halo-discussion

[dull cave]

Oh yeah I saw that, imagine if the helmet was released too 💀

And the chest piece

[sullen anvil]

oof

[dull cave]

The helmet ain't that bad tho

[dull cave]

🥳

[small goblet]

🌚

[sullen anvil]

I like the MK6 variants that infinite is releasing. Zeta and Hazmat are pretty good

[frosty condor]

There was nothing wrong with my mans armor in H3

[dull cave]

The hazmat one is pretty sick tho imo

[small goblet]

Yeah big fan of the hazmat one it’s nice to see covers used

[sullen anvil]

Menachite or however you spell it is MK5 but ough that one is so good

[dull cave]

Yeah, but I loved the h4 redesign

Not hating on the older one tho

[sullen anvil]

Infinite chief design 🔛 🔝

[frosty condor]

343 wanted an identity with their games and remaking his armor was one piece of the pie

[dull cave]

But I know it doesn't feel like master chief

[dull cave]

Yeah that was definitely a mistake, but the way the armor looked is chef's kiss. Should've just been multiplayer armor

[exotic vigil]

I wish 343 could have made a new game that wasnt halo it would have been cool to see what they really want to do

[dull cave]

Heck no

[small goblet]

Also we forgetting the armour is bigger than his body “the clipping incident”

[analog salmon]

I disliked halo 4 but I honestly don’t mind chief armour. I think if the other Spartans were closer to chief that art style would have went down better

[sullen anvil]

I kinda wish 343 had the legendary difficulty symbol embedded into their logo

[dull cave]

Ah yes that incident, but same could be said about Jorge's armor

[exotic vigil]

Chiefs armor is just badly proportioned

The design isnt the biggest issue just the size

[small goblet]

True but that armour works in game plus he’s actually a really beefy boi

[sullen anvil]

growing up is realizing that the H3 mp armor kinda looked goofy

[analog salmon]

Arguably it’s proportioned in a more practical way I guess?

[frosty condor]

As we all see in Infinite, his armor is just so damn beautiful with the love that 343 has for our hero

[exotic vigil]

Its the most aesthetically in line with the vibes of the game at the time

[sullen anvil]

Infinite chief is my favorite. The armor is one of the best and his personality is a mix between Halo 4 and the classic games

[dull cave]

The colored undersuits in halo 3 were disgusting and the way they were inspired in halo 4 were a lil better but I'd rather all black

[small goblet]

Yeah hate me but the yoroi armour is so goofy ah

[sullen anvil]

I can never make my yoroi armor core look good

[analog salmon]

Yah honestly nailed his look for me

[sullen anvil]

I have nothing for it lol

[small goblet]

It’s basically a big arrow saying “shoot this guy” lol

[sullen anvil]

Nah thats becoming my MK7 core lol

honestly im proud how hard my MK7 and MK5B core goes

[dull cave]

Would a Spartan ops idea for halo infinites firefight be a good idea?

[small goblet]

I’ve legit had skull games where people completely avoid me just to kill the guys in yorio

[shadow turret]

Kabuto is legit the only thing I want lol
But I never did that event since I didn't have Halo at the time
I don't even super care about shoulders and stuff lol

[dull cave]

Same 🥳

[sullen anvil]

personally I wished Infinites campaign co-op used the multiplayer spartans for players 2-4 and player 1 being chief

[small goblet]

The ai expansion for froge is basically for that

[dull cave]

That's what we had in halo 5 🌚

The lore would never explain the multiplayer Spartans in infinites campaign lmao

[sullen anvil]

not reallyyy? i think you got to control different members of fireteams

but you wernt your mp spartan

[dull cave]

Well yes but they were only there for co op

[sullen anvil]

yeah

[dull cave]

The Spartans don't really change the story of that game besides existing

[sullen anvil]

I will say H5 is a nice change of pace because im not completely alone every single mission lol

[lusty wraith]

Would love the ability to use any armor in campaign, even if you are Chief

[dull cave]

And having the worse team ai ever

[dull cave]

There's tons of mods out there and I've yet to see multiplayer Spartans in campaign 😦

[dull cave]

True I did enjoy that

[sullen anvil]

seriously H:CE was making me feel so isolated. I was so tired of being trapped all alone with the flood and covenant. When I finally saw marines I cried tears of joy that I finally found a friendly face

[small goblet]

I just want to drive an elephant

[lusty wraith]

There’ve been some, not sure if those mods still work with the latest changes

[dull cave]

Yeah, I was sad when I had to part with the npc Spartans in halo 4

[sullen anvil]

true elephants gotta come back. Infinite BTB needs some love

[dull cave]

Would be amazing if it did tho

[shell wing]

we would need a bigger map tbh

none of the current btb maps would work with the elephant

[dull cave]

I wanna drive the Mammoth

[small goblet]

Yes like honestly by now I legit thought we would have bigger battles

[shell wing]

they barely work with the Scorpion and Wraith

[sullen anvil]

bro scarr is so bad 😭

[small goblet]

Pelicans and that but no I was a dumb kid

[exotic vigil]

Not that anyone ever gets to use those vehicles

[shell wing]

Exactly

[sullen anvil]

the average BTB match literally sends me through the 5 stages of grief

[small goblet]

Did you get pushed off?

[shell wing]

I really really

[dull cave]

?

[shell wing]

don't know how to feel about infection

[sullen anvil]

no its just that its so uncomfortably tight and small and there is no room for vehicle plays. I was the one shoving people off

[exotic vigil]

Not bad but not good

Thats infection

[sullen anvil]

gotta take my anger out on some people somehow

[dull cave]

Infinites Infection is okay, halo 4s infection was certainly 💯💯

[shell wing]

they tried reinventing the wheel again

[exotic vigil]

No

[small goblet]

lol same I camp the hammer to just push them off my favourite map so far

[shell wing]

Reach had a good infection tbh

[dull cave]

I personally loved it

And making the flood the infected was a good idea

[shell wing]

not a big fan of the alpha zombies being invisible

[exotic vigil]

Infection needs to be a bed for customs and 4 was definitely not that

[sullen anvil]

I just want infinite to have successor maps like Valhalla, Sidewinder, BloodGulch, Sandtrap, that big cave map from H2, etc

[shell wing]

they tried that back in uhhh Reach

[lusty wraith]

Reach’s is my personal favorite. Mainly because Jeff was at his peak and Reach’s medals were beautiful

[shell wing]

with the Ghost Zombie gamemode that never returned in MCC

[small goblet]

I mean I have no problem with infection it’s fun fast paced the current maps have variety

[lusty wraith]

Not a fan of 4/2A/Infinite’s announcer delivery for the most part

[exotic vigil]

Because everyone hated it

[shell wing]

Mhmmm

[dull cave]

The game mode itself was great tho, but yeah you're right

[shell wing]

invis zombies aren't fun

[tepid latch]

I would love to see a Valhalla remake using dev tools honeslty, ik they're pretty much done with remaking maps outside of forge, but its just a fun h3 classic

[sullen anvil]

bro can they please put minislayer back in MCC

[exotic vigil]

It was funny watching nobody ever vote zombie ghosts back in the day

[dull cave]

Been on that fat kid journey in h4 and it's 💯

[small goblet]

Infinites one is still broken she says the wrong lines

[shell wing]

i think giving the alpha's a grapple shot would have been pog

[lusty wraith]

I think it’s always in rotation in action sack for H4 but it’s super rare to get

[dull cave]

It's only fun when you're the invisible zombie 🌚

[shell wing]

Ngl. . .

[dull cave]

Bruh said pog in 2023

[exotic vigil]

Maybe if they were invis until the first two kills

[lusty wraith]

H4’s ninja assassins is probably among the most fun modes in MCC

[small goblet]

Wait do you guys struggle killing invisible people

[shell wing]

no\

just not a fan of it tbh

[dull cave]

They should be invisible for 10 secs after respawn

[exotic vigil]

Something limited yeah

[analog salmon]

Pog

[shell wing]

Pog

[dull cave]

Pogpaper

[lusty wraith]

Crouching invis zombies has been a thing in a decent amount of infection variants throughout the years

[exotic vigil]

Especially with limited ammo and equipment perma invis is a lot

[shell wing]

such as?

[dull cave]

Yeah

[shell wing]

Ghost zombies was not a good mode

[dull cave]

Certainly not the best move but I did see custom games make it better

[small goblet]

But most the time they aren’t invisible because otherwise they are just a crouching target

[analog salmon]

I think there was a reach infection variant in matchmaking with limited camo zombies?

[exotic vigil]

The worst thing reach did to infection

[shell wing]

since?

[shell wing]

that was Ghost zombies and it was awful

[small goblet]

Poltergeist

[lusty wraith]

Distinctly remember this in custom edition infection CGB

[dull cave]

infection. new zombie ♥️

[analog salmon]

Off topic but ghost busters on ghost town in halo 3 was so much fun

[shell wing]

I mean that was a mod yeah?

Infection didn't start till Halo 2

[small goblet]

And reach loved both

[shell wing]

iirc

[dull cave]

Heck that was a blast

[lusty wraith]

Not exactly, you could play it without using mods, was moreso server scripts on PC

[shell wing]

I don't think bungo or 343 were involved with that

[lusty wraith]

Yea on xbox

[dull cave]

Am I weird for replaying halo 4's campaign more than any other campaign in the franchise

[lusty wraith]

I wasn’t saying that it was official

[shell wing]

most infection game modes in matchmaking didn't have invis zombies

[small goblet]

More than reach or odst?

[shell wing]

ah ye i was talking about official stuff

[dull cave]

Yes

I just weirdly loved h4 campaign

[small goblet]

Yes you are very wierd

[dull cave]

Yeah I was expecting that lmao

[shell wing]

I have my issues with Halo 4's campaign but i don't judge

[dull cave]

Tons of customs did

[small goblet]

But I definitely played 4 more than most of them

[exotic vigil]

I do judge

[shell wing]

customs did matchmaking didn't

[dull cave]

The grunt and jackal art style is bad but besides that it's great

[lusty wraith]

My best friend loves H4 campaign but I hate it, we fight about it but it’s for fun lmao

[dull cave]

The story is amazing as well

[shell wing]

My girlfriend and I are huge Reach fans

[small goblet]

Lol

[shell wing]

Halo 4's story is like

[dull cave]

Is she real

[exotic vigil]

You have been really cool so I am not going to trash halo 4 out of respect

[small goblet]

I read that as something else 😂🤣

[shell wing]

half written by one person then written by other people for the other half

[dull cave]

Lmaoo

[shell wing]

I do think like

[dull cave]

Go ahead of u want

[analog salmon]

I feel this haha

[dull cave]

I can appreciate trashing h5

[shell wing]

they could have fixed the issues with the promethians

[exotic vigil]

That was literally what happened

[shell wing]

they're not fun?

[shell wing]

ye ik

[dull cave]

Omg the knights are just 😔😔

[shell wing]

Kiki wrote the first half then other writers wrote the other half iirc

[analog salmon]

I just don’t like 4’s gameplay in campaign or Mp. I don’t blame 343 for trying new things but I do think especially the pve needed more polish

[shell wing]

I personally

Think the QTEs were a bit icky

[small goblet]

Needed some elbo grease and a rolled up sleeve

[shell wing]

esp the diadact one

[exotic vigil]

Gameplay I can almost get past but I just adore the humans are forerunner twist of 3 and 4 solidifying the change will always upset me

[dull cave]

I can agree the multiplayer is trash, but the campaign and gameplay aren't that bad. My only issue in gameplay is the promethean knights

[shell wing]

i would have rather had a crappy shooting the boss 3 times with a laser

[dull cave]

Lmaooo

[analog salmon]

I also don’t think the story is anything amazing. 4&5 both have passable stories for me. So I kinda think 4 is overpraised and 5 is overhated lol

[shell wing]

I think 5 had like

[dull cave]

I've played almost every game before halo 4 and I just have a weird attraction to halo 4

[shell wing]

they should have written Blue Team better

and not character assassinated buck

[dull cave]

Nah screw that fire team Osiris needs more character development

[analog salmon]

Playing 4 with bandana is alright tbh. I enjoy 4 and 5 but 4 I need bandana

[dull cave]

Who is tanaka 💀

[exotic vigil]

We dont say that name

[dull cave]

Lmao

[small goblet]

Ngl 5 bored the hell out of me once I finished the campaign I played one Mp game and never touched it agine

[shell wing]

we really don't know who the other two are

Locke we are kinda familiar with Buck we know

[dull cave]

It would've passed as a firefight game mode like halo 4 Spartan ops lol

[shell wing]

^

[small goblet]

That’s how it felt

[exotic vigil]

I hate to say it but vale was just a spartan nerd emoji

[dull cave]

haha

[analog salmon]

Do you replay halo games much in general? I feel like 5 has decent replayability other then the boring boss fights ig

[shell wing]

Vale and Tanaka were like

[dull cave]

Vale looks like she could be ended with one bullet to the stomach

No front protection

[shell wing]

"literally who?"

[exotic vigil]

Were it so easy

[analog salmon]

I have only replayed 5 once but I’m tempted to play it again

[small goblet]

I’ve played ever single game multiple times 5 i just can’t look at

[shell wing]

ngl

[analog salmon]

Ouch lol

[dull cave]

I just can't with halo 5

[exotic vigil]

I dont think 4 or 5 were play tested on legendary

[shell wing]

I want them to do ODST 2 or smth

[dull cave]

Yeah especially halo 4

[shell wing]

or just something with Alpha 9

[analog salmon]

I actually thinking if nothing else you should play 5 to look at the pretty environments and settings haha

[dull cave]

I had tons of fun playing halo 4 on normal and heroic but legendary is a different story

[small goblet]

It would be nice to get a game from the marines perspective

[exotic vigil]

I hope if they do they retcon that odst book

[analog salmon]

Yah it scales up poorly

[shell wing]

I just. . . don't. . .

[small goblet]

100% as a community we need to burn all copies

[shell wing]

like that it's a "spartan story" now

[analog salmon]

bandana helps though

[shell wing]

it's a humanity story about humans defying the odds

[analog salmon]

A big gripe I have with 4 is just how scarce the precision ammo is

[dull cave]

In basically every halo game you're a Spartan that's quiet, really good at their job, and doesn't show their face. Doesn't work with marines

[shell wing]

we had ODST?

[dull cave]

Well yes that too

[small goblet]

ODST?

[shell wing]

we weren't the rookie the whole time

[exotic vigil]

I dont think odst was very good at giving us a new perspective

[dull cave]

I forgoy

[shell wing]

took you outta the suit

[analog salmon]

How could u forget odst exists 😭

[exotic vigil]

You are a spartan in all aspects of gameplay that matter

[analog salmon]

True

[shell wing]

but like they should have made it a bit

[dull cave]

Well it might work but I'm not sure how people will feel about a marine

[shell wing]

they were supposed to have a leaning mechanic in ODST

[analog salmon]

They said they wanted to change it more tbf but time constraints

[shell wing]

where you could lean out of doorways

[dull cave]

What if arbiter has a game of his own

[exotic vigil]

Rushing to get out of their contract lol

[small goblet]

Also can we not forget the zoo map in odst where the guy is hallucinating because of the stress of war

[analog salmon]

Imagine Microsoft gave bungie 1 more year for odst. Reach got delayed a year, 4 was Xbox one launch title…

[exotic vigil]

4 should have been

[dull cave]

Rushed the two games but still came out with a banger compared to halo 5

[exotic vigil]

Reach was definitely bungies final gift to the fans

[dull cave]

Fr

[shell wing]

we had a few of those

the guy in floodgate in halo 3

[exotic vigil]

Its all about casual community play

[dull cave]

Bungie has just gone to trash lately

[exotic vigil]

Most studios have

[shell wing]

most have

it's a lot of devs being out of touch

[exotic vigil]

The guy in new alexandria in the bugger hive

[small goblet]

I just like those small details that show that yes there all human they do break down

[dull cave]

Bungie somehow created arguably the best games ever and then can't recreate their storytelling magic with destiny

[shell wing]

well

[analog salmon]

Ngl this is one of the few times in this channel a conversation about multiple halo games hasn’t gone toxic. I commend u all

[shell wing]

games went from passion projects

[exotic vigil]

The lore for destiny reminds me of old halo lore a lot

[shell wing]

to money makers

[dull cave]

That's common?

[analog salmon]

Yah lol

[dull cave]

I joined today so I don't know lol

[analog salmon]

Especially with this many people

[dull cave]

Lmao

[shell wing]

devs and studio's want money these days games used to be a HUGE just passion project

[small goblet]

I always try to keep it civil

[exotic vigil]

You have been the most reasonable civil halo 4 enjoyer I have ever met

[shell wing]

^

tbh yea

[dull cave]

That's weird to hear lmao

[exotic vigil]

Not trying to gaslight people into enjoying it too is somehow breaking the trend

[shell wing]

most people when you say halo 4 isn't good or your favourite

get mad and say "3 and reach are garbage"

[dull cave]

Aw nah

Nobody can disrespect reach like that

[small goblet]

Reach is just a copy of odst story but with Spartans

[shell wing]

Reach was my favourite

honestly

[dull cave]

It was definitely better

[shell wing]

Reach's art style is peak halo to me

[small goblet]

I love a little chaos

[shell wing]

that gritty "realistic look"

[dull cave]

Feel like infinites art style is the upgrade

[exotic vigil]

Hot take but Reach has the best forge

[small goblet]

Had*

[shell wing]

in some ways yes in others no

[exotic vigil]

I think almost anyone can figure it out and make a map that looks good

[shell wing]

that's a hot take?

[exotic vigil]

The new ones are more like dev tools than player features

[shell wing]

i think that's a well agreed upon take

[dull cave]

Oooh yes, I was disappointed after buying halo 4 and playing multiplayer just to see everything look like plastic lmao

[small goblet]

Kids these days will never know the struggle of getting two wall piece’s aligned

[shell wing]

Lotta bloom too

[exotic vigil]

Halo 4s lighting is a big issue

[shell wing]

I played a halo 4 mod that adjusted the lighting to be like Reach

[dull cave]

I heard the lighting is different in mcc than legacy

[shell wing]

and honestly

[exotic vigil]

The elites arent actually all dark blue and purple but you wouldnt know from looking at them in game

[shell wing]

mix in a classic sounds mod i had and it was passable

[dull cave]

Everything in reach was dark I don't know how that would work

[shell wing]

one thing I would love infinite

weapon soundpacks

[dull cave]

Maybe you'd mix in the old chief mod

[exotic vigil]

I wish the dark areas of reach were darker so the night vision could be useful

[shell wing]

^

[analog salmon]

I think the screeching BR is probs my biggest halo 4 sound issue lol

[shell wing]

I do wonder why 343 pivoted away from the classic sounds in halo

[dull cave]

Lmaoo

So glad they got rid of it in 5

[small goblet]

They wanted to be cool

[shell wing]

brought back a really well mixed version of them in H2A

[exotic vigil]

Just play campaign you never even see the br or ammo to fire it problem solved

[dull cave]

Lmao true

[shell wing]

they could have spent less money on those and further sound effect mixed

[analog salmon]

Bandana and only use DMR and carbine 😎

[shell wing]

brbgame started

[dull cave]

You only find the br in that one level at the start really

And the mammoth

[analog salmon]

Problem is the legendary slayer mode in MP is fun but the dang BR noise man

[small goblet]

Tbh I don’t even remember the br In 4

[dull cave]

Hahaha

[exotic vigil]

Its just so rare to have any unsc weapon in campaign

[shell wing]

I think like

[dull cave]

Honestly

I use the light rifle for 60% of the campaign

[shell wing]

the Real gun sounds in Halo was odd rather than the recognizable sounds?

[small goblet]

Same and Mp

[shell wing]

I honestly can't tell what gun is firing in infinite

[exotic vigil]

Thats what I remember lol

[small goblet]

Also when we getting the jet pack back

[exotic vigil]

The issue with using real gun sounds is that most real guns sound pretty much the same

[dull cave]

We got a grappling hook

[shell wing]

exactly

[dull cave]

No need for jetpack

[small goblet]

Not as fun tho

[shell wing]

the old sounds were recocnizable

you heard a sniper you ducked

[dull cave]

Eh maybe

[dull cave]

Yeah I was not really a fan of the h2a re imagined sniper sound

[small goblet]

Like I want to be able to fly around the edge of a map and flank or something you know

[dull cave]

Oh yeah... Gotta wait til season 16 🌚

[small goblet]

🌚

[shell wing]

infinites sounds a a little same-y

[dull cave]

Yeah definitely better than their previous work

Halo 4 sniper rifle sounded like their br 💀

[small goblet]

I mean how do you make a gun sound unique you know although it does make the power weapons feel more unique

[dull cave]

I'm always gonna miss the old sound though and I wish I could mod it into infinite

[dull cave]

Hmmm

How did they make the skewer sound

[small goblet]

Like a knife luncher

[dull cave]

Yea

[small goblet]

I don’t know I have sensitive hearing and they seem good to me in infinite

[wide trout]

“classic”? You mean the crappy stock sound effects that Bungie had to pay an enormous licensing fee for?

[shell wing]

erxactly

[analog salmon]

The only sound in infinite that bothers me is the chopper

It sounds too similar to a hog

I feel like they should sound distinctly different

Maybe it’s just cause you don’t see the chopper much and I will eventually be able to distinguish them but idk

[wide trout]

not entirely inclined to disagree on that bit

the chopper is a bit underwhelming

[shell wing]

after awhile the stock sounds stopped being stock sounds and became the "Halo sounds"

[wide trout]

No, I still recognize those sounds in movies all the time lmao

[shell wing]

you heard that stock Spas-12 sound your brain went "Halo Shotgun"

[wide trout]

Also, again, it costs a lot of money to license those sounds versus making your own

[wide trout]

No I thought of Half Life 2

lol

[analog salmon]

I’m sorry but the halo 3 AR didn’t sound good it’s all nostalgia 😄

[crystal iron]

The chopper sucks

[exotic vigil]

Real

[crystal iron]

Like in terms of handling

The ramming is pretty fun

[exotic vigil]

It flips really easy

[shell wing]

the halo 3 AR nah

[wide trout]

true

[shell wing]

but the Reach AR?

[wide trout]

try ramming a wraith with it

[shell wing]

had a punchiness to it

[wide trout]

you’ll disagree with that point pretty soon

[crystal iron]

You don’t kill it in one hit though

[shell wing]

the colision in infinite is wack tbh

[crystal iron]

Plus it’s probably safer to just grapplejack

[shell wing]

a ghost taps you and you die instantly

[exotic vigil]

The ghost is the best vehicle in infinite

[crystal iron]

The chopper wouldn’t be total dogwater if it could drift like the warthog using left trigger

[shell wing]

which is wild to me

[wide trout]

ever played Halo CE?

[shell wing]

yes? but also

[small goblet]

Not if I’m in your game

[shell wing]

game from 22 years ago

[crystal iron]

Yeah the ghost is actually good in this game both in handling and damage

[exotic vigil]

Its the only thing fast enough to dodge all 50 anti vehicle weapons

[shell wing]

CE had a lot of jank and that was the beauty of it

[exotic vigil]

And the only thing small enough to be useful on the tiny lane maps

[shell wing]

after the boost got introduced a ghost tapping you without boosting probably wouldn't kill you

[small goblet]

Not unless the game decides eh it touched him

Also anyone else noticed how you can die mid air when jumping over a ghost

[shell wing]

yes

also part of infinite's wack colision

probably why player colision is off might break the game tbh

[small goblet]

But if you shoot at it the collision is perfect makes no sense

[shell wing]

the physical colision seems off tbh

[exotic vigil]

If you play customs with it on it barely works and causes issues

[shell wing]

the servers seems to have a lot of issues to

[shell wing]

I thought so tbh

the game is like kinda held together with spaghetti

the tech debt infinite suffers from with all the contractors tbh

[exotic vigil]

Yeah its such a shame the game didnt have a more clear vision or smooth development

[small goblet]

The latency is super annoying you’ll just randomly get shot through a wall

[exotic vigil]

Or you die to a sword after a really safe bulltrue

[shell wing]

or

[small goblet]

Exactly or you evade behind a hammer and still die

[shell wing]

you die and get a mangler kill from the grave 5 seconds after you shoot the guy

[small goblet]

Or you melee that person from the grave

[shell wing]

yeah

the servers are still really rough almost 2 years later

[exotic vigil]

Or you melee and dont get the melee

[small goblet]

They fixed it last season

It’s with this update it’s worse again

[exotic vigil]

The update about melee kills lol

[shell wing]

i've more less sorta accepted infinite for what it is

and hope next halo game they can pull something better off

[exotic vigil]

I hope halo takes a break for like 10 years

[shell wing]

or whoever does it bc microsoft said "other studio's may get involved"

[exotic vigil]

Hate to see it but over 10 years so

Cant blame them i guess

[shell wing]

11 years now

of mid games and horrific launches

[small goblet]

I hope we get more studios it would be nice to see spin off games and a much bigger halo wars

[shell wing]

I think their least problematic launch was Halo 4 actually

then just rough launches after

[exotic vigil]

At least it isnt just them its all studios

[shell wing]

most big IPs these days have fallen off

[small goblet]

Sadly yeah

[exotic vigil]

No more drive or passion

[shell wing]

and have some nostaliga baiting issues while innovating things that don't need to be innovated

[small goblet]

You know things are bad when Bethesda have all the hype

[shell wing]

ngl

i think starfield might be mid

glad i don't have to pay for it tbh

[small goblet]

I can’t say anything until I see evidence

[exotic vigil]

I think it will have too many systems to keep track of

[shell wing]

gamepass baby

i just like

what has bethesda done for the last 11 years?

[exotic vigil]

Skyrim

[shell wing]

release skyrim 7 times

fallout 4 and fallout 76

[exotic vigil]

Its honestly impressive

[small goblet]

£1 for 3 months for new members plus over 200+ games

[shell wing]

Fallout 4 was the last game they released

F76 isn't a game tbh

[small goblet]

It’s much better now

[shell wing]

kinda like a predatory microtransactions DLC for fallout 4

[small goblet]

At launch it was literally a tech demo

[shell wing]

so I've heard my GF was telling me fallout 76 is actually good now

but like

with how things have gone

ESPECIALLY after Redfall

I am very warey of bethesda

[small goblet]

We don’t talk about redfall

[shell wing]

I just hope xbox can get some Ws

been a lot of Ls

and Matt and Phil kinda just went "it is what it is"

[small goblet]

O they know they need Ws because anymore losses is just gonna ground Xbox

[shell wing]

they already have a very defeatist mentality about it

saying "xbox isn't really even a contender in the console wars"

sounds like they're just kinda giving up

[small goblet]

It is what it is lol if they lose money it’s on them

[shell wing]

they need like hooks ig?

they were banking on the blizz-act deal

so they could get that big ol COD, overwatch (dead game tho) and WOW money

but personally i wou,ldn't touch Blizzard activision with a 30ft pole

they're a PR nightmare

[small goblet]

Xbox just don’t understand games anymore there a hardware company at best

[shell wing]

Mhm. . .

they need more passionate employees

and less shareholder pressure

games take time and you can't just released bad and unfinished games and expect people to be happy

[small goblet]

Yeah and they need to make some new games something that’s not been done before

[lofty mist]

with MS being as big of a company as it is there will always be shareholder pressure

[shell wing]

that is true

but what baffles me with infinite

is Halo is supposed to be THE flagship title

rushed, unfinished still having issues 2 years later

they have so many other studio's they could have asked to help rather than rely on contractors

if they wanted infinite to be the game that shot halo back to the forefront of FPS games

[small goblet]

It’s like there only hire contractors rather people who actually are passionate about the game

[shell wing]

plus

my brother is a software engineer

and he said "6 months is barely enough time to understand the tools"

ngl

I'm so so so so so glad

[small goblet]

I mean it takes at least a year to learn the code let alone the tools

[shell wing]

they scrapped the hero shooter idea from halo infinite tbh\

[small goblet]

Agreed

[shell wing]

they are kinda trend chasing but they seem to be hitting the trends too late

if they do a halo BR at somepoint the trend is long past

[lofty mist]

Bless the MCC team, their shoulders are jacked from carrying the weight of the franchise rn

[shell wing]

it's all about Extraction shooters now

[small goblet]

The problem is people don’t want trending they want new and improved

[small goblet]

They deserve a pay rise

[shell wing]

I still wish the MCC team was able to give BIG updates and do seasons still

new cosmetics and maps

especially for reach halo 3 got most of the love I was kinda hoping we would get like MCC season 10 with reach cosmetics and maps

[small goblet]

Because “343 are the main focus” yea ok looks like it

I’m pretty sure 343 is just a front at this point lol

[shell wing]

I'm very glad the halo community as divided as it is

came together when they debated on adding microtransactions to MCC

and everyone was just like "absolutely not"

[small goblet]

Exclusive and micro transactions will be the death of gaming

[shell wing]

I think

Exclusives are healthy

it gives incentive to go to a console

Microtransactions are very predatory

[small goblet]

O I mean like exclusive content for a game

[shell wing]

especially when they start to cost more than the game

[small goblet]

So like buy said thing to get this thing or watch our thing to get this one thing

Rather than let players earn it and feel accomplished

[ruby knoll]

Oh God is it the uninformed nonsense hour

[wanton root]

I feel very accomplished playing nothing but grifball 24/7

[lofty mist]

I think 343 should rebrand themselves for the next Halo... otherwise people may look at 343 on the box and probably say "yeah, I'll pass."

[shell wing]

^

[lofty mist]

Which sucks because I love all three of their Halos

[small goblet]

Pretty much

[shell wing]

Hmmm?

The price of games is also sorta killing gaming too tbh. .

[ruby knoll]

Meanwhile, Age of Empires 3 Definitive Edition got a tiny amount of mtx and continues to get regular frequent updates.

The latest MCC update is nice, but i can't imagine that Microsoft is going to help make it easy for more updates to come out in any reasonable amount of time without a good incentive to do so

[shell wing]

Mhm i agree

[ruby knoll]

This isn't some universal rule

[shell wing]

It's not but being thrown into tools you are unfamiliar with

[wanton root]

the mtx they debated adding to mcc genuinely wouldn't affect much, literally paying for things you can already get for free from playing the game

[shell wing]

Doesn't take a day to learn

[ruby knoll]

How long it takes to get up to speed is extremely dependent on the specific task

[shell wing]

But i mean also

You might not have passion for it as a contractor

[ruby knoll]

It can

I would know. First time in tech and some stuff i picked up in a week

[shell wing]

It's a job

You do it for 6 months and are onto the next

[ruby knoll]

Also far from some universal truth

[ruby knoll]

You mean 18 months

[shell wing]

Key word MIGHT

You are missing a lot of things i said tbh

You are looking at what i said as black and white

I have used ambiguous terms

Like might and can

[lofty mist]

Maybe rename themselves to "The Ark" to tie in-universe connection to the foundry that creates Halos :3

[ruby knoll]

Many ideas get brought up during development and there's no actual evidence this was seriously considered btw

Anyways FTEs can be equally dispassionate about what they work on

[shell wing]

The hero shooter idea was considered

[small goblet]

That’s the problem it’s not just a specific task there hiring people to fix someone else work

Well I missed a lot lol

[shell wing]

Previous management was like that

[ruby knoll]

Lmao the ol' "previous management"

[shell wing]

Can you like chill

[ruby knoll]

They had both FTEs and contractors

[lofty mist]

glad they came to their senses with that one

[shell wing]

We were having a conversation lmao

[small goblet]

And?

[ruby knoll]

...many things are considered

Some don't make it past extremely primitive stages

[ruby knoll]

...and a lot of development is working on "someone else's code"

[shell wing]

This what you were talking about?

[ruby knoll]

Like

That's a good chunk of what my code related work is

[analog salmon]

I’m not gonna read the chat I’m having a good morning so far 😄

[small goblet]

Right so if someone give you spegget code and by the time you even find where to start your contract runs out what happens then

[shell wing]

We were having a conversation can you please just like chill and not like go full reddit explain things?

[ruby knoll]

Then you probably suck at your job if you can't figure things out within 18 months

[shell wing]

After going "oh lord the uninformed nonense speakers again"

[ruby knoll]

Going full Reddit would be regurgitating the same moronic tripe that's been dribbled out for the past however long

Also it's a public channel

[shell wing]

🤓 "well actually"

[small goblet]

Ist that just an excess as well and given how incompetent some of the leads have been

There’s so much that goes into how well someone does there job

[shell wing]

Most of what we were talking about was how bad the state of gaming is currently

[ruby knoll]

What are you trying to say here

[shell wing]

It's really bad

[ruby knoll]

Nothing is new under the sun

[shell wing]

🤷‍♂️

[ruby knoll]

Quarter munchers, buggy releases, etc

[small goblet]

So…. Your point

[shell wing]

Then why come in and try to debate and argue when there is nothing to?

[small goblet]

Exactly and be passive agressive for no reason

[shell wing]

^

[ruby knoll]

My point is that development is far more nuanced than "contractor 6 month spaghetti code buzzword engine"

[shell wing]

maybe go have your morning coffee and come back

[small goblet]

But that’s what ex employees have said not us

[shell wing]

^

The game is structured on Spaghetti and messy development

With technical debt

[small goblet]

Just going off what the genral census is really

[ruby knoll]

Buzzword buzzword

[shell wing]

🤷

[small goblet]

Well there goes the credibility anyway moving on

[shell wing]

Getting mad over buzzwords is very twitter tbh

[small goblet]

Do we know why cutscenes got cut

[ruby knoll]

Resource reallocation

[wanton root]

funny number goes up

[shell wing]

Reallocation to what though?

Because they laid off a lot of people

[ruby knoll]

Who knows

[small goblet]

And are asking for hires according to the website

[ruby knoll]

I'm not going to speculate without more information

[small goblet]

That’s fair

[ruby knoll]

https://jobs.careers.microsoft.com/global/en/search?q=343 industries&l=en_us&pg=1&pgSz=20&o=Relevance&flt=true

[shell wing]

Well we do know they had a mass lay off

That woukd definitely cause them to cut things like cutscenes

The season cutscenes were also just kinda there because that's what Fortnite does tbh

Another example of Trend following

[small goblet]

It does help a lot with the story tho

[ruby knoll]

Where did fortnite come into this

[shell wing]

Did MP really need a story though?

[small goblet]

I had to ask Iratus about what even happened on the training facility

[wanton root]

didn't but it's a really nice addition

and no, mp story isn't "following trends"

[shell wing]

I've never really sorta cared too too much for multiplayer story myself but that's my own opinion

[small goblet]

It helps tie things together shows passion

[ruby knoll]

Having guns is chasing trends

[shell wing]

I can see those viewpoints

[wanton root]

lemme guess, you don't agree with them

[shell wing]

No i think you can build on it

[small goblet]

It’s like with redfall you can tell right away nobody on that project was passionate lol

[ruby knoll]

Anyways i saw the story from s1 to s3 as more of set dressing and a slow buildup

[shell wing]

The MP story cutscenes are great for those who like them but to me

[ruby knoll]

The issue was hat without pve of some kind the story was more or less trapped in the training facility

[shell wing]

I don't really need a lore reason so shoot another spartan in the head with a sniper rifle

And funny beam sword go ksch

[ruby knoll]

So the story had to work around that

[small goblet]

Which is ironic because the story is about Iratus stuck in the training facility

[ruby knoll]

The mp story thing isn't that every single match is canon. It's more of a set dressing thing.

[shell wing]

I will say the cutscenes and setting is fine

[near cloak]

Hello

[ruby knoll]

Though if the plan is to continue with pve, then it could get more involved

[small goblet]

Well yeah the matches are all simulators there not real just training

[shell wing]

It's better than what halo 4 did which was go "It's all a simulation 🙂 "

[small goblet]

That’s why you get the glitches and infection

[wanton root]

spartan ops wasn't a simulation

[quasi finch]

It’s still a thing

[ruby knoll]

I mean it's the same case in 5 and Infinite

[shell wing]

The general MP is though

[quasi finch]

It’s called war games

[small goblet]

Yeah Mp has always been a sim

[wanton root]

4 through infinite were all sims

[quasi finch]

It’s cool

[ruby knoll]

Mp matches are sims

But it's not like each match is canon. Just that it's the general setting for the matches

[quasi finch]

I like it

[shell wing]

I mean before halo 4

[small goblet]

How else do you test live fire in a safe environment

[shell wing]

There was no like

Lore reason?

[quasi finch]

Simulator

[shell wing]

Just a bunch of gamers shooting eachother

[wanton root]

yeah spartans need to train no?

[ruby knoll]

And people wanted a reason, hence wargames

[quasi finch]

Yes

[small goblet]

It’s more about realistic Mp how are Spartans running eachother over with tanks but not dying and how are flying around as a monitor

[shell wing]

I don't know if that was true that people "wanted one" no one really cared in 2012 tbh

[ruby knoll]

Spartan Ops is more of a situation where the individual levels are canon

[shell wing]

Everyone was just "oh i get to play MP and have fun"

[quasi finch]

It’s cool

It’s just a fun thing they did

[shell wing]

It is

Though it cost them some freedom doing that

[ruby knoll]

Where SpOps faltered was execution. Too many levels

[small goblet]

Yeah I like have Mp be training but then pve is you on a mission

[shell wing]

I was a huge fan of invasion myself back on the 360

[ruby knoll]

And probably hardware too

[shell wing]

Repetition too

[wanton root]

h5 wz was a sim

[small goblet]

I tried making one it’s not really possible without jank

[shell wing]

Spartan ops was kind of same-y kill these, hit button

[small goblet]

That’s what I said

[quasi finch]

I like that. Firefight with lore.

[shell wing]

Yeah i can imagine

[quasi finch]

Especially the cinematics they made

[ruby knoll]

Yeah. A more refined take on SpOps would be great

[quasi finch]

Especially with the whole mp story thing

Or at least what happened after infinity crashed

[small goblet]

Hopefully with the new ai update we get to see some cool takes on pve

[wanton root]

wz's pve, you said pve you on a mission

[quasi finch]

Or during all the audio logs

[ruby knoll]

Axis Studios or however the name is spelled did a great job on the cinematics for H4 and Infinite

[shell wing]

I think that would have been fun if it was executed properly

[wanton root]

what ai update?

[small goblet]

The one that adds ai to forge

[quasi finch]

Why’d they make halo infinite with worse graphics than halo 2 anniversary which is 7 years older

[wanton root]

no leaks here bud

[small goblet]

It’s not

They literally said it

[shell wing]

It's really too bad they didn't do something like spartan ops with the campaign team as some continuation for story rather than just canning the whole team

[quasi finch]

Halo wars 2 had better graphics than the stupid show

[wanton root]

that's what you meant huh

I get it

[shell wing]

I try to forget the show happened

[quasi finch]

The team still exists. Just the leader doesn’t anymore. Idr what happened all ik is he was replaced

[small goblet]

We don’t mention the show

[wanton root]

iirc crimson is at the academy

also miller is dead

[quasi finch]

Yeah

The guy with the soldier armor is i think

[shell wing]

I would have loved to see like

[quasi finch]

Is that miller?

The guy who was hitting on Palmer?

[shell wing]

Other stories in lil spartan ops like dlc

[small goblet]

I’d love to see anyone die on screen tbh

[quasi finch]

Fr

[shell wing]

They need to stop killing characters off screen tbh

Very less impactful

[small goblet]

It’s like writing rule 1 you must show the death otherwise people think your gonna bring them back noble 6 case and point

[shell wing]

The diadact dying in a book

The rookie dying in a book

I would imagine

Most people don't end up reading the books

[quasi finch]

If they had halo odst 2 and showed how the rookie died that would’ve been sadder than the end of halo reach imo even tho it wasn’t a very epic death

[wanton root]

they guy in charge of crimson during h4 spops, iirc he died in rubicon protocol, or was it some other guy

[shell wing]

Exactly

[quasi finch]

He died

[shell wing]

Especially a character who players have bonded to

[quasi finch]

He’s not on the team anymore at least

[shell wing]

Especially since that was OUR character in odst

[quasi finch]

Cause he was replaced by some lady and the guy in recruit armor is the leader now I think

I have a soft spot for ODSTs

[shell wing]

I'm sure a lot of players don't actually know that rookie died

[quasi finch]

Yeah

A lot of players prob also think noble six is in a cave

[small goblet]

I just don’t see it as canon it’s poor writing

[quasi finch]

Cause they haven’t been updated since halo reach

And they stopped playing at halo 4

[shell wing]

I thought the 6 being in a cave was purely a meme

[quasi finch]

Ye

[shell wing]

Sadly it is canon

[small goblet]

You know what I’m gonna get a write ing job at 343 just so I can retcon every book screw you lore nerds

[quasi finch]

Not everyone has to have an epic death tho

[shell wing]

There are several book related things that like

Most players don't know

[small goblet]

Don’t have to be epic just show us

[quasi finch]

The amount of books you need to read to understand halo 5 fully 💀

[shell wing]

Rookies death was more tragic than epic

But it would have been better to see it happen

And watch the effects it has on Alpha 9

[small goblet]

Like what’s the point haveing a game franchise if all the story is in books nobody reads

[shell wing]

Dutch's retirement, Mickey going insane

[quasi finch]

An open world halo ODST 2 game made by rockstar is my dream. Especially because they know the art of nothing very well and I’d like to sit in the rain listening to a sad saxophone play with a nice view.

[shell wing]

We never got to see the diadact die because that was in a book

Or chief and arbiter's reunion

[quasi finch]

Didn’t he unretire and become a spartan

And buck and Romeo got Mickey back after halo 5

[shell wing]

He retired adter becoming a spartan

[small goblet]

Or a game on reach after the glassing surviving on scraps and bodies everywhere you look

[shell wing]

All of Alpha 9 is back together except rookie

As of 2559

[quasi finch]

What was the time at the end of reach when Dr Halsey is talking and it shows ur helmet

[quasi finch]

Dare?

[shell wing]

She's still part of it

[small goblet]

I’m not sure

[shell wing]

Uhhh

[quasi finch]

I remember thinking it was so far away but i think it’s really close to the current time in infinite

[shell wing]

2589

30 years after inf

[quasi finch]

Will 343 ever bring elites back or better spartan bodies. At least make the armor change size for different body types cause I can hardly tell the difference between body type 1 and 3.

Canonically Spartans have bakeries iykwim

[small goblet]

Don’t forget the Spartan voice lines 🤣

[quasi finch]

Lol

[shell wing]

Oh

Other book thing i read online

That stupid lil ball is still alive

[quasi finch]

343?

[small goblet]

343?

[shell wing]

After we lasered him 3 times for killing johnson

Ye

[quasi finch]

I don’t like halo anymore

[shell wing]

Apparently he's still alive

And a "good guy" again

[small goblet]

Sure noble 6 being dead is a stretch but every single forerunner comeing back 1000 times that’s fine lol

[shell wing]

He's like in the body of a promethian soldier or smth

[quasi finch]

I was pissed enough with the didactic being alive

And Cortana dying so quickly

Not even seeing her die

[shell wing]

Y'know

[quasi finch]

Let alone the rookie

[shell wing]

Cortana blows up a planet and is then just GONE

[quasi finch]

Halo is no longer a story about humanity or the unsc. It’s just about master chief now.

[small goblet]

Don’t forget the fact that we never see atriox after halo wars 2 or anders

[quasi finch]

It never was about master chief until halo infinite.

[shell wing]

You see that's where i get a little bothered

[shell wing]

Halo 4 actually

[quasi finch]

Oh yeah and atriox is alive too 🤦‍♂️

[shell wing]

It was about chief and cortana then

[quasi finch]

No cause it was about Cortana and master chief and halo 5 was abt Osiris

But i guess it stopped being about humanity with halo 4

[small goblet]

Which I don’t mind atriox is definitely my favourite over all the other big bads

[shell wing]

But it became less about humanity defying the odds in the face of extinction

Reach to 3 was about humanity losing and defying odds to survive not just the spartans

But it has had that shift to a "spartan story"

[small goblet]

Yeah the lack of marines become more and more after 4

[shell wing]

Rather than a humanity story

Halo 5 had 0 marines

If you don't count the security guards

On the moon

[crystal iron]

Ok off question But would Captain America be able to wear MJolnir armor

[quasi finch]

I like seeing Spartans that you don’t get to play as in campaign tho

Like halo 4

[shell wing]

Ngl probably

[small goblet]

Yes but only if he can use the uplink

[shell wing]

It would be nice to see everyone though

[quasi finch]

Nah if he could civil war movie wouldn’t have happened. He’s too slow tbh.

[shell wing]

Elites, spartans, marines and ODSTs all together

[quasi finch]

They missed out big time not letting you play as blue team or your multiplayer spartan in infinite co op campaign

I get the effects wouldn’t be realistic

But they could just auto unequip the effects

[shell wing]

Nor is 4 chiefs though

That's where i praise halo 3

[quasi finch]

Ye

[quasi finch]

Yes and halo 5

[shell wing]

All 4 player characters are named and have lore

[crystal iron]

Bro I really would love the whole campaign cinematics with my MP Spartan.

Iv seen modders do it meanwhile all we get are those lame Round intros

[shell wing]

Chief, Arbiter and the 2 elites in halo 3

[crystal iron]

Hopefully the firefight PVE mode or what er they introduce gives us more dynamic intro cutscenes not these lame standing there and do some dumb air punch stuff

[quasi finch]

Yeah

[shell wing]

Funny by canon standards the entirety of halo 3 the two multiplayer elites were with chief and arbiter the whole time

[quasi finch]

I never liked the effects part of customization it always ticked me off

[small goblet]

I just want to be able to pilot a pelican then jump on the hill of it and crash it stright into a scorpion is that too much to ask

[quasi finch]

I also don’t like the cat ears but I stopped caring cause so many people use them. It would make more sense if it was an effect rather than a full fledged attachment. Kinda like the bunny ears effect.

I wouldn’t mind that at all

[quasi finch]

I just want a battlefield style PvE gamemode

With vehicles and more

[small goblet]

I mean it makes sense given the shap is actually what amplifies the sound waves

[quasi finch]

Kinda like arma 3 modded with halo mods

[quasi finch]

Yeah but we all know the military would never actually do that.

[small goblet]

You sure about that? Because bioengineering is a thing

[quasi finch]

Especially since it’s at the top of the helmet and it would mess up the audio by the time it reaches your ears

[quasi finch]

The chimera armor was a mistake as well

Just crisis armor

Imo

[small goblet]

I mean yeah

[quasi finch]

That was bioengineering

The armor attaches to the user

I believe it’s in the core description

[small goblet]

I mean the normal armour does too the chimera just feels like an over the top build

[quasi finch]

Yeah but the normal armor doesn’t fuse to the bone or whatever chimera does

[small goblet]

Exactly why would you fuse yourself to a suit

[quasi finch]

Idk

Become crisis

[small goblet]

If the armour has real applications I’m ok with it but sci-fi just for sci-fi is a bit ehhh

[quasi finch]

Yeah

One of the reasons I like halo over other sci fi like warmhammer is bc it’s grounded

Always had an explanation for everything

Till 343 came around

[small goblet]

Like think about it the cat ears have more of a use than armour that could potentially result in you becoming a cyborg

[quasi finch]

Yeah but also you stick out like a sore thumb. I guess that’s what the appeal was with fotus

But I actually like that armor

And it wasn’t used in combat. It was used for getting coffee in severe weather

I hope they redo that to fit mk vii

[small goblet]

Like I do like the little bits you can add too like salvage parts to add to your armour like in real life

The Mohawk for example

[quasi finch]

Rakshasa

Cool armor core

[small goblet]

Yeah that suit is so cool for it’s salvaged sets

[quasi finch]

Why r the hazmat helmets so dog

And all of the recent mk vii helmets

They’re terrible

[small goblet]

I like the chif helmet the rest are a bit bugish

[quasi finch]

Horrible terrible no good very bad disgusting vile foul abominations created by the foul homosapian offspring of the night that is 343

[small goblet]

Lol

[quasi finch]

Nah jk

Just bad helmets

[small goblet]

It’s mostly because there industrial they are just always gonna look ugly like the helmets with no visor

[quasi finch]

That one is kinda like gungnir

Just use cameras for seeing

[small goblet]

Sorry I mean all of them not one lol

[quasi finch]

Except mk vi

Anyways

I’m gonna go now

Fun talking with you Gn or Gm wherever you live

[small goblet]

Night friend right I best go too

Or morning lol

[serene bolt]

I mean the Hazmat helmets are supposed to be bulky.
Most of them are already existing stuff with Hazmat systems attached to the outside of them.

[fervent peak]

I like the hazmat core and armour but I’m not buying the battle pass for the stuff that actually looks half decent imo

[analog salmon]

I know the beam rifle and carbine are dearly missed by many but I really like the stalker

In both pve and pvp it just feels satisfying

Like the CE pistol only harder to use in close range and easier in long range

Would have been interesting if some of the encounters in the open world were more dynamic

There’s this squad that’s next to a crashed pelican

But if you actually saw the pelican crash and there was a few different places it could crash

Or maybe if some of the squads were already trying to retake fobs

[small goblet]

A lot of them where cut because you can find a nest of one of the cut creatures with dead marines around

[analog salmon]

Yeah feels like there’s a ton of potential for more replayablity

[zenith heart]

Bro why do I get 2 dudes that can't walk while shooting in a game of oddball where I'm 37/14/6 😭

Literally my best match ever and I get 2 mouthbreathers thats so cool

[short heart]

i love trueskill so fun

[zenith heart]

What's that? Is it like some sort of SBMM?

[short heart]

yeah but i don’t think it works properly

always gives me one or two useless teammates (4-13 in slayer)

[wraith willow]

went back to controller and it genuinely feels impossible to hipfire with some weapons

[undone sluice]

what game?

[wraith willow]

infinite

forgot that the channels aren't split up anymore

[undone sluice]

yeah infinite its pretty tricky on controller compared to previous games

even halo 3 is super easy compared to infinite sometimes I feel, such a large skill curve

[wraith willow]

guess all i gotta do is practice then

[undone sluice]

yeah I need to get practicing on infinite

I dropped the game hard during Season 2 until Season 4, played a bit over the past few weeks but I feel so bad at it now

[small goblet]

O I have no problem with controller is it really that hard

[small goblet]

Yeah you will always get one terrible player one ok and one pro

[analog salmon]

It’s just how fast players move

It’s still a good game for controller

[small goblet]

I must just be really good with a sniper

[analog salmon]

Infinite in general is not forgiving for controller or kbm

[small goblet]

I even got the flick down

[analog salmon]

But it has strongish magnetism for most weapons

If you’re good with the sniper you’re good at aiming

Cause infinites sniper has low magnetism

You pretty much have to have the reticle bang on target

[small goblet]

Damn i just thought it was aim assist

[analog salmon]

When you’re scoped there’s aim assist but it’s not like Reach, 4, 2A and 5 where you can miss and still get a hit

[small goblet]

That’s why it feels so precise

[analog salmon]

Yah it’s much more satisfying

Imo the sidekick has too strong magnetism ngl. I would increase the mag size but lower the magnetism. So it requires more skill to hit the headshot

Then do the opposite to the bandit so it has stronger magnetism

Maybe reduce SK bloom so it’s more consistent

[low musk]

I'm hoping eventually we get some more of the Gamepass Ultimate rewards. We still need Pass Tense on the Bandit, Bulldog, Wasp, and Scorpion to my recollection. I wonder if they abandoned the idea at this point

[analog salmon]

But man SK feels too much of an RNG weapon rn

[low musk]

Just the 2XP and Challenge Swaps make it worth it

[small goblet]

The season came out before the perks rest we might get them this month

[analog salmon]

The coating they did for the AR that was just the twitch one but with a bit of green was weird

[low musk]

That one was indeed weird

[small goblet]

It really was it’s like the one in the battlepass I think

[low musk]

Its a bit interesting that the Pass Tense coating looks better with the new AR skin compared to the Adrenal

[small goblet]

Never mind I was thinking of something else lol

Two very different camos

[analog salmon]

I just like the vivid green honestly. Vivid coatings have a clean look to them

[low musk]

That they do. I like the Adrenal coatings because they are sleek, but simple, but when I put the Adrenal on the AR new design, it has this weird marking on the middle part of the weapon, but when I put Pass Tense on it, its completely black and green, so I've stuck with that

[left snow]

@small goblet Best not to confuse ranking / TrueSkill2 with the Match Maker.

[small goblet]

I’m not there both trash lol not enough to pool from

[analog salmon]

Ranked is actually pretty balanced

So the system does work

I imagine if wait times weren’t so long as is, they wouldn’t match stacks against solos but that’s the only gripe I have really

Of course people peak and then complain they can’t rank up anymore

Even though their w/l is still 50:50

[wanton root]

I don't think I should be in d2 man, but gonna take what I can get

[small goblet]

I don’t know when I did try it i just kept getting that one guy who would just feed and run stright into the open

[wanton root]

have all but onyx's emblems

[thin elm]

It actually is rly well done tbh

[livid cobalt]

I still don't understand why people complain about master chief's armor in 4 and 5

[verbal lava]

in 4 it's nice

[livid cobalt]

Despite sympathizing with other art style complaints like the shotgun and the elites

[analog salmon]

To some extent people just don’t like radical change

Chiefs armour in infinite isn’t identical to 2/3 but it’s closer

[dull cave]

Halo 5's armor was straight up plastic armor, Halo 4 looked amazing though

[analog salmon]

Chiefs armour looked okay in 5 didn’t it?

[livid cobalt]

What do you think about H2A?

[dull cave]

Everything about h2a is great

[dull cave]

No, look at the 5 vs 4 comparison

The halo 5 armor looks more like plastic and the halo 4 armor looks like real armor if that's how imma say it

[livid cobalt]

Both for campaign and multiplayer?

[dull cave]

Yeah, the campaign is a huge upgrade compared to the normal H2 with the improved graphics and the creamy blur studios cutscenes, and the multiplayer is a better version of Halo 4

[analog salmon]

2AMP is not perfect but man it’s under appreciated

Will never understand people who bash 343 for straying too far from “classic halo” when 343 made a classic halo MP which probs would have got expanded if more people showed appreciation for it

[lusty wraith]

I have my nitpicks as an H2 enthusiast, but yea H2A is fantastic for the most part

Best looking Halo to this day imo

[lusty wraith]

It has many issues. You’re being unfair

Lighting busted, hitmarkers, H4 designs, audio issues

Vehicles aren’t parity with H2C, elites are ducking MASSIVE, it’s not fair to classic fans when you say “look they gave them what they wanted already” when H2A mp is what you’re talking about

[exotic vigil]

It was also on mcc

Which released less than perfect

[lusty wraith]

Also the MP music is frankly super lame, thankfully MCC has the option to disable in-game music separately from menu music

[grim citrus]

Because bungie didn’t make it.

[exotic vigil]

Because they dont like how it changed

Became really weirdly proportioned and big

[lusty wraith]

I freaking love armor changes, and I’d honestly love it for Chief to wear something OTHER than MkVI

[exotic vigil]

Not everyone that disagrees with you is a bungie fanboy like youre a 343 one

[visual forge]

Bot play still isn't back in mm 😭

[lusty wraith]

I know most people wouldn’t like it but if Chief wore MK7 armor in Infinite I’d be like

[visual forge]

I mean, he wears Gen 3 still. Is it that different?

[lusty wraith]

It’s different but it’s still an Mk6 variant

Hopefully after 343i sees how much people liked Mk7, we might see new armor for the MC someday

[analog salmon]

The technical issues would probs be fixed if people played it

And it’s obviously not meant to be Halo 2C with a coat of paint

It’s a classic style game regardless of the visual asthetic

[lusty wraith]

People got the impression that it was meant to be from the whole “exactly as it shipped” comment, even if that wasn’t the intention

[lusty wraith]

They’re not entitled to a population, if there are issues, people will drop the game

[analog salmon]

I don’t think that was said about the MP but if so that’s obviously misleading to the Halo 2 fans

[livid cobalt]

I'm guessing it got overshadowed with how broken MCC launched (the first time)

[lusty wraith]

They said it specifically about mp

[analog salmon]

But as far as a successor to Halo 3, 2AMP largely delivers on that

[livid cobalt]

H2A has the best visuals in any Halo game

Easily

[exotic vigil]

Easily

[lusty wraith]

Just gotta port Infinite elites in somehow and we got a perfect game visually

[analog salmon]

I find parts of 2AC a bit bland

I don’t think they did the best job at distinguishing Old and New Mombasa