclusion on my own, regardless.

I mean, Cortana literally expresses that her end intentions are benevolent

[grim citrus]

https://youtu.be/lebkiiIi84Q

Only 5 minutes

[near depot]

this is understandable, considering that during the time while Chief was sleeping, Cortana managed to undress

[sharp tendon]

Yea when its do the same thing too

[hollow bobcat]

Playing escalation got me thinking. Which Halo do you think had the fastest time to kill for regular modes?

[analog salmon]

CE and Infinite probs

Infinite less so in practice but its pretty wild how fast you can melt someone using sidekick if you get lucky with the RNG

[stone star]

Halo's ttk is very contextual as some games are technically faster despite their averages being lower

I think someone pointed out when Infinite released that Halo 3's AR has a faster ttk but lower accuracy making it kill slower outside of closer quaters

[analog salmon]

the AR+Melee combo in Halo 3 was something else

[tepid latch]

Halo Infinite's AR is by far the best feeling AR

[wanton root]

the only good ar

[analog salmon]

Infinite plays so well with AR and Bandit starts for me

like just that balance between casual but allowing a decent degree of skill expression

i dont really understand why it isnt in Team Slayer

[sleek hatch]

CE pistol for sure

[fallen flame]

The best feeling AR is from halo CE

[indigo ravine]

Wait in order for halo to come to PlayStation does Microsoft have a make a deal or something?

Like is it possible

[signal ivy]

it's possible, but highly unikely

[wanton root]

unless ms brings gamepass onto ps, don't see any reason to port it over to ps

[lusty wraith]

🥲

Really just wish it didn’t have a headshot multiplier

[ruby knoll]

i mean a lot more than just that

[indigo ravine]

I should’ve known

There probably would have been a hudge argument if that ever happened

lol

[ruby knoll]

tbh i meant more on the technical side

ps runs a completely different operating system

[indigo ravine]

Yep

[crystal iron]

I think that halo could benefit a lot from being on PlayStation

[coarse dagger]

I think it would be awesome, as long it was cross play enabled - nice big population boost :)

[crystal iron]

Yeah

[indigo ravine]

The reason I asked that question was because I was hoping halo and call of duty would have a bond together

Since there both popular

[analog salmon]

i feel like microsoft and sony would need some deal on free to play games in general

Like if marathon gets treated equally on Playstation and Xbox, Halo will get the same

and more likely Warzone not getting a ton of Xbox exclusive stuff although maybe that was covered in the deal they just did

Basically I could see Halo being part of a larger agreement but that's about it

[ruby knoll]

oh for sure. if there was an easy way to make it happen that'd be cool

[analog salmon]

fingers crossed Microsoft go to the CMA with an offer to cross plat a bunch of XGS and Activision games for cloud or otherwise lol

pretty unlikely but ya never know

[limpid lance]

Speaking of issues regarding exclusivity vs multi-plat, Microsoft made a deal with Sony as part of the Microsoft acquisition of Activision-Blizzard that CoD would be available on PlayStation for 10 years, wonder just that’ll mean though

[magic night]

It means CoD will be on Playstation for 10 years

[limpid lance]

Though we’ve got to wonder what the details are, will PlayStation get it upon release or months later, will they get additional updates that Xbox gets, etc

Lots of little things like that should get figured out

[crystal iron]

It was already discussed and we know most of details lol. Games will be released on every platform on the same day and there won’t be any exclusive content

[limpid lance]

Microsoft better than stick to that, cause if they pull some shenanigans, oof haha

[magic night]

They made legally binding agreements. Any shenanigans would land them in court.

[crystal iron]

Well, they can’t really try doing any shenanigans because they signed these agreements. Any attempt to break these terms would only bring them a lot of trouble

[signal ivy]

lol

[limpid lance]

Halo can now have fun with his adopted brother CoD

[indigo ravine]

Do you guys think halo should be bonded with call of duty since they both make a lot of money?

[thin elm]

Halo type operator in the next cod sure

Could be a unsc marine, not chief per se

[indigo ravine]

Oh

[crystal iron]

Some skins here and there would be cool

[indigo ravine]

Mhm

[crystal iron]

?

[limpid lance]

Would you like to see any of the CoD studios make a Halo spin-off?

[ruby knoll]

sure

[crystal iron]

Of course

[wanton root]

maybe, but then like some of the issues with current cod games might carry over

50/50, but wouldn't hurt

[analog salmon]

Ill take an ODST game by whoever ngl

different ways you could approach such a game

as long as its solid i wouldnt be picky

bungie said themselves they would have changed more if they had the time

the head bumping when you crouch walk is somewhst of a hint towards the direction they wanted to go

[ruby knoll]

I want an odst game that makes me not feel like a reskinned spartan

[limpid lance]

Imagine a full game playing as an Elite 😯

[onyx latch]

Tbf, they originally planned to go harder into making the player weaker and such in that game

But it turns out, neutering a large part of Halo 3's gameplay without giving it much in return makes it even less fun. Who knew.

[shy fulcrum]

Fr the thing that's different about odst that is the hardest for me to get used to is the grenade throwing arc

I always miss my throws and sometimes I like, accidentally bounce a sticky off the ceiling or smth

[onyx latch]

It was originally supposed to reduce melee damage to zero against brutes.

[limpid lance]

ODST is a really interesting installment, as the project was originally meant to be made by Peter Jackson's studio Wingnut Interactive, Halo Chronicles with Joe Staten being heavily involved in the story, and would've had us playing as a Marine who gets some piece of Forerunner tech attached to him and he's transformed into a Forerunner fighter named a Promethean
After the project fell apart, Joe Staten took bits of that game and reworked it to where we'd play as an ODST

[sinful agate]

That original concept sounds awesome

[onyx latch]

That kinda reads like bad fanfic, but I've heard worse.

[south badge]

this guy gets it

[limpid lance]

Not in terms of feeling, but aesthetically, AR rank for me is MA5C (Halo 3 & ODST) > MA5B (Halo: CE) > MA5D (Halo 4 & 5) > MA37/MA40 (Halo: Reach & Infinite)

[serene furnace]

The Halo 4 assault rifle is so awesome

And the machine gun sound it has, beautiful

[south badge]

Always felt like the AR should riff the sound of the Aliens Pulse Rifle

always made sense

[limpid lance]

Speaking of cancelled games, Ensemble had begun development on another Halo game, codenamed Titan
This game would've been an MMO and likely would've involved time travel, as the game would feature UNSC, Covenant, Forerunner (back then they were still Human), and many new species including one actually named Demon that would look like evil little elf people
The aesthetic for this game would've been debated to say the least
Here's some concept art for some of the ideas they had for this game https://gamerheadquarters.com/articles/halo-titan-concept-art.html

[tame crane]

Uh is anyone aware if you buy the Dragonborn bundle in the infinite shop it doesnt give you the Lacquered Heartwood Chest piece and will not allow you to buy the Kawari bundle to get the chest piece if Dragonborn was purchased

[crystal iron]

Let’s not forget about the most important of cancelled games, halo mega bloks game

[empty rapids]

the matchmaker really overestimates my carrying potential lol

[serene furnace]

I wanted to play the Mega Blocks Halo game not gonna lie lol

[crystal iron]

Me too lol

[thin elm]

Same I’d fr pay double for that

[signal ivy]

yes 343 is aware

[tame crane]

Is it being fixed?

[signal ivy]

I would imagine so

[sinful agate]

This probably isn't what you were talking about at all but a dark souls-type game of a Marine/ODST stuck on a covenant world or something could be cool

[thin elm]

roll spamming as a marine I’m down

[empty rapids]

odsts are basically micro spartans lol

just without any of the raw strength and speed

[thin elm]

Or shields

[empty rapids]

nah odsts get shields iirc

otherwise you'd instantly die against a single needler shot or plasma pistol shot lol

[ruby knoll]

answer unclear

[lusty wraith]

Hmm, weekly ultimate is Highlit Steel for Yoroi…

If we earned the MkVII one, will we get the Yoroi one when coatings become a “single item” ~next season?

[exotic vigil]

Theyre actually doing cross core colors?

[lusty wraith]

This season all new paid coatings are “cross core” in the sense that there will be a version for each

[tame crane]

If you see anywhere that it gets fixed can you ping or dm me so im aware?

[lusty wraith]

New free coatings are also “cross-core” but they won’t be earned all at once

[exotic vigil]

Free coatings?

[lusty wraith]

Yes like event and weekly reward coatings

[exotic vigil]

Oh right

[lusty wraith]

Or free BP coatings

Next season or so, the new coatings will become ‘one item’ and will be applicable to all cores

But no timeline on old coatings

[exotic vigil]

Progress ig

[lusty wraith]

Progress

[eternal lion]

so in what way is these 2 weeks are "event" ?

[lusty wraith]

Event pass

You can earn 10 items or so from it

[eternal lion]

so juste giving free stuff ? not really an event

[signal ivy]

you have to earn them

[lusty wraith]

It’s been the convention for Infinite’s events, wouldn’t expect any different 🤷‍♂️

[ruby knoll]

it used to be tied to a specific playlist but people didn't like that

[eternal lion]

the other had cinematics, playlist or posts on Waypoint

[lusty wraith]

*tying the challenges to the event playlist

But yes

[eternal lion]

some had maps changed too

[ruby knoll]

thats what i meant yeah

[lusty wraith]

Yea you’re right they varied sometimes

[signal ivy]

not all events had cinematics

[lusty wraith]

Typically fractures has been like this though

[eternal lion]

or

[eternal lion]

no they had blog posts (not Tenrai I yes)

[signal ivy]

tenrai 2 has a post on waypoint

https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/tenrai-ii-event-launch

[eternal lion]

with nothing in it

[signal ivy]

what do you mean nothing in it? lol

[eternal lion]

no story content, its just a explanatory post

[lusty wraith]

He means some kind of lore post

Core of events has been this way, maybe this one will have some lore post or something who knows

[eternal lion]

https://web.archive.org/web/20211123201915/https://www.halowaypoint.com/news/fracture-tenrai-event-launch
There is lore in it

[signal ivy]

tenrai 3 will have lore

it will have the story shard

[eternal lion]

good, that's real content at least

[onyx latch]

You do not recall correctly.

ODSTs simply have better body armor than your standard marine with a thermal bodyglove and more, stronger plates.

Also, needlers and plasma pistols don't always oneshot.

They used to in the very early books but they've gotten toned down over the years because that was frankly ridiculous.

It's still way worse than getting shot, which is already really bad, but plasma pistol bolts to the breastplate tends to cause the breastplate to just do its job.

[ruby knoll]

consider H3 ODST gameplay separate from canon for lore purposes tbh

(or gameplay in halo in general. No way a marine tanks a wraith shot (halo wars moment))

[eternal lion]

XP from challenge are not double anymore ...

[white birch]

Same with the overall power of Covenant vessels too. It might just have been how I read the Nylund books but basically even a glancing blow from Covenant ships melted through Titanium-A like it was nothing.

Now it takes a few more so its more of a brawl than a stomp.

[smoky wave]

Literally in the blog

[signal ivy]

no Panda, there is absolutely NOTHING in there

it's blank

[eternal lion]

its not blank. There is just basic information

[eternal lion]

yeah for Tenrai III, not II...

[crystal marlin]

Did they remove squad battle this week?

[eternal lion]

yes

[crystal marlin]

Noooo

[signal ivy]

nope

it's still there

[crystal marlin]

Let's go!

[olive brook]

heya, whats are some good times to find h4 btb matches on mcc?

[eternal lion]

i don't have it

[signal ivy]

dunno

[eternal lion]

its social skirmishes

[signal ivy]

check again maybe

literally still there

it's just not featured

it's still in the list

[eternal lion]

what did it replaced ?

[river minnow]

I think social slayer or rumble pit

[eternal lion]

Really dont know how is the playlist is ordered

and why some playslist have point and other dont...

[hollow bobcat]

I realized something interesting. One Flag is fun in squad battles. It's not fun for 4v4.

[stone star]

Squad battle has been consistently popular here in oce, yet infection died immediately

[left snow]

Played some Squad Battle last night. Way more fun than the current 12 v 12 set up. Probably a combination of better team work and the utility of the vehicles.

[undone sluice]

Legit

Infection kinda wore off on my quickly

[left snow]

Infection rapidly regressed into what it has always been. Survivors finding a niche spot on the map which they can defend - and then feeding on the hapless unco-ordinated dribble of infected players trying to get to them.

[stone star]

unfortunately

Infection has always been best when survivors run around the map imo

trying to get as many kills as possible before dying rather than running the timer out

to get their score up

for classic infection at least

[undone sluice]

The 4 hit kill for the final survivor can be a killer sometimes

[stone star]

infection gametypes tend to be more preferable for people, get out of my house was the main type used in Halo 5

[undone sluice]

I think Flood was peak infection for me, was just real interesting

[stone star]

where survivors defend one area temporarily then move on to the next

[undone sluice]

Also the only time flood has existed in 343 game

[stone star]

I liked Reach and 5 infection

Flood is fun as well though

[undone sluice]

Halo 5 wasn't bad for infection but it wasn't that memorable to me

[stone star]

Reach having Evade made Infection the best for me, although nowadays whenever I play Reach Infection with people they always whine and ask for Infected to have sprint instead

Evade makes it more challenging and rewarding to get good at imo

[left snow]

Infection should be about survivors moving through the zombies.

There should be a zone that appears - only to the survivors - and they have a time limit to get to it. When everyone has made the zone then another one appears.

Zombies should be deadly - but have limited vision. They can only see survivors that are moving... and within a certain distance. And they shouldn't be able to see other zombies.

[stone star]

that's Havens

it's a gametype that's existed for a long time, since Reach but hasn't been available in matchmaking unfortunately

[left snow]

Was it popular?

[stone star]

at least not in MCC or Infinite

[stone star]

not sure about popular but it is fun

[undone sluice]

Fat kid was always fun

[stone star]

whenever I've played it with people they've regarded it as the most balanced

although Havens is a little different to your suggestion, particularly with the zombies having limited vision

it doesn't have that

and the zone just changes on a timer, regardless of whether everyone is in it or not

[left snow]

Sounds 1000x better than the traditional format.

[stone star]

the "get out of my house" gametype the community made is kinda similar, map is closed off at the start and linearly opens up the longer the match goes on

survivors hold one area, then move onto the next

zombie spawns update so they aren't spawning at the very beginning as well

Halo 5 had it in matchmaking as one of the main gametypes

although mind you the gametype is literally built on survivors camping one spot, however provided the map you're playing on is made well there are usually advantages the zombies have

[late burrow]

Anyone else seeing high amounts of lag switching cheaters in infinite

It’s really becoming super noticeable

[tepid latch]

ur sure its definitely not your ping? i cant say i've experienced a lag switcher in halo before. ig it could also be someone from another region playing with high ping?

[late burrow]

I’m legit it’s not

It’s like I’m a magnet for these

I’ve been unable to catch the names that do it

It’s been like this for weeks and I’m telling you it’s not my ping

[green oar]

tmw getting last spartan standing gets you more points than kills so all you have to do to win is camp in a hidden corner every round

[young glen]

... it's your ping.

[late burrow]

I’m serious it’s not man

[young glen]

It is.

[late burrow]

It really isn’t

[young glen]

To be honest, I don't really know what you mean by 'lag switching cheaters.' The game runs on dedicated servers, if anyone was to lag switch, they'd only be affecting themselves. I imagine you have at least 1% packet loss, which is causing networking issues to arise.

TL;DR: it's you, bud.

[late burrow]

It’s 200 packetloss and That’s not normal ping or not making themselves effected we know they have something that makes them immune

Im not having this argument again cus half the time people who are on here where actually trying to defend themselves from there cheating habbit

[tepid latch]

200 packetloss?

[late burrow]

It goes higher to even 1000 sometimes

[tepid latch]

where do you see the packet loss?

[late burrow]

And I’m in America not Asia

Any match I go in it’s the same problem

[tepid latch]

packetloss is different to ping iirc? if its saying you have 1000ping, its likely a you problem

[young glen]

I can assure you that I don't cheat. I'm trying to help you understand that blaming others for your own networknig problems isn't going to make it any better.

[late burrow]

It wasn’t like this 6 or month ago I’m telling you there’s a problem again

[young glen]

Online gaming is about quality, not speed. Any detriment to the quality of your line will severely negatively impact your online experience.

[vagrant glade]

Weekly reminder that the idiot who thought up BRs in casual Team slayer can go f--k themselves

[late burrow]

No man why aren’t you believing me I’m legit trying to call out the problem before it spreads

[young glen]

I don't believe you because you're wrong.

[late burrow]

WHY IS EVERYONE THE SAME

[young glen]

If we were on P2P networking here, you might have a point.

[misty vale]

Fight, fight, fight

[ruby lake]

howdy

[tepid latch]

sinbox0 you gotta give us some sorta proof here

[ruby lake]

source: trust me bro

[late burrow]

I CANT CUS I IM NOT ABLE TO KNOW WHO IT WAS THROUGHOUT THE HOLE MATCH

[misty vale]

I honestly haven't heard of the problem either but feeding complainers with anything other than matter of fact kindness results in a persecution meltdown

[ruby lake]

so you have no evidence to back up your claim!

lol

[young glen]

Because it's on your end. There are many tests you can take to check the quality of your line. First suggestion would be to play via ethernet, even if it's a powerline. Secondly, I understand that sometimes you're restrained to terrible internet — for gaming — depending on your geographical location. But, if you do the tests, play on wired, and still have packet loss and abnormal high ping, you should contact your ISP.

[misty vale]

Dude could just be on wifi

[limpid pollen]

8v8 btb with no vehicle pads wth did christmas come early?!?!?1

[misty vale]

Came a week ago. It owns

[limpid pollen]

idk why it took them so long to add this but, im so happy they did

[misty vale]

Well it's here now and it's great

[limpid pollen]

itll probably be gone in a few weeks or so tho sadly

[tepid latch]

@young glen is totally right here @late burrow absolutely do some tests, play ethernet if you can to assure the strongest connection and contact your ISP. you cant just say its the game's or player's faults without checking all the possibilities on your end first

[stone star]

Are you referring to squad battle?

[limpid pollen]

ye

[stone star]

That's here to stay

[tepid latch]

I dont think so! its the third highest playlist at the moment, to take it away would be fairly dumb

I'd just hope it gets updated with more and more btb remakes

[limpid pollen]

i agree but that hasnt stopped them in the past

[misty vale]

Ok well jump on and enjoy it

[minor sorrel]

Anyone know name of this one?

O nvm no image perms

[crystal iron]

I'm just used to lag switchers in any competitive online game. I just pretty much expect it half the time now

[rugged quartz]

You can link to an image hosting website

[minor sorrel]

this one https://imgur.com/a/VagbYRM

[ruby knoll]

really don't get why people say the mangler is useless

its still pretty powerful

if you can aim

[exotic vigil]

Its a good gun just got nerfed because comp played were crying so its not as good as it once was

[ruby knoll]

nah it was overpowered and i'm not even a ranked guy lol

[exotic vigil]

Idk it used to be more useful as a general purpose weapon but now its in a weird spot where in close range its hard to get the two one kill and at long range its hard to get the three shot kill

[crystal iron]

the mangler was broken but oh so fun to use, it was a good counter if the enemy team had priority on things like shotguns, overshield, and was great for objective rushing

[ruby knoll]

it's still useful
just not broken anymore

[ruby lake]

got kills with it tho (i can aim)

[ruby knoll]

go0d skills

[ruby lake]

i literally confused 2 enemy spartans by dashing from their gunfire

both of them were slow turning until i managed to get 2 quick kills with the mangler

[ruby knoll]

nice

[ruby lake]

my brain at the moment: "GET YOUR BUTT OFF THE CHAIR WE'RE PLAYING 'RANKED' "

me: "OH-"

[ivory glacier]

I love the mangler but what’s it’s deal in super fiesta? Is it jamming or it takes longer in between shots? I stopped using it

[limpid lance]

What guns would you most love to see make its way to Infinite

[thin elm]

If I had to pick one, silenced M7

Could spawn anywhere needler does atm

[low musk]

Just 4 challenges left and I guess I'll do it tomorrow. All pretty easy. I already have 4/5 of the 'Complete Matches'. Need one Victory, One Melee kill, and I need 5 kills with either Sword or Hammer

[crystal iron]

If my friend wants to play mcc on their pc, am I still able to buy the discount mcc as a gift for them? Or will it be full priced or do they have to be on xbox as well?

[thin elm]

U can get it on pc using windows Xbox app

[crystal iron]

Yeah ik that part but I meant in terms of gifting the collection to them am I just able to give it to them as though they were on Xbox? Like do I just need to put in their friend code or something?

I've never actually bought anything digital as a gift for someone so literally no idea how it works between two different platforms

[thin elm]

He’s on pc and ur on Xbox?

[crystal iron]

Yes

[thin elm]

Ok follow these steps

https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/11/20/how-to-buy-a-digital-game-as-a-gift-this-holiday/amp/

[crystal iron]

And I'm also curious if I can buy them the discounted version since I have game pass or if I still have to buy it at full price

[thin elm]

It shud be discounted still

[crystal iron]

Okay cool

Thx

[low musk]

Is there some sort of key to using the Rocket Hog? I've tried using it on multiple occasions, but it feels like its main utility is in anti-vehicular combat, but with the narrow nature of the lanes, its difficult to get a lock on most things anyways.

[thin elm]

Use like a shotgun, close enemies only

[crystal iron]

The one from Reach right? With the stream of rockets?

[low musk]

Are we talking about the one from Infinite or Reach? Sorry, I should elaborate on talking about the one from Infinite

[crystal iron]

Yeah I never even played infinite yet so I wouldnt know about that one

[thin elm]

Infinite,

missiles travel slow, aim for close baddies

A gud driver will get u close but stay movn

[low musk]

That makes a bit more sense, I did have more luck killing pilling closer. I wish the travel time for the missiles weren't so grating

[empty rapids]

oml leavers within the first 10 sec

[empty rapids]

the rockets are good at long-range and are good at anti vehicle

rocket hog can absolutely wipe regular players though

[orchid gyro]

Is there any way to play the fireteam raven game not at an arcade

[grim citrus]

What’s the discussion today

[eternal lion]

nope

[exotic vigil]

It would be cool to have it as an xbox game too maybe since it seems to be limited to certain arcade chains

[orchid gyro]

Gonna have to drag the gf along to dave n busters then🤣

[exotic vigil]

I had to convince mine for ten minutes to play lol

[empty rapids]

You could emulate it

gl doing that legally

i suppose you probably could purchase a copy of the game legally if you went through microsoft themselves

i can't imagine it'd be cheap though

those console games are thousands of dollars each, most places just rent them out

[eternal lion]

and then you would need to change the command of the game becaus its an arcade game (not controller or keyboard)
-> so just go to a place where Fireteam Raven is. Easier, cheaper and better for the economy

[crystal iron]

So Since I'm On Cali and we have tons of Cosplay conventions I decided that perhaps I can give it a go.

I was thinking Some Halo Spartan type of cosplay,

But than I was like idk how to even start...

But I'm also tryijg to get into great shape so I was thinking maybe Buddha From Record of Ragnarok. But I look nothing like the dude facially lol...

So maybe Spartan so I can where a mask lol.

Or I could just do like a Destroyer god type of thing.

My buddy did that once he used small magnets to connect the gold rings that go on the legs arms and neck... It looked pretty sick

[slow walrus]

I like how the first challenge in my list when I started playing was "Win 1 match"

now it's the only one preventing me from moving on to the ultimate

[sand osprey]

is there crossplay on mcc for lan?

[ruby fulcrum]

anyone else having serverproblems with Infinite rn?

[minor sorrel]

Anyone know what this armor is ? https://imgur.com/a/VagbYRM

[slow walrus]

Deadeye from the season 3 pass

[fallen flame]

that should be in the S3 battle pass

[ruby lake]

it is

[wanton root]

Helmet - Deadeye (Season 3 Battlepass Tier 15)

Visor - Aqua Green (Season 3 Battlepass Tier 4)

Chest attachment - TAC/Paradise Rig (Season 2 Battlepass Tier 39)

Left + Right Shoulders - UA/FLSF Type C (Season 4 Battlepass Tier 14 & 15 / Both Free)

Gloves - Capaxx (Default)

Wrist - UA/Type II-A1 Buckler (Season 1 Battlepass Tier 100)

Utility - Watsmil Ammo Pouch (Season 2 Battlepass Tier 41)

Knee Pads - WA/Type SA (Default)

Emblem - Unicorn of Fire (Awarded for something special)

Coating - Willow Tea (Season 1 & Winter Update Capstone)

also you're able to check a player's armour config in the socials menu

[ruby lake]

💀

[wanton root]

go to the recent tab in the Social menu, find the player and inspect their profile. There should be an "Inspect Armour" button there

gives you everything

[ruby knoll]

what is your current pfp from

[thin elm]

rockets miss at long range, players move

[lusty wraith]

What do y’all think of adding the SPNKR variant as an option in Squad Battle maps as a power weapon rotation?

It could work, anyone know if there’s an audio indicator to vehicle drivers/pilots of lock-ons?

[olive brook]

is it just me or does the h2a multiplayer br not have a reload sound

[smoky oasis]

H2A does have some audio issues, yes.

[lusty wraith]

Depending on how many sounds are playing at a given time, audio may not play for reloads/footsteps/etc in H2A mp

[olive brook]

ohh

[full warren]

I remember why I don't play ranked lol 3 mins wait can't even get a placement game 😄

[wanton root]

I had to use a NA vpn to get games

[full warren]

eastimated wait: 1:09 < This number might as well be fake

[wanton root]

I feel you bud

[wanton root]

most likely doesn't take into account the sbmm

but who knows

[full warren]

I dont even think it takes into account region

I am here in the UK at 2am and it says 20s for quick player when i queue its like 4 mins lol

and when its 1min wait while here in the afternoon I get instant queue

it literally is the US wait time

[glacial tartan]

Does it say its YOUR estimated wait time

😂

[full warren]

Well then what is the point of a estimated wait time lol

lol got a game its a 4 man team

They really should block 4 man and be max 2 players like other games, just semms weird you can basicly have a team vs individule randoms

[wanton root]

they did mention that in the most recent spartan chatter, they're trying to stop that

[full warren]

Thats good because all the pros are doing it, its getting to the point I am just watching full teams of pros vs pro on twitch. and then everyone just copy them

I was only able to play 1 ranked game went for dinner and now after 5 mins of waiting I think ranked is not for me lol. so sad that there isn't even players left to have a ranked match these days (its 5:30pm peak time in europe)

[indigo ravine]

Is there a way for halo to come to mobile

[full warren]

lol no, it will be a completely different game even if it did

[indigo ravine]

Like how

Call of duty came to mobile

[full warren]

and I bet you only play vs other mobile players

[indigo ravine]

Mmm

[full warren]

any game can be mobile

but does 343 want to is another question and no one has heard any plans for a mobile halo so not in the next 2-3 years

[young glen]

What kind of game are you looking for? Halo has two games on mobile, and you can play other Halo games on mobile from the cloud.

There is also the unofficial fan made game called 'Spartan Firefight'

[indigo ravine]

Lol 2?

[young glen]

Yeah Spartan Strike and Spartan Assault.

They should still be on the App Store, but I can't check as I don't own an Apple product.

[full warren]

I mean I think he means fps

[young glen]

Yeah that's why I'm wondering what type of game he's looking for.

[full warren]

Mobile games is such a young persn thing lol, I would never want to play a game on my phone when I have a pc lol

[indigo ravine]

Tbh it would be laughable if it came to mobile

[young glen]

I... just can't ever get around the controls. The virtual thumbsticks are like the absolute worst way to play a game, ever.

[full warren]

It is just not confortable I see people buy extra sticks and controller to play but im like... you have just made a xbox controller lol

sure if you are on the go 24/7 it might be nice to play a game you like but you can just go home and play lol

[grim citrus]

4 stacks are not impossible to beat.

[analog salmon]

CSR based matchmaking was probs a mistake. I think it just encourages boosting using mixed rank 4 stacks

i didnt find the MMR based system problematic

people just obsess over their rank too much "how am i only gaining 6 CSR when i demolished a team with an Onyx 1600" etc

it feels more broken now then it did S2 for me

before boosters werent a problem gameplay wise

they would still have an accurate MMR

or at least it wasnt such an issue

[grim citrus]

MMR ranking encourages selfish players that hog power weapons. Bungie tried the MMR approach in the first 3 seasons of reach and found that it wasn’t good for team based play and then dropped it.

[analog salmon]

at this point i just care more about match quality then i do about what rank people are and how easy you can cheese a higher rank then you should be

it seems switching from MMR to CSR last season has just made people use much more annoying methods to boost

even if its harder, its now affecting me much more

someone having an inflated CSR but accurate MMR in S2 really didnt affect me other then thinking "thats bs they have that rank"

[grim citrus]

And the match quality drops when people are more concerned with theIr K/D because it leads them to a high MMR ranking

[analog salmon]

winning matches is still how you rank up either way

its actually kills per minute. and its still MMR determining your gains as a solo player

MMR being kill per minute mainly

[grim citrus]

If a person is constantly getting 18-7, but is losing is more likely to switch up his style in a CSR focused setting than a person going 18-7 and losing in a MMR focused setting

[analog salmon]

kills per minute encourages baiting but honestly at diamond or above most people learn when they're getting baited and play around it no probleem

MMR is still underlying CSR, its just CSR is now how you are matched against other players

whatever means you used to boost your MMR to inflate your CSR in S1 and S2 still works pretty much

so it seems to me CSR based matchmaking just added new ways to boost

[grim citrus]

MMR was never a good idea to me. Like sports, the only thing that matters is wins and losses

[analog salmon]

its really hard to know ig. 343 have the data. People hated CSR discrepancies but i dont think it actually affected match quality. Theen again if people stop playing because they feel CSR is BS then ig its important they make it fair

[grim citrus]

There’s so much variables that the MMR doesn’t pick up which makes the system in itself inconsistent on how it measures a players ability

[analog salmon]

personally im in the boat that if the matches are fun and my CSR seems to recongise my skill, i dont care how my CSR changes match by match

[grim citrus]

I’m in the boat that does, because I enjoy competition

[analog salmon]

the problem is you're probably not improving. or if you are its very gradually

i.e. expecting to go up the ranking is irrational itself

i literally stay right where i place every reset

place D1 and maybe get a few ranks up

im not really bothered because there's people playing this game every day

if im maintaining my skill relative to the ranked population rn then im doing good frankly

[grim citrus]

What?

[analog salmon]

its all relative. if everyone is getting better at this gamee, do you think more people should be onyx? no because onyx becomes meaningless

at the end of the day plat has to be the average

and you are ranked based on your relative skill

[grim citrus]

No, because there’s always going to be people better than you

[analog salmon]

so why do you think there's no competition in having to fight to maintain your rank

[grim citrus]

I strived for champion every season

[analog salmon]

cool but if you arent in that bracket of the player base that's too bad

just because you strive for something doesnt mean you deserve it

[grim citrus]

How is that too bad

…

[analog salmon]

you think everyone should constantly be ranking up every season? whats the point?

once you reach the upper 10% you are really gonna have to grind the game to get better. take a few days off and you'll be rusty at that level

players at lower skill levels havee much easier time improving if anything

you then have to fight to keep in the top 10% say

so why should you be ranking up?

try to take what im saying more hypothetical because even if you are grinding every day and getting better in you opinion, not everyone is. most players in the top 10% probably arent.

i will say if your w/l for the last 25 games is like 2:1 and you're the same rank, sure thats bs

but most people are 1:1 and still complain about their CSR gains

why do people care about maintaining their rank when they're only winning as many games as they're losing?

[devout kite]

How can someone be platinum in their career rank with only 750 games played

Like that doesn’t make any sense

[crystal iron]

only

[proven pollen]

Definitely possible, I am about to hit Platinum career rank with well less than that this season

[full warren]

ol on spartan records, I just checked if all my points counted I would be at onyx gunnery sergeant

but yeah you can check that guy on spartan recordsm 1.5million points in 750 games 2000 per game sound about right?

plat lt colonel is 1.5m xp

[heavy edge]

So when is 343 updating MCC’s featured items? It’s been over two months and they haven’t changed

I have 190 points ready to be spent

[crystal mortar]

i just found out the person who voiced sniper tf2 was in 2 seperate Halo games

what do i even do with this information

[stone nimbus]

he also voiced the male civilians in Half Life 2

and his wife is the Combine Overwatch announcer, the TF2 announcer, and GLaDOS

maybe listen closely to the crooked NMPD commissioner in the ODST audio logs?

[sturdy lily]

Anyone done "Eye Spy" these week?

[glacial tartan]

Yes! I put a video up on YT every week showing the fastest way to get them 🙂

[sturdy lily]

can u link channel?

[glacial tartan]

The "Featured Items" section was put in place to trickle in the poses that 343 added after Season 8. Hopefully it (and the exchange) completely go away soon!

[glacial tartan]

Im not sure if Im allowed to link it here, but its "@glacial tartan" there

It doesnt like me typing that but you get the point 🙂

[heavy edge]

Well it’s been two months now so I have no hope

[sturdy lily]

perfect found thx

[heavy edge]

It could be an easy fix I mean they just updated the game

[glacial tartan]

There are a lot of simple potential fixes that exist like this in MCC

[white birch]

Microsoft and Valve are within walking distance of each other so I'm not surprised.
Well. Long walk but still walking

[crystal iron]

why didn’t the forerunners just fire the halo ring.

[ruby knoll]

they did

[ruby knoll]

not too long. Lincoln Square says hi

Iirc, Gaben is ex-MS

[serene furnace]

Microsoft and Valve have good relations

[crystal iron]

Tell me that you don’t understand halo story without telling me that you don’t understand halo story:

Ok, seriously I also don’t know everything from lore but come on, it’s literally the most basic stuff

[serene furnace]

Guilty Sparks explains to Tartaruns that the Forerunners died firing the Halo rings right before fighting him

[full warren]

I mean that is literally the most important plot point of halo is that they fired the ring... literally every event revolves around it, every fight, every race, every enermy...

your question is like, why didn't the sith just take over the galaxy

[signal furnace]

Has anyone else noticed how awful the team balance in Squad Battle is? My team is either dominating or being steam rolled. I don't think I've had a single balanced game in any of the two dozen matches I've played.

[grim citrus]

The population is low and all over the place, so matching people accurately is slim to none.

[celest heron]

skill matching will likely be lower when you have more people per game.

[devout kite]

The new ar model is fire with sol devil coating

[winter echo]

Does anyone play Halo 3? I need some people to play with

[tepid latch]

@winter echo check out the LFG channels further down in the discord 😁

[left snow]

Yep. It definitely seems to be causing issues. Your MMR can form drift from your CSR (in both directions) - so matching on CSR is only making it harder for the MM to even out the teams.

[left snow]

Isn't this on 343? K/D doesn't affect your MMR. It's KPM. So farming your K/D can actually lower your MMR.

343 need to be more open and communicative about the system so people stop ruminating about this "mysterious" and hidden MMR.

I love it when an dominating opposition team tries to farm kills at the end of a game. Not realising that dropping the oddball to eek out a few cheap kills while prolonging the game is actually lowering their KPM.

[left snow]

Exactly. And I don't know why 343 are so "secretive".

KPM actually encourages adventerous aggressive play. As opposed to K/D farming which favours camping.

We should be able to see our MMR vs CSR in each game mode. And our KPM vs opponent skill. And then people would understand the system - and come to accept their rank for what it is.

[grim citrus]

I’ve spoken to one of the developers of the truskill2 system. KPM and DPM are huge factors

[left snow]

Yep. That's is what I was saying.

KPM and (to a lesser extent), DPM.

They are only weightings. So the win or loss is still the key. But it's how the system differentiates players within a team (eg. if four players all started together on brand new accounts) and detects Smurfs.

But not a lot of people put any effort into realising that KPM is an entirely different beast to KD. You can't manipulate KPM. And a good KD doesn't necessarily mean a good KPM.

[dark violet]

Hey Controller players, do you feel like the sensitivity is not good compared to M&K players? I feel like M&K have better control with their settings rather than controller, I don’t want to have to get a M&K just to play Halo with good sensitivity settings. All I want is to have the customization for the controller that’s all. Hope someone from 343 sees this 😭

[tepid latch]

what sensitivity settings are you looking for? controller will always feel different to kbm. Aim assist should help bridge the gap a little, but since controller you've only really got your thumb and joystick to control your aim as opposed to you're whole hand moving

[left snow]

Feels OK to me?

A lot of people go for high sensitivity but then struggle with the reduced aim assist. Especially those used to Halo 5

Above Average Cody has recently done another settings summary on YouTube.

You want about 2.5 to 3.5 senstitivity. And 3 to 5 acceleration.

[dark violet]

I’m watching people stream Infinite and I notice how quickly they are able to turn to their back, I want that, even at max settings on controller, (And messing with the acceleration) I can never replicate how fast they are able to turn. In any other shooter, I never have this problem, it’s ONLY with Infinite.

[wanton stone]

Unless I can grind through Firefight, I ain’t playing

[crystal iron]

Wouldn't know. I dont play M&K lol

[tepid latch]

Huh, weird issue. might be worth creating a thread and just detail out some of your thoughts there, no better way to start a discussion :)

[low musk]

Just finished the last challenge, so now the Ultimate is my go to just because its more EXP for the BP. Already got 3 out of the 15, so it won't take too long. BTB usually is a good place for it

[left snow]

M&K will always have the edge.

But you can improve things on your controller.

Set acceleration to 5 (max). That will control how fast you move around. And then play with your look stick settings. In particular you want a big max input threshold. This is the outer "dead" zone. It will mean you hit the fastest acceleration quicker.

[dark violet]

Can you walk me through how to do that? I tried doing that and I don’t even see the thread anymore lol

[ivory glacier]

This might not be helpful but I was having a lot of trouble turning quick and it had nothing to do with the sensitivity. It turned out to be my dead zone setting. I think it was the axial dead zone but I can’t remember. I felt stupid cuz it didn’t even make sense how slow my turning was and I just lived with it for the longest time

[dark violet]

I will try the dead zone setting right now, I wish I didn’t have to mess with I don’t have to in other shooters but I will give an update

[grim citrus]

It’s all preference. I’ve been playing controller for 20+ years, and I’ve outclassed a lot of kbm players in halo.

[dark violet]

Controller Sensitivity Settings

[dark violet]

Yeah sadly this didn't help. Still don't feel that "freedom" with the controller

To give a better example to what I want to do, I would love to be able to quickly look at the ground to repulse my self into the sky but that takes about 1.3 seconds to do. Idk if I'm being too picky about this.

[dark violet]

Maybe even a tad bit longer than this

[ivory glacier]

Mine feels plenty quick enough to snap onto targets and be accurate. But if they got first shot and they’re an accurate shooter by the time I snap on them I’m gonna lose. Nothing I can do about that

[ivory glacier]

Ok now that I agree. I see what you’re saying now cuz I feel that way too. Takes way to long to look down and repulse yourself

Feels different than side to side. I think it’s more noticeable with the repulsor

[dark violet]

Yes! thank you for noticing that, I'm watching this streamer play and I see how quickly he is able to snap and repulse. I get so jealous

[glossy carbon]

even with low sense if you react fast enough you can manage to repulse up

[dim jewel]

I need some tips on how to improve at Halo, even when I try to play tactically instead of COD style, I still get my rear end handed to me

[grim citrus]

Knowing timers for weapons, power ups, positioning, map awareness, and how to force others to spawn in certain areas are the key essentials at being great at halo

[dim jewel]

My reaction time also could be better

[grim citrus]

That takes repetition and experiences

[dim jewel]

And my aim

[grim citrus]

You don’t necessarily need a great aim

You just gotta be at the right place at the right time

[dim jewel]

I see, I guess it does take practice

I mean I'm horrenous at BTB especially

[tepid latch]

Doddsmcfodds has a lot of cool videos about getting better at the game, they're really fun to watch!

[dim jewel]

Thanks

Some Halo side titles I'd love to see:

A Flood themed survival horror game, where you're an ordinary Marine

[tepid latch]

I reckon thats one of the most requested halo ideas i've heard lol, i totally agree that'd be incredibly cool! i wanna say something like alien Isolation would be good inspo for something like that mayb

[dim jewel]

Hey, it's a good idea, no wonder why so many have it LOL

I also wouldn't mind an interquel where we actually see the Created Conflict happen, would be a good chance to actually use some of the concept art from Infinite

[tepid latch]

for sure! I wonder if, for a side game, it should be another addition to the spartan strike/assault games and maybe it could be a chance to give those games a bit of a step up in quality

[dim jewel]

Plus, I do wanna see a glimpse of what the Created controlled worlds look like

So we get a sense of what's going on in the larger galaxy outside of Zeta Halo and would at least give us some sense of closure for that Halo 5 plot thread

I mean until the community complained, I'm fairly certain the Created were planned to play a big role in Infinite judging by the concept art

[tepid latch]

I do hope sometime in the near future the halo IP can really branch out to more than just one halo game and halo other developers give their go and put a mark on the universe!

[dim jewel]

Because it's a vast setting

Hell, I wouldn't even mind a prequel set during the Insurrection

Point is Halo is a setting where you can do a lot with

And not contradict the existing lore either

For what it's worth, I didn't inherently hate the idea of a Cortana heel turn, I just think 343 bungled it horribly, same with Locke's entire character. I mean nobody complained as much about the Arbiter being playable for some of Halo 2's campaign, problem was Locke was underdeveloped

343's bad marketing didn't help

[ruby knoll]

to be fair other developers already have worked on Halo

my question though, is why not more

[next pine]

does anyone know why I cant play multiplayer in halo mcc when I see that connecting session thingy it just doesnt let me enter the game and is there anyway I could fix this?

[dim jewel]

I mean let's be totally honest, Cortana's heel turn came out of basically nowhere if you never read the comics

[tepid latch]

way back when the first poster released of Locke mirrored under chief i had joined in on the wild conspiracy that that was cortana, but never had a reason to believe she would actually come back outside of that conspiracy. when the game actually launched i was thrilled to see her back, but yeah the turn to antagonist kinda struck me outta nowhere since i've only played the games and watched a little eu stuff. i think i need to play it again since the last time i touched it was its release year i reckon

[grim citrus]

Halo 4?

[dim jewel]

Yeah, she fell into the Domain, but it never was implied she'd become a villain

[grim citrus]

Would you consider Catherine Halsey a good person, or not good person

[dim jewel]

Foreshadowing is a sign of good writing

[dim jewel]

Oh she's a monster

[grim citrus]

Where did cortana come from

[dim jewel]

Oh I see now

Well, 343 could have set it up better

[grim citrus]

They set it up perfectly

Bungie was the ones that didn’t really give us anything on cortana

If they did, we wouldn’t be having this conversation

[dim jewel]

And of The Created?

[grim citrus]

What about them

[dim jewel]

How could 343 have made their debut better?

[grim citrus]

The same way bungie introduced the flood. Give them sequels to flesh them out instead of dropping the idea

[dim jewel]

Ah..

[grim citrus]

Arbiter was hated back in 04, but was loved by many in halo 3. Give characters and plots time to grow instead of dismissing them instantly

The fans drove 343i to reboot the story instead of continuing the reclaimer saga for ridiculous reasons. Extremely talented people that worked on those games don’t work there anymore

[quasi birch]

So here's a dumb question from someone who's never halo modded. I've downloaded a few workshop bits on MCC and I'm loving them, but is there a way to play with my mates outside of split screen?

[wanton root]

hm, chl shade is close to hero rank

[tepid latch]

cant wait to see the reward

[crystal iron]

I thought it was getting added later

[sleek hatch]

Anyone that's uses Xbox app have troubles with theater on controller?

[full warren]

god awful playing at this hour, there isn't enough players online so we get the most extremely unbalanced teams with literal noobs and onyx plays in the same game

[fallen flame]

What mode you trying to play ?

[full warren]

teamslayer lol

if anyone want to see some crazy stuff I just saw a squad battle end 4 vs 75 hahahah

that is crazy unbalanced

[tepid latch]

Hero rank has officially been obtained by CHL Shade

[full warren]

LOL

crazy grind

[fallen flame]

Gonna be funny if they add the other reach ranks haha

[celest heron]

slowly turning into mcc

[full warren]

I think what happened was a full team of D3-onyx players matched vs some randoms

[tepid latch]

137 days and some hours he said

[glacial tartan]

Didnt the patch for XP drop like a month ago?

[crystal iron]

🤯

[crystal iron]

What

[full warren]

I mean i just wished we would gotten the xp for the games we played, I will never reach hero at this point because I am not going to play another 3k games lol

[fallen flame]

that's probably his total time played

[full warren]

I probably wont get even to 4k before I think I will quit

[fallen flame]

Why would you quit infinite is just starting to get amazing

[full warren]

I am bored lol its the same thing basicly

The new maps and stuff don't really interested me lol. I still can't get out of my head that playing on mnk is just a 2nd class citizen in this game, and I know its tons better than release day but its slowly making me want to quit I just not found another game yet

[fallen flame]

mnk works fine i use it all the time lol

[full warren]

The base machanics in this game is really fun. That is the only reason I am still playing

[fallen flame]

You ever thought of just taking a small break from the game your most likely getting burned out

[full warren]

I mean I have not been playing much lately

other than today and yesterday I played like 6-10 games a week

ok thats a lie I played more but I do not play every day anymore

about 50 games this month, so thats like, 8hs? give or take in the last 20 days, thats pretty low i think. I used to play other games 8h a day lol

[fallen flame]

Uhm

[full warren]

Its a 3 years old video

[worthy girder]

its a video you watch every year

[left snow]

I'm not overly fond of this CSR lobby matching.

My stats before this showed that solo teams were still pretty much 50:50 to win vs 4 stacks. At least providing nobody quit when they saw the team structures.

But the last month or so I'm being destroyed by 4 stacks. One of them a few days ago had Onxy and high Diamond players vs a Gold lobby. They smashed us. 😦

I know 343 are looking into this - and hopefully we can go back to MMR lobbies soon

[coarse dagger]

@worthy girder If that's your own Halo content, feel free to share it in #1076327824924872755

[stone star]

earlier I played a team slayer match where I got 28 kills and my friend got 19

but the 2 randoms on our team collectively got 2 kills

and that was one of them got 2 kills and the other got literally nothing the whole game

[south cargo]

“Hey guys look how many kills I’ve got I’m so good please pay attention to me”

[stone star]

u got a problem or something?

[south cargo]

“And look at how trash my team was ong this is 333s fault”

“Omg im so good and my team is soooo bad”

[stone star]

...

yeah na I'm not touching this

[south cargo]

Dude tell me about it I got like 800 kills and my team just quit like Wut

And then everyone clapped

And they started begging me to add them 😂

[oak whale]

Is there a problem with the servers? Because it just says there's a problem with the dedicated servers when I try to find a game. It searches, connects then comes up with the error.

Edit (Nevermind it fixed itself)

[full warren]

there is a problem it happend 4 times to me but just start new game it will find it and its fine, it looks like the server is canceling games

[oak whale]

Yeah it just happened to me again

[left snow]

Somewhat random. And feels a bit off key.

[crystal iron]

long live mcc

[wanton root]

He played for 15 - 16 hours of continuous games and probably with some 30 minutes breaks inbetween today

[olive brook]

61mb mcc update

[devout kite]

How’s everyone career tanks going

[white birch]

Almost to silver

[night rain]

the Arbiter being playable for part of the campaign was plenty controversial back then

I mean, does anyone remember halo2sucks?

[celest heron]

I think lots of people do. I'd say they would've had valid complaints with the mp.

[lusty wraith]

Is this a known bug? In Halo Infinite’s campaign, Chief’s head is covering the reticle when using a turret

Tried on multiple FOV

[signal ivy]

absoultely, people HATED the Aribiter when H2 released.

with the same complaint as Halo 5

they wanted more chief

[celest heron]

the bloom in Reach with this update is making it hard to focus on enemies in mm on some maps.

[hollow bobcat]

I'm curious. Can you play Infinite and MCC via the cloud?

[glacial tartan]

Yes! Though the input delay can be really rough 🙂

[hollow bobcat]

I have a controller that isn't Bluetooth for my phone, so that might help. It's called the Backbone for Android.

[granite folio]

Anyone else getting the UE4 fatal error crash on startup of MCC on PC?

[glacial tartan]

Steam?

[granite folio]

yup

[coarse dagger]

There was a patch released today to fix some crashing issues

#halo-support-news

[granite folio]

Yeah it's what caused the crashing, lol

updated it and now it crashes

[coarse dagger]

Submit a support ticket please

[sullen kiln]

Please refer to the Halo Support site for additional information and/or to submit a ticket concerning any issues you may be experiencing.

https://aka.ms/HaloSupport

[glacial tartan]

I ran into this when downgrading to an older version for some testing - being on a different version really breaks MCC

[storm snow]

Finally got the "no xp" bug. Very annoying.

[lusty wraith]

I’m younger than you by about ~10 years I’d guess but from what I remember, the vast majority loved playing as the Arbiter

[signal ivy]

def not

[eternal lion]

well, you are wrong :/

[devout kite]

I’m halfway done with silver

[lusty wraith]

I’m not but aight

[signal ivy]

Arbiters inclusion was VERY controversial with Halo fans

[smoky wave]

It was very very controversial to the point that Bungie had to basically throw all the next story for Halo 3 and make the arbiter basically just there

[lusty wraith]

If you mean with the few fans who were immersed in 2004 internet then I guess

[signal ivy]

message boards were huge in 2004

[lusty wraith]

What exactly was there to continue with an Arbiter MC in 3? Goals were aligned, his story arc was perfect in 2

[signal ivy]

idk if you were on them when you were 8

if you are 10 years younger than me

[lusty wraith]

I was not, but pretty much every human being I knew was into Halo at the time and I only heard praise

[smoky wave]

Nope, there were plans to continue with the original story with the act 3 that was cut off from Halo 2 hell development and the arbiter having more presence but because of the feedback they had to changed it

[signal ivy]

well, to be fair that's just your singular experience, you can go online right now and see the plethora of people who disagreed with his inclusion

people were complaining about him being in there before the game came out

there were tons of leaks

[lusty wraith]

It’s not as broad as you’re saying at all though from what I can see

[signal ivy]

ok

[smoky wave]

Sorry Aegis, 2004 forums does not exist 😔 bungie.net does not exist that time

[signal ivy]

yeah all those people complaining about it were just a dream

[lusty wraith]

Y’all are tiring

I’m not interested in a fight ✌️

[signal ivy]

I don't think we're fighting?

panda are we fighting?

[smoky wave]

Nope lol

[signal ivy]

weird

[lusty wraith]

You’re getting annoyingly sarcastic and I ain’t interested in a conversation that’ll end up dogpiling

[signal ivy]

I thought it was a pretty civil discussion

that's ok though, I'll respect your wishes

[lusty wraith]

If you say so, I just know when things will devolve so ima head out

[smoky wave]

We are just here to tell you what was back then 🤷

[onyx latch]

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Still want my halo2sucks.com tshirt though.

[lusty wraith]

You’re framing things in a way where 2004 forums are the source of truth here when things were not even monolithic back then in the first place. I’m not arguing that people weren’t miffed about it online in 2004

[coarse dagger]

Same

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[smoky wave]

Forums back then were very very big that a lot of companies took feedback there in that time, similar to what it is now with social media

But if you don't want to believe it that's ok

[onyx latch]

Hell, magazines were touting the same stuff.

The bigger differences were more in the lack of CERTAIN TYPES OF PERSON being so pervasive due to the frequency with which they would appear.

[signal ivy]

just one last thing top 1000 issues with the game. This was 59

[onyx latch]

Meanwhile people now will say it's the better half, which tickles me.

[signal ivy]

also ending the campaign as Arbiter is up there too

[smoky wave]

Yup yup yup

[signal ivy]

#50 actually

man people were really mad at bungie lmao. Holy cow

[lusty wraith]

I’m not saying they weren’t big, I just disagree that it was big enough to cause a change in the story or ‘reduce’ the Arbiter’s role. I know there’s online speculation about this but I’ve never seen any confirmation. I mean dual wielding was a big thing people complained about too yet it remained in 3

[smoky wave]

It was big enough for bungie to reduce him as a second player option

[onyx latch]

And then it got removed after 3.

[smoky wave]

With just one or two lines

[signal ivy]

more brutes?

[smoky wave]

Worse

[lusty wraith]

I know you’re exaggerating but that’s just factually incorrect

[smoky wave]

I'm really not lol

[onyx latch]

Including things HE SHOULD KNOW for example.

[signal ivy]

the only two that come to mind immediately are "more brutes" and "see how they bait their trap?"

[onyx latch]

That dialogue would've worked so much better if Arbiter and Chief swapped dialogue.

[glacial tartan]

Vocal minority = all public opinion 😄 I'm learning

[lusty wraith]

He has many lines during the game in single player

[onyx latch]

Considering the sort of degrading effect it has on some things, sometimes yes.

Mister Sarcasm.

[signal ivy]

oh the the prophet line too

[onyx latch]

Eh, number of lines isn't as much of an issue as significantly reduced plot agency and presence.

[lusty wraith]

He has short lines about why the grunts remain enemies. He shouts at the drones to rebel, he speaks with elite allies regarding the blockade of high charity and how the flood escaped…

[smoky wave]

You are right, he has only 1 minute of lines in a campaign that goes between 5 hours or something
Reducing him basically just saying one lines or less compared to Halo 2 where it shows more his personality and his actions

[signal ivy]

make sense, look at H3 Truth

[lusty wraith]

Like I said before, his goals align with the humans’ now, there isn’t a pressing need in H3 for him to have another arc

[smoky wave]

So yeah, Bungie reduced basically his whole role in a situation where he rebels to the covenant and has a supposed role to be with the humans against them and the flood
Which is really bad

[lusty wraith]

His role was fine in 3

[smoky wave]

Nah

[onyx latch]

I see it entirely as a consequence of backlash meshing with mediocre level design.

There's a reason he literally only helps you in more compact spaces except for one single level where he's basically strapped to your rear.

[smoky wave]

They basically changed a lot from the original plan that was cut off from Halo 2

[glacial tartan]

So "Halo2Sucks.com" was the majority opinion?

[smoky wave]

Same with forums and magazines back then

It was a very hot topic

Same what happened with halo 5

[onyx latch]

Would a sarcastic, obvious, or actually helpful answer give you the answer you want?

[lusty wraith]

I think the issue is y’all want character driven stories to be the focus like 343i’s Halos which is fine, I mean we’ve been getting nothing but that. Bungie’s games focused more on telling an epic-like story with events and struggle being the focus which is why I personally feel the trilogy worked 🤷‍♂️

[analog salmon]

A problem with these bigger arena maps is stacks just camp and bait

In social

Honestly ranked arena maps are the best in social

[onyx latch]

Congrats, Bungie, for doing the bare minimum expected of a AA game.

[onyx latch]

Ah, now, you see, Halo 5 was all organic. There wasn't a single person seeking profit out of controversy for that one.

[lusty wraith]

Thank you for turning this into a Bungie hate conversation, really productive 👍

[onyx latch]

I do what's needed.

[ruby knoll]

it never felt epic for the most part.

You want epic scale? Halo Wars 1.

the FPS games are largely small to medium scale

Ensemble did large scale well

[lusty wraith]

1. It did feel epic
2. An “epic” is not the same as epic (adjective)
3. Halo Wars is sick yes

[ruby knoll]

nah

[lusty wraith]

👍

[ruby knoll]

save for the third point

coincidentally, HW1 was written more or less entirely by Ensemble Studios

[shadow mango]

All halo games are valid to like, except for that one halo game

[smoky wave]

Which is?

[lusty wraith]

The second point is the only factual objective point in the list 💀

[ruby knoll]

in my 100% honest, nonsarcastic, sincere opinion there is only one objectively bad halo game and that's the weird mobile game they did for halo 4

[lusty wraith]

Spartan Assault is actually good tf

Unironically

[ruby knoll]

not what i'm talking about

https://www.halopedia.org/Halo_4:_King_of_the_Hill_Fueled_by_Mountain_Dew

the one actually bad halo game

[shadow mango]

Mobile?

[glacial tartan]

The 7/11 one.

[lusty wraith]

Ok you survived my wrath

[coarse dagger]

@signal ivy

[signal ivy]

can we ban siege

[smoky wave]

The best Halo 4 game idk what are you talking about

With my Windows phone

[coarse dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/savage-ill-allow-it-rd_btc-gif-20385842

[signal ivy]

https://giphy.com/gifs/WWE-wwe-wrestling-l0HU7yHIK6Nc3WcE0

[analog salmon]

49-49, enemy has 1 rocket left. I have translocator. Duped the guy using the translocator and then killed the same guy. He was going like 30-10 carrying his team so hard. Bless his soul

i had to choose to go rocks or translocator and translocator was closer. clutchest play i've made with that thing

[crystal iron]

man watahell 10gb on disk

for 60mb updajt

[analog salmon]

compression innit

[ruby knoll]

nope

[signal ivy]

dang

[balmy wedge]

Imagine what an amazing world we'd live in if the next Master Chief Collection update featured the weapon skins from this game.

Not even a joke, the most obscure Halo reference out there from a game lost to time preserved in ten weapon skins, the next level in game preservation. Fifteen skins if they add them for non-starter weapons: The Saw.

[low musk]

Is there a way to turn off crossplay? Playing against MnK players is... tiresome

[hollow bobcat]

Random controversial opinion: Arrival is the best song in the Halo series.

[ruby knoll]

@signal ivy ^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkbdaME8Bzw

[hollow bobcat]

How to get most of the Halo community to attack you.

"The motion tracker was a big mistake in multiplayer."

[summer aspen]

Nah that's basically what competitive players advocate for all the time to completely remove the motion tracker lol

[low musk]

Knowing 343, they would likely listen to that community

[smoky wave]

In the first flight the radar was pretty different, it did not show the enemies unless they are sprinting or shooting, which is pretty ideal imo
People complained because of that and 343 put the classic one

Same goes to put more range in the radar for BTB

[signal ivy]

the best? eh. One of the best? absolutely

[hollow bobcat]

To me, it is the best.

[low musk]

Its arguably one of the better ones, but is it THE best. No

[hollow bobcat]

Walk Softly from Halo 5 is one of my other favorites.

[coarse dagger]

Arrival is good, real good, but I think Green and Blue tips it for me

[hollow bobcat]

Halo 4 had the best soundtrack ever. Neil Davidge was brilliant.

[thin elm]

dopee

[hollow bobcat]

When I go to work again, I'm going to use a trial for Xbox ultimate and see if I can play some multiplayer matches of infinite on my phone via the cloud.

It's going to be weird using the joysticks because I'm used to mouse and keyboard.

[cinder halo]

Is anyone else experiencing like an insane amount of disconnects this season? I've lost 3 matches today because someone from my 4 stack would either disconnect randomly or just wouldn't load in at all

[fallow crow]

We need a Veto system and instant spawns back.

[foggy vortex]

so one of my pals is having trouble with his Armour hall, its not loading in. you gents have any fixes for it? hes on PC.

[left snow]

Nope. Match composer >>> Veto. Like, 1000x. The veto system was bad.

And double nope. 8 seconds is fine. Take the time to reflect on your erroneous ways.

[signal ivy]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reactionseditor-will-ferrell-best-friends-l1ughbsd9qXz2s9SE

[real urchin]

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I really think they should reduce the playlists in Infinite. There's just not a big enough population to ensure quality matches across them all.

When you're playing the same people match after match that's not a good sign.

[glacial tartan]

Playlist management ought to be the easiest changes possible, but I think its broken the game the last few times they touched them

[real urchin]

I find it funny how it was seemingly so popular to bring back Infected yet often times when I look at that playlist there's not even an estimated queue time because that's how few ppl are playing it.

[left snow]

Not necessarily an unpopular one. It's frustrating when you can't get a game in the playlist you want because the population is spread so thinly.

We desperately need a match composer.

Or at least the ability to checkbox multiple playlists and then let the MM find us the best game available.

[stone star]

I know, it's sad

I remember when it released it said that and people said it was a bug or that I had done something wrong

[left snow]

Probably people like me. Was fun for a few games - but then it deteriorated into Survivors holing up in some semi-accessible part of the map and drip feeding on incoming Infected.

Can't say I get it?

[stone star]

Infection is my go to mode, and for ages now I've not been able to play it properly because it's utterly dead on MCC in oce

I got like, a day or 2 of playing Infection with Infinite and that was it

[left snow]

Would it be better to have daily rotational lists? Like make Mondays = Infection. Tuesday = Tactical Sniper. Wednesday = FFA, and so on.

That way players can get their fix of favourite playlists regularly - and it concentrates the population at the time?

[real urchin]

Imo no. I simply wouldn't login and play on the days that a playlist wasn't on that I liked.

[smoky oasis]

That would not leave people with a lot of time to enjoy the gametypes they like.

Plus, what if I really love Infection but always work Mondays?

[real urchin]

It's just sad they lost so much goodwill with players at the very beginning. There was what... like 20million players the first month. They'll never achieve numbers like that again until there's a new game.

[stone star]

I mean at least we'd get games of infection

I'm not really finding any on any of the 7 days of the week

So it'd be a plus for me if it worked

[real urchin]

it's truly a player population issue unfortunately and not much can fix that at this point

[crystal iron]

Well, halo infinite had a lot of problems so it’s expectable that a lot of people won’t come back to it. But even if it would be a perfect game, still there is no way that 20 million players would keep playing it

[smoky oasis]

The special gametypes that the community hypes (Infection, Grifball) were never as popular as people like to remember.

[left snow]

It's definitely a Match Composer situation. There are probably plenty of players online who would be happy to play a game of Infection - but they are queued for BTB or Fiesta etc.

[stone star]

I mean it's sad that the playerbase drops in any game but with Infinite it was expected

[crystal iron]

I never was a big fan of grifball tbh. Found it more annoying than enjoyable

[smoky oasis]

It was alright. Could be fun with friends, not something I'd search solo.

[left snow]

Yeah - online Grifball seemed to be full of people farming their career K/D.

[real urchin]

Agreed. I monitor the queue times a lot and the most constitent playlists from my observations are Quick Play, Fiesta and BTB.

Sometimes Team Slayer

and sometimes the weekly featured playlist

[crystal iron]

Well, I never had friends that play halo(overall halo is pretty unpopular here) so maybe I just never experienced more fun way to play grifball

[stone star]

Halo is just unpopular in general I find

Compared to the likes of cod that is

[crystal iron]

It’s expected with any game tbh. It’s impossible to keep all players playing for a long time. Most of players just move on from a game after month or two

[stone star]

Partly why singleplayer games are better

Multiplayer games have gotta tackle the issue of retaining players whereas singleplayer games don't